WEAPONS & TOGETHER Reviews + Zach Cregger's Gotham City Pitch

Episode Rundown:

- 'Weapons' Review - Spoiler Free (6:02)

- 'Weapons' Spoilers (31:40)

- Cregger's DC Movie Pitch (1:02:40)

- 'Together' Review (1:10:53)

Episode Transcript

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This is the Drive In podcast Take One.

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Howdy Doody. Welcome to episode 481 of TDI.
This is Doctor O on the horn to start per usual and as always
I'm joined by my Co host, my best friend and Zach Krieger
season ticket holder Ricky Flex.How are you my friend?

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Are you actually a season ticketholder now?
Oh, I I've been a season ticket holder since barbarian as on the
other major feature film. This is why we go to the movies.
This is unbelievable. I I like this is this guy is
entering the realm of like best young directors out there and I
like he's got to do 3. You know, 2 is great, 3 is a

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trend or three is consistent, like 2-2 is a trend. 3 is like
OK every, every time. You got to look out for this
guy, right? And it's going to be great.
I'm already there. But I think you got to do 3.
So his next thing I think is Resident Evil.
But I am definitely a season ticket holder.
I own a lot of stock and I'm just buying more at all time
highs right now. I'm a season ticket holder as

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well. But I would also say he's kind
of vaulted some of those young horror directors that have at
least three movies because of how good this one was and how
ambitious this one was. And like the level of difficulty
to pull this off and to have thecritical praise that it has, the
audience reaction that it does to have the box office success

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that it has. Like I'm I look at the young
horror directors and the consistent ones that are named.
I mean, Jordan Peele's not that young, but he hasn't directed
many movies, but a lot of peoplewould argue 3 for three.
And also when you have get out on your resume, usually that
counts for a couple movies. You know, a couple good movies
because he made a freaking fantastic one.
Other people like Robert Eggers,like obviously you think about

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Lighthouse, you think about The Witch, you think about Northmen,
you think about Nosferatu. This guy is hitting at a high
clip, you know, and then other ones, who else you throw in
there? I don't want to say Osgood
Perkins like he's someone to me that is trying to be a part of
that club. He has two movies similar to
Barb, similar to Zach Craiger, right?

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He's got what's the one long legs with Nick Cage and he had
the monkey. He's got Keeper coming up.
That movie looks pretty kick ass, to be honest.
I I think Zach Craiger already leaped.
Osgood Perkins You know, I feel like after this movie and we're
going to talk about it, Zach Craiger, he can like kind of get

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what he wants. Like he is doing Resident Evil.
I think he's going to do a kick ass job adapting that like video
game and like those movies, you know, that weren't very
successful for all of a sudden. I'm anticipating those he's
pitching like DC potential, likeGotham City stories that I was
like, how the hell are they going to make a story that he's
pitching here? And we'll talk about it, you

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know, about a Batman story that doesn't even really include
Batman. But after like watching this
movie and witnessing his penmanship, I'm like, he
probably is going to get that movie with James Gunn.
Ricky, you know, he, he, he might be #3 In terms of the
young director list. Yeah, like he, he's up there
like Chazelle's in a class boson'cause he has an Oscar, but Oh

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yeah. I'm just going horror.
Honestly, if we focus on the horror, like I, I think he's
right. He's like right at the bottom
with high upside. You know of that list that you
just said, I think like Oscar Perkins, I totally agree with
you. Like he's not even close to this
even though like solid start forhim.
I would just mention the waka Waka guys too.

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Good call. Yeah, I think I've I have them
above Oz Perkins as well. Yeah, 'cause I think besides
weapons, they have the best movie of the year.
I think that like that one's like just below this one.
For me, I think this is the bestmovie of the year so far.
It was a horror movie or just movie.
Movie. I think this is the best movie
of the year so far. So you're you're see.
You have also I was the argumentI was going to pose is weapons

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versus sinners, but you were saying bring her back is even
ahead of sinners. I think.
I think weapons versus sinners is the real combo.
Yeah, I sorry, I I forgot about sinners.
It's it's it's a toss up for me.It it's they're both amazing.
It's I would have to rewatch both, which I will.
Those two I think are the best movies of the year.
And then bring her back. Sorry, I forgot about sinners.

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I should not have forgot about sinners.
Do not forget about sinners. We are both in the Bring Her
Back club, you know, and I thinkI saw some shades of like Bring
Her Back in this movie, particularly villainous
performances that reminded me ofBring Her Back and Sinners.
The I think the whole thing's like Sinners is like a

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culturally important movie, but does it operate as well as a
horror movie or in terms of entertainment that weapons does?
I'm not so sure. You know, I feel like they kind
of balance each other out. And I rewatched Sinners this
past weekend just because of it's on HBOI never watched like
cable. I never watched like TV that's
not streaming. But where I was, we were kind of

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on a vacation. So I flipped it on like damn,
that movie bangs. The first half of that movie's
incredible. The post credits incredible.
The performances are great, the cast is awesome, and a lot of
the parts that make Sinners really good.
Weapons also has the same strengths.
You know, it's just more of likethe depth of it versus like

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entertainment. We're going to get to it, but
let's get to it. Rotten Tomatoes, IMDb.
We'll go even cinema score, box office and then synopsis for
Zack Krager's sophomore film. So Rotten Tomatoes Weapons
clocking in 95% critic score, 87% audience score, IMDb,
hitting an 8.0 out of 10 cinema score.

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How audience feel leaving out ofthe theater A minus box office
70 million worldwide opening weekend for an original horror
film on a $38 million budget, the synopsis reads.
When all but one child from the same class mysteriously vanished
on the same night at exactly thesame time, a community is left

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questioning who or what is behind their disappearance.
Let's get to initial reactions. Ricky Flex.
You heard the Rotten Tomatoes scores.
It was operating at 100% throughabout 50 reviews, gone down to
95%. You've seen the quotes on the
posters, the masterpiece accusations that are being flown
around here. Did this movie deliver as it

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promised? Yeah, it was the Prince that was
promised. This movie lived up to the hype
because like we talked about this in the check up like 2
years ago with Jordan Peele bidding for this movie and
there's a huge bidding more. And Jordan Peele like the
accused, like the potential likefirings over this movie, the
rumors of that of his long time manager.

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And a lot of people had monkey pop productions and you hear the
hype train of oh, this is Magnolia times Hereditary, you
know, and the directors at crigor saying that coming off a
barbarian, the hype train was atan all time high and this movie
lived up to that all time high. Like it, it is unbelievable
movie and it's something where you have a summer blockbusters

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like we've been anticipating allyear.
Yeah, Jurassic World, you have Superman, yeah, Fantastic Four,
a lot of IP, big time movies like box office movies.
Then you have this original horror movie and you you could
throw out an elevated horror, but what not.
And this was just a banger, an absolute banger.

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And it beats out those other movies I mentioned.
Like I'd rather go see Weapons again than any of the three
films I just mentioned. I'm with you.
So I think we should also say this is going to be spoiler free
and then we'll get into spoilersbecause we are hyping this movie
up. We are going to.
I don't think we do have to do much convincing to get people to
go see it based on what people are seeing that are into movies

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online. But I got to say you got to see
this movie in theaters. This movie, I tried to see it at
2:17 PM, there were showings at 2:17 and that why that number is
important. That's the time you can see it
in the trailer when all the kidsstand up and run out of their
house in like the V type of shape.
And there's the mystery, why didthey all leave at that time?

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Why are they running like that? So I tried to get 217, couldn't
get it, ended up having to see it at a 10 AM showing.
This is one of the best, I guessalarm clocks that I could have
woken up to. My theater pretty packed for a
10 AM showing weapons on a Sunday.
So great sign for the box office.
This movie, I will say it wasn'tas scary as I was anticipating.

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You know, we're going to talk a little bit about Together later
on this episode. I found Together to be a more
terrifying movie than this movie.
But this movie I found super ambitious and I think it
operated. It wasn't the scariest thing in
the world, but it did have thrills.
It was working as a drama for sure, and I was invested
emotionally at the end. I don't know about you Ricky

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folks, but by that ending I found it pretty satisfactory and
almost like more satisfactory than I could have anticipated
with a horror movie that you're so used to like these dark and
tragic endings to end the way this one did.
I'm surprised this cinema score is not even hot, not even like
higher than an A minus. Honestly, that's shocking to me.

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But I think this operating so many different levels and the
constant comparison, and I want to get to this.
It's been compared to Magnolia for the last couple years since
the script came to be. Zach Cragger seems like he's
really going for in the second movie.
I think the Magnolia script, thedifferent chapters, different
perspectives from different characters, all leading to one

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final solution or one final act,it was amazing.
It works so well for all these different chapters, all these
different characters. It it literally, it operated as
a horror for some, sometimes more dramatic, sometimes more
emotional, but every single one of them I found entertaining and
it never felt too big. I think that's the biggest thing

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when I watch Magnolia. You're watching like a basically
a four hour movie and it seems like it gets away from like a
focused and narrow story. This one, it felt like we were
all funneling towards something at the end, you know, it didn't
feel as sprawling as that one did.
What did you think about the Magnolia chapter type of
storytelling here? I thought it worked really well

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and anytime you're dividing a movie up like that, like this, I
believe there's six chapters, you know 6 like names again,
spoiler free. I thought I was nervous because
I was like crap like he is really doing basically Magnolia
here in like a horror type moviehere.
But the fact that this I think it worked really well because

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this was a character driven story.
You know, this movie, unlike Together, was less about the
premise and more character driven.
You know, Together was premise driven and then the characters
were after that. I think like it kind of fell in
love with the Togetherness shtick.
This one, the shtick like was like the second priority.

