February 17, 2024 • 46 mins
This episode we talk about Paul’s trip to the US, along with all the charging issues he had with a rental Rivian.
We also chat about the last petrol Audi RS6, BMW's canned i16 and Paul reports back on driving the new 2024 Lexus GX!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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like the theme music's rolling? Do you want to kind of.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to the program, the problem program? What's that program?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Go grab?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
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Welcome to the show? Jesus Christ, this is why you
don't do it? How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Great, so much better now.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah, I'm sure this banana bread's going down to treat.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, thank you for buying that for me. That's all right,
thanks to the left. That's the first sweet thing I've
had for a few weeks.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
In your mouth to life, that's a lie. Shit's been hectic,
hasn't it. At the start of the year. I've got love.
I feel like I'm so boring because I've been so busy,
yet I'm just so bored at the same time. Yeah,
there's just nothing, nothing great. That's a lot of exciting
stuff coming up.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, well, that's the feedback I get from people who
listen to your radio.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Shit, that's the feedback I get from your wife. You're
that you're very boring. She's like, he whispers, engineering things
in the throes of passion.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's okay. Do you want a square roon?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You just whispers the weirdest inane thing. How good is
the miracle of flight? China the Chinese Chicken? What nothing?
It's a song by smash Mouth. You just come back
from the world's newest third world country, Los Angeles. That
is so true. What a hole? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
For how woke California is?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It is?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It is a grim place at the moment.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
So I was over there and we'll chat about this
shortly in the States to talk to drive the new
Lexus GX. But after that drive, I went to Los
Angeles to film some extra content. And while Arizona, where
we went for GX, is absolutely stunning, amazing, and you know,
it's just cool.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's just a cool spot.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Los Angeles has really just descended into San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
My goodness, that is a joint you did not want
to go near.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So it's the mecca for the holy homeless.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, but just very quickly.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It is sad what it has become because not only
is it very expensive, and that is just for a
US resident. It is very very expensive if you're going
there as an Australian because that dollar sucks. But if
you're over there and you don't have a job or
you don't really own much money. I just don't understand
how anyone's surviving. And you can see why there are
so many homeless people, but they just keep jacking the cost.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Of everything up.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
They're pushing everyone into these expensive evs like it is
just a bit of a disaster.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So Webby, what always sort of like throws me is
in different states in America, there's different tax laws and
different healthcare systems as well. So if you live in Texas,
for instance, you kind of can get a better deal
on things like medical and tax benefits and stuff like
that where he's in La Oh Jesus.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
But it's even down to stuff like fuel.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
So in Phoenix, we were staying just outside Phoenix, fuel
was like two dollars eighty US a gallon. In Los
Angeles it was closer to five dollars a gallon. So
I just I really don't understand how you can have
such a discrepancy when this joint is, you know, one
thousand kilometers away here at least you know it is
(03:26):
similar in terms of fuel. It's not going to be
dollars of difference. So yeah, I just think it's it's
a bit of a broken country at the moment, So
I'll be interested to see how they fix all of that.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But yeah, it's not not a good situation.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I've been divided for a long time too, and I
don't think it hasn't gotten better at all. Despite whether
you're a Trump guy, whether you're a who's the sleepy
old man, the demension guy Joe Biden, whether you're a
Biden guy, I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Waiting for that guy.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
It's just like die mid press conference.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
He genuinely has no idea where he is.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
They got him the other day because this is two
into a politics podcast, but I watched a feverit and
news while I was over there. They got him for
hoarding classified documents, which is exactly what they got Trump for,
and one of the people that was investigating said something
along the lines of.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
He's a well meaning elderly man with a bad memory.
And I'm like, you've just said that about your president,
and one of the guys in the way are Yeah,
I just craped my pants.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Anyway.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
So yeah, we'll talk more about the LEXUSJX shortly, and
I might even I'll touch on it now. Just some
of the stuff that we did outside of the GX
launch in Los Angeles. We drove the Twitter rad Fall Prime,
which is fantastic. So that's basically the rad Fall that
we get, but it's a plug in hybrid and it
does zero to one hundred and under six seconds.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
She is phenomenal, tchnique.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Really efficient, very easy to manage and drive. We also
drove the Keya Tell You Ride the x Pro, which
is the off road version on All Terrains.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Almost got shot by a lady.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Well.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I just presumed I was where it was going to
escalate that this was American American dotter pretty much.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
She came and started yelling at us for using the
filming on this land that she claimed private America.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Get on my land, Hey, stop pouring the kids shoes.
But I asked her, so whose land is it?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Just because I'll go ask permission if it's not okay,
because I was genuinely like, well, I don't want to
film here if it's someone land and she goes, I
think it's the guy up there, and I said ok
I said do you have permission to be here?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Because she was walking her dogs on it.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
And she's like yeah, And I'm like, but you don't
know who owns the land. So I was like, all right, cool, Like,
you just look like you probably hit the pipe fairly frequently,
so I'm just going to get out of here before
you come back and shoot me.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I would have asked for a sweet deal.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
But yeah, So I did that and also drove a
rivianah yeah, yeah, yeah to the suv and that ended
up being an absolute disaster. When it came to charging
as part of the review, I thought, let's just shoot
a bit of content on what it's like to charge
a car in a state like California that is fully
into EVS and outside of Norway is one of the
(06:09):
more progressive sort of electric feed They kind.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Of led the way with that sort of stuff. They
really championed it.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
And I genuinely thought it was just going to be
like a five minute video and everything was going to
be great. It ended up being an absolute saga. It
took us so long to actually charge this car, as in,
find a charger that wasn't that didn't have a queue
of ten fifteen cars.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, it was incredible watching that footage, unbelievable. I was
blown away.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
So yeah, I'll have a video on that. Will chat
about that in a bit more detail later.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
All Right, We thought we should talk about emissions laws.
Do you want to start with that? Do you want
to talk about emissions laws? Because they're sort of coming
up and a few things have been and now it's
now I'm going to go through my dumbass kind of
understanding of this and then you can throw me over
the coals and just tell me where I'm kind of right,
because basically all wrong, Yeah, all right, all wrong, very
much wrong. So Paul wanted to bring up emissions standards,
(06:58):
and so I thought to myself, here we go. He's
going to have like a little Pavais moment of I'm
going to have an editorial. From what I can understand
is you lower emissions, you lower the carbon footprint. Right now,
Europe has been, I guess, leading the way on this.
They kind of change the game when it comes to
emissions full stop. And that includes the current industry. So
(07:19):
the difference between Europe and Australia is Europe is very
much mandated by laws. Australia is, well, we have these
things called voluntary emissions targets. Now, from what I can
get is we're not really accountable to even hit these
targets at all. And I think in the last three years,
we haven't. I think it's gotten worse. So we sell
(07:42):
heaps of view, heaps of four wheel drives. The one
thing I will say is when it comes to what
causes high emissions, so Australia has really dirty fuel on
the world market, on the world sort of scheme of
it all, we've got dirty fuel which they're fixing. Well, yes,
that's kind of part of this whole thing. So we
love our utes, we love our four wheel drives, and
(08:03):
so this is going to make it tougher when it
comes to new laws coming into force. What exactly was
announced this week, I'm a bit confused at So all
new cars, SUVs, light commercial vehicles, basically anything that's introduced
in Australia in September next year, so that's twenty twenty
five has to go by the new Euro six D standard.
(08:26):
Previous existing models will have to hit that by twenty
twenty eight. And that's to comply. Half the current models
we've got on sale right now are Euro five So
Euro six D is even stricter. Yep. With that, you
don't just consider the type of car, You've got to
consider the type of petrol that's going into it. Now,
this is the weird thing. This is what I couldn't
(08:46):
quite get, which you can get to in a second.
But I know that we're going to be reducing the
amount of sultware in our petrol, and I think this
seems like it's going to be affecting octane ninety five.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
So yeah, basically, and ninety one is the worst defender
at the moment. If you look at ninety one rong
fuel that we have in Australia, it is amongst the
worst in the world for sulfur content, and that is
why a lot of modern engines require ninety five or
ninety eight ROND fuel to run.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
So a lot of European vehicles that are sold in.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Australia have minimums because if you feed at ninety one
it will basically destroy the engine. So yeah, that that
is what they're looking at fixing. And they already fixed diesel.
So the sulfur content in diesel is now sort of
in amongst first world countries, but our unleaded fuel is
amongst the worst in the world, and that's what they're
looking at fixing.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's also the.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
One that they claim will only increase the cost of
fuel by a cent or two cents a lead, which
I just think is absolute nonsense.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It'll be much more than that.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So this is and that includes taking sulfur and stuff
like that at or the rubbish.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So basically what this I feel like, what this is
going to sort of packed is things like youtes heavy
duty kind of commercial vehicles, utes apparently like Niche sports cars.
I don't know what falls under Niche sports cars by
the way, because yeah, anyway, it depends what you go with.
But apparently some budget hashback models as well. Yep, so
(10:20):
that don't really have the Euro six dy variants. That's
sort of a big question will they survive? But yeah,
where am I at with that? Good?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Okay, now just give you one sect of triple checks,
I think. So that's all sort of pretty much there.
Just the sort of nuances of it.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
The way that it will work is manufacturers will have
limits per vehicle that they have to meet. So this
is average CO two emissions per kilometer across their vehicle fleets.
So if you think of let's say Ford for example,
and you've got all of the vehicles that they sell,
basically they're going to say that let's say your limit
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is two hundred grams per kilometer or something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
There's plucking that out of thin air.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
If their average sales mainly rangeer in Everest, which they are,
what they'll need to do is basically figure out what
amount above that average they're contributing to the environment for
the vehicles that they sell, and then they will be
penalized for that.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So would they be inclined to be interested because they
don't really just said they don't really have many evs.
