THE FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS Preview & Bold Predictions, Kevin Feige Details the MCU's Future

Episode Rundown:

- The Feige Report breakdown (3:55)

- Fantastic Four Preview & Bold Predictions (48:15)

Episode Transcript

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This is the Drive in podcast Take One.

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Howdy duty. Welcome to episode 4750 TDI.
This is Doctor O on the horn to start per usual and as always
I'm joined by my Co host, my best friend and Fantastic Four
fanatic Ricky Flicks. How are you my friend?

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Are you highly anticipating thisweekend, this release and the
potential comeback of Marvel Studios?
This is a big week, massive week.
Huge week for me as I do have this in our summer movie auction
as well. Should sign on.
That paid a lot of money for this thing, right?
And it's pretty, pretty close race, I would say between me and

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Furious. But it might be big for me.
I think it is bigger for somebody else that's on this
podcast and before recording said it is his Super Bowl.
Jax, the MCU correspondent question mark is back on the
pod. Jax, big week for you.
But I think we need to address something first.

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You did put your reputation on the line on the last time around
here. Thunderbolts.
Bold predictions. I know.
And for anyone that was is wondering Doctor Doom post
credit scene did not happen. Did not happen.
Any comments any? You know what, though?

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I don't know if we do yet. We don't know.
We don't know who is on that ship.
That's a good point, Jax. You're going to do that one,
huh? I mean, hey, we don't know.
That could play into today's podwhen it comes to our predictions
for maybe the ending of Fantastic Four, First steps.
Who is on that ship at the end of Thunderbolt?
Is it the Fantastic Four? Is it Doctor Doom?

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Is it Franklin Richards? I know I think we're going to
get to it with the predictions, but I do also want to bring up
one other prediction. I thought the one where you put
it all on the line and your yourtitle as the MCU correspondent.
I thought it was Sam Wilson showing up in Thunderbolts.
I thought that was one of them. Oh, was it that?
I think it was that, but like hewas mentioned.

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Come on, come on. Heavily you.
See, like this is what we're talking about here and it's like
they're not actually appearing, but they are heavily like
mentioning or referring to that is Marvel Studios.
That's what it's that's what it's kind of been where we are
teasing like these huge, you know, introductions of

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characters or bringing back of characters and we have had a
void. I think like the first 3 phases
of the MCU, when I was thinking about it, I can name every movie
in the first 3 phases and I can tell you which phase they were
in. You know, now you go phase 4-5
and we are starting phase six. If you asked me which projects

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are a part of phase four and five, I would not be able to,
you know, identify them. I would not be able to organize
them. That's how kind of chaotic this,
I guess the last six years post end game it's been for Marvel
Studios. And I think that before we get
to the predictions, Jax, I wanted to kind of go through
some comments that Kevin Feige'smade over the last few days.

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I know you have your finger on the needle, right?
You have, you're pinpointed, you're online, Jax, you've been
following Feige in this Variety article and all these like
comments he's been making. I I have seen the comments, yes,
I have seen a few of them for sure.
Let me I want to pull up the list just and I'm I'm assuming
doc, you probably have the list of.

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Oh, I have the list I want. To go through.
Let's walk through it, yeah. 'Cause this is what you talk
about. Like you, you're, you're well
versed with the characters and stuff, but you seem to know the
way the universe is trending andyou know, potential castings.
You're into that stuff and that's why you're tapped in.
You are the MCU correspondent for TDI.

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So Ricky Flex, like I said to Jax, we're going to run through
this Variety article. Ricky, did you read the article?
I did. It's a long article.
It's a lot of reading. By the way, I much prefer the
the list method, the bullet method that we have here in our
nice document here. Maybe we we could do that for a
graphic for the listeners this weekend.

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I think I might do that. This felt like a massive
interview because like I said, it's kicking off phase six, Here
Comes Fantastic Four, We got Brand New Day next year with
Spider Man, and then we have Doomsday followed by Secret
Wars. It felt like we've had so many
insignificant projects he's talked about, like Kevin Feige
has talked about all the TV shows and the number of hours of
consumption that is 4 phases, 4 and 5 compared to the first 3

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phases, how it's basically doubled, you know?
And now it feels like we're getting down to these are the
important players. These are the stories you care
about, less TV, more movies, andmaking sure MCU fans kind of
stay on board as we go through this integral phase for the MCU.
But the first headline I want tobring up, this came from, it

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might have been from the Varietyarticle, but I also might.
I think it's the source. Here is deadline.
Kevin Feige says that Secret Wars is planned to quote, reset
singular timelines, End Quote and reboot the MCU.
So the current MCU plan right now goes till 2032 in real time,

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2032, we're making movies up until.
So we have Secret Wars coming out, 2027 probably X-Men
afterwards. But I guess the first question I
wanted to kind of pose to you, Jax, could it be that when we
are talking about resetting singular timelines, do you think
the 616 that we know past SecretWars may not exist and we may

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focus on a different Earth entirely?
Yeah, I would not be surprised, honestly.
Right. Like at the end of the Secret
Wars comics, you have Franklin Richards and you have the rest
of the Fantastic Four, and Franklin Richards is actually

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rebuilding universes and creating universes and kind of
send them off. So at that point, right, like I
think one 100% yes, it's going to reset.
And I don't think we're going tofocus on maybe just one universe
specifically. I think, right, you might have a
universe where you have the X-Men, like there might be

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multiple of each. And yeah, I think right at that
point, the big bad could be celestials.
It could be like something like that, where you necessarily
don't have to be in this one world, right?
Or this one timeline. So I think that could be like an
overarching thing like that. Is that kind of risky though?

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Because I think the Multiverse Saga, people have been, I guess,
falling out of love with the multiverse, you know, and it's
going to be put to the test withDoomsday and Secret Wars.
The combination of different worlds, different movies that
existed prior to the MCU that are now like joining and like
colliding for this movie. I don't know how people would
respond to if we go past the Multiverse Saga and we go past

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Phase Six and maybe we're looking at different worlds
still. I don't know if people will
necessarily beyond that train. Ricky, what do you think?
There is a lot of multiverse versal fatigue, and it's not
just within Marvel, it's with everything you know.
It's in Superman, it's in obviously DC, it's going to be
in Peacemaker, it's obvious it'sin Invincible, it's in every

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single superhero slash sci-fi aspect right now.
So it's not like just the MCU's fault.
It's just society cinema right now, Action Cinema, sci-fi as a
whole. It's just we have a multi versal
fatigue and this definitely willbe pressing against that for
sure. Now Spin zone positives would be

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Kevin Feige in this article not to jump ahead does comment about
recasting characters. This will allow a recasting of a
Captain America of a Iron Man and allow you to kind of say
goodbye to C&D list heroes that have not been successful as Doc
was. You were saying how oh, I've not
been able to delineate phases 4 and five.

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Well, it's partly because the movies just suck or they're not
they're not as good, right and the characters you're not as
gripping to the characters. So you could just say, you know
what Captain Marvel see you later, you know all these other
characters see Sam Wilson's Captain America.
You could say see you later too,if you do this right.
And then you can focus on your Xmen's, you could focus on your

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fantastic fours, your your big boys, you know, your A listers.
And this multiversal story can kind of allow you to do that
with different universes and you're not.
And each universe kind of focus on its own.
And rather than overlapping eachother all the time and hinting
at each other all the time, you could focus on just the X-Men
and the characters. You can focus on just the
Fantastic Four and the characters and get us the

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audiences, audiences compelled to these characters, grip to
these characters unlike we've been we've not been able to do
in the past couple phases of theMCO.
You're bringing up another headline that was going to be a
perfect segue when you're talking about the recasting of
characters. Kevin Feige indicates iconic
Marvel heroes like Iron Man and Captain America will be recast,
He said. Quote, they're now searching for

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a new James Bond, he said. David David Cornswell has the
new Superman. He was awesome.
That'll always be the the case. End Quote.
This is from the Variety article.
Iconic heroes, fictional characters get recast all the
time. However, this is where I'm also
thinking if it's on the 616, youcan't have a recast of Iron Man
because they all know Tony Starkis Iron Man and they all they

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know the Robert Downey Junior version of the character.
They know the Chris Evans is Captain America.
That's Steve Rogers exists in the 616 that I feel like Secret
Wars is going to be kind of whatyou're talking about.
Jax It might be like a reformation of the universe.
It might be us focusing on a different world.
And then you have to bring thosecharacters in.

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Like what he says makes sense. Like we've had multiple people
play Superman, multiple people, James Bond, Batman, you know,
you could have it happen. But this is a different case
because it's a connected universe, right?
And people know these people exist.
So and there are now dimensions that know that other people
exist from those different worlds.
So when you recast somebody, it's like, we already have Iron

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Man, we already have Tony Stark.Exactly.
Tony Stark. It's not like RiRi Williams is
coming in and saying I'm taking up the mantle.
It's no, there's someone, someone's going to be playing
Tony Stark again. So that's where I think it might
be. The 616 won't be home base and
what's going to happen to a lot of these characters that exist
now post Secret Wars if you try and recast these characters

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because they had connections to those characters.
You know, if Anthony Mackie goespast Secret Wars, he knows Steve
Rogers like he knows the Chris Evans, the iteration of the
character. How do you recast that?
You need to basically almost think about wiping away
everything after Secret Wars. And then you go X-Men, and then
you maybe still have the Fantastic Four who don't have

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prior connections to, you know, Iron Man or Captain America.
It's a very, I guess, huge premise.
But when they're talking about, there's a lot of implications in
ramifications if you talk about recasting because it's such a
connected world. Jax.
Yeah, and I think the thing withthat too, right?
Like if you do, excuse me, if you do like wipe the universe,

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right? The thing with that is, let's
say the next saga is the Mutant Saga.
I know that's been thrown arounda lot.
Whatever. They could kind of use the Phase
One's blueprint, right? You could have one movie on
Cyclops, one movie on Wolverine,one movie on Storm, and then

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kind of that team up X-Men Movieright there.
That takes what, three years up,four years up.
So you might give it enough timeto breathe.
Then you can actually go ahead and say, OK, now in phase,
whatever phase we'll be in 7-8, whatever.
Now we're going to reintroduce these Avengers.
Now we're going to reintroduce anew Fantastic Four, whatever.

