'The Bear' Season 4 Review, Season 5 Renewal + 'The Bear' Characters Draft

Episode Rundown:

- Renewed for season 5

- Season 4 Review

- Characters Draft

Episode Transcript

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This is the Drive In podcast Take One.

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Howdy Doody. Welcome to episode 469 of TDI.
This is Doctor O on the horn to start per usual and as always
I'm joined by my Co host, my best friend and former Sue at
the French Laundry. Ricky Flicks.

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How are you my friend? We have massive news before we
get to our discussion on the Bear season 4.
Like first questions got to be, did you see this news coming?
I think so. I was pretty confident and that.
News is. The Bear has been renewed for a
fifth season. Insane timing.

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We always said dating back to last week we were going to talk
about Bear Season 4. Tuesday night, July 1st we get
the news renewed for season 5 and Ricky flicks.
Now my thoughts are racing abouthow it felt about the ending of
this season. I kind of assumed by the ending

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of this season we weren't going to get a season 5, you know?
And I feel now this show maybe could have had a different
ending to the season if they always knew a season 5 was
coming. You know, I feel like I'm now
second guessing my thoughts on the show right as we head into
our reactions and our draft of the best characters from the

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bear. So I don't know are you having
any other like I guess second, second guessing of yourself
following season 4? The only thing I'm second
guessing is my approach to season 4, where I think if you
take a look behind the curtain of the bear and what they told
us is that this was supposed to be a three season arc of a
series, right? And then Hulu kind of stretches

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it out into a Four Seasons. So 3 and 4 is really one season,
but they stretch it out into two.
I think as we talked about season 3 and what we'll probably
talk about Season 4, they could have probably condensed it for
sure. But the way it just ended in
Season 4 just left the door open, clearly.

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So whether there were rewrites about what Christopher Store and
Joanna Carlo were thinking when they wrote Season 3/4 where they
expected it to end by basically after season 4, I think they
edited it because I think they always knew this was going to
happen. The day that Breaking Bear
Season 4 drops, you get Variety or Hollywood Reporter coming out

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and saying there's potential fora season 5 because everyone's
under contract to come back for a season 5, so they're giving
you that hint. So I guess what I'm trying to
say is my approach to season 4 at the beginning was, oh, this
is going to be the last season. And then right when that news
comes out of maybe a potential fifth season, it's like, wow,

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OK, so they might leave the dooropen, which they did.
And now look what we get today. They left the door open, but
it's not wide open for everybodyon the show.
Based on how this ended, where we find the characters, I
thought there was closure to this season and a lot of
storylines and dynamics between characters that had lasted
multiple seasons from the end ofSeason 2 going till the end of

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Season 4. And this is where I find myself
thinking, look at this ensemble,look at this talented cast.
I can't believe they're under contract for another season.
It seemed like you, me and Jeremy Allen White playing Bruce
Springsteen. You got, you know, IO Edebury
being cast in a new thing every other week.

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You got even Moss Bacharach, who's in the thing?
Who is the thing in the upcomingFantastic Four First Steps?
Seems like everyone's knocking at his door.
Who knows what else is going on for so many members of this
cast. I mean, like, Will Poulter takes
on a stronger role in The Bear for Season 4.
Can you anticipate him to come back for Season 5?

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I just find that it seems like most prestige shows, they would
end after that Season 4, you know?
And it kind of is a little bit of a luxury to be able to have
them on for a fifth season because I know they weren't
advertising. It was the last season.
But to me, that finale, that season finale initially felt

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like a serious finale for me. I think I, I, I do you.
I kind of think we should wait to talk about what will happen.
You know, when we after we talk about Season 4 itself, then we
talk about like what we can expect to see.
It was just too massive of a story to ignore.
It was an elephant in the room before we recorded Ricky Flicks,
but any other thoughts before wedive into season 4?

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Well, I think this would be a good bridge to our our reactions
here. Yeah, it'll be.
It's a sandwich. Yeah, and I, I guess the I'll,
I'll start off here saying therewas a weird lack of promo for
this season. I don't know.
But like season 1 happens, it goes under the radar, huge word
of mouth, like you have to watchthe bear.

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And then you just have people saying yes, chef behind
everywhere you're going and the lingo's picking up.
You're talking about the one take episode when Carmi goes
nuts, Marcus and Sid quit and then obviously the ending and
wow, you have to watch season 2.And then the word of mouth
builds up. More people watch the show.
It's starting to get awards buzz.

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Then season 2 comes out and it'slike, holy crap, this is the
best show on television, right? And it's like season 3.
Then it's like you get the you get a core audience, right?
And you do some promo, but you have it there.
But for this season when you might have lost some, I guess
convinced or not convinced audience members after your

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third season, I found it shocking that I just didn't see
the bear everywhere. I I was on streaming on
commercials for ESPN and what not again, Hulu now at Disney
company. It just really let the show
speak for itself. And I feel like this season 4.
It just felt odd not to potentially your final season.

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What we all thought. It just felt weird how you're
not promoting it more, which again goes back to maybe this
isn't the last season or is thisas good as we thought it was
after Season 2? Or maybe they didn't know it was
going to be the last season or not and this is a last second
decision that was made. Because I agree it's promotion.
Also the talk of the show, it's quieter than last year.

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This has come out every year, 4 consecutive years, Four Seasons
like rarely seen for such a highquality, high level of a
television show. And I also feel that after
season 2, you had so much momentum for this show and
everyone can't wait for the nextseason of the Bear.
And then when you have a very uneven third season, carrying
over the third season arcs to the fourth season, not a lot of

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closure in that third season. It feels like there was almost a
loss of appetite, for a lack of a better term, a loss of an
appetite for this show, at leastfor people that weren't the
diehards. I would say, you know, I feel
like the people that hold this show close to their chest,
they're still going to be there.They're jacked up about Season
5. I think a lot of people that
were turned off by Season 3 and they hear that there's going to

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be a fifth season. I don't know if they're going to
hop back on board anymore. This was the ultimate word of
mouth show. I don't even think there's a
better example of a word of mouth show than the Bears Season
1, You know, And so when you're losing and dying down that
audience, it's kind of like, wow, I can't believe they're
making a fifth season. They're not just going to let
it, you know, die here. Yeah, it just felt a little
hidden to me, you know, and I know Netflix numbers came out

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today and saying, oh, this is the only like the show, 60
million US or domestic people watch this show, which I just
don't believe because I don't know a single person that has
watched the third season of Squid Game yet.
Oh, Squid Game. OK, gotcha.
And I felt like that was a little hidden, but not as much
as the bear. Like I was seeing that all over
my social media timeline. Squid Game this week, right?

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And I especially because David Fincher Squid Game that got
released this week or news released this week about that's
going to start production in production in December.
Timing obviously probably lined up that news with the release
this week. But I don't know, man, like I
just, I, I felt like this seasonwas a lot similar to the third

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season where I think it's season5.
I think you're going to have to promote it a lot more than you
did for seasons 3 and 4. You cannot rely on word of mouth
anymore because. I you got to say it's the last
one, you got to say this is it. Yeah, I think you do.
And it's because I think the season was similar to three and
that was a little choppy, just like like overall thoughts right

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now reactions. It was a little choppy and I
don't think it landed the plane as smoothly as maybe they think
they did. I agree I guess.
Uneven choppy that's similar like similar, I guess type of
take on this season. I still liked it a lot more than
the third season. I think it the show was way

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funnier this season. I think the show was less in
love with itself, I think compared to the third season
where you have like the All Starcast and the supporting, you
know, like the cameos that are are popping up in the show, less
solo episodes, more like you still have those lovable, like

(09:48):
smaller arcs for supporting characters.
But we're not going to hand overan episode to Nat.
We're not going to hand over an episode to Tina.
We'll still give an episode to Sid, but Sid is one of the core
3. I feel like this show did what I
I watched the the first episode of season 3 before I watched
season 4 because it's a masterpiece.
And what came to mind is that I feel like Christopher Store took

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his own advice, like from writing this show, running this
show. What is the key term that Joel
Mchale's character right? This key advice that he gives
Carmy. Do you remember Ricky Flex?
What's he write on a post it note for him to always remember?
Of Joel Mchale's character. Yeah, I believe he wrote it.
Oh, I. Don't I don't remember.

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Subtract, subtract like just like Carmi subtracting the menu,
keeping it simple. This show I feel like I know
you're continuing some arcs fromseason 3 and carrying the season
4, but you got back to staying simple, focusing on the core
characters, giving the smaller arcs, not having them try and
steal the show and shoulder moreof the load than they really can

(10:54):
handle. I think overall I just had a fun
time watching this after a very frustrating season 3 and I think
an angry like season and three. This to me was not on the part
of season 1 and 2 but got back to what makes the bear really
good. Still has its flaws, but very,
very good. See, I, I think I'm going to

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take that analogy or yeah, the analogy to the subtract and kind
of push back against you. I think we could have subtracted
a lot more. I, I, I, I think we could have
even gone deeper into the core characters because, and this is
spoilers, right? Like we're just.
I think we'll just do it right now with this is obviously if
you have seen the bear stick around and if you haven't seen

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the bear pause this go watch thebear and then come to our bear
season 4 reactions spoilers you've been warned got.
Yeah, 'cause like I, I think youare right where like there's
less like one off episodes like,but I would say like Sydney had
like not just episode 4, but like 5 and six were kind of like
her arc, I would say. So she had more than one versus
like seasons two and three. And I again, you can say what

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you want, whether you love them or hate those episodes,
whatever. But I would say like we had
other arcs that just weren't fulfilled, right, Which kind of
leans into a season 5. I'm thinking of Marcus and his
dad, who we don't even meet. We have Lucas come in the back
half of the season. We have Richie and Carmi, I
guess come into a complete arc there.
But what I would say is that your core character is Carmi,

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and I think they did foreshadow the ending pretty well when you
look back at it at it. But the problem is, is that it
did felt like you just got slapped in the face without
expecting. It was a very abrupt like when
he was just like, I'm I'm out. And I think they just didn't do
a great job convincing us in hisarc this season that he doesn't

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love the food. And like I think when you look
back on it, you could see it, but I think when you're watching
it and that abruptness is not like a holy crap moment.
Like wow, I didn't see that coming.
It's like a huh, like he's just not going to be a part of his
family and the beef and what not.
Like I I just didn't think they did enough for me with the core
characters arc, which I think goes back to you probably could

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have subtracted other areas and focused more on hidden.
OK, so I think I sort of agree. I sort of agree 'cause when I I
knew in that finale, when Carmi has that conversation with Sid
and then Richie comes into the conversation, you get like that
closure from obviously finding out what Sid's gonna do.

