Coach Brown: The PUSH-UP Mentality, Coaching, and Spirituality | #38 - The Drive Program

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Hello, and welcome back toanother episode of the drive
program.
My name is Tom driver.
And today my guest's name iscoach brown, AKA wheezy.
Wheezy.
And I went to school together.
He was a member of my fraternityand we were even roommates for
one summer.
Wheezy.
And I talk about a lot ofdifferent topics.
First off he has recentlystarted coaching soccer.

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So we discuss, his experience,coaching, these kids play soccer
and how that led to him wantingto become more of a coach in his
life We discuss his lifephilosophy, which is the push-up
mentality.
He talks a lot about thisphilosophy, where if he catches
himself, you know, watching toomuch TV or something, he'll do a

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couple of pushups here andthere, but also, he abstracts
that out and he really tries topush himself everything he does
in life.
And it's always reaching for,that next level And then another
big topic of this conversationwas, faith in religion and
spirituality.
Wheezy has become more in touchwith God since, I was friends

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with him.
So he catches me up on hisspiritual journey.
And we talk a lot about, what itmeans to be spiritual and, and
what it means to have God inyour life.
so overall I love this episodeso much.
It is so motivational andinspiring and uplifting.
I tell him in an interview, butI really just love the energy

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that Weezie is able to.
I bring to the table.
I'm just so excited about.
Helping others growing himselfand, and sharing that experience
and being.
An inspiration to other people.
So.
had a lot of fun talking to him.
I think he'll definitely be backon the show.
And yeah, I hope you guys enjoythis episode.

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This is episode 38 of the driveprogram With coach brown.

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Okay I'm proud of you, man.
I'm very happy that you're doingsomething.
I think you enjoyed it.
And that's the most, that's onepart that is very important to
it.
Some people are doing it for themoney or the fame or everything.
I mean, I'm sure you're going toget there one day at one point,
but for now, be sure that youenjoy reconnecting with people

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and do your thing, man.
something I learned from pastexperiences.
It's not always about money.
If you always chasing money,then.
You just cannot be, keep chasingmoney.
You're not going to be happy.
You got to have that moneychasing a million dollar, you
going to get it.
And the fact that you arechasing the money, you're going
to see that$1 million.
You want to have$2 million.

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We're going to have$3 million.
So you just going to keepchasing, not going to find that
true happiness, but I think forsure.
You're going to get the money atone point.
Well, I hope I pray.
But I, I see you smiling.
I see you enjoying yourself.
So that's that's that makes mehappy, man.
Yeah, that's what I'm talkingabout.
Wheezy.
You're already preaching overhere, bro.
We haven't even asked a questionyet.

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This is a warmer robo you're onfire already, dude.
But yeah, man, that's what Idecided is like, I would like to
make money doing this, but if Inever make a dollar, it's not
about like, I just like, youknow, reconnecting with people
because working on the app, justforcing me to like, be alone all
the time.
And this is like the exactopposite.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm, I'mgoing to keep doing this once a

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week.
You know, no matter whathappens, you know, for sure is
as far as the success goes.
So dude, we haven't really, Ithink I saw you once at JMU,
like when you visited, but wehaven't really covered.
And like four or five yearssince college.
So you seem like you've lived insome crazy places.
Can you kind of give me like anoverview of like what, what
happened?

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Well, the best way I candescribe it in two words, push
up.
So I've been I decided I leftactually, as you know, I left
the U S back in 2017 and I gotwhere I'm at to the CDs of
small.
I actually, as a matter of fact,it reminds me of.
Harrisonburg because it, as amatter of fact, it reminds me

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of, of where I live with myparents and where I used to go
to school.
Harrisonburg.
It's like a mix of the two.
He has that low countrysidegoing on and it's still a CD.
It's like a university type vibeyoung people having, having fun,
which is very important.
But at the same time, me, I findmy niche.
Sometimes I describe it as anaquarium.

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I usually tell people I'm not abig shock in the sea.
I'm a small fish and I find myaquariums where I can grow and
keep growing and keep growing.
And then when I get there to abigger size fish, I don't mind
going to the river.
And then.
I keep eating.
I keep getting bigger andbigger.
And then down the river islandup on the ocean when I get,

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well, I'll probably get bigger.
I hope, but for now, I'm beinglike you, I'm enjoying myself.
I'm having fun.
I've grown a lot as a person andI've grown a lot professionally
and spiritually, which is veryimportant to me nowadays.
I'm just excited about.
Future what uh, he had for me.
So, but to go back to yourquestion, I'm sorry, I'm just

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going to keep talking andtalking, but to go back to your
question I've been, as I said,I've been going up a lot.
I started living in the studioapartment and went from that
studio apartment.
I got a one bed apartment.
And after that I set myself agoal and now I'm in the house.
You can see the basement.
I have my own little studio, myown room and all that started in

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the studio room in just a studioapartment.
So one advice I usually givepeople, just keep pushing up,
man.
Just push up.
You are here right now.
Keep your heads up and then pushup.
Keep going.
Sometimes it's just like thestock market.
Sometimes you go down, but it'sokay.
You're going to go push up andthen go back up again.

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So I know if you remember thatback in the days, I used to
tell, tell people to do somepushups, right?
Well, that's what I've beendoing.
In uh, all the sense of theword, like spiritually and
personally, professionally.
that's my motto nowadays.
Push up, man.
that's the formula I found formyself.

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I don't know if it's gonna workfor you or work for your other
people, but that's what worksfor me.
And I'm excited to share it withpeople.
Whoever wants to try it.
So.
Push up, bro, let's go wheezy.
You were meant for this dude.
Like the way you talk is like inriddles or something, you know,

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the river, the lake, the, youknow, people really grab onto
that kind of communication.
You know, like, I, I waswondering like, like locations
of where you lived and stuff,but like, people don't relate to
that.
Always, you know, like the waythat you phrase your messages, I
feel like you were meant forpodcasting or something because.
Phrase everything.
In a way that like motivatesinspires, like give people your,

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like a shot of caffeine orsomething, you know, you know,
seven o'clock at night you'd useto me up right now, dude, I'm
ready to hit the gym orsomething for, for sure, for
sure.
But there's one thing about thatas I mentioned in all the sense
of the word, for sure.
Uh, You, you gotta look good.
You gotta go to the gym, hit thegym.
that's okay.
That's actually awesome for yourhair.

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And even for your ego, etcetera.
But a lot of people just seethe, the, the, look, they don't
go behind the look, but yougotta work on yourself.
Educate yourself, learn newthings.
Like you're doing that.
Like five years ago.
You didn't know what the micwhere I'm kidding.
You knew what the mic was, butyou didn't know how to use a mic

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to do what you're doing now.
But you started at one point,you, you.
Keep pushing and pushing.
And as I said, maybe the moneywill come later.
I hope, but keep injuringyourself, keep learning and have
fun on the way too.
And you said something earlierand that's that's for sure.
I do like words, I think.
words are very powerful.

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You can weave one word.
You can either build someone upor you can completely distort
them.
And.
I prefer to build people uprather to destroy it.
I'm past that maybe in the pastI used to make fun of people or
things like that, but I'velearned that.
We all that it's all fun.

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And, and but at the end of theday, that person is going to be
hurt.
And, and so if that persongrowing up that actually my keep
him from growing and from tryingnew things and better things.
So that's why I decided where,especially with the kids I coach
nowadays th they are not at thesame level and the ones that
have.
At the lawyer level at just tellhim, don't worry about those

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with more skills than you justkeep your heads up and keep
doing your thing.
You're going to see you going toeven pass them because usually
what happens they're at thatlevel and they think they can
get any better.
But you, you, at this level, youjust want to keep getting.
So at one point, you just goingto pass them.
So push up, man.

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Dude, I love that.
I love that philosophy, dude.
So, so you're a coach now ofwhat soccer players or.
it's funny that you ask that andI'm happy that you asked that.
I started out coaching You 12,under 12 years old soccer.
And.
The first time I startedcoaching I found that I can say,

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I find my calling.
That's when I started feelingvery happy about not only about
myself and about what I wasdoing and what I want to do,
things like that.
So I think I found my calling itstarted out something very small
avid colleague who has threekids and he wanted to coach them
all three of them.
And obviously.

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Coaching three teams.
It's a lot.
So he always saw me watchingsoccer and talking about soccer
and, and things like that.
You remember me?
I love soccer.
It just that back at Jim, youadd school going on.
I had social life going on at.
Type of stuff going on.
So I didn't have a whole lot oftimes to watch soccer, but that

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was one of my dream to get inthere.
And even if I don't play a wholelot, but still watch it and
enjoy it and still learn fromthose people on TV, et cetera.
So, He was like, yo, you seem toreally enjoy soccer and really
likes soccer.
How about Helping me coach, Iseem so I said, yeah, for sure,
man.

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And then I, I started as I said,it's a U 12 and that first
season were undefeated, man ondefeated were beating other
teams like twelve zero five,zero ten one, things like that.
So I was, well, it's, it's funto win.
I was happy.
The best part about it is seeingthose little kids wanting to

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learn, wanting to play, wantingto have fun, even the ones that
are not the best at it, but theystill get out there and kick the
ball and just kick it.
So they're having fun.
So I try to find the best wayto.
Obviously, we don't have thesame level of skills.
We don't have the samepersonalities.
We don't play the same way.
So I tried to find every, everylittle kid was different.

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So I tried to find the littlething difference about him the
best offer them and the worst ofhim.
So I tried to use that to hisadvantage.
I remember there was this.
it was not the most theathletic?
So I was like, don't try to runjust like all the other kids.
Just use your strength, youbigger, so you don't need to

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run, just play.
Position yourself the best placeyou can, so you don't have to
keep running.
So, and he tried that and therewas another thing out, another
little exercise I had, I hadthem do.
And then during that exercise,they did not really understand.
I was like that Mr.
Miyagi guy doing wax on wax off,he did not understand, but that

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during the, during a game wasthat, oh no, I get it.
That's what you're telling.
No, I get it.
I don't understand it.
It was so happy that he finallyhis eyes open.
I was, I was happy to hear thatfrom him though.
But so that's where it started.
And then as I said, I found mycalling, like just helping
people.
You remember me?
I love people.
I like telling a few jokes hereand there to keep the mood up.

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I like encouraging people to bethe best so that's when I
realized maybe I should be acoach and not just a soccer
coach, but just be a coach ingeneral.
And I started, yeah, exactly.
A life coach.
Some people call it, but I'mjust a, I don't put life.
I don't put soccer.
I'm just a coach.
I just like in encouragingpeople And trying to find that

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maybe it's, it's one of myskills, trying to find that
thing, that, that, that lowthing, sometimes just a little
coal on it, a little comma, alittle period, whatever it is,
that little thing I can findI'll I'll just let you know.
And then you, you, when you seeit, It just makes sense.
And then your whole being, notyour whole life, but that thing,

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your attitude change your, whatyou wanted, you get it.
So I'm just happy about thoseresults and, and happy that I
can help someone with thatlittle, little detail I find.
And I'll just tell you, and I'mnot the, I'm not the how do I
say that it dictator, I'm notgonna tell you exactly what to

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do, or I just try to let youknow, Hey, I think this might
help what you think about that.
You can take the advice or youcan, you can do whatever you
want with it, but a lot of timesBecause I tried to find the best
way to tell I don't force it onthem.
A lot of people, me personally,I don't like when people call it
telling me, Hey, do that dothat?
No, if you find a bit the bestway to approach me, you can have

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me do whatever you want.
Just find the best way toapproach me.
And then I find that I use thaton other people.
I found the best way to approachyou.
I'm not going to tell you.
If I were you, I'm going to, Iwas going to do that or for sure
the person is gonna say, well,I'm not used, so I'm not going
to do that.
But I find the best way to tellyou.
Okay.
I think this might be what youshould probably try.

