'Jurassic World: Rebirth' Review, 'Jurassic' Rankings & 'The Odyssey' Trailer Reactions

Episode Rundown:

- Jurassic World: Rebirth Review

- Jurassic Rankings & Best Characters

- The Odyssey Trailer Reactions

Episode Transcript

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This is the Drive In podcast Take one.

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Howdy Judy. Welcome to episode 470 of TDI.
This is Doctor O on the Horn to start per usual and as always
I'm joined by my Co host, my best friend and undercover
paleontologist Ricky Flicks. How are you my friend?

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Are you ready to talk dinosaurs?I used to be a huge dinosaur
guy. Land Before Time was one of my
favorite movies growing up. Love seeing dinosaurs on the big
screen. So this has been something I've
been I've had circled for a while here.
All right, but as much as I lovedinosaurs, I think we might have
someone on the pod today that loves them even more.

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That is right. We have well, I would also say
Ricky, you say you're a big dinosaur guy in our family.
Big Mike, DC correspondent for the Driving podcast is the
biggest Dino head in our clan. But we do have an official
Jurassic Park correspondent withus to review this July 4th

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blockbuster, the highest grossing movie over a July 4th
weekend. Can we please welcome J Man to
the podcast? Thank you for joining us.
How are you my friend? I am great.
Big Dino guy. Big Dino guy.
Yeah. Got the mug from the from the

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movie. I got not, not one.
I got one popcorn bucket. Wow, this one, the TV the.
Whole lackluster. You fill it up in the back.
I thought it was gonna like, youfill it in like it's head, but
it's like A and we got the footprint.
Look how big this is. Wow.

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As a big popcorn bucket, if you could call it a bucket, so you.
Fill it in where the fossil is. Yeah, I just poured it in.
I didn't really know at first. I thought like where the logo
was here at the bottom it would like hold the like the bucket
but now it it was too loose. Did it fit a whole bucket?
Honestly, it did it. We actually had like a little

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bit, a little bit of like leftover popcorn on the side,
but it did good, did good. Wait, so when you get a popcorn
bucket, I know Ricky Flex, you have quite a number you so you
got this fossil and you've just had to hold it and then got
another bucket of popcorn. Yeah, it was not useful at all.

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It was, it was like wider than the seat.
So it honestly became a problem after we were done with it.
Didn't really know where to put it because if you like laid it
on your lap, it was over my lap.So it was like sneaking into my
like buddy's seat next to me. We tried to move it to like the
unaccompanied chair next to us fell over, landed on the

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gentleman sitting next to the unaccompanied seat.
So then that was a got butter onhim, but it's OK.
Three pieces. Three pieces of memorabilia.
So which means you probably saw this movie more than once this
past weekend. J Man, is that correct?
That I have seen it twice. I saw it opening night and then
went out with my girlfriend cuz she is a Jonathan Bailey fan but

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I did not complain. Who's going to tell her?
You're extra prepared, but. I.
You're actually prepared. I am also a Jonathan Bailey fan.
I I liked him in this movie a lot.
I thought he was the best performer in this movie.
I know we're going to get to it,but after Wicked, seeing him be
like this, I don't want to say macho, but a lot of charisma,

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almost like the cool kid in highschool that also has the nice
side to him in in, you know, Wicked.
And then he's also the nerd thatyou will believe is a nerd in
this. He's going to be in a lot of
blockbusters. You know, I I really think he's
a talented dude. And obviously we got to get the
Scarjo. Scarjo the highest grossing

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actor like I guess in the most profitable movies?
Isn't that what the stat was? Ricky Flex, do you have that
handy on you? I thought I was the highest
grossing actor just in movie history.
Which is weird because didn't she complain about something
with payment maybe for Black Widow?
It was so like it's like she wasn't getting paid enough for
that movie or because it was on streaming and she doesn't get

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any of that. Like that money on the back end
for the theater release and thenlike couple years later she's
the highest grossing actor of all time.
What a selfish mofo. And apparently, dude, behind the
scenes, she was like adamant that she wanted to be the lead
in this. Like she before, like she heard

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this movie was coming about and she was like, all right, my
agent, get me to be the lead in this movie.
Is it because she's a huge Jurassic Park fan maybe?
Or is it for the Doe? It's for the Dow, like there's
no what little girl grows up saying I want to be the star of
Jurassic Park. Like I like I like, I don't ever
imagine anyone saying that. But when you have a movie that

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can literally be like critic proof, it has a shield over
these movies. It could have a 10% on Rotten
Tomatoes and it's still making hundreds of millions of dollars,
let alone this movie clocking inat a 52% score on Rotten
Tomatoes. A 72% audience score Rakes in
over $300 million worldwide. I want to start a Jurassic Park

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movie. Ricky Flex, right?
Maybe we can get in there and, you know, maybe get fed a little
bit on the back end like Scarjo.She passed Samuel Jackson.
Samuel Jackson had this record forever.
You know, what does that tell you about Scarjo now?
Hey, this is someone that still was nominated for not one, but
two movies in the same year at the Oscars.

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She still has that juice, Centerof the capital, A list actors.
But it does tell me that she does care about the money maybe
a little bit more. And we thought maybe this was
going to be something different where, oh, we're going to see
something different from Jurassic World.
And no spoilers on the review here, but we did it.

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OK, let's just get to the reviewso we can get our Jurassic Park
correspondent in on this conversation.
So clocking in, like I said, 52%critics score on Rotten
Tomatoes, 72% on the Popcorn Meter.
IMDb 6.3 out of 10. And the synopsis reads five
years post Jurassic World Dominion, an expedition Braves

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isolated Equatorial regions to extract DNA from three massive
prehistoric creatures for a groundbreaking medical
breakthrough. So there's your synopsis.
J Man, you're leading off here. I want to know, do you think
this is an improvement from the last three Jurassic World
movies? I think they played the formula

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perfectly for like a first installment for a trilogy.
They did they they did all the hits, they did everything right.
I it's still no spoilers, so I don't know how a second one will
look. Who will be in the second one?
But overall, just like movie entertainment was it they ate,

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They nailed it in my opinion. OK, they nailed it in your
opinion, Ricky Flex. They nail it in your eyes.
Man, that's you know for someonethat's a huge Jurassic World fan
such as J man I love to hear that because that means they're
doing the fans justice, right? The true blue fans justice.
That's what matters right? For this huge franchise, 7

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movies in love to hear that for someone who has seen almost all
the movies. I was sold a different bill of
goods and I had my expectations a little altered.
You know, you get a Gareth Edwards, you have the name
rebirth, you have Marshall Ali, you have Scarlett Johansson, a
hot Jonathan Bailey coming up the scene here, Rupert Grinton.

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You have an All Star cast with an up and coming director.
I think we're going to get a rebirth of this franchise and I
think you used it in your soliloquy there.
J man, this was formulaic. This was the same thing.
This was no different. And that's fine because now we
know Jurassic World will always be this.
This was the confirmation. It doesn't matter who's a part

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of these movies, whether it's behind the scenes, the return of
David kept these movies will always be the same.
And now I'm already get I'm getting my juice is flowing
here. I didn't want to come with
violence, but I'm coming with violence.
This is now officially the in the Fast and Furious mode.
I think. It's in the Fast and Furious
mode. And I got, I, I, I see the

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reaction from J man. And I know Doc is lesser in the
fast and furious mode than me, but I, I, I don't know.
I just, I thought this is like their last stand here and that,
and now they didn't do anything different.
It's like, OK, now we know what we're gonna get.
It's good. They're gonna make a bunch of
money, but they're not gonna do anything for me.
They're not. It's, it's, it's just repeating
the same, you know it. They keep raking in dough like

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Fast and Furious, at least Fast and Furious.
They're leaning more and more tothe absurdity here.
It's like, I think they went a little bit absurd, but it's just
less caring about the script with each movie that they have.
And they know their bread and butter.
Jurassic World, Jurassic Park, it's the dinosaurs.
And it almost seems like this was the last gasp at maybe we
can recapture what we had in 93.Like you talked about Ricky

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Flex, we got Gareth Edwards. Is it his time?
You know, he's always a great visual director.
Never. The script never seems to come
together. It doesn't really come together
here in my opinion. But it also David Kepp did the
first Jurassic World, did the second Jurassic World.
And then you have multiple time Oscar winner third build in this
movie with Mahershala Ali. You have Scarjo here.

