SUPERMAN Spoiler-Review & Deep-Dive, Superman Movie Rankings & Most-Anticipated DCU Projects

Episode Rundown:

- Spoiler-Review (w/DCU Correspondent Big Mike) (12:16)

- Superman Movie and Supermen Rankings (1:20:48)

- Most-Anticipated DCU Movies (1:32:59)

Episode Transcript

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This is the Drive In podcast Take One.

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Howdy Doody. Welcome to episode 472 of TDI.
This is Doctor O on the Horn to start per usual and as always
I'm joined by my Co host, my best friend and David Corn Sweat

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super fan Ricky Flex. How are you my friend?
Are you excited to talk a littlemore soups?
Little bit more soups, a lot of metahumans, and the official
start of the DCU. We are back.
We are ready and geared up for James Gunn's DC Universe.
So this is a follow up conversation to Friday's

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episode. We did our bold predictions
which we should recap today. I think we had a successful
round of bold predictions. This time Ricky fucks.
It was a good rebound from Thunderbolts and that was a huge
swing in a mess. But we narrowed the amount of
predictions. We increase the hit rate.
I think we're on to something special.

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Can't wait to do it for Fantastic Four and we can
replicate success. But we are going to do a spoiler
review today. We gave her instant reactions.
We going to hear our instant reactions leaving the theater.
Go check out Friday's episode. But today spoilers, details
we're getting down to the nitty gritty little deep dive with
Superman and we wouldn't be ableto do this podcast, I guess

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correctly without our official DC correspondent.
Big Mike is here. Welcome back to the pod.
Mike. I want to know I'll just how you
doing Like it's good to have youback.
It's been since when Lord of therings draft.
When's the last time you were onhere?
I don't remember, I think it's over a year ago show that should

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not be named like season 2 came out so.
Wait, wait, wait. What are we talking about now?
Oh, you know, the Amazon atrocity.
Oh. Oh, Power, I think that's my
season 1. Oh, so you're not?
Did you watch? There was a second.
I I gave up after the second episode.

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I was just like, this is I have power through the first season.
The second season couldn't do it.
I legit didn't know what you were talking about.
You were like the show that shouldn't be named.
I'm like what is this Voldemort ass show that?
He's talking what? OK.
Well, Mike, it's great to have you back.
Ricky and I were. Both.

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Positive in terms of our reactions to Superman, we
thought overall, fun time, greatsummer blockbuster, you know,
has its flaws, but I want to know what was your experience
like? When did you see it?
Was it a packed theater? Tell tell me about it.
It wasn't packed. It was maybe 60% full, but I

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mean, it was good. I will say the more comedic
moments fell flat in my theater.No one really.
No, yeah, it was, it was a good mix of people demo wise.
But like, yeah, it was, I know Iwas whelmed.
I I was, I guess my expectationswere a little too high because I

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was surprised going into it. I thought I would like it more
than Man of Steel. And I actually came out and
going like, I think Man of Steelhas aged better than this movie
will. Wow, OK.
Like, I don't think the movie's going to age well.
Oh interesting, because I I saw for a second time on Saturday

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and I liked it better the secondtime I saw it.
It should be interesting. As we go down the line, we get
more DCU projects, we see the differences in tone.
I, I wonder cause like some Marvel movies that might be a
little bit, you know, the, the comedic elements of those Marvel
movies sometimes don't age well.The CGI doesn't age too well.

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I could see like a look of this movie maybe, you know, kind of
being in that ballpark where you're talking about not aging
as well, 'cause like the Snyder,like Man of Steel.
I, I rewatched that in preparation to talk about
Superman and that movie just looks spectacular.
Like the Krypton, that first 15 minutes, it's spectacular.

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No one's on Krypton better than Zack Snyder.
So visually, I see what you're saying.
Ricky Flex. What do you think?
Do you think this movie's going to age well down the line?
I totally agree with the visual aspects.
I think Superman 2025 it doesn'tlook bad.
I think we were. That was one of my two big
concerns with the movie when I saw the trailers and some of the
screenshot or some of the shots,stills of the movie before it

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was released over the past like 6 months in the promo here, I I
was really nervous. Same cinematography as The
Flash, which did not look good or does not look good.
I was very nervous. I think it passed.
I do think it passed. I just think I think Mike's
right where it's like aging. It's like, yeah, maybe this
passes and it works, the CGI andthe visual effects, but it's not
like again, Man of Steel, Zack Snyder, that's what that's just

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like bread and butter. You know, James Gunn's bread and
butter isn't necessarily visually appealing, visually
star striking, right? So I'm Man of Steel that should
age well because that's Zack Snyder's specialty.
That's not James Gunn's specialty.
I think him like letting the VFXpeople work for a whole year
after imposed production. There's a reason for that,
right? So I agree with Mike, but I

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think it was fine. Like I, I don't think it's bad
as of today, July 13th. I wasn't like, so I actually
found myself looking forward to the action scenes.
I think I we're talking with thewriter of scooby-doo, scooby-doo
2 monsters unleashed here. Like I don't think James Gunn is
a fantastic writer. So some of his scenes I the

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pacing was off like when they were doing the mock interview.
I found that OK, this scene is about like 3 minutes longer than
it needs to be. And like I was, I was just I
found myself. I want actually the best parts.
I think I didn't mine corn sweatSuperman by the way, he captured
what Cavill had a hard time capturing, and that probably is

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related to the writing a lot of it.
But I his interactions with other people I like the most,
especially the other heroes in it.
But some of the the visuals werefine, like Lex with the monkey
thing. I was like, what the fuck is
that? Like?
Like that's just like, and I know James Gunn's probably right

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in that and it's like this gun blow the house down.
This is so funny and my you can hear a pin drop in my theater.
I think everyone else was like, what the fuck?
I say the funniest moment unintentionally was hot girl
screaming, though. Heck, I laughed at that.
By my least favorite part of themovie, I.
Was like I was. Like what the hell?
Is that I was not a hot girl person.
I think she was severely underwritten and I think also

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just that screech. I found it annoying.
I thought it was unbearable. I love her in that movie.
Instant family with Mark Mark, Mark Wahlberg and that.
Out of all the shit that Isabel Merced is in, she's like in Last
of Us. She's.
I didn't like this. Last of Us.
Season 2 I love season 1 season.Two, I think she's.
Good in Last of Us though. I think she was the best, I
think. She was a good, Yeah, she she

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was one of the best parts of it.I all I'm saying is I like her
and other stuff. I don't think she's a bad
actress. Our.
DC correspondent, by the way, Tolkien correspond is bringing
up instant family with Marky Mark.
I, I think this I MM is a great person to have on this pod
though, because I I think you are the biggest cavil fan that I

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know. Like we need we are.
I would say we're pro James Gunnmore so than pro Zack Snyder.
Like we need a little more. Balance here.
I I am not like a Snyder versus like it was a Snyder.
Head. I'm not.
I I wasn't upset that James Gunngot and I was like, Snyder is
great for a movie to do a whole universe.

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Like maybe if it's 300 for DC like he.
Would have you're ADC elseworld project like if Watchmen was
like me today. Exactly.
Like he's zipper 1 offs if he needs things that can.
He's too polarizing like that was we that's retreading.
Like people have said that, but I think gun has some really good
parts. Like he did the campiness of

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Superman right. And like I did like corn sweat.
His voice changed when he was Clark Kent versus Superman,
which is a nice little like touch.
Like just shows like a differentpersonality.
But like the whole I wouldn't want this type of energy and
tone like some rumors are like James Gunn's gonna direct the
Brave and the Bold and Batman are like, I'd stay 100 feet away

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from that. Just don't touch Batman.
Just would not worry. It would not work.
Because if this movie told me anything, it was it wasn't
Batman. West Maybe it would, but.
Like, like James, Yeah. If he was to make it like Adam
West, that's 100% like. Like he would get so much hate.
The sequel to Batman 66. Then you get James Gunn writing
it. But this told me.
Might do that because I don't know if some stuff he's done.

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He knows his strengths and weaknesses.
I now running the studio. He's he's, yeah.
He cares. I think Catherine's there to
rein him in. Yeah, but we got to make some
money here. But this movie also told me and
I was talking about with Ricky on Friday, the like you, you
it's such a a legacy, you know, superhero character.
It started like the superhero movie basically, and like the

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blockbuster potential of it with, you know, Richard Donner
Superman. So I didn't know how much James
Gunn was just going to beat James Gunn and infuse all his
humor, you know, have like the the needle drops, you know, be
like like, I guess Hallmark James Gunn, like I follow his
like trade trading cards, you know, follow his like traits and

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he really was himself. This was really a joke, a second
type of movie. As much like I thought they were
going to do, like the music, obviously it was a, you get to
clearly tell it was inspired by John Williams's theme.
And but then like, he's tapped under a little bit.
I know the whole, yeah, he did. And then like the whole about

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the message from his parents look, Superman, the movie has
more legacy involved than and even Man of Steel because like
they talk like he Russell Crowe has a pretty big role.
Kevin. I didn't see enough of the Kents
like Kevin Costner. Like the?
Whole legacy stuff. I was like, I'm not.
I did think it was a good movie.It sounds like I'm trying to I

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can go into what I like, but like I just the original title
was Superman Legacy. You think there's going to be
more like like legacy, more talking about his family?
It's. Good that they removed that.
The dichotomy between Kent versus Krypton, the House of
hell, like you thought that was going to go into it a little bit
more and they kind of just spoke, you know?

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I didn't. It took until the right before
the last act for him to even acknowledge his parents.
This movie would have had a lot of, you know, backlash if it was
called Superman Legacy and you had a Jorel take that you get in
this movie. You know, yeah, I think that's
why they changed it. Like, I get it if they watch

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Superman Legacy, oh, 'cause it'sa legacy.
His parents mess. I'm like, but that's literally
the only thing about his parentsthat's in that movie, that
message, nothing else. We will get to this.
We have to organize here. We're fine.
The the review has already started.
Mike coming. Here.
He's talking about instant family, he's talking Rings of

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Power, instant family with MarkyMark.
He's basically giving us his whole thoughts on the movie in a
nutshell before the review even starts.
But I guess we're well under way.
We are well under way so we usually do Rotten Tomatoes, IMDb
and synopsis. You guys have probably seen the
movie. Rotten.
Tomatoes 82% Critics score 93% Audience score IMDb 7.7 out of

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10 Synopsis Superman must reconcile his alien Kryptonian
heritage with his human upbringing as reporter Clark
Kent. As the embodiment of truth,
justice in the human way. He soon finds himself in a world
that views these as old fashioned.
All right, IMDb, that's where you get the synopsis.
Let's I want to take off basically with something I want

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to talk, I want to take off withSuperman himself.
I want to talk about David Corn Sweat.
Ricky, we didn't really talk much about him with the instant
reactions. It was kind of saving it for
this podcast. We could do like a deeper dive
on it. We want to keep Friday's episode
a little bit shorter, at least that segment.
But how do you think Corn Sweat did, right?
So we were both positive on the movie, right?
Is it because of corn sweat? Like how much do you think that?

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How well did he do in taking up this mantle?
Yeah, I think like what Mike, Big Mike was saying over here
earlier about like this movie's little campy and whatnot, like
getting back to kind of like what 1978 Superman was, right?
Christopher Reeve. I think it was a nice change of
pace from what we got with Zack Snyder's Superman and Henry
Cavill, right? Henry Cavill, very intense, and

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that fit the darker Snyder verse, right?
And I think Cavill as the movieswent on, started to kind of
figure it out a little bit more or try to, you know, Pam back to
the Christopher Reeves there a little bit, not to the same
campiness, but still a little bit more lightheartedness.
But again, like I think this with the James Gunn behind corn
sweat here was really again, could really go back to Hey,

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Superman Boy Scout original roots.
Like this guy is all American strong, but vulnerable at the
same time, has a lot of internalstruggles, but also he's
literally invincible. Like it was a good combative
humanity, like humanity of Superman.
I think course, what was good, you know, young and hungry, you

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know, like you could see like this one, like he's trying to
enter, like enter, intervene in wars and whatnot, right, because
he thinks that's the right thingto do.
But like he's young and ambitious, you know, hungry,
right. And he also he looks the part.
He does look the part, so overall I did like him.
Is he my favorite Superman? No, but I think it's a great
start for him and again, a change of pace from what we just
got with the Snyderverse. Yeah, it is.

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It was a change of pace. And I thought when this movie,
when I first saw it and I got the sense of what the tone was
going to be, I saw the trailers and things like that.
I'm like, oh, he's trying to be like Christopher Reeve, you
know, like Brandon Ralph, like II'm supposed to be basically
Christopher Reeve reincarnated. I thought that's like what we
were going to get. But honestly, his Superman is

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unlike any other Superman we've seen.
And it's a sharp contrast to Henry Cavill, who is like stoic
and a lot of times emotion less or he's like brooding.
And it was, you could tell Man of Steel is made at the time of,
you know, The Dark Knight trilogy.
You got Nolan producing like Manof Steel and Batman VS Superman,
like totally different. This one, you have like a lot of

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emotions with David Corn sweat. He's super Moody.
He's not. He gets mad at Lois Lane, like
Lois Lane like goes at this Clark Kent and this Superman and
like previous iterations like like Lois Lane, like in the 78
Superman like fawns over like Clark Kent and it's not really
there. It's like they're kind of have

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their relationships on the rockslike 3 months in.
I think also he's funny, corn sweats funny in this movie.
And I think you have to have some comedic timing to do a
James to be a lead in the James Gunn movie.
You know, at times like sometimes like it was a little
over the top like I'm doing, I'mdoing important stuff over here.
Those type of lines like that. I don't love the dialogue there,

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but I do think for the most partthe lines hit.
I think it's great one-on-one with Lois Lane, the interactions
with the other members of the Justice Gang.
You could tell he is a differenttype of superhero.
I think that he is just something we haven't seen before
and I'm not going to rule out hecould become like the definitive
Superman. I I I think we have to wait till

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more movies come out. But I think it's different
enough from Christopher Reeve and it's been enough time where
this is really I think the DC off to a good start.
This guy could be the center of the universe by what I saw Mike
like what are your thoughts on corn sweat, I guess coming in
comparison to Cavil and Reeve. How do you do taking up the
mantle? Well, some of my favorite scenes

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are I look forward to is like, Ilike that one thing with Man of
Steel they didn't do a good job of and Batman VS Superman, they
don't show the reporter aspect, which actually there's a lot of
scenes, the original Superman that take place in the Daily
Planet. So that was cool.
It was nice touch and I like it that they had a lot of scenes.

