David Curry-Bryan: Medical School & Anesthesiology | #40 - The Drive Program

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Welcome back to another episodeof the drive program.
My name is Tom driver and todaymy guest is David Curry, Brian.
David is an anesthesiatechnician at the New York
Presbyterian hospital.
His goal is to one day, become adoctor and is currently studying
for medical school.
David.
And I discussed his experienceworking at the hospital what it
was like working through theCOVID pandemic and he shares

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some wisdom about how tocultivate a healthy and balanced
lifestyle This is episode 40 ofthe drive program with guests.
David Curry, Brian.

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So we were just talking about me moving to
Tampa, right.
So, post-graduation did you,didn't you move to New York or
what, what was your journeyright after that?
Yeah, I'm, I'm actually still inNew York as we speak working in
the hospital.
I think it's the, thetechnician.
So uh, as you can imagine, I'min the hospital still as a
nation is fighting the worldactually providing with COVID.

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So it's been a roller coasterride.
Yeah, man.
You were there right throughthe, the big parts of the
pandemic, correct?
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
And so was your plan always togo into anesthesia or is this
something new that's come uppost undergrad?
thankfully I've had a lot ofthings that been able to put me

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in place to be in this hospital,be in this place.
As you know, I did EMS for alittle bit in college
post-college for a bit.
at the time there was a gapinside the hospital for
anesthesia technicians.
a lot of the skillsets wererelatable in like the current or
previous supervisor.
He ran EMS, so he knew thequality of care he would have

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received, like bringing insomeone that was an EMT and then
training them to be atechnician.
So he took their shot in thedark at me and I, I I've been
here since well.
Okay.
So this kind of fell into yourlap, then it was, it was not
always the plan.
No, not at all.
Not at all.
Okay.

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So I, I know that this is like avery exciting career to go into.
So what are some of thechallenges and what are some of
the exciting parts about.
Working with anesthesia.
Like, I don't even understandanything about, about how this
works.
Yeah.
Most people, they knowanesthesia, just like, okay, get
the laughing gas from thedentist.
Or like, if you go into surgerythat they might put something on

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your nose, count back to likezeros as best you can.
Like you don't even remember it.
But um, truly what I ended updoing, I work with the
anesthesiologist in theoperating room.
what that could entail is simpleday-to-day things when
everything is working.
Okay.
Me helping monitor the patienthelp put the mask on them to
provide sedation via whateverthe gases and drugs that we're

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allowed to use.
And then like, in the mostextreme of cases, when things
start to go south, like whetherit be like RN cause anesthesia,
they focus on the airway.
So if there's something RN thatgoes down or something that goes
down on the procedural side,wherever that might be on the
body we're there with the crashcart where they're helping
stabilize the patient, trying toget better access to different
veins.
Because I mean, at that timethey only have an IV in one arm

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and let's say you lose blood.
We want to be able to like giveyou some faster than the way
what you're losing.
So can be an extreme, butthankfully I haven't had to see
too much of the extremes.
That's awesome, man.
And so this is very similar towhen you were an EMT, right?
It's it's if things go south, itturns into a very similar

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scenario is when you were doingthat position in college, right?
Oh yeah.
So back in college.
Yeah.
Like I said, when I did EMS,things can go from fantastic to.
Oh, my God code blue.
We need everyone all hands ondeck.
And I also work in the neonatalunit, which is like new born

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babies.
So sometimes when they come outin the labor room, they're not
always like as responsive andlike, they're not doing what
normal babies should do whenthey come out.
So we have like a rapid team tocome in.
They ended up doing like someCPR on them sometimes.
Like it can go anywhere, butpause real quick.
What was the question?

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Did I leave?
I got lost in it.
I know you started talking aboutbabies and then I lost my train
of thought too, but I don't evenknow, man.
It's okay.
It's okay.
I thought of, like, I thought Iwas like a bunch of more
questions anyways.
Yo.
So I was going to ask, I wasgoing to ask, why did you

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become, oh wait, do youremember.
I'm going to say, let me turn onthe fan real quick.
It's not even facing me.
Okay.
Okay.
That's fine.
Keep it authentic.
You know, that's fine.
Yeah.
Keep it real.
I think there's, I think there'slike an ASAP Ferg verse on work
where he's like, man, he's like,he's not going to crack the
window.
Cause New York don't keep itdown or something like that at

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the beginning of his.
Yeah.
That's how it be.
New York stay be fricking loud.
If you close it, you're notgetting ventilation.
Especially in the winter timeblood, he is sad for the
building and that's it.
The only way you're going tobreathe a cooler at office, or
you open up a window, but itwould be too loud, outside some
solves crack that thing.

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You got to take the pros andcons then man, man.
That's what happens when youlive in the city?
That's wild.
Do I've never, I've been to NewYork like once or twice.
I've never live there.
Man, I wanna, I want to ask youa lot of different questions.
David.
It's been too long.
I'm overwhelmed So I was goingto ask why he became an EMT, but
then I remembered because thathelps you like in your path to
become a doctor.

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So I know you want to be adoctor one day.
Let's just start with why, like,why do you want to be a doctor?
the reason why I want to be adoctor is because I want to be
able to always be challenged.
And I mean, I'm not saying thatany other.
Facet or clinician that is alittle bit lower on the totem
pole in regards to being adoctor.

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Not that they're not challenged,but I want to be able to be
given my worth.
You know what I mean?
I I'm, I give them a hundredpercent to learning.
I give a hundred percent of mypatients.
I give a hundred percent to likebettering myself on the rag.
I I'm going to shoot for themoon.
I'm going to be there.
I want to be able to give thehighest level of care that I can
give and then work with greatother minds alike and you know,

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care for people better.
That's what it really boils downto.
Yeah, man, we lived together andI feel like that was very true
throughout that year.
I could see the, you put in ahundred percent into everything
you were doing and not justthat, at sometimes I've worked
too hard, but you had a verylike balanced life and you knew
what a hundred percent was andyou knew, you know, how to, how

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to put your schedule in theperfect order so that you could
give a hundred percent to yourschool, your EMT job, your
friends, your, you know, yourhobbies.
I don't know how I fricking didthat to me looking back.
It's crazy.
I told my girlfriend, I waslike, yo, like I got to get back

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into the mood.
Yeah.
Crack down for studying orwhatnot.
And it's like, I was like, yeah,like I might go to the gym at
extreme hours and then get upand study and like early
mornings, late nights.
But like, I gotta do what Igotta do.
yeah, man, you are veryregimented.
I, I've given a hundred, like110% at times in my life, but
then for the next six months Igive like 80 or 70, you know,

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because I didn't, I didn'tbalance it all.
I didn't, you know, have my lifescheduled out the perfect way.
I just went hard and then I waslike, I can't do this.
And then I had to like take astep back, you know?
So I've always been impressedwith not just like you, give it
a hundred percent, but you, youseem to know how to do it, like
in a sustainable way, you know,for long periods of time, it

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seems like you're still goinghard.
don't get me wrong.
I've slowed it down.
I had to, I had learned the hardway in life just to kind of take
a step back and like, likereset.
Cause I mean, I was going ahundred percent, like you said,
and trying to balance it all andjuggle and like eventually you
get too many circus balls thatyou're juggling all topples over
and it comes crazy.
So I had to reset reallocatepriorities and just Mabel to

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like again, prioritize 100% atcertain times and uh, be able to
execute efficiently if I want toget to where I want to be, you
know?
Mm.
For sure.
Ma'am so when it comes to likegiving your all and stuff like
that, you know, you could haveeasily gone into tech or
business or something.
Why do you want to.

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Put all of your energy into amedical profession where it
seems like the stakes arehigher, you know things could go
wrong, you know, there's,there's, people's lives at risk.
What is there?
Is there like a piece ofresponsibility you feel like,
Hey, I'm I can handle this kindof life.
So I'm going to do this or are,is it just, you're very, very

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interested in that kind of likeeducation or, or what, what is
it that pushed you in thisdirection?
Truly, it's an encompassment ofeverything that you mentioned.
Like it's always going to be adesire to learn and to get
better.
Like you said, I could havegiven a hundred percent into
tech, but I mean, even thoughback in high school, I took like
a Java class.