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There's not much you can ask more for in terms of pieces for
the movie, you know, But to me it does I, I guess, deliver on
what it needs to. That's what I'll say about this
movie. It delivers on the dinosaurs,
but I would say is pretty subparand pretty much every other
aspect of the movie. And I got to say those those

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dinosaur scenes, they kicked ass, dude.
They kicked ass. Like whether it is them at sea,
whether it's the final fight with the xenomorph dinosaur that
they hijacked from Alien, whether it's like the beautiful,
you know, Brachiosaurus that is with the beautiful Jurassic Park
theme. It's all the stuff with the

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dinosaurs I think is good CGI look good for the most part.
I would say that Brachiosaurus or a scene a little sketchy.
I will say that. But the acting I think is I
honestly not that great in this movie.
I think the script is God awful.But this is what I agree with
Ricky. They are fast and furious now
this is the last like I guess last breath, last gasp that they

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had to like say we could be taken seriously.
I don't think this that's just not who they are.
Like it's it's Jay, Ben, you gotto tell us like, are we like,
are you in agreement or are you like, are we overreacting?
Or the the script. The script is bad.
It is bad like the dialogue the the other family.
That's not like we haven't even mentioned any of them.
They didn't need to be in the movie.

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Not at all, because. It's just like from the first
one, like the first one hit so well with like Haman's, like
grandkids and like adding that like horror type element of like
you have to like protect the kids.
They don't need to do that for like almost the 4th 5th time now
it's just pointless. It's their shtick though.
It is, it is. But like like Doc was saying,

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like the dinosaur is hit, it's atitanosaur, not a brachiosaurus,
but biology of dinosaurs in college.
Just saying that's. Why?
You're the expert. Here, that's why you're the
expert. No, but you guys are right.
It it is lacking it, it clearly is a cash grab for both.
Like the top billed actors, likethey knew what they were getting

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into their they have a their name attached to like it's going
to be a millions of dollars. They're going to they're going
to make their cash. They're going to have fun doing
it. Film near the equator.
I don't know where they actuallyfilm, but that's pretty cool.
It was on set like it was not. It's not.
It's not like a huge green screen.
It's not like we're just on in LA where we're shooting like
that, that beautiful like that. The jungle scenes like that.

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They went on location, like shoot those scenes.
I, I, I, I don't know, Jay, man,I feel really bad.
I guess because we've had you, we're having you on big review.
The Fast and Furious comment is not OK.
There are no dinosaurs in space.They're not doing that yet.
Not yet, not yet, not yet. But it like the Fast and Furious

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doesn't have like that one Iconic.
I guess Fast 5's a great movie, but it's not nothing's Jurassic
Park which changes the sci-fi game.
You know, it feels like maybe wewould.
We were kind of chasing that, but this one just said Nope,
this is what you are this year. And I did want to talk about
something you tweeted, J man. And you were talking about how
figured. Out this documents.
This these are small, these are minor spoilers, but just like

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the marketability and what's it called the you know, the
Snickers popping up, you know, the Altoids that are popping up,
the family that feels like, you know, how a script they'll be
like the studio saying we need to include this, how we going to
do it? Let's just throw them in there.
That was the family in this movie where it's like we got to
have some type of kid incorporation here.

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And I was pretty not even lukewarm.
I hated when they first appearedabout 40 minutes into the movie.
Some of the performances, the Xavier character, the boyfriend
kind of grew on me throughout. The daughter who is a mute and
then starts to speak seems like kind of was like what they did
in Godzilla versus Kong, but only can communicate with like

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the dinosaurs. She was OK in this movie, but
the dad was just such a fucking idiot.
Like the entire movie, it's justlike it felt like this is you
have Herschel Ali, you have Scarlett Johansson, you Jonathan
Bailey and Rupert Friend like world class actors and we are
going in splitting time with this family that feel like they
are forced into this movie. The Scarjo crew did not even

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acknowledge their existence whenthey were on the island like you
would. You didn't.
I wasn't thinking in the back ofmy mind.
Oh yeah. They're going to naturally meet
up with the other crew and we'resupposed to believe the Scarjo
character is like all of a sudden has a moral conscious
after being some type of like mystery mercenary on other going
all over the world on these different missions and
expeditions. Just to me they were such a

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weird I guess addition to the movie and felt so forced.
Ricky Flex. Yeah, like at the end when they
all eventually do meet up again and Scar, Joe and Marshall Ali
remembers their names and last names.
I'm like, they never actually had a formal introduction on
screen. How would how would you remember
them? Like, how would you?
And I totally agree. They tried to.

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I think the key with this movie,these movies are you got like
Simpson, what a Fast and Furious.
Like it's all about family. Yeah, you always follow the
beats, so you always have to have the kids, right?
But the problem with these movies ever since the first one
really is you're never invested in these kids and a lot of the
character arcs in these characters, right?
Maybe the Chris Pat little Jurassic World one.

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I get that was probably the lasttime I was invested in actually
these characters or like the kidinvolvement, but I still hated
it in that movie. And this one.
I do agree with you, Doc. They kind of did grow on me a
bit, but I still didn't love them because they just felt
misplaced and forced. And you can't have forced
characters be half your movie, right?
And another problem with the movie and again, talking about

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the character development is like Scar Joe is like dealing
with like kind of there's a kindof exposition throwaway lines
between her and Michelle Ali saying like, oh, I lost on my
last trip in Yemen. I lost my partner.
And then also there is her mom died in cardio or a heart
failure. And then Michelle Ali's kid
died. And it's like they're trying
these expositionary dialogue bits for one second.

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And then from that one piece of dialogue, you're exposed.
You're supposed to say, oh, that's why they saved the kids.
Oh, that's why they're they can remember their names.
It's like, no, you cannot do that.
You have to have us invest into them more than just have one
piece of dialogue. That's for me where again, like
this really grinds my gears because I thought I was going to

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get something better because like you said, Doc off the top,
this had all the pieces. It had the actors.
It's you seemingly had the script.
Oh, sorry, screenwriter, you hadthe director like you have the
franchise with a built in audience.
Like you seem to have all these things there for the taking and
it just was the same and it was so frustrating to me.

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The characters were less than half baked.
They were microwaved, I think, with their backstories.
I, I, I think it didn't lead to us really caring about a single
thing that they did. I think that the family, the dad
was so dumb. I just didn't I, I, I thought
that was one of the dumbest dads, I think in the history of
like Blockbuster. What?
Are the chances that we're goingdinosaur infected?

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Waters is 1 in 50,000. It's just like buddy, holy crap,
are you kidding? You're supposed to sell me on
that? The audience is not that dumb.
Yeah, then especially saying allthose boats that flowed through
next to the shark the the dinosaur infested waters.
But I also want I went to homework again on one of your
tweets, J man, and then I'll letI'll let you.
I want I want you. I will go to the product

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placement thing in a SEC, but also like things that I felt
like the studio like kind of like put into the movie, like,
oh, we need to have this family somehow incorporated, You know,
F it. Let's just throw them in here
and have them, you know, sailingtogether before the daughter
goes to college. The also the classic now it
seems like a staple of franchisemovies to have some type of cute

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little creature that provides some, I guess, punch or at least
like some like cheap, you know, punch, you know, that will kind
of like, I guess help parts of the movie that they know are
going to be lackluster. Like Dolores I thought was
adorable, very cute dinosaur andI was happy to have Dolores on
the screen. But then I'm watching I'm like,

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why is Dolores here? Well, you have a family of four
that no one's really like that invested in that showed up 40
minutes into the movie. Then you have like Oscar winners
in this other group that really like why aren't we spending time
with them? Then you're kind of distracted
by this cute little of dinosaur,you know, I love the connection
with her, the dinosaur and the youngest daughter.

