Finding Love in PT School | Ep 95

Matt and Gianna's love story begins where many great partnerships do—unexpectedly, in a college dance class where basketball manager Matt's surprising dance moves caught dancer Gianna's attention. Their parallel journeys through Quinnipiac University's physical therapy program reveal how personal injuries shaped their career paths and eventually brought them together.

The couple shares how their athletic backgrounds inform their approach to treating patients. Matt, whose basketball career was altered by a dislocated kneecap in high school, now specializes in helping golfers overcome mechanical issues causing back, hip, and shoulder pain. Gianna, drawing from years of competitive dance experience, works with dancers and gymnasts who struggle with the paradox of extreme flexibility without adequate stability—often leading to chronic injuries.

What stands out most in their conversation is their shared passion for treating motivated patients. "Not everyone's sport is a sport," Matt explains. "Some people's sport is being able to go on a nice long walk without pain." This perspective—treating every patient as an athlete pursuing their own meaningful activities—has reinvigorated their careers and created more successful outcomes.

Their story also touches on navigating dating during COVID, working together professionally as a couple, and building specialized physical therapy practices that leverage their unique backgrounds. Through personal anecdotes about sneaking into movie theaters on early dates and competing together in intramural sports, Matt and Gianna demonstrate how shared values and complementary skills can build both a successful relationship and professional partnership.

Want to learn more about specialized physical therapy for athletes, dancers, or golfers? Have questions about your own pain or movement issues? Call the Driven Athlete team at 561-899-8725 to discover how their athlete-centered approach might help you return to the activities you love.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach
and pursue a higher qualitylife with some ambition, then
guess what this podcast is foryou.
This is the Driven AthletePodcast.
What's up?
Y'all?
It's your man, dr Kyle.
Welcome back to the DrivenAthlete Podcast.
We got some cool guests with usour own in-house PTs, dr Matt

(00:20):
and Dr Gianna, who just gotmarried, by the way, so we're
going to hear some stories aboutthat.
But thanks for shedding timefrom your busy schedules to come
in and chat more and then sharesome stories with our listeners
.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Of course.
Thanks for having us.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
So first I wanted to ask, or have you guys share your
story when are you guys from?
Where are you from originally?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
We're both from Monmouth County, new Jersey, so
central Jersey.
For those people who debatenorth-south, it's central
Middletown and Matt's fromHowell, so very close to each
other.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
I know, I mean, I really don't know much about the
New England area, new Jersey,about the New England area, the
New Jersey, philly, new York,long Island, like all the
dynamics between the chaos upthere.
Is there a thing between northsouth central Jersey, like
what's that mean?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
A hundred percent.
A lot of people say centralJersey doesn't exist.
It's either north or south, butwe're smack in the center.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
So I am a firm believer that central Jersey
does exist.
If you were to fold the statein, half we'd live on the line.
Okay, but yeah, then there'salso the people who live in
Rahway or Bergen County, who areeight miles from New York, who
claim that they're also CentralJersey.
So it depends on who you ask.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
So people who live in Central are like no.
New Jerseyans who live inCentral are like there's a thing
.
And then North and South, likeget over yourself, like there's
no Central.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Basically, yeah, a silly argument, but like we're
set in our ways.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
But I know that I mean New Englanders are.
They have opinions, they'reopinionated, For sure, and they
have their ways of belief, right?
So New Jersey?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
technically is not part of New England.
New England, new England'sconsidered like Massachusetts,
maine, vermont, new HampshireI'd say we're more like the
tri-state.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Tri-state.
Yeah, pennsylvania, new York,in Jersey, that's a tri-state
area.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Anything northeast of that is New England, alright.
Well, thank you for letting meknow that that's good to know.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
So then northeast would be a better term, or just
tri-state area, or justtri-state area, tri-state
northeast yeah, not new england,though all right and y'all both
went to uh quinnipiac yes isthat and that's where would
y'all meet.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Where's the first time you guys saw each other?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
at quinnipiac, um, actually in a dance class.
Um, I was the.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I'm the dancer, not matt um based on some weddings,
may you know, up for argument.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
But some highlight reels of dance of uh weddings
might suggest otherwise mightsuggest matt's the dancer, um,
but yeah, he was in a fraternityand my dance team they had to
do events with, uh, greek life,so we did one with his
fraternity and we taught themlike a 30 second, if we're lucky
dance.
And that's when I saw Mattbusting out his good moves and

(03:10):
couldn't look away.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
You're like that's the guy I want to go after.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
That's the guy.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Who approached who first?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
It was like a friend who was like kind of friends
with him but danced with me andconnected us.
But he did follow me onInstagram first, so you know, I
guess that counts.
I guess.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
So you were like are you, you're Gianna, like good to
meet you in person?
No, no, no, that was me, no,that was her.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
What'd you do.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
That was at a fraternity party.
You know classic fraternityparty you know classic
fraternity party, um, and I justwalked up and I said hey, I
think you're in my physics class.
He was like yeah, I am and thatwas it that was it that's funny
but yeah, that's how.
I guess the first time wetalked was probably then.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, and then in class.
Once you kind of made theconnection and stuff.
I remember in it was like cprand like first aid and aed class
or whatever is when we likekind of like actually connection
and stuff.
I remember in it was like CPRand like first aid and AED class
or whatever it was when we likekind of like, actually started.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, you sat right behind.
I think behind me right or infront of me.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Either way, but yeah, that was kind of Sat close to
each other, sat close to eachother.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Funny.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
We had a couple of classes here and there.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
We'd pop in so.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
So you had a couple of classes together.
You all see each otherfrequently because it's the same
major, I assume.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, same undergrad track.
So Quinnipiac, for PT schoolyou have an option you can do a
4 plus 3 or a 3 plus 3.
Gianna is an overachiever, soshe did the 3 plus 3.
I did the 4 plus 3.
So during my I guess like tailend of junior year, she started
to take some of those classes.
And then my senior year, herjunior year, she was in a

(04:46):
healthy amount of my classes, Iwould say, and then grad school,
everything together, but yeahit narrows down, so like
eventually you only have acouple of classes left and
there's only a one or two youcould allow to take.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
So we funneled it into a couple together.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
So I mean I, I know you guys were, you were in dance
and Quinnipiac and then you didbasketball stuff.
So you guys are busy, yeah, andyou're fraternity.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, very busy.
Yeah, undergrad, it was ahectic time for sure.
Um, I mean, yeah, classschedule, I mean for basketball,
being a manager with thebasketball team, uh, my day was
pretty much blocked off.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I couldn't do any classes from like 11 AMm to 4 pm
every day really, so I had tokind of sandwich my classes
outside of that so like 8 to 11,8 to 10 30, 8 to 11 am, and
then night classes that's a rarething for a college student to
have an 8 am class and then dowell in it and show up yeah,
yeah, we didn't say he showed up, I was registered for this
class, but

Speaker 3 (05:38):
I showed up, I did well, but there was yeah, there
was.
I mean traveling too like you.
Just definitely you're gettingpulled out, like every friday
for the most part, especiallyduring the season so as the you
were the manager of thequinnipiac basketball team.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Quinnipiac is division one.
Yep, um, how did you land thatlike?
What'd you do like?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
honestly right place at right time.
Uh, it was fall of freshmanyear.
I just I don't even know whereI met him.
I actually met him this weekend.
Um, there was this guy namedjohn salvanchik shout out john.
Um, I met him at I want to sayit was a rush event and he was a
.
He was a sophomore, was amanager of the team.
We just started talking andthen I was like, oh, I'd be
really interested in doing that.