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Honestly, for a sequel, I love for it to be like, just go all
the way on the reporter angle and be like, there's like
working with Lois and Jimmy and trying to like connect the dots
type of thing and be like almostlike a, you know, like not newer
movie because that'd be too dark, but you know what I mean?
Like have like a investigative reporter and story be the center

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of the movie. And that means you take for
Superman too. But yeah, I thought Gordon Sweat
was I I did like what he did with it.
I was more impressed than I thought he would be.
So that I thought he did give echoes of what was the both

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Christopher Reeve, but then alsothe animated Superman.
Like, I thought it was nice touch.
So like, he's in the middle of, you know, battle in Metropolis
and he's saving squirrels. And dogs and.
Stuff that that's like straight out what would have been in that
cartoon. So that was good.
And yeah, I the reason why I'm talking about like Ma and PA

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Kent and things like that, because like it did show like
the family relationship, like the more American human side of
Superman that, you know, the movie saying about it like that,
you know, show, don't tell, likethat shows it right there.
But also Lois Lane, I thought though they had great
interactions. I like original boss and I had a
lot. I thought I wish he had more, to

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be honest. And I already said I enjoyed all
the interactions he had with others as well.
So yeah, I was impressed. I thought you did a good job for
someone that like relatively unknown because like Henry
Cavill was in The Tudors and some other big projects count to
Monte Cristo I knew. You were going to bring that
out. No, but like he was in, he's
been in big films before, Man ofSteel and you know, corn sweat.

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This is his first big blockbuster so.
Yeah, I I do think there's timeswhere I don't know if I found it
annoying how much he was willingto save anything that was living
like the squirrel. Like I was like, it's just a
little bit OD, you know, this isa little bit too much here.
Or it's like the big Kaiju and he's like, we have to bring it

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to intergalactic zoo. I'm like, what are we talking
about? But I think the scene with Paw
Kent, like he was great with Rachel Brosnahan but him also
that Paw Kent scene I thought was amazingly done.
The only conversation that doesn't have a joke in it,
honestly. That's all the serious comments.
There's a joke. I mean laughter.
Like let it. Let us marinate.

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But that that conversation like grounds the character.
You know it. It shows you like why he is the
way he is. Like his upbringing, his his
like adoptive parents like showed him it wasn't Jorrell,
right? And Zara, who like they're
telling him what to do and he hears that first half the
message. But what really brings him his

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humanity and him wanting to do good.
It's how he was raised in Kansas.
That's why I love those castings.
I think that that conversation made me want a little bit more
of the parents in this movie, Maand Pod Kent, especially Pod
Kent. But Pod Kent, the big old mush
can't get through a line withoutcrying, to be honest.
And I thought it was a pretty like.
Realistic and genuine type of casting that you get for a

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Kansas farmer. It's not Kevin Costner, you
know, doing it. It's like a guy you believe is a
farmer and grew up with humble like a humble childhood and a
humble, you know, home. That's what it feels like a
little bit. But Ricky, do you think it was a
little OD with how I guess humane or like I guess anti
killing, you know that we have from corn sweat here?

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I'll say this, I I actually did not mind it and let me tell you
why I was rewatching on the Superman's.
I actually, I was rewatching on the Christopher Reeve Superman.
I watched one through 4 this week, all right.
And every single one of them, there's a montage of him saving
a cat like in Superman 1 or somestupid thing.
And even in the biggest fight scenes, his true kryptonite and

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fight scenes is when the villainor whoever he's fighting is
starting to harm harmless civilians, right?
Whether it's Superman one or Superman 4 with nuclear man
hurting random taxi drivers likeit is always Superman.
He will leave the battle to saveothers like he does in this
movie or even a squirrel. So I actually didn't mind that.

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I think the part where maybe it's OD is what you said Doc of
like Kaiju zoo, like what do youdo that that was ridiculous.
But him actually during a fight,team going to save, a child
going to save. I forget the guy, but the food
guy that ends up getting killed during the fight leaving the
fight to save others. That is Superman in a nutshell.

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And that is his true weakness ina fight is his inability to not
save others right? Instead of tackling against the
villain. One thing that you talked about
on Friday, Ricky, is the idea ofmaybe you didn't get enough
moments with corn sweat as Superman.
Like iconic like that is the moment, you know, when I
watched, I was looking for that.And the second time I watched

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it, I'm like, I'm watching literally for corn sweat.
And I I found that when he basically leaves the movie, he's
with Metamorpho, he's in like the dimension prison, all all
other dimension prison. I forgot what they called it.
But when he's there, the music, the movie does lose some steam.
And like the supporting cast is great, like like Lois Lane and

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Daily Planet. Ginny Olson was like a surprise,
like awesome character in this movie.
I think what they're doing and their investigation, then the
justice gangs a part of it. I like the most of those
performances too. But when corn sweat's not there,
the movie does lose some juice. And that's how, you know, like
he has it, you know, he's the guy like I was missing like
Superman when we weren't going to get him because you always

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have that moment in the Supermanmovie where oh, oh, he's out.
He's out. He's out of Commission.
The kryptonite got him. You know, I was missing him in
those. But that those moments there,
how about you, Mike, Like I guess, did he anchor this movie
down? Did did you find that the second
act of this movie was, you know,kind of lackluster because there
was a lack of Superman? Yeah, I.

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I mean, it's a common trope. Like you got deep power.
Superman so much. Although this is probably the
weakest I've ever seen Superman in a movie.
Yeah, they they like showed him get his ass kicked a few times.
They even had Ultraman beat him,like, you know who basically
he's going to become Bizarro, I think.

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But like, you don't usually see that.
So it's other than like, Zod. So that was kind of interesting.
But yeah, I thought you anchor the movie.
Yeah. I found myself looking forward,
like I said, most of the time, unless it was Luther, I was
looking forward to like an action scene coming up.
So. I 'cause I actually think.

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Luther anchor the movie. Wow.
Yeah, I like I like this take, but all guy add him to the
bandwagon. Yes, Nick Holt, my guy.
But Ricky, what I meant to say too, I just kind of lost my
train of thought. I was talking about missing
David Corn. So when he was in the movie, but
the moments that I noticed, it'swhen he's saving the kid, like
the iconic slow MO shot of like those tanks or those, you know,

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those there was like those yellow like gas tanks that are
flying. And then he's saving the girl
that iconic like slow. That's an iconic slow MO shot.
There are times where he is, he comes back into the fray and he
recovers from kryptonite, has the conversation with podcast
and then he carries that building and then you have him
ascending and you see him like going through the clouds of
smoke and he's there in all his glory.

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I'm like, those are moments. There's times where James Gunn
is like flying scenes they're zooming in on like the logo.
They did like 3 times in this movie.
I'm like, I I feel like this movie after watching a second
time did have those moments, Ricky, that maybe you didn't
catch the first time, but but did you?
All right, we. Always rat or a rag on snack
Snyder for using slow MO. Yeah, all right.

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There was a. Lot of slow.
MO in this movie and I think theslow MO wasn't like what Snyder
uses it for, which is actually for the action sequences.
This one felt like they were trying for the memorable shots.
It didn't feel like it was a part of the action sequence to
make it like a better scene. It felt like, oh, look how look
at this memorable moment. That's what I felt like in every
slow MO shot. And you know what?
Every slow MO shot that was in the movie, it was in, it was in

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all the trailers now. Well.
Yes, yes. So that tells me.
Yes, They were only doing it fornot just the trailers, but also
to say, wow, look at this and look at it in slow MO.
Yeah, but I do think also. Iconic moment like the moment I
was like the second time I watched it like I felt like I
was levitating from my seat is when the Raptor scene where he

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basically takes down the clone the first time before he has to
fight the clone again and he goes up with crypto and he they
have the slow MO of him punchingthe Raptor in the face.
You have like the 4th wall brickwith like the teeth hitting the
camera and then him sending him across the freaking sky.
But him with the like him lasering those Raptors in rapid,

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you know, going in rapid circles.
I was like, damn, like this is fire.
This is fire right now. It though that is, I thought the
we talked about the fight scenesand the look of the movie.
It peaked right there. It was like, wow.
Like they're really sending it home in the third act.
I thought they killed it with that shot, Mike.
No, yeah. I like the action scenes.
I think the aging well is like, I do think some of the dialogue

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isn't great. I don't I, I, I, I can tell you
honestly, well, right now, some of the story of Peacemaker just
objectively story versus story. Beast Maker had a better
storyline and I never expected though I've said that and that's
why I was disappointed. A lot of exposition Y.
Type of lines we were talking about that I cannot.

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Stand that in a movie, I don't explain to me what's happening I
any any genre like I. Like.
Crazy. You know the.
Shit that gets. Me like grinds my gears is when
you have like Mr. Terrific and Lois Lane save Superman from the
pocket dimension, them going back to the ship and then you
have Mr. Terrific say you can fly the ship.

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It's super intuitive, this, thisthat.
I'm like like. Like that type of thing I.
Hate where it's like, yeah, now we believe she could drive the
ship, but that's like the can't be in courtiness and fun of the
movie. That's where it's like, you
usually don't see that because Ifeel like people love superhero
movies that are realistic. They want to feel like it could
happen. You know, this movie is not
afraid to be like, yeah, we're in a different universe here.

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Like this is not New York, this is not Cleveland, you know, this
is Metropolis and these are fakecountries.
This is the world that we're building.
You believe it just because it make you feel like you're in a
comic book. So they get away with some of
that shit, you know, honestly. But back to the writing, the
exposition type of lines, a lot of it has to do with like this
is the first movie in the DCU and it's not a origin story.

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It's like we have to know the world around us.
Give us a little context. And that's why I like those
first couple acts like some conversations feel like a lot of
yadda yadda type of, you know, lines, right?
Yeah. And I I I could make an.
Argument in the third act, too. There was some not expositiony,
but some dialogue that's trying to make up for some story plot
points. Yeah, especially with Lex Luthor

(28:28):
and oh, you had my. DNA, that's how you got it.
I was just like, I knew that washow they got in, but like, they
probably should have figured outa different way from them to get
in. Because like, like if he had the
clone of the hair, that might have been like, remember he said
he made the clone from a piece of hair.
If he had kept the hair and thencame there and said, you know,

(28:48):
it's like a lock from his head or something.
Even with Ultraman, because likethat gave it right away.
It's a clone. Exactly.
That's like. Right away.
They did give it away, like basically when he was able to
enter the fortress. It's like oh Superman can only
enter the fortress, there probably is a clone or Superman
like it was a giveaway early on and the five.

(29:09):
Of like a piece of his hair thenmaybe you know you can still
maybe believe Ultraman is actually like just someone else.
But we we also. Talked about like the clone,
like we talked about like Superman.
Will Corn Sweat actually be playing multiple parts in this
movie? I want you were kind of nervous
of that and basically when he took that mask off and we were

(29:31):
in the theaters, I looked at youto kind of be like, oh, you did
it. He's playing two different
parts. How do you think that played
Ricky Flex? Did they actually land it?
I know it wasn't much of AI guess we talked about it wasn't
much of a surprise because it kind of was like a giveaway when
they enter the fortress that he is the clone.
But how did it land for you in the third act?
So like. Again, I was against Cornspett
playing two roles, right? And I think a big part of that

(29:53):
because I thought if they did dothis where he was playing two
people, I thought it'd be a bigger set amount of time,
right? Like I think back to like
Superman 4 went a Quest for Peace where Lex Luthor literally
uses a hair, like same thing uses a hair from Superman and
makes a clone. But it's not it's not Clark

(30:14):
Kent, it's Nuclear Man, right? And it looks completely
different, but they use the same.
I thought that's what it was going to be, right?
They didn't do that. And I thought they did a good
job. Only it was only like 5 minutes
if you really look at it. So that's what you do.
And it's a dumb version of Superman where he has no lines
so you don't have to worry about, oh, they sound the same,
or does he sound that dumb or anything like that.

(30:35):
And they had the same powers, right?
So I thought the way they actually framed it was really
well done. So overall, I'm fine with it.
I wish it. Was just straight up like a
show. He takes it off and he looks
like bizarre, like he's deformedor whatever.
I know people might think of doomsday and BBS, but I think
people's memories are short because like it's not going to
look like a gigantic monster. He's like same size.

(30:57):
And the reason why is just reminds me remember like the
first phase or two of Marvel, every villain was just the
opposite of aside from Thor and Captain.
It was just the Oh no, even Captain America Red Skull just
has a transformation with the the serum.
It's a the villain is the opposite of the hero.
Like it just remind me of that and they did a good job with it.

(31:19):
I was just like I I am. I really hope the sequel has
like brainiac or something just like enough with the Zod and the
clones like or do like parasite.But yeah, that's what I was
thinking. That's where like.
It's interesting you bring up Zod because when you look at
what they did with Jorel and hislike conversation with Superman
or not, or is it the the recording and him saying

(31:41):
basically create a harem and he's like collect as many wives
as you can. He's like conquer Earth
basically. You know, it kind of was a
combination of like the first half.
God, that's what he wanted. So like, what's the whole
conflict with the House of El? Exactly, that's all I'm saying.
Like the first half of that message is pure like Jor El,
what you get in the movies typically.

(32:02):
The second-half is like combining what Zod thinks too.
So I wonder if Zod is even goingto be a part of the story at
all. You know, I feel like we have
had enough Zod. We've had two movies.
So I feel like James Gunn's like, we're not going to do
that. We're not going to have Zod in
this one. Instead, let's go to like
Ultraman. Let's go to basically Bizarro at
the end of this movie. Maybe they can grow that
character into Bizarro when he goes in this black hole and

(32:23):
creates his planet. Like the Earth backwards, I
think is like the planet. I forgot to pronounce it.
It's not even a word, but the Earth backwards where Pizarro's
from. So maybe has his own like world
in that black hole and then he comes back later on in the
universe. He's around, he's available.
But yeah, it opens up the door Ithink for like Brainiac.
I think that would be a great guy to have here as well.