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So I think that's the only way to do it.
But again, I agree with what you're saying where it's like it
can't be the 616 if there is anyone from prior to Secret Wars
in still involved in the universe at that point.
Wouldn't make sense. Yeah, it's where it's a little
different Flux, anything else that you have on this, I guess
story? Yeah, I, I think you guys kind

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of nailed it. I would just say Jax, like
there's no like they are not doing the individual X-Men
movies. You don't think so?
No, I don't think man, they're going to just do X-Men and then
they'll do limited characters tostart and then build out the
team or build out the unit as they go along.
They won't do like one side class movie.
I think I, I, I like 'cause they're got a guy directing an
X-Men Movie. True, true.

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And. Yeah, maybe.
Maybe it works in reverse at that point, like they kind of
did previously, where you have X-Men and then you have The
Wolverine you have. I don't whatever, I don't hate
that either. And I'm not saying I I think the
way that you're saying it would be better, especially with the
lineup with the MCU and how theykind of dismiss a lot of
characters. But if we just go in like a

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fictional scenario right now andsay post secret Wars, right,
they do like say, Hey, you know what clean slate, right, It's
really just spider Man that would be carrying over that you
kind of need, right, because fantastic. 4.
And Fantastic Four, right? The movie's not out yet, but I I
was talking like Phase Four and.Five, I assume they're going to

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be around. Like I guess like Thor is like
being talked up as like the second lead to secret wars and
whatnot, but like Chris Hemsworth, like that could be
his goodbye. Really the only character I
guess now Fantastic Four, but the only character from like
phases 4 and 5 or phases one through 5 that you looking at
keeping would probably Spider Man.

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And even then it still would be like, huh, like he's still from
the old era, he knows Steve Rogers.
So you if the only scenario thatyou would, you could do, I think
in that scenario would be that'swhen you bring in Miles Morales
into the MCU and then you say Tom Hollands, you're just a Sony
Spider Man now and then you justdo.
Really. Individual movies with that.

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OK, Tom, this is where this goesinto different parts of the
article from Variety and they talk about Miles Morales
potentially joining the MCU. And when it was brought up and
the question was asked, Kevin Feige said they're not allowed
to bring him in. He said, quote, we've been told
to stay away and quote from Sony.
This this is from the Variety article.

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This is to me fascinating because I think it opens up a
window for a trilogy for Tom Holland to have another trilogy,
a sequel trilogy that he'll havestarting off with Brand New Day,
which also is a part of this Variety article that will bring
up how it's confirmed to be a street level story.
He can have like a spider man where he truly is the dominant

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force. There's not no one butting into
his story, butting into his movie, stealing the show from
him. He can kind of, you know, become
his spider man that is, I know have his own trilogy, the way
Tobey Maguire like had a grasp of his own trilogy, you know, So
that's I think a door, a window is now opened and people maybe

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will stop clamoring and demanding, I guess, to have
Miles Morales in Secret Wars. Like it's just not going to
happen, you know. And now with the focus on the
X-Men, I feel like this is bought some time because I think
it's almost an inevitability Miles Morales will be joining
the MCU, but it's not going to be anytime soon.
So you have Tom Holland make your trilogy X-Men, get him off

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the ground. You'll have the Fantastic Four
running and then Miles Morales the back to you.
I would argue it's probably going to be in a better state in
the next, you know, like 5 yearswithout Miles Morales and then
they can build him and bring himin to kind of be taking up the
mantle from a Tom Holland flicks.
Yeah, it's just weird though, because like Jack's Secret Wars,

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like Miles Morale is his storyline there.
Like it just seems kind of weirdhow they'll just be like, hey,
we're not you're not going to bein Secret Wars and but you're
going to be in the MCU five years later, like with these
ramifications of that Secret Wars that you're in the comics
in, but not, well, again, the newer Secret Wars, you know what
I mean? Like, I feel like that's kind of
odd. But I agree with you Doc though

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like it does make more sense to settle in.
Yeah, and it's, I mean, it's because Sony is going to create
a Miles Morales movie and it's going to be terrible, but that
will be something else that we can talk about another time.
And they're going to mess up hischaracter, but that's OK.
But yeah, like especially like you're saying flex like in the

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newer, I think what was it, 2015was the Secret Wars comic.
The newer one, like Miles Morales, Morales played a large
role in that comic. So like you cannot have them.
Like it just feels wrong, especially if it's seen because
it seems right now that we're kind of going more towards the
2015 one than like the 1985 sequel Wars.

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So it's weird. But like, again, I kind of
understand what you're saying. Like it makes sense to kind of
let it build up to that point, have Tom Holland do his three
more movies and then see kind ofwhat you what you have at that
point. Yeah, and likewise, what I was
saying before, I was like the MCU might be in a better state
because now it feels so unstable.

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It's like we feel like Robert Downey Junior is coming back to
save the day. And it feels like we're playing
old tricks, you know, to still cart, conjure up that magic of
End Game and Infinity War. But I feel like post Secret
Wars, we will truly be saying goodbye to all of those actors,
you know, for the most part, butyou carry the strongest

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characters of Marvel, like X-Menwith Spider Man, Fantastic Four.
It just seems like almost like we have to get past this
turmoil. We just have to kind of ride
this out and we have to pray that Doomsday and Secret Wars
pan out. We have to just hope because if
they don't, it puts everything in jeopardy, you know?

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But we just kind of have to cross our fingers and ride this.
And then if we get over it, I think it's brighter times ahead.
Obviously superhero fatigue is athing, but I think with new type
of storytelling, James Gunn kindof just showed this with
Superman. Like if you're telling stories
in a different way with characters that have been have
been recycled, it could still work.
Yeah. Like so.
Like, yeah, we are going througha interesting phase like

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turmoil. That's a word to use.
And you some would say you couldsay, describe it as worse than
that. Someone would say you're crazy.
Very calling it turmoil. The universe is on fire.
But all we could agree on is that it's definitely in a flux,
like a flux right now, you know?And my issue is that we have,
we're doing that and we're doingtwo Avengers movies

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back-to-back, and one of the most, and then one of the
biggest comic book events is going to be one of them, you
know, So we're in this turmoil, to use your word, and we're
going to be doing Secret Wars. It just feels like you want
momentum going into secret wars like you had with Infinity War,
you know, And we just don't haveany of that.

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And Fantastic Four I have high hopes for, but that's one movie.
And it's with the, again, it's not like you have a civil war
before your Infinity War, whereas the third Captain
America, you've already had your3 Iron Man's, like you already
have cemented Avenger movies 2 prior to that.
And you're, and you can feel themomentum building into the into
Infinity war. We do not have that here.

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That's where like I have like reservations right now at the
MCU. And if I trust them rebooting
because I, I, I just, you're using this huge event which is
beloved. And when you have that, when you
are, you're in this turmoil, it's just it, it, it gives, it
gives you a pause. You have to pause and look at

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it. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I honestly
would love a reboot. I would love Secret War as a
reset, a complete reset because there's so many insignificant
characters right now, so many insignificant characters that
aren't huge names to Marvel. They're C list heroes that were
there still Marvel and Feige andcompany and Disney are trying to
sell to us and people just aren't latching onto.

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I would love a reset. Go with the X-Men carry over
spider man Fantastic Four. But I wanted to mention brand
new day Spider Man 4. It's going to be a street level
story. This is confirmed by Kevin
Feige. He said whoa, him meaning spider
man being by himself, dedicated to saving the city and dealing
with, for lack of better terms, St. level crime.

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He use those words St. level crime as opposed to world ending
events. End Quote.
This is something we were hopingwe had our fingers crossed we
didn't know with like OK, the Hulk's going to be in this, the
Punisher is going to be in this.I guess that made it more St.
level, but is it going to be more of the same that we got
from the original Like Home trilogy?
But it seems like there is confirmation is comforting and I

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feel like I'm in safe hands now knowing that Spider Man is going
to be Spider Man and a street level protecting Queens type of
story here. Jax, are you pumped about it?
I used to pray for times like this.
My God, I'm very excited becausethat's what it should be, man.
Like that's who Spider Man is, like street level, keep it St.

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level. It's going to be good.
I'm very excited for it. Bite scenes.
Like, yeah, Tony Stark, you know, like he's a he's a genius,
but like, we don't need this OP suit.
We don't need these Edith glasses.
No, like just get back to Queensand let's get down to earth
here. Literally on earth.
And hey, Kevin Feige St. level. You might be a listener to TDI.

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Kevin, come on the pod. Happy to discuss, but this is
what we've been clamoring for and I'm hoping like this is not
like a fans like hey, like let'slisten to the fans.
This is I hope this is more like, hey, like we we need to do
this because we haven't given Tom Holland Spiderman the right
justice for the character itself.

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And I know Doc you, you're wearing the amazing spider man
shirt. Love that.
Like he's going to be wearing that suit.
You know, he's going to be most likely that iconic suit.
And I think as fans, and I hope hope we faggy as well that we're
all on board for this, because this is something where I think
now looking back on the three Tom Hall and spider man movies
at the time, we were like, wow, these are amazing.

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And now, like, how are those aging, right?
I think this street level like Trilogy could be a time where
these movies could age better. Agreed.
It's kind of wrapped in the first three were kind of wrapped
in the mechanism of the MCU and it didn't feel like those were
strictly like those are Tom Halland Spider Man movies.