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That was very cute. I want to know your thoughts on
Dolores and do you think that character worked and you or do
you hope to see more of Dolores now that she's headed towards
the mainland? I have a take.
I have a take on the family as awhole.
I'm convinced that like they were written in for like the
notes and everything. I think they were there for
product placement and an excuse to like actually show the old

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school dinosaurs of what people expected because there's no
reason for the T Rex to be in the movie at all.
They're not hunting it, but likeit's what it's what people
expect. When you like think Jurassic
Park, it's like, oh, there's gotto be AT Rex.
And the same thing with Dolores.That's blue.
They're just going to sell a shit load of toys.
They're going to buy like stuffed animals.

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That's all. That's all why it was there.
And you can't write this cute little dinosaur in with like,
like Scar Joe is going to drop kick that thing.
She's not going to pick it up and like put it in her back.
But. Jonathan Bailey's character
might pick it up but but I do agree with you I I like I didn't
love that half the movie was devoted to them but some of the

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best dinosaur scenes were with the family.
Whether you go the T Rex scene which is always the scene
stealing scene stealing moment of Jurassic Park movie but also
the comedic relief of the Xaviercharacter.
When he started to grow on me iswhen he goes to take that piss
and like behind him, it's like the velociraptors that are like
creeping next to him and then here comes the pterodactyl that

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like swoops behind and then likethe pterodactyl swoops and takes
the velociraptor flies away and then all of a sudden Xavier
starts pissing himself again. That was like great to me.
I think those are like, once again, no matter what the
situation was, I thought the dinosaur scenes hit despite like
that lackluster, you know, side part of the movie.

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Ricky Flex. Yeah, I think the T Rex scene
was probably the sexiest scene, like the T Rex that looks like
the best dinosaur. Look at how.
They really put the CGI money inthat.
I I really. Thought the T Rex looks slick,
sleek, also treated like an animal when I was like sleeping,
right and it was waking up and it was like, oh, I got to go
hunting like that was pretty cool.

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I I and I really love the chase scene in the water with the
multiple dinosaurs through the water and then the horror esque
element of taking out one of thecrew members on land.
I thought was the second best scene because it kind of had
like again, the chase scene and the water, which is kind of
relatively new in Jurassic Worlduniverse.
And then also it actually killedsomebody.
Now that kind of gets to gets toa problem here in this movie.

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Without getting too much into spoilers, I thought we could
have more deaths because becausethis is a stand alone movie.
As you recognize, there was no as you probably saw as if you
saw the movie. There's no post credit scenes.
There is nothing. And it's pretty much been
confirmed that these actors are not returning.

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And just doing a little digging,Marshall Ali was supposed to die
in this movie. He was supposed to die in this
movie, which tells me if there'snot a sequel, right, and this is
a standalone film, then he was supposed to die.
Why doesn't he die? And that just shows me like, did
they think they had something going for us here?
We're like, we were supposed to like that character a lot more

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or something like, and if he died, then, oh, like, we would
have hated the movie. Like, I don't know.
But that just kind of shows me like, where, yes, you have some
of these great scenes and they kill off some of these very,
very minor characters, like the French speaking guy and a couple
other people that barely speak in the movie.
But it's like, there's no stakesstill.
Yeah. All these people you knew were
going to be living at the end and the one guy, Marshall Ali,

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who he thought was going to die was like, I guess he's he's not
dying. I I will say that I think we
should go into spoilers right now.
All right, I think we should talk about this.
I I that was, like I said before, the few things I like.
I love the dinosaur scenes. I like a lot some a lot of the
homages that they pay to the original Jurassic Park.
We'll get to those in a second. But I think the huge thing about

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these Movies Now is that not only, like, are there no stakes,
but like, you know, who's going to live and who's going to die
from the first time you meet a character, You know, the one
time they could have surprised me is if Mahershala Ali would
die at the end of this movie. That's where it's like, First
off, I'm not too emotionally invested just because you showed

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me a picture of his kid who likedied at a young age.
And because he said in one line,a throwaway line to scar Joe
that he divorced his wife and that he has to protect his kids.
Like that was is a cheap death if he died, but they still
couldn't even pull the trigger on him.
You know the members of the crew.
You got Deadpool, the bad guy inDeadpool.
Like literally I didn't even know was in this movie.

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But when I saw him and from the first line, him being a Dick
saying we got to take the money,I'm like, oh, you're you're dead
first. Immediately you were in the
promo, you had that Dick line. You're the 1st to go in the.
Crib, you're the 1st to go. The one also like none of the
family died. You could you only when you saw
the family. Like no one's going to die.
They're by themselves, they're unprotected.
Like they have this cute dinosaur with them.

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No one's going to die. You just feel it.
You just know it. Ricky.
Yeah, and I think two things with the family 1 like you could
have killed that kid the the teenager.
Xavier kid. That would have been the one kid
and they decided to kind of use him as comedic relief.
He did grow on me though. Yeah, he did grow on me too, and
he I didn't really laugh too much, but my theater was

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breaking out of laughter with him throughout them as the movie
went on. So people liked him, I think.
But two things. One, when I saw the little girl,
OK, and then with the little dinosaur, I was like, Oh my God,
are we going Jurassic Park 2? The Lost World?
You guys remember that opening scene when like all the so like

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in the Jurassic World, sorry, Jurassic Park, the Lost World,
the 2nd 197, the little girl in the beginning scene of the movie
is the little baby velociraptorsattacking her and they don't
show it right? You knew they weren't going to
do that. This thing looked like it was
like a cousin of Grogu. Right, so then, but that's that
was my first thought where I'm like, well, they won't kill this

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girl, but what did I think? I thought that little baby was
going to be the like, daughter, son, whatever the like whatever
kid of the big T Rex mutant hybrid.
Offspring. Yes, that's the sequel.
Well, well, I thought like, likewhen I'm trying to piece
together this movie, I did thinglike, oh, at the end, like

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they're going to like give this back to the big boy or whatever,
big mom, and then everything's got like, it'll go away or
something. I I honestly thought that was a
potential chance of the storyline.
I look like a Triceratops esque,you know, Dolores, I have to I
have to confide in my Jurassic World correspondent and also guy
who takes dinosaur classes in college.

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Was that was that? Was that a?
Was that a Triceratops like Dolores that we were looking?
At it, it looked. It looked more.
It was a theropod, so yeah. This is what I use.
These things look so weird but that's another thing.
Sorry. Now I'm now I'm bouncing around
like these mutated dinosaurs throughout the movie.
Besides the one, the second one that they take the sample of,

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they're pretty ugly. The T Rex looks great.
They're mutated, right, right. But like AT Rex look great.
The natural ones look great. And I think that was a point of
this movie. And also some of the better
scenes were with the regular dinosaurs.
Yes, you know like that Xenomorph T Rex thing mutated

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for that was tease at the beginning movie it shows up.
I at the end I would say like I wasn't I I was kind of more into
what Garrett Gareth Edwards was doing in terms of the smoke, the
red like danger, him emerging from it, only then him
swallowing the car, eating the car.
Then you have like the satisfying death of the villain,
right? The Rupert Friend character.

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I like, I like I didn't care as much how they looked in that
scene. I just wanted to be terrified.
I wanted I wanted to be scary. But like I said before, like
the, the the the scare factor you it just reduces
automatically when you know, it can feel who is or who will or
won't die, you know, But I also wanted to kind of bring up with
you guys the homages. I I think like the use of John

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Williams score pretty good in this movie.
I think it took time to appreciate dinosaurs, nature,
beauty, the touching of the dinosaur by Jonathan Bailey
character really good. I I think the like I like how it
also is like paying homage to like the original Jurassic Park.
It's not like to the lost world because like, dude, I haven't
watched a bunch of these movies in a long time.
You know, I I like I haven't seen Jurassic Park three ever.

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You know, I just like I'm not invested in that ever.
I like it, but it's like also you do the like the kitchen
scene where it's like the kid that's hiding, just like you
have here with the gas station, the kid hiding.
I think. Well done.
It's once again, this is also where you figured out it's like
this is like imitation. That's that's what it is, you
know, and I'm accepting of that now that we just know what the
franchise is. But yeah, I thought that worked.

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Any other like, I guess homages that you pointed out or that you
enjoyed? J Man.
I will I will say before the only like mutated dinosaurs were
like the two at the end. Like the ones that were tracking
down are like real dinosaurs. They're just ugly because
they're massive. Like the the the the the.