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I was decent at it and likecould have gone into that realm,
but it didn't catch my mind inthe same way as being able to
like care for others and be ableto understand why setting.
We're occurring to them.
Like, eh, I guess the humaneaspect of it, because it's not
saying like computer science,people aren't good there, you

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guys are the company.
You guys are the doctors of thePC world.
Man.
You guys know the ins and outsthat you can try to diagnose
stuff.
Like, I mean, I could look at itand understand, okay, this is
the language is the format, butI won't know how to like go
through and every little stepthat is wrong with the processes
and fix it in order to like,let's say, get rid of malware or

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like run the program, whateveryou guys are trying to do.
You guys are like the doctors ofthe PC world, which is forever
to be.
The Metro versus are going to beforever.
So, yeah, man, I like that.
You said that, I feel like ifthere is like an AI robot in the
future, then we will be the realdoctors.
Right.
I mean, if it's like a true lifeform, then we'll have to step in

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there and do open-heart surgery,but it's like going to be just
fixing his database and stuff,you know?
But like we have frickingtechnicians, Stryker represent
representatives that comethrough to like fix machines and
stuff like that to dolaparoscopy opics or surgery.
So like you have peoplebasically in, you know, those

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little arcade, drastic parks,simulators, where you get like
the mounted gun or like thewheel on there, and you're in an
enclosed curtain area.
So if you'll surround sound likethat's what they're basically
putting themselves into andthey're moving the machines to
do laparoscopic surgery.
They're not doing an externalincision to get inside.
They're using.
Basically probes to go through aset area and then cut in fakes

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and do whatever they gotta dowithout opening the wound or the
site of the procedure.
Well, that's pretty crazy.
Yeah.
You guys are you guys work handin hand with us in a sense.
Okay.
So there, they actually havelike little tiny, you know,
machines and cameras and theycan just go in and it's almost

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like playing a video game orsomething, but it's, it's real
life.
Yeah.
To be honest, it's wild.
That's crazy, dude.
I also feel like with VRtechnology, the education part
of being a doctor is going to beso much better because you could
like zoom in.
I guess I already have thisprobably on certain like
websites, but to like beimmersed in like, you know it

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kinda reminds me of like magicschool bus, you know, when they,
like, they like shrink down andthey go into the person, like,
you know, in a VR headset, Ifeel like you could, you could
really learn the human body bylike zooming in and, and
studying these things like, youknow, from, from being like that
magic school bus size basically,and kind of like, you know,
seeing it from that perspectiveor just getting it from all

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different types of perspectives,you know?
I totally agree with.
Yeah, man.
That's dope.
That's I bet I bet the tech inyour hospital is pretty
impressive.
I mean, you just told me, butthat makes, that makes a lot of
sense, man.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
So I mean like, like I said, youguys have a very important role
in the future, just like we doin regards to like sustaining

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human life, you know?
Well, that's good now.
I feel more important, althoughI don't think any of the systems
I work on for work aresustaining life, but at least
I'm part, I'm part of the help.
There you go.
Hey, you may not be it, but ifyou teach something to someone
else, someone younger, it mightinspire them to do something
great.
So, Hmm.

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Well I'm okay, man.
You're, you're flipping, you'reflipping the script back on me
sensei.
But yeah, so when it comes to.
When it comes to like, justbeing a doctor, isn't there some
oath you take, like what I'mcurious about, like, what is
like the seriousness of like theresponsibility of a doctor?
Like what, what is that oath?
Or like, what's the gist of it?
basically it's that even, evenwithout being a doctor being

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clinical, in a sense, a hands-onwith the patient, you take this
oath to be like, I will doanything and everything in my
power knowledgeable to me tomake sure that I could preserve
human life, like, and not justcast it to the wayside.
And by even as EMS, we, we gottabe like, okay, we gotta do
everything we can.
If we don't know the answer, wegot to call someone else that is

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above us to come through andcheck out the scene and kind of
evaluate what's best to do.
So again, it's just B beingethical and care being
respectful and care becauseeveryone has different values
and beliefs and like, they wantto be treated different way.
For example, like there's somepeople in the operating room, if

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they lose blood, the Jehovahwitnesses, they get this machine
that technically extractswhatever they lose, cleans it
and gives it back to theminstead of going to the blood
bank.
So like, we got to take intoperspective other people's
beliefs and religions and stuff.
So again, it's to maintain thehighest level of care
irrespective of like race,ethnicity, denomination, et

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cetera.
So when it comes down to likethese, these ethical issues, In
the game time, moment, right.
Is, is leadership going to be avery important part of making
that decision?
Because you have someone who'sprobably in charge of the team,
they're making decisions, butlike what have you realized
that, oh, it's unethical if wedo this or it's not the right

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procedure?
Like How does the the medicalteam function, in these game
time situations, how doesleadership play a role or how
does ethics play a role?
Like in the moment, Sure I cangive you an example of that.
I actually had an a case maybethree something odd months ago
where I had come down to justhelp another technician of mine
close out some rooms, causewe've been far and few in the

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past few months, the years inregards to the number of techs.
So help them close out for thenext day.
But he was like, Hey, comethrough a quick to this one room
and happened to be a medicalemergency going on.
So we, we push in the code cart.
We have like theanesthesiologist and the
surgeon.
Those two are kind of like thetop two guys and the circulator

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nurse, which would be a tierbelow.
Those are the top three peoplenecessarily.
Running the show in regards tolike game time decisions.
And so the anesthesiologist isgoing to make sure that the
airway is safe.
That's primary focus too.
We try to get a line into theperson and whether it be through
the arms or through the legs orfeet, whatever, just to be able

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to get any blood or medicationaccess from a different site as
necessary.
When we were able to maintaineverything and bounce everything
the doctor in the room debriefedwith kind of the team and just
be like your job here, blah,blah, blah.
What happened?
Okay.
When you start feeling this way,what should we do?

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But just to make sure that thereis understood that everyone
understood what went wrong.
Highlighted areas of neededimprovement in regards to like
getting out of said emergencyfaster and efficiently.
And she made sure to address theperson, people about what they
did just so that everyone had alearning moment.

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And so if let's say theanesthesiologist or the surgeon
or the circulator nurse, Makessome sort of ethical decision
jointly, unethical decisionjointly or something like that,
you are allowed to speak up.
And if you're not heard and it'snot like being basically cause

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you're allowed to revoke anddispute and figure things out
and hash things out and makesure that things are done
ethically.
But if you still believe thatit's not done, there are checks
and balances in place that youcould submit to.
Let's say the standards boardfor the case that happened and
they can review what happenedand then they can take further

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action from there.
So in the moment, it's notalways going to be the time to
speak up because you know,someone's life is on the line
and to mess up that chain ofcommand could.
I could put everything injeopardy.
Right.
But, you know, within thehospitals, like I guess
structure judicious judicialstructure, there is a place to

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tell, like reflect and, andimprove for the next situation,
I guess.
Yeah.
That seems super important.
Right.
That feedback loop of, oflearning and, and, you know,
improving on, on the situation.
Right.
I mean, that's, I mean, it can'tbe more important anywhere, but
in those types of situations andit's crazy because sometimes

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like this happens to veterans,not even just young, new nurses
or young or doctors and stufflike that, like it could
literally happen to anyone andthey have to have these sort of
checks and balances in place,just so that the sense of power
or hierarchy doesn't doesn'tstave them away from being able
to learn or to betterthemselves.

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It sounds like there's probablyjust a, a good amount of
paperwork involved in, in, inthese jobs to then, right.
I mean, yeah.
Oh yeah.
You got, you have to have likedocumentation, anything and
everything.
If you touch a patient, you'vegot to document it.
If you put an IV in a patient,you got to say where, how much
fluid, what happened?

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Like you got to documenteverything.
Yeah.
I work in technical support andit's like probably two thirds or
three fourths, you know,write-ups and documentation.
And like only a third or afourth of the time in my
actually working with code ortechnology, you know, just
because like we were talking,talking about, you gotta to
learn from the past mistakes andimprove upon things and just

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have everything there to, toreflect on, you know, it seems,
seems Like I said, like we weresaying, you know, more crucial
with these life or deathsituations, but I gotta be the
doctor for the tech world aswell.
There you go.
There you go.
So what about like youreducation?
How has your journey been?
Have you been in school?

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What, what is, what is adoctor's like educational
journey and like, what stage areyou currently in?
So currently I'm in a phase oftaking my examination because
that is going to be a part ofbasically my application going
to school.
It's just.
When the high schoolers tryingto apply to colleges, they have
to go through their SATs oractsh.

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And so I'm just like everyoneelse.
When they're trying to gothrough higher education posts
undergraduate, they ended upgoing, they take their GRE, or
if you're trying to grow a lawuntil the L set and stuff like
that.
So this is like specified fromMadison.
And so that along with theapplications are necessary in
order to get me into likewhatever schools I'd like to get
into.

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So I've cast my net far, far andwide, or I, sorry, I will be
casting my net far and wide.
And I have like a spreadsheet ofinformation of schools that I
potentially want to go to brokendown to like a two location, two
how many years it would take,whether they start in a strictly
by annually or if they startquarterly, you know what I mean?

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So I'm, I have it all brokendown in the sense once I'm able
to collect.
Yeah.
The whole application together,along with my test scores and
send that out to set colleges.
Okay.
So since undergrad, like youhaven't taken any classes,
right?
This has just been like all reallife experience.
It, it has.

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Cause I didn't know if there waslike some sort of intermediate
degree you had to get before youlike, just go into med school.
So there, there can be in asense we'll see, from my
applications, whether that isnecessary can be not pushing the
option out the window and itwouldn't hurt of course.
But that that said coursesyou're talking about it's called

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like a post bachelor degree.
So it's like, once you get yourbachelor's you kind of get like
a few refresher courses, like anaccelerated one or two year
program, and then it will likeput you into the medicine career
in a sense.
Like you already be on trackwith said school or whatever
partnerships the school has toput you into your medic medical

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career.
But it seems to me like theexperience you're getting is
probably just as good or maybeeven better than any schooling.
Right?
I mean, well, currently rightnow it allows me to get a real
life idea of how the hospitalworks and it functions in and
outside the operating room.

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In regards to how differentdepartments work with each
other, along with me being ableto be in the operating room and
learn about how let's say.
What part of the eye they'reworking on and why it looks like
this and what, like, some ofthat I've learned.
And so it's cool when I get tosee it.