(06:15):
I played in high school growingup, played pretty competitively
.
And then he got me an interviewwith his boss at the time, um,
who was the director of ops forthe team, and then kind of just
plugged it.
Once I met him, he was like,give me a great fit, and I just
kind of plugged in from there.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
And you were all.
I mean you grew up playingbasketball, competitively,
travel, aau, all that stuff.
Did you ever have aspirationsto play college?

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah for sure.
I definitely was recruited toplay division three at a number
of schools Just not a lot ofDivision three schools have
physical therapy programs and Iknew what I wanted to do at a
younger age.
Once I kind of knew that PT wasthe route for me, it kind of
narrowed down the basket ofschools you could go to.
I'd say there's Ithaca had agood D three physical therapy

(06:57):
program.
The basketball team just wasn'ta fit, so that was kind of out.
And then I strongly consideredgoing to Gettysburg to play Cool
, but no PT program.
I would have had to do like abio major and I had already
gotten into Quinnipiac at thistime with a pretty good
scholarship.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
So passing that out.
So you wanted the streamlinedpathway undergrad grad school at
the same school.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
It just made things so big.
Undergrad PT, yeah, and thefinancial aspect of it was just.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
It was too good to pass up yeah, so it was just so
that outweighed your desire toplay basketball in college at.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
It took like a a start, not a start talking to.
But, like me, my mom had a hardconversation and kind of was
like listen, like this is whatyou'd be looking at if you
didn't if you do this right.
I definitely wanted to play.
I mean, every guy in high schooldoes, especially if you're
competitive, but it got to thepoint where it was like, all
right, right, you got to make atough decision here and it just
the rest of my life versus thenext four years kind of
outweighed each other.
Yeah, it just wasn't that hardof a decision when you looked at

(07:48):
it that way.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, understood.
Wow, and then dance for you.
You grew up dancing competitivedancer.
What style of dance did yougrow up doing the most, or was
it everything?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
It was kind of everything in the beginning.
You start out with your balletand tap, which then I moved away
from.
I did competitive competition,whereas jazz, contemporary,
hip-hop, lyrical, and then I diddance.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
What's lyrical dance?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
So lyrical is what?

Speaker 4 (08:14):
does that mean Great question, great question.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
So it's like those you ever hear a slow, almost, I
want to say dramatic, elegant,it's very an elegant form of
dance.
um, very interpretive um, that'smore contemporary, it's more of
like modern, um trying to putin like words, you guys don't
understand but in body languageyeah, you know, like you see you

(08:38):
see, those like pretty, likesoft, flowy, like there's such a
range too, to every styleeveryone puts their own like
interpretation into it.
But that was lyrical, moderncontemporaries, more
interpretive, um, and there wasjazz, hip-hop.
I danced in high school, um ona competitive high school team
which was different than thecompetitive studio world, um.

(08:59):
So we did a lot of like palm.
So I must think like cheer palmum, but a little more like
structured with dance, so you'redoing more tricks and stuff
with it, not like cheer whereyou're doing like lifts and
stunts.
So I did a little bit of palm.
And then I was kind of similarboat, like going to college, was

(09:21):
looking at PT schools, waslooking at schools with dance
teams.
I heavily considered going toUDEL, university of Delaware,
because they have a great PTprogram and a great dance team,
but it wasn't direct entry.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
You still had to reapply.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, you basically went for your undergrad.
You got your four years of likea kinesiology degree and then
you decided or if you wanted togo there for pt school a similar
process I'm sure most people gothrough um and they had a great
dance team.
But, you know, when it camedown to it, I knew there was
options to dance at quinnipiac.
They were just going to bedifferent um.

(10:01):
So I ended up choosing and eventry out for the udell dance
team.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I almost did but I didn't.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Maybe that would have swayed me one way, or the other
you know if you made it or not,um, but I ended up choosing
quinnipiac which seems like itended up being a good decision
yeah, you know, I guess itworked out.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
You can say so you and quinnipiac did not have a
dance team at the time no.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
So when I went um, they had three different types
of dance like I guess theycalled them clubs.
They were student run, um.
There was like a hip-hop team,a just regular.
They did all styles of dance.
They did like a showcase andthen um like a tap and a kick
team, um, and I ended up doingthe hip-hop team.

(10:44):
Um, I just kind of like meshedwell with those girls for most
when I met them all um, so I didthat for two years.
I had like a position to helplike run the team.
My sophomore year, which wascool, um, got to like see what
went into running a team rightthen my sophomore year, the
director of athletics or theintramurals at the time said

(11:06):
they were getting funding umfrom our new president to start
club sports so it would be likea more competitive level.
Um, and then there it kind oftook off that I started the
quinnipiac dance team it was theclub dance team for the first
year, but we got that removedand now it's just the Quinnipiac
dance team.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
The official Quinnipiac dance team.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Official Quinnipiac dance team and what does it look
like?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Like you got practices, you got rehearsals
and stuff, and then you guysperform for like where, like for
the basketball team, like withtheater competitions.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
A little bit of both.
The big thing is the UDAcompetition in January.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
What competition?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
UDA, universal Dance Association.
They have that one in January.
That's the one that Quinnipiacwould go to, so they would train
basically the first half of theyear competition.
You could do up to two dancesand then a game day, which was
like a mix of like what youwould do and perform if you were
performing at a basketball orfootball game, um.

(12:08):
So there was that.
That was like the big nationalscompetition, um.
And then for Quinnipiac wedidn't have a football team, it
was only basketball.
So we would perform at everymen's and women's basketball
game um, starting in November,going all the way um to the MAC
tournament tournament in March,and then you spent most of your

(12:29):
time juggling between gettingthose dances ready while doing
the nationals training with yourJanuary Matt, with your dance
history.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
There's two boy men that joined the Vikings
Minnesota Vikings dance team wecould probably talk to the
Dolphins.
We could pull some strings.
Maybe, Get you in with theDolphins, maybe, maybe the
Panthers.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
We have some connections there too.
I saw them.
I think your hips move a littlebetter than theirs.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
He's got some good hips, just saying I reserve my
dancing for the wedding dancecourse.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
After a couple of beverages.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Swinging hips, man, that's awesome.
So the okay with the dancething.
There's a lot of carryoverright With.
I mean there's a specific nichefor dance and PT.
There's this thing I think wetalked about this.
There's this thing, thisnetwork called.
Doctors for Dancers and likenationally that I was a part of
for a little while and they wereconnecting me with dancers that