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The third one, the flying one, they the.
It's like it's like a quetzal. Quetzal for short.
Those those are real. Oh, that third one looked.
Were. They looked, they looked
disgusting. Yeah, they were real.
They're extinct. Are you sure dude?
I I also didn't know Jurassic worlds.
I didn't like the end of dominion.
I stopped dominion after the 1st30 minutes Like I just like I

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can't do it. But like that was a that was a
couple years ago when it came out when it first popped on
Peacock. But.
Before you go on, that's the oneJurassic World I've ever seen.
Dominion. But but but this is
consequential because I didn't know like you could have
dinosaurs that are just roaming around like the, I guess the
quote UN quote, the safer dinosaurs.

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I was shocked when I just saw like a what animal was that?
I, I when in doubt, I just say Brachiosaurus.
What was that animal that was inNew York City that was just like
hanging Brachios? Billy.
Who was it? His name is Bronto.
Billy's from the zoo. But it's is they named?
Him, but he's a brontosaurus. Was he in dominion like that
specific? Dinosaur.
Oh, I I have no idea about. That, but at the end of

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Dominion, there's there's free, there's free roaming dinosaurs,
correct? The the end of Dominion is one
of the craziest, like just wide shot scenes.
It just like jumps from different locales with like, oh,
here are like dolphins diving inthe ocean and like right behind
there's a spinosaur like swimming along with them because
you see it's fin and then it's like there's like horses riding

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and like other like fast like dinosaurs like just running with
them and they're like, oh, we all live in unison now, but.
But in this movie, they all haveto live near the equator.
No, the other the dangerous ones.
Slowly, slowly, slowly, all dinosaurs were like they were
dying off because of like climate or oxygen level stuff
that I guess the equator has heavy oxygen.

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Level vegetation too. They got to be able to eat the
right stuff. But I didn't know that.
And I I for some reason, when they said Rebirth, I'm like, oh,
it's just like a reboot. You know, I didn't realize we
were kind of taking off from thelast Jurassic World Chris Pratt
verse like movie. I didn't realize that until I
saw him like, oh, this must havebeen established before and now

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I feel like I might be missing out.
Honestly, it it didn't really impact my viewing at all.
They just literally spout out everything at us anyway.
So that's what these movies it. It didn't matter.
I even like even the way it was marketed.
I full blown thought it was a reboot as well.
I'm not even treating it like it's part of like I know it says
Jurassic World but I'm not like Jurassic World in 2 Dominion

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like that's its own trilogy. I'm still looking at this like
it's its own like stand alone right now.
Yeah, I think that. I think that's fair.
I think I think it did. I don't want to say a good job,
but it stands on its own. That's what I'll say.
Let's, let's go. Let's go to these stars here,
Ricky. Let's talk about Scarjo,
Mahershala Ali, Jonathan Bailey here.

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I kind of don't want to. We kind of we already talked
about Scar Joe a decent amount and like her taking this movie,
wanting to be in this movie. Is it because she loves Jurassic
Park movies or is it because of money?
But I kind of want to talk aboutMahershala Ali because he
doesn't usually do these type ofmovies.
He was supposed to do Blade. It's been delayed indefinitely.
I think on the press tour for this movie, he was asked like

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he's asked alongside other Co stars, like favorite experiences
with like marvel, and he was just like I'm I'm he got up and
left like I I can't even be participate in this
conversation. But what do you think about him
first of all, doing this movie? And how do you think he did in
the movie as like pretty much the third Build actor behind
Scarjo and Jonathan Bailey? I so like, that's where I

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thought like, oh, in the promotion, he's clearly like the
boat guy. You know, I was like, oh, this
is my guy that's going to be just taking us wherever we have
to go. So I kind of expected him to
die. I, I, I thought at some point he
was going to be the odd man now out of this threesome.
That's why I think at the end, at least for me, someone that is
invested in Michelle Ali has a lot of stock.

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I've only bought stock at the Lowe's.
I've never sold. So I, I, I don't know, I'm just
fully invested in this guy. I don't know, man.
Like I, I understand why he did it.
There's no, there's no issues with any of these actors.
I think, I think it's more the script.
The script is just so bad and some of the dialogue was so bad
and like even Scar Joe again, like I didn't love her

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performance in this, but I kind of want to give her a pass.
It's just like I am going to with Ollie here.
The only person I think did likeactually stock up after this is
Jonathan Bailey and it's for thereason we laid out earlier.
I think he's the only. Everyone else is neutral to
maybe slightly down, slightly down, but no, like direct arrow

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down, none of that. Like I think the only guy that
gets a stock up is Jonathan Bailey, which is kind of crazy
to say because again, you saw the Wicked trailer before this.
You know, he's a big universal guy.
This is I I'm kind of more pleased with him than this
because we know we didn't know what we were going to get.
We knew Wicked, we know his artistic abilities.
This is like we didn't know whatwe were to get here and he was

(33:35):
really good. When I watched wicked, I like
said, who's that guy? Like like that guy, like just
not because he's a good looking guy, but just like, look at like
this guy is killing it right now.
Like he has the great musical number and and he's like the
love interest. He's the guy a part of like the
love triangle that's going on between Glinda and Alphaba.
And I watched him and this, I'm like, he seems like he's
actually acting, you know, like out.

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Of this but he's actually actingyou know and.
He's rehearsal on the musical. Anytime of the of the week here,
he can't. Like he's like, can he do this?
And he's like, yeah, he definitely can.
Hershel Ali, he usually is not as like rambunctious as he is in
this movie. You know, he does have some
emotional beats to him, but likehe's he's like kind of having
fun. He's being rowdy.
Seemed like just a fun role for him.

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The scar Joe is someone I want to talk about because I couldn't
tell if she wasn't that great orthe I I knew the script wasn't
that great. Gives no back story.
She obviously went went through something traumatic, but she's
like such a flip floppy on her moral consciousness in this
movie. I'm like, I think she's just
smiling through it all like LeBron, like in this movie,

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she's just smiling through it all.
And you know what? She's going to be the good the
good person in the end. You know, she is our
protagonist, but I thought the way she was written was pretty
wishy washy. It's like, we're I'm doing this.
That's my last one. Oh, it's for the money.
Oh, wait, these kids are stranded.
Let's go save the kids. Oh, OK.
And then they they go do the island.

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They go get the eggs. And she's like, oh, we're going
to be so rich. And Jonathan Bear is like, don't
you want to save? Don't you want to save, like
prostate cancer or whatever the hell?
And then she's like, no, I want the money.
And at the end she looks at them.
Do you want to save everybody from prostate cancer?
And she's like, yeah, movie over.
She's like wishy washy the entire movie.
I like, I can't even get a read on her.

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Like I just, I think it was the script, but I thought I was.
I wasn't in love with her because I am in love with her.
But I wasn't in love with her asan actress in this movie because
I just didn't know what to thinkof her.
Is she a good or bad person? But I guess she's a protagonist,
so she's supposed to be good. I don't know.
J Man. What do you think about Scarjo
in this? I mean she like she had no back

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story like you guys were saying and like her character's like
she's so mysterious. She's like a hitman maybe, or
she recovers like lost treasure.Like they didn't even say what
she does which. Makes sense.
They did. They did.
It was like precaution or something.
Yeah. Security and precaution.
That's not, that's not a real thing.
That's not a real thing that's made.

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That's one of those made-up government.
They literally made one of it inthe movie.
Yeah, yeah, this movie was pretty meta, by the way.
It was, it was, it did have moments.
But yeah, I don't she like, she,she had her parts, but like
every, it was every time. Like Jonathan Bailey smiled at
her. She's like, it was like she was
getting butterflies, like, like a first.
Person like my thing at the end.The same I thought, I thought

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like they were back to like the formulaic thing they are like
from the first one. They're Grant and Statler and
it's like the will they won't there.
They have that little thing and then like Marshall Ali on the
side is like Dr. Ian Malcolm, like he's just like.
He could die. This guy could die.
He. Could like.
You never know. We're gonna do a Jurassic Lost
World and we're gonna have Jeff Goldblum or Ian Malcolm or

(36:47):
Marshall Ali here. Be the lead guy next movie.
Exactly. It's set up so weird.
Like Scar mailed this in, like the script was bad, but like,
she mailed this in. I don't care.
Yeah. I'm hesitant to say that just
because like the way what she's doing physically here, it's like
she's an action star. Like she is literally a Jack of
all trades. Do it all.