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The first priority was each of these chapters and the focus,
the main like the protagonist ofin each chapter and the
overarching arcs with in each character's arc.
You know, the overlapping storylines.
So I thought it worked really well because also the pace was
incredible and that is a great sign of a great director.
Dude, the pacing on this ripped.It was insane.

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And that's another part where like if you do chapters and
you're utilizing like flashback or not flashbacks, but like you
go back in time to catch up to aprevious chapter and what not,
you got to be careful with the pacing and different characters
and different like you could laga lot.
You could lag a lot in these different type of chapters
movies and this one you felt a pick up throughout the movie.

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And then the final act like you were talking about was just a
wow moment. Like a this is cinema like
Scorsese hands in the air. And that's why I'm also shocked
at the cinema score. I, I, I it's too low and a minus
is too low when you're walking out of the theater that is like
the great, like I was in a packed theater on a Thursday
night, like technically a preview showing whatever.

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And we were buzzing everyone like that.
That was one where I was like, do I just talk to a random
person right now and say. No, I was like doing the same
thing because I went like witness.
I stood up and I just said wow. And the person behind me said
like, yeah, yeah, we were all, we were all on the same page,
leaving that as opposite in opposition to together.
When I saw the end of Together, I stood up and walked out

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immediately. I didn't want to hear from
anyone. I didn't want to talk about that
movie at all. It was a little bit grotesque,
the body horror. And like, the ending is just not
satisfactory. You know it, we're going to talk
about that movie. But I feel like you couldn't end
it any other way without it feeling like cheesy, you know,
or just totally somber, like that was the way to give you
like almost like a jaw-dropping type of feel.

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They were going for it. This one.
This was a pure like summer blockbuster type of feel to it.
You know, it was pure like you leave the theater and you're
freaking rocking, you know, and I agree when it goes through the
six chapters, when you get to chapter 6 and they hit that
title card and then all things are starting to align, mapping
out things are intersecting and you find that middle boom lands

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that title card. Here comes like the answer to
this question of how these kids right left, why what's happening
in this location. It all hit ya really hard and I
thought it landed at excellent finale, but it did feel like it
was building up, building up, building up and then boom
couldn't agree more. Other films that did you like

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have other like movies that camein your mind when you're
watching this 'cause they give the obvious Magnolia with the
epic feel with the chapters, different perspective focused
on. They did a really good job with
like showing characters for a small amount of time.
And then like you realize with the format, oh, I have to pay
attention to this character now.I have to make sure even if what
they're doing doesn't seem important, they have a journey

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that's going to be like, I guessexplored later by Zach Cregger.
Other movies that you thought maybe influenced this or just
reminded you right of other projects I.
I thought of prisoners a lot. It's also one of my favorite
movies, but I thought of prisoners and honestly just a
lot of kid kidnapping movies. I, I just did.
I, I know it's kind of lazy, butI just thought of prisoners.

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I thought of gone baby gone. Like I, I was just thinking of
those type of movies. I know it's kind of lazy, but I
thought those movies kind of interact well with this one
because like, sure, this is a horror, but like a lot of times
this was a psychological thriller mystery, you know,
similar to like prisoners, you know, and this does have the
horror elements. You have some gnarly moments,

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right? And you see some of them in the
promo. Again, we're still in spoiler
free. But the reason why this movie's
amazing is somewhere like get out where like it has the
premise that's unbelievable, great log line like you
mentioned, but it's character driven and it has this
interesting story and all. And again, the way this is set
up with this chapters and each of these characters kind of
overlapping each other, right? It's unbelievable.

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And the pacing, like I mentionedup until that final act, it does
have that like summer blockbuster walk out of the
theater. Like holy crap.
Like you want to talk? Yeah, you want you want to talk.
That's why I think it works really well.
But similar to like a prisoner'sor a gone baby gone where like
it builds up to that final act, you know, that final showdown or
whatever and has that like when you walk out of the theater
moment, holy crap, like you wantto just talk to a stranger?

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Like holy crap, they landed it. And how much did that movie kick
ass? That type of feeling to it.
I I thought of prisoners as well, and I think the thing that
reminded me of prisoners most isFirst off, the setting.
It's a small town, seems like a Midwestern town, parents, angry
parents, disappearing kids, you know, kind of trying to find
someone's to claim responsibility, finding someone

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to blame. That whole thing felt like
prisoners. But also the Josh Brolin
performance. That's Hugh Jackman just dialed
down a little bit. I thought we were going to get
even angrier. Josh Brolin, I thought he was
like, that's an expert casting. If you want someone to do what
Hugh Jackman did, but he can't cast Hugh Jackman, you get Josh
Brolin to do it. And initially that was supposed
to be Pedro Pascal. I'm so glad they did.
Brolin like Roland, his like chapter in this less scary, but

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more like the Hugh Jackman performance, but like a little
bit more mild mannered and almost more logical and just a
little less intense. But I I I love Brolin and I
thought he was amazing in this movie with all these actors.
I think honestly did a great job.
But there are some stories that work better than others.
Other chapters that work, you know, more so, but other movies,

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like I thought of anything Tarantino, you know, I think
about splintered storylines, I think about rearranging
storylines. I think about replaying scenes
and you're just changing the camera angle or you have another
camera running that you can't see.
And when you switch the chapter,you just all of a sudden the
character that had that perspective.
All of a sudden you're watching that character do the same exact
thing and you're running it back, you know, So I felt like

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Tarantino then I felt prisoners I was looking for.
I was I saw in the credits. And I think it's it's become a
big thing that Fincher has been a part of this in terms of the
process of making weapons alongside Zach Krieger.
I was looking for like more likea little bit of Zodiac type of
thing or type of Fincher detective noir.
Not noir, but, you know, thriller type of feel.

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Didn't get that as much honestly.
But I think those projects really cover it.
You know, QT Prisoners. OK.
This movie kind of underwhelmed me in terms of like scariness.
I would say excellent in terms of thrills that there's a
difference there. You know, like thrills, you
talked about a great pacing, you're hanging on the edge of
your seat, you're building up tothat 6th and final chapter.

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But in terms of like jump scaresor something grotesque, I think
this kind of underwhelmed in that regard, right?
What are your thoughts? I I agree, but I also want to
say like like they did have likea Pennywise type of character
here dude. Yeah.
So I think it kind of, if you look back on it, the best parts
of these movies, like I said offthe top, like aren't the horror

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aspects. And I do think like going into
it, I thought there was going tobe more, especially because the
night before I saw it together. So when you compare the two,
like there's no question like together is a lot more you know
about the body horror. Like turn your head, cover your
eyes. That's a good way to put it.
But I'm happy because I'm I'm, I'm more into the thriller.
Like the psychological thriller is my favorite genre, so I'm

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more into this. ANYWAYS, like this worked out
for me. And I will say too, you know,
that part I was underwhelmed with, but again, underwhelmed,
probably not the right word. It's just like taken aback, less
detective work in this. Like you were saying like the
Zodiac, like I kind of expected a little bit more and did it
need more? No, I just think I kind of would
have preferred that. But again, we had that Alden

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Ehrenreich chapter, which again,he's the cop in this, again,
spoiler free, which I think was probably like, if you look at
it, might have been the weakest chapter.
What was still like awesome in its own right and a different
perspective? Right, I I agree that the that
Alden Aaron Rex character, his chapter was the worst.
I don't even think it's close, honestly.
And it's more the dramatic feel.It's more about like, I feel bad

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for Alton Airex character duringthis movie.
He's just getting the absolute snot kicked out of him the
entire time and it's not scary, it's not funny.
You know, everything else, everyother chapter has elements of
one or the other or both. You know, that one was kind of
devoid of all of it. Of it, but it kind of they kind
of lay the groundwork that the cops, they can't figure it out,

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you know, it's something that goes beyond their pay grade or
it's like we've we've gone to the extent we can terms of
figuring out why these kids wentmissing, you know, but this does
have the perspective, you know, without going into spoilers.
It has a perspective or a chapter that like Zodiac doesn't
have. Like you don't get to see why
the Zodiac killer does what theydo, you know, so you don't need

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the detective part as much because you see it first hand.
You know, it's that's the difference, I think, between
those two projects. But I agree, it's kind of like
Josh Brolin just trying to figure it out.
That's kind of like the only element we have.
I guess Julia Garner a little bit too like a little bit of the
tag team duo there. I do want to talk about
performances. I don't think we could talk

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about 1 performance in terms of non spoilers.
OK, and I think that is it's noteven arguably that is the best
performance of the movie. So stick around for spoilers and
you'll hear about that. And at least in my opinion, I
know you gave a. Little to combat it.
But so Julia Garner, Josh Brolin, Alden Ehrenreich,
Benedict Wong, I won't mention any other actors, and those are

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your primary cast. Spoiler Freight.
I love Brolin, anything he does I will watch.
I like him way better than PedroPascal in this movie.
Like I said, Hugh Jackman comparison and prisoners.
Brolin's the guy. You know, when I watch this, I'm
like, Brolin could have done what Affleck did in Batman.
Like where would the DCEU be if Josh Brolin was actually Batman?

