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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
I will say one thing, which is paper straws are ship.
Paper straws are ship, and in my house I bulk
by plastic straws because you do do a lot of
cocaine and you have extremely big nostrils.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hoover. I think your wife calls you sometimes I call
her that as well. So yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll be
You'll be using their nose to vacuum the carpet. For that,
that little comment, you should probably stop. Everyone tuned in
to hear stuff like this. Hmmm, it admits to oil
(01:06):
that you drizzled on. No, that is That's not me eating.
By the way, I'm just having my way with the janitor.
Donna's in the corner two years with to chuck a
leg over goodnight. He's a caramel Sunday. You got yourself, Donna.
Thank you. Darling got to be back on the program.
Jesus Christ, I've got a mcfuck theer. Any as you
(01:36):
choked to death, I'm gonna tell him. It was a
fucking happy meal. Here's your toy, Pavely. Oh god, what
have you been up to. I've been driving a lot
of cars, driving a lot of cars, been covering a
lot of range, planning a road trip. Actually, oh well,
(02:00):
I'll be going from Sydney to Melbourne Boring, which can
be a very boring road trip. I think we might
take the Cynic route, which is quite nice. I'm still sorr.
I've got a pube in my mouth from Donner m
So we might go through places like Maurumbula, Biger I'm
(02:20):
not sure. But and then once we hit Melbourne, we're
going to go up to the the country, the high
country of Victoria. Oh yeah, and we might do a
bit of skiing. Oh watt, Yeah, that's cute. And I
will be doing this all in a Genesis g eight
(02:41):
mm hmm. Your boy got back with Genesis. I'm doing
it all in a beautiful Matt Green the way it
should be. Spect here Matt Green. I'm hoping they'll do
the tan interior, but we'll see. So there's a bit
of a road trip comingly. But it's a cast sale
of my and fell through as in I went to
(03:01):
buy one and oh here's the thing. Right, So obviously
you know how I'm in not too much of a
rush to buy a car because our good friends at
MG have given me a long termer, which at the
moment is the HS, the Big Boy, and been quite
enjoying that. It's been good. I thought, well, look here's
(03:23):
a car that doesn't pop up too often. And it
was a bit expensive. It was like really pressing my budget,
and so I got a pretty good not a pretty
good price. I wasn't happy with it, but I'm like,
fuck it, I'm going to do it. I'm going to
do it. These don't come up much and smens is
killing me. What was the car? Wait for it? So Genesis.
(03:46):
I drove this beautiful you go around? No, no, you
go and I drive this beautiful car around and went, okay,
this is good. Now, as you know, I'm a family man,
yes I've had I need a family car, and I
thought it would be appropriate being the family man that
(04:09):
I am, to purchase an Audi ttrs.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Oh wow, so you're splitting from your wife and you're
getting into no no, no.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Head dressing for some reason. Stop it. I've got Genesis
for my hairdressing salon. Business. That's an interesting choice. Okay,
So I will say here's what I know about you. Yeah,
you're not a fan of the TT.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
No, the TTRS I am a fan of because he's
got the five cylinder engine out of the RS three. Yes,
that is one I would find acceptable, but.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Just acceptable and exceptional even. Yes, but how much I'm
cure actually, how many k's are pretty good? About forty
five thousand, what year as I think roughly a twenty
twenty okay, and how much eighty two drive away? That's
not too bad.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
How much were they knew they were pretty expensive? Yeah,
because the TT was about one hundred grand.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
The RS was like right up there, one hundred at
a stretch. I think I think brand new, around about
ninety five drive away. But yeah, the the RS was
x y as. I thought this was a pretty good
deal given what they are one for t trs when
it was new. So I took this thing for a
driver and I was like, it was just kind of
(05:28):
like I've always wanted to drive one of those, and
I'm like, you know, these don't come up much. Fuck it,
I'm gonna take it for dest drive. Booke didn't dest drive,
and I loved it ripped the shit out of it. Goodness, Wow,
what did you do to you? I think I've got
some Donna's labby according my foot. Sorry, darn's a bit
(05:52):
of a rolled up tissue paper. I didn't want me
Johnna properly Donna. Yeah. So I took the things for
a test drive. Absolute monster, really great car. In fact,
it reminded me. I got the same thrill from this
as I would in a nine to eleven, probably more,
because it's it's interesting when you've got a car you
could easily rip around and the powers coming from the front.
(06:15):
But it's it's it's just got such control and such
precision about it. I'll steal it just in case it
is normal tt. Yeah, yeah, that's right. But it's it's
just got some seriously good sounds to it and great power,
and it's so fucking engaged. Like ah, okay, So what happened?
So I said to we we were going to and
(06:37):
fro all week. Dealer or private dealer, okay, yep. So
we were going back and forth all week, and I
will say this was an Ourdi dealership too, so that
kind of meant a lot. I wanted to make sure
that it was going through. So, going through back and forth,
we agreed on a price finally, and to be honest,
eighty was kind of my top. I didn't want to
go eighty two is far acceptable. So we got to that.
(07:01):
I said, cool, I'm going to come down there on
Saturday morning and I'm going to get this sorted. And
then there was a sort of like do I pay
for this hour right or do I put this on finance?
And so I sort of thought, you know what I'm
going to just I don't know what they call it.
I'll put basically partial down and then do the rest
on finance. So I said, can you get your finance
(07:23):
guy to call me? Because I want to get it
all sorted. So Saturday morning, I give the guy i've
been dealing with a call. I said, hey, can you
can you get your finance guy to call me please?
I'm going to come down at midday today and we'll
get it sorted. But I want to make sure it's
kind of all paid for and done before I come down.
And then plus I wanted to know what their rates
were and stuff like that. So he goes, yeah, no worries.
(07:45):
So his finance guy called me and I had the
kid at the time, and I said, look, just give me,
give me five minutes, so I me just sort this.
She's just fall bloody, taken a stack on the bike.
Give me five minutes or go back. Call this guy
in five minutes. He didn't answer. Called him back again
in ten, didn't answer, fifteen didn't answer. I don't know,
and then i'd by the third time, I'd left a message,
(08:05):
and I think I sent the dealer a text as well,
like hey, just waiting on a call from your finance
guy back. And then about an hour later I get
this ping on my phone and they fucking sold it.
I'm like, that's a bit rough, like pay deposit though no, wow,
no no money talking in there in a good will game,
(08:26):
are they No? So I wasn't as devastated as I
thought i'd be. I was a little bit, but I thought,
you know what, this happens for a reason, Like, you know,
eighty grand's a lot of cash. I could get like
an affordable family view call, like an MG or something
like that. And then with the other forty grand, I
(08:46):
could probably get something like a nice secondhand boxter or
something like that, or an MG. Actually, so it's a
good exercise because I looked at like, okay, what can
eighty thousand dollars get me? Well, you know what can
eighty thousand bucks get me? I looked it up on
car sales, eighty thousand dollars. You know how you can
(09:07):
choose from power, power or whatever. Power at the top
of the pile. And of course it was giving me
a lot of Tesla fucking performance. So I unchecked that
and what else was the giving me? It was giving
me The top few were the MG four x power.
Oh yeah, it's the criterion. Yeah, whereas I like to
(09:27):
call it sex power because get a lot of action
in that. So that was good. And they're a good
looking carton. Yeah, and they're cheap. Um. It was just
coming affordable, thank you. That's that's the just looking at
that's on your contract words. Just looking for the terms
(09:47):
and conditions here. Please do not refer to it as cheap.
We prefer affordable. And please don't call it an electric car.
We call it new energy. I so, actually, speaking of
new energy, the by D seal performance had come up
(10:08):
as well, which I fucking love to be honest, I
love those cars. I sort of considered that as well.
So look I don't know, the jury is still out.
I thought, well, you know, maybe like a nice three
series beamer like in line six as well. Sorry, yeah,
lots of lots of options, but I don't know if
you've got any ideas. Yeah, hit cardy up, yeah, I
(10:31):
was talking about you. Oh you're the expert. What do
you reckon? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
It's you said you wanted a family car and then
you expressly went and didn't get a family car.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So well, technically I can put the kid in the
back of one of those. Yeah, so it's family to
me baby, Yeah, but not practical. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I'm gonna have to think about that. Maybe ask me
again later in the episode.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I think it's a tricky one because, yeah, family and
cool and performance. I don't think they've now that. Yeah, yeah,
there you go. There It is not how do you
go in the wet with that car? By the way, Yeah,
you don't go great in the way, you don't go
around corners. No, basically, yeah, so there's that ish. Yeah,
(11:17):
family and cool, it's a it's a tricky mix. Maybe
a maybe a Copra Travis scan Oh what travesty that
would be. I don't think there. I think Coopra are
great car. Actually, I tell you what I'm gonna I've
been trying to repair my relationship with the Volkswagen Group
of later and that. Yeah, that hasn't gone great. So
(11:43):
I will just say this, the Tea Rock Are I
find them just underwhelming. Tig One are though. Tig One, Yeah,
that's a different story. That's a nice that's a nice car.
The Tea ROCKR.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
They did do an update to the interior that made
it nicer, and it's got a good engine.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Very quick. Oh see, I didn't think so do you
press the throttle? Yes, it makes some cute, little like
complimentary sounds. I was like, okay, this is all you've gone.
Look at me my Tea Rock card too, dude. I
was like, Nah, this isn't happening for me. This isn't
(12:21):
going on. Do you know what really gets to me
about the Golfers Because there's such an iconic car and
they're a great car. I do like them. I don't
know why they've got this kind of vibe of we've
got to be understated in the way we look, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, well, I think they leave the overstated stuff to
Audi they're just kind of sticking with Volkswagen sort of being.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
But the GTI is I would argue that that's more
I guess at Landish if you like, a lot more
sort of expressive than the.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, I don't know the golfers like the executive sort
of thing. Really I think so, yeah, thank you wull shit.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah there's that. I don't know who's that. Yeah, so
let me know. Hey. By the way, we did touch
on the Seal Performance being a great car. Our good
friends at ev Direct and by d Oh geez. The
tabloids have gone berserk. They've the mummy and dad have
split split up. I wonder who's taken the kids. I
(13:27):
wonder if the cops were called. I wonder if it
was an argument on the front lawn, just like well,
fuck you, fuck youa nah, gone take your bloody. This
wouldn't have happened with if you didn't do the shark
Si dickhead Gordon, I'm taking the dolphin. Yes. So, just
(13:48):
for people's background, EV Direct kind of brought by d
to Australia.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
They were the sort of importer and they set up
the infrastructure and got everything ready by proper, then came
to Australia. And there was also then Eagers, who is
a big dealer group, who had an investment in EV Direct.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
So can I just pause this When you said BYD
came to Australia, does that mean you're talking about their
flagship stores.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Look, I don't know the real ins and outs of
it all. I'm not entirely sure how that all worked.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
But what they're doing now is basically BYD proper.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Is taking over importing these cars and being the point
of call for all this stuff, running the marketing, doing.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
The full distributors. They're doing absolutely everything. Yeah, but there's.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Now a separate company called EV Dealer Group, which is
basically a venture where Egers owns eighty percent of it.