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Her and Carmi finally having a conversation, hashing out the
future of the bear, her staying with the bear and Carmi leaving.
But then Richie coming in and sorting out something that I
have been waiting since the end of season 2, right?
Finally, Richie and Carm have longer than a 5 minute
conversation with one another and they get to the root of

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their issues right and how they can move past it and ultimately
was about Mikey's death. You know, I do feel like that
was, it was so many things I hadbeen waiting for and you got it
done with this one conversation.I didn't exactly love that there
was closure, which is nice, but it's one thing.
You answer the question you've been waiting for two seasons and
you answer for one season, you answer another, another, you

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know, so like finish another storyline for that's lasted two
seasons, one like on top of another.
It was a lot to take in as an audience member.
Very emotional, very good acting.
But I feel like I give this showtoo much credit sometimes and
I'm just loyal to a fault. And I'm willing to be like,
yeah, you're stringing me along a little bit, right?

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Can you give me more with honestly Richie and Carm?
I wanted more. I I like to see those two.
I feel like the show is cooking when they're communicating and
when they are going back and forth, even if they don't see
eye to eye. I feel like the last two seasons
I really missed that. The Sid thing I do want us like
this is what also now I kind of see why they're doing a season

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5. I feel like they were getting
you ready for a show without Carm in the lead or with Jeremy
Allen White not being in the show.
You know, And I do like, I'll, I'll stop there.
I want to hear your thoughts on that because I did feel like,
OK, like Carm's gone. He's not in the contract.
It feels like that title goodbyefor the last episode is us not

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saying goodbye to the show. It's saying goodbye to Carm like
he probably won't be back for Season 5.
And with the focus on Sid, with the focus on Richie, those are
your two leads going into the future.
Thoughts on that? Yeah, I right.
When we were watching that episode or we're watching the
finale and it's like he's leaving and they do that little

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twist on you where it's not Sid,it's him.
If you just look at it from an outside perspective, like a meta
perspective, it's like, Oh yeah,this is the he's Bruce
Springsteen. You know, Ed Barry's doing all
these great stuff, working with Disney, Teenage Mutant Ninja
Turtles, voice acting, like she's in a bunch of stuff.
Marcus is now getting in the mixand other stuff.
Richie's obviously the thing, but car meet Jeremy Allen White

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is the guy you know, and he's the one that is potentially
going for Oscars. You know, as we talked about on
the check up a lot with him and roles of whether it's the iron
claw or here or sorry, Bruce Springsteen, right.
So I think that they are kind ofsetting up for that where it's
like, oh, this whole season, like I was just saying, did not

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have as much karma as you probably should have.
And I think that was also kind to try to set up everyone else
for season 5. And what they should have done
is I still have that, but you still have to have a good
storybook ending for your core character.
Why this show is great for the most part.
And another thing that you just mentioned where I think is a

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huge problem with Season 3 and 4and especially 4 is that I I
felt like Richie was too much ofA minor character and not a
supporting character. You know, he wasn't a true
supporting like second like he was in season 1 two right That
some of the best stuff about thebear is when Richie and Carmi
are just conversing with each other, similar to like I I love

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Claire and Carmi converse with each other, but there's nothing
that compares to Richie and Carmi back and forth.
Maybe Mikey, but that's it, right?
That is absolutely it. And the past two seasons, again,
like you said, it felt like theywere string you along in this
relationship when you're missingarguably the best thing about
the show, which is their relationship on camera.

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And I think that's a huge problem to maybe not us where
we're core bear fans, but to theguys that or the people that you
know, they're watching the show for the cooking scenes and the
laughs and some of the camaraderie that you see on
screen. Just a feel good 30 minute show.
They're not sticking around through Season 4 and then
they're definitely not stick sticking around for Season 5,

(17:51):
especially without Carmi. Yeah, it did feel like they are
setting everybody up. The Bears is going to is going
to be fine and we'll have a chance at a Michelin star even
if Carmi's not there. Just even going beyond you're
just bringing in like Garrett and the and the ever, you know,
hospitality coming to help out. Also Richie, he's got to get

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laid by the hospitality girl. It's gone way too long.
It's gone way too long for that to not have they're.
Stringing you along. That's a great a great phrase.
They're exactly what they're doing.
Stretching it out. We're loyal to a fault, you
know? We're loyal to a fault.
But like having sweeps, being like having this new role as
like the wine connoisseur and him like caring about his job,

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getting so good at his job. You know, IO obviously her in
the last couple seasons, learning how to become a leader,
the coach K of it all. Who else do we have Ibrahim when
he is talking about the beef expansion and the window
expansion, having multiple locations.
The inclusion of Rob Reiner as agreat cameo throughout this

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season I thought was awesome. Having Will Poulter's character
that becomes an experienced likehigh level chef that is like a
Sue at this time to Marcus. But if I can totally see with
this chemistry with IO Debris and the Sid character, he
replaces Carm like it's going tobe Will in my, I think if I was

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setting this up, you have such agreat dynamic in that kitchen.
Marcus is named best young, one of the best young chefs in
Chicago, right? So he is set up like you have
him to lean on. You have Sid who's too good for
Shapiro. That's written into the
contract. You have classically trained
Will Poulter. You have Tina who's figured it
out and who has learned from theWill Poulter character.

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Everybody is set up to have success.
And it leaves Jeremy Allen Whiteon the outside looking in and
him noticing and recognizing. They don't need me to be
successful. But you know, he is the core of
the show. That's what's so hard.
And I wanted to talk about something with you really quick
and it's something you brought up.

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Was it baked in enough for him to leave the show?
Because. When I watched that, I like I
knew that was going to be such acontroversial scene with him
leaving the bear and I was people.
It's going to be polarizing, love, hate type of thing.
And at when I first saw it, I was like, damn, that kind of
feels quick. That kind of feels like it could
have been kind of laid down a little thicker in the episodes.

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There are a lot of characters toget to in this show, a lot of
characters we love. But when I was looking back at
my notes, I'm looking back at like episode 2 and it's like
Sugar talking to Carm and Sugar is telling him, like, you don't
have to do it if you don't love it anymore.
You know, that type of thing. It's the scenes with Carm in the
kitchen. The times that we see Carm in
the kitchen, he's not really cooking.
He's watching Sid cook and he's watching how good she is

(20:47):
becoming. It's him bending the knee to Sid
in a lot of those scenes. And the it's honestly the first
season you get more Carm outsidethe kitchen than inside the
kitchen. So when I reflected on it, I'm
like, I do see how he leaves. Do I like the way they executed
it and they had those back-to-back you like
conversations between Sid, Carm,Carm, Richie?

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No, no. But I do think they did a decent
job baking it in. Yeah, I think they did a good
job, like giving you hints. They're teasing at it a little
bit without you actually believing it, right.
And I think they did a great jobforeshadowing it.
You mentioned a few things there.
There there was a scene of him at like at a museum.
Frank Lloyd Wright. I was like, why is he there?

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And now he could probably deduceit to being, oh, he's trying to
figure out his next move, I guess, or like what he likes.
I guess what I mean he. Has no hobbies.
Yeah, like, he literally only knows, like, sleep, barely cook,
don't eat, only eat what you have to try in the kitchen and
then go home, right. And then on Sundays, rest.

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He's been doing that for 10 years, right?
I just think for me, like, yeah,sure, you could do a good job
foreshadowing it when you look back on and be like, oh, I see
that and I see that little Easter egg.
But again, it's why you're watching the show the first
time. And to be honest, probably only
time I will watch this season iswhere I need to be convinced by
it. You know, I have to feel like

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that completes the circle. And I did not feel that.
I just did not feel that whatsoever.
So it's like, OK, great. You gave me you gave me some
hints. Like you show the gun earlier in
the movie. And I know that guy has a gun at
the end and he's going to kill somebody or at least try to,
right? And it's going to go through his
mind. You did that.
But I have to convince that he could kill somebody, you know,

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and I'm not convinced. So that's the problem, OK,
because there's other times whenI'm looking at Carm in this
season at the wedding when he has a panic attack and it's he
doesn't know how to have a conversation with people, like
he doesn't know who he is. This this, you know how we
talked about season 3? No closure at all.

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And they carry a lot of those arcs into season 4 and season 4.
Those first few episodes, I get nervous.
I'm like, wow, are we just goingto really repeat the same things
they do? Just repeat a couple of them.
But the. Huge.
Theme that was newly, I guess, Iguess newly conceived of for
this particular season is Carmi trying to find himself.

(23:17):
I think he goes to the Frank Lloyd Wright thing.
When I first watched him, and I watched him in that scene
outside the kitchen, going to watch this architect.
He's trying to connect to a different form of artistry.
And I'm also thinking, is he looking for inspiration?
But he's not really doing anything to the menu.
He's kind of dialing it back. If anything, I think he's trying

(23:37):
to just connect with something then he just doesn't know how to
do. But it makes me wonder, wow,
what if you have Season 5? You're going to have to explain
now what Carm's going to do. Like Season 4, if you ended it
right there, you can imagine whatever.
Maybe he's a bum on Claire's couch.
Maybe he maybe he runs the beef with Ibrahim.

