THE FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS Spoiler Review & Deep-Dive, Post-Credit Breakdown & MCU Tiers Revised

This is our SPOILER- REVIEW for 'Fantastic Four: First Steps.' You have been warned. We also breakdown the post-credit scene and it's implications, place the movie in our MCU tiers, and discuss where it lands in terms of MCU hero debuts.

Episode Transcript

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This is the Drive in podcast Take one

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Howdy Doody. Welcome to episode 4770 TDI.
This is Doctor O on the horn to start her usual and as always,
I'm joined by my Co host, my best friend and ambassador to
Latveria, Ricky Flex. How are you my friend?

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Are you ready for a deeper dive into Fantastic Four first Steps?
It's been a few days, been soaking it all in and I'm I'm
down and ready to get into some spoilers and really kind of get
into the nitty gritty here with you guys.
So, Flix, as ambassador to Latveria, what was your reaction

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to Reed Richards's plan to, I guess, teleport Earth 828 into a
different stratosphere? What were your thoughts on that?
Oh, as ambassador to Latveria, Ithought you were going to ask
why I wasn't present at the the World Nations or United Nations.
But no, my reaction was, that sounds awfully familiar.

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That sounds awfully familiar. I'm very interested in hearing
more from your leader in the next few movies, but I think
it's time to transition to our guest 'cause you mentioned that
it's not only you and I on this podcast, we are joined once
again by our MCU correspondent and a guy who's sitting high and
mighty on the MCU correspondent throne.

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Jax, how are you, my friend? How we feeling?
Doing good boys. Best movie of all time, No
exaggeration there. No, I'm feeling good.
Finally got a correct Fantastic Four on the big screen, so we're
happy with that. Jax, it's got to be a good day

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for you, especially because thisis spoilers and we're going to
talk about the post credits scene.
We're going to talk about the bet that we had and it seems
like there is a, I mean a debt that needs to be paid.
So I'm excited to talk about that.
So Ricky Flex and I gave our initial reactions on Friday.
We did a quick 20 minute pod. I'll go through just Rotten

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Tomatoes, IMDb and synopsis. And then I want to hear your
initial reactions, Jax, because I'm highly anticipating them.
I have a feeling, I know a catchphrase of yours will make an
appearance today, but I want to hear more.
So Rotten Tomatoes, Fantastic Four first steps, 88% critic
score and 93% audience score. IMDb 7.5 out of 10 and the

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synopsis simply reads Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman,
Human Torch and The Thing faced their most daunting challenge
yet as they defend Earth from Galactus and Silver Surfer.
Jax, you saw this on Thursday night, same night as us when you
left the theater. Tell me, what were your initial
reactions? Back there it is immediately.

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Yeah, No, I was pleasantly surprised.
I think like talking real right now.
First act, really good. Second act, phenomenal.
Wow. Third act good, Good.

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Not anything crazy, but I reallyliked it.
I thought. Pedro Pascal surprised me.
I was really happy with his read.
And then everybody else. I mean, I think Vanessa Kirby
knocked it out of the park with Zoo Storm.
I think that was phenomenal. The thing I wish he got more

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shine. And I didn't mind Joseph Quinn
as Johnny Storm. I didn't mind him.
I didn't think I was going to like him, but I thought he did a
decent job. Johnny Storm was my favorite
part of the movie. Yeah.
And he's someone that, I mean, Iloved all the portrayals.
I think it was. It's going to satisfy all Marvel

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fans, Fantastic Four fans, especially from the previous
portrayals that we got. I feel like this was most, I
guess, steeped into like the DNAof the comic books.
Joseph Quinn I thought had the best arc in this movie.
I I know people will probably say Vanessa Kirby and the theme
of motherhood and things like that and Franklin Richards
incorporation into this movie definitely helps play into it.

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But the idea of Johnny Storm kind of being Ricky fucks, and I
talked about it like an underdogor someone that is like, OK,
he's not, you know, respected byReed Richards, but he is family.
So he has to listen to him reluctantly.
He doesn't want to take the 2:15meeting with Johnny Storm.
But to have a little bit of redemption for him, Oh, him kind

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of proving his worth. And he's not just the guy.
Oh, something's happened in the sky.
Go check it out. It's more OK, He's not just
flirting with Silver Surfer, he's not kind of understanding
the language or whatever's happening with him.
He's like trying to do his best to play his part.
Because a lot of this has to do with not only using the

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Fantastic Four's like abilities,but it's like them trying to
solve how to save the world. A lot of it relies on brain
power from RE Richards. But what if he can't do it
himself? So I thought thought he was
great, played into like the family theme of this.
It's it's going to take a, you know, it's going to take a
family in order to defeat Galactus and save Earth.
But I like Johnny Storm the best.

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Ricky Flex, who did you say? Who was your favorite out of the
core form? I, I actually think the thing
was my favorite, like as an adaptation from the comics and
whatnot. Like I sure like I do have some
Michael Chukwiz love because I like the I I like the kind of
felt more natural, less CGI withhim.
But I will say, like I think Evan Moss Bacharach was really

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good in this and I do think he was limited.
I do think they did cut out a lot.
But I do think like I I was happily surprised with Reid,
right? I did he necessarily knock it
out of the park? Maybe not just because it's
first iteration and we still don't we haven't seen Pedro do
this type of work yet. So I think it might take some
more time. And I think Vanessa Kirby, I
think that we knew that was going to probably be like the

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most like reliable part of this,right?
I just think the thing and the EV boss back rack, like I
thought they did a good job trying to like like for us, be
like a fan favorite a little bit.
And also again, his storylines just so tragic, yet also like
you're always rooting for him just because of what happened.
It feels like he got the brunt end of the stick, obviously, of
what happened to the Florida, right.

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So you're always just rooting for him.
And I think Evan Moss Bach rack is was was very good in that.
So I think he was the most natural besides Vanessa Kirby.
As in just like seamlessly beingBen Grimm.
And it kind of separated from the previous iterations of The
thing. It still has the Thing where
maybe he lacks a little bit of confidence based on his
appearance, you know, but it's not like the Michael Chiklis woe

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is me 'cause it's not an origin story.
They've lived with these powers for four years.
You know, it needs abilities andlike the effects of like the
cosmic radiation. Like The thing is like he's I
accepting of who he is and what he looks like.
And they kind of grounded that with that conversation between
the thing and Mr. Fantastic. Mr. Fantastic still feel feeling

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guilt for what happened four years ago, right.
And they kind of skipped over the origin story, but it's more
like the thing. You know, he kind of has an arc
that is cut short a little bit. It feels like like it's it felt
almost like it's not woe is me, I'm ugly.
I'm a pile of rocks. But he just lacks confidence,
whether he was a pile of rocks or not, you know, it kind of

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like kind of humanized him a little bit more in this movie
rather than like the classical take on it.
Do you feel that, Jax? Yeah.
And I definitely think there waslike a nice contrast between and
the thing we saw in the trailers, right, where Reed,
it's like the preview, it's likethem before going up to space
and Reed is just like, oh, this is the best pilot or whatever.

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And then he's like, yeah, he needs the best looking.
So it's like a nice contract. Like he was so confident and he
was like, I'm the guy. And now it's kind of like
self-conscious about how he looks and all that stuff.
So I think it was cool to see that.
And Jax, I wanted to also talk about the setting here.
I mean, Flix talked about it. It was kind of refreshing to see
a different look for the MCUA, different visual tone, and to

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have almost like a retro 60s. It's not exactly the 1960s.
I assume it's like modern day for Earth 828 that we're on.
What do you think of the choice there to make it, I guess less
visually similar to what we typically get in the MCU?
I loved it. I thought, I mean, again, the
setting was just sick. Having that like retro
futuristic kind of vibe, but like The Jetsons essentially.

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Like it was really cool. Yeah.
And I just really enjoyed like all of like the undertones of
it. And I liked like bright colors,
like 60s, like kind of like old school stuff.
That was really cool to say. So I I enjoyed the setting more
so than the other Fantastic Fours that we've got.
Yeah, maybe because I was thinking about it like it didn't

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have to be like 1960s retro, youknow?
But it is a different Earth, youknow?
And I also, I think you needed like a different visual take and
you needed something to spice itup a little bit.
I thought it was effective. Was it necessary?
No, but for some reason just felt right with the first family
old timey type of feeling. It's been something where it's

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been, it was rumored forever about the Fantastic Four movie
that was going to take place in the 616 and therefore they were
going to be in the 60s because how else would you explain that?
But it'd be weird because it's like if they've been around
since the 60s, like why haven't they been mentioned before in
the 616? Let's just take in the
Multiverse Saga off Earth. So but you didn't have to make
it 1960s and an alternate Earth,you know?

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I just think maybe it's just honestly for an aesthetic reason
and because Marvel's first family old timey type of feel.
I think that's why they executedthat Ricky flicks.
Yeah, I agree. I think I think you said it a
bit there where they're trying this movie was clearly trying to
be true to the Fantastic Four Jack Kirby 60s comics, right?