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I think she just realized like, I don't need to.
I'm not this is a JoJo rabbit here, you know, this is a
marriage story. Like she's just like I, I have
to be more of Black Widow, but almost turned down a little bit
for this movie. I don't even have to like try
and carry this thing because once again.
Strangle a dinosaur with your. Life the dinosaur yeah maybe she
could have lost her after but like she care like she like

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dinosaurs carry these movies notlike 1 actor.
Yeah, the the thing you could, you could kind of sell me on of
like, oh, maybe she mailed this in or like she wasn't great was
in the comedic scenes. She is not funny.
Now. Like the first time when, when
Jonathan was like, oh, I'll shoot the dinosaur and then
she's like, oh, come here for a second.
That would no, nobody in my theater laughed.

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Nobody. And then she does it again in
the jumping scene. She she tries to be funny and
she is not funny. So I, I again, I don't think
that's a huge problem because this is an action movie, but
they tried to write in some funny stuff like, oh, we talked
about it beforehand. Oh, to double down and get more
money. And that wasn't funny either.
Nobody was laughing in my packedtheater.

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There was also lines in here notfrom Scarjo that just didn't hit
like when Xavier looked at his girlfriend's sister and says
like do you smoke? Like to her I'm just like this
is what are you doing? How did this make the final cut?
David Kepp is so out of like he is not in the Times.
No, that was like a 10 years agojoke.

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Like like that that was like bold for a movie that's afraid
to show like a velociraptor eviscerating somebody and they
hide behind like some cargo. But they allow the scene where
like the the 18 year old asks the seven-year old if she smokes
weed. Like how does that one make it
in? Like that's crazy to me.
OK, other strengths and flaws and final notes before we hit

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scores here. J man, anything you want to add?
I want to know in the beginning when like they're they're
running away from the most storeon the boat, the dad like grabs
his daughter. Does he break his leg?
Because they show his leg and they make a weird noise and then
for two straight days he's like has a small limp.

(39:16):
No way adrenaline runs that long.
Yeah. It was his ankle.
It seemed like he broke his ankle from that, like from that.
I get like in the moment, like rushing out, like swimming to
shore and stuff. Like you're good.
But like after you fall asleep for a couple hours, there's no
way you're waking up. And like you can scale a
mountain. They scaled a mountain.

(39:38):
Yeah, OK. I don't get they did scale it.
This is my deathbed or whatever joke that they.
Xavier sucks. I don't care what you guys say,
he sucks. This.
Whole movie just sucked. He got better.
He got better. I didn't like how the dad kept
saying like, I guess you're a good guy.
I guess you're a good guy too early.
Yeah, he's dad. He.
Stayed out of one night, the dad.
Was worst dad. Dad was irresponsible parent but

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also dumb, repetitive with Xavier puts his kids in
dangerous situations left and right.
He was the worst character. I did not.
And also, it's distracting us from getting to like the actors
you want to say. I also want to say about another
character of the villain. I thought Rupert Friend pretty
good, but I kind of was on his side.

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I think they needed a more obvious like I could have saved
you like closer him, like reach out, but then take it back or
something like really could havesaved the girl.
I needed something more obvious because I was thinking like end
of the day, like her life over heart failure of so many.
I'm like, I kind of live with him and then throughout the
movie he becomes more and more of an A hole.

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I'm like, yeah, this guy is a Dick, But like I was like, man,
like that one big scene and thenScarlet was like, Oh, I better
without her even seeing. She just like assumed, like oh,
how did she fall from the ship? I'm just like.
How do you even know how to ask that?
You don't. You don't know.
You weren't there and. You could have been a little
more evil, could have been a little more I.
Think he could have been a lot more evil at the start.

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I thought they did a good job being like, oh, I'm an
intellectual human. Like I'm going to survive.
I think that's a good mind to say like, oh, this guy's a
Jackass. But like, I don't know, like I
think for a villain you got to be more villainous in action
besides at the end. Did you guys think that the
blood that they extracted the after they had the three and
they had in the suitcase when Scarjo handed it over, did you
think it was like in her bag andthen really the suitcase was

(41:30):
empty when he handcuffed it to himself?
No, because they need it in the thing to for the temperature,
yeah. There was like cryo chamber
stuff going. On there, I assume no, but
that's a pretty good thought just in case.
Like this movie, who knows Because I like I said off the
top they have gone fast and furious.
Like I I would if they did that,I would have been like, yeah, I

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guess so. I can see now I want to know
what your thoughts on before thescores they get what a sequel
would look like. It could could we be looking at
a thing where it's only like oneor two characters come back
rather than all three in the same crew that come back.
If they're not completing like this type of like life or death
type of mission, maybe it doesn't have the type of skills
that are they don't need the type of skills that scar Joe and

(42:14):
rehearsal Ali. It could be someone just using
the logic of a Jonathan Bailey character, then he comes back
and has to work with another group of people.
Like, what does a sequel look like?
Can you imagine this movie? It did make $320 million
worldwide. I, I, I, I feel like it's
better. It's, I wouldn't say like, I
know it's not confirmed that these people are coming back,

(42:35):
but money talks. And if the first one did this
one this much, can the second one replicate?
I feel like all three would comeback.
But what do you think a sequel looks like?
J Man. I honestly, I feel like the only
sequel they can do is they have to go like back in time.
It's I love that it's ran its course like with the the whole

(42:56):
like sport, like not spoilers, but like I know we're doing like
movie rankings. Fallen Kingdom I despise 'cause
they had like the whole like Dino lives matter, like aspects
like going on, which makes no sense to me, but like it's we're
too far, like we're way too far into this course like movie
wise. I think it's like 25 years
humans and dinosaurs have been living together.

(43:18):
Like they just need to do a fullreboot or they need to go back.
Like they can't. I don't see them making a movie
of like 05 years after like TaskForce whatever, like came up
with a cure for cancer. It's like now it has like
genetically modified humans and they can fucking fly or like
what? I have no idea.
Like you're going to become dinosaurs.

(43:39):
Mutations. Yeah, like that's all I can
think of. How can they do like something?
Right and I think I I keep bringing up fast and furious.
I'm going to do it one more timehere.
Like fast and furious. Now they're at the jump, the
shark mode where they've gone tospace and now it's like absurd
and ridiculous. They then they're trying to
figure some stuff out on their side to kind of end this
franchise, right? Jurassic World's like we're

(44:02):
trying to reboot this again, butalso kind of link with what has
happened recently in the as in Dominion only three years ago.
It's like they haven't really decided what they want to do,
but they keep trying to advance it.
But it's not like they can go tospace, you know, they have
dinosaurs, you know, That's why I think I kind of like the
prequel idea or like what they've done with like the Alien
franchise and Ridley Scott. And you would kind of do

(44:24):
something like that, you know, like behind the scenes, maybe
Jurassic Park pre 1993, like dinosaurs were already were in
something and you could do the characters before that.
And kind of like a co-ops kind of everyone dies besides Susan
Sarandon or not Saran Saran, youknow, Sigourney Weaver.
You could do a whole alien type thing maybe with that, like in a

(44:45):
prequel type of scenario. I don't know.
But you can't just keep moving forward and just replicating it.
Obviously money talks so they can.
But I guess for me, like someonethat will watch the movies but
not I guess be a core fan like you J man.
It's it's a lot of wash, rinse, repeat.
You know, and they do have to break, break patterns.

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That's what they got to do. Shout out the bear Season 4.
They got to break patterns. This is where I was also.
I was like joking when I said like, like, like all these
movies, It's the huge corporation exploiting the
animals, exploiting the dinosaurs.
You get the scientist who cares about like animal rights and
dinosaur rights. It's the same thing every single

(45:27):
time. Just let them talk, let the
dinosaurs talk. You know, can we, can we like if
we, if we're talking about hybrids, you know, what if these
people like get dinosaur blood and then what happens?
Just like let them talk or I think if it's already we, we've
talked about it like this, this franchise has jumped the shark.
You've talked about it, Ricky Flex, they jumped the shark.

