September 10, 2024 • 36 mins
This was a fun episode. We talk about Toyota replacing over 100,000 engines in the US on Toyota and Lexus products and how it may affect Australians.
We also go back to chat about the epic Hyundai Ioniq 5 N. Even if EVs give you ick, this thing is a stack of fun. What isn't fun, though, is the Abarth 500e and the Subaru Solterra...but more about that in the episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm back in our studios, back together, the automotive Industry's
Kamala Harris. Thanks, thanks for coming in cackles.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, but I'm not pretending to be a murdering journalist.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Either, am I. I've said that from the start. I
don't know what the fuck I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm glad this has not been six months now, no
between dranks.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Good to see you. You've cleaned up. You've really cleaned
your habit up. You're not living in the box anymore. Actually,
that's a lie. Geelong is a how is that joint going?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It's a moment, Yeah, mainly leaving it.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Are you in Caria? Are you in?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You know they call me the King of Kiah.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, they got you the big dog. Actually, I remember
when I was living in Geelong. I was driving a
dats in two sixties that at the time, and because
literally it would take me half a tank to get
to Geelong and half a ten to get to Melbourne.
So I would stop in at the servo just sort
of you know the pullover where just outside cryo there,
(01:08):
and as you're coming in it's like a slip lane.
This fucking idiot was driving up like the split lane
at like one hundred k's an hour, and I was like,
what is it? Nearly took me right, and so I
remember I tootored my horn at him and he stopped
at the lights. He could have made it, but he
decided to stop. I'm behind him, and as I'm about
(01:29):
twenty meters behind him, he comes out of his car
with a crowbar. It was like dog man off I
current affair back. I'm like, okay, please, please, please, don't
hurt my precious car. And I didn't hurt you can't
do that.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, you were pretty good about it.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I did have to smack you with a rolled up
newspaper that does sound like Geelong.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, interesting spot. I did miss it. Actually, I remember starting.
I used to start. I worked at the radio station
there and I look, okay, right, it doesn't rock, it rocks.
I remember I'd start on a Saturday morning. I'd do
the weekend shift as well, and be walking in to
the radio station at five in the morning. And I
(02:13):
was living just up near Geelong Geelong Hospital and it's
like a five minute walk if that so, it's a
five minute walk. So I'm walking down five in the
morning and literally got like attempted to be jumped by
about six blokes just chasing me to fucking work and
(02:34):
as and back then the bottom of the radio station
was a bank, and so you take the elevator up
to the radio station. So quickly jumped in the quickly
got into the sort of bottom complex elevator. Sorry, the
sliding glass doors open. Quickly press the close button and
just like it was like a movie, just as they
(02:54):
were coming up banging on the doors. Oh Jesus, you know, yeah,
I thought it was a strange thing for my mum
to do, but yeah it was. Look geelong times, man, gee,
long times. Yeah, what's been happening with you?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
What has been going on? Oh? We both recently drove
the Iron five in. Oh my god, such a good car,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
That is the greatest electric car, at least the greatest
performance electric car there is. It's yes, Oh my god,
it's immensely perfect. It's just so great in every way.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
They've done such a good job with it.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I actually I had the chance to drive the RN
twenty two E, which was the prototype for the On
five in, at an event in Germany a year or
two ago, and I was blown away with that that's
when they were still playing around with gearshifts and stuff.
Then I got to drive it in Sweden when they
were doing the final stages of the ice testing for
(03:53):
the stability controls, and I was really impressed with it.
Then when we drove the final vehicle, actually because I
did think at the time the gear shifts and some
of the stuff that they had was a bit gimmicky.
ORE didn't know how it would work. When we drove
the final vehicle, I was blown away with how well
everything was integrated.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well you know what that was I saw on Kodogan's podcast.
That was that particular segment of the car I think
was developed at least helped developed by an Australian guy.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, Tim, Yeah, he was basically with that team that
developed that car under the leadership of Albert Bierman, who
was the former boss of him. And to me, when
he puts his name to something, if it's shit, he
doesn't want to know about it. And in this instance,
I think that he showed that they can really do
a performance ev And what's become evident since then when
we drove it at the proving ground, we're able to
(04:42):
do like seven farst slaps when it was quite hot
and it had no power degradation. The brakes were fantastic.