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They were really trying to be true and the aesthetic here with
its retro also just it feels more homey, more family versus
modern era. It just does right?
Anytime you see that, it really just does.
So I really think it worked for the Fantastic Four, not only to
stay true to the comics, but also that family grab more.
I know this is a world ending type of movie, but they're
really are trying to be groundedwith and with these superhero

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movie, they really are trying tobe grounded with this family,
right? And the kind of themes here and
you kind of knew that when you heard it was going to be this
aesthetic. You heard that Matt Shackman,
someone that did Wanda Vision was going to be directing here.
And I think it did feel fresh for Marble, right?
They're free to do things on a different earth, a different
world. And that kind of goes along with

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the point of this movie where there wasn't homework necessary.
You know, you there weren't any cameos.
We're on a different earth. This movie really does stand on
its own. You really don't have to worry
about other MCU heroes And I I think you're really like, I know
we talked about on our preview episode where the MCU kind of
like is very the continuity of the MCU.

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They they take real pride in, right?
I think Doc, you said that last time and here it was different,
you know, and it felt fresh for me.
So I think it really did work. It's something they should have
done. I think this whole multiverse
saga, like like not like Elks World, but kind of like that,
like in a different universe, show different teams, different

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heroes, whatever. Because then you can do whatever
you want. You don't even have to tie it in
maybe with a post credits scene or something like that, but have
different universes. And then obviously with Secret
Wars coming, put them all together like that's something
they should have done and shouldhave explored more.
So it would have been a great idea.
It would have been sick. Instead of characters coming to

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the 616, let's explore outside the 616.
You know, that's smart. It's really just.
Continuity, I think the the pride, you know, and the
arrogance, you could say of the MCU saying we can connect
everything. And instead of looking at it
like the multiverse era saga, like Jax, like you were just
saying, which probably would have been the smart play, right?

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They kind of just said, hey, we are Marvel.
We had this great run in the past 10 years.
We could continue this and in reality, it's like a team that
needs to shake up its star players at the end of their
career. It's like we need to shake
things up. And I think this movie, although
I think there are flaws, I thinkdid a great job shaking things
up for the MCU before a potential reboot.
And it's going to give a little bit of a culture shock when the

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Fantastic Four, if they go to the 616 or they go to a
different Earth where they're soused to that 1960s retro feel.
And all the sudden you're thrustinto like, the world that's
similar when you look out your window.
Like, Kevin Foggy was talking about this movie felt more comic
bookie than other MCU movies. You know, Galactus, they didn't
try to like literally minimize him.

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They they kept him the size he should be.
They tried to make it look like when the Fantastic Four were
originally written by Jack Kirbyand like conceived up by Stan
Lee, they wanted to make you make it feel that way.
Even the IT says spoilers. So just another heads up here
for any listener. But even the like, I guess ways

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they're trying to solve issues here and trying to solve the the
Galactus problem, trying to teleport Earth 828.
That's like such a like like it would never happen on the 616.
That could only happen on a different planet, and it'd be
something that would be tried ina comic book, you know?
Can you imagine? I wanted to talk about the
script for a SEC. If they had this idea, the

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Fantastic Four, it's happening modern day 616, And they say,
yeah, everybody, we are going toteleport Earth to somewhere else
and we need everybody else on board.
That would never happen in the 616.
Like they were divided by the Segovia chords.
Like you would only happen in this world where the Fantastic
Four are worshipped, you know, and there's no other.

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We're heroes. It literally couldn't happen on
616. Which is also why I like the
idea of changing the setting. Jax.
Yeah, right. Like, absolutely.
Again, ridiculous, but very comic bookie like, yeah, we're
going to move the world. And then if not, like, all
right, we're going to move Galactus again, spoilers.
But like everything about it wasso comic bookie like, like the

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we got a montage, which I was very happy with, like the shouts
of the puppet master. And you had Mole Man play big
like that was it was it just felt right to have all these
different areas and like the scene where the police are
flying by or whatever. And Reed was like, oh, no,
that's me. And then he's like, yeah, the

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puppet master's over there, MoleMan's over there, Diablo's over
there. I was just like, I was sitting
in my seat. I was fucking go like.
Bull Man was awesome. Yeah, I thought it was great.
This movie was definitely like walking out of theater and like,
wow, I enjoyed that movie as a fan of the MCU and sorry of
Marvel and the comics, like thisis definitely a comic book movie
now. Like was it He was like Doc, you

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talk about the script like was this a good film?
You know, if you want to use a different word, like I I think
there are questions, but like aslike a kind of like fans for us
three at least, like you definitely are satisfied with
this movie. You know, it's just what it is.
And I think something where marvel you're walking like a
recent times post end game, you're walking out of the

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theater and you're like, man, like I wouldn't have done that
or like I wouldn't have can get devoured by a bunch of ants.
You know, like this one's like you walk out of the theater.
It's like, yeah, that's like kind of like out of a comic
book, like exactly what I was kind of looking for here with
the Fantastic Four, something that has been impossible to
adapt on the big screen the past25 years.

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And I feel like they did a good job here of getting like back to
its roots and also that comic book feel to it.
And especially with the oats to Jack Kirby here, they clearly,
that was clearly a like a key point that they wanted to make
here and they came across well. Something else we talked about
how this is obviously different Earth than 616.

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It's not really impacted by the events of the 616 or something
that's happened in phase four and five.
It pretty much stands on its own.
It hints at different like parallel Earths by Reed
Richards. I'm sure that will come into
play later on. But a huge thing that I noticed
is that they with this FantasticFour movie, it it is having
continuity through the inclusionof one particular character,

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Jax. And I think the idea of having
Franklin Richards in this movie,that was a bold decision because
First off, this is the FantasticFour.
We're trying to upstart these characters.
And who do you have in the middle of it?
The kid of Sue Storm and Reed Richards And obviously huge plot
point of the movie, right with him and Galactus wanting read

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Franklin Richards. But then like you see the powers
of Franklin Richards and you seethe post credit for this movie.
That is going to be the connective tissue for the rest
of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, doesn't matter what
Earth you're on. So what do you think of his
inclusion in this movie? I know you've brought him up
multiple times in this podcast, right?
Do you think, what was your, I guess what was your reaction to

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having him play such an integralrole in the story?
I think it makes sense, especially with the story
they're going with with Galactus, because in the comics,
right, Franklin Richards at one point in the comics uses
Galactus as his herald, which again, crazy.
But like just it was, I thought it was great.

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I mean, because he is literally like one of the most powerful
characters in Marvel Comics and he's literally like an Omega
level mutant, all that stuff. Which I think could also have
ties to X-Men coming up, which would be cool as well.
But yeah, I thought it was great, especially just the story
they went with Galactus and having him be like, I need that

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kid. I think it was really cool
because then it kind of shows you like, oh shit, like this
baby is him. Like he is this God.
So it was cool. Complex, like your thoughts on
Franklin Richards. I mean, we didn't really talk
about it much, you know, but he shows the ability to bring back
life and we know he has the ability to create universes,

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like obviously a very valuable piece of the Marvel Cinematic
Universe. And we see it with Doctor Doom
in the post credits scene. But did you think it was a lot?
And did it show like the MCU, kind of like Still is thinking
about the future by including him?
Yeah, completely. Yeah.
I, I think that's, I honestly think was the whole point where
you look at previous F like Fantastic Four adaptations, like

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they don't mention Franklin Richards, you know, and there's
a reason for that because it's hard to kind of adapt, you know,
and it's a huge story, huge set of powers.
We thought Galactus was hard. Try explaining Franklin,
Franklin Richards. But what I think this movie did
really well with Franklin Richards is that they really
showcase how important this kid is, right?
And that's what you need when you're going into doomsday and

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you're going into Secret Wars and beyond.
And this, he will be an integralpart, right?
As there's a little Fast forwardin the post credit scene.
And then there will be another Fast forward at some point in
either Doomsday or Secret Wars. He will be getting older and his
importance will be increasing. And the post credits scene makes
me a little bit nervous with thecharacter for a different

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reason. We can talk about that later.
I don't want to jump into that. But overall, I think this movie
did a really good job trying to say, hey, I know you're here for
the Fantastic Four. You've seen the three previous
movies from the Fox, 20th Century Fox, but don't forget
about Franklin Richards because this kid might be the most
important character in Marvel inour reboot coming up.
Like he is definitely the I likeyou, like the four Fantastic

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Four, obviously integral for thefuture of the MCU, but in terms
of bringing about the events of Doomsday and Secret Wars, like
Franklin Richards could be the key for Victor von Doom at as he
said, the post credits scene here.
After I watched this movie, you know, I had to for the second
time this year. I just started reading secret
ores again. I I finished it in like one day

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of reading just because I was sojacked up and I wanted to almost
out. Like it's interesting that you
read secret ores and you just saw Galactus, him wanting
Franklin Richards and having himbe as like successor and kind of
relieve him of this pain that he's going through of being this
devourer of worlds. But in the secret horse book, he

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is basically the babysitter of Franklin Richards Galactuses.
And is he like the relationship they have?
And after I saw this movie, likeare we going to see Galactus
again in secret wars because he plays a role in this too.
And Galactus isn't dead, you know, from the third act of this
movie. Will he be in Secret Wars?
I guess everybody will be. Maybe.

