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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh jeeze, Okay, yeah yeah. Olivia is just having a
cough and a little This is produced Olivia.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I can't Oliver.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
She's a car enthusiast, produces The Driver's Show podcast and
tells us what to do. Pabli is not here, No,
where is he he is?

Speaker 4 (00:39):
He's channing his little butt off, isn't he in Croatia.
He's a little butt little, not too big, not too small. Hey,
Jesus said.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I definitely definitely will be. You've been looking at his.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Ass only that one time when you touched it.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, I looked. In all fairness to me, he was
doing a pressed fruit bowl up against the glass of
the studio doors. That's what happened. Wow, that was let's
just say that fruit was out of season. There was
a serious, serious fruit fly issue going on that day anyway.

(01:21):
So what we thought we'd do today is best of
the guests of twenty twenty four. So we've got Dave
McCowan from news dot com dot au, Frank Cassidy, who
owns an exquisite Porsche collection a complex called Boxing Gas,
which is I think he's in the middle of the
UK countryside. But he's an incredible man with an incredible
Porscha collection. You can see it all on Instagram. But

(01:43):
the chat is coming up soon. And also just to
take the heat off some legal dramas with Trevor Long,
we decided to put him on.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I don't know why, but he is coming up. I
don't know what else we need to tell everyone. You're
will trying to buy or looking at buying the Zuzuki Jimney,
which we were just talking about off air. Which color
do you like? Do you like the blue one or
the green?

Speaker 4 (02:05):
I was thinking green? You blends in with the grass
if I need to go through the rainforest, okay, But
if anybody is selling a Jymney wants to sponsor me
with the Jymney sponsor, if they'll allow me a short
term loan just so I can get used to it.

(02:27):
See if I really wanted dealers car dealership should be
doing that.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Why didn't you get one and I get one? Do
you know what I've always wanted to do, Get a
couple of Jymneys and play that giant game of soccer
that they did on Top Gear the Arena Special Star
which with the big balls. Okay, leave Paul out of this,
it's getting weird.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
That's ways in Croatia.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
So yes, best of the guests coming up. Can we
just get into it? Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
How we should introduce Dave mccowan's here. Can we give
a little clap? Yay from news dot Com. You or
to be a lot more professional content director for News
Corp Australia. Welk and take Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
Yeah, that's quite the introduction.

Speaker 6 (03:08):
I've known you for ages. Gordie has about five minutes.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, that's it. They're already best is that's fine.

Speaker 6 (03:14):
Yeah, that's it. You've kind of moved into a new
role at News Limited. Tell us about what you're doing
now in the car scene.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Yeah, I've been writing about cars for a long time
and it's a lot more than writing now. I'm a
they call it the content director, but basically just get
to get to steer the ship on how we cover
cars as a company. And that's yeah. It's a huge promotion.
It's a lot of a lot of fun, a lot
of video, a lot of a lot of interesting stuff.
And trying to find things that appeal to a really
broad audience. When you're looking at things like news dot com.

(03:42):
You've got thirty million people a month going to the
website and most of them, yeah, and most of them
don't want to watch twenty minute long car videos and
things like that. So we are doing things a bit differently.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
Yeah, that is a good point because often our editorial
guys get lost in this world of covering car content
for and not necessarily enthusiasm, but it's very niche car content,
whereas news is like you're talking to the guy down
the street who doesn't know anything about electric cars, and
most of those people hate them, which is understandable, but yeah,

(04:15):
it is. It is a much different, i guess scope
to doing that. And you guys are going a lot
on video now as well. And I've been watching some
of the stuff that you've been doing a lot of
vertical format, sort of real type stuff. How do you
kind of differentiate doing stuff for News Limited on the
video front compared to what you would have done previously
at like Fairfax, for example, in a specific car role.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
Yeah, back in the day at Drive, you know, we
Drive was very good at video A long time ago
was really one of the pioneers for it. I mean
back in the day before there was b roll or
anything like that. There's no video crews attending car launchers.
I used to bring a DV camera and a tripod
to like a Mercedes event at Sandown and then just
like try and move the thing around and shoot my
own stuff, and it was absolute. It was a horror show.

(05:00):
And then, you know, like everyone, we moved with the times.
And then, yeah, a couple of years ago. I've been
at News for five six years now, and we've really
gone down the vertical video path because TikTok has as
we all know, broken society, and everyone wants to consume
just a few seconds here and there.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
Of he's quite a lot more than a few seconds,
especially with the.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's just because I'm an influencer now. Yeah, to Paul's point, though,
it's an interesting position to now be in. I mean, effectively,
content has changed, and in some ways it must be
a cool spot to kind of be calling the shots
because we still want to see epic bird's eye shots
and sweeping drone shots, but also it's very raw and

(05:49):
authentic as well, where like anyone can kind of grab
a mobile and just shoot and have a go. And
that's that's just as interesting, you know.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Yeah, it's crazy, that isn't it. I Mean, we do
the vertical thing a lot of work, but you know,
I'm on TikTok and all that sort of stuff as well,
And all the most successful videos I've had on TikTok
have been completely raw and personal, like I did one
this year that was I've been out for a run,
believe it or not, and there was.

Speaker 6 (06:14):
A sick were you running from the cops?

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Well, I ran into the cops. There's this this hoirovatog guy.
I had backed up a cycling lane and then parked
across it, basically blocking this running path and cycling lane,
and set up there in an unmarked car sniping people
on a bridge during double demerits. And I had to
chat with him off camera and basically said, hey, you know,
I'm not sure that this is the right thing to
be doing, and he basically took me to jog on,
so so I did, and then did he yeah? And

(06:39):
then I thought, nah, I'm sufficiently outraged about this, but
I think other people might be as well. And so
I filmed this little video and it went bananas millions
and millions of views, and which is really funny because
you put all this effort into producing really exquisite stuff
and doing stuff with drones and b roll and slow
MA and all that sort of stuff, and it gets
two thousand views and then you just do a quick
hold your phone up in front of your face and

(07:00):
about the cops not looking after people.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
That was crazy. I think the difference is it's kind
of one is a very authentic, sort of at the
moment story, and one is a narrative. Do you know
what I mean?

Speaker 6 (07:11):
Yeah, yeah, Well you know the thing I remember when
when you did that. I looked at that and I mean,
that is just so shit. Like I get, you know,
you're enforcing speed and whatever. That's that's a different story.
But when you're parking across a cycling lane and the
worst thing, I've said this before on the podcast, it's
just such a shit image. When you've got police in
Victoria and New South Wales getting about in X fives

(07:32):
and five series digging people for speeding, it's like, hold on,
you're in one hundred and twenty thousand dollars card the
look here, and then to just park your five series
straight across the cycling lane. Because you know I'm better
than you. It's like, nah, fuck that. I find that
highly insulting and I'm glad you stood up to them.
And the best part was that he would have then
just while he was sitting there to bone, someone been

(07:52):
flicking through news dot com today and gone, oh huh,
I think that was me.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Shit, that's me. I better move on myself. Yeah, that
was absolutely that was such a revenue raising kind of event,
just caught then and there.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
Yeah. Well, now, last episode I teased and teased and teased.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
He did you got your feathers out? You teased me
as hard as I like. It wasn't budging. In fact,
at one point I coughed dust out of it. I
think my penis would sound like Louis the Fla, just
a little cigar. She come on, you can't tease me

(08:35):
have But yes, so you went on a secret mission. Yes,
I'm going to try and guess was this mission? Was
this mission? Where was it?

Speaker 6 (08:43):
Mission possible? Was this one? It was? It all came
together nicely. Yeah, actually, well part of it didn't, which
we'll explain in a sec. But Dave was actually there
as well. It was the unveiling of the newness and patrol,
and that was the car that I was sort of
talking about. They flew us over to the Middle East.
Abu Dhabi was where they chose to launch the vehicle,
and funnily enough, on the day of the launch, these

(09:05):
images leaked of it and there were these blokes standing
around in their traditional dress and I was like, oh,
that's a bit weird. And then one of my friends,
who's one of the journalists over in the Middle East,
he goes, well, that was actually delivered to the shake
one of the sheikh's homes because as part of the
agreement of them being allowed to launch the vehicle in
Abu Dhabi, they had to show the vehicle to this

(09:28):
bloke ahead of the launch, and while the car was there,
they basically snapped a couple of picks, sent the brown
to a WhatsApp group and it leaked and even up
until ten seconds before everyone in the world saw this car.
They were wheeling the cars into the area where we
were completely camouflage. They had this thing dressed over the

(09:49):
car so you couldn't actually see. It was a very
funny joke, but I will definitely.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
There's an important people listening to this episode more reframe.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
Yes, so, but yeah, they wheeled this thing in and
then the second the car was there on the stage,
they took it off and the unveiling was incredible. They
had like a sand dune set up in this exhibition
center where the car sort of drove out onto and look.
I got to say, we've got a really close look
at the vehicle. And to me, I think this is
a quantum leap forward in terms of interior, what do

(10:20):
you reckon and just design in general.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
Yeah, it looks it looks amazing, and you can see
that the thing is basically like a Japanese rang drove
and they've gone they've gone for the moon with this,
and and under the bonet as well, you know, they
ditched the old V eight and put in a twin
turbo six with a.

Speaker 6 (10:33):
Little bit of feel about that.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
Well, the other day I had back to back niss
And bookings where I drove a Nissan Patrol Warrior with
its side pipes and its big of the dog.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
It's got a good sound though.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
It sounds incredible.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
And then and then I went back to back with
a Nismo Z and that sounds not incredible at all.
And that's supposed to be the sports car one hundred
thousand dollars sports car that you'd like to take out
for a driving a weekend. And you know, it's better
to get into the family bus if you want to
hear something that sounds good. So, yeah, the new Patrol
will sound like a tractor, but you'll feel pretty cool
inside it.

Speaker 6 (11:05):
Yeah, I mean even some of the tech like they
had this, I don't think this has been in any
other cars before. Basically biometric climate control and what they're
able to do using an infrared sensor mounted to the roof.
When an occupant enters the vehicle, it's able to measure
their skin temperature and if they've been out in the
in the searing desert heat, which is exactly what it was.

(11:26):
It basically will detect that you're you've just come in
the car, you're hotter than everyone else, and we will
increase the fans speed near you. Oh my god, but
it cools you down, which is amazing.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's so Japanese. Yeah, you know what I mean, that's
that's amazing.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
For people listening to this driving with their pets, and
you can imagine the dogs of Australia love to have
this implemented.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Veterinarians officers.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Actually I heard Trevor jump to one of those and
the airkind just aims straight for his nu.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
I just couldn't find them. Other cool stuff pneumatic massaging,
and there is a key difference. And I'm going to
sound like an absolute wanker here, but if you get
into a French car and you turn the massage seats on,
it's like is someone lightly pushing my seat from behind?
You don't feel a thing. Numatic massages it's like someone's

(12:14):
driving a knife into your back. So it's got a
set of those, which is great. They released a Pro
four X version which is like an off road friendly one.
That twin turbo V six will be interesting because to me,
I have a look at everyone that buys a patrol
these days. The second they get them, they modify them.
They'll lift big wheels, big tires, snork, they just go
to town on them. The second Nissan goes down this

(12:36):
path of turbo charging this car, it's got air suspension.
Now you're just removing. There was even another thing that
was pointed out by my Middle Eastern friend over there.
Basically he was saying that when they jack up patrols
in the UAE, at the moment, there's enough clearance between
the basically the suspension components and the body fit to

(12:59):
fit big, big wheels. What they've now done though, to
meet crash test requirements for the states where they have
I think it's called the near offset, where they basically
crash the car into what is a parked car, effectively
a narrow overlap. Overlap that's in it, but you're only
glancing it. These big vehicles that are on ladder frame chassis,
they're designed to have like a basically a wheel ejector.