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What can you do once you jump the shark?
Time travel, like let's go back in time.
Like, like, I think I, I, I justdon't think there's much new.
And I would also say, I would also say something, you just let
I guess a couple of years go by before you make another movie.
That's also what you could do. Just don't make a movie every

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three years when it's a quote UNquote rebirth or a reboot.
Like it's not, it doesn't feel like it.
It just feels like, OK, here we go again, like another Jurassic
Park movie. Why don't you let things breathe
for a little bit and then you come back and make another, you
know, $2 billion, J Man. I'm all in on the time travel
one. You send like Scar Joe, Jonathan
Bailey back to collect like a True Blood sample from like the

(46:30):
actual like Jurassic Triassic period, whatever.
Like just put them back there. Bring a squad.
That's why it gets like mauled, obviously, But then they come
back better blood because this is the way they're going.
They're not going to go backwards.
They're going to keep focusing on like the big pharma like
storyline for some reason. Oh my God.
Adam drivers back there, yeah. Sure.

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I And that's another potential Ave.
If you jump the shark, where where else?
What else happens Crossover? What do you crossover Jurassic
Park with? Fast and Furious.
Transformers. No, no Transformers could work.
They did the Godzilla the beast the beast one they had like
dinosaur Transformers. Spielberg would never allow it.
Ambler would never allow it. Godzilla.

(47:16):
Godzilla. He is a dinosaur.
That's why it's a good crossover.
But he already is with Kong. Kong also could be a part of
this we're. Talking triple crossover.
Triple crossover. There's a problem because that's
a Warner Brothers legendary product or whatever rights.

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So we have an issue, but I couldsee it.
OK. These these mute meta, sorry,
mutated dinosaurs. There's one that's big that
could compete against Kong, thatcould compete against Godzilla.
You know all these other monsters.
Like I, I feel like Jaws is in the same vein as Jurassic Park,

(47:57):
but then no one makes Jaws movies, you know?
Like Jaws had the one iconic sci-fi movie and then horror
sci-fi movie in Spielberg. And then there's a bunch of like
sequels that could never match what the original was or even
come close. Like it's very similar.
I'm trying to think of other movies like that.
Ricky, do you have any think of any?

(48:18):
Crap. And I I had another idea for
what? Where Jurassic Park could go I
guess Alien did hit hit hit thatlike not not drove the shark
Aliens. Was fucking awesome.
I'm talking about like one that like, OK, that's an iconic movie
and then they kept making sequels and they just aren't
even close. Predator.

(48:38):
Predator plan of the you said plan of the apes.
Yeah, I guess the original. Yeah, like the you want with
Caesar and stuff. I mean, you want the dinosaurs
to talk. Why don't you just do that?
But the the new trilogy was unbelievable.
Well. I so my idea for Jurassic Park
would be, you know, like with Godzilla Kong, they did a

(48:59):
Mechagodzilla do like robotic Jurassic World.
Yeah, fake faux dinosaurs. And then they just battle it out
good. Yeah, yeah.
I mean you could go the AI routeand like the dinosaurs just go
around. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't.
Know oh you could do again do Godzilla Kong route like alien.

(49:20):
I like. Alien V.
Dinosaurs is not bad. You could, you could do like,
you know how Godzilla, Kong, they have the under Earth,
whatever it's called, you could do that in the Jurassic World
where it's like under Earth, dinosaurs still exist.
And then you have the new dinosaurs against the old
dinosaurs, yes. What I know like a.

(49:40):
Star show in a mech like a dinosaur mech suit and they just
fight. Yeah, like real.
Real steal for fun. I don't know.
They do have to spice it up unless they're just they they
don't have to spice it up. I guess if they're cool just
this being a cash cow and them just keep.
But then there's like the the movies where like it's like, oh,
the all the movies like, oh, these companies are just trying

(50:03):
to make money. It's like, no, you are these
companies you're making fun of. That's the mess that that's
that's the kind of like the metaaspect of this movie.
I don't know how where they wereof it, but let's get the scores
Ricky flex. What do you give Jurassic World
Rebirth I'll. Give it a 54.
J Men, what do you give JurassicWorld rebirth?

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I said 67. OK, 6759 from Doctorow.
That does it for a review of Jurassic World Rebirth.
Before we end today's episode, we have to do a couple things.
What we have to do now is I kindof wanted to, I wanted to do
Jurassic Park, Jurassic World Rankings, and J Man, this just

(50:48):
seems like right up your alley to be honest.
Did you do any homework before watching Rebirth?
I watched them all again. Every single one.
Every single homework. Streaming on Peacock, correct?
Except world World dropped and it's on.
Like I had to rent it on prime. It's on Doobie.

(51:08):
I watched it on Tubie. I I when you guys post streaming
recs and I see tubie I just scroll right past it.
You won't get me. You won't get them all right,
Ricky. Folks, you watch anything before
rebirth? I watched Park, of course, and I
thought about watching Did Minion.
I I I almost clicked on it and Idecided against it.

(51:30):
I didn't do it. I still don't know if I will
ever see it, but that's the onlyone I haven't seen.
You need to see it. You need to see it just me, I I
so I may well before like watch the movie.
If anybody hasn't watched the movie at this point, you
probably have it's park world dominion.
Those are the three you need to watch to like, fully kind of

(51:51):
understand the story. Lack thereof story.
But that's what I made my girlfriend do, and she was happy
that I made her do it. But Dominion is like full fan
service. Yep, that's where it comes.
That brings back Goldblum, Darren, everybody OK?
Well, I watched Park and World and those are the only two that

(52:13):
matter to me, to be honest. You.
Guys are absolutely haters. No what?
Are these rankings, James? Because you're the only one
that's seen. All of them I want, I want, I
want to hear yours. I want to hear if I agree with
what I've seen. You want me to go reverse order?
No. Let me start at the top.
Start at the top. We all know number one.
Yeah, Parks one, obviously I I have Dominion at 2:00.

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Oh my. God this is crazy.
It's not because it's like a good like plot oriented movie.
Like it's not like that. Couldn't get through 30 minutes
of it. Goodness.
Once they get to the facility and like everybody's back.
Like you have, you got Grant, you got Statler, you got you got
the core three from the beginning and you got Pratt and

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whatever the redhead name, I don't like her as an actress.
I forget her name. Bryce Daless, Howard.
Yeah, her they're doing their thing on the side, whatever, but
it works and like I said, it's fanservice.
You get to see like the iconic characters again and then like
you get some like on you get some unanswered questions like
from the first ones, like, oh, you find out that like Ellie,

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like she actually did get married and she had kids, but
not with Doctor Grant. It's like, whoa, it's like
didn't see that coming. It's like stuff like that.
Dinosaurs are cool. That would have pissed me off.
Dinosaurs was like great. It did piss me off and that's
why it's good to watch the movie.
Sorry that might take loud. So Dominion at 2 is already a

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shocker. What's that?
I like I world, OK. I put so you have world ahead of
rebirth. Like in my mind, there's like
little movies, Jurassic Park, Jurassic World, Jurassic World
rebirth, that's all like only inmy mind and lost, lost world,
lost world. You could talk.
You can, you can put me in, put in the like Mount Rushmore, I
guess like. I have I have lost world at

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4:00. So OK, and that might solely be
based off of Vince Vaughn. See yeah, Vince Vaughn.
That's an that's like AI know random it.
William Information. We do we.
No, no, no, no, no. No.
We don't talk. About it out on.
It that's not Paul is terrible. It is, but so I I had lost world

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at 4:00. I have rebirth at 5:00.
OK. And now Dick 7 is great.
Fallen World is 6 and then Jurassic Park 3 is 7.
Jurassic Park 3 is God awful. Yeah, that that I was going to
say. The only thing I know for sure
certain after watching 6 of the 7 is Jurassic Parks at 1:00.

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I thought Jurassic World would be two, but apparently to you
it's not and Jurassic Three is 7.
Yes, Jurassic Park 3 is awful. Everything like the story's
awful even like it's not even the dinosaurs don't like they're
they look OK. Everything else in that movie
looks horrendous. The the blood isn't blood.