EV Direct owns twenty percent of it. And this is
basically a five year agreement between by D Australia and
Eagers to then distribute these cars through the existing dealerships.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It is confusing.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And one thing I noticed down in Geelong they've got
Mercedes Benz dealer. And you know, because Mercedes bens has
been pretty quiet in terms of sales.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Wow, I'm not sad about that at all.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
So they're basically now half of the dealership as a
BYD dealer, but it's not like separated.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So all you see is the building that is Mercedes Benz.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
The front half is BYD, the road facing half, and
then the back half is Mercedes bens but it's all
in the same building.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Oh yes, they do that in Gosford as well. With Landrovers.
The front it's it's very split, I know, half of it.
And it's weird because Landrover are kind of tucked away
in the corner and then there's like this there. When
BYD was starting, it was odd. It was like this
one car and then they had this one pimply representative
(15:50):
kid like, well, do you want to show you're interested
a bow? I do? Do you remember they were delivering
them through my car? Yeah? Oh that was a hot mean,
it wasn't it. I mean what I know, who come
up with that stupid idea? But I think you've got
a fair idea.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
But yeah, it's like it's it's so weird because normally
what a car company would do is just go, hey,
I'm going to sell cars in Australia. But for whatever reason,
it has just not gone that way. And I sense
from the outside that there is tension between EV Director
and BYD because you never knew who to talk to.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's like, do I talk to that guy to get
the thing I need? Or to talk to that guy?
Well that's you though, that's you in the in the
car game. Yeah, but how does it work with a customer?
Who are they?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Who runs the call center when something goes wrong? Is
it EV Direct? Is it BYD who services the car?
Who do I pay my money to?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Who do I like?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
There's all these weird questions. So it's I'm glad that
this has now kind of resolved here. And look they've
sent there's a whole bunch of quotes that have come through,
and everyone's back padding each other and it's all very complimentary.
But I think behind the scenes it would be a
very different story.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
It will be interesting to see how this plays out too.
I wonder if EV Direct would take on other car companies.
I remember when we had Luke on, he was like
he had no interest in that sort of thing, so
judging by that, and he was really complimentary brand, but
(17:14):
he was he'swall black and Blue, Like they'd never take
on any other brands, and they were really happy with DDS.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Why would you bring another like bringing another big brand in. Now,
there's so many out there that people have never heard of,
so why would you bring in another one. BYD got
runs on the board early, so's MG, so's GWM. I
think they're all well established. Now you've got all these
other brands that have come in that you don't really
sort of know about, that are trying to sell cars,
and it's just a confusing concoction.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I kind of also think that surely they would have
expected something like this eventually, because they obviously had been
working with BYD for years to get something like this together.
Then they brought the cars out here and they've done
a brilliant job, like BYD is flourished in Australia, done
really really well, and you know, now it's kind of
(18:06):
got to a point where it's like, hey, cool, thanks
for setting us up. We're kicking ass. Will take it
from here, Champ. But that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
They've taken all the risk, So I think it is
fair that they've been paid out, and they would have
been paid out very handsomely in the background, because the
Eagers investment in ev Direct was in the tens of
millions from memory, so for BYD to basically take over.
Now they would have to, you know, buy that over.
I would have thought so it would have cost a
lot of money. So someone's made a lot of money
(18:32):
out of this. So it's just interesting, you know, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Have you had an any dealings with the Shark sex
of recent times. Yes, we did our updated video where
we took it back. Yeah, yeah, covered that. It was
still well it really isn't a shitcart. No, it'sat it's
great for day to day, but just don't take it
off road, yeah, for that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And since then there's just been people trying to just
desperately demonstrate how good it is road and just failing miserably.
And it's like, it's fine, it doesn't have to be that,
and I don't care if it is or isn't, but
it's not.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And that's that. What's that car that I feel like
it could be from Deep? It was a weird. It
was almost like this car ute hybrid. Oh the yeah,
I'm prett sure that was a deep hell like I
had the tray cover but yeah, it was kind of
like a and I'm pretty sure it's coming to Australia,
in fact, I know it is, but ah, god, I
(19:26):
can't remember, and I was really interested to know if
the EO cover right, that cover can be taken up
full time and you can use it as a tray.
I don't actually think it can. I think it's just.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I think you could, Like I'm looking at pictures of
it here, and it seems to be usable with the
cover gone.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It's an interesting, interesting market at the moment. So yeah,
it's I feel like we're in a We're in a
time where there's a lot of choice. There's the ice cars,
there's the hybrids, and then there's the EV. I think
at one stage we thought, look, EV's are just gonna
take over, and then I think, no, no, I reckon
(20:07):
hybrids will be sort of hot property moving forward. I
think they sort of overcooked it with full EV and
now like with all these Chinese cars coming in, these
EV's coming in, it's hard to know. There's so much
choice going on. You just went to the Shanghai Motor Show. Yeah,
so Shanghai and Beijing alternate. Did you blend in because
you kind of look a little bit.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I'm going to tell you some funny things in a minute,
So let me run you through the show and the scale.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Of it first, you do that while they eat some
while you eat some more.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
So basically Shanghai Motor Show is enormous and if you
look at motor shows in Europe, they're all dead, like
I mean that, no one really does motor shows anymore,
and if they do, not many people go there. China,
on the other hand, is insane. So the first two
or three days are media only, and there was tens
of thousands of people there for the media days only.
Throughout the course of the two weeks the show is running.
(20:57):
They expect over a million people to come through over
three days over the month that the show is on.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
For the public.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
That's decent now, and it is enormous. It's cross eight
massive halls. Each hall has like an upstairs and a downstairs.
It is on another level and there's just so much
stuff that blew me away. So one of the big
things over there at the moment is live streaming. So
at pretty much every stand, you had a line of
maybe ten people all dressed kind of the same with
(21:29):
a phone on a tripod facing the car. Then they
would put their hands in front of the phone and
would be doing like hand gestures and would just be talking.
At this for like an hour straight, and what they
were doing was live streaming the car that was just
revealed so that you could buy it. And then they
get a commission and they all work for a company
where this company is getting commission for each car they sell,
(21:52):
and it.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Was so funny. Well, I don't understand. So a car
has just been revealed and they're standing in front live
streaming it, and then what happens? How are they selling cars?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
But you go by it because everything also in China
has done through like wa Chat, so we chat is
not only a messaging platform, but it's a payments platform.
Everyone has their websites and their portals on there. You
book an uber or dd through there, like it is insane.
But then they have these people that are live streaming,
and what would happen is because they're all lined up,
(22:24):
one would move a little closer and all of a
sudden they would be in the shot of the next.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Guy, and they're all yelling because they're just so fucking
loud in there.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Then the next guy would move in and then all
of a sudden, they're all like a meter away from
the car because none of them wanted to be in
others shots. But because one did it, they all had
to do it. It was the most bizarre thing I've
ever seen.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Wow, I'd love to kind of get on one of
these live chains and work out what they're doing. So
they're standing in front of the car, they're talking in
the public, Hey if you want to talking stats, Yeah,
it's live comments are streaming, So they would be answering
questions and they'd be just NonStop a car that's just
been released. That's a pretty incredible skill.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, But they would then have a second phone in
their hands that you couldn't see on camera that was
all the specs, so that they could just rifle through it.
But they were talking a million miles an hour and
for hours straight. It was just unbelievable. So we were
being hosted by GWM and GW and revealed a V
eight which in yeah in the tank is insane.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So turbocharged V eight that looked cool. Crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
So it's so cool to see that the car development
in China has not slowed down and to the point
where last time I was in Shanghai, which is probably
ten years ago, everyone was just driving European cars. They're
all just because that was the status thing. And then
the guys that couldn't afford European cars, we're just driving cheap,
shitty Chinese cars, which back then weren't very good. Now
(23:46):
all of the European cars are ten years old. No
one is really driving European cars. They're all driving their
national product. And some of them are spending like two
or three hundred thousand dollars on stuff like that yangwang
U nine.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Oh yeah, and that's nice.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And is that a derivative of BYD Yeah, that's a
bid division. So some of the other stuff at the
show that blew me away BYD and Cattle. They sort
of showcase this battery charging technology that basically will give
you like three or four hundred kilometers of charging range
within three or four minutes. Wow, which was really cool
to see. But the thing is with them as well.
(24:21):
This isn't like the Europeans where they go, oh, we're
testing a prototype car with solid state batteries. It'll go
on sale in twenty twenty nine. These guys are like,
we've got this battery here on show, it's on sale
from next month in that car. It's crazy insane, And
it was just the scale and the pace at which
they're working that has completely blown me away.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So now here's some weird, weird stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
So someone came up to me and they're like, oh,
can you do can you do an interview for people
at GWM? And I was like, yeah, what about Oh
let's ask you some general questions and I was like yeah,
no drums and like, can you just be here at
eleven so rock. This dude comes up to me. He
gives me this five pages of fucking words, so question
(25:08):
and then an answer, but the answer was like ten paragraphs.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And I'm like, the fuck is this?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And he goes, I just need you to recite all
of this and I'm like when and he goes on
the video interview. I'm like, I can't learn all of
this and I hadn't read it at this point and
he goes, oh, and it's live as well, and I'm
like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And I said to him, so it's GWM, but who
was the interview with? Well, it was being streamed on
their global social media. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Reading this and the question was what do you think
of GWM? And it was all this rambling stuff and
then it was like it provides me inspiration and it
is one of the world's best car brands. I'm like,
the guy's fucking serious, and I said, I'm not going
to be reading this happy to be interviewed.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
So it did come. He's what you should have said. Yes,
it emmitts her they make Precision lubric and Blue brookhems.
And I couldn't say better myself, but you could.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, so this dude has I saw the trail of
cameras coming and they said just stand here and look
surprised when he comes up to you.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I was like, okay, what so saw this jude?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
See you?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Ronald heard his accent and it was an English accent.
So when he started talking to me, I was just
trying to be a bit funny and talk about Australian stuff,
and I'm looking at this guy.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I'm like, he has no idea what I'm talking.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Jokes are dying in And then we get through this
this interview and then I'm like, what the fuck just happened?