(13:27):
had issues, or if there's likea performance at the Kravis
Center or something like that,I'm like, hey, we need some
coverage, can you do it?
I'm not even doing it because Iwas just I mean, it's like six
o'clock be there.
I'm like, oh my.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
God, I would say the hours probably aren't.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
And was the reason why you went towards PT.
With your history of dance andstuff and noticing injuries or
whatever, did you have your owninjuries?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
A little bit.
So knock on wood.
I luckily didn't have any likechanging, like bad injuries
where I had to go to PT, but myfriends like left and right it
was mostly knees.
I had like a really good friendwho had knee surgery at a
pretty young age.
She was in, I think, eighthgrade at the time.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Or a knee injury, that kind of cycled to her not
being able to dance.
I always loved that side ofdance, like the active, the
physical part of training.
I would say what got me intobecause it requires a lot of
athletic ability, you know, yeahI feel like you, sometimes

(14:36):
people don't realize becausethey see there's so many
different types of dance andpeople do it like recreationally
, but then there's also peoplewho do it a little more, um,
intense, um.
But I never wanted like a jobwhere I like sit still, like I
can't sit still for a long time,I like to be up and moving, um,
so, between having theexperience of dance and just

(14:57):
always being like active, um,and then kind of falling into
always wanting to do like math,science, like I loved, like the
human body, um, that kind of ledme down that path.
And then it just made sense,sense like physical therapy
compared to like an occupationalor speech therapy, because I
like want to be moving I want tobe up and active, dynamic, yeah

(15:17):
, yeah, cool.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Same thing for you.
I mean like basketball, I meanplaying team sports, super
demanding, of course.
The same um did you have a lotof like?
What led you to be pt, to knowthat you wanted to go that route
?
I got hurt, you got hurt.
Yeah, I uh.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
I dislocated my kneecap uh, freshman year of
high school, so I missed a goodpart of that season, Um,
rehabbing that and kind ofgetting back to it.
And I had a really great PT.
Did you go have surgery?
I did not have surgery.
No, I played in a brace forthree years so I mean, I was
just kind of like it was justtrusting it.

(15:53):
I just felt more confident withthe brace on.
I probably wasn't the sameplayer I was at the time, but I
mean it just kind of justconfidence and mentally it was
tough for me.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
But so the main reason would be just the
confidence.
Yes, trusting your knee.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, that was just the confidence.
Yes, trusting your knee, yeah,that was a hard thing for me.
So my game kind of changed.
I mean it worked out because Istopped growing around the same
time, so turning into more of aspot-up shooter control the ball
and be a good passer, make gooddecisions, play hard defense.
That kind of worked out wellfor me.
Um, but at the time I wasfairly athletic.
I mean, in eighth grade I wasthe same height I am now, so it
kind of um out that way, notdriving the paint all that often

(16:30):
.
But yeah, I had a really goodPT, fell in love with the
process of rehab, kind of reallyappreciated the starting point
to the end point and kind ofreally enjoyed the journey and I
wanted to be able to be thatperson for other kids like me at
that point in my life.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I would say a long too.
Like I not as severe of aninjury but broke my foot um in
the fifth grade.
I had it was.
It was dancing um.
I was in a boot for like 10weeks and I did sprain my ankle
senior year, a pretty acute umsprain, but never once was I
recommended to go to therapyinteresting so, like looking
back, I was like, oh, I wishlike someone had told me like go

(17:07):
to physical therapy, like workon this stuff, because I feel
like it would have made such adifference.
Oh, 100%.
Like my ability to do certainmoves, dancing.
So, yeah, I feel like that'smaybe not a main reason why I
got into it initially, butdefinitely something now that
I'm like advocate for like go totherapy even if it's a minor

(17:29):
injury, Like it could really, itcould really change your
trajectory of the sport.
You're doing A hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, totally, I mean , cause that's something I
always talk about with ourpatients.
It's like we live, like we'vebeen through a lot of the same
stuff and we live vicariouslythrough what y'all are doing.
And it's like just like, justtrust me, you know, like, just
please, let let us intervene andwe'll show you.
Like, because the window ofopportunity for young athletes
is so small, you know, I meanlike seventh, eighth, you play

(17:55):
like little league games stuffyeah and then like I mean really
competitive, I mean we're like13 years old, so eighth grade,
let's say, until you're not 18,right?
so that's like five years,that's it.
Yeah, you have Five year windowto showcase yourself, to
develop, to like work on stuffand maybe send you on a
trajectory of like playingcollege ball or this next level

(18:16):
or whatever, or just enjoy theprocess.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Cause I have plenty of teammates and I'm sure you
guys are just saying that likethey were hampered by injuries.
They were just meanderingaround the sideline in the
training room waiting for thisappointment, waiting for this
doc visit, waiting for thisappointment, waiting for this
doc visit, waiting for thisimage to come through and
they're like it's still.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
I don't know it's like they didn't.
They're playing again yeah, andthey could have been good.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
But I'm like looking back, I'm like what, like you
never know as a kid, like in themoment, but I'm like man, is
this?
There's got to be some answers?
Yeah, there's got to be asolution, right?

Speaker 2 (18:44):
why is this hurting?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
exactly that's a conversation I have with every
athlete that comes through thedoor.
I mean, it's like, listen,you're 15 right now and you feel
like you're going to playforever, but in reality it could
be three years and then it'sthe next 60 or 70 not playing.
So it's a very short part ofyour life and cherish it now.
Give everything you have to it.
It's one of the things thatdrives me insane is kids who

(19:07):
have talent and don't and don'twork.
Not even that drives me insaneis like kids who have talent and
don't and don't work and noteven don't work don't want it
and it's like listen, like youhave an opportunity to do
something.
That's awesome and if they, ifthey don't do it, just it drives
me crazy when they don't applythemselves, not realizing how
short this opportunity is and itgoes away it does I, when I was
coaching, like those twoseasons, which was fun.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
It was only two seasons, but it definitely
brought back a lot of memories.
I was like just the smell of thegrass, the sound of the whistle
, you know, and like what?
I um, yeah, anyway, um, it wasreally cool.
And I was some kids that got itand they're like, okay, I'm
going to, I want to invest moreeffort, Cause they're actually
like trying and they, they wantit, they're hungry.
And then some kids just checkedout.
I was like I'm going to do mybest with you too, of course,

(19:47):
but I'm not going to tell youstories.
It's not going to convey thesame way.
But anyway, think about men intheir 50s.
They still talk about highschool sports, the glory days.
That's a three-year, you're notgoing to play as a freshman
usually.
You're not going to get muchpoints.
As a sophomore, it's usuallyonly two years of time and that
sets the stage for so manymemories and stories.

(20:08):
We would sets the stage for somany memories and stories and
like we would have went to stateif we would have.
You know, this ref made thiscall.
I remember this one playspecifically.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
You have a bad memory .
Until you remember that ref.
When you were 17 years old, youdidn't call something.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, I mean it's.
I mean yeah, I mean I rememberbeing 14 up in Providence at
Jamfest and just like the oneref like just going off that
stuff, like that.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Like Providence at Jamfest and just like the one
ref like just going off thatstuff like that, like I'm still
bitter.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
His name was but yeah , I mean we talk about.
I mean, how many times do wereminisce on that in?