They've got the here in Australia, they've got the Mark three,
the Mustang Mark three. I think they've got like some
sort of a transit van too. Does that mean I
know they're working on like a small EV, but does
that mean they'll be introducing more hybrids and evs?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Well, exactly because logically you don't want to be paying
these fines. But what happens then, and this is what's
happened in Europe as well, car companies like Tesla that
only make electric vehicles will get credits. So what you
can then do is sell your credits to another car company,
so Forward can buy credits from Tesla as they're fine.
And this is how Tesla built its factory in Europe
(12:06):
they basically had Alfa Romeo or the Stalantes group paying
their credits to Tesla. Then Tesla used that money to
create a factory. So that is the sort of gist
of how it's going to work. Now, there are a
number of problems with this though, So.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
One thing I will say is who created that rule?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah, I mean this is what they're doing to try
and get people into cleaner vehicles, which I get it,
it makes sense, but to put it into context, passenger
cars and light commercial vehicles only contribute around ten percent
a little bit more than ten percent of Australia's total emissions.
So they are focusing very heavily on this one industry
(12:45):
and it doesn't seem they're putting much effort into anything else.
So the problem with this is that at the moment,
you really don't have the ability for people to buy
the vehicles that they need to be able to meet
this requirement. Putting this in from twenty twenty five, if
you're a tradee there is not an electric ute. Well
there is an electric ute, but it's rubbish. It's the LDV.
(13:07):
So you're saying to them, okay, well, now you're forcing
a car company to go Okay, well we're going to
increase the price of this car because a car company
isn't just going to take up all those costs. They're
going to pass them on to the.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Consumerw okay, so and they'll use that I mean that
extra cost is credits right.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Well, yeah, I mean they're passing it on.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
There's no way a car company is going to go, okay,
well we'll just absorb the cost of all this and
just continue selling cars. They'll either withdraw a car from
sale if they don't have a better engine, or alternatively,
they will charge more for the car knowing that it's
the only engine they have available. And you, as as
a person in Australia that is buying a car, are
either going to be forced buy an expensive EV which
is what they are at the moment compared to internal combustion.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Cars, or alternatively, you're.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Going to have to pay more for an internal combustion
car that doesn't meet these requirements. Now, the counter to
that is that these car companies sell vehicles like the
Ranger and the high Lux in countries that already have
these requirements. So there are engines they already produce in
other countries that meet these requirements. They will eventually bring
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those two Australia because obviously they don't want.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
To be fine.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
But the extra cost of all of that is going
to get passed on to the consumers. So where they
say here that Australians will save around thousand dollars per
vehicle per year in fuel costs, who's saying that the
government is absolute bullshit. There is no way it is
going to I mean, these engines, yes, they are more efficient,
but they're not going to save your thousand dollars a year.
(14:32):
Then they further go on to claim that the average
new vehicle purchase purchaser in twenty twenty eight claim to
be looking at a saving of five seven hundred and
ten over five years. It is absolute nonsense. There is
no way you are going to be saving that much
more fuel. In addition to that, the extra cost of
the vehicle, which is going to be passed on to
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you as a consumer, is not going to offset the
fuel saving either. So I just think that it's a
great idea. Yes, we need to make the automotive industry greener,
et cetera, et cetera, but at the moment, you don't
have vehicles for sale that are suitable for this if
you have a look at what Australians are buying, which
is utes and SUVs, and if you have a look
(15:13):
in the States as well. I mean their biggest seller
is the fine fifty huge, an enormous vehicle.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
It's weird too because you're looking at I know this
sounds like a really basic thing to say, but I'm
used to it now. When you look at like the
consumption of what Europe are doing and how they're using
their cars, it's a lot different to how we use
our cars. And also what we consider, say a big
family car, to what Europe considers a big family car.
A fucking Volkswagen Golf over there is a family car. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
The issue is they're parroting all this stuff out of
Europe and it has absolutely no relation to what we
do when they go on a road trip over there. Yes,
they might travel longer distances, but you're traveling across built
up areas, and it makes sense that you need to
not be emitting as much through towns and cities across here.
If you're traveling longer distances, you're in the middle of nowhere.
(16:03):
A small vehicle doesn't make any sense. A small vehicle
doesn't toe. A small vehicle doesn't do a lot of
the things that the Australians that need to travel longer
distances are doing. So what you're doing now is penalizing
people who need to travel longer distances. In addition to that,
you then need to have a think about you've got
people that live in the country that is long distance driving,
but then in the cities you've also got people who
(16:24):
live further out because they can't afford to live closer
to the city. So these are people that are going
to be traveling longer distances by virtue it.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
In regional towns the fact that they can't afford it.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
So I just think that these are all and this
is exactly what we've seen in California right where you've
imposed all of these laws made it very hard to
buy the car that people actually want, so they're pushing
everyone into evs.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
And what we witnessed over there.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Which will be in the video that's coming out, the
public charging network is an absolute clusterfuck. We were waiting
hours to get to a charger. When we finally got
to the charger, the charger was either faulty or slow
because they had so many cars using it, and this
is in a country that has incredible ev uptake. And
according to this report from last year, there are over
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one hundred and thirty thousand public charges across the US,
which was a forty percent increase over twenty twenty, so
they are increasing. The private sector has also committed more
than one hundred and twenty billion dollars in domestic EV
and battery investments in the States, and it still isn't
enough at all to cater for the vehicles they're selling
at the moment. And their uptake of EVS is between
ten and twenty percent in new car sales, so you
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can just imagine that when that gets hold over here,
we don't have the infrastructure to support it. If you
don't have charging at home, you have to go and
charge publicly, which is expensive and often doesn't work. So
I understand what they want to do. I just think
it's far too early for Australia. It's not very well
thought out for the cars that people are buying, and
(17:53):
I guarantee this will cost consumers more. There is absolutely
no sugarcoding that this will end up losting more money.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And this is an ev aid by the way, at
all by any means. It's I've always said, like, if
I had sort of a perfect garage and the money,
my daily commuter would probably be an ev It just
makes more sense.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
But you're in a privileged position to make that happen. Exactly,
a lot of people can't afford a new car, and
if you can, you can't then afford like a Tesla
Model White, which is a family car, starts at seventy
thousand dollars. I just don't understand how they expect a
consumer to go, Okay, well, I was going to buy
a RAB four, but now I'm being forced into this thing,
which is double the price.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Well, surely hybrids would meet this kind of these Euro
sixty standards right.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Exactly, And you've seen how much demand there is for those,
So I don't know, I think that, and even for
a hybrid, if you look at the RAV four that
runs on ninety one rong, so that runs on the
dirty fuel that we have. I suspect if they do
switch to an engine that is capable of these new
emission standards, it is going to be more expensive, and
that car is ready feel gone up in price anyway.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
But wait times as well, because I know I think Toyota.
I read some way at Toyota is slowing down their
production as well.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, So I just think that it will be interesting
to see how this goes.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
For people who are privileged enough.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
To be able to afford a new car and a
privileged enough to also be able to afford a more
expensive new car because of this, or an electric car,
I don't think they'll probably care all that much. But
what is coming around the corner is fuel subsidy disappearing
and people getting charged per kilometer, And I think also
around the corner will be the removal of subsidies for evs.
At the moment, there's been a huge groundswell for fleets
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and people who are in jobs that allow them to
have an ovated lease rushing into evs. That we've seen
the second hand market tanking for evs because no one
wants to buy them secondhand. So I think that once
subsidies are removed, you're going to see the real state.
And that's what's happening in Europe at the moment. Subsidy
is getting removed everywhere and the private consumer is not
(19:57):
buying as many of these as they were previously because
the subsidies are.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Gone, So yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
And you know, I do feel for the people who
can't afford to keep up with all of this stuff
because it looks great on paper, but if you go
to the average Australian, it's going to end up costing
them more.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I think we'll get better quality fuel, we'll get cleaner fuel,
for sure. Obviously, hopefully your raptor will disintegrate and burn
down a cliff.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
That will be leaving my hands at a time soon.
But I do agree. In the cities, like I used
to when our office was sort of near my place,
so used to walk to work and the thing I
hated the most was walking down Kingsway.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Walking And I did hate that. That was the first
thing I had Jesus.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
It sounded like a fat man squashing grapes. It was
just your man, but was slapping away.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
But walking down Kingsway, which is a four lane busy
commute into the city, it would be hard to breathe
because you had trucks.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And cars and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
So yeah, I totally agree that we need to be
stopping the shit that's spewing out of these cars in
city one hundred percent, So totally get it. I just
don't know that this is the correct way to be
going about it.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I wonder if, come late this year early next year,
if a lot of dealerships will be slashing the price
of their cars because they don't want them on the
showroom floor in a sense, because what they've got to
do is they don't meet Euro sixty standards. They're going
to have to somehow comply because it's not really going
(21:26):
to affect people who are you know, already driving around
in a you know, nineteen ninety two high lux or
something like that. They'll just continue doing that. Yeah, they
will just continue doing that, but.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
It won't be like overnight, ye near to go sell
your car. But if you do want a new car,
you're going to have limited options compared to what we
have now, and those options that you do get will
be more expensive.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It doesn't feel as bad as it sounds. I just
can't imagine that.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It doesn't right now.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Yes, just wait until you see the cost increase of
these cars. And if you're one of the unfortunate people
that buys an ev without home charging, just you see
what's happening in the US happen here where you just
cannot charge the car.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
What we saw during COVID that people are willing to
pay a shitload for above what a car is worth
and wait out far longer than what a car is
worth waiting for.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
That was when interest rates were nothing. Now with the
cost of living, and it's going to take a while
to fix this cost of living issue. Even if they
reduce interest rates, you still have products that are very expensive.
And if you look at what's happening in the States,
we spoke about this off air. I was shocked that
a meal at McDonald's. So this was literally sausage and
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ek McMuffin, hash brown and a coffee, two of those,
which is what we ordered when we were heading out
to do some filming, thirty six Australian dollars.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Which, by the way, Paul says, that's for two people.