(32:43):
And also like corn sweat didn't really have to do much acting,
you know, like with he didn't. He wasn't the main, main bad
guy. He was the the henchman, but
amazing horror movie. He didn't.
It wasn't like, Oh my God, how is he going to juggle these two
things? You're right, 5 minutes, no
talking. And what do you think of Lex
calling out the shots, calling out all the moves he had, the

(33:06):
3000 different moves he had beenstudying over the three years,
obsessing over Superman, figuring out ways he's going to
destroy him. Mike, did you like the idea of
him going the one A1? A1A type of thing I actually
kind. Of liked it.
That's the nice twist I had is because like he's actually like
biting him. And I think in today's audience

(33:27):
everyone does like, I don't know, I don't do it.
I'm not a gamer, but like there's Twitch and all this
other stuff like in E sports arehuge.
So like it's probably got a lot of those people, you know, a
lot. There's a lot of crossover with
comics fans in that audience. So they probably, it probably
was nice out of them. But yeah, I thought that was
great. I just want to touch on this odd
thing one more. I, I think that the, the

(33:50):
second-half of that message is altered and I wonder if it's
altered Brainiac altered it because it was lost in
transmission and I, there's no way I and it's also Bradley
Cooper huge. I think you're going to read
you're they're going. To renege it like.
They're going to, they're going to, you know what I mean?
I. Do not think that.
Message that yeah, no, I think that's going to come out that
that's not really what said and Luther was because like who

(34:12):
knows Kryptonian O28 linguists like that?
That makes no sense. But like anyways, what you're
saying about Luther fight, did you notice what color the Raptor
suits were? Purple and.
Green. That's the color of the Iron Man
like suit that Lex Luthor eventually uses.
So maybe he will actually suit up and fight.

(34:36):
Superman. That's exactly what I was going
to. Say, though, I I think this
movie sets up for a Yeah, I do. I think it does.
A good job with the and especially with him doing the.
One A1A like him fighting but it's not not yet, but now it's
like this movie again. This Lex Luthor is different
than Eisenberg and Hackman or the big KS where like he

(34:57):
literally only hates him becausehe's an immigrant alien, right?
Versus like Hackman, it's like Superman got involved on his
business interests and now he hates Superman, right?
Like literally it's just envy and jealousy.
That's the Lex Luthor hates him.So this one-on-one fight again
with the technology again in thethe animated series, slash
animated movies do a great job with Lex Luthor, I think

(35:18):
building him up to eventually fight one-on-one in the suit.
And I think this movie kind of sets up down the line to do that
third. Movie.
By chance, and then also just quickly on the Zod thing too.
We saw Zod right in Man of Steelagain after Superman 2, but we
also saw Zod in the flash. Dude we saw recently in the
Flash. And this movie, literally.

(35:40):
Because they basically said in this I, I disagree with Mike.
I I think you cannot renege on this movie because if you renege
on the Doral thing now, because if you do, you're kind of like
say like, Oh, well, this whole family, like the ending of this
movie is him looking at his, hisat the Kents.
He will re neg that. He will re neg a bunch of that.
So I just think like they kind of just said, we're not going to

(36:02):
tackle the Zod thing. We're not going to tackle
anything with Krypton and anything that we do, we're going
to do in Supergirl because Supergirl.
It's going to be like about like.
Again, her like, again, I think that's to be more about that,
like actually Krypton and whatnot and they're going to
keep it out of Superman because it's been done so much with
Superman in the past. You, you can't reckon.
You can't reckon because. We have to that's like that's

(36:24):
such like a huge mythos that they just I know and that's why
I. Hated it.
I mean, I come. Back Let's get into it Let's get
into it. One thing I want to say about.
Luther, Ricky was you made me think of it while you were
talking. Shoot.
All right. This odd thing took I it took my
attention. It was something about Luther.
Sorry. It'll pop back up.

(36:46):
Yeah, go ahead. But you you can't retcon.
Because think about the most famous like a version I can
think of retcon or something andgoing terribly wrong or it just
felt like confusion inside the universe was Star Wars between a
last Jedi to rise of Skywalker when they started a retcon and
they change Ray's background. Everyone's like what the Frick
are we doing here? You know, like what is like the

(37:08):
vision here? I agree you can't change it and
to go into the decision, this isthe most because I think the
characters are very honest to the comic book versions.
Lex freaking hates you. I think that I think.
They're not that. The whole Jorell mythos proves
that they're No, I'm no, I'm saying that.
Yeah, OK, so let me just go here.
So like I'm saying, Lex hates Superman, Superman's the Boy

(37:28):
Scout, Lois Lane, hard hitting journalist.
You know, I I think those the characters are comic book
accurate for the most part, the core 3.
But I'm saying the biggest change that people are going to
have issues with is the Jorell thing.
But when you look at versions ofSuperman, you look at Zack
Snyder, Donner, and now James Gunn, not counting Bryant

(37:50):
Singer, just whatever. Just movie does that movie so
irrelevant but sorry. You have to change the law.
Somehow you have to separate it.You got to make something
different. You know, like Superman kills
somebody in Man of Steel. He kills.
Odd. This was it.
Absolutely reactionary to like Man of steels.
Like Superman has not killed anybody in this movie.
Like he's not even coming close.He's saving God damn squirrels.

(38:12):
He's trying to send kaijus to intergalactic zoos like that.
He's not killing a thing. But this one, this is the change
he decided to make. I, I, I don't know what else.
You would have done, you know what else was on the table here,
But I, I, I don't have as much of A backlash with it because
like, these things happen with, you know.
When? You take on iconic lore, you
have to make it your own in someway, you know?

(38:35):
So that's why I'm saying I'm kind of defending it.
It's not the. It wasn't the worst thing to me.
Yeah, I'm just. Surprised.
I'm not saying retcon. You could reveal it as a twist
like there's a difference between retcon or like there's
information with hell. Like here's a good example, the
whole Captain America Bucky killed Iron Man's parents.

(38:56):
Like there's a retcon but it changes his whole parents like
death. Right.
It's hard to do. This without upsetting people.
It's impossible, but that's why they set.
Up in this movie and I think something's like something like
this happened with The Dark Knight.
I can't remember too. Anyways what I was I remember my
thought about Luther. Ricky is like he also hated

(39:16):
Superman before, the classic reason that Superman is brown
and Lex Luthor's brains and someone that's just aside from
what you mentioned that someone not as intelligent as him is
worshipped more. And so that's another reason
where I think he's going to takeon the suit because he wants to
fight in this year. I'll beat you at your own game

(39:37):
type of thing. So and then and then again.
With the so I I hated the Jor Elis a bad guy.
I I hate it. I I think again, from the story
perspective, fine. You got to like Doc.
I don't disagree with you like changing something.
It's not something, it's not thefirst time that lore has been
changed, right. But I think the Jor El in
Superman is just so vital to Superman that that's what it's.

(40:01):
Like it's a weird choice to change, right?
So. It's a weird choice, but OK,
let's say. Let's say you do it.
Let's just say you accept it. I have two big problems with it
other than what I said, but let's say you accept it.
Two big problems, one first. Off it limits your options.
Going forward, right? And and you, you, you limit some
of the best Superman villains and some like potential story

(40:23):
arcs that you could have done with Superman going forward.
I don't like limiting options, especially for universe that
needs as many options as it needs right now, because you're
just starting and you never knowwhat's going to happen.
And with a James Gunn, who again, is already being like
wishy washy with projects, announcements and whatnot, I
think you want to keep your options open and Dorrell and
that kind of just that legacy closing that door, I think is a

(40:44):
big problem. So that's one and two specific
to this movie. I didn't love it because OK,
you, you do this right, mom and.Pennsylvania Kent Don't.
Have a core scene and they only have one and it's not till the
third act, right, right. And you're so origin of this.
Movie like they are. Like, Oh my God, like put on his
happy thing. It's like it's not an origin
movie. So I understand why they're not
in it a lot, but the the whole movie is kind of structured from

(41:07):
that. And then you they're not in it
until like the very last 30 minutes.
It's like it's kind of odd, right?
And I I think it's a good casting where they didn't have a
Kevin Costner and Diane Lane or whatever doing or Dan Keene,
whatever being there because they're not in it a lot.
And again, like I agree with you, like Kansas, they they felt
more Kansas genuine. Yeah, genuine, simple people.

(41:28):
Simple like moral guy. Yeah, and they were good.
I I like them, but if not in it a lot and this is your big
twist. I I I don't think they got me.
I that's what it's a. Big problem for me.
The reason why I don't go? With the origin respectfully Dr.
O is I view bon podcasts relationship with Clark like

(41:48):
Alfred's with Batman and Alfred has a close relationship with
Batman without being a origin story.
And that's I. Don't think it needs to be an
origin story you don't need a mass deal to.
There's plenty of Christians, but like some of the childhood
scenes are not great. So you don't need to go into
like Superman's upbringing and everything.

(42:08):
But like, that's what I meant. It's like there's not that much
interaction. And like he sees the missed
calls. I get it.
That's like, it was, I understand he wants to go home
and stuff, but like he doesn't even call his parents.
And like there's, like Ricky said, like there wasn't a lot of
interaction besides that one moment with his family.
They they. They she called him when he had

(42:30):
the front page story, the quote UN quote.
It was Superman, but she called when they found out and there
was the news hit that he his parents like sent him here
really to conquer earth. They left the 22 like missed
calls. You know, I've been surprised he
didn't like. Yeah, yeah.
I do, yes. We needed.
More with Paw Kent, but that onepaw Kent scene was one of the

(42:51):
best scenes, if not like the best like non action scene in
the movie, but like what is one more because it was yeah, right.
And I could say the same thing about like Lois Lane and like
Clark slash Superman. I wanted more of those scenes.
I like both of those scenes a lot.
I liked like the perspective of like Superman.
I'm doing like it was a great like theme for the movie that

(43:11):
was kind of just like they're showing it through this
conversation, right, like the duty of Superman.
What is good, like what he thinks is good?
Is that right for everybody political versus like a moral
decision? That was awesome.
I we really had two great Clark Lois like conversations. 1 is
like 15 minutes. I think you might you might said

(43:31):
it's like maybe went on three minutes too long or whatever it
was. I loved it because it told you
everything Why this new Supermanis different.
It gives you the humor. It gives you like the
mannerisms. It has them going from Clark to
Superman and Superman to Clark. I freaking loved it and the
journalistic integrity this you talked about Mike, this is a
great journalism movie. You know that I.

(43:52):
I would like them to. Explore that angle more because
like some, it's like, do something a little bit more
detailed than what? Because like Jimmy unravel that
real quick, but like, you know what I mean, like let they'll
have like a germ investigative reporting and like even like
Clark participate. That would be Wait, are we?
We don't really get a. Shoot like a Clark Kent.
Well, well, I mean he. We saw like interactions.

(44:14):
But like, I was a little disappointed.
Like, oh, he says. Like, again, exposition.
But like, oh, I interviewed myself.
Like, he doesn't really do anything except worry about
Superman. Yeah, but like what I.
Mean is like Clark Kent, like heliterally, like we get the scene
at the Daily Plan again, him wearing the glasses, the suit
and whatnot. We get it in Daily Planet for
that one scene, right? But that's really it.

(44:36):
And I'm not counting. And Clark Kent is not behind the
scenes in the apartment with himand Lois.
That's him being himself, right?He's free to be Superman, right?
I'm not that. I don't think that's Clark Kent
even like, you know what I mean?Back and forth, like, like and
yeah. Yeah, but like, that's not like
Clark. Kent fumbling over himself,
trying to get through day-to-daylife like we see like in
Christopher Reeves, right? And that's like kind of why we

(44:57):
love Christopher Reeves. And that's where like this, this
movie again of Superman that's beat up more than ever, right?
Trying to be as humane as ever, right?
Or as human as ever. I should say, sorry, ground
grounded, I guess I should say, like trying to say, oh, I am
human, right? We don't actually see him as
Clark Kent, The Daily Planet. Scene was good with him as
Clark. Like, that was a good scene.

(45:19):
Like, like, like he's bumbling around.
He gets the story. He's like doing that little,
like corny, like kicking with Jimmy.
I'm like, yeah, he's a nerd. He's a loser.
He's not cool. He's not really.
It was a good scene, Rock in theconventional way.
Like, I loved it. Like I thought that was a great
scene. I wanted more.
I am being a little hypocritical.
Because usually I say we need more like in these superhero
movies, like we need to see themdo stuff.

(45:40):
This movie has a bunch of that. So I I rather have what we got
here. I'm just saying, like for a
movie that is so focused on making you say this is a
different Superman, this guy is vulnerable, he gets beat up.
He's it's again, the immigrant story is going online.
It's going crazy online because of the politics.
But I think like the alien aspect of it is really
important, right? And.

