September 19, 2025 • 45 mins
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This is gonna look so good on my tinder. The
Driver's Show with Paul Marrick and Gordy Waters. So everyone's
been wondering where Paul is and the Melbourne Gangland Wars
have got him. He's been masheddied up.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
All I did was try to open a tobacco store. Yeah,
here we are.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, and you've got a couple of fire bombs, a
couple of our cocktail bombs thrown in. Do you know
that happens regularly at a place right up the road
from me. You can tell this guy, this guy, this
guy is clearly not playing ball with the with the
cigarette mafia. And he's like, you know, no, no, I'm
just gonna I'm gonna do by the real deal, and
(01:08):
the bikes and whatever are just like.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
See up, we don't think so.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, like once a month this poor bastard shop windows
get smashed in.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
We we actually, I know there's had nothing to do
with cars. But where we used to live in South Melbourne,
they popped up a tobacco store. I'm like, oh, you're
you're fucked.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Which whereabouts was that one?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
There was one that had a car driven through it
and then set on fire. This was a different one,
but straight after it opened, was that.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The Clarendon That was the one on Clarendon in New
York Street. Yeah, but this is a different one because
that building. Yeah my dad, yeah yeah, he coming back,
coming back to collect some debt. Yeah. It's all LinkedIn
with the Mercedes bends.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Now so straight after.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
These guys opened, they installed like military grade ballards bars
on all the windows, shutters just to sell a pack
of smokes. Lovely so anyway, yeah, but yeah, how good
is Victoria?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Victoria is?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It is?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It has gone downhill, like you wouldn't believe. There's taxes
on everything. Crime is completely out of control. If the
police aren't busy doing a protest, they're searching for a
guy in the forest. They just do not have time
to actually do any actual police work anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It feels weird as an outsider looking in and someone
who grew up in Melbourne, someone who's still kind of
considered it home. It's so weird to watch just the
decline from from COVID with old mate Dan Andrews to
what I mean, what a fucking debarcle that was? How
is he?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And this is now completely off carspic.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
In case you've just joined us, this is what really
grunds your gears with Gordon Pavli.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
How was he in the picture with Kim johng wound.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So fitting gee putin?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I'm like you, mate, you do not care, you just
have He's.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Just lost the plight, hasn't he. He is a piece
of fucking work. Yeah anyway, Yeah? Is he a member
of the Portsa Golf Club?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yet not anymore?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
My mate Steve Price fixed that up.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Good, good on him. Have you been, in the words
of mister g where have you been, bitch? Where have
you bloody been?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Here, there and everywhere? And we're going to be talking
about one particular thing today, which is a tesla drove
me around on its own. H. I only had to
intervene a couple of times, but drove me around on
its own. So we'll talk about that happened. That was
on the streets of Melbourne Brisbane. Ah.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I was going to say, you could have run into
a couple of gangs or something, the.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Lines, the jacks, the gypsies. But yeah, I've been there.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I went to China, did I've just been everywhere a
lot and just haven't had time to do a podcast
with you. But I thought Steph did a great job.
Trevor not so much.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Look, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But can I just tell you something Trevor didn't do
actually when he was on the episode. Just give it
a second. Yeah, that's silence. Fucking couldn't do it. I
just couldn't stop fucking talking.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
There was there's actually a moment you can hear in
that episode where I just gave up, and it's about
two minutes in.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Look, I usually thought it was a really good episode,
so I know you didn't think that, but I thought
it was great.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And by the way, trev the problem is, trev is
looking really thin now and he's looking good, like I
don't have much to tease him about because I'm now
the fattest.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Ship in the room. How that chair is buckling?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah? You know who I reckons in danger Eddie McGuire's
neck because it looks like it's hiding under my chin.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I just think any.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Of those you know, moms with eight kids who win
a cherry on the Today Show, if trev just he will,
he will ravish them.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Come and see the real fucking key carnival, Carnival in
my pants, fucking up it's room right, Oh good, but
Trevor Trevor for fucking long. What a what a debacle
that was? But yeah, look he's he's trimmed up, he's
looking good. He won't shut up, and yeah he's sort
(05:13):
of yeah yeah, he's definitely like like king of the
Hollywood Moms. Now, like you can just tell he'd go
down to the soccer practice and like and troll for pulse.
He just totally would near the tuck shop.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Anyway. So what else has been happening? Oh the bloody
A couple of cars that I've been driving. Let's let's
do a bit of back and forth. So I got
my hands on a care tasmin.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Oh yeah, m it's something.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It's a it's a big girl. It's a big girl.
I mean, yeah, donnad could sleep in the back. Oh yeah,
that's that's how big it is. That's like Donna Dad Trey.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yeah, Jesus, like the where the headlights are it looks like, yeah,
that looks like Donna's side under tit just that real
Wooby Goldberg style tit just come go and like you
go and give.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Her a nipple cripple. But you're sort of somewhere near
the side nipple gribbler.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
At a backscrap, so they both happened at the same time.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, don't get me exherded Pavly. The design.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Look, I said this in my video.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
And people were, no, you're just on the tank from Gia.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
The design.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I don't personally like it, but styling is subjective. People
will either love it or hate it. And in our
comments on the video.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
It's genuinely fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
There are fifty.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Percent of people who love the design and fifty percent
who hate it. And to me, it's like, I don't
care what you buy. If you I'm telling you what
it's like from a analytical point of view, what it's
like to drive and operate as a dual cab. You
the design and couldn't really give a shit about The
only comment I had on the design was that the
position of the headlights will make it tricky for anyone
that does proper off roading because you're going to smash
the shit out of those things on errand branches and
(07:04):
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But outside of that, car's fine.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
We actually just it's going live tomorrow as we record this,
but we'll be live by the time you hear it.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
We publish a towing video, and it's not great at towing.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
We had a lot of issues with the stability control
just randomly coming on when it was driving. The brake
controller causes the brake lights to flash on a million
miles an hour randomly. There's just a couple of things
that they really should have ironed out during the engineering
process that they clearly have just totally.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Missed, especially when this car. There's a lot of eyes
on this car, and there's a lot of critical noise
about it as well. They really kind of should have
dived into that. The towing is bad news. But yeah, look,
I mean this is day two. I can barely really
talk about much, but the interior is nice. Interior is fine.
(07:56):
It's fine, it's fine. Do you know what I found
weird in the interior. There's several reminders to tell you
how big the car is. Like if you look at
like there's this weird sort of tray in the Senate console,
then you lift the lid up of the Senate console
and it's under that as well.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
So they've kind of copied Ram. Ram does that with
the fifteen hundred and other RAM models. Problem with all
of that is that it doesn't take into account like
if you get the toe kit, you've a toebar sticks
out which extends the length of the vehicle. If you
get a bullbar, it changes the length of the vehicle.
If you get different tires, it's no longer the same height.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You got a lift kit. It's so it's kind of
a weird thing to have.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
But I feel like it's more of an aesthetic, to
be honest, I honestly do I think the inside's like nice,
it's good. I mean it's you're looking at, say the
interior of the BYD Shark, which I think is better.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yep. Well, which variant you're driving tasman X Pro yep,
that's the top spec, so yes, because it's.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Got the little tray, the little Heidi hole above the
wheel arch.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah. The other thing as well is that that also,
just from a technical standpoint, everything but the x Pro
has a manually locking rear diff. Everything else has an
auto locking rear diff, which I think is just the
worst creation ever to exist on a dual cab that
you want to go off roading, because it will wait
for a delta in wheel speed on the rear axle
and then it will just lock the rear diff just
out of nowhere, and it can become really problematic if
(09:18):
it snaps sideways on you and you're not expecting it.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Why there isn't just a button is just so strange.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It must be a cost saving thing, because I cannot
think of any positive reason you would not have a
button to lock the rear diff.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And it's pretty like commonplace too.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, and that one also, The top Speck also has
the speed variable hill descent and ascent. The rest of
them just have a standard hill descent control. From an
off road perspective, the tasment is excellent based on the
testing we've done, but only in the Xpro because you
step down to the X line. It does weird stuff
like you've got the rear diff that can't be manually locked.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It will change up gears on its own, so if you're.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Doing a hill climb in low range and first gear,
it'll just go here's second for you, and I'm like no,
because it will just stop your movement entirely and like
send you backwards. It is stuff like that. I just
find so strange why they've engineered these things. It's really weird.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Have they sort of thought to themselves, we're just going
to classify the X Pro as the only four wheel
drive going car.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Maybe it's just a weird thing on a seventy something
thousand dollars car.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And it is bloody expensive.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
It's actually the same or slightly more expensive than a
V six Ford range of WildTrack.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So you're getting and.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You're getting more, you're getting more in that's just getting.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
A much better engine for towing and doing all the
other stuff you need to do. But in saying that,
the engine is actually far punchier than the numbers would suggest.
Because it's on paper it should be not that great,
but I found it to be pretty good, with the
only real downside being the gearbox.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It hunts a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And the reason they've done that is because it's down
on talk and if they basically have a hyperactive gearbox,
it feels more responsive to the driver because it's always
in the right gear. Had they not have had that,
you'd be constantly trying to lean on the talk band
to get it to move, or slipping back through gears,
which would become problematic if you're trying to move fast.
