May 14, 2025 • 47 mins
What if your body is decades older than your birth certificate claims? That's the shocking reality Blake Baino faced when his biological age test revealed his 39-year-old body was functioning at 64. In this eye-opening conversation, Blake returns to share the cutting-edge science of longevity and how we might actually reverse our biological clocks.
Blake breaks down how The Fountain, his anti-aging clinic, combines three critical diagnostic approaches—advanced imaging, genetic testing, and comprehensive blood analysis—to create personalized wellness plans. We explore their groundbreaking full-body scanning technology that can detect potentially life-threatening conditions months or years before symptoms appear. As Blake powerfully states, "It's there whether you know about it or not. If you don't know about it, there's nothing you can do."
The heart of our discussion centers on extending "health span"—not just living longer, but maintaining vitality and quality of life as we age. Blake candidly shares his personal protocol including testosterone therapy, peptides, NAD supplementation, and exosome treatments after discovering his accelerated aging and genetic predisposition to Alzheimer's. His transformation offers hope for anyone concerned about cognitive decline or premature aging.
We dive deep into the overlooked impact of stress on biological aging, sharing our personal struggles with work-life balance as entrepreneurs and fathers of young children. From exercise routines and sleep hygiene to meditation and even microdosing, we explore practical strategies that can help manage the invisible toll stress takes on our bodies.
Fascinated by the intersection of comfort and human nature? You'll be captivated by our discussion of the infamous "Universe 25" study, where mice who had everything they needed still spiraled into extinction—raising profound questions about what humans truly need to thrive.
Ready to take control of your biological destiny? This episode might just add years of quality living to your future. Subscribe now and let us know what longevity practices you're adopting in your own life!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach
and pursue a higher qualitylife with some ambition, then
guess what this podcast is foryou.
This is the Driven AthletePodcast.
What's up?
Y'all?
It's your man.
Dr Kyle, we got the man BlakeBaino back on the podcast again
A cool guest owner of theFountain working with Encore
(00:20):
Imaging Yep Right.
Thanks for coming in, thanksfor having me again.
I know you're a busy guy, so Iappreciate it.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I appreciate you guys making time for me.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So tell people again what the Fountain is, where you
guys are at, and also Encore.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah.
So Fountain is a anti-aginglongevity clinic.
We specialize in functionaldiagnostics.
So looking at the body from animaging standpoint, looking at
it from a genetic standpoint andlooking at it from your blood
work taking those three thingsto create anti-aging and
longevity plans for people,really based on what the results
tell us, how they're feeling,what they want to accomplish.
(00:52):
So that is Fountain.
Encore is the imaging component.
That's my partner's business.
They've got nine locationsthroughout the state, adding
three more in the next fewmonths.
They're growing very rapidly.
But where it ties together,encore Imaging does a body use
scan, which is a head to hipsscreening of or sorry, 12 organs
(01:14):
, including the brain, for over500 conditions.
Really looking for cancer,looking to see like, hey, is
there anything lingering that'sgonna kill me in the next 12
months?
Wanna make sure that's not inthere.
So it's detecting like cysts,tumors, gross, uh, five
millimeters and larger, um, andso that's.
That's a new component that wejust added in the last few
months we talked about a littlebit last time I was on the show.
(01:34):
Yeah, um, but it's, it's goingreally well, it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That's, that is really cool.
I mean, that's a super valuableinformation of like um, if you
want to find stuff like that,yeah, and then nip it in the bud
when you can like early.
Early detection is always goingto be the key.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
That's the number one indicator of outcome is is how
early can you catch it?
I mean, we had your stories atthe time, people.
Uh, she had a buddy of mine.
It was terrible and I forgetexactly what his fiance was
diagnosed with, but she got adiagnosis into January.
Uh was gone, uh, before April1st.
My gosh, yeah.
And so she can go that quick,cause it was undiagnosed.
I mean, who knows how long itwas there, but it was just, you
(02:08):
know, she got diagnosed at stagefour and at that point it's it
was aggressive cancer, there'snothing they could do.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And that's terrible.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Two months later she was gone.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, that yeah.
No, major organ full body viewscanning is there a prescription
needed for that?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No, so it's kind of interesting because it's a new
area for imaging.
There's other brands that dosimilar things, but it's not
necessarily needs to beprescribed by a doctor, it's
just somebody who wants to comein check, make sure there's
nothing going on.
You know, we recommend everyyear or two getting the scan
done again, because it's justearly detection, like the sooner
(02:49):
that you know something isgoing on, um, the sooner you can
take action.
And we get people that are like, oh, I don't, I don't want to
know, like, well, it's, it'sthere, whether you know about it
or not.
Um, so if you don't know aboutit, there's nothing you can do.
If you know about it, you canat least take action and
increase your chances of apositive outcome.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
That is tough Cause, like as soon as we find out.
Then it's like all right, nowwe've got to hit the gas pedal
on, like all these other testsand everything, and I was like,
well, what's the alternative?
Yeah, not doing anything.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's probably right, Like if you you
know, I've never been diagnosedwith cancer, but my dad had
cancer and I saw what he wentthrough and like the thought of
being diagnosed and goingthrough that process is
terrifying, but the alternativeis not doing anything and dying.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I'm like well, I guess I'd opt for the former.
Yeah, 100%, yeah.
So when people come in to seeyou, I mean life, longevity,
optimization of health, right,what are some things people of,
like the typical demographicy'all see.
Where do they come in?
What do they say?
They're like why are you here,right?
Oh, I want to do.
What's the typical profile looklike?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
They'll usually.
It's usually people in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, right?
So 30s to 60s, let's say They'llsee one of the things that we
do, one of the posts, one of theclips from me on your podcast,
and they'll, it'll resonate withthem and they're like hey, I've
been feeling this or I've beenthinking about this.
Can you guys help me?
(04:16):
And I love having thoseconversations with people
because it allows us to identify, like, what's the best path for
them, them or what's mostpressing, whereas when we're
kind of outbound marketing,right, it's like we're trying to
create a message that landswith Kyle, that lands with
so-and-so, whereas if they'recoming to us like all right,
well, let's talk about exactlywhat's going on with you and
then from there, we can createeither a diagnostic package and
(04:39):
again we can do the fullspectrum we can do a very small,
you know, focused diagnosticassessment and then from there,
based on the results, based onhow you're feeling, based on
what your goals are and what ourproviders are recommending, we
can create an anti-aging packageon the back end that's going to
have you just feeling your best, and increasing health span is
the term that we're using.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's good.
Increasing health span.
What's on that plan usually?
Which plan For increasinghealthspan?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah.
So on the back end it's goingto be some combination of and
let me take a step back.
There's the recommendations aregoing to be vast and I give
everybody the disclaimer, whenthey come in, like our providers
are going to throw the kitchensink at you because we want you
to have the information, we wantyou to know if there's a
specific area that you'reinterested in addressing.
(05:27):
How to address it Doesn't meanwe're saying start everything
today, but we're going to pickthe one or two things that are
really going to move the needle.
So it starts with usually a lotof over-the-counter stuff,
right?
Maybe some prescriptionmedications, maybe a
recommendation out to aspecialist, that stuff outside
of us and then inside of thecenter hormone therapy, peptides
(05:48):
, medical weight loss, exosometherapy, stem cell therapy and
then a bunch of different IVtherapies as well, gotcha, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
And then when somebody starts on one of those
plans, what's the life, what'slike the?
Yeah, the long-term plan.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
That's probably the the number one question that I
get.
Yeah, like, how long did it be?
Like how long do I have to takethis right?
It's like, well, we're workingagainst father time, yeah, and
father time is not relenting.
So I encourage everybody tolook at is like this is a
lifestyle change, like we aregoing to make adjustments that
will ultimately you'll need tokind of continue on with it for
(06:26):
a long time, like it's notsomething that we can do for a
month and then you're cured,right.
It's like our body is slowlydegrading, and again, not
noticeable day to day, but overthe course.
I mean I don't know about howyou feel, but in the last seven
years, you know, before I gotinto all this, I felt like at
age like 20 years, you know it'sbusinesses, I mean you know how
it goes, um for sure.
And so I encourage people tolook at this as like this is a
(06:48):
lifestyle change.
That's why I want to startconservative, right, we want to
do just the littlest amountpossible.
Is the always the best courseaction?
Retest blood work or retestwhatever diagnostic we did in
three to six months, see howwe're doing, see how we're
feeling, tweak it If at thatpoint.
Once we have a good routine,want to add something else on
then go from there.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Gotcha, Taper off if needed.
Add some things here if youneed to.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, and there are certain things that we do that
are kind of temporary, like BPC.
Bpc is a very popular peptidefor healing that's usually used
when somebody has more of likean acute injury as opposed to
like a long-term plan.
Some people like to take ityear-round, um, just for the
healing benefit, but that'susually something that I'll
recommend like a three to fourmonth protocol.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So the bpp, bpc 157.
Yes, that's also.
That's one I remember youtalking about other people I've
talked with.
It's like it stimulates growthhormone, human growth hormone.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So that's the growth hormone releasing peptides, and
while bpc does that a little bit, it's not its primary function.
Um, the growth hormone, that'sthe growth hormone-releasing
peptides, and while BPC doesthat a little bit, it's not its
primary function.
The growth hormone-releasingpeptides are going to be more
for longevity, more for recovery, reducing inflammation and just
a litany of other healthbenefits.
But the BPC is really going topromote healing and specifically
(08:02):
the angiogenesis, which is, youknow, uh, creating new blood
vessels.
So there is some differentschools of thought of, like you
want to inject close to theinjury, psychs can help her more
, promote more healing in thatarea.
But there's, uh, there's abunch of different ways to do it
and again, it's one of thosethings that I don't think is
necessary year round.
Some people like, do it yearround, but you can go either way
.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Let's say, uh, people have asked me questions.
They're like, let's say, a guyor a female, a guy or girl is uh
.
They're like I want to work out, I want to look good, build
muscle, physique right On theextreme end, be like
bodybuilding or something likethat, physique training.
Are they stacking like BPC andother things, to hormone therapy
(08:43):
?
Yeah, like, what's the, what'sthe optimal stack?
Usually?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So I can tell you what I do, okay, and I'm not
sure if it's optimal, but itworks for me.
So I started off myself justdoing testosterone therapy, and
we talked about last time yougot to account for the whole
feedback loop.
So you have some ancillarymedications, specifically in
clomiphene, which stimulatesyour natural testosterone
production, and then alsoinastrozole, which keeps your
estrogen levels down, um, inaddition to, of course, the
(09:09):
actual testosterone that keepseverything kind of functioning
properly, so that if you have tocome off of testosterone for
whatever reason, you don't likethe way you feel your PSA is
creeping up, you, um, you're,you're not kind of shooting
yourself in the foot.
So I started off there, feltgreat, um, and down the line,
what were your testosteronelevels before you started?
(09:29):
Uh, mid three hundreds, oh so,yeah, so low, yeah so, and I was
only 30, um, when I started,which is usually about the age
that people start noticing, youknow, declining testosterone.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Um, I would imagine like business kids sleep, sleep,
all that stuff, all the stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, so there's actually studies that show it's
a biological response.
When you have infants in thehouse, men's testosterone
decreases to make them bettercaretakers.
Yeah, better, not good.
Yeah, as best as maybe could beallowed, exactly so yeah, so I
did the testosterone for alittle bit and then added in the
growth hormone releasingpeptide.
(10:09):
I had done some BPC and TB500,which is another kind of
Wolverine peptide, if you willafter a shoulder surgery.
So I tried those on a fewdifferent occasions, had great
success with those, but added inthe peptide, Been doing that
for a couple of years and thenthe last eight months started
doing NAD.
Are you familiar with that?
(10:29):
Yeah, a little bit, but tell memore.
So NAD is basic biology, right?
We have the mitochondria, right?
That's the powerhouse of thecell.
Thinking back to 10th gradebiology, whatever that was and
uh, nad is the fuel for themitochondria.