Paul actually put all that food between two pieces of
bread and ate it like a sandwich.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
There was no one else there.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, that was no one else there.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
But this is what I'm saying. It's that's what's happening
in the States at the moment. So you just wait
till that happens here here at the moment. Fuel is
very cheap. A lot of the stuff we have is
very cheap, so, but it's also expensive.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Like everyone's well starting to Yeah, people are starting to
rave on about and starting to catch on about. Hey,
forty bucks fifty bucks down at my local Woolworths or whatever.
Used to be like half a shop for the week
or a quarter of a shop. Now it's just like
getting the overnight basics.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
It gets you the dishwasher tablets.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, and these guys, and by the way, these guys
are now pulling in record profits like never before.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
The same with all the electricity companies. Yeah, so everyone's
making money.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Except there's greed there. Yeah. Speaking of the ev market,
the Evy game, the successor to the was it. The
I eight, which is called the I sixteen was looking promising,
It was looking great. It was like we got a
glimpse of it, and then things got a bit who
hard during COVID tough times, and then they've pulled the
(23:53):
pin on the whole project, which we're just looking at
this right now. This God, this is a great looking car.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, look, I think so obviously I sixteen
is I eight times two. But I think that the
I eight is still a sensational car, and I think
they're super cheap at the moment of secondhand vehicles, and
I just love the look of them. They're really fun
to drive, they're fast, they're just cool.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And whatever happened to them, by the way, because they
didn't sell great, they didn't make it. Did they not
make many?
Speaker 4 (24:21):
They didn't sell great, But it is I stand by it.
It is still great, a great vehicle to buy today
because it is just cool.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, holds up this I sixteen just takes it to
another level. It looks sensational. So basically, the guy that
designed it, the design chief for the BMW brand, said
that it was another good kept secret. Prior to becoming
BMW's design boss, he was the head of design for
the M division and he basically was deeply involved in this.
(24:51):
And he said that the outside and the inside were
totally finished and it was ready to go, but COVID
hit and they canceled the project, and he didn't divulge
much more detail. But yeah, just such a good looking car,
and I do hope that this finally gets another life
at some point. But they were basically going to recycle
the body, the sort of composite skin that the I
(25:11):
eight had, so it didn't need a huge amount of,
you know, key architectural changes. So I just think it's
a it's a cool looking thing and unfortunately it'll likely
never see the light of day.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
The rear looks amazing, like it does look very concepty,
but one that they could easily pull off, you know,
the I eight. We saw that in the I eight.
It was very much what the hell is this? And yeah,
they brought it out and it's a it's a fantastic
looking car. I've got Yeah, I've got nothing bad to say.
The wheels are a crazy call. I'd hope that keep those,
(25:46):
you know, like the different orange wheels at the back,
at the rear.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
It just looks bloody awesome. Yeah, absolutely awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
What a shame. Yeah. What else got droop fed to
us during the week. The R S six GT.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Yeah, that's an interesting one because what Audi is now
doing is all of their future cars that have even
numbers are going to be electric, and then the odd
numbers are going to be not electric. So the RS
six is going to become an electric vehicle. So this
(26:21):
is the last time you'll see an RS six that
is not not sort of fully electric and the GT
is basically the sign off for that vehicle. They'll do
six hundred and sixty units in total. Australia is going
to get about twenty of them, and it has this
incredible designs that it just looks absolutely bloody unreal. So
in terms of what is different here, so reworked Audi
(26:43):
Quatro Sport differential for the rear axle to make it
a little bit more agile and rear biased, a new
coil over suspension tune. We don't know pricing just yet
for Australia, but basically they're saying that it's got a
higher spring rate, triple adjustable dampers, stiffer stabilizers so it's
going to be bloody firm, and then ride heights being lowered.
(27:06):
So they've just gone to absolute town on this.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
The artwork kind of looks great too. I've got nothing
bad to say about how this car looks. It Just
the speaker system in it just pops everything. The wheels
look at that.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
It is a stunner of a thing.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
So yeah, look, I still think this is one of
the best cars on the market today in terms of
just an overall performance daily driver. You can drive this
daily and then when you want to just unleash it,
it unleashes like it is. It is such a good car.
So yeah, I'm a big fan of them.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Lexus GX. Should we talk let's talk it speaking of
good looking cars. Wow, we the Lexus GX.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So let me give you just a bit of a
background on this car.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Tell me a little bit about the background. Power way,
tell me a little bit about it.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
So this vehicle sits on a platform called TNGA dash F. Now,
the reason that's important is because the three hundred series
land Cruise that sits on the same platform, so does
the Lexus lex. So the big big suv that's shared
with the three hundred, now, the new land Cruise a
Prato is also on TNGAF. So the complication to that
(28:19):
is that all of these vehicles share the same wheelbase.
They have slight differences in terms of length, but that's
just due to the body design. And it then means
that you've got the same vehicle but different pricing points.
So the reason that's a bit of a complication is
that the land Cruise a Prito, which was always under
the bigger big boy land Creuse are in terms of
(28:39):
pricing and engines, et cetera, is now the same vehicle
with the exception of the engine.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
And because you.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Now have to have four of these, you've got to
have a land Cruise, a Prito, a GX which is
the land cruise, a Prato alternative, then.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
A three hundred.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Three hundred series, and then alexis Lex, yes, which is
top t You have to have enough differentia between them
so that you can actually provide value because the guy
that buying a three hundred series doesn't want the guy
in the Prado with a V six diesel as well,
because why would you spend an extra fifty grand and
a three hundred series.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Now I said to you before, I was like, so
what's the difference between the GX and the Alex and
you gave me a very sly level. Then I pulled
my pants up.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So here's here's the issue.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Right, So this uses the same twin turbo V six
petrol engine that's in the Lex, except it's detuned.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Right and so, and then by the way they've taken
the V eight now is gone right.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
And a bit of background to the GX. This was
available I think for three generations in the US, and
the last generation of this was a V eight petrol,
so look the same as a Prato pretty much, but
it had a V eight petrol as opposed to the
POxy four cylinder diesel. It's in the Prato, which it
will then carry over into this next generation, which is
just comical.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
So yeah, the GX is I think probably the best
value you're going to get in terms of luxury, off road,
K capable, and punchy, so it's got all of those things.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Still get the V six twin turbo.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
It's not huge money, so we don't know pricing just yet,
but it'll likely kick off at around one hundred and
ten thousand before on roads. It's going to come in
three specs, so it's going to be Luxury, overtrail and sports.
Luxury overtrail is my favorite. So this is basically their
off road focused version, comes with all terrains. It's got
a very sort of aggressive off road. Look, there's a
color there that's very reminiscent of Sandy Torp, which is
(30:28):
the seventy series Hero color.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I think that's the one they're peddling in all media
at the moment too. That's their big media car.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Yeah, and they've even thought about stuff. So you've got
integrated TOBAR with brake controllers that comes standard from the factory.
Down in front of the overtrailer, you've got a section
that can be removed to install stuff like a winch.
They've thought about modification because in the States the GX
is heavily modified by people for off road driving, so
they wanted to give you one straight out of the box.
(30:56):
Comes with EKDSS, which is a new version of KDSS
that's electronic controlled, which gives you really good wheel articulation.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So on paper, it's great in terms of the way
that it drives.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
We had a chance to drive this across some of
the roads in just outside Tucson, and not many corners,
so I can't really comment on how it handles. But
the engine is fantastic in a straight line. It's got
plenty of punch. The interior really nice luxury appointments. Looks
different to typical Lexus a lot of straight lines.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Very boxy, isn't it. And I don't have a problem
with that at all. I think that was my main
problem with Lexus in the past. I remember when you
asked me once what do you think of Lexus in general?
And I said, it just feels like an old man
chucking the golf clubs in the back of the car.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, it's changed now. They're really trying to bring that down.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I think they've achieved that with this too. I think
they really have it. It's boxy, it's there is nothing
swoopy that's been carried over from the past, previous models.
This is it's a beautiful looking car, and it's still
it's still kind of meaty, you know, it's still aggressive,
and it does have that off road stance about it.
(31:59):
It looks like it could still go anywhere. My question
is this is a lot of these four wheel drives
go it's a great off road, and they're a bit
sort of firm or whatever on road or vice versa.
How's this one going like as an off road and
on road like package.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Well, they've got anti roll bars which can be disconnected
when it's off road automatically. But this overtrail also gets
adaptive damping, and so does the top speck. The entry
level on twenties, I thought road, Well, the top speck
is on twenty two, so I don't know what that's like.
We didn't get a chance to drive that, but yeah,
look for and the other complication again is the roads
(32:36):
were quite smooth where we were. I really need to
see this in Australia to see what it's like. But
it did have a couple of negatives though, So that
has the same issue that the Rounded series has, which
is the second road doesn't slide, which means you don't
really get the opportunity to give you third row much room,
and as a result of that, it's not a great
spot for adults. You also can't get the overtrail in
(32:56):
seven seats. They do a six seat configuration as well,
which again you can't do. The other thing as well
is that this comes with a four thousand kilo brake
towing capacity. In the States, the overtrail, we won't get
that in Australia. I don't think they'll probably bump that
down to thirty five hundred. So yeah, there's just a
couple of sort of odd, sort of little bits and
pieces there. But for the most part, this is actually
(33:20):
a fantastic vehicle and I'm just really excited to see
it here. From what I can see, it is going
to be sold out for a couple of years as
soon as they launch. So if you are actually interested
in one of these, I'd be going down and putting
your money down.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Lexus is predicted.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
We interviewed the boss of Lexus and he goes, they're
predicting twenty percent of their sales volume is going to
be overtrail. I'm like, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I think it's going to be more like eighty percent,
which means they would have forward planned two or three
years ago to order only twenty percent of the allocation
and overtrail. And if most people are going to be
buying that, it's going to be sold out virtually straight away.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
That could be a deliberate he could be underselling that deliberately.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I do hope so, because I think this will be
incredibly popular and they're just going to have that issue
where it sells out because the problem they have with
the Prado, they're only launching that with a carryover effectively
two point eight leader diesel, and that thing is fairly gutless.