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And it's like a little aha,that's dope.
And then other things it's like,all right, what is that?
So ask either the doctor or I'llresearch it on my own.
So in a sense, yes and no.
But I know in regards to when itcomes to the application time
and Mike referrals and stufflike that, a lot of the doctors,
they, and even nurse the nursesthey've appreciated the work

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I've done for them.
And they've, they're like, Hey,I know you're not going to be
here long.
Just let, let me know whenyou're ready to get out here and
I'll write a little somethingfor you to get you in a way.
So I was like, all right, Iappreciate that.
Hell yeah, man.
That's awesome that you'remaking good connections and
getting good references rightnow.
So what, what has piqued your,like out of this interest, what

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has piqued your interest themost?
And you've been like, well, Ineed to go research that or ask
about this.
What kind of.
Subjects or situations havereally, you know, intrigued you.
So I guess more recently I wassitting in the room talking with
these anesthesiologists andnurse anesthetists about an
epidural that we put in ourspinal, I should say and to the

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patient.
And basically what that does.
We're, we're trying to, youprobably understand this, like
in the labor room when we doC-sections and try to make sure
you basically number the bodyfrom the waist down so they
don't feel anything.
So that's easy extraction.
When they do cut into the mom topull out the baby.
But basically when we wereputting in that needle we were

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trying to understand why we werenot necessarily getting the
needle in the right spot.
Me, we not being me.
I stand on the side and helplike pass things to them.
They are the ones that actuallyput an actual medications and
the needles.
But we were trying to figure outwhy we were having an issue with
this one lady.
And we're talking about how andalso what she was at risk for.

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She had like a slip disc.
So we're like, do we go head on,do we come from the side?
Where's the disc located andatomically to where we're trying
to get into.
And so they were saying like shehad some deformity or something
in our back that didn't allow usto go directly in.
So when she curls over, sheneeded to do a little more,

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which is kind of hard whenyou're pregnant.
Cause you got a big baby on thefront side, but she needed a
curl a little more in order forus to get right in the like
spinal cord.
In order to give the anesthesiashe needed for the spinal.
Thankfully we numb the site.
She doesn't really feel toomuch.
The only thing it's like a pokein a different direction until

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we get the right spot.
Well, that I've heard aboutthose.
Those seem painful.
Well, mothers, the troopers,when they do that if it's a
high-risk thing, especiallybecause we've gotten a lot of
mothers and mothers that I'veseeing an operator and they've
been closer to the age wheresurgeries or natural birth can

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be at high risk, both the motherand the baby.
So C-section is most optimal.
Sorry, I cut you off.
Were you about to say something?
Not better.
No.
Okay.
So, so situations where, likethe thing that interests you the
most right now is likesituations where someone's in
pain and it's like, well, thisprocess could be improved,

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right?
Like why, why can't we do this?
Or what can I learn that thatwould ease the pain or make this
all go smoother?
Or is there even a differenttechnology we could be using
that, you know, that could,could just smooth this whole
process over for, for ourpatients.
Right.
I mean, my mind thinks in thatsense, but there's not much I

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can necessarily do because likehospitals have certain contracts
with different vendors anddifferent companies and stuff
like that.
And they're like, it let's say Italked to you and you say, you
know, someone that knows someonethat has access to the VP that
basically.
Every time it talk to them, thenext person it takes about a

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week, week and a half.
And then like, because they hada meeting during that process of
word, getting up to them.
So by the time you even get wordor they get word of your idea,
it's too late, they've alreadysigned a contract.
They've already had things setin place.
So You can make note of things.

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You can make them aware, butlike being able to like provide
this new groundbreaking idea,it's kind of hard to do well.
So you're young, right?
You're going to be in this fieldfor a long time.
So to zoom out let's say in thenext 30, 40 years, like what.
What processes, whattechnologies in the medical
field do you think are going tobe improved?

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Do you hope can be improved orthat you, like, what do you
predict?
You know, the hospital in 30, 40years, it looks like, and then
near the end of your career, andwhat excites you the most, like
the potential the hospital isgoing to be very interesting.
A lot of things are going to bea lot smaller in the sense you

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know, how I explain the drasticpar game booth, whatever.
I feel like the laparoscopicsurgeries that utilizes machine,
they're going to be kind of morelike the Oculus, where they put
the little headset on andthey're using like the wireless
stuff.
I think that'll be kind of likethe next generation of

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laparoscopic surgeon.
In regards to anesthesia though,I can't really see too much
changing other than the supplythat we use with the technique.
Once we learn there's a betterway to intubate someone or
extract blood from someonewithout causing bruises or
whatever might be the case.
the technological or theadvancement in anesthesia may

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not be as drastic as theprocedural, the surgical side
effects.
So hopefully just all in, allless invasive, right?
We have more microscopictechnologies.
Like if you have like a cloggingyour artery or something, you
could swallow some nanobots andthey can just like go in there
and clear that out for you,whatever, whatever that can be
done without basically to beingtoo invasive, hopefully things

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start trending in thatdirection.
Oh, yeah, definitely apossibility.
I mean, nanotechnology has comea long way just within our
lifetime.
So who knows what 30 years couldbe?
What, what is, what has been theimprovements in our lifetime?
Like what, what, what's thedifference between now and 30
years ago?

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I mean, 30 years ago, I feellike we really hadn't had too
much nanotechnology.
It was more over like one ofthose Saifai fantasy things like
an agent Cody banks, where it'slike the guy and just stuff in
the nanobots, like eat them fromthe inside type stuff.
But now I feel like we, we havemore of an idea of how to

(29:17):
control technology and thesmallest of sizes to do various
amount of functions withoutnecessarily Causing damage, like
you're saying right now, I thinkthey're still working on, of
course patenting a lot ofthings.
Being able to get people toundergo nano surgery.
I, again, I don't, I'm not Idon't know too much about nano

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surgeries, but I'm justspeculating.
Like there, there are a lot ofroad bumps before we actually
started seeing this implementedat a hospital.
Do you think we're gonna likethis stuff with like Neuralink
and Elon Musk?
Like, do you think we're goingto really be able to understand
the human brain and rewire it indifferent ways?
Do you think that's achievablein our lifetime too?

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Cause I know we basically knownothing about how the human
brain is wired and how to repairissues with it.
And that controls like all thesystems in the body.
Do you think that, do you thinkthat that's a realistic goal for
us to, I mean, he was talkingabout like solving things like
Alzheimer's or stuff, thosekinds of brain issues.
If, if they can like implant,like a little, like, you know,

(30:24):
piece of technology in your headand brain.
Yeah.
Does that, does that get youexcited?
Do you think that that's likemaybe too far out for the next
couple of decades or, or I don'tforesee it being too far out
because of the way, for example,the way we we've been able to
create vaccines and spread themquickly, but from like the polio

(30:46):
era of polio to now, liketechnology has advanced so
rapidly, like, and even for evenbetter example, we used to have
TVs at cathodes in the back, thehuge fricking bubble.
Now these things are flat.
So I don't doubt that we'd beable to.
At least have a betterunderstanding of how brain map

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the brain works and we'll havebetter brain mapping.
And I feel like there are goingto be a lot of breakthroughs
within the next 10, 15 years,depending on how things, how
fast patented procedures aregoing to be allowed.
I'm excited to see it.
I'm not going to be the onestanding in line to get my, my
head shit though, but I I'm allfor learning about how

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everything works.
Because again, we want to beable to, as doctors like cure to
these as being able to get ridof ailments and kind of like
bring brighter smiles to thesepatients that have been in pain
for God knows how long, you knowwhat I mean?
So, yeah, man, Yeah, man.
I, my biggest worry is thatstuff like that will emerge, but

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it'll be super expensive andit'll be basically unavailable
for most people.
So we'll see it's if a, the techexists or B if, if it's even
reasonable for someone like meto ever dream of affording that
kind of, treatment, you know?
Oh yeah.
So you're gonna take a testsoon, right?

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And then hopefully start medicalschool.
What is that?
An eight year process and thenyes.
Well, the school school part is.
Words, like not necessarily alot of time in the hospital,
that part is four years.
So basically just classes and afew labs and whatnot.

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But once I go through my fourthyear, I'll be able to apply to
certain hospitals to work incertain programs.
So once I do that, I'll do fouryears of residency.
Let's see.
And from that I could likespecialize, let's say in like
anesthesiology or dermatology ornerve block stimulation, or does

(32:58):
there, there are so manydifferent things.
The list can really go on causethey're doctors for everything
and the science behind it is waytoo much for one person to just
like, know it all.
There are plenty of things I canend up going into.
It'll really just depend ontruly how well I do and what I,
what I take a knack to skillsetwise when I'm in that setting,
you know?

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So since you're in theanesthesiology setting, do you,
do you think that this issomething that you might go into
are, is it a, is it a strongpotential or, or how do you feel
about this specific setting?
I am not opposed to it.
There are just a lot of thingsyou've got to take into to play.
Like I see these guys, some ofthem don't even flinch when,
like, I feel like a patient'sgoing crazy.

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They're just like, do I hold thehead up?
Like that crack a joke to thatperson real quick.
All right.
We're getting something on amonic.
Cause you gotta let the patientrespond when she.
Whatever um, maneuver orintervention to them, you gotta
be able to see improvement ordecay if you want to call it.
So like the, these guys are socasual and calm with it.