So mitochondria takes nad, umand then from that creates atp,
(10:49):
adrenaline, triphosphate, whichenergizes the cells.
This happening in every cellinside your body.
So every cell is gettingenergized.
For me it's, it's I don't need,you know, three energy drinks
throughout the day.
It's like I do my coffee orenergy drink in the morning,
afternoon, right now, right nowit'll be 1.30, 2 o'clock, I'm
still rolling, feeling good.
Brain's functioning Enhancesneurological function as well.
(11:10):
Neuroplasticity I like thatcomponent the best.
But it also has an anti-agingcomponent.
So in studies they did on labrats, it shows there's a 5%
increase in lifespan, which ispretty cool For humans if you
take it over the course of theirentire you know, entire life.
That's, you know.
Call it four years additional.
You're getting Um.
But again, the goal is not tolike I don't want to extend my
(11:30):
life an extra four years from,you know 95 to 99, when I'm in a
wheelchair and drinking out ofa straw, eating out of a straw
or quality life.
Yeah, it's like I want toextend how I'm feeling today,
better, longer.
I want to, yeah, extend thehealth span.
Um, so I'm doing the nad andthen some of the more recent
testing since I've been on.
(11:51):
Last time um found out I havetwo genetic precursors for
alzheimer's dementia.
Okay, um, and I did thebiological age test.
So I'm 39, my biological agecame back at 64 and I was was
like that is a big, big concern.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So there's-.
And when you say body like, youmean just for cognition, like
brain or like the whole body, sobiological which organs?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah.
So biological age test is doneeither via blood or saliva
because it's genetic and it'sbased on telomere length.
Without getting too much intothe science, as you age,
telomeres get shorter and onceyou run out of telomere on the
strands of your dna, the cellcan no longer replicate and
cells start dying.
That's how you have organfailure, etc.
Etc.
So telomere length, orbiological age is directly
(12:39):
correlated with age-relateddiseases.
So alzheimer's, dementia, heartattack, stroke, etc.
Etc.
Et cetera, et cetera, thingsalong those lines and cancer.
So from the combination on thefunctional DNA test of realizing
that I have two geneticpredispositions for Alzheimer's
dementia, and on the biologicalage test, I'm genetically older,
I'm at a much higher risk fordeveloping Alzheimer's and
(13:02):
dementia.
So from there, yeah, so fromthere.
My grandmother had Alzheimer'sdementia, saw it firsthand,
declined rapidly in her sixtieswas awful.
I'm like that's the last thingI ever want to deal with.
So on the functional DNA side,it gives you a bunch of
recommendations from dietsupplements, lifestyle changes
you can make, and then on thebiological age, which we can
(13:23):
talk about a little more, ourregenerative medicine doctor, dr
Carter, told me exosome therapyvia IV is kind of the route
that you need to go to startreversing this or slowing this
down.
Now, the biological age is coolbecause it's like an
accumulation of everything frombirth until today, from
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environmental toxins.
So if you have environmentalexposures, you grow up next to a
factory, right what you'reputting in your body, so food,
drugs, alcohol, et cetera.
And then stress is a bigcomponent of that as well.
So I eat pretty well, Iexercise regularly, I don't
think there's any crazyenvironmental you know toxins
(14:05):
we're exposed to here in SouthFlorida.
But my stress is through theroof and I'm like I think that's
kind of the main culprit there.
So really doing some things towork on bringing my stress
levels down but then introducingthe exosome therapy at the same
time.
Really I'm hoping it's going tohelp with that.
I'm getting ready to retest andsee where my biological age is.
(14:26):
I don't see it Expect to see adrastic change.
Right, at least we're in theright direction.
But yeah, every year I want totest it.
I'm hoping that like it'llcreep, creep down a little bit
by, a little bit.
And when was the test the first?
I took it in September.
Okay, august.
Yeah, all right.
So I think I had taken it lasttime I was on the show.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I just hadn't gotten the results back, got it?
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree,like I think.
I mean stress plays a hugestress anxiety, from what I've
been told from experts, hugeimpact on longevity, health
system, functionality, organfunction.
Yeah, what are you doing forstress relief?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
A lot of stuff.
I mean exercise, of course,trying to make a little bit more
time for myself that'ssomething you know again, young
kids business like it's, it'shard to find that.
I mean my really only time formyself, um, until recently was
just the gym, you know, andthat's that was three times a
week.
Maybe not as much as I wouldlike it to be.
Even so, just trying to do somestuff to make time for myself.
(15:23):
I started microdosingpsilocybin as well, which is
really cool.
What's that?
Mushrooms?
Oh, okay, yeah, so it's a.
It's a psychedelic.
I'm not like seeing anythingfrom it, Right, but it's, it's a
microdose.
Great studies on reduction ofstress, anxiety, depression,
yeah, and that has helped a ton.
I've heard a lot of good thingsabout microdosing.
(15:50):
Yeah, Microdosing everything,right, it's like that's the way
to do it, it seems, instead ofthese, these big doses.
But, um, yeah, I've been doingthat for about a year.
Um, marked improvement in injust how I'm feeling my stress
levels.
Um, seem to just be a littlemore present, able to kind of
roll and deal with things asthey pop up instead of it.
You know, sometimes it getsoverwhelming.
It's almost uh, what's the wordI'm looking for?
Yeah, it's almost like freezesyou.
(16:12):
Yeah Right, You're just likestuck, You're like so I'm so
overwhelmed, I just don't knowwhat to do at this point, Um,
and so that's.
That's been really helpful onthat front.
So those couple of things, um,I think I feel better, right,
which is good.
So we'll see if the next bioage test, if it uh, different
(16:37):
avenues Interesting.
What do you do for stress?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
reduction.
Well, good question, uh, causeI'm, I'm same boat, you know
like I mean.
I mean, I know I want to shoutout to my wife cause she's at
home with the kids, you know,all day, every day.
Um, so she's got a lot on herplate cause I have a five every
day.
Um, so she's got a lot on herplate cause I have a five.
Uh, she's going to be five inJuly.
My daughter, my son, is turningthree next week and then we have
(17:00):
a four month old.
He'll be five months and fourdays, so just about five month
old.
Yeah, so we're grinding rightnow.
The baby's up, you know, atleast three times a night, yep,
and then he's usually in bedwith us at some point to just
calm down.
So my wife's like I just sleepand I was like totally
understandable, yeah, if one ofthe bigger kids gets up, I
usually go with, I try to getthem.
Sure, my son got up last nightand, uh, he came into our room,
(17:23):
you know, and I was like I gotup to help.
He's like, no, I want, mommy,like I'm sorry, I don't know
what, you would just be man.
So I don't know, you know, buthe was like really screaming, so
I want.
My wife got up and was likemommy, you know.
So she did it.
I'm like man, I want to help.
Anyway, to answer your questionfor that little background.
We're in the, we're grindingright now.
Um, I'm in the same boat, youknow.
(17:45):
I work out.
I try to work out four days aweek is my goal, right, and
usually right now it's like ifsomebody cancels on my day I'm
working, working out, phonecalls will be, later Emails.
I'll get them later Lunchtime orwhen I get home or something.
It's not going to be the end ofthe world, but I'd rather work
out.
I had a mentor tell me that onetime he's like your to-do list
is always going to be super long, it's never ending, it's not
(18:07):
going to go away but, what'smore important, it end of the
day.
All right, I can knock outthese 10 tasks that I know it's
going to last 45 minutes.
It's going to be 45 minutes,maybe an hour, hour and a half
where it's like, oh, where'd thetime go?
Now I got to go home or justwork out right away.
Just don't even think about it.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
What was your mentor's like philosophy there?
I'm curious about that.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, it's the pattern.
It's the pattern development ofworking out versus finishing
the email.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And if you do establish a routine of working
out and consistency, that'swhat's going to last more
impactfully for you later inlife, if you just consistently
exercise and do something thatyou know is going to be
beneficial for you.
So at the end of the day, I'mlike did I have a productive?
My wife's like how was your day?
And I was like it wasproductive.
What equates product like itwas a productive?
(19:00):
My wife's like how was your day?
And I was like it wasproductive.
What equates product Like itwas a productive day?
Usually it's if I did somethingmeaningful to move the needle
and I worked out those twothings.
That's the equation.
So if I don't work out and I'mlike well, I knocked out some
emails and like busy work stuff,it's like that could have
waited.
I feel worse.
I think it was just like guiltin, like I could have done
something different.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
You know that's such a great um.
That's such a great thing tothink about, especially as, like
a business owner, you know, andit's like we can feel so busy
all the time yeah, what thingsare we actually doing that are
really productive?
Moving, the needle moving theneedle because there's so much.
I mean I don't know how.
I know you're very involved dayto day in your business, but I
don't know how much you'reactually like in there working
(19:35):
on people.
I know you have a team and soit's like.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
A lot different now than it was a couple months ago.
That's awesome, like what itmeans.
Like I'm, I'm seeing a lot more, so you're seeing Treating more
people Is that a good thing.
Yeah, well, I mean, I enjoy it,you know, um, and it's not
slowing down, which is a goodthing, it's a good problem to
have.
But then I'm like all right,but then what about my other,
(20:02):
you know other goals?
Uh, there was a point where Iwas seeing uh, that was every
day 6am to 4pm.
I was like 4pm, hard stop.
People are like can I see youat four, four, 30?
I'm like no, I gotta go home.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I'm going to be yeah, let me hold my kids, you know,
my wife.
So it was a hard stop, but Iwould see people from six to
four with like an hour between,so like nine people a day and
then, uh, if somebody canceledthey'd be like priority working
out.
Yeah, I'm gonna send emailslater, do I'll do another time,
but like I have to work out, butanyway for that goal, I was
like, if that that's what's tobe more important, if I set a
routine and a consistencyexpectation to like exercise
yeah that's going to stick withme longer and be more of a
benefit for my health.
So, anyway, that being said, toanswer your question, what do I
do for stress exercise?
I try to get in four days aweek, if I can, um, and then, uh
(20:44):
, I like podcasts a lot yeah Iagree with you that, like when
things pop up, there's always ahuge to-do list, if you're not
an entrepreneur or a businessowner, but you're just a mom or
a dad and you have all thesegoals and things you want to do,
like to-do lists never stop.
And they'll overwhelm you.
So I'm like, all right, I can'tlet the urgent crowd, the
significant, what's actuallygoing to move the needle than I
(21:06):
prioritize.
But I like podcasts, especiallyentrepreneurial podcasts, like
I'll throw a mosey a lot.
I'm a mosey guy, for sure.
It just helps with clarity.
I'm a mosey guy for sure.
It just helps with clarity,sure.
So the clarity helps me not beoverwhelmed.
So I have a clear path of likethis is what, this is the game
plan, this is the action steps,this is more important.
That's not that important yetCool.
So I'm going to focus on that.
And then I'm going to exercise.
So at least the clarity and I'mknocking things out that are
(21:33):
significant and then exerciseand then that's pretty much it.
Because right now I go home.
As soon as I get home I'm justlike fully invested with family
time and then getting ready fordinner and then bedtime routine,
then clean up afterwards, thenI get a shower, I say hi to my
wife, and then I go to bed andthen get up at 4.45 and do it
all over.
So, yeah, that's unfortunatelyright now.
(21:55):
That is it, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, that's.
That's about all you cansqueeze in.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I do enjoy, um, or I think another benefit that I is
helpful with stress is my ownanecdotal opinions.
Right, um, meditation has beenhelpful and just reflection.
And then, if I read um,something I liked a lot was
getting diving into stoicism andfamiliar with stoicism.
So, ryan holidays, he's a coolauthor, that he's a young guy
(22:20):
too, I think it's like earlyforties, you know like 42, 40,
but anyway he's wrote in a lotof cool stuff.
Um, I just liked the philosophystuff that he brings to the
table on.