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It's it'll be interesting to see how this sells, and
I know they obviously want to move units. I found
it interesting when Steph Coombs came in here and she
was at the launch. They were aiming somewhere about being
number four in the market, which I find a weird
place to be. They reckon their main competition is the
B White Shark. I'm like, well, okay, you're looking at
(11:34):
a car that's probably obviously not going to toe with
the Shark. Different Yeah, yeah, it was a weird one.
The Shark is far cheaper.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's yeah, I don't know, it'll be interesting to see
how it goes out.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And they've put what they've done to is they've put
a lot of money in this car and marketing. Yeah,
that's what I mean, like, not not just into the
actual car, but into the marketing of the car. Like
the launches were nuts. Steph was saying she went to
the launch where they did like Tasmin Town or something,
and I think it took over a town. Yeah. Yeah,
(12:13):
I think a football player cupped her on the tit.
I'm not sure he was paid to do that. I'm
just throwing around allegation. She's gonna kill me, I'm kidding.
But yeah, they've put a lot of money into this
thing and it'll be interesting to see where it goes.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah. So yeah, I was just a random other thing
as well, because we had nothing to do on a Saturday.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
That sounds like it's like a pretty normal weekend here.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Melbourne four by four show was on and I said
to my brothers, we take the kids. And my daughter's four,
his kids are four and six. They thought it was
like a show like the circus where things happen. So
the first mistake is we took kids because when we
got there, like, oh, when when's the show on? And
I'm like, we're at the show. It's all these stationary
(12:57):
things here and.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
All these old people Jinasa, So that was a bit grim,
but it was where are the monster Track's dad? No, No,
this is like it's just a big, full driving stand.
It stands there and we just look at it and
we talk about me and your uncle get together and
we bitch about your mum.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I was and thank you.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
To everyone that said hello to me. It was viewers.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
At celebrity, but it was.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It was incredible. It was jam packed. I didn't expect
it to be this busy. It was completely chockers. But
the amount of interest and activity in this space is
on another planet and you can see why AARB is
making so much money. They had at the ABS stand,
they literally had like ten tables where they were doing
quoting and every single seat was full with a line,
so you would sit down.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Get a quote, fear full drive based on stuff you'd seen.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Seen it their stand and scheduling to pay for it
and get it fitted, and every stand had different types
of equipment they were doing. I had a four x
four show with Lucas who runs the Springs four by
four park, and Mad Matt who also does a whole
bunch off roading as well. They were doing some cool
stuff at the maxis Mountain or whatever it was called.
(14:12):
So it was really cool to see and highly recommend
going next.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Year and take your kids, ma'am that.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I believe you did that.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
That's a rookie era.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, maybe take them out or something after us.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I bought them chips and stuff, so yeah, anyway, you're
a diatass.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Hey. You know what was interesting? I had an m
X five and I want to do a quick shout
out to Subtle and Masda for this bloody hell. You know,
it's funny because quite often we'll get together and we'll
bitch about car dealerships and how the service is going down.
They were actually really good, so shout out props to
where that is due. They were really nice. But it
did get me thinking, it's a how much is the
(14:52):
new MX five these days? About sixty roughly?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, good question. They used to be like a thirty
thousand dollars car.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah not anymore?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
How much?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Does the ask chat GPT car expert Gassost, I'll do
the same, hang on forty three grand.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It starts with for the roads to manual, so that
used to be a thirty something thousand dollars car and
it goes up to fifty two.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, not for that hard top.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
No, I think that's for the soft top. That's the
thirty fifth anniversary. This is Riveting Radio. Okay, So the
RF goes up to fifty seven twenty for the top speed.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
And then once you get that on the road, that's
about sixty. Yeah, this was a soft top, but I
know it was some sort of special edition had the
extra breaks and some tuning done in an engine fun car.
Don't get me wrong, right twenty twenty five, if they're
still using the little dial.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
For the connect for the thing is gross.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
For the Yeah, for the Apple car Play, and it was.
It was actually really difficult to do. You can, it's
stupid because it's like, once you're parked, you can use
it as a touch screen. Yeah, but once you're going
and you're on the go, you've got to use the
stupid toggle, which makes things way more Yeah. And I
sort of thought, why would anyone buy a brand new one,
(16:09):
buy one that's two years old or something like that,
the one that's got five ten thousand k's on it.
You're saving an absolute lot of coin and you're getting
the exact same car. I mean, driving wise, there's no
doubt about it. They're an iconic car for a reason,
but it still drives like a car that was driving
like that fifteen years ago. I'd probably get one without
(16:31):
all the bullshit because I didn't need it.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yea, yeah, I mean I don't disagree at all. Heaps
of people buy them. They say that in the Mustang.
I saw a graphic that this dude that follows the
car market does for Mustang where like in the top
five I think markets globally, which is crazy. Yeah, so
people love those sort of midlife crisis sports car style
things in Australia.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
That's me, Gordon, that is me. Yeah, must The new
Mustang looks good, looks good. It's expensive, a guzzle fuel,
fucking who cares? Sounds good, sounds fucking good. And I'm
gonna like this is gonna look so good on my Tinder.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
I'm got a fucking foto with me and my Maustang,
and I'm drinking some great Northern and I've got my
fucking Monster Energy drink flat cap on and like I've
just fucking finished sheet metal at Tafe and I've got
my life to get.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Up paid well paid.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Well, you know what I loved, You know what I
loved I had a Mini Cooper S. Yeah, I loved it,
loved it. This one had the JCW fit out.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I used to have a Cooper S. And it's amazing
how much they've changed in the last couple of years
because when I had mine, moments like back when they
were very you could really customize them, like you could
put whatever dash you wanted, whatever seats. So I had
these really great British lounge green leather seats and like
a wood grain dash, and it was, you know, it
(17:59):
was a game because with your genesis, you guessis stop
at Stephen. Yeah, what we're talking about. Yeah, So I
had the Cooper as and you know, that's such a
fun car.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It is.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Look before you say anything. It's interesting to see they've
they've done a different a bit of a different approach
nowadays where you don't really get as much choice as
you used to, and I get why. But this had
the JCW interior, which you can.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I do like that interior that Mini does that The
circular old led display is cool. It is a horrifically
bad info tamement system. It's laggy and just just shit
that at all. But the thing that disappoints me is
that they've taken all the j CW out of it.
The j CW used to have crackles and pops and
when it was super charged, you could hear everything that
(18:52):
was going on. This one. If you turn off the
interior sounds, it does not make any noise. The new
j c W is Yeah, like, what is this thing on? Like,
I just wish they would bring that back. Why can't
I just tick a box that says sports exhaust? That
is raucous and just angry because the rest of the
cars are really cool. I just think that they've just
missed a trick there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I haven't driven the JCW one yet. I'm really keen to,
especially the Countrymen. Yep, that's based on the X one,
right one, Yeah, what if they put They've just brought
out like a version of the X one, which is
kind of like an.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
M Yeah, I think it's the thirty five. I is
the X one, the hot one that basically is the
Countryman JCW. Yeah, but it's it's a fun car. It
goes really quick, like it's from all of that sort
of stuff. It's good, big breaks all that. But yeah,
just I just wish it could just have a bit
more personality.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, I wonder if they I wonder if you could
change out with an exhaust yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
After ma market. But it's the thing is with cars
these days, I just have so many emissions control devices
that I just take the life out of them. And
I just wish that if I'm paying for a JCW,
just you know, just let me ticke a box. I'll
sign a waiver.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Well, yeah, look, I liked it.
It was fun. It was still throw around. This was
the s which I thought was still plenty quick for
like the bloody as. I'm like, ah, this is this
has got some some throat to it. It's good fun.
It's still a little car in a way. It's still
it's getting bigger. Oh yeah, you know, it's definitely not
the little car it used to be, but I guess
(20:25):
it's a little by today's standards. Yeah, it's this beautiful color.
I don't want to know what the color was. It
was like a blue. It almost looked like a tiffany blue.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Wouldn't know what.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
That looks, really, you definitely wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
It was good.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
What have you driven lately?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, so did the Tasmin I spent some time in
the Ranger plug in hybrid.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Oh you know, it was snooze.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It was good, but not the one I Storm Track
or whatever it was called. It was obscenely over price
and never listened to the noise that was making. I
put this up on my Instagram and as well. Yeah,
instantly got a call from Ford because they were panicking
about the noise that it was making. But basically, I
went out to the drive I'd had it charging overnight,
went out to the driveway, turned it on so that
(21:16):
it would run the heater, but it was in ev
mode so the engine was not on. So I ever
listened to this. I was going to put it up
to the speaker. It's some rough sounds that have started.
So this is a cold start on full electric with
the battery pull.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
It sounds like something's rattling in that fan.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
So my theory, and they haven't confirmed this, but my
theory is when you get into a car like that, manufacturers,
depending on how they do it, they operate these in
two different ways. They either let you run it on
electric and just leave the internal combustion engine dormant and
just never even think about it, or what Ford appears
to do is even if you're running in full electric
(22:01):
it will circulate like some sort of heated liquid through
the internal combustion engine, so that when it does have
to fire up, you could be doing one hundred k's
now you don't want it to go straight to two
thousand rpm and just be sitting there red heavy load.