Speaker 2 (20:37):
the office on a regular.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Maybe we do that like at least once a week.
I mean, yeah, it's awesome, soyou guys?
So tell me about when y'all met.
Y'all met officially at afraternity dance.
You didn't know that you guysare both pursuing pt as like a
career at that point I'm at thepoint.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
I did not know that I might have known she.
She knows some thingsbeforehand, so you're doing some
research.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
She always does you know the other ladies out here
will understand we do someresearch before we're going to
invest and put our time intosomething yeah so I might have
known he was from new jersey.
I might have known he was a ptmajor.
I might have known I'd beseeing a lot of him in the
upcoming years.
Um basketball history so weactually probably crossed paths

(21:23):
like multiple times, um, justbecause from me dancing on the
sidelines and him playingbasketball, yeah we went to
schools pretty close to eachother, um, so the chances we
played each other are very highpads didn't even know.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
We've definitely played your high school a number
of times, so so probably I'veseen you multiple times, but you
know you're 15, 16 17 there'sso many people there and you
don't like the other team, it'dbe really cool if there was like
a highlight reel, like of thepast and be like you didn't know
.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
But on this date, at this game, you guys actually
cropped like cross paths yeah Imean right around that dance
time, like we didn't really thefirst dance, we didn't really
interact like individually, justlike together at that point.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
But I'm 99 sure we had the same senior night
without realizing like ourparents were in the same place
for the first time, withoutknowing it like you're probably
in the background of so manypictures, or I'm in the
background dancing while you'redoing something.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
He's swinging his hips in the background.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, so I wish I could be out there with those
girls.
I just want to dance, that'sall I want to do.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Basketball's getting in the way it's just a cover up.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
He wants to watch the dance.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, cover up, he wants to watch the dance,
exactly, yeah.
And then we started dating, um,our first semester of grad
school.
So, um 2020, the end of 2020 iswhen we, uh we went to a
semester of classes together andthen at the end of that was
when we started like officiallyfunny officially dating.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Nicole and I were similar yeah we should get.
She should be here in a minute,but like we'll tell the story
too, yeah, I need to hear yourstory of how you guys met.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, you heard our deep, darkest secrets.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
So second semester, first year of grad school, y'all
officially started dating.
Yes, how'd that work out?

Speaker 2 (22:59):
What happened?
Yeah, it was pretty good.
No, what I?

Speaker 1 (23:02):
mean is like how did it work, how did it go?
Like, who started it?

Speaker 2 (23:12):
So I think you actually started it.
So we went to grad school likeprime covid, so it was 2020 and
they did groups of eight for us.
So instead of having like 30people in your lab, you had
eight people in your lab and hehad texted me and asked to be in
my lab group.
So we said, sure, not a problem, not realizing that we had nine
in our group.
So unfortunately, he got theboo from the group, but we still

(23:34):
had class at the same time.
So we saw each other a lot andI was primed for just being like
hey, do you want to go over thekinesiology homework tonight
Before we started dating, justto see if you'd hang out or
wanted to catch up, stick arounda little longer, stick around.
So it was little things likethat.
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
before we started dating, just to see if you'd
hang out or wanted to catch up.
Stick around a little longer.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Stick around, so it was little things like that.
And then when we were in schoolwe were never in the same lab
group, but we were in classes atthe same time very similar
schedules.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
We had cadaver lab together, I remember, so we
interacted a bit then in person,but then every lecture
throughout this time was online,so we were not in the same room
for a lecture, but labs.
We were at adjacent rooms toeach other.
But, by second year fall orsecond year spring, we were back
in person fully.
So then at that point we satnext to each other and

(24:26):
everything.
But yeah, I mean I think itworked out pretty well.
I mean we worked together on anumber group projects and we're
fine and all that.
So I know, not everyone whoworks with their partner or
spouse is has is that lucky, butwe were pretty well together.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
How did y'all who approached who first like to be
like, hey, do you want to likego on a date?

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I guess it was you yeah it was me um.
I'm not that bold it was me.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
I'm not that bold?

Speaker 2 (24:50):
um, yeah, I think it was you and it was ironically
and we were home from school.
So we were like oh, where doyou like?
We live around the corner fromeach other.
So, even though we're home,like we like started dating and
hanging out more exclusively athome yeah, over that winter
break and after first semester.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah, so that was good, you know bye mom.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, gonna go hang out with some boy I met at
school.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, she's like I remember when I think it was our
second date, I asked her to goto the driving range with me
okay keep in mind this isjanuary
in new jersey oh so it's like 30degrees outside and but no snow
at this point no snow.
It might have been melting onthe ground maybe yeah, but it's
a driving range, it's coveredand uh okay, and I.
I can only imagine the look onher mom's face if she goes.

(25:34):
Yeah, I'm gonna with this uhguy to the driving range.
She probably looked at her likeshe had seven heads january 3rd
, like what?

Speaker 2 (25:41):
yeah, just be like what is wrong with you?
Have you ever?

Speaker 1 (25:43):
golfed at that point in your whole life?
No, not at all mini golf maybe.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
And I go, I'm like bundled up, I have gloves, a hat
, like I'm freezing my mom'slike you look silly and I'm like
, but we're going golfing that'sfunny and it was it worked.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
I guess I don't even know if I hit the club at all,
or if I just watched him, I havesome videos of her swinging the
clubs.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, okay, that's funny I got in on the action
then.
But yeah, that was our, I guessour first or second.
That was our, I guess first orsecond date.
That was our second date.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Our first date, we actually hung out with the
friends of the wedding that wejust went to.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, so we were actually hung out at their house
.
We were going to go like lookat Christmas lights or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Just some reason to go hang out, yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
And my, hey, I'm having to call people over or
whatever this is like and thatwasn't a lot like six of us or
eight of us or something likethat, because this is cove at
the time.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, um, that's thrown right in, yeah, right
into the front, right, yeah,right into meeting my friends
first date which?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
how do I introduce myself hi?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
I didn't think of any of that in hindsight, I I can.
I can appreciate it being atougher spot for her to be some
more preparation?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
yeah for sure.
Yeah, some lead um, and y'alljust got married a month, six
weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, I guess six weeks now.
Oh, wow, six weeks, yeah, july11th.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
A month and 10 days.
Crazy.
It'll be six years before youknow it.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Oh, I'm sure.
Yeah, I know, we'll blink it.
We'll blink it, we'll have who?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
knows man, Tell me about the wedding real quick.
Where was the wedding?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Wedding was in New Jersey, backward Kind of right
near where we both grew up, andyeah, it was July 11th, 7-11.
No free Slurpees, unfortunately, at the wedding.
But you know it was talkedabout multiple times, but yeah,
we got married actually in thechurch that I grew up in doing

(27:28):
all my sacraments.
Cool it was really like coolfull circle moment.
And then we went right to thereception.
It was at the Fort, not thatyou know, fort Monmouth, but for
people in New Jersey there wasa venue over there that they're
redoing, so we got married there.
Then we went straight to GreeceCool For the honeymoon.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
For 10 days right.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
With travel.
It was like maybe 11, but somedon't count because you're on an
airplane for 10 hours.
Oh my gosh, it's brutal I canimagine.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
And then, yeah, all the sleep changes and stuff.
Oh yeah, you guys showed me apicture.
It looks like it was a blast.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, we had a great time the food, the water, just
the fact you didn't see a cloudfor two weeks, so that was
pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
That's really cool.
Tell us now so PT practice thaty'all are developing now, right
, that y'all enjoy doing, andstuff.
Niche is what, like, your mainthing is going to be is with
sports and dancers gym, gymnasts, gymnasts, cheerleaders, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Dancers, gym gymnasts, gymnasts, cheerleaders, yeah, yeah.