And someone said to me, they hire all these white
Russian guys who put on English accents to make it
look posh.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
He was an actor.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I don't know, but it made sense when I was
talking about all this English Australia type stuff that he
had no idea about.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
The guy has probably never been to Australia or the UK. Yeah, No,
it was weird.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
And then throughout the show I would randomly have people
come up to me and ask me for interviews. Oh
what do you think of this our brand? What do
you think of the styling? And you would just go
through and have all of these random interviews with people
and you don't know where it is. One time this
dude comes up and he's like, Oh, what do you
think of the show? Another Russian English guy? And then
in the background I could see the girl filming on.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Her phone, but he had not mentioned that. I just
thought he came up to chat to me.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I'm like, dude, I can see her filming, I can
see the microphone on you at least say hey, do
you want to be part of this?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh? Did you say that to him? No? But I
was like it was just weird.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
So it was the whole thing to me blew me away.
And I can see that they're producing all these cars,
but they're trying to legitimize themselves by employing these white
guys to do the fronting of everything. They're trying to
break through to a Western World, which I can't of get.
It is a different way to do things. And to
be honest, I could see as well. Again because we
(27:58):
were with g WM. We went to all their cars
and they had like twelve or fifteen cars for us
to drive, and we rock up to a fucking car
park and I'm like, old, what is this? And it
was literally a car park with all these slalem courses
and I'm.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Like, what is this? Oh, like a like a like
a driver defense kind of training set of thing, you know,
like a like a shopping center car park.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
We had no specs on any of these cars, so
I'm frantically googling half of these cars are and we
then spend fifteen seconds behind the wheel doing this slalem
and they just rush up to.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You what did you think?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
And I'm like it had fuck loads of body roll
and understeered a lot. Yeah, because it's a giant four
wheel drive. It was like an a ladder frame suv.
I'm like, you've set up.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
A fucking slalem course here? What did you expect to happen?
I just love it if you like hit some poor
old bird just carrying the shopping to a car.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, it's this is just and I can see why
they did it, Like you can't just drive on the
road in China as a tourist to get like a
tourist license which involves a test our group. With GWM
globally had like let's say two hundred journalists there, so
getting two hundred journalists a tourist license would have been impossible.
So I can see that they're working with constraints, but
(29:14):
they still just don't get it. And you could not
get away with doing that with any other brand because
you would get torched. And look, I was upfront with
the video that we shot. I said, listen, this is
all I've got to deal with. I'm going to be
upfront and say that none of this is really all
that impressive because none of it was, to be honest
on that course. So yeah, it was just a hard
thing to work around, and I think they're still a
(29:34):
bit naive in terms of how they're working, but I
will be curious to see how it all pans out.
And just a side note as well, with the fast
battery charging stuff, you know, people look at it and
they're like, oh, you know, EV's about to turn a
corner here with charging but when you actually break it down,
those charges needed a mega water of electricity. Like if
you're setting up a charging station in the middle of
(29:56):
Australia somewhere, or on a high regional highway somewhere.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
To be honest, anywhere in regional Australia getting you know
what I mean, ten charges ten megawatts of electricity.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
That is a lot of fucking electricity. So people just
don't get that. And that's why I reckon. While it
may work in China where they've got a lot of
diversity in terms of their power sources, and they just
do not stop. It just will not work in Australia
for quite some time.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I wonder how do they get that working over there,
Like they've got so many people, and like China is
on it like people. I just love reading some of
the comments I see in our content.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I'll never buy anything China is. They got no idea
Like go to Shanghai. It is one of the most
advanced places in the world. Yes, they If you drop
yourself in the middle of Shanghai, you wouldn't even need
to know the rest of the world exists. Everything is there.
You want for nothing, and they have everything that you need.
And people who think China is in some economic trouble. No,
(30:52):
not from what I could.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Tell, like it is. This is a bustling place.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Their car market is out of control, so you know,
and they sell over thirty million new cars a year
just in China.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
So that's why they can get away with making half
of this shit because they know that even if you
only have ten percent of the market, you are bigger
than the entire Australian market times three.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And you look at say BYD who are like one
of the if not the biggest brands saler in China.
I mean, fuck, there's no wonder that they took over
from MeV Directs and they've got money behind them. They
just wanted someone else to kind of look after the
nitty gritty. No, but it's it's exciting stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
So funnily enough, this probably won't make any sense to
anyone except people with the tech background. We had to
do like live crosses back to Australia for Sunrise, midday
news and six pm news.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Little celeb you have seen it, yeah, but anyway, have
you got have you got like celeb clout about you? Now?
Do you kind of walk up and just I picture
you walking through TV studios and just slapping the brand
power Chick on the ass get a touts.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
But it was interesting over there because for us, for
our live stream equipment to work, you have to have
like it accepts six sim cards. It's called a de geio,
and it was very hard to get data sims over there.
So we had to get one of our locals over
there to get us these data sims, and he had
to pledge to return the data sims when we were done,
because it's like a weird thing for someone to have
(32:19):
more than one data sim. Oh and I couldn't buy
it from a shop, just like a data sim for
a tourist. Oh really, So it was crazy. So it
was touch and go there because one of our live
crosses was like five am, so I had to make
sure it was working and stuff was just a bit
hairy at one point. We've got it working in the end,
but just even the process of doing that, because they've
(32:39):
got all these firewalls in place as well, I'm like,
this may drop out halfway through our live cross honestly,
just insane.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I've been to China once and I loved it. I
was only there for a couple of days. But I
think it's fantastic. I just you're exactly right. There's just
some things that China do better and that we've got
to accept that, like the common section blowing up with
there's bloody Chinese cash. I'm not briefacing building them. They're
not even quality mate stuff like that. The Chinese are
(33:08):
ruling the world with and they can scale and they
should because like they've put a lot of hard work
into it.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
They can scale production unlike anyone else in the world.
You can't, like with all this tariff stuff that's going
on at the moment, Apple cannot manufacture iPhones in the
US because A you can't get the parts.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Network in the US. That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
B The work ethic, Like I know that obviously in
China you've got issues with the way some workers are treated, but.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
There's a forest dedicated to it.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
But their work ethic is if you are due at work,
you're at work, you work hard all day, and you
go home.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
You don't go on working from home to know because.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Whatever, like it's not like and in the States, manufacturing
is hard work because you've got to pay people a
shitload of money. You've got all of these dramas about
people who.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
First of all, I wouldn't say it's a shipload of money.
Those people who are working in the Amazon warehouses aren't
eating a shipload of money. I mean, compared to Australia,
they would be.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I mean, the US dollar is so strong that but
equally over there it's quite expensive to live. Right in China,
it is much cheaper to live so obviously they're not
the same thing. But it is the scale of manufacturing
and their work ethic and the ability to source parts
over there that makes huge scale production possible and why
a lot of companies are going to be in trouble
(34:29):
because they've based everything around China and if all of
a sudden you get all these tariffs slapped on stuff,
you no longer have a business.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
So yeah, but the culture is different. Yeah, and that's
a really good point. That's pretty much exactly why they're
a powerhouse with this sort of stuff. Except when it
comes to a little car that I test drove to
the point where I hated it so much i returned it.
(34:57):
After two days. They're like, oh, yeah, you're back, And
I said, just take it, please, just take it. This
car isn't finished. I'm talking about the Leap Motor C ten.
It's a stupid name. To start with a stupid name.
No matter where you look at it, Leap Motor just
sounds like some sort of fucking learning game for children.
(35:19):
And seed ten and sound two. Yeah, seed ten. I
don't know, it just sounds so clinical. So yeah, Leap
Motor C ten forty five thousand to forty nine eight
like that little touch. Depending on the variant, I will
say the best thing about this car is the way
it looking. What's that handing it back? Well, yeah, and
it's flicking back. I was going to say the keys,
(35:39):
but it doesn't even come with keys. It's actually a
pretty good looking car. I will say that straight up.
It looks really good. The one thing I found so
weird was it's got this light bar up the front.
But you only get that in like Chinese models or overseas.
It didn't make it past the Australian test or whatever.
But isn't that so old because there's so many cars
(36:01):
with that front light bar here there's rules around distances
of light lights from the center of the car, or
there's some stupid rules.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Around that are just and this is you know you
look at the side note the new model, Why is
just that can pass it?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I couldn't understand why this could. Design rules are so dumb.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
They just have all of these idiotic things that don't
exist anywhere else in the world.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
So twenty inchalloys, five hundred and eighty lead boot space,
it's got a decent bum on it up to four
hundred and twenty four kilometers in WLTP. Here's where it
started to go wrong. So the key is not a key,
it's a card or you can use your phone. So
I've got a big problem if like your phone or
(36:45):
a card is your only options to get in the car. Well,
say you're a fucking mum, you've got three kids, You've
just come back from shopping, your phone's dead. All you
want to do is the only way to open this
boot is with the card. So you can't actually do
the whole. It says you can, but you can't because
(37:05):
I tested it. You can do that kind of bootswipe
under the car. When so say you're fishing around in
your handbag, you've got no proximity sensing key. You've got
to get this fucking card out and tap the side mirror.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
No, but I disagree because I had a Tesla for
five years and never had an issue with my phone
being flat. But if you did, you just go to
the card. Your phone will work all the time.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah, but if you've got the card, would that car
open BI proximity?
Speaker 3 (37:35):
No, but your phone has used the rest of the time,
So why would you then lug around a key. I
think key's a complete waste of time, Like they're just pointless.
If you can do it with your phone, which you
always have in your.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Pocket, say your phone's dead, you can log into the
app and unlock the car from any other phone or
use the card. That sounds like a massive dick around.
I'd never once had that happen to me in five
years of owning the car. Well, you're a nerd with
a fully charged phone.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
And I'll say as well, Apple, and this won't work
if it's an app. But Apple Key, which they use
for BMW's and a couple of other brands, now they
actually if your phone does die, there's a reserve battery
capacity for.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
The key work. Oh okay, so there's fixes for that
as well. Look, I just found it an absolute punish
I I just didn't enjoy it whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, but I just vastic I'll say, is if you
were an owner, you would just have your phone paired.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I don't know, like just using this car to open
the door and you're clicking it on the mirror and
it doesn't work that great to be honest, like you're
really tapping this thing away. It's like it's still not opening. Also,
I found like the other only way to open the
boot was to get in the car, use the infotainment
and click on the boot button. It was just like,
don't do that. At least the key that you hate
(38:44):
so much has fucking everything on it.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Well, yes, I've unfortunately my mystery car from herts as
a shipbox Pollstar, and that's got the same thing where
the boot. I just cannot figure out how to open
it easily without having to use the key. There might
be a button there somewhere, but I couldn't find it
and gonna be bothered looking any them, but I already did.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
The infotainment doesn't even have Apple car Play or Android Order.