(46:02):
For him not to be Clark. Kent except that one scene truly
Clark Kent versus like Christopher Reeves Superman in
every single movie. Half the movies him as Clark
Kent and I think he's just it's so good.
Like even like the shitty, sorry, the bad Superman movies
like 3 and 4, he's still a good Clark Kent.
Like, yeah, that's just like, wow.
And I think maybe in the second movie again, I think I agree
with you guys. The journalistic parts of this

(46:24):
movie are pretty good and they were without Clark Kent.
I I think maybe next movie now that we know Superman and his
abilities this new in this new universe, I think maybe James
Gunn sees what he did here and goes.
All right, let's try to tackle Go more 6040 Superman to Clark
Kent or 7030 rather than 9010. And you talk about the.
Journalism in this movie like I I think Lois this is like going

(46:47):
we talked I talked about corn sweat.
I think he has potential to be like the definitive Superman
like I really do if down the line, but I think we also might
get the definitive Lois Lane because she is not Margot Kidder
with fawning over Superman. You know, Boston Clark around
and she's not just like a stoic,hard hitting journalist who goes

(47:09):
like to dangerous areas and needs to be saved like Amy Adams
was. You know, I hated her.
Lois Lane. She was terrible.
Honestly, like not a good Lois Lane.
Rachel Brosnahan is funny. She's a hard hitting journalist.
She's not she's not not going tofalling over Superman.
She's going to stick it to him, right.
She kind of is like she doesn't care that he like she she's
going to break up with Superman.Like what's like who would do

(47:30):
that? That's just craziness.
But like, it just shows like shekind of stands on her own and
she has a huge part of this movie.
She's flying the ship and everything, which is a little
crazy, a little campy, obviously, but I think that she
was awesome in this movie. Mike, did you like her?
Do you think that she could be the definitive Lois Lane?
I liked her. I don't know about definitive

(47:50):
just because like she's going toneed more, you know, parts of
the movie to become, you know, become that, but like I I.
Maybe. Eventually, but as far as her
portrayal, I liked her. I thought she was good, thought
she did a good job, like showingthe hard hitting reporting
aspect and like to that scene you were talking about in the

(48:12):
apartment. They were being objective and as
a reporter, I think that was good as well.
So I I think yeah, I, I mean, I guess that's one of my favorite
parts was her. So I wanted to see more of it
and I liked her interactions with so Terrific, So I thought
that was good too. I was a little surprised, like

(48:33):
she was in awe, I guess maybe because she was surprised that
he could do that because he doesn't look like it.
Like all the technical stuff andthen fighting when she's in the
bubble. The only reason I'm saying that
is because like, you're dating Superman.
Like, you shouldn't really be. Surprised.
By that, but yeah, that's a goodpoint.
But yeah, I know. I agree with you, Doc.

(48:53):
I think she could be because I think Mario Kuder is good.
I think her 3 was crazy. Like you're watching that.
I was like, wait, you're just going to Bermuda and murder
Kidder Probably just didn't get paid or something.
I don't know a lot of problems in those in those movies, but I
was like, wow, she was missing that movie.
But in this one. I like this Lois Lane better

(49:14):
because I think she's a strong, independent woman, not like
glossing over Superman, you know?
And she could. And even though I didn't like
how she was driving this a terrific ship or whatever, it
shows me like, yeah, she's also a bad ass.
She like she's wily, she's wary.She has a great personality, a
strong personality. And that's what Lois Lane, hard
hitting reporter going for a Pulitzer back in the Margot

(49:35):
Kidder days. Like that's what I need, right?
That's what I need. And her to have guts and
whatnot. Like they show that in this
movie to a great extent. And yes, I do agree with you,
Doc. And go back to our conversation
from Last Potter, instant reactions where like, yeah, the
second act in the pocket when Superman is in the pocket
dimension with Metamorpho and he's again with the kryptonite,

(49:55):
we were missed. The second, second act, even
though this this movie was quick, only two hours, had a
pretty steady pace on it. That second act was kind of
lacking. And Lois Lane was kind of like
the driving horse behind that second act.
So that could be an argument against it.
But I did like her through the second act, even though again,
but she's a supporting role. It's not our main character.

(50:15):
No powers. You're not there, you're not
buying a ticket to see her, right?
So I'm not going to put any blame on her for that.
That This is why I like this movie a lot.
It's because. Like even when Superman is gone,
like yeah, the movie steps down a little bit just because you're
missing Superman for a lot of that second act.
But the supporting like the the cast here is pretty
unbelievable. Like we talked about Rachel

(50:36):
Brosnahan. We've been praising Nicholas
Holt back to last podcast in a little bit today and we'll get
them in a SEC. But the Justice Gang,
specifically Mr. Terrific, was freaking awesome.
Mr. Terrific needs a spin off show.
I'm putting that down right now.He needs a spin off show.
I would eat that shit up. That would be great to have
that. The best scene in the movie.
The best scene of the Superman movie.

(50:58):
I. Think was with Mr. Terrific and
I love the Raptor scene. I love like the like the
Superman third act him like doing the lasers long fighting
alongside crypto 4th wall break,blah, blah, blah blah blah.
Mr. terrific without needle dropthe one needle drop for games
guns like give me this one. Let me take this one.
Please let me do a needle drop here.
The when Lois is in the force field, the cameras like hers
perspective. There's people doing ballet

(51:21):
because they're getting their ass kicked by the T spheres.
Mr. terrific grabbing onto the Tsphere and then pirouetting in
the air. I was like, fuck, that is magic
that we're watching. Right now, that was James Gunn.
That seemed freaking ruled. And we talked about on Friday,
Eddie, I think it's Kathy. He's actually his.
Name Ricky, not Geitji. Kathy Eddie Gathy as Mr.

(51:42):
Terrific. I need more of.
Him. He was honestly second favorite
performance of the movie. Maybe, but so.
I don't disagree with anything you said, all right, except
maybe I like Lois better than him.
I don't know. It's it's he's out there.
But my problem is what you said there where again with Superman
you said your favorite part was.This is terrific.

(52:03):
Well, I said the Raptor scene. The Raptor scene is probably my
favorite. Like I I did, I did qualify.
I did see that. But I'm like, dude, that's you
can't deny that scene was amazing.
And I like like even if it was aSuperman, dude, if anyone was
doing that, that was just amazingly done.
Yeah, but so I guess my. Question to you guys is.
Did Superman need a needle drop?No, the middle drop is him.

(52:27):
Flying with John Williams, Superman.
Dude, if you again. You just said.
Like potentially that was the. Best scene in the movie and
without Superman because it was so good.
I love the Superman scenes though too.
It's not like I didn't. I guess like what I'm saying is
in a Superman movie, in the. 1stmovie of your universe and of a
character who you could say has had a true like to the comic

(52:50):
like original. Oh sorry not original.
True to the comic like movie since Christopher Reeve right?
The 20th century, right? I think you needed a core scene.
I think they were trying to do that with the Raptor scene.
I am not as. High on it as you are.
Watch it again. You got to watch the movie
again, dude. I'm.
Butterflies. Dude, I was, I was like, I'm

(53:10):
freaking die, dude. I I needed more.
I I. Needed like.
Holy, like like the Batman hallway scene.
I'm like, that's my that's my Batman, dude.
Or like, and there was many scenes in the Batman where I was
like that. Like I'm like, this is my
quintessential super walk out. I don't know.
I I, I. Needed more?
I like David Cornswat, but that's why like for me, like I

(53:30):
I'm kind of with Mike when he was saying like with Lois Lane,
he needs to see more for me, I need to see more for Cornswat to
say, oh, that'll be my quintessential suit.
Now we're yeah, he's got stiff competition though for.
Superman Grant. That's tough to.
Be. I mean, there's some you got.
Some people saying Smallville, like those people are crazy, but
not, you know, we're build, we're building a universe here.

(53:53):
So it's like. It's I is Superman movie but
like to say. Like I can't wait.
For a Mr. terrific move like project after this successful
that's a great like first movie like like I I thought like it
wasn't too much like, oh, here'sRick flag.
You're going to see him in peacemaker season 2.
They give him like 1 little thing at the end of the movie,
you know, but it wasn't in your face like teasing so many
things. I thought it still was in and

(54:15):
focused on the scope of Metropolis Superman movie, you
know, Superman movie, Superman movie.
But to then have like, oh, Guy Gardner, awesome in this movie.
Oh, you're going to get him a Lantern.
It's like This is why it was also very good for as a universe
builder. It's like you're giving them
these moments and guess what? You're going to see them again.
You know why Gardner was sneaky amazing in this.

(54:36):
I love the Peacemaker cameo. I don't know if they would.
Say cameo like like he was he? Was perfect for a guy.
Gardner and a Nathan Fillion obviously relationship with
James Gunn perfect for this movie, you know, perfect
casting, you know, imperfect like for James Gunn, of course,
he has the third Green Lantern because he doesn't want to deal
with the other two. Leave them the more serious
heroes to the other director, right to Damon Lindelof and that

(54:59):
show. You know, I just think Guy
Gardner and Eddie Katigi, they freaking murdered it.
Isabella Merced underserved, butthose two give me more of them.
But I, I, I think you're right, Doc.
We're like. This movie, I think James gone
like did this is a phenomenal start to a universe movie.
Like James gone really like he threw a lot at us here, right?

(55:21):
Sometimes overwhelming. And I think if you're not like a
superhero watcher, you you want to see this movie because of
Superman and the IP. But like you don't see every
single Superman movie or sorry, superhero movie, then yeah, this
is probably a lot. But I think this movie like
James gone was like, I can throwa lot at you here because we're
in 2025. You've been through 17 years of

(55:41):
MCU and like consistently like movie after movie after movie,
show after show off the show. He is trusting you like the
audience of like they've had a lot of practice watching these
Superman superhero movies, right?
And he's like, Oh, I could kind of just put these characters in
and do slight things here and there, but just not like not
have Mr. Terrific take over the movie for too much, not have Guy
Gardner take over the movie too much, kind of balance it out.

(56:04):
And these this audience is is going to understand it, right?
And I think he nailed it right. And I think I think he nailed
like starting up the universe. Did I wish maybe Superman had a
couple more memorable moments? Yes.
But do I think it was a great universe movie?
Yes, it was I I think the world building was.
Interesting because of this literal exposition.

(56:25):
Because it was. Writing, but like the first
screen of the movie it says 3 centuries ago was meta.
Humans were discovered. That opens the door to so many
heroes because now you can have freaking not just Barry Allen
and Wally W, You can go all the way back to Jake Garrick.
You can have the original Green Lantern.

(56:45):
You can have the JSA. You can have Wonder Woman.
Sorry they. Teased it in this.
Movie The. JSA you.
Can have. You can have characters like.
Wonder Woman being, you know, hundreds of years old that was
in the JSA and also now is in the new incarnation with Justice
League. Like it just blows the door and
you can have mold. They already have 3 Green

(57:07):
Lanterns, but like now you can have period peace movies.
You know, it's that I thought alone like open the door for
world building itself, but also talk about elsewhere's stories.
All that they have now, like Gotham by gas like was so
successful like Victorian or Batman.
They have a Victorian area Justice League, like if you want
to do an Elseworlds movie, but like I'm just saying that's down

(57:29):
the line. No, no, no, that's weird.
I'm just saying like it just blew off the doors of like
anything they can do Then also 300 years ago, maybe that's
teasing the vandal savage. It's going to Paradise Lost
justice. League villain because.
He's extremely old, another human, so I don't know.
It's just it's interesting that that's how he chose and I think

(57:51):
that's because he will explore that.
But yeah, I think I agree with Rick and I agree with you, Dave,
both the just the overall, I don't feel like it was
overstuffed. I I, I didn't a lot of people
were concerned. I I felt like it was fine.
The amount of characters that were in there.
I didn't feel like it was takingaway too much.

(58:13):
I did think metal motor for it was going to be more of it, but
like what he was in it was good.So it was nice little Moose
Bouche. I want more.
So he was he was like weaker because he was good.
He. Was good and he's a great actor.
No. No.
Why are you so gross? Looking, you know, like like
great delivery. No, ho Hank, we love him, but I
also think he was kind of the one character that's more for

(58:33):
like plot, you know, where it's like we got to keep Superman
down for a little bit. We need the element guy.
Interesting choice to say Kryptonite doesn't exist.
I don't know if they're going torun into problems with that
later on. That was an interesting or
someone else has all of it like a Maxwell lore.
Yeah, exactly. That was an interesting choice.
As again, if we're talking aboutit's going to be a kryptonite,
that was that was an. Interesting.

(58:55):
Choice to do Yeah. Or like you know, someone gets
a. Hold of it intergalactic, maybe
story for the sequel and we'll talk about what the sequel may
look like. Lex Luthor.
I thought, like, I know the writing of this movie is pretty
kind of exposition Y for, you know, setting up contacts and
everything, but I thought the writing of Lex Luthor versus
Superman was really good. I, I, I just thought they are

(59:18):
literally the antithesis of eachother.
I kind of respect how James Gunnstill kept up with the real
estate, You know, overall plans,the map, like Luther, you know,
like, like you have in 1978 and you have Kevin Spacey's version
of it. It's all about land.
And then they also have that mapthat has like Luthoria on it

(59:38):
splitting up like Jahanpur. I was like, great, you know, in
terms of like honoring very previous installments and
previous portrayals. But I think the bottom line was
like, I did all this just because I want to kill you.
I respect it. You know, other people are
really, like criticizing this movie because of like, why does
he want to kill Superman? He goes on this like, really?

(01:00:00):
I think well written soliloquy where he's talking about
Galileo, Einstein, you know, talking about how like basically
saying I'm better than these people.
These guys were gods amongst men, right?
Thinking of like like like brainover brown, like type of thing
of this person swooping and likebasically declare himself the

(01:00:21):
most powerful being like this guy's an enemy to us.
I, I, I like how it's also just like I know it's revealed in the
third act, but this is, it's LexVS Superman.
We know they hate each other. Like to me, I'm like, you don't
have to give me too much becauseI get it.
He's envious. He's envious of him.
He's jealous of him and he thinks he should be off this
planet because like Ricky said, he's an immigrant.

(01:00:41):
He's not from here and he could be a threat to us.
So I like, I like Lex Luthor. I didn't mind like the kind of
reveal in the third act of the motivation.
I don't know. I think he pure, I think the
acting honestly was even better than the script for him.
The anger and shaking, you know,and him crying because he hates

(01:01:02):
Superman so much. The one A1A I'm like this guy is
freaking a tour to force villain.
Right now, I thought. Written pretty well and acted
even better. Top building of most like.
As of like. Generational haters like this
guy's up there in movie history like this guy.
Your obsession with me is getting a little weird, Luther.

(01:01:23):
Yeah, weird obsession and. Without or again I thought I
think Superman 78 did a great job of like, oh, Luther's doing
this and then Superman stops him.
So then Superman 2 is like, no, Hackman wants to join or have
Zod and have Zod on his team just so he could have revenge on
Superman and then become president and then like do his

(01:01:46):
stuff and then every and then Superman 4 very similar.
He wants his revenge on Superman1st and then everything else
follows. This one kind of jumps to
instead of the 78 where it's like, oh, business interests
first. This one's like, no, no, I just
hate him right away. That's like, hey, I could see
you not liking that. But I think Nicholas Hole does a
great job performance wise whereit's like, all right, maybe some
things like that could kind of hold you back from loving it.