(28:34):
What do you find to be the mostcommon things of those type?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
of patient demographics to have issues with
um.
I find that it's a lot of a lotof dancers are hyper mobile or
they have a lot of motion.
They're super flexible.
You can put your foot behindyour head.
You can touch your foot to yourhead backwards, um, so it's
never that they don't have goodmobility in that sense.
It's that it's some jointsusually are more mobile than

(28:58):
others and that they don't havestability.
They are so used to stretchingand stretching.
Who can do a split, who cankick their leg the highest, but
they don't realize that behindall that mobility, you really
need to have stability, um,which, looking back, it makes
total sense like why, why can't?
I can kick my leg all the wayup there, but I can't hold it up

(29:19):
there of course not.
You don't have any glutestrength, you don't have any leg
strength.
To you know, keep it up there.
Um.
So I would say that's a verycommon thing, that you see a lot
with dancers, just hypermobilitymobility with a lack of
stability, and it makes sensebased on how dancers are
training.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
What body parts get lit up the most?

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I would say the low back is super common for getting
injured as well as just likeknee and ankle as well.
It's everything we do is likejumping, landing, twisting.
So if you don't have the goodstability up the chain, then
it's just that repetitive forceover and over.
I would say a lot of my friendsthat got injured they were like

(30:05):
knee surgeries, knee injuries.
But even today all my dancefriends are like oh, my back
it's catching up to you.
And it's probably years of justhyper-extending because you
want to be flexible, you want toput your head to your foot and
vice versa.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
The postures require you to do that repetitively.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Repetitively over and over.
And you want it to be the best.
But it pays a price when youdon't really understand how your
body's supposed to be moving.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
So what would you recommend, then, for young
dancers right now?

Speaker 2 (30:39):
um strength train, do the strength training, do um
the the core stability.
I know we talk a lot aboutlike-extension, anti-rotation,
but like that's prime stuff fordancers Work on your glutes,
work on just like overall.
You don't have to.
You do a lot of cardio, you'redancing three minutes straight,

(31:04):
but like, slow it down, pick upsome like weights and do
strength training.
I think there's a big thingbehind dancers getting too bulky
.
Um, so a lot of them are likeoh no I don't want to bulk up.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I don't want to bulk up like I'm gonna do my crunches
all day and eat my salad that'sa common.
I mean for female active people.
You know that's no, that's asuper common thing.
You know, I'm like well, thinkabout like this there's young
boys, men, that their goal is tobe jacked.
Right, all the bros want to bejacked and like who has more
testosterone, like the youngfemale athlete, or a man, like a

(31:39):
dude?
And then they're working reallyhard to get jacked and it's
still hard for them.
So I'm like you, think you'regoing to outpace them, like
you're set up not to have thesame gains the same way, like
relax, you're not going to get.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
You're not going to get bulky yeah but anyway.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
So what for you?
What do you uh get the mostenergy out like?
What do you enjoy the most?
What kind of patient?

Speaker 3 (31:59):
demographic, popular young athletes, motivated,
active adults.
Um I definitely really, reallyenjoy working with golfers.
Um I myself have kind of pickedup the sport since not playing
basketball anymore.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
I mean, you got done to a six handicap.
Is that five?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, six 6.7, according to the app.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
But yeah, I've gotten pretty good over the past six,
seven years, but it definitelyhas become a passion of mine to
work with golfers who have pain,because you see a lot, a lot of
back pain, a lot of hip pain.
You get some shoulder pain toowith that you see a lot, a lot
of back pain, a lot of hip pain.
Um, you get some shoulder paintoo with that kind of anything.
That's kind of with thatkinetic chain and not being able
to sequence them.
The swing properly in amateurand amateur golfers can kind of

(32:38):
lead to some things, uh, in theback, hip, shoulder, wrist even
especially yeah so you see a lotof that and I do.
I do enjoy working with them,but like any motivated active
adult or high school athlete orcollege athlete that I'd love
working with them too.
Um, I really get like, I, likeI, uh, I get my motivation.
I feel fulfilled like seeingthose people return to their
sport yeah without pain.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
That's, that's what really gets me going, yeah yeah,
that's what gets me up in themorning.
And we, uh, I mean that's,that's because I've seen it, you
know, with you, um, workingwith.
Who was that tennis player?
We can't say his name.
There was an elder tennisplayer, an aging athlete that
was still motivated and pumpedand wanted to play.
I mean, there's a handful ofthem.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
But doing tennis shots in the clinic, yeah he was
almost 80.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, I think he was 78.
Brought some tennis, his tennisracket in got a ball.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Y' are doing some, some pivoting and some movements
and some shots, rotationalmovements, yep and uh, getting
him back and we could see it.
You know he was, he wasenjoying it.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
I mean, he likes it for sure, and then he was
leaving without like he felt alot better yeah, I actually
reached out to him.
he just got back to me.
He said he's been playingnon-stop since he graduated and
everything's been going good andhe's.
But he said he's continuingwith his exercises and when he
gets bored of him he'll wantmore.
So that's yeah, so he's doinggood and I'm happy for him and I
think that's that's what getsme going.
Yeah, it doesn't really matterthe age.

(33:56):
I kind of treat every patientas if they were an athlete.
Not everyone's sport is a sport.
Some people's sport is can I goon a nice long walk without
pain?
And that's right, and you justlet you just with the view of
that being your sport.
I think it makes it a loteasier to kind of objectify and
kind of quantify their success.
So when patients see that, Ithink they buy in a lot more and
then you get better resultsbecause of that.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, totally the.
I mean something that alwayspeople ask like what do you like
to do the most, like treat themost, and usually my answer is
pretty similar, where it's likeit doesn't really matter.
Um, as long as they'reenthusiastic and they're
motivated, they want to dosomething, they enjoy it,
they're hungry, they're showingme what to do, they want to get
better, they're enthusiasticabout whatever their thing is,

(34:37):
some zest in their life, becauseI just man the other facilities
that we've all been involvedwith in the past.
It's just energy drain.
It's like what are you doinghere?
It's like, well, I'm just herebecause my doc told me to.
He's like what are you doinghere?
It's like, well, I'm just herebecause my doc told me to.
Or it's like I know this isn'tgonna work.
I can't wait to get myinjection.
It's like this is just tosatisfy insurance needs.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
I'm like then what are we doing?
What are we doing here?