I mean, that's just dumb. The only sort of apps
it has. By the way, footnote, I think I believe
that's coming, but it won't be an update till the
end of the year. So to get home to use
this car's navigation system just was a piece oh shit, massively. Yeah,
(39:24):
it's got Spotify and Zoom, but that's about it. I
just I would rather sit down to take a piss
on an ant's nest then I would sitting in this
fucking leap motor c ten. I don't say that like lightly.
I wanted to like it. I really remember was saying it, going, fuck,
this is really nice looking. It was all black, it
(39:44):
looked really slick. But this is a hard pass. I
wouldn't recommend it at all. I think they undercooked it.
I think it's not ready, and I think that it's
probably got potential. I think they've got a really cool
speck where it's I like a green on the outside
and and a tan on the inside. It's got a
very Donald Trump style tan on the inside. Everything is
(40:06):
this this weird kind of tan. So yeah, it kind
of looks nice, but that's where it ends. For me.
It's a hard pass. I wouldn't recommend it at all. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Well, I mean I don't think they've really sold any
of them, so there's not really much to know to
go by. And that's the thing these cars, if they're
not ready and they're not up to scratch, no one
will buy them. Like it's a brand no one has
ever heard of, So why would you go? And now,
just very quietly as well, I'm now looking at a
YouTube video of the Polster to boot opening from the outside.
(40:38):
There was a button buried near the red o plate,
so you're going to stick your finger under there, and
that's where it opens intead somewhere little.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Ridge round in the Polster anyway, it's a poster five
coming out posta. Yeah, who cares? I reckon, they're a
great looking car. We're so divided on the Polster.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I would just never own one because they horrifically expensive
and depreciate terribly and have built like shit?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Are they built like shit? So the last one that I.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Drove was a horror show. It should not have left
the showroom. It was like your elite motor experience.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I just found them a little bit just mundane and clinical.
Like the inside. I remember thinking it's it's got this
kind of scandy feel about it, you know, with their
yellow handy. Yes, it's got this yeah scandy via China.
It's got this kind of yellow seatbelt vibe going on.
I was like, it's you know, it's it basically looks
(41:33):
like an accountant's car who fills his shitty little one
bedroom apartment with Ikea furniture. That's who would buy that car.
But they're a nice looking car, pavel A, he's a
little bitch. He doesn't lack posta too. You've worked with
it a Mitsu before at their launch event, right, I did,
(41:55):
I did, mate, I went to their launch event. I
am seated. Actually your boy am seated. Said the whole
thing very nice, delicious Japanese restaurant. But I'm really impressed.
I'm really impressed. These guys have been leaders in oil
innovation for over a century. You know, they're the ones
trusted by Toyota and Mazda to deliver precision engineered oils
(42:16):
straight from the factory, and now now they are bringing
the same expertise to ossie drivers. What stood out to
you the most, well, A lot did, actually, Pavlo, thank
you for asking that non prompted question, and it was
their nanotailored oil, which is why we're here, because this
stuff is next level, and now they don't just make
generic who haa products. No, no, not these guys. Every
(42:40):
formula is designed with purpose. For example, let me tell
you something. The IFG three, Oh, this stuff is perfect
for city driving. This is what you want for city driving.
This is your stop start traffic, the stuff that puts
stress on your engine. But then there's the IFG seven,
This is the stuff for your beast pavlay the high
(43:01):
performance vehicles. Seven layers of protection seven. I sound a
bit New Zealand. Seven layers of protection Anyway, they've got
no cleansing tech. It stops oil breakdown and it even
just sorts it in the harshest condition. So if you're
driving a Japanese car, the IFG five, oh, that stuff
is build for precision engineered engines. It's offering five layers
(43:25):
of protection to keep your engine clean and running smoothly.
So that sounds like a lot of attention to detail.
Oh so much detail, so much I nearly forgot it all.
But the IOG seven isn't just oil. Just know that,
because it's like giving your engine a custom suit of armor,
like a little massage. As well. It doesn't just protect
your engine, it optimizes performance. If you're into keeping your
(43:48):
car in its absolute best nick possible. This is the
oil you want, and now it's easy to get too.
It is very easy. Are you ready for the longest
website I've ever had to reach out? Here? We go
au dot Inamitsu slash no no slash tailored slash oil
dot com. I said to it, amits you, I said, guys,
(44:09):
don't give me that. Let's just tell them that if
they search out it AMDSU Australia on the Googles, they'll
find where they're going. You know what I'm saying. They'll
ship it straight to your door. No fast, top tier
oil wherever you are.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Ok. If it's good enough for manufacturers like Toyota and
mazdav and, it sounds.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Good enough for me. Hmmmm exactly. You know with in AMIDSU,
you're getting oil that's designed to handle whatever you throw
at it. They've been trusted for the best part of
over one hundred years. Yeah, look it, Amitsu taking you
beyond engine protection to real driving excitement. I think I
could read that better. You ready it Omitsu taking you
(44:49):
beyond engine protection to real driving excitement? Was that good? Yeah? Hey, hey,
K four, what do you want to talk about anything else? No? Well,
just KK four, it's like a little underwhelming.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, and what I found as well, it's got this
throttle hang where but just the breaks are very hard
to apply when when you release the throttle.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Was that on the GT line. Yes, the GT is
the one with the one point five turbo. See, here's
my thing. Like, I love a Kisidan as you know,
a former Stinger owner. I think you jumped to my
Stinger once before. Yeah, we picked up Donnor and we
had a great night at KFC after that. Oh Jesus
(45:38):
O KFC works. She loves a greasy box Donnor, she
loves it, loves a bit of finger licking chicken. Yeah.
So I was really excited about the K four and
I actually think the K four looks really good. Looks
really good, And I reckon the guy who designed this
would probably would have just taken a seat when the
(46:00):
final product was put out after he jumped in it,
because it really does the outside styling such an injustice
when you hop in it's so underwhelming and disappointing. I
was in the Sports Plus spec. Here's my thing. When
you sit in a car and you're getting second from
the top and you're putting your hands on a plastic
(46:21):
steering wheel like grip. Whatever you do if you're a
car company, doesn't matter what speck it is. Put a
little bit of fucking effort into the steering wheel because
guess what, it's the thing that gets touched the most.
Like me, it's it's it needs to look good, you
know what I mean, and it needs to feel good.
And this thing was just it looked it looked good,
(46:42):
but it like, as soon as you touch it, the
whole thing is just one big chunk of plastic. I
love what they've done with the little logo in the
corner and the way they've set everything up, but god,
as soon as you touch it, it's just a cheap hunk.
I'm like, what are they doing? The interior is just bland.
I did think it just had no colors. It's just
(47:02):
like the GT Spec has bigger alloys. I think they
go from eighteen to nineteen. It takes it from the
two liter four cylinder to a one point five turbo
one point six, a little punchy thing which I'll be
curious to jump in. Did that have a I mean,
you might not have anything to compare it to, but that, Yeah, look,
it's it's punchy. It's got an eight speet auto, which
(47:24):
is good. I mean the Serrato this is effectively, I guess,
a new little sort of Serrato GT with a glower.
It's not this is the thing. The Serrato GT was
more sport oriented. This is GT Line. Yes, so it deliberately,
isn't that? Yeah, I don't know. I just I just wasn't.
It's such a shame way with it. I just think
(47:46):
they had so much potential with this, and yeah, they
really got let down by just some key stuff. And yeah,
I just it's disappointing. Outside looks fantastic, inside is lackluster.
Maybe the GT speck is a bit better because I
think you do get the two tone interior and obviously
the punchy engine, but you also get I think it
(48:07):
takes it from around about thirty five thousand to I
want to say forty four.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
It is expensive as well. That's the thing that I
was probably surprised with the most that it's a lot
of money for that car. I'm just having a look
at prices now.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
GT Line is drive away forty seven grand. It's a
lot of money. And that's the thing when kiya get
it right.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
They really get it right, like they put together a
really solid car and this just unfortunately was not it.
This is not it. So what else is what's coming
up on your horizon? Going to India?
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Yeah, are you're testing I'm Ahindra or is it a launch?
Is it a random launch in India? Yeah, it's a
new Leap motor c C eleven.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yeah, it's going to be in India, which will be interesting.
And then yeah, then off to the States and then
off to Europe.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
So I'm going to be busy cagey about that India trip. Yeah,
there's some secret stuff with him. He's a he's got
a secret Indian lover over there. His name is his
name is? His name is Rug and Josh yeah all
over that. Yeah. Yeah, he really courage your flavor. Oh yes, ma'am,
(49:24):
check out Pavlo's little puppa dumb well listen, have fun
in India. Yeah, try not to get dissonery, which is
I think a diarrhea an old term for diarrhea.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Look, I'm actually have a pretty strong stumming I can.
My wife hates this about me. When we went to
Ballei ages ago when we were younger, I would just
eat street food and just drink water from the tap
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
And she would just be like, you'd just be licking
handrails in the shopping center. And I say shopping center
very largely, it's more of a local market.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
Yeah, she was like, I just hope you ship yourself
on the way back to the hotel.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Just happened. Touch with it. I'll be in India. Yeah,
spriting like ies. I mean, you put your finger over
the end of it. Have you seen those reels where
it's like just the best of Indian street food and
it's literally just a dude cut and chicken with his toenails.
(50:25):
I love that. Guys like chicken breasts at his foot
and just cutting out by very bad stereotypes. That is
not what happens over there. What about the Temple of Rats, Yeah,
I don't know about that. That's a real thing. Yeah,
that's a holy thing. Well, you probably stay in luxurious accommodation,
no doubt, and go over there on your business class
(50:45):
flat and we'll land there on business So that would
make sense. What's what's the best business class and worst
business class? I bet you'll say quantus is good.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
No, Quantus is one of the worst. I think Qatar
is one of the best.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
I had a bit of a chuckle me and my Wath.
We're just on the socials and I said, check out
where Pavlay is. He's at the airport, but he's acting
like he's really disappointed to be leaving his family. As
you took a photo of the Captain's lounge menu Chairman's
land so good. Oh jeez, I'm really disappointed to be
(51:25):
leaving my family. But anyway, and loves to Morning the
loves of Morn. Mister Merrick, would you please, I've told
you put that shit between two slices of bread. I'd
like to eat it like a sandwich.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Yes, but yeah, it just it depends if you're if
you're paying with your own money. I just think you
get the best value out of something like Katar or Emirates.
They're both pretty good. Singapore Lines is good.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
I would never know. I'll never know why. I just
I fucking can't have heard that. It's so expensive.
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It's gotta be strategic about when you buy your seats
and stuff.
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
I will say one thing, which is paper straws are ship.