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You know, aging? I think that would have been
interesting. Tangent continuing someone else
I really liked and I think you're about to bring him up to
Benedict Wong. Benedict Wong, he's so awesome
as an actor, right? And you have like the trailer,
you got his eyes popping out, him doing the V running, and you
see a gentle side here. And it makes it all the more

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surprising when you have like this explosion from the
character. He should be in more stuff.
Benedict Wong, He could play soft, he could play loud.
He is the man and you just root for him on screen.
He could do any type of movie. I'm a big Benedict Wong guy.
I think aside from the the character we are hiding from,

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you know, and talking about or maybe a couple Benedict Wong.
Probably the best of the ACT performances here.
Yes, I, I, I, I definitely thinkthe one that we can't talk about
is, is the best. But I think there's another
competitor that we haven't mentioned and it's the kid.

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OK, yes. But that's that's why I said 2
and I was kind of holding off a little bit because that's the
best parts of that performance is in the spoiler section.
Right, right. I'm not going to say anything,
but I think those two are in a league of their own, a tier of
their own, let's say. And then you have everyone else
who I thought are all good. Like I thought Julia Gardner was
good, good cast. I I think this was a good cast

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for her because like this is notthe guys.
What what's her Ruth? The Ruth and Ozark like that
extreme, but you still feel that, you know, you still feel
that presence with her and she'sjust a great, great actress.
Bitchy. She's.
Really good at playing bitchy dude.
Like she comes off as bitchy in this movie too.
Yeah, and again, just not as theextreme of a Ruth, but still

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really good. We're still really bitchy.
Bandolfish, I guess, is a betterterm.
Yeah, yeah. That's a good word.
Yeah, I think I agree with you on Brolin.
I think that was better than Pascal, but I could have seen
Pascal do this because it's basically the Last of Us.
But like, you know, so I can understand why like he was
originally cast as this so I could have seen it.

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But I do like Brolin better because I think he's more
controlled. So I think that worked really
well for someone that's trying to be a detective.
I I think it would I think this was better.
I agree with you on Benedict Wong.
I want him the more stuff I I don't want to just see him in
Doctor Strange. I know he's in three body
problem, but my God, I don't watch that.
I know a lot of people do, but Idon't know anybody that does.
But apparently Netflix tells us 1,1,000,000 people freaking

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watch the show. I don't know.
And then I wanted to mention oneother name, Alden Aaron rank.
I've mentioned it before. He is he had the weakest chapter
here, but it was effective. It was effective and this is a
Hail Caesar reunion by the way, him and Brolin.
I did like him in this and I think it's again, someone that
if you bought low as like after Solo, if you bought low, I think

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it's not going to be a huge growth, growth story here.
But I think he's earning his stripes back.
You know, in Hollywood, you know, he had the Netflix movie
that did really well. Forget it.
That's bad that I forget it. But he was really good in that
he had this. I think he's earning his stripes
back and he's going to be more stuff, which I like.
Is the erotic thriller. Yes, I I can't remember the name

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of it though. Playing I know what you're
talking about, but Ehrenreich I agree.
I don't want I don't want to hear any Alden Ehrenreich
slander after this movie. I like I know we said he had the
weakest chapter. I'm going to stop saying that
because I liked him in this movie.
He had like the most, I mean, I like it was his chapter was the
most serious, I think, you know,in terms of drama, in terms of

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kind of like I said, devoid of any type of humor or fun.
And then it got like serious andyou're addressing some like real
world type of thing in terms of like police like like body Cam
footage. I won't say that, but like
police, you know, abuse of powerand things like that.
So Aldenaire and Reich slander will not be tolerated this after

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Oppenheimer, his stock is up. Dude.
We're we will not say it's down.We will not say that it's down.
It is up right now. It's it's up.
It's just not like straight up, you know, it's like, you know,
still ascending sending. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's still
going up. Like Fair Play is the movie I
was thinking. Yeah, I got a new players in
that. Yeah, but 2023, like Cocaine

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Bear came out. He had a weird part in that.
I I that was not smart to do that movie.
But after that, when you have fair play, you have a good part
in Oppenheimer and you have thatlike final third act moment and
Best Picture winner Christopher Nolan movie, You're an Iron
Heart. That was also bad cast.
Like that was stupid decision too.
But again, he's not bad in that he did.

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That years ago. Yeah, right.
You, you, you. Yeah, exactly.
It was supposed to come out pre 2023 for God's sake.
So All in all, like this is thisis good for him.
And again, I I think his art like his chapter had some great
moments. It did like the moment in front
of the cop car. I got no spoilers.
Is is that was like my whole theater went like Oh, and like

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we all were laughing like it wasawesome.
Like it still was a great like chapter because this is a great
movie. Yeah, I, I agree with you.
Where else do we want to go? I, I, I want to get to spoilers,
but I let's just get some other things off our chest before we
get to spoilers. So I, I mentioned not as scary
as I anticipated, but still has thrills writing very good, tight

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script, this and very ambitious script, but it's not, it's not
absent from plot. It's not devoid of plot holes.
You know, it has a couple of nitpicks.
They're not One is a major nitpick that I will talk about
in spoilers. But in terms of like the writing
of the characters, the weaving of the characters, really
expertly done, and then having aclimax that everything funnels

(27:31):
to really good. But in terms of the story
itself, the explanation of the kids, I had some questions in
that third act 'cause it wasn't perfect.
This movie's not perfect. It is in amazingly entertaining
and you kind of forget all that sometimes, but some things are
really obvious and glaring that we'll get to a spoilers.

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But I thought nitpick wise, likemost horror movies, it's not
perfect. Nothing's cliche, but things are
worked around a little bit in this movie.
Yeah, there's definitely some like plot holes, you know,
there's one major. One that I need to talk to you.
And like a couple things that are just like, oh, that's just a
horror movie. You know, that's a fantastic
element. And it's like, oh, like this

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movie was pretty grounded, but then it gets crazy.
But again, it also is crazy. Like off the log line, 217 kids
just in one classroom just walk out of their homes like it, it
is a horror movie. So I am willing to like bypass
some of them. I thought there was.
Also, when there's constant comparisons with Magnolia,

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you're always looking for, OK, what's the frogs falling out of
the sky like? What is that moment here?
And I think there's a couple moments you can say are kind of
reminiscent of that. There was one confusing visual
that might have been. I might have just, I thought it
was the most obvious thing of all time, what Zach Krieger was
trying to say. It was during the Josh Brolin
chapter. It was like a visual during a

(28:58):
dreamlike sequence. We'll talk about with spoilers.
But for me, I'm like, this is all like what we were thinking.
And if it's as obvious as I think, like, you didn't have to
include that imagery, you know, it was jarring to see.
It kind of was like that frogs falling out of the sky, you
know, moment in Magnolia. But I thought, like, you didn't
even need to include that scene.A lot of people are complaining

(29:20):
that this movie doesn't have much to say.
In that case, who cares? Like, did you have a good time
watching the movie? I think that's priority number
one. But in this genre, you know, it
feels like with people like Jordan Peele, every one of his
movies has something to say, youknow, has a specific message
that is trying to send about society, problems with society,

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ways that we haven't, you know, I guess matured or adapted as a
society. Ryan Cooler just had Sinners had
a lot to say about culture and things like that.
It seems like people are lookingfor something larger to say.
This one I thought also had stuff to say but just didn't
focus on one thing. I just thought it was
entertaining. I think it did.
What a movie of this type is supposed to do.
Like you. I don't know about you.

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Like, I feel like that sequence,that imaginary thing felt like,
yeah, this is what we're all thinking.
You just didn't have to do it. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, and there's another Julia Gardner's character in the 1st
chapter as well. I agree, I agree.
I just, I do think there are themes in this, but they're just
kind of underneath because in the structure of this movie with

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the chapters and then literally the chapters names are the
characters names. Again, those spoilers.
So it's telling you this is going to be character driven
like I've been saying five timeson this podcast.
So the themes kind of get layered underneath it.
Yeah. So and also the premise itself,
you're so you're so enticed withthe mystery and you're like,
what happened to these kids? So you kind of forget like some

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of these underlying themes. But I do think they're there.
It's just not obvious. That's slap in your face, you
know. Yeah, and that's good.
Like, like a job of a movie. Like I, I get it, you have, it's
a piece of art and you have a message to send.
But was it fun to watch? You know, that is #1 if you're
making a summer blockbuster, your sophomore movie, you want

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to say like Barbarian is a fun ass movie?
Dude, that's a fun ass movie. And they have this as the follow
up. I don't think he could have done
much better. Do you want to do scores after
spoilers? Sure.
OK, so let's get to spoilers spoiler section.
You've been warned. If you want to skip ahead to our

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thoughts on together, you can dothat and just look at the
episode, look at the time stamp.But here, spoilers for weapons.
Where do we start? I think we start with
performances and we go to a couple performers that we have
straight away from because they are basically showcasing the
best parts of their performance in the final chapter, you know?