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Mindset definitely plays a role, and it's
frustrating too, as thetherapist, when you're like I's,
like you're talking to the walltalking to the wall makes it
hard to go into work everymorning when you're like just
like, here we go again like thatthat that attitude kind of, and

(35:17):
it drains the therapist too.
It's they're definitely.
I pride myself on not doingthis, but there's definitely a
day here or there when you're inthat setting where it's like I
really don't want to do thisright now.
It's in ARC, like that'scompletely changed around
because everybody's motivated,everybody wants to get better,
everybody's got high enthusiasmfor kind of doing what they do
and it's refreshing, yeah, yeah,it keeps you energized.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I would totally agree , like my career was totally
reinvigorated by doing this kindof stuff where, um, I mean,
like I was about to quit like PT, like there was a moment where
I did fellowship training right,finished, moved back here and I
wasn't enjoying the spot that Iwas at.
And I'm like, looking ahead 35,40 years and I'm like, is this

(36:01):
what I'm going to be doing forthe next four?
Like, what is what am I doing?

Speaker 4 (36:05):
You know Like I can't like.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
This sucks, you know and know.
I almost like.
I called my brother and mycousin and I was like, because
they own the brewery, right yeahand I was like, yes, like
looking for brewers, like that'dbe kind of fun.
I like beer, I could get intoit more yeah I'll learn the
ropes.
I like going travel.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I like traveling good beer fests could be fun.
Yeah, like, is that a newmarketing for you, you know, and
there you know, my brother waslike we, can we have a
conversation?

Speaker 1 (36:29):
see what, maybe what role you might be able to have.
That's the.
I had a phone call, I remember,outside my apartment.
That was a phone call, and Iwas like I don't know what to do
you know, yeah.
And then I talked to my buddyand he was like yeah, I'm, you
know, I'll have a lot ofpatients that they are asking me
to see them.
Um on, because, like withmanual therapy, they just want
more attention and they wantmanual therapy.

(36:51):
They want one-on-one umattention, you know, and like
actually work on stuff.
And uh, he was like um, peoplehave asked me more and more, so
much to the point where I'mgoing to quit and just do that
only.
And I was like what?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
That's an option.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Mine was blown and I was like I'm in today, Whatever
it takes.
There is no other option.
Failure is not an option.
And then I would love to createlike an environment and a
culture and a facility where Ican bring other PTs on board and
have them join the culture andreinvigorate their careers and
then get them on the samepathway and enjoy it Because
it's fun.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
You enjoy coming into work.
You're like how many?
Hours did I even work today,like you know, when you go home
and you're like wow, how doesthat work for 10 hours like
didn't even feel like it versuslike on hour.
Five need to go on lunch likethat's the worst, you're
counting down the minutes untilyou can go home versus like wow,
I had a great day and I can'tbelieve it's five o'clock, but

(37:49):
yeah like time flies mean themoment we just had in the gym at
11.45 today.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
That was cool, that was a great moment, we just had
a couple of patients who were.
Everyone was kind of like,enjoying and feeding off the
energy of each other.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
It was great Doing some basketball shots and stuff.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
Oh, what's up, buddy Special guest.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Come here, buddy, come here, hi dude, come here.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
This is what everyone's been waiting for Hi
Bodhi, Hi Bodhi, Tell me all thethings.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
This is my son Colt.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
I talk about you guys .

Speaker 1 (38:27):
a lot Did you know that I talk about you guys.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Did you know that he's like yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
I get it.
He's three and he just startedpre-K at the church.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
How are we liking school or pre-K?

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Pre-K Do you like it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Oh buddy.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
That's so funny.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, he was pretty good.
Day one he went right in andthen you were saying yesterday
he was a little apprehensive.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Normal day two.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Doesn't want to go back got it yeah, excited the
first day and then yeah, but uhday three will be good tomorrow
you got school tomorrow again.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Buddy, you want to go ?
Oh yeah, shaking the head, yesso I was asking them about, like
how they met and stuff likethat, and they wanted to know
how we met.
Okay, well, this is my wife.
I introduced colt.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
This is my wife, nicole hi hello, nice to see you
and, uh, nice to meet you forall the listeners.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
She's also a pt and um, she, uh, is a stay-at-home
mom now, which is the hardest,most important job in the world,
and um, but yeah, we went tograd school together at the
university of miami.
She went to undergrad atuniversity of miami and played
soccer for the hurricanes andthen stayed there and went to
grad school.
Then I went to grad schoolthere and that's where we met.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, give me the details.
That's not enough for us.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, I was going to say.
We just go deep into it Fromyour perspective, my perspective
.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
We sat next to each other in class.
I was a nerd that like studiedway too much, and he was the guy
that like watched youtubevideos in class, so sounds
familiar there's some eeriesimilarities here and then one
day he was like um coming in tostudy and it was 11 pm and he's

(40:13):
like I'm just starting to study.
And I was like how can youpossibly be starting to study?
And so I, um, stayed andstudied with them and I think
that kind of was the beginningof I was.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I remember that's exactly the same thing.
I would have said like it waswe uh.
Hi, buddy, I would like so well.
Pt.
After classes it ended like 4o'clock, 5, whatever, if it was
4 or 5, I would go home.
I would usually nap and then Iwould wake up and have a snack
which was egg whites and Englishmuffins.
I remember that specificallybecause then I would go to the

(40:47):
gym and I'd come home from thegym and I'd shower and then I'd
be like all right, what do Ineed to do?
And then I'd go from there tothe school classrooms to study
and from there to the school uhclassrooms to study, and I would
get there like 11.
So I remember walking in single, strapping it.
You know, I have like a bookbag and a pencil and she's like
like, what are you doing?
I'm like I'm gonna study.
She's like you're just nowgetting here to study she's like

(41:08):
walking out right she's walkingout.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I've been here since class ended.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, she has, like she's like hugging, four books
with like sticky notes, colorcoordinated out highlighters
falling out of her hands andshe's like you're just getting
here like, oh my gosh, I have tohelp you, and I was like, all
right, yeah, can you help me?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
it'd be great sure now she's like so sure studying
at 11 o'clock at night.
Oh my gosh we're in bed.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
I'm trying to get in bed before nine and then I
usually doom scroll for like aof minutes and then try to fall
asleep after that.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
My goal is the same.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
I don't get that, but I try to and I remember that
that night particular, she waslike all right, so okay, what
have you gotten through so far?
And I was like I haven't gottenthrough the slides yet.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
She's like you haven't got through anything.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
yet I was just like what are you?
Oh?
My gosh, there's so much I hadto get through.
Okay, so let me summarize this.
And then she was getting intoit.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Take my notes, do this yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
There was one test in particular where she was like I
bet I don't know why, she wasjust really good at school,
really good at listening, reallygood at taking notes, and she
would know what the teacher wasgoing to ask.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
When he's watching youtube videos and they say make
sure you know this exclamation,exclamation you highlighted it,
I highlighted it and so I'mlike this is probably a question
.
This is probably a question andthere was one test like the
first 10 questions.
I think seven of them were likethe ones I said exactly what
she said like you're a genius.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yes, yes, yeah, we're , because we sat next to each
other and I I'm like she's likeshh shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh
, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh,shh shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh
, shh, shh shh, shh, shh, shh,shh shh shh guys in the class.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
We would like send funny videos to you know, with
Messenger.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Oh, we had a group chat with like 10 of the guys in
there.
And we're like half the classis just like literally just
typing in that group chat, can'tbelieve.
So-and-so said this So-and-so.
What was that?
What did they say?
What exactly?