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Just give it a try.
I'm not telling you to do it.
Just give it a try.
And a lot of times they try it.
Um, Yeah, man, I had a lot ofthoughts as you, were talking
about that, the first one isyou're talking about your, your
spiritual journey, right?
I feel like when you, when youstart something like coaching
and you go, you have that 12 andoh season.

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That's like a sign.
That's like the spiritual worldtelling you, like, this is what
you're meant to do.
You know what I'm saying?
I feel like that was like a hugeindication that like you were in
the right place at the righttime doing what you were
intended to do, you know?
So that's a real special.
And then I like what you saidabout.
Having that kid focus on hisstrength, right.
Instead of his speed, I mean,there's so much you can be

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gained right.
From focusing on what you'regood at in life and getting
better and better at that.
Instead of like trying to pickup the thing that you're the
worst at, you know, whether it'swriting or reading or running or
communications, like don't focuson what you're bad at, right.
Like focus on the things thatyou're really good at.
And, and those will help you.
Right.
Be like a unique well-roundedperson, you know?

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And then when, when I live withyou, you actually so for
listeners that don't know, Ilived in a dorm room for two
years, and then I live withWeezy for a summer, and that was
the first time I ever lived onmy own.
So I was eating the campus food.
And you had to teach me how tocook for the first time,
especially you taught me how tocook eggs, right?

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Yeah.
You're a member and we werealways playing.
But a protein bro, I guess atthe time we didn't know it, but
you were already coaching me onhow to cook eggs.
It didn't seem like coaching,but you, you do have just a
natural ability, right.
To teach someone something, butmake it fun, make it
entertaining, make it engaging.
While also helping them and kindof not putting him down, but

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right.
Like you, you kind of have tolike, be the bearer of bad news
sometimes.
Like, Hey man, you're not goodat making eggs.
Like you're not good at cleaningup or whatever it is.
And, and you can, you certainlyhave an ability to like, make
that fun and engaging and.
And memorable, right.
If you're going to teachsomeone, if it's going to be
educational, it doesn't, itdoesn't, it doesn't do you any

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good if you forget about it?
You know, like the best teachersI've ever had are probably the
most memorable ones, you know?
Yeah.
They're characters, right.
They, they have that ability tojust, just stick with you, you
know, after, with time, youknow, so that's great, man.
I'm glad that you were able tofind.
Find your calling like that, youknow?
Yeah, yeah, me too.

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And I think you, you are on, on,on your way to, I mean, I think
you find it found it too, butit's just a matter of figuring
out how, where you want to gowith that.
Set some goals.
And the thing about goals isthat if you allow people just
enjoy achieving those goals, butif you don't achieve.

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But just knowing that you worktoward it, even we don't not do
achieve it.
It shipping is, is great.
Winning is great, but theworking part of it, just the,
the journey to get there.
Is it when greater?
I don't know if you see what I'msaying.
Yeah.
It's great to, to achieve yourgoal, but the journeys are very
important too.
That's what's going to help youkeep growing and then growing.

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So that's that's, that'sawesome.
Yeah, man specifically with mypodcast, right?
Like I could have set a goal,like I want a thousand listeners
or something, but I don't, Ican't really control that.
I mean, you can, in some ways,but like my goal for this year
is just to release one episode aweek.
Right.
That's a goal that I can controland it's doable and that maybe

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I'll get a thousand listenersfrom doing that, but it's, it's
something realistic that I canreally go out and accomplish
because.
You know, you can't, you can'tcontrol everything.
Yeah, for sure.
They'll set some goals that youcannot control.
do what you can control forsure.
Yeah.
Okay.
What are your goals right now?
Or what, what have been some ofyour goals since I've talked to.

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Well, I have I've set up a fewgoals.
One I remember that back in1,016, 2017 I was looking for
jobs, obviously after college, Iwas looking for jobs.
My, my friends had nice jobs inor they were making money,
things like that.
And I was still living with myparents.
So I was, I was feeling like a.

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I should be doing something.
What am I not doing?
Or what am I doing wrong?
Things like that.
as a, as a spiritual guy, Istarted praying and a lot of
people will say that it's asecret life and what you want,
just ask for it and then you'llget it.
Maybe not tomorrow, maybe notnext week, but you will get it.
So I was like praying almostevery night.

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I remember praying I was prayingfor a specific job staying AKI.
I want this job at this company.
Now.
I was saying that I want a jobwhere I can grow.
Personally, professionally andspiritually.
And it took me a good two years,but I think that's where I'm at
right now.
My, my prayers have beenanswered.

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My prayers are being answeredright now because I'm living.
I'm happy.
First of all, we, don't not havea lot of money in the bank,
whether or not I'm the bestlooking guy, but I'm happy where
I'm at right now, for sure.
I wanna, I want to have moremoney.
I'm trying to work toward thatand be able to help my family

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more because I mean, if you have$100.
You still got to eat.
You still gotta pay bills andfor sure you don't have a whole
lot left.
Well, I don't have a whole lotleft for my family in Haiti and
I got family down in Mexico.
I got family almost ever I'mblack.
So I mean, so that's one of mygoals trying to uh, well, it's

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not be rich but be moreindependent be able to do my own
thing.
I don't know if that makessense, do my own thing.
And.
Well, I'll keep doing the thingsI like and try to leave out the
things I don't really like.
So I want to that in that sense,be more independent financially.
And um, I wanna, I want onething right now.

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I feel like I'm in a, I'm in acrossroad, so I want to know.
If I'm going to spend the nextfive years where I'm at right
now and keep growing, or if I'mgoing to go to that river, as I
mentioned earlier, if I shouldstay in the aquarium and keep
growing and keep learning or ifit's the time that I need to.

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Okay, go ahead.
Start swimming in the river.
And then I have more obstaclesand to learn more from them.
So that's why it matters.
So I'm trying to figure out thatpart out, but I'm sure I'm not,
I'm probably not going to getthat insert right now tonight.
I'm just going to have to keepmeditating on that.
Keep praying on it.

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And one day My life will just,if I need to live here, I'll
just, everything will just fallinto places and I'll just leave.
Uh, If I'm not supposed to livewhile I just keep doing my thing
and keep growing and keeplearning here.
Uh, One other goal I have morelike a personal goal.
avid baby coming baby on the wayin the oven.

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So I, one of my, thank you.
Thank you.
One of my goal is to be a, thefather that unfortunately I
didn't have growing up in a.
Which I ended up well, as youknow, you know, a little bit
about my story.
I was adopted more.
I lost my parents and I wasadopted by my aunt.
And then I was adopted by uh, myfamily in the us, my American

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family.
My dad was a very uh, I learneda lot from him.
Unfortunately, he passed awayback in 2019, and that was a big
blow to me because I wanted tobe more like.
And at that point, and that'swhen I lost them.
I don't know if that that was abig blow.
I don't, you understand what Ijust said?
But the, the, the time when Irealized that, okay, that's the

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guy, when a be like, I'm gonnatry to do actually what he's
doing to be liking.
And then all of a sudden youlost that guy.
So I was like, wait, what, whathappened?
What should I do now?
That, that was the guy.
One of be like, but I realizedthat that's one thing.
That's when I realized that youshould church, all every single

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little moments you have, whetherit's good moments, whether it's
bad moments a lot of lessons Ilearned unfortunately I learned
them the hard way.
But those moments are still veryimportant to me because those
are lessons whether or not thehard way or the easy way.
So I want to be like that ornot.
It like my dad was uh,professionally and personally he

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was he was strict I'm someonewho needed a street guy at that
moment.
So, but at that moment, I didn'tknow that I thought it was,
well, I'm not going to go intotoo much details, but at that
moment I needed someone strict.
So that's why God gives me somuch streak.
And at the same time he wasthere for me.
I remember one of the thingsthat got me very upset or even

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sad, I even cried about it isthat I usually send him emails
Hey dad, how you chat, chat,chat, chat, chat, chat.
And then I know he's going toanswer me as soon as possible,
but now I can sit as many emailsI want.
Unfortunately, I'm not going toget.
So that's a little chill.
But yeah it sucks because I I'vealways wanted to uh, every sip

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or not also.
And you can feel that from mytone, my voice, but yeah, I do
miss him a lot.
And I want to be there for my,for my kid, my kid.
In parenthesis S hope to havemore but yeah, I want to be, I
wanna be that guy to my kids tomy, my kids growing up, wanting

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to be like me wanting to bestrong, like me mentally and
spiritually and as a person, etcetera, et cetera.
So that's one goal I have rightnow to be there for my kids and
teach them.
Well, all, all the hard lessonsthey need to learn and even all
the easy lessons they need tolearn and have fun with them.

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Enjoy every little moment wherethey're pooping or I need to
change them.
Things like the little singlelittle seconds.
I want to be sure that.
I'm there for them and I want tobe part of them and, and help
them grow and, and beindependent and not need me, but
still want me to be around them.

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So that's one of my veryimportant goal, right.
That's huge, man.
Well, first of all, I thinkyou're going to make a great
dad.
You know, I, I know, obviously Iknow you, but it's shining
through right now.
You know, you're just the wayyou speak is very exciting and
inspirational.
Like I just think having you asa father would just be.
Just a very high quality life orsomeone, you know, every,

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everything would be exciting,right?
It's like those kids that youcoach, but they just you know,
your kid is going to have accessto that all the time.
And you care, right?
Like that's a special just, Idon't know.
I can tell you put a lot ofthought into it and that's
exciting, man.
I'm very, you know, Not everyoneis ready and I think they get
ready.
But I think that, I think thatyou're, you are like, you can
handle this and, and I'm, I'm soexcited to see how this all

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turns out for you.
So it is a scare moment,exciting and a little bit scary,
because as you said, I've neverbeen a father.
It's that young one's gonna belike dependent on me.
Depending on me.
So but I'm excited though.
I'm very excited my dad for awhile.
Remember that and you turned outgreat.

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So yeah.
Let me say I'm a work inprogress.
Yes, that's right.
For sure.
We all are, man.
Well, I'm ready to, I'm excitedto meet my half-brother then
dude, me and Weezy just had arunning joke because he would
help.
Like I said he would help mecook and stuff like that.

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He was like, I'm basically yourdad.
that's why our joke was there.
But It seems like there's acertain amount of uncertainty
still about your future, right?
Like you said, you stillfiguring it out.
You don't know exactly how thenext five years are going to do.
But you do know you're having akid.
Right.
But you seem to have this strongsense of faith that, you know,
you're going to cherish everymoment everything's going to

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work out.
All right.
You know, you seem to be likealigned with your purpose or
your calling.
Right.
So I don't know.
Could you just kind of talk onfaith and, and how that plays a
part as far as like yourmentality towards maybe some of
the challenges that you haveand, and some of the
difficulties that you've beenthrough or, or have coming up,
you know, in the future.

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Yeah, for sure.
But before I talk about thefuture, I'm going to go back a
little bit well, back in the, inthe past that's actually one
thing that, that has helped methrough all my ups and downs in
life is knowing God is there.
God is good.
Even in the bad moments even inthe best moments, God is still

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there.
It's just that We sometimes haveto go through those ups and
downs to truly cherish trulylearn a lesson or cherish what
we need to cherish or getstronger in life.
As I mentioned pushup earlier,that's my philosophy.
You don't.
Big picks like that you got workfor it.

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Right?
And that's exactly what pushupis.
You go, you go down and thengravity brings you down.
It can be, your friends can be,your family can be your work.
You can be anything gravity inlife.
I'm not talking about gravityoutside physics, physics.
I'm talking about in a spiritualrealm.
That gravity can be your, yourjoy.