(31:54):
So let's get to it. First off, the villain of this
movie, when I noticed which actor this was underneath the
makeup, underneath the wig, I flip the out.
I was like, look at all these actors here, look at Josh
Brolin. All of a sudden you have Carey
Mulligan showing up. You know, you have up, you have

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Emmy winner Julia Garner, you have Alden Ehrenreich, Benedict
Wong. It seems like, Oh my God, it's
our favorite movie and TV star or movie and TV stars.
Maybe not like the most like enticing leading actors, but
like we all know who they are. Here comes the big bad of the
movie, the actual witch of the movie.
And it's no other than Amy Madigan.

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And I knew her name, but that's because I have pressed the info
button on my Comcast channel every time Field of Dreams has
come on. Field of Dreams is what I think
of when I see this actress Rickyflicks.
Do you know much about Amy Madigan aside from what she's
done in terms of weapons recently?
I I think it feel the dreams. I think it filled the dreams.

(32:59):
Uncle Buck yes. So yeah, like you're thinking
late 80s, early 90s like you're I I I can go gone be gone.
She's in O 7. So I can't make a movie though
that she's been in in the past 10 years that I can think of the
top of my head. I can't.
And when I realized it was her I, that was probably my biggest

(33:19):
jump scare. I was like, what?
Like that was probably the biggest jump I had in the whole.
Movie and she had the best jump scare when Brolin went down in
that basement too. Yes, Oh my, Oh my.
God, but he's looking for his kid and she's waiting for him.
I'm like, Oh my God, this movie's kicking it up.
Kicking it up another gear. Yeah, and you mentioned Carey
Morgan. She was the wife.

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Was she the wife? I'm pretty sure.
She it looked like her but like.She was frozen.
She was frozen by the Carrie, the Amy Madigan character.
Right. I thought that was ah, God,
what's her name? I, I, I didn't think it was
Carrie Mulligan. I always confused Carrie.
Mulligan. On that too.

(34:01):
I always I always think I was confused Carrie Mulligan with
what's her name, Michelle Williams?
I confused those too, but I'm pretty sure that was Carrie
Mulligan. Dude, you need to Google this to
make sure I'm right or wrong. OK, who plays the mother of Alex
and Weapons? In the movie Weapons, Alex's
mother is played by Cali Shutara.

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That was not that wasn't Carey Mulligan.
No, didn't. Oh my God I thought maybe I
sound now but or I sound stupid now but.
Yeah, this Kelly, I knew I recognized her from something.
So I just, I'm trying to think like I'm going through IMDb
right now. Let's see, what has she been in
that I we know her from because she does look familiar.

(34:45):
She's she's a doppelganger. Does she not look like Carey
Mulligan? Oh, she does.
She also looks like Rachel McAdams.
I don't I don't. I didn't see nothing on her IMDb
like we. Can't get hung up on her.
Yeah, we can't get hung up on her.
She like she had. She had nothing to do in this
movie. You probably can stab herself in

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the face. That was absolutely bananas too.
But Amy Madigan, this performance, the fact that it
came so out of left field, out of nowhere, and also doesn't
line up with anything I've seen from this actor.
It reminded me of Bring Her Backwith Sally Hawkins and how
vibrant this character dressed. It reminded me of Hawkins, how

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like I guess odd and how loud this character is, especially
with like this. Depressing dull environment and
she sticks out like a sore throat sore thumb.
I I just reminded me so much of that and also the pure evilness
of the character the way she attacks children and targets

(35:48):
children also similar to Sally Hawkins and bring her back.
I just kept coming back to that and I think this performance, it
came out of left field too, because it's it's kind of teased
in like 2 of the three, two of the final three chapters and
then absolutely steals the show alongside Alex, the style
performance in this movie. But I thought she was

(36:09):
unbelievable. Anything to add about the
villain here? This is like what horror does
like I that I love where you don't know someone's in the
movie, right and they end up being like the main part of the
movie. You know, like you said, bring
her bag happened there with Sally Hawkins, his character.
I didn't even know Sally Hawkinswas in that movie.
And then she ends up being an unbelievable part of that movie.

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And that's the same thing here. And this one I mentioned
Pennywise earlier, like there's we're in spoilers.
So we've seen the movie, everyone listening, the wave in
the character chapter with the drug kid, with the guy from
Euphoria and yeah, the wave. I was like, Oh my God, like this
is crazy. And I was like, this is going to
be like some crazy jump scares happening after that.

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And we got him, we got him in this third act.
Unbelievable performance. This was cuz like she did it
with the makeup, without the makeup, tense jump scares, just
regular, just like trying to be a mom.
Like it was, it was crazy. It was, it was a full blown
performance. I'm like 30 minutes.
The the kid, by the way, the teenager or the kid in his early
20s? Also an amazing performance.

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Like I think that's someone alsowe'll have to keep on our
radars. Austin Abrams, you mentioned
he's in Euphoria. He plays James.
James had it all in his chapter too, you know, and he had more
laughs than any other one. I think that's based on the
performance based on, you know, the, the, the homelessness, you
know, of that character and the rivalry between him and Alden

(37:38):
Ehrenreich. His chapter I thought was
awesome too. The only one really chapter wise
that was lackluster was Alden Ehrenreich, just because the
other ones were that goddamn good and had so much to pack in
terms of comedy and thrills. But Austin Abrams, great.
Amy Madigan, though, just out ofnowhere, out of nowhere, you
know, it's just like this is such a huge movie for the summer

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and Amy Madigan stole the show. And you know what it's going to
be coming out of this movie. There's such a huge ensemble
here, and this is going to be one of the one of the highest
grossing original movies of the year alongside Sinners.
It's elevated horror genres morerecognized during award season.
Now if I see one person get nominated for this, it's Amy
Madigan as Gladys in this movie.Is that crazy to say?

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Maybe. Is it Ricky?
You tell me. So it's going to be like the
Sally Hawkins, like they will not get nominated at the Oscars
first of. All dude, I don't know.
This is a little later on in theyear.
If it's like people are comparing this to sinners, I
don't know. I don't know, man, I, I think
this fall season, there's a lot of Oscar Beatty type of
performances coming. There's a lot coming.

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So like, yeah, I'm not going to hold my breath for that, but I
would love it. I would love it.
But that's but like I said, horror does the best.
And just shifting gears for a second to the kid, Kerry
Christopher. Holy crap, this kid was
unbelievable. Too similar to bring her back.
This is a unreal child performance.
We are getting some all time child performances this year.

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This was crazy. Like this kid was awesome in
this. I wouldn't say he's going to
bring her back, but he was greatand he's going to be in the
Spider Man Noir show. This kid is better than to bring
her back, you would say. So, yeah, definitely.
I wasn't a huge fan of those performances, to be honest.
You know, I think that this kid was awesome.
No, this kid like like kid and bring her back.
That's like. The blind one.

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That's what I'm talking about. No, Oh yeah, that was pretty
good. I'm still taking Alex because
like that that this whole last chapter was on this kids
shoulders, you know, and it's the huge reveal.
I guess the like the the structure of the story and like
and the Amy Madigan kind of likeI guess two handing this final

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chapter helps. But man, I felt bad for this
kid, Alex man, for when he's getting bullied before having
him witness like the pain his parents are going through having
to witness his his classmates get stuck inside of his basement
by this evil witch and he can't do anything about it or else his
parents are going to die like that that kid.

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And you get like the silence of the kid and like.
Kind of like this kid, just likeI didn't like to have, like the,
I guess satisfactory him to helptake down Amy Madigan at the
end. That's where it felt like, like,
yeah, summer blockbuster movie, You know, that the fact that he
didn't have a tragic ending likeso many other horror movies

(40:35):
would have or like elevated horror movies would have makes
me love this movie so much. But I think this kid was so easy
to root for, too. Looks so easy.
Yeah, like that's another part where, like, I guess in the log
line it says one kid survived. But I thought the going into the
movie, I thought the entire class left at 2:17 and walked
out of their homes. I didn't know there was going to
be a kid. So I kind of narrowed down,

(40:55):
like, all right, this kid's obviously at the center of like
how this happened, but clearly this kid is already on
Hollywood's radar because he wasin Days of Our Lives, so
whatever. But after that, he's doing this,
he's going to be in Jonah Hill'snext movie with Keanu Reeves and
Matt Bomer. So that's like outcome that's

(41:16):
going that's like crazy. And he's also, I mentioned
Spider Man Noir, the TV show coming out and then the Lanterns
show like this. So this kid's on everyone's
radar. Hell yeah.
Yeah. This kid might be the chosen 1.
He might be the chosen one. Yeah, he was amazing.
Austin Abrams already talked about him a little bit more.
His James I thought was great when he stabbed Alden Reich in

(41:38):
the face. Amazing scene.
Yeah. So where else do we want to go?
I think other things spoiler wise that we have to talk about,
talked about, you know, Magnoliafrogs coming out of the sky
here. You get like a Josh Brolin, you
know, chapter and his character Archer.
He has like a dream when he's sleeping in his child, in his

(41:59):
kids bed and he goes out and to find his kid.
He sees in this vision that he'srunning away with the V, you
know, very creepy. And then he follows them into
his own house. But above his house, he sees
this huge like gun, this huge. What's an automatic rifle, you

(42:20):
know, and it has 217 on the gun.Just like the time they left
this, this is the thing that I found like unnecessary.
It's like we already are thinking about this this town
who's the grieving, the loss of their kids, you know, so many
kids that have left, like literally all but one kid.
It like obviously we already hadthe school shooter type of
vibes, you know, like school shooting type of vibes.