In the Pridor at the moment, this will be heavier
and they're putting the same engine in it, So I
think everyone's going to be rushing in to get this
(34:19):
as opposed to the Prato. If towing and that sort
of stuff is important.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
To them, they've got plastic side steps on that.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
See the concept had rock sliders, which looked unreal. I
have a feeling rock sliders will be available as an
option because they have a lot of accessories you can
get with this. And I did notice those plastic side
steps out very cheap.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
The Raptor's got like a metal ye a black metal right, Ye.
That would be better off doing that.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
It does look good though, doesn't it. Those those sign
marrias are almost a little bit FJ cruise, Yeah, exactly,
square sort of things.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Can I just also ask for your opinion on this?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Actually yeah, I would put that away. There's probably a
cream for that. I'd go see a doctor soon. Did
you get that off, Donner? What's that?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I'll say it's similar in color?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Oh God Jesus.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
But what do you think about my cowboy hat which
I got in in Scottsdale, fitted for my head and
accessorized for my head.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Do you think I'd be okay wearing that in public?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
And many men did? You? Fuck? So, give give us
another look. We're going to put that on. We're putting
that up.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, it's broad back mountain ball.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Did you actually buy that? And has your wife seen that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
She loves it? Does she? Well she saw it last night.
It was the only thing I was wearing.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Did she get the last sue out?
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I don't know what that means, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
in Scott style, the mini Lau.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
That everyone was wearing. So I brought it back with me.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Did you did you? You drive the g X with that?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Let's just pitch your pool right now. It is a
little cowboy hard donna next to him, wheel drive, smells
like a steak and seats burty bad roll you Mirrow.
Speaking of cool stuff, watch out a little paper, A
little package for you here, and a lot of it's illegal,
(36:23):
so please don't talk about this the smoking stuff on
on the air. But a little little little package from
our good friends at Machines. Plus. We got some stickers. Yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Got some stick while on the raptor Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Cups.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh nice T shirt as well.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Your T shirt there you go, triple extra large moo
moo size just for you.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I like that. But look at Theseus has been a
busy boy.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Gus has been a busy boy, Big ups to Gussie machines.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Plus these cups look amazing. Yeah that oh black and
white guys.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
So there's two there, ones for the Sydney Car Expert Office,
the other ones for the Melbourne one. Put next to
you go cutting trophies or whatever the fuck you want.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
To clear some room. I've got quite a few of those.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, yeah, there's such big achievements.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Yeah, it's got to take a win review you can
in between getting sued.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So yeah, so that's that's our latest stuff from machines plots.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Are we giving some of this away?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
I reckon, we give some away? And there's something I
want to talk to you about off are okay? Should
we read some questions? Yeah, let's do it. Oh you
know what I was going to say. I've been so
bloody busy. I haven't driven anything. I did sort of
spend a couple of days in the ConA Hybrid just
out of interest. It was pretty fun. But I did.
I did spend some time in seventy nine series actually
expect out.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Oh it's actually got some accessories.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah. Oh that's got a pie warmer in there. You
love that.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's actually got the fridge.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
It's got the shelving unit. It's got the I think
it's called a Dahady pop up tent up the top.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, that is nice. That's wild, isn't it. It's just
very nice those dirty life rooms to the big wheels
on it. I like the color too, Yeah yeah, same,
that sort of silvery gun metal gray ericons the sweet spot.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Mind you you can't go past a sandy talk.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, that's true. Probably needs the The front grill is
going to be redone on that too, like the but I.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Don't hate that.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Nah.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I don't know about the crime though.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Nah. Well that's good that that particular one's getting that
ripped off and something brand new. Who was it? That's
that's the good people that ignite h Q. Oh yeah,
you're looking at the new spokesperson.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Good for they.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
We should read some questions. Oh here we go, all right,
some some have come through. Where's the sponsors? Well this
comes from Intrigues Coop. Where's the sponsors? Well, if you
want to sponsor the show, feel free. We're looking into it. Yeah,
we're looking into it. Look in all honesty, I can't
be but like a lot of people want to talk
to us about this.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
He had some trademark lawyers who wanted to sponsor the show.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
That's true. That's true. How much money was spent with them? Yes,
by the way, there's another podcast out there with a
very similar name. If you'd like to buyers. We're clearly
putting out a better product than you. Will Trevor ever
come back? No, No, he won't, no fucking way, if
(39:30):
I have anything to do with it, he will be back. Yes,
he got off. Do you know what, though, he'll be
back in the sense that like we'll rock up to
record one of these and he'll be Holy guys, there's money.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
I've just come back from CCS and the complain and
bloody poling or.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
What did he show off the other day? Something ridiculous?
Do you know what I want to ask Trevor about
the artist who we've spoken about before? Will I Am?
Was that? That is it cs CSC Yes, and launched
an app and it's I can't remember what it's called.
It's called like drivers sound, which, by the way, will
I Am Drivers We own that word, so what will
(40:09):
be fucking yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
And someone owns the other word, Yeah, someone owns the
word word.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
So it's basically it's an app and they did it
in the Mercedes EV And the way you drive kind
of collaborate, like talks to the sound of the car,
not like engine and stuff. It's like dance music or whatever.
Will go like if you're turning a corner real really
quickly when you accelerate out like.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
It's this sounds very annoying.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, okay, so this one this question. If you had
to pick one car to drive for the rest of
your life, what would it be? I'll drive the you go?
What would you drive? No, you go? What would you drive?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Just leave the jokes to me Champ?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Sorry, of course, good question.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
I reckon an RS six an R It would just
be the ultimate. It's good for family, good for going fast,
and just good for all sorts of fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Is that the wagon?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah? When are the Epps going up on YouTube? Slash
you porn? Wow? We do need to start checking these
up on YouTube to be honest. It's got to happen.
It's just made it just fucking time. What do you
people think I do.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Just social media? Got to do it?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Oh yeah, that guy? What are the best cars you've
driven that immediately made you want to buy one?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I bought two. The Supra. I drove that and I
thought I want to buy one, and then the Raptor
as well, drive that, and thought, yeah, I'm going to
buy one.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Actually, you didn't even drive the model the model, y
you just bought that, correct? Yeah, that was for my
wife pretty much. Yeah, G two three rs. But then
I realized I couldn't buy one. Yeah, if that means
the mission laws, what's that? Yeah, I wonder if that
falls under specific sports cars like niche sports cars. Okay, yeah,
if you had to pick one car to drive for
(41:56):
the rest of your life, yeah, fuck, I'd probably just
pick an old nine to eleven. Yeah. We had a
lot of requests for people to bring your stalker on
the pod. Which one, Well, Donna, this one is the
one that I fucking love this.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
Ah, this is so good that Paul Marinarus source Marrick
flog by the way, look, I know this is a
guy that's been giving you a ship, but credit where
credits due, Marinara Sauce.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Marrick is one of the funniest I've heard.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
And his little pussy hum a drag queen chariot. That's
so good. Did you see where's the King of the
Belenz Peeni Paul should be pussy Paul.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
But anyway, but then I did google his name, yeah,
her name, and did you see what came up?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
No?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
God, let me show you.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
In the meantime, I'm going to read this out. So
someone's been, someone's been what do you call it? Hating
on you, patrol or whatever? So where's that Paul Marinara
Marck flog in his little pussy hummer drag queen chariot
give us a kiss? Love? And then where's the king
of balleens Peenie Paul bagtorship Canning Toyota? Again? Are we
(43:14):
you stay snuggled up with your man in your butt
plug raptor? I've always said that car probably needs a
bonus butt plug? Uh? Where where's fist and Marrick, biggest
fucking crook liar under the sun bed. He's in his
homo raptor playing doctors and nurses with qui. Okay, this
(43:38):
guy is proper. What is it with him and gay people?
Oh Jesus Christ, he looks destest ship. Oh my god,
it's a woman. It's a man turned woman. Can I
talk about this? Okay? So how bearded overweight Matthew Avery
(43:58):
din became a beautiful, full blonde Sona. So the guy,
oh okay, so the guy who's been rubbishing Marinara Marrick
over here and saying all this like, go back in
your home, ohammer Is was a beautiful bearded man with
some sort of hobo and he was slash.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
She became beautiful.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Well, hang on, I would say that beard is beautiful.
It's lovely. So he had quite a bushy, fucking pew
patch going on, and then he became a beautiful blonde
called Sona. And I tell you what, not half bad.
I'd go, eh, I know you would, you definitely would.
(44:40):
You'd wear the cowboy hat for her. Sure, Holy Jesus,
he's made quite the transformation, hasn't he.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I'm fairly certain that that is the same person. So
there you go.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I'll tell you why, Sona, Matthew whatever, reach out and
I'll send you some driver's show merchant and naked photo
of Pavlo and his address.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
That was that. What a fun episode. Yeah, it was
serious and it was sort of It was very serious.
This is what happens when I do research. Not a
good idea. So Trevor is probably going to be on
the next one. We're working on a few things. And
by the way, there is a merch drop. It is
going to happen. I know we're going to be getting
any where. We're talking air freshners. Now we're talking t shirts.
(45:25):
Let's talk off air, because I want to know what
you I've got an idea about this situation. I just
just want to run it past you. If not, we'll
just fucking give.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Away many who get in touch with us. Yeah, and
if you're listening to this, we would love it if
you can. Obviously not while you're driving, but set yourself
a mental reminder and say, you know, hey, Siri, remind
me to leave a rating for the Driver's Show. Leave
a five star rating that please, because it would massively
help us. That would be amazing if you could do that.
(45:53):
And if you do have any questions, contact at the
Drivers Show dot com today you we'll hit us up.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
On the I g Yeah, there you go, let us
there you go. You're getting better with that. It used
to be hit us up on the social media. Guys.
He's getting caught on now he's got his fucking heart.