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So it's just kind of interesting.
I want to get to this eventuallybecause I think we have to talk
about how Franklin Richards could bring about the the start
of the events of Doomsday potentially like what he has to
do with the TVA timelines incursions.
I think he'd be a huge part of this and executing Doctor Doom's
plan that will lead into these two next like major events that

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major event movies. Galactus, though, while we're on
the subject, Jax, what do you think of him?
You know he was obviously largerthan life, but what were your
thoughts? So happy he.
I think he looked fantastic. I think the character, like they
just did him a service. He was so, like, terrifying.
And you can also see it from like, just the panic from Reed,

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Sue, Johnny and Ben. Like the panic they had.
They were like, what is that thing?
Like, get us the hell out of here.
Like you could just see it. He was so good.
Yeah. Just like terrifying as he
should be. Like, he eats worlds.
He should be scary. It was fantastic.
Flex your thoughts on Galactus. The CGI worked for me and I

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think it might depend on the theater you're in.
I'm seeing a lot of debate, but I think in our we saw it in
Dolby, I thought it looked great.
And I think the best scene with Galactus was on the ship and
like his throne on his ship. And when he gets up to take a
closer look at Vanessa Kirby Sioux Storm and then his eyes
stopped glowing and they're real.

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But then right when he gets upset when they don't agree to
his terms, they go back to glowing.
And then everyone's like we got we rich is like we got to get
back to the ship. Like that just shows the
presence of this guy. But also they they tried not
human, but again, the eyes not glowing and that real look that
you see a Ralph innocence like wow, that that's what made this
little different than other MCUCGI fest, right?

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Because this was one, let's be honest, this was one.
But I think with the Galactus, they did as good a job as they
think they could have with the CGI, with the real look.
And again, I loved him in space,particularly him on earth.
I know Doc and I talked about ita little bit and our instant
reaction pods. I think it's polarizing.
I think it works, but I think ifyou say it doesn't, I won't say,

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hey, like you're wrong. I'll say, OK, I get it.
I think the Galactus on his ship, the first time we meet
him, that leads to like the introduction into like the space
chase. That's the best sequence of the
movie in my opinion. But like, he was terrifying and
he was terrifying on Earth too, right?
So that's where he is Godzilla, where he is stomping through the

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aspect ratio of the screen changes to show how big he truly
is. Like he is too big.
They know it shows you. Like they weren't afraid to
attack a villain that was a cloud the last time we saw him.
They wanted to try and do Galactus, right?
And that also gave it the comic book feel.
It's not. It's something that you would
see rather than something that is trying to be interpreted and

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trying almost made sense of or something that would be a more
humanized or grounded villain compared to what we usually see
in the MCU. I thought it worked super well.
And to have that moment in the third act where he goes through
the black hole and then you think it's over and him coming
back, that was terrifying. Like I, my dad was sitting next

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to me, jumped up in his chair Abd jumped up.
He thought it was over. And then you have a great moment
with Shia Labal doing the SilverSurfer thing, coming to the aid
of the Fantastic Four. Also.
You see it coming. You're a comic book fan.
You know the story of the SilverSurfer.
You know, but seeing Shia Labal kick out Johnny Storm and then
take out Galactus, I'm like, yeah.
And it hits a little bit harder when, you know, the back story

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of shallow ball. Did you like the Silver Surfer
Jacks? Love it.
I thought she was great. I thought it was a great job.
I like the storyline too. Like you were saying, like you
love Johnny like I like that connection that they had and it
just works right. Like Johnny loves Johnny loves
face, Johnny loves woman. There you go.

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I love that connection throughout the whole thing and I
like, I think it was great that the thing was kind of busting
his balls about it the whole time.
But he's like, oh, your girlfriend's back.
I like the Silver Surfer. I thought she did a great job
and I thought she looked really good too.
I thought it was great. Look great.
Ricky Fletch, your thoughts? Anything on that we didn't talk
about last time? Yeah, I, I think I liked her a

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lot. I think 1 little gripe would be
right after she demolishes all the bridges, she and she like
Johnny, like says like, hey, like I know your story, yadda
yadda. And she goes away and the Galaxy
comes to Earth and doesn't come back until the very end.
It's like, OK, where, where wereyou?
But that's a little nitpick. But overall, like I did like
that. I mean, I did like her and I
like the connection with Johnny.I think that did work.

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I think it worked. My only another nitpick I would
say is that clearly like I I think Galactus did not have
enough time. I I think on the ship was great
presence and then on Earth you have OK him show showcasing his
power, right? You, you don't know his power
yet on the ship you're just like, wow, this guy is a cosmic

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being. He is crazy powerful, but we
didn't actually see his powers. Then on Earth we see it and
that's it. We have those two scenes and
that's it. And then the other like kind of
the other half of the potential screen time went to Silver
Surfer, which again I liked. But it's like we do finally get
Galactus, real Galactus, and nota cloud in a movie.
Do I want to see more of him? The answer is yes.
The answer is yes. And I feel like this is an hour,

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55 minutes. A lot of it of the villains
screen time went to Silver Surfer and not Galactus.
I think we've seen the Silver Surfer story before.
I kind of wanted to see more Galactus, but that's just my
personal gripe I guess. Yeah, that was something I
brought up last time. Where is he?
He's like almost too overpowering to have in too much
of the movie. You know, fantastic.

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Like the Silver Surfer in any other Marvel movies, probably
good enough to be the the big bad of the movie herself, you
know, So when you have someone as big as Galactus and then you
have such a strong character like the Silver Surfer, it it it
seems like Silver Surfer was kind of, I guess inserted to
take up like, OK, yeah, we can'thave Galactus in 30% of this

(27:24):
movie. He can only be in 10% because
he's in 30%. There is no Earth A28 anymore.
You know, he's like, yeah, he's 2, OP.
He is maybe the most powerful villain introduced in a like a
hero entry in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Like, is there another more powerful villain that have been
introduced? Like, when you think of, you
know, Loki, like, I guess is up there.

(27:45):
But when you think of, like, family, like, he's got a yeah,
like, there's almost nothing youcould do.
But you want to do something big, you know, for the
fantastic, for his entry. And you can't repeat Doctor Doom
because he's going to be in Doomsday.
I like this is awesome that theytried it and for the most part
it worked. You just sacrifice the screen

(28:05):
time. That was the huge thing.
I, I, I, I would just say like another gripe of mine with this
movie kind of connects with that, where if you look at the
action scenes of this movie, right, it's when Silver Surfer
first comes down to Earth and then Johnny flies out to space.
Then it's when they are in spaceand they're trying to get away
from Galactus. They're in a ship and they're

(28:26):
flying while Silver Surfer is the one actually chasing them
down and surfing through the shots that Johnny shoots and
what not. And then you have the Silver
Surfer again breaking down the bridges and then Johnny chasing
after her. And then the final, you get the
action scene at the end, right, with Galactus.
And I think Greg, mind is we don't get enough Fantastic Four

(28:47):
being the Fantastic Four in action in this movie.
The most you get is the opening montage when you have Reed
Richards facing the Super apes from Red Ghost.
You have Johnny and Sue fixing abridge and you know, in New
York, like we don't get enough of the Fantastic Four actually
doing Fantastic Four super beingthings, right?

(29:08):
We get a lot of them in the family and the rooted elements
that we talked about before, butwe don't actually get a lot of
them actually working. Yeah, that was one thing that I
was thinking immediately after as well, because like you don't
really see, like, for example, like Reed, you do not see Mr.
Fantastic using his stretching in an action scene, right?

(29:30):
You see him using it on the chalkboard, grabbing like in the
spaceship, kind of like moving back and forth.
You don't really see him fighting with it except for when
he kicks out the red ghost's monkey or whatever is A and then
at the end with Galactus. So that was one thing that I was
thinking too. And also with the thing, you

(29:51):
don't really see him use his strength except when he like
knocks over the pillars of the building.
Like that's it. Well, act, this is too big.
You know, it's just like what, how much is he going to do?
But I, I, my thing was with ReedRichards.
Like The thing is, Reed Richardsis the smartest man in the
universe, right? So if he's not stretching and

(30:12):
doing things, he's using his mind and he's using his big old
brain. But what he there's part of move
where he can't figure it out. And there's a part of the movie
where his big plan is a teleportEarth and then another part of
his plan like he's what is he talking about?
He uses his son as bait and he just does like an old switch
like that anyone could think of.Like The thing is like not

(30:33):
talking about the thing. But the thing about Reed
Richards is if he's not stretching, he's got to be the
alpha in terms of his planning, you know, And when it doesn't
seem like that high concept whathe's doing and he's not
stretching, maybe you're not really selling me that he is,
you know, one of the premier heroes in the MCU at least.
If he's doing like stuff on the chalkboard, let me see his.

(30:55):
Let me see him stretch his arm when he's doing everyday stuff,
you know, let me see him use hispowers like they were not
letting him use his powers. And when they weren't, like he
was not really flexing the brains.
I think he actually has. So I think the performance was
good by Reed Richards, by Pedro Pascal, I mean, but in terms of
what he's doing, I kind of wanted more flex.