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Maybe he goes away for a while. Maybe he's just in therapy.
You know, now you're going to have to say what's going on with
Carm. And it's hard to imagine he
doesn't return to the kitchen afterwards, you know?
So I think like with this direction of the season, you
know, the identity thing, it makes it hard to include Carm in
the next season at all. It does.
It does. But I feel like again, if you

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look back to prior seasons, likehe's a great artist for him
drawing the food and what not. And they're they're hinting at
him become an architect in this season for sure.
It's like you could kind of insinuate that he's going to
find himself either become an architect or an artist in a
different way, but not through food, right?
Something that he's actually passionate about maybe, which is
drawing right? I could see that because like

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the. Whole I did not think of that.
That's good. But like the way he got like the
only way, the reason why he did food.
This guy's dad bought a restaurant and he wanted to be
close to Mikey, right? He wanted to work with Mikey.
It was his dream not to cook food, but to be with Mikey,
right? But then he leaves and he does
it out of spite and to get away from everything and run away

(25:05):
from everything is like, I want to be the I want them to be
pissed off how good I am, right?And show them like, I should
have worked in the restaurant with you, Mikey, like I'm going
to show you how good I am. And he took it like not because
he loves food. He's not travelling the world
cooking food for 20 out of 24 hours just because he loves
cooking. He's doing it to be the best and
like try to show his brother that he was wrong to not let him

(25:27):
in the kitchen, you know, and find I got I get all that right.
And I could see the architect storyline kind of coming to
fruition or at least drawing andfind another art, right?
It's just, again, it's about thegun.
You show me the gun. I'm still not convinced this
guy's murdering anybody. I'm still not convinced that
this guy would, again, someone that's trying to reconnect with

(25:48):
his family and convince his family.
Like I was actually at the funeral.
I actually do care a lot about you.
I'm trying to work on myself as a show throughout this season of
him doing that, that he would just get up and leave the
restaurant when everyone knows. Like he thinks that's the best
thing. And yes, you could.
I think it's hit or miss polarizing whether it is the
best thing because he's the drama guy, right?
But Sid's kind of right where he's like he is kind of running

(26:09):
away again and to some people, right, he's running away from
the problems of I know he says he's going to figure out the
debt, but he is running away from his family and his new
found family in the bear, right?You could look at it that way as
well. You could be running away from
his new found family. But I think depending on where
you see, I, I, I don't necessarily think it was the
right decision, you know, but I think it made sense by the way

(26:32):
Carm's character was going this season because I think it is
very he's very self-destructive.Like obviously, you know, he
breaks down very easily. He's sensitive.
You know, he has run away from the family before, but he did
like carry out Mike's dream, Mikey's dream.
You know, he has a restaurant and he thinks this is the best
way for the restaurant to continue.
Whether he's right or wrong, we'll see probably with Season

(26:53):
5, you know, but I maybe he getsstronger connected with his
family. That's something that's another
direction that we go with season5.
He goes to his house for the first time, I think since like
the events of the fish's episode.
He goes to see his mother and hehas a conversation with Jamie
Lee Curtis. He opens up and she apologizes
to him. I feel like there's going to be

(27:14):
more connectivity. I actually think that Jeremy
Alan White kind of be the Mikey for Season 5 of the Bear where
the show is passed on like a mantle to Sid and Richie running
the bear, Nat included in that trio of ownership.
And then Jeremy Allen White goeson to do whatever he does, you

(27:36):
know, to try and get better. And maybe he goes back to see
Sid. Maybe she needs a conversation,
a talk, maybe Richie does or Nat, whatever, but he becomes
like that wise type of figure that, you know, that hero to
Sid, just like Mikey was the hero to call me, you know?
I feel like that's how you can incorporate them, you know, and

(27:56):
don't have to focus on Carmy toomuch if he's not in the kitchen.
I think that might be a wise wayto kind of approach Season 5.
It definitely seems like like with the flashbacks and whatnot,
like even like the only Jon Bernthal Mikey episode or scene
that we got was the first scene of the season of Carmi cooking

(28:17):
the gravy, the sauce and and saying like, you have to watch
it, you have to stir it and you like basically have to care for
it, right? And it seems like Carmi was kind
of doing that to Sid throughout these past few seasons, right?
And like being the Big Brother to sit.
So I think yeah, I think you're spot on where like maybe next

(28:38):
season again, this is like a close knit family, not just on
camera, but off camera too. Like you look at all the the
promo that they used to do or the awards push that they used
to do and all the interviews andwhat not.
They do them together, right? Someone's like the Thunder
freaking do and shake Guild us out.
SGA does with the Thunder, right?
He always does it with his teammates, right?

(28:59):
The bear cast is kind of like that, right.
So I don't think Jeremy on whichis not going to be in the show.
I still think there'll be an arcfor him or he'll be like a Mikey
where he's in and out for a few scenes and just be like a minor
character, not a supporting character or mining character.
But if again, they left the dooropen where if Jeremy Allen
White's calendar opens up, it's like, oh, they could just do,

(29:22):
Oh, I can my last six months at the restaurant trying to clear
the debt, right? And then maybe at the end he
founds a new love, or if he rekindles his love or finds a
has always been their love for food, or you could say, Nope,
I'm gone. I'm going to be an architect.
You could. There's so many different paths
because of the way they ended ithere.
And it's going to just really kind of revolve around who's
available. It also made me think the ending

(29:45):
of this show, the season, I should say, very, you know, feel
like not feel good, but like it felt like everything lined up,
you know, too conventionally, like too conventional.
Like like it's like Sid does notleave.
Richie gets to be a part of ownership, right?

(30:06):
It's like you're not going to get Carmy staying with the
business, but everything else isgoing to like kind of just fall
into place. And if this was going for
another, this also makes me think like if this was planned
out for another season, what youshould have had is Sid leave
Carm Bear, Sid with Shapiro and then they have rivaling

(30:26):
restaurants. Like that's how you could set up
a season 5. But to have everything now just
kind of fall into place where OK, now it's just it's literally
the title of the episode. It's goodbye to Carmi in that
finale. It's goodbye.
So I think that was almost a better set up than what we got.
It was a little too conventional.

(30:48):
I wanted to talk about also Sid being initiated into the family
and the kind of episode that kind of told you that she was
going to be staying with the bear's Otto, she was going to be
staying with the bear. And I want to talk about the
wedding. Richie's ex-wife.
This was like a spiritual sequelto Fishes.

(31:09):
This was, I think it's really easy to say, my favorite
episode. I think it has the return of
great fishes characters and the supporting cast that felt so
good to have them back. It was good to have, like, that
scent. That Claire, she's actually a
bear, too. She's a bear's Otto.
That like, now it feels like no matter what, she's always going

(31:32):
to be around for, Karma doesn't have her.
Having her at the wedding I think helped.
Like, yeah, like, she is ingrained in this.
So it's not like she's just, like, almost just a cameo every
once in a while. No, she's in the shit.
I think the Rich Richie great episode for Richie with his him
and Josh Hartnett. Richie's been sick about this

(31:52):
wedding to build up to it. I thought live up to the hype,
the emotional beats so good. The one-on-one combos,
especially Sid and Donna. I think that was the moment.
Yep, she's staying with the bear.
She gets it. It's not easy to be a part of
this right? But you do have a close knit
type family that will have your back no matter what.
That was my favorite episode of the season.

(32:13):
Ricky Flex, do you agree? I think that was the most
enjoyable, I think because you you knew there's a lot of hype
behind this episode. Everyone knew this was going to
be the wedding episode. Everyone knew this is the
longest episode of the season. Everyone knew this is when
everyone's going to be back and all the your cast of characters,
whether you're John Mulaney's and whatnot and maybe even a

(32:36):
Brie Larson holy cameo, which she spoiled the day on.
But again, like another weird storyline that introduced this
season was like, what the hell? Like why is Sugar getting a
storyline of just a? Friend, they never even
explained like the core of the beef.
Yeah, but. Yeah, I, I guess that was my
favorite, Yeah, because they definitely like 6 was good too,

(33:01):
like leading into that. But yeah, dude, that's kind of
crazy to say because like seasons one and two, you could
say so many great episodes. Season 3, I think episode 1 was
it was like is amazing. But then the rest of it, OK, you
kind of pick and choose here. It's like, I don't know, take
out that one. Is there like a banger of an

(33:22):
episode? I think so I think the well, at
least like I I would say the wedding doesn't the the
underneath the table little sappy, little sitcommy, you
know, probably the top 2 momentsof the show this season.
But I think when they set up that a special guest with the

(33:42):
snow outside, the fake snow in the middle, that was awesome.
The score was hitting perfectly.Carm is looking out like the
none of that of those ideas stemmed from Carm and he was
looking at like they figured this out.
They can do this. And then you have the critic
who's watching as they're doing it.
That was my favorite moment of the season.
The wedding's the favorite episode.

(34:03):
I think, you know, and I think it's also because I'm I'm a
sucker for fishes, bro. It's one of the greatest
episodes in the history of, you know, like recent history and
television. It's it's freaking amazing and
it's like all. The similar beats like you have
like the Jimmy Ritchie conversation, you have the facts
doing an investment pitch to somebody and.
John Mulaney on the other side this time.