It's like some light readingrunning over some ancient
philosophy of like the oldStoics, you know, you know, do
it at night, I'll put you tosleep, yes, exactly.
Of like seneca and um epictetus, um marcus aurelius, those guys
(22:43):
, but anyway, it just reallyputs things in perspective.
And then also clarity, yeah,where, um, nobody, nobody can
actually bother you unless youallow them to bother you.
Yeah, I'm like, oh, that makessense.
Like people, people only pushyour buttons if you show them
your buttons and you let thempush your buttons.
Other than that, like it's just, it's on you.
And I was like I like thatbecause I can control the
(23:04):
situation.
Yeah, I have to manage my ownexpectations, my own emotions.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Right, I had a conversation with my son, um,
after a soccer game the otherday and it's, it was a thing I
saw from, uh, alex Hormozy, um,on like, look, the people that
are that are criticizing you ortelling you you can't do it.
They're never the people thatare ahead of you, it's never.
It's never the, themultimillionaire or the person
who's athletically, you know,professional.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Telling the young kid like no, you suck, you can't do
it Right.
Like it's somebody who eithersees you as a threat, right, or
somebody who doesn't want you tosucceed because they're behind
you.
Um, and so it's, yeah, it's,it's got to stay on top of that.
I met it like things.
I've a metaphor that I'm likeimagine if there was somebody
very fit at the gym, justimagining gym la, fitness goals,
(23:49):
like whatever right, andthere's very fit individual.
And then somebody comes in andthey're not confident.
They are clearly haven't reallyexercised a lot, they're
overweight, they don't look good.
Like physique wise, you know,sure could you imagine that very
fit individual walking up andbe like you'll never get fit.
Look at you, you're like you'rea joke, right?
That person would never do that.
(24:11):
No, if that overweight personat the gym were to approach that
very fit individual, was like,hey, can you like help me?
Or like what should I do?
I guarantee you that that fitperson would probably be like oh
my gosh, let me help you.
Well, because this, this andthis I'm like you can totally do
this.
Like because they're ahead ofthem in that fitness game.
They're not going to be likeputting them down, right.
So, anyway, that's the samemetaphor as, like people ahead
(24:33):
of you, aren't going to be theones to be criticizing and
putting it down.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I think it's a lot to do too, because they know what
it took to get there.
Yeah, exactly Like the personthat is incredibly fit.
Like it's not all geneticsright.
Like they put a lot of time andeffort and energy and studying
and researching andunderstanding in to get to the
place that they are.
So when they see somebody youknow starting on that path, it's
like, oh, I remember when I wasthere, but it's not easy.
(24:56):
It's the person that has noidea what they're talking about,
that doesn't have any clue thehumility is not there.
It's not.
They have no idea what it takesto get to that point, and so
they're just like, oh no, youdon't have it Totally.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
But anyway, to answer your question about what do I
do, I would, can you know?
Yeah, I also prioritize.
What I put a value in isgetting enough sleep, where, if
it's 8 30 and it's like, okay,we actually got the kids down
and like the kitchens puttogether and we're showered,
it's like I'm gonna go to bed.
Right, I'm gonna hopefully havea meaningful conversation with
(25:31):
my wife at some point.
So one of you passes outconversation right versus, like
you know, scrolling or watchinga show or something like that.
Yeah, and we don't even havecable right now.
Like we don't watch TV.
Yeah, which is like actually apretty good thing.
Yep, it just eliminates that,you know, just same way as, like
, imagine somebody's battlingwith, like snacking and eating
and stuff or junk food, justlike not having it in the house.
(25:51):
Yeah, just not having cable inthe house.
Like it just kind of eliminatesthat.
That's great for sure.
Scrolling is probably my onemain vice.
Yeah, just like funny videos.
You know it's probably sendingit to my family, my sister, my
brother and stuff.
Like, hey, check this, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, look at this funny video I do the same thing
and I usually like pop on a showor a movie, like late night,
and I know how bad the screentime is before you go to sleep.
Yeah, and I was actually.
Um, I'm like there's somethingin my brain telling me that I
need this and I I don't thinkit's just like I need the
dopamine kick.
I think it's more of like I'mhaving this thought yesterday.
I think it's more of like I'mjust so at such a high level all
(26:28):
day and like it it's second youget home.
It's like wife, kids, like it'sjust more chaos, stuff to do
around the house, like today I'mcleaning out our patio when I
get home, and like it's justthere's always a list of shit to
do.
Yeah, and so I'm like what is itthat my brain is like, why is
my brain craving this?
And so I'm on chat gpt I'm like, all right, here's the
situation.
Like I need you to help meunderstand.
It's a good idea, yeah, and itcranks out it's like no, based
(26:50):
on you know everything.
I know about you and I'm alwaysplugging stuff in trying to
figure myself out.
Um, it's like you your bodyneeds is like screaming for like
a, a break.
Yeah, it's just, it's justmindless like nothing.
That's the 30 minutes.
Yeah, just just to reset.
Yeah, and even if the screentime you know the blue light is
(27:10):
affecting your sleep, it'sprobably better for you
psychologically to get that in,so I'm trying to eliminate it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Like that benefit outweighs the negative of the
blue.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And that's kind of what I was.
I was trying to figure out.
I'm like I'd love to eliminatethis, I'm like, but I also kind
of feel like part of me needsand maybe I can.
I'm sure I can find a better,you know, escape if you will, or
like decompression method atthe end of the day.
Yeah, for sure, but I thoughtit was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I totally agree with you.
Yeah, it's just unwinding.
Yeah, I'm definitely anunwinding guy.
So I was like so say I valuegoing to sleep right away.
I mean, am I perfect?
Of course not.
You know like I definitelyunwind.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, Like, why do we do that?
Why did I'm like?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I know.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I have to have.
All of a sudden it's 11 and I'mstill looking at my phone like
dang it.
Now, I'm going to be tired,tomorrow it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Have you heard of resentment?
Sleep no, revenge.
Sleep, revenge, no.
What is that?
Yeah, it's like revenge andresistance against the next day,
as in like well, f that I'm notgoing to sleep, I want to
unwindwind.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So the person self-sabotages by staying up I I
feel like I've definitely hadlike it's, like it's almost I
would say so much.
For me it's like a revengesleep, but it's more of uh,
apprehension sleep like god,like I gotta get up and like, if
I know I got a busy day, Igotta get up and do it,
especially if it's like theroutine, if it's's something new
, exciting like last night I wasexcited for this right, I'm
(28:37):
like, all right, I got this fun.
You know, get to go dosomething fun today.
Like podcast is fun, right, I'mnot.
It's not just the usual, youknow, day in and day out,
revenge bedtime.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Procrastination Nice, that's what it is.
Revenge bedtime totally do that.
Yeah, because I'm usually moreof a like.
If somebody tells me I can't dosomething, I'm usually the one
like well, I'm gonna do itanyway.
You know kind of person becauseyou're growing up my parents
will probably tell you that whenI was a kid, yeah, but um,
that's totally me for sure.
That's great, but like but.
And what's interesting is like,if it's a friday night and
(29:08):
great situation happens kidswent to bed somewhat compliant,
you know, like, and placescleaned up, dishes are put away
and it's early, I easier to goto bed right away.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Really.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Versus, like, if it's a Monday and that happens, you
would think it'd be the reverse,like, oh, I get to sleep in
Saturday morning, well, and I'llsleep until six 30 instead of
five, you know, interestingWhereas, like Friday night, you
know, I'll be easier to go tobed.
It's because the revengeprogression, uh, bedtime is not
there.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
That's so crazy.
The next day I know I have offyeah, cause, mine's definitely
not, um, cause even like let'ssay, okay, it's the weekend, uh,
maddox, my son has a game at 10.
So we got to be there at nine,so we got to leave it eight 30,
get up by seven 30.
I'm like, okay, if I go to bedby midnight, I'm still great.
Yeah, I can sleep in half hoursSeven and a half hours, great
oh.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I do that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
All of a sudden it's one in the morning and I'm like,
still pushing it on theweekends.
I'm like, no, I want to bethere for my kids tomorrow.
I want to be present.
I don't want to be tired.
You know, it's like, it's just,it's a problem.
I totally, and I wish I had not, almost not done it.
Thinking about this,diagnostics, the whoop band,
(30:17):
yeah, or like the aura ring orwhatever you don't wear one, I
used to, I don't I realized,like if I would check it every
morning Now, mind you, it didhelp me get to sleep better, how
?
So, just to be conscious of it,okay, like, all right, I'm
going to get my score in themorning, my sleep score.
I need to make sure I'm in bedon time, make sure my whoop is
happy with me.
Exactly, yeah, my, my, uhdigital overlord here.
(30:39):
Um, but I would wake up at if itwas like, for whatever reason,
I didn't have a good night'ssleep.
So, like, psychologically, Iwas like in the dumps all day,
(31:01):
like, oh, I didn't have a goodnight.
The point where it's like, allright, I just I can't pay
attention to this anymore, likeI need to just wake up and,
regardless how I'm feeling, getafter it.
Yeah, yeah, um, but then abuddy, or some buddy of mine,
sent me research and it's like Iguess you have these like 45
minute increments, that you'relike REM sleep versus light
sleep and if you wake up during,like whatever time, your alarm
goes off during that REM or deepsleep period.
It's like when you wake upfeeling super groggy, you're
just the lights never fully comeon all day.
(31:21):
And so now it's like I'm tryingto gamify, like all right, how
do I get exactly, you know,seven and a half hours of sleep,
Like that's my sweet spot.
So if I get 645, I'm in theother cycle and now I'm tired
all day.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
So it's yeah for sure , yeah, it's like I know exactly
what you're talking about.
So, yes, uh, I just feel likebrian, this guy named brian
johnson, yeah, okay, yeah,though, he went, don't die.
Yeah, philosophy, whatever.
Um, I appreciate what he'sdoing.
I'm not gonna do that, I wouldnever do that.
And I'm like I wonder how muchof his of like study, when you
say that, what do you mean?
(31:53):
All right, so studying um thewhoop sleep scores, studying his
biological age of every organ,um, and like, what's my score
today?
What did I sleep today?
I wonder if that I don't want tosay neuroticism, but just
attention all right is actuallytaking years off his life just
with the stress and anxietyinvolved with just oh, it's my
score.
I don't know what he is likepersonally, you know, but I just
(32:16):
wonder if that's adding alittle bit shaving off years,
which is counteracting what he'strying to do in the first place
.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Oh, I got to think.
So I mean the, the, the, thestudies that show how stress,
regardless of where it's comingfrom, how it impacts your aging
and impacts just your, yourlongevity is it has a terrible
impact on it.
So you mentioned Brian Johnson,like he's like, very well known
in the longevity space.
Of course that's his wholeshtick.
Um made all his money selling,you know, sell off technology
(32:41):
company.
He spends supposedly about $2million a year on all this
anti-aging stuff and so he isknown to have the lowest pace of
aging, which is part of thebiological age test, um, in the
world, which shows, like thebiological age again, is your
entire accumulation of birthtill now.
But the pace of aging is justhow are we doing today?
(33:02):
Like are we?
One would be average, 1.2 wouldbe we're aging, you know, 20%
faster.
0.8 would be we're aging 20%slower.
So his is 0.6, which means he'saging about, I think, one year
every 19, 19 months was, I think, what?
The 20 months, whatever thenumber is.
And so he spends all this moneyon it.
(33:23):
And we brought in I can'tdisclose her name, but a woman
from Palm beach, um, who is aninfluencer to the fountain, did
the biological age test for free, wanted her to talk about it,
promote it to the fountain.
Did the biological age test forfree?
Wanted her to talk about it,promote it.
She's in her late twenties anddoesn't spend any money on
(33:45):
anti-aging or anything and herpace of aging was 0.61.
Wow, and I was like so she'slived a great lifestyle, right,
relatively stress-free fromwe're kind of talking about it
afterwards.
I was like this is incrediblethat your score is this low,
like what it's like you know,tell me about your life.