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I can't even be yourself becauseyou don't believe in yourself.
You don't trust yourself or youdoubting or whatever.
You can be on gravity bringingyourself down.
But a lot of times, if you staydown, then you're just going to
stay down.
You're not going to get those.
You're not going to have gains.
As we say.

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It's when you push up, you pushup.
So that's when those gains arecoming and yeah, for sure.
A fifth has played a big part inmy life.
When my, my mom passed away, Iwas feeling down, but figured
out that God as a matter offact, that's something, I
usually tell people if my mom,my biological mom was still

(29:45):
alive, I myself probably wouldhave been dead because, well,
well, I don't know, go into toomuch details, but that's how I
felt that my mom was the kind ofgirl she doesn't mess around.
She doesn't take she's all fromanybody.
She's if she says she's gonna dothat, she's gonna do that.
And as a kid, seeing yourparents being like that, you

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can't want to be a bad-ass dolike that.
Sorry for the word.
I think that God maybe it didnot want that for me.
Aqualine could have ended upbeing a gangster or I don't
know.
But God didn't want that for me.
And one other parallel, Iusually do it's more like an
analogy.
I see myself as a staircase,stairway or staircase every.

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Step is Zack a different phasein my life in, in that every
step, every phase in my life atdo need two people or more to
help me, the first step wasgiving me birth.
I needed that biological mom andthat magical father to give me
birth, to have those genes inmyself, things like that.

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But after that, I felt like,well, from, from what a tank uh,
might be wrong.
But after that I was born, Iunfortunately.
So that all their job was done.
So I needed my aunt, who wassomeone very strict, very uh,
religious very spiritual toguide me through that phase in

(31:18):
my life.
And she guided me until I was17.
And I learned a lot of goodvalues from her.
I learned a lot of good thingsfrom her and um, Growing up.
Uh, It's a, I'm laughing now,but I got the loud flipping from
her too.
So I needed that person in thatphase to help me learn those

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things.
And I thank God she's stillalive now.
And one of the few things, ormaybe two things I'm gonna
mention that is doing dishes,taking care of the house.
I learned that from her she willleave me in the house and go to
work.
And when she gets back,everything needs to be clean.
Dishes has to be done.

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Everything has to be clean.
That's how I, I learned thatvalue.
And I, as I was mentionedearlier, as I told you earlier,
I was helping my wife doingdishes.
If you do that, Whoever doesthat his wife or your wife,
future wife, she's going tohappy that you help her doing
dishes.
Just that little thing, dishes,not everybody, Matt personally,

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at some point when I was a kid,I didn't want to do it.
I was like, I don't want to doit, but I got some moving.
I was a kid, but now growing up,it became like my therapy.
I was always standing a friendof mine instead of doing
whatever in that.
Get in front of the same dishes.
And when the dishes are clean, Ifeel good.

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I was like, whoa, I accomplishedsomething just doing this is
that little thing.
I found my happiness in it, thatlittle thing.
And then to continue with mystory my mom, that my aunt who
became my mom taught me a lot ofthings about religion and God
and have faith, things likethat.
And until today I keep thinkingGod for having put her in my

(33:08):
life, because right now I'musing all those things I learned
as a kid.
Those things as a kid, I didn'twant them.
Now I'm doing them as an adult,and I'm happy that I learned how
to do them and how to enjoy,appreciate doing them.
And that's why I probably was alittle bit hard on you asking
you to do dishes and cooking andthings like that, but you you'll

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find out, maybe, maybe youalready found that out that you
gotta be able to cook.
You gotta be able to eat.
You gotta be able to, afteryou're done cooking, eating, do
the dishes, it just, it justthat simple those things have to
be done.
But after my mom, I came to theus and it became my us family to
guide me through the whole, afirst world country to have a

(33:54):
bank account, how to have.
Card credit card Baghdad, thedebit card.
And I was bawling.
Whenever I get paid, I spenteverything now.
Well, and they were teaching me.
No, you should not spend allyour money the next day.
You should save it.
You should have a budget.
She, they even bought likemonopoly money trying to teach

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me.
Okay.
You get paid 100 bucks.
You take this for electricity,bill.
You take this for, for water.
You take this out for what arethe bills?
You have your cell phone, thingslike that.
Okay, you have this left.
Okay.
This you have left.
You shouldn't be spending iteither.
Again.
You take a part, the good partof it.
You save it because tomorrow youdon't know what's going to

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happen tomorrow.
Are you going to be able to workit?
My rent more?
You might not be able to work.
So you get to save that.
Keep that for a rainy day, as Isay, okay, you got.
Enjoy yourself.
Well, me, I did see that way.
I'm like, no, I want to spend itall.
I like shoes.
I'm going to buy shoes.
I like different color shoes.
I don't want to have, I rememberback then, I like almost two

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pairs of every single color,like two pair of four yellow
shoes, red shoes, black shoes,because I was that guy.
If I'm wearing a paints longpants, I want to wear it type of
shoes.
I don't want to wear high tops.
I want to wear, if I'm wearingshorts, I don't know where high
Tufts, so any, it has to bematching my, my my t-shirt or

(35:23):
match my, my hat, things likethat, which is okay at some
point, but you don't want tospend all your money just to
look good again.
You got to, well, I'm not, Iwasn't, I was trying to be
rapper spending all my money tolook good.
And then truly, well, two dayslater I'm broke and that's what
I was doing.
But now I'm using those skills.

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I learned from them and, andthat's what helped me buy a
house like two years ago,because I was able to save money
and save money and save money.
And then all those little$1,$2,$3.
While they, the up, over theyears, they add up and I was
able to have a little bit ofmoney, more money to buy my

(36:04):
house.
And now I bought a house.
It's not just to spend money,but it was more like an
investment.
I have a better place to live,but before I, that better place
add to live in my studioapartment for nine months, it's
like a baby in the warmup by theway, nine months.
So, and then after that, I hadto spend two years in a bigger

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apartment better, but yet itwasn't what I wanted.
That's once again, push up whenI had my stood apart.
I would say, okay, I want to bebigger, better than that.
And then when I got my other, Iwant bigger, better than that,
so I can feel more independentso I can feel myself.
Now I have this, I'm going tohave to keep working and working
and saving also.

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So I can have something betterfor my kids.
And so my kids will enjoy life.
Just like I want them to enjoylife.
I don't want them to miss onmiss out on anything.
But to go back to your question,fifth, it is very important.
That's something that has helpedme.
I don't know if you can see itproperly.

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It says pray with trust.
So you gotta pray for it andallow things.
One thing I learned over theyears is patience.
You gotta be patient.
When you plant a tree, itdoesn't grow overnight.
I don't know.
I don't know about your cheese,the cheese that you played in
the us, but the trees usuallydon't grow overnight.

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As a matter of fact anotherthing I learned too, when you
plant the tree, the seed on theground, don't go the pocket to
see if it's, if it's working ornot, don't go remove the dirt.
Is it working now or is itworking?
No, don't do that.
So you got be patient and waitand trust that that tree's gonna
grow.
And then one day it's going tobe a big tree.

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You're going to enjoy thosefruits and you're going to have
fun.
Back again.
Fifth is something very, veryimportant.
And I think that's I'm not gonnasay it's the key to happiness.
But it's one of the keys.
It's not just one key way tohappiness.
There are multiple ones and yougotta put them together, find

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the best way.
And that key might not work forthat door.
And you gotta find the key.
That's gonna work for that door.
So sometimes you gotta bepatient while you still working
hard and working hard is anotherkey for another door.
I don't know if that makessense.
Okay.
There are not two keys patientsand working hard.
You don't just be patient andyou don't work.

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You see what I'm saying?
So if you find one, let's say ifI want a car.
And not just, okay, I want tocall, I want to call.
I'm going to be patient.
Even if, take me 50 years, Iwant to call, I'm going to stay
here, sit here and wait for mycar.
No, it doesn't work that way.
You go and sometimes save themoney for that car.

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You see what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Some things require action andsome things require patients,
you know, it just depends on,and sometimes you need to do
both at the same time ondifferent planes.
Of course.
And, and while you were talking,you reminded me the tree saying
that you have reminded me of asaying I've heard, which is the
best time to plant a tree is 20years ago.

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And the second, but the secondbest time to plant a tree is
today.
Right.
Basically saying like you shouldalready have something in the
works.
Don't put it off anymore.
Right?
Like if you want something togrow, you got to start right
now, you know?
yeah man, you, you just went,you set my mind on so many
different tangents sometimes todecide this one, to talk God

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discipline.
I mean, so let's just start withGod.
Cause that seems to be a bigpart of your life.
It seems like your step-momright.
Taught you about God, but do youever doubt God, do you ever
doubt that God is really thereand like what in your life has,
has given you.
Confidence that no, he is there.
He is.
There is someone on the otherend of this phone receiving

(40:00):
these prayers or at least, youknow, some of them or, or, you
know, I don't know.
I don't know what, what givesyou so much more confidence out
of like your own life and notjust, you know, the belief
system that you were handed?
Well the thing is, as youmentioned, it's just not, it's
not just handing it someone yougotta have your own.
Personal relationship with it.

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And me personally, I have had,have had multiple main
experiences that proved me thatGod exists.
I'm not talking about just,okay, God came, they came down
and I saw him physically, butin, in so many other levels that
prove to me that it existed.
And I can go back to as Imentioned earlier when I lost my

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mom I could have said, ah, God,does it exist?
Why did I do it?
Little kids, six year old kid,Lou lost his mom.
That's not fair.
God doesn't exist, or Goddoesn't love me.
But instead of saying that well,I, for sure I was sad for sure.
I probably was mad.
But that was, that was thebeginning of me learning that

(41:05):
lesson or studying to have thatrelationship with God.
So at the end, I no longer hadmoney.
So I was looking for somethingand, and who, who came, who
showed up?
It was God, I could have endedup in so many other little well
things that could have broughtme more problems, but God helped

(41:27):
me Not get involved in thosethings?
You know, usually when you mad,you tend to punch, you tend to
uh, do something.
And it's okay.
It's not that okay.
But a lot of people do it and Iunderstand that, but that's not
what God, God is.
Well, as I said, he's always outthere waiting for you to.

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Toward him, just other littlefish and he's not going to show
up the next day why he can he'she's he's he's God, he does
whatever he wants, but it's,it's a process.
Just like the tree thing.
You, you, you have, you have gotto have that faith, first of
all, Gastaut by having a littlefish.

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And then after that is going tosee, okay, you approached to me,
I'm going to show you, I'm goingto show you that I'm I'm there
and then it shows you somethingand you, you have a little bit
more fish and you approach themagain.
It's like guys, I think it's theactual law is the law in
physics.
Like let's say you add thatdistance.

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A one kilometer from me.
Okay.
If I want to get closer to you,I can do one step.
I'm one step closer to you,right?
And guess what?
You are one step closer to me.
You understand?
And I do another thing.
And more steps.
We, we, I take I'm closer andcloser and closer to you.

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Right.
You understand that.
But first of all, I had to havethat initial fear that okay.
If I take that one step okay.
You can even say to do thechallenge.
I I've heard people throwingchallenges at God just to see if
he he's already there.
If that's where you want to go,I'm not saying that's what you
should do or what they shoulddo, but some people have that

(43:14):
experience with If you really,if you truly exists, do that.
Well, God is he can decide,okay, I'm going to show you, I
exist.
I'm going to do that.
And then your mind is going tobe blown.
Mia, as I say, I have multipleexperience.
Not like literally that I'veseen God or that I've, I've
heard him things like that, butthroughout my life, little

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details and one thing I usually.
Take a as a, as an example,nature in general the creation
or there has to be creator.
Right.
I, I do understand that somepeople talk about big bang.
Well, who told you God, didn'tbig bang, right?