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And if it really goes souththat's when you really call the
code and then you've got otherpeople like helping you out.
But I, I don't know.
I, I'm not opposed to it.
It really just depends when I gothrough that whole like
residency process if I enjoy it,but that's really what it boils
down to.
Or if I really can endure theworkload besides the psychology

(34:22):
of actually being in that room,cause I've handled the
psychology, being a room, let memake sure that, that my skill
sets up to speed and up to par,you know, Yeah, man.
I would have a mental breakdown,dude, if anything went wrong or
I like, if I get a cut, if I getlike a cut on my hand, like I
can pass out.
I can faint.
That's how like weak I am whenit comes to medical stuff, I'm

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almost like I was almost nervousto interview you, but like, you
know, abstractly, I can handleit, but barely do that.
Don't worry.
I haven't hit anything where youget squeamish.
I try to like, not do that forpeople's ears.
Yeah, no, I appreciate it.
I mean, it's, I don't want toavoid it either because it's a,
it's a fact of life and, youknow, someday I'm going to be in

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that hospital bed and I hope Ineed to face some of those
ideas, at least abstractlybefore I get there.
So in the second half of medicalschool you'll be in like,
hands-on, it seems like you'llbe getting paid for that in some
way.
How do you make money for thenext four years?
Like, you're going to be so old.
You're going to be like 28 to32.
You're just in school or are yousupposed to just take out loans

(35:27):
or, or how do you, yeah, man, Ifeel like you've always been on
top of your mind.
Sorry, go on Umbro.
My credit, my credit score islike ridiculous right now.
And I'm, I'm thankful for that.
So I, I'm not terribly worriedin regards to be able to get

(35:49):
alone.
It's just to make sure that Isee the process through so I can
start paying off those loansonce I get out, you know?
What I was going to say is Ifeel like you've always been on
top of your money.
Like you were, you were tellingme how good your credit was in
college and stuff.
I was barely even thinking aboutthat.
Right.
And I, you know, I was going toask why or how, how you've been
so honored, but I feel likethat's the reason, right?

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You've always known that at somepoint in your early thirties,
you're going to have to stopworking and take out loans.
And you basically had to be ontop of your money from the
beginning of, of undergrad inorder to, to, to, like you said,
be eligible for loans and, andmake it.
So I feel like that that goal iswhat kind of forced you to be so

(36:31):
strategic and, and, disciplinedwith your, with your finances,
right?
Yeah, definitely.
Everyone's stressed having somesort of credit because in early
two thousands, you know,everything was thriving, but
like the markets were turningtowards credit over cash.
And like, I mean, that was theslow turn from like the nineties
and whatnot.
But eventually, like we live ina credit based system and my mom

(36:55):
ended up realizing mygrandmother and up teaching my,
my mother's like, you got tohave credit if you're going to
survive in this world.
And so my mom was like, allright, as soon as you get to
school, like a field would bementally mature enough to have a
credit card.
Mind you, I did have somefriends in high school that I
have credit cards.
I mean, co-sign with theirparents, but they were starting
to build credit early in orderto allow themselves I have a

(37:19):
record.
So if they want to would say.
Take a crack.
They want to get a car oncredit, or if they want to like
start taking on a mortgage loan,they have a longer credit
history with where a bank willjust be like, yeah, take it.
Whatever you pay, you pay yourstuff.
So, yeah, man.
But yeah, like, let me just stayon top of it.

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Cause I know credit is going tobe big.
that forces you to budget andmake sure that you have enough
to keep your bills paid.
I think I probably told you thisback in the day, but I was like
a waiter, barely making anymoney at Chili's for a while.
And like, I just couldn't managea credit card until I got out of
college and had a salary.
Right.
Like it was just too temptingfor me.

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Put everything on there and notbe able to pay it off.
So did maybe a quick tangentbecause I want to jump back into
medical stuff, but do you haveany advice for people on how to
manage their money, how to thinkabout it or, or how to just
build credit when, when youdon't have a big fat salary, you
know, like when you're anundergrad the idea really is if

(38:23):
you're, if you're working onlyduring the summertime, save,
save as best you can.
I know it's going to be hard tolike, not just kinda hang out
with the friends and go on tripsand spend money on this and
that, and go to seven 11, butsave where you can.
And when you do make a purchase,like make sure you, you can be
able to pay it off within likeone and a half, if not two pay

(38:45):
cycles.
Just so bad, like it's notlingering, it's allowing your
credit score to go up, showingthat you can pay things roughly
on time.
Of course the more you pay thebetter, make sure, like, if
you're going to make a purchasethat you can be able to pay at
least two thirds of it, justlike off the jump, even if it
knocks your bank accounts tozero, but like you just mentally

(39:08):
know you have a buffer that likeyou're not necessarily going to
go broke within that pay periodand a half I can throw an
example out there.
I got myself a snowboard.
I'm an avid snowboarder as youknow, Tommy and mass nut and
back, back in Virginia.
So I would, my sophomore yearafter I, I I'd gone out there.
I was like, oh, I'm definitelygonna get addicted to this.

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So I, I went online, went onZumiez and I saw it on the,
during the summer to them that abundle package, boots, bonding,
and board for like 4 99 or 5 99.
And that's like dirt cheap inthe world of like skiing.
If anyone knows anything, likethings get expensive in two
seconds.
But I really, I was like, allright, I'm working, I'm making,

(39:52):
let's say$700 a week.
I'm hanging out with my friendsevery once in a while and going
to Wawa after work.
So like, that's going to godown, but I know I can at least
pay two thirds of this off.
And like with the current.
Work week or OT that I can add.
I can definitely pay this offwithin the next pay cycle, or I

(40:15):
can stretch it a pay cycle onthe half, but at least I know
I'm not going broke when I'mtrying to like pay off this
credit card.
Bill, why do you like tosnowboard?
What's that passionate about foryou?
To be honest, it was just one ofthose things that I always
enjoyed watching.
Like, whether it be cartoonsfrom like rocket power or just

(40:35):
watching like X games and stufflike that, I always got, I knew
I'd have an interest for it.
And for some reason when I was akid, I was like, you know what?
When I get, when I get older,when I get into college, like I
told myself this in middleschool, I was like, Eventually
learn how to snowboard and like,I promise you JMU and his
proximity to Massena and was nohad no correlation with me

(40:59):
applying down there.
And like I tell a lot of people,I actually applied to JMU on a
blind when, so like when I gotdown there, I fell in love with
it.
Just like so many other thingsjust worked so well with what I
wanted to do and where I wantedto go in life.
So including the fun stuff ofsnowboarding.
So that's awesome, man.
Yeah, man, I did a wholeinterview with someone about

(41:20):
snowboarding or now like We dida big 30 minute section about
snowboarding, but it just seemslike such a good activity for
your mental health, you know,just for being active, kind of
working through thoughts, beingpart of nature, but, but not
like chilling in nature.
Right.
Enduring nature, like puttingit, it's almost like the cold
shower mentality right.

(41:41):
Of just, you know, it'sfreezing.
Yeah.
It's like putting yourself outthere, surviving the hill, you
know, it's, it's conqueringnature and it seems like a very
empowering activity, you know,to be, to be a fan of most
definitely.
It it's, it was my soon, thestill is my serenity in regards
to uh, next day from the city.

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It, it allows me to, like yousaid, be in nature during COVID,
there really wasn't too much youcould do.
And my being outdoors was kindof one of the only things you
could do cause of socialdistancing.
Well, what a better place to be,except on other than being on a
mountain where you can ski orsnowboard and kind of be at bay
from people and still keep somespacing.

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So yeah, I, I'm thankful I'vepicked it up when I did and have
gotten better.
I've met a lot of great friendsthrough it.
It's cool.
I get to actually hang out withsome clinicians outside of work
cause they ski and snowboard.
So.
That's awesome, man.
Yeah, dude.
Post-college, I've been trying,it's been hard for me to make
friends around other activitiesother than drinking.

(42:46):
Cause I've, I've been basicallyquit drinking at this point, but
it's, I used to make all myfriends through drinking
activities.
Right.
And so, you know, I, youactually can't surf here on the
west coast of Florida.
It's kind of a bummer, causethere's no really waves here,
but certain things like surfingand snowboarding are the type of
activities that I really want tosurround my friend groups with,

(43:07):
you know, and you know, maybeyou get a beer afterwards or
something, but I feel like thatthose are some fabulous
activities to bond over and bepassionate about and go, go do
with people, you know?
Oh yeah, man, like I mean I'vebeen keeping my focus also on
snowboarding, like besidessnowboarding, I should say Like

(43:28):
tennis and golf, as you know, itwas on the club, tennis teams.
that's a great kind of outdoorsolo activity if I really want
to, because in New York theyhave a lot of wall balls per se,
like, so you're able to kind ofplay tennis on the wall and
still kind of get your activityand social distance.
What do you call it?
I go to the driving rangesometimes just to work on my

(43:48):
golf game.
Like a lot of, a lot of fun,bro.
Like, especially once you getpast that hump of just like
sucking, but it's really fun.
Yeah.
I've never gotten quite intotennis or golf.
I feel like.
W what are the, why are youpassionate about those
activities?
What separates those from, youknow, basketball and, and other

(44:10):
things?
You can always borrow, man.
Like I get that.
My mom definitely got it backthen and I kind of wish I still
had the shot to.
To do more ball when I wasyounger.
But aside from that, like youget longevity with tennis, you
get longevity with golf.
A lot of people, they there.
I say in customer show, youshoot the shit on the golf

(44:31):
course or the tennis court.
So that's where it kind ofideas, envelop.
That's where kind of people arejust like brainstorm and
randomly, like when you'replaying ball, bruh, let's be
real.
You're huffing and puffing 90%of the time when you're done.
Like, you're like, right, bro,I'm gonna hit the shower, head
home here.
You're not really like, oh,let's grab a beer.
Let's go talk about some ideas.