And she's like you know, it'sgreat, everything's good.
Like you can just tell she wasjust like so at peace and so
happy.
I'm like so that that has a lotto do with it too.
(34:06):
You know, and she's I meanagainson, she's doing age
specific or, uh, longevityspecific to enhance her, uh, her
biological age.
But it's pretty crazy that,like without doing any of that,
she still is the same pace.
This guy's spending two milliondollars a year on that's crazy.
(34:27):
He's older, so as you get older, your pace of aging does
increase.
He's like late 40s, right?
Yeah, I think so.
I can't tell he looks like analien he looks like a little bit
.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
But I appreciate, like I said, like what I want,
I'm like what I would want toget out of it.
I would say, just tell me whatyou're finding in your research
and then we'll just apply it.
Yeah, exactly cool, you do it.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
You show me I'll, I'll just apply it you know well
, I think that's where it's allgoing is the data yeah, right, I
think it's super interestingand I can appreciate what he
like with the sleep schedule.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
You know, because he when he when I was the podcast,
I was into that he was and Idove a little bit more in some
articles and stuff about him.
But uh, he, his schedule is 830 bed and he wakes up at 4 30
and then he works out for anhour a day and his last meal for
the day is 11 am really that'swhat he said.
Wow, yeah, so he eats from likeI think he exercises before, he
(35:17):
works, before he eats, and hishe eats like berries and nuts
and yogurt or something likethat, and that's it I wonder
what his caloric intake is in aday, right, right I'm not sure.
Yeah, but he doesn't deviatefrom the plan ever like he's's
super disciplined.
Doesn't have chocolate, nocandy cake.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's something else that's coming up.
No, alcohol, that's coming up.
A lot is, uh, one, just total,and obviously America has an
obesity epidemic and a very bigproblem to deal with.
But even outside of that, likethe total caloric intake,
there's a lot of stuff comingout that's saying even like 2000
calories a day.
(35:58):
Now, maybe for somebody youknow your size or my size it's
more appropriate, but for theaverage size person they're
showing that it's like you don'treally need that many calories
to thrive and survive.
And on top of that right thequality of food and all the
inflammation and all the otherstuff that's going on.
(36:18):
It's like that's lending, youknow, to all these different
age-related diseases.
Right, 60% of the disease comesfrom inflammation.
Most chronic inflammation comesfrom food.
It's like why don't we trace itback to the source and start
fixing this?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, yeah, I've heard the same thing.
I'm like what do you do, though?
Because there's microplasticsfound in all the food, just from
the packaging.
Inflammation, there's heavymetals involved with just where
the farm is located, if there'sa factory or whatever, or an oil
spill somewhere in the oceanand then neighboring that like a
ocean side, like in Piney orPalm Beach, as an example and
(36:54):
then just things, foodsensitivities.
You know that people are justnaturally sensitive, they don't
really know otherwise.
But like, how can we control?
Like we'll never be able to fixall that unless we have our own
gardens and our own farms withchickens and like our own cows
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
So there's some cool stuff along those lines that
we're doing.
That kind of helps with that.
Um on the back end, rightchelation therapy, um pulls
heavy metals out of your blood,um, so it's like an iv or what
is it?
So it's an iv, yeah, andthere's uh, edta and I forget
what the acronym stands for isthe medication that goes into
the IV and then it effectivelyacts like a magnet, so it pulls
(37:31):
all the heavy metals out of yourbloodstream into your digestive
tract and you urinate them out,which is cool.
So that helps to remove heavymetals.
And then, of course, frominflammation standpoint exosome
therapy, but also ozone therapy,right for killing parasites and
other stuff in your bloodstream, which is again where they're
(37:51):
starting to speculate, orthey've already.
You know some studies areshowing this, like how the
cancers come from and thingslike that.
So it's free.
From undetected parasitesMm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Interesting.
Yeah it's wild practitioners inthe area that have been doing
ozone therapy for a while.
Um for other, from myunderstanding, other rationales,
but to rid parasites is whatyou're saying yes, that's part
of.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
That's one of the applications.
Yeah, there's a ton of them.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
What, um, what stuff were they doing it for for me,
from what you remember, I thinkjust healing in general, like if
somebody has like a, like aknee arthritic, degenerative
changes, or just knee hurts,their shoulder hurts their neck
hurts the back, whatever, but,um, I have to go back and look,
I should know this because of,yeah, dang it, I feel bad.
That's all right, if youremember, if you're listening,
don't let me remind me um.
(38:36):
But uh, what I was going to saytoo is, um, this is so.
It's about america, obesityepidemic.
Right, just made me think aboutthis.
There was this study I cameacross.
You're familiar with, theuniverse 25 study.
No, all right.
So, uh, it's this study on mice.
I have the article, I can pullit up, but it's a study they did
(38:57):
on mice.
These scientists from, I mean,the 70s, um, and it's ethics now
probably wouldn't allow them todo these studies sure, but
anyway.
They created these differentworlds for 25 different
situations over the period of along time.
They did these studies for along time and um put a bunch of
like a handful of mice in at theend of this.
(39:19):
That's 25th universe theycreated.
For these.
Mice was the utopia absolute,like garden of eden.
Mice was the utopia, absolutelyLike garden of Eden plenty of
food, no threats, temperatureregulated, plenty of water,
plenty of space for people, forthe, for the people, for mice to
roam around and stuff.
Um, and over the period of sevenyears, um, the mice rapidly
(39:42):
populated and got to a pointwhere it's because they had all
the food they needed and socialhierarchies kind of started to
develop.
And then abnormal behaviorsstarted to develop.
Socially right, like abnormalbehaviors, things you wouldn't
think otherwise, like everybody,just chill, just do your own
(40:03):
thing.
Like keep your space, space,like we're good, like let's not
rock the boat, right?
That wasn't happening.
So they ran the st like thisstudy, um, and they ended up
crowding spaces.
The males that ended up notcaring, just did they just like
kind of exited and they werekind of loners.
And then there was other onesthat were super hyper aggressive
, that would be fighting andkilling off other mice, um, the
(40:25):
female mice would startattacking their own young, and
this isn't like they didn't evenreach a population density
standpoint of like overcrowding.
There was still plenty of space.
But they populated, they grew,there was periods of growth and
prosperity and then they starteddeveloping into like these
hierarchy and abnormal socialbehaviors and stuff.
Still plenty of food, plenty ofwater, plenty of great
(40:45):
temperature, like everything'stotally fine and the spaces
they're not crowded.
Population started declininglike, uh, the repopulation,
reproduction rates declineduntil it became stagnant and
then, as an example, like thefemale mice started attacking
their own young, um, startedkilling males, were attacking
each other, um, and then thepopulation declined even further
(41:06):
.
Like, the reproduction ratedeclined even further until it
came to a zero where nobody waseven reproducing anymore.
Yeah, eventually, and there wasa peak population where it was
still within a third of theamount of mice that could have
been in the space, yeah, and itdeclined and it kept declining
until the end where they stoppedreproducing and they killed
each other off and all the micedied no way yeah I have the
(41:29):
article, I can send you rightnow it's kind of uh sounds very
familiar to what's going on,right now Right.
So the bottom line that they'resaying is it was just too
comfortable.
Yeah, think there has to bestruggle has to be, there has to
be um challenge, otherwise youjust get too comfortable and you
create your own drama.
Oh yeah, and then abnormal,abnormal social behavior starts
(41:52):
happening, and a classic signfrom that they're describing is
abnormal social behaviorwhatever you want to define that
, as I'm not going to getpolitical um and then, uh, um,
declining reproductive rates.
That's.
Those are the two classic signs.
So I'm like all right, well, ifwe go to the grocery store
right now, there's plenty oflike, we have unlimited sources
(42:12):
of food.
Anyway, the bottom line being,it's just they just got too
comfortable.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, and you think about, you know, the evolution
of our society, right?
It's a lot more comfortabletoday than it was, you, you know
, even a few hundred years ago,and it's uh, it's almost like if
you, if you don't havesomething to struggle with, like
, what are you focusing on,right?
Like, make make stuff up inyour head of like, hey, this is
(42:39):
important, I'm gonna, I'm gonnastress out about this or turn
this into an ordeal, instead offocusing on something you know
worthwhile all right.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
So it was um john b calhoun in the in the late 1960s
and early 70s in the nationalinstitute of mental health.
Yeah, that's, that was the.
They wanted to create a utopianhabitat for mice, mimicking
like a garden of eden, withunlimited food, water, nesting
materials, and then just wantedto observe the population
dynamics and behavioral changes.
This was the 25th universe theycreated for these mice.
(43:07):
The other ones, I think onethrough 24, were different
situations, but this one waslike Less than ideal.
I think so yeah, but anyway,yeah, crazy.
They declined and by day 920,there were no survivors.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, so two and a half years.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, 365, yeah, yeah , 365.
Yeah, that's wild, almost threeyears.
Yeah, the population peaked at2200.
Mice Aggression increased, somemales withdrew, they were
termed the beautiful ones andthey stopped defending
territories and just like theyreally didn't care, they just
had apathy, they really you know.
And then females would neglector attack their young and then,
(43:46):
uh, starting at day 56, 561 andonward, the birth weights
plummeted and infant mortalityreached 100.
Wow, yeah, isn't?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
that crazy is that?
Is that all the like the mom'skilling them off, or is that?
Speaker 1 (43:58):
is there other neglect and killing them off,
jesus, like this would neglectthem, god I don't know.
Um yeah, cannibalism, um yeah,isolation.
And then the populationdeclined to extinction at 920
day 920, with no survivors by1973 and what's your typical
(44:19):
mouse lifespan?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
yeah right, exactly like.
It seems like a very shortamount of mouse itself should
last.
Yeah, like one would last acouple years.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Right right, I Right it'd have to.
Anyway, that just made me thinkabout what you said about, you
know, obesity epidemic ingeneral.
Yeah, I'm like let's rethinkthis.
What is it that?
You actually really sorry me?
We, a person, what do weactually really want?
You know, have no stress, noproblems.
Unlimited resources of food andwater.
No problems, unlimitedresources of food and water.
(44:49):
I don't know what that yieldlike the best situation for
human life.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
According to that, if we correlate that with people,
I don't know I think it'sfiltering through like what's
what's, what's the importantstressors, like what are the
things worth stressing about?
Right, because we live in thislike our society's, so like
hyper, there's so much beingcrammed down our throats at all
the time.
Right, it's like what isactually worth stressing about
Right, and for me that that somost people right over time,
(45:15):
that scope continues to narrowand narrow and, like now, it's
like, uh, the family first andforemost, making sure that
they're good, and the businessand everything else, is kind of
like I, I don't care.
We had, we had a pretty toughprofessional situation which I
won't go into detail on over thelast, you know, year or so, and
(45:37):
we were talking about differentthings and I'm like you know
this, this, you may talk to mywife about it.
I'm like you may feeldifferently about me for saying
this, but I really don't care,not, not to her.
And I'm like I feel differentlyabout me for saying this, but I
really don't care, not not tohurt.
I'm like I'm empathetic, youknow, to you into the situation,
but like to your the impactit's having on us, but me
personally caring about theoutcome of this, it, it doesn't
(45:59):
matter.
Yeah, it really doesn't?
Um, and that was liberating forus both.
Actually, I think it was kind oflike a cool thing where we're
like, okay, this is somethingthat we had so much stress and
anxiety around for a long time,and we finally both got to the
place where, like, we can stressabout it or we can let it be
and it'll figure itself out oneway or another.
But either way, regardless ofthe outcome, we're going to be
fine.
Yeah, like we'd like oneoutcome more than the other, but
(46:27):
if it doesn't work work outthat way, then we're okay.
Yeah, we got the importantstuff families here, healthy,
right, you know all the positivestuff and and the fountain and
encore is great.
So, yeah, let's focus there.
Yeah, that's all I love that.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
I would agree.
Yeah, um, all right, I gottaget going.