Give us your hang on. I'm gonna put some I'm
gonna put some Canyon Arrow music going on. Let me
(46:19):
hear your let me hear your Cowboy.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Audi, Gordy.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Thank you for listening, because that'll throw the scent of
the gay trail can row
Do you want to have a guard doing the intro
like the theme music's rolling? Do you want to kind of.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to the program, the problem program? What's that program?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Go grab?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Do you want to have another guy doing the intro?
Welcome to the show? Jesus Christ, this is why you
don't do it? How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Great, so much better now.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah, I'm sure this banana bread's going down to treat.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, thank you for buying that for me. That's all right,
thanks to the left. That's the first sweet thing I've
had for a few weeks.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
In your mouth to life, that's a lie. Shit's been hectic,
hasn't it. At the start of the year. I've got love.
I feel like I'm so boring because I've been so busy,
yet I'm just so bored at the same time. Yeah,
there's just nothing, nothing great. That's a lot of exciting
stuff coming up.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, well, that's the feedback I get from people who
listen to your radio.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Shit, that's the feedback I get from your wife. You're
that you're very boring. She's like, he whispers, engineering things
in the throes of passion.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's okay. Do you want a square roon?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You just whispers the weirdest inane thing. How good is
the miracle of flight? China the Chinese Chicken? What nothing?
It's a song by smash Mouth. You just come back
from the world's newest third world country, Los Angeles. That
is so true. What a hole? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
For how woke California is?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It is?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It is a grim place at the moment.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
So I was over there and we'll chat about this
shortly in the States to talk to drive the new
Lexus GX. But after that drive, I went to Los
Angeles to film some extra content. And while Arizona, where
we went for GX, is absolutely stunning, amazing, and you know,
it's just cool.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's just a cool spot.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Los Angeles has really just descended into San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
My goodness, that is a joint you did not want
to go near.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So it's the mecca for the holy homeless.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, but just very quickly.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It is sad what it has become because not only
is it very expensive, and that is just for a
US resident. It is very very expensive if you're going
there as an Australian because that dollar sucks. But if
you're over there and you don't have a job or
you don't really own much money. I just don't understand
how anyone's surviving. And you can see why there are
so many homeless people, but they just keep jacking the cost.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Of everything up.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
They're pushing everyone into these expensive evs like it is
just a bit of a disaster.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So Webby, what always sort of like throws me is
in different states in America, there's different tax laws and
different healthcare systems as well. So if you live in Texas,
for instance, you kind of can get a better deal
on things like medical and tax benefits and stuff like
that where he's in La Oh Jesus.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
But it's even down to stuff like fuel.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
So in Phoenix, we were staying just outside Phoenix, fuel
was like two dollars eighty US a gallon. In Los
Angeles it was closer to five dollars a gallon. So
I just I really don't understand how you can have
such a discrepancy when this joint is, you know, one
thousand kilometers away here at least you know it is
(03:26):
similar in terms of fuel. It's not going to be
dollars of difference. So yeah, I just think it's it's
a bit of a broken country at the moment, So
I'll be interested to see how they fix all of that.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But yeah, it's not not a good situation.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I've been divided for a long time too, and I
don't think it hasn't gotten better at all. Despite whether
you're a Trump guy, whether you're a who's the sleepy
old man, the demension guy Joe Biden, whether you're a
Biden guy, I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Waiting for that guy.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
It's just like die mid press conference.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
He genuinely has no idea where he is.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
They got him the other day because this is two
into a politics podcast, but I watched a feverit and
news while I was over there. They got him for
hoarding classified documents, which is exactly what they got Trump for,
and one of the people that was investigating said something
along the lines of.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
He's a well meaning elderly man with a bad memory.
And I'm like, you've just said that about your president,
and one of the guys in the way are Yeah,
I just craped my pants.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Anyway.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
So yeah, we'll talk more about the LEXUSJX shortly, and
I might even I'll touch on it now. Just some
of the stuff that we did outside of the GX
launch in Los Angeles. We drove the Twitter rad Fall Prime,
which is fantastic. So that's basically the rad Fall that
we get, but it's a plug in hybrid and it
does zero to one hundred and under six seconds.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
She is phenomenal, tchnique.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Really efficient, very easy to manage and drive. We also
drove the Keya Tell You Ride the x Pro, which
is the off road version on All Terrains.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Almost got shot by a lady.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Well.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I just presumed I was where it was going to
escalate that this was American American dotter pretty much.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
She came and started yelling at us for using the
filming on this land that she claimed private America.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Get on my land, Hey, stop pouring the kids shoes.
But I asked her, so whose land is it?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Just because I'll go ask permission if it's not okay,
because I was genuinely like, well, I don't want to
film here if it's someone land and she goes, I
think it's the guy up there, and I said ok
I said do you have permission to be here?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Because she was walking her dogs on it.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
And she's like yeah, And I'm like, but you don't
know who owns the land. So I was like, all right, cool, Like,
you just look like you probably hit the pipe fairly frequently,
so I'm just going to get out of here before
you come back and shoot me.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I would have asked for a sweet deal.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
But yeah, So I did that and also drove a
rivianah yeah, yeah, yeah to the suv and that ended
up being an absolute disaster. When it came to charging
as part of the review, I thought, let's just shoot
a bit of content on what it's like to charge
a car in a state like California that is fully
into EVS and outside of Norway is one of the
(06:09):
more progressive sort of electric feed They kind.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Of led the way with that sort of stuff. They
really championed it.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
And I genuinely thought it was just going to be
like a five minute video and everything was going to
be great. It ended up being an absolute saga. It
took us so long to actually charge this car, as in,
find a charger that wasn't that didn't have a queue
of ten fifteen cars.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, it was incredible watching that footage, unbelievable. I was
blown away.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
So yeah, I'll have a video on that. Will chat
about that in a bit more detail later.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
All Right, We thought we should talk about emissions laws.
Do you want to start with that? Do you want
to talk about emissions laws? Because they're sort of coming
up and a few things have been and now it's
now I'm going to go through my dumbass kind of
understanding of this and then you can throw me over
the coals and just tell me where I'm kind of right,
because basically all wrong, Yeah, all right, all wrong, very
much wrong. So Paul wanted to bring up emissions standards,
(06:58):
and so I thought to myself, here we go. He's
going to have like a little Pavais moment of I'm
going to have an editorial. From what I can understand
is you lower emissions, you lower the carbon footprint. Right now,
Europe has been, I guess, leading the way on this.
They kind of change the game when it comes to
emissions full stop. And that includes the current industry. So
(07:19):
the difference between Europe and Australia is Europe is very
much mandated by laws. Australia is, well, we have these
things called voluntary emissions targets. Now, from what I can
get is we're not really accountable to even hit these
targets at all. And I think in the last three years,
we haven't. I think it's gotten worse. So we sell
(07:42):
heaps of view, heaps of four wheel drives. The one
thing I will say is when it comes to what
causes high emissions, so Australia has really dirty fuel on
the world market, on the world sort of scheme of
it all, we've got dirty fuel which they're fixing. Well, yes,
that's kind of part of this whole thing. So we
love our utes, we love our four wheel drives, and
(08:03):
so this is going to make it tougher when it
comes to new laws coming into force. What exactly was
announced this week, I'm a bit confused at So all
new cars, SUVs, light commercial vehicles, basically anything that's introduced
in Australia in September next year, so that's twenty twenty
five has to go by the new Euro six D standard.
(08:26):
Previous existing models will have to hit that by twenty
twenty eight. And that's to comply. Half the current models
we've got on sale right now are Euro five So
Euro six D is even stricter. Yep. With that, you
don't just consider the type of car, You've got to
consider the type of petrol that's going into it. Now,
this is the weird thing. This is what I couldn't
(08:46):
quite get, which you can get to in a second.
But I know that we're going to be reducing the
amount of sultware in our petrol, and I think this
seems like it's going to be affecting octane ninety five.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
So yeah, basically, and ninety one is the worst defender
at the moment. If you look at ninety one rong
fuel that we have in Australia, it is amongst the
worst in the world for sulfur content, and that is
why a lot of modern engines require ninety five or
ninety eight ROND fuel to run.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
So a lot of European vehicles that are sold in.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Australia have minimums because if you feed at ninety one
it will basically destroy the engine. So yeah, that that
is what they're looking at fixing. And they already fixed diesel.
So the sulfur content in diesel is now sort of
in amongst first world countries, but our unleaded fuel is
amongst the worst in the world, and that's what they're
looking at fixing.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's also the.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
One that they claim will only increase the cost of
fuel by a cent or two cents a lead, which
I just think is absolute nonsense.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It'll be much more than that.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So this is and that includes taking sulfur and stuff
like that at or the rubbish.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So basically what this I feel like, what this is
going to sort of packed is things like youtes heavy
duty kind of commercial vehicles, utes apparently like Niche sports cars.
I don't know what falls under Niche sports cars by
the way, because yeah, anyway, it depends what you go with.
But apparently some budget hashback models as well. Yep, so
(10:20):
that don't really have the Euro six dy variants. That's
sort of a big question will they survive? But yeah,
where am I at with that? Good?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Okay, now just give you one sect of triple checks,
I think. So that's all sort of pretty much there.
Just the sort of nuances of it.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
The way that it will work is manufacturers will have
limits per vehicle that they have to meet. So this
is average CO two emissions per kilometer across their vehicle fleets.
So if you think of let's say Ford for example,
and you've got all of the vehicles that they sell,
basically they're going to say that let's say your limit
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is two hundred grams per kilometer or something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
There's plucking that out of thin air.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
If their average sales mainly rangeer in Everest, which they are,
what they'll need to do is basically figure out what
amount above that average they're contributing to the environment for
the vehicles that they sell, and then they will be
penalized for that.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So would they be inclined to be interested because they
don't really just said they don't really have many evs.
They've got the here in Australia, they've got the Mark three,
the Mustang Mark three. I think they've got like some
sort of a transit van too. Does that mean I
know they're working on like a small EV, but does
that mean they'll be introducing more hybrids and evs?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Well, exactly because logically you don't want to be paying
these fines. But what happens then, and this is what's
happened in Europe as well, car companies like Tesla that
only make electric vehicles will get credits. So what you
can then do is sell your credits to another car company,
so Forward can buy credits from Tesla as they're fine.