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You know, someone's always butting and someone's always
crashing the party and there's always, there's sorcery, there's
magic, there's Doctor Strange, there's Iron Man.
You know, now it's let's do a Destin Daniel Cretan, Shang Chi
directed St. level crime kick ass movie.
It feels like we're going back to it.
I feel like Marvel. I'm starting to believe that Tom

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Hall really won't be in Doomsday.
Like I really am starting to think that because they're kind
of sending a message. This is a different Spider Man
than what you had from the first3 movies where he was introduced
in Civil War, where he was in the last two Avenger movies.
You know, maybe just like, hey, let's just make sure this guy is
off on the right foot with this sequel trilogy.
You know, not many characters get to make a fourth movie, let

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alone probably get a 5 and 6 afterwards.
So let's just make sure we get this right and nail it because
you're right, Rick, those other movies, let's see how they age.
But I think this is a great opportunity for, you know,
Destin, Daniel Cretton and Tom Holland.
Something I also wanted to bringup here, we talked about Spider
Man core character carrying overpast secret Wars, most likely
eventually Miles Morales. But the X-Men we need to discuss

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and they have new director. It was confirmed by Kevin Feige.
He said quote from comicbookmovie.com.
It's all starting now. The script's underway.
And quote Jake Schreier, Thunderbolts here for X-Men.
Jacks, do you like that pic? Yes, I do.

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Just yeah. I was not a confident yes.
That was the longest pause for ayes I've ever heard of you.
I do just with the tone of Thunderbolts, right?
Like with Thunderbolts, again, you had Century, but it's a
street level story for the most part.
And I think keeping it that way because it kind of will, I feel

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like it's going to remind us a little bit of like X-Men one,
like the first one in that sensewith that same tone.
So yeah, I am excited because I again, I was a big fan of
Thunderbolt, so I think it's going to do well.
Ricky, thoughts? I think it's big.
I I this might be a little too big, I don't know.
I so positives. Was it the MCU before?

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One of the better movies in Phase 5 May be the best if you
really look. If you want to get really into
it, you can debate it, But and then also you say another
positive knows how to direct an ensemble and a bunch of stars.
OK, that's not it's easier said than done, right.
I know the Roosters get a lot ofFlack, but they know how to make

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a freaking big ensemble movie. So it's a positives, but I would
say like my thing is like Thunderbolts are the
Thunderbolts X-Men something that we've been talking about,
like we're talking about rebooting the MCU and this will
probably be the first thing after Secret Wars.
This requires so much care and Kevin Feige is going to be all

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over it, right? And like this guy outside
Thunderbolts a big like when we did this a checkup when he was
signed on to do Thunderbolts, they were like this guy did
paper Towns. Like this guy doesn't really
direct a lot of movies, or at least good movies, but
Thunderbolts is good. And Kevin Feige, a guy that,
again, X-Men, he is hugely connected to.
Obviously with the Singer movies.

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It's like this guy picked this guy for a reason.
So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
And also Kevin, if I work harderon this than anything he's ever
done in his life. So I I I'm I'm cautiously
optimistic. I, I, I would say I'm cautiously
optimistic. I feel like we all just had the
long pause before we said yes, we like it, you know, after we

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introduced this part of the story.
But I, I, Jake Schreier makes a good movie.
I like Thunderbolts and you would like someone that maybe
had a very successful layer or lucrative movie in the MCU
before, like he does and takes on X-Men.
But the same time I'm like, you know, there's so many directors

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in the MCU who have done bigger projects.
Like you think of Weeden, you think of the Russo brothers.
They weren't making huge blockbusters before those
movies. It's now feels like, OK, we're
this guy proved this is like almost like Thunderbolt was his
Civil war and X men's going to be like his Avengers.
Like it feels like he's graduating from his first, you

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know, movie with with Marvel. Good working good, good work
experience working with Foggy. It works.
Foggy likes the movie and likes what he did with that project.
Now let's give him the X-Men. It's going to be interesting how
they approach the X-Men though, like you're talking about Jax.
Is it going to be the solo jaunts it joints?
Is it going to be a younger teamof X-Men?

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Is it only going to it's it going to have Wolverine in it?
Is he going to have his own sideproject?
I'm interested to see how it's going to be, you know, how it's
going to look, I guess, because there's so many interesting
characters, so much to tackle. But I guess with this Secret
Wars and potential like little bit of a cleanse of timeline,
you have time to dive into thesecharacters in different ways.

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And we know that like the old the old X-Men singers X-Men,
that that's going to be in Doomsday, right?
And so we know we're not going to see these guys for a bit.
So there's going to be at least three years of preparation for
this minimally right to work on getting this right, which I
love. I guess what I'm trying to say
is like this hire clearly is like we have to talk ourselves

(28:53):
into it a little bit as I think we all did went through either a
pause or me trying to think of pros here.
But we all came down to the conclusion that yes, this is not
a bad hireright? It's just like, is this a home
run hire? No, it's not.
But you know what, like you don't win by like winning the
checkup. You win by making a good movie.
So Kevin Piggy, like I said, it's so closely aligned with the

(29:16):
X-Men, like this was probably one of the most important
decisions he's had to make it Marvel.
And like. He's taking this guy.
Like, I wouldn't blame the box off is on Jake Schreyer.
Like obviously the movie The third.
I think the first two acts are great and Thunderbolt's third
act, it's like maybe you could give us a little more of a comic
book type of feel to it, or you could have had something a
little more exciting or you know, I guess satisfactory.

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But he was working with lesser known characters.
Well, what does he do if he has bigger characters?
You know that's the thing, rightJacks?
Yeah, definitely right. And like Thunderbolts, like you
just said, kind of a B to C teammore so of heroes.
And then you're going to have the biggest, essentially the

(29:59):
biggest ensemble in Marvel with the X-Men.
That was a Fantastic Four. So I mean see what he can do.
Also side note on Thunderbolts, do you guys know still not
streaming on Disney plus? Dude, I've been.
I was looking for it today. I wanted to watch it.
I've been waiting to throw this on the streaming Rex every week
and it's like we're still not onDisney Plus.

(30:21):
This came out in May, mid-May. Wow.
Henders is on. And not Thunderbolts.
And that was April. Yeah, moving on and we're almost
at the bold predictions and and talk about our preview for
Fantastic Four, but just couple quick hitters here.

(30:42):
Kevin Feige talked about, along with other characters, Deadpool,
he said talks to Ryan Reynolds about what's next for Deadpool
and the MCUI guess. Quick Jax, what do you think is
the next time we see Deadpool? I'm in between Doomsday and
Secret Wars. He's going to be in one of those
movies more I feel like. More likely Secret Wars.

(31:03):
I don't know if we've seen him in Doomsday.
Why do you say Secret Wars over doomsday?
I just feel, I feel as if I havethe feeling that Doomsday might
be, I don't want to say smaller,but I feel like the cat one.
I do think the cast is going to be there's going to be much less

(31:23):
superheroes, but I feel like Doomsday might be a more tight
story, if that makes sense. Because it's focused on Doom
more. Yeah.
It's just tough to say that whenwe know like the in the video of
like the 27 chairs. Oh yeah, shit.
I need, I I need. I think he shows up in Secret

(31:46):
Wars and I think he arrives in the movie and he does a fourth
wall break and he says, I can't wait to work with all the X-Men
like from Bryan Singer's movies.And then we they all died in
Doomsday. I think they're going to get
wiped in Doomsday, that that cast is going to shrink
immensely, I think before it gets to Secret Wars.
And I think that's where Ryan Reynolds comes into the movie.
And I think they're making Deadpool and Wolverine too.

(32:11):
Yeah, I, I, I. Think they're doing that too,
Doc, Because if you look at likethe core Deadpool comics, like
there's one with Bullseye, the Cable one wouldn't already have
a cable movie. I would love a Cable and like
Josh Bowen to come back, but youjust did Wolverine.
Like you're not. No offense to Cable and Brolin
like that was great, but it wasn't Hugh Jackman Wolverine.

(32:34):
So if anything that's going to build off of that especially.
And they kept the door open at the end of Deadpool Wolverine,
right. I was thinking like oh like if
you do a Deadpool 3 post secret Wars and maybe a multiversal
reboot maybe you do a good the bad the ugly with Captain
America, Wolverine and Deadpool.Good, bad and the ugly.

(32:54):
I like that. The comic like that, that was a
good like I would say let's freaking run that.
But I think it most likely scenario will be a Deadpool
Wolverine too, and they just do it.
They'll figure out of that one and what not.
They'll kind of put things together.
That movie was a fucking smash like that.
They have to make a sequel to that movie.
Like they're they're not. They can't not make a sequel.

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To a million, almost 1.3 like itwas over $1.3 billion.
Insane. They have to make it Jax.
That's got it. Do you think that's happening?
Oh, 100%, yeah. Yeah.
But you just said they have to like they have to capitalize on
that. Yeah.
Do you also, do you think that the OG X-Men with McKellen, you
know, Stewart, you think they'regetting wiped, you know,

(33:38):
Cyclops, you know, are they getting wiped to do that 1000?
Percent. Immediately it's going to be.
Almost immediately, essentially,yeah.
You're going to see them. We'll get 5 minutes of screen
time, they're gone. Maybe like I could see something
crazy where like it's like yearshave passed or whatever and like
it's freaking, I don't know actually, is Patrick Stewart?

(34:00):
Is he even in this cast? Cuz if he's not, you could have
Magneto kind of like run the X-Men and it's going to be like
sick killer line. XP97.
Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm thinking.
And then like, then they get wiped immediately, you know,
because like, these people, likethe MCU is not going to just
say, hey, this is the most important movie since End Game.
And we're going to go back to the X-Men cast from the 2001.