(31:17):
Yeah, I, I think like when you look at the casting, right, and
I was critical of it, you, you see Pedro Pascal, a guy that is
a charismatic, they literally call him the Internet daddy
like, and he's here going to show up and be like Reed
Richards, the smartest man in the world, family man.
And I think like he did a good job not letting his charisma

(31:37):
kind of take over the team and become the Pedro show, right.
So I, I, I do think it worked. The problem is, is that did they
convince me that he's the smartest man in the world?
And I don't think it's Pedro's fault.
I think it's more on the script and the MCU.
They did not convince me that heis the smartest man in the
world. And I agree with you, Doc, on

(31:57):
everything you said, but I thinkit's more of a writing issue.
And I just think it's kind of crazy because now we're going at
the doomsday and Doctor Doom is being played by who, RDJ.
And he has already played, quoteUN quote, one of the smartest
men in the world before. So I it is a little bit makes me
a little bit nervous with the character when he's going

(32:18):
against his arch nemesis. How they're going to tackle
that, I don't know. But I do like to see, like
again, I think Pedro himself dida good job, like again with the
acting and what was asked. I just think maybe behind the
scenes on the script with a pen it could have been done
differently. I, I really did one thing I
loved that they did add in is a couple of times specifically

(32:42):
what was the same, whatever it was, and Reed was like, well,
Pedro Pascal, whatever was like,I should have known like, or I
like, Oh, I am the only one who can do this.
Like, because you want Reed to be a little arrogant, like,
because like he's a smart guy and he knows it.
Like, so you want him to be a little arrogant.

(33:02):
And I think they did a good job portraying that.
But again, in terms of like figuring out what you're doing
and like, Oh, I'm just going to move the world.
Like it could have gotten a little bit a little bit more
intricate in that. When when they decided to move
the world, teleport the world, and I thought, well, This is why

(33:26):
it only could happen on Earth 828, because if it was 616, the
world is so divided in so many different ways.
Like to have everyone kind of put their trust in the Fantastic
Four, you could kind of sell me on the idea that they could
teleport everybody because everyone just, they're the only
heroes of this world. Reed Richards knows best.
You know, they've saved us countless times.

(33:46):
It's just another way to save us.
But if this was the 616, you gotpeople saying give up that damn
baby, dude, give up that damn baby right now.
Yeah, do not teleport us when all we have to do is hand over
this child like that would fix all of our problems.
Could not happen. There's one person that's not on
board. I think this was a nice little

(34:06):
tidbit they included during the Future Foundation meeting led by
Sue Storm. They did show the lot Varia
nameplate and you don't have Doctor Doom there, Victor von
Doom sitting there. It shows that there's at least
one person in this world that's not putting up those
teleportation, you know, devicesin their country that that
Doctor Doom is not doing that because he doesn't believe in

(34:27):
them. He doesn't think they're all
that. You know, maybe he thinks there
is a part like I am more superior, right?
Maybe these guys are beneath me.I am not going to bow down to
these people like everybody else.
That small bit, that small like empty chair and three seconds of
the movie, I think actually set a pretty good like root for like

(34:49):
the relationship between Doctor Doom and the Fantastic Four
before we jump into Doomsday I. Gasped when I saw lab area I was
I was fist bumping I I don't even know.
It was the most excited I was inthe movie.
I'll be honest, it was even overthe post credit.
I was more, I was like when I saw I was like, Oh my God, I was

(35:11):
like, wow, all prediction correct.
And also wow, they actually are doing it in this way.
Wow, I love it. We talked about the
teleportation of Earth, but likeother like script things that
were just like, what are we doing it?
I love the arc of Johnny Storm. We talked about it that he is
now like a consequential member of the team.
Like he's doing things that are making an impact.

(35:33):
He's impressing read. You know, he's doing things for
the team other than just flying in the air.
Him learning Shalabal's languagein like a month is insane we
have to admit. No, he's not.
He's smart, but come on. Like that is like filling up
plot holes like I've never seen before.
They're filling up plot holes with freaking cardboard.
I like that was insane. Yes, I agree that was insane.

(35:56):
That is one thing though that I did like about Johnny that like
he didn't he's not like Chris Evans nostalgic loved him as
Johnny Storm. They portrayed him as like this,
not dumb, but like doesn't give a douche bag exactly where it's
like he's a he's still an astronaut.
Like he's still extremely, extremely smart.

(36:17):
Now is smart enough to learn a whole alien space language in a
month. Probably not.
But again, I'm happy that they did that service and actually
like portrayed him as someone who's not an idiot or an
asshole. I like the relationship he had
with Shia la Baldo, you know, where it was.
It is kind of like, oh, man, sheis like, she is the one, you

(36:39):
know? And she is like, my love, I have
to, like, find out everything about her.
And then he's, like, impressing her that he knows her language.
And then he knows her origin. You know, it's like, literally
what you see in like, a ROM com.Like, I have to get on her level
a little bit. You know, It did have a little
bit of those vibes, right? And they kind of set the tone
there when they first met in space.
And he grabs a surfboard. Other things Subterranea with

(37:03):
Mole Man. I thought that was the most this
felt like a comic book movie where alongside Galactus, how
big he was, but also having everyone in New York City go
underground at the subterranea. How big is this?
You know, I love the performancefrom Paul Walter Hauser.
And he had some great lines likewhen he's talking about like
what? Like what was it?
What do you say? Wipe your feet as you walk in,

(37:25):
you know, never mind, it's all dirt.
I thought that was great but also like it wouldn't happen on
the 6th 1. Like just would not happen.
This is why it felt like it was more of a comic bookie MCA movie
than we've ever seen Flex. Yeah, I agree.
I like Paul Walter Hauser pump boy on here on TDI, love them
bias. But yeah, like, I think it's a
little bit of a stretch, Like, again with the blackouts, like,

(37:48):
like, oh, no, no lights off after I eat.
But it also goes with like the Fantastic Four in this world.
Not only are they the biggest celebrities, but they kind of
are more important than the president and world powers, you
know, and people are going to listen to them over anybody
else. So I get it.
I think it makes sense. For me.
It's just like, yes, it is comicbookie.
But I was just like, wow, this is kind of ridiculous at the

(38:09):
same time. I was like, I love it.
I love it. I'm not in agreeance with that.
I think, right, Like it shows like the diplomacy of like Sue,
right? Like literally leading.
Oh, it's true. Like leading the United United
Nations kind of thing, whatever it was.
But like I thought it was like, I loved it, dude.

(38:30):
Like I think like it shows like a different side of her that we
haven't seen where like she can be that diplomat.
She can be like, the forefront of the Fantastic Four to the
world and like, everyone trusts them.
They're the only superhero rightin this whole world, as far as
we know. So yeah, I I thought I disagree

(38:52):
wholeheartedly. I, I, I think Sue Storm should
have been running that press conference when they came back
from fighting Galactics. You know, she should have been
the one talking. And like Reed Richards, he's the
smartest guy. He'll find the solution.
But is he the best at PR? I wouldn't say.
So. Who's the best at PR?
Sue Storm. You see her, like, making that
speech in front of the crowd, a little bit on the nose,

(39:14):
probably, and a little bit like,OK, like, this only happens in
this world because they adore these heroes more than anyone
else on any other planet, you know?
So she was the one that kind of is the, I guess, the image,
Like, she is like, the leader ina different capacity than the
way Reid is. You know, Reid will internally

(39:35):
figure out what to do with the team, and then he'll also, like,
be grounded by his family. But once they have to do
diplomacy, they have to go in front of the world.
Sue Storm is, you know, kind of the face of the Fantastic Four.
Where else do we get? Do you guys want to evaluate the
bold predictions we had, Ricky? Yeah, sure.
So why don't you pull him up right now?
Let's see how we did before we get to scores and then we get to

(39:57):
the post credits scene. So evaluating bold predictions,
Ricky Flex. What was the first one we had
all? Right.
So we did. First one, domestic box office.
We won't know that right now, but it looks pretty good.
It doesn't look great, but it looks pretty good.
Second one, Lavaria is in the film somehow.

(40:18):
Bang, check that boom, we're in.So one for one, the Fantastic
Four are not in the rocket ship of Thunderbolts.
We have to talk about that. We don't know.
Yet we're not in the movie and. We'll get to it with post
credits because we could talk about who may be on that ship
and what is the context potentially, but I don't think

(40:40):
we could talk about that until we get to the post credits
scene. But what else do we have?
So we that's just, that's just not applicable to the batting
average. So we are one for 1/2 of them
aren't can't even apply. Yeah.
Yeah, we we walked and we got hit by a pitch.
We're one for one right now. Exactly.
Paul Walter Hauser, Less than 5 minutes screen time now.

(41:00):
It was damn close. Doc Song.
I'll sit next to Doc. I was on my watch.
He did have less than 5 minutes,but he was in so many scenes for
10 seconds. Yeah.
So that is a count, but it just doesn't seem like it until you
look at the paper in the details.
I, I think it's, it was closer than we thought.
I got nervous when we saw him gointo the Baxter Building and we

(41:24):
saw the ribbing he was giving and how much of like the 1960s
corny, like super villain that he played.
I'm like, how much are they going to let Paul Walter Hauser
cook? Right.
One of the resident Pump Boys ofthe Drive In podcast and they
let him cook for a little bit and had me nervous that we
weren't going to get this one flex.
Yeah, it was a squeaker, but we got through.
So 2 for 2/2 incompletes we havelast our last one.

(41:50):
Which Silver Surfer dies in the movie?
Do we? It's tough.
I would say you that's also potential hit by pitch.
It might have grazed our fingernail and like it's up for
review. It might be that.
Situation swing. It's going to the first base
umpire. It's still in review.