Paper straws are ship, and in my house I bulk
by plastic straws because you do do a lot of
cocaine and you have extremely big nostrils.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hoover. I think your wife calls you sometimes I call
her that as well. So yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll be
You'll be using their nose to vacuum the carpet. For that,
that little comment, you should probably stop. Everyone tuned in
to hear stuff like this. Hmmm, it admits to oil
(01:06):
that you drizzled on. No, that is That's not me eating.
By the way, I'm just having my way with the janitor.
Donna's in the corner two years with to chuck a
leg over goodnight. He's a caramel Sunday. You got yourself, Donna.
Thank you. Darling got to be back on the program.
Jesus Christ, I've got a mcfuck theer. Any as you
(01:36):
choked to death, I'm gonna tell him. It was a
fucking happy meal. Here's your toy, Pavely. Oh god, what
have you been up to. I've been driving a lot
of cars, driving a lot of cars, been covering a
lot of range, planning a road trip. Actually, oh well,
(02:00):
I'll be going from Sydney to Melbourne Boring, which can
be a very boring road trip. I think we might
take the Cynic route, which is quite nice. I'm still sorr.
I've got a pube in my mouth from Donner m
So we might go through places like Maurumbula, Biger I'm
(02:20):
not sure. But and then once we hit Melbourne, we're
going to go up to the the country, the high
country of Victoria. Oh yeah, and we might do a
bit of skiing. Oh watt, Yeah, that's cute. And I
will be doing this all in a Genesis g eight
(02:41):
mm hmm. Your boy got back with Genesis. I'm doing
it all in a beautiful Matt Green the way it
should be. Spect here Matt Green. I'm hoping they'll do
the tan interior, but we'll see. So there's a bit
of a road trip comingly. But it's a cast sale
of my and fell through as in I went to
(03:01):
buy one and oh here's the thing. Right, So obviously
you know how I'm in not too much of a
rush to buy a car because our good friends at
MG have given me a long termer, which at the
moment is the HS, the Big Boy, and been quite
enjoying that. It's been good. I thought, well, look here's
(03:23):
a car that doesn't pop up too often. And it
was a bit expensive. It was like really pressing my budget,
and so I got a pretty good not a pretty
good price. I wasn't happy with it, but I'm like,
fuck it, I'm going to do it. I'm going to
do it. These don't come up much and smens is
killing me. What was the car? Wait for it? So Genesis.
(03:46):
I drove this beautiful you go around? No, no, you
go and I drive this beautiful car around and went, okay,
this is good. Now, as you know, I'm a family man,
yes I've had I need a family car, and I
thought it would be appropriate being the family man that
(04:09):
I am, to purchase an Audi ttrs.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Oh wow, so you're splitting from your wife and you're
getting into no no, no.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Head dressing for some reason. Stop it. I've got Genesis
for my hairdressing salon. Business. That's an interesting choice. Okay,
So I will say here's what I know about you. Yeah,
you're not a fan of the TT.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
No, the TTRS I am a fan of because he's
got the five cylinder engine out of the RS three. Yes,
that is one I would find acceptable, but.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Just acceptable and exceptional even. Yes, but how much I'm
cure actually, how many k's are pretty good? About forty
five thousand, what year as I think roughly a twenty
twenty okay, and how much eighty two drive away? That's
not too bad.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
How much were they knew they were pretty expensive? Yeah,
because the TT was about one hundred grand.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
The RS was like right up there, one hundred at
a stretch. I think I think brand new, around about
ninety five drive away. But yeah, the the RS was
x y as. I thought this was a pretty good
deal given what they are one for t trs when
it was new. So I took this thing for a
driver and I was like, it was just kind of
(05:28):
like I've always wanted to drive one of those, and
I'm like, you know, these don't come up much. Fuck it,
I'm gonna take it for dest drive. Booke didn't dest drive,
and I loved it ripped the shit out of it. Goodness, Wow,
what did you do to you? I think I've got
some Donna's labby according my foot. Sorry, darn's a bit
(05:52):
of a rolled up tissue paper. I didn't want me
Johnna properly Donna. Yeah. So I took the things for
a test drive. Absolute monster, really great car. In fact,
it reminded me. I got the same thrill from this
as I would in a nine to eleven, probably more,
because it's it's interesting when you've got a car you
could easily rip around and the powers coming from the front.
(06:15):
But it's it's it's just got such control and such
precision about it. I'll steal it just in case it
is normal tt. Yeah, yeah, that's right. But it's it's
just got some seriously good sounds to it and great power,
and it's so fucking engaged. Like ah, okay, So what happened?
So I said to we we were going to and
(06:37):
fro all week. Dealer or private dealer, okay, yep. So
we were going back and forth all week, and I
will say this was an Ourdi dealership too, so that
kind of meant a lot. I wanted to make sure
that it was going through. So, going through back and forth,
we agreed on a price finally, and to be honest,
eighty was kind of my top. I didn't want to
go eighty two is far acceptable. So we got to that.
(07:01):
I said, cool, I'm going to come down there on
Saturday morning and I'm going to get this sorted. And
then there was a sort of like do I pay
for this hour right or do I put this on finance?
And so I sort of thought, you know what I'm
going to just I don't know what they call it.
I'll put basically partial down and then do the rest
on finance. So I said, can you get your finance
(07:23):
guy to call me? Because I want to get it
all sorted. So Saturday morning, I give the guy i've
been dealing with a call. I said, hey, can you
can you get your finance guy to call me please?
I'm going to come down at midday today and we'll
get it sorted. But I want to make sure it's
kind of all paid for and done before I come down.
And then plus I wanted to know what their rates
were and stuff like that. So he goes, yeah, no worries.
(07:45):
So his finance guy called me and I had the
kid at the time, and I said, look, just give me,
give me five minutes, so I me just sort this.
She's just fall bloody, taken a stack on the bike.
Give me five minutes or go back. Call this guy
in five minutes. He didn't answer. Called him back again
in ten, didn't answer, fifteen didn't answer. I don't know,
and then i'd by the third time, I'd left a message,
(08:05):
and I think I sent the dealer a text as well,
like hey, just waiting on a call from your finance
guy back. And then about an hour later I get
this ping on my phone and they fucking sold it.
I'm like, that's a bit rough, like pay deposit though no, wow,
no no money talking in there in a good will game,
(08:26):
are they No? So I wasn't as devastated as I
thought i'd be. I was a little bit, but I thought,
you know what, this happens for a reason, Like, you know,
eighty grand's a lot of cash. I could get like
an affordable family view call, like an MG or something
like that. And then with the other forty grand, I
(08:46):
could probably get something like a nice secondhand boxter or
something like that, or an MG. Actually, so it's a
good exercise because I looked at like, okay, what can
eighty thousand dollars get me? Well, you know what can
eighty thousand bucks get me? I looked it up on
car sales, eighty thousand dollars. You know how you can
(09:07):
choose from power, power or whatever. Power at the top
of the pile. And of course it was giving me
a lot of Tesla fucking performance. So I unchecked that
and what else was the giving me? It was giving
me The top few were the MG four x power.
Oh yeah, it's the criterion. Yeah, whereas I like to
(09:27):
call it sex power because get a lot of action
in that. So that was good. And they're a good
looking carton. Yeah, and they're cheap. Um. It was just
coming affordable, thank you. That's that's the just looking at
that's on your contract words. Just looking for the terms
(09:47):
and conditions here. Please do not refer to it as cheap.
We prefer affordable. And please don't call it an electric car.
We call it new energy. I so, actually, speaking of
new energy, the by D seal performance had come up
(10:08):
as well, which I fucking love to be honest, I
love those cars. I sort of considered that as well.
So look I don't know, the jury is still out.
I thought, well, you know, maybe like a nice three
series beamer like in line six as well. Sorry, yeah,
lots of lots of options, but I don't know if
you've got any ideas. Yeah, hit cardy up, yeah, I
(10:31):
was talking about you. Oh you're the expert. What do
you reckon? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
It's you said you wanted a family car and then
you expressly went and didn't get a family car.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So well, technically I can put the kid in the
back of one of those. Yeah, so it's family to
me baby, Yeah, but not practical. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I'm gonna have to think about that. Maybe ask me
again later in the episode.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I think it's a tricky one because, yeah, family and
cool and performance. I don't think they've now that. Yeah, yeah,
there you go. There It is not how do you
go in the wet with that car? By the way, Yeah,
you don't go great in the way, you don't go
around corners. No, basically, yeah, so there's that ish. Yeah,
(11:17):
family and cool, it's a it's a tricky mix. Maybe
a maybe a Copra Travis scan Oh what travesty that
would be. I don't think there. I think Coopra are
great car. Actually, I tell you what I'm gonna I've
been trying to repair my relationship with the Volkswagen Group
of later and that. Yeah, that hasn't gone great. So
(11:43):
I will just say this, the Tea Rock Are I
find them just underwhelming. Tig One are though. Tig One, Yeah,
that's a different story. That's a nice that's a nice car.
The Tea ROCKR.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
They did do an update to the interior that made
it nicer, and it's got a good engine.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Very quick. Oh see, I didn't think so do you
press the throttle? Yes, it makes some cute, little like
complimentary sounds. I was like, okay, this is all you've gone.
Look at me my Tea Rock card too, dude. I
was like, Nah, this isn't happening for me. This isn't
(12:21):
going on. Do you know what really gets to me
about the Golfers Because there's such an iconic car and
they're a great car. I do like them. I don't
know why they've got this kind of vibe of we've
got to be understated in the way we look, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, well, I think they leave the overstated stuff to
Audi they're just kind of sticking with Volkswagen sort of being.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
But the GTI is I would argue that that's more
I guess at Landish if you like, a lot more
sort of expressive than the.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, I don't know the golfers like the executive sort
of thing. Really I think so, yeah, thank you wull shit.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah there's that. I don't know who's that. Yeah, so
let me know. Hey. By the way, we did touch
on the Seal Performance being a great car. Our good
friends at ev Direct and by d Oh geez. The
tabloids have gone berserk. They've the mummy and dad have
split split up. I wonder who's taken the kids. I
(13:27):
wonder if the cops were called. I wonder if it
was an argument on the front lawn, just like well,
fuck you, fuck youa nah, gone take your bloody. This
wouldn't have happened with if you didn't do the shark
Si dickhead Gordon, I'm taking the dolphin. Yes. So, just
(13:48):
for people's background, EV Direct kind of brought by d
to Australia.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
They were the sort of importer and they set up
the infrastructure and got everything ready by proper, then came
to Australia. And there was also then Eagers, who is
a big dealer group, who had an investment in EV Direct.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
So can I just pause this When you said BYD
came to Australia, does that mean you're talking about their
flagship stores.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Look, I don't know the real ins and outs of
it all. I'm not entirely sure how that all worked.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
But what they're doing now is basically BYD proper.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Is taking over importing these cars and being the point
of call for all this stuff, running the marketing, doing.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
The full distributors. They're doing absolutely everything. Yeah, but there's.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Now a separate company called EV Dealer Group, which is
basically a venture where Egers owns eighty percent of it.