Some cars you get one lap in of the right
and handling track and they will begin falling apart and
break fades like it was just garbage. So that end
is a bona fide electric car. And even to the
point now where Tesla they held the release of the
(05:02):
Model three Performance. All three Performance was then released and
it has just been a steaming pile of the pool
in terms of the reviews from people who actually drive
like it's meant to be driven. So it is interesting
that Tesla will now need to go back to the
drawing board and probably pull apart in Iro five and
to figure out how to make an electric car that
doesn't suck when it comes to performance driving.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, I went in the Tesla Performance and I was like,
it just it didn't feel like even that much of
a jump from the old one. Yeah, it didn't even
feel like a like a two point Ohero, do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah? But that I actually can I say as well, Tesla.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
My video might be out by the time this podcast
is out, but Tesla, they are just such conniving connivers.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Because they excuse.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Me for a second, sorry, yes, what really, Okay, I'll
take him out. I'll take him out for you. For you,
Jordan Peterson, is that you do no worries. Sorry, go on.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So typically when we take a car to the proving
ground to film our video content, we let them know
that it's a private road and some insurers don't cover it,
and in the past with Tesla, they've put speed.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Limitters on their cars for some bizarre reason.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So this time around, we had the Model three Performance
lined up for a review and we said to them, look,
you just need to make sure you remove the speed limitter,
and they go, you know, we'll need to get approval.
And just so you know, we're not allowing you to
test track mode. I'm like, what the fuck why we're
on a track and yeah, we test cars. One of
my other colleagues literally took it to a racetrack and
they would have let him test track mode and he
(06:37):
cooked the brakes on the car and said it in
his video, and they wouldn't allow us to test track mode.
It's like he's had a fucking track, Like, how much
more track mode track do you need? So anyway, I
said to her look, we're not going to take the car,
then I'll just go rent one or get one off
someone who owns one. Because if you can't stand behind
your product and you're too scared for us to actually
test it, then I can tell you right now your
(06:57):
product is going to absolutely suck it. I don't even
need to drive it. So I just think Tesla has
just become so wrapped up in its own bs that,
you know, it's just really quite frustrating when you can't
actually test the car.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It's like why bother putting a car out to test?
All they do is give them out to influences.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
We go, oh, it's so great, it's so quick, Like,
put did your test, You drive it around for a
little bit, and that was it. We're going to actually
test it so that if you do want to buy
it and take it to a track for the advertised
track mode, you'll know that it is going to last
a lap, which it just hasn't been able to do
it so far.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, and I think, yeah, when we go if we
go back to the Ionic Fi, then there is such
sophistication in that car, both in an engineering aspect and
a design aspect. And I think just the imagination too
behind it. I know that sounds weird, but the fact
that someone thought, why don't we make this car really
feel like a performance ice car? And it really does,
(07:52):
and it freaks you out how accurate they've got this too,
Like everything from the pool when you're changing gears, to
the revs to just there. It's so hard to get
a normal performance ice car, I guess, to feel a
road so well. Yet they've done it kind of in
a digital way, if that makes sense. Ye, do you
(08:14):
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
No, they've done an unreal job.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
So the only downside to that is the price, especially
with Tesla's repricing of the Model three Performance. So when
I first bought a Model three Performance, it was one
hundred and about one hundred and five on the road.
So now the Model three Performance, because they've gutted the price,
is like eighty two grand or something plus on roads.
The Onic five Event is one hundred and ten or
one hundred and eleven plus on roads. So it is
(08:39):
definitely a much better cast, significantly better in every way
than a Model three Performance. But is it that much better?