I gotta have the patient comingin.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, man, but thanks for coming in, appreciate
having me um share again whereyou guys are located and what's
the best way to reach out to youguys yeah, um, if you want to
hit us on Instagram, um, at thefountain WPB, as in West Palm
beach, we're located right overthere, okeechobee and 95 in the
uh Nick's diner, bolle StarbucksPlaza.
Um, good emails too.
Hello at the fountain WPBcom.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Hello at the fountain WP Cool, awesome man.
Well, thank you for coming inand if you have any questions
for us, we're always open toquestions, comments, concerns,
conflicting opinions, whatever,and if you want to be a guest or
know someone that may be a coolguest, feel free to reach out.
And if you're battling painyourself, definitely don't
hesitate to reach out.
We can at least chat on thephone and see what you have
going on and how we might beable to help you, and we'll
catch you all next time.
If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach
and pursue a higher qualitylife with some ambition, then
guess what this podcast is foryou.
This is the Driven AthletePodcast.
What's up?
Y'all?
It's your man.
Dr Kyle, we got the man BlakeBaino back on the podcast again
A cool guest owner of theFountain working with Encore
(00:20):
Imaging Yep Right.
Thanks for coming in, thanksfor having me again.
I know you're a busy guy, so Iappreciate it.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I appreciate you guys making time for me.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So tell people again what the Fountain is, where you
guys are at, and also Encore.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah.
So Fountain is a anti-aginglongevity clinic.
We specialize in functionaldiagnostics.
So looking at the body from animaging standpoint, looking at
it from a genetic standpoint andlooking at it from your blood
work taking those three thingsto create anti-aging and
longevity plans for people,really based on what the results
tell us, how they're feeling,what they want to accomplish.
(00:52):
So that is Fountain.
Encore is the imaging component.
That's my partner's business.
They've got nine locationsthroughout the state, adding
three more in the next fewmonths.
They're growing very rapidly.
But where it ties together,encore Imaging does a body use
scan, which is a head to hipsscreening of or sorry, 12 organs
(01:14):
, including the brain, for over500 conditions.
Really looking for cancer,looking to see like, hey, is
there anything lingering that'sgonna kill me in the next 12
months?
Wanna make sure that's not inthere.
So it's detecting like cysts,tumors, gross, uh, five
millimeters and larger, um, andso that's.
That's a new component that wejust added in the last few
months we talked about a littlebit last time I was on the show.
(01:34):
Yeah, um, but it's, it's goingreally well, it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That's, that is really cool.
I mean, that's a super valuableinformation of like um, if you
want to find stuff like that,yeah, and then nip it in the bud
when you can like early.
Early detection is always goingto be the key.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
That's the number one indicator of outcome is is how
early can you catch it?
I mean, we had your stories atthe time, people.
Uh, she had a buddy of mine.
It was terrible and I forgetexactly what his fiance was
diagnosed with, but she got adiagnosis into January.
Uh was gone, uh, before April1st.
My gosh, yeah.
And so she can go that quick,cause it was undiagnosed.
I mean, who knows how long itwas there, but it was just, you
(02:08):
know, she got diagnosed at stagefour and at that point it's it
was aggressive cancer, there'snothing they could do.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And that's terrible.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Two months later she was gone.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, that yeah.
No, major organ full body viewscanning is there a prescription
needed for that?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No, so it's kind of interesting because it's a new
area for imaging.
There's other brands that dosimilar things, but it's not
necessarily needs to beprescribed by a doctor, it's
just somebody who wants to comein check, make sure there's
nothing going on.
You know, we recommend everyyear or two getting the scan
done again, because it's justearly detection, like the sooner
(02:49):
that you know something isgoing on, um, the sooner you can
take action.
And we get people that are like, oh, I don't, I don't want to
know, like, well, it's, it'sthere, whether you know about it
or not.
Um, so if you don't know aboutit, there's nothing you can do.
If you know about it, you canat least take action and
increase your chances of apositive outcome.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
That is tough Cause, like as soon as we find out.
Then it's like all right, nowwe've got to hit the gas pedal
on, like all these other testsand everything, and I was like,
well, what's the alternative?
Yeah, not doing anything.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's probably right, Like if you you
know, I've never been diagnosedwith cancer, but my dad had
cancer and I saw what he wentthrough and like the thought of
being diagnosed and goingthrough that process is
terrifying, but the alternativeis not doing anything and dying.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I'm like well, I guess I'd opt for the former.
Yeah, 100%, yeah.
So when people come in to seeyou, I mean life, longevity,
optimization of health, right,what are some things people of,
like the typical demographicy'all see.
Where do they come in?
What do they say?
They're like why are you here,right?
Oh, I want to do.
What's the typical profile looklike?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
They'll usually.
It's usually people in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, right?
So 30s to 60s, let's say They'llsee one of the things that we
do, one of the posts, one of theclips from me on your podcast,
and they'll, it'll resonate withthem and they're like hey, I've
been feeling this or I've beenthinking about this.
Can you guys help me?
(04:16):
And I love having thoseconversations with people
because it allows us to identify, like, what's the best path for
them, them or what's mostpressing, whereas when we're
kind of outbound marketing,right, it's like we're trying to
create a message that landswith Kyle, that lands with
so-and-so, whereas if they'recoming to us like all right,
well, let's talk about exactlywhat's going on with you and
then from there, we can createeither a diagnostic package and
(04:39):
again we can do the fullspectrum we can do a very small,
you know, focused diagnosticassessment and then from there,
based on the results, based onhow you're feeling, based on
what your goals are and what ourproviders are recommending, we
can create an anti-aging packageon the back end that's going to
have you just feeling your best, and increasing health span is
the term that we're using.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's good.
Increasing health span.
What's on that plan usually?
Which plan For increasinghealthspan?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah.
So on the back end it's goingto be some combination of and
let me take a step back.
There's the recommendations aregoing to be vast and I give
everybody the disclaimer, whenthey come in, like our providers
are going to throw the kitchensink at you because we want you
to have the information, we wantyou to know if there's a
specific area that you'reinterested in addressing.
(05:27):
How to address it Doesn't meanwe're saying start everything
today, but we're going to pickthe one or two things that are
really going to move the needle.
So it starts with usually a lotof over-the-counter stuff,
right?
Maybe some prescriptionmedications, maybe a
recommendation out to aspecialist, that stuff outside
of us and then inside of thecenter hormone therapy, peptides
(05:48):
, medical weight loss, exosometherapy, stem cell therapy and
then a bunch of different IVtherapies as well, gotcha, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
And then when somebody starts on one of those
plans, what's the life, what'slike the?
Yeah, the long-term plan.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
That's probably the the number one question that I
get.
Yeah, like, how long did it be?
Like how long do I have to takethis right?
It's like, well, we're workingagainst father time, yeah, and
father time is not relenting.
So I encourage everybody tolook at is like this is a
lifestyle change, like we aregoing to make adjustments that
will ultimately you'll need tokind of continue on with it for
(06:26):
a long time, like it's notsomething that we can do for a
month and then you're cured,right.
It's like our body is slowlydegrading, and again, not
noticeable day to day, but overthe course.
I mean I don't know about howyou feel, but in the last seven
years, you know, before I gotinto all this, I felt like at
age like 20 years, you know it'sbusinesses, I mean you know how
it goes, um for sure.
And so I encourage people tolook at this as like this is a
(06:48):
lifestyle change.
That's why I want to startconservative, right, we want to
do just the littlest amountpossible.
Is the always the best courseaction?
Retest blood work or retestwhatever diagnostic we did in
three to six months, see howwe're doing, see how we're
feeling, tweak it If at thatpoint.
Once we have a good routine,want to add something else on
then go from there.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Gotcha, Taper off if needed.
Add some things here if youneed to.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, and there are certain things that we do that
are kind of temporary, like BPC.
Bpc is a very popular peptidefor healing that's usually used
when somebody has more of likean acute injury as opposed to
like a long-term plan.
Some people like to take ityear-round, um, just for the
healing benefit, but that'susually something that I'll
recommend like a three to fourmonth protocol.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So the bpp, bpc 157.
Yes, that's also.
That's one I remember youtalking about other people I've
talked with.
It's like it stimulates growthhormone, human growth hormone.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So that's the growth hormone releasing peptides, and
while bpc does that a little bit, it's not its primary function.
Um, the growth hormone, that'sthe growth hormone-releasing
peptides, and while BPC doesthat a little bit, it's not its
primary function.
The growth hormone-releasingpeptides are going to be more
for longevity, more for recovery, reducing inflammation and just
a litany of other healthbenefits.
But the BPC is really going topromote healing and specifically
(08:02):
the angiogenesis, which is, youknow, uh, creating new blood
vessels.
So there is some differentschools of thought of, like you
want to inject close to theinjury, psychs can help her more
, promote more healing in thatarea.
But there's, uh, there's abunch of different ways to do it
and again, it's one of thosethings that I don't think is
necessary year round.
Some people like, do it yearround, but you can go either way
.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Let's say, uh, people have asked me questions.
They're like, let's say, a guyor a female, a guy or girl is uh
.
They're like I want to work out, I want to look good, build
muscle, physique right On theextreme end, be like
bodybuilding or something likethat, physique training.
Are they stacking like BPC andother things, to hormone therapy
(08:43):
?
Yeah, like, what's the, what'sthe optimal stack?
Usually?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So I can tell you what I do, okay, and I'm not
sure if it's optimal, but itworks for me.
So I started off myself justdoing testosterone therapy, and
we talked about last time yougot to account for the whole
feedback loop.
So you have some ancillarymedications, specifically in
clomiphene, which stimulatesyour natural testosterone
production, and then alsoinastrozole, which keeps your
estrogen levels down, um, inaddition to, of course, the
(09:09):
actual testosterone that keepseverything kind of functioning
properly, so that if you have tocome off of testosterone for
whatever reason, you don't likethe way you feel your PSA is
creeping up, you, um, you're,you're not kind of shooting
yourself in the foot.
So I started off there, feltgreat, um, and down the line,
what were your testosteronelevels before you started?
(09:29):
Uh, mid three hundreds, oh so,yeah, so low, yeah so, and I was
only 30, um, when I started,which is usually about the age
that people start noticing, youknow, declining testosterone.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Um, I would imagine like business kids sleep, sleep,
all that stuff, all the stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, so there's actually studies that show it's
a biological response.
When you have infants in thehouse, men's testosterone
decreases to make them bettercaretakers.
Yeah, better, not good.
Yeah, as best as maybe could beallowed, exactly so yeah, so I
did the testosterone for alittle bit and then added in the
growth hormone releasingpeptide.
(10:09):
I had done some BPC and TB500,which is another kind of
Wolverine peptide, if you willafter a shoulder surgery.
So I tried those on a fewdifferent occasions, had great
success with those, but added inthe peptide, Been doing that
for a couple of years and thenthe last eight months started
doing NAD.
Are you familiar with that?
(10:29):
Yeah, a little bit, but tell memore.
So NAD is basic biology, right?
We have the mitochondria, right?
That's the powerhouse of thecell.
Thinking back to 10th gradebiology, whatever that was and
uh, nad is the fuel for themitochondria.
So mitochondria takes nad, umand then from that creates atp,
(10:49):
adrenaline, triphosphate, whichenergizes the cells.
This happening in every cellinside your body.
So every cell is gettingenergized.
For me it's, it's I don't need,you know, three energy drinks
throughout the day.
It's like I do my coffee orenergy drink in the morning,
afternoon, right now, right nowit'll be 1.30, 2 o'clock, I'm
still rolling, feeling good.
Brain's functioning Enhancesneurological function as well.
(11:10):
Neuroplasticity I like thatcomponent the best.
But it also has an anti-agingcomponent.
So in studies they did on labrats, it shows there's a 5%
increase in lifespan, which ispretty cool For humans if you
take it over the course of theirentire you know, entire life.
That's, you know.
Call it four years additional.
You're getting Um.