When we used to I used to do my engineering job,
(22:22):
we had.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
This isn't a linked in account.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, I'm so proud of my team because here's why
I did well. No, So, when I did my engineering job,
we worked at data centers, and data centers all have
these enormous generators that run if the electricity goes out.
So if the electricity goes out, data centers have battery
packs that take over immediately. Then generators start, and then
generators run the site for potentially weeks on end because
(22:48):
they've got huge fuel tanks. And what they would do
is when they were running generator tests, they would start
them in anger, which is where you basically turn it
on and load it up immediately. But those generators all
had like heat jackets that would run warm oil through
them so that when it started, you weren't starting a
cold engine and so that's what Fords doing. So but
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the problem is that it sounds like whatever was running
on that car was like a pump of some sort
circulating fluid. Potentially I was parked on a hill and
it sounds like perhaps the pump wasn't able to access
the liquid that it was meant to be circulating. So yeah,
I don't know whether they actually tested a cold start
on a hill as part of the engineering program. But yeah,
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a bit of a concerning one. And outside of that
car's fine. I just don't know why you'd bother buying.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
It's a lot of money too.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, the range is a woeful. It's like realistic thirty
kilometers of driving range, which is appalling. Yeah, you're better
off just buying like a BYD Shark or a cannon.
Like if you need to off road and tow, you
get the cannon. If you just want something quick and
electric and.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Get around town, you get the bid. Yeah, the Ford,
I just don't know why.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Anyone would buy it. So that's a bit of a
weird one.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Okay, we should talk about Tesla self driving f SD.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
They call it brackets supervised.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yes, I love that, which I wouldn't know what what
considers supervised or what do they call it? It's there's
a word like what you've kind of got to be
overlooking the car supervising? Yeah, not supervising. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I wish truth it was he I would be able
to talk lingo.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, probably industry chat, industry chat.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Fuck. While you're looking out, I think I think you
know what the probably the word. I think I probably
was looking for a supervised Yeah, I want to know
what what the what constitutes supervised? So you're letting the
car go drive, but you've got a supervisor.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Let me paint a picture first. So I get a
cryptic like phone call from Tip Gordy, this is I
just get an answer it up to this.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Hello, isn't you Darling?
Speaker 4 (25:03):
It's Donna.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
How you doing here?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You Darling? I fucking missed you a little perfectly.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I've been listening to that stupid podcast you do with
the the lesbian woman there, what's what's her name?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Gordon.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I've been having a little bit of a listen to
that lady. And you haven't been on Darland.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You've been in China.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
I got bloody the life the fucking scared ahead of me.
I thought he said, you're in a vagina joking.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
You would have you would you would have loved the
episode with Trevor right, he's a start.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Don't care for that hairy bastard. I don't care for him.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I looked at his back and it looks like one
of me flaps. I've got a blood I've just been
I've been visiting his sister there in Casina, and I've
got a new I've got a new your patient. I
want everyone to check it out. Now my nude thing,
(26:10):
mind hock you Patrion down is Jonna the mattress actress.
I've got a webshot and everything.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
What does that entail?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Well, if you ever fucking had a steam dim sim
I can fucking turn it fried in three seconds. I
can do it for once. Listen, I heard your bloody
talking about them self driving cars. I'll tell you something.
(26:48):
When I'm in the bits of shitty Sigma and I'm
telling my caravan, I can do a bit of self driving.
I'll fucking put the bloody steering wheel what you got
and then I just little love, I do need to
fucking shift left little.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And then just caught me.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Let you goes to the left.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Well, thank you. Thank you for the call.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Donna, don't forget about Donnas and stubby holders. Don't forget
to check out my website.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Donna's Hot, Jimmy's and teas.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
See Land.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I love you, but it was weird that your phone
would start going in the Military Professional podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I really shouldn't be taking phone calls while we're doing
that's she's got a mouth on it, hasn't she?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Who's that?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Donna?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
What's it? Donna? Yeah, I tune out.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I can't stand her language is disclosed, she's got she's
just very unclassy. She sounds very uncapped.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Well that's that's true.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, well you would know you've been there anyway.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
So what I was saying was I've got a cryptic
phone call from Tesla and they said at a breath mate,
It's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
So I've literally done four steps and I sound like
fucking Christophers case defeating himself.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Like Trevor six months ago.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Jesus, I think I'm going to get on the Trevor juice.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Oh yeah, So I got a cryptic phone call and like,
come up to Brisbane.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
We're doing an event and you know, we want you
to experience something and I thought they were going to
give us the Model Wide Performance to drive and I'm
like all right, can I bring the videographer and like yes,
but you need to pay for him to come. And
I'm like okay, they are the world's tightest car company.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
So I'm like, right, we'll cover the cost of that.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
So I flew up there with a videographer and we
went into this room and they're like, we're about to
roll out full self driving bracket, supervised bracket for Australia
and New Zealand. I was like, oh, this is exciting.
And we flew up to Mount Cotton, which is like
a driver training facility outside of Brisbane, and I thought
that was going to drive us around Mount Cotton. I
thought this is going to be stupid.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's like a it's a curated road that you've got here.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
It's not that special.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And they all right, so we've got some out the front.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You can go on a drive loop through to Brisbane
and back and I was like, whoa, okay, So we
set up all the cameras on the car activated full
self driving, which requires you to answer about thirty different disclaimers,
none of which I properly read. It then drove me
to the city like on its own. I literally just
had my hands behind the wheel and my feet near
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the brakes.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
So did you have to put your hands on the wheel?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
You don't have to. It's not like autopilot where you
have to interact with it every twenty seconds. You do
not have to touch anything for the entirety of the drive.
And it will do everything from indicating breaking stopping, changing lanes,
stopping it roundabouts, going through it like it does everything.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
And like it was weird. I do you keep your
hands on your lap?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Well, technically you need to still be in control, right,
and this is one of the things like you can't.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
You've got to be what's the word I'm looking.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
For, supervising it right? The supervised. I have a question
if I am supervising right and having away? Yeah, well,
because that would be the first thing, you know. I
remember when I remember when mobile phones first got cameras.
The first thing I did was was philm a Willie and.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Two of those eight pixels were Jesus.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
He couldn't fit.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
According to a cop.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
That I spoke to in Queensland, he said that you
don't have to have your hands on the wheel as
long as you have control of the vehicle.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
So I think that's open to interpretation.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
And just as a really quick side note, Tesla has
been sued by that many people in the States I
have alleged autopilot crashes. They actually had to pay some
do two hundred and something million dollars to the family
he was involved in a crash, and the crazy thing
was that he allegedly wasn't even using autopilot. So they
said that no car would ever have been able to
(30:48):
stop the crash that he was in because he was
just not He dropped his phone or something went looking
for it. So the judge awarded the family thirty three
percent of damages, which equated to be like two hundred million.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
So Tesla's appealing that.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I don't know that they've had any successful convictions based
on it running on auto.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Public because Tesla is a little tricky with the way
they do things.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Every instance so far, they say that autopilot was disabled,
and based on some testing that the people have done
on the internet, it disables just before an impact or
a crash. So I was like, yeah, it was disabled
one third of a second before it crashed into the thing.
So yes, technically that's true, but anyway, look we've seen.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
An interesting kind of what an interesting kind of get
out of jail for free card. Like if you're saying, well,
we disabled it, like they've got every chance to correct it.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
No.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, So yeah, for the most part it worked well.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
There was a couple of instances, and we've got a
video up on YouTube that you can sort of watch
all of this. On a couple of instances in the
city in Brisbanese, what I did was they had a
curate a driver route, and I'm like, I'm immediately going
to change that because I want to go to Bunnings.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I want to see what it's like not on a
driver rout.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
There's obviously a Saturday morning you want a sausage of bread,
and yeah, immediately.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
As I sort of deviated from their driver it made
a couple of pretty serious eras, one of which was
like driving across oncoming traffic basically and I had to
take control of the car. And then the other was
at Bunning's where it just failed to give way to
another car that had right of way. So it was
interesting to me as well because I always understood that
this system takes all the data from customers that drive
(32:19):
Teslas and then creates like an AI model of how
to operate.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Well, there's your first mistake.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
No, but that's what people think. But the way that
it actually works, based on the discussion I had with
one of their engineers that we weren't allowed to quote
or include in any of the content, was that they
globally have what they call safe drivers, and these will
be people that are paid by Tesla to drive around
in Tesla's in learning mode, and it will teach the
car rules, so things like, if you're on a freeway
(32:47):
and you need to change lanes, how much space do
you safely need to do that?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
So is it two meters?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Is it five to ten? The car then knows that
next time it recognizes that it's on a freeway through
its camera system, that it can change lanes because it
says that there is five meters between those cars. It
knows how to respond to a speed hump, it knows
how to respond to a human in front of it,
a school crossing zone. So it learns all of these
things because Teslas don't have radars or lighters, they just
(33:14):
use camera vision. And that to me is a bit
concerned because the only other experience I've had in an
autonomous car was in Los Angeles in a weaymow where
that was unreal. That was a really cool experience. But
there was no one else in the car. It's just
my wife and I, no one driving, it's just the
car doing it. But that has that has all sorts
of senses on top of it. Side that's got lighter
or something, it's got light radar, it's got ultrasonic senses
(33:36):
like it is fully loaded. So the next obvious question
you're going to ask, can I bat one out in
a Tesla's that's correct, Yes you can. There's quite a
few porn videos of people doing it while they're on
self driving mode. So I question whether these teslas can
pick up the what do we call it, what's the
(33:56):
word the supervision?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
The supervision.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, well, actually it's funny they have so when you're running.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Just normal autopilot, which comes stand in in all teslas,
it requires you to like bump the wheel every certain
interval like twenty seconds or something. These cars, because you
don't need to touch the wheel, they still need to
monitor you. So there's actually a camera inside the car
that looks at your face and it's able to use
AI to determine whether you're concentrating, so it's not like
one of those shitty systems you find in a lot
(34:24):
of Chinese cars today where you look out the window
to literally do a head check and you're distracted. Yeah,
it's like no fucking driving the car. So it does
a really good good job with that. Then what it'll
do is if you are distracted, such as having intercourse
with someone in the passenger seat, what it will do
is is start prompting you to intervene, and if you
ignore it, it will basically shut full self driving down
(34:47):
for that whole session, so you won't be able to
reactivate it. And it logs that as well.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It almost gives you a warning.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Pretty much like and it logs the amount of strikeouts
you've had, so that if you are in an accident
like this guy as part of that court case, actually
mentioned how many strikeouts he'd previously had, so he had
a history of being distracted while driving. Oh, which you
obviously shouldn't have. Because it takes a lot of fucking
effort to get this thing to do a strikeout due
to distraction like it.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Is, it is a lot of work, so did you
test that a little bit? Did you try kind of
like close your eyes?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Tested it previously in a standard Tesla and it actually
came to a full stop and put its hazard lights
on from memory, so it managed that whole process. But
because we're on public rids, I don't want to fath
too much with it. But there were there were a
couple of other sort of interesting things, like we went
through a roadwork zone on the freeway. It dropped to
eighty and the roadwork zone finished, and we'd passed like
(35:39):
two sets of one hundred signs, but it was still
just doing eighty and it wasn't until the third one
that it sped up again, and it's like that's annoying.