I don't like. Yeah, likely it is, but can you
justify spending an extra thirty grand and look, to me,
I think you can. But I just don't think they'll
be able to sell it to the masses because I
(09:00):
think a lot of people will look at that and go, well,
I'm not going to spend an extra thirty grand. I'll
just get the Tesla instead, because a lot of people
won't access the stuff that the end does.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I think this car, I think this is the sort
of car, even being an ev it sits with a
certain bracket, and I don't actually think it sits next
to a.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Tesla, No, exactly, this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It actually sits next to faster internal combustion cars, which
are all significantly more expensive.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, that is clear as day.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
And so that's what I'm saying though, So I thinks
that problem right, I think, in no respect, one hundred
and ten, one hundred and twenty thousand isn't too bad
for what you're getting with them.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
But the problem is that everyone will compare it to
a Model three. And I think that's the biggest issue.
If you drive them both sides to side and back
to back, you would never get the Model three. But
I just think that when people look at this and
they see the cost of EV's going down. I think
they get a bit stick of shock when they see
the price of it.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I don't know, Yeah, I think this is just so
out of a Tesler Brackett. I can't see how people
would I mean, technically, I guess you could compare it,
but I just think they're two completely different cars, and
I don't think I don't think that really journalists should
be comparing this to a Tesla Model three Performance, but.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
They will marry.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Those fake sounds are pretty good too.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I think they're great, and a lot of people that
own this car now are using those sounds because it
just gives you that sort of realistic driving experience. It's
just as I find it really fascinating.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
It's such a fun car. It's really great. Actually, there's
a dude I'd love to get him on. We should
call him on the podcast next time. But he's a
bit of an influencer with this car, and he literally
has a GT three RS next to it, so there
is two sort of you know, cars in his garage,
and it's interesting to hear his thoughts on how different
(10:53):
and what he enjoys about each one. I think the
thing that I really loved about the end was you
can take this from a performance what feels like a
let's call it a performance ice car to a quite
smooth commuter, like a daily commuter. And yeah, at the
flick of a switch, it's just if you you can
(11:13):
and you can flick between the two so much. I'm
just sort of I was thinking about.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
It, you know what, just to put some of the
speed into into reference for people and perspective.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Were actually shot a drag.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Racing series where we drag race the Ionic five N
up against literally everything from a Rolls Royce to a five.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Million dollar Lamborghini that is limited in numbers is that
the new diablou Kutas.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
But one of the cars that it genuinely surprised me
by was McLaren p one, which is which was one
of the Holy Trinity.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's literally a hypercar.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
The Ironic five N crossed the finish line in a
rolling race at almost the exact same time like it
was a bees dick in it. So to think that
that a hyena can match like what is now a
three million dollar McLaren p one, I think it's pretty unreal.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Done such a good job with it.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I saw someone take theirs to like a drag track
and it was just hilarious, like everything that was coming
up against it, I just smoke. It was what's this
guy even doing? He just like cruises on out of there. Yeah. Interesting, interesting,
such a brilliant car. God, I'd love to drive like.
I'd literally love that as a as a daily car
(12:26):
like I think that was my one. Yeah, maybe I will,
maybe with my with my Marrick dollars, maybe I will.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And the what else are you driving at the moment?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Oh, you want to know what it needs to be?
Would you like to know what else I'm driving at
the moment.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
My genis GD sixty on the way to the salon.
It's beautiful, it's spawty, it's a little bit ritzy, and
my dog Pavley loves just sit in the back and
as he has a doggy baby Gina, he get a
little bit of froth on his nose. What's that little puplay?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I'll stop clicking up bum Only Steven could.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Do that.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Anyway. I don't think I've got that car for much longer.
I'm still gonna say, but look we do the little
voice as I'm just gonna tell you, I quite like
the car.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I really enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I'll tell you what was. Okay, this is gonna this
is gonna divide me and you in a big way.
There's a car that I drove and our bloody was.
I'm so confused as to why I like it. I'm confused.