Speaker 1 (43:17):
One.
There was video and we wouldsend it out.
I would send it to a bunch ofpeople and I would see who
forgot to put their computer onmute.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, he's making all those chicken noises.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
So like two people like they would click the video
and it would.
It would go off and they'd belike trying to mute it and I'm
like I gotcha it's really

Speaker 3 (43:34):
funny, it's great.
Yeah, it's very similar to ourclass dynamic, I guess.
She was very frustrated that Iwas the person who didn't study
that often and still did good.
I did just good enough.
You know what I mean?
Like keep your scholarship, getyour 3.6 or whatever.
And then she's like no, I needto have a 4.0.
Like and I was like no, thathe's like.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
I'm done with these people tapped out.
I want to go do something fun,you're like.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Don't listen to the men in the room.
You have to study harder thanthat, yeah exactly so they were.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Hey, you want to sit with me again.
Well, they were asking um yeah,how we dated, but I've come
back and tell you.
So my version of how we starteddating was um, you have to tell
her the story back when shecomes back, okay, she?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
doesn't like a laugh, yeah we.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
There was a class that, um, it was a tricky class.
I forget what it was.
Differential diagnosis yeahokay, it's a hard one remember,
and it was just, it was like alot of short answer answers and
stuff like that you couldn'tjust it was a multiple choice.
But anyway, um, I was like allright, if you help me study and
I get like an a, then, um, thisis how it happened.

(44:45):
I was like then you could cookme dinner oh, wow come over and
I'll bring like a bottle of,like something to drink, you
know.
And then I did good, wow, and Igot an a so she was privileged
enough to cook you dinner.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
I know it sounds so bad she made me a stir fry nice
that's good yeah yeah, I don'tknow if that would have worked
with me.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I would have been like uh, I think you mean you're
gonna take me out to dinnerright, for sure would have went
the other way there.
Cool, come here, dude, you wantto talk in the microphone?

Speaker 4 (45:15):
I'm guessing you said I cooked for you.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Yes, yes, yes, he put it as if you help him study and
get an A, then you will cookfor him then.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Yeah, I don't know how that worked out.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
I don't know how it worked out either, so you had to
make out like a bandit there,and also this is also something
that we were both dating otherpeople at the time of the people
at the time.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
Oh, wow, Wow.
So we had a one-on-one dinner.
See, this is where things getlike messed up, Because he it
was spring.
We my memory of this and hismemory of this are very
different of timelines.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
What was your memory?

Speaker 4 (45:47):
My memory was, we didn't have this dinner until we
were single.
Okay, Like it was, like, Likeit was like Like maybe this
happened, but we didn't like itdidn't happen right away.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, okay, you broke up and then did the dinner.
I guess maybe I was justthinking about like when the
deal happened is during thespring semester, but we didn't
actually make that happen untilsummer.
Correct, Okay.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
All right, I'm going to go with her.
She's probably right.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
And then.
So then what was our first date?
I heard you loved going to themovies.
Oh, he loved the movies, heloved the movies thing, and
somehow I think of like ourfirst movie dates were probably
still stressful because he wasthe type that was like, oh yeah,
we could sneak into anothermovie.
And he took me to another movieand he's like, yeah, we can
sneak into the back, not a bigdeal, not a big deal again.
Heart attack over here.
That's not my personality andthis one movie was sold out and

(46:41):
they come in and turn on thelights and they go.
Okay, everyone show yourtickets and I was like what?

Speaker 2 (46:46):
We're done, we're going to jail.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
This guy I don't know who he is.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
He set me up, he's trying to get me arrested
tonight.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
We went to an earlier movie with the thought being
like we're going to sneak intoone and then another one, maybe
after that.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Three back-to-back movies.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
And this movie had been out for a long time.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
You were there for nine hours yeah she fell asleep
the whole time.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
So we went to this second movie we went to to try
to sneak in.
It had been out for a long timein one of the smaller theaters
in the back.
I was like, oh, we're going tosneak in, there's going to be
nobody in there and we'll betotally fine.
For some reason people keptpiling in and coming in, coming
in and I was like, all right,the preview is going to start.
People were still coming in,piling in and stuff,

(47:44):
no-transcript.
Sure that you guys are good.
She's like freaking out againand I was like just hand me the
tickets, like I'll hold them.
You got your purse he's on themove then I was like just hand
me your, hand me the tickets.
They made the receipts of thetickets that looked like the
other stub and just like justchill, just chill.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
So the guy come up.
He like he's going through theaisles checking over his tickets
.
He's going out the door?

Speaker 3 (48:08):
he wasn't.
Oh he's, I'll go check out.
Yeah, he's trying to move thedoor so I uh, anyway, the
security.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
The security guard comes up and like there was like
three security guards in themovie theater anyway, and then
one guy was going up the aisleand he was like can with us?
And he's like, hey, let me seeyour tickets.
And I just like flashed thereceipt stubs and he's like, oh,
you're good.
And he kept moving.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Oh, someone got kicked out of this movie.
Who wasn't?

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yeah, some guys, some people got kicked out yeah,
some guys, some people gotkicked out.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
They were kicking people out.
Oh wow, okay, you're like wow,keep quiet.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
I was like, just be quiet, just act chill, you know,
and uh, I just flashed thereceipt stubs I didn't say what
movie theater.
You were in it was just thereceipt and I just like held up
two of them, you know, andflashed them and them covering
like the movie and he like thetime and then, uh, he came back,
he kept it moving oh, that's sofunny, and anyway, at that
point after, and then the moviestarted and like people were

(49:00):
still coming in and I was likelet's just go.
You know like we did it, I didit, we pulled it off now, we can
just go.
How did you feel in that moment?

Speaker 4 (49:15):
relief that we made it out alive.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I think she also was like, as we were leaving,
they're going to be checking usagain.
The cops are right there.
I was like it's over.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I think we're good jail cells in my future exactly
her heart was like I can't takethis.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
I don't know sometimes how I signed up for
this life so imagine when Istarted this this was all.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
It's also it's like is this one of those movie
theater situations?

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Like we'll pull it off, it'll be fine.
No, and you did sometimes justgot to like jump and then make
sure the parachute works on theway down.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
How'd that conversation go?

Speaker 1 (49:51):
It was multiple conversations over a long, over
several weeks and months andstuff.
And then, um, over severalweeks and months and stuff.
And then, yeah, I remember shewas like you didn't even like
okay, show me a business plan,Show me this laid out.
Like you didn't even show methis yet, I was like I don't
have that figured out yet, butwe're going, we're going for it.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Funny.
You say that we had to do aproject in school where you get
partnered.
You pick your partner and youdesign a business plan.
Oh yeah, for a pt practice.
Yeah, we did it together,actually, and they're like
design a thing, and we wereliving in new jersey at the time
, but I was like we're gonnamake one in jupiter, florida, no
, and it's gonna be a cash-basedpractice probably very.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
You probably still have it.
We should let.
Oh, I definitely have itsomewhere.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
You probably laugh at it, you know us naive, like
last year pt school being like Ithink we'll charge like this
much an hour, or like having noidea what reimbursement's like
or what it costs to getinsurance.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
And then she's like sounds great, a plus next it was
it was like a subscription pt.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
It was a subscription pt model because my dad does
like some soft subscriptionsoftware and I was like hey dad,
can you give me some insidertips on how we should make our
practice run better for schooland stuff?