(42:41):
I should say you didn't need to have that gun there, but it felt
like you wanted some insane dreamlike visual, you know?
Craiger, I thought, was kind of doing too much there.
Yeah, I agree. And the Julia Garner dreamlike
sequence there, like I thought it was a little much.
I agree. And it's like in horror movies
like this where you have like a witch and like demon shit going

(43:02):
on. Like I like how they explain
like these kids, like they like you could have done this movie
without explaining like at the end.
I was kind of expecting at the beginning this movie with that
because again, we didn't know Amy Madigan was in this movie.
I was kind of expecting, expecting after that opening
narration of like 2 years later,we still don't know how it
happened. I was like, they're not going to
give us an answer, are they? So I'm happy we got an answer.

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Now, am I thrilled with some of the weird, like, plot holes that
within this character? No.
But like, I'd rather have the answer than an other horror
movies. Like shit happens and like we
just say, oh, it's a horror movie here.
Like we kind of get an explanation, which I like.
Yeah, the plot hole thing, there's a couple.
There's a couple here. One, when the cops go to

(43:49):
investigate Alex's house and theaunts live in their Gladys is
there. The two parents are out of
Commission courtesy of Gladys and her witch ass shit.
When the cops come and she has the kids leave, where did they
go? Where did the kids go?
They went in the shed. They were in the shed.
They were in a shed. Which shed did they show them

(44:12):
going in the shed? It did.
Where was that shed? I thought it was on the premises
of the house which is my plot hole.
Why would you not? Check it all all around the
house. If they went into a shed inside
of like their, that area, like inside of their, their
territory, whatever their land, how do you not check that?

(44:33):
Then Like to me, it's like you have to like do a little bit
more. I thought that was like, OK, now
I feel like it's stretching a little bit where everything else
like you, you, you have to get them out of the house.
But that's where it's like, it felt like Craiger is like, I got
to think of something, have themgo to the shed that's in the
house, but the cops don't check it.
That's that's pretty. You know, it's bullshit.

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I agree, and that's where I think one thing this movie
needed was, like I said off the in the spoiler free was the
detective you I think all the air was a good character, but I
feel like if you replace that with the actual detective,
right, instead of Josh Brolin, like like Brolin's character, he
focused on like wherever they were running to, like where were
they going? It's pretty easy to find out.
Like he literally drew. An ex.

(45:14):
He's like. They're there.
And then Julia. Gardner's like, yeah, they kind
of made a huge leap at the end, like Julia Gardner's like, oh,
that's Alex's house. How do the cops not think of
this like they're? Running, That's what I mean,
that's why you needed the detective here because like,
like I said, I knew in the 1st 30 seconds when I was like, Oh
crap, there's only one kid that survived this.
I'm like, well, he's obviously the key piece here and finding

(45:35):
these kids, right? So that we needed a detective to
kind of like tell us like that the entire time, you know,
because Julia Gardner's, she waslike so focused, like she was
kind of taking that because likeshe goes to the house, she's
like following him home from school, peeking in the window.
But like it wasn't enough. It was definitely not enough.

(45:56):
We needed the all the character to be detected to kind of say 17
kids are missing and there's there's only one logical like
situation here or like key piecethat we could be looking at.
They wouldn't be like the Benedict one wouldn't be
dismissing like, oh, I don't think like it.
The kid that didn't do with it. He died.
He did like it was obvious. Yeah, exactly that.

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That was my huge issue where he was like he he was telling the
Julia Garner character on the phone when she was in the car,
like don't pry into the business.
I'm like, that's like the other person that can kind of absolve
her potentially is find out what's going on with Alex and
the fact that she's the one always approaching him.
You could have easily broke thatkid.
You know, the fact that he kept this secret for all this time
obviously shows like how much love he has for his parents and

(46:40):
everything, but also he's a kid.Like he's elementary school kid.
Like he's going to tell you eventually.
You know they can't hide this shit that that kind of pissed me
off too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I I. Agree keeping that secret.
Yeah, I I agree with that. But I'll I'll believe that one
because like you got to do something there to have a story.
I'll believe that one. But I, I think you instead of

(47:00):
like doing like the like if you did the detective, you can kind
of bounce around between the detective like going to the kids
house and Julia Gardner's house because you know, one of them is
going to be the key piece of whythese kids are missing, you
know. So if you have that, that kind
of helps us like with this conversation, like we wouldn't
be having this as much. The Aaron Ryke character too.

(47:21):
Another thing. I was like, what are you doing,
man? Like, these kids have been
missing for a substantial amountof time and it's all the town is
talking about. It's all the news is talking
about. And you have this guy who brings
you to this house where these kids are kept.
And you don't call anybody aboutthis.
You don't tell the police station that the kids are
potentially in this house that you have.

(47:42):
This job. And he's not because of.
Because of what? Because of him taking the guy
in. Yeah.
OK, so I guess they went around that.
But if the kids are actually there, Oh my God.
And which they were, I get it. I, I guess that's, that's kind
of a closed, that's a closed hole, you know?
Yeah, that one, that one, I was like, I thought the same thing.
Like if you like, he definitely went in there because he's like

(48:05):
didn't want to like call for backup.
And then it was just a House of the only survivor that is
probably grieving right now still only a month later.
Like you probably don't want to be like bringing up any other
like bad things related to this,like accusations or anything,
right? So that's why you go in yourself
and then you call for backup after.
But obviously he didn't think ofwhich was in there that would

(48:25):
cast him under his spell. And then obviously his brain
gets blown off. And, and the, that chapter with
the James, you know, the, the the drug addict, it was great to
watch this type of storytelling where you know, he's being
hunted by on Alden Ehrenreich inthe previous chapter, you know,
before it cuts to James and his story.

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And when he's like I told you not to come around here and you
find out why he's around there is to talk and bring like this
news to the police, potentially earn this reward to find out
where these kids are. You know, it's like that.
It's almost like, no, no, don't do it.
Like you're screaming at the at the at the screen, even though
you already know he's chasing him.

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You know it was that way. That's why like the script
worked really well. It keeps you on the edge of your
seat. Now you're like, I got to find
out what happens next. Very, very smart in my opinion.
Where else do we go, Ricky fucks?
Anything else spoiler wise or plot holes that you want to talk
about? I I thought the not not like
necessarily spoilers, but I thought the music was really

(49:28):
good. It cut out really smartly, I
think intelligently in a couple.Of points really, really sharp.
I really like that I liked how like again, this is over a
course of a month, but like it felt pretty quick, you know,
like I, I, I thought like, oh like they focus on a few days
here again with the pacing and the chapters.

(49:49):
I thought that was really, really well done too.
So I'll say that as well. Last thing they said two years
ago in the beginning, OK, like in the opening narration, I'm
like, crap, are we? Fast forward in two years, I got
nervous. Yeah.
So then, but then at the end when they show like the Josh
Brolin carrying his kid home, right.

(50:11):
By the way, I also had problems with that.
He'd be calling the police rightaway.
Like whatever, but whatever. Of course, Brolin's kid was the
bully, by the way. Yeah, he's right, right, Right.
But so again, because Zach Cragger said he has an idea for
a sequel and I was like, damn, like how?
How do you do sequel? Like you do like a pre like a
prequel type of thing like with the witch or like.

(50:34):
How? Do you how do you do that, you
know, or how do these kids like try to get them right, you know,
like how how do we tackle sequelhere?
Interesting because you can't doGladys unless it's like some
type of way she lives on or maybe one of the kids hasn't
snapped out of it. Black phones doing that.
Yeah, I, I feel like you let this one be.

(50:55):
You got to let this one be. Unless one of the kids, like,
carried something over. Maybe do something with Alex,
maybe something with the parents.
It could be an Alex story, honestly, 'cause he's the one
who cut his finger, snapped it, put it into the water.
You could have something that carries over there potentially.
I don't think they should make asequel to this, so I'll leave it

(51:17):
be. Yeah, that's it.
I, I'm always in that camp, especially with Craig, are
already doing Resident Evil, which is more of an origin type
of or like a sorry original typeof movie, not really connected
to the previous ones and not connected to the IP.
It's more of just the, the, the idea and taking the name He's
doing that. He has, he says he has that idea

(51:37):
for the DC Gotham thing. He has a sci-fi original movie
that he wrote. So he already has three major
things coming up. So doing a sequel to this,
something that I think right nowis being highly regarded and
some would say the best movie ofthe year so far, then yeah, I
think you leave this be. Just like sinners, like people
wanted a sequel to that. They still might get it, but

(52:00):
like I think everyone knows likethe probably the the smart thing
to do is leave it be. It's not like I mean Zach
Cragger's guys, he's Resident Evil.
He potentially can make ADC movie coming up.
I think he wants to leave this one.
You know, you have other things,other fish to fry unless you
feel super passionate about it and really thinks that this
could lead in a meaningful direction.
That's when you make the movie right now.
You got other shit that people want to see.

(52:21):
You know, be that guy who just makes interesting movies that
people are lining up to go, you know, every original story like
a Jordan Peele, you know, like acougar.
Now become one of those guys. Speaking of sinners, let's have
this conversation. Two, I guess, most critically
acclaimed horror movies of the year.