(34:25):
Like like mediating for the facts.
So you have like similar beats there, right.
I just feel like not enough conflict.
It was just all like figures. Yeah, it was.
And I think just like, it's likeRichie's kind of like storyline
was kind of ending or like a sorry arc for the season was
ending where he's nervous about Josh Hartnett and like him like

(34:48):
being a cool stepdad. But then he learns, oh, actually
Josh Hartnett is scared because he's not.
He's not the real dad. Who could have ever saw that
coming, by the way? And then you have a couple other
things like that. That's why I kind of loved
because like that all this wholething is a little sappy, all
just drama, just talking about like through your feelings,
right, and what you're scared of.
Literally. That's why my favorite scene in

(35:09):
that episode actually was the Bob Odenkirk.
Also a great conversation. That was a great one-on-one in
that. For sure, that was sick.
Like Bob Odenkirk, I think afterfishes in season 2, like if you
had a power rank the characters in that episode, he was good in
it. But like you would definitely
say like John Bernthal Mulaney, the facts like we're just like

(35:32):
holy crap, the duo combined Donna obviously Jimmy Lee Curtis
literally won a guest star Emmy for that episode.
So like I would say that those four are all but Bob Odegirk
this season. You could say holy crap that one
scene was like maybe like one ofthe best scenes from a non core
bear member. I think so, yeah, that.
And that was totally shocking tosee because the last time you

(35:54):
see Odin Kirk, it's him telling Mikey he's nothing, the forks
being hawked at each other and it's intense hatred.
And here, you're right, this episode didn't have that.
It was, that's kind of what I liked about it, honestly, that
it is kind of like the antithesis of the last episode.
It's all these characters that have all this pent up anger.
And then you have like this opening up of the Odin Kerk

(36:16):
character, this understanding ofthe Odin Kerk character, Carmi
having an understanding now and not having like so being so
close minded, you know, and it shows him kind of reopening up
to the family a little bit and understanding that you might
have differences now, but these don't last forever.
Mikey and I hate each other for that, for that moment that
Christmas. But I guess what we became
friends, we became best friends and you didn't even know about

(36:38):
it. So it just tells me like Carmen,
that moment realizes, like I, I,I, I shut out my family for so
long, but that doesn't mean, right.
I can't rekindle my relationshipwith my family.
You know, I think that was kind of my one of my big takeaways
after seeing that scene. Yeah, yeah.
So I, I guess 7 is up there, butI actually, I, I think you, you

(36:59):
convinced. You reminded me 3 was my
favorite, 3 was my favorite. And I think that's the only one
that those two are the only onesthat stick out to me as like
great episodes in this season. It's because, like, again, we
just jumped right into the finale at the top of this
conversation because again, we were talking about Season 5
being renewed. It's kind of like we're the
prisoners of like the news, you know, recent seat bias or

(37:19):
whatever you want to call it. But we have to like, the start
of the season was immediately the day after season 3, right?
And the 1st 2 episodes again, like you said before, a little
repetitive going through the same drama, the same issues,
stretched out storylines. And then episode 3, like that's
when you have the ever crew come, you have to worry.

(37:40):
Obviously you have more just thebear vibes, the, the, the snow
like you mentioned and the beef and the, the, the critic and the
bears trying to pick up steam. It's still not doing perfect.
If there's still more like according to that Venn diagram,
there's still way more fucked than good.
But they're doing better and you're skin is more the cooking
scenes, they're trying to find their mojo and you're you get
the bear vibes. You get some of that humor back

(38:02):
and you feel the momentum starting to pick up in the show.
Now, does it stick? I don't think so.
But that was like the glimmer ofhope in the season where I'm
like, wow, OK, maybe we have a comeback season here versus
Season 3. And I think you you said you
like this more this season more than Season 3.
I still will take 3, but only because Season 3 has I think in
my opinion the best episode out of the two combined.

(38:23):
Season season 3, you don't get any moment where you're like
this restaurant can work. It is very frustrating to watch
the entire season and it's it's like anger that you feel amongst
like the characters. You're angry as you're watching
and saying how are they not getting this like harm, He's so
good. How can he not do this in the
right way? His personal life is fucked but

(38:46):
he's he can't get past his own history.
The Joel McHale character. There were so many things that
were just better vibes and a better entertainment watch this
season in my opinion. And funnier.
This is straight up way funnier and the facts were great but I
think I used to think Maddie Matthewson was the greatest

(39:06):
fact. I changed my mind.
I don't think he's the greatest fact anymore.
I think the other fact I don't even know his name.
Fact fact fact two we have fact one Maddie Matheson fact 2.
The other fact fact 2 is better than fact one.
He's overtaking him right when he shows up and he's in Claire's
apartment. He has no shirt on.
He just had sex with whatever her roommate's name is.
He had the greatest 1 liners in this.

(39:28):
When he looked up Mulaney in thewedding episode, he said like
you look like Chelios. You know how awkward he is and
selling like his girl. He loves her at the wedding.
Second guessing himself. He was the guy.
He was talking about the haunting last last season.
He is number he's fact one now in my in my eyes.
Hilarious, Hilarious cast member.
Like season 1 fact was like he'sdoing the ball Breakers.

(39:50):
He's working to get free beefs, you know, like he was the best.
And then season 2, it's still like he's the best.
He's trying to become like underRichie, under his wing and
working officially at the Bear and having a real job.
But then you get fishes and thenyou see this other FAC and it's
like, wow, this duo is electric.And then they take that and like
Season 3, they're together goingforward.

(40:11):
And then season 3, they're slowly building, slowly building
with that character. And then this season it felt
like boom, you're just going to get all of them, right?
You're going to get all this newFAC, right?
You had a lot of the old FAC, right?
But we're going to give this newFAC a girlfriend, a girlfriend
that lives with Claire Bear. And Claire Bear finally comes
back into the season, which again was lacking in season 3,
which again, if you told me season 4 was better again, you

(40:34):
could say because of new kind ofrefreshing storylines or coming
back to the core storylines of season 2, Claire Bear is back.
But again, new fact, just in a lot more important situations in
this season. You substituted Cena for Brie
Larson as a new FAC. You know, they they well, they
forgot to see nothing even happened.
They're just like, that did not work.
We are not carrying that back over.

(40:55):
He's not welcome back to set. And what do they bring in Brie
Larson? She was the outlier in the
wedding episode. She and Nat were the only sense
of conflict, really, that you had in that whole episode, you
know, did it work? I think, yeah.
I, I, I think, you know, I like,I I I thought it was funny at
least to have Brie Larson screaming like that.

(41:17):
I usually don't see her in that type of light.
I think it was hilarious. I think that was fun for her.
You could tell she was like, having a blast doing that
because she doesn't get to do it.
There's something else I want tosay about the wedding.
The wedding. I I thought it was hilarious
that Mulaney was there because and he wants to be there and
he's divorced from the Sarah Paulson character.

(41:39):
They're not even together and heshowed up and he's not even
blood for anyone at this wedding.
Like he's like, I needed to be here.
So I know it's going to be fun. It's I know it's going to be
whether it's good, whether it's bad, it's going to be
entertaining to be with the bears Ottos.
And he is a family. He is a member of the family.
He's a key character because like, just like Sid, why is Sid
there? Like Sid should not even be

(41:59):
there, but you know, she is being initiated to the family,
just like Mulaney's character was initiated to the family,
right? And you never know what's going
to happen. So I, I, I just, I just thought
it was hilarious that he was there.
Back with the facts. It doesn't even have to be.
I swear to God, they only wrote that in, you know, like that.
Like he's he's there because he wants to be there because it's

(42:19):
true about John Mulaney wanting to be on set and actually in the
show. Like I feel like originally they
weren't divorced him and Sarah Paulson, but Sarah Paulson
probably had other shit to do and she couldn't be in the show
for long. But then John Mulaney's like,
well, I could be here for longer.
And they're like, you know what,you are great.
Let's keep you in this show for as long as possible.
Let's just write you in a divorce and then say you're
initiating the family. And that goes with what Sid's

(42:40):
going on. What's going on with Sid too?
It's kind of like the kind of rounds there.
You know what was also a freaking awesome moment of that
episode? And I love it.
It's the Richie conversation with Uncle Jimmy, and it's where
Richie was talking about WilliamFriedkin.
He's talking about this trip. He went into Asia.

(43:01):
He's talking about like, I am. I am the sand.
I am what binds together this family.
He's not blood either, right? But you see him, it's like after
he offers to dance with Sid, he dances with Sid at the wedding.
He kind of comforts the Josh Hartnett character and he
notices Josh Hartnett character is scared similar to the way he
is scared that he's not alone. That's kind of a huge thing

(43:23):
about being underneath the table.
Anyone could be scared. But when you have family
together, right, you can push through.
You can get through anything. But to have that, that line
where I am the sand, I was so jacked up.
I'm like, that's why you need Richie more Richie.
Like you need lines like that shit, you know, that really gets
you going. I felt like I was a rock.
But you know what? I'm the sand.

(43:45):
That Uncle Jimmy, turning to him, said Pretty good.
Pretty goodwilliam. Freakin what AG?
Yeah, he's like, that's correct.Absolutely.
Great moment. Other thoughts here Ricky Flex
Before we get into potential, what's going down with Season 5?

(44:05):
I don't. I don't honestly, I don't think
I have much more man. I just feel like I I just feel
like yes, the season combined seasons 3 and 4 is 1.
I think can that can got that got confirmed in season 4 and
all these storylines that were carried over and that were
stretched along, They can't. Most of them came to the

(44:25):
conclusion. I just am still shocked that
they kind of introduced some newones in this season.
And obviously now with the Season 5 now on the table, it
kind of makes sense. Like for example with Marcus
that we talked about the random Chester storyline that at the
end of the season of him like liking Luca and being awkward.
That was kind of weird, very weird.

(44:46):
So yeah. Like.
I don't know, man, I, I, I just feel like, again, like me just
saying that there's a bunch of choppiness and unbalance
throughout the last two seasons.Clearly there was supposed to be
1 and it was stretched out. But do they?
Do I want to see the land of theplane?
Yes, but it was not clean at all.

(45:06):
It was very, very bumpy. I think it's it's been a good
season in my opinion. I'm I'm shocked that we're doing
a fifth one. I think what you really had to
nail down is build that is Karmy, the self identity, him
breaking away from the restaurant.
I think once again, one of the best scenes in within the

(45:28):
wedding episode is that conversation with Odenkirk.
What's like the key part of thatwhole dynamic?
Obviously, Mikey, you know, had this friendship with Odenkirk
after Carm left. But like the line from Odenkirk
that I think is the theme of theseason.
Sometimes you got to break patterns, You know, you got to
break patterns, Carmi. That was the telltale sign,

(45:50):
Carmi, you're in this, this vicious cycle that you haven't
been able to get yourself out ofthis way.
You're handling your trauma, just constantly focusing on food
in the restaurants that you're working at.
You got to break patterns. I think you needed to have Carmi
leave the restaurant. I'm OK with that ending.
Like I'm OK with that. I'm confused what's going to

(46:12):
happen later on. But I think it was built in the
execution of it, the one-on-one combo with Sid and the
one-on-one combo with Richie. We've been waiting for so long.
And then you kind of just bundleit in one package and handed it
to us. That kind of made me feel like,
God damn, that's what I waited for.
It's like, you just handed it tome.
And like, literally a 20 minute conversation that made me a

(46:35):
little frustrated. Less earned.
Less earned. Yeah.
But it also felt like you're letting these actors cook.
Like like you are letting these three amazing, amazing actors.
Like honestly, Carm, I didn't even know Karma was the best in
that. I think.
I think Eva Moss Bacharach was amazing in that.
Amazing in that the emotion thathe had that when he nearly came
to blows with Carmi, them breaking through, having them

(46:59):
both, you know, come and not make it to the other side.
I think he was incredible there.Gabrielle White, you start to
piss me off like in this this season, because he cannot have a
conversation. He is so into the character and
how he is such an antisocial character.
He can't have a conversation if it's not about food.