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Yeah, sure.
Right?
Yeah.
You, you weren't there, youdon't know that he could have
been that the big bang for God.
but the thing is you gotta havea little fish.
So it starts, everything startswith a little fish.
So if you don't have faith inanything, while you just it's,
it's not gonna work out, you canhave a faith in science.
A lot of people think science isagainst God know.

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I believe God said those laws,those laws in physics or in
chemistries.
One exam, I usually take a treeor a flower growing up a key.
You can see it's not Goddirectly miracle asleep ma made
the tree, but he made those howto say that those laws or those

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scientific equations, I don'tknow how you want to put it that
make the tree grow.
Right.
So that, that's how I see it.
And the thing is you, onceagain, just out a little tiny,
tiny fish, or just, if youprefer throw him a challenge
while it fair challenge thatdon't see, I'm gonna throw, I'm

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gonna jump off a bridge issuethere that that's not the kind
of challenge I'm talking aboutbecause That takes a little
thing.
That's that's not thatchallenge.
I'm talking about that as amatter of fact, that's against
God doing something to hurtyourself on purpose.
He's not, he's not gonna like,so don't do it.

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I don't know if I answered yourquestion, but sort of, yeah.
So I, I don't know.
I also have some sort of faith.
Whoever I'm interviewing to me,it feels like God put that
person in front of me, thinkabout how we met.
There's so many random factorsthat went into you and me
meeting and then me living withyou.
And then all of a sudden, youknow, like, obviously I've

(45:47):
messaged you in this case, butin general, I'm just.
To interview anyone.
And it just depends on people'sschedules and who is in my
existing network.
And sometimes it's a friend of afriend and I just kind of have
this feeling and it's more of afeeling right then like like the
real deal, like a proof.
But I have this feeling likewhoever I'm talking to this week

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on the podcast is like, God putthat person in front of me.
Cause it just feels socompletely like almost
randomized.
Not, not like once we knew eachother, it's not random, but
friendship that we've formed,you know, like one of my
friends, Blake, me and him arelike very close and we were
random roommates, you knowfreshman year, things like that.
So to me from your story is kindof what I'm taking apart is that

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after your, your real mom passedaway, the.
It felt to you like, God putyour step-parents in your life
for a reason, right?
Like that, that felt to you.
Like it, it was the people thatyou needed at that time.
And that someone, somethingbigger was going on, you know,
like, like something put, putthat situation together for you,

(46:56):
you know, for a purpose, for areason.
That's what, that's what youneeded to go through or the next
person that you needed to, totake care of you kind of is.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's exactly that inthere's a verse that says it.
I don't remember exactly what itis, but I'm going to try to
paraphrase.
It says all things work for thegood of those who believe in

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God.
So whether the situation is abad situation, I've been in so
many, a bad situation, but Ifeel like God, that allows.
To happen for me to learn thelesson or for me to meet
someone.
And that thing you said aboutmeeting people the way I see it
is that gadget really put thosepeople on your path for two

(47:38):
reasons.
It can be two reasons at thesame time.
The first reason is either thatperson's going to teach you
something at some point in yourlife or going to help you with
something in your life.
At one point, the second reasonit's either you who's going to
help that person in his life,going to whatever is going to,

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and God needed you at thatspecific spot or at that dorm
room or whatever it was to meetthat person.
So you can teach that person,that lesson or that person's
gonna teach you that lesson.
And a lot of times it's, it'sboth, you teach the person and
the person teach you.

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So that's usually how God.
And a lot of people talk aboutthose stars or those
coincidences or all kinds ofthings.
But a lot of people might getmad at me, but I think all those
things the, all those people aretrying to remove God from what
he's doing, which is excellentwork of using whether it's a

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friend of a friend or usingwhatever situation and that
situation, whether it's badright now.
But if you believe in God andtrust, trusting, You're going to
see that that was probably thebest thing whether it's a bad
situation, a bad thing thathappened is going to be at the
end of the day, being the bestthing, just keep focused on God,

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don't see the situation.
And a lot of times when you'rein a bad situation, you just see
dark in front of you.
You just see a wall you don'tsee around you.
And sometimes I advise peoplejust put that Goggle, that,
that, that Goggle that's gonnawell, it's, it's called a good
attitude, a positive attitude,and that that's the Goggle
that's going to help you see thereal deal, the real thing

(49:28):
happening.
And so of seeing just the wallin front of you, you just need
that, that Goggle.
Yeah.
Just the fact you've changedyour attitude and, and
everything's gonna work out forthe best A lot of times people
say that if you send positivityto space or whatever positive
energies, you're going to getpositive energy back.

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It's sort of true.
Because if you have faith in Godwash, obviously God's going to
answer it.
But if you don't have faith inGod, well, he's going to say,
well, you don't, you don'tbelieve what you want me to do.
So yeah.
It's true.
Yeah.
I don't think this is aChristian idea, but this kind of
reminds me of idea.
I heard once of it's calledsacred contracts is basically

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saying that like every personthat you interact with, like in
the spiritual world, before youcame to this plane of existence,
you had a contract with thatperson that you needed to carry
out.
So like for instance, you andme, we, it was set in stone
before we were even born.
Like you and me were supposed tohelp each other in some way.
And it's an interesting way ofviewing things because some

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people antagonize you.
Right.
But you need that person to be ahurdle that you overcome.
So, so you might have a contractwith somebody.
That either you need toantagonize them or they need to
antagonize you and it might seemgood, bad, you know, it might
frustrate you or whatever, butin the spiritual lens, if you

(50:53):
put a spiritual lens over it,it's like, no, the people that
antagonized you, you needed themas much as the people who helped
you.
Because, because, because justlike you saying about pushup,
right?
You need something to pushagainst.
You need you, if you're, ifyou're always up, if everyone
helps you in life, then you gotnothing to like grow from, you
know?
So that's just an interestingidea.

(51:15):
But another thing that youmentioned about, I think your,
your step-mom that that would beinteresting to talk about is, is
she instilled a lot ofdiscipline in you, right?
So what is some advice you, youmaybe give to the, the kids you
coach, or that you would give tosomeone that struggles with
discipline on, on how to, tohave like a disciplined life,
you know, or just a habitstruck.

(51:37):
That's disciplined.
Well one thing I'll telleveryone is it starts with you.
It's when you start beingconvinced that, okay, that's
what I need to do.
And that's when you're going tohave a good positive change in
your life.
If it's just people beating youto do it, to do it well, you're
going to do it for sure.
You might get some results, butthat's not the right result.

(52:01):
We want you, the thing is youget starts with you.
And for sure, I understand thatit takes 21 days to study new
habit or whether it's good orbad habit.
Let's see, my mom was beating meto do dishes for 21 days.
Maybe I start feeling wanting todo dishes, things like that, but
you got one point con tryconvince yourself, like, if you

(52:22):
are okay, why should I do that?
What's the good, what's the.
And a lot of times one thing Irealized about my parents is
that those things they wereforcing me or making me do work
good things.
Then that's when I was at wit,why am I against doing good
things?
What was wrong with me?
Well, that is going to help me.

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What should I do it?
I remember one thing I came homewith a bad report from school
and I got up, I got a nicewhooping and all that way.
It's my life.
It's my it's my report.
Why you beating me?
Then I realized a key, like insociety you got sometimes work
hard.
And the thing is, my mom knewit's because I wasn't working.

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I just want, I just want it toplay around and joke around at
school.
And so working hard to have thatgood grades.
And that's when I got thewhooping.
It's not, it's not just thehaving the bad grid, but it's
the process resulting in the badgrade.
So, and then that's when Irealized, okay, well, good
grades are good.

(53:27):
I mean, if you, if you workhard, as I mentioned earlier, if
you work hard and you did notachieve the goal, that's one
thing.
But if you just did not workhard, let's say you're doing
that podcast.
And everyday you just messingaround.
You're not taking thisseriously.
Not, well, you're not going togrow man, to get out of
discipline.
Find that convince yourself.
Okay, why should I do it?

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What's the good thing about it.
And then that's when you, whenyou realize the good thing, the
good result, that's when thediscipline will start making
sense.
I don't know if that makes senseto you that once you convince
yourself, that's good, I shoulddo that.
So that it starts right therethat, okay, it's good.
I should do it.
And then after that, you'regoing to have all the challenges

(54:11):
maybe one day, I'm not going tofeel too well to, to keep that
discipline.
But once you across that bridge,you like you force yourself to
do it where like you get thegood result, that good feeling
with I was not feeling well towork out.
I worked out and I feel greatnow.
Wow.
And then you just keep goingwith that and keep going and

(54:33):
keep going for sure.
You're going to have biggerchallenges, but it's the thing
is that you shouldn't be scared,was being scared.
Is human.
Well, the, what you should do isfight that scare.
Confronted face it, and thenyou're going to adjust.
See, it's just going to vanish.
I remember as a kid, I used tobe scared of the dark.

(54:56):
Then I realized, wait, what, whyshould I be scaled?
So I, I decided, okay I cannotgrow and be an adult and be
scared of the dog.
At one point I got stopped.
So I decided, okay, now I'mgoing to start.
and I started, and now I went inthe room and it was dark.
I was like, I'm not going to bescared.
I'm not going to be scared,things like that.
And other example I can give youis my, with my aunt who began

(55:19):
the, my mom's sister who adoptedme, my aunt, who became my mom
and not my step-mom.
I just wanted to clarify that.
And I realize we're at churchand I was very shy.
Well as a kid I was shy and mymom wanted me to go pay, not
pay, but give the, the Thai.
And I was shy.
Didn't want to do it.

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And she was like, go do it.
And then that's, when not when Istand to do it, I, I faced my
fear and that's when I run.
There was nothing to be afraidof.
And then I went and did it.
And that's actually, one thing Ilearned is that you got fished
your fear and whether it's thatshoe of being disciplined of

(55:59):
doing that good thing foryourself, you just got faced it.
And I use that.
And actually that helped methroughout the college.
Let's say you at a ball at theparty.
You see that nice looking girland you scared to go talk to
her.
One thing that I used to tellpeople just can't on three and
go on to you.

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See what I'm saying?
Then you say, okay, I'm gonnacount on three.
And then you go on to don'tthink about it.
Just go, right.
So if you're going to keep goingto 1, 2, 3 hour, you're going to
keep adding four or five, six,et cetera.
And then you're just going toconvince yourself not to do it.
Okay.
You count on three.

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So you want to, and you go, sothat's, that's something that
while you ha has yourgirlfriend, that's such a change
in topic.
She's good.
She's great.
She's in grad school right now.
Nice.
How's your wife.
I, you told me, I didn't know.
You had a wife.
Yeah.
We get married last August.

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So congratulations, man.
I had no clue.
Yeah.
I, I, I kept that as we say, Ilive with my girlfriends, and we
moved to Florida recently.
And so yeah, we have a dog.
Oh, it's beautiful.
It's beautiful.
Yeah.
Wait, so I was trying to, Imean, I have a lot of other

(57:23):
questions I asked you, but Iguess now you're asking me these
types of questions.
Like where do you?
No, no, no, no, I do.
I love it when people ask mequestions because I'm like
constantly asking the questionsand yeah, I'm not going to ask
myself questions, but I thinkthe audience audience likes back
and forth, but okay.
I had a lot, I have some like,like abstract type questions now

(57:47):
in my head we'll return to, butjust I'm here.
I am curious, like, where do youthink.
I live in Quebec.
It's well we can say state inCanada, actually, one of the, if
not the only French state wespeak French here, but in Quebec
I live in the Northern part ofQuebec, you know, Nova,

(58:09):
Virginia, and then there's Novain the Northern part of
Virginia.
So I live in that little in thelittle small town about maybe
20, 40,000 people.
Not a whole lot my littleaquarium as I put it.
But, yeah, it's, it's very cold.
That's one thing ad will notlike about it.