I'm confused as why I like this car. Guess what
it is? What do you think it could be?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Oh, it's Trevor's car.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
The Jesus No, No, a about five hundred eight No, that's.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Just an absolute no.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I know. Here's the thing. Mine was tennis ball green
in fact a look like a sleepy tennis ball with
its new lights and all that sort of stuff. It
does less than two hundred k's in range, Like you're
charging this every couple of days. It's sixty thousand dollars
and it makes fake noises. It's just so fun.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I don't know why I like it. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
It's just like it's such a dicky little car. I
love it. Just stop stop saying that.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Stop it Jenesis sixty.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I quite like what what did?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
What?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Did you not? Like?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Everything? Like? What outrageously overpriced? I just think it is
a stupid car.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
What about the like the competition on like the we had.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
We used to own one at Car Advice and I
hated that thing. It had no cruise control, it was
ship to drive.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
It's just no, the buttons are weird on it, really stupid.
I've got made who is young bloke here? I work
right and poor dude like he bought one brand new
from the dealer an E No, not an E, just
a yeah, ah put it from the dealer. And this
(15:18):
is a guy who's like it's his first big car,
like his first brand new car, you know, and he's
already like it's fully conked out. It's a break new car.
Oh dude, you can't.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Like I just would not trust an Italian electric car.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, I don't know. I find it fun. It's a
good little commuter.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Now it's speaking of conking out.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Oh yeah, let's talk about what is going to be
quite a costly little recall. Yeah, not in Australia at
this stage, but in the States, more than one hundred
thousand Toyter, Tundra and Lexus Lex V six petrol engines
need to be replaced.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
More so the Tundra. They ryan the Alex that's a
beautiful looking car.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So there is a lot of engines. So basically what
they found was some examples of the engine had debris circulating. Well,
they found debris, and the concern is that it could
circulate through the engine lead to knocking, rough running, and
even a loss of powrot speed which could lead to
an accident or death. So to me, this is going
(16:28):
to be very expensive, and I think as well, hats
off to Toyota because a lot of car companies would
just go, oh, see how it goes, and then if
your engine shits itself, will then fix it. This is
what Ford did with power shift, right. They knew that
those gearboxes were shit and they would only replace them
if you had a problem, went through like three other
attempts to fix it, which was that they never really worked,
(16:51):
and then eventually you'd have to get the gearbox replaced.
By that point, people are like pulling their hair at
toy It is just going no, look, there's the risk
of it happening. It may only it may happen, But
we want to get them, get them out and replace them.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
It's a big call. It's a big thing to do.
So even though there's hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Engines, right, yeah, even though this the alex is sold
in Australia with this engine. We still don't know whether
it is an issue for Australian vehicles. We're still yet
to find out.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But I thought it was not affecting the hybrids, right.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, it's got nothing to do with the hybrid stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
It's all.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Three point four later. So yeah, that's that's big news.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
So for Toyota that really has rarely has a big step,
that is that is a massive, massive thing.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Being the Kamala Harris of the automotive scene, you should
probably shed some light on this one. This is okay,
I'm kind of taking this one with a grain of
salt because Trump has pledged to kill I guess, or
just block Chinese TV subsidiaries.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
What's that just the long pause? Trump has pledged.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
To kill dot dot dot. Yeah, we'll get back to
you after this short break. So he's basically and I
was watching the Republican convention when he got up to speak,
I sat it running in the background.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And then is your mentor and he's your religious icon.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
He's a zero.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, so absolutely, But anyway, we won't get into that.
So he got to the end of it and he
basically said that if he's elected he will end the
electric vehicle mandate on day one, thereby saving the US
auto industry from complete obliteration, which is happening right now,
and saving US customers thousands and thousands of dollars per cup. Now,
(18:29):
there is a lot of merit to this because at
the moment in the States they have federal tax credits
for electric vehicles. Tesla has basically funded their business globally
from credits like this and fines from other manufacturers overseas.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And guess who's paying all of that, Well, the American taxpayer,
right correct.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
So the American taxpayer, I think doesn't really know that
the scale of this. And Biden has already committed billions
and billions and billions of dollars to this, to this
green subsidy. And he then went on to say that
he will hit Chinese vehicles with one hundred percent tariff
in the US. Now, one hundred percent, I don't really
(19:09):
sell that many Chinese vehicles in the US anyway, but
one hundred percent is significantly more than what they've just
put in it in Europe, which varies between twenty and
forty percent. But the funny thing is some Chinese companies
are saying that's fine, we can still make money off
that would.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
This affect Tesla because obviously Tesla like make a lot
of their cars in the States, they also make them
in China.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
And I know it's weird because like and Elin and
Trump are.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Like, well, that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I think Elon saw what was happening, and he's committed
to something like sixty million dollars a month to fund
Trump's campaign, So I think he's hoping for a favorable
outcome here. But I think realistically what will happen is
they'll probably dial back those subsidies and I think that
he will say you will only be allowed to sell
vehicles if they're made in this country.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
So it'll be interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I think it's do you think it'll worked, Well, look
at it this way. If you don't do it, you'll
end up with what we have in Australia where you
just cannot manufacture anything because it's insanely expensive and everything
from China is cheaper.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
So you know, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
For the Australian consumer, but ultimately you're going to get
to a point where you just don't have a manufacturing industry.