(52:42):
Two of the most critically acclaimed movies in general of
the year. Both being celebrated for
original storytelling, both withtwo promising young directors.
I'm having a hard time deciding which movie is better.
I'm having a real hard time 'cause I think of like this
movie. These movies are similar in
terms of great ensembles, you know, seems like they're

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expertly directed. The scripts are good, you know,
they are great and their entertainment factor, music,
obviously you want to lean Sinners and the way I think the
movie shot, I would lean Sinners.
But in terms of entertainment value, I think I'd go Weapons,
you know, so that's why I feel like these movies kind of

(53:24):
balance each other out. It's like picking between your
favorite kids. I think first instinct I'm going
to say Sinners is better than Weapons, but I had an even more
fun time watching Weapons. Yeah, I think you broke it down
really well there. I also say they're both
ambitious. That's also like the degree of
difficulty and like it's interesting because Coogler,

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he's doing an original story forthe first time.
Craiger, he's trying to follow up Barbarian and like they went
for like they they went the difficult route.
They didn't do like they didn't adapt the Stephen King movie
like the Stephen King book, you know, or didn't go from one of
his many stories. They decided, no, I we are
going, I'm like the show's expert with the pen.

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You know, obviously they how they direct movies.
Degree of difficulty high for such young directors is
impressive. Yeah.
And again, great movie theater experiences.
And then when you're walking outof theater, you just want to be
like the next person. Like, wow, that was great, huh?
Like bro, your shit's being likebefore it's even coming out,
people are saying it's Magnolia,you know, think of like great

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young directors like Magnolia happened such or like the third
movie I think were PTA after Boogie Nights.
That's another conversation we could have best sophomore
movies, you know, 4 directors and I, I wrote down a couple
more than a couple because there's a lot of great sophomore
movies. I almost have to narrow it down
to horror, but yeah, it's just the fact that you made this

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script as your second movie. Shit could have gone wrong.
Shit could have gone wrong, but you knew it was fire, that
Jordan Peele wanted this shit. You know, see what Monkey Paul
is doing. You think you see the HIM movie
that's coming out, the football movie that has a ton of buzz
right now. Another original story.
I just thought it was kind of ballsy for Zach Cragger to do
this. Freaking Miss March coming out

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of nowhere and directing to one amazing horror movie. 1 Pretty
damn good. Yeah, yes, yes, for sure.
I I I would lean sinners just tonot to be a burden of the moment
type of guy right now for weapons.
But I do want to agree with you where I do think I enjoyed
weapons better just because I that's more my vibe.

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The psychological thriller is mytype of genre, and I think this
leans more that than the horror,even though the horror aspects
to this weren't there's some gnarly like shit in here, like
that third act in the final likewell, again, this is spoilers
when they're yeah, Benedict Wong.
There was some gnarly shit for sure, But my favorite parts is
like my favorite things in movies, which is the

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psychological thriller aspects, mystery, suspense, and I thought
it was amazing. It it was like up there with
some of the best, like psychological throws up there or
yeah. When I saw Sinners again, I I
liked it more and because the first time I watched it, my huge
fall was that like, I didn't understand what, what vampire
movie tropes were. And I I'd like it led to like
those awkward scenes where they're not getting invited in.

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And I thought it was stalling the movie a little bit.
I think when that Asian character yells for them to come
in, I'm like, what a stupid thing to do, you know, I just
thought that was kind of that didn't work too well.
But the vampire tropes, I get itnow, you know, I get it.
I still think the Asian woman woman yelling for them to come
in was dumb, you know, but everyone of these horror movies,

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they're going to have some type of writing where let's get to
the point. We have to move the story along
and sometimes you forgive it. You did do that in this one as
well. Like the kid, Alex, he's the one
that breaks the stick at the end.
And he was like, oh, could he actually do the same thing as a
witch? Like, you could like, make that
argument. You could.
There's a couple of like the kids.
You could like, we talked about a couple of nitpicks.

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There's stuff in this movie too,right?
It's just like, I'm less of a vampire guy.
Yeah. I think that's why like I would
lean weapons and just because I'm less of a vampire guy, This
is more my speed or more of my favorite thing.
And also I I I just saw it. I just saw it so.
I again I felt better leaving weapons and sinners.

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I did too and also like it was it was unreal together, like at
the movie theater, like it was apacked house and we were
throughout the movie. I I did remind myself of Get
out. It wasn't as good as the movie
theater experiences. Get out.
That's an all time number, like 11 probably for me, but this one
was similar. Like we're all laughing
together. We're all like jumping out of
our seats together. We're all doing the oohs and ahs

(57:39):
together. It was an I saw this in Dolby
too. So like the sound was great or
the lack of sound at times was unbelievable.
It was like when, like I mentioned the when you first saw
Gladys, everyone's like, oh, oh,like it was all it was awesome.
Like sinners had those moments too, but not as much as this.
I'm with you, I'm with you. And this one was scarier.

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So you're talking about what's abetter horror movie?
What happens to us, you know better just structure of a movie
maybe has more to say sinners, but the structure of this one
was amazing too. I shouldn't say that at all.
The structure is better for thismovie if you want to go like.
Back to the themes argument then.
Like obviously sinners. Takes a cage.
And then some, but like, again, more to say, I think was a good
way to put it. But I do think both were

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ambitious and they lived up to the hype.
You know, that's why, like original movies, Warner Brothers
investing in directors are all tours that like Warner Brothers,
stock up right now. I'm also thinking of best
sophomore movies, like for a young director, it at this point
when you look back at history, it's impossible to put this in

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the upper echelon of best sophomore movies.
So I made a list and I would sayit's up there for greatest maybe
horror, you know, filmmaker sophomore movie.
And it might be easier if you just look at the sophomore
movies of, you know, the modern day young film makers.
Look how they did like Jordan Peele did us.

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This is better than us in my opinion.
You know, Oscar Perkins had the monkey.
This is not like the monkey's not even literally.
It's planets away arguable universe away from this movie,
but the greatest ones of all time.
It's just like we talk about Magnolia PTA.
His second movie is Boogie Nights, you know, and that's

(59:25):
like just the tip of the iceberg.
Like Quentin Tarantino obviouslyprobably has the best pulp.
Pulp Fiction is the greatest sophomore movie maybe ever made.
Just changed how like this once again, two huge influences like
QT probably and PTA here the Matrix, which is arguably the
greatest sci-fi movie ever made.Plenty of people who argue this

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in 2001 blah blah blah. It's hard to beat that for the
Wachowskis terms of modern day. Like also looking at Jordan
Peele, Chazelle whiplash. I think I take I'm that's a
conversation to be had. I think whiplash bangs.
It has an like one of the best endings.
I think of a movie in 21st century.
But I think weapons rivals whiplash 7 with Fincher.

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Well, go ahead. Sorry, whiplash was the first
while the land was the second, no?
Oh, you're. Right, 14/20/16.
Yeah, 'cause. So you would be saying La La
land for Giselle which? Probably.
Like Lost the moonlight for bestpicture, but was the
presumptive. Set right.
Oh, I made a mistake then. Whiplash.
Yeah, that was bad research 'cause I know that was a college

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film that he made that he turnedinto his first feature.
Exactly. Gotcha.
No good call. Scorsese had mean streets.
I think it was the second movie.It's hard to.
You can't even like American Graffiti.
Memento Alien. Jaws.
Yeah, Jaws, Was that a second? Yeah, Sugar Land Express was his
first, I believe. OK, so it's like you can't even.
You can't even. Those are just such hallowed

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ground. And they have the Father Time is
actually on their side. Yes, you know.
Wonderfully like, I cannot wait to see Jaws in theaters later
this month. Yes, Oh my God, we have to do
that. We have to do a throwback review
for sure, 50th anniversary. But I would say in terms of
modern day film makers, you can't really do a better
sophomore movie, you know, And I'll say it's better than Peels,

(01:01:13):
it's better than Oz Perkins. And then you had The Lighthouse
with Eggers. Was that his second movie after
The Witch? So yeah, the witch was his
first, right? So.
So entertainment factor, I'm taking weapons, but that's this
is another conversation where what's the better movie?
Yeah, what's the better film? Yeah, Film Capital F OK, let's
do some scores here before we talk a little bit about

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together. Ricky Flex, What do you give
weapons? This is like similar to sinners.
It's like we've been hyping likewe've been hyping this movie up
so much right now, like before the movie and after.
And it's like I want to give it a really high score, but I want
to give myself room with upside.So similar to sinners, I'm I'm
going to keep keep some room. I'm going 9292 for weapons.