And then another one where it entered around about like
you didn't even slow down for it, which would be
fine to do if you could see everything, but there
was a motorbike coming.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Oh god. I was like a lot. Got a bad
feeling about this self drive ship.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I really just this is this is supervised.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
So they're their ambition for this is the robo taxi,
which is basically where your car while you're here at work,
your car will drive off and do uberfore you and
generate you an income.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
That's amazing. But it's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
It's well, I thought so was well until I looked
at the practicality of it. If I look at my
wife's car, it is as if there was like a
small nuclear reactor that exploded. It was like a mini
Chernobyl inside her car because there is ship everywhere. Can
you imagine her just parking that at work and it
going to pick up someone and just having to get.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Like she's got ibs to.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
That too.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
But you just imagine all the you have to clean
your car.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I just I don't like that concept, but I imagine
imagine that though, like you get your car returned or whatever,
and there's just like a fucking Grogan and just someone's
bloody chicken corma sitting under the seat.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Oops. So yeah, I think it's It's an interesting and
I am excited for the technology eventually working. I just
don't know that it's quite there just yet. And I'm
glad it's still supervised. We're still a long way away
from And that's the other thing. This is still technically
a level two autonomous system, and a level too autonomous
system is no different to radar cruise control in a
(37:17):
Masda too, so they're technically classed as the same system,
even though with a Masda too the car will prompt
you a thousand times and it won't let you let
go of the wheel, whereas this will allow.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You to have nothing on the car. So how much
do you think this costs?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I think it costs ten thousand dollars per play, A
lot of money. Yeah, it's a love for It's a
lot of money for an upgrade.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Isn't it. Yeah, I think they're going to They're doing
a monthly subscription in the States. I'm pretty sure it's
like ninety nine US dollars a month, so it'll probably
be about one hundred and fifty bucks here a month,
which a lot of money. People where I think this
might actually come in handy. Both dad and my brother
do night shift work and have to drive about eighty
ks to get to their job. There's a lot of
times where they will come home feeling very tired, or
(38:04):
they'll have to pull over on the side of the
road to have a power nap. It could be good
for people like that where if you are on a
longer distance drive, obviously you can't sleep while you're driving
in the car. But to prevent the type of accidents
we see a lot with micro sleeps and really drowsy drivers,
this could be a good stop gap. Obviously you should
always be stopping and having a power nap, but it
(38:25):
could come in handy as a backup for people like that.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It could actually be handy for people who are who
like incapable of driving a car as well.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Well. You look at older people the amount of times
and it's funny. It's actually not funny, but the amount
of times they try and make it like a whimsical
thing where they go, oh, they can use the break
for the throttle. It's going to be one time where
someone does that and you're going to kill someone. And
so far it's been quite minor accidents. But like old people,
this is great. They still have their freedom behind the wheel.
(38:54):
They're not confined to getting taxis and all this other stuff.
You can still, in theory be sitting in the car
and they probably have sufficient control to take over if
something goes wrong, but they're not required to be fully
in charge, which at the moment some older people struggle with.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Hmm hmm. I wonder if someone with no arms could
drive one of these.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Technically, no, because you have to be able to press
buttons on the screen. Maybe if you could press the
button on the screen somehow, press it with your nose, Yeah,
press it with your tongue. I'm not laughing. Okay, so neither.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
I'm not laughing at that. That was just qu'd clean
the screen at the same time. Speed a long night?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Is that anyway?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Is that fingers mudges on the screen?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
There?
Speaker 1 (39:49):
No, it's it's the tongue. Jesus Christ, Oh Jesus, you
wouldn't want to have it causing that. Garen then just
(40:09):
licked a screen. Oh anyway, anyway, anyway, driver less cars.
Oh hey, I think that's it. I thank god.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I should mention that. Next week we've got a pretty
exciting guest on Rosso.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
We had Rosy, which is an interesting interview, but this
time Rosso is going to join us, so we're gonna
chat with him.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
We'll try and give away some copies of his book
as well. Yeah, yeah, cool, we'll have a listen to that.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
But yeah, if you got any feedback, contact at the
Drivers Show dot com dot au.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Make sure you get in touch. Let us know what
you like and don't like, which that's probably not a
bad idea.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I don't we've ever asked for feedback. Yeah, we have, okay, and.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
A lot of people say they don't like this show.
That was just mainly you just mainly that out like me,
we didn't get the drivers with Paul, Paul and Trevor.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
That's got a good ring to it. And Steph stop,
what are you laughing at it?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (41:14):
I was just thinking about you putting that car in
automatic drive. Let's go for a car review, Steph, worry.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Hey, you know what we didn't talk about the new
prel lude prelude We can you leave that to another episode.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I'll actually be driving it in Tokyo.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
So yeah, let me know how powerless that car is.
What a hybrid piecea but wow, oh I had the
young da Ionic nine too. That's the key.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Ev It's an interesting with think.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's got quite the ass on it doesn't it.
It's it's kind of like the front of the car
was like the people who designed the front of the
car didn't really speak to the people who designed the back.
And we're like, hey, we've got this bold future in mind.
We're going to do forward thinking avant Garde and the
people who did the back went, we're going for a
fucking nineteen eighties Volvo station Wagon.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
It's also very expensive.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
It's very expensive, one hundred and twenty thousand dollars. I'll
tell you what it does do well. It does do
the interior quite well. It is quite a nice plush interior,
and it is quick. I mean for a big ass car,
it's like a five second car. But also it's soulless.
You know, these evs, I'm starting to get a bit mere.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Well, the interesting thing is the Santa Fe is such
a good car. I just don't know why you wouldn't
just buy that and save yourself, like fifty sixty seventy however,
many thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah, surely that's just a better thing. Oh you know
what I saw the other day, the Young Day Palisade,
the new Palisade.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Oh yeah, nice, it's a nice looking car.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Again, going to be expensive though, I reckon kit it out.
I mean, Young Day are doing really cool interiors. But anyway,
we went off track.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, oh yeah, feedback, let us know what you like
and don't like, and if what do you think we
should review next? Yeah, let us leave us a rating
if you haven't done so, because that definitely helps us
as one as its five stars.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I think you've done all the housekeeping. Gordy and three
guys in an EV Oh yeah, three guys on a
TV you, Trevor and fucking Fenech. All right, eh, I
think I know. Let me think of my own scenario.
Gordon and Tom Baker. That could be fun. Oh no, no, wait,
(43:41):
wait wait.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
The dirty Sanchez you could call it that the show.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Don't be a brand noser? What about? What about? What
about Gordon and the Castles guy? What's that kid? What's
that guy's name?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
A brand mat?
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Would you call him? Did you call him fat brown?
Jesus Christ, don't say that. Actually, I reckon if I
had a competition with that guy, I reckon I could
probably out drink him, because I reckon I've got a
better suit of tits in him.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Anyway, this is this is definitely gone downhill in next week,
hopefully for a much better show.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Bye, Gordon and Nadine. What's their face is?
Speaker 4 (44:29):
No?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
You know I'm gonna say to me, don't you?
Speaker 3 (44:35):
I know?