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But that's something that I'velearned to overlook.
I just, that winter seems to belike eight months out the year,
but other than that I've been,I've been very blessed to find
that little city where, as Imentioned earlier, I was praying
for a place walking grew as aperson and a spiritual et

(58:50):
cetera.
And that, that that's the placethat I found.
I came to a much real, I wasliving with my aunt for like two
months.
I didn't like it.
I did feel, I felt likesomething else was calling me.
I felt like I needed to get out,do something.
I didn't know what it was.

(59:11):
And then I was applying forjobs.
And then everywhere.
So some more true.
And then the first job the firstinterview we did and that those
guys were my, my boss it wasn'tthe money.
As a matter of fact the, whatthey offered me, I talked to my
dad about it was like, yo, youknow, you can make a lot more

(59:32):
than that with your, what youstudy, things like that.
but I wasn't seeing the money.
I felt like that's where I'msupposed to go.
And that city is calledValdosta.
in French, it was in English.
It means golden valley goldenvalley gold.
We have a lot of gold here inthe new, new I'm a golden boy
But I didn't know anything aboutit.

(59:53):
I tried to go on Google.
What is valid or where is validor how it's valid or who is
valid or things like that.
But couldn't find much.
And as I said, I've never beenhere before, but I decided I
took the bus well accepted thejob Even though they were not
giving me a whole lot of moneyI've never been there.
My boss actually helped me findthat studio apartment to live

(01:00:15):
And, and I took the bus with mybackpack, with my laptop in it,
me and my, my suitcase.
And, and I was like, yo, I'mready.
So I took the bus, I came here afive hour drive on the bus and I
got.
And I was like, okay, whatshould I do now?
Where do I go?

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What is that?
That's like a ghost town.
What is this?
But I even tried to use Googlemap and got lost.
I was like, if I keep going thatway, the time keeps going higher
and higher, so I should go theother way.
And I went the other way and Igot there just by walking 15, 20
minutes.
That's actually one thing Ireally like about this place.

(01:00:57):
It's like a small city.
You can walk almost everywhere.
Well, it's, it might take 20, 30minutes depending, but it's very
small.
You can walk, just walk and backthen I didn't have a car.
So that was perfect for me andmy to go grocery shopping.
It was like five minutes to goget the shoes was like 10

(01:01:17):
minutes.
So it was perfect for me withoutthe car.
So when I get to my studio, Isaw that little room.
There's the toilet here.
And then was just like a livingroom, basically with a kitchen
area and a toilet.
but when I got there, I fell inpeace, man.
I felt like a kid.
This is, this is home for me.

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That's where I'm supposed to be.
It's not big.
That's why I'm going to startand I'm going to stay focused.
I do have my mom here.
I do have my dad here.
It just, me being my own dadbeing my own mom.
I got cooked for myself.
I gotta do laundry.
I gotta do dishes.
I got, I got, well, I got tomake sure I enjoy myself.
And, and I used to watch I doenjoy watching sport soccer as I

(01:02:03):
mentioned earlier.
But one thing about me is that Ican't not sit still and watch
soccer or watch TV, and that'sactually begin my, I used to
take off that as a weakness andI turned that weakness into my
biggest, my biggest strengthever.

(01:02:23):
So what I started doing whilewatching.
I started just doing pushups.
Okay.
I cannot stay still what mysoccer game.
I'm going to do some pushups.
When I watched the NBA games,every, a little break.
Okay.
I do some pushups I can.
And then some people, when Iwould walk out on the streets,
some people will see are, why doyou work out?
What gym do you go to?

(01:02:45):
Who's your coaching like that?
And that gave me a lot ofencouragement.
I felt, I felt good.
Honestly, maybe my ego, my headgot bigger, but that encouraged
me.
Okay.
If just doing that whilewatching sport, doing something
else that I enjoy and I getthose results.
So I'm going to keep pushing up.
So I got me two dumbbells and,and I started doing my biceps

(01:03:08):
too.
And wow, you got a nice bicep,things like that.
And that.
Again, he's encouraging me.
And I just keep growing.
I got, after that, I got alittle bench and I got a, I got,
I got more and more and morejust keep going and going and
growing.
And then after that, well, as Isaid, I ended up needing to
leave that space to go to abigger apartment.

(01:03:31):
And I kept doing that samething, working out while
watching sport doing dishesfigure out the best time to, to
clean the house and do laundryand make my, I started making my
bed.
So I was, as I say, I became myown daddy.
I have my mom to tell me to dothat guy, be that guy, do this,
do that.

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And as I said earlier, thatdiscipline came when I figured
out, okay, those are goodthings, Ashley.
Why not do them.
So I started doing themsometimes probably forgot to
make my bed.
It's okay.
I know the next day I'm going todo it and I tried to do it the
next day.
So it's okay to fall.
It's just that when you fall,don't stay down.

(01:04:14):
Okay.
You gotta push yourself up to goback up.
All right.
So that's, that's what I starteddoing and, and doing and, and I
keep doing, and I'm sure that'swhat you're doing with your
podcasts, with your personalprojects, professional projects,
you might not get thereimmediately.
You might fall down.
Some people might tell you mightnot.
You're not going to get there,but don't listen to the noise

(01:04:36):
out there.
There's always going to begravity trying to pull you down,
you know, so you just gotta keeppushing up.
And that's why it's going togive you that strength.
And, and the thing about doingpushups, maybe the first time
you start doing pushups, youmight just do five, right.
But if you keep doing every dayor every two days, That five
pushups.

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You can do it.
You might eat, it's going to beat a 10 pushups.
And then one day you're going todo 20 pushups.
And then one day you're going todo 30 pushups.
So that's how you gain that,that endurance in life, whether
it's school, whether it's yourwork, today, you fall down.
Okay.
Just pick yourself up and getback on the horse as they say,

(01:05:18):
and then keep going, man.
That momentum right there.
dude, what?
It's just kind of blow my mind.
I'm in Tampa, Florida, a littlebit above and you're in Quebec,
Canada.
Yeah.
It's probably like 30 hours todrive straight upwards from here
to here.
Like it is summer eight, ninemonths out of the year here and

(01:05:41):
it's winter eight or ninemonths.
There we are in just completelydifferent climates.
It's so crazy.
I went down, you went up.
But it's okay.
It's okay.
Because one thing I learned,speaking of trees earlier is
that some trees need a coldwater and other trees need warm
weather.
So it's, it's all, you justgotta figure out what, what
count environment you need.

(01:06:01):
We don't have a lot of apples inHaiti.
Why?
Because Haiti is very, very hotand apple sometimes need cool
fresh air.
But we do have a lot of othertrees.
We have a lot of coconuts.
Maybe you have that.
Tampa bay, but up here inCanada, we don't have that every
little tree everything'sdifferent.

(01:06:22):
You just got to figure out what,what you need and then get it
for yourself.
And then you're going to see youjust going to keep growing and
growing.
And so you think that you thrivein the cold that it was better
for you?
Actually one thing I realized,and I'm not the most scientific
guy, but, and shine was right.
Coal is relative, right?

(01:06:43):
Temperature is relative.
So I find that out because whenI first got to Virginia, it was
in April, 2010.
I was wearing who D I wascalled.
And my dad, my family were inlike, t-shirts t-shirts
t-shirts.
I was like, yo, I coma I'mfreezing.
So, and I was wearing Cudi andthen that's when I, and I was

(01:07:04):
like, okay, You do you, I'mgoing to keep wearing hoodies.
And then when I got too muchreal, I was like, yo, that was
nothing back then.
And I thought that was cool.
Now it's cold.
And then I got five hours evenhigher up north and it's even
colder up here.
So I'm like, yeah, call hisrelatives.

(01:07:25):
but to answer your question it'snot just the temperature that
makes the environment.
It's not just two D or three Dlife is not three D or even for
the life.
It has so many dimensions in thespiritual realm that we don't
even know.
We don't even see.
It could be the fact that I'mhere just to meet some.
And I did that whole drive uphere to live here, just to meet

(01:07:49):
one person that I needed tomeet.
As you mentioned earlier, likethose contracts, I don't know,
maybe my next place will be inTampa, Florida.
But I remember one thing though,back in Haiti, I used to say we
never had snow.
I used to see, I want to assistno, I like Alex.
I used to sit in TV, but Iwanted to live it.
And then when I got to Virginia,I'll say, okay I just want to

(01:08:11):
see snow.
I don't know, shovel it, but,and then, and I was like, I like
snow.
I like seeing it fall.
And God took that little.
And send me an I'm here becausesomething, I said like five
years as a kid.
Well, as a younger, me and Godtook it literally.

(01:08:31):
Okay.
You said you like seeing snowfall, I'm put you in spot where
snow will fall almost every dayor like 3, 4, 6 months.
So enjoy.
So now instead of saying that Idon't like snow, I mean, I still
like seeing it for.
Now I'm seeing somethingdifferent, maybe actual have a,

(01:08:53):
a second house somewhere in thesouth.
So, so when, when I'm paired ofthat snow that I like seeing I
can go down south and just watchsnow on TV.
So that's, that's, that'sprobably my next goal.
So be careful what you wish foras the wisdom there.
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.

(01:09:14):
Does your wife only speakFrench, then she speaks a little
bit of English and we speakCreole.
We, we are Haitians.
We speak real.
Okay.
I think that's about it.
Okay.
So you guys are both Haitiansthen.
Okay.
But you met her there?
Well, we met we met at a churchin Montreal was Laval, but it's

(01:09:36):
module area and yes, she'sHaitian, but she was born.
Okay.
Okay.
That's wild, man.
Dude, your life is just sodifferent than mine.
Like just like obviouslyeveryone's life is different.
You could be different livesliving in the same house, but
just the fact that we just wentin opposite directions from

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Virginia still is just blowingmy mind, you know?
Yeah.
But I mean, you're not the onlyone who did that.
I think I know a few otherbrothers did that, but as I
said, everybody needs adifferent environment.
It's adjust the temperature.
It's not just the, the, the windblowing or if it's, it could be,

(01:10:17):
maybe you needed to see you.
You do like a.
I maybe I think more thananything people need change too.
I feel like it makes me sadsometimes to think of people
that don't go get newexperiences, you know, and
there's ways of getting that inyour hometown or in the same
town, but just taking your lifeand just putting it somewhere

(01:10:38):
else.
I mean, you have to adapt andgrow and change and alter.
Like, it's very, very good foryour self-growth I think.
You need to constantly bechallenging yourself and pushing
yourself and doing those pushupsand just tossing yourself in a
new area is like an automaticway to just force yourself to

(01:10:59):
grow.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yes.
Sometimes you got, gotta forceyourself to grow.
If you keep doing the same thingover and over it, while you're
not going to learn new things,you're not going to do a new
thing.
So you gotta force yourself todo it.
So one thing that we haven'ttalked about yet is, is you kept
telling me that you want to openup a gym or something.

(01:11:19):
So you, you have your career.
Right.
And then the coaching stuff iskind of like on the side, right?
That's not, the coaching is notyour job, right?
Well, the coaching is more likeit's first of all is is a hobby.
I do enjoy doing that.
it's my passion.
But that's not what paid thebills, unfortunately, and I
don't want it.
I don't know if I want it to paythe bills either.