And the issue they have in the States is the
automotive unions over there are so so powerful that you
just cannot do anything without their endorsement. And Tesla is
one of the few manufacturers that doesn't have unionism, so
it means that they can get around some of these issues.
(20:33):
But when these unions come in and just demand more
and more money, it just becomes impossible to manufacture cars.
So the only way around that is by saying to
all these brands, you know, you will get hit with
tariffs unless you manufacture here, and that, in theory, should
spread out those jobs and make it more cost effective
to manufacture cars in.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
The States.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
So yeah, there a isn't there A. Isn't there an
American brand apart from Tesla that manufacturers in China?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Oh there's there's heaps, There's heaps.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
So the difference though is Tesla was the first car
brand that didn't have to have a JV with a
Chinese company. So what I've heard from some sources is
that when you're a manufacturer, like let's say Volkswagen, and
you go to manufacturer in China and you have.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Your JV, typically the JV is fifty or fifty.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
One percent owned by the Chinese company, and even though
you have joint decision making, they pretty much call all
the shots.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
So when you go, oh, look.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
We'd like to release this thing, and they go, I'm
you sure about that, and you go no, no, that.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Was a terrible idea. Kevin's fired.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
So yeah, I think that this is you know, Tesla
is one of the only ones that doesn't have that.
But ultimately, you know, as we've seen, Chinese government has
If you run a company in China, they have access
to your information. Yeah, so I don't know how they
get around that.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
But and the cameras in your phone and a lot
of other things.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
No comment, they what they do.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
They have accessed to a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, but I'm sure many companies do.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
To have access to your TikTok account, I know what's
going on and you snapchot.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
All the letters on the US.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
But yeah, I think it is interesting times. If Trump
gets in, I think we're going to see I can
see that Silicon Valley is excited because he's he's his
vice president is a tech businessman, so it's great news
for the tech industry. He's talking up crypto, which is
fantastic news for anyone in that industry.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
For you and me. But yeah, he took me n
fts buy any chance.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I look there naturally on the way out. It's like
a penfolds gronge a.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You can't even pronounce it. How do you pronounce it?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You leave it in the cupboard.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It will go up in value, even your young d NFTs.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Unlikely but anyway, but yeah, look, I think that it is.
It is interesting times and I can't wait to see
what happens. If he gets in, you'll get in, you
know you reckon?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yes, of course, of course I think Camala, Mala, Camilla.