Speaker 1 (44:36):
With with that four balls in a four balls and
a parentids, we're out there. Bye. I Love you. The
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Speaker 2 (45:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
Sounds good.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
This is gonna look so good on my tinder. The
Driver's Show with Paul Marrick and Gordy Waters. So everyone's
been wondering where Paul is and the Melbourne Gangland Wars
have got him. He's been masheddied up.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
All I did was try to open a tobacco store. Yeah,
here we are.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, and you've got a couple of fire bombs, a
couple of our cocktail bombs thrown in. Do you know
that happens regularly at a place right up the road
from me. You can tell this guy, this guy, this
guy is clearly not playing ball with the with the
cigarette mafia. And he's like, you know, no, no, I'm
just gonna I'm gonna do by the real deal, and
(01:08):
the bikes and whatever are just like.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
See up, we don't think so.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, like once a month this poor bastard shop windows
get smashed in.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
We we actually, I know there's had nothing to do
with cars. But where we used to live in South Melbourne,
they popped up a tobacco store. I'm like, oh, you're
you're fucked.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Which whereabouts was that one?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
There was one that had a car driven through it
and then set on fire. This was a different one,
but straight after it opened, was that.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The Clarendon That was the one on Clarendon in New
York Street. Yeah, but this is a different one because
that building. Yeah my dad, yeah yeah, he coming back,
coming back to collect some debt. Yeah. It's all LinkedIn
with the Mercedes bends.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Now so straight after.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
These guys opened, they installed like military grade ballards bars
on all the windows, shutters just to sell a pack
of smokes. Lovely so anyway, yeah, but yeah, how good
is Victoria?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Victoria is?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It is?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It has gone downhill, like you wouldn't believe. There's taxes
on everything. Crime is completely out of control. If the
police aren't busy doing a protest, they're searching for a
guy in the forest. They just do not have time
to actually do any actual police work anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It feels weird as an outsider looking in and someone
who grew up in Melbourne, someone who's still kind of
considered it home. It's so weird to watch just the
decline from from COVID with old mate Dan Andrews to
what I mean, what a fucking debarcle that was? How
is he?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And this is now completely off carspic.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
In case you've just joined us, this is what really
grunds your gears with Gordon Pavli.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
How was he in the picture with Kim johng wound.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So fitting gee putin?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I'm like you, mate, you do not care, you just
have He's.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Just lost the plight, hasn't he. He is a piece
of fucking work. Yeah anyway, Yeah? Is he a member
of the Portsa Golf Club?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yet not anymore?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
My mate Steve Price fixed that up.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Good, good on him. Have you been, in the words
of mister g where have you been, bitch? Where have
you bloody been?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Here, there and everywhere? And we're going to be talking
about one particular thing today, which is a tesla drove
me around on its own. H. I only had to
intervene a couple of times, but drove me around on
its own. So we'll talk about that happened. That was
on the streets of Melbourne Brisbane. Ah.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I was going to say, you could have run into
a couple of gangs or something, the.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Lines, the jacks, the gypsies. But yeah, I've been there.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I went to China, did I've just been everywhere a
lot and just haven't had time to do a podcast
with you. But I thought Steph did a great job.
Trevor not so much.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Look, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But can I just tell you something Trevor didn't do
actually when he was on the episode. Just give it
a second. Yeah, that's silence. Fucking couldn't do it. I
just couldn't stop fucking talking.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
There was there's actually a moment you can hear in
that episode where I just gave up, and it's about
two minutes in.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Look, I usually thought it was a really good episode,
so I know you didn't think that, but I thought
it was great.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And by the way, trev the problem is, trev is
looking really thin now and he's looking good, like I
don't have much to tease him about because I'm now
the fattest.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Ship in the room. How that chair is buckling?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah? You know who I reckons in danger Eddie McGuire's
neck because it looks like it's hiding under my chin.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I just think any.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Of those you know, moms with eight kids who win
a cherry on the Today Show, if trev just he will,
he will ravish them.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Come and see the real fucking key carnival, Carnival in
my pants, fucking up it's room right, Oh good, but
Trevor Trevor for fucking long. What a what a debacle
that was? But yeah, look he's he's trimmed up, he's
looking good. He won't shut up, and yeah he's sort
(05:13):
of yeah yeah, he's definitely like like king of the
Hollywood Moms. Now, like you can just tell he'd go
down to the soccer practice and like and troll for pulse.
He just totally would near the tuck shop.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Anyway. So what else has been happening? Oh the bloody
A couple of cars that I've been driving. Let's let's
do a bit of back and forth. So I got
my hands on a care tasmin.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Oh yeah, m it's something.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It's a it's a big girl. It's a big girl.
I mean, yeah, donnad could sleep in the back. Oh yeah,
that's that's how big it is. That's like Donna Dad Trey.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yeah, Jesus, like the where the headlights are it looks like, yeah,
that looks like Donna's side under tit just that real
Wooby Goldberg style tit just come go and like you
go and give.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Her a nipple cripple. But you're sort of somewhere near
the side nipple gribbler.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
At a backscrap, so they both happened at the same time.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, don't get me exherded Pavly. The design.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Look, I said this in my video.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
And people were, no, you're just on the tank from Gia.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
The design.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I don't personally like it, but styling is subjective. People
will either love it or hate it. And in our
comments on the video.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
It's genuinely fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
There are fifty.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Percent of people who love the design and fifty percent
who hate it. And to me, it's like, I don't
care what you buy. If you I'm telling you what
it's like from a analytical point of view, what it's
like to drive and operate as a dual cab. You
the design and couldn't really give a shit about The
only comment I had on the design was that the
position of the headlights will make it tricky for anyone
that does proper off roading because you're going to smash
the shit out of those things on errand branches and
(07:04):
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But outside of that, car's fine.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
We actually just it's going live tomorrow as we record this,
but we'll be live by the time you hear it.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
We publish a towing video, and it's not great at towing.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
We had a lot of issues with the stability control
just randomly coming on when it was driving. The brake
controller causes the brake lights to flash on a million
miles an hour randomly. There's just a couple of things
that they really should have ironed out during the engineering
process that they clearly have just totally.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Missed, especially when this car. There's a lot of eyes
on this car, and there's a lot of critical noise
about it as well. They really kind of should have
dived into that. The towing is bad news. But yeah, look,
I mean this is day two. I can barely really
talk about much, but the interior is nice. Interior is fine.
(07:56):
It's fine, it's fine. Do you know what I found
weird in the interior. There's several reminders to tell you
how big the car is. Like if you look at
like there's this weird sort of tray in the Senate console,
then you lift the lid up of the Senate console
and it's under that as well.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
So they've kind of copied Ram. Ram does that with
the fifteen hundred and other RAM models. Problem with all
of that is that it doesn't take into account like
if you get the toe kit, you've a toebar sticks
out which extends the length of the vehicle. If you
get a bullbar, it changes the length of the vehicle.
If you get different tires, it's no longer the same height.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You got a lift kit. It's so it's kind of
a weird thing to have.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
But I feel like it's more of an aesthetic, to
be honest, I honestly do I think the inside's like nice,
it's good. I mean it's you're looking at, say the
interior of the BYD Shark, which I think is better.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yep. Well, which variant you're driving tasman X Pro yep,
that's the top spec, so yes, because it's.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Got the little tray, the little Heidi hole above the
wheel arch.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah. The other thing as well is that that also,
just from a technical standpoint, everything but the x Pro
has a manually locking rear diff. Everything else has an
auto locking rear diff, which I think is just the
worst creation ever to exist on a dual cab that
you want to go off roading, because it will wait
for a delta in wheel speed on the rear axle
and then it will just lock the rear diff just
out of nowhere, and it can become really problematic if
(09:18):
it snaps sideways on you and you're not expecting it.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Why there isn't just a button is just so strange.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It must be a cost saving thing, because I cannot
think of any positive reason you would not have a
button to lock the rear diff.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And it's pretty like commonplace too.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, and that one also, The top Speck also has
the speed variable hill descent and ascent. The rest of
them just have a standard hill descent control. From an
off road perspective, the tasment is excellent based on the
testing we've done, but only in the Xpro because you
step down to the X line. It does weird stuff
like you've got the rear diff that can't be manually locked.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It will change up gears on its own, so if you're.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Doing a hill climb in low range and first gear,
it'll just go here's second for you, and I'm like no,
because it will just stop your movement entirely and like
send you backwards. It is stuff like that. I just
find so strange why they've engineered these things. It's really weird.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Have they sort of thought to themselves, we're just going
to classify the X Pro as the only four wheel
drive going car.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Maybe it's just a weird thing on a seventy something
thousand dollars car.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And it is bloody expensive.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
It's actually the same or slightly more expensive than a
V six Ford range of WildTrack.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So you're getting and.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You're getting more, you're getting more in that's just getting.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
A much better engine for towing and doing all the
other stuff you need to do. But in saying that,
the engine is actually far punchier than the numbers would suggest.
Because it's on paper it should be not that great,
but I found it to be pretty good, with the
only real downside being the gearbox.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It hunts a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And the reason they've done that is because it's down
on talk and if they basically have a hyperactive gearbox,
it feels more responsive to the driver because it's always
in the right gear. Had they not have had that,
you'd be constantly trying to lean on the talk band
to get it to move, or slipping back through gears,
which would become problematic if you're trying to move fast.
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It's it'll be interesting to see how this sells, and
I know they obviously want to move units. I found
it interesting when Steph Coombs came in here and she
was at the launch. They were aiming somewhere about being
number four in the market, which I find a weird
place to be. They reckon their main competition is the
B White Shark. I'm like, well, okay, you're looking at
(11:34):
a car that's probably obviously not going to toe with
the Shark. Different Yeah, yeah, it was a weird one.