(34:24):
Like, they're not doing that. These guys are barely going to
be in the movie. Ian McKellen somehow is going to
be in this movie. Freaking Rebecca Romaine is
coming back for this movie. Like, there's no way these
people are going to be on screenfor more than a couple minutes.
OK, so if I had, I noticed the Fantastic Four prediction
episode and preview, but I'm going to make a bold prediction

(34:45):
about Doomsday right now. I bet Cyclops survives the
movie. I'm saying that right now.
James Martin survives the movie yes, because of his terrible
death in XX Men Three, The Last Stand, his terrible death from
Jean Grey. That needs that needs to there
needs to be justice here. Kevin Feige was a huge part of

(35:07):
those movies, or at least the first X-Men like he's like he I
think he wants to do justice forCyclops and he notices the
potential of that character and they're going to give him a new
suit in this. He's going to be looking more
like X-Men 97. He's going to have way more to
do with his powers. He's going to be way cooler of a
character. That's my bold prediction is
that Marsden survives dooms day.I love.

(35:28):
I want to see that. I would love that, yeah.
But I don't, I don't think it's going to happen, I think.
They're gone. They're bold predictions for a
reason. OK, Other characters here.
Jax, did you watch Ironheart? No.
OK. Wow.
I was going to. That was.
I had. That was there's a line for you.

(35:50):
Give it to me. No, there's a line like there's
a. You have a line, you know I
won't do it. I'll get to it eventually.
I'll just have the 1st 4 episodes.
Yeah, I am aware of Mephisto. I'm aware.
Yes I've seen the clips but it'sjust I haven't watched the whole
series yet. He's tapped in.
So Kevin Fein confirmed, he confirmed that Mephisto is going

(36:12):
to appear more in the MCU's future.
He said now that he's here, quote, the potential is clear.
End Quote. Honestly, I what I thought of is
Mephisto. I want to see him against Doctor
Strange. You know, I like Mephisto was is
all I I don't know what level Jack should be better at
describing this. Like what level of villain

(36:33):
Mephisto is? I I was thinking like he's like
a kind of AB villain. He's not C, he's not a but he's
like kind of BI think some people by the name recognition
might even say a, but I feel like he's way too big for
Ironheart. He didn't really fit that show.
He's not a like a a villain you would think of.
Oh, Match is well with Ironheart, but it's like almost
like they used him to get peopleto watch Ironheart.

(36:56):
Not too successful, but I think that Sasha Peron Cohen, like, I
think he's a pretty talented actor.
You know, I think getting him for that role was huge.
He was overqualified to be an Ironheart, you know, But I think
he would actually be a good adversary to Doctor Strange
Jacks. Any thoughts?
I would like that right? And I, I agree with you, I think

(37:18):
probably be again, maybe C tier,but probably be.
And like that just goes along with like Midnight Suns, Doctor
Strange, you get Ghost Rider andeventually you get the Punisher
in there. All everybody in the midnight
Suns. And like, that's who you would
like to see him with that type of hero, like someone in that

(37:38):
realm, not, not Iron Heart, but again, you, you put them in
there. So people watch the show.
Yeah, I, I was more than thinking Midnight Suns and kind
of starting that back up again. You know, like we have Punisher
going to be on the big screen for the first time with
Bernthal, like Bernthal's first time as Punisher on the big
screen. Like let's let's get this thing

(38:00):
going a little bit here, like with Blade commentary going
around. As in the.
Report We have rumors of moon night season 2, like we we have
a lot of stuff bouncing around here and we get Mephisto now and
some people are hyping up to be that a level I I kind of looked
at him and see, no offense, but I am not a huge X-Men guy.

(38:21):
I'm a big X-Men animated show. And I would say Mephisto C to B
minus maybe. But again, a lot of people
online will get mad at that. But I would just say like Doctor
Strange isn't a terrible shout, but again, like I kind of want
to build out something new. I love Doctor Strange, I love
Benedict Cumberbatch and I love him as Doctor Strange.

(38:43):
But I think I am ready for the reboot.
I am ready for a new things. And I think reboot with a Ghost
Rider probably won't be with Ryan Gosling, even though he
said he would love to play them.But rebooting Ghost Rider, I
would love get that right for once.
That is not off the table like Gosling is Ghost Rider.
I don't I don't think I was off the table like with the projects
he's like doing now. He's less in his like dramatic

(39:06):
nag. He's he's look, he's cashing in
on a lot of movies right now. He just signed on for like a
Will Ferrell comedy. I'm like, I wouldn't be
surprised if he's Ghost Rider. I don't think it's off the
table. I think he's just kind of
waiting for this Marvel wave andthis like, oh, is our superhero
movies gonna make it? And then once you have Doomsday
and Secret Wars and they absolutely light up the box
office, then he might be like, OK, now it's time to be Ghost

(39:26):
Rider. But there's been so many.
They might be waiting on him, tobe honest.
I like, I wonder if that's happening too, you know, whether
it's like, OK, what, what are you gonna introduce the
character? We're trying to get Blade,
right, getting the sector's horror sector of the MCU, you
know, so they can kind of build it out.
Maybe they're just waiting for the right opportune moment, you
know, Also did did you guys see this comment from the Variety

(39:52):
interview? They're talking about not only
Mephisto, he was talking about me and Kevin Feige, Star Fox
with Harry Styles, and he was talking about Charlize Theron's
clay. And he said, like they, he was
asked, when are we going to see these characters again because
of like on all these unfulfilledpromises.

(40:12):
With these post credit scenes and he said back to the
reporter, do you want to see them again?
And he's got a point. Like who is calling for a Star
Fox movie? Who's calling for Eternals 2?
Who's calling for Charlize Theron to come into the MCU?
Like who is actually asking for that?
I like that Kevin Feige responded that way because it's

(40:33):
like we're not just making it because they showed up.
There has to be a clamoring for it, right?
Flex. Yeah, completely.
I I love the response right? And I feel bad a little.
Bit. But at the same time, it's like,
don't just force this to us whenwe don't want it.
Like, I think he also said this quote in here where Bob Iger has
said this as well. And I don't think Kevin Feige

(40:55):
was happy when he said this a few years ago, But he said in
this interview where they focus on quantity over quality.
You know, and when you hear James Gunn over at DC saying
we're doing quality over quantity, it's like finally,
like Marvel's starting to get the picture, you know, and did
it have to take James Gunn goingover to DC and then by by Bob
Iger coming back to Disney for Kevin Feige to kind of and and

(41:18):
also the streaming wars kind of dying down and say Netflix, you
won to kind of say, you know what crap, Let's not do 5
television shows a year. Let's do 2, right?
Let's not try to force these CD list characters on us just
because we don't want to rehash Captain America or Iron Man or
what not right? No, we could reboot it, right?

(41:40):
We can recast them. They're starting to get the
picture now that quality mattersover quantity.
And that one line should tell you like, yes, we're not going
to force a freaking Eternals 2 on you because you know what?
You didn't want the you didn't. You didn't like the first one
and you're not going to want thesecond one, right?
Love to hear that. Yeah, got to cut your losses,

(42:00):
dude. Like the people didn't like
that. They didn't like Eternals.
OK, why do you have like you don't there's not a need to move
forward to make the second one. But yeah, when I watch it, of
course, but like you don't need it it the.
Problem is that it all comes down to continuity.
That's what they pride themselves in with the MCU.

(42:22):
So if something happens in a certain part of the world, you
expect to see a hero because they're a part of the MCU?
No, but what if the audience doesn't want that?
Oh, that person just stays inside?
Then you know, it's just like you are and you have all these
post credits that used to mean something.
The significance of the post credit has dwindled and it's now

(42:43):
after thunderbolts very significant like obviously
because it's setting up the events of the Fantastic Four,
potentially doomsday, maybe the end of Fantastic Four going into
doomsday. It feels like they they matter
again, but there's so many whether it's Brett Goldstein,
right, Harry Styles, Claya, there's the IT goes on and on.
Just movies that probably won't happen, but you're teasing it

(43:06):
and they used the people stick around for those moments.
It's the it's a it's a trademarkof the MCU and that thing's not
doesn't matter as much. One thing that I want to bring
up before we get to Fantastic Four, OK, this is a big one.
Kevin Feige reveals that they were planning to shift from Kang
and Jonathan Majors to Doctor Doom and RDJ before Jonathan

(43:30):
Majors was fired. Foggy said.
Quote I had started talking withRobert about this audacious idea
for Doctor Doom before Ant Man 3even came out.
End Quote. Jax is foggy full of shit.
I don't think he's full of shit in the sense I think, sure,

(43:51):
maybe you float the idea you're doing Secret Wars, maybe not.
He didn't talk to RDJ yet, or that wasn't even a thought like,
oh, we're going to bring him back.
I think you're doing Secret wars.
If you do it right, you have Doctor Doom.
I'm a big believer in that. And I think after seeing
Quantomania and seeing King justget destroyed by a bunch of

(44:14):
ants, I think that might solidify it when you see the
reaction online of everyone being like what the hell is
this? Like King would have been great.
I think you also introduced him.But King would have been great
if it wasn't for that movie. Do not introduce him with Ant
Man. Introduce him in something
different and literally anythingdifferent.
And I think it would have been more successful.

(44:35):
But I do think he's a little full of shit in the sense that
he was just like we were talkingto RDJ, we had this idea we were
going to go forward with it. Like, no, you didn't do it.
Like you saw what happened and then you were like, OK, we got a
pivot. Interesting flex.
What do you think? I smell the bullshit I smell

(44:55):
it's everywhere. It's bad.
Yeah. No, I don't I I don't think that
they definitely like, I do thinkthey were talking about bringing
doom in at some point. All right, so I do agree with
that because Secret Wars was on the table, right.
But you know what movie was before Secret Wars?
Kang Dynasty. So don't tell me Doomsday was

(45:17):
all like going to be. This is always doomsday.
We had this whole point that we we literally know it wasn't.
You had a movie for an Avengers movie called Kang Dynasty,
right? And then Secret Wars, obviously
Doom would come in there probably, right?
So I bet he's just trying to save face a little bit here and
using a very little like, oh, wewere talking about Doom because

(45:41):
no shit, you were for Secret Wars.
But make it into it like a nice white lie saying like, oh, like,
yeah, I talked to Robert, by theway, there's absolutely no way
they were doing RDJ at that time.
They were just probably talking about Doom.
And then when they scratch King,they're like, we need to
basically a Doom movie. Then they probably said, Oh my
God, we need someone big to playDoom, something that can carry

(46:03):
an Avengers movie and that villain presence, kind of like
how Brolin did for Thanos. But we need someone bigger than
that because it's Doom. And before Secret Wars, which is
going to be obviously a cinematic event.
Then they got our DJ. There is absolutely no way.
Like we literally know it can't be the case because they didn't
even have the movie. They were all in on Majors.