But again, the goal is not tolike I don't want to extend my
(11:30):
life an extra four years from,you know 95 to 99, when I'm in a
wheelchair and drinking out ofa straw, eating out of a straw
or quality life.
Yeah, it's like I want toextend how I'm feeling today,
better, longer.
I want to, yeah, extend thehealth span.
Um, so I'm doing the nad andthen some of the more recent
testing since I've been on.
(11:51):
Last time um found out I havetwo genetic precursors for
alzheimer's dementia.
Okay, um, and I did thebiological age test.
So I'm 39, my biological agecame back at 64 and I was was
like that is a big, big concern.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So there's-.
And when you say body like, youmean just for cognition, like
brain or like the whole body, sobiological which organs?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah.
So biological age test is doneeither via blood or saliva
because it's genetic and it'sbased on telomere length.
Without getting too much intothe science, as you age,
telomeres get shorter and onceyou run out of telomere on the
strands of your dna, the cellcan no longer replicate and
cells start dying.
That's how you have organfailure, etc.
Etc.
So telomere length, orbiological age is directly
(12:39):
correlated with age-relateddiseases.
So alzheimer's, dementia, heartattack, stroke, etc.
Etc.
Et cetera, et cetera, thingsalong those lines and cancer.
So from the combination on thefunctional DNA test of realizing
that I have two geneticpredispositions for Alzheimer's
dementia, and on the biologicalage test, I'm genetically older,
I'm at a much higher risk fordeveloping Alzheimer's and
(13:02):
dementia.
So from there, yeah, so fromthere.
My grandmother had Alzheimer'sdementia, saw it firsthand,
declined rapidly in her sixtieswas awful.
I'm like that's the last thingI ever want to deal with.
So on the functional DNA side,it gives you a bunch of
recommendations from dietsupplements, lifestyle changes
you can make, and then on thebiological age, which we can
(13:23):
talk about a little more, ourregenerative medicine doctor, dr
Carter, told me exosome therapyvia IV is kind of the route
that you need to go to startreversing this or slowing this
down.
Now, the biological age is coolbecause it's like an
accumulation of everything frombirth until today, from
(13:44):
environmental toxins.
So if you have environmentalexposures, you grow up next to a
factory, right what you'reputting in your body, so food,
drugs, alcohol, et cetera.
And then stress is a bigcomponent of that as well.
So I eat pretty well, Iexercise regularly, I don't
think there's any crazyenvironmental you know toxins
(14:05):
we're exposed to here in SouthFlorida.
But my stress is through theroof and I'm like I think that's
kind of the main culprit there.
So really doing some things towork on bringing my stress
levels down but then introducingthe exosome therapy at the same
time.
Really I'm hoping it's going tohelp with that.
I'm getting ready to retest andsee where my biological age is.
(14:26):
I don't see it Expect to see adrastic change.
Right, at least we're in theright direction.
But yeah, every year I want totest it.
I'm hoping that like it'llcreep, creep down a little bit
by, a little bit.
And when was the test the first?
I took it in September.
Okay, august.
Yeah, all right.
So I think I had taken it lasttime I was on the show.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I just hadn't gotten the results back, got it?
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree,like I think.
I mean stress plays a hugestress anxiety, from what I've
been told from experts, hugeimpact on longevity, health
system, functionality, organfunction.
Yeah, what are you doing forstress relief?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
A lot of stuff.
I mean exercise, of course,trying to make a little bit more
time for myself that'ssomething you know again, young
kids business like it's, it'shard to find that.
I mean my really only time formyself, um, until recently was
just the gym, you know, andthat's that was three times a
week.
Maybe not as much as I wouldlike it to be.
Even so, just trying to do somestuff to make time for myself.
(15:23):
I started microdosingpsilocybin as well, which is
really cool.
What's that?
Mushrooms?
Oh, okay, yeah, so it's a.
It's a psychedelic.
I'm not like seeing anythingfrom it, Right, but it's, it's a
microdose.
Great studies on reduction ofstress, anxiety, depression,
yeah, and that has helped a ton.
I've heard a lot of good thingsabout microdosing.
(15:50):
Yeah, Microdosing everything,right, it's like that's the way
to do it, it seems, instead ofthese, these big doses.
But, um, yeah, I've been doingthat for about a year.
Um, marked improvement in injust how I'm feeling my stress
levels.
Um, seem to just be a littlemore present, able to kind of
roll and deal with things asthey pop up instead of it.
You know, sometimes it getsoverwhelming.
It's almost uh, what's the wordI'm looking for?
Yeah, it's almost like freezesyou.
(16:12):
Yeah Right, You're just likestuck, You're like so I'm so
overwhelmed, I just don't knowwhat to do at this point, Um,
and so that's.
That's been really helpful onthat front.
So those couple of things, um,I think I feel better, right,
which is good.
So we'll see if the next bioage test, if it uh, different
(16:37):
avenues Interesting.
What do you do for stress?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
reduction.
Well, good question, uh, causeI'm, I'm same boat, you know
like I mean.
I mean, I know I want to shoutout to my wife cause she's at
home with the kids, you know,all day, every day.
Um, so she's got a lot on herplate cause I have a five every
day.
Um, so she's got a lot on herplate cause I have a five.
Uh, she's going to be five inJuly.
My daughter, my son, is turningthree next week and then we have
(17:00):
a four month old.
He'll be five months and fourdays, so just about five month
old.
Yeah, so we're grinding rightnow.
The baby's up, you know, atleast three times a night, yep,
and then he's usually in bedwith us at some point to just
calm down.
So my wife's like I just sleepand I was like totally
understandable, yeah, if one ofthe bigger kids gets up, I
usually go with, I try to getthem.
Sure, my son got up last nightand, uh, he came into our room,
(17:23):
you know, and I was like I gotup to help.
He's like, no, I want, mommy,like I'm sorry, I don't know
what, you would just be man.
So I don't know, you know, buthe was like really screaming, so
I want.
My wife got up and was likemommy, you know.
So she did it.
I'm like man, I want to help.
Anyway, to answer your questionfor that little background.
We're in the, we're grindingright now.
Um, I'm in the same boat, youknow.
(17:45):
I work out.
I try to work out four days aweek is my goal, right, and
usually right now it's like ifsomebody cancels on my day I'm
working, working out, phonecalls will be, later Emails.
I'll get them later Lunchtime orwhen I get home or something.
It's not going to be the end ofthe world, but I'd rather work
out.
I had a mentor tell me that onetime he's like your to-do list
is always going to be super long, it's never ending, it's not
(18:07):
going to go away but, what'smore important, it end of the
day.
All right, I can knock outthese 10 tasks that I know it's
going to last 45 minutes.
It's going to be 45 minutes,maybe an hour, hour and a half
where it's like, oh, where'd thetime go?
Now I got to go home or justwork out right away.
Just don't even think about it.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
What was your mentor's like philosophy there?
I'm curious about that.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, it's the pattern.
It's the pattern development ofworking out versus finishing
the email.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And if you do establish a routine of working
out and consistency, that'swhat's going to last more
impactfully for you later inlife, if you just consistently
exercise and do something thatyou know is going to be
beneficial for you.
So at the end of the day, I'mlike did I have a productive?
My wife's like how was your day?
And I was like it wasproductive.
What equates product like itwas a productive?
(19:00):
My wife's like how was your day?
And I was like it wasproductive.
What equates product Like itwas a productive day?
Usually it's if I did somethingmeaningful to move the needle
and I worked out those twothings.
That's the equation.
So if I don't work out and I'mlike well, I knocked out some
emails and like busy work stuff,it's like that could have
waited.
I feel worse.
I think it was just like guiltin, like I could have done
something different.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
You know that's such a great um.
That's such a great thing tothink about, especially as, like
a business owner, you know, andit's like we can feel so busy
all the time yeah, what thingsare we actually doing that are
really productive?
Moving, the needle moving theneedle because there's so much.
I mean I don't know how.
I know you're very involved dayto day in your business, but I
don't know how much you'reactually like in there working
(19:35):
on people.
I know you have a team and soit's like.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
A lot different now than it was a couple months ago.
That's awesome, like what itmeans.
Like I'm, I'm seeing a lot more, so you're seeing Treating more
people Is that a good thing.
Yeah, well, I mean, I enjoy it,you know, um, and it's not
slowing down, which is a goodthing, it's a good problem to
have.
But then I'm like all right,but then what about my other,
(20:02):
you know other goals?
Uh, there was a point where Iwas seeing uh, that was every
day 6am to 4pm.
I was like 4pm, hard stop.
People are like can I see youat four, four, 30?
I'm like no, I gotta go home.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I'm going to be yeah, let me hold my kids, you know,
my wife.
So it was a hard stop, but Iwould see people from six to
four with like an hour between,so like nine people a day and
then, uh, if somebody canceledthey'd be like priority working
out.
Yeah, I'm gonna send emailslater, do I'll do another time,
but like I have to work out, butanyway for that goal, I was
like, if that that's what's tobe more important, if I set a
routine and a consistencyexpectation to like exercise
yeah that's going to stick withme longer and be more of a
benefit for my health.
So, anyway, that being said, toanswer your question, what do I
do for stress exercise?
I try to get in four days aweek, if I can, um, and then, uh
(20:44):
, I like podcasts a lot yeah Iagree with you that, like when
things pop up, there's always ahuge to-do list, if you're not
an entrepreneur or a businessowner, but you're just a mom or
a dad and you have all thesegoals and things you want to do,
like to-do lists never stop.
And they'll overwhelm you.
So I'm like, all right, I can'tlet the urgent crowd, the
significant, what's actuallygoing to move the needle than I
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prioritize.
But I like podcasts, especiallyentrepreneurial podcasts, like
I'll throw a mosey a lot.
I'm a mosey guy, for sure.
It just helps with clarity.
I'm a mosey guy for sure.
It just helps with clarity,sure.
So the clarity helps me not beoverwhelmed.
So I have a clear path of likethis is what, this is the game
plan, this is the action steps,this is more important.
That's not that important yetCool.
So I'm going to focus on that.
And then I'm going to exercise.
So at least the clarity and I'mknocking things out that are
(21:33):
significant and then exerciseand then that's pretty much it.
Because right now I go home.
As soon as I get home I'm justlike fully invested with family
time and then getting ready fordinner and then bedtime routine,
then clean up afterwards, thenI get a shower, I say hi to my
wife, and then I go to bed andthen get up at 4.45 and do it
all over.
So, yeah, that's unfortunatelyright now.
(21:55):
That is it, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, that's.
That's about all you cansqueeze in.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I do enjoy, um, or I think another benefit that I is
helpful with stress is my ownanecdotal opinions.
Right, um, meditation has beenhelpful and just reflection.
And then, if I read um,something I liked a lot was
getting diving into stoicism andfamiliar with stoicism.
So, ryan holidays, he's a coolauthor, that he's a young guy
(22:20):
too, I think it's like earlyforties, you know like 42, 40,
but anyway he's wrote in a lotof cool stuff.
Um, I just liked the philosophystuff that he brings to the
table on.
It's like some light readingrunning over some ancient
philosophy of like the oldStoics, you know, you know, do
it at night, I'll put you tosleep, yes, exactly.
Of like seneca and um epictetus, um marcus aurelius, those guys
(22:43):
, but anyway, it just reallyputs things in perspective.
And then also clarity, yeah,where, um, nobody, nobody can
actually bother you unless youallow them to bother you.
Yeah, I'm like, oh, that makessense.
Like people, people only pushyour buttons if you show them
your buttons and you let thempush your buttons.
Other than that, like it's just, it's on you.
And I was like I like thatbecause I can control the
(23:04):
situation.
Yeah, I have to manage my ownexpectations, my own emotions.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Right, I had a conversation with my son, um,
after a soccer game the otherday and it's, it was a thing I
saw from, uh, alex Hormozy, um,on like, look, the people that
are that are criticizing you ortelling you you can't do it.