The Shark is far cheaper.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's yeah, I don't know, it'll be interesting to see
how it goes out.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And they've put what they've done to is they've put
a lot of money in this car and marketing. Yeah,
that's what I mean, like, not not just into the
actual car, but into the marketing of the car. Like
the launches were nuts. Steph was saying she went to
the launch where they did like Tasmin Town or something,
and I think it took over a town. Yeah. Yeah,
(12:13):
I think a football player cupped her on the tit.
I'm not sure he was paid to do that. I'm
just throwing around allegation. She's gonna kill me, I'm kidding.
But yeah, they've put a lot of money into this
thing and it'll be interesting to see where it goes.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah. So yeah, I was just a random other thing
as well, because we had nothing to do on a Saturday.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
That sounds like it's like a pretty normal weekend here.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Melbourne four by four show was on and I said
to my brothers, we take the kids. And my daughter's four,
his kids are four and six. They thought it was
like a show like the circus where things happen. So
the first mistake is we took kids because when we
got there, like, oh, when when's the show on? And
I'm like, we're at the show. It's all these stationary
(12:57):
things here and.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
All these old people Jinasa, So that was a bit grim,
but it was where are the monster Track's dad? No, No,
this is like it's just a big, full driving stand.
It stands there and we just look at it and
we talk about me and your uncle get together and
we bitch about your mum.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I was and thank you.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
To everyone that said hello to me. It was viewers.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
At celebrity, but it was.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It was incredible. It was jam packed. I didn't expect
it to be this busy. It was completely chockers. But
the amount of interest and activity in this space is
on another planet and you can see why AARB is
making so much money. They had at the ABS stand,
they literally had like ten tables where they were doing
quoting and every single seat was full with a line,
so you would sit down.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Get a quote, fear full drive based on stuff you'd seen.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Seen it their stand and scheduling to pay for it
and get it fitted, and every stand had different types
of equipment they were doing. I had a four x
four show with Lucas who runs the Springs four by
four park, and Mad Matt who also does a whole
bunch off roading as well. They were doing some cool
stuff at the maxis Mountain or whatever it was called.
(14:12):
So it was really cool to see and highly recommend
going next.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Year and take your kids, ma'am that.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I believe you did that.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
That's a rookie era.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, maybe take them out or something after us.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I bought them chips and stuff, so yeah, anyway, you're
a diatass.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Hey. You know what was interesting? I had an m
X five and I want to do a quick shout
out to Subtle and Masda for this bloody hell. You know,
it's funny because quite often we'll get together and we'll
bitch about car dealerships and how the service is going down.
They were actually really good, so shout out props to
where that is due. They were really nice. But it
did get me thinking, it's a how much is the
(14:52):
new MX five these days? About sixty roughly?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, good question. They used to be like a thirty
thousand dollars car.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah not anymore?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
How much?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Does the ask chat GPT car expert Gassost, I'll do
the same, hang on forty three grand.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It starts with for the roads to manual, so that
used to be a thirty something thousand dollars car and
it goes up to fifty two.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, not for that hard top.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
No, I think that's for the soft top. That's the
thirty fifth anniversary. This is Riveting Radio. Okay, So the
RF goes up to fifty seven twenty for the top speed.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
And then once you get that on the road, that's
about sixty. Yeah, this was a soft top, but I
know it was some sort of special edition had the
extra breaks and some tuning done in an engine fun car.
Don't get me wrong, right twenty twenty five, if they're
still using the little dial.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
For the connect for the thing is gross.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
For the Yeah, for the Apple car Play, and it was.
It was actually really difficult to do. You can, it's
stupid because it's like, once you're parked, you can use
it as a touch screen. Yeah, but once you're going
and you're on the go, you've got to use the
stupid toggle, which makes things way more Yeah. And I
sort of thought, why would anyone buy a brand new one,
(16:09):
buy one that's two years old or something like that,
the one that's got five ten thousand k's on it.
You're saving an absolute lot of coin and you're getting
the exact same car. I mean, driving wise, there's no
doubt about it. They're an iconic car for a reason,
but it still drives like a car that was driving
like that fifteen years ago. I'd probably get one without
(16:31):
all the bullshit because I didn't need it.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yea, yeah, I mean I don't disagree at all. Heaps
of people buy them. They say that in the Mustang.
I saw a graphic that this dude that follows the
car market does for Mustang where like in the top
five I think markets globally, which is crazy. Yeah, so
people love those sort of midlife crisis sports car style
things in Australia.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
That's me, Gordon, that is me. Yeah, must The new
Mustang looks good, looks good. It's expensive, a guzzle fuel,
fucking who cares? Sounds good, sounds fucking good. And I'm
gonna like this is gonna look so good on my Tinder.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
I'm got a fucking foto with me and my Maustang,
and I'm drinking some great Northern and I've got my
fucking Monster Energy drink flat cap on and like I've
just fucking finished sheet metal at Tafe and I've got
my life to get.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Up paid well paid.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Well, you know what I loved, You know what I
loved I had a Mini Cooper S. Yeah, I loved it,
loved it. This one had the JCW fit out.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I used to have a Cooper S. And it's amazing
how much they've changed in the last couple of years
because when I had mine, moments like back when they
were very you could really customize them, like you could
put whatever dash you wanted, whatever seats. So I had
these really great British lounge green leather seats and like
a wood grain dash, and it was, you know, it
(17:59):
was a game because with your genesis, you guessis stop
at Stephen. Yeah, what we're talking about. Yeah, So I
had the Cooper as and you know, that's such a
fun car.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It is.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Look before you say anything. It's interesting to see they've
they've done a different a bit of a different approach
nowadays where you don't really get as much choice as
you used to, and I get why. But this had
the JCW interior, which you can.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I do like that interior that Mini does that The
circular old led display is cool. It is a horrifically
bad info tamement system. It's laggy and just just shit
that at all. But the thing that disappoints me is
that they've taken all the j CW out of it.
The j CW used to have crackles and pops and
when it was super charged, you could hear everything that
(18:52):
was going on. This one. If you turn off the
interior sounds, it does not make any noise. The new
j c W is Yeah, like, what is this thing on? Like,
I just wish they would bring that back. Why can't
I just tick a box that says sports exhaust? That
is raucous and just angry because the rest of the
cars are really cool. I just think that they've just
missed a trick there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I haven't driven the JCW one yet. I'm really keen to,
especially the Countrymen. Yep, that's based on the X one,
right one, Yeah, what if they put They've just brought
out like a version of the X one, which is
kind of like an.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
M Yeah, I think it's the thirty five. I is
the X one, the hot one that basically is the
Countryman JCW. Yeah, but it's it's a fun car. It
goes really quick, like it's from all of that sort
of stuff. It's good, big breaks all that. But yeah,
just I just wish it could just have a bit
more personality.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, I wonder if they I wonder if you could
change out with an exhaust yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
After ma market. But it's the thing is with cars
these days, I just have so many emissions control devices
that I just take the life out of them. And
I just wish that if I'm paying for a JCW,
just you know, just let me ticke a box. I'll
sign a waiver.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Well, yeah, look, I liked it.
It was fun. It was still throw around. This was
the s which I thought was still plenty quick for
like the bloody as. I'm like, ah, this is this
has got some some throat to it. It's good fun.
It's still a little car in a way. It's still
it's getting bigger. Oh yeah, you know, it's definitely not
the little car it used to be, but I guess
(20:25):
it's a little by today's standards. Yeah, it's this beautiful color.
I don't want to know what the color was. It
was like a blue. It almost looked like a tiffany blue.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Wouldn't know what.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
That looks, really, you definitely wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
It was good.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
What have you driven lately?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, so did the Tasmin I spent some time in
the Ranger plug in hybrid.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Oh you know, it was snooze.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It was good, but not the one I Storm Track
or whatever it was called. It was obscenely over price
and never listened to the noise that was making. I
put this up on my Instagram and as well. Yeah,
instantly got a call from Ford because they were panicking
about the noise that it was making. But basically, I
went out to the drive I'd had it charging overnight,
went out to the driveway, turned it on so that
(21:16):
it would run the heater, but it was in ev
mode so the engine was not on. So I ever
listened to this. I was going to put it up
to the speaker. It's some rough sounds that have started.
So this is a cold start on full electric with
the battery pull.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
It sounds like something's rattling in that fan.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
So my theory, and they haven't confirmed this, but my
theory is when you get into a car like that, manufacturers,
depending on how they do it, they operate these in
two different ways. They either let you run it on
electric and just leave the internal combustion engine dormant and
just never even think about it, or what Ford appears
to do is even if you're running in full electric
(22:01):
it will circulate like some sort of heated liquid through
the internal combustion engine, so that when it does have
to fire up, you could be doing one hundred k's
now you don't want it to go straight to two
thousand rpm and just be sitting there red heavy load.
When we used to I used to do my engineering job,
(22:22):
we had.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
This isn't a linked in account.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, I'm so proud of my team because here's why
I did well. No, So, when I did my engineering job,
we worked at data centers, and data centers all have
these enormous generators that run if the electricity goes out.