(47:19):
You know, I feel like you kind of have to get about the show
because you need dialogue to actually fluff.
He was like the stutter and how he couldn't like say sorry to
everybody, but he was trying to say it the entire season.
It was annoying, I guess is the word for it.

(47:39):
You understand it, but it was kind of annoying.
You know how he just couldn't talk?
He's always like, let me think, let me think, let me speak and
then he would just wait 10 seconds to say something.
I'm like, wow. Like he really seems like he
doesn't have a shit together right now.
It was kind of and he doesn't, you're right, you're right.
So it's like accurate, but also get maybe a little frustrated
with the performance. That's why I like even lost back

(48:01):
rack, my guy. Dude, I thought he was freaking
amazing this season. I was pissed off that he didn't
have his family go to the restaurant in or didn't have his
ex wife's ex wife's family and his daughter go to the
restaurant after like finally sang at the wedding.
You guys are going to come like how did not do that?
That's actually, I'm so glad yousaid my last thing.

(48:23):
How do you not show like this whole timer clock that you have
for this season, right? It's kind of bullshit #1 because
that's just as, oh, you're doingwell, like you just have no more
money. You're on like the money that
you make from the restaurant strictly.
You don't have a parachute anymore, right?
So it wasn't actually the end, OK.
It's kind of bullshit. And you don't have the EP.

(48:44):
And like even that, that lead upepisode, episode 9, it's like
building up to the, the actual restaurant service and you don't
show it. You don't show the issues of
Carmen Sydney and them kind of like like, oh, he didn't talk to
me all service. But like Sid found out right
before service of Carmy not being in the restaurant and you

(49:04):
have all these different aspectsof everyone else that you wanted
to see potentially as their lasttime in service, right?
And probably the only time wherethey're actually there's more
good than fucked in the Venn diagram.
And like you said, season 3 was so frustrating because there was
just fucked, fucked, fucked. And even this season, even
though they're building momentumwith a couple montages, they

(49:25):
were still fucked. We never got an episode of the
Bear when they were just good and like watching because it
shows is all about chaos. It's the best parts of the show,
but I still wanted to see that the good in that final episode
because that's what we were building to.
But then they're not really goodbecause it's Sydney knowing that
Carmi is leaving the entire service and how much fun would

(49:47):
that have been in chaotic that relationship during those 8
hours or so it. Would have been so great to
watch. This is like Jeremy Allen
White's last time, you know, cooking like this is his that
what does he do? What does he make?
And then you could have had Richie's ass fish that Donna.
Could have Richie's wife there. You could have had Donna there
because like Donna talked to Richie, the I'm sorry, Donna

(50:08):
just like came to men's with Jeremy Allen White's Carmi the
episode before you could have her finally at the restaurant as
well. You could have a bunch of other
layers there. Like I thought that was a huge
missed opportunity. I think something that we that
we're, they've been building to and teasing us the entire
episode with that stupid clock. Yes, I feel like the clock also

(50:29):
is just kind of a metaphor for like the like, for the
conversation that eventually needed to be had.
Like time's up. You got to like Jeremy Allen
White. Your time is your time is up.
I got to sit calm. Your time is up.
Don't use the actor's name. That could be some bad context.
But yeah, there's something elseI wanted to get to, and it's
what's going to happen in the next season of The Bear in

(50:52):
Season 5. And I, I, I don't know about
you, but whenever I was watchingthis season and I was getting
that sense that, OK, Carmi mightbe done.
And he's the greatest at what hedoes.
When you look at Will Poulter, he's classically trained.
He's better. Shapiro, you look at him, he's
better. Levy Coleman, the way he looks,
she looks at Carmi, you notice he's like the best in the world.
He's reached the pinnacle, right?

(51:14):
And then he's stepping away fromthe game, this guy from Chicago
stepping away from the game. I couldn't help but think of
Michael Jordan the entire, you know, season of watching Carm
and what happened with Michael Jordan.
Like, could you do the same thing where Michael Jordan steps
away from basketball, has to deal with the death of his
father, right? Obviously there was the gambling

(51:34):
like allegations and things of that nature, goes to play
baseball, finds out he's not that great at baseball.
And then he comes back to the game, right a couple years
later. Could you see a similar thing
happening with Carm where he's the greatest?
He decides he's going to stop atthe top of his game, Very young
guy goes to try a different thing.
You mentioned potentially drawing or artistry and
different type of artistry. Do you think you could see him

(51:56):
cooking again in Season 5? To jump like that, that'd be
interesting. I think if they did that they
would literally do like a this won't come out next year even
though that's kind of like theirbread and butter where like they
kind of do like do the MJ to take a year off.
You know, this will tell us if, if they don't release it next

(52:18):
year, that'll tell us like whether they had a Season 5
planned or not. Like that'll tell us.
And I I think like Jeremy Allen White like like they're
delivered me from nowhere that'salready filmed.
So he's he has like only a voicerole in Star Wars the The
Mandalorian movie or. Jabba the Hutt's son.
Yeah, right. So.

(52:38):
Radha. He can he will find time and
like I said before, this crew, this cast just loves this so
much. I feel like even though like
Evan Moss Bacharach probably gotDoomsday to film and got all
this other stuff to going on. AO Ed Barry Marcus now has stuff
going on. Obviously Will Poulter is been
been in a bunch of theatrical releases and whatnot.
Like they all have stuff going on, but they love each other so

(52:59):
much that they in real life thatthey actually would come back
for this and they including all like John Mulaney's and Sarah
Paulsen's and whatnot, even if it's for a minor scene, right?
I just feel like they could do something like that and Jeremy
Allen White would dedicate enough time for a comeback
story, you know, for like that Michael Jordan, like hey, let's
just start a new 3 peat. You know, I do feel like that

(53:21):
could be a potential thing and whether it's a season 5 or maybe
like down the road when they're all older and they do another
season or a special like a Hulu one hour special.
I think he's got a cook in it orit has the Mikey cameo role and
he is like the older brother that Mikey was to him.

(53:43):
He's doing the same thing, you know, with with Sid.
I think that is that those are the two options.
I'm not watching a whole storyline of Karmian therapy for
an entire season. Don't do that to us.
Let's let's stay in the kitchen next season.
Well. If we're staying in the kitchen
next season, then I do think it goes back to what I was saying
before with all right, then the like, what's the common thread

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in every in seasons 2-3 and four, they start like the next
day, right after the previous season.
They could just do the same thing again in Season 5.
Carmy's staying, he's paying offthe debt.
You know, you could just do that.
He could also become a critic comes a critic and then he hates
that he'd be his a critic and then he comes back to the bear.

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I don't I I just don't think there's so many options that
like he's got he's got to cook or or he's barely in the show.
Like you can't have him not cooking if he's going to have
him. It'd be a regular mainstay in
the show. People are watching the show
like obviously like the drama and the, you know, everything
else that's going on from a character perspective outside
the kitchen. That's what people relate to,

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can connect to and whatnot. But people are watching for the
cooking and the comedy within the kitchen.
You know, people, That's why people are watching.
You know, they feel they they want to watch cooking like this
cooking show. They're so.
Far corn didn't cook enough in the season.
Did not cook enough Did not cookenough in season 3.
Definitely did not cook enough in season 4.
He. Cooked a lot in season 3.
He was. He was just an asshole, yes.
Yeah, it was frustrating to watch like you said, but I don't

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know. I, I, I just feel, I guess I'm
nervous going into season 5 for the first time.
I I'm definitely nervous for thebear.
I think IO is going to be the lead.
She's going to be the lead. She is the whole thing is kind
of like is leaning towards her taking over the bear and the
kind of metaphor for just takingover the show.
Even Moss Bacharach, he's a in demand actor, but he's not like

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the lead in a bunch of stuff. So maybe his availability is
wide open there. I I, I, I need to see, like
cousin said, I'm excited to see that dynamic.
If like that's where we lean go into the next season, Marcus,
you know, we're going to talk about all these characters in a
second. So I mean, should we just
transition to it now? Character draft for the bear.

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So what we're going to do, we'lllook at the characters from our
beloved show Four Seasons. Who knows who else will join
this? I would say cast of characters
next season. Anybody new potentially.
But how we do this, we can pick anyone from the first Four

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Seasons. Is that right, Ricky Flex?
Yep. All right, so you have a coin to
decide who's going to pick firsthere or what the order's going
to. Be I do.
OK, flip that thing. In the air.
Tails. It is tails.
I'll go 1st and I think how thisis kind of an easy draft is

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because there's so many great characters, whether they're one
of the big three with you know, who we mentioned previously or
there are supporting characters.Some characters are supporting
characters get full length episodes, other ones that are
great scene Steelers that will kind of like just make you
cackle for three minutes within an episode.
I'm going to start with one of the core 3 and I'm going to go

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with someone that I loved in this season and it's not the
lead I'm going to go away from probably what would be a
conventional number one overall pick for this.
I'm going to go with Richie. Even Moss Bacharach.
I'm going with Cousin as the best bear character.
So he is not the lead, but best scene stealer in my opinion of

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the show. He has the best episode aside
from fishes. Some people think it's better
than Fishes with Forks. He's the easiest character to
root for. We want to see Carm do well.
We want to do Sid what Sid. We want to see Sid do well.
We need to see Richie do well. We need to see him get to the
other side. A guy's been through so many
obstacles. A guy who you weren't really

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feeling that I need to root for this guy.
The first couple episodes you see by the end of season 1 you
love him and the season 2 you die for him.
Season 3 you take a side over Carmi.
Season 4 you just you just he's the scent.
He is the scent and that's why I'm taking a number one overall.
Yeah, I think season 1, like you're like Carmi's trying to

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make this restaurant better, butyou are preventing that from
happening. You are an A hole, but you are
so God damn funny that we love you as a character, right, and
that's where like even though season 2 two like you're rooting
for him, obviously, like that's the start of like, oh, his
ex-wife who he Lily tries to go to a concert with and his
daughter. She's like I'm seeing somebody.
Season 3, obviously Josh Hartnett and season 4 you're

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like crap, I feel bad for him, right, and like season 2 like
again, you're rooting for him inforks, right, trying to find out
his place in the new bear because like in season 1, like
like Sydney's like what do you even do here?
Like you are like stupid and youdon't have a skill that's
actually beneficial to a kitchen, right?
Stabs him. He literally stabs him but you

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root for him and you always likethem.
Most likeable character on the show even though he is an A
hole. A great full circle moment.
We talked about how the wedding episode was like a spiritual
sequel to Fishes, but when Richie goes underneath the table
to talk to his daughter in that wedding scene, who's playing
what artist is playing Ricky Flex?