(42:10):
They're still reviewing it rightnow.
A lot of reviews, but I'll tell you what, our bonus one
definitely did not get it. The Council of Reads are in the
movie. That was just not right.
It was a that was a bonus. We we couldn't think of what to
say. And that was something that I
think that was attainable, you know, and most of these we
couldn't answer. We need one that we just get

(42:31):
wrong. They got to, we got to be bold.
We got to do stuff that like is probably not going to happen,
but there is a 1% chance, you know, we have to fire.
Yeah. And right now if let's just say
the the out of five, we've gotten 2 for sure.
If three of them are wrong, 40% hit rate for a bold prediction
is still very good fellas. That's Hall.

(42:51):
Of fame, You've had 300. You're in the Hall of Fame,
baby. This is one of the greatest
redemptive arcs for a TDI correspondent maybe ever from
Jax. From going from Thunderbolts to
this an over to hitting 400, allof a sudden you're below the
Mendoza line and then you're TedWilliams craziness.
Well, well done Jax. OK, so evaluating both

(43:16):
predictions, we did pretty good.Do we want to go scores and then
we'll talk about post credit, you know, use the post credit as
an actual post credit to this like deep dive and review.
So scores, we'll start with you Jax, what do you give?
Fantastic, Four first steps. Out of 100 correct Correct 80.

(43:38):
Nine OK 89 from Jax. Ricky, I'm at a 72.
OK, I'm an 81, I'm an 81 and I guess before we go to the post
cred, I did want to ask this is coming out right two weeks after

(43:59):
Superman. Jax, did you see Superman I?
Did. You did see Superman.
So this is potentially igniting the month of July 2025, the
Marvel versus DC war it has commenced.
So if you look back on our two viewings this month, who do you
have reigning supreme right now?Marvel Cinematic Universe?
DC, Fantastic Four versus Superman?

(44:21):
Ricky Flex, who you got in this title week bout.
So I just want to go back to Friday, June July 11th.
All right? I have a text message.
Not really ADC guy but just saw Superman and it was all caps
fire. Who was that text from?

(44:42):
Couldn't have MCU correspondent Jax.
Wow, it's. A good movie, super movie.
I'm going to go Superman. I I think it was better.
I, I, I think it was and I that again, Fantastic Four.
I think it's a good comic book movie.
I think Superman also is a good comic book movie.
And I also think it is just has that little leg up.

(45:03):
And I think Lex Luthor, I think was also really, really good in
that as well. And I think the supporting cast
a lot to do there. And I think also lived up to the
hype. For me, Superman is a superior
film, but it's not like it's like, Oh my God, like Superman
was like the next Dark Knight. No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying I think it is better than Fantastic Four Jax.

(45:23):
I know where you are going to land obviously, but how close is
it between these two? It's it is close.
I've really enjoyed Superman. Again, like I said to Flix, I'm
not really ADC guy. I like DC.
I'm more of a Marvel guy, but I thought Superman was great.

(45:44):
Now for me, right, I'm a comic book guy first.
Fantastic Four that that's that's it for me.
That's my niche. I'm obviously I'm going
Fantastic Four, but it was really close.
I think Superman was great. This is tough because to me,
these movies are very similar. Like you're getting a vibe of

(46:07):
what DCU is going to be all about, and it's not going to be
reminiscent of the world right outside our window, just like
the MCU has been and Kevin Feigehas described.
But this movie from the MCU is also not in that category.
It's not the same world outside your window.
And it does feel like a comic book, more so comic bookie than
other MCU films. So in that regard, they're

(46:28):
pretty similar. And then also the characters,
they're like, these are the definitive versions of those
characters, whether it be Superman, Lois Lane, and then
Lex Luthor. It's how they are imagining
comic books. Then what we got with the
Fantastic Four is most accurate to what we've seen compared to
the other Fantastic Four movies in terms of like, like also just

(46:49):
the movies themselves. CGI is not perfect in either
movie. You know, I think the visuals of
Fantastic Four, first steps are better and I think maybe like
what they did with Galactus is more impressive than anything
they did in Superman visually, you know, so maybe I give it the
edge there, but where did I havethe better time?

(47:10):
Superman, honestly, And it may not be, it might be a little bit
crazier in the third act. It's not as tight as a film as
Fantastic Four in my opinion. But what would I rather see
again? I think I would rather see
Superman again. I'm also a little biased.
I'm ADC guy. I'm ADC guy.
I'm excited by what it accomplished and setting the

(47:32):
tone for a universe or like I guess setting it up, I should
say rather than setting a tone because that's the opposite of a
James Gunn's been saying. This one for Marvel also
inspires a lot of hope for the future where it's like, OK,
here, phase six, forget about four and five, let's go.
Here's Doomsday. I'll give the edge to Superman.
Definitely not by a lot post credit.

(47:54):
So what we get here after the events of the defeat of Galactus
in the third act, Stinger goes four years later, Franklin, four
years old, you got The Origin ofSpecies by Charles Darwin, Sue,
Sue says. We're not reading that anymore.
We need to feed this kid some. Doctor Seuss goes to get the

(48:16):
book, comes around the corner, get the ominous music.
You have Sue on high alert and then you have the green robe
that is around the corner facingFranklin left hand.
You have the Doctor doom mask and we have no visual on the
face of RDJ Jax. I can't tell you how bittersweet

(48:40):
this moment was. Yes, we got Doctor Doom, Yes, it
was confirmed. It is RDJ standing there and
boom, I have a visual, I have AI, have a theory, and I have
thoughts on how this will lead to the events for Doomsday.
But then it dawns on me. I now owe you a Galactus popcorn

(49:03):
bucket for the sum of $80.00. So, Jax, congratulations on the
bet. What you can give your victory
speech now, Then we'll talk about the post credit.
Yeah, I, I thank you, Doc. Obviously I, I'm going to, I'm
going to enjoy that. That's going to go right up on
the wall over there on the mantle.

(49:23):
But yeah, I mean, it was a it was bittersweet for you.
It was a double win for me. I was just like, we got doom.
Oh, wait, I'm also getting a Galactus popcorn bucket.
It I was in euphoria. Your thoughts on the post credit
now that we've gotten through that and the listeners who don't
know, I made a bet with Jax, if you listen to last episode,

(49:45):
wasn't part of the bold predictions, but it was
something we were very, I guess,contentious about.
I said that we were going to seeDoctor Doom and CRD JS face in
the post credit. Jack said no, we're just getting
the mask and I was devastated. Look, you were there when that
happened. Yeah, so we we were together as

(50:08):
a family. Parents were there, Miss Brooks
was there. We were there.
And we all knew before the moviedoc was telling them all, I had
this bet going into this movie. I go like I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a
little nervous. But he was he was confident and
we all, we all were like, you own the Galactus popcorn bucket

(50:29):
right away. We weren't even talking about
the post credits scene. We were talking like, oh man,
where are you going to find one of those?
They don't sell them right here at this AMC.
So that will be another journey for docs to kind of explore.
But no, but to the actual post credits scene, they actually
they they did more than like, you know, like a fan was like,
oh, fine, I'll do it myself. They actually like kind of gave

(50:51):
a little bit of plot teasing with Franklin.
And I I think for me, my immediate reaction was actually,
Oh no, but hear me out. Because they just used Franklin
as this, you know, like, hey, this is like kind of the key,
the plot of this movie. Are they going to do the same

(51:12):
thing in Doomsday, Right. And for me, like doing that two
out of your last three movies for the MCU and with the same
core characters, that just seemskind of too similar to me.
I know what I do think they'll figure out a way with a huge
ensemble cast with more than just a Fantastic Four and maybe
a Doom RE type of rivalry. I don't know.

(51:33):
Again, I don't know if they're going to be former classmates or
not. The RDJ element just leaves
everything open to be honest. I think they'll clearly try to
throw something in our plans to make it a little different.
So at first my instant, instant reaction was Oh no.
But now, like letting things simmer, I'm more optimistic
around it. So you were thinking that, OK,

(51:55):
we just had a movie where they were trying to take Franklin
Richards from the Fantastic Fourand then we would post credit
where Doctor Doom is presumptively trying to take
away Franklin Richards from the Fantastic Four in Sioux Storm
specifically. So that is also what went
through my mind. But for me, I was just so jacked
that we finally got doomed. And we had been predicting Jax

(52:17):
is talking about Thunderbolts post credit.
And then we're talking about howit hasn't been really, I guess,
planted this idea that Doom is going to be the big bad in
previous MCU films, Phase Four and five, and finally we get
them. And to have it confirmed that
that was RDJ, that's exciting. Even though he didn't show his

(52:39):
face, I, I, I, it makes you knowhow valuable Franklin Richards
is. And this is where I was thinking
about Secret Wars. Will they simplify Secret Wars?
And in Secret Wars, Battle Worldis conceived of when you have
Doctor Doom, Doctor Strange, andMolecule Man.

(53:02):
So it's like those three and they take the power of the
Beyonders and then they create Battle World.
Are they just going to simplify it because those characters just
aren't established? When I'm talking about Molecule
Man, he's not really established.
He has never existed in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Are they just going to take the powers of Franklin Richards,
Doctor Doom that is, and create these incursions?

(53:23):
Are they attacking the TVA? Will they attack Loki and then
create this universe because that's the capabilities of a
cosmic being like Franklin Richards?
And will they kind of like dumb it down for us, Jax?
That's kind of what went went through my mind exactly when we
saw it. Yeah, so I got thoughts.
I have many thoughts. First off, Doom, we're back.