(44:51):
Like, like same thing withfootball and some other sports.
So for you, tennis and golf aremore social hour or there
they're equal social hours asthey are like an activity you go
do.
Right.
You can really bond with people.
Okay.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, especially nowadays.
I don't feel old, but I knowother people feel old and like

(45:12):
tennis and golf are kind of likelow impact, low intensity.
So I'm not going to say greatminds, but all minds about sort
of can thrive withoutnecessarily being left out.
Yeah, man, basketball pick-upgames there.
They're very competitive.
They're very intense.
You know, you might get on thesame team with someone and have
a great day, but overall, right.

(45:33):
It's a very competitiveatmosphere and it's gonna be
less likely that you really.
You hit it off with someone onthe other team.
It's more likely you're going togo home and complain about them
or something.
Right.
Where something like tennis isyou can play an intense game of
tennis, but you can also play avery chill game of tennis and
really just, kind of lob it withsomeone and, and chat and, and

(45:55):
not take it to that competitivelevel where I don't think, I
don't know how you couldpossibly do a one-on-one game of
basketball and have it be likechill, you know, it's gonna turn
serious quick.
You know, at that point it mightas well just be a shooter on, in
the gym, you know?
Like, it's like, I'm a feed.
You, you go run around and thenlike get open type of thing.
Like there's going to be no,one-on-one where you're gonna be

(46:18):
talking about ideas, stuff likethat, where it's chill, you
know, what type of ideas, likewhat type of people play tennis?
Like what are their otherinterests?
Like?
I'm so curious now.
I mean, you got some, you neverknow who is working on what are
talking with, who.
Even though it's not necessarilyon a tennis court or golf where

(46:39):
I ended up having thisconversation.
But like someone I work withfamily, there was a bunch of
engineers and they have likethis product it's like a
pressure cooker that like fries,pressure cooks and you have an
app on your phone, which willteach you how to assemble meals,
what temperature, how to cup,blah, blah, blah.

(47:00):
And like you can hit start andit'll lock via Bluetooth, the
pressure cooker to device.
And it'll start cooking for you.
And you can check the meal andcheck the progress would be your
phone.
stuff like that, you, you neverknow who's working on what and
no, just to be a conversation,especially when we started
drinking, just rent.
Things come up and be like, oh,I did this with somebody like

(47:21):
that.
It's like, oh, word, you didthat.
Like, how did you get into that?
I'm kind of interested in thatlike random, big start coming
up.
It's kinda like, like when theold guys hanging out at the
fricking bowling alley, takingtheir beer and throwing a ball,
like they're just shooting theshit.
But like they're kind ofchatting it up.
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
That just reminded me of anothertangent, you used to always give

(47:42):
me this wisdom when we livedtogether.
And one of the ones that stuckwith me is something called the
itis where you said you wouldalways eat right before bed.
Cause you said it helps yousleep, you know?
And I have trouble sleeping.
So any trick, any trick that canhelp me sleep?
I usually like write that downor, or, or just remember it, you
know?
So what are you like intocooking or is that something

(48:03):
you're kind of passionate about?
Or, or do you have any otherlike wisdom when it comes to
just nutrition, diet, cooking,anything, anything in that.
I'm actually meal prep, a lot ofmy meals for the week to be
specific.
I'm your practice?
My work days and I have a littleleftover for when I come back
from the gym, I get a littlehungry when a phone, when I

(48:25):
munch on something small with myprotein shake.
But yeah, I, I meal prep becauseI've, I've worked three 13 hour
days consistently.
And then sometimes I'll do likeOT, which will be either eight
hour, another 13 hour shift.
So I kinda need to be able tohave food ready to go daily

(48:46):
because I don't have time tokind of cook every day.
And also still get rest, youknow, cause my alarm goes off at
like four 30 in the morning.
I gotta be at work by six andthen I punch out at 7:00 PM.
Well, that's a long essay dudeand I do like three back-to-back

(49:06):
bays.
So it's like.
When I come home, I'm just readyto crash.
So then do you get it prettylong weekend basically then,
right?
Yeah.
I, on average I can have afour-day weekend.
Wow.
That's awesome.
Oh yeah, dude.
So beautiful.
I can hop on a city.
I mean, a hop on a plane, be outof the city and go visit some

(49:27):
other people.
I can just stay local, get a lotof things done in the city.
Like groceries, grocery shopwithout having the rest of New
York fighting for the samesupplies on a weekday instead of
a weekend.
I can go to the park and doother things and I have a
million people fighting for thesame space.
Like it's, there are a lot ofpros that come with it, but you
will be burnt up by the end ofthat day.

(49:48):
Three shift, man.
And I just tell you, butsurprisingly enough, I still go
to the gym after that.
I, cause I know for a fact thatI don't have to be anywhere the
next day.
Well, all I got to do is bringin the pre-workout bringing
everything.
Cause I cycled to work.
I bring, I bring like one ofthose fuse, 45 liter bags or
something like that.

(50:08):
Pack my lunch, pack my gymclothes, pack it all cycled to
work.
And then I'll cycle to the gym.
And then I after work and get aquick hour and a half, two hour
workout come back.
Like I said, whatever meal prep,I have left eat that with my
protein and snooze for God knowshow long, because I don't have
to be anywhere the followingday.
Yeah, man.

(50:28):
A night lifters are elite, bro.
Don't never sleep on nightlifting dude.
That's that's some fun stuffright there, dude.
Oh yeah.
The David Goggins says, man,sometimes you ain't trying to be
in the zone and do it, but Imean, mile one, you're
struggling.
By the time you hit mile twogreatness pools, mediocrity
through the mud, into the muddude.

(50:49):
I, I, one of my favoritequestions is like, who are your
inspirations and stuff likethat.
It has Goggins wanting yourinspirations.
I like to say yes, because,well, I'll backtrack and say, I
learned about guidance duringthe pandemic, or like headed
into the pandemic.
One of the other from myprevious roommate back in the
Bronx he, he used to be in themilitary.

(51:12):
So he, this is how he like,found out about David Goggins
and another inspirationalspeaker Jocko.
The, these guys were likeserious, like guess cornerstones
and helping him get throughworkouts, get through certain
scenarios.
So I ended up learning aboutthem through, through him and
like, I'll put on like an hour,hour and a half, like of the

(51:32):
motivational speeches ormonologues and just start going
at it.
And I'm like, I listened to it.
I embody it, especially whenthey're saying like the whole.
Part of self-discipline boilsdown to self discipline.
Is there it's whether you'regoing to grab it and go for the
ride, you know, and like corralin that, the discipline, it all

(51:54):
boils down to you.
And so those guys are like kindof one of my, like main two guys
that I listened to when it comesto like, kind of getting in a
zone, psyching myself up to getsomething done.
So I know those guys, I thinkit's like Goggins says 30% or
something is most people, maybethat's not right.
Maybe it's like 60%.

(52:15):
Most people push themselves.
And they think when this, all Ican do, it's really only like
60% or something.
I don't even know the number,But his advice is usually like
to push yourself to beuncomfortable.
Right.
So in what ways.
have you pushed yourself to beuncomfortable since undergrad?
And have you challenged yourselfoutside of your career?
I pushed myself to my level ofuncomfortability.

(52:38):
Like in that regard is justanything, everything I do just
learn and understand like, evenin regards to for me, I I'm, I
haven't touched base on thisyet, but like going back to the
meal prep thing, I, I live withmy partner, my girlfriend and we
meal prep.
We cook all the time.

(52:58):
Like cooking is kind of pivotalhelps me stay in shape and kind
of keep mean as I'm like runningaround doing 26 to 30,000 steps
a day at work.
But like, kinda remember likethe course of the question,
trying to get back to it.
What was it again?
How do you push yourself to beuncomfortable?
You said learning everythingthat you do.
Okay.
And so, yeah, like me being inrelationship, like just striving

(53:22):
to be a better person, makingsure, like I have better time
management for her, from me andmyself being able to like study
as well and get myself to whereI want to be in life.
Like pushing myself to beuncomfortable in the sense of
being an advocate for myself atwork and the hard work that I
do.
So I don't get kinda gypped andscrewed because there are people
like that around there.

(53:43):
So just kind of being vocal andgetting what I deserve in that
sense.
And then also uncomfortabilityand just kinda going out of the
box and kind of putting myselfout there more like, and that's
kinda weird to say, cause I knowfrom your standpoint, I'm
already kind of an outgoing guyand people already like talked
to me and stuff like that, butTrying things new.

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So um, prior to me having mygirlfriend, like I never did
charcuterie board and shit likethat.
I just thought it was, oh,whatever.
It's like girls doing panty andstuff.
Not as shit is fun, bro.
Like, Hey, I don't know, you'regetting eaten some like bank as
she's and some other stuff likethat.
But like, I, I don't the examplelike that is basically like.

(54:27):
Do something different?
Do something slightlyuncomfortable, like out of your
realm of what you normally woulddo on your Friday or Saturday?
Yeah, man, I think I was talkingto my friend, Dan, about this,
about how doing somethingdifferent.
It helps you form better andstronger memories, right?
Like even if you really loveyour routine, if it's the same
routine every week, it's allgonna blend together.