(01:02:08):
But then you can't deny NicholasHolt's delivery in that final
monologue, his performance throughout the movie of him kind
of building up his jealousy and how he wants to be in the same
breath as Galileo or like above these people, right, Because he
thinks he should be. But you're just sold on it
because I think of Nicholas Holt, right.
So I think it's more of a plus for Nicholas Holt than like,
actually the Luther character inthis movie.

(01:02:31):
Yeah, I think it's he's. Mentioned that he.
I think he's better than Galileoand that all these other
Einstein, all these other geniuses.
And I think that also just showshis narcissism.
And I think the fact that someone 1 isn't as smart as him
as being worshipped, 2 isn't from here.
And then three, someone that says selfless as the opposite as

(01:02:54):
he is selfish and seeing that heis being worshipped because of
it. I think Johnson is saying
because he feels like he should be the one being worshipped for
his brains, for, you know, everything he does and his
intelligence and everything he'saccomplished.
So and also the fact he's built his whole life getting there
while some man's just gotten here or I mean known three

(01:03:16):
years. So I think that all combined and
also just typical like he's justa narcissist.
He just loves himself and thinkshe should be worshipped and then
someone that doesn't like you know puts others before him.
When? He's the most.
Powerful, I think drives him insane as well, just like he
doesn't understand it and I I love this Luther though, because

(01:03:37):
like if you. Think of Hackman or the big KS.
Like there's like Hackman in those movies was like, I'm he
always says I'm Lex Luthor. I'm the greatest criminal
mastermind of the 20th century. It's just like, dude, really?
Yeah, that's a little slain on that.
Yeah, Yeah. And.
Like Eisenberg, they tried to dothis like Zuckerberg.
Ledger combo or a Joker Ledger combo, but not this one's.

(01:04:02):
Like, all right, you just hey, you're like a a huge.
Tech billionaire who is in the coots with the government.
But you're also like this egomaniac, selfish, but you're
also the smartest man in the world, like, and you're just
really ambitious. And you want to be known like
historically great, not just in the 21st century or like 20th

(01:04:22):
century, like Hackman, but of all time, but not just a crime
Lord, like literally like just aGod, right?
But you're just a human, Mike, when we watched it.
Lex was so diabolical to evil inthis movie when finally the
third act and then Crypto attacked him right after that.
Basically that conversation in the tower with Superman.

(01:04:43):
Superman has pretty good speech there too.
Kind of defines who he is, how he's human, yada yada.
But our dad did the double bird to the screen in a packed
theater to Nicholas Hull becausethat.
Like I looked at. I literally started laughing and
I left when I left it there. I'm like, you really hated Lex
Luther in this movie, didn't you?
And he's like, fuck that guy. And I'm like, I'm like, this

(01:05:05):
tells you that tells me. You know what?
You did a great job. That's his goal.
Yeah. I was like mission.
Accomplished. Nice job, but the scene.
That I I also liked is that whenhe's pissed off, him just
knocking the pencils off the desk, they pick them up, they
put them back. That was a fun moment, but then
he knocks it down. Like he's like, pick those up
for me. He loves power, right?
He loves telling people what to do.

(01:05:26):
I think it was a nice little like action he could have done
in the movie. And I also think comparing him
to, yeah, I'm not going to say he's better than Gene Hackman.
I'm not going to go there because like Gene Hackman, I
think great for the movie that he was in for Superman.
This guy, Nicholas Hall, way better than Jesse Eisenberg
because just he's more aura, like he's got aura in this
movie. He's got swag in this movie.

(01:05:46):
Like he's confident intimidated by Jesse Eisenberg.
Jesse Eisenberg is like, doesn'teven.
Know how to make a. Speech and when they're at like
that that charity event like like I Nicholas Holt, he's like
I'm he's standing toe to toe nose to nose the Superman of
this movie. No, that's it.
He's he's, he's. He's of him.
He. Doesn't dare.

(01:06:06):
Like Rod it? Yeah, that, that's.
That's how he should be. Lex Luthor is supposed to be
like, I don't care, you are nothing.
You are not. You are beneath me.
And that's what, Yeah, I'm not going to talk about the big KS.
He yelled a lot. I love that Lex.

(01:06:27):
Luthor it's it's, I think. It's not near a whole.
Like. He was pretty animated in that
movie, you know, space. He was, yeah.
I just think about that scene oflike.
And return of Superman. It's pretty Superman returns.
Sorry, I always. Do that.
I don't know why. But when like Brendan Roth is
like on the ground and Lex is screaming over him, like I just

(01:06:49):
always think of that scene. I'm like God damn, like this
hits every time. I don't know why.
But it just. Hits and KS like always like for
the best part of that she's likeand then he like who's going to
save you and he's like ears likehe's waiting for him to say it
and he goes wrong. Just he's like an insane.
Actor, dude, he's just insane. Like.
Hackman, like they're just like generational actors.

(01:07:10):
He was a great casting for Lex Luthor.
I don't. Know what?
I'm not afraid to say Like, he was, he was fun.
Yeah, he was scary. He was scary in that.
But I, I think I'm, I'm very much in favor of like, I need
Lex to like just be pounding weights in prison.
And then you're going to have the classic Lex Luthor breaks
out of prison. He's going to be just like

(01:07:31):
Luther. That's like a billionaire.
Just he'll be the. He'll he'll look more like, you
know the. Animated Series A little bit.
He is going to be the secondary villain in the sequel or
whatever movie comes up next with Superman and the third one.
You might see him in the suit. I, I, I need to see that happen.
You know, I need to see a Lex Luthor actually in a suit.
I thought we were making predictions.

(01:07:52):
Mike, I thought the hammer, Boravia, he might be in the suit
and I've been like, that's a play on the suit, but it's too
early, too early for him to jumpin the suit.
Another character we got to talkabout Mike.
I want to I want to know what you thought of crypto in the
movie. I loved it.
I'm a dog. Owner so I.
I think if you're talking about making it more.
Human, that was a great way to do it.

(01:08:14):
I don't know if it if you don't own a dog, maybe it doesn't
connect as well, but if you own a dog like that's and he can't
control it and also the whole like seeing that it's his owner
when Supergirl comes in and she lets him act all nuts and then
the joke like so that's where hegets it from.
You need to establish boundariesand all that.
That was just as a dog and thoseplayers.

(01:08:37):
That was a good twist though. Like it made a lot of sense,
right? Like full.
Circle, like, oh, he doesn't actually own the dog, so I can't
control it. Like, I thought that was a good
twist. There's a twist on the mythos
right there, yeah. Yeah, see, that's a good.
That's a. Good news?
No, it's talking about. That as a good Mike, totally.
Agree, totally agree. But my last name on crypto Mike

(01:08:57):
I, I mentioned on instant reactions, maybe a little too
much crypto you I I don't like James.
Gunn loves himself a little bit too much.
I mean put himself in the opening of creature commandos
little self indulgent, look likehis dog.
Is your movie. You have your right, but you
know, it's still, you know, it was great.
And then again, not being like the original because crypto's

(01:09:18):
like a white lab or whatever. So but like he was great.
This is my issue with crypto. He's great, like I love having
him in the movie. I think it's perfect to like
James Gunn's is kind of telling you what kind of movie this is
by just including Crypto and they have him this wild dog
that's like untamed, you know, that doesn't even listen to
Superman. It has just a fun energy around

(01:09:40):
it just having him there. But it's OD sometimes it it goes
to a point where very heartwarming moments with Crypto
when Superman's healing in Kansas and Crypto's lying on his
on his stomach, right. He's almost like I'm here for
you, Superman. I know you're you're not well
right now. And then here comes that
conversation with Paul Kent. But I he saves Superman from the

(01:10:05):
clone right in that. Third act and.
Moments later, he attacks Lex Luthor, right?
And then before he goes to prison, don't you give him too
many moments. And you're robbing some of those
moments from Superman, in my opinion.
And you're making it more about the dog and Crypto to me.
You have it, but you can't OD onit.
And people got to get ready for more Crypto because he's going

(01:10:27):
to be in Supergirl. It's it's it's Kara's dog,
right? It's his cousin's dog.
So he will be in that movie too.So it's me.
It's like you're OD in a little bit and you're going to get him
basically as a sidekick in probably in the Supergirl movie.
I think it was kind of a bold move to not only include him,
but the freaking had him to so many scenes.
You can see that. I I, I think his comedic.

(01:10:49):
Moments were some of the best, though, because those were the
ones that landed. I'm.
Not going to come on here like I'm an anti dog.
I'm not. I am not.
I'm not. I'm not going to be like the guy
judging like not liking crypto. People are being like, he was
annoying. I'm like, yeah, I get it.
He was never annoying, no. But it's just a lot of these

(01:11:13):
people. Haven't seen DC.
'S league. Of super pets.
I mean crypto was great. Not brave in the bold.
You're going to get Ace. Yeah, that'd be, that'd be sick.
I think you should have a dog, but I don't think it should be
like. Fighting with him, I think he
should have done. Yeah, it would.
I mean, maybe. Have it be with Alfred.
I don't know. We can go off on like ideas
there. I need former military, royal

(01:11:35):
military. So.
I need like a post credit of thebrave in the bold.
Where Ace like just meets cryptothat like something like that.
That's enough for me. You know, Ace just have a dog,
almost like like Batman beyond, Batman beyond, turn the joker
have like ace as the dog. Like you need to do that.
You're having the bat family that ever happens.
The Hell's world? I think that should be an Hell's

(01:11:56):
world. Michael, have you seen those
that? Animated.
You know, yeah. And the bane of spider verse.
That's. Like that would've been so sick.
That would've been bigger than Spider Man.
That would've been sick. That would be honest, like a
loved property. Yeah, OK.
Guys. Any other strikes or flaws you
want to bring up before we hit scores?
I know we talked a lot about performances, we talked about

(01:12:18):
inclusion, we talked about occlusion of characters, we
talked about lore. Anything else you want to cover
Ricky before we hit scores? So I.
Remember when man of. Steel came out and a huge And
then we call it Dawn of Justice comes out.
And you know, in Dawn of Justice, they make sure to say,

(01:12:40):
oh, they're off an island hour away, like flight away from
Metropolis or whatever. A huge problem was that like,
oh, they destroyed Metropolis. No one's talking how Metropolis
is destroyed in this movie. Well, they did the evacuation.
So yeah, but you know, they pretty like that.
No one's getting. Not everybody.
Come on. Do you remember?

(01:13:00):
That outcry post like. I want to hear the same outcry
here. This wasn't as bad as Man of
Steel. Dude, there was a Kaiju, there
was a alien fight Superman. And saved everybody that was.
Activation because it was so badthere was literally the.
World was supposedly ending because of this black hole in a
cut through the middle of metropolis.

(01:13:21):
Literally a cut through the roads and everything that was
huge destruction huge. Literally at the there's a post
credit scene of of how messed upthe building still looks and how
it's not perfectly even. Like I, I want to hear some
outcry and I'm not a Restore theSnyderverse guy, but I I'm
shocked I'm not hearing more noise from the that crowd that
cool about this. It's because they didn't show

(01:13:42):
people screaming and dying. Man of Steel they did.
That's what Batman or Superman they.
Showed. People screaming Man of Steel
too. They show people getting
crushed. They make a point of emphasis
here for this. Superman helping out everybody,
like it could be a Kaiju fighting, but he is more
concerned with making sure people are safe than beating the
Kaiju. You know, that's why people
aren't looking at it the same way.

(01:14:03):
And that's why I think this thisiteration of Superman is like a
better version than the Henry Cavill Superman.
And yeah, so basically when you view that Kaiju's fight and it's
the Justice Gang that ultimatelytake him down, and Superman is
kind of just saving people from the destruction.
So I think like when you have that scene, it kind of saves you

(01:14:23):
from that type of conversation if you get it.
Man of Steel, where it's like literally they're leveling
Metropolis and you know, they deal with the ramifications.
The next movie I don't think we're going to have.
Maybe I'll have like some effecton the DC Universe afterwards,
but we won't know yet since the first movie.
Other thoughts, Mike, strengths,flaws.
You want to bring up 4 scores? No, we can go to scores.

(01:14:44):
I think I got a. Few more minutes, so.
OK, All right, let's do it. Mike.
What? Do you give?
Superman out of 100. Oh, 100.
Go with a 72. OK.
Ricky, for right now, I. Have a 77. 70. 785. 85.

(01:15:11):
I liked it out of here. Well, I liked it, dude.
I'm. Out of.
Here from the guest. I.
Liked. It.
I liked it more I. Would have had it lower if I
hadn't seen it a second time. When I saw it a second time I'm
like wow I think that was even better than the first time.
I am a bibbid. Knee jerk reaction here.
I just saw it. Yesterday, so not even now, just

(01:15:32):
24 hours ago. So corn sweat.
I'm telling you when I when I. Watched the second time, I'm
like this guy is it like I didn't get that gauge the first
time I saw him and I watched it again.
I'm like, damn, he is good. So, David, you're saying Doc?
You. You were.
Saying this is one of the best movies since End Game for
superhero movies. Yeah, I think so.
We haven't. We haven't had that.
I think that's a good take I didn't see.

(01:15:54):
Thunderbolts yet. And I didn't see Brave New
Worlds yet, so all right, I'm going to.
I'm not worried about Brave New World Thunderbolts.
Yeah, might be. Underbolts is pretty good, Mike.
I don't know, like I. Think Thunderbolts is pretty
good, I think I gained. Thunderbolts like an 85 too I
think it was. Around the same came out when I
was abroad, so I wasn't wasn't. Go to the movie theater.
So yeah, let's just do a quick, quick list then.
We'll wrap like quick list sinceEnd Game, all right?

(01:16:17):
Film since end game. Like let's just do MCU for right
now, all right? Far from home.
Is this better than far from home?
No. Really.
You thought this was very far from home?
The. Sequel to Homecoming.
I'm not a huge. Far from home, guy.
I think it's better than what people say.
Tori McGuire No, it's. No way home.
No, no, that's no way home. We're not OK.
No. Yeah, then I'm in agreement.