So if the electricity goes out, data centers have battery
packs that take over immediately. Then generators start, and then
generators run the site for potentially weeks on end because
(22:48):
they've got huge fuel tanks. And what they would do
is when they were running generator tests, they would start
them in anger, which is where you basically turn it
on and load it up immediately. But those generators all
had like heat jackets that would run warm oil through
them so that when it started, you weren't starting a
cold engine and so that's what Fords doing. So but
(23:08):
the problem is that it sounds like whatever was running
on that car was like a pump of some sort
circulating fluid. Potentially I was parked on a hill and
it sounds like perhaps the pump wasn't able to access
the liquid that it was meant to be circulating. So yeah,
I don't know whether they actually tested a cold start
on a hill as part of the engineering program. But yeah,
(23:30):
a bit of a concerning one. And outside of that
car's fine. I just don't know why you'd bother buying.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
It's a lot of money too.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, the range is a woeful. It's like realistic thirty
kilometers of driving range, which is appalling. Yeah, you're better
off just buying like a BYD Shark or a cannon.
Like if you need to off road and tow, you
get the cannon. If you just want something quick and
electric and.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Get around town, you get the bid. Yeah, the Ford,
I just don't know why.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Anyone would buy it. So that's a bit of a
weird one.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Okay, we should talk about Tesla self driving f SD.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
They call it brackets supervised.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yes, I love that, which I wouldn't know what what
considers supervised or what do they call it? It's there's
a word like what you've kind of got to be
overlooking the car supervising? Yeah, not supervising. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I wish truth it was he I would be able
to talk lingo.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, probably industry chat, industry chat.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Fuck. While you're looking out, I think I think you
know what the probably the word. I think I probably
was looking for a supervised Yeah, I want to know
what what the what constitutes supervised? So you're letting the
car go drive, but you've got a supervisor.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Let me paint a picture first. So I get a
cryptic like phone call from Tip Gordy, this is I
just get an answer it up to this.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Hello, isn't you Darling?
Speaker 4 (25:03):
It's Donna.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
How you doing here?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You Darling? I fucking missed you a little perfectly.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I've been listening to that stupid podcast you do with
the the lesbian woman there, what's what's her name?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Gordon.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I've been having a little bit of a listen to
that lady. And you haven't been on Darland.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You've been in China.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
I got bloody the life the fucking scared ahead of me.
I thought he said, you're in a vagina joking.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
You would have you would you would have loved the
episode with Trevor right, he's a start.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Don't care for that hairy bastard. I don't care for him.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I looked at his back and it looks like one
of me flaps. I've got a blood I've just been
I've been visiting his sister there in Casina, and I've
got a new I've got a new your patient. I
want everyone to check it out. Now my nude thing,
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I've got a webshot and everything.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
What does that entail?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Well, if you ever fucking had a steam dim sim
I can fucking turn it fried in three seconds. I
can do it for once. Listen, I heard your bloody
talking about them self driving cars. I'll tell you something.
(26:48):
When I'm in the bits of shitty Sigma and I'm
telling my caravan, I can do a bit of self driving.
I'll fucking put the bloody steering wheel what you got
and then I just little love, I do need to
fucking shift left little.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And then just caught me.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Let you goes to the left.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Well, thank you. Thank you for the call.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Donna, don't forget about Donnas and stubby holders. Don't forget
to check out my website.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Donna's Hot, Jimmy's and teas.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
See Land.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I love you, but it was weird that your phone
would start going in the Military Professional podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I really shouldn't be taking phone calls while we're doing
that's she's got a mouth on it, hasn't she?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Who's that?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Donna?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
What's it? Donna? Yeah, I tune out.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I can't stand her language is disclosed, she's got she's
just very unclassy. She sounds very uncapped.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Well that's that's true.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, well you would know you've been there anyway.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
So what I was saying was I've got a cryptic
phone call from Tesla and they said at a breath mate,
It's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
So I've literally done four steps and I sound like
fucking Christophers case defeating himself.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Like Trevor six months ago.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Jesus, I think I'm going to get on the Trevor juice.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Oh yeah, So I got a cryptic phone call and like,
come up to Brisbane.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
We're doing an event and you know, we want you
to experience something and I thought they were going to
give us the Model Wide Performance to drive and I'm
like all right, can I bring the videographer and like yes,
but you need to pay for him to come. And
I'm like okay, they are the world's tightest car company.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
So I'm like, right, we'll cover the cost of that.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
So I flew up there with a videographer and we
went into this room and they're like, we're about to
roll out full self driving bracket, supervised bracket for Australia
and New Zealand. I was like, oh, this is exciting.
And we flew up to Mount Cotton, which is like
a driver training facility outside of Brisbane, and I thought
that was going to drive us around Mount Cotton. I
thought this is going to be stupid.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's like a it's a curated road that you've got here.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
It's not that special.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And they all right, so we've got some out the front.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You can go on a drive loop through to Brisbane
and back and I was like, whoa, okay, So we
set up all the cameras on the car activated full
self driving, which requires you to answer about thirty different disclaimers,
none of which I properly read. It then drove me
to the city like on its own. I literally just
had my hands behind the wheel and my feet near
(29:21):
the brakes.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
So did you have to put your hands on the wheel?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
You don't have to. It's not like autopilot where you
have to interact with it every twenty seconds. You do
not have to touch anything for the entirety of the drive.
And it will do everything from indicating breaking stopping, changing lanes,
stopping it roundabouts, going through it like it does everything.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
And like it was weird. I do you keep your
hands on your lap?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Well, technically you need to still be in control, right,
and this is one of the things like you can't.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
You've got to be what's the word I'm looking.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
For, supervising it right? The supervised. I have a question
if I am supervising right and having away? Yeah, well,
because that would be the first thing, you know. I
remember when I remember when mobile phones first got cameras.
The first thing I did was was philm a Willie and.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Two of those eight pixels were Jesus.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
He couldn't fit.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
According to a cop.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
That I spoke to in Queensland, he said that you
don't have to have your hands on the wheel as
long as you have control of the vehicle.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
So I think that's open to interpretation.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
And just as a really quick side note, Tesla has
been sued by that many people in the States I
have alleged autopilot crashes. They actually had to pay some
do two hundred and something million dollars to the family
he was involved in a crash, and the crazy thing
was that he allegedly wasn't even using autopilot. So they
said that no car would ever have been able to
(30:48):
stop the crash that he was in because he was
just not He dropped his phone or something went looking
for it. So the judge awarded the family thirty three
percent of damages, which equated to be like two hundred million.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
So Tesla's appealing that.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I don't know that they've had any successful convictions based
on it running on auto.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Public because Tesla is a little tricky with the way
they do things.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Every instance so far, they say that autopilot was disabled,
and based on some testing that the people have done
on the internet, it disables just before an impact or
a crash. So I was like, yeah, it was disabled
one third of a second before it crashed into the thing.
So yes, technically that's true, but anyway, look we've seen.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
An interesting kind of what an interesting kind of get
out of jail for free card. Like if you're saying, well,
we disabled it, like they've got every chance to correct it.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
No.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, So yeah, for the most part it worked well.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
There was a couple of instances, and we've got a
video up on YouTube that you can sort of watch
all of this. On a couple of instances in the
city in Brisbanese, what I did was they had a
curate a driver route, and I'm like, I'm immediately going
to change that because I want to go to Bunnings.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I want to see what it's like not on a
driver rout.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
There's obviously a Saturday morning you want a sausage of bread,
and yeah, immediately.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
As I sort of deviated from their driver it made
a couple of pretty serious eras, one of which was
like driving across oncoming traffic basically and I had to
take control of the car. And then the other was
at Bunning's where it just failed to give way to
another car that had right of way. So it was
interesting to me as well because I always understood that
this system takes all the data from customers that drive
(32:19):
Teslas and then creates like an AI model of how
to operate.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Well, there's your first mistake.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
No, but that's what people think. But the way that
it actually works, based on the discussion I had with
one of their engineers that we weren't allowed to quote
or include in any of the content, was that they
globally have what they call safe drivers, and these will
be people that are paid by Tesla to drive around
in Tesla's in learning mode, and it will teach the
car rules, so things like, if you're on a freeway
(32:47):
and you need to change lanes, how much space do
you safely need to do that?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
So is it two meters?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Is it five to ten? The car then knows that
next time it recognizes that it's on a freeway through
its camera system, that it can change lanes because it
says that there is five meters between those cars. It
knows how to respond to a speed hump, it knows
how to respond to a human in front of it,
a school crossing zone. So it learns all of these
things because Teslas don't have radars or lighters, they just
(33:14):
use camera vision. And that to me is a bit
concerned because the only other experience I've had in an
autonomous car was in Los Angeles in a weaymow where
that was unreal. That was a really cool experience. But
there was no one else in the car. It's just
my wife and I, no one driving, it's just the
car doing it. But that has that has all sorts
of senses on top of it. Side that's got lighter
or something, it's got light radar, it's got ultrasonic senses
(33:36):
like it is fully loaded. So the next obvious question
you're going to ask, can I bat one out in
a Tesla's that's correct, Yes you can. There's quite a
few porn videos of people doing it while they're on
self driving mode. So I question whether these teslas can
pick up the what do we call it, what's the
(33:56):
word the supervision?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
The supervision.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, well, actually it's funny they have so when you're running.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Just normal autopilot, which comes stand in in all teslas,
it requires you to like bump the wheel every certain
interval like twenty seconds or something. These cars, because you
don't need to touch the wheel, they still need to
monitor you. So there's actually a camera inside the car
that looks at your face and it's able to use
AI to determine whether you're concentrating, so it's not like
one of those shitty systems you find in a lot
(34:24):
of Chinese cars today where you look out the window
to literally do a head check and you're distracted. Yeah,
it's like no fucking driving the car. So it does
a really good good job with that. Then what it'll
do is if you are distracted, such as having intercourse
with someone in the passenger seat, what it will do
is is start prompting you to intervene, and if you
ignore it, it will basically shut full self driving down
(34:47):
for that whole session, so you won't be able to
reactivate it. And it logs that as well.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It almost gives you a warning.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Pretty much like and it logs the amount of strikeouts
you've had, so that if you are in an accident
like this guy as part of that court case, actually
mentioned how many strikeouts he'd previously had, so he had
a history of being distracted while driving. Oh, which you
obviously shouldn't have. Because it takes a lot of fucking
effort to get this thing to do a strikeout due
to distraction like it.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Is, it is a lot of work, so did you
test that a little bit? Did you try kind of
like close your eyes?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Tested it previously in a standard Tesla and it actually
came to a full stop and put its hazard lights
on from memory, so it managed that whole process. But
because we're on public rids, I don't want to fath
too much with it. But there were there were a
couple of other sort of interesting things, like we went
through a roadwork zone on the freeway. It dropped to
eighty and the roadwork zone finished, and we'd passed like
(35:39):
two sets of one hundred signs, but it was still
just doing eighty and it wasn't until the third one
that it sped up again, and it's like that's annoying.