(13:21):
So if your wheel hits the side of this car,
instead of it folding into the cabin and intruding into
your footwell, it's got basically a metal component that's attached
to the chassis that ejects the wheel out the side
of the car, so you don't have it in the way.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
So if you have a look, gee, you wouldn't want
to be near that.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
Crash, correct, But if you have a look at the chassis,
it basically prevents you from from fitting some of the
big wheels that you can currently fit to patrol. So
he pointed that out to me, and I'm like, oh,
I didn't even notice that. So I'm going to have
a closer look at that because it is going to
affect what you can do to this in terms of modifications.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, I remember seeing this in terms of like the
looks of it. It does look quite premium, like it's
quite a plush looking, almost European car, and I thought,
who's going to put a big sports bar on this?
And yeah, you would, Fat Pogan, but I just thought, like,
it's actually quite a beautiful looking car. I think then

(14:16):
this in patrol needed this, and my first thoughts were
people are going to just modify the shit out of this.
It will be interesting about the suspension though, because isn't
that under some sort.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
Of subscription I they were talking about They briefly mentioned
some subscription stuff, but I think the translating wasn't great
because someone asked what is the mass and he said
thirty five hundred kilos. It's like, no, no, it hasn't
added a ton since you've updated it. And I watched
a few of the videos back after and a lot
of people quoted thirty five hundred kilos as the mass.

(14:48):
I'm like, that's not true.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
On the subscription run it does. It's hooked up with
Google as an OS, so you can you can use
Google Play apps and all that sort of stuff in
the big touch green in the middle of the car,
which and they've basically said, yeah, this is going to
be revenue stream forests going forward for this and for
other car companies as well.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
What do you think about subscriptions.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I've been thinking about it a lot lately.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
I've got got a story coming out about it pretty
pretty soon that you'll see up on news dot com.
They're they're everywhere, you know. The other day I attended
to launch of the new smart hashtag one and hashtag
three fucking stupid. Yeah you said it. And this thing
has has a little digital avatar. So if you're old
enough to have used Microsoft word back in the day

(15:29):
where they had Clippy, the little.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
The little clip, hard guy, can I help you off?

Speaker 5 (15:36):
It looks like you're writing a letter and this this this,
you know, there will be like a little little fox
or a little cheata in the corner of the screen,
like a little animated animal that will be like, oh,
it looks like you're trying to adjust the air conditioning.
Can I help you with that? And this is this
is genuinely I think that's in the car now and
you can choose between a fox or a cheetah for free.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Oh but if you want to design your own sort
of advatars.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
In China you can, you can unlock other avatars, but
all it's all money. You're paying to do it all,
and then you can pay for accessories for them, like
little hats and wings, and really.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Myavata would just look like a meat pie and a
bean bag, like a.

Speaker 6 (16:13):
Good Saturday afternoon. But that's the thing I get subscriptions
and those little titty bits for for kids. If you're
a kid that plays Fortnite and all that stuff, you
force your parents into buying a little upgrades and I've
never played for they spend a lot of money on
it there, But it seems to me if you're an adult,
I mean, would you really pay as people?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
There are people out there.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
Really, but there are a lot of them. I don't know.
I get the concept of it. To me. Subscriptions make
sense for stuff like what Tesla does, where you can
pay to get premium connectivities. You're getting satellite maps, you're
getting Spotify, all that sort of stuff. And if you
don't want it, you don't need to have it.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
But that's the thing with say Apple car Play, Like
Apple car Plays got all that for you and it's
just running off.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
That's why Tesla doesn't let you have Apple.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
But this will be I reckon one to watch because
I've got a feeling Apple car Play or Apple in itself.
That'll be their new thing, will be trying to get
in on car companies. Perhaps I don't know.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
But that's that's what they're doing now, Dave. You would
have seen the demo they had of the entire Apple
car right. It's not a physical car, but it's a
takeover of the infotainment.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
And that's the idea, is the digital dashboards in cars,
your car play, instead of it just being on the
little screen in between the driver and passenger, that it
will fully take over the dashboard. And there are car
companies that have said that they're going to do it.
Porsche's committed to it. I think it'll be probably in
this generation of kN at some point. It hasn't launched
with it.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
Yeah, I think they're close to that because we didn't
talk about this, but the week before the patrol thing,
I went to drive the ex ninety Volvo in the States,
and that car has been delayed now a year, maybe longer.
And it actually follows on with that discussion we had
in the last episode about Rivian, where they've gone and
designed the software stack from virtually ground up, and the

(17:59):
biggest issue that they have when it comes to stuff
like infotament and the screens in cars is that there's
different vendors for everything. You've got n Video running some
of the graphics systems for you for your head up
display and the driver in sort of screen. Then you've
got Google, Android Automotive OS running your infotamement system. That

(18:19):
there's a whole lot of stuff there. But you could
imagine if Apple took over everything you basically, in my mind,
it would be a much smoother experience. Everything would just
work well.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I mean, think about it. We're carrying this thing around
twenty four to seven. It's next to us when we sleep.

Speaker 6 (18:32):
It's kind of you want anyone who can't see this,
he's holding his phone.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Sorry, I'm holding my not anything else. This is just
for our substack listness. What that is I don't know,
but yeah, it's basically just like your phone's an extension
of yourself. So I kind of go, it's just such
an easier and cheaper thing, like you're already paying for
the apps on your phone, surely when you just want
to plug it into your car, get it all up

(18:57):
and there you go. I've fell divided about it because
it feels I get the reasoning behind it in terms
of user experience, but I also feel like it's just
a revenue raising kind of tool from those.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Car company one hundred percent. Like the I was talking
to BMW about it the other day, the current generation
X five. You can buy a base model car that
has sports suspension in it, well like adaptive suspension that
has comfort in sports mode. To access that, it's twenty
nine dollars a month or two hundred ninety dollars for
a year. And I think the idea with this is

(19:30):
that it's not so much about the first owner but
the subsequent owners, because people are looking at this exactly
like your iPhone. Right, so you buy your iPhone sixteen,
if you're going to get the new one in a
couple of weeks, it's just going to roll over all
the subscriptions and all the apps and all the preferences
that you had on your previous generation phone, and I
think the car companies are looking at it in a
similar sort of way, where when you roll from one

(19:50):
car to the next, as you know, you roll over,
release or whatever, it will have all your favorite preferences.
It will know automatically what your preferred radio stations are,
what you'll prefer, and you know, climate control settings, all
that sort of stuff, and other things too, like calendars
and all that sort of stuff. It's all synked in,
so it will have that as part of the services
in the same way that you know, if I switch

(20:12):
from my iPhone fifteen to sixteen, it's going to roll
over and have Ko and Spotify and all the stuff
that I'm paying for without me having to sign up
for anything new, and the phone is just a vessel
for those digital services. I think that's the way they're
looking at it from a car perspective.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Abs and stuff I can kind of get because you
can pick and choose what you like, and it's up
to you if you really want fucking Netflix in your
car whatever. But when it comes to stuff like whether
it be I don't know, suspension subscription, so you can
get like sports suspension or massage seats, or you know whatever,
I just that kind of thing. I mean, I get
you're kind of paying for that extra anyway, but I

(20:47):
feel like if it's in the car all along, you
should just fucking be able to have it.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
Yeah, So this is KEYA. In the US, they've got
a mode for the EV nine. I wonder who'd buy
one of those to access to access the cars, Like,
it's got a level of performances standard, but if you
want to go a little bit faster than you've got
to buy a Boost mode, which is nine hundred US
dollars again, fourteen hundred bucks to access. But it doesn't

(21:11):
change anything physically. It just changes the software in the
motor and the and the battery the way that it
outputs energy. I mean, Motor Trend did a really great
story with this where they've got a long term EV
nine and they went into the touchscreen and bought everything
that they could find and it was twenty eight hundred dollars.
It was a lot of shit. So like, if you've
got imagine imagine you know, your your kids footy training

(21:32):
or something like that, and that you're the paarent out
they're standing with the umbrella and one of your kids says, oh,
can I just go and sit in the car? Please
come back to like three grand where the stuff they've
had it.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
It's now convertible. They've pressed too many buds.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
Some of it's really interesting, like this idea that you know,
if you've got a favorite sports team, you can customize
the car's ambient lighting and the theme of the dashboard
to like the LA Lakers. And that's a one off
forty dollars charge over there, but you could probably do
that anyway by just messing around with the ambient lighting
and all that sort of stuff deep in the menus.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
Yeah, because you know, as a Forward Ranger owner, I've
been having a look at the range of forums and
they've got this tool that you can basically plug into
the OBD port and it's called four scan or something
like that, but you can basically.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Four scar.

Speaker 7 (22:19):
Sure you've got to help on if you can drive
a Raptor, but basically it allows you to enable all
of these features that your car has but you don't have.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
So for example, if you drive any ever a store
or Ranger that isn't equipped with it, you only have
a certain number of drive modes, whereas if you enable
these features, you can actually have something like a sport mode.
Then they have a sort of tank turn feature which
they've released on the Tremor, which all the cars can do.
You just tick a box and then it appears on
the infotainment screen. It's just again it's all software driven.

(22:54):
All the cars have the same hardware. It's just the
software is then enabled to allow it to happen.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
So this thing is basicarly a plug in that kind
of hacks the system pretty much.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
Yeah, so it's some sort of a license. Someone whiz
bang has come up with this, but I think it's
it's like you said, you could do it to any car. Really,
if you know that the hardware is there, it will
just do it for you. So yeah, it's that's fascinating stuff. Now,
I was gonna throw at a bit of a curveball here.
The worst car launch you've ever attended?

Speaker 5 (23:24):
Oh, I haven't thought about that much at all. I mean,
the smart one the other day did miss in a
couple of places. There's no video to start with, so
that's that's pretty hard these days. But this is what
we're doing. Except that I loved it because I just
shoot everything on my phone.

Speaker 6 (23:37):
And no one else can.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
Yeah, basically knocked that one out really quick. And you
know the lunch was like lobster tail and oysters and cavia. No,
no really it's seafood. And that was at about eleven d.
I know, look it is. It is a struggle, yeah,
but we will prevail.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Do you find do you find that certain countries put
on better parties than others, Like like Chinese car companies
will bring out everything, whereas I don't know, a German
company might just be like, sit up and enjoy our car.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
Yeah, it depends on how much they want to impress here.
I remember the first time I went on a Key
launch there was a sixteen course Degas station lunch. And
the first time I went on a Mercedes launch it
was for an AMG product that everyone It was the
new A forty five when that first came out like
ten years ago, and that was that was a really
hot car that everyone wanted to drive. And lunch was
at a pie Shot and the pr blow could just
put his credit card on the bar. I was like, yeah,

(24:31):
I mean, treat yourself to a milkshake if you like
talking about bad press launches. I mean Paul and I
attended an absolute cracker of one in the Middle East.
He knows where I'm going with this. It was a
it was, it was brilliant. It was for the Maserati
Levante diesel, which I think we can all agree is
not a great car to start with. I mean they
launched that thing with the diesel from an old jeep

(24:51):
which was really bad. And the later Levante's, don't get
me wrong, they were incredible. They put these twin turbo
v eights in them, basically out of a Ferrari for
a eight, and they were fast and they sounded awesome.
But the original cars were new, no, not that, and
they wanted to show how capable this thing was off road.
So we went into the desert with two or three
press cars and then we were supported by another vehicle,

(25:13):
which I assumed was going to be a patroller or a
land cruise or something like that, but it was another Maserati,
and every single one of them shot the bed spectacularly.
I think the best ones, Like I was following Paul
at one point and yeah, like the air suspension was
dumping out, So these things would have them raised up
as high as possible to drive in deep sand in
the desert. And then when the air suspension would pack in.

(25:34):
They would turn into like la low riders and scrape
their bellies on.

Speaker 6 (25:38):
The sand like a shovel.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Yeah, and so there was that. I mean, the electric
parking brakes are basically welding themselves on. The cabins were
filling with sand and everything was clogging up. I mean,
I had I've got a video of the check engine
lights and warning lights on my phone. It's about three
minutes long.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
It was pretty epic, and the support vehicle was pretty
funny as well, because that thing died. And then Paul like,
we don't get me wrong, we get spoilt quite a bit.
There is there is, like I'm not exaggerating about lobster
tails and caveat that happens. We were not spoilt on
this event though, where we were digging these things out
of the sand with our bare hands.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Basically. Do you know what the best part about that
story is the most reliable car there was, the Press
Mini Bus to get your.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
Gordy. You've worked with Itamitsu before at their launch event.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Right, Yeah, I have. I've gotta say I was really impressed.
These guys have been leaders in oil innovation for over
a century. I mean they're the ones trusted by Toyota
and Mazda to deliver precision enginet oils straight from the factory,
and now they're bringing this same expertise directly to OSSI owners.
Like this is exciting times.