(53:46):
You guys got it. Fantastic.
I obviously was very happy. Now what I think is going to
happen, right? I don't, we're not going to get
Molecule Man. I do not think we're going to
get him because like you just said, Doc, we've never, we don't
know who he is or where he is. And the thought with Molecule
Man is essentially right. There is one Molecule Man in

(54:06):
every single multiverse and that's how they're able to use
his power and everything to get beyond his power.
So we're not going to get that. What I do think is going to
happen is the thought or what happened in Deadpool, Wolverine
with anchor beings. I think it's going to be
something more along the lines of that.
Now Franklin Richards, I do think it's going to be used to

(54:28):
start the incursions or something.
He's going to have something to do with that.
But yeah, I think it's more so it's going to be maybe something
to do with Franklin Richards starting the incursions, or
maybe he's able to kind of travel the multiverse, kind of
like America Chavez or somethingalong those lines where Doctor

(54:49):
Doom is going steals him. He's going to different
multiverses, killing anchor beings, starting these
incursions, creating sequel wars.
I think it's going to be something more along the lines
of that again, just because we don't have Molecule Man and
they're not, I don't think they're just going to be like,
Oh yeah, there was this guy on every universe, we just never
showed you guys and here he is. And now we have Battle Wars.

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This is a good call from you because Molecule Man, like
you're right, there's a piece ofhim in every universe in Secret
Wars. Just like what do we have now
instead of Molecule Man? The anchor beings.
And is it the anchor beings thatare being, you know, collected
maybe, you know, by Doctor Doom and by maybe Franklin Richards

(55:31):
helping him out or being forced to help him out?
That's interesting. I think that is the solution.
That's a good call, Jax, and that's where I'm looking for.
What are the separations from graphic novel and the comic book
run compared to what we're goingto see in the MCU?
And are they going what? What?
Yeah. What variations are they going
to make? I think the anchor beings for
Molecule Man is the move. That's a good call.

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I also need to talk about now that we have this post credit,
we also had the Thunderbolts post credit.
That's not really referred to atall in Fantastic Four.
And we have this rocket heading towards the Earth 616 that has
the Fantastic Four logo, but we don't know who's on that ship.
Ricky Flex after seeing this movie and we have that

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prediction. The Fantastic Four aren't on
that ship. What do you think's really going
down right? And just literally going to be
the opening for Doomsday. I think it is.
It's going to be similar to Infinity War and we'll get some
sort of scene in the beginning of Doomsday, probably off this
post credit and what not. And then we have a ship, a
Fantastic Four ship going to the616.

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It'll be like Infinity War wherewe have Thanos invading of the
like from Ragnarok post credit the ship onto again as guardian
ship and then Bruce Banner Hulk fighting and then arriving at
the 616 sank. Thanos is coming.
I think we're going to get some sort of revelation like that.
OK, And I'm curious if Doctor Doom takes Franklin Richards, if

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that is like truly the start of all this.
He takes Franklin Richards. Maybe he takes Sue Storm with
him too and like he has both both of them hostage and it
might be. There is a storyline of that in
the comics. Yes, part of secret wars.
He essentially he's like he takes her.
She can't remember before secretwars, before battle world and

(57:25):
like she's kind of like his queen of like to his God emperor
doomed like I think, I think that's might that might be what
we're getting. So I just got to the part in
Secret Wars that you had Sue Storm tells a story to Franklin
like a bedtime story, the story of the Fantastic Four.
And Sue Storm tells the story that you have the thing Johnny,

(57:49):
her instead of Reed Richards, her remembering it's her dad who
is Franklin Richards like, like not the son, but her father.
So they wipe her memory. Could something like that
happened early on in Doomsday because she's taken hostage, You
know, you have the sorcerer abilities of, you know, Doctor
Doom that have never been explored before.

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Maybe they show that off early on in Doomsday.
But I was also going to say thatRocket could be Ben, Mr.
Fantastic, Johnny Storm looking for Franklin and Sue, and they
find themselves on the 616. So I was thinking that maybe
it's still not the entire team, but partially this is how you
bring those heroes there, because they're on this hunt to

(58:32):
track down Franklin. And Sue tough for our bold
prediction, but OK. I also have a crazy idea if you
guys want to get nuts, what if that is the Council of Reeds?
Because you're reading? No, hear me out, hear me out.
You are reading the Secret Wars comics.
The maker who is the. Evil.

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Reed Riches is a big part of that comic run.
Yes. What?
And again, we're spitballing here.
And again, Franklin, not Franklin Richards.
My apologies. Reed Richards is one of the only
ones that remembers, if I remember correctly, that
remembers what happened before Battle Worlds.
So if we're getting crazy here, it's like him, it's Reed, it's

(59:16):
the Hulk and someone else, if I remember correctly, I can't
remember who it is. They remember what happened
prior. Everybody else doesn't.
So like, what if that is Reed rounding up other reeds?
They're going to get Doctor Doom.
I don't know. We're getting crazy here.
And you think of that? Well, you brought up the Maker
too, which is very interesting character.

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The maker is sick. So the maker is Reed Richards
from a different universe, and he's not grounded by his family.
So he's very pragmatic and he'llmake decisions as the smartest
being in the world. And he doesn't have to like,
worry about someone holding him back.
Like he doesn't have to worry about Sue Johnny Ben.
Like he is like almost an evil version of Reed Richards.

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And like in Secret Wars, he's working alongside like Neymar
and Thanos. Like he has like the the most
powerful beings that we know. And villains are like taking
orders from the maker. And then they have a regular
Reed Richards that is the wife. It's the husband of Sue Storm,
who's obviously been brainwashedand is with Doctor Doom, so it's
interesting to see the two different Reed Richards talking

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to each other. It'd be interesting if Pedro
Pascal plays a version of the Maker in Secret Wars.
Especially with the version thatwe just got in First Steps would
be fascinating. I kept thinking about also with
the characters that we have established in the MCU, like
it's not going to be a one to one with the Hickman version
2015 secret wars. And what they have in battle

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world is that most people's memories are wipes.
They explain that, but they havethese different kingdoms, like
there's a Kingdom, there's like in Doom stat they have they have
they're protected by Thors. There's just a bunch of Thors
that rule. There's a Kingdom of like
basically Hulks that they can unleash upon people and there's
different barons that leaders ofland.
They're similar like a Game of Thrones or a Westeros.

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And they have, you know, Mr. Sinister is a leader, he's a
Baron. You have Madeline Pryor, who is
also a Baron. Who become those type of
characters in Secret Wars is going to be fascinating to see
because you can't just throw in characters we don't know.
You're assuming too much from the Marvel audience, like who
gets to have those titles? Who gets to have those, you

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know, kingdoms. It's going to be fascinating to
see. And I actually, I don't know
about you guys. I am a believer and what the
Russos are doing and people are hating on it just because you
have RDJ as Doctor Doom. But these guys said the only way
they would come back to Marvel is so they got to do Secret
Wars. There's people are saying the

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scripts not done this, this, that.
These guys have known that they wanted to do Secret Wars at
least since they started doing Infinity War.
Like they've been asked about it.
They had said they want to do it.
They're taking a break from Marvel for now.
They come back. These are the only guys that
could execute Secret Wars. I think it's all going to come
together. I think it's going to work.
Flux. No, Jack, go ahead of.

(01:02:08):
You. I was.
Just going to say you can't doubt them.
They're what, 4 for 4:00? You got Winter Soldier, civil
war, end game and Infinity war. Like no reason to doubt them.
They've proved it. They've showed it.
You know, they walk, They've talked to talk, they've walked
the walk, you know, like, they have to do something wrong in
the MCU to doubt them. I think so even though it does

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look bad, the PR looks bad on this.
Like, Rebecca Romaine this week saying in an interview, like,
with a bunch of people, like, yeah, like, I was, I think I'm
shooting more scenes, but the script's not even done.
And they've been working on thisfor a couple months.
It's not a good look. And she's not the only one,
Sebastian Stan saying a bunch ofpeople are saying it.
So it's not a good look. They definitely probably should
have ironed out the script beforehand like James Gunn, DC

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is doing. So it's not very good when James
Gunn's getting things right overat DC like that.
But point is, like Jack says, you can't really doubt them
until they do us wrong. And I think if Doomsday doesn't
come correct, then we could start doubting about Secret
Wars, right? Then we will start doubting
about Secret Wars. But right now, I still feel
pretty good. I still feel good.