(46:26):
They loved Majors. Iggy was like, we have our next
big bad. Like this guy is is one of the
greatest actors of his generation.
Like this guy is going to be Kang and he's going to be the
future of Marvel. Like they were loving it.
All of Jonathan Majors. They were loving the idea of
Kang. You know, we bought into it,
too. Like we're like, yeah, this is
our guy. Like that.

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Obviously, what happens happened, you know, what
happened happened. And then they pivoted like Jack
said. But I believe that he might have
mentioned like Robert Downey Junior was probably like making
a joke with Kevin Feige. He kept, he was like, hey, how
is there any way I could come back as a different character?
He's like, well, there is a comic run where Doctor Doom is
actually Tony Stark. And then he's probably just as a

(47:08):
joke passing by. And then the thing happens with
Jonathan Majors. He gets arrested.
I think Feige probably calls RDJand says, hey, remember that
thing I told you about? We're actually going to be doing
it, you know, that's like. $50 million and a private jet and
will also go around your schedule for both Secret Wars
and Doomsday. Thank you very much.
Yes, I have a hard time believing him, especially not

(47:31):
only to have him in Loki, to have him in like all these
projects. Like with Loki season 2, they
kind of tried to wrap up like the whole Kang thing.
Very like I guess like try not to think about this later on the
type of thing, the last scene ofLoki that basically like Kang
will never appear again. And then you have been quantum

(47:52):
mania, but at the end of quantummania, you have the post credit,
the council of Kangs going absolute ape shit, like they're
going bananas like it. And everyone looks like Jonathan
Majors. They were so in on this guy.
You cannot tell me before Ant man three, they were in on that
guy or else you wouldn't have had that post credit scene.
You know, that's the that's the tell tale sign that doesn't for
the report. That doesn't for the Feige

(48:14):
report. And I think it's time that we
talk about Fantastic Four first steps.
That was a precursor. Now let's get to the immediate
future. Let's talk about this weekend.
Jax, what are you looking forward to most with Fantastic
Four? Probably seeing the best movie
of all time. OK, Yeah.
No, realistically I'm, I'm just excited.

(48:36):
You guys know how much I love Fantastic Four.
I'm just praying we just get them done correctly.
That's all I really want. Obviously we're getting a real
Galactus, not a cloud, which that's a big, that's a big plus
to start. So I'm excited to see what he

(48:56):
looks like. And yeah, great.
We're way ahead of way ahead of the 8 ball.
But yeah, just excited. I want them to just make a good
movie and do the characters justice.
That's my that is my one and only thing.
I I think for me it's similar towhat you just said at the end
there. I'm looking for the portrayals

(49:17):
of the characters. I watched 2005 Fantastic Four
before this podcast because I wanted to see if I can get some
other inspiration for, you know,predictions and like have stuff
to talk about in terms of like, OK, I want to see this, but I
can't wait to see a read Richards.
That's not kind of like just thesmart guy, but he's also like a
strong presence, you know, strong family man, something

(49:37):
loyal, more loyal to the comics,not fumbling around kind of like
an idiot and like kind of awkward at times like the island
Grufford one, but a guy that looks like Pedro Pascal does,
you know, dominant, like force and yeah, that guys the smartest
dude in the world. I want to see what comic
accurate version of like Johnny Storm.
That's not necessarily like of the 2005 time period.

(49:58):
That's not a douche bag, you know, one that is playful and
will bicker, but he's still like, he's a good dude and it's
an accurate portrayal. Shoe storm.
Not just a pretty face. Not just a sexy face.
Not just Jessica. Alba not not just the hottest
woman of all time, but also likeI was like same, almost similar
to read like strong presence, strong leader of a family and

(50:18):
leader of a team. And then the thing just has you
have to continue the same thing with thing like you have to do
the Michael Chinkler story. You got to do the same thing.
I can't wait for even Moss Bacharach, one of my favorite
actors. But I'm looking for those
portrayals to be more comic bookaccurate because you are now at
Marvel Studios. You know there is an
authenticity when you are now going from what you had in O 5

(50:40):
and now you finally have a hold of these characters.
We had what happened in 2015. You have a responsibility to
give fans like a true Fantastic Four movie.
So I think the portrayal is the number one thing for me.
Flex. Yeah, I, I think you guys did a
great job breaking it down there.
I'm not going to rehash it. I'll kind of pivot a little bit
and say the villains. That's what I'm looking for too.
Like Galactus, they've done a great job kind of hiding that

(51:01):
promo. You know, we've complained all
the time and Marvel is usually the main person we do that with
or main entity that we do this with where they show us too much
of the movie and they show too much of A character and not do a
reveal like we talked about Nosferatu is a great reveal of
Count or Lock. We've been lacking that in a lot
of superhero movies because they're so like, oh, we have to
show this. We get people to the movie
theaters and make back our budget and then profit, right?

(51:24):
They did a they've done a prettygood job with the Ralph innocent
Galactus here building it up. Now will they be able to explain
the Galactus character to us in a 2 hour movie?
While it's not an origin movie for him or the Fantastic Four?
That will be a key question I'm looking for if they're able to
do that. So not only the portrayal of

(51:44):
Galactus, but also and the reveal, but also how they're
going to say, hey, this guy eatsplanets.
So like a common non comic book Marvel fanatic.
And one of the one other thing that I'm very excited to see
just from one of the trailers, Iam so excited now to see the
Silver Surfer. Oh yeah, I was just about to say
I can't. The trailer, I forget exactly

(52:07):
what trailer it is, but it's just like I herald his
beginning, I herald your end. I'm sitting there, I'm like,
let's go. I'm all excited.
So I'm very excited to see her and how she does.
Yeah, I was going to give you anold bonk, but not.
Not that way. Not that way.
Hey honestly not bad come on nownot bad come on yeah yeah you

(52:32):
got to forget it's the Ozark girl and you got to just say
that silver surfer then you'll feel a different way.
Okay, let's go to I guess predictions for this because I'm
jacked. This is a new start for the MCU
in my opinion. This is the beginning of phase
six. We this is return to big
characters, return to massive scale movies.

(52:52):
You know this is what matter here on out stories that matter
Fantastic Four brand new day doomsday secret wars we are in I
can't even say it anymore, but we are in the end game like we
are here. You know, we are here OK, so
Jax, what we're doing differently from last time,
instead of doing 10 bold predictions, we're going to try

(53:16):
and do five, OK, And we might have a bonus as well.
We we did it recently with Superman and we did very well.
All right, so you have after ourlackluster, you know,
performance from Thunderbolts, this is a huge preview for us as
a podcast. All right, us three right here,

(53:36):
right now. So we need the goods you're
going to deliver this one. And I think we're going to do
even better than Superman. Buy this new logic buy like the
five bolt predictions jacks, right?
OK, so we I'll start with Jax. You let's go with your first
bolt prediction because you are the MCU correspondent.
Oh man, I had a couple and now that we're breaking it down,

(54:00):
want. Me to go, hey, we need to go box
office first. You can regather your thoughts
and then I'll be quick with the box office.
Oh yeah, Ricky, I forgot. Sorry.
Excuse me, excuse me. We always lead off with the box
office. Bold prediction.
Ricky flicks #1 go. I'll be quick.
If this was last week, I would say a bold prediction would be

(54:20):
like, wow, like this would be above 800 million or whatever.
But these projections keep coming down right, even with the
Rotten Tomatoes score like that's very good in the mid 80s
for a lot of reviews. This this box office line keeps
going down right? And now with the line is just

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below opening weekend of Superman domestically.
Wow. And I know Superman is doing
very well domestic. We will not hit our box out.
Bold prediction for that, by theway, we're not hitting that.
But it was a valiant bold prediction.
But Marvel does better internationally.
It appeals more than the Superman.

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So This is why this is going to be a bold prediction.
Fantastic Four worldwide is not making as much as Superman, OK.
Worldwide is not making as much as Superman.
So you're saying that domestically it's going to
underperform to a point where like Superman impact probably,

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you know, people feel it like the summer of Superman.
I think right now I think it's bigger than people imagined,
even with like the lackluster overseas.
You know, I think in this country domestically it's doing
pretty well. It made like $10 million
yesterday, you know, on a Tuesday in the second week.
So I I think it's going to be hit by that, but worldwide, you
think that, wow, it really is the summer of Superman.