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Taylor Swift? Yes, just like he had love story
and you have evenwas bacharach lip singing and kind of blaring
love story as he's streaking through the streets.
That with the great drop of thatTaylor Swift song.
One of the best needle drops in the show.
Great chock full of needle drops, but maybe the best one in
the history of the show. Richie's at the center of it.

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So yeah, number one overall pack.
I'm glad you agree with that selection.
I would agree with that. But you.
You. I, I don't think it's a wrong
selection. I, I would have picked Carmi.
So I'm going to pick Carmi here just because he is the lead and
he's the ultimate guy you are rooting for, even though he is
frustrating. But I again, Richie, I think

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he's the most likeable character.
So that's why I'm not shocked that he wouldn't want and I'm
not. I'm like, if you put a poll out
there and like of who should be the one won in this draft, I
guess like. You could say a lot of people
would pick Richie like more thanthe car me because he's so
likable because because these seasons 3 and 4 car me is just

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kind of annoying, you know, versus Richie's like through
seasons three and four, that's where you root for him even more
because of what's going on in his personal life.
And also him trying to find his place at the Bear and then his
eventual build up to like who heis now a partner at the Bear
versus Richie. Sorry car me again.
I think that storyline sorry arcfelt rushed.

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Oh, sorry, I felt abrupt and didnot didn't particularly end the
land the plane very cleanly, right, very smoothly.
So that's why I think Richie pick it at one, one that might
be the most popular, like more popular, shockingly enough.
Yeah, I I don't think it would be too shocking for most people.
Like Richie over Carmi. I think Carmi's a huge asshole
in the third season of the show.I think the four season he's a

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frustrating character because like, I can't believe this guy
is not gonna cook anymore. Like like what are you talking
about? He's the best in the world.
But also, like I talked about, Igot a I did also didn't take him
because I mean, I got a little annoyed with his character, like
in the way he had those conversations, those one on
ones. I had to be patient, man.
You had to be patient to listen to an entire conversation to get

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through it. A show with a lot of talking,
right? Just get back to cooking Carmy.
But no, I agree that he should be, you know, he's a part of the
big three. He's got to be a top two pick
here. I think it also is just good
strategy wise. If I have Richie, you're going
to have Carmy, which means like,are you going to take the other
member of the big three? That's that's that's gonna be
interesting. But I would have felt pressure

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to take who I would who, who I view as like the third best
character in the show. And rather and you know, before
we get to the supporting people,but I'm interested to hear your
strategy. I'm not going to take the third
member of the big three, OK? I'm not doing it because I find
her annoying and I find. Her she is sometimes.

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Instances in the show, her arcs are the most the biggest lulls
in the show. So I think out of like, I'm not
saying I won't pick her if you came back to me, but I'm not
picking her at two. I'm picking the scene stealer of
the show and that's Mikey. OK.
I'm picking Mike because I thinkJon Bernthal is the cameo king.

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Literally the show is basically from him and I think he like
again, if you have the power rank the best scenes in the
show, like the top five, his scenes are pretty much all in
the top five. Dude, they're insane.
And anytime like anytime you seehim on the screen, like
especially the first time that he comes on the screen and he's
salt in the meat, it's like, holy crap, this guy he's talking

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about Bill Murray, the Blackhawks.
Like there's just like your, your eyes glow up, you like lean
forward in your seat. It's like John birthal.
It's just a holy crap, Mikey, this character.
No wonder everyone loved this guy and we literally had this
show because of unfortunately his passing and what not and
what he meant to everybody. That's why I'm picking him
because he is the true scene stealer everyone.

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Like again, some really your comments about Ritchie kind of
around Mikey as well as in related to the audience.
The ghost of the show, that is kind of the Angel of the show.
He's like kind of like overarching this show.
When he shows up, you know, it'sa huge deal.
I think John Bernthal is perfectfor this type of performance for
Mikey in a rough and tough family.

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You think of who's the most rough and tough, like big name
actor that you have going right now.
It's hard to oppose like the idea of anyone but John
Bernthal, you know, guy who's just like very human, you know,
with his performances. I think he's great for this, you
know, great for it. I, I, I didn't have him.
I wouldn't have picked him thirdjust because I think screen time

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is definitely something. He's only in one episode, 1
scene of this season. I think last season he was in
the napkins episode and that wasit.
He's obviously fishes and he's got the one.
He's got what, how many? Like if you exclude fishes, he's
got like what, 3 total episodes?Three scenes I mean.
Yeah, around there. That that's that's a lot of

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weight on those three scenes. They're great.
They are that. Good, great.
But there are a lot of great, like, supporting characters in
here that are in, you know, every episode.
That's why I was kind of. Surprised, right?
But again, I think the show, thefirst two seasons, some of the
best seasons of television of all time.
Seasons three and four. I guess I think I'm just a lot
lower on the new because I thinka lot of these supporting

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characters, there were a lot of lols, a lot of Lols that I guess
I just lost some attachment to to some of these supporting
characters in the final these last two seasons.
OK, well it's back to me with mysecond round pick, 4th overall.
I'm not gonna go with member of the big three either.
I'm holding off. I'm gonna go Marcus as my second
round pick. Someone that's kind of cemented

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his legacy, his growth in this show.
When you go from a kind of like this failed.
I was he college athlete, football player, went to
culinary school for a brief time.
And then? I was gonna say, yeah,
McDonald's. And then he's by the end of
season 4, you know, he is one ofthe next great chefs in Chicago.

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You know, someone that you, whenyou saw that scene, they said,
oh, we have someone on the staffthat is one of Chicago's best
young chefs. And everyone thinks it's going
to be Sid. And the moment it becomes
Marcus, it becomes way more satisfying.
Imagine if they said Sid insteadof Marcus.
Your heart fluttered when they said Marcus.

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You wouldn't have your heart wouldn't have fluttered if they
said Sid. But to have like someone so easy
to root for a guy that you see his growth where his mentor or
he was the Sioux to Will Poulterand all of a sudden you find
them switching roles. He I love his dynamic with IO
with with Sid. I love it with obviously Will

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Poulter's character, Luca. But then I also love the moments
where Carm is blown the fuck away when he has a dish that is
perfectly curated. A pastry that's perfectly
curated by Marcus. I love that guy.
He's my second round pick and great solo episode.
Amsterdam. Or Copenhagen.

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Copenhagen. Yeah, I, I think Marcus.
So I, I was in a battle with myself whether I picked him at 2
here or for me, I guess the third overall, third overall
pick, my second pick. Because like, if you think of
back to season 1 and the one take episode and he's doing the
doughnuts when he has to freaking make chocolate cake.

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And then he's like, why are you fucking me right now?
Why are you fucking me right now?
And he's breaking the doughnut in front of his face and
throwing it on the ground. Like I was actually so pissed at
Marcus. I was so pissed at that guy.
And he walks out. I was like, wow, loser
mentality. Can't take the heat.
Can't take the heat in the kitchen.
Even though Carmen's being an asshole.

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You literally just walk down your teammates and for him to
come back in Season 2 for me andbecome so like, not just
likable, but just you're rootingso hard for him to the point
where he he has announced the new chef when you all thought it
was going to be Sydney because of the scallop dish.
And that's getting the buzz on social media.
But no, it's Marcus. He went through a lot of shit

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with his mom, him selling his house this season.
That's was like, wow, this character has gone through a lot
and also with the audience and Ilove this character.
So this is a great pick. I I debated it at as my second.
Moving on to the third round. Not going to take her.

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I'm going with another supporting character.
I will ask for a qualification for this pick.
I feel like this pick needs to come in a pair.
Can I take the facts? Yes, I think this is the.
One back, one back 2. No like you get him as a duo.

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Yeah, I meant like, yeah, yeah, but only those.
I'm not talking about Franny, Franny, fact.
I'm not talking about seen a fact.
I'm talking about fact one, fact2.
Yes, yes. I'm taking them.
They are scene Steelers. It's it depends on what season
for me to like know who's my favorite fact.
But I do know they make me happy.

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Even though Maddie Mathewson gota little bit under my skin this
season because he basically is a10 year old inside of a 40 year
old's body. But I think fact too took over
Maddie Mathewson in this season.Like I said, when he's when he
turns to John Mulaney and says you look like Chellios right
now, dude. That became my favorite line I

(01:08:54):
think for this season because obviously we're hockey guys and
chicago-based like show. Just that line hit really hard.
But to have that that love romantic subplot for a fact, you
know, it's just like they don't know how to handle that type of
situation and made them absolutely enthralling to watch
this season. You can talk about Maddie

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Matthewson, his relationship with even Moss Bacharach, how
Eben Musk Bacharach always believes in fact, you know, and
you want to believe in fact, youknow they're going to fuck it
up. You know they're going to get
forgiven. You know they're going to come
back and they're going to fuck up again.
But you, you love them still because they're the facts.
And I will never forget every December 1st to post a video of

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the facts dancing to to Dominic the donkey with Richie recording
them. That's my favorite thing to do.
Favorite tradition for the startof Christmas season?
I'm going to put the facts at mythird round pick.
Great gift, great gift, great pick.
Had to be a duo. I I'm going to let you have that
because I would have I would have requested the same thing.