I'm sorry, I can't say her name. Kamala. No wait, sorry, no,
I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Kamala, Come on, Kamala? Is it Kamela or Kamala camel tuck? Anyway,
So another story that I thought was interesting. Actually two more,
this one plus another one. Volkswagen owners are claiming that
steeringwel buttons are causing crashes.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Technology Publication ARS Technica reports that at least thirteen crashers
crash reports have been filed in the US National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration, many of which involve certain Volkswagen vehicles
hitting objects while parking.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You tried to tell them with the haptic touch, you
tried to.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I did, And this is the annoying thing.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Every time we took one of their cars for a
drive around the proving ground sports cars, my hands would
be on fire. I'm like, what the fuck is going
on here? And it was the heated steering wheel. It's
the capacitive touch button was right on the edge, so
you keep rolling onto it. And I think a lot
of owners just struggle with using these correctly and they're
basically phasing them out. They've gone back, right, yeah, but
(24:07):
some cars still have still have the.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Tig Is it the tig One's gone back? Yeah, tig
one amrok yep. I think the new Golf eight point
five Yeah, oh god, do you know what? They need
to also stop the haptic touch of volume control, which
wasn't that bad, but it was just like, guys, what
are you doing? You don't need to do that? And
they've got that have they got that in? They've got
(24:32):
that in more than Volkswagen Skoda yep.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
So they are fixing that and it is actually exciting
because Rivian and Volkswagen have signed like a five billion
dollar deal for Rivian to supply the software stack for
Volkswagen's future evs from twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Use yeah, something something.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
So that is exciting because it means that Volkswagen had
a service called I think it was carryad.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Basically it was an.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Absolute disaster and it delayed a lot of Volkswagen's roll
out of electric vehicles. And it just has to do
with I listened to a podcast with r. J. Scrima,
who is the CEO of Rivia and the founder, and
you listened to some rivetings, but he was basically saying
that their cars are different because you're plumbing everything through
(25:25):
basically a central computing network, whereas currently with cars you
have situations where you've got countless tens of CPUs that
manage certain things. So he said, basically, if you wanted
to make a change to the way that a driver's
door opens when a driver grabs the handle or beeps
or something like that in a traditional car, you'd basically
(25:47):
have to have the computer that manages the door handle,
the computer that manages the passive unlocked, the computer that
manages the infotament system, the computer that manages the lights
in the audio. You would have to make all of
these changes. And because it's all sourced by third party suppliers.
You basically have a headache to make all this stuff happen,
whereas with Rivian, because it's all controlled by the one
(26:09):
set of code, you're basically just making one change.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Oh far out, that makes more sense, are you right?
It's just in your pants. You're having a bit of
a Biden moment. What's going mom? Mom?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
There was one where he was in there speaking and
he goes, mom, so you stand up and she'd been
dead for like ten or fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Really, my favorite was he was like, I'm just very
proud to be like the first black vice president, Jesus Christ.
Time to sit in that chair, Time to sit in
the chair man, You've got cognitive decline.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
This is you really are worry now.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
This is not a political show. But he right at
the end there it was just like what will he
do next?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Like us just a train wreck. But anyway, I loved her.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I was having poo in a box. I don't know why,
but just like poo in a box and.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Just in the last one I wanted to quickly mention
goes just this crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Story we ran on the site the other day. It
was about this Ford Fairlane. It was zed El Fairlane.
It's been left at a shopping center and let me
just triple check with John's so Northcote Plaza down you alway,
for over ten years it's been parked in the car
park in the exact same spot.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Now, is this a proper old like fairlane or is
this a zed.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
L was in the eighties, late eighties, and it's been
sitting there for that long, no regio plates, sort of
dusty and all that sort of stuff. Basically, the reason
it's been there was the former owner's son asked for
the car park for the car to be left in
the car park because it belonged to his father. And
(27:53):
the father passed away and he had some sort of
connection to that shopping center.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
What and what was he like a janator there or something?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Sure, we worked there.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
So basically he passed away more than fifteen years ago
and the car has been there the whole time, and
management have basically come out and said, well, they're going
to let the car stay there. Someone regularly cleans it
and make sure it isn't sort of too damaged.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I did someone in there is like a little tribute.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, father, Yeah, At the shopping like he loved this
shopping center. Yeah, and I really can't be fucked moving
this car.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I think it's a nice feel good story, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
So like it's like a little it's like a like
a mureral.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They put like a little fountain or something around it.