Speaker 6 (26:44):
So what stood out to you the most?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Okay, so they've got this nano tailored oil and this
stuff is next level. I mean, they don't just make
the kind of who Hi everyday products. Every formula is
designed with a purpose. So we've got the IFG three.
This is perfect for city driving. This is where you're
in that sort of stop start traffic, the stuff that
really puts the stress on your engine. Then you've got

(27:08):
the IFG seven. Now this is a beast for high
performance vehicles. Seven layers of protection on this one, and
it's got their nanocleansing tech that stops oil breakdowns even
in the harshest of conditions. And if you're driving a
Japanese car, the IFG five is built for precision engineered engines,

(27:29):
offering five layers of protection to keep your engine clean
and running smoothly.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
Gee, that sounds like some serious attention to detail.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's what I'm all about. I'm all about the detailed Pavelo.
You know this about me. The IFG seven isn't just oil.
It's like giving your engine a custom built suit of armor.
And it doesn't just protect your engine too, it optimizes performance.
So if you're into keeping your car at its absolute best,
this is the oil that you want.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
And now it's easy to get as well.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Right, Yeah, it's really easy. It's all online. Just search
out it emits Australia, that's id E m it Su Australia,
or you can write this one down au dot Iamitsu
slash Nano, slash Tailored, slashoil dot com and they will
ship this straight to your door, no fuss, just top

(28:18):
tier oil delivered wherever you are.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
If it's good enough for manufacturers like Toyota and Masda,
then it sounds good enough for me. Gordon, thank you.
That's exactly right, Pavlo.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Hey, with eat a MIDSU, you're getting oil that's designed
to handle whatever you throw at it. They've been trusted
by the best part for over one hundred years for
a reason.

Speaker 6 (28:38):
It Amitsu taking you beyond engine protection to real driving excitement.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Couldn't have said it better myself. That was great.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
I'm always carrying this show.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Have you been good?

Speaker 6 (28:49):
Yeah? Yeah, great?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Did you get any letters like I did from the
lawyers of Trevor Long? Hey, we're chatting with a really
cool guy. One I've been a fan for a long
time and I'm glad he agreed to this podcast. Frankly,
his name's Frank Cassidy and he has arguably one of
the world's best Porsche collections. It's almost like it's almost

(29:14):
like a gallery, like he's almost curated this collection. Then
it's just next level. In a warehouse in the middle
of the British countryside, he's got this thing called box
and gas, which is you're going to hear in this chat.
It's literally a nine to eleven mecha by guys.

Speaker 8 (29:31):
How's it going? Thanks for the invite. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
What a stunning beautiful day it looks like in the UK.

Speaker 9 (29:37):
Yeah, you know what, it doesn't happen often here, so
when the weather is good, yeah, we take advantage.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, it's a.

Speaker 9 (29:43):
Shame the world is burning. But otherwise it's been an
amazing summer over here. We've had up to what was
it up to I think it was thirty eight degrees.

Speaker 8 (29:53):
The nine degrees which for us is very hot.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Also the hottest it getus down there probably like forty three.

Speaker 9 (30:00):
Yeah, yeah, we definitely haven't got to that point quite yet.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
Yeah, we have like air conditioners and stuff. I remember
I was in the UK once when it was like
a thirty three degree day and I was staying in
this hotel that was made entirely of concrete and it
was like a Turkish spa. It was like a sauna
in there. It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (30:17):
Yeah, yeah, No, we don't really do our conditioning over here,
although it's becoming more prevalent. But yeah, do you guys
hear about boxing gows and what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, I did. I first stumbled across you, I guess
on Instagram, because Instagram has this amazing sort of way
of recommending people that you'd be into following, for instance,
and I guess after looking at far too many Porsche
videos and photos, you eventually came up and I was like, Wow,

(30:49):
this is a guy who's got probably arguably I think
you've probably got one of the world's best collections.

Speaker 9 (30:57):
Oh, I don't know about that. I mean, it's all
very subjective. I'll take the compliment.

Speaker 8 (31:01):
That's very kind of you.

Speaker 9 (31:01):
Thanks for the kind of interest in I don't know
in my little side of Porsche.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Well, I think there's a few. I think there's a
few figureheads around the world. You'll one, maybe Magnus is
another one, and there's probably a few over in Germany
as well. But tell us about Box and Gas because
it's such a I guess an amazing concept because it's
not just you with a stunning collection of cars of

(31:27):
old Porsches. It's really almost like a mecca for nine
to eleven, right, yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (31:32):
No, thanks.

Speaker 9 (31:34):
Yeah. It's essentially a one hundred acre estate that's entirely
dedicated to Porsche. We bore the estate in war was
at twenty seventeen, so about five years ago, and we'd
be building of us since then. So we've built twenty
thousand square feet which are all least to one of
the UK's most prominent Porsche specialists, and then we've got

(31:54):
another thirty thousand squathy that will be finished by the
end of the year, so in total we'll be at
fifty thousand square feet within the estate and our activities
are we're essentially a glorified business park. It's a very
raw business park with a lot of land around us,
and so we lease the space to Porsche related businesses

(32:16):
and then otherwise we have an annual event called Megaphonics,
and then we have a range of merchandise. And yeah,
so as time goes on, when these last thirty thousand
square feet open, will suddenly be able to do things
on a much more regular basis because there'll be infrastructure
for more hospitality. And when that happens, I will mean
that that we'll be able to do things on a

(32:38):
much more regular basis, so monthly cars and coffee and
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
That's so cool. Tell us about the Francassidy origin story.
I guess when you curate and acquire this sort of
a collection of cars, you know there must have been
there must have been something pretty special deep inside to
kind of start this off.

Speaker 9 (32:56):
Yeah, there's I mean, it's not the most of interesting
of stories, but essentially what's gond I have been obsessed,
like many of us, with cars all my life and
it all started with my mum buying me on cassette
The Love Bug, the nineteen sixty seventh film, And it
started off with beetles, and then naturally, as you start

(33:16):
reading about beetles, eventually discovered Porsche. There was something about
the cowl of guys that really resonated with me. So
that was a group of California guys had a very
laid back attitude but were into drag racing, so they
kind of stripped their beetles of all all unnecessary weight.
And I just really like that philosophy. And so that's

(33:37):
kind of philosophy that I tried to apply to to
some of my more my more extreme cars. Yeah, and
I don't know, that's kind of I guess where it
kind of started.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
Yeah, Well, I I've you know, Porsches are I think
you know, it's it's the type of car that that
really regardless of which application may try and attempt, whether
it's a nine or even in a box are a
k in, you know, regardless of what they do, they
kind of execute it. Well, I think you have a
bit of an affinity with air called Porsches. Do you

(34:08):
do you like modern Porsches or do you think that
it's the classic stuff that really sort of tickles you fancy?

Speaker 8 (34:13):
Yeah, I appreciate modern Porsches. I've owned modern Porsches before.

Speaker 9 (34:18):
We've had a kN as a family, and I've had
a nine to seven Turbo in the past, which is
an amazingly capable car.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
And I have huge.

Speaker 9 (34:25):
Amounts of respect for modern cars and what they're capable of.
It just happens to be the stuff that really, I
don't know, pause of my heartstrings.

Speaker 8 (34:34):
Seems to be the air called stuff.

Speaker 9 (34:36):
I think a lot of the star I mean, again,
you know, there's a lot of tchoes out there, but
a lot of the modern stuff is very it's very
very clinical, and it kind of drives itself. And I
respect that massive because there's a huge amount of engineering
that has to go into a car in order to
make it do that. But the old stuff is I
just find it. I find it rewarding from from the

(34:57):
get go, from you know, having to track down a car,
track tracking down a car, getting it back, spending time
with it, figuring out what's wrong with it, getting it
back to like because they all have something wrong, figuring
out what's wrong with it, fixing those things, getting a
nice baseline, driving it for about a year or so,
and then and then setting about creating something that that

(35:20):
I think the car is meant to be. So there's
a very personal aspect to it, I.

Speaker 8 (35:24):
Think, and with a lot of modern stuff.

Speaker 9 (35:26):
It's all relatively reliable, it's all in good nick which
has which has all its which has its, which has
its place and its merit. But it's less of I
don't know, it's less of a journey that you go
on with it, if that makes sense. So, yeah, the
the older stuff tends to appeal to me a little
bit more than the the newer stuff. But it doesn't

(35:46):
mean to say that I don't have huge much respect
for it, and that there are some days where, you know,
when when several cars have gone wrong, that I just
think I just want to sell everything and buy, you know,
something modern with a warranty, and it make my life easy.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
So yeah, what do you think the cutoff is with
a modern Porsche to I guess a classic? Where does
the year sort of beginning? Where's the lines?

Speaker 8 (36:11):
It's so it's so.

Speaker 9 (36:11):
Subjective, you know, because I remember being I mean, I've
been a several car mets. I've seen online people saying, oh,
the last analog in nine eleven is a nine ninety
seven or a nine nine six or nine nine three,
and it people.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
I think people.

Speaker 9 (36:25):
Define an analog nine eleven based on their own experience.

Speaker 8 (36:28):
Yeah, so from from my.

Speaker 9 (36:30):
Perspective, and I'm lucky enough to have driven pretty much
every single generation of Porsche there.

Speaker 8 (36:36):
Is out there.

Speaker 9 (36:38):
Of the air call variety, I would say it kind
of stops at the nine sixty four. The temptation is
to say the nine nine three because it's the it's
the last of the air cool car. But actually I
define a nine to eleven not necessarily by its engine,
although that is a key factor in the air called
engine is a key factor, but by the way that
it drives, and so like everything that came the nine

(37:01):
six four is the only generation of nine eleven to
have single arm rear trailing arms, whereas the nine nine
three came in with multi link and the one before
the nine six four is a torsion bar car. So
what I'm essentially getting at is that I think that
the nine ninety three changed the game so much without
multi link rear end, without amazing engineering that went into it,

(37:23):
but that for me really was a milestone and how
the car went round the corner, and I personally think
there's a very clear distinction between the nine six four
and the nine nine three.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
The other curious thing is, well, Porscha has recently come
out and said that they're working on e fuels and
they're actually building a production facility in Tasmania here in Australia.
And I think it's really fascinating because Porscha Isn't Isn't
kind of saying to all of their customers and their fans,
like you, Hey, you've got an old car. It's going
to be bad luck. You're not going to be able

(37:54):
to do anything with it in ten or fifteen years
when the world goes to electric. Do you think that
the a fuel sort of idea actually has merit And
do you think that people that are in classic vehicles
and especially Porsches will take advantage of something like that
in the future.

Speaker 9 (38:10):
Yeah, I think for me looking at it from from
from an even a wider perspective, I think, you know,
without wanting to go too far into it, but I
think I think our biggest, our biggest problem as a
human race is our race of consumption. And I think
that if we can reuse the things that we already
have or slow down our race consumption, then we're we're
we're we're much better. And I think that applying that

(38:33):
to to what you're saying about e fuels makes sense
to me. I think that keeping an older car on
the road going for a longer period of time is
certainly a better thing to do than to keep manufacturing,
you know, new products. So I think the manufacturing that
goes into any new car, whether we're electric or non electric,
has its carbon footprint. And I think that if we

(38:55):
can keep older cars on the road or older products,
keep using our all the products supposed to to to
having new ones, I think that's a good thing. So
I think I think synthetic.

Speaker 8 (39:05):
Fuels are a very good idea.

Speaker 9 (39:08):
I like the idea of being able to carry on
using our cars.

Speaker 8 (39:10):
I like the idea of.

Speaker 9 (39:10):
Carrying on being able to use the infrastructure we already have.
We've got all these fuel stations already all around the world,
and if we can carry on using them as opposed
to having to manufacture and build more electric stations, which
again has this carbon footprint, I think that's a good thing.
I think that the thing for me is it's it's
very easy to look I think it's very easy for

(39:31):
politicians to look at cars and just go, okay, well
we'll look straight, we'll look at what.

Speaker 8 (39:36):
Comes out of the tail pipe.

Speaker 9 (39:36):
But actually the carbon footprint overall starts from the day
that it's manufactured to the day that it becomes obsolete.
And I think that that that is something that we
were as we as I don't know we're as a
world are are certainly appreciating more and more. Yeah, so
it's got my vote as the short answer.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
It's funny. It's funny that you're mentioning sustainability too, because
I feel like the way that you collect in a
quiet cars you kind of talk about that you are
preserving these pieces almost like pieces of art for the
next custodians, which I think is really cool, which.

Speaker 8 (40:10):
Is Yeah, I appreciate that.