(01:02:00):
I want to know what I gave sinners.
I don't remember what I gave. Do you have?
You been logging it? Yes, but I don't really.
I tried to log yours. Let me just see here.
That movie came on April, right?Yeah.
April. You gave it a 95.
I got to give this a 95 then. Yeah, I, I I gave sinners an 80.
9 No 9494 for weapons. Yeah, I, I, I wish I gave

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sinners like A-922-II. Yeah, I would say they're equal,
just in different ways. I'm going to go 94 for weapons
and that does it for our spoilersection and our review for Zack
Krieger's second film. I do want to talk about one
thing. Was Zack Krieger just as a
sequel here to our conversation he's doing Resident Evil but

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something came across the timeline over the weekend that
he has written ADC film that he has not spoken to James Gunn
about and he titled it Hench Men.
It's going to follow a low levelhenchman and Gotham who manages
to incapacitate Batman. Harley Quinn and Joker have been

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written for roles in the story. Let's just start here Ricky
Flex. Do you think this movie actually
will happen? So let.
Me just get this straight, who would be the main character in
this? It would be probably the
henchman, the title character. But the Joker would be a
significant part in this. They the Harley and Joker would

(01:03:35):
be in the movie but not probablythe main I guess antagonist of
the movie that could be made. I'm just.
Thinking you might need juice. If you're not going to do Batman
and Gotham, you got to have the Joker.
You got to have one of the two for this for Gotham, right?
Or else you're just not going tohave enough, I think.
And Batman's incapacitated. He's not really in the movie,

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you know, So you need the Joker element or the Harley element or
another villain in in in for Batman.
Yes, I just think if you're going to include Joker, he's got
to be your guy. You can't just have like a like
Suicide Squad Joker these sorry,no Suicide Squad Joker like 2016
where like Jared Leto's like in the movie, but not like I think
you got to go full in Joker or no.

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And I think it's the right time to do it because like this
probably won't get made probablytill it won't release till like
2029 and that'll be enough time has passed since Joaquin
Phoenix's Joker, Joker 2 fully do right.
And then we'll probably get yourbare Kiogan Joker in some
capacity in the Batman Part 2 orwe don't.
And then you this will fill in that time gap.

(01:04:40):
But he won't. You're right.
So I'm thinking like this would work and in ADC Elseworlds
project again I talk about Warner Brothers and DC
specifically original movies, all tour directors, all tour
driven projects. I think this could happen.
I think this more is a meeting for Matt Reeves to take and then
report to James Gunn rather thanjust James Gunn hearing about it

(01:05:03):
because there's so many other Batman stories without Batman
that are in development for the DCU.
They have like Bane and Deathstroke movie.
You have Clayface coming out. I, I, I feel like they just need
to have a Batman that's not incapacitated, that's alive and
well before like they would makethis movie.
But we've already seen how Elseworlds is working out with

(01:05:24):
The Batman franchise. Zach Cregger really good with
elevated horror. He would be a good compliment
potentially for a Matt Reeves. Matt Reeves can work on the
script with them. You have the Joker that has been
introduced in The Batman with Barry Kogan.
Like you said. I think I would prefer this
story to be actually in that world, you know, the Batman

(01:05:46):
world rather than the DCU. If you were to have it in the
DCU, you could have a replacement of Joker and Harley
Quinn in the story, like just make a different villain.
But Zach Craigor writing this, he probably had a blast writing
Joker and Harley Quinn, you know?
So I feel like maybe you could just subtract Harley Quinn, put

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Joker in the story. Maybe it's Barry Kyogan, maybe a
Pattinson somehow incapacitated.However that may look in the
movie. This could be I think a cool
everyone's looking at like TV shows to be a part of the Batman
world. You saw the success of the
Penguin or if there's actually amovie that was also inside the
world of the Batman, make it more even more expansive.

(01:06:28):
But also tell them unorthodox type of comic book movie like
story. I think James Gunn would dig
that shit and he loves great film makers trying to bring
their own ideas in their own passion to it.
Give me this movie in the DC in the Batman universe.
Yeah, see, I guess that's where like, I'm not even going to put
my mind in that. I'm not going to like get my
hopes up for that. I I think Gregor, like, look,

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he's a original filmmaker where like I know like he's doing
Resident Evil, but like I said earlier, he's not like that's
that's going to be a basically aoriginal movie.
Just the title is the same. And like obviously like the
premise is going to be similar, but like he's like not bringing
over it any of the characters from the video game or whatnot.
Like it's all new characters. And I feel like for this he'll
probably do something similar except with your big boys, but

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he's probably wants to do something original and being in
a universe, I don't think that flies with that.
You'll have to cater to the universe.
That's why if you do an Elseworlds project where this is
a one off movie, you have some of these characters and you have
some of that lore. But he could do whatever he
wants. And I think a Joker aspect with
Craigor horror elements would besick.

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It's when you do the Elseworld thing and you have someone else
wearing a Batman suit, someone else playing Joker, someone else
playing Harley Quinn. It's going to be whether people
are going to be analyzing those performances but are going to be
like, are we going to see them again?
You know that's the problem. With elseworlds in general
though. And so I think what you need to
do is really have Batman barely say a word in this movie if you

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really want it to work. And you have to really establish
that this is not either the two Gotham cities that are around,
which is obviously builds confusion, you know, and all
that stuff. Or potentially for like people
that aren't as ingrained in the culture.
It also when I think of like theDCU, they're looking to like
incorporate some storylines likethe Clayface movie.

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This episode from the Batman theAnimated Series show.
Like there is a episode of Batman the Animated Series that
has someone that incapacitates Batman that's like this guy in a
suit and glasses and Joker and Harley are in that episode.
It might have been just Joker. I think it's Joker and Harley,
but it was the man who killed Batman was the name of the

(01:08:41):
episode. So you don't have to have you
just got to make sure you don't use Batman really at all.
And you can't care who's in the mask.
You just got to like give them one scene at the end, show him,
you know Batman get knocked overthe head or whatever the Frick
happens as he's like saving somebody or trying to stop some
type of crime. Else worlds is tough.

(01:09:03):
It's tough, but if Zack Rigor wants to do it, James Gunn's
going to cater probably to like getting the script done.
I've never seen it where this guy says it out loud before
talking to James Gunn, and I believe it will happen.
I usually would never believe the script would happen, but
because of weapons I think it will.
He has the power to, I think I tweeted it like he has free
reign right now. Like, like you thought like

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after Barbarian in the script and you're hearing about this
bidding war and Jordan Peele andwhat not, and Warner Brothers
and new lines, the cinema, Warner Brothers wins this
bidding war. It's like, holy shit, like this
is insane. This guy hasn't even done more
than one film. And like you're bidding $40
million for this thing and then you have to put in $40 million
for your budget. Like I didn't say, but then look

(01:09:46):
at it now. It paid off, you know.
So Warner Brothers takes bets onoriginal film makers, you know,
all tours. And I think they will again
here. And James Gunn, literally why he
was hired is for that reason. I think he'll take the bet.
Correct me if my if I'm wrong, Jack Craiger said this is his
favorite script he's ever written.

(01:10:08):
I think he wrote. I think he's talking about his
next sci-fi movie. That's what he said.
His favorite. Script.
I thought I saw something where he said this DC script is his
favorite. Oh, is it?
But if I'm wrong, obviously I'm going to make a note right now
if that's right or wrong. But I swear that he might have
had that quote. It's his favorite script.
And if he just had the script that he had with weapons and

(01:10:29):
then he can do ADC movie, James Gunn is probably licking his
chops. Let's just check really quick.
Yeah, So Zach's. Yeah, no, you're right, he said.
Unproduced DC Universe film, henchman, Batman and Jason.
Story. Story.
Low level. Yeah, Yeah, you're right.
You got, you got it. He said it's his favorite
script. Yes.

(01:10:50):
Interesting. OK, does it for a Zach Cregger
conversation. Let's talk a little bit about
together. We don't have to make it as
formal of a review as we just had with weapons together.
Dave Franco, Allison Brie married in real life, engaged or
I guess boyfriend and girlfriendin this movie together.

(01:11:10):
A movie that really high in Rotten Tomatoes 90%.
I think I had a lot of hype going into it.
People are talking about the body horror Riggy flicks.
You saw it together, correct? 11 O clock Wednesday night. 11 O
clock Wednesday night. Better late than never does they
say. Did you like together?

(01:11:31):
I liked it. I thought it was solid.
I, I mentioned my thoughts a little earlier, but in our
weapons review and kind of the differences here, this was
definitely more not obsessed, but the premise kind of took
over the movie. And for me, yeah, I'm not really
a body horror guy, but that's someone that's loved the I love
the substance though. But the substance that was

(01:11:51):
again, the two characters there kind of drove the movie and then
you're like, holy crap, this is a crazy, wacky premise here.
It's like the premise kind of took hold and I, I, I don't
know, I just never like was fully bought in.
I, I, I thought it was fine. I had worked.
But like at the end, they're going, I'm not spoiling

(01:12:11):
anything. Then they're going and talk
loud. I don't spoil anything, but I I
didn't dig the ending either. And I thought it was supposed to
be like a Oh my God moment. And that's where they were
trying to get you with. And I was like, I'm just going
to leave the theater. I'm not going to wait for like
the end credits or post credits,like I'm just going to walk out.
So I respect the story. This is big at Sundance.

(01:12:32):
I remember talking about this movie and the most anticipated
draft because I was like, there's this movies together
that's getting incredible buzz at Sundance, right.
And Dave Franco, Allison Brie, the producers on this, basically
the reason this it got made. So I respect it, but at the same
time, like, was this for me? Maybe not, but it was solid.
I I think you're right when you say the premise was the draw of

(01:12:53):
the movie for sure. And I think people talk about
the theme of like codependency being too, I guess involved with
each other. Not enough with everybody else
leaning on one person Literal literal like type of 1 to 1
here. Gross movie, gross ass movie,
and I would say the most scared I've been in a theater this

(01:13:15):
year. This movie, I think the way the
movie shot is pretty cool. I think the opening scene with
the two dogs, I was shitting my pants.
I'm like, this is the scariest thing I could ever imagine.
The dog staring at each other. And then the sounds that you're
hearing like at the beginning ofthe dogs.
I was freaked out from the get go.