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I don't know if I would have picked them on my on now coming
back to me with the snake here, but they definitely would be in
the conversation. I didn't know if you're going to
take them after if I if I went that character that is
noticeably absent from the big board right now.
Oh, yeah, I, I, I knew you would.
I thought you would take them potentially within the next two

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picks. Potentially I have two people
hired on my big board than them right now who I'm going to pick,
and I'll take the first woman off the board, I'll take Tina.
Wow, wow. The slide continues.
Tina goes to the third round. We got Brady Quinn.
We got Brady Quinn all over again.

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Oh God, that would be that wouldbe drastic.
But no, I'll take Tina. I think it's the last person
that gets their own solo episode.
That's actually great and it's in season 3, one of the few
great episodes in season 3. And my boy Mike, he's in that.
He has a great scene in that. But the Tina ark, I know they're
like speaking about Richie and like with forks and how you're

(01:11:05):
rooting for Tina and how they gothrough that whole that I I'm
basically picking this up for one episode.
I I am and then obviously like it's season 1.
She's kind of like the Richie where she's why, why are you
being such a bitch? I put on the freaking apron.
Be a team player, like be willing to learn, be different.
And then like Richie, she does right that that her and Sydney

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become actually friends after the butting heads in season 2.
She goes to culinary school in Season 3, obviously, she becomes
actually a legitimate chef at anaspiring Michelin star
restaurant. So.
And then obviously, Season 4, she's working with the pasta.
That went a little long, I will admit.
But Lisa Cologne Zayas, Emmy winner from Season 2 or 3 for a

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supporting actress in a comedy series.
She's going to be in the next Spider Man movie.
She's also going to get a biggerrole here.
Kind of nuts. Yeah.
I'll take the first woman off the board.
I'll take Tina. I would have taken her with my
next two picks, one of my next two picks, if you hadn't done
it. She what's so satisfying about
her is that she was such a bitchin the first season.

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She was burning like Sydney's food on purpose.
She was stealing Carney's knife like she was a difficult person
to work with. But then as like her
responsibilities increase and itseems like she wants to, you
know, make the restaurant proud.She wants to take on a bigger

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role. You find out the napkins
episode, her background absolutely killer episode from
last season. IO directed that episode.
Amazing performance there. But also keeps it going with
this arc in the this next season.
This fourth season of her tryingto get her prep done below 3
minutes. The the the coach ability of her

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when Luca is telling her how to handle pressure.
Also a character that you didn'tyou you hated in the first parts
of season 1, but by season 4, you are looking for that moment,
that breakthrough when she hits that 259.
It's like, yes, like the person who works so hard deserves that

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type of works so hard deserves like that type of success and
her to go from where she was in that napkins episode all the way
to working at a potential Michelin star restaurant.
Tina's a good pick all. Right.
And I'm just going to quickly pivot.
I'll take Uncle Jimmy. That's a good one.

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Dude, Oliver Platt, my favorite things ever been in and I know
he's always a kind of like a condescending asshole in most
things and like he kind of that fits here.
But dude, he also is like the Godfather wise old man, like
father figure that they're missing and he's hilarious.
And just anytime he's in a scene, you know, like it's

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either going to be really freaking funny or really
freaking sentimental or emotional where and like really
connecting where he's always like the supporting character in
the scene. He's never like the guy leading
it, like every time he's with a scene with Richie, Richie's
always like going through something like either asking him
and fishes for a job or like you're talking about with the
rocks and sand and William freakin, William freakin and him

(01:14:18):
being AG. Or it could even be like just
with Carmi talking about the restaurant and what not and
financing. So I think overall Jimmy, great
true supporting character in every single scene he's on.
It's never, he never gets like aone episode or a scene that's
really his, except in this season he got one where he was
knocking on his son's door. But besides that, he's always

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supporting somebody else and he's great at it.
So I'll take Uncle Jimmy. Great pick.
Someone that I didn't really like care about in season 1, had
more shine in season 2 and then three and four.
He became a staple of the show. Like increased relevance to the
show for sure, or at least more noticeability, notoriety or I

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don't know, guy that he's like, oh, that guy in a lot of
different projects. I think he really found his home
in the show. He's perfect.
And he has that that Chicago uncle vibe to him for some
reason. You know, looks like a guy just
loves the cups for some. Not in the mob, but like the
hair and he has the money. That's like kind of shady.
Like it's like, oh, but you kindof see it.

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But he's not really. And he has that, you know, like,
again, Italian family. He's his uncle, but not really
their uncle. Is it a whole whole mix that
just matches so well with the Brazatos in the show?
I love his relationship with Richie.
I think that's the best thing. And like that Fishes episode,
always having his back, him keeping it real with cousin.

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Great character, good pick. All right, my 4th rounder.
We'll go with Stevie. John Mulaney's character.
I want to go with Stevie in the fourth round here.
This guy has one of the best moments in fishes with the toast

(01:16:10):
that he makes. I love him and his interactions
with the facts. My third round pick a guy who
just understands the facts. He get like can you tell like
he's been with his family for solong when they have the wedding
episode in season 4 and hanging out with the facts again saying
like I know how to deal with these people.
The fact that he's divorced fromthe Sarah Paulson character and
still wants to be around. He is almost like similar to a a

(01:16:34):
Richie character, not blood related, but you might as well
be you are a bear as well. I think he's my favorite.
I guess when you look at in totality, all the cameos, Mike,
I don't count Jon Bernthal because he actually is a bears
auto. You know, I I look at John
Mulaney, probably my favorite cameo that we've seen time like
multiple times. I think over these last three,

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three seasons, 2-3 and four because he's in the first
episode of season 3 as well. I have Stevie as fourth round
pick. Damn, that's that's a big name
off the board. You know, I love Mulaney.
I was the one pushing for him for a best extend extended cameo
at the depots. And yeah, last year, last year,

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I pushed for that really hard. This is a great pick and the
reason why it's even like he deserves to be drafted.
I'm not saying I would have doneit.
He's definitely right around top10 for me.
He's right there. He would have been like I would
have been having to think about it is because not only was he
great in the fishes episode and also this episode, but this

(01:17:39):
episode, just like his characterand what we were talking about
in the in our discussion, John Mulaney loves to be on the bear.
And you could just sense it and we love it that we love every
single moment of it. And also great moment when like
the facts are doing the pitch. They mess in pitch, right.
And then he's on the other side,like shut the fuck up.
Like that was awesome. Yeah, I love John Mulaney in

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this Stevie. I hope he does more acting
stuff. I know he has the Netflix like
talk show, that phone call show that's going on that kind of
just ended that season. I hope he has more acting
because I actually do think he'sa talented actor and kind of has
more interested than the comedic, you know, timing.
He has more to it. He more like the dramedy I would
say in him. I had to pick Chelios.

(01:18:26):
I had to pick Chelios. Crazy, like he does not look
actually like Chris Chelios, butChicago.
It just made sense. So much so that's why the facts
are great too. Fifth round pick?
I'm torn. I don't know whether to go with
a staple of the show, member of the Big three or another cameo.

(01:18:48):
Ah, there's another person that I'm also considering that became
a staple of the show. Excuse me, I got it.
I got to take Sid for her to go in the fifth round.
I I don't have a woman on my board, so I think that's a huge
reason I can't be labeled A misogynist after this.

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She it is funny why she slid is that sometimes just like Carmi
doesn't talk enough, sometimes in conversations or pauses too
long, she is the foil to that. She is the one who doesn't allow
somebody to speak. You know, she is a yapper for
sure. She likes to talk, but it's been

(01:19:35):
great to watch her kind of almost I don't want to know what
surpasses Carmi. It's like reach Carmi's level
and Carmi like watch her and approve and her becoming a
leader of the bear. To have the moments where she is
now dance. Being a bear in that weddings
episode, dancing with Richie, having the conversations with

(01:19:55):
Donna, it just makes you realizethat she is all in on this.
Yes, she flirted with a potential other shooter with
Shapiro, but. She made the satisfying decision
to make her like you are a bear and we are drafting mostly
bears. Otto's here, you know she is a
bear now. So talented, has grown into a

(01:20:16):
leader. Interested to see where she goes
in the next season. A core 3 member of the show.
She's not a hateable character, she just has flaws to her that I
think same thing like Carmy has flaws.
So I think I actually got a steal with Sid in the fifth
round. Yeah, I I mentioned off the top
here in our draft where I think the biggest loss of the show is

(01:20:37):
when it's her arcs that they're tackling in each of the seasons.
And I also think, yeah, she likeyou could say like she's
definitely the opposite in karmaand social interactions, but
also from awkwardness I would say as well.
So similar types where she's nervous a lot, but I would also
say she is like that, you know, like people say, oh, millennial.
She has a young energy dude. Yeah, where it's a little plucky

(01:21:01):
and annoying at points. Oh, I think it's good.
I think she's pretty smooth withit.
It ain't Ironheart, bro. It ain't.
Oh no, no, no, no, no, not that,but no, no, no, no, no,
definitely not that. Let's not let's I take, I take
back my comment if we're going to compare it to Ironheart, I'm.
Just saying we've seen worse. But we've seen a lot worse.