And this is how Tesla built its factory in Europe
(12:06):
they basically had Alfa Romeo or the Stalantes group paying
their credits to Tesla. Then Tesla used that money to
create a factory. So that is the sort of gist
of how it's going to work. Now, there are a
number of problems with this though, So.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
One thing I will say is who created that rule?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah, I mean this is what they're doing to try
and get people into cleaner vehicles, which I get it,
it makes sense, but to put it into context, passenger
cars and light commercial vehicles only contribute around ten percent
a little bit more than ten percent of Australia's total emissions.
So they are focusing very heavily on this one industry
(12:45):
and it doesn't seem they're putting much effort into anything else.
So the problem with this is that at the moment,
you really don't have the ability for people to buy
the vehicles that they need to be able to meet
this requirement. Putting this in from twenty twenty five, if
you're a tradee there is not an electric ute. Well
there is an electric ute, but it's rubbish. It's the LDV.
(13:07):
So you're saying to them, okay, well, now you're forcing
a car company to go Okay, well we're going to
increase the price of this car because a car company
isn't just going to take up all those costs. They're
going to pass them on to the.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Consumerw okay, so and they'll use that I mean that
extra cost is credits right.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Well, yeah, I mean they're passing it on.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
There's no way a car company is going to go, okay,
well we'll just absorb the cost of all this and
just continue selling cars. They'll either withdraw a car from
sale if they don't have a better engine, or alternatively,
they will charge more for the car knowing that it's
the only engine they have available. And you, as as
a person in Australia that is buying a car, are
either going to be forced buy an expensive EV which
is what they are at the moment compared to internal combustion.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Cars, or alternatively, you're.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Going to have to pay more for an internal combustion
car that doesn't meet these requirements. Now, the counter to
that is that these car companies sell vehicles like the
Ranger and the high Lux in countries that already have
these requirements. So there are engines they already produce in
other countries that meet these requirements. They will eventually bring
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those two Australia because obviously they don't want.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
To be fine.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
But the extra cost of all of that is going
to get passed on to the consumers. So where they
say here that Australians will save around thousand dollars per
vehicle per year in fuel costs, who's saying that the
government is absolute bullshit. There is no way it is
going to I mean, these engines, yes, they are more efficient,
but they're not going to save your thousand dollars a year.
(14:32):
Then they further go on to claim that the average
new vehicle purchase purchaser in twenty twenty eight claim to
be looking at a saving of five seven hundred and
ten over five years. It is absolute nonsense. There is
no way you are going to be saving that much
more fuel. In addition to that, the extra cost of
the vehicle, which is going to be passed on to
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you as a consumer, is not going to offset the
fuel saving either. So I just think that it's a
great idea. Yes, we need to make the automotive industry greener,
et cetera, et cetera, but at the moment, you don't
have vehicles for sale that are suitable for this if
you have a look at what Australians are buying, which
is utes and SUVs, and if you have a look
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in the States as well. I mean their biggest seller
is the fine fifty huge, an enormous vehicle.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
It's weird too because you're looking at I know this
sounds like a really basic thing to say, but I'm
used to it now. When you look at like the
consumption of what Europe are doing and how they're using
their cars, it's a lot different to how we use
our cars. And also what we consider, say a big
family car, to what Europe considers a big family car.
A fucking Volkswagen Golf over there is a family car. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
The issue is they're parroting all this stuff out of
Europe and it has absolutely no relation to what we
do when they go on a road trip over there. Yes,
they might travel longer distances, but you're traveling across built
up areas, and it makes sense that you need to
not be emitting as much through towns and cities across here.
If you're traveling longer distances, you're in the middle of nowhere.
(16:03):
A small vehicle doesn't make any sense. A small vehicle
doesn't toe. A small vehicle doesn't do a lot of
the things that the Australians that need to travel longer
distances are doing. So what you're doing now is penalizing
people who need to travel longer distances. In addition to that,
you then need to have a think about you've got
people that live in the country that is long distance driving,
but then in the cities you've also got people who
(16:24):
live further out because they can't afford to live closer
to the city. So these are people that are going
to be traveling longer distances by virtue it.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
In regional towns the fact that they can't afford it.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
So I just think that these are all and this
is exactly what we've seen in California right where you've
imposed all of these laws made it very hard to
buy the car that people actually want, so they're pushing
everyone into evs.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
And what we witnessed over there.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Which will be in the video that's coming out, the
public charging network is an absolute clusterfuck. We were waiting
hours to get to a charger. When we finally got
to the charger, the charger was either faulty or slow
because they had so many cars using it, and this
is in a country that has incredible ev uptake. And
according to this report from last year, there are over
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one hundred and thirty thousand public charges across the US,
which was a forty percent increase over twenty twenty, so
they are increasing. The private sector has also committed more
than one hundred and twenty billion dollars in domestic EV
and battery investments in the States, and it still isn't
enough at all to cater for the vehicles they're selling
at the moment. And their uptake of EVS is between
ten and twenty percent in new car sales, so you
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can just imagine that when that gets hold over here,
we don't have the infrastructure to support it. If you
don't have charging at home, you have to go and
charge publicly, which is expensive and often doesn't work. So
I understand what they want to do. I just think
it's far too early for Australia. It's not very well
thought out for the cars that people are buying, and
(17:53):
I guarantee this will cost consumers more. There is absolutely
no sugarcoding that this will end up losting more money.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And this is an ev aid by the way, at
all by any means. It's I've always said, like, if
I had sort of a perfect garage and the money,
my daily commuter would probably be an ev It just
makes more sense.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
But you're in a privileged position to make that happen. Exactly,
a lot of people can't afford a new car, and
if you can, you can't then afford like a Tesla
Model White, which is a family car, starts at seventy
thousand dollars. I just don't understand how they expect a
consumer to go, Okay, well, I was going to buy
a RAB four, but now I'm being forced into this thing,
which is double the price.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Well, surely hybrids would meet this kind of these Euro
sixty standards right.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Exactly, And you've seen how much demand there is for those,
So I don't know, I think that, and even for
a hybrid, if you look at the RAV four that
runs on ninety one rong, so that runs on the
dirty fuel that we have. I suspect if they do
switch to an engine that is capable of these new
emission standards, it is going to be more expensive, and
that car is ready feel gone up in price anyway.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
But wait times as well, because I know I think Toyota.
I read some way at Toyota is slowing down their
production as well.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, So I just think that it will be interesting
to see how this goes.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
For people who are privileged enough.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
To be able to afford a new car and a
privileged enough to also be able to afford a more
expensive new car because of this, or an electric car,
I don't think they'll probably care all that much. But
what is coming around the corner is fuel subsidy disappearing
and people getting charged per kilometer, And I think also
around the corner will be the removal of subsidies for evs.
At the moment, there's been a huge groundswell for fleets
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and people who are in jobs that allow them to
have an ovated lease rushing into evs. That we've seen
the second hand market tanking for evs because no one
wants to buy them secondhand. So I think that once
subsidies are removed, you're going to see the real state.
And that's what's happening in Europe at the moment. Subsidy
is getting removed everywhere and the private consumer is not
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buying as many of these as they were previously because
the subsidies are.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Gone, So yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
And you know, I do feel for the people who
can't afford to keep up with all of this stuff
because it looks great on paper, but if you go
to the average Australian, it's going to end up costing
them more.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I think we'll get better quality fuel, we'll get cleaner fuel,
for sure. Obviously, hopefully your raptor will disintegrate and burn
down a cliff.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
That will be leaving my hands at a time soon.
But I do agree. In the cities, like I used
to when our office was sort of near my place,
so used to walk to work and the thing I
hated the most was walking down Kingsway.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Walking And I did hate that. That was the first
thing I had Jesus.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
It sounded like a fat man squashing grapes. It was
just your man, but was slapping away.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
But walking down Kingsway, which is a four lane busy
commute into the city, it would be hard to breathe
because you had trucks.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And cars and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
So yeah, I totally agree that we need to be
stopping the shit that's spewing out of these cars in
city one hundred percent, So totally get it. I just
don't know that this is the correct way to be
going about it.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I wonder if, come late this year early next year,
if a lot of dealerships will be slashing the price
of their cars because they don't want them on the
showroom floor in a sense, because what they've got to
do is they don't meet Euro sixty standards. They're going
to have to somehow comply because it's not really going
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to affect people who are you know, already driving around
in a you know, nineteen ninety two high lux or
something like that. They'll just continue doing that. Yeah, they
will just continue doing that, but.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
It won't be like overnight, ye near to go sell
your car. But if you do want a new car,
you're going to have limited options compared to what we
have now, and those options that you do get will
be more expensive.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It doesn't feel as bad as it sounds. I just
can't imagine that.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It doesn't right now.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Yes, just wait until you see the cost increase of
these cars. And if you're one of the unfortunate people
that buys an ev without home charging, just you see
what's happening in the US happen here where you just
cannot charge the car.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
What we saw during COVID that people are willing to
pay a shitload for above what a car is worth
and wait out far longer than what a car is
worth waiting for.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
That was when interest rates were nothing. Now with the
cost of living, and it's going to take a while
to fix this cost of living issue. Even if they
reduce interest rates, you still have products that are very expensive.
And if you look at what's happening in the States,
we spoke about this off air. I was shocked that
a meal at McDonald's. So this was literally sausage and
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ek McMuffin, hash brown and a coffee, two of those,
which is what we ordered when we were heading out
to do some filming, thirty six Australian dollars.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Which, by the way, Paul says, that's for two people.