(55:49):
Listen, like it I, I think it isI, I think when you look at next
weekend, Naked Gun and the weekend after that is weapons.
This has a runway, clear runway to make money.
That's Fantastic Four. It's just Superman's here and I
think Superman is making waves. And if you want to just say
domestic, I'm fine with that toobecause like, who knows, like

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what numbers you pull out of India, you know, like for the
Marvel. That's a.
Marvel does like have that like charm about them internationally
where they can just capture a country unlike Superman.
Superman. Flopped American.
Hero so if we want to go just domestic, but you are you guys
not feeling that like it just seems like the momentum for this
movie outside of us us like the core audience like these

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projections keep coming down less than less people I talk to
even know this is coming out. It's kind of crazy with a cast
like this. Is there Pedro Pascal fatigue?
Like I don't know. I don't know if it's Pedro
Pascal fatigue. I think it's the Superman
effect. I, I think it's a coming out two
weeks before and the praise thatSuperman has the hope and the

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excitement with like the new universe.
And this is also Marvel who has not been doing too well at the
box office lately. The anticipation for the movies
really haven't been there. I don't know if this is gonna
change though, because I mean, there's a post credit probably
that we're gonna get to with predictions like that's probably
gonna have Doctor Doom, you know, and it's going to tease

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Doomsday and it's that's going to push a lot of people to go
see this movie for the second time for the third time.
You talk about Superman rewatch ability.
I've seen Superman twice already.
You know, will I be going to seeFantastic Four a couple times?
I hope so. You know, I hope so.
I want to if it's good. So I think that if you said
domestically it makes less than Superman, I am 100% on board

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with that. At the international thing, it's
hard to tell because Superman flopped so hard.
Internationally not so hard, butjust didn't do well in China
compared to like probably what the MCU is going to do.
OK, so let's just do domestic. OK, what is what is Superman
tracking right now worldwide? Domestically.
Domestically. I was seeing around like topping

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out at 700. Worldwide.
Worldwide. I thought he meant.
Worldwide I could hit 4, but that would be optimistic.
OK. I mean, hey, you guys are the
you guys are the movie guys and I would just be biased.
In this area, but if we went to the worldwide, this movie is

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going to make, this movie is going to make more than $700
million, I think. Yeah.
So we're saying, and we're just saying domestically clicks.
Yeah, yeah. That's what we're saying.
OK, perfect. Because I think worldwide,
Fantastic Four is, I don't want to put a billion on it, but I
think we're going to be close. And I like Dipple Wolf.

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And that NATO 50. 950 I think wecan get that.
Marvel would be disappointed. Heavily disappointed.
This makes less than like $700 million.
That'd be crazy. Like they would profit, but they
would be disappointed because they were expecting big numbers.
From you're leading the doomsdayand this is these are integral
characters for the future of thefranchise of the Marvel Studios

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and. Like if you look at this like
Thunderbolts 382 worldwide, 189 domestic, Captain America, Brave
New World 413 worldwide, 200 domestic million, Deadpool,
Wolverine, we talked about 1.3 billion worldwide, 636 domestic,
The marbles, we don't have to get into that, but really bad

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Guardians three that did 845,000,000 worldwide,
358,000,000 domestic, domestic there.
Like that didn't even make 400, but it made 8:45.
So the international potential is large here.
I am going to concede on that, but I kind of like like look at
that Guardians number, somethingthat should be international,

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sorry, do better domestically, especially with trilogy's third
one. I kind of like the Superman.
I, I I I kind of like picking itnow even more.
I, I'm, I'm going to let you make the final call here, Ricky,
because this is your Forte. I'm not going to tell you how to
do the box office. Prediction because this is
domestic. OK, write it down and make it
official and say I mean, I mean say it.

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Superman domestic box office Superman will be fantastic for.
That would be such a win for James Gunn.
That would be an insane win for James Gunn.
Jax. I want to I want to do my
prediction really quick and I I I want to get into like the nerd
stuff. I want to get into yeah, I want
to get really nerdy. I want to RIP open the comic

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book and I want to see in this movie.
Second prediction. I think we're going to have Lat
Varia mentioned and shown on themap.
That's my prediction for this movie.
I that is going to it's just thehome country of Doctor Dim and I
think that this movie and we'll talk about Doctor Doom.
I think as we continue on here. I don't think he's going to be

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in the actual movie, but I thinkthere's going to be a presence
because in the 616 and like the earth that we know that all the
heroes are from from previous marvel, you know, movies and
shows. I they they haven't had a lot
Baria. It's not on a map.
They haven't gone to it. It'd be kind of weird.
But all of a sudden people talk about this country that has all

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this advanced technology and haslike this ruler was there the
entire time. It's got to have some type of
presence. I think it's going to be in this
movie. I don't know if they're going to
show it. I think it's again a map.
I think they're going to mentionthe country itself and I think
this would kind of play into Doctor Doom and Rd.
JS version of the character is from this world.

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So and I think this movie, the last three fantastic fours all
had Doctor Doom, right O 5 Rise of Silver Surfer and then 2015
all had versions of Doctor Doom.You can't have him in the movie,
but he's so tightly connected tolike the Fantastic Four and he's
obviously this is leading in doomsday Latveria.

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First time will be on a big screen, right?
We'll be able to see a mention of it.
Flex thoughts? Does it have to be like
obviously in lap area or like what if like for example I'm?
I could be like a passing, it could be like a mentioning of
it. It could be on the news like I'm
saying like lap area is going tobe mentioned in this movie like.

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I could see a post credit scene with Doom on his throne in that
area and we don't necessarily say it, but you know how like
Thanos had like Vinyl do it myself?
I feel like we could have one ofthose moments here.
OK, I I do have another prediction with Doctor Doom as
opposed credit that's a little more spicy, you know, but like,

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are you saying like it won't count If like there's no mention
of it and then he's in the post credit in La Veria.
It has like the title the the title card that says La Veria.
No, I think it will count. That's what I'm saying.
I, I think I just I, I, I think I can't see it like in the movie
mentioned because like, how would it be mentioned?
Galactus just being like, hey, by the way, like what?
How would? Well, again, it's not your

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typical origin story, so we might, I feel like we might get,
I don't want to say it montage, but like some kind of like
history or like in terms of something.
And I do agree with Doc, like I think we could hear it, see it
on a map something. But also, again, I would love

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him sitting on the throne as a post credit.
I would lose it. Jack.
I thought Jack's always passed out when Ricky like described
that post credit scene of him sitting on a throne.
You know, like that still that came out like the Secret Wars or
doomsday stills they got leaked,you know?
Like I, I can. See that type of still being a

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post credit scene, you know, because they have to introduce
him in this movie. Like it would be so weird not to
do a post credit scene with Doomwhen he's about to have his
whole movie and we know nothing about him and it's a Fantastic
Four. It's a perfect time.
And like with Thanos, we had notone but two post credit scenes
with him, him on the ship too, if you really want to count
that. And maybe Thunderbolts the ship

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that might be him driving it like like Jax is saying off the
beginning. Maybe he was right on that.
Like I don't know. But all I'm saying is like, it'd
be kind of weird if Doom is not at least in this movie in some
capacity. And a post credit scene and the
lab area is kind of like a Safeway to say, Hey, we also
have an option if Reid is like fumbling around doing the solve
everything and he's like, oh, like I'll like Lavaria, what's

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this or something? I think there is 0% chance that
Doctor Doom is on this movie in a in a post credit specifically.
Do we? Oh yeah.
This stake on the line, this is,this is also like you're putting
your career on the line to your correspondent again.
I'm serious. I am so confident in some

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capacity. Now does that mean you're going
to see RDJ? No.
Will you see a mask? Will you see the cloak?
Something? Yes.
I have 0 doubts about that. Bro I think you're seeing RDJI
think he's. I hope so, Russo Brothers.
You guys. Russo Bros directed this post
Credits. I hope so.
I would love that so. They did.

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I was going to say bold prediction.
We don't see RDJ, we just see him and Doom as Doom.
I think they're like he's they're gonna be like he's back,
like he's back. It's gonna be a there's gonna be
like a huge post credit I. Think so, you say, you say face
Jax, you say face or no face. Well, this won't be this won't
be a full protection. This is just like us Van thing.
I don't, I don't think the face,I I think we get the mask.

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I think we're he's either holding the mask.
I think we see the mask. I don't think we see Rob like.
A Vader like how Vader like likeputs on the mask.
We don't see basic. I could see something like that.
And like, again, it's like Thanos grabbing the gauntlet and
he's fine. I'll do it myself.
Exactly, exactly. Oh my God.

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Riled up. Breaked up, dude.
So Lapierre. We're doing Lapiers, we get a
Lapierre mention slash, whatever.
Lapierre. Sorry, I keep saying Lapierre is
in the film somehow. Yes.
Let's just start with that and then we'll get to like post
credit here. I want to hear Jax though on
what your third world predictionwill be.
OK, let me go to my list here. All right.

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So I think I do think we are going to find out who's on that
ship and I do not think it's Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby at
Ross Rock route or I can't even remember his name.
It is not that. It is not our Fantastic Four
from this movie. I don't know if it's going to be

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another Fantastic Four team from2005, 2012.
Oh my God, that'd be crazy. No way.
I don't know. I don't know it.
Has the logo, that's what I'm saying, but.
Still. Or could it be like the life
raft from the comics where they're picking up specific
heroes and in terms of the incursions happening and they're

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picking up those heroes to stay out of them?
I don't know. But I think we find out who's on
the ship and I don't think it'llbe our Fantastic Four.
So OK doc, you go ahead. I I love at least the starting
point, and it could be the prediction itself.
The Fantastic Four are not on that rocket.
Sure. I agree with that.

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Yes. OK, I'm fine doing that.
I might. Here's my back.
Here's a devil's advocate or push back against it here.
That means there are cameos in this movie.
No, because if we're on 616 and they're picking up potential
heroes, they're saying potentially the Thunderbolts are

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the new Avengers are in this movie.
Like I was thinking this is going to be like, besides Doom,
this is a Fantastic Four movie. I was going to say there are
going to be no major cameos as my boulder.
I have that too. I don't think there's going to
be any other heroes in here aside from Doom and a post
credit. So then how do you do that with
the ship and saying we get an answer to the ship question?