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But again, Toy deserve to be drafted if you didn't pick her.
I don't know. If I did, I think I would have
had to just for the sake of thisdraft to be just again, a true
Bear character draft. So I would have done it.
But again, my last thing with her is that the fact that she
slid to the fifth round and she potentially could be the lead in

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the next season, does that make you nervous about Season 5?
I, I mean, honestly, I was, I, I, I kind of knew I could get
her in the fifth round because I, I, I could tell from the
conversation we were having whenwe're talking about Season 4,
she isn't one of your favorite characters.
I think she can be a lead of theshow because like she, she's

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been a second lead of the show for the last Four Seasons.
You know, I think like, I think she obviously.
A good lead that again you wouldpick her one of your first two
picks in the next character. Draft.
But The thing is, like the this draft, there's easily 10 names I
could have put on my big board and I did.
I have more than 10 names. She doesn't have to be as you

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know, I guess, strong of a lead as Carm was, even though IO is
an incredible actress, I think that's also like she's an
incredible actress. She can handle it.
But one of the best things aboutthe bear is the arcs from maybe
not the lead character. You know, that's like one of the
best parts about it. I don't think it's a huge issue.
I do like it sucks because you Carney, he is Jeremy Al White,
like you, he's on the poster andhe's the guy who gets the solo

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episode, the flashbacks and everything centered around him
as a relationship with his brother.
Like that's the show. So it's going to be feel weird
if he's not there. It's to me it's it's similar to
like a Michael Scott leaving theoffice situation where it's like
he's going on. He's doing great things.
They write him off the show. They're going to continue the
show. How?
I'm not saying it's not going tobe successful because The Office

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had, I guess, low points, but italso had some like pretty great
moments without Michael Scott. It's going to be a challenge.
But IOET a brewery is not at Helms, bro.
Like it's IOET a brewery. She's just way more talented
and, you know, I think she can do it.
I think a problem I agree with everything you said except they
had a great ending to the Michael Scott.
Character Carmi's ending could be good, depending how they

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approach it in the next season. Like, I guess I like I yeah,
it's a polarizing 1, isn't it? Like Michael Scott was just
you're tearing out. You're tearing out your heart a
little bit. And I've, I've had to, if I had
to say like a bet right now, I think Carmi will be a major
player in the next season. If I had like actually bet on
it, I think I, I think he will come back and like Jeremy and
White will find the time to comeback.

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And I think the show will write car me.
I mean a significant part in thenext season.
I I just don't think they would do that.
Like I even after this episode, I think because again, it's like
it's been confirmed that there is no script whatsoever.
I think they're going to see thereactions on this not not not
particularly this episode, but just the reactions overall in
season 4. And they could What's confirmed?

(01:24:18):
What? That there's no script.
Confirm no script Confirm no. Script.
So I think they will write him in the show and it as he is
contractually obligated to come back for season 5, I think he
will be a lead character in the show.
But again, Ayo had a Berry, a clear step up the next season.
Mr. Irrelevant or Missus Irrelevant, What do you got?

(01:24:41):
I'm battling between 2:00 and I think because I'm going to take
this guy because it's it's cameos.
I'm bound to cameos. I'm taking this guy because he
might have became a significant part of the show at the end of
this season. That's Luca.
Wow, OK. Yeah, I, I did it.
I that's not a personal pick. That is a strategy.

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Actual like resume pick. If it was a personal pick, I
would have picked Joe McHale, Chef David.
Yeah, I, I that's who I would have picked.
I like that. I, I think that is the pick.
I was that's who I was considering picking instead of
sin. Like such an asshole.
But like. It's like the best scene in the
show. Hilariously an asshole.
He already has the best scene inthe show with Carmen.
Yeah, I think you're so tough. Say you're tough.

(01:25:30):
Say yes chef, you're I'm tough. Yes, chef, I'm tough.
Yes, I'm I'm shocked you went Luca like that's shocked because
it's will Poulter and he's great.
He was he he he was, he was great.
And when he was surprised us in season 2 in Copenhagen, he it
was great to see him at the everepisode at the end of season 3.
It was way it was like, oh, wow,he actually wants to be here.

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It feels like every actor wants to be there.
Like you've talked about with a lot of these people, like
obviously in the season 4, I like Luca.
Is he he's not as electric like Joel McHale.
That's like that's arguably his best performance ever in
anything. You know I.
I think the reason I didn't pickhim is because when we get him
back for the scene at ever, likethe Last Supper there, right?

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I forget what they actually callit there, but I think like that
build up, we were building that up since season 1.
Like when is he going to actually see Joel McHale again?
And we knew it was coming that episode.
And you see a similar to like Mikey when like you jump up and
you see John Birnthal. He's like you.
Jump up and you see Joel McHale.But I think I was left wanting

(01:26:36):
more after that conversation. I was left wanting more when he
was like, I made like you look at you now.
I made you a good chef. I was like, you're disrespecting
Karmy like that. And I think I was left wanting
more out of that conversation. And Carmen was like kind of too
like nervous to say anything. So I, I think that's also a
thing that's holding me back from picking them versus like if

(01:26:57):
we just had that one scene, I think I would have picked them.
He's the he's like the Grim Reaper of the show.
He is, he is the the haunting ofCarmy, like he thinks he's he
thinks he's seeing when he's notthere.
When he's there, he doesn't believe he's there.
He is the the Grim Reaper for this show.

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Yeah. It's it's it was a tough call.
It's a tough call. I, I, I wanted to pick him
instead of Sid like I wanted to,but like, I that would have been
such a bad luck if we didn't have Sid on the big board and I
have Joe. McHale, who's in two seats.
Yes, yes, well, I mean like you have like we talked about it
Mike, he's in three scenes, but he's.
Like a core part of the show. Yes, he yes.

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OK, I'll go to the Bear character draft.
I'll go through both teams and then we'll talk about who got
left off the big board aside from just Joel McHale.
But Doctor Rowe has Richie, Marcus, the Fax, Stevie, John
Malini's character, and Sid. Ricky Flex has Carmi, Mikey,

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Tina, Uncle Jimmy and Luca Will Poulter's character Ricky.
I really aside from Joel McHale,I only had two other names I was
really considering. Nat, I think really stepped up
this season. Obviously she kind of gets a lot
of shit for the ice chips episode.
Like kind of like I talked about, the bear was kind of
feeling itself in Season 3. Giving all these solo episodes

(01:28:24):
to some of these characters, like the supporting characters
that weren't the core 3 doesn't work as well.
And the Jamie Lee Curtis, you'reseeing her a lot more in the
show. Also something that left off the
big board. But yeah, so now I had Jamie Lee
Curtis and then Olivia Coleman. What's the other one I had?
Yeah, Jamie Lee Curtis's Donna just fishes probably the best.

(01:28:47):
Again, John Mulaney like was like more of a cameo and like
had the couple scenes in that episode, but that was like kind
of like her episode. Fishes was like kind of hers.
So again, like she was in the mix for me at at Mr. and Miss
Irrelevant. All time, all time television
crash out. Or maybe the maybe the the
greatest television crash out. Literally, yeah.

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And like I I think the other onewhere I was never going to pick
her. But again, I just want another
shout out is Claire Bear becauseI think Claire Bear.
That would have made a controversial pick.
And season 3 was clearly missing.
We needed Claire Bear in season 3 and we never got her.
And Molly Gordon is so great andclearly every time she was in

(01:29:30):
season 4 it worked. And we were missing her presence
in season 3. I thought that was glaring after
watching Season 4 even more so. So I just wanted to shout her
out. I was never going to pick her,
but I wanted to shout her out because like again, other people
that we're talking about here, again, sweeps, they tried to
give him a story arc here. Didn't really work for me with

(01:29:50):
the wine and whatnot. Ebra, I love sweeps.
Like Ebra was, there was potential there with Rob,
Reiner, that combo, which is notenough really.
I really they gave you a lot of scenes, but not enough juice.
Not enough juice with that. Story.
That's a carry over, though. That's a carry over.
What's going to happen there? And also computer, the computer.
Computers. Low key.

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A pretty hilarious character. That Aaron Rodgers comment, by
the way, Terrible analogy, terrible writing.
He's the reason The Jets went under.
He's the reason The Jets the most dysfunctional NFL franchise
in the past 20 years. I don't remember that line.
Terrible. Yeah.
Who? Who by the way, I would never

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pick this guy either. But again, in that same
conversation, Sugar's husband, he does get.
I get a crack out of him every time in the progressive
commercials. He fuck, he's perfect for those.
The tuna casserole and fishes. He is perfect. 7 fishes Pete. 7
fishes. The the freezer, I I love Pete,
I love him passing out with the kids at Jimmy's son's birthday

(01:30:55):
party. I love, I love that guy, him
sticking up for Carm at that birthday party.
I thought it was a great scene actually.
Would never pick him but I actually do think he's a great
character with like in his moments.
Goofball, goofball. But he's like a corny goofball.
It doesn't fit in with the Bears.
He just doesn't. He doesn't.
He doesn't fit in. That's what makes him such,

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like, such a outlier, you know, to the rest of the family, it
makes him even funnier. So, yeah.
Good. All right, That's our episode,
Bear character draft. We had the News of the Bears
season 5 coming renewed for Hulu, and then we had our epis,
our season 4 reactions. What an episode.

(01:31:38):
Great stuff Ricky Flair. Can we confirm after season 5
instead of doing a character draft redo we should do an
episode's draft because that season 5's got to be the last
one? Episode draft Yes, we should we.
Should do an episode draft all five seasons.
We hash it out. I'm just thinking we can do 10

(01:32:01):
like the like we can do 10 you think we have, we can have 10
that we are putting up there. Oh, we each do 10.
No, I'm saying like, like you think there's going to we have
like because I would say like, obviously I don't want to list
them all right now, but like fishes forks beginning of season
3, you get the wedding potentially like napkins.

(01:32:23):
That's 5 right there. One Take episode, season 1.
One take. Yeah, we can do it.
Season one. Yeah, we yeah.
But now it's season 2. Seven.
Now it's Season 2, like there, Ithink we could do it.
Yeah, Luca, episode Copenhagen. Yeah, we got honestly could do
it right now, like not now as inlike as a recording.

(01:32:44):
But we could probably do it withFour Seasons.
So maybe we do it first once season 5 comes out or maybe a
preview. I don't know.
We will do it though. We can do it.
Yeah, I think that would be a smart move next time, next year,
something to look forward to, not just the bear.
OK, hopefully they get the script done soon, though.
It's going to be weird if we go a season or a year without a

(01:33:07):
bear season. It'll be the first in four
years. Sad thought, but we are getting
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Yep, we're rebirth in it. I will, I, I, I watched Jurassic
Park last night to kind of get me hyped up.
I'm going to start. I'm going to keep watching these

(01:33:50):
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Jurassic Park rankings? I was thinking character draft
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rankings. So we'll do.

(01:34:10):
Movie rankings we could do. Movie rankings because that
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We'll do some homework. We'll do some homework for sure.
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