And then another one where it entered around about like
you didn't even slow down for it, which would be
fine to do if you could see everything, but there
was a motorbike coming.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Oh god. I was like a lot. Got a bad
feeling about this self drive ship.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I really just this is this is supervised.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
So they're their ambition for this is the robo taxi,
which is basically where your car while you're here at work,
your car will drive off and do uberfore you and
generate you an income.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
That's amazing. But it's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
It's well, I thought so was well until I looked
at the practicality of it. If I look at my
wife's car, it is as if there was like a
small nuclear reactor that exploded. It was like a mini
Chernobyl inside her car because there is ship everywhere. Can
you imagine her just parking that at work and it
going to pick up someone and just having to get.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Like she's got ibs to.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
That too.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
But you just imagine all the you have to clean
your car.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I just I don't like that concept, but I imagine
imagine that though, like you get your car returned or whatever,
and there's just like a fucking Grogan and just someone's
bloody chicken corma sitting under the seat.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Oops. So yeah, I think it's It's an interesting and
I am excited for the technology eventually working. I just
don't know that it's quite there just yet. And I'm
glad it's still supervised. We're still a long way away
from And that's the other thing. This is still technically
a level two autonomous system, and a level too autonomous
system is no different to radar cruise control in a
(37:17):
Masda too, so they're technically classed as the same system,
even though with a Masda too the car will prompt
you a thousand times and it won't let you let
go of the wheel, whereas this will allow.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You to have nothing on the car. So how much
do you think this costs?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I think it costs ten thousand dollars per play, A
lot of money. Yeah, it's a love for It's a
lot of money for an upgrade.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Isn't it. Yeah, I think they're going to They're doing
a monthly subscription in the States. I'm pretty sure it's
like ninety nine US dollars a month, so it'll probably
be about one hundred and fifty bucks here a month,
which a lot of money. People where I think this
might actually come in handy. Both dad and my brother
do night shift work and have to drive about eighty
ks to get to their job. There's a lot of
times where they will come home feeling very tired, or
(38:04):
they'll have to pull over on the side of the
road to have a power nap. It could be good
for people like that where if you are on a
longer distance drive, obviously you can't sleep while you're driving
in the car. But to prevent the type of accidents
we see a lot with micro sleeps and really drowsy drivers,
this could be a good stop gap. Obviously you should
always be stopping and having a power nap, but it
(38:25):
could come in handy as a backup for people like that.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It could actually be handy for people who are who
like incapable of driving a car as well.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Well. You look at older people the amount of times
and it's funny. It's actually not funny, but the amount
of times they try and make it like a whimsical
thing where they go, oh, they can use the break
for the throttle. It's going to be one time where
someone does that and you're going to kill someone. And
so far it's been quite minor accidents. But like old people,
this is great. They still have their freedom behind the wheel.
(38:54):
They're not confined to getting taxis and all this other stuff.
You can still, in theory be sitting in the car
and they probably have sufficient control to take over if
something goes wrong, but they're not required to be fully
in charge, which at the moment some older people struggle with.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Hmm hmm. I wonder if someone with no arms could
drive one of these.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Technically, no, because you have to be able to press
buttons on the screen. Maybe if you could press the
button on the screen somehow, press it with your nose, Yeah,
press it with your tongue. I'm not laughing. Okay, so neither.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
I'm not laughing at that. That was just qu'd clean
the screen at the same time. Speed a long night?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Is that anyway?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Is that fingers mudges on the screen?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
There?
Speaker 1 (39:49):
No, it's it's the tongue. Jesus Christ, Oh Jesus, you
wouldn't want to have it causing that. Garen then just
(40:09):
licked a screen. Oh anyway, anyway, anyway, driver less cars.
Oh hey, I think that's it. I thank god.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I should mention that. Next week we've got a pretty
exciting guest on Rosso.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
We had Rosy, which is an interesting interview, but this
time Rosso is going to join us, so we're gonna
chat with him.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
We'll try and give away some copies of his book
as well. Yeah, yeah, cool, we'll have a listen to that.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
But yeah, if you got any feedback, contact at the
Drivers Show dot com dot au.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Make sure you get in touch. Let us know what
you like and don't like, which that's probably not a
bad idea.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I don't we've ever asked for feedback. Yeah, we have, okay, and.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
A lot of people say they don't like this show.
That was just mainly you just mainly that out like me,
we didn't get the drivers with Paul, Paul and Trevor.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
That's got a good ring to it. And Steph stop,
what are you laughing at it?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (41:14):
I was just thinking about you putting that car in
automatic drive. Let's go for a car review, Steph, worry.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Hey, you know what we didn't talk about the new
prel lude prelude We can you leave that to another episode.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I'll actually be driving it in Tokyo.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
So yeah, let me know how powerless that car is.
What a hybrid piecea but wow, oh I had the
young da Ionic nine too. That's the key.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Ev It's an interesting with think.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's got quite the ass on it doesn't it.
It's it's kind of like the front of the car
was like the people who designed the front of the
car didn't really speak to the people who designed the back.
And we're like, hey, we've got this bold future in mind.
We're going to do forward thinking avant Garde and the
people who did the back went, we're going for a
fucking nineteen eighties Volvo station Wagon.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
It's also very expensive.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
It's very expensive, one hundred and twenty thousand dollars. I'll
tell you what it does do well. It does do
the interior quite well. It is quite a nice plush interior,
and it is quick. I mean for a big ass car,
it's like a five second car. But also it's soulless.
You know, these evs, I'm starting to get a bit mere.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Well, the interesting thing is the Santa Fe is such
a good car. I just don't know why you wouldn't
just buy that and save yourself, like fifty sixty seventy however,
many thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah, surely that's just a better thing. Oh you know
what I saw the other day, the Young Day Palisade,
the new Palisade.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Oh yeah, nice, it's a nice looking car.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Again, going to be expensive though, I reckon kit it out.
I mean, Young Day are doing really cool interiors. But anyway,
we went off track.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, oh yeah, feedback, let us know what you like
and don't like, and if what do you think we
should review next? Yeah, let us leave us a rating
if you haven't done so, because that definitely helps us
as one as its five stars.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I think you've done all the housekeeping. Gordy and three
guys in an EV Oh yeah, three guys on a
TV you, Trevor and fucking Fenech. All right, eh, I
think I know. Let me think of my own scenario.
Gordon and Tom Baker. That could be fun. Oh no, no, wait,
(43:41):
wait wait.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
The dirty Sanchez you could call it that the show.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Don't be a brand noser? What about? What about? What
about Gordon and the Castles guy? What's that kid? What's
that guy's name?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
A brand mat?
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Would you call him? Did you call him fat brown?
Jesus Christ, don't say that. Actually, I reckon if I
had a competition with that guy, I reckon I could
probably out drink him, because I reckon I've got a
better suit of tits in him.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Anyway, this is this is definitely gone downhill in next week,
hopefully for a much better show.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Bye, Gordon and Nadine. What's their face is?
Speaker 4 (44:29):
No?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
You know I'm gonna say to me, don't you?
Speaker 3 (44:35):
I know?
Speaker 1 (44:36):
With with that four balls in a four balls and
a parentids, we're out there. Bye. I Love you. The
Driver Show Podcast is looking for a sponsor. The proceeds
will be used to fulfill Paul and Gordy's last long
dream of bringing back the Go Go Mobile.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
But this son isn't easy.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Is that the best idea ever? Or what? Keane? Drop
us a line at contact at The Driver's Show Podcast
dot com dot you send.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Us a DM on our Instagram page.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
We'd love to work with you.
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