(01:03:13):
I am a little nervous about whatyou're saying about like who's
going to get what for Secret Wars because there's just so
many vital characters that aren't in the MCU picture right
now. And I know same thing with the
Infinity, Infinity, Infinity War, very similar century and
what not. Those major characters weren't
in it. But the problem is we had 10
years to build up to that here. It feels like we haven't really

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had that much build up for essential characters in Super
Wars. And that is kind of a problem.
So I think again, they've provedit.
They've again, they're. I still have faith in them, but
to say that's not in the back ofmy mind would be incorrect.
The huge thing is how the character interpretations, who
gets what it's it's all going tocome down to how they explain

(01:03:59):
how the guy looks just like TonyStark is Victor Von Dim.
Like, are you going to a lot of people are doubting it.
A lot of people are skeptical that they're going to be able to
pull it off. Can you make it work?
That's the biggest thing that you have to do here.
Is it more than just a play to make sure you have the MCU back,
you have RDJ back? Is there something that you can

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do where it's going to say this was the right move all along?
You have a lot to do to convincethose people that's how it
works. But I have faith.
I have faith, all right. Anything else you want to bring
up? I guess where we should do what
we should do is talk about MCU hero introductory projects,
debut projects. We have a new super team

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involved here. I want to kind of compare it to
like the Iron Man ones, the Captain America ones, the Black
Panther one. Like what is where does this
rank amongst the greatest like entries for superhero team or
hero in the MCU? Like I would say Iron Man is

(01:05:05):
like DS tier. And then when you go with that,
Black Panther is probably up there.
And then alongside that Guardians of the Galaxy.
For me, those are like the threebest like intro debut movies.
I guess you might want to throw in Spider Man Homecoming could
be maybe in there as well. But then you have other movies

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like Doctor Strange, you have Ant Man.
What do you think? Thor, Incredible Hulk?
Where does this rank amongst thebest, Ricky?
I think you're right with Iron Man Guardians Black Panther
being its own tier homecoming I do put above this.

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I think so too. For me, clearly, but I I
definitely am more down on it than you guys.
Then I think it's a conversation.
I think it's a conversation around Thor, Captain America,
and Doctor Strange. I think they're all in that
similar tier. I would personally probably put
it in the middle around there, but you guys I feel like might
have some different things. Thoughts on that?

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I'm a big fan of Thor and Captain America.
I think maybe they haven't aged as well, but I think still like
the start of the MCUI think that's the best we could have
done at the time. I and I think the castings were
perfect. I honestly put those in higher
regard than most so I'm a littlebiased there as well, but what
do you guys think? I honestly I'm kind of in the

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greens. I don't agree with Homecoming.
I don't. I think this is probably in my
opinion, better than Homecoming.I do think Iron Man Iron Man is
untouchable. I think Guardians of the Galaxy
untouchable. I put this probably 3 or 4 for

(01:06:55):
intro origin. Again it's not an origin story
but origin movies. 3 or 4 for me.
Yeah, and like, I think like some clear ones that it's better
than, in my opinion, I think it's better than Captain Marvel.
I think it's better than Eternals.
I think that's not going out on a limb.
I think it's better than Ant Man.
I agree. I I think that might be
controversial to some because Ant Man's Paul Rudd, it's so

(01:07:17):
funny that I, I think this is better.
Shang Chi I think this is bettertoo.
Is that an agreement there or no?
My agreement. It's Shang Chi for me is close
but it's not quite there. I think the action scenes in
Shang Chi are great versus here,I think they're lackluster.
But I think as a movie, I would in an intro, I would take the

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Fantastic Four, I guess. And maybe that's my Fantastic
Four bias, but I, I, I still think it's better.
But yeah. And then I, I, I then it's what
we talked about already. Doctor Strange, the Thor's your
Captain America's. That's like kind of what's the
homecoming for Jack's like. I think that's the conversation
now. And it's interesting 'cause I
think Spider Man's debut in Civil War and him and Black

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Panther, it's like the best character intros.
Like if we're talking about specifically not just having
their own movie, just like entrances into the MCU.
Those two I I almost can't find a better like after Phase one
characters entering and they did2IN Civil War that's why.
And they're two of the most integral Marvel characters that

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is so underrated that they were able to do that by the Russo
brothers. Being able to follow up Winter
Soldier with Civil War, introduce Spider Man and Black
Panther. That makes me think they can do
Secret Wars. Well, that type of thing where
you can have a character that maybe hasn't been a part of this
and you can install them and then be super effective.

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That's why they are the best people to do Secret Wars.
But if I'm talking about movies,Guardians better than this
movie, Iron Man 1 better than this movie.
Iron Man is de essed here. It's like you can't do better in
terms of a character or movie intro debut for universe 2 Black
Panther. I'm also going to say, you know

(01:09:06):
what? I'm a huge Captain America.
One guy. You know, I I love this kind of
movie did the same thing where it's the 60s, but it's not
really the 60s. It's the modern day for a
different planet. But I love how they adopted it.
The World War 2 for Chris Evans I love.
Like that's the starting point for the character.
You see what he evolves. You see the culture shock that

(01:09:27):
happens afterwards. It's a little bit campy and I
like that. Feels a little bit more like
Captain America comic booky typeof thing.
It's not doesn't feel exactly like the rest of MCU movies.
I'm putting that above this movie.
Homecoming I think is better than this movie too.
And then I have first steps. This is better by the way, the
Thunderbolts in my opinion. I agree.

(01:09:49):
It's I think it's hard to kind of differentiate the two because
they're so like not hard to differentiate, but they're so
different in tone. Like the thunderbolts is a
depressing ass, but that movie is sad.
But like and this is so vibrant and fun and like again, comic
book. So it's hard for me to like

(01:10:09):
separate the two because they are so different.
But I think it's better than thunderbolts as well.
I think this is again the best movie of all time.
So like whatever, but. And I know I, I, I, I know I
won't win this argument, but I am a Thor stand, I guess is the
one because for the reasons you laid out for Captain America,
you make the same argument for Thor, right with Kenneth

(01:10:31):
Branagh, like again, the medieval type feel to it.
Like I, I think that works in the Loki villain aspect.
I thought was fantastic. I, I, I, I, I really view that
movie is very similar to CaptainAmerica first Avenger where the
campionists and everything around it in the intro to Thor.
I I think works really well and I think the thing that really

(01:10:52):
people harp on against that is because they look at Ragnarok
and how different of a tone thatis and how well it works and
it's like, wow, look at what Thor was back in 2011 or
whatever in 2012. It's just like, well, at the
time people loved that, you know, it's just because we got a
better take on it doesn't mean that wasn't good.
So I don't want to win that argument, but I just want to say
for the same reasons for why I love Captain America First

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Avenger. Like you said, Doc is why I
think Thor is still solid. I I I prefer Captain America the
first Avenger definitely over Thor.
I'd I'd like Thor one. But again, to Doc's point, who's
the villain in Thor 1 realistically?

(01:11:37):
Smokey. Sure, it's Loki, and he sends
down whatever. That he doesn't fight on the
Midwestern town, you know, No. Like he sends down that fire
thing, whatever the hell that was, I don't even know.
But like, I don't know. I don't think it's as close as
you think Lex, but like it's. And by the way, that thing that
comes down is pretty daunting and it's as a great scene.

(01:11:59):
I will say that is a great scene.
So if you say like, oh, he doesn't, well, that is a great
scene. In Red School, again, a lot of
the actions again, we got to be,we got to be little again.
I'm a Captain America, one guy over Thor.
But we also have to look at it the other way too.
I, I, I, I think we're really discounting here.
They're more similar than you'd think.

(01:12:19):
Like what? Like I don't understand what is
so similar about them. I get it.
They're phase one. They keep talking to you saying
the. Intro Chris Evans, You're saying
the scope, for example, dude, it's a it's again, it's, it's
about the realm of Asgard. And again, I know we are on
planet Earth, so we're looking at it from an Earth's
perspective, but it's taking over the helm of Asgard.
And that's a huge plot point forThor.

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Massive. And I think as well, when you
look at Thor and the cast of characters around, you have
Anthony Hopkins over here and just the elbow over here.
I think there's some good supporting character
performances there too. So overall, I got, I think it's
very similar. I again, I am a captain of
America, one guy. And I think the conversation is
now getting out of hand and I'm far to blame for that.
But it's like I think they are in the same, they're in the same

(01:13:04):
tier. OK, I but I think there's just
different type of corniness because it is 1940s US compared
to like just the corniness of like Shakespeare dialogue.
Yeah, I know. But like, I don't know, I don't
know how well that fits. They literally went away from.
It but like it doesn't. Give and it's in both aspects.
I don't know. I just, I don't think it gives
much for performance because it is like a Shakespeare take, like

(01:13:25):
I like. I don't think it does much for
Chris Evans, like I don't. Think that's the whole point.
That's the reason why they changed the character, you know?
I don't know OK, other things here, where's the rank amongst
like post end game movies? We have no way home.
We have guardians three. I I think I put this movie
behind those two and I don't have anything else that I really

(01:13:47):
would add to it. Jax any thoughts post end game?
Yeah, I think two or three, I personally would have it.
If it's three, I'd have No Way Home and Wakanda Forever over
it. OK, what kind of forever
interesting. Yeah, I like.
I like. I rewatched, I didn't like it as

(01:14:10):
much. Really.
Yeah, it's just like, I feel like Sherry became so unlikable
at the end of that movie. I don't know if I wanted to see
more of her as Black Panther, tobe honest.
And it looks like there's a chance we might not see her as
much as Black Panther in the future, but we'll see.
You know, it was a tough mantle to pick up, but I it.
Neymar's cool. I'm excited to see more of him.
Flix. What do you think?

(01:14:30):
Have we thought? Deadpool.
Wolverine. Did you want to mention that I
didn't break it? Up you guys like that?
The Deadpool Wolverine Yeah, interesting.
That's interesting. I think it's a different.
I think it's hard to compare because Deadpool Wolverine is
more like a comedy if we really look at it.
And again, it's talking about scope, like very, very small.