Speaker 9 (40:12):
I think that, you know, all of us have a
finite amount of time on this planet, and what's called
we use what we can and we pass on what
we can to the next generation. And I think it's
the same thing with cars. I think it's a bit
too yeah, so so so so Yeah, I think I
hope that I hope that in some way, one shape

(40:32):
or another, that somebody else will get to enjoy the
car after I'm gone, and I'm.

Speaker 8 (40:38):
Pleased to have enjoyed it after the previous owner.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, your collection is massive, as we've sort of covered
and as people can say. But because with your collection,
I sort of figure that every single model, every single year,
everything kind of has its own I guess language about it.
If you like, there's sort of this is a really
bad example, but you can pretty much teach anyone French.

(41:01):
But fluency is definitely one thing, and I think driving
like a certain older car requires a little bit of
fluency on how you drive. You've got to know the
ins and outs of it, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (41:13):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 9 (41:13):
I mean it's I totally get you know, some people go, Okay,
well why so much Porsche, you know, like that, there's
other things to the world, And I totally get there,
and I've been there.

Speaker 8 (41:23):
I've experimented world the cars. But actually that's a very surface.

Speaker 9 (41:27):
Level, and I think that when when when you look
at the cars that I'm fortunate enough to have, they
actually have they offer very different driving experiences. There's cars
in there which are very good at going out with
the missus for a Sunday drive, you know, nice and
quiet and comfortable as cars in there that are very
good for crossing Constance because my wife and I love

(41:48):
road trips and it's nice and quiet and.

Speaker 8 (41:50):
Comfortable as well. There's cars in there which are incredibly.

Speaker 9 (41:52):
Good at alpine tools, so they're stripped out, very very raw,
and it is literally all about that experience being on
that alpine pass on to rain rough roads. And then
there are cars in there which are very good at
just being track cars, so still street legal, so I
can get to the track without having to trailer cars
because it's my idea of a nightmare. And there are
also race cars, so so essentially there's there's a very

(42:14):
eclectic mix, even though it's all one brand.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
When you love to have a garage like that, Paul
literally like I'd like to go to the Alps, but
I also want one for a bit of a road
trip to that concert on the weekend. That would be fun.

Speaker 8 (42:28):
No, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 9 (42:29):
I I totally appreciate how fortunately this fortunate I am,
and and it is certainly a little bit absurd for sure,
But I think, I think, I think the main thing
is that in my view, cars cars have to cars
have to appeal to a mass audience. They need to
they need to be good at everything in order to

(42:50):
appeal to a mass audience and and and make the
shareholders happy. But The truth is we're all unique individuals
with a unique different requirements, and so there's nothing I
think more personal than making your car a true, truest
representation of what driving really means to use an individual
so yeah, so so so, And it also makes an
undiluted experience. It means it's not compromised that one thing

(43:13):
or another. When I go to the racetrack, I know
that this car was built to do that task to
the utmost. And when I'm crossing the continent with the
Misses for a holiday, I know that that car is
perfect for that job and uncompromised.

Speaker 6 (43:27):
Also, what do you reckon about like a singer and
some of the people that are now doing av conversions
of classics? Do you reckon that that that stuff ruins
what should be a vehicle that stays as it is?
Or do you think that you know when it comes
to whatever someone wants to do to a car, that
there really is no wrong choice.

Speaker 8 (43:46):
To be honest with you, my view is your car,
your rules.

Speaker 9 (43:49):
I think that we spend a lot, we spend a
little bit too much time criticizing other other people and
always having to express a point of view, and sometimes
we don't have to have a point of view on anything.
But yeah, I mean, you know, I think singer, what
Singer do is is brilliant. The quality of their craftsmanship
is absolutely fantastic, roof you know, all of them. It's
it's very it's a very interesting space. But it just

(44:10):
it's it's a very different world. I mean when when
I started, the first nine to eleven I bought was
for seven thousand pounds, you know, and it was a
ninety six four. It was six four when I bought
that because I couldn't afford a nine ninety six and
also because I preferred the classic cars, and it meant
because it was a cheap car, it meant that we
could go on circuit, you could chuck it into a wall,
you could rebuild it with parts from the scrap heap,

(44:33):
because there were there were loads of parts of that
time especially, and it didn't owe you very much.

Speaker 8 (44:37):
Sorry, yeah, it didn't owe you very much.

Speaker 9 (44:40):
So so the world has has suddenly changed, and it's
just it's just funny, how you know. To me, a
ninety six four is a is a seven grand car.
It's a car that you can modify without having to
worry about originality. It's a car that you can take
the track and if you crash it, it's not the
end of the world. And all of a sudden, you
know they're they're all of a sudden, it's been a
whild now but being turned into two singers with much

(45:03):
higher price tagers than seven thousand pounds, so it's it's
it's it's interesting to see how that car is ge
that car.

Speaker 8 (45:09):
Has turned around.

Speaker 9 (45:11):
And the nine six four was a really interesting model.
It came out in the nineties of the time of
a recession, so they weren't very they weren't sold in
big numbers that they're relatively rare, and and a lot
of them fell into disrepair because people weren't willing to
spend the money on the car that was worth so little.

Speaker 8 (45:27):
And they also suffered from dual math flywheel issues in
the first year, and.

Speaker 9 (45:32):
They had no head seating gaskets, so the then they
meat a lot of all so they got all immediately
bad pressed. So again it was just more more salt
to the wound, for want of a better expression, when
it came to the to when it came to the
nicest four becoming the dog dog of the nine eleven
one that nobody wanted, nobody wanted, whereas a nine ninety
three was a car that everybody loved from day one

(45:54):
and never lost. I don't know so much value, but yeah,
but it's just interesting to see how the nine score
is really has really turned around in that way in
the nine eleven world. And it's certainly one of my
absolute favorite models. I think it's a brilliant, brilliant car.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
Isn't it crazy how car prices have gone through the
roof and and cars that were ship boxers are now
incredibly expensive. Does that change what you want to do
with the car? I mean previously, if if you know
a car that you bought was seven thousand pounds, would
you want to actually go out and drive that car?

Speaker 8 (46:27):
Now?

Speaker 6 (46:27):
If it's a fifty fifty thousand pound car, now, I mean,
does that change your frame of mind depending on what
it's actually worth on the market.

Speaker 8 (46:34):
Yeah, it does. It does for certain people for sure.
I Mean there was a time which is a brilliant
circut in Belgium.

Speaker 9 (46:43):
If you haven't heard of it, it's it's got to
be one of my favorite It's got to be my
favorite racetrack full stop.

Speaker 8 (46:48):
It's just got.

Speaker 9 (46:48):
Everything off Canber's gradient changes all the rest of it.
At one end of the track it can be raining,
the other end of it it's it's sunshine. And anyway,
we used to do like a pilgrimage over there for England,
driving straight over and we'd be we'd be a group
of I don't know, fifteen twenty nine six fours and
by the time all the guards from Europe had joined
us as well, we'd be like thirty forty. And there
was a time when there was like thirty forty nine

(47:10):
six fours all on circuit, you know, going up a
rouge which is which is, which is an amazing straight
and it'd be like watching skits was going up aslide,
you know, all these amazing colors and I mean.

Speaker 8 (47:23):
Those were those were those that was.

Speaker 9 (47:25):
There was a great time, that was really really great time.
It'd be two days on circuit and you just don't
see that anymore. You know, people are much more protective
of their cars because of the values, and I totally
get that, I absolutely get that, but it is it
is a bit of a shame because at the end
of the day, these cars are meant for driving, and
they are they they they should be used. But then again,
like I've said before, you know, I don't want to

(47:46):
pass opinion. You know what's called everybody has has a
different take on how to enjoy a car, And yeah,
my opinion is I just I just want to drive
endlessly and regardless of the value of the cars ensured,
the cars ensured and if something goes wrong, well you
know that's what insurance is there for.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, do you ever go outside the realm of the
nine to elevens? Like you know, I've got a soft
spot for say the nine two four for instance, talk
about a bad press that's kind of known as the
ugly Porsche, the poor man's Porsche, everything under the sun.
I just think there's something really cool and individual about it.
But yeah, do you ever sort of go outside the
nine to eleven?

Speaker 8 (48:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (48:25):
Do I ever go outside the nine eleven? Well, I
guess the only Porsche that I've owned that's no. Nine
to eleven is that kN and then a couple of
three five sixes, and I've still got a beat or
knocking about. But no, not enough, not enough. I mean,
I'd love to get a hold of a nine two
eight or some point another I'd love to get hold
of like a first gen Kman and build like a

(48:45):
real hot rod out of that. I think that'd be
a lot of fun. But I think you know you're
there's there's some great Porsches out there, and I think
what's awesome about the band is about the brand is
that it's a very inclusive one. You know, some some
cars like Lamborghinis or Ferraris, if you're talking other exotic cars,
the point of entry is so expensive that it is
prohibitive for a lot of people.

Speaker 8 (49:06):
Whereas with Porsches you get.

Speaker 9 (49:07):
Everything from like a three ground boxer all the way
up to a multimillion pound collector cart. And I think
that's really really awesome because it equalizes. It becomes a
great equalizer, and you meet people from all different walks
of life.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Watch what Trevor does. He's going to put this pizza
on like it came up plate, chop it up with
a credit card and snuffer like Nadia Bartow. He's an
impression of Trevor gonna subway eating a foot long sub Next.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
That's unbelievable. God, I come here for this? What do
I come here?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
That's I've missed you. That's why you've got a beautiful watch.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Why do I come here with things with things nov?
I think I can talk about WHI things. Nova is
what it is. It's beautiful, but it's a smart watch
SOG and pasture monitoring and watch. Yeah, it's funny. I
was at Abudabi Airport a couple of weeks ago and
I was looking because I always look at watches because
I'm an idiot and have bought some. And I was like,
they didn't have a tag store. I'm a tag man,

(50:02):
but they had an Omega store that so I was
just entertaining the dude, mainly think I was going to
buy a watch. I was never gonna buy one, but
I looked at one and it's fedink look like this,
you know, metal band.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Blue, And I thought your gun for what were you
looking at?

Speaker 3 (50:14):
It was? I don't know what it was, but I
was just rarer.

Speaker 10 (50:17):
You look at that thing, Oh yeah, that would be
it would be like the for a Mega. It was
something like a Sea Master or something anyway, looked like that.
It was like seven grand euro And I get back
open this thing from with ings and I'm like, shit,
that looks like the watch I just looked at. I'm
very happy with it so you don't have to get
a full touch screen that's actually smart watch.

Speaker 6 (50:36):
Because the thing I hate about the Apple Watch is
that it's an Apple watch and it's.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Not really Everyone knows you're wearing an Apple Watch. They
know you're in the Apple ecosystem, and let's be real,
most people don't do anything with this smart watch other
than look at the time. So this is a beautiful analog.

Speaker 6 (50:49):
Watch or midway through a conversation fucking lifted up and
read a message in front of you, which I think
is the rudest fucking thing in the world.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Very rude. It's like when you go out to buy
a Porsche but instead you just end up with a
Coopra ball.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I would never go out and buy a push by
a Coopra. Yeah, I still love that car.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
Quickly as well. Just on the Porsch thing, did you
see they announced pricing for the Tykhan GT.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
The most boring car ever.

Speaker 6 (51:13):
Yeah, but this is the one that's sorry, Yeah, the
nevergering record time it was I think it was something
like ten dollars less than a GT three, so it
was over four hundred thousand dollars, which is clinically insane.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah, yes, but people are clinically insane. You see what
cars are on the road. Yeah, I mean people are.
But hang on, do you not like the ty caon?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
No? No, no, sorry, I had the MC in my head,
like the bloody ev that.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Yeah, but that's a bolk cellar.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
That's terrible. I get it. I get the important of it.
I mean that's a car.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Then you don't think it will be as a lev
So I'm hoping.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
My understanding is they're actually going to make a normal
looking version of because I think the one that they've
shown so far is like a Coupei looked, because it
just looks frumpy, right and strange, and it just climbed
in price like a McCann is to start with that
foce Inland deturbot like eighty or ninety grand. Yeah, this
is starting it well over one hundred grand out because
it's electric only.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
I was going to so that's the electric parity problem.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
So we've discussed before. It's still I reckon, it's still
at fifteen to twenty grand. The parody absolutely differential.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
But it was meant to be.