Paul actually put all that food between two pieces of
bread and ate it like a sandwich.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
There was no one else there.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, that was no one else there.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
But this is what I'm saying. It's that's what's happening
in the States at the moment. So you just wait
till that happens here here at the moment. Fuel is
very cheap. A lot of the stuff we have is
very cheap, so, but it's also expensive.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Like everyone's well starting to Yeah, people are starting to
rave on about and starting to catch on about. Hey,
forty bucks fifty bucks down at my local Woolworths or whatever.
Used to be like half a shop for the week
or a quarter of a shop. Now it's just like
getting the overnight basics.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
It gets you the dishwasher tablets.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, and these guys, and by the way, these guys
are now pulling in record profits like never before.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
The same with all the electricity companies. Yeah, so everyone's
making money.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Except there's greed there. Yeah. Speaking of the ev market,
the Evy game, the successor to the was it. The
I eight, which is called the I sixteen was looking promising,
It was looking great. It was like we got a
glimpse of it, and then things got a bit who
hard during COVID tough times, and then they've pulled the
(23:53):
pin on the whole project, which we're just looking at
this right now. This God, this is a great looking car.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, look, I think so obviously I sixteen
is I eight times two. But I think that the
I eight is still a sensational car, and I think
they're super cheap at the moment of secondhand vehicles, and
I just love the look of them. They're really fun
to drive, they're fast, they're just cool.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And whatever happened to them, by the way, because they
didn't sell great, they didn't make it. Did they not
make many?
Speaker 4 (24:21):
They didn't sell great, But it is I stand by it.
It is still great, a great vehicle to buy today
because it is just cool.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, holds up this I sixteen just takes it to
another level. It looks sensational. So basically, the guy that
designed it, the design chief for the BMW brand, said
that it was another good kept secret. Prior to becoming
BMW's design boss, he was the head of design for
the M division and he basically was deeply involved in this.
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And he said that the outside and the inside were
totally finished and it was ready to go, but COVID
hit and they canceled the project, and he didn't divulge
much more detail. But yeah, just such a good looking car,
and I do hope that this finally gets another life
at some point. But they were basically going to recycle
the body, the sort of composite skin that the I
(25:11):
eight had, so it didn't need a huge amount of,
you know, key architectural changes. So I just think it's
a it's a cool looking thing and unfortunately it'll likely
never see the light of day.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
The rear looks amazing, like it does look very concepty,
but one that they could easily pull off, you know,
the I eight. We saw that in the I eight.
It was very much what the hell is this? And yeah,
they brought it out and it's a it's a fantastic
looking car. I've got Yeah, I've got nothing bad to say.
The wheels are a crazy call. I'd hope that keep those,
(25:46):
you know, like the different orange wheels at the back,
at the rear.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
It just looks bloody awesome. Yeah, absolutely awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
What a shame. Yeah. What else got droop fed to
us during the week. The R S six GT.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Yeah, that's an interesting one because what Audi is now
doing is all of their future cars that have even
numbers are going to be electric, and then the odd
numbers are going to be not electric. So the RS
six is going to become an electric vehicle. So this
(26:21):
is the last time you'll see an RS six that
is not not sort of fully electric and the GT
is basically the sign off for that vehicle. They'll do
six hundred and sixty units in total. Australia is going
to get about twenty of them, and it has this
incredible designs that it just looks absolutely bloody unreal. So
in terms of what is different here, so reworked Audi
(26:43):
Quatro Sport differential for the rear axle to make it
a little bit more agile and rear biased, a new
coil over suspension tune. We don't know pricing just yet
for Australia, but basically they're saying that it's got a
higher spring rate, triple adjustable dampers, stiffer stabilizers so it's
going to be bloody firm, and then ride heights being lowered.
(27:06):
So they've just gone to absolute town on this.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
The artwork kind of looks great too. I've got nothing
bad to say about how this car looks. It Just
the speaker system in it just pops everything. The wheels
look at that.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
It is a stunner of a thing.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
So yeah, look, I still think this is one of
the best cars on the market today in terms of
just an overall performance daily driver. You can drive this
daily and then when you want to just unleash it,
it unleashes like it is. It is such a good car.
So yeah, I'm a big fan of them.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Lexus GX. Should we talk let's talk it speaking of
good looking cars. Wow, we the Lexus GX.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So let me give you just a bit of a
background on this car.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Tell me a little bit about the background. Power way,
tell me a little bit about it.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
So this vehicle sits on a platform called TNGA dash F. Now,
the reason that's important is because the three hundred series
land Cruise that sits on the same platform, so does
the Lexus lex. So the big big suv that's shared
with the three hundred, now, the new land Cruise a
Prato is also on TNGAF. So the complication to that
(28:19):
is that all of these vehicles share the same wheelbase.
They have slight differences in terms of length, but that's
just due to the body design. And it then means
that you've got the same vehicle but different pricing points.
So the reason that's a bit of a complication is
that the land Cruise a Prito, which was always under
the bigger big boy land Creuse are in terms of
(28:39):
pricing and engines, et cetera, is now the same vehicle
with the exception of the engine.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
And because you.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Now have to have four of these, you've got to
have a land Cruise, a Prito, a GX which is
the land cruise, a Prato alternative, then.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
A three hundred.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Three hundred series, and then alexis Lex, yes, which is
top t You have to have enough differentia between them
so that you can actually provide value because the guy
that buying a three hundred series doesn't want the guy
in the Prado with a V six diesel as well,
because why would you spend an extra fifty grand and
a three hundred series.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Now I said to you before, I was like, so
what's the difference between the GX and the Alex and
you gave me a very sly level. Then I pulled
my pants up.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So here's here's the issue.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Right, So this uses the same twin turbo V six
petrol engine that's in the Lex, except it's detuned.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Right and so, and then by the way they've taken
the V eight now is gone right.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
And a bit of background to the GX. This was
available I think for three generations in the US, and
the last generation of this was a V eight petrol,
so look the same as a Prato pretty much, but
it had a V eight petrol as opposed to the
POxy four cylinder diesel. It's in the Prato, which it
will then carry over into this next generation, which is
just comical.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
So yeah, the GX is I think probably the best
value you're going to get in terms of luxury, off road,
K capable, and punchy, so it's got all of those things.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Still get the V six twin turbo.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
It's not huge money, so we don't know pricing just yet,
but it'll likely kick off at around one hundred and
ten thousand before on roads. It's going to come in
three specs, so it's going to be Luxury, overtrail and sports.
Luxury overtrail is my favorite. So this is basically their
off road focused version, comes with all terrains. It's got
a very sort of aggressive off road. Look, there's a
color there that's very reminiscent of Sandy Torp, which is
(30:28):
the seventy series Hero color.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I think that's the one they're peddling in all media
at the moment too. That's their big media car.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Yeah, and they've even thought about stuff. So you've got
integrated TOBAR with brake controllers that comes standard from the factory.
Down in front of the overtrailer, you've got a section
that can be removed to install stuff like a winch.
They've thought about modification because in the States the GX
is heavily modified by people for off road driving, so
they wanted to give you one straight out of the box.
(30:56):
Comes with EKDSS, which is a new version of KDSS
that's electronic controlled, which gives you really good wheel articulation.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So on paper, it's great in terms of the way
that it drives.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
We had a chance to drive this across some of
the roads in just outside Tucson, and not many corners,
so I can't really comment on how it handles. But
the engine is fantastic in a straight line. It's got
plenty of punch. The interior really nice luxury appointments. Looks
different to typical Lexus a lot of straight lines.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Very boxy, isn't it. And I don't have a problem
with that at all. I think that was my main
problem with Lexus in the past. I remember when you
asked me once what do you think of Lexus in general?
And I said, it just feels like an old man
chucking the golf clubs in the back of the car.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, it's changed now. They're really trying to bring that down.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I think they've achieved that with this too. I think
they really have it. It's boxy, it's there is nothing
swoopy that's been carried over from the past, previous models.
This is it's a beautiful looking car, and it's still
it's still kind of meaty, you know, it's still aggressive,
and it does have that off road stance about it.
(31:59):
It looks like it could still go anywhere. My question
is this is a lot of these four wheel drives
go it's a great off road, and they're a bit
sort of firm or whatever on road or vice versa.
How's this one going like as an off road and
on road like package.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Well, they've got anti roll bars which can be disconnected
when it's off road automatically. But this overtrail also gets
adaptive damping, and so does the top speck. The entry
level on twenties, I thought road, Well, the top speck
is on twenty two, so I don't know what that's like.
We didn't get a chance to drive that, but yeah,
look for and the other complication again is the roads
(32:36):
were quite smooth where we were. I really need to
see this in Australia to see what it's like. But
it did have a couple of negatives though, So that
has the same issue that the Rounded series has, which
is the second road doesn't slide, which means you don't
really get the opportunity to give you third row much room,
and as a result of that, it's not a great
spot for adults. You also can't get the overtrail in
(32:56):
seven seats. They do a six seat configuration as well,
which again you can't do. The other thing as well
is that this comes with a four thousand kilo brake
towing capacity. In the States, the overtrail, we won't get
that in Australia. I don't think they'll probably bump that
down to thirty five hundred. So yeah, there's just a
couple of sort of odd, sort of little bits and
pieces there. But for the most part, this is actually
(33:20):
a fantastic vehicle and I'm just really excited to see
it here. From what I can see, it is going
to be sold out for a couple of years as
soon as they launch. So if you are actually interested
in one of these, I'd be going down and putting
your money down.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Lexus is predicted.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
We interviewed the boss of Lexus and he goes, they're
predicting twenty percent of their sales volume is going to
be overtrail. I'm like, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I think it's going to be more like eighty percent,
which means they would have forward planned two or three
years ago to order only twenty percent of the allocation
and overtrail. And if most people are going to be
buying that, it's going to be sold out virtually straight away.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
That could be a deliberate he could be underselling that deliberately.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I do hope so, because I think this will be
incredibly popular and they're just going to have that issue
where it sells out because the problem they have with
the Prado, they're only launching that with a carryover effectively
two point eight leader diesel, and that thing is fairly gutless.