They're never the people thatare ahead of you, it's never.
It's never the, themultimillionaire or the person
who's athletically, you know,professional.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Telling the young kid like no, you suck, you can't do
it Right.
Like it's somebody who eithersees you as a threat, right, or
somebody who doesn't want you tosucceed because they're behind
you.
Um, and so it's, yeah, it's,it's got to stay on top of that.
I met it like things.
I've a metaphor that I'm likeimagine if there was somebody
very fit at the gym, justimagining gym la, fitness goals,
(23:49):
like whatever right, andthere's very fit individual.
And then somebody comes in andthey're not confident.
They are clearly haven't reallyexercised a lot, they're
overweight, they don't look good.
Like physique wise, you know,sure could you imagine that very
fit individual walking up andbe like you'll never get fit.
Look at you, you're like you'rea joke, right?
That person would never do that.
(24:11):
No, if that overweight personat the gym were to approach that
very fit individual, was like,hey, can you like help me?
Or like what should I do?
I guarantee you that that fitperson would probably be like oh
my gosh, let me help you.
Well, because this, this andthis I'm like you can totally do
this.
Like because they're ahead ofthem in that fitness game.
They're not going to be likeputting them down, right.
So, anyway, that's the samemetaphor as, like people ahead
(24:33):
of you, aren't going to be theones to be criticizing and
putting it down.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I think it's a lot to do too, because they know what
it took to get there.
Yeah, exactly Like the personthat is incredibly fit.
Like it's not all geneticsright.
Like they put a lot of time andeffort and energy and studying
and researching andunderstanding in to get to the
place that they are.
So when they see somebody youknow starting on that path, it's
like, oh, I remember when I wasthere, but it's not easy.
(24:56):
It's the person that has noidea what they're talking about,
that doesn't have any clue thehumility is not there.
It's not.
They have no idea what it takesto get to that point, and so
they're just like, oh no, youdon't have it Totally.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
But anyway, to answer your question about what do I
do, I would, can you know?
Yeah, I also prioritize.
What I put a value in isgetting enough sleep, where, if
it's 8 30 and it's like, okay,we actually got the kids down
and like the kitchens puttogether and we're showered,
it's like I'm gonna go to bed.
Right, I'm gonna hopefully havea meaningful conversation with
(25:31):
my wife at some point.
So one of you passes outconversation right versus, like
you know, scrolling or watchinga show or something like that.
Yeah, and we don't even havecable right now.
Like we don't watch TV.
Yeah, which is like actually apretty good thing.
Yep, it just eliminates that,you know, just same way as, like
, imagine somebody's battlingwith, like snacking and eating
and stuff or junk food, justlike not having it in the house.
(25:51):
Yeah, just not having cable inthe house.
Like it just kind of eliminatesthat.
That's great for sure.
Scrolling is probably my onemain vice.
Yeah, just like funny videos.
You know it's probably sendingit to my family, my sister, my
brother and stuff.
Like, hey, check this, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, look at this funny video I do the same thing
and I usually like pop on a showor a movie, like late night,
and I know how bad the screentime is before you go to sleep.
Yeah, and I was actually.
Um, I'm like there's somethingin my brain telling me that I
need this and I I don't thinkit's just like I need the
dopamine kick.
I think it's more of like I'mhaving this thought yesterday.
I think it's more of like I'mjust so at such a high level all
(26:28):
day and like it it's second youget home.
It's like wife, kids, like it'sjust more chaos, stuff to do
around the house, like today I'mcleaning out our patio when I
get home, and like it's justthere's always a list of shit to
do.
Yeah, and so I'm like what is itthat my brain is like, why is
my brain craving this?
And so I'm on chat gpt I'm like, all right, here's the
situation.
Like I need you to help meunderstand.
It's a good idea, yeah, and itcranks out it's like no, based
(26:50):
on you know everything.
I know about you and I'm alwaysplugging stuff in trying to
figure myself out.
Um, it's like you your bodyneeds is like screaming for like
a, a break.
Yeah, it's just, it's justmindless like nothing.
That's the 30 minutes.
Yeah, just just to reset.
Yeah, and even if the screentime you know the blue light is
(27:10):
affecting your sleep, it'sprobably better for you
psychologically to get that in,so I'm trying to eliminate it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Like that benefit outweighs the negative of the
blue.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And that's kind of what I was.
I was trying to figure out.
I'm like I'd love to eliminatethis, I'm like, but I also kind
of feel like part of me needsand maybe I can.
I'm sure I can find a better,you know, escape if you will, or
like decompression method atthe end of the day.
Yeah, for sure, but I thoughtit was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I totally agree with you.
Yeah, it's just unwinding.
Yeah, I'm definitely anunwinding guy.
So I was like so say I valuegoing to sleep right away.
I mean, am I perfect?
Of course not.
You know like I definitelyunwind.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, Like, why do we do that?
Why did I'm like?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I know.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I have to have.
All of a sudden it's 11 and I'mstill looking at my phone like
dang it.
Now, I'm going to be tired,tomorrow it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Have you heard of resentment?
Sleep no, revenge.
Sleep, revenge, no.
What is that?
Yeah, it's like revenge andresistance against the next day,
as in like well, f that I'm notgoing to sleep, I want to
unwindwind.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So the person self-sabotages by staying up I I
feel like I've definitely hadlike it's, like it's almost I
would say so much.
For me it's like a revengesleep, but it's more of uh,
apprehension sleep like god,like I gotta get up and like, if
I know I got a busy day, Igotta get up and do it,
especially if it's like theroutine, if it's's something new
, exciting like last night I wasexcited for this right, I'm
(28:37):
like, all right, I got this fun.
You know, get to go dosomething fun today.
Like podcast is fun, right, I'mnot.
It's not just the usual, youknow, day in and day out,
revenge bedtime.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Procrastination Nice, that's what it is.
Revenge bedtime totally do that.
Yeah, because I'm usually moreof a like.
If somebody tells me I can't dosomething, I'm usually the one
like well, I'm gonna do itanyway.
You know kind of person becauseyou're growing up my parents
will probably tell you that whenI was a kid, yeah, but um,
that's totally me for sure.
That's great, but like but.
And what's interesting is like,if it's a friday night and
(29:08):
great situation happens kidswent to bed somewhat compliant,
you know, like, and placescleaned up, dishes are put away
and it's early, I easier to goto bed right away.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Really.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Versus, like, if it's a Monday and that happens, you
would think it'd be the reverse,like, oh, I get to sleep in
Saturday morning, well, and I'llsleep until six 30 instead of
five, you know, interestingWhereas, like Friday night, you
know, I'll be easier to go tobed.
It's because the revengeprogression, uh, bedtime is not
there.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
That's so crazy.
The next day I know I have offyeah, cause, mine's definitely
not, um, cause even like let'ssay, okay, it's the weekend, uh,
maddox, my son has a game at 10.
So we got to be there at nine,so we got to leave it eight 30,
get up by seven 30.
I'm like, okay, if I go to bedby midnight, I'm still great.
Yeah, I can sleep in half hoursSeven and a half hours, great
oh.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I do that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
All of a sudden it's one in the morning and I'm like,
still pushing it on theweekends.
I'm like, no, I want to bethere for my kids tomorrow.
I want to be present.
I don't want to be tired.
You know, it's like, it's just,it's a problem.
I totally, and I wish I had not, almost not done it.
Thinking about this,diagnostics, the whoop band,
(30:17):
yeah, or like the aura ring orwhatever you don't wear one, I
used to, I don't I realized,like if I would check it every
morning Now, mind you, it didhelp me get to sleep better, how
?
So, just to be conscious of it,okay, like, all right, I'm
going to get my score in themorning, my sleep score.
I need to make sure I'm in bedon time, make sure my whoop is
happy with me.
Exactly, yeah, my, my, uhdigital overlord here.
(30:39):
Um, but I would wake up at if itwas like, for whatever reason,
I didn't have a good night'ssleep.
So, like, psychologically, Iwas like in the dumps all day,
(31:01):
like, oh, I didn't have a goodnight.
The point where it's like, allright, I just I can't pay
attention to this anymore, likeI need to just wake up and,
regardless how I'm feeling, getafter it.
Yeah, yeah, um, but then abuddy, or some buddy of mine,
sent me research and it's like Iguess you have these like 45
minute increments, that you'relike REM sleep versus light
sleep and if you wake up during,like whatever time, your alarm
goes off during that REM or deepsleep period.
It's like when you wake upfeeling super groggy, you're
just the lights never fully comeon all day.
(31:21):
And so now it's like I'm tryingto gamify, like all right, how
do I get exactly, you know,seven and a half hours of sleep,
Like that's my sweet spot.
So if I get 645, I'm in theother cycle and now I'm tired
all day.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
So it's yeah for sure , yeah, it's like I know exactly
what you're talking about.
So, yes, uh, I just feel likebrian, this guy named brian
johnson, yeah, okay, yeah,though, he went, don't die.
Yeah, philosophy, whatever.
Um, I appreciate what he'sdoing.
I'm not gonna do that, I wouldnever do that.
And I'm like I wonder how muchof his of like study, when you
say that, what do you mean?
(31:53):
All right, so studying um thewhoop sleep scores, studying his
biological age of every organ,um, and like, what's my score
today?
What did I sleep today?
I wonder if that I don't want tosay neuroticism, but just
attention all right is actuallytaking years off his life just
with the stress and anxietyinvolved with just oh, it's my
score.
I don't know what he is likepersonally, you know, but I just
(32:16):
wonder if that's adding alittle bit shaving off years,
which is counteracting what he'strying to do in the first place
.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Oh, I got to think.
So I mean the, the, the, thestudies that show how stress,
regardless of where it's comingfrom, how it impacts your aging
and impacts just your, yourlongevity is it has a terrible
impact on it.
So you mentioned Brian Johnson,like he's like, very well known
in the longevity space.
Of course that's his wholeshtick.
Um made all his money selling,you know, sell off technology
(32:41):
company.
He spends supposedly about $2million a year on all this
anti-aging stuff and so he isknown to have the lowest pace of
aging, which is part of thebiological age test, um, in the
world, which shows, like thebiological age again, is your
entire accumulation of birthtill now.
But the pace of aging is justhow are we doing today?
(33:02):
Like are we?
One would be average, 1.2 wouldbe we're aging, you know, 20%
faster.
0.8 would be we're aging 20%slower.
So his is 0.6, which means he'saging about, I think, one year
every 19, 19 months was, I think, what?
The 20 months, whatever thenumber is.
And so he spends all this moneyon it.
(33:23):
And we brought in I can'tdisclose her name, but a woman
from Palm beach, um, who is aninfluencer to the fountain, did
the biological age test for free, wanted her to talk about it,
promote it to the fountain.
Did the biological age test forfree?
Wanted her to talk about it,promote it.
She's in her late twenties anddoesn't spend any money on
(33:45):
anti-aging or anything and herpace of aging was 0.61.
Wow, and I was like so she'slived a great lifestyle, right,
relatively stress-free fromwe're kind of talking about it
afterwards.
I was like this is incrediblethat your score is this low,
like what it's like you know,tell me about your life.
And she's like you know, it'sgreat, everything's good.
Like you can just tell she wasjust like so at peace and so
happy.
I'm like so that that has a lotto do with it too.
(34:06):
You know, and she's I meanagainson, she's doing age
specific or, uh, longevityspecific to enhance her, uh, her
biological age.
But it's pretty crazy that,like without doing any of that,
she still is the same pace.
This guy's spending two milliondollars a year on that's crazy.
(34:27):
He's older, so as you get older, your pace of aging does
increase.
He's like late 40s, right?
Yeah, I think so.
I can't tell he looks like analien he looks like a little bit
.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
But I appreciate, like I said, like what I want,
I'm like what I would want toget out of it.
I would say, just tell me whatyou're finding in your research
and then we'll just apply it.