(01:08:14):
Maybe it should never shows the ship arriving on the 616.
It shows it taking off and we know where it lands.
Like I don't like, you know whatI mean?
Like they don't have to show it landing.
They got to show who they're putting on the ship.
And there's a chance that it's Franklin Richards, I think.
I think there's a chance it's Franklin as well.
I like almost like a, it's almost like a Superman thing,
you know where it's like sendingin from Krypton and like a
doomed place. But also, I think that it would

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be kind of just too obvious if the Fantastic Four were on
there. And I think Franklin Richards,
like they they're giving away somuch with the promo of this
movie. You know, in the latest trailer,
they said like Galactus wants Franklin Richards.
So maybe the like what we have to do is take out Galactus and
send Richard Franklin away and then in order.
And then Reid is obviously working on some technology to

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bridge different worlds. Earth's, right?
He's talking about like parallelEarth's and having like being
able to make contact with them. It could be let's get Franklin
away from Galactus, sends him onthat rocket with the Fantastic
Four sign on it. They take down Galactus and then
they have to go get Franklin. Could be something.
I I could see them putting Franklin in there to say hey,

(01:09:25):
get away from Galactus. Like, it could be like, in the
middle of a movie, yeah. 'Cause like, I don't think they
were giveaway like the ending ofFantastic Four or if they are
truly going to lose, I don't think they're going to lose this
movie. Like people are talking about
that too. Flicks.
I like that idea that it might not be at the end like that.
Could be in the middle of the movie.
'Cause I know the beginning of the movie.

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He could have gone through a black hole or something and
maybe that's the third act. They then have to go get them
and that's how they get into ouruniverse.
Could be. I think it's it's a better
chance it's Franklin than DoctorDim, honestly, that would say
like like I don't it's more I would say it's probably the
Fantastic Four and not Doctor Dim.

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I would it's more likely them and not Doctor Doom.
I think that's an obvious one, but I think it's Franklin.
But I think the prediction should be the Fantastic Four as
a team or not on that rocket. Yes, I like that.
I'll go with that. Done.
OK. So that's three bold prediction
so far. Ricky Flex, you want to have the
4th 1. Is it bold prediction, then, to

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say there's no major cameos in this movie?
I don't think it's bold because we're on a different earth.
OK, so let's pass on that. OK, this isn't bold either, but
I just say 'cause we always do ascreen time.
Paul Walter Hauser, Less than 5 minutes.
Yeah, nailed it. I think that should be a bold

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prediction. Oh man, oh man.
We finally got a skill with him.But this guy, he ain't even in a
trailer. This guy, there's no teasing
with him. He's not on the press tour.
He who was very vocal. He's very vocal online, like at
a mainly about wrestling, but also about movie takes.
He is not talking about it. John Malkovich as Red Ghost just

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got cut, but the monkeys did notget cut.
Like like crazy stuff's going onin this movie.
It lands me to believe. Leads me to believe Paul Walter
Hauser is barely in this movie. I think, again, it could be part
of that again, montage type thing where they're showing past
things that the Fantastic Four has done.
Because I think you have to get that if it's not an origin

(01:11:33):
story. I.
I. I, I did you guys watch that
special presentation thing that they did on Disney Plus?
They put it out there. Of what?
It was it was, it was kind of like a scene from the movie.
It was about 5 minutes long. Did you watch?
That I, I, I, you know, I don't like watching.

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Beforehand, OK, but it's basically a scene from the
movie, but it talks about the red ghost and it talks about Mad
Thinker and it kind of hints at and shows like this world has
existed and these heroes have been around for four years so
they've learned how to be the heroes and celebrities.
We're not taking off from like 05 Fantastic Four starting point

(01:12:16):
origin story or 2015. We're not taking taking off from
there. But like it shows that they have
fought these people before. But I think the the mole man
thing, it's going to be just like not that's like The
Incredibles at the end of the Incredibles, they're facing mole
man like wannabe. I think it's just going to be
something like that. And they show them in the
beginning, them kicking ass, showing that they're in their

(01:12:36):
prime right now. You know, I think that's his
purpose in the movie. I agree.
OK, so let's put that one down. I like that, Ricky.
I'll throw something out here. I want to.
This is not a bold one, but I think it's going to happen
because it's happened before in comic Book Lord Jax, you'll know
this Silver Surfer portrays Galactus and aids the Fantastic

(01:12:58):
Four. And I think I don't even think
that's bold. I just want to throw it out
there and I think we have to bring it up because that is just
the character of the Silver Surfer, right, Jax?
Yep, exactly. I that was something that I had
written down as well. I think that I think.
It's going to happen. So I have it the same thing.
But I was like, oh, that's not bold, you know?
It's bold. She dies.

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I that was the one because we always go deaths.
We talk about who's going to die.
Is anyone's going to die in thismovie.
It's got to be Silver Surfer. No ties to anybody not on the
chairs on Doomsday. You know, that are lined up.
Someone that you know could makelike the heroic play at the end
of the movie. They've talked about having the

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Norman Rad character still a part of the MCU even after the
shallow ball character with Julia Garner.
In this movie, if you're going to kill one person, it's going
to be the Silver Surfer. Honestly, make the hero play.
Sacrifice yourself dead. I'm 100% in on that.
Let's do it that that's. It Mark you already have 5 boys.

(01:14:04):
I want, I got a parlay though. Are you guys wanting on this
parlay, the TDI parlay? So this is the parlay, the first
parlay. This is like -10,000 but first
leg so it's. Not worth it.
It's clobbering time is going tohit the under of 1 1/2, so

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they're going to they're going to stay at what he's going to
say at one time in this movie. He's going to say it's
clobbering time, but I'm going to parlay it with.
Ben Grimm saying it. The Thing saying it's clobbering
time less than one time or overall in the movie.
No, no, no, because the guy already says it in the trailer.
You know I'm saying Ben Grimm says it's clobbering time one
time. This movie hits the other 1 1/2

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the other leg less likely, but Istill think will happen.
Johnny says flame on over 1 1/2 times.
Yeah. So I'm saying he says at least
twice in the movie, and then youhave clobbering time only once.
That's my parlay, OK. Yeah, I'll take the odds on that

(01:15:09):
-10,000. I think it's pretty like -450.
Yeah, it's not bold then. I was just trying to.
I was trying to think of new ways to do predictions.
You know, if we just I. Don't hate it, we need like one
more to make it a three legger +1110.
Yeah, I I forget that one because we have 5 right now that
I like. I think we need a bonus one that

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has to do with Doctor Dim, like a post credit one that we
haven't really talked about. I want to throw something else
out you. I think that's going to happen
in the movie. I think, like I said, I think La
Feria is going to be mentioned in the movie.
I think Reed, I know Reed from the trailers has been working on
the white board talking about and teaching the class, science

(01:15:51):
class with Reed Richards. He's talking about bridging like
different earths. I think this technology is going
to be taken and used by Doctor Doom.
It's shown him showing him usingthat technology to lead in the
Doomsday in the post credits scene.
I think that's going to he's going to use Reed Richards
technology. That's my theory.

(01:16:12):
Thoughts. I don't hate it.
I like I I don't know. Very specific.
I, I, I think that's a very goodtheory and, and it's bold.
It's not like crazy, though. It makes a lot of sense.
It's just like, yeah, this, thispost credits scene could be
anything. It's too specific.

(01:16:33):
It's too specific. I do like.
I like to share it on. DJ's face or not, in or out
your. Style.
Your silence told me everything you're like.
This guy is the idea right? Like John Krasinski's Mr.
Fantastic when he the little teleporter portal thing like
something along those lines. Doctor Doom gets that.
He uses it right, like more in this story.

(01:16:55):
I like that. I do think that's going to
happen at some point, not necessarily in this movie, but
in Secret Wars and Doomsday. But yeah, little too specific
for me on that one. The other thing I'll say just,
I'm just, I'm just firing bullets out of the chamber right
now. This is the last one.
And then this is this is for you.
I want to unload too. This is sorry, this is the last

(01:17:15):
one I know I've been rattling onfor a couple, but nothing
nothing's sticking. You know I'm throwing like shit
out of wall and just I just fallfalling right off.
But Jax, this is directed towards you.
Do we get the Council of Reeds in a post credit soon?
I I have this as well. Getting I need it.
I need it like I need air to breathe.

(01:17:37):
Is it too? Is it too soon to do this after
the Council of Kangs? You could have, yeah, but it's
almost like a council of reeds. You could have it as opposed
credit. They're showing the merging of
different universes or the theorizing of it from this
world, this 1960s retrofuturistic world.

(01:18:00):
You have four people that could be in the council already.
You have 4. Like you have Pedro, you have
Krasinski, you have Miles Teller, and you have Iowan
Crawford. And Iowan Crawford was at the
premiere of Fantastic Four FirstSteps.
So you have 4 Mr. Fantastics that could be on this council

(01:18:21):
already. And they're talking about Reed
basically figuring it out in terms of multiverses and like
bridging different worlds. I was just throwing it out
there. I don't think it's going to
happen because that's such a huge thing after we're probably
going to get a Doctor Doom post credit.
So I just wanted to see, Jax, you had this.
And what I did have it, in what capacity do you think we see it?

(01:18:44):
Do you think we see the Council of Reeds physically everyone in
one room or what? I'm thinking, what if he has a
way to complicate? What if I'm like, what if he has
a way to communicate with the Council of Reads via like, yeah,
literally like some kind of zoomhologram.

(01:19:05):
You could say holograms, something like that.
Like, I don't think that's far that's that far fetched.
It's a lot like they're doing Artie Franklin Richards in this
movie, because they have. You have to have the Council of
Reeds if you have secret wars coming up at some.
Point. We need to get it, Ricky.
Thoughts. I was only thinking Multiverse

(01:19:27):
of Madness when they kind of didand John Krasinski in there and
people probably still again, your casual viewer might be
thinking of that. And also they don't want to they
want to make sure this they get this movie right.
Like we're we're saying there's going to be no major cameos.
I'm I'm thinking they just really want to make sure this
movie is good and solidifies this group and people.