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And then when you look back onit, it's just going to be like,
what have I been doing for thepast year?
You know, it's just the same,you know, Netflix, or even if
it's working out, it's the sameroutines every night, you know,
but if you're doing cardio oneweek and lifting the next
weekend, yoga the next week andcharcuterie boards, you're going
to have these rich memories tolook back on and hold on to, I
don't know.
I almost think.

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time is like its own art, right?
Like my life is, is who I amnow.
Like the body, the person, the,the way I can communicate, but
also like my timeline is likethis piece of art as well.
And, and the friends I have, theactivities I do, it's all, those
are all paint brushes on likethis big masterpiece that I'm

(55:30):
making.
Right.
And you know, if I do the samething for too long, it's just
the same shade of whatever, youknow?
And it's just not exciting tolike look back on and think
about, and, you know, it's, it'svery, it's very important, I
think to switch it up and do newthings all the time every year,
you know, it's crazy that yousay that because like for
example, COVID it felt like timestopped, but like two years blue

(55:54):
by bro.
Everyone's was at home doingthis and that minus those that
were like in Miami and otherplaces, but.
Time kind of stopped foreveryone.
Everyone else was kind of inplace sheltered and like had to
work from home.
So when you look back up, it'slike, whoa, what happened two
years literally slipped out andI barely did anything.
I felt like I had theseambitions and goals in 2019.

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And then here we are in 20 21,20 22, you know?
that makes you take value attime and like appreciate time
and try to seize time and notlet it be wasted by those that
are not trying to betterthemselves or learn new things
and stuff like that.
And that also leads me to mysecond references back at work.
I have some coworkers they'refrom New York.

(56:36):
they from the hood, the, thisand that.
When they heard, I gosnowboarding, right?
Black guy goes snowboard.
And what the heck?
My Louis, I kind of want to tryit now.
I guess if you, you go and yousurvive and blah, blah, blah.
And so like, I started takingsome of these cats out, like,
gone out maybe three or fourtimes with a bunch of other
people and they've never gonebefore and they starting to get

(56:56):
a hook.
Like you guys are starting tofigure it out.
And they're like, yo, let meknow when you go, let me know
when you go.
And they're like, they'rerealizing I gotta change it up.
I got to learn something new orlife's going to get boring and
you'll feel meaningless.
And like, there's no point toyour life and stuff like that.
You gotta, like you said,strengthen memories and involved
because if not, your ideas kindof become incest and they're,

(57:18):
they're not evolving intosomething new.
Yeah, man.
No, that's another bigrealization that I've had
recently too is not only.
Creating new memories, switchingit up, but also sharing that
experience with people like youknow, not, not in the like
social media type of way, butlike if you're not really
sitting down and like showingsomeone else a new experience or
at least, you know, reflectingon it with someone or bringing

(57:40):
other people into thatexperience, then it just kind of
stays isolated.
And it, it gets stale as well.
Like I was doing a lot ofinteresting stuff with my app
for a long time, but, but untilthe podcast like I was sharing
the app, but I wasn't sharingthat experience.
I wasn't connecting with peopleand, and, you know, doing new
things with people and that yourlife can get pretty stale too,

(58:02):
if you don't either join peopleor encourage them to do your
thing, or at least like you weresaying with the tennis stuff,
have interesting conversationswith people on the regular, like
things getting stale andwhatnot.
I knew myself, like during COVIDI wanted to like get back in
shape and stuff like that.
And I, like you said, I didsomething that you asked me
before doing somethinguncomfortable and like, I made

(58:24):
it a thing to like work.
at home because clearly gymsthere, they weren't a thing
during COVID you can't go andfreaking hit the bench and do
the Smith machine and otherstuff like that.
So I started hitting the jailjail house workout as they call
it.
Push-ups sit-ups pull-ups.
And I gained access to like somelike a kettlebell, some 25 pound

(58:45):
weights, 10 pound weights andresistance bands, and started
also working on flexibility.
That's another thing, a lot ofpeople start neglecting and it's
another form of strength that isgoing to be key to your actual
life when you get older.
Cause once you get older, youstart getting stiff and things
break down.
And so uh, yeah, I started doingthat, but segwaying, like you

(59:07):
said, back to this podcast, Oh,I was just saying the podcast
has been keeping me sane.
That's it?
Like I moved during thepandemic.
So it was hard for me to makefriends, you know, so this has
been how I connect with peopleand it's, you know, it's, I've
almost been forced to do this ina way, you know, or else I
wouldn't connect enough as muchas I needed, you know, so I

(59:28):
don't know.
That's just been a nice, part ofthis for me is that it's been
very therapeutic, That's kind ofironic because the way this has
been for you, for me, justworking out and working on my
flexibility has kind of beenlike my sanity.
Like everyone knows there'stherapy and working out and
running and doing cardio andstuff like that, but being able
to do it during the pandemic andmy roommate, he was working on

(59:50):
jujitsu and like kind of a sidestory.
He, he had this hip injury frombeing in the military and
rucking with.
1520 pounds or 30 pound bag onyour back or mile.
So eventually wearing tear,build scar tissue and some
damage in his right hip.
But like, he started likegetting the stretching and
jujitsu and stuff like that.
So we kinda like startedbuilding each other up

(01:00:11):
physically and stuff like thatthrough the pandemic.
And then sometimes I don't knowif you saw, but I would like
post some stuff where I waslike, just finishing a workout
or just like doing a stretch.
And even then some people arelike, messaging me, like, Hey,
like what's good for this.
What's good for that.
And I mean, granted, I'm not adoctor and PT and stuff like
that, but I like share someadvice and that's kind of been

(01:00:35):
like my sanity and just beingable to help people in that,
even if it's specifically notthe medicinal or medicine
career, I'm like seeking, youknow, I'm still being able to
like, kinda get my foot in tohelping someone else and better
their lives.
Well, also, you said like one ofthe ways you challenge yourself
is to learn everything you do.

(01:00:55):
Right.
Not just go through thosemotions, but it's kind of hard
to learn, learn something andmaster something, unless you're
also educating other people aswell.
You know, like you can't reallygrasp a subject until you become
a teacher.
I feel like right thoroughly.
And that's one thing in Memphisin my mom actually mentioned it.
She's a doctor.
She was saying in medicine, youfirst you learn it.

(01:01:18):
Then you teach it.
Cause that's when you know thatyou truly know it.
So in again, in medicine,patient, everyone's different.
what you might learn in thetextbook is going to like vary
from like someone let's sayPuerto Rican descent versus
someone of like Russian descent,like maybe their blood type or
like the way they handle certainthings varies.

(01:01:38):
you just got to always be ableto learn and be able to like
fall back on whatever teachingsyou have and teach others in
order to like, eventually learnfrom mistakes that will arise in
your career.
Hmm.
So wait, did your mom work inmedicine?
And like if she did, I guessthat's like an extremely
important relationship to youthen for she's I guess when

(01:02:00):
guiding you, what, what kind ofrole has she played in all this?
she's been very heavily involvedin with us to making sure that I
get into more one initially likeundergrad, undergrad, or there's
going to be the first step ingetting me to where I wanted to
be in medicine.
And then to She she's been anadvocate.
She's like, make sure you applyand make sure you like reach out

(01:02:22):
to this person, do that.
If you have interest in this,here are some links in that.
So she's provided me withresources to make kind of like
my decisions and to where I wantto be in medicine.
She has her own plate kind offull right now, unfortunately.
So I can't say she's been ableto give a hundred percent of
like maybe what she'd want to doto be able to help me.
But she's been there.

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She's been a great resource inreference in order to understand
some things.
Yeah man, I, my dad's a lawyerand I never wanted to be a
lawyer I'm like, but, but I'vealways wanted to start my own
company and I don't have anyonein my family.
That's done that.
In fact, I've been recommended,like not to do that.
It's like, Hey, you should staythe, you shouldn't take this
risky path.

(01:03:03):
So.
even if she's busy with her ownstuff, it must, it's nice that
you have someone to, to be amentor and to just talk through
like some of the stuff you'regoing through, because I've
looked for an entrepreneurmentor at times, and it's, it's
hard to build that relationshipwith another adult.
It's it's difficult.
It's very difficult sometimes.
So that's great that you havesomeone that can at least just

(01:03:25):
nudge you in the right directionat times, or just understands,
like, you know, cause I want toask you certain questions about
your career and I'm like hittingwalls where I'm like, dude, I
just don't understand.
I'm just not going to understandwhat the heck you're saying at a
certain point.
Like if we jumped deep into theanesthesia stuff, it's going to
be like right over my head, youknow?

(01:03:46):
No, no, I definitely hear you onthat, but yeah, it's been good
to have her in my corner becauseshe definitely understands the
day-to-day is that um, people gothrough in a hot.
Yeah, man.
And I feel like you need to talkabout that stuff at some point.
is it like some degree of liketraumatizing to be in that
hospital to see this stuff?
It's hard to say the trauma, thetrauma doesn't necessarily come.