(01:13:36):
This was the movie. I used my free popcorn at AMC
for my birthday, and I knew thatif I watch a horror movie, I do
better when I watch horror movies if I eat something.
However, when you're watching a movie as gross as this, you
don't want to eat that popcorn, you know?
I was literally covering my face.

(01:13:56):
I was so disturbed by the imagesthat I saw.
I think like the body horror didwork, you know, the ending did
not for me. I think the ending was jarring
and it had me feel sick and it had a very negative message, in
my opinion, for the end of this movie on codependency, how to

(01:14:18):
handle it. It was like a horror movie that
when you walk out, you're like that had that had a negative
message to it, you know, and to have that ending and like that
final frame and have people thatare husband and wife in real
life, like have that frame exist.
I I don't understand. I don't I don't get how they can
make that movie. Like Alison Brie and Dave Franco

(01:14:41):
are actually married and you canhave that image that is forever
there in film. That is gross to me.
That is so freaking gross. I would be thrown off by it.
And then also like that, like I said, terrifying horror worked.
Also genuinely pretty funny movie.
Like there are some very funny moments after some gruesome
events. I think they could even gone

(01:15:02):
even harder with the gore aspect.
And there's one particular sceneyou you see in the trailer, you
probably know what I'm talking about in terms of blood and gore
and try to try to separate each other.
But the performances, Alison Brie, Dave Franco, Dave Franco's
not very good. I'm not a huge fan of him.
I like I like him in comedies. Like, he just came off like a

(01:15:23):
whiny Sissy in this movie. And I get it.
That's what he's trying to be. But I found him.
I found him more annoying than good.
And then Alison Brie, honestly, she does a really good job
playing like a bitchy, you know,girlfriend.
But the body horse stuff I thought was unbelievable from
her. I think what she was doing in

(01:15:43):
terms of like flexibility, in terms of like being drawn to
this person, having her body move in unorthodox ways, I think
she was the best performer in this movie.
Yeah, she, this is like what shedoes, you know, like this type
of character she plays in a lot of things, right?
I I think I'd get hard actually with Will Ferrell.

(01:16:03):
I think. Community, yeah.
Community, like, she's very goodat playing this role.
And this was like, perfect for her.
Dave Franco, he's better when he's bombastic comedies like I I
honestly, I thought he was greatin his little cameo in freaking
the Seth Rogen Show on Apple TV Plus.
Yeah, the studio awesome in thathe is unbelievable in that I'm

(01:16:27):
like, shit, this is he's an unbelievable comedic actor.
So I I I think this was a littleoff, but Allison Brie really
good, really good. And also you said something
before, I think this could have gone harder.
That's yeah, like I agree with you, Gore, Gore for.
Sure. There's a couple scenes where
they panned away. I was like, what, What are we

(01:16:47):
doing here? You have that opening scene
that's like with the dogs, right?
And they remind you in the classroom with the girl, they
remind you of it. And I'm like, oh, then we're
going to get some crazy shit here.
And honestly, we saw some like squeamy stuff, right?
With the hands together and whatnot.
The lips obviously from the promo.

(01:17:08):
But like, again, the promo is kind of telling you get ready
for this. And I was like ready for more
and not with that. I wanted to.
So I thought it could have been more.
I feel like every time they say this is the scariest movie of
the year, it's never the scariest of the movie of the
year. This one, I, I was pretty
terrified just by the premise ofit and the thought of it.
And I think they could have gonethe extra mile and shown it a

(01:17:31):
little bit more. I, I, we're in agreement there.
I also think, I think a part of the movie that wasn't good is
the writing. And I feel like it was super
obvious that with that's how small the cast was, who was the
villain of the movie. And they show up a photo of like
this character with like their lover and they ask what happened

(01:17:52):
to them. I'm like, obviously we know what
happened. Look at the name of the movie.
I just thought like the writing was not effective for this
whatsoever. It was predictable.
The shock ending. It was just told me like, you're
not going to walk out with a like a, a set.
Like I said, it's going to be a sour taste in your mouth.
And they went for like the shocking jaw-dropping 1.

(01:18:13):
And I kind of just felt gross after.
Yeah, yeah. They they were like, oh, let's
be clever. And I was just like, more like,
I'm just going to go home. I would think in my head walking
out, I'm like, that's. Yeah, I was like going, I was
like, I saw at 11:00, so I walked out of the theater at
1:00 AM on a Wednesday and I waslike, yeah, like I'm looking
forward to see Weapons tomorrow.Like that's honestly what I was

(01:18:35):
thinking. I'm like, Weapons is going to be
better than this. I don't have much else to say
about it. I I think it's also like there
there's a part where when they first how they get this, you
know how they fall under this spell where they're magic, where
they're drawn to each other. I'm just like, this is dumb,
like David, like it's like classic dumb horror movie type

(01:18:58):
of tropes going on. Like he points at the saw.
He's like, oh, guess I won't be needing this.
Hopefully I won't be needing this.
I'm like God damn it, like don'tdo that with the right and like
the bonier that commercial wherehe's it's like, yeah, we should
we hide over by the shed full ofchainsaws like type of thing.
I'm like God damn it. But you are right, like this
movie, the dialogue was so on the nose, you know, terrible

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foreshadowing, to be honest. Like even the the villain here
in like the when he Allison Breeze asking for advice or
whatever and he's like, oh, I used to.
I have teach this history lessonto my students about Plato and
how really we should be 4 people, like 2 people should be
4 people or whatever. He was saying.
I was like, what the hell? So you're the villain?

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I'm like, you're the reason thatthey're going to be drawn
together. Yeah, but this also in terms of
like not only gross out, but in terms of like I felt pain
watching it when they're the sexscene and this I knew that like
this movie was made for those type of scenes.
It's almost like you think of the scenes before you think of
the script. Like you think of the chainsaw

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scene or the the Saw scene, you think of the sex scene because
that goes well with the premise.And then you have the theme of
codependency. Then you got to make everything
else work. You know, I feel like that's how
these type of movies come together.
At least it feels like that, yeah.
I actually think maybe the one of the better scenes in this
movie was when it's like recently after they went to The

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Cave or whatever and they got like the spell.
That's not really a spoiler. That's like to get the premise.
But Allison Breeze driving to work and Dave wherever and Dave
in the shower and the camera work and the music, the
intensity, I was like, or the score, I should say.
I thought that was maybe the best scene in the movie.

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And like, that's just like, that's like, not really, I don't
know, like for a movie, I didn'texpect that.
That was a great scene and like driving through.
And that's like, once again, like not necessarily how scary
it is, but how like painful it looks, you know?
And then the other scenes that really work, the Allison Brie,
when she's first drawn towards Dave Franco and then he's on the

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other side of that door and she is like levitating, you know,
from the door because she is like so powerfully driving into
it. And then the scene when they're
in the hallway and she's doing like a backflip basically, you
know, and being pulled towards him.
I thought that was unreal too. I like, I think she was in terms

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of like, I guess physical performance, pretty damn good.
Pretty damn good. Yeah.
And Dave Franco is not bad like like like he's not a bad actor.
I should say. He's like he's hilarious in
Neighbors. He's hilarious in Neighbors too.
He's great in 21 Jump St. Like he is legit funny.
You talked about the studio. I also saw he's doing this like

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movie from like the writer of The Fault in Our Stars.
And I see the trailer now like couple times in theaters.
I'm like, I don't, I don't thinkyou should do this.
I just don't think you can do this.
I get I. Make the pivot it seems like.
He's trying to I'm not exactly buying it.
Allison Brie, I believe it because she has some like like
that bitch factor. You know, she she she seems more

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mature. She seems like she can do that
compared to Dave Franco. But I don't know I'm room for
Dave Franco. I just didn't think this was the
the movie for him. He played the whiny bitch role
pretty good. I'll I'll say that, but
annoying, annoying scores. What do you want to give
together? I'll go 72.
Damn it, I had 73. I did right.

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I changed it to 71, but I'll keep the 73.
Not a bad movie, but I think overhyped, especially with
weapons coming out the week after.
That's crazy. Yeah, I will say by 11:00
showing, there were probably 15 people in there.
So 11:00 Wednesday night the week after for a Sundance movie
that's pretty good. The promos probably working

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right, because they've done a lot of like out-of-the-box
things here to keep this hype engine going since the Sundance
Film Festival, like back in likeFebruary.
So I, I think people are seeing it, people are liking it, but I
just think that I think it's just over heights a little bit
versus weapons where we we literally were comparing it to
Magnolia and hereditary combination and that lived up to

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the hype. So that's kind of I, I feel bad
for together that we're doing this kind of a tandem.
This was a really good idea. But at the same time I'm like,
maybe I'm am I discounting this movie?
I don't think so, but maybe we look back and maybe we are.
It under delivered compared to weapons.
I thought this movie was just going to be smarter than what it
was, and it just kind of wasn't.It was kind of the premise at

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all. And it gave you the body horror,
you know, clean it up, go to bed.
OK, That does it for a review ofTogether.
That does it for episode 481 of TDI.
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