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It's like watercolor red, like that's what it looks like.
It doesn't even look it. I don't know.
I hate three. I hate everything about 3.
OK. 3 is just the worst, but Dominion.
All right, I'll tell you what, Jman, I'll give Dominion a shot.
If if I was to do my Mount Rushmore though, I'm I'm kicking

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Dominion out of there. Like I said, I couldn't get
through it. Jurassic Park one I would do.
Jurassic World two I would do Rebirth 3IN Lost World 4.
Those are from like the four that I know.
I would do that rebirth, like it, like it has its moments.
But Jurassic World, I remember leaving that movie, I'm like,
damn, was that almost as good asJurassic Park did?

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Like that had such a terrible rewatch ability factor to it.
But when I was in theaters, I felt a different type of way
with Jurassic World. And that was like at the height
of Chris Pratt mania. And it was like the return of
Jurassic Park after what Jurassic Park 3 that was that
felt like it was a huge deal. That was a massive movie theater

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movie, you know, and I and it's almost like it almost MCU, you
know, where it's like when you look back at MCU movies and some
of them you watch like, I think I liked a lot more when I
watched the first time. That was me watching Jurassic
World. And, you know, and that's in a
franchise that doesn't have like, to me, the greatest track
record. Yeah.
That's why I think a world wouldbe two.
I can't believe I have to I haveto watch Dominion.

(56:38):
I have I have to watch it. I'm not going to even touch it
might be anything. It hits 4.
I just give it a chance. I'll never forget seeing
Jurassic World in theaters with Scotty furious and walking out
and saying holy crap they did it.
Like they're with Eden civilians, like regular, like

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just people just in the park. They're just chomping on people.
I was just like Oh my God this is and way way better than I
thought. And I'll say it again.
I'll say this, two days later I saw it with Doctor Rowe and I
was like, wow, this movie is really good.
I wasn't like crazy. And now looking back on, I'm
like, yeah, maybe this movie isn't great.
But. Versus the rest of the Jurassic

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World Park franchise, it is great.
And I think everything else after that, including rebirth,
there's a huge fall off. I think a huge fall off.
The the T Rex is fighting each other in that movie and it's.
Still a Kong moment. Yeah.
And then people give Chris Prattshit.
I'm a Chris Pratt fan unapologetically.

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He's a he's a movie star in thatthat movie dude.
Like he. He's amazing in that.
Movie. Yeah, like he.
Like Bryce Dallis, Howard sucks.The kids suck in that he's a
weird storyline. Chris Simon boarding down the
Fort with Blue. Blue.
Blue is an under, Blue is a Mount Rushmore character.
I don't. Care what anybody says.
Like you might not count, might not count like dinosaurs?

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Absolutely. So Mount Rushmore characters
Jurassic World Park franchise. Go Grant Statler.
I'd probably do gradient blue. I would leave.
You wouldn't leave Jeff Goldblum, Malcolm.
Yeah, you have. I don't dude.
Malcolm dude, he's the most. He's the legacy of characters.

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Like he had his own movie in thesequel to Jurassic Park.
Think about what you think of Jurassic Park memes.
It's freaking goldblum with the hair popping out of his chest.
The scientific Rockstar. That's a bit of character like.
Him, he's lost a little bit of luster with thoseapartment.com
commercials. I'm not going to lie.
He's he's fading on me a little bit.
He doesn't have the aura. When I see him now, I'm like, I

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can't believe that was Doctor Malcolm, who's been married 400
times. The leather jacket.
He's hot. He was a hot scientist.
Now Bailey's hotter, I will say I want dude, I wanted to hate
him so much. Like I, I can't stand, I I
cannot comprehend like my girlfriend loves him and I can't

(59:16):
comprehend that she she's like so in love with like a gay
actor, like she just doesn't have a chance.
But in the real world, like I love Emma Stone, I don't have a
shot with her, but maybe she like just straight up never will
have a chance. Well, are we?
Are we talking about Jonathan Bailey here?
Yeah, yeah. I just don't get it.

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So I went in like wanting to hate this guy like, but he was
my favorite character. Like you guys said, he's the
best. OK, Well, I, I, I think we may
have to put out these rankings of J man, I'll be maybe I'll,
you know. What you put them out there?
My rankings are not as bad as Jax's like MCU predictions.
No, you're right. OK, on his way out he has to

(59:58):
throw in the. Roses.
Should I say it? Should I say it?
Should I say his line? Jurassic Park.
We're we're back. It's understand we're we're
back. He's going off the rails right
now. We, we, we don't, we don't want
like violence inside of the TDI world, but.
Never. Never.
But I am the one to bring it. OK, I.
Mean members. All right, Ricky, any other

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thoughts on these rankings or anything you want to give your
Mount Rushmore? Is it any different than mine?
Man, I would definitely do for Rushmore, for movies, Park
World, Lost World reluctantly, and I guess if by default it's
Rebirth, but I watched a minion give it a shot.

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And then for characters, I grew up, Brandt, Statler, Malcolm's
got to be in it. And then, yeah, I'll put Chris
Pratt Brady in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'll do that. Hammond.
I do like, you know, Miracle, 34th St.
I just like him as a character and actor, but can't do it.
Can't do it. No Newman.
There's a couple. Newman are we watching Jurassic

(01:01:02):
Park again? I'm like, Devin, this is
actually a pretty effective, like, minor villain, you know,
And also in 90s Seinfeld. All time slimeball.
Like he's a great slimeball. Yeah, and doesn't not getting
paid makes sense, but no, not inMount Rushmore of Jurassic Park.
Last thing, my last question, J Man, should we say Jurassic Park

(01:01:24):
expert or aficionado or JurassicWorld?
Or just Jurassic? I just like I might be your Dino
guy. Honestly, Dino, we can talk.
We can go like you want to talk finestros.
We can talk finestros like I'll do whatever you.
Want the Good Dinosaur? The Good Dinosaur is no way
before time. Yes, I'll agree with you there.
But good, we can do all that 65.What about We're Back a dinosaur

(01:01:48):
story? I honestly haven't seen that.
Is that the one with the really scary T Rex?
It's animated. Yeah.
Yes. It's like it starts off in the
museum. You have to go watch that.
That's a good one. I can do that streaming Rex.
Put it on, I'll find it. We should.
Be on. There, but we're back at
dinosaur like a dinosaur story like like that that'll get a

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couple comments all right thank you J man as always our Dino
expert at TDI thank you you're. Welcome.
All right, Ricky Flex, the main event of today's podcast, we
have to talk about a major theatrical release.
And no, it was not Jurassic World Rebirth.

(01:02:32):
It was Christopher Nolan, Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey
trailer. This has a very interesting
release because it's only in theaters.
Ricky Flex, when you were watching this, did you think you
weren't going to get it because it showed up after all the
trailers? And when the lights have dimmed

(01:02:54):
in the theaters, do you think there's a chance we were going
to miss out on the Odyssey trailer?
There is rumors that we were getting this right and I was
nervous that oh, it's only goingto be in special screenings like
in New York and LA and you know,at the Alamo Theater or some
special theater, right? But then I started seeing the
rumors that some people are seeing this.
Then it gets leaked online. You know, the Italian version of

(01:03:17):
this thing gets leaked online. I'm like holy crap, this looks
pretty real. So I'm in the theater this
weekend watching Jurassic World and there are 8 freaking
trailers. 30 minutes worth of trailers including Wiccan which
is Universal's baby right now. It seems like comes out this
fall, November and we get that and then they show us the AMC
bit and I'm like oh wow I didn'tget it.

(01:03:40):
And then all of a sudden the lights go dim and I see the
Odyssey come on and I'm like, holy shit, we're about to see
it. And then you get the Lugazamo
narration. You get burnt.
All you get Tom Holland, Sentimental Tom Holland.
Holy crap, we got it. I I had doubts, but we got it.

(01:04:02):
So I saw a different screening of Jurassic World Rebirth than
you. I was walking out of the theater
at around 10:00. You were going to see the movie
at 10:00 and as I was passing your car in the parking lot just
came to my mind. I'm like, he's probably watching
The Odyssey right now. He's probably seeing Christopher
Nolan's The Odyssey on the big screen as Christopher Nolan and

(01:04:24):
God intended. And I kind of love it.
I don't know how many trailers people get away with this.
I think it may may have paid like it may have been like part
of what is $320 million taken from like Jurassic World
Rebirth. Part of it has to be people that

(01:04:46):
want to see this trailer, that want to see it on a big screen.
Nolan's commitment to movie theaters.
I think that like if we said Jurassic World Rebirth, it has
like a 10% around tomatoes. No one's watching it and we
don't have to review it. I would still go see it to see
the Odyssey trailer and I have to see the first ever film.
I believe that shot entirely on IMAX cameras, right?