Speaker 6 (52:15):
I remember they were all spouting by twenty twenty five
that would be dead even.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
But if you talk to some people like I remember
Luke Todd from BYD Who's you know. I like the bloke.
I like him.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
I love He's story about him later, Yeah, I like
the guy.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
But he would talk about I remember the Dolphin. When
he was talking about the Dolphin luck a year before
it coming, he goes, I've got one coming that's going
to be it's going to be parody, you know, No, no, no,
And I'm like, it's not. It's come out at forty grand.
I can get I can think of a nine thirty
for almost half that. We're not at parody, we're not
even closed.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
But the ev world, I think they did pretty well
with that. I mean they took on the yes.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
But do you do you really think that thirty thirty
eight thousand dollars is good value for such a small car.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
And your average Australian at the moment that they are
literally struggling to pay their bills and you want to
go get a car that is the size of a
slight larger than a Yaris or something, and you want
them to pay forty grand for it if.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
It was thirty two to thirty five, which is not
a big drop it would sell unbelievable numbers.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
But look, the EV landscape is completely different when you're
talking prices. I think from what they've put out for
the price, I think it's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
No, great car. I would probably get it. I might
get it. I would get it over the MG four Yeah,
I think.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
MG four you had to trick you on if you
line them up. The X to me was a real letdown.

Speaker 6 (53:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I hoped so much for that, and I was like, oh,
it's just a quick in a straight line.

Speaker 6 (53:41):
Doesn't go very far because it has the small battery. Yeah,
quick for a brief picture.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
It just doesn't feel the road. It was such a letdown.
Can I tell you about my week getting the I
got a Supra Oh yes, like a corporate of it.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Are you trying to take a piece out of my
Cooper again?

Speaker 6 (53:58):
No?

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Okay, Ah, anyway, Toyota Supra. So I got a Toyota
Supra twenty twenty four, literally dressed off. He used to
have one of those, sold it.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Yeah, I fucking raved about. Oh this is amazing. Put
Japanese plates on it.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
And everything and then get rid of it.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Unbelievables. I think even ambassadored for the plate people.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
How embarrassing were you embarrassed? Japanese plates?

Speaker 3 (54:22):
It doesn't ever that much money and just go through cars.
I don't want this one anymore.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Just imagine having a Japanese style plates. Did you go
to like cose of play conventions when you have that?
So anyway, I had the Supra.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Stop saying that and it's Coopra and Supra.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
All right, what got fucking now?

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Now?

Speaker 2 (54:41):
So I had this car and it's literally just come
off the factory floor like it had done about eight cakes. Nice,
And they said, like the guy at the holding yard,
the MSR or whatever it is, you know where they
keep all these cars, He's like, Matt yep, he's as
rough as anything. He's actually he's like, listen, don't fuck
this up. All right. He's the sort of guy that
would look at my four year old and go, you

(55:02):
fucking give them me a lip? Ye, Like he's that guy.
So anyway, he's like, don't fuck this up, Like, please,
please don't fuck this one up. I haven't fucked that
many's but he's like, please, look, they need it for
a photo shoot. It's a proper toyo to photo shoot.
It's for a World Wild campaign. Please, Like the instructions are,
don't don't funk this up, no worries. Two days later,

(55:22):
I fucked this up. So the engines that you do.
The engine light came on. I drove it. That's what
I did. I just drove it and the engine light
came on. And by the way, I just don't think
it's the smartest idea to give someone like me or
anyone in this room, really a car that's done just
eight kilometers. Like you generally break these cars in properly
before you hand them over, especially to job. Not that

(55:45):
I'm pressed or anything, but like, especially if you're gonna
hand it to.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Me, you press people. How do you identify?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
What's my pronoun? I sit down for a living and
talk into a stick. That's it.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
What do you write on your immigration form? What do
you write on your immigration form?

Speaker 6 (55:58):
Paul? It depends. Some times I do journalists, sometimes I
do engineers, sometimes I do entertainer. Just kidding out of it.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
If you go to China, do you do you leave
out journalists? Absolutely?

Speaker 6 (56:10):
Yeah, well really no, that depends who's asking.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Actually yeah, move on, No anyway, So what happened with this?

Speaker 3 (56:20):
So you stopped on the side of the road here or.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
No, no, no. But what happened was the warning on
it on the entertainment was the drive train is fucked.
This is going to lose power. So generally, if it's
like yeah, so when it goes into like limp mode,
if you like, that's bad because it means it's trying
to preserve itself. So I called them up and I'm like,

(56:42):
this isn't good. And I was planning to take it
to the Blue Mountains on the weekend and rip around.
I'm like, I can't do this now. I can't. Like
He's like, oh, you could ignore it, but I wouldn't. Definitely.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
So he's like, can you bring it back and I
can get you in a land cruise of three hundred nice?
Am I cool?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
All right, that's a nice run of the mountain.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
It's okay. So this was the land cruiser gr and
I got in and I'm like, this steering wheels a
bit shiny, like it just feels very kind of used.
I'm like, I thought to myself, I bet the person
before me was someone like Trevor Long just fucking put
bloody bits of donut everywhere and just like there'd be

(57:23):
crumbs on the.

Speaker 10 (57:24):
Sea seeds probably had a bit of like geers like
it was really like, God, yeah, sure, so I don't.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Know how to discalate from donuts to there.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
But anyway, well let's just say you put on how
many donuts are you? Are you like a three donut man?
How many can you? I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
I wouldn't go less than six, donut king, I would.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yours the donut king. I'm happy with that title. So
I caught Paul and I was like, you never guess
what I mean. I mean a land cruise of three
hundred gr and I think it's been used. And you said, what, Gordy,
I was in your I am in your car, in
your old car. Well you're in the same sort of car.
And I was like, this one has just done thirty

(58:11):
seven thousand kilometers and yours was the same. Yea, And
I've got to tell.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
You, so you had two different ones or is this
the same time with.

Speaker 6 (58:18):
The same one? I reckon They shold it down, but
I normally, like I know that people think this is
a stupid discussion to be having, but normally with press
cars so.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Very inside baseball, but people are fascinated by many times.

Speaker 6 (58:29):
Look, I think most most of the time with these manufacturers,
they'll sell the cars at about ten thousand k's old.
And the reason they do that is you've got accelerated life.
When it gets given to a new media outlet, they
will do the same thing last one did, and it's
just you're accelerating the degradation of this car. Some companies,
and I think Toyt could even be one of them,
just destroy the cars once they're done for pre production cars. So,

(58:51):
but the strange thing here with this three hundred series,
it had clearly done a lot off writing because it
had scratches all down the side, all down the other side,
and I tell you this didn't feel great for thirty
seventh thound.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
So that accelerated life thing. Do you think it's a
genuine look at a land Croags three hundred thirty eight
thousand k's or is it a bit more like it's
one hundred thousand cos yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
Think closer to one hundred thousand. And I'm hoping that
anyone that's listening to this contact at the Drivers Show
dot com today, you do you want a three hundred series,
Let us know what it's like to live with once
you've put some k's on it because this thing was creaking.
The suspension felt funny, there was a vibration from the engine.
I think all of these things didn't happen until Gordy

(59:31):
picked it up.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yeah, I'm gonna say, to be honest, I didn't have
those issues. There was no stretch. We probably shouldn't claim
we had the same one. There's a good chance we
could have take separate.

Speaker 6 (59:40):
Ones, but they both had over thirty thousand.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (59:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
One thing that stuck out to me was I quickly
realized the three hundred series in general, and this being
the gr so it's up a fair bit. It's probably
up about what fifty mil do you reckon than the standard?
Like the suspension's different than the standard, and also it's
got chunky at tires.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
I think I don't think it's fifty mil. I think
it's only slightly higher bran.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
It just it just felt like it's obviously quite a
big car, and it's the easiest big car I've ever driven.
It's such a fucking easy drive.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Really, But I do see a lot of them around town.
They are the new taxi.

Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
Look.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Yeah, I didn't mind it. It was pretty good. My
dad had one and probably put about seventy kilometers on
it and sold it and he sold it off it.
I can't really comment on it because what he did
was he sold it to a company called the Night
h Q, which is a company I now work for.
And they're like those car giveaway things.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
You know, and don't get me started.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Okay, all right, I won't get you started. Can you please?
Why do you up? Because it's called money? Trevor?

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
All right, I thought you worked in Rainy. I'm so confused.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Anyway, whatever, good on men. The face, I'm the pretty
fact I've replaced by.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
You know, when there's people standing at the desk, and
then under the desk there's also people that's just Gordy's
under the very spacious mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Wow, Jesus, look at you two. Me getting a bit
of stuff on the side and your rush in eyes,
your primarily aware of this. Sold it to this company
and then they gave it away. Yeah yeah, they modified
the ship out of it and gave it away. It's
pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
But yeah, I'm interested. If you do own one, let
us know what it's like. And the interesting thing as
well is that that platform will be or is the
platform for the new Lexus cheeks and will be the
new Prato as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
You've looked at that new Prata, haven't you. Yeah, Like
it's it's a very different look.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Great Larree hundred is a really nice evolution of the
land Cruiser, right, But the new Prato is it's like
where Key has gone. It's just it's radical.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
For radicals, where you think it's where Lexus needed to go.
Though it definitely now like lex has had this kind
of old man brand.

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
Toyota I think is still a bit sort of straight. Yes,
I think this car.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Is very because Lexus has always had a little bit
of flare on the side. They've had a few sports
cars and different things that have something very different.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I've had some great sports yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Absolutely so look wise, but Toyota has been straight down
the line, very consistent, and then you bring in this
new Prato and it's, man, it's a strange looking thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
I like it a lot, but I think for the
average parto owner it's vastly different and therefore kind of
an interesting prospect.

Speaker 6 (01:02:22):
I think the biggest issue they're going to have is
it's got to carry over two point eight liter four
cylinder diesel, so it's getting mild, very mild hybrid technology,
but five hundred new meters on a vehicle that is
going to be heavier because it's on a much bigger
platform now, I think is probably going to hold them back.
So it increase the towing capacity as well. So now
they've gone from three to three and a half, you're

(01:02:43):
going to be towing an extra five hundred kilos in
a heavier car with the same engine.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
I just think that's really through it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:50):
Well, yeah, so they do have that, they are working
on a hybrid. The problem they've got is though, that
they can't stick a V six desel in it because
you're going to cannibalize three hundred series. Can't stick a
V six petrol because you get to cannibalized GX and globally.
They don't have any other engine variance aside from the
hybrid bro you can actually put in there. So the
screw sime one. It'll be an interesting one and it'll
be more expensive. I reckon ten to fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
I was going to say, it just looks like it's
going to be more expensive than where Prato's about, and
I think most Prato, a lot of Prato owners to generalize.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
You know, are on a cycle.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
They're on like a five year, six year, but everyone
purchase least one a situation and they're ready for the
new one percent and if it's ten grand more, yep,
that's a big hit.

Speaker 6 (01:03:29):
And I know some people that have actually just gone
ahead and renewed Prato now ahead of the new one
coming because they don't want to change.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
They're right, they.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
Don't want to have the first of something new. So
they're funny those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
My brother waited like nearly two years for his Prato.
He got it last Christmas, and I said to him,
hold off, like there's one coming. It looks fantastic. Hold
Off is like, nah, I'm done. I'm done with waiting.
I said, well, put your name the way that you
got fucked around, make sure your name is on the
top of the list for the new one because it
looks great. And we didn't have too many details about
the engine and stuff like that back then, but I

(01:04:02):
was like, it looks good and I didn't think it
would be. I think it feels a bit pricey for
what it is, but let's see.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
What they do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
You're buying into.

Speaker 6 (01:04:12):
It's a bit like buying a Tesla, right, you're getting
access to the supercharger network. I think when you buy
a Toyota, you know that there is a dealer everywhere.
So if you're going to drive regionally, something shits itself,
you just go there. And I think if you're going
to do a long distance drive as well around Australia,
but the map thing you want to be doing it
a toy Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
The question without noticing Paul, where are we at with
car ordered delays? Because I had this random conversation with
a guy at dinner the other night where at like
a group dinner, like ten or fifteen people, and he
was talking about he'd ordered Hyundai I twenty n ah,
yes in June twenty twenty two. Whoa June twenty twenty two,
And he got some contact from the deal today because

(01:04:50):
he thought it was coming this month, got pushed out
to April, and just in the course of three days
it's now at May or June. And I'm like, well,
that doesn't mean his sense to me, I just feel
like there's something weird there. Whether it's just going no,
we'll move that guy down then, lest we'll give this guy.
One I don't know is there a bit of that
goes on.

Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
Still, but I know that I twenty and they basically
a lot of the end cars had very strange production issues.
They had changes in production location, so I think they're
their own separate little beast. Toyota still has problems. So
around midyear they reckon they're going to be down to
a three to six month wait on most of their
cars unless it's a special order car like a LEXISLC

(01:05:27):
or something like that. But most other brands, you're seeing
it all over TV now. They are advertising and advertising
and advertising, and I think that is the first telltale sign.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
That the car is coming.

Speaker 6 (01:05:37):
Drive over the West Gate Bridge and you look at
the holding yard. It is full of cars, and I think,
what's happened with these car companies. They've had this period
where they're just ordering as much as they can. Now
the manufacturers are saying, hey, you have got thousands of
cars coming figure out how to sell them. You don't
have a choice in the matter. And it's going to
complicate things next year with this absolute nonsense tax, bullshit tax,

(01:06:01):
because that is going to really upset the balance. And
Toyota has come out and said that they will not
pay fines to other car companies to buy credits, they
will just pay them to the government. Because Tesla's business
model is great.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Each year in the US, don't they.

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
In the US, it's about two billion dollars a year
that they earn as credits that other manufacturers buy from them.
In Australia they're set to earn two hundred million dollars
over the course of the year with other manufacturers buying credits.
And it was funny in Germany, the factory that they
built was actually mainly funded by Stilantis, who had to
buy all these credits off. Tesla has paid for Tesla

(01:06:37):
to have a new factory in Germany.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
So if all the car companies do what Toyota do
and say we're going to pay the government instead of
the other brands, do the other brands get nothing?

Speaker 6 (01:06:46):
I don't think so, because it's up to you. It's
a perfect trading market. And the issue you've got with
Tesla as well. They came out and said the other
day they're leaving the FCAI, which is the sort of
industry body that represents all, don't they absolutely, And they've
left it because the FCAI is parroting the line that
they need exemptions of certain classes of vehicles and the
FCAI is very much led by Toyota and so the

(01:07:10):
FCAI is trying to rebut this Tesla's doing this, and
the reason they're doing it is because it was actually
on the Today Show someone had fed a producer numbers
and I think it was from the FCI where they
claimed Model Y would be fifteen grand cheaper. Oh wow,
Tesla cractic because like, hold on, you're advertising everywhere that
a Model Y is going to be fifteen grand cheaper
because they've assumed that Tesla's going to drop the price

(01:07:32):
by fifteen grand. It's like, no, no, they do that pocket
the fifteen grand because why would you? And what they're
experiencing I suspect because they never come out with statements
unless it's from Musk. So the Australian manager, whoever the
fuck he is, has come out with a written statement
that he sent to media saying they're pulling out because
they must have seen a sales decline by people going
well hold.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
On, oh, because they think the price is going to fluctuate.

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
So Master Jan and the reason that the price is
going to fluctuate for people that don't understand. This is
the government is basically saying that if your average fleet
is above a certain emissions level, we're going to hit
you with a fee that you can either buy credits
from other brands or get fined for.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Can I just say, this whole system, looking outside in
feels so fucking flawed because if it's all about buying credit,
or if you can get away with buying credits and
doing this, the whole point of it is to meet
admissions targets exactly. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
It's like environment It's like the carbon tax stuff. It's like,
rather than cutting your emissions and doing good for the environment,
just buy some credits.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Yeah, and we'll find you and we'll get money for that.
But oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we're doing this for emissions targets.

Speaker 6 (01:08:36):
Like the longer term, the plan is to say, well,
if you want to stop getting fined, you need to
bring in better stuff. But therein lies the problem. Someone
like Toyota, who sells.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
By the way, I thought personally, when I looked at
it first and foremost, I thought toder would be okay
because of the amount of hybrids they sell.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
That's exactly what I thought.

Speaker 6 (01:08:52):
But it's offset by the amount of land cruise O
pratos land cruises and high luxes. The problem is though
that there is I don't think anyone in this world
wants the world to end for climate to go bad.
No one wants that. So if you're out there driving
around Australia telling a caravan, you don't want the world
to end. But also you don't want to be driving
an electric car that's going to get one hundred k's

(01:09:13):
up the road and you're going to need a charge.
If you're a trade you don't have outside of that
OLDV and electric uit that you can buy. So what's
going at a premium.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
And doesn't it's an LDV.

Speaker 6 (01:09:24):
I mean, there's just all of these problems with the
equation and they keep talking about how they want to
compare it to the US. The US actually has an
exemption for footprints, so the bigger the vehicle, the less
it is required to have alignment with the missions. Have
a lot of big VI, which is the top three
best selling cars in the States, of the F series
Ram and the Silverada. So I think that Australia needs

(01:09:47):
to get real understand that people buy the cars they
do for whatever reasons they do. Yes, you have an
element of people who buy them to just stuff around in.
But if you are buying it because you have no alternative,
Toyota is going to pass the cost onto you. And
if you're a trade, extra costs they're paying for their
ut is going to go to you when they come
to do something in your house.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
And also where's the choice? Like it feels so fucking
draconian to say, you can't really buy the car you
want if you want a big car. No, no, no,
Do you know what I'm telling me what to do? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:10:15):
I come from Victoria where for two years we were told.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
What to do and where to go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
People are sick of it. Hey, he's paying the price
now you can't get into the Portzy golf club. Cut
him some slack.

Speaker 6 (01:10:25):
I caught up with Pricey the other day and I said, mate,
hold up that sorry, just pick up that name.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
He just drunk. I did not let him in under
any him in.

Speaker 6 (01:10:33):
I said, don't worry, we're not letting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Hey. You know, when you make some terrible decisions in
your life, I've made a few. Obviously, most of them
I've asked to kindly like go through the window. For
most of them, you had to text them to delete
the video. G Yeah, yes, but I just don't think
anything could quite stack up as badly as the mistake
of buying an EV nine. And that's exactly what you're doing.

(01:11:01):
A mistakes. O. Holy fuck me in the dick.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
I'm so excited.

Speaker 6 (01:11:05):
I actually think is that it's a fantastic looking car.
But Gordy the guy that is wearing fucking glasses and
can't actually see anything.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Oh I know. The first thing I said when I
posted about it was this is a polarizing car, no doubt,
no doubt, it's polarizing, but you got it. Like my
situation is this. I got three kids, the teenagers. We
own a Key Carnival. It's four years old. And like
I would never I didn't even think I was buying
a new car this year, but I'd had the even nine.
I had the air in the earth over like two
different weeks in late January maybe, And so the wife

(01:11:36):
saw it in the driver. She doesn't look at press cars,
doesn't drive them, won't go near them, but she'd seen
it in the driver. And you know, friends with Blake
with a Prido come around, looked at it, and you know,
people talk about the cars and driveway. And then I
get a call from the dude that does my fine
and it goes the carnival's up and I went, what
do you mean? Like, what do you mean up? He goes,
the lease is finished? You got to pay it out
or what.

Speaker 6 (01:11:53):
Are you going to do?

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
I went, oh shit, I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Get home, I say to the wife, we've got to
get a new Carnival. Okay, cool cool. I go to
a key deal with in my head I want to
trade it in. I want to get a new Carnival.
Like I'm there to fucking buy and this is the
same fucking dealership that I tried to buy the carnival
from originally but wouldn't give me a quote. Irrelevant. So
I walk in. I go to this bike mate, I
want to buy a new Carnival twelve month wait mate,

(01:12:16):
I went on a carnival.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
He goes, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
I went okay, and that was it? Like I'm like,
is that it? And he goes. I said, can I
get a value on mine? Like a trade in value?
He goes, you know he does. He opens up a
fucking website and looks through like carsa like a red
book and I'm like, mate, I could do this at hard.
And here's a thing, there's two even nines in the
show two in the show room. He doesn't even think
to say, oh, you've got a family, like, doesn't even
try to sell me a car. Right, So I have

(01:12:40):
this conversation with Fennick on our podcast, just just ranting
and raving. Bloke emails me, goes, mate, just saying, you know,
I work for such and such. Happy to help you
out if you do decide to go down there. No,
And so I said, mate, happy to have a look
at the price. Because then I got back to the
wife and she goes, should we be getting a carnival
or should we get that environmental thing. I was pretty

(01:13:01):
pretty forward thinking on the on the environmental front. We're
recycling every fucking thing in the house. We've got bins
for everything. And I went, that's basically green light from
my wife by the EV nine right. So I work
real hard on the numbers. I get it down to
basically the same price because the carnivals are actually a
pretty good trade right now. So I do it over
five years instead of four or whatever, and I get

(01:13:21):
down to the same price. And mate, I've fucking I've
got my deposit down on even nine and it arrives
this week, Like it happened real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
What colour did you get?

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Black? Okay, because we've got black black, Carnival black. Yeah,
it was on a boat. There may have been a
phone call, mate, but yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
It was on us. Yeah, I am no, who are
you travel along?

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
I mean someone else got a phone call that said
your EV nine Earth is delayed by two months. But
mine arrived and I'm picking up on Thursday. And so
I did, like I had a bit of a panic
after kind of of signing paperwork and stuff, being likeuck,
have I done the right thing here? And it is
polarizing to look at. But I got another press car

(01:14:06):
and I told her why she has to drive it
because she just went up to the park and back
and she she was she never driven, like she hasn't
driven the Coop ye, right, she's never driven it. So
she thought it was weird and heavy, but it was fine.
And then I got one a couple of weeks ago
to drive for the last time to my mum's place,
which is a six hour drive. Right, So I thought,
I've got my got family in the country and you
charge that up and you took for I had a

(01:14:26):
great bin, I had a great drive. I loved it
on the windy bits, on the stretches, every it was
just great. So I went, I'm really happy. This is
the car man. It's a great car. It really is.
It's expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Here's it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Look it's a great car.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
It is. It is really pulverizing right to look at
your right to me, I was like, that is and
I and this isn't adyss with ka. I fucking love
ke I had a stinger. I love Keay is great.
I love it care But it was just I looked
at this and I thought, not a great looking car.
But my main thing was, it's such a specific audience
that would buy this one. An EV A big EV

(01:15:01):
is it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Seven seats, seven.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Seat EV roughly one hundred and ten thousand dollars. Not
a cheap car. So you're rolling around in quite a
luxurious beat. It's a business, it's along, it is, but
support I thought to myself, there's such a specific audience
with this, and you are that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
No, I don't expect they're going to sell in huge numbers,
but I don't think they do either. I think this
is a This is a flagship vehicle for them. It's
a vehicle that's like, let's be real, this is the
biggest electric car you can buy in Australia. And if
I was in America, I'd be buying a Rivian like
I'd be buying something like that because I think it's
awesome to have that. It's little for my liking. But see,

(01:15:39):
in a look sense, I still think the Model Why
is the fucking ugliest cart on the road today. And
if I see another fucking white one, like, it's just
everywhere right, and it's you know, it's worse.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
This is the the worst thing about having a car
that changes. It's going to look even worse when they
bring up the update later this year because it's not
the new test Model three looks fucking beautiful compete to
the old one. Imagine how good the Why is gonna
look at all these thousands of people got the Model
Y's I got to say.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
That, No wonder people wrap those though, you know they
come in such a limited amount.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
It is weird how many people do that, isn't it.
I've got one near us. It's like a rainbow, you know,
that oil slick style that looks different.

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
In Tears Model three. Well, I was actually going to say,
I like the EV nine. We were just discussing off
air that I thought the GC line was just a
bit much. The fucking digital mirrors.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
I cannot stand driving in Genesis with them now. And
it's like, why can't they just put the screens, yes,
up where you would normally look at a mirror.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Did you have you got remotely in use to those?
Because I found by the end of it, I was like,
I get it. They kind of like the mirrors do.
Tech wise, they do some pretty incredible more and all that.
I get it. I get it too, right, But I still,
honestly for a mirror, it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Doesn't I don't think no, But I don't think it's
anything wrong with the technology.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
I think it's the placement of the screens.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Howt is the same when you look out the windows,
like I shouldn't be able to see the fucking camera.
I should exactly put the screen up there so it's
covering it just a little bit of the window.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
It's no sense, right, the fact that you can see
the camera.

Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
They've done it like, oh, we don't want to block
the camera.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
It's like put the screen up to see.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
I don't like audio. I don't like digital review mirrors either.

Speaker 6 (01:17:21):
You know what, they come in handy if you've got
a seven seater because yeah, you can see through seven seats,
or a car that has a tiny fucking rear window.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Those big black cars. If you get transported to the
airport in you know the bit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Yeah, but you're young and healthy, your eyes are good.
So actually I don't think that my because I wear
glasses for reading, I actually don't think I can focus
properly on the digit review mirror. When when you look
at the mirror weirdly, you are focusing in the distance.

Speaker 6 (01:17:51):
That's yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
But when the mirror is here and it's a screen.

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
You're focusing on that, I don't think it as well.
But my issue with those digital side mirrors is perspective
because if you're parking, like where I do, up against
a wall, I use my head to move around to
get different angles on the mirror. When you do that
on a digital side mirror angles it doesn't move at all.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Now you think, aren't they a little bit more kind
of wide angle?

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Isn't there a bit more.

Speaker 6 (01:18:14):
You just yeah, in low light especially, you just don't
know what yeah, low light is bad. Yeah, I think
Evan one's great. And you do you think, I'm ben sive.
Do you think, like seriously, the one you've gone for
is the best, because to me, the top speck was
just a bit much. It doesn't have much.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Range from the air, just doesn't have enough range for me.

Speaker 6 (01:18:31):
Where you've landed is perfect. And the ride's better as well, Like,
it is actually quite nice, and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
The fact that it doesn't have while to have a
car play is the most disgraceful thing in history given
in the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
US it does.

Speaker 6 (01:18:41):
But you know what the fuck's going from? That will
be a software update. Well, we just tested the ConA Electric.
It actually came and it's got the same same yainment
system versions and stuff. It actually came with a software
update that added wireless car play while we had the car.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
They're starting really yeah, da are starting to roll out really.

Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
The same Yeah, entertainment system. Firmware supports it. It's just
like sorry, the hardware supports of the firm where they
need right. Yes, No, I think it's I think it's
a good choice. A question just on the podcast as well,
your new podcast, tell us first the name of it,
so in anyone with.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Two bogs talking electric cars, really really vague thinking. But
we've been doing two bugs talking text Stephen Fennick and
I for thirteen years. And so when we're going to
do EV's because he's got one, I've got one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
We talk about him.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
All the time, we may as well, right, Bens Right,
he's in the Equeq. He owned a model S for
Yes for five years and then they stopped making them
here for left right hand dright, so he just went
fuck you and brought the Mercedes. I've got the Cooper
and so we started that. So yeah, it's just yeah,
it's just we're trying to go to the lowest common
denomina in terms of it's not for it's not really

(01:19:49):
for ev owner, it's for people that want to know more,
want to learn more, want to understand more. You know,
you can kind of jump in and hear stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
That's a smart idea because I think that that's this
is now the time to do it. People are starting
to really like pricked their heads out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
I don't think we're late. I think we're I think
we're at the right point. I think it's a tipping
point for people to go. I know, i'd like We
talked last week to a bloke from the Strata Committee
strata owners about EV's ownership. He had a really positive
take on EV's and fire safety. I'm like, okay, so
that was interesting. So now I'm going to get fire
department on and go what can you tell me your
side of the story, because I think it's important to
hear the whole argument about stuff. Plus, I like Phenick

(01:20:24):
doesn't leave the city. It was barely drives over the
fucking bridge to come to my studio to do the show.
But I leave the city. I've done a lot of
driving and charging. I took the ford E Transit van
to my mum's at Walker. It was the fucking hardest
thing I've ever done because on highway it's the least
efficient highway drive and EV I've ever seen it, so

(01:20:44):
thirty per hundred and man fuck, I was so nervous
about making it there. And I was at scone at
the one n I may fifty kler what charger and
I had to go to one hundred. I had to
go to at least ninety two to get enough range
to get to Tamworth. Poor bloke in a B turns
up well five minutes and I'm like, mate, I'm going
to be here in chat for a fucking hour.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Buddy good.

Speaker 6 (01:21:05):
One was half of it sticking out as well, because
it's got the charging thing at the front.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Now that's the other thing I didn't get.

Speaker 6 (01:21:10):
It's like it's a big workman. And then if you
go to like a shopping center car park, you're blocking
half the rock.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Because the thing is sticking in there.

Speaker 6 (01:21:17):
But one topic, actually two topics. We rolled out electric
vehicle charging in our old building. I was the OC
manager there and it was expensive, and funnily enough, one
of the guys that was fucking jumping up and down
about this constantly while we were getting a consultant to
work on the plans and everything didn't end up fucking
getting it, even though he bought a Tesla and didn't

(01:21:38):
think about charging until he got at home. We spent
a year installing all this stuff, and he didn't end
up putting in because he thought it was too expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
And he goes, oh, that's too much, I can get it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:49):
Installed for this. I said, hold on, fucking listen to me.
I'm not I don't need an electrician to come and
plug it up for you. We have a load manager
so that when it gets to summer and there's fucking
fifty people trying to charge their car, that it can
load shad. So we actually have electricity, yes, and we
don't need you the selfish guy who wants to just plug.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Up through your killer one.

Speaker 6 (01:22:08):
Imagine if there're fifty of you selfish guys, we wouldn't
have any electricity. So it's it's those types of people
who are tight asses that don't want to then spend
because it is more expensive than doing it at home.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
You can't just put two grand war box on. You've
got to do like you'd be that guy that we saying.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Yeah, I'd be that guy. No, it's a fair point.
Like if he doesn't really want to say the difference
is the plug in sort of mount that you've got
to get. Say he's got to spend like four grand.
I don't know too much about the setup, but say
he's going to spend four grand as opposed to what
do you have to pay this strata people.

Speaker 6 (01:22:41):
Look, I'll find the number. But it was it was
not four grand. It was like, let's call it eighteen
hundred bucks. And he thought he could get it for
five hundred so he's winging a.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Third of Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
We we talked again before we came on air about
the kind of community that is EV owners, especially on Facebook,
and I had to leave a couple of book groups
because I saw too many people sending links to like
Alley Express and all this to buy fucking charges and shits.
And I'm thinking that is not author that is not
regulated in Australia. That's the ship that's going to bring

(01:23:12):
this whole industry down is dodgy chargers. And the problem
is not enough cars come with cables. Isn't it weird
that you buy an EV when Hooper came with the
public charging style you know, Type two to Type two
not we not a home granny charger. The key I
think comes with a granny charger, which I think all
cars should come with, plug it in at home into
a PowerPoint. But you get people who buy a you know,

(01:23:36):
a charger at home. I don't want to say war
Box because that's brand. That's what I've got. The awesome
They buy charger, they get installed at home and it
doesn't have a cable on it, so you buy then
a cable. Now, the problem is if they buy a
cheap shit cable that isn't rated for the for the
power they're outputting. That is going to be the weak
link in the chain. It's not the carvet catchers fight,
it's it's barely the electricity in the home. It's the

(01:23:57):
charger or the fucking cable.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
And by the way, you tell someone who's pretty sort
of set in their ways and an EV is a
big thing for them, Like I look at my old
man and he was like talking about getting a Model three.
At one point I was like, Eh, don't do it,
don't do it, don't do it. But I guarantee he'd
be this sort of person that'd be like, ah, look,
I'll just fucking go on the internet without telling anyone
to buy something off Amazon.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
You spent like sixty grand on a car, and then
you go on that Like I say, I paid eighteen
hundred bucks for my war box. I think you get
him a bit cheaper. But my mine's got no Wi
Fi and all that kind of cool control, And I
know I could have got something. I think Tesla had
him for like seventy fifty or something. Right, that's the
minimum I spend. If you're spending lesson the Tesla charger,
what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
And is it doing it? It's like and you know
the other thing as well, that a topic for you
your podcast, which I'm about to come up to now,
is what happens at the end of a novated least
because our model, why we got that on a novated
lease to take advantage of the FBT exemption. Right, my
two years is coming up in August, and I've got
the balloon payment of forty three and currently the cars

(01:25:01):
are listed second.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Hand trade money for about fifty five.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
So at the moment, great, but what's going to happen
year three when you've got everyone who went for a
three year at least instead of two and the resale
values of these teslas are crashing at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
The international stuff or because so many were.

Speaker 6 (01:25:20):
Born and a lot were used for Uber for all
this sort of stuff, so they're all just ditching them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
The battery, shape, degeneration and all that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:27):
And also on top of that, you've got when you
take advantage of the FBT exemption, you've already saved X
thousand dollars. You haven't paid GST upfront either, so you're
going to dump it for whatever the balloon is and
the balloon is less than market value. So you're going
to see in at the two year mark, which I'm
at in August, and at the three year mark the
following year, which is when they first dropped Model Y,

(01:25:48):
you're going to see the prices of these drops. So
I'd be curious to know for anyone else that's in
that situation what they're doing, whether they just trade it
in for another one and keep the cycle going, and
if they do what happens with the secondhand one. Do
they just for a cheap amount and then you bring
the price of everyone who didn't get the FBT except
Novade at least set up.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
So do you when the government regulation thing to him
it earlier came on about a month or two ago,
Hadley rang me and want to be on here to
talk to try and explain it to people, right yep,
in Layman's terms. And he's pretty relaxed with me and
doesn't try and push things too hard.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
So I was.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
I had him on board broadly the ev train, right,
which is a big milestone, and he was like, yes,
but what about the battery. So now I want to
ask you this because I thought about it. I thought
in five years from now, you're going to go to
car sales. You're going to look at cars, and right
now you look at a Keyer Carnival twenty twenty model
and it's got one hundred thousand k's or forty thousand
k's or you know, that's pretty much your measure of

(01:26:44):
the difference. Do you think we'll get to a point
where you list a car with battery health? Yeah, battery
health like maximum range.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
People already you go into marketplace or something, people already
take photos of, say if they're selling a Tesla, already
take photos of the battery health stuff on the streets,
because I think that's the measure uptop as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
You know they'll do that because surely the measure of
one Tesla's value, one electric cars value versus another one
of the exact same age and condition is how good
is the battery? So essentially what is the remaining range?
Because that that's going to be the big difference between
two cars, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:27:19):
And that's going to be an industry as well. We
met this company at where was it, I think it
was at the Munich Motor Show, and they were a
startup Silicon Valley startup and they basically were selling this
technology to car companies to be able to do remote
field diagnoses of their vehicles batteries, but very in depth.
I think that is going to be the next big
industry where you can get an OBD portal or an

(01:27:41):
Apple or something that will allow you to diagnose a
battery and test sell integrity so that when you sell
a car, you can have a certified.

Speaker 10 (01:27:47):
Like the old days, you get there to come along
and do a check of the car, say like dial
in and kind of like cheat the system like the
old days when they'd like wind the.

Speaker 6 (01:27:57):
I would want that because there is a big difference
between a car that is constantly DC fast charged and
a car that is slow charged. Yes, and there's also
a difference between a sort of a typical lithium ion
battery and an LFP battery.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
So someone who bothered to put the eighty percent limit
on who didn't and all those kind of things. If
I was someone who had really good financial backing on
my website, I'd be launching like an ev car sales,
you know, with a different name obviously, because you don't
want legal weathers, but no genuine beam sh raise it
with our boards because I think that. I think we've

(01:28:30):
got a trading post style marketplaces happen now. But that's
old school, right. The new school is going to be
a people just searching for an EV, especially with the
flood of cars that are going to hit the marketers
you've identified and make it for the buyer. So you
can't list your car unless you've shown evidence of its
current range at eighty or one hundred percent, you know,

(01:28:51):
those kind of things, so that you're really showing the
value of the core technology of the car, not the
fact that it's shiny and you've looked after the seats.
What is the drive train of this car?

Speaker 6 (01:29:01):
Woractly? Yeah, it's it's really fascinating. And I think I
just tested the Toyle to BZ four X.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
What the fuck is with that name? It's it is
a stupid name. It's like it's been named after one
of Elon Musk's kids. That's right, the.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
One is actually funny from you, very good.

Speaker 6 (01:29:18):
But yeah, that that car is I think a car
that's misunderstood by a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
A lot of people are.

Speaker 6 (01:29:22):
Complaining about how shit is it is as an EV
and that sort of stuff. But to me, that is
a car that if you drive a camera right now,
you can go drive that and it's the same. It's
got buttons for everything. Everything is foreign and weird. There's
no weird ship you have to do. It just drives.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
That's the EV owner hatred thing. It's like Tesla owners
who are like, what do you need buttons for?