EV Direct owns twenty percent of it. And this is
basically a five year agreement between by D Australia and
Eagers to then distribute these cars through the existing dealerships.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It is confusing.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And one thing I noticed down in Geelong they've got
Mercedes Benz dealer. And you know, because Mercedes bens has
been pretty quiet in terms of sales.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Wow, I'm not sad about that at all.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
So they're basically now half of the dealership as a
BYD dealer, but it's not like separated.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So all you see is the building that is Mercedes Benz.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
The front half is BYD, the road facing half, and
then the back half is Mercedes bens but it's all
in the same building.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Oh yes, they do that in Gosford as well. With Landrovers.
The front it's it's very split, I know, half of it.
And it's weird because Landrover are kind of tucked away
in the corner and then there's like this there. When
BYD was starting, it was odd. It was like this
one car and then they had this one pimply representative
(15:50):
kid like, well, do you want to show you're interested
a bow? I do? Do you remember they were delivering
them through my car? Yeah? Oh that was a hot mean,
it wasn't it. I mean what I know, who come
up with that stupid idea? But I think you've got
a fair idea.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
But yeah, it's like it's it's so weird because normally
what a car company would do is just go, hey,
I'm going to sell cars in Australia. But for whatever reason,
it has just not gone that way. And I sense
from the outside that there is tension between EV Director
and BYD because you never knew who to talk to.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's like, do I talk to that guy to get
the thing I need? Or to talk to that guy?
Well that's you though, that's you in the in the
car game. Yeah, but how does it work with a customer?
Who are they?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Who runs the call center when something goes wrong? Is
it EV Direct? Is it BYD who services the car?
Who do I pay my money to?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Who do I like?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
There's all these weird questions. So it's I'm glad that
this has now kind of resolved here. And look they've
sent there's a whole bunch of quotes that have come through,
and everyone's back padding each other and it's all very complimentary.
But I think behind the scenes it would be a
very different story.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
It will be interesting to see how this plays out too.
I wonder if EV Direct would take on other car companies.
I remember when we had Luke on, he was like
he had no interest in that sort of thing, so
judging by that, and he was really complimentary brand, but
(17:14):
he was he'swall black and Blue, Like they'd never take
on any other brands, and they were really happy with DDS.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Why would you bring another like bringing another big brand in. Now,
there's so many out there that people have never heard of,
so why would you bring in another one. BYD got
runs on the board early, so's MG, so's GWM. I
think they're all well established. Now you've got all these
other brands that have come in that you don't really
sort of know about, that are trying to sell cars,
and it's just a confusing concoction.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I kind of also think that surely they would have
expected something like this eventually, because they obviously had been
working with BYD for years to get something like this together.
Then they brought the cars out here and they've done
a brilliant job, like BYD is flourished in Australia, done
really really well, and you know, now it's kind of
(18:06):
got to a point where it's like, hey, cool, thanks
for setting us up. We're kicking ass. Will take it
from here, Champ. But that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
They've taken all the risk, So I think it is
fair that they've been paid out, and they would have
been paid out very handsomely in the background, because the
Eagers investment in ev Direct was in the tens of
millions from memory, so for BYD to basically take over.
Now they would have to, you know, buy that over.
I would have thought so it would have cost a
lot of money. So someone's made a lot of money
(18:32):
out of this. So it's just interesting, you know, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Have you had an any dealings with the Shark sex
of recent times. Yes, we did our updated video where
we took it back. Yeah, yeah, covered that. It was
still well it really isn't a shitcart. No, it'sat it's
great for day to day, but just don't take it
off road, yeah, for that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And since then there's just been people trying to just
desperately demonstrate how good it is road and just failing miserably.
And it's like, it's fine, it doesn't have to be that,
and I don't care if it is or isn't, but
it's not.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And that's that. What's that car that I feel like
it could be from Deep? It was a weird. It
was almost like this car ute hybrid. Oh the yeah,
I'm prett sure that was a deep hell like I
had the tray cover but yeah, it was kind of
like a and I'm pretty sure it's coming to Australia,
in fact, I know it is, but ah, god, I
(19:26):
can't remember, and I was really interested to know if
the EO cover right, that cover can be taken up
full time and you can use it as a tray.
I don't actually think it can. I think it's just.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I think you could, Like I'm looking at pictures of
it here, and it seems to be usable with the
cover gone.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It's an interesting, interesting market at the moment. So yeah,
it's I feel like we're in a We're in a
time where there's a lot of choice. There's the ice cars,
there's the hybrids, and then there's the EV. I think
at one stage we thought, look, EV's are just gonna
take over, and then I think, no, no, I reckon
(20:07):
hybrids will be sort of hot property moving forward. I
think they sort of overcooked it with full EV and
now like with all these Chinese cars coming in, these
EV's coming in, it's hard to know. There's so much
choice going on. You just went to the Shanghai Motor Show. Yeah,
so Shanghai and Beijing alternate. Did you blend in because
you kind of look a little bit.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I'm going to tell you some funny things in a minute,
So let me run you through the show and the scale.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Of it first, you do that while they eat some
while you eat some more.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
So basically Shanghai Motor Show is enormous and if you
look at motor shows in Europe, they're all dead, like
I mean that, no one really does motor shows anymore,
and if they do, not many people go there. China,
on the other hand, is insane. So the first two
or three days are media only, and there was tens
of thousands of people there for the media days only.
Throughout the course of the two weeks the show is running.
(20:57):
They expect over a million people to come through over
three days over the month that the show is on.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
For the public.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
That's decent now, and it is enormous. It's cross eight
massive halls. Each hall has like an upstairs and a downstairs.
It is on another level and there's just so much
stuff that blew me away. So one of the big
things over there at the moment is live streaming. So
at pretty much every stand, you had a line of
maybe ten people all dressed kind of the same with
(21:29):
a phone on a tripod facing the car. Then they
would put their hands in front of the phone and
would be doing like hand gestures and would just be talking.
At this for like an hour straight, and what they
were doing was live streaming the car that was just
revealed so that you could buy it. And then they
get a commission and they all work for a company
where this company is getting commission for each car they sell,
(21:52):
and it.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Was so funny. Well, I don't understand. So a car
has just been revealed and they're standing in front live
streaming it, and then what happens? How are they selling cars?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
But you go by it because everything also in China
has done through like wa Chat, so we chat is
not only a messaging platform, but it's a payments platform.
Everyone has their websites and their portals on there. You
book an uber or dd through there, like it is insane.
But then they have these people that are live streaming,
and what would happen is because they're all lined up,
(22:24):
one would move a little closer and all of a
sudden they would be in the shot of the next.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Guy, and they're all yelling because they're just so fucking
loud in there.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Then the next guy would move in and then all
of a sudden, they're all like a meter away from
the car because none of them wanted to be in
others shots. But because one did it, they all had
to do it. It was the most bizarre thing I've
ever seen.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Wow, I'd love to kind of get on one of
these live chains and work out what they're doing. So
they're standing in front of the car, they're talking in
the public, Hey if you want to talking stats, Yeah,
it's live comments are streaming, So they would be answering
questions and they'd be just NonStop a car that's just
been released. That's a pretty incredible skill.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, But they would then have a second phone in
their hands that you couldn't see on camera that was
all the specs, so that they could just rifle through it.
But they were talking a million miles an hour and
for hours straight. It was just unbelievable. So we were
being hosted by GWM and GW and revealed a V
eight which in yeah in the tank is insane.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So turbocharged V eight that looked cool. Crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
So it's so cool to see that the car development
in China has not slowed down and to the point
where last time I was in Shanghai, which is probably
ten years ago, everyone was just driving European cars. They're
all just because that was the status thing. And then
the guys that couldn't afford European cars, we're just driving cheap,
shitty Chinese cars, which back then weren't very good. Now
(23:46):
all of the European cars are ten years old. No
one is really driving European cars. They're all driving their
national product. And some of them are spending like two
or three hundred thousand dollars on stuff like that yangwang
U nine.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Oh yeah, and that's nice.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And is that a derivative of BYD Yeah, that's a
bid division. So some of the other stuff at the
show that blew me away BYD and Cattle. They sort
of showcase this battery charging technology that basically will give
you like three or four hundred kilometers of charging range
within three or four minutes. Wow, which was really cool
to see. But the thing is with them as well.
(24:21):
This isn't like the Europeans where they go, oh, we're
testing a prototype car with solid state batteries. It'll go
on sale in twenty twenty nine. These guys are like,
we've got this battery here on show, it's on sale
from next month in that car. It's crazy insane, And
it was just the scale and the pace at which
they're working that has completely blown me away.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So now here's some weird, weird stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
So someone came up to me and they're like, oh,
can you do can you do an interview for people
at GWM? And I was like, yeah, what about Oh
let's ask you some general questions and I was like yeah,
no drums and like, can you just be here at
eleven so rock. This dude comes up to me. He
gives me this five pages of fucking words, so question
(25:08):
and then an answer, but the answer was like ten paragraphs.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And I'm like, the fuck is this?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And he goes, I just need you to recite all
of this and I'm like when and he goes on
the video interview. I'm like, I can't learn all of
this and I hadn't read it at this point and
he goes, oh, and it's live as well, and I'm
like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And I said to him, so it's GWM, but who
was the interview with? Well, it was being streamed on
their global social media. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Reading this and the question was what do you think
of GWM? And it was all this rambling stuff and
then it was like it provides me inspiration and it
is one of the world's best car brands. I'm like,
the guy's fucking serious, and I said, I'm not going
to be reading this happy to be interviewed.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
So it did come. He's what you should have said. Yes,
it emmitts her they make Precision lubric and Blue brookhems.
And I couldn't say better myself, but you could.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, so this dude has I saw the trail of
cameras coming and they said just stand here and look
surprised when he comes up to you.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I was like, okay, what so saw this jude?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
See you?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Ronald heard his accent and it was an English accent.
So when he started talking to me, I was just
trying to be a bit funny and talk about Australian stuff,
and I'm looking at this guy.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I'm like, he has no idea what I'm talking.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Jokes are dying in And then we get through this
this interview and then I'm like, what the fuck just happened?
And someone said to me, they hire all these white
Russian guys who put on English accents to make it
look posh.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
He was an actor.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I don't know, but it made sense when I was
talking about all this English Australia type stuff that he
had no idea about.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
The guy has probably never been to Australia or the UK. Yeah, No,
it was weird.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
And then throughout the show I would randomly have people
come up to me and ask me for interviews. Oh
what do you think of this our brand? What do
you think of the styling? And you would just go
through and have all of these random interviews with people
and you don't know where it is. One time this
dude comes up and he's like, Oh, what do you
think of the show? Another Russian English guy? And then
in the background I could see the girl filming on.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Her phone, but he had not mentioned that. I just
thought he came up to chat to me.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I'm like, dude, I can see her filming, I can
see the microphone on you at least say hey, do
you want to be part of this?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh? Did you say that to him? No? But I
was like it was just weird.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
So it was the whole thing to me blew me away.