(01:14:51):
But even though it's talking about the universe at the end,
but I think really on a surface,it's just in again, it's a
Deadpool Wolverine movie. You know, it's just about the
relationship more. But I I think it's a different
type of movie. I would pick I would pick
Fantastic Four over it. But again, rewatch ability like
it's early for Fantastic Four. I think maybe Deadpool
Wolverine. I've rewatched it twice now

(01:15:11):
since the theaters and I've laughed hard both times.
So I think I might go for rewatch ability Deadpool
Wolverine. But if we're doing this
conversation, I would pick Fantastic Four.
Theater experience for Deadpool Wolverine was awesome.
You know, I saw it a couple times.
Like, obviously the the needle drops, the the inclusion of
characters it made Kevin Feige, I think he went on record

(01:15:34):
saying, like we noticed what waspossible for Doomsday because of
the reaction to Deadpool, Wolverine because of bringing
back lesser known characters from the Fox universe.
They'd noticed. Like we can probably do that for
Doomsday, but even more like notable beloved characters.
So it did have its impact. But yeah, I, I, I still think
the look of that movie is not great.

(01:15:55):
I still think the villains of those that movie are not good.
I think the look of this movie was good and the villains are
good. That's why I have it above it
for the most part. OK, where else do we want to go,
Rick? So MC of Tears, like where do we
place Fantastic Four first steps?
Yeah, like clearly. Like clearly.
Like if we're looking back at our tears list like not a God

(01:16:19):
level, which is Iron Man, WinterSoldier, Ragnarok, Infinity War
and End game. And it's clearly not a reject,
which is like Dark World, Captain Marvel, Ant man of the
wasp, eternals. You know that realm.
So it's more like is it is it anAll Star, which is like Captain
America, first Avenger, Doctor Strange, Thunderbolts, Guardians

(01:16:39):
of the Galaxy 3 or is it more solid, which is Shang Chi
Multiverse of madness, Ant Man, Wakanda forever better than.
Those. So let me understand, there goes
what were what were the tears inorder?
So like God level then we have hall like iron.
Man, what's Hall of Fame? Hall of Fame's like Avengers,

(01:17:00):
the first Avengers, Guardians ofthe Galaxy, Civil War, Black
Panther. So from our conversation, this
is below that. Then it's All Stars, which again
Doctor Strange, Captain America,First Avenger, Guardians of the
Galaxy 3 no way home. And then you have Solid, which
is Ant Man, Shang Chi, Multiverse of Madness, Far From

(01:17:24):
Home, Wakanda Forever. OK, I know where I would put it
at the top of All Stars I would say.
I was thinking like or. Bottom of Hall of Fame, like the
next tier up like it's the it's right there for me.
This is a flexible list. It's very mobile.

(01:17:45):
So I think right now it's like an All Star, but like over time,
you might be like this is a Hallof Fame movie because of your in
the debut movie, you're tacklingGalactus.
It has the iconic post. It could be a if secret wars
pans out, could have the iconic post credits scene.
It could be the best thing that comes out of like a solo project

(01:18:08):
in the multiverse saga. And if Marvel is, as Jack says,
back, this overtime could move into the Hall of Fame.
But I think it is like an All Star for sure.
I think it's an All Star. I I I think the aging is the
opposite. I I'm nervous with the aging of
this movie a little bit because I I, I disagree with you, Jax, a

(01:18:30):
little bit. I think the second act is a
little weak here. And I think the script overall
is a little weak. And I think that kind of shows
and I think it's going to show on a rewatch ability factor.
But doc, I hear what you're saying about Oh, like with
doomsday and secret wars if. These characters become a con.
And these characters are going to be so important.
You're might that might lift up this movie, right?

(01:18:50):
Similar to maybe how a Captain America first Avenger has been
lifted up a little bit for potentially for some.
So I I think it's an All Star again, wherever Thunderbolts is,
I think this is around there. So that's an All Star.
This is an All Star for me. Thinking about this movie like,
I guess if it becomes like they are, this is the start of their

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journey. And you think about the arcs
that they go on and you think about maybe where Reed goes as
potentially the center of doomsday and secret wars.
You might be this this the portrayal might have aged
better. You know, this performance is
way better than we gave it credit for.
You know, I just give it credit because not a lot of like
character solo entry movies are willing to take on as much as

(01:19:37):
this movie did, you know, So it's not as simple as, you know,
like we we talked about Captain America, First Avenger and Thor.
This is trying to do way too like way more than both of those
movies did. Those are just trying to make
sure those characters get off the ground and we care about the
characters. This is trying to launch us into
doomsday and secret wars and launch us into the good old days

(01:19:58):
of Infinity War and end game. You know, I think this had so
much weight on it. It should be like maybe this is
going to be way bigger than we even think right now, OK.
Any other thoughts on this conversation between about
Marvel Studios? You know, we covered a lot Jacks
in these last two episodes, bothpredictions.
We had the Feige Report with thefuture of the MCU.

(01:20:21):
We have our deep dive here and the other things you want to
bring up about the universe as we go into the future.
On the Spider Man. Yeah.
That's all I got. We're on the Spider Man.
It's a brand new day again. It's a brand new day.
That's it. Yeah, I think we're back.
I think spider Man is going to be phenomenal, as it always is.
But I'm I'm very excited about the future.

(01:20:41):
And I think, like you were saying, Doc, I think this is
going to be in terms of re watchability.
I think this is going to be something if you're watching
like if once doomsdays on Disneyplus in 2031, whatever.
But this is going to be 1 where you're like, oh, let me let me
bleed it right into there. Fantastic Four.
Marathon movie, marathon type ofthing.

(01:21:04):
Where this doomsday secret wars.It could be a part of that trio.
Yeah, Flex. I'm on the brand new day.
I'm on to brand. I'm hyped for the spider man.
I'm very optimistic on the spider man.
I, I'm, I have really good, really good expectations or
sorry, really good anticipation levels for I am for spider man
really excited for that. I really do think they're going

(01:21:26):
to hone in on that character from what it sounds like.
And I'm excited to see Bernthal,our boy Bernthal.
So brand new day. I'm I'm seated.
I'm ready for that. I'm also thinking about Ricky
was saying that he found the second act lackluster.
This movie, Jack says it was good, but I think I have a hard
time defining what was the first, second and third act of
this movie. I think there's like 4 parts to

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this movie. Like you have like the
introduction, you have Galactus,I mean not Galactus.
You have Silver Surfer getting to know the world.
Then you have the chase sequence.
Is that a part of the second act?
Is that a part of the first act?Is that on its own?
When they come back to Earth, right, That's the 40 minute
mark. You think that's the second act?

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Yeah, 'cause like if they like the, if you include them going
to space, if that's part of the second act, that part works so
well. But the other part of the second
act where they're devising this plan of teleportation of Earth,
I don't think that plays well. So if we're including that in
one act, the. Inciting incident is when they
go to the ship, sorry, when theygo to space to Galactus's ship

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and they say we want, and he says I want Franklin, that's
your inciting incident. End of the first act, like right
there, right after they get backto Earth and Reid says they
wanted Franklin. That's the start of the second
act. And then how do they go around
that conflict? Then the second act doesn't work
for me that you know, if that's the case.
I also wanted to say really quick, Matt Shackman, I would

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like, I think we're not talking about him enough like what he
did with Wanda Vision than he did here.
I want him to do a Star Trek movie.
Matt Jackman, did you do a Star Trek where it comes from going
to planets that may not look like ours or it has like the
retro futuristic feel. I think the space scenes at
times reminded me of Interstellar.
Like the black hole is clearly inspired by Interstellar.

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You know, like it looks exactly like it.
Like so. It's Dolby too, which helps.
It was trying to be an iterationof it.
I think the movie looked good. I gave credit to Jess Hall, the
cinematographer, when we did theinitial reactions like this
movie when it was in, I think itlooked even better when you went
in space, you know, on the CGI. Thought that was sketchy was
actually on Earth itself. I and even when you're on the

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ship and you're seeing the scanning of light Galactus is
scanning and then the silver surfer aspect and then her going
you know being able to cut through things kind of like in
not make her invisible, but likebeing able to like change her
matter and then going through like the helicopter when you
first meet her. I'm like this guy can make a

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kick ass Star Trek movie. We haven't had a good Star Trek
movie in a long time or a Star Trek movie in a long time.
I think that'd be a nice transition for him to do
something else that's not Marveland franchise, you know.
So just want to bring that up. So, Jax, thank you for joining
us for this conversation and we look forward to having you again
on the podcast. So the next time we'll have you
on Could be Wonder Man. Is that right, Rick?

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We'll see if it gets the Iron Iron heart treatment.
Did you see ya ya Abdul Mateen, the second in character Jax for
the red carpet here for fantastic.
Four, I did see that, yes. Do you know anything about the
Wonder Man character? Are you pumped for that?
I'm pumped for it. I know very little.
I know there's a the main thing I know is that there's a love

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triangle between Wonder Man, Wanda and Vision.
So, Wanda, are we back? Is Franklin Richards bringing
Wanda back? Who knows?
Wanda, is she going to be one ofthose, you know, barons for a a
battle world? She's powerful enough.

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You've seen her create a, createa whole neighborhood.
So, I mean, you never know. You know, she's coming back.
You know she's coming back. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. So hopefully, sooner than Wonder
Man, we'll find stuff to talk about.
Thanks, Jax, as always. Right, coming on the podcast and
we'll figure out the bet, we'll figure out how we're I'm going
to get you this Galactus popcornbucket and I can't wait for you

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