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
I love reaching, Like in the EV nine, I know
that there's within my reach. There's a little toggle that
I go up for warmer, down for cool, like I
just want that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
People same movements to your wife.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Some people after Like you get in a Toyota, you
want it to be to Let's be real Toyota owners,
our owners. They're so unlikely to buy something else we've
talked I think I've talked about with you guys before.
They are so unlikely to buy from a Corolla to
an I thirty, despite the fact that they're better cars.

Speaker 6 (01:30:10):
Probably it's a toil.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
If they want to be an EV that's probably the
car to gain.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Yeah, I reckon.

Speaker 6 (01:30:15):
They will actually sold quite a few of them, so
I'll be carefus see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 6 (01:30:19):
The fucking air conditioner was amazing. We had three hot
days in Melbourne, and every ev I get into, the
air conditioner leaves you sweating, not sweating, but just not
super comfortable, right, especially a Tesla with a fucking glass roof, like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Itating, I saw you bring something like that up before
I finally someone gets it, those glass roos thing.

Speaker 6 (01:30:37):
I was freezing and it was like forty degrees outside.
The air conditioning is like straight out of a highlux
It is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
What's your number?

Speaker 6 (01:30:45):
Well, in a normal car, it's twenty two. In this
it was twenty three because it was at twenty two.
I was actually getting.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Like twenty three. Man, he got a bit of a showed.
People walk into my studio and it's literally a fridge,
like I keep that at yeah, unlike this is like
a bloody Croatian sauna.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
That's because they turned their conditioning off in this building.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
When do you know what? I noticed that there is
actually an air cord something. I was just really not
fun doing recycling from the fan of the hard drive.
But yeah, my studio, I keep it like nineteen degrees.
Like you walk in there, it is a proper fridge.
Everyone's like, how can you be in here for six hours?
This is this is how it's got to.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
Be your way of deterring people from coming in as.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Me fresh like a piece of old food speaking which hanging.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
In the window like a Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Fat on this slice of pizza? Would you travel? I
need it warmed up.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
It won't be warm'll be sloppy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
That's for sure. Does anyone listen to this? This is
a cheesy crust.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Had a sponsor.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
By the way, how's your manscape going? Have you used?

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
So?

Speaker 6 (01:31:52):
We had a Kadogan on the show again and.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Did you hammer him for the manscape stuff?

Speaker 6 (01:31:59):
We gifted him the merch last time and he returned
the favor and gifted us some manscaping products. So my
bask at work, I have balled the odorantup, palls on
the ball the odorant?

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Is that a real thing? That man has worked out
how to nail a YouTube clickbait?

Speaker 6 (01:32:17):
But it's it's he actually said, he knows his audience.
That's why he has bet roll of women frolicking around.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
He knows just hit the hit the hit the ev stuff.
He knows they hate it, so bring it on.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
He is really just what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
I don't want to pull them out?

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
What are you doing? Gordie?

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
That's disgusting. Now he's getting his camera, he's going to
take photos of it. Can you this bloke, this fokes
is in professional radio, mate, But how will he edit
this out? Or is this staying in the show. I
don't think he will. I'm going to tell you right now, Paul,
I don't think he's going to edit this out. All right,

(01:33:00):
ladies and gentlemen, can you it's just secretly DM, because Pauly,
sorry Gord, he probably won't even listen to the show
top and tail it and it out so secretly DM,
Paul Marrick travelong and let us know that he let
this left this rubbish in.

Speaker 6 (01:33:13):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
It also helps us understand you're listening, because otherwise I'm
not even sure these bokes have listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
I don't know why you do it.

Speaker 6 (01:33:20):
I don't think we do it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Honest he mentioned do you have a sponsor or?

Speaker 8 (01:33:25):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
God?

Speaker 9 (01:33:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Okay, well you got to work on your money on this.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Ah see that's the problem. And that's what that's where
Fennick and I had a problem. We started the private feed,
which just us talking shit and swearing and everything, and
I would never try and attach a sponsor. That because
I don't want someone saying you can do something right.
But I would never launch a podcast without a.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Sponsor such a thing. It's you do it for the
love pretty much.

Speaker 6 (01:33:48):
I mean, if this, if we had to hire the
studio and everything makes sense, but you know, it is
what it is. So where do you have a studio
set up at work?

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
So in the e FGM office upstairs of now pretty
much's got much with three zone. It's a desks desk
for me to work at, and I record the FtM
podcast just at my desk, and then the lounge room
which is the Today show backdrop, and then the corner
is like this, it's an acoustic area and with three
cameras for a video podcasting, yeah, because may we do it?

(01:34:17):
Thirteen years we never did video because I didn't want
to fucking edit it. But then AI editing came along
and I could just drop three tracks in actually boom,
yeah mate, So I dropped three tracks my camera, Steven's
camera too shot and then the audio sync it up
and then just go top and tail and then click
a button and on a good Mac one and a
half minutes later, a one hour show. He's edited multiicam.

(01:34:40):
So when I'm talking, it's on me, when he's talking,
it's on him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
It's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
So yeah, like I would never plug in or just
plug in for premiere. Thanks for joining us. Don't want
to shave them?

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Why get them out? This is by the way, this
is yours. I neve already got one, but you get
another one.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
I can I just tell you really, I want to
cry right now. I broke Look, I broke mine. Oh
so I didn't want.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
To out of rage.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Actually was.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
It was just the.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Closest thing on my desk and I threw it. You're
not going to I'm absolutely not gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Lost because your wife said no to the.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
You don't want to know how close to the true
that story is. But it's funny because it's still sitting
on my desk. But I've put it together again because
my daughter's like, why have you got a broken cup?
I'm like, because I feel really bad that I broke.
This is the nicest bumper stickers. You know where I'm
going to put that? Not on my bumper.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
You're not going to put it on the on the board.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
No, really no, that's not going to have them there.
If you want No, probably not. Actually no, sorry, I
just realized, Oh no, I could cut it this, it's
just Paul.

Speaker 6 (01:35:47):
Do you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Do you know what? I actually Paul?

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
It actually works if he ever needed to, it just
works fine, Paul. Probably we could probably photoo the Gordy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Do you know what? Paul sent me a challenge right
before you got in here was to stick one of
those on your coopra born And I've just got out
to do that, and now I realized a prend genesis
GV sixty, So I stuck on it. Anyway. The people, yeah,
they love me, they do. They genuinely listen to this podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Bill he Nikey. Sorry about the sticker and Pete in
the garage. I'll pull the sticker off.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
No, don't they love it. Actually, they were hitting me
up for merch.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
Should put some in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Yeah, I'll get them. I'll give them some merch too.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
You know what you meant to do with merch? You
meant to sell it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
You know, we got we wanted to give it to people,
and then I realized it it's actually bloody expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
It's really hard to send it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
It's actually really expensive to send it to Pete that's.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Why I gave you bloke umbrellas that time, because it's
possible to sell it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
That's on my post by the way, just on that.
It is genuinely on my to do list this weekend.
Guaranteed it's getting sent out, so so it is. People
actually will I think we should eventually sell stuff, but
we'll get to it this We might.

Speaker 6 (01:37:01):
Just come for seventy nine to ninety five plus eighty
six dollars postage.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
It's so bloody expensive to post ship. But I've got
a one on it. So it's going to be done,
and it will be done this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
That's a one year old promise. It feels like it's
a really low it took.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
It took a while for the for the great people
of Machines Plus to get as the merge they were
moving factories. Anyway, great people. It's next on the list.
Apple and Tesla.

Speaker 6 (01:37:26):
Oh yeah, so again we should stop discussing stuff off fair,
but we were discussing off air about.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
If you stopped eating.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Yeah, that's yeah, Gordy eating us when I was Jesus.

Speaker 6 (01:37:40):
So I read in the Afar this morning that Apple
and Tesla's share prices have taken a hit after they
announce basically their results in China, both respectively getting boned
by Chinese public and Chinese government making certain requests of
citizens to switch funds.

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
Chinese citizen follow their requestion too pretty strictly.

Speaker 6 (01:38:02):
So I'll get to Tesla in a second. Tell me
with phones. So I use an iPhone, have used one forrages,
used an Android for a little while, didn't love it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
And the Google phones are great phones. The Google Androids
are fantastic phone.

Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
Of the pigs just Google right. So now what's happening
in China is they've been told, certainly for governments, that
you can't have iPhones. And there was a quote from
one person who didn't want to be sort of directly named,
that said, basically, they came to the office and said,
you've got two weeks to get rid of your iPhones.
You're switching to Huawei's. Two weeks later, they came with

(01:38:37):
a box and anyone that hadn't gotten rid of their
iPhones was asked to put it in the box. Were
getting twenty percent off. So they're all excited because it's
a So anyway, the hui Wi they're getting is like
some high end new thing with some fancy chipset where Yeah,
ironically they were a lot of the people that were
quoted in this story were concerned about Apple's spywear.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Like if you think about the propaganda that exists in
Australia over China and Huawei, And for full clarity, I
have no problem with Whawei. There's no evidence they have
done anything, so I think a lot of it is propaganda.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
But anyway, so on that, I always wanted that myself.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Huawei, we're not allowed to build the five gene networks.
Who do you think built the four g networks for
Optus and votefone? Fucking we're still using. If they wanted
to spy, they would have been fucking spying already.

Speaker 6 (01:39:24):
And that's my Other points to that as well, is
that you can open up at Huawei phone, take every
single bit apart and examine it to see if it
has anything. It would have been easy to do by now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Yeah, and Huawei has no presence outside of China. They've
got a sub brand called Honor, which does do pretty
well in the US weirdly and Europe. But mate, those
companies are so big that they can churn out enough
phones for everyone there, right, so look, Apple is seen
by Chinese in the same way as the scene here.
It's this prestige thing, it's this better thing to have.

(01:39:55):
But the fact is that you can do better than
Apple with just a five hundred bucks. You don't really
need to buy an iPhone. You could just get used
to her bloody a cheap android phone. Generally belief stuff,
this phone here that I'm using right now throughout five
hundred and fifty bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
What about drama about the camera stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
I mean, I took a bunch of photos of my
son's baseball on the weekend. It was great. I mean,
I don't have any issues with it, Like.

Speaker 6 (01:40:17):
I think it's it's more just with the rest of mine.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Put those photos away. I don't want to see one
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 6 (01:40:23):
Well, actually, ironically, look at that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
Have you seen that vehicle?

Speaker 6 (01:40:29):
Oh yeah, I've heard of me.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Yeah right. So this is a phone company or a
tech company in China making a fucking electric car.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Hire the designer from.

Speaker 6 (01:40:38):
Get that designer from.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
It's like, it's a beautiful looking car.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
That's a nice looking car.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
But see that's what's happening in China. I was in
Shanghai and I was blown away by the number of
ev companies that I'd never heard of, Axion or something
and all these different things. They've got a ship ton
of car.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
You're very weird tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
I worry about you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
I'm worried about shte going. I saw you eat that pizza.
He literally put it between two sizes of bread and
ate it like a sandwich.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
That's going.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
I know. I took down the recipe.

Speaker 6 (01:41:10):
I did sneak a piece in while you're outside.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
Yeah, that cheesy crust. I haven't had one of those. Jesus,
it's not bad. Good for Domino Dominos a sponsor of
the show. They should they should be we should get
a sponsor. Can you imagine we could get like e
f T there you go, send me a proper and
you imagined.

Speaker 6 (01:41:30):
Made a money by the look of it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Can you imagine me doing live reeson for Trevor em
T what's it called? Anyway, if you want technological advice,
don't send me a proper. Do you see that? Good
people at is doing very well? He is doing great.

Speaker 6 (01:41:49):
He is He's he's certainly latched onto the electric car
hitting situations.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Great respect for his use of the algorithm.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
It's brilliant. I'll tell you what ifever. I need a
torch or like a device to shave my balls. He's
your man.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
Any no machine, machine work done.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Yeah, fucking he fucking has it all. He's that neighbor
you kind of want, like.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
You're putting you can you weld this together for me?

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
He's like, yeah, sure, Yeah, you're fucking it up, you're
doing it wrong. Come, I'll do it. And then he'll
tell you how much of a dickhead you are for
forty five minutes, and then you'll probably have a couple
of beers with you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
That sounds like pretty much my every day.

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