(01:11:40):
I don't want to have that stressto gnocchi.
I got coach, I got coach to makemoney.
I got coached to make money.
No I wanna, that's what I wassaying earlier.
I want to be more.
Financially.
So I can be, have more time todo what I love doing, which is
coaching.
And I will love to be able totravel and coach different and
go to different.
Well, that's probably anothergym of mine to go to different

(01:12:04):
conferences and talk to peopleabout my life.
Even write a book, how I camefrom being a often and often
Haiti to become who I am now andhopefully my own kids, my own
family, those things.
So I want to be able to travelin and let people know that
what, what you see in front ofyou, this is not.

(01:12:24):
If there's, there's somethingbeing good in that in that wall
in front of you, if you can justclimb it and go over it, the
sky's the limit, as I say.
And, and sometimes as you putit, you got to change where you
add, you gotta either changeyour, your, the location
physically.
But one very important thing isyou got change the mindset to

(01:12:48):
That's where it plays out inyour mindset.
So if you have the same mindsetof a kid, when you're a kid,
obviously you are doing kidsstuff, right?
Which is correct because you'rea kid you are taking as a kid,
you are talking as a kid, butnow you are you who you are now,
you can be doing the same kidstuff, crying tossing things.
I don't know what you were doingas a kid.

(01:13:09):
I'm just, I'm just sayingthings.
I should stop talking now.
But yeah, I shouldn't be doingthe same kid starving you are
doing because you're not in thatphase anymore.
You like, you are this wage gap.
Do that, those things.
Now you got change the mindset.
It's not, I mean, you stillgoing to be the same.

(01:13:30):
I'm still the same guy in thesense that I do enjoy.
I do care for people.
I love people at the one on thetell a few jokes to break the
ice.
But at the end of the day, Atchange, the whole thing out.
Wanna like with my, all theskills I have, I wanna like tell
the jokes, but yeah.
To have a lesson behind thatjoke at the same time.

(01:13:52):
And, issue.
Like you can just stay on thesurface, but you just think
about the words I say, it's notjust one dimension word.
It's it's multi dimension.
I usually try to talk.
I said earlier riddles, I mean,you can consider as riddles, but
it's more like two, threedimension words.
It's not like just little words.

(01:14:14):
I mean, it does have a littlemeaning to, for sure.
And if you take it literally,well, you going to have a little
result out of it, but you shouldtake it in order ways.
You're going to get all theresult too.
And that's one thing I learnedabout the Bible.
The Bible is, first of all, is aspiritual book.

(01:14:35):
You can write.
With your own eyes arenaturally, and they have good
stories in it.
But those stories, there arereason the written and
especially in the old Testament,all those things may have
happened in literally naturally.
But those things, all likestories that I'm living right

(01:14:56):
now in the spiritual realm and,and the thing I bought the
Bible, and you might agree withme and you might say I'm
completely wrong, but it's okay.
We all are entitled to our ownopinions.
But one thing I realized aboutthe Bible is that it's, it's
more like a guide, a manual tolive life.

(01:15:18):
For sure.
Allow things.
If you're looking at.
Naturally, or literally theymight not make sense.
You might say, oh, that personwas weak for doing that.
But he, he had some other kindof strengths that help him do
that.
And as I was mentioning earlier,allow stores, There's the whole

(01:15:38):
story about Moses who got that?
Those people out of Egypt fromslavery in Egypt and in the
spiritual realm for me, it'slike me.
Getting out my own slavery or myown way of doing things my own
way of seeing things and to getmyself out of that and try to
see things differently, to havemore freedom mentally,

(01:16:00):
spiritually, that that's why Isee it.
And there are so many otherstories.
It just, that you gotta find outhow it's gonna re relate to you,
not just on a natural physicallevel, but on spiritual level.
the thing that I'm mostimpressed with the Bible and,
and just religion in thetraditions, I think you're kind
of getting at, which is there'sdeeper, meaning packed into the

(01:16:25):
traditions and the sayings andthe stories that, a right, these
meanings could be passed downthrough generations, without
someone knowing, right?
So say like your, yourgrandfather understood the
meaning.
He might tell your dad thestory, your dad might not get
the meaning, but he just tellsyou the story and then there's
meaning there for you to grabonto.

(01:16:47):
So it doesn't matter if noteveryone gets it, it doesn't
matter sometimes.
Right.
That's interesting to me.
And then also there seems to bemeaning packed into the stories
that you might not evenconsciously understand, but It's
like your spirit understands or,or something within you, it
unlocks something within you.
That means something right.

(01:17:09):
the power of a story is that wesee, like you were saying you
view that as the the Israelitesgetting out of Egypt as like
symbolic of, of you getting outof Haiti, right.
Or, or something in your ownlife.
We, we, we tend to attachourselves to the main characters
in stories and you know, we tendto think, what, what would I,

(01:17:29):
what would I do in thatsituation?
Or, or, you know, and in acertain way, it allows, even if
we don't realize it, it allowsus to gain wisdom, learn
lessons, without even realizingit without even, without even
understanding it.
You know?
So it's super interesting that,that we don't even need to.

(01:17:49):
Fully understand the wisdom thatwe're gaining sometimes, you
know, just by telling stories toeach other, because it's
entertaining.
Right?
I mean, it's, it's, if you wantto think about the meaning, I
mean, that's, that can beboring, but to tell a cool
story, it's just entertainment,but you walk away with something
deeper and like you said, ithits it.
It.

(01:18:10):
It helps you grow in differentdimensions that you don't even,
you don't even need to be awareabout, you know?
Sure.
But unfortunately, as I said,some people just stay on the
surface.
They don't go different.
The thing is, I think I heardthat story about Titanic what
made the Titanic sank.
It wasn't that little piece ontop that they saw, but the

(01:18:32):
bigger iceberg was, well, thebigger part of the iceberg was
on the bottom of the ocean.
Like it was, it was just whatyou saw on the surface, but also
what's on the surface is part ofthe bigger part.
The bigger part is, was at thebottom.
So a lot of times people justsee the little, the Sur what's

(01:18:54):
on the surface and they juststayed there, but you gotta go
deeper than that sometimes.
Yeah, man to switch the topic wewere talking about just how
enthusiastic you are and howyou're good at encouraging
people.
Right.
And that's something that I'mtrying to work on because I've
just recently kind of realizedthat, you know, with my podcast,

(01:19:17):
every episode is like anopportunity for me to like,
encourage someone, like bringthem up a little bit, and I'm
doing that a lot in thisepisode.
Right.
But you're also.
It's it's, it comes easier foryou than, than with everyone,
right?
Like someone who comes into thisepisode who's maybe doesn't
think highly of themselves or isdepressed or something, you
know, it's harder to pull thatperson up, you know, it's easier

(01:19:39):
for me to compliment you.
Right.
But do you have any advice on,on how to encourage people, how
to be the kind of person thatcan instill greatness and
others, because I'm, I'm seeingsome trends here, you know,
like, I think your enthusiasm,and like you said, you can be
funny and packing, meaningwithin, you know, the jokes, but
like, how is that something thatI could learn how to do?

(01:20:02):
Or is that something that thatyou are it's something that
comes with your intuition.
That's like part of yourpersonality.
Well, while it's a little bit ofboth, I want to say and the
example I can take is I'm goingto take two soccer players.
I'm going to take MSCI, and I'mgoing to take Ronaldo the both
grid players.
But if you look at Messi, you'regoing to see he was born with

(01:20:25):
that talent.
And if you look at Ronaldo, heworks for that talent.
And in life, we need to be thatthose two persons combined, yes,
you have that talent, but yougot to work on it.
You gotta keep working on it andthat little talent.
And once again, I go back topushup.
That little talent is going tobe, keep working at it.
It's going to be bigger talent,bigger, bigger, bigger talent.

(01:20:48):
So it's not got that snowballeffect, but.
Do anything with that talent?
You just ask people say, youjust waste that talent,
unfortunately.
So the advice I'll give to you,and I've already said it just
keep at it, man.
Just keep pushing.
You might, ah, after the podcastyou might say to yourself, ah,
that's the advice actually, I'vegot that Ashleigh, given that

(01:21:09):
person.
That's the thing I should havesaid, but keep that in your
back, you know, in your head forthe next time you might not, you
don't know, maybe there'll be anext person and that.
It might not be the exact samewords, but the same concept.
And I'm sure you've used a lotof those things that you've said

(01:21:29):
to other people in general inlife to tell me right now, too,
it's not just that all of asudden everything comes in place
and you're telling me all thosegreat stuff you're saying it
comes with experience becauseyou did the first episode, you
did a second episode and youlearn from those things and keep
learning.
And then one day uh, well, I'mnot going to say you're going to

(01:21:50):
stop learning.
That's that's the lie alwayskeep learning and.
Well, one thing I, I do enjoy isI don't know how to say it.
It's not just the result.
It's the process of getting thatresult.
It's enjoying what you're doing.
And as I mentioned earlier, I'vealways loved people.
I've always enjoy tellingwhether it's a joke.

(01:22:13):
If I see Nico you feeling down,I'll try to find a joke or even
do something silly.
Some people will say, are youstupid?
I don't care.
Like if that, if that gives alaugh from someone or a smile
from someone just that positiveenergy, and I've gotten that a
lot, that a lot of people justby the way I talk or the way

(01:22:34):
back then, the way I sit stupidstuff, just say stupid stuff.
And they think I'm stupid.
It's okay.
Should think that.
But I did.
I had the higher purpose when Isaid that stupid things and you
probably don't see it, but I seeit.
I know it.
And a lot of times people tendto get stuck in what people

(01:22:55):
think of them or what people sayabout them, things like that.
But the only one, I'm not gonnasay the only thing that matters
is what you think aboutyourself.
But that has a very importantpart of where you're going to
get in life.
If you keep taking a boat, ifyou, the only thing that matters
is how people see you or whatwe'll see about you.

(01:23:15):
You're not gonna get far in lifebecause there's always going to
be some people to say negativethings just to stay negative
things because the negativepeople.
the other thing about it, forsure, every little negative
things you got to be the judgeyou got.
Get out of your body and silkythat negative thing that person

(01:23:36):
see, does it have a good part?
Does it have a bad part?
Okay.
What's the good out of it.
Let's see I make a beat and forsure.
I'm not the best BitMaker andfor sure, some people will say
that's a nice bit and otherpeople will say, okay, that,
that little uh, piano, I thinkit's too high.

(01:23:56):
And it's my job to analyze whatthat person see.
is it really too high or isthat, that person ears too low?
Okay.
I'll say someone was saying Hey,you're you talk too fast and the
other person who you are yousure?
I talk too fast?
Or is it you listening too slow?

(01:24:18):
Yeah, that can be arrogant, butI'm not saying you should be
arrogant, but you got analyzethings.
Okay.
Is there something positive inthat negative thing that person
say I cave.
There's Ben cred.
I take that even though it'ssomething negative, but you get
something positive out of it.
You see what I mean?
It's like that negative timesnegative gives you positive

(01:24:39):
right in math.
So that's what you gotta do foryour own for yourself.
As soon as we started thisinterview, it was something that
can't be learned.
Like you just had a certainenergy level to you.
Right.
And it, it gave me energy.
I'm like, whoa, like none of myguests not to hate on any of
them, but none of my guests havecome in with this, the level of

(01:25:00):
energy that you had.
I don't know, like no one canmatch this.
Just.
Excitement or something, and I'mtrying to theorize what it is.
I, I feel like maybe you're morein touch with like your inner
child or something.
Maybe that's why you're good atcoaching.
Not to say you're childish, butI'm saying like you said, you
have a lot of discipline in, youcan wrap wisdom in it, but you
also, you have the enthusiasm ofa kid or something at times, you

(01:25:24):
know, I don't even know what youwere saying.
I'll go listen to it again.
But it was, it was the level ofenergy that, that you started
this conversation off that justkind of, like I said, it hit me
like some, some caffeine.
Right.
And then.
You know, I, I started thispodcast to learn for my startup
company.
And then it turned into like,no, I just want to do this for

(01:25:45):
fun, you know?
Or, or just like, not put alabel on what it was.
And so I think it's been kind ofhard for me to break away from
the serious, like, I, it used tobe like I needed to learn in
every episode, so it was veryserious.
And then now it can be whateverI want it to be.
And I'm like, I obviously I wantto ask questions and be the
interviewer and be serious, butI'm like, I don't know.