(01:05:09):
Isn't that true? Is that true?
So I know. So doing doing 3 is going to be
shot entirely in IMAX so I'm guessing no one was the 1st.
Dude, Messiah just got announcedthat's going to be entirely
IMAX, but I'm pretty sure that entirely IMAX will be the
Odyssey I'm pretty sure if Oppenheimer didn't do it

(01:05:30):
already, right? I, I, I think you're right.
I, I, I want to say you're right.
We can kind of look that up actually quickly, but also just
bringing up the narration. So before Bernthal takes over,
it doesn't sound like Lugazamo, John Lugazamo.
But you know the other rumor online of the other voice in the
trailer, which I didn't recognize, some people are

(01:05:51):
saying it was Robert Pattinson. It sounded like Robert Pattinson
to me. Yeah, and then the second voice
when it was like darkness, Zeus.Like apparently that was
Pattinson. So the Odyssey is going to be
the first boss blockbuster to beshot entirely with IMAX cameras.
And was it? And we talk about we talk about

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Denny Villeneuve kind of as likethe I guess, little brother to
Christopher Nolan, for lack of abetter term, like cousin, you
know, the next Christopher Nolan, someone who wants to kind
of like follow in his footsteps.This kind of also makes sense
that he is also shooting basically at the same time his
movie. Also an IMAX, but loved Robert

(01:06:36):
Pattinson. Probably Robert Pattinson and I
like how you can't tell it's Robert Pattinson if it is, which
means he's doing the freaky Robert Pattinson voice.
Whatever it's going to be, it's going to be freaky and it's
going to be something unorthodox.
That's why we love him in a supporting role.
Like we want him for those supporting roles for those
reasons. When he's not being the Batman
on Tom Holland, we only get a this a huge cast.

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We only get a couple faces, Tom Holland, John Bernthal and a
marauded. Is that the right term?
A marauder. What was it?
Was a marooned, marooned Matt Damon as Odysseus.
No face, No face. But you see him on a raft,
marooned. And we don't know.
Obviously it's the story of the Odyssey.

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Is he imprisoned, right? Is he adrift?
Is he dead? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Seeing Telemachus, the son of Odysseus, babyface Holland, back
at it again, that he will be forever 25 years old.
I think when we're watching movies, he will never be older
than 25. And he's a little bit of tears
going. I think.

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I don't know how much we're going to see of him, but it's
very much up it up, up his alley, what he's doing here.
But also Bernthal. Bernthal has kind of graduated
to the level of like, OK, right now I'm doing Christopher Nolan
movies. I'm in one of the only faces in
the trailer, but I'm also still just John Bernthal.
It's almost like what we saw with Denzel in Gladiator 2,

(01:08:02):
where it's, yeah, we're not going to make him have an accent
at all, where he's going to still be Jon Bernthal.
He's still going to be loud. He's still going to be a, you
know, booming with whatever he says.
And he's going to be asserted with whatever he says.
But it's still going to be set like ancient Greece.
You know what? To me, I kind of like that.
Don't try and get too fancy withit.

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That the lighting of the traileris pretty good, too.
I felt like I was watching like a Game of Thrones or I was
watching like Game of Thrones. Like almost mixed with Troy.
That's kind of what I thought I was watching.
I like those like those conversations holding the
chalices got like the the brown like togas that they're wearing.
This movie looks good. I it's obviously just a teaser,
but it feels like an event by the way, that they're

(01:08:44):
advertising at this point. Yeah, and I think you did a good
job kind of highlighting the setting and you know, like what
what this task is, right, What this movie is.
And I think kind of like transferring over to like the
epicness of it, the book, you know, it it being an epic, maybe
the original epic besides the Bible.
Like it is like a tall task to do this movie in this movie was

(01:09:08):
sorry, this trailer was kind of highlighting that with like, you
know, Bernthal kind of highlighting the legend of
Odysseus, you know, and saying he's rich or he's poor, like he
won an unwinnable war, like stuff like that.
Kind of just raising up the legend of, oh, that your main
character, right? And that's again, a good teaser,
right? You're teasing the audience of
this legend of your protagonist here, right?

(01:09:32):
And again, like some saying Jon Bernthal's Emmaus or whatever,
like the loyal servant to Odysseus slash Tomekas,
whatever. So that kind of makes sense
here, but maybe get a little frustrated by the lack of his
absence. But overall, like I do think
this trailer gave us a good tease on the overall epicness of
the story of this movie. And also the protagonist and

(01:09:55):
John Birnthal, if he is playing Emmaus, whatever however you
pronounce it, that's a big role.That is a big role.
Are you saying what I think you're saying?
No, I'm not going to start the hype the Oscar bandwagon here,
but I will start hyping up this role like I I tweeted out like
this could be the greatest 5 minutes of his career.

(01:10:16):
I think he's going to be in a lot more of this movie than.
I He's had a lot of great 5 minutes in his career.
He's had a lot of good. He only give him 5 minutes.
You can name project after project, but John Berthel best
as supporting actor. Give him 5 minutes to cook and
then get him out of there. But I it seems like this is
going to be a full blown role, not just a 5 minute cameo.
And I love that for him. That's huge for him.

(01:10:36):
That's sick. It is sick.
I can't wait to see more parts of this movie but not too much
the such a crazy cast for this. We're going to see all the gods
and goddesses and then we're going to get eventually a shot
of Odysseus himself with Matt Damon.
God, I can't wait for it. It was definitely worth going to
see Jurassic World rebirth because I got to see that they

(01:10:58):
have the lights dim for it. And so like, hey, we're and
we're not even including this trailer with the other trailers.
It's just not the other ones aren't worthy.
You know this is. When you already did wicked
which is like. Which is also universal, yeah.
It's crazy. It just shows the importance of
this movie that's a year away. Crazy and.

(01:11:20):
That's how much the hype engine has commenced like that's how
much it has been revved up. That's how much everyone just no
one drives right Non IP dude. That's what he does see.
Literally said no one is bigger IP than the Wizard of Oz.
Yes, that's basically what they said, yes.
But do you consider the Odyssey IP Who's who's belong to Homer?

(01:11:44):
I'm saying Christopher Nolan like.
Yeah, I know. I know what you're saying.
I'm just saying like like if it was a Nolan original, if it was
a Nolan movie not based on anything, I bet it still would
have been there after Oppen since since it's the movie after
Oppenheimer, you know I. Agree.
I agree even though like again like it's crazy after the
success of Wicked last year, theOscar run, the box office, the
Peacock streaming and the stars and that too.

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It's just like it doesn't matter.
This is bigger. Yes, OK, that's our trailer
reaction to The Odyssey and it does for episode 470 of TDI.
Make sure you guys are followingthe pod this Friday.
We have the checkup, but we alsohave our bold predictions for

(01:12:26):
James Gunn's Superman Monday's review.
I would subscribe to the pod because there's a good chance
that after we see Superman, we're also going to be doing
maybe a quick 20 minutes after we see the movie, an instant
reaction upon seeing the movie. I will not guarantee that, but I
would say follow the feed because we don't know exactly

(01:12:49):
what they were seeing yet when the pod would come out.
Follow us all weekend though, because there's a good chance
that that will happen Monday. You'll get the full review and
then we'll talk about and tomorrow we'll talk about
anticipated DC projects coming up after Superman.
And then we are officially goingto be moving past the summer of
Superman and into the rest, I guess the summer of Fantastic

(01:13:12):
Four. First steps, I guess that's
coming up next. But think about that.
Jurassic World and then we Jurassic Park movie, Superman
movie week, week and week off. And then here comes God damn
Fantastic Four. Maybe two weeks off Whatever.
Don't. Because.
Eddington is in between Supermanand Fantastic Four.

(01:13:35):
Yeah, Eddington's the 18th I right, I think.
Yeah, with I know you did last summer.
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