In the Pridor at the moment, this will be heavier
and they're putting the same engine in it, So I
think everyone's going to be rushing in to get this
(34:19):
as opposed to the Prato. If towing and that sort
of stuff is important.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
To them, they've got plastic side steps on that.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
See the concept had rock sliders, which looked unreal. I
have a feeling rock sliders will be available as an
option because they have a lot of accessories you can
get with this. And I did notice those plastic side
steps out very cheap.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
The Raptor's got like a metal ye a black metal right, Ye.
That would be better off doing that.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
It does look good though, doesn't it. Those those sign
marrias are almost a little bit FJ cruise, Yeah, exactly,
square sort of things.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Can I just also ask for your opinion on this?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Actually yeah, I would put that away. There's probably a
cream for that. I'd go see a doctor soon. Did
you get that off, Donner? What's that?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I'll say it's similar in color?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Oh God Jesus.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
But what do you think about my cowboy hat which
I got in in Scottsdale, fitted for my head and
accessorized for my head.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Do you think I'd be okay wearing that in public?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
And many men did? You? Fuck? So, give give us
another look. We're going to put that on. We're putting
that up.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, it's broad back mountain ball.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Did you actually buy that? And has your wife seen that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
She loves it? Does she? Well she saw it last night.
It was the only thing I was wearing.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Did she get the last sue out?
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I don't know what that means, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
in Scott style, the mini Lau.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
That everyone was wearing. So I brought it back with me.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Did you did you? You drive the g X with that?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Let's just pitch your pool right now. It is a
little cowboy hard donna next to him, wheel drive, smells
like a steak and seats burty bad roll you Mirrow.
Speaking of cool stuff, watch out a little paper, A
little package for you here, and a lot of it's illegal,
(36:23):
so please don't talk about this the smoking stuff on
on the air. But a little little little package from
our good friends at Machines. Plus. We got some stickers. Yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Got some stick while on the raptor Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Cups.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh nice T shirt as well.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Your T shirt there you go, triple extra large moo
moo size just for you.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I like that. But look at Theseus has been a
busy boy.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Gus has been a busy boy, Big ups to Gussie machines.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Plus these cups look amazing. Yeah that oh black and
white guys.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
So there's two there, ones for the Sydney Car Expert Office,
the other ones for the Melbourne one. Put next to
you go cutting trophies or whatever the fuck you want.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
To clear some room. I've got quite a few of those.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, yeah, there's such big achievements.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Yeah, it's got to take a win review you can
in between getting sued.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So yeah, so that's that's our latest stuff from machines plots.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Are we giving some of this away?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
I reckon, we give some away? And there's something I
want to talk to you about off are okay? Should
we read some questions? Yeah, let's do it. Oh you
know what I was going to say. I've been so
bloody busy. I haven't driven anything. I did sort of
spend a couple of days in the ConA Hybrid just
out of interest. It was pretty fun. But I did.
I did spend some time in seventy nine series actually
expect out.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Oh it's actually got some accessories.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah. Oh that's got a pie warmer in there. You
love that.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's actually got the fridge.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
It's got the shelving unit. It's got the I think
it's called a Dahady pop up tent up the top.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, that is nice. That's wild, isn't it. It's just
very nice those dirty life rooms to the big wheels
on it. I like the color too, Yeah yeah, same,
that sort of silvery gun metal gray ericons the sweet spot.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Mind you you can't go past a sandy talk.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, that's true. Probably needs the The front grill is
going to be redone on that too, like the but I.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Don't hate that.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Nah.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I don't know about the crime though.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Nah. Well that's good that that particular one's getting that
ripped off and something brand new. Who was it? That's
that's the good people that ignite h Q. Oh yeah,
you're looking at the new spokesperson.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Good for they.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
We should read some questions. Oh here we go, all right,
some some have come through. Where's the sponsors? Well this
comes from Intrigues Coop. Where's the sponsors? Well, if you
want to sponsor the show, feel free. We're looking into it. Yeah,
we're looking into it. Look in all honesty, I can't
be but like a lot of people want to talk
to us about this.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
He had some trademark lawyers who wanted to sponsor the show.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
That's true. That's true. How much money was spent with them? Yes,
by the way, there's another podcast out there with a
very similar name. If you'd like to buyers. We're clearly
putting out a better product than you. Will Trevor ever
come back? No, No, he won't, no fucking way, if
(39:30):
I have anything to do with it, he will be back. Yes,
he got off. Do you know what, though, he'll be
back in the sense that like we'll rock up to
record one of these and he'll be Holy guys, there's money.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
I've just come back from CCS and the complain and
bloody poling or.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
What did he show off the other day? Something ridiculous?
Do you know what I want to ask Trevor about
the artist who we've spoken about before? Will I Am?
Was that? That is it cs CSC Yes, and launched
an app and it's I can't remember what it's called.
It's called like drivers sound, which, by the way, will
I Am Drivers We own that word, so what will
(40:09):
be fucking yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
And someone owns the other word, Yeah, someone owns the
word word.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
So it's basically it's an app and they did it
in the Mercedes EV And the way you drive kind
of collaborate, like talks to the sound of the car,
not like engine and stuff. It's like dance music or whatever.
Will go like if you're turning a corner real really
quickly when you accelerate out like.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
It's this sounds very annoying.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, okay, so this one this question. If you had
to pick one car to drive for the rest of
your life, what would it be? I'll drive the you go?
What would you drive? No, you go? What would you drive?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Just leave the jokes to me Champ?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Sorry, of course, good question.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
I reckon an RS six an R It would just
be the ultimate. It's good for family, good for going fast,
and just good for all sorts of fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Is that the wagon?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah? When are the Epps going up on YouTube? Slash
you porn? Wow? We do need to start checking these
up on YouTube to be honest. It's got to happen.
It's just made it just fucking time. What do you
people think I do.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Just social media? Got to do it?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Oh yeah, that guy? What are the best cars you've
driven that immediately made you want to buy one?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I bought two. The Supra. I drove that and I
thought I want to buy one, and then the Raptor
as well, drive that, and thought, yeah, I'm going to
buy one.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Actually, you didn't even drive the model the model, y
you just bought that, correct? Yeah, that was for my
wife pretty much. Yeah, G two three rs. But then
I realized I couldn't buy one. Yeah, if that means
the mission laws, what's that? Yeah, I wonder if that
falls under specific sports cars like niche sports cars. Okay, yeah,
if you had to pick one car to drive for
(41:56):
the rest of your life, yeah, fuck, I'd probably just
pick an old nine to eleven. Yeah. We had a
lot of requests for people to bring your stalker on
the pod. Which one, Well, Donna, this one is the
one that I fucking love this.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
Ah, this is so good that Paul Marinarus source Marrick
flog by the way, look, I know this is a
guy that's been giving you a ship, but credit where
credits due, Marinara Sauce.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Marrick is one of the funniest I've heard.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
And his little pussy hum a drag queen chariot. That's
so good. Did you see where's the King of the
Belenz Peeni Paul should be pussy Paul.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
But anyway, but then I did google his name, yeah,
her name, and did you see what came up?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
No?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
God, let me show you.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
In the meantime, I'm going to read this out. So
someone's been, someone's been what do you call it? Hating
on you, patrol or whatever? So where's that Paul Marinara
Marck flog in his little pussy hummer drag queen chariot
give us a kiss? Love? And then where's the king
of balleens Peenie Paul bagtorship Canning Toyota? Again? Are we
(43:14):
you stay snuggled up with your man in your butt
plug raptor? I've always said that car probably needs a
bonus butt plug? Uh? Where where's fist and Marrick, biggest
fucking crook liar under the sun bed. He's in his
homo raptor playing doctors and nurses with qui. Okay, this
(43:38):
guy is proper. What is it with him and gay people?
Oh Jesus Christ, he looks destest ship. Oh my god,
it's a woman. It's a man turned woman. Can I
talk about this? Okay? So how bearded overweight Matthew Avery
(43:58):
din became a beautiful, full blonde Sona. So the guy,
oh okay, so the guy who's been rubbishing Marinara Marrick
over here and saying all this like, go back in
your home, ohammer Is was a beautiful bearded man with
some sort of hobo and he was slash.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
She became beautiful.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Well, hang on, I would say that beard is beautiful.
It's lovely. So he had quite a bushy, fucking pew
patch going on, and then he became a beautiful blonde
called Sona. And I tell you what, not half bad.
I'd go, eh, I know you would, you definitely would.
(44:40):
You'd wear the cowboy hat for her. Sure, Holy Jesus,
he's made quite the transformation, hasn't he.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I'm fairly certain that that is the same person. So
there you go.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I'll tell you why, Sona, Matthew whatever, reach out and
I'll send you some driver's show merchant and naked photo
of Pavlo and his address.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
That was that. What a fun episode. Yeah, it was
serious and it was sort of It was very serious.
This is what happens when I do research. Not a
good idea. So Trevor is probably going to be on
the next one. We're working on a few things. And
by the way, there is a merch drop. It is
going to happen. I know we're going to be getting
any where. We're talking air freshners. Now we're talking t shirts.
(45:25):
Let's talk off air, because I want to know what
you I've got an idea about this situation. I just
just want to run it past you. If not, we'll
just fucking give.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Away many who get in touch with us. Yeah, and
if you're listening to this, we would love it if
you can. Obviously not while you're driving, but set yourself
a mental reminder and say, you know, hey, Siri, remind
me to leave a rating for the Driver's Show. Leave
a five star rating that please, because it would massively
help us. That would be amazing if you could do that.
(45:53):
And if you do have any questions, contact at the
Drivers Show dot com today you we'll hit us up.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
On the I g Yeah, there you go, let us
there you go. You're getting better with that. It used
to be hit us up on the social media. Guys.
He's getting caught on now he's got his fucking heart.
Give us your hang on. I'm gonna put some I'm
gonna put some Canyon Arrow music going on. Let me
(46:19):
hear your let me hear your Cowboy.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Audi, Gordy.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Thank you for listening, because that'll throw the scent of
the gay trail can row
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