(01:16:38):
Yes, I got them DC Force. Mind, people, remember.
All right, Black Widow, this is better than that.
GHB. This is better than that
Eternals, obviously. Wait.
You'll find you'll find people. You'll.
Find people. Yeah.
No way home. Is this better than no way home?
No. Not it's kind of similar I think
I. It's.
The cinema, yeah. No, no, like no way home's

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better, no way home's better. No way home does not age well,
dude. No Way home does not age well if
you watch it again. I haven't seen it since the
theater, so you might be right. OK, so let's keep going real
quick, Doctor Strange. Multiverse of Madness, This one
I didn't I was not a fan of. That Thor love and Thunder, you
know. Wakanda Forever.
This is better Ant Ant. Man and the Wasp.

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Quantum mania. Yeah, OK, yeah.
Guardians three. No, Guardians three.
I think it's around the same. I think I think I, I don't.
I have a hard time ranking. I think Guardians 3 is better.
I rewatch Guardians three. I liked it and but it's also
different. It's a third movie like this
one's accomplishing something totally different.
It's a Kickstarter, not. A like a ender.
For a lot of those characters, yeah.
All right, the marbles. This is better.

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Deadpool. Wolverine.
This is better. Is he?
Mike, is he the? FCU.
Correspondent here. No, because once you get to the
DC list, I. Think The Batman's the best
comic book movie to come out. I gave The Batman like a 97.
Dude, I love fantastic. Yeah, I guess I'm thinking like.
University. Post end game, are we counting
Zack Snyder's Justice League? Is that I'm I'm a big.

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Fan of that I'm. I'm a fan of it too.
I'm a fan of. I think that's a good.
That's a good. Iteration of like cavil.
Superman, like he like like likehe finally found it a little bit
at the end of that movie. Even towards I would definitely
put Batman. 1. Batman's the best movie.
To come out since yeah, I guess I, I was looking at MCU, I
should have specified. There's just hasn't been.

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No, I'm just saying like I've used you.
You're throwing some. Allegations here I, I I'm just
I'm being objective. I can I can call space fade,
yeah. But I guess what I'm trying to
say is like this is like one of the.
Better like, let's just say likethis is definitely up there.
Like top Yeah 5. Movies like Super Superhero.
Movies since end game Cool yes like that is like huge a

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convolution for the DCU. The first movie in the DCU and.
James Gunn, I think that is likethis is massive for them and I
think going forward for this forthis universe and like this
specific franchise within the universe and Superman.
It's like all right, now that you've got people in here, it's
like how you keep them right. You can't like you can't like
start doing like the Justice League too soon.

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You can't be doing the Batman brave and the bold and going off
the haywires with certain story arcs.
You got to keep things condensedand then be patient with it
right, Don't rush into things like at MCU has rushed into
things since then game. You cannot do that.
This is going to be a huge turning point for the DCU,
obviously and superhero movies in general.

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Dunstead. Lanterns is going to hint at the
big bad. So you got to watch that because
like and I think that's a good Ave. because it's ATV show with
our long episodes that it's going to be 8 to 10 episodes.
So you could seed it in there. So without because it's less
rush than movie. So and also I I trash guns,

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right? I don't.
Think he's terrible? He.
Has some good stuff, it's just hard time raining it in.
You have Damon Lindelof right now.
Like Leftovers is a phenomenal. Show you guys should watch that.
Lost. Yeah.
So like the dude has a crack record.
But James Gunn sometimes. There's an acquired taste for
people. I think James Gunn thinks he's

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funnier than what he actually is.
That that's my problem with him.I do think he can write well.
Like, you know, I like the Guardians movies a lot.
I think these, I think these characters.
I think they're. I did like there was some I just
Jimmy. Olsen great too.
Didn't bring him up. Jimmy Olsen.
Kyle Gazando. I can't wait to see him again.
I I think also we just talked about, is this the top five

(01:20:38):
superhero movie since End Game? I think we should talk about
where do you think this ranks among superhero Superman movies,
Do you think I guess we could doa top five right now.
OK, Ricky, do you make a top five for this?
I have a list. You have a list.
You want to just give your list and let's.
Criticize it to death, Michael. Sure.

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I only got a few more men. So.
OK, let's. Do it I still.
Have Don or Superman #1? I agree.
OK. All right, Hey.
I don't know, Mike's a big cableguy.
He's a bubble cavalry. No, Superman won the office.
OK, so this is where the. Debate comes in, I think.
I think older people like our dad would probably say Superman

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2's next. I disagree.
I don't. Have it?
What about the Donner Cut? Donner cut.
I'm not. I don't count that in the Spring
Kings. But I don't hate that take,
Mike. I have Man of Steel.
I agree. Act.
Superman 2 is a tough one. I thought that's tough.
I would put Man of Steel, thoughI did like Man of Steel more in

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this movie. I have like I have this one.
Second best Superman movie. Really better than Superman 2?
I I I have a take about Superman2 like.
The Donner cut would be different.
I might want the Donner cut but Superman 2.
It takes an hour for him for Superman to meet Zod.
You know, it's, it's, it's, it'sthe whole Lois in Superman

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dynamic for an hour. Superman like it's kind of
interesting where they go with the character, like him giving
up his powers. But I think there's plot hole
galore in that movie. I, I know we can, you can say
it's older movies, so you forgive the special effects, but
I don't forgive plot holes like that.
You can't be doing that. You know, I think I, I, I think
Terence Stamp is excellent. I I think he's a great sod.

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You know, so like I, I have honestly like Superman 2, it's
not Superman 1. I think Gene Hackman's better in
the first Superman, obviously the main villain in that movie,
he just pops in and out of nowhere.
In Superman 2, you're like, how the fuck did he get these
places? You know, he just pops in and
out of nowhere. But yeah, first Superman.

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I have way better than Superman 2, but I get Superman 2 because
they kind of went for it. They kind of went with, I wish
they kind of did like Spider Man2 where he's having like an
internal crisis. But no, it's just his love for
Lois Lane. He's giving up his powers, Lois.
Also, how are you not stopping him?
Why weren't you saying shit likewhen?
He's. Doing that like Superman, think
about all the people are going to die without Superman, you

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know, and you don't say anythingduring that moment.
She's just staring at him as he walks into that chamber.
I was like what are you doing Sodoc so.
Again, I break it down my list more.
I had Superman 2 at 4 for me because of everything you said.
I think it was serious flaws. I think if you watched it, was
it 1980? Whatever, whatever, it's around

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there now. 8081. I think when you saw it, you're
like, Oh my God, Superman, like he gives up his powers for the
love, like his love of his life.I think you look at that, then
it's like, oh, that's so smart, right?
But like you look at it in 2025,rewatch it and I was like, we've
seen this trope so many freakingtimes, like so I think that's
it's a little harsh when I when I rewatched it this weekend, but

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I was like, you know what, honestly, there's all these
other things or flaws that are so impactful, like you just
said, and I won't rehash. That's why it's 4 for me and I
have this Superman at three. I can respect that.
This one was good. That's where would you have Man
of Steel because. I have it at 2 I I think Man of
Steel ages. Well, I, I that's my problem, I
think. Man of Steel.

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Has only gotten better and I people even then Roger was I
think you're still alive. Roger Eager even said like this
movie is getting unjustly criticized.
It's like, yeah, it it got it was.
Real harsh. And you got to remember, this
came out a year after the first Avengers movie.
Yeah. Yeah, a lot.
There were a lot of. High expectations.
And then the. Dark Knight return.
That was the golden. Era like came out the same

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summer. As The Dark Knight, no one
summer. After The Dark Knight Returns,
yeah, it was 2012, so it was like superhero.
Movies had a higher bar almost. Than they do now I have 19. 78
Superman. I have this Superman 2025.
Then I have Man of Steel. So it's like we're top three are

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all the same except for Superman2.
Mike might have a little higher but I have Superman 2 at 4-5.
I have Batman VS Superman. That's my 5th best.
You have that? Oh wow.
Oh my God, wait. Not Snyder Cut though.
I I I prefer the director's cut.Right.
But OK, so I I again, there's a donor.
Cut of Superman Two, Yeah, but I'll still, I'll still take

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Batman. Versus Superman.
That movie had things overheatedtoo.
That yeah, Batman versus. Superman.
Is best no movie will top Batmanfight scene in that movie.
The warehouse scene. I go back and watch it.
It might be a better Batman Superman.
Well, you're a good debate then.Yeah, the.
Argue is more of a Batman movie.You could argue you have the
whole workout scene, yeah. Affleck's just with the chance

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when you go work out, that's just gets you the.
Tires well, so. Return of Superman?
You have it above Superman 3 or 4?
Or do you have Superman 3 or 4 ahead of return of Superman?
Why are you saying return Superman?
Sorry. I.
Told you I keep saying that Superman returns.
I have a six like I like. It's just to me, it's such a.
Forgettable like movie. It's it's like like a plane.

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But like, such a weird decision to just take.
Off from was it after Superman 4or Superman 3?
And there's continued story likewhat happened?
Yeah, they like, I think they were playing.
They completely changed it and was he married, has kids.
Talk about like lore. Just like Frick what?
Don't do this. I mean, yeah, Brian Singer was a

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little bit. So I I have the same thing, I'm
just. Curious like again, the question
was like you have it ahead of Superman 3 and 4, so that's a
yes yeah, I didn't I didn't rewatch those like I.
Did I did I I I did. And I'll tell you what, it's not
a big stand, but I'm a 4 / 3 guy.
Really. Yeah, I think the.

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Richard Pryor thing is one of those.
I don't even know if that's a hot take.
Like both those movies are just.Not good.
Yeah. 2000 years don't I watch. Grand on YouTube but.
Not 4. More coherent than. 33 just
makes no. Sense I've heard that I've heard
the prior thing. Most it's not even polarizing.
Most people don't like it. Yeah, and four actually makes
sense. Like the whole reason why.
Christopher Reeves comes back tothat movie is because crap.

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The movie with Morgan Freeman, Iforget, but basically they're
like, oh, we'll let you like we'll give you your drama if you
come back to do a Superman 4 andhe's like, oh, but I also want
to be like writing the like be apart of the story.
So like it's like story by Christopher Reeve.
Like he was a core part of like the script and whatnot.
And it's about like the nuclear war and whatnot, whatever.
The movie itself sucks, but it'sactually like you understand

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what's going on versus Superman 3.
Like Lois Lane's not in it, she's in Bermuda.
Like I mentioned earlier in the pod, Richard Pryor literally
goes from like 36 weeks of unemployment to being like an
insane tech programmer. Like a weird, weird, weird
movie. Hate it.
What am I, I think one of the worst pair of movies of all
time? Not even up for debate.

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It's just debate as if it's the worst.
But I'm a 4 / 3 guy. Like OK gotcha.
Cool. I we already talked about.
Superman and I think the perfectrendition of Superman will be
hard to beat. It's Christopher Reeves and the
original Superman. I think it's the best ever.
We'll see over time. I want to see Corn sweat, see

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what he can cook up. I have him.
I have Corn Sweat as a better Superman than Cavill already.
Yeah. Yeah.
You remember you saying that? Yeah, we'll.
See, I mean, he could grow into it because like he was good in
the areas that Cavill was lacking.
For sure. If Cavill, Cavill could have.
Done it like he could have. The way it was the character was
written. It's like he's not a bad actor

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and he looks the part. He's so fucking jacked.
Like he is insane. Like he isn't like when he walks
in the courtroom in Batman VS Superman, I'm like Jesus Christ.
Like like literally this guy is.He is the biggest man.
Like, like he's holding everybody.
Up. And then he turns.
His head. He's just like Jesus Christ.
Like he. He didn't look like a human.

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He didn't. Look like a human.
Like honestly the most jacked superheroes ever looked ever
ever. I would say honestly, and that
includes like Captain America holding that goddamn plane.
Like he was looking like he's working with Jack and Chris
Evans especially. He picked it.
Up like you see him and like he,he, he was bigger than that
like. Affleck was massive in that
movie. Dude, what?
They had that workout scene like, like he had to, he had to

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do everything he had. Like, I bet actually Affleck had
to train like that to try and keep up with Henry Cavill, how
big he was in that movie. But yeah, I have Henry Cavill at
3:00 and then Ralph at 4. Ricky, any difference?
What do you got? I actually agree.
And. It's it's let me say this
perfect by. This, I think, this movie.
Again, paid a lot of homage to the prior like Christopher Reeve

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Superman and I think that's whatSuperman should be.
That's why I have corn sweat too.
I think it's more like the campiness and being more human
like I think that's more of whatthe Superman story should be.
That's why I have corn sweat over Kabul.
But I do like Man of Steel a lot.
Clearly it's my second favorite Superman movie and above this

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one. And I love Cavill's rendition of
it. I just don't think I don't love
what Snyder did. It's more a fault for Snyder
versus Cavill. I think that's what most people
don't like, they say. Like, oh, they don't like Henry
Cavill Superman. It's like, I think you didn't
like Zack Snyder's direction. That's his iteration of
Superman, you know. That's where it's like he
finally got something a little different when Whedon took over

(01:30:12):
for Snyder and the Emelong movie.
And then it makes it a little more, you know, Marvelly, you
know, and that's when you see like, oh, Cavil, he's got some
charisma, you know, that he doesn't get to exude in Man of
Steel, in Batman VS Superman. And then he gets to do it right
at the end. And then he's done.
And then he shows up at the end of Black Adam and like, holy
shit, we fell off. It's amazing.
Where maybe Cavil? Would still be and I, I

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shouldn't say still be like, butlike where Cavil could have had
like a Chris Hemsworth type turn.
It's if you have a different direction, you know, pretty
much, I think he. Could have been able to do that.
But now it's like clearly he took what he did within the DC
EU and he did the Witcher, you know, and like it's he kind of
like kept up with that intensifying acting style

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instead of like, you know, that Chris Hemsworth turn where I
think, you know, Chris Hemsworthwas obviously store and that's
that's the that whole turn. But now he's like doing
extraction to still do that intensity type of acting.
He still has that in his back. You know, I think Cavill from an
acting standpoint, should try tofind like a that type of role
where it could let out some of that charisma, whether it's that
or like we talked about Chris Evans knives out.