And I can see that they're producing all these cars,
but they're trying to legitimize themselves by employing these white
guys to do the fronting of everything. They're trying to
break through to a Western World, which I can't of get.
It is a different way to do things. And to
be honest, I could see as well. Again because we
(27:58):
were with g WM. We went to all their cars
and they had like twelve or fifteen cars for us
to drive, and we rock up to a fucking car
park and I'm like, old, what is this? And it
was literally a car park with all these slalem courses
and I'm.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Like, what is this? Oh, like a like a like
a driver defense kind of training set of thing, you know,
like a like a shopping center car park.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
We had no specs on any of these cars, so
I'm frantically googling half of these cars are and we
then spend fifteen seconds behind the wheel doing this slalem
and they just rush up to.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You what did you think?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
And I'm like it had fuck loads of body roll
and understeered a lot. Yeah, because it's a giant four
wheel drive. It was like an a ladder frame suv.
I'm like, you've set up.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
A fucking slalem course here? What did you expect to happen?
I just love it if you like hit some poor
old bird just carrying the shopping to a car.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, it's this is just and I can see why
they did it, Like you can't just drive on the
road in China as a tourist to get like a
tourist license which involves a test our group. With GWM
globally had like let's say two hundred journalists there, so
getting two hundred journalists a tourist license would have been impossible.
So I can see that they're working with constraints, but
(29:14):
they still just don't get it. And you could not
get away with doing that with any other brand because
you would get torched. And look, I was upfront with
the video that we shot. I said, listen, this is
all I've got to deal with. I'm going to be
upfront and say that none of this is really all
that impressive because none of it was, to be honest
on that course. So yeah, it was just a hard
thing to work around, and I think they're still a
(29:34):
bit naive in terms of how they're working, but I
will be curious to see how it all pans out.
And just a side note as well, with the fast
battery charging stuff, you know, people look at it and
they're like, oh, you know, EV's about to turn a
corner here with charging but when you actually break it down,
those charges needed a mega water of electricity. Like if
you're setting up a charging station in the middle of
(29:56):
Australia somewhere, or on a high regional highway somewhere.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
To be honest, anywhere in regional Australia getting you know
what I mean, ten charges ten megawatts of electricity.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
That is a lot of fucking electricity. So people just
don't get that. And that's why I reckon. While it
may work in China where they've got a lot of
diversity in terms of their power sources, and they just
do not stop. It just will not work in Australia
for quite some time.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I wonder how do they get that working over there,
Like they've got so many people, and like China is
on it like people. I just love reading some of
the comments I see in our content.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I'll never buy anything China is. They got no idea
Like go to Shanghai. It is one of the most
advanced places in the world. Yes, they If you drop
yourself in the middle of Shanghai, you wouldn't even need
to know the rest of the world exists. Everything is there.
You want for nothing, and they have everything that you need.
And people who think China is in some economic trouble. No,
(30:52):
not from what I could.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Tell, like it is. This is a bustling place.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Their car market is out of control, so you know,
and they sell over thirty million new cars a year
just in China.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
So that's why they can get away with making half
of this shit because they know that even if you
only have ten percent of the market, you are bigger
than the entire Australian market times three.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And you look at say BYD who are like one
of the if not the biggest brands saler in China.
I mean, fuck, there's no wonder that they took over
from MeV Directs and they've got money behind them. They
just wanted someone else to kind of look after the
nitty gritty. No, but it's it's exciting stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
So funnily enough, this probably won't make any sense to
anyone except people with the tech background. We had to
do like live crosses back to Australia for Sunrise, midday
news and six pm news.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Little celeb you have seen it, yeah, but anyway, have
you got have you got like celeb clout about you? Now?
Do you kind of walk up and just I picture
you walking through TV studios and just slapping the brand
power Chick on the ass get a touts.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
But it was interesting over there because for us, for
our live stream equipment to work, you have to have
like it accepts six sim cards. It's called a de geio,
and it was very hard to get data sims over there.
So we had to get one of our locals over
there to get us these data sims, and he had
to pledge to return the data sims when we were done,
because it's like a weird thing for someone to have
(32:19):
more than one data sim. Oh and I couldn't buy
it from a shop, just like a data sim for
a tourist. Oh really, So it was crazy. So it
was touch and go there because one of our live
crosses was like five am, so I had to make
sure it was working and stuff was just a bit
hairy at one point. We've got it working in the end,
but just even the process of doing that, because they've
(32:39):
got all these firewalls in place as well, I'm like,
this may drop out halfway through our live cross honestly,
just insane.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I've been to China once and I loved it. I
was only there for a couple of days. But I
think it's fantastic. I just you're exactly right. There's just
some things that China do better and that we've got
to accept that, like the common section blowing up with
there's bloody Chinese cash. I'm not briefacing building them. They're
not even quality mate stuff like that. The Chinese are
(33:08):
ruling the world with and they can scale and they
should because like they've put a lot of hard work
into it.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
They can scale production unlike anyone else in the world.
You can't, like with all this tariff stuff that's going
on at the moment, Apple cannot manufacture iPhones in the
US because A you can't get the parts.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Network in the US. That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
B The work ethic, Like I know that obviously in
China you've got issues with the way some workers are treated, but.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
There's a forest dedicated to it.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
But their work ethic is if you are due at work,
you're at work, you work hard all day, and you
go home.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
You don't go on working from home to know because.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Whatever, like it's not like and in the States, manufacturing
is hard work because you've got to pay people a
shitload of money. You've got all of these dramas about
people who.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
First of all, I wouldn't say it's a shipload of money.
Those people who are working in the Amazon warehouses aren't
eating a shipload of money. I mean, compared to Australia,
they would be.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I mean, the US dollar is so strong that but
equally over there it's quite expensive to live. Right in China,
it is much cheaper to live so obviously they're not
the same thing. But it is the scale of manufacturing
and their work ethic and the ability to source parts
over there that makes huge scale production possible and why
a lot of companies are going to be in trouble
(34:29):
because they've based everything around China and if all of
a sudden you get all these tariffs slapped on stuff,
you no longer have a business.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
So yeah, but the culture is different. Yeah, and that's
a really good point. That's pretty much exactly why they're
a powerhouse with this sort of stuff. Except when it
comes to a little car that I test drove to
the point where I hated it so much i returned it.
(34:57):
After two days. They're like, oh, yeah, you're back, And
I said, just take it, please, just take it. This
car isn't finished. I'm talking about the Leap Motor C ten.
It's a stupid name. To start with a stupid name.
No matter where you look at it, Leap Motor just
sounds like some sort of fucking learning game for children.
(35:19):
And seed ten and sound two. Yeah, seed ten. I
don't know, it just sounds so clinical. So yeah, Leap
Motor C ten forty five thousand to forty nine eight
like that little touch. Depending on the variant, I will
say the best thing about this car is the way
it looking. What's that handing it back? Well, yeah, and
it's flicking back. I was going to say the keys,
(35:39):
but it doesn't even come with keys. It's actually a
pretty good looking car. I will say that straight up.
It looks really good. The one thing I found so
weird was it's got this light bar up the front.
But you only get that in like Chinese models or overseas.
It didn't make it past the Australian test or whatever.
But isn't that so old because there's so many cars
(36:01):
with that front light bar here there's rules around distances
of light lights from the center of the car, or
there's some stupid rules.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Around that are just and this is you know you
look at the side note the new model, Why is
just that can pass it?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I couldn't understand why this could. Design rules are so dumb.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
They just have all of these idiotic things that don't
exist anywhere else in the world.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
So twenty inchalloys, five hundred and eighty lead boot space,
it's got a decent bum on it up to four
hundred and twenty four kilometers in WLTP. Here's where it
started to go wrong. So the key is not a key,
it's a card or you can use your phone. So
I've got a big problem if like your phone or
(36:45):
a card is your only options to get in the car. Well,
say you're a fucking mum, you've got three kids, You've
just come back from shopping, your phone's dead. All you
want to do is the only way to open this
boot is with the card. So you can't actually do
the whole. It says you can, but you can't because
(37:05):
I tested it. You can do that kind of bootswipe
under the car. When so say you're fishing around in
your handbag, you've got no proximity sensing key. You've got
to get this fucking card out and tap the side mirror.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
No, but I disagree because I had a Tesla for
five years and never had an issue with my phone
being flat. But if you did, you just go to
the card. Your phone will work all the time.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah, but if you've got the card, would that car
open BI proximity?
Speaker 3 (37:35):
No, but your phone has used the rest of the time,
So why would you then lug around a key. I
think key's a complete waste of time, Like they're just pointless.
If you can do it with your phone, which you
always have in your.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Pocket, say your phone's dead, you can log into the
app and unlock the car from any other phone or
use the card. That sounds like a massive dick around.
I'd never once had that happen to me in five
years of owning the car. Well, you're a nerd with
a fully charged phone.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
And I'll say as well, Apple, and this won't work
if it's an app. But Apple Key, which they use
for BMW's and a couple of other brands, now they
actually if your phone does die, there's a reserve battery
capacity for.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
The key work. Oh okay, so there's fixes for that
as well. Look, I just found it an absolute punish
I I just didn't enjoy it whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, but I just vastic I'll say, is if you
were an owner, you would just have your phone paired.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I don't know, like just using this car to open
the door and you're clicking it on the mirror and
it doesn't work that great to be honest, like you're
really tapping this thing away. It's like it's still not opening. Also,
I found like the other only way to open the
boot was to get in the car, use the infotainment
and click on the boot button. It was just like,
don't do that. At least the key that you hate
(38:44):
so much has fucking everything on it.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Well, yes, I've unfortunately my mystery car from herts as
a shipbox Pollstar, and that's got the same thing where
the boot. I just cannot figure out how to open
it easily without having to use the key. There might
be a button there somewhere, but I couldn't find it
and gonna be bothered looking any them, but I already did.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
The infotainment doesn't even have Apple car Play or Android Order.
I mean, that's just dumb. The only sort of apps
it has. By the way, footnote, I think I believe
that's coming, but it won't be an update till the
end of the year. So to get home to use
this car's navigation system just was a piece oh shit, massively. Yeah,
(39:24):
it's got Spotify and Zoom, but that's about it. I
just I would rather sit down to take a piss
on an ant's nest then I would sitting in this
fucking leap motor c ten. I don't say that like lightly.