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Again, we talk about characters and make sure people like these
characters like they we have notliked with other Marvel
characters recently in phases 5 and 6, four and five.
So I have it as like a wow I have to mention this but I don't
want to put it down but. I do think we need it.
I don't know how they're going to explain it in Doomsday.

(01:20:12):
It's going to be very difficult.They they won't be in the movie,
obviously, I think, but I think with what Pedro's working on his
character, what re Richards is working on it, it's telling you
like not only secret wars coming, but like, oh, you think
the council reads like you thinkthat it's going to lead to that.
So I wouldn't be surprised if it's like a fun post credit,
like it may not even be like it could be something that's like

(01:20:37):
fun and it's cameo filled. But I guess the implications of
it, it may not have not as insane as like doomsday, like
maybe like leading into like Doctor Doom leading in a
doomsday. You know what I mean?
But I think it would be that canbe a fun cameo and you can pay
tribute. You could I I I totally forgot
the 1994 fantastic Mr. Fantastic.

(01:20:59):
You use the five you 5 people onthe council of raids
potentially. I thought that was a fun one.
That'd be a bonus. But I think we're we we have to
start unloading the clip here right with the rest of you guys.
So I I guess it's a yellow lightfor now.
Council of reeds, Ricky folks ispretty much I hear probably no
Jax, if are you a yellow light? Are you green light here?

(01:21:20):
What do you think? Yellow.
Yellow, OK, so most likely not going to happen if we're not all
on board. Jax, give me another one trying.
We're trying to get one bonus here.
Do we? OK, And what are the We don't
have a Doom 1 yet, right? We said Lavaria.

(01:21:41):
OK. And that the Doom one that I
pitched got shot down. We know Doom.
It's not 'cause these are bulletpredictions.
Yeah. It's not like do like do.
It'd be like Doom doing something or something like
that, you know, Or it's the facething.
We could do the face thing. Shit.
That's the big reveal. Like to me I.

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Don't think we get the face, I don't think we get RDJ.
Doom no RDJ face Doom with a mask.
That would be kind of crazy though if, and now I'm thinking
about it, if we all know it's RDJ and they don't give us RDJ,
that is they. Got to show his face.
Dude. They got to show his face.

(01:22:23):
But but in the same sense we know it's him, they don't have
to show his face. Yeah, that's also.
True on the flip. Side every goddamn coin here,
RDJ. You want to put his freaking mug
on this screen? You do think we get his face?
I do not think we get his face. I think we get the mask.
People unloaded here, what's next?

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All right, all right, let me, let me, let me, let me throw a
few here. Quick, quick fires here.
All right, you just quick. Yeah, you're like interesting or
not interesting. All right, Doc, you mentioned
the chalkboard and look like a professor's classroom.
Do we get a future Foundation intro?
Yeah, I think, I think that's definitely already existing at
the stage. You know what the next movie is?

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Spider Man and the MCU Spider Man.
I know it's not going to be a Spider Man cameo, but I'm just
saying maybe there's like a Peter Parker in this classroom
and this different universe. Oh my God, you think?
OK, so there's a kid. There's Peter Parker.
In the classroom. There's a Peter Parker in the
classroom. I don't.
Think it's too wild. I don't think they will because
it's like maybe they will like if they just have a book that

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just says like Pete Parker on itor something, like a competition
journal, something like that. Right, I'm just again, it can't
over shadow the movie. So I don't I'm just I'm just
saying like these are some ideasI had.
So I'm just firing off right here.
Another one would be what we call it Galactus.
I talked about it. How are they going to explain
this origin like his origin story and everything and Ralph

(01:23:52):
Venison like he's like a classicthat guy.
And are we going to get like a pre Galactus like Krypton type
origin story like montage quickly with like a like him
narrating it? I think, I think your narrator
is Silver Surfer. Yeah, I was just about to say
that. OK.
I was also saying maybe, maybe we mentioned Beyonder.

(01:24:16):
Oh man, when did we bring up Beyond There?
After what movie? Didn't we make a prediction with
no Loki? I think we did.
We were talking about with Loki.But like I'm saying like this
Beyonder and Galactus like have obviously like there's something
there like and with the origin story, like I'm just saying like
maybe that's a little too much here, maybe too much.
What if coming in here like I don't know but could be a?

(01:24:37):
Loki post credit too by the way.That could be that could be a
Loki post credit with the timelines.
Like something happening with the timelines?
Or just TVATVA in general at that point as well.
We have TTVA is good. Sorry Rick, I interrupted you
there. No.
Those are just like 2 I was thinking about.
I was trying to think of something with like the negative

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Zone or like the Noel Noel fire.Like how are they going to be
Galactus? Like probably with a Noel fire.
And that's probably like going to be maybe go linking back to
doom, Like maybe that's what he steals from Reed Richard I I'm
just trying to think of something here.
But we do have 5:00 and we only need one more really.
As a bonus. I'm I'm open to any suggestions.

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Jax, you have anything else thatyou want to get off your chest
before we lock in the five and maybe we just don't have a bonus
I. Can't think of running you guys
took everything on my list. I like the Doom 1 where Doom
uses Reed's technology and Doomsday begins.

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Like I think that's how he does it.
So do you think the post credit scene is like him but he's not
just doomed by himself like the Fantastic Four or at least a
Reed Richards depending on whichone is there.
So you're saying more people arein this post credit scene?
OK, now I just had AI had a crazy thought like if we want to

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get deranged. So because we're I was because I
mentioned right end of secret wars, Franklin Richards is
creating the universe and sending them off.
What if Doom uses Franklin to kind of start the secret wars in

(01:26:23):
terms of make all the incursions?
Like what if that's the key? But we're going to go from
Galactus trying to steal the baby, so like.
I'm saying in a post credit, I'msaying in a post credit scene,
like maybe it's not explained fully.
Maybe that would be something for Doomsday, but yeah, I think,

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I don't think we'll see it in this movie.
But again, what if Doom is taking Franklin and to try or
trying to steal whatever? Maybe they're both at the
goddamn rocket at the end of themovie.
You know, I would say, Ricky, why don't you?
Can you list out to five and seewhat we have?
So we have Superman will make more at the domestic box office

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than Fantastic Four that Varia is in the film somehow Fantastic
Four the group are is are not inthe rocket ship scene at the end
of Thunderbolts post credits scene.
Paul Walter Hauser will have less than 5 minutes screen time
and the Silver Surfer dies in this movie.

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OK, those are 5 solid ones. I would love a bonus.
I would love a bonus. Ricky, what do you think the
bonus should be? Do we?
It sounded like you guys were inon the council reeds.
Council. Hint Council.
I will. I will say as a bonus, so

(01:27:55):
technically won't count out of five, I'm fine doing that as our
bonus like time travel element maybe I was thinking too like I
don't know there could be. Some got to be a post credit.
I think it's got to be a post credit I think for council
reads. Jacks, are you, are you on board
with that? I'm on board with that.
How many post credits are in this movie I.
Think it's 2. 20, there are two.OK, Yeah.

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I I think that's a good one. I think that's a good.
One, I kind of like it. So, Council reads, can we just
say like in the movie and we don't have to specify?
Yeah, just say they're in the movie.
Yeah. And then one thing that a good
bonus is US arguing whether RDJ shows his face in the post
credit. That's a huge argument.

(01:28:41):
I'm big on no. I'm in the middle now I.
I'm saying he is fucking on there.
His face is there. Like we need to see it though.
That's the like I was saying earlier, like, you know, it's
him. Like he's due.
Show us the mask. I need to see him take off the
mask. OK, I think we're torn.

(01:29:03):
We can't put it down. Which you got.
You guys are battling. And I.
Think honestly, Jax was make a wager.
OK, OK. What should we bet then?
OK you brought your Yeah, I was.I was thinking maybe a popcorn
bucket, you know? OK, yeah.

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Is there a good popcorn? Is there a Galactus 1?
Yes, but it's massive. Yeah.
How much? How much is it?
Let's see. It should be massive.
There we go, collect this popcorn bucket. 80 bucks.
Oh. That's fantastic.
Though oh man, we should. We should get a popcorn bucket
LED. Popcorn bucket too.

(01:29:45):
I was, I was really that it's LED.
Yeah, shit like the eyes glow inthe dark, but.
It's weird. It's worth that 80 bucks.
OK, so I I have RDJ shows his face.
You have he hides his face. Do you want to bet this popcorn
bucket, Jax? Let's shake on it.

(01:30:06):
Wow, let's do it. We have our.
First ever popcorn bucket wager.On I love that let's.
Go crazy. Those are bold predictions.
I think we've done it. Well done, Ricky Flicks.
I think you just read through them, so I don't think you have
to do it again. So thank you Jax for hopping on
for Fantastic Four first steps, preview and bold predictions.

(01:30:27):
This is a huge weekend for you. Now the stakes are even higher,
literally. So this is going to be something
else. I am.
I am very excited for this movie, Jax.
Any final words before we sign off today?
Super Bowl week, baby. Drinking fluids.
Be ready to ride. Let's win.

(01:30:48):
We're. Back.
Not yet. We will be back, but let's just
win first. It's going to hit different.
It's going to hit different during the review.
Jax, are you on the review with us?
When you guys, yes, yes, OK, Flex, we'll, we'll talk and
we'll iron it out. But yes, I will be there.
Love it flex. Any other comments before we
head off into Fantastic Four weekend?

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Can Foggy do it? Can Pascal do it?
Can Marvel do it? These are the questions, big
questions. We haven't had this in a while,
dude. We haven't had to ask these
questions of the MCU since a different Wolverine a little
bit, but like it's been a long time since we had to ask these
serious questions. I guess Wakanda Forever was
like, oh, can we get past the Chadwick Boseman Black Panther?

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That's probably the biggest question since then, right?
Can we do this? All right, Fantastic Four, Fox
property back at the MC or now with the MCU, can we do it?
All right, he said it. That does it for episode 475.
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