(01:26:06):
Like I also just want to havefun with someone and record that
and bring that level of energy,you know?
So that's something I reallyappreciate about, I don't know
what you bring to the table.
And um, I would like to emulatethat more, you know, I would
like to just bring anunprecedented level of fun
energy to every conversationthat the listener is just like,
whoa, I love listening to thisguy.
Like I love, I imagine that.

(01:26:29):
Thing for this podcast would befor people to listen to it in
the gym.
It doesn't have to be aboutlifting weights or, or fitness,
but it should be that I want itto be the type of podcast you
put it on in the gym and youfeel like you can do anything.
Right.
Yeah.
And I feel like this, thisepisode was like one of the best
as far as like you know, just adose of like, you can do it,

(01:26:50):
pick me up pushup.
Right.
Kinda, kind of, kind of.
And it was just, it was just theright.
It just hit a certain frequencythat I've, I feel like I've been
looking for just have the rightkind of energy, you know?
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I appreciate that.
Thank you.
Thank you.
But you, you said somethingearlier, I, it to come and well,
I wanted to let you finish.
That's something I'm trying tolearn and practice letting

(01:27:13):
people finish what?
Starting to time, because I getso excited.
I'm like, yeah.
But yeah, I'll let you finish.
But you said you wanted to.
If you want it to email it that,but the thing is you halfway
there just knowing what you wantis affidavit.
The other part is, is, well, I'mnot gonna say it's easy, but
just work toward that thing.

(01:27:34):
Once again, just that law Imentioned earlier, you, you want
a car?
Don't just sit and wait for thecar.
You walk toward the car.
Like if you will, as I saidearlier, that let's say you want
a meter away from me.
Like, if I want to get closer toyou, don't walk the other way.
Just to walk closer, like stepat a time.
You want to get that?

(01:27:54):
Just try to do it every now andthen remind yourself, oh, I
should do that.
Do that.
So you gonna get there.
And one day as they say, justgoing to be like second nature
and me obviously did not come.
Why some people might say cameeasy, but I had to work on it.
I had to, sometimes I get soexcited and that, and when I sit

(01:28:15):
things, all the words come outat the same time.
I'm like, I don't, I don'tunderstand it, but it's okay.
Sometimes I speak fast and I'mnot saying you listen too slow.
That's not what I'm saying, butI do have to work on myself on
that part and just chill.
And I know you excited, bro, butjust making sure.

(01:28:37):
That message.
Get a cross because with allthat excitement, if the message
doesn't get across well, I mean,you're not going to get that
result, so yeah.
So yeah, sometimes you're goingto see me like bro chill, I'm
chill, but yeah, I got to remindmyself, but you, you gotta do
the same, but maybe on your way,just like me, I came up north I,

(01:28:59):
I went to Canada and you wentdown.
So right now I need to tellmyself, chill like, well you too
excited.
So you guys say the opposite,you get excited, be happy, but
yeah.
Thank you man, for seeing that.
Appreciate it.
And the second thing I was goingto say about that, well, It
doesn't have to be uh, as thosepeople say once, once in a

(01:29:22):
lifetime thing, well, we can tryto do that.
Maybe what I can not promiseonce a week or once a day, but
maybe we can try that, not thatday or see how it goes.
Like, just talk I'm sure.
Uh, You have other questions forme.
This is not all the questionsyou have, but we can try that
another time and see and keepthat excitement going.

(01:29:45):
I'm for sure.
I'm going to learn from you.
And I'll try to bring somethingup to the table that you can
probably learn, or I'll eventell you a joke that you can
laugh.
So that, that will be, so Idon't want to put you
necessarily on the spot, but doyou have a.
Oh, yeah, that was a joke.

(01:30:10):
Yeah.
But yeah, you laugh.
So that's my job, even beforetelling the joke, but right now
I cannot dig.
That's fine.
That's fine.
I got a rule.
Like don't, don't ask, don't askmy guests anything right.
That they can't answer.
But sometimes then they saysomething like that, like I've
had guests be like, Hey, I justread this book.

(01:30:31):
And I'm like, oh, what was itabout?
And they're like, oh, I don'tknow.
I don't remember.
Or something that I'm like,well, don't, you know, well,
don't tell me you read it then.
Yeah.
Oh, sure.
But you're fun without tellingjokes, man.
You don't, you don't need thejoke.
Yeah, that was my point.

(01:30:52):
Without telling you a joke.
I wasn't listening, listening.
It's hard.
I was just like you, right.
I would just run my mouth allthe time.
And then when I started doingthe podcast, I was like, oh
shit, I got to listen more.
You know, not just wait untilit's your time to talk, but
really absorb what the otherperson is saying.
And really because the listener,if the interviewer doesn't

(01:31:15):
actually listen to what you'resaying is really obvious.
It's really obvious, you know,if I just change the subject
here and there, and I'm not likeacknowledging, you know what
you're saying?
So wait, did we talk about thegym though?
I don't know if we ever talkedabout it but I don't think so,
but.
I mean, I don't think you'vedone it yet.
Right.
But one of my goals is to openup a gym some day and you've

(01:31:38):
been telling me one of yourgoals is to open up a gym.
So I guess let's just start withlike, why, why do you want to
open a gym?
Well first of all, one thing Irealized is that my life is a
gym.
Life in general is a gym in awar.
I know if we can just put alabel saying in the spiritual
world or real that my life is agym, but don't allow people.

(01:31:59):
And I'm personally was guilty ofthat saying that I cannot go to
the gym.
It's too expensive.
Or can I go to the gym?
It's too far.
I used to find all kinds ofexcuses and I'm really good at
finding excuses.
That's actually my second beststill, but yeah.

(01:32:19):
So I realized that anywhere I'mat that should be my gym for
sure.
I'm probably not going to havethe best equipment, but one
thing I realize, as I mentioned,living in my studio apartment or
my other apartments there, I wasdoing exercises.
I got, I got a little friendthat came to.

(01:32:42):
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
That's so cute.
I'm going to have to show mygirlfriend this clip.
Well, I might need the copy ofthis clip too.
So I think we we had a goodsynergy going on.
All right.
Papa is a busy.
Okay.

(01:33:03):
All right, bye.
That.
I have, I have a little dog too.
I have like a four or five poundMaltese.
I don't know that, that guy,well, what little white, white,
white, fluffy dog.
She's very fluffy, but we had toshave her.
And she's a pompom, you know,those very energetic.

(01:33:25):
Maybe that's where I get.
I got my energy.
Well, yeah, well we're a thirdyear, but I get the gym.
So yeah, as you can see behindme, My little bike.
So I, I try to do every now andthen and I have like dumbbells
in the room back there.
But to go back to what I wassaying earlier, I used to find

(01:33:45):
excuses, whether it's money,whether whatever it was, then I
wanted to.
Help people especially for themoney part.
And I want it to have somethingthat's that's free, but
everybody's telling me it cannotbe free.
You can maybe add a discount,maybe like really like a price

(01:34:05):
very, very low, but it cannot befree.
And that's that little debate Ikeep having with myself because
me I've always wanted it to befree.
So I still kind of want it to befree, but I do get where people
are coming from.
It cannot be free.
Like that place.
I got paid for it, theequipments I got paid for them,

(01:34:28):
et cetera, et cetera.
But I just don't want people tohave that excuse saying add
money to go work out.
That's.
That's why I don't want, I usedto use that.
Excuse.
All the time in a lot of peoplehave it.
They use it that, that excuse,and I don't want them to use
that excuse to say it's tooexpensive to go to the gym.

(01:34:48):
So that's why I wanted it.
I want it to be free, but.
I get it.
I was, the bills got paid.
So and right now I'm not readyfor that yet.
a lot of times friends peoplethat I know they come here and
if they are interested, that'sanother thing.
I don't want to force anythingon anybody.

(01:35:10):
If you're interested, you cometo me while I'm more than happy
to show you what worked for.
It might not work for you.
I'll tell you that in advance,it might not work for you, but
we'll try to figure out what'sgoing to work for you.
We all different, we all needdifferent type of environment.
Some people need warm.
Some people need a lot of wateror the people don't need water.

(01:35:32):
Like in me, I didn't need any, Ididn't need someone to tell me
work at work.
I just want it to work out.
It just came, I guess,naturally.
But well, I, I shouldn't saynaturally because when I was a
kid, I used to see my cousinsworkout and not, I was nine
years old and I wanted to workout with them.
They were like 15, 16.

(01:35:52):
That's why, why I'm not tootall.
I'm short.
Like I did too much.
I lived too much weight backthen at nine year old.
But anyways I don't want peopleto use, to find excuses any
excuse you can give me.
I want to like find that, getthat excused.
Throwing the trash.
You don't have money.
Okay.

(01:36:13):
Try it.
It's three.
You do have a, I don't know,like any excuse people want to
throw at me.
as I said, me personally, I knowI'm very good at finding excuses
and excuses on not going to getthe work done.
You can find a thousand, athousand million excuses not to
do something, but try to findthat one reason to do it.

(01:36:35):
And you're going to seeeverything change.
So that's what, that's why Iwanted to open the gym.
And it's not just the gym, theworking out part.
I want people to feel.
To feel safe and not justworking out, but to feel safe in
a sense to feel free, likewhether it's working out or

(01:36:56):
whether it's making beats, beingwhatever you, not too good at
feel free to bring, come here.
Uh, Well, when now the gym, orwhen you have it, maybe it's
going to be you.
I'm just going to help you outwith that.
Just wants you to have whateverit is you want.
You're not good at all.
You want to do whatever goal youset for yourself, whether it's

(01:37:16):
professional goals or personalgoals, whatever it is, working
out goals, et cetera, et cetera.
I wanna be able to be there andhelp you find that little detail
that you missing that littlecomma or that little period or
that exclamation mark, whateverit is that you need.
I wanna help you find that outand then just set you free and

(01:37:39):
then you're going to go out anddo big, big gangs.
And one thing I usually say isthat me personally, the reason
I'm here is because many peopleopened doors for me, and now I
want to open doors for others.
I want to like open doors and,encourage you to be what you
want to be.
And then once you get.
The only thing I'm asking fromyou do not forget all the people

(01:38:03):
around you that need thathelping hand.
I want you to get there.
You are that door that needs tobe open for others.
So.
Once again, people open doorsfor me.
Now I'm here.
I don't wanna be selfish andenjoy all the AC for myself
inside.
I wanna even if a little crackin the window, I want to open it

(01:38:24):
and say, come in or open doorsand come in and be free.
That's, that's something I wantto do.
And that's not just, as I said,not just working out.
I personally I like music.
I'm not the best, the mosttalented musician, but I know
one thing for sure.
If I keep working on my, thatlittle skills that I have few,

(01:38:46):
if I keep pushing up, it's goingto be there.
It's going to be there.
He's going to be there.
And one day maybe I might blowup.
You never know.
You might hear me on the radio.
so yeah, that's it.
In fact, so what it can be in ain art or it can be working out.
I want to have that space wherepeople feel safe to come and

(01:39:08):
develop and grow.
So that that's about it.
That's the final sentence.
Go ahead.
That's great, man.
I mean, I also get very excitedabout certain pieces of
technology, but it boils down tothe same thing too.
I think I can leveragetechnology and use it, but for
the same reasons, man, I want tocreate a place where people go

(01:39:29):
and improve themselves.
And I feel like school issupposed to be that sometimes
church is supposed to be that,and gyms can be that, but Yeah,
we don't have enough of thoseplaces.
We don't have enough communitybuilding and, and areas where
people really feel comfortableto go grow as a person and be
encouraged.
And, and, you know some of the,some of the best times of my

(01:39:53):
life have been in places likesoccer camps and, and, and
organize athletics and, fitnessrelated commute, like, you know,
I go to the gym and I work outon my own, but to think of you
as a coach and stuff, you know,that I I've been kind of
yearning for an athletic team orsomething to join, because I
haven't had that in a while.
And, and that's really wheretrue.