I wanted to like it. I really remember was saying it, going, fuck,
this is really nice looking. It was all black, it
(39:44):
looked really slick. But this is a hard pass. I
wouldn't recommend it at all. I think they undercooked it.
I think it's not ready, and I think that it's
probably got potential. I think they've got a really cool
speck where it's I like a green on the outside
and and a tan on the inside. It's got a
very Donald Trump style tan on the inside. Everything is
(40:06):
this this weird kind of tan. So yeah, it kind
of looks nice, but that's where it ends. For me.
It's a hard pass. I wouldn't recommend it at all. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Well, I mean I don't think they've really sold any
of them, so there's not really much to know to
go by. And that's the thing these cars, if they're
not ready and they're not up to scratch, no one
will buy them. Like it's a brand no one has
ever heard of, So why would you go? And now,
just very quietly as well, I'm now looking at a
YouTube video of the Polster to boot opening from the outside.
(40:38):
There was a button buried near the red o plate,
so you're going to stick your finger under there, and
that's where it opens intead somewhere little.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Ridge round in the Polster anyway, it's a poster five
coming out posta. Yeah, who cares? I reckon, they're a
great looking car. We're so divided on the Polster.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I would just never own one because they horrifically expensive
and depreciate terribly and have built like shit?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Are they built like shit? So the last one that I.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Drove was a horror show. It should not have left
the showroom. It was like your elite motor experience.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I just found them a little bit just mundane and clinical.
Like the inside. I remember thinking it's it's got this
kind of scandy feel about it, you know, with their
yellow handy. Yes, it's got this yeah scandy via China.
It's got this kind of yellow seatbelt vibe going on.
I was like, it's you know, it's it basically looks
(41:33):
like an accountant's car who fills his shitty little one
bedroom apartment with Ikea furniture. That's who would buy that car.
But they're a nice looking car, pavel A, he's a
little bitch. He doesn't lack posta too. You've worked with
it a Mitsu before at their launch event, right, I did,
(41:55):
I did, mate, I went to their launch event. I
am seated. Actually your boy am seated. Said the whole
thing very nice, delicious Japanese restaurant. But I'm really impressed.
I'm really impressed. These guys have been leaders in oil
innovation for over a century. You know, they're the ones
trusted by Toyota and Mazda to deliver precision engineered oils
(42:16):
straight from the factory, and now now they are bringing
the same expertise to ossie drivers. What stood out to
you the most, well, A lot did, actually, Pavlo, thank
you for asking that non prompted question, and it was
their nanotailored oil, which is why we're here, because this
stuff is next level, and now they don't just make
generic who haa products. No, no, not these guys. Every
(42:40):
formula is designed with purpose. For example, let me tell
you something. The IFG three, Oh, this stuff is perfect
for city driving. This is what you want for city driving.
This is your stop start traffic, the stuff that puts
stress on your engine. But then there's the IFG seven,
This is the stuff for your beast pavlay the high
(43:01):
performance vehicles. Seven layers of protection seven. I sound a
bit New Zealand. Seven layers of protection Anyway, they've got
no cleansing tech. It stops oil breakdown and it even
just sorts it in the harshest condition. So if you're
driving a Japanese car, the IFG five, oh, that stuff
is build for precision engineered engines. It's offering five layers
(43:25):
of protection to keep your engine clean and running smoothly.
So that sounds like a lot of attention to detail.
Oh so much detail, so much I nearly forgot it all.
But the IOG seven isn't just oil. Just know that,
because it's like giving your engine a custom suit of armor,
like a little massage. As well. It doesn't just protect
your engine, it optimizes performance. If you're into keeping your
(43:48):
car in its absolute best nick possible. This is the
oil you want, and now it's easy to get too.
It is very easy. Are you ready for the longest
website I've ever had to reach out? Here? We go
au dot Inamitsu slash no no slash tailored slash oil
dot com. I said to it, amits you, I said, guys,
(44:09):
don't give me that. Let's just tell them that if
they search out it AMDSU Australia on the Googles, they'll
find where they're going. You know what I'm saying. They'll
ship it straight to your door. No fast, top tier
oil wherever you are.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Ok. If it's good enough for manufacturers like Toyota and
mazdav and, it sounds.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Good enough for me. Hmmmm exactly. You know with in AMIDSU,
you're getting oil that's designed to handle whatever you throw
at it. They've been trusted for the best part of
over one hundred years. Yeah, look it, Amitsu taking you
beyond engine protection to real driving excitement. I think I
could read that better. You ready it Omitsu taking you
(44:49):
beyond engine protection to real driving excitement? Was that good? Yeah? Hey, hey,
K four, what do you want to talk about anything else? No? Well,
just KK four, it's like a little underwhelming.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, and what I found as well, it's got this
throttle hang where but just the breaks are very hard
to apply when when you release the throttle.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Was that on the GT line. Yes, the GT is
the one with the one point five turbo. See, here's
my thing. Like, I love a Kisidan as you know,
a former Stinger owner. I think you jumped to my
Stinger once before. Yeah, we picked up Donnor and we
had a great night at KFC after that. Oh Jesus
(45:38):
O KFC works. She loves a greasy box Donnor, she
loves it, loves a bit of finger licking chicken. Yeah.
So I was really excited about the K four and
I actually think the K four looks really good. Looks
really good, And I reckon the guy who designed this
would probably would have just taken a seat when the
(46:00):
final product was put out after he jumped in it,
because it really does the outside styling such an injustice
when you hop in it's so underwhelming and disappointing. I
was in the Sports Plus spec. Here's my thing. When
you sit in a car and you're getting second from
the top and you're putting your hands on a plastic
(46:21):
steering wheel like grip. Whatever you do if you're a
car company, doesn't matter what speck it is. Put a
little bit of fucking effort into the steering wheel because
guess what, it's the thing that gets touched the most.
Like me, it's it's it needs to look good, you
know what I mean, and it needs to feel good.
And this thing was just it looked it looked good,
(46:42):
but it like, as soon as you touch it, the
whole thing is just one big chunk of plastic. I
love what they've done with the little logo in the
corner and the way they've set everything up, but god,
as soon as you touch it, it's just a cheap hunk.
I'm like, what are they doing? The interior is just bland.
I did think it just had no colors. It's just
(47:02):
like the GT Spec has bigger alloys. I think they
go from eighteen to nineteen. It takes it from the
two liter four cylinder to a one point five turbo
one point six, a little punchy thing which I'll be
curious to jump in. Did that have a I mean,
you might not have anything to compare it to, but that, Yeah, look,
it's it's punchy. It's got an eight speet auto, which
(47:24):
is good. I mean the Serrato this is effectively, I guess,
a new little sort of Serrato GT with a glower.
It's not this is the thing. The Serrato GT was
more sport oriented. This is GT Line. Yes, so it deliberately,
isn't that? Yeah, I don't know. I just I just wasn't.
It's such a shame way with it. I just think
(47:46):
they had so much potential with this, and yeah, they
really got let down by just some key stuff. And yeah,
I just it's disappointing. Outside looks fantastic, inside is lackluster.
Maybe the GT speck is a bit better because I
think you do get the two tone interior and obviously
the punchy engine, but you also get I think it
(48:07):
takes it from around about thirty five thousand to I
want to say forty four.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
It is expensive as well. That's the thing that I
was probably surprised with the most that it's a lot
of money for that car. I'm just having a look
at prices now.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
GT Line is drive away forty seven grand. It's a
lot of money. And that's the thing when kiya get
it right.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
They really get it right, like they put together a
really solid car and this just unfortunately was not it.
This is not it. So what else is what's coming
up on your horizon? Going to India?
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Yeah, are you're testing I'm Ahindra or is it a launch?
Is it a random launch in India? Yeah, it's a
new Leap motor c C eleven.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yeah, it's going to be in India, which will be interesting.
And then yeah, then off to the States and then
off to Europe.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
So I'm going to be busy cagey about that India trip. Yeah,
there's some secret stuff with him. He's a he's got
a secret Indian lover over there. His name is his
name is? His name is Rug and Josh yeah all
over that. Yeah. Yeah, he really courage your flavor. Oh yes, ma'am,
(49:24):
check out Pavlo's little puppa dumb well listen, have fun
in India. Yeah, try not to get dissonery, which is
I think a diarrhea an old term for diarrhea.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Look, I'm actually have a pretty strong stumming I can.
My wife hates this about me. When we went to
Ballei ages ago when we were younger, I would just
eat street food and just drink water from the tap
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
And she would just be like, you'd just be licking
handrails in the shopping center. And I say shopping center
very largely, it's more of a local market.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
Yeah, she was like, I just hope you ship yourself
on the way back to the hotel.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Just happened. Touch with it. I'll be in India. Yeah,
spriting like ies. I mean, you put your finger over
the end of it. Have you seen those reels where
it's like just the best of Indian street food and
it's literally just a dude cut and chicken with his toenails.
(50:25):
I love that. Guys like chicken breasts at his foot
and just cutting out by very bad stereotypes. That is
not what happens over there. What about the Temple of Rats, Yeah,
I don't know about that. That's a real thing. Yeah,
that's a holy thing. Well, you probably stay in luxurious accommodation,
no doubt, and go over there on your business class
(50:45):
flat and we'll land there on business So that would
make sense. What's what's the best business class and worst
business class? I bet you'll say quantus is good.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
No, Quantus is one of the worst. I think Qatar
is one of the best.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
I had a bit of a chuckle me and my Wath.
We're just on the socials and I said, check out
where Pavlay is. He's at the airport, but he's acting
like he's really disappointed to be leaving his family. As
you took a photo of the Captain's lounge menu Chairman's
land so good. Oh jeez, I'm really disappointed to be
(51:25):
leaving my family. But anyway, and loves to Morning the
loves of Morn. Mister Merrick, would you please, I've told
you put that shit between two slices of bread. I'd
like to eat it like a sandwich.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Yes, but yeah, it just it depends if you're if
you're paying with your own money. I just think you
get the best value out of something like Katar or Emirates.
They're both pretty good. Singapore Lines is good.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
I would never know. I'll never know why. I just
I fucking can't have heard that. It's so expensive.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
It's gotta be strategic about when you buy your seats
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Here's your points when you can wonder. Okay, thank you.
That's some some economy tips and saving advice from not
the barefoot investor, the hairy foot investor Pavele morak ah Right.
I contacted the Driver Shows dot com dot Au. Would
be awesome to get some feedback, some emails, our instapage
where we put a whole heap of our VIDs at
(52:24):
the Drivers Show, dot com dot Au and the web
the website. Do people say that the drivershow dot com
dot you like? Listen, subscribe, share? Have I nailed it
this way? I think so? Yeah? Change? Who needs to
write this shit down?
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