(01:31:19):
Maybe find a role like that and kind of show your acting range
and just kind of become a full blown variety and like show,
show, show off your back. I think is what he should do,
yes. That's a great take that.
He honestly could have had what Chris Hemsworth did with Thor.
If Zack, he was Zack Snyder's guy, you know that was his guy,

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Henry Cavill. But if he found a different
director to make the sequel to Man of Steel.
But where would we be like? If they made it more.
Of Chris. Mcquary, but like a tone that.
Carries. Over a little bit of Snyder,
but. Also mixes in a little bit.
More of that Donner type of vibeor what James Gunn did here a
tiny bit. Not obviously as hammy, but I

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think you could have had something special and that the
opportunity just never came. The universe, like I got
consumed by Batman. The Justice League trying to
build up the Marvel so fast would have been a great
opportunity if they took their time, made a proper suit sequel.
Maybe Zack Snyder steps away andsomeone else directs it.
A great what if? A great what if.
Mike, thank you for hopping on DC Correspondent.

(01:32:26):
Pleasure as always. When's the next time we talk to
you? Probably.
Maybe Peacemaker. Oh yeah.
Could be yeah. Or.
Supergirl worst case scenario next year?
Yeah. Or Lanterns.
Hey, yeah, early 2026. We love to.
Do we're going to. Do episode by episode for.
Lanterns. Yeah, let's do it.
All right. Thanks.

(01:32:47):
For having me, I got to get going.
Talk to you guys later, OK, Rick, you want to?
Talk about the upcoming DCU slate at all.
Let's do I. I have a rankings here.
You have a ranking, so films. TV shows, there's stuff that's
on the schedule with dates, stuff that's to be determined,
right, probably going to happen,but will it's right, stuff in

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development, blah, blah, blah. We have our top five upcoming
DCU projects. So Ricky Flex, why don't you
start off at 5 and see what we anticipate coming up?
And just to clarify, this is. Anticipation slash.
Excitement levels or yeah, I'm you're most excited for OK.

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Good, because this is. Personal and this is DCU I.
Should we include the Batman? Part 2.
Should we exclude it because we're?
That's so obvious. That's so obvious.
Let's let's say core. DCU.
Like Superman Earth movies and projects.
OK, OK. I well.

(01:33:52):
So the reason I say that is because like obviously.
The Batman Part 2 is the most excited we'll be right in any
movie besides like the Odyssey maybe, or Doom Part 3.
Like, I think that's like, yeah.So I think that's obvious why?
I was just trying to. Exclude that.
It's like the asterisk on the list.
Like like. On the graphic, it'll be an
asterisk. We obviously it will literally
say obviously the Batman Part 2 is #1 yes, OK, all right.

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I'm just glad we. Got that out of the way all
right. My #5 Swamp Thing, yeah.
So Swamp Thing, it's. Going to be a dark origin story.
I am not a Swamp Thing guy. This is not, it's not because of
the character. It's because of the dark origin
story that they're going to do with another project, which will
come up later in my list and probably yours as well.
And James Van Gold is going to be a part of this.

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And I believe in James Van Gold.I believe in an origin story
with James Van Gold. And I think this is, again, it's
one of those situations where James Gunn is going to put his
faith in the filmmaker and JamesGunn is going to be able to put
his twist on this. I, I, I, and with Swamp Thing,
where there's not a huge comic book backing behind Swamp Thing.
So you kind of have free reign here.

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So I think James Van was going to put some interesting touches
here to kind of draw in an audience here and say, wow, this
is some great filmmaking. So this is kind of like a like a
long shot bet at my number 5 is Swamp Thing.
Yeah. I I I like it because this is.
James Van Gold investing in directors with good scripts,
good ideas and potentially an else world project, potentially

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DCU. I'm not really sure what it's
going to be. Seems like something that's been
tabled for now, but like something that James Gunn wants
to get made and James and James Mangold wants to make.
Not on my list, but I respect your ambitiousness.
I respect that because I, I, I, I just went with like pretty
heavy headers for my list, honestly.
And that shows that you picking that shows me you like James

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Mangold movies, and that's great.
Yeah. One thing I think.
Is not part of the. DCUI wanted.
To give a shout out the Dynamic Duo animated movie.
I wanted to give a shout out. It's not on my list.
Wow, did you put it on your list?
I love this because I didn't putit on my.
List because it's. Not ADCU movie but I would have

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been on my list if it's like unique animation.
It could not not look like spider verse because everyone
wants to be spider verse. Now it seems like the creators
for this project, they've done other stuff that I don't know,
it's like mixture of puppetry and animation.
I think it'd be cool with the acrobatics.
It's telling the story of Jason Todd and Dick Grayson, kind of a

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they're changing up the lore a little bit and it's like those
two working alongside each other.
I'm interested in that movie. I don't think it'll be DCU,
although it could be because you're going to get Damian Wayne
in The Brave and the Bold. So I I still don't think it's
going to be there. So it's not on my list.
Bane and Deathstroke. #5 just. Give me the big dogs, let the

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big dogs. Eat, you know, Bane and
Deathstroke. This is going to be like.
Such. This is going to be like their
Fast and Furious movie, you know, it should be for like the
DCU. Let's just get these big boys
rolling, you know? I just think this is going to be
a bro out movie. And I like how there's so many
projects concerned with like Batman villains.

(01:37:10):
I'm excited for this dude. This is what I have in my notes,
word for word. About being in Deathstroke, not
on my list. Honorable mention.
This will be the TCU's Hobbs andShaw.
Yeah, yes, yes. It's like this is what we didn't
know we. Needed, but I say that bearing
the cast. Is going to be so important for

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this dude. It's going to be so important
because in Hans and Shaw, you have two of the best action
heroes of or sorry, actors rightnow and one of all time, Jason
Statham, like here, like it's not like you have Batman holding
down the Fort. You're going to have to have
good casting really, and a good story behind it.
Like Hobbs and Shaw is fast and furious.
You know you're going to get like I, I love this pic.
I I'm just I need to see a. Casting.

(01:37:53):
Before I actually put it in my list, if it's a good casting,
then easily switched out for Swamp Thing, right?
But Swamp Thing I just I'm putting my faith in James Van
Gogh, like you said, like I'm a James Mango believer.
I just got to make sure this like, movie's real, it sounds.
So like, what are we doing? Like whoa, but I'm also like,
this could be awesome. Like this could just be

(01:38:13):
honestly, just watch the big, big dogs eat.
Like I just said, OK, you're 4 you.
Know I I love this this team. Since I was a child.
Teen Titans. Yeah, I have.
I'm going to change my 4:00. Just so we can diversify a
little bit, I had, I had this like 4 or 5:00-ish.

(01:38:33):
OK, so. I'm a.
Huge teen Titans fan. Not the animated show.
You know, Doc, I am a massive fan of Teen Titans.
Mike again, who was on the review huge Teen Titans show
fan, which just ended the show like a live action whatever.
He was a huge Titans fan. So I was a little disappointed

(01:38:54):
with the animated movie that recently came out.
But like obviously herald like very heralded by the critics
loved it. I it was way too childish for
me. I hated it, but I do love teen
Titans. I'm a little nervous with the
right. This would probably be higher my
list if the writer was more had more to it.
It's Anna Nagiria, don't know how to pronounce it, but she
wrote Vampire Diaries, a lot of it, the TV show and a couple

(01:39:17):
other like kind of iffy TV shows.
And she's actually writing Supergirl.
So for me it's like, I don't really like the background and
she's writing a Craig Gilespie movie and then she's going to do
Teen Titans. I got to see Supergirl first,
but I guess to kind of look at the bright side with the with
the writer is that oh, if James James Gunn sees oh wow, she this

(01:39:39):
Supergirl scripts good. I got to get her into teen
Titans. That's kind of how I'm looking
at it. We're like James Gunn saying,
oh, this is a good script. I got to keep her within this
universe. I hope so that's why it's 4 not
higher, but I love teen Titans. I hope Cyborg is in Teen Titans
just. Like the animated show?
I wonder if they'll do that. Dude, you cannot have a Teen
Titans movie in a in the universe.

(01:40:00):
Without Cyborg. Yep, I I I think also.
I, I'll, I'll take it off my list because I had it at four
and I'll talk about another movie.
But like, honestly, what would you rather have a Teen Titans
movie or a Nightwing movie? Well, I just told you I'm a.
Huge Teen Titans guy so I'm. I'm, I'm Teen Titans, but I, I
would like I'm I'm only. Excited for it, really, because

(01:40:23):
I want to see Nightwing. Dude, you know what?
I would actually let me. Hear me out.
For a second if we didn't have a.
Brave in the bold. Or like brave like if like brave
in the. Bold wasn't going to.
Come out like 2032. All right, so we have like a
long gap and we have this Battenson run trilogy.
Then I would be like, you know what?

(01:40:44):
Give me. A a Nightwing movie now to kind
of fill in in this DCU for The Batman while we have the
Battenson trilogy going on. Then you could sell me on that.
But too similar. You can't do Teen Titans,
Nightwing, Batman all like at the same time.
Too much, too much when you're starting out a universe.
And we were just talking about how the DCU cannot start rushing

(01:41:05):
into things. That's how they failed last
time. We cannot do this.
Do that. Yeah, it is kind of ballsy that
you're. Introducing them with like a
team up movie. You know like all these
characters, but like the whole thing is for me, Nightwing is
like my favorite part of teen Titans Robin.
He was my favorite character as a kid.
Robin slash Nightwing. That was my that was my hero.

(01:41:26):
That was my goat 4. I'll go Supergirl.
I'll put that number 4I I did like the cameo.
We didn't talk about the cameo in this movie acted as a post
credit in Superman, but the appearance it just it honestly,
some people are calling it a throwaway.
To me, it told you like what thetone of that movie potentially

(01:41:47):
can be. You know, it's been, I think
James Gunn described Craig Gillespie making like a cosmic
type of movie. Like it's going to be taking
place on different planets. You're going to have Kara, you
got Supergirl getting drunk. You know, Crypto's going to be
in the movie, which makes me excited to continue seeing
Crypto. You got Lobo with Jason Momoa, I
think a role that he was born toplay thinking like Duncan Idaho.

(01:42:09):
I want Momoa to like be that into the role, like, you know
what, not like Minecraft and just mail it in.
I want him to be, he seems like so obsessed with Lobo that he
wants to be like the Lobo. He wants it to be like, OK, this
is now mine. You know, just like Aquaman,
who's solid, right? But sometimes, you know, maybe a
little bit too much of actually him just being Jason Momoa as

(01:42:32):
Aquaman rather than being Aquaman.
I think he is Lobo. So that's going to be sick.
I'm not. I don't know if he's going to be
the main villain, but Millie Alcock, big screen debut for
Superman. Let's see how she does.
Maybe Superman makes a cameo to the next movie coming up.
So I got to say I'm hyped for it.
So this is my #6 did not make. My list and I I let me say this,

(01:42:55):
I do love the story. I think Supergirl is an
interesting character. What it's going off of is
Supergirl Woman of tomorrow. I did the Tom King comic or
whatever. I do like that where like again,
the early part of her life she'sliving on, you know, the Krypton
part that's dislodged, right? And like in that picture that
they showed at the DC Comic Con event, whatever it's called, I

(01:43:17):
forget, it shows like the picture of like Supergirl, like
all bloody beat up and whatnot and like, clearly sentimental,
emotional and that kind of plays.
So at the end of this movie of, of Superman 2025, where she's
getting drunk, maybe she's stillfeeling the effects and that's
why she gets drunk and what not,right, to try to get relief,
like goes to these red sun planets.

(01:43:37):
So she can like, not feel, I mean, depressed.
Yeah, depressed it could be. A sign of that I kind of like
loneliness. Loneliness.
Yep, exactly. And like James Gunn literally
said about this movie that it's a quote, horrible situation
where she watched everybody. Around her die.
I think I I'm going to really like it the.
Problem is Craig. Gillespie I Tonya, I really like

(01:43:58):
Cruella I like dumb money. Like these are like comedy
movies. Like I don't think he fits what
James Gunn is describing here orthe comic that it's based off
of. I really don't like that fit.
And then also I mentioned with sorry, Teen Titans, same writer
there, her vibe is not this either.
I I'm a little nervous for the behind the scenes kind of

(01:44:19):
castings that or decisions by James Gunn that fits with this
comic. I'm I'm more nervous about that.
So that's why it's not a part ofmy list and I kind of have to
see more in like the trailer. What not.
It's got to get more excited forit.
I got a little like drunk sorority girl vibe.
You know, familiar Alcock in that scene.
So I think Craig Gillespie is going to infuse a lot of comedy

(01:44:39):
for this. And I can tell by the character
there's going to be a lot of jokes here.
And Kara's not going to take anyshit.
You could already tell. I mean, she she doesn't take
shit from Superman. She calls him bitch like in that
movie then. So it'll be interesting.
Three. What do you got, Clayface?
I have it higher. Wow.
Number. Two wow, it's going to be

(01:45:03):
interesting what I hear, I thought.
We were going to have the same top three, but OK, so Clayface
kind of similar story with SwampThing for me where like again,
this is a James Gunn decision. I do like we have Mike Flanagan
here on the script. We have James Watkins here
behind the camera directing in the director's share.
I'm thinking speak no evil. I think that that those two

(01:45:25):
again, Mike Flanagan like a doctor sleep.
Those type of vibes fit so well in a Clayface movie.
That's going to be a body horror, right?
Love that. Love that and they're going to.
Focus on the story that we love from the animated series more
with Clayface. This is all recipes for a great
Clayface movie and I like the castings.
I don't remember his name but I like that unknown but good

(01:45:46):
looking guy. Young Series.
Series. Thank you.
I was thinking. Tom Reese.
And I was like, that's definitely not his name, but
it's something like Harry's. Yeah, but.
I I like the casting. Because well, he's under, he's
unknown and the Clayface kind ofstory is kind of like this actor
who is a good looking guy, but he's trying to like become

(01:46:07):
become and stay a big star and what not.
But then obviously he's trying to, you know, fix his face and
what not and then becomes Clayface.
Like I, I kind of like that. I like that casting for this guy
who's an unknown guy, but he's agood looking guy.
So I like all the recipe here behind the scenes for Clayface
and the story I like. That's why I have it this high
at 3:00. But you obviously like it more.
I have that too. I have it.