(01:40:14):
I feel like growth occurs iswhen you are.
Pushing yourself in the face ofa physical challenge then you're
growing, you know, mentally,spiritually communally, all of
that.
When you're, pushing yourself toovercome some sort of physical
goal it just helps you in everycorner of your life.

(01:40:35):
Right?
It's, it's just tremendouslytransformative.
Yeah, for sure.
For sure.
And, and we're people are tooaddicted to their phones and to
video games and, and you knowwhat I'm saying, and to working
and, and there's, you know,there's too many things that are

(01:40:55):
grabbing our attention thesedays, and it's too easy to, to
ignore your fitness and toignore these things.
So I.
I don't know, man, I relate.
So obviously I want to open agym too.
So I just relate so heavily toeverything you just put out
there, man.
That is one of the best goalsyou can have.
It's such pure good intentionthat something good is going to

(01:41:16):
come of it, man.
Even just saying that on thispodcast, I think it's going to
change people's lives just tohear it.
I mean, I don't even get thatmany views or listens, but the
people that listen to this andthe people who make it all the
way here, they're, you know, it,they're going to feel inspired.
They're going to feel likethey're going to question their
own goals.
Why do I just want to makemoney?

(01:41:37):
Why don't I want to change theworld?
Like wheezy?
You know?
I mean, it's powerful stuffyou're saying, you know?
Yeah.
But, but the thing is, I mean, Iget that money mix thing
happened if I had, if I had themoney, my owl I've already had
the gym, but unfortunately Idon't have that money and I want

(01:42:01):
them to be able to be I don'twant to sound greedy or arrogant
at all.
But I wanna be free financiallyto be able to help as much as I
want to help.
I have that big, like wah, wah,I want to help, but I feel like
I, I'm still a slavery of havingto pay, well, I do gotta pay

(01:42:22):
bills, which is normal, but I dowant to be able to do more of
the money that come in and Iwant to help people.
And obviously if I was makingmore money, as I said, I will
probably be out or we have thegym and we probably could have
had the.
More things for sure.
Wish money.
I'm sure that might cost money.
That headset costs money.

(01:42:42):
But at the end of the day, it'snot the money that we, we want
to chase.
it's helping others and thatthere's a greater benefit to it,
to it's not just being richsaying, oh, you're rich.
But knowing that you help peoplethat's that I think that's more
than being rich.
And you don't need to be rich tohelp people with your podcast.

(01:43:04):
Just starting it with, eventhough if it's a, even if it's
two, three listeners, I'm suresomeone will take something out
of it and go out and be inspiredand maybe.
It may even be rich with it.
And if you want, but just thefact that you inspired someone,
I think that's, a good thing.

(01:43:25):
So keep at it, man.
Keep inspiring people.
You will actually I don't knowif I mentioned that before you
have inspired me.
I've saw something in you backin back at GMU.
And I see that little light.
Just keep it, let it, let itshine as they say keep, keep how
do I say that?
Right, but keep putting, keepfeeling it, keep putting gas, a

(01:43:47):
little gas, little, whatever youneed to, to, to make that little
fire, that little parks to makeyou grow a bigger, keep, keep
feeding it.
Keep, well obviously withpositivity and.
Those critics you're going tohear, as I said earlier, analyze
it.
I, someone let's say, say thatdidn't like your voice.

(01:44:10):
Maybe it's the mic.
Get a better mic.
As you told me earlier, makesure you have a good mind.
I could said, oh your watchsaying like, my mic is not good
for you, but no, it's find thatpositivity in those critics, in
those negative things.
And just keep, keep feeding thatlion in you or the good line.

(01:44:30):
As you know, in, in all of usthere, like two lines fighting
each other, the good one and thebad one.
And some people call it the yingyang.
The line you feed more.
If it's the good one, thenthat's the one that's going to
be more powerful and eat the badone.
But if you keep feeding the badone, whether it's with what you
watching, if you keep watchingdramas on TV, keep watching

(01:44:53):
those desperate.
Ha I don't know if it'sdesperate Haskell, but those
dramas TV shows.
Yeah.
You'll, you'll tell you you'lltend to Being like them, because
that's what you see.
That's what you feedingyourself.
Even unconsciously.
You're going to start being likethem.
even without knowing it, butwatch those positive things.

(01:45:15):
let's say you can even listen toa podcast.
See what did he do well, or whatdid he did not do?
Well, one thing I had thoughtone of my kids is no two ways to
learn from someone.
You can see that person dosomething really good that
everybody enjoy, or like, we'lllearn from that saying, okay,
I'm going to do that good thingto or the other way to learn

(01:45:38):
from that person.
You see them do somethingterrible or variable.
Okay, tell yourself I'm notgoing to do that thing.
So that's two ways to learn fromsomeone And what, what was I
saying?
Oh yeah.
Keep feeding, positivity, keepfeeding.
What's good.
Keep watching or listening thegood stuff and those things at

(01:46:00):
the end of the day, even whenyou sleeping, it might, it might
do a big bang while you'resleeping.
I don't know about you.
I've had many times when Isleep, let's say I have
something in my head.
That's bothering me.
well, I, I pray on it and I goto sleep and a lot of times our
cup of the answer and it's likethe big bang while I was asleep.

(01:46:25):
And I remember back at JMU, Iwas working on a, on a PA
programming.
Assignment and there is a, an, Iuse that term a lot colon or
semi-colon because what I waswriting, there is a little
error, simple error as asemi-colon, as you know, in a
programming assignment can throwoff completely that thing.

(01:46:46):
Well, my problem was a greatersign, you know, there's a
greater sign and then there's aless sign.
Well, I got those two mixed up.
And so I put in a greater sign.
I put the other one, or I don'tremember if it's the versa and,
and I couldn't get the result.
And I read the whole code fromtop to bottom, I couldn't find
it.
I was like, okay, I'm going toleave that.

(01:47:08):
I'm going to go home.
I'm going to sleep on it.
As I say, and then while I wasasleep, I was like, that's it
that's that thing, you know,they look similar, right?
They look very similar.
When, when you reading, you justsee it, you know, sometimes you
don't pay attention to thatlittle detail, but the detail
that's where it's at, man.
That's.
Whoa, you gotta focus on thegood details though.

(01:47:32):
So when I was asleep, I woke up,I was like, okay, that's it.
And then the next day I did it.
And then that solved my problem.
one of the reasons I named this,the drive program instead of the
drive podcasts, you know,there's several, I haven't
talked about this in a minute,but I like to talk about
computer programming because ofmy app, right?
Yeah.
I also like to talk aboutfitness programming, right?

(01:47:54):
I also like the name of a show,you know, they used to call it
like a program back in the day,like a TV show.
This is kind of like a TV show,but also I want this to be like
the code that when someonelistens to it, right, this is
like, I want these conversationsto be the perfect frequency of,
of you listen to it.

(01:48:15):
And it inspires you and educatesyou and motivates you to be the
best version of yourself.
Right.
Yeah, I'm, I'm constantly tryingto like have these
conversations.
They get someone to share what,and usually just talking about
what you're passionate about isthe best thing someone hears
that, and it's just the bestthing for them.
Right.
and it's.

(01:48:37):
The perfect thing for theirbrain.
Like you said, it's, it's notreality TV.
It's not a horror movie.
It's not rap with cousin.
It, you know, or, or, you know,like, it's not like it's, it's,
it's not just positive either,but it cause it's some reality.
Right?
We talked about some hardshipsthat you went through too, but
it's, it's, it's it's realityand it's the, the right

(01:48:59):
frequency to make someone go,no, I want to change.
I want to be better.
I want to, I'm want to be thebest version of myself that I
can be.
I want to be more like wheezy.
I want to be more like Tom I'mfeeling inspired.
I'm feeling like.
It is positivity.
It is confidence.
It is just a dose of, of you cando it and, and, the type of

(01:49:19):
words that we're saying rightnow, they're the right frequency
for people to digest and, and tolive their best.
That's what I believe to livetheir best life.
I think I hope.
And that's what I hope.
So at least, you know, well, Imean, that's what it is.
And as I said before, keep atit, man.
I'm proud of you.
I'm very, very, very proud ofyou back.

(01:49:42):
And I, I don't want to say I'mjealous of you, but I want to be
more like you I wanna put myselfout there.
And a lot of times I even tellmyself my voice is weird.
My voice has too much highs.
All those excuses, as I toldyou, I'm good at finding excuses
not to do things, but the thingis.
I just have to count on threeand go on to, and just do it.

(01:50:04):
And I'm sure that's what youdid.
You could have found all kindsof excuses or I don't have a
mic.
I know I've decided no that etcetera, et cetera, but you did
it.
And then as you go along and youjust keep, keep growing and keep
learning and those things, thosepeople listening whether it's a.
Tomorrow or whenever.
I'm sure you're going to havemore people listening and it's a

(01:50:27):
process.
Just enjoy yourself throughoutthe process.
Today might be five, fivepeople, 10 people.
Now, one day maybe next yearmight be 500 people and just,
don't see just the numberthough.
See, see the quality in whatyou're doing.
It's not just the quantity.
As they say the quality, also alot of people do.

(01:50:49):
To just to say whatever oranything that will get them
likes or numbers, but that's notwhat it should be about what it
should be about your truevalues, why you started that,
why you want to do that.
And as I said before, I'm proudof you.
I want to be a little bit morelike you.
as I told you, before I take avia message messenger, I want

(01:51:11):
you to teach me a few things soI can myself grow and, and be
more like you.
And I'm still gonna try tofigure it out.
Exactly how I'm going to do it,but I got to start somewhere.
And as I go along, maybe you'llprobably coach me more and give
me more advice.

(01:51:32):
You're coaching me right now,dude, you're doing like this.
This is it.
You're having a conversation.
We're going to put this outthere and people are gonna, you
know, you're doing it, bro.
This is, this is it.
This is I mean, maybe this willbe transformative in your life,
but I think you you've already,I've seen you on Facebook.
You've already been in theprocess of it.

(01:51:54):
And maybe this is just the, thefire to ignite the big can of
gas that you're already holding.
But I think that thisconversation is going to mean a
lot to people.
I think that you, you must'vemeditated on this before, so I
want to do something like thisand now, boom, you're here with
me doing it because yeah, liketonight, I think this was
important then for you to getall this out there.
Cause you had a lot of, a lot ofthings to share a lot of wisdom.

(01:52:16):
And I learned a lot.
I'm sorry if I didn't coach you,but that's the way the interview
works, you know, but I got a lotout of it and people I, people
are going to get a lot of thatout of this.
Well, I hope so I'm in for sure.
Allow people have told me Ishould write a book.
I should do this.
I should do that.
But as I said, when the time isright, I'm gonna do it.

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