(01:04:12):
We can come from the patient,whether it be like pacing,
getting sicker or patient, likegoing into an episode.
And like, you're like, oh myGod, that was like very scary.
But we were able to bring themback.
Sometimes it's that sometimesit, it, it, it goes down to the,
just like in any corporation,just BS, politics and favoritism

(01:04:33):
and stuff like that.
So that's where more of thetrauma and anx that most people
feel.
I feel like that's where itcomes from rather than the
day-to-day work with blood gore,whatever you want to call it.
One other question I thought itwould be interesting to ask is
what kind of advice do you havefor like the regular person, as
far as staying healthy and likepreventing, like ending up in

(01:04:58):
some of these situations wherethey do need medical help?
What w what do you do in yourown life?
We talked about like stayingactive and eating well, but
yeah.
What do you do in your own lifeto make sure that you don't
require medical attention andwhat kind of advice do you think
people need to hear in thatrealm?
I'll go into that.
And then I'm a small anecdote,which I didn't necessarily do

(01:05:20):
the right thing, but um, themeasures that took to physically
be.
And be alert a lot of me to kindof get away without necessarily
seeking medical attention, butI'll digress and I'll, I'll
focus on first, like focus onyour physicality stay active,
stay active in some sort ofcapacity, stay active and

(01:05:43):
healthy by doing so, like you'reable to provide your body with
the necessarily fuel equipmentto combat infectious diseases.
Cause on the wreck, even by themicrosecond, your body is like
fighting off some sort ofdisease or bacteria that you
inhale or ingested, just so thatyou don't feel it.
And eventually feel sick.

(01:06:04):
And I have to run to thebathroom per se, but like eat
healthy, stay active, try to beactive at least three times a
week.
I'd say like at least having onehigh intensity day so that you
push your heart rate, pushyourself to achieve new Heights.
And even if you, get to thethreshold of, let's say your,
your weight versus like outputmaintain it, that you don't have

(01:06:25):
to necessarily keep pushingfurther.
Cause I mean, you could causefurther strain and damage on
yourself.
But like I said, three times aweek, one high intensity day,
and also one of the days duringthe week stretch stretching is
another major thing.
Like flexibility is very keybecause a lot of people, they do
a lot of jerks and cleans andmoves and that without

(01:06:45):
necessarily stretching saidmuscles.
So they ended up tweaking, itcaused a major damage.
And therefore like therehabilitation process is just
like arduous because peopleeither aren't consistent with it
or like the pain itself is justlike bad because you got a lot
of scar tissue and this andthat.
So.
Stretch stretching is very, verykey in like making sure you have

(01:07:08):
longevity in your life.
And then lastly, rest, rest repscan or not last, I guess, but
rest as well.
Rest is key in regards torecovery is growth as well.
Like reskin very many forms.
Some people like me, I can dofive hours a night, get up and

(01:07:28):
go work at 13 hour shift.
Whereas other people are like,no, I need at least seven.
I need at least eight hours.
But get rest, allow your body torecover and recuperate and
listen to your body.
And then finally hydrate anddrink water By exercising, raise
your body temp in order to helpcombat diseases and other stuff
like that, that your body ismight be undergoing, but

(01:07:51):
hydration as well, cleans yourkidneys, cleans your system and
allows your body to also flushwhatever it's fighting out of
your system faster.
So that like you have even lessof a chance of realizing that
your body was fightingsomething.
And so like, for example, duringCOVID I, I was hydrating, I was

(01:08:12):
drinking like two liters ofwater a day.
I was doing volume of jailhouseworkout.
So like 200, 300 pushups a daywith like 50, 60 pull ups.
And then I'm doing like, 400,500 crunches, and then I'm doing
curls and other stuff like that.
So I was doing volume and whatthat did was elevate my body

(01:08:35):
tempt to just like fight offanything and everything, and I'd
go shower, clean myself off fromthe day.
Make sure there's no COVID onme.
And then rest and recover, getgood.
A good like five hours of sleep.
After I had some protein go towork, come back, work out, do
the same thing, get that mentalrelease that I need after a long

(01:08:57):
day.
Also get the physical buildup oflike bettering myself, which is
also mental as well.
By doing the physical, I alsoallow myself to fight
internally.
Anything that could have.
Infected me during that time.
And so by doing that, like indrinking water, I feel like I
was able to fight off COVID andnot really catch it.

(01:09:18):
And the only time I caught it,actually it was back about a
month and a half ago.
And even then it was just, mynose was running for about a day
and then it stopped.
And so I quantity and I wasdoing pushups.
I was doing sit-ups like, I, I wI felt perfectly fine, but I was
like, I'm not going to just sithere and like, give it the

(01:09:40):
bacteria or the virus potentialto like, overcome me just cause
I'm laying in bed and beingstagnant.
Let me, let me get the bodymoving again.
Let me drink more water andovercome this so that I don't
get the adverse effects.
Like most other people thatended up in hospitals or other
people that ended up reallygetting kicked in the ass by
COVID, you know?
Yeah, dude, I I've been tryingto implement a lot of these

(01:10:03):
healthy changes over the lasttwo years.
I've, I've had the time to aswell, which has been nice, but
it seems very stressful to betold these things and to be
like, oh, I got to force myselfto drink so much water every day
for the rest of my life orwhatever it is.
But the nice thing is, is onceyou start implementing some of
these changes, your body expectsthem and you started doing them

(01:10:24):
automatically.
Like now if I don't drink enoughwater, I started getting very
thirsty and I naturally start,you know reaching for the water
without, and in the beginning,I'd have to like force it down,
you know?
I had this realization the otherday too, because I've been
eating a lot of Greek yogurt,and then we got this new type of
Greek yogurt.
It was like vanilla flavored.

(01:10:44):
And I, I was like, Hmm, I don'tlike this at all.
I don't like this.
And then the next day Irealized, oh, that yogurt had a
lot more sugar in it than theone I'm usually used to.
And I was like, oh, like mybody, without even knowing,
looking at the label andthinking about, oh, cause I used
to have to think, well, this hasgot too much sugar.
I don't want this, but now I'mlike, oh, I didn't even like the

(01:11:06):
thing with a lot of sugar, Inaturally was just like, oh, I
like this one.
And I didn't have to consciouslymake that decision to cut the
sugar out or anything.
It just, I didn't know why Ididn't like it, but I just
didn't like it.
And it's because I've been in ahealthier place with less sugar
in my life.
And now a lot of sugar, a lot ofsugar will upset me.
Same thing.
I cut out a lot of red meats.

(01:11:27):
They'll now they'll upset mystomach.
I don't have to worry aboutsaying no to a steak.
I'm just like, eh, I don't wantit.
You know, like I want thechicken instead.
Things like that just fall intoyour life easier.
Where in the beginning, when itcomes to making the changes, it
feels like, man, I'm going tohave to force these changes,
like the rest of my life, butit's not really like that.
It's not, you'll startgravitating towards the

(01:11:48):
healthier life, if you justpoint yourself in the right
direction, you know?
Yeah, absolutely.
Right.
Couldn't have said it any bettermyself.
Uh, Nope.
Hey one other thing I think I'dlike to hear about is you said
that you wanted to be a doctorgo into the medical field to, to
help people to really give yourall towards people.

(01:12:08):
So when you do a surgery or justany sort of treatment and it
helps, what does that feel?
What does it feel like to, tosee a patient who's cured who
came in with an issue they'releaving with, their health what,
what does that feel like foryou.
For me, it feels good knowingabout it.
It impacted someone.
See a lot of different things ona day to day.

(01:12:29):
Like some days I'm, I'm workingalongside an anesthesiologist
and I room doing cataracts andsometimes I'm working alongside
an anesthesiologist in the laborroom The workload, especially
because COVID put a hole on alot of procedures and stuff like
that.
We've had an uptick just to likemake up for lost time and it's

(01:12:52):
been hard.
Like you're, you're justchurning out numbers, turning
out patients this and that.
And like sometimes some of thesepatients they'll like wake up
from anesthesia, like, oh, it'shome.
Oh, wow.
That was awesome.
I don't remember anything.
I don't feel anything likethanks man.
And those little moments likethat, it's like, all right.
I, that was kind of low for justlike those little moments can

(01:13:13):
make your day and like kindakeep propelling you to enjoy
what you do in life.
Especially like, when, again,like I said before there they're
bureaucratic nonsense that canderail your mind and kind of
make you angry and stuff likethat.
Not to mention like what couldpotentially go wrong with your
patient during surgery?
Like you're, you're cranking outsurgery after surgery, so you're

(01:13:35):
just praying for a smooth dayoverall.
a little moments like that canreally like really just make
your day and make a smile.
Dude, this is a tangent, butthis reminded me of this tic
talk.
I just saw which it was like,you know, the movie, snow white.
from her perspective, the appleate actually did have magical
powers because she took a biteof the apple and then she just

(01:13:57):
passes out.
So from her perspective, shetakes a bite of the apple and
then she just wakes up and thenshe's got like her perfect dream
man there.
And everything's good.
Right.
So if the movie was from herperspective, it was just.
it just seems like a magicalapple, but from like the, the
real movie, there's all thischaos that ensures, and she's
got no clue what's going on.
It kind of reminded me of youranesthesiologist, patients who

(01:14:19):
just wake up, like all this shitgoes down while they're passed
out and you're stressed out.
But like, from theirperspective, it's just like,
Hey, that was easy.
I was like, bro, we're going toput like, bro, that like, that
was not easy.
You have no clue.