Speaker 1 (51:04):
That's funny.
I remember doing that one.
I did it with the guys in theclass.
Who did you do yours with?

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Not a clue.
There's lots of blurs in mypast.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Lots of blurs.
The other question they wereasking, or I was asking them too
, was like we did a lot ofintramural sports together,
playing a lot of undergrad kidsat Miami and stuff Soccer player
of course.
So she did soccer and thenvolleyball.
She played volleyball also inhigh school, so we played some
volleyball together, beachvolleyball, yeah, flag football,
flag football yeah, that's notreally fair.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Okay, so one, if you were the other team.
You'd walk up and say T-Sportcollege athlete Division I,
volleyball player and now he'sspiking on 19-year-old kids'
heads.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
And he's 6'6" there was one time he spiked someone
in the face and they were likethey shut down the game pretty
much they were like this is over.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
If they were like they shut down the game pretty
much.
They're like this is over thankyou.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
If I remember correctly, it hurt, it hurt.
It hit her in the chest.
It was not on purpose, but itlike they were done.
It was a hard hit and like ithit straight on and I was like
what do you want me to?
Do like I, just 110 percent orlike or not, but anyway she was
mad, they were all mad, and thenwe kept playing and then we won
.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Were you intramural champions.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
A few things.
He has a list, His memory ofthese sports going back to high
school.
He can tell you play by.
Play on this down on this gameon.
December 23rd at 12 pm.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
He knows what happened and the ref, who didn't
, you know, make the call orsomething, not held me on this
one, yeah no, I don't think youkind of not as, not as good as
what you're describing it feelslike that, but intramurals was
um, it was a big.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
It was a big thing for me in grad school.
I wasn't ready to like not dosports be competitive yeah and
um, yeah, I won ninechampionships.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Um, count the rings five one one every semester for
nine semesters.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
The handfuls of you know basketball, flag football,
volleyball.
Those are the two, those arethe three, the big ones because
I didn't really play soccer,soccer, soccer wasn't my thing,
but a moment that I rememberbetween us is flag football and
we beat the ref team.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
It was like a rival team.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
They were good.
They were good.
They were the ones that wouldbe the ref for the other
intramural sports and stuff andthey had a team.
So they were into it, obviously, and they had some good
athletes, but we beat them.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
But there was a play where she had a.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
She had, like this tip interception.
She was playing middlelinebacker, like a linebacker
role, and she read the defense,read the offense and she, you
know, anticipated a throw, madea, made a dart, uh, run towards
it, bounced off and then she,like, had an interception, the
key moment, and we hugged eachother.
Yeah, that wasn't, that was uh,it was fun, that's awesome and
he was like oh hug, finally hugwe earned it.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
We've crossed the line, were you dating at that
point in time?

Speaker 1 (54:02):
no, oh, so it was a friendly hug that was spring
semester of that first year,because we didn't start dating
until the first semester ofsecond year, which would have
been like the summer summer of2013 and why were you dragging
your feet again?
We were dating other people.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Yeah, that's it.
She says that to me all thetime.
That's why I had to ask.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
You know it took three years, four months and
seven days.
No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Do you remember our first?
Like the first time it was likethis is like a date.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
No.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I think it.
I think it was a movie.
If I have to, probably yeah,because I know we went out like
with a group of people andthat's when feeney was like hey,
you know what it calls single.
Do you like want me to help?
I'm like, please don't like Igot this please don't help me, I
like just relax, like we'llfigure it out.
You know, make it organic.
But that was that group.
We went to Sandbar, we linedanced a little bit, oh.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Nice, you saw his moves, is that it?

Speaker 4 (55:01):
For sure he's got the moves.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
I'm hearing a dance off between Matt and Kyle.
I don't know.
I don't think anyone wants tosee that.
That's what I'm hearing A linedancing.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Outside of the two of you in this room.
I don't think anyone, anyone,would want that yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Although we'll pass oh circle back on that We'll
circle back.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
We'll put that in our back pocket, yeah we'll put it
in that one but one last pointbefore we land the plane,
Anything else.
You wanted to like a funnystory or something.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
I have one more question for you guys.
Sure, so you guys workedtogether too, like relatively
out of school, right?
We did I was going to say, yeah, how did that, how was that it?

Speaker 4 (55:35):
was fun.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Yeah, I was going to say what was that like yeah, it
was cool Lunches togethercommuting all that stuff we're
just getting that now for thefirst time and it's I'm enjoying
it very much so far, yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
I think ours was a little different.
Like we didn't have it was sogo with the flow, and like we
didn't have the same schedule.
So we didn't even have lunch atthe same where we were.
Just like peace, hey you knowduring the day.
Like you and your patient, meand my patient.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Like I see you, like if somebody said something or
did something, we could lookacross the room and like do an
internal laugh you know, yeah,yeah, make eye contact Right,
but that was the extent of it,because we just didn't get to
interact that much.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
But, it was nice to just like know he was there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it was.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
it was that was fun, so that that that um, yeah, that
dynamic was fun.
Before that when houston we weworked like a mile apart from
each other in differentcompanies so we'd go home.
There's a stint where we hadthe same lunch time and we would
go home and to our apartmentand have a lunch together oh
nice every day and that was funand did you guys work together
when you moved back to floridafrom houston for a little bit?

(56:36):
That was a time we were together, and that was only like six
months, maybe eight months, Ithink it was eight months.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
It was.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
October to May, when I quit.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
How'd that go for you ?
Who quit first?

Speaker 4 (56:52):
It was two weeks apart from each other.
Coincidentally Not planned,totally not planned.
He had decided he was going allin on each other.
Coincidentally, not planned,totally not planned.
He had decided he was going allin on the business.
I had interviewed for ateaching position and, like
months prior, they're like yes,you got it.
And it took months for them toactually be able to get the
contract rolling.
And so I had just heard backfrom them like yes, you're in.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
And so when we both put in our two weeks, it looked
terrible I was gonna say becausewhen I did it it was a few
months ahead of her yeah andwhen I did it, they were not
happy yeah but when she did itit was like kind of like all
right, we saw this one comingyeah he definitely took like the
brunt of everything and then Iwas just like, oh yeah, I'm
gonna also slide out yeah, hewent first too and they were.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
They were like yep, sounds good.
Yeah, and then they were pissedwith her oh, she was opposite
to you, yeah, yeah like youshould have more time.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Like it's not professional but again it was
like not it, we did not meanthat to be that way.
In any means, yeah, of coursewe wanted.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
I mean, we wanted to be professional.
This is just the best thing forus right now to make moves and
then try to keep everythingsuper professional and nice
civil.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah, sometimes things happen and then what is
it?

Speaker 1 (58:09):
That was 2019.
So six and a half years laternow, here we are with three kids
.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yeah, you blinked right yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
It's crazy man, it's crazy Awesome.
Well, we'll have to get youguys on again and like share
more stories and stuff and sharesome insights on PT stuff and
your guys' rationales and how totreat you know your specific
people.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
And Nicole too.
We got her.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
I know Our inside on it Our celebrity guest.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Celebrity.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
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