Yeah, exactly cool, you do it.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
You show me I'll, I'll just apply it you know well
, I think that's where it's allgoing is the data yeah, right, I
think it's super interestingand I can appreciate what he
like with the sleep schedule.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
You know, because he when he when I was the podcast,
I was into that he was and Idove a little bit more in some
articles and stuff about him.
But uh, he, his schedule is 830 bed and he wakes up at 4 30
and then he works out for anhour a day and his last meal for
the day is 11 am really that'swhat he said.
Wow, yeah, so he eats from likeI think he exercises before, he
(35:17):
works, before he eats, and hishe eats like berries and nuts
and yogurt or something likethat, and that's it I wonder
what his caloric intake is in aday, right, right I'm not sure.
Yeah, but he doesn't deviatefrom the plan ever like he's's
super disciplined.
Doesn't have chocolate, nocandy cake.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's something else that's coming up.
No, alcohol, that's coming up.
A lot is, uh, one, just total,and obviously America has an
obesity epidemic and a very bigproblem to deal with.
But even outside of that, likethe total caloric intake,
there's a lot of stuff comingout that's saying even like 2000
calories a day.
(35:58):
Now, maybe for somebody youknow your size or my size it's
more appropriate, but for theaverage size person they're
showing that it's like you don'treally need that many calories
to thrive and survive.
And on top of that right thequality of food and all the
inflammation and all the otherstuff that's going on.
(36:18):
It's like that's lending, youknow, to all these different
age-related diseases.
Right, 60% of the disease comesfrom inflammation.
Most chronic inflammation comesfrom food.
It's like why don't we trace itback to the source and start
fixing this?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, yeah, I've heard the same thing.
I'm like what do you do, though?
Because there's microplasticsfound in all the food, just from
the packaging.
Inflammation, there's heavymetals involved with just where
the farm is located, if there'sa factory or whatever, or an oil
spill somewhere in the oceanand then neighboring that like a
ocean side, like in Piney orPalm Beach, as an example and
(36:54):
then just things, foodsensitivities.
You know that people are justnaturally sensitive, they don't
really know otherwise.
But like, how can we control?
Like we'll never be able to fixall that unless we have our own
gardens and our own farms withchickens and like our own cows
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
So there's some cool stuff along those lines that
we're doing.
That kind of helps with that.
Um on the back end, rightchelation therapy, um pulls
heavy metals out of your blood,um, so it's like an iv or what
is it?
So it's an iv, yeah, andthere's uh, edta and I forget
what the acronym stands for isthe medication that goes into
the IV and then it effectivelyacts like a magnet, so it pulls
(37:31):
all the heavy metals out of yourbloodstream into your digestive
tract and you urinate them out,which is cool.
So that helps to remove heavymetals.
And then, of course, frominflammation standpoint exosome
therapy, but also ozone therapy,right for killing parasites and
other stuff in your bloodstream, which is again where they're
(37:51):
starting to speculate, orthey've already.
You know some studies areshowing this, like how the
cancers come from and thingslike that.
So it's free.
From undetected parasitesMm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Interesting.
Yeah it's wild practitioners inthe area that have been doing
ozone therapy for a while.
Um for other, from myunderstanding, other rationales,
but to rid parasites is whatyou're saying yes, that's part
of.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
That's one of the applications.
Yeah, there's a ton of them.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
What, um, what stuff were they doing it for for me,
from what you remember, I thinkjust healing in general, like if
somebody has like a, like aknee arthritic, degenerative
changes, or just knee hurts,their shoulder hurts their neck
hurts the back, whatever, but,um, I have to go back and look,
I should know this because of,yeah, dang it, I feel bad.
That's all right, if youremember, if you're listening,
don't let me remind me um.
(38:36):
But uh, what I was going to saytoo is, um, this is so.
It's about america, obesityepidemic.
Right, just made me think aboutthis.
There was this study I cameacross.
You're familiar with, theuniverse 25 study.
No, all right.
So, uh, it's this study on mice.
I have the article, I can pullit up, but it's a study they did
(38:57):
on mice.
These scientists from, I mean,the 70s, um, and it's ethics now
probably wouldn't allow them todo these studies sure, but
anyway.
They created these differentworlds for 25 different
situations over the period of along time.
They did these studies for along time and um put a bunch of
like a handful of mice in at theend of this.
(39:19):
That's 25th universe theycreated.
For these.
Mice was the utopia absolute,like garden of eden.
Mice was the utopia, absolutelyLike garden of Eden plenty of
food, no threats, temperatureregulated, plenty of water,
plenty of space for people, forthe, for the people, for mice to
roam around and stuff.
Um, and over the period of sevenyears, um, the mice rapidly
(39:42):
populated and got to a pointwhere it's because they had all
the food they needed and socialhierarchies kind of started to
develop.
And then abnormal behaviorsstarted to develop.
Socially right, like abnormalbehaviors, things you wouldn't
think otherwise, like everybody,just chill, just do your own
(40:03):
thing.
Like keep your space, space,like we're good, like let's not
rock the boat, right?
That wasn't happening.
So they ran the st like thisstudy, um, and they ended up
crowding spaces.
The males that ended up notcaring, just did they just like
kind of exited and they werekind of loners.
And then there was other onesthat were super hyper aggressive
, that would be fighting andkilling off other mice, um, the
(40:25):
female mice would startattacking their own young, and
this isn't like they didn't evenreach a population density
standpoint of like overcrowding.
There was still plenty of space.
But they populated, they grew,there was periods of growth and
prosperity and then they starteddeveloping into like these
hierarchy and abnormal socialbehaviors and stuff.
Still plenty of food, plenty ofwater, plenty of great
(40:45):
temperature, like everything'stotally fine and the spaces
they're not crowded.
Population started declininglike, uh, the repopulation,
reproduction rates declineduntil it became stagnant and
then, as an example, like thefemale mice started attacking
their own young, um, startedkilling males, were attacking
each other, um, and then thepopulation declined even further
(41:06):
.
Like, the reproduction ratedeclined even further until it
came to a zero where nobody waseven reproducing anymore.
Yeah, eventually, and there wasa peak population where it was
still within a third of theamount of mice that could have
been in the space, yeah, and itdeclined and it kept declining
until the end where they stoppedreproducing and they killed
each other off and all the micedied no way yeah I have the
(41:29):
article, I can send you rightnow it's kind of uh sounds very
familiar to what's going on,right now Right.
So the bottom line that they'resaying is it was just too
comfortable.
Yeah, think there has to bestruggle has to be, there has to
be um challenge, otherwise youjust get too comfortable and you
create your own drama.
Oh yeah, and then abnormal,abnormal social behavior starts
(41:52):
happening, and a classic signfrom that they're describing is
abnormal social behaviorwhatever you want to define that
, as I'm not going to getpolitical um and then, uh, um,
declining reproductive rates.
That's.
Those are the two classic signs.
So I'm like all right, well, ifwe go to the grocery store
right now, there's plenty oflike, we have unlimited sources
(42:12):
of food.
Anyway, the bottom line being,it's just they just got too
comfortable.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, and you think about, you know, the evolution
of our society, right?
It's a lot more comfortabletoday than it was, you, you know
, even a few hundred years ago,and it's uh, it's almost like if
you, if you don't havesomething to struggle with, like
, what are you focusing on,right?
Like, make make stuff up inyour head of like, hey, this is
(42:39):
important, I'm gonna, I'm gonnastress out about this or turn
this into an ordeal, instead offocusing on something you know
worthwhile all right.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
So it was um john b calhoun in the in the late 1960s
and early 70s in the nationalinstitute of mental health.
Yeah, that's, that was the.
They wanted to create a utopianhabitat for mice, mimicking
like a garden of eden, withunlimited food, water, nesting
materials, and then just wantedto observe the population
dynamics and behavioral changes.
This was the 25th universe theycreated for these mice.
(43:07):
The other ones, I think onethrough 24, were different
situations, but this one waslike Less than ideal.
I think so yeah, but anyway,yeah, crazy.
They declined and by day 920,there were no survivors.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, so two and a half years.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, 365, yeah, yeah , 365.
Yeah, that's wild, almost threeyears.
Yeah, the population peaked at2200.
Mice Aggression increased, somemales withdrew, they were
termed the beautiful ones andthey stopped defending
territories and just like theyreally didn't care, they just
had apathy, they really you know.
And then females would neglector attack their young and then,
(43:46):
uh, starting at day 56, 561 andonward, the birth weights
plummeted and infant mortalityreached 100.
Wow, yeah, isn't?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
that crazy is that?
Is that all the like the mom'skilling them off, or is that?
Speaker 1 (43:58):
is there other neglect and killing them off,
jesus, like this would neglectthem, god I don't know.
Um yeah, cannibalism, um yeah,isolation.
And then the populationdeclined to extinction at 920
day 920, with no survivors by1973 and what's your typical
(44:19):
mouse lifespan?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
yeah right, exactly like.
It seems like a very shortamount of mouse itself should
last.
Yeah, like one would last acouple years.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Right right, I Right it'd have to.
Anyway, that just made me thinkabout what you said about, you
know, obesity epidemic ingeneral.
Yeah, I'm like let's rethinkthis.
What is it that?
You actually really sorry me?
We, a person, what do weactually really want?
You know, have no stress, noproblems.
Unlimited resources of food andwater.
No problems, unlimitedresources of food and water.
(44:49):
I don't know what that yieldlike the best situation for
human life.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
According to that, if we correlate that with people,
I don't know I think it'sfiltering through like what's
what's, what's the importantstressors, like what are the
things worth stressing about?
Right, because we live in thislike our society's, so like
hyper, there's so much beingcrammed down our throats at all
the time.
Right, it's like what isactually worth stressing about
Right, and for me that that somost people right over time,
(45:15):
that scope continues to narrowand narrow and, like now, it's
like, uh, the family first andforemost, making sure that
they're good, and the businessand everything else, is kind of
like I, I don't care.
We had, we had a pretty toughprofessional situation which I
won't go into detail on over thelast, you know, year or so, and
(45:37):
we were talking about differentthings and I'm like you know
this, this, you may talk to mywife about it.
I'm like you may feeldifferently about me for saying
this, but I really don't care,not, not to her.
And I'm like I feel differentlyabout me for saying this, but I
really don't care, not not tohurt.
I'm like I'm empathetic, youknow, to you into the situation,
but like to your the impactit's having on us, but me
personally caring about theoutcome of this, it, it doesn't
(45:59):
matter.
Yeah, it really doesn't?
Um, and that was liberating forus both.
Actually, I think it was kind oflike a cool thing where we're
like, okay, this is somethingthat we had so much stress and
anxiety around for a long time,and we finally both got to the
place where, like, we can stressabout it or we can let it be
and it'll figure itself out oneway or another.
But either way, regardless ofthe outcome, we're going to be
fine.
Yeah, like we'd like oneoutcome more than the other, but
(46:27):
if it doesn't work work outthat way, then we're okay.
Yeah, we got the importantstuff families here, healthy,
right, you know all the positivestuff and and the fountain and
encore is great.
So, yeah, let's focus there.
Yeah, that's all I love that.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
I would agree.
Yeah, um, all right, I gottaget going.
I gotta have the patient comingin.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, man, but thanks for coming in, appreciate
having me um share again whereyou guys are located and what's
the best way to reach out to youguys yeah, um, if you want to
hit us on Instagram, um, at thefountain WPB, as in West Palm
beach, we're located right overthere, okeechobee and 95 in the
uh Nick's diner, bolle StarbucksPlaza.
Um, good emails too.
Hello at the fountain WPBcom.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Hello at the fountain WP Cool, awesome man.
Well, thank you for coming inand if you have any questions
for us, we're always open toquestions, comments, concerns,
conflicting opinions, whatever,and if you want to be a guest or
know someone that may be a coolguest, feel free to reach out.
And if you're battling painyourself, definitely don't
hesitate to reach out.
We can at least chat on thephone and see what you have
going on and how we might beable to help you, and we'll
catch you all next time.
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