(01:46:29):
Because like, you don't green light this movie unless the
script is fire. You know, you don't have a
Batman yet and you're going to make a Clayface movie.
That would be insane. But James got us talking about
how the scripts are so important, like Flanagan doing
it. You know he's not directing yet.
You got the guy who did Speak NoEvil, right, directing this
movie. James Watkins.

(01:46:49):
You said it, but I think you wouldn't green light unless
like, it's just a great idea. This can make an excellent
movie. And we talked about how the
Superman movie kind of felt likeSuperman the Animated Series.
Like we're getting one of the iconic bat Batman the Animated
Series episodes, then turned into a movie.
Wow. And you're going to get to see
Gotham City before Brave and theBold.

(01:47:12):
Yeah. You know, anything Gotham City
Batman related, I'm probably going to have it on this list.
So I think it's going to be amazing thing where it's also
body horror hinting at like almost like a, it could be like
a like the substance, you know, type of thing.
And it's going to be inside the DCU.
So it's like you're going to seeaspects of the world in a

(01:47:32):
Clayface movie and you're going to see Gotham City just like
we're going to see, we just saw Metropolis.
You know, we're going different planets, probably with
Supergirl, just that'll be the first time we see it because
that's coming out next year. Dude.
Clayface is coming out next year.
I had the date year. Where is the date?
Where is the date Clayface? Clayface, September 11th, 2020.

(01:47:56):
Six, it says. Yeah, so that's my 2.
So then what's your 3 lanterns? Do I say where I have it right
now? Yeah.
I have it at 1:00. Wow, you have a.
Show at #1 Damn right Wow. Is it because of the true?

(01:48:18):
Detective tone? Yeah, pretty much.
Dude, they're hyping. This up dude?
They're hyping this up, this high concept detective drama.
I'm taking over this pic of my number one for God's sakes.
I'll give you the rest of the floor.
But dude, Lancers #1 Green Lanterns.
Like I love the Green Lanterns. All of them.
All three big, big heavy headersand Hal Jordan and older Hal

(01:48:38):
Jordan haven't seen that really.And Kyle Chandler, God damn, I
love Friday Night Lights. Come on now.
And I love everything. Kyle Chandler is in bloodline
even Holy crap. So I I love that casting.
Jon Stewart, we talked about it with Snyder.
We we almost had it. We almost had it.
We never got it. That's my favorite Green
Lantern. We finally get to see him, and
it's Aaron Pierre coming up who has incredible momentum right

(01:49:01):
now, both Rebel Ridge and HBO. It's going to be a true HBO
show. We talk what they just did with
the. Penguin and they're putting the
True Detective label on it and it's early 2026.
It's coming out soon, like a very soon.
Six months maybe, like that's why my excitement levels are
very high and I sit. Off the top.
Like this is like, like excitement levels, anticipation

(01:49:22):
levels for myself, right? That's why I kind of clarified
it. That's why Lanterns for me is #1
we've gotten all these like details behind it.
The people behind it. Like they said, we talked about
Big Mike with Lindelof. Like it's insane amount of
resources that they have for this show and everything that
they're doing. And again, they're putting such
high expectations on it, but they are not backing down.
If anything, they keep ramping it up.

(01:49:43):
So Lanterns for me is #1 this isgoing to be a huge project.
I think because it's really. Going to test like the different
tones of shows and movies insidethe DCU characters moving from
one movie tone to it or a project to another.
You're going to have Guy Gardnerin Lanterns.
And apparently drops a lot of F.Bombs, which is something he

(01:50:04):
couldn't do in Superman, but he can do in Lanterns because HBO
show going to be like R rated True Detective vibes.
I think that it's going to be a test to see how that character
fares. How different is it and is it
really the True Detective tone? Right?
When you say it, it sounds great, but when you do it, is it

(01:50:25):
actually going to be executed inthe way we think it is?
That's why I guess I'm highly anticipating it because if they
pull it off, it's like wow, DCU cooking and doing it on the
small screen as well because it's small screen.
I didn't have it and #1 but I love Kyle Chandler, dude, I love
Kyle Chandler and I think it's cool that they're including the
Green Lantern core that were teased in Superman.

(01:50:46):
Like you're getting at least three Green Lanterns in this
movie, you know, and you're going to have aging how Jordan
paving the way for Aaron Pierre.And like Aaron Pierre, you had,
you had you had like David Cornsworth talking about calling
Aaron Pierre, welcoming him to the DCU.
It's like, Can you imagine thesetwo like together?
Justice League being built, you know, solo projects, you know,

(01:51:07):
before we get to the Justice League movie.
Very exciting stuff. What if it leads into a Jon
Stewart solo? Movie dude that's possibly what
could happen here because I. Assume Aaron Pierce deals got to
be for TV and movies. Yeah, and it keeps him again,
there's. Talk of him being Bond, he could
do both probably, but like, thatkeeps him out of the MCU, that

(01:51:27):
keeps him within the DCU. And again, Jon Stewart, someone
that we were so close to gettingon the big screen, didn't like
we had the Abominal Rob, sorry, Rob Ryan Reynolds movie like
Green Lantern. Besides cyborgs, probably like
the most like unjusted justifiedor the worst screen on on screen
like theatrical appearance we'veever had, right?

(01:51:51):
Like it's pretty bad what the DChas treated the way DC has
treated the Green Lantern character.
So we just got the best Green Lantern we've ever seen in a
movie. We just did, which is a crazy.
Statement. Yeah.
It is. Yeah, we do need this.
It's a, it's like how you have it at #1 I, I was thinking about

(01:52:11):
it, honestly, I was going to go crazy and put Clayface at #1 but
I have the brave and the bold one.
That's my hand and the. Reason I.
Was it's Batman. So it's like hard for anything
to for me to get more excited for.
But what deters me a little bit.Andy Machete.
Yep, that's why. It's not.

(01:52:31):
That's why it's not. #1 for me, I didn't know if he was going to
be directing it. He's.
At the Superman premiere, which makes me think that he is going
to be directing this movie. I don't love the tone.
Of the. Flash and then all of a sudden
you're making a Batman movie. I know the scenes with Michael
Keaton were good in The Flash, but I would say some of the Ben

(01:52:52):
Affleck scenes weren't that great, didn't look so good.
So I think he has the potential to make some cool moments.
I hope they don't have the same cinematographer from The Flash
and Superman doing Batman. I don't know.
He I, I think it was OK for Superman.
It was a kind of a surreal type of like visual that you got and
then it didn't look like Earth, like these wide shots like these

(01:53:13):
zoom the lights, No, the bright vibrant colors everywhere
doesn't really work with Batman.So maybe they don't have that
cinematographer come back. But Brave in the Bold is just
seeing Damian Wayne. Just think about the characters
like Batman, Damian Wayne. Damian Wayne's going to be a
little devil, dude. He's going to be a little devil
out there. I saw someone wanted to fan cast
and put the adolescent kid as Damian Wayne that I do I.

(01:53:38):
Haven't finished Adolus and I still have an episode left.
I haven't watched in like a month.
You still have the second episode though?
Yeah, I saw the 2nd episode. Oh did I see the 2nd episode?
But that's not bad. But Daniel Wayne energy dude in
that second episode but. Yeah, Annie Machete.
I don't trust him with the Batman.
And the full bat family. I, I, I, I don't trust him at
all. So that's that's why he's at 2.

(01:53:59):
And honestly, I wanted I wanted to do Clayface that two over
this because of that right. Maybe some castings of Batman or
Damian Wayne would help, like kind of propelled me to keep it
at 2:00. But with any machete still
linked to this, I honestly want to change and put clay face it
too. But the only reason why right
now, like I had I had it is because the importance of Batman

(01:54:23):
and to the DCU and also it's going to be a theatrical
iteration that we've never seen before, right?
We've never seen Damian Wayne onon screen.
I love I love Robin. I like having a Robin in there.
I. Love having a Robin but we've
never seen Damian Wayne and. You know, little kid energy,
it's hit or miss, it's hit or miss.
It is. But I, I I'm more of a Damian

(01:54:43):
Wayne fan, right, because I lovethe rise all cool element.
I love everything, all the opportunities that it allows you
to have. So I I and also quarter battles.
You can you can you can have a lot of things going on with the
Damian Wayne element here with Batman.
So and we got an older Batman that we have not seen on the big
screen. It's going to be a darker,
grittier Batman. Too, Which I'm not nervous about

(01:55:04):
them getting the tone wrong because unless I have like James
Gunn writing it, you know, like I hope he's not writing it.
I I think he there is someone writing it, but he doesn't want
to disclose who it is because incase we don't do it, like
embarrasses the writer like typeof thing.
So, yeah, I forgot what I was going to say, but the yeah, I'm
not concerned about the tone. Like he said that it's going to

(01:55:25):
be his version of Batman is still going to be dark.
Like he's not doing like a can'tbe Batman because he made more
of a light hearted Superman movie.
You know, that they're not goingto have it totally match that.
You know, I love the idea of potentially having a Gotham City
that you only go to when it's dark and it's it's it's it's
just a it's crime rate and disgusting, you know, compared

(01:55:48):
to like the brighter Metropolis.You know, I do want that
contrast. We haven't talked about the the
possibility. Of.
Pattinson entering right the fray here.
I don't think he will. I I don't want to talk about it.
It's not happening. It's not happening.
But yeah, Yeah. Did you already see your one?
Lanterns. Lanterns.
Oh. Shit.
I mean, yeah, yeah. OK, so we have our list.

(01:56:09):
Boom. Anything else that you want to
bring up? Any other?
Projects that are. You were intrigued by So Wonder
Woman. I need a casting to get.
Excited for this, and especiallyit's so important of a movie,
but like, we don't know anythingabout it except that they're
developing a Wonder Woman movie.So doesn't get me too excited
except one woman. So now on my list, The Authority
got put on the back burner. The engineer makes me less

(01:56:31):
excited. Yeah.
And. They got put on the back burner.
Can't get excited for that. So that not on my list.
And then really after that it's the TV shows.
And really if you look at it besides lanterns, they're all C
or lower or lower tier DC characters.
And like, I'm not saying they'renot going to be good, but like
look at Peacemaker. I think that's good.
But again, I think that's going to need more of a word of mouth

(01:56:53):
slash quality. Like, hey, you can't miss this
show. It's that good.
Or like, you know, it's like Iron Heart, for example, not
doing that great critic wise andalso fan wise, right?
We're going to and again, there's a sea level or lower
character in the MCU. We need it for DC to do like an
iron heart. It needs to be good, right?
It needs to be good and have people invested.

(01:57:15):
No one got invested in Iron heart, right?
Like I'm only watching because of mefesto for DC.
Booster Gold needs to be good because people fall in love,
they get invested in Booster Gold and they like them a lot or
they love the show. It's a quality show.
That's why, like all these, it'sa it's a need to show me the
show me story. The only ones I.

(01:57:36):
Really were considering are someTV shows.
I am looking forward to Peacemaker season 2.
I did like the first season. I didn't think it was a
masterpiece. MM was talking about it and MM
said he really liked it. But I'm I'm not as high on it as
him, but I I am excited for it. But it's more like Waller.
I think it's going to be interesting because you could
have a lot of exploration of theDCU because like she's going to

(01:57:57):
be, it's maybe a show, it's a show about her, but it's going
to be her interactions. Like she could interact with Lex
Luthor, like in that show, you know, you, you really don't
know. I don't know if Nicholas Holt
would be down for that or if he's contractually obligated for
that. But Amanda Waller and Lex
Luthor, it's that's a insane dynamic in the animated
universe, you know? And then they could be talking

(01:58:18):
with a bunch of villains, like in that show, you know, we can
really explore a lot. Booster Gold just 'cause I think
it'd be a fun show. And then the other thing I was
considering. That's it, that's it.
No Bridge Commando season 2 Paradise.
Lost is. Interesting because I.
Thought of when they said 300 years like meta meta humans have
been here like the show for themiscura Paradise Lost prequel

(01:58:40):
to Wonder Woman potentially could be going centuries back so
that's kind of cool yeah but yeah I.
Think our lists are good? The guy have.
Lanterns, Brave in the Bold, Clayface, Teen Titan, Swamp
Thing, very theatrical heavy. Except Lanterns and same for
you. You have Brave in the Bold,
Clayface, Lantern, Supergirl, Bane and Deathstroke.
Like again, that's good thing for the DC where you have all
these TV shows again, like maybelike you like it's no except

(01:59:02):
Lancers, like you don't have anylike studs out there.
But what matters is the big screen is getting the big
screen, right, Right. And I think with our list having
the big screen on it, I think that's a good sign for the DCU
going forward. Yeah, I think.
So a lot of intriguing. Projects, some that are big
names, other ones that are lesser.
But we're off to a solid start, right?

(01:59:25):
Good first installment for the DCU with Superman.
That does it for our episode, does it for our rankings, and on
Friday you can expect Checkup, Trailer, Roundup, and then
Monday, a week from today, we'redoing something special.
Yes. Eddington's coming out.
Yes, we'll see Eddington, but what also is coming out same

(01:59:47):
weekend as Fantastic Four? Happy Gilmore 2 that calls for a
special throwback review. Happy Gilmore on Monday, Ricky
Flex. Should they be?
Should the fans be excited here?I think it should be because.
Obviously Fantastic Four is going to take president over
Happy Gilmore too. It's just it, right?
So this is. Our long take Happy.

(02:00:08):
Gilmore honoring session. We're doing it a week early and
we'll talk about Happy Gilmore. Happy Gilmore 2.
Maybe not in the Fantastic Four pod, but we'll talk about it.
But we're going to get you your Happy Gilmore fix a little early
this year. Have we had a Sandler draft?
Did we do that? I think we did.
We did a yes, we. Did we did.
For the hustle we did, we did OK.

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