(01:14:40):
We were worried for a secondwhere there would be some data
like that.
It's like, bruh, this wasunnecessarily difficult.
Like, well go back to the room.
We're like, bro, why, why didthis turn out the way it is?
Like, I don't know, but just,I'm glad she's okay.
I'm glad he's okay.
Oh, well, this is, this is anintense turn, but so with, with

(01:15:04):
death kind of being on the line,like, how do you, how do you
think about death?
How do you think about your ownmortality and are you reminded
that on the daily and then, andthen how does that play into
your life?
Because at least a littletangent personally is, is like a
philosophy is to like treateveryday, like it's your last,
right?
And that's just kind of asaying, but, but people have
advised me or I've heard justlike, if you really do think

(01:15:27):
about like dying tomorrow and,and things like that, like, it
really helps you live life in abetter direction.
So I don't know.
Maybe you could speak to yourbrushes with mortality and how
that change has changed yourperspective in any way.
Well, I've definitely had a fewbrushes with mortality outside

(01:15:47):
of work.
One of them, when I was headedto work, I got hit by a car
fight, went to work this likeSaturday morning, like five 50
in the morning, there was no oneon the road.
And like this one dude decidesto like, not use this indicator
or look where he's turning andthen just completely like

(01:16:08):
sideswipes me.
So if he's coming up and makinga right and I'm going straight,
he's not looking no indication.
And then just whips out ofnowhere.
But thankfully I saw him coming.
I'm like, what the heck is hedoing?
Is he going straight, is makingright.
I can't tell.
And I saw him slowing down, so Islowed down myself.
And then thank God I did becauseit was when he whipped that.

(01:16:29):
Right.
Thankfully I was able to kind ofhook myself at an angle and roll
off the side of his car and thenlike legit, just kind of lay
there for a second, like realizewhat happened and kind of get
myself back up.
specifics of that story, likenothing really Institute in
regards to him because he was animmigrant in barely spoken

(01:16:49):
English.
He just kind of knew how to useUber and collect money.
But I basically, at that point Itold him, I was like, yo, I'm
good.
Just go whatever.
Through my bicycle, I shoulderwalked about 10 blocks to work
and then punched in my likewhole wheel was bent like an S
like, I couldn't even ride thebike anymore.
The handlebars like fucked up.
I was working in the labor unitto, in RERP to this guy, but I

(01:17:14):
told this one doctor, I waslike, yo I just got hit by a car
probably like on the way towork.
And I'm thinking I shouldprobably.
Like get an ice pack orsomething like, bro, go to the
ER, downstairs, a good checkedout.
What are you doing?
But like, I remember yourquestion earlier as well,
besides like the mortalityquestion right now, you were
like like what necessarily likekinda helps protect yourself.

(01:17:36):
Like I feel like me beingphysically there and also
mentally alert, allow me to likesustain damage without
sustaining more damage that thatI could have, you know, where
some other people will, they gethit, they would have been taken
out my ass, went to work.
I threw the bike over myshoulder and kept walking.
Like some people would havecalled an ambulance.

(01:17:57):
They were like, I legitimatelycan't like, bro, I was able to
bounce back.
But again, like the back andmortality question, like moments
like that, it's like, yo, I got.
Start thinking of the future.
Think of my life, make sure Ilike have both eyes looking
around having one ear, bud,maybe a set of twos, like have

(01:18:17):
an ear to the street and makesure that I'm not like going to
get hit by something.
Then another thing too, themortality question, the one dude
recently that was the news lastTuesday or Wednesday for the
subway shooting.
I'm not sure if you heard muchabout that, but like they ended
up apprehending him like 10blocks from where I live.
Well, stuff like that, but like,thankfully I don't, I don't take

(01:18:39):
the subway anymore.
I I'd say I bike to and fromwork.
So I deal with all thecraziness, but like that's
another reminder that you justgotta be thankful for the life
that you do have, and you justgotta be vigilant all around.
But in regards to the mortalityat work, I did have an incident
when I was shadowing a doctorback in 20, maybe 15 or

(01:19:01):
something like that.
Don and my ax 7 5, 7 area, BonSecours medical center.
Basically this one, like, let'ssay 70 year old lady, she was
coming in for like a checkupbecause she was supposed to have
something removed.
She wasn't able to make herappointment or something like
that.
So she ended up coming to the ERbecause she felt something
weird.
so I go in, I'm shattering thisdoctor, we go in, we're just

(01:19:22):
chatting.
He was like 40 something yearsold, like recently divorced, but
not.
So he's like, oh my God, man, Ican eat you up.
Like just talking life and beingjovial and youthful with this
doctor.
And.
Fast forward two hours later,she ended up coding and dying

(01:19:42):
and leg.
It's like, what the heck?
You, you were, you showed nosigns of kind of like death.
You, you showed life every ounceof it and sort of sorted away.
And like, it's crazy how in aninstant, your body can just say,
nah, I'm good.
And just like, turn a blind eyeto you.
And like, after that, like I wasgood in the moment I was good,

(01:20:03):
like throughout the wholeshadowing session.
But like before I pulled out ofthe medical center, I kind of
just sat in the car and I tearedup like a little bit and I was
like, damn, she was alive.
And now she's not.
And I just, through that moment,I felt like even though I didn't
really know, know her, like Ihad a small relationship with
her.
Cause like she was my quoteunquote patient.

(01:20:25):
Like I was there in the room.
I knew what was going on, whyshe was in the ER that day and
everything, but she never madeit out.
So like that reminds you, justlike, even when you do the best
that you can do, like life canthrow wrenches at you and you
not, may not be able to saveeveryone, but keep at it.

(01:20:47):
Keep, keep fighting to bebetter.
Keep fighting, to understand whyand keep fighting to be the best
clinician person you could be.
Yeah, man, for the first story,I feel like even if you were
lifting weights all the time andeven maybe doing cardio is
probably the activities likesnowboarding and tennis.

(01:21:08):
Kept you vigilant enough to,almost Dodge that car or to
like, like you said soften theblow, I've been working out a
lot, but that's maybe a wake upcall for me to do some more
athletic type of activitiesbecause I just been worried
about more long-term, you know,preventing any sort of health
condition.
But, if I go play somevolleyball or some soccer, those

(01:21:29):
kinds of activities that aregoing to keep me more alert in
these random, just things thatlife can throw at you, you know,
quick, Twitch fibers would havecome in handy getting a car.
You know, you usually use themon fricking like basketball or
running or soccer, but like toDodger Carlo in New York, that
actually doesn't sound like thecraziest story.

(01:21:50):
Like the most unrealisticsituation, dude.
I know y'all got a lot oftraffic, But, yeah, man, I guess
so when, when patients come inand they're super sick and they
pass away, it's, it's sadalways, but it's not as
traumatizing.
It's not as unexpected and, andon a, you and me are people that
are filled with life.
And, and I feel like we bothhave a purpose here on this

(01:22:12):
earth to go do, but God can takethat away at any moment.
Right.
it doesn't always have ameaning.
Like you meet people like that.
There are certain people that,you know, either celebrities or
people in my life that havepassed away, not because of
cancer or something, it's justan incident.
And it's like, there is a lessonto be learned of like be careful
or whatever, but sometimes thereis no lesson, right?

(01:22:34):
Sometimes it's just, I guess thelesson is to be happy with what
you've accomplished thus far,because cause it could, yeah,
exactly.
Okay, last question.
And then I'll let you go.
Cause, cause I've been, I heldyou a little bit longer than I
said.
So What do you think is themeaning of life?
I feel like this was one of yourpledge questions.

(01:22:58):
Yeah.
One of my favorite, my, myfavorite podcaster, he asked
this question and I always lovethe answers to this one.
So w what do I think the meaningof life is?
Yeah.
I'm trying not to get so logicalcause you know, me, I can get
philosophical and all this greatstuff, but to kind of break it
down, maybe two or small, quickthings, I think life in the

(01:23:20):
literal sense is to show lovelike a lot of different.
Religious sex in ethicalbackgrounds and ethnic
backgrounds their core valueshave been centered around love,
morals, and morality.
They've encompass had beenfocused on love.
And so with that members likeshow love, even when you don't
understand why someone's actingsome sort of way.

(01:23:41):
Remember to show love wheneveryou might feel upset, just
remember show love, like in, inwhatever, best way you can.
No, one's going to be perfect.
God knows we're not going to beperfect, but you just got to
remember to try to walk in love.
And then to the purpose ofliving is to keep living like
the purpose of life is to keepliving whether that is to give

(01:24:02):
back because transfer of energy,transfer of knowledge is like,
And being able to pass thatalong as the preservation and
even the birth of new life.
And so it just makes sure thatyou either, you, you pass it
along that way, or you just keepfighting to better yourself and

(01:24:24):
better others around you.
Through that.
You will find the true versionof you, the meaning of life that
is purposed for you, andhopefully be able to help others
in finding their purpose orinspire others to find their
purpose.
Perfect, man, I think that's,that's a great place to end.
Thank you so much.
You, you are just an amazingperson, David.

(01:24:46):
I, I was always really inspiredwhen I live with you.
You just ooze with wisdomsometimes, you know, and I think
you definitely showed that todayand yeah, man, I, I just
appreciate your, your life'sgoal, your mission, everything
you're about.
And just like I said, your, yourlifestyle, the balance, the
structure, and you're justsomeone that I think everyone

(01:25:06):
should, should strive to belike, man.
Oh, thanks, man.
I appreciate that.
I'm by no means not purveyingany way, but I try to put my
best foot forward and uh, beingan example, you know?
Well, thank you, dude.
We all appreciate it.
I appreciate you having metoday.

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