Maybe you can truck something. Coiner there, what happened? Let
me get this right. So they leave the car there
and people come to wash it.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, someone cleans it, and so they open it up
and it's just the outside, just the inside.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I'm glad you're finally coming around to the concept.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Waste a fucking time. That was my inside voice. I'll
change that. I feel like we're going to go in
another six months, break.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Everybody, if I don't die from whatever I got.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
What have you got there? Have you got a bit
of COVID? No, I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
By the way, not real. So that was a joke, clearly,
So please don't ride in.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I say you're having sex with the COVID bat outside.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
A fish or monkey?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
No, no, it's definitely a bat. Was this a little
present that your kid brought back from daycare?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Probably got that she goes around just licking things. I'm like, no,
don't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
She gets up from her dad, I'll stop.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Does she.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Um? Oh my goodness, speaking of oh my goodness, super
usol terror you pass.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Got to drive that? Yeah, lucky you. A few will
ever drive one.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
The cousin of the TOYOTAZ four x b Z four x,
which sounds like a fucking it sounds like a coffee order. Well,
elon Musk's other kid. It's probably the older one, the
older one blowing the long hair. keV stop at.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Gen So Salteria reason. I think it's stupid, okay, And
the Toyota isn't the toy.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Wait can I pause? You really you think you're not
a fan of that, but you're okay with the Toyota.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
With the Toyota, you can go from driving a Cambri
to driving that and everything feels the same. It's got
lots of buttons. It is just Toyota. It is then
backed up by having an Australia wide dealer networks. You
can charge it at any of the dealers and it's
it's easy. It just is easy, right, it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I didn't know you could do that.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
That's the Subaru. It is like the Toyota, except without
the dealer network and without it being like any other
subar aside from the fact it's all will drive well.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I mean it's their very first EV. I get what
you're saying, like, does it still fit in the realm's?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I just don't get why you would release it in Australia.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
So I think in sort of places like California where
it feels good to be driving an EV, fine, whatever
you can get away with it. There's lots of EV's,
lots of charging in Australia where none of that's really developed.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Why would you buy a super U of all EV's.
I just it has.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
One feature that the Toyota doesn't have, and it's such
an amazing feature. Do you know what this car can do?
It can if you're like on grass or some sort
of like loose gravel. Maybe you've got like a maybe
you live on acreage with a big driveway. You can
do sort of like a semi off roady cruise control
with it.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
And you've got like a bushy landing streep.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Little bushy bush you can just really cruise on the
bush yep and you can't do that in the bee
Z four.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
X, yes, because an EV doesn't belong like an EV
like that does not belong anywhere near an.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Off road like a bit of an off road vibe.
It's just putting from the rough really, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You're not a fan. I didn't like. I don't. My
feelings aren't as strong as yours. It was okay, it
was like my thing was. It was fine because it
technically did everything it sort of claimed to do. It
was just fine. And I feel like the EV market
is so saturated at the moment with good stuff, Like
whether you like it or not, there's some heavy competition.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
It's expensive, why would you buy it?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And well I sort of got confused as to this
is going to be your debut EV and it's fine.
Like I sort of think, if you're going to do this,
you've got to bring your A game on. And I
think Superu have missed the mark on that lately a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
But you have a look at Suberu, right, You've got
some of their products are just super ute. Forester is big,
it's got lots of room, the outback is big. It's
sort of you can do light of fighting and all
that sort of stuff. WX is stupid, it's dead. No
one really cares about that anymore. But with the EV,
it just has nothing that is super u about it. Like, yes,
it has all will drive, but big big deal. That's
so easy to do in an EV. It just has
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no trademark Subaru stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I think they've tried to carry on the the looks
a little bit, maybe that sort of.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I think what they've done is they've gone, we have
a free platform to work with with Toyota. What is
the least amount of effort we can put into this
to make it a super Oh I know, let's give
it a cruise control for off road that no one
will ever use.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I don't think they're put in the least about of
effort in this car.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I would love to see an EV on the market,
even your Genesis.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, they made the thing six Oh yeah, they've even
got like the spinny thing in the middle. It looks
different and it's the same platform, but they've gone to effort.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I can't think of any other platform E Tron and
Tykwon they're just different cars. I can't think of any
other platform that less effort has been put into making
it unique.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Mustang marquees. Pretty boring.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
No, but that's it's not shared with other Ford stuff.
That's true. It is its own car.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Like I can't think of any other shared platform where
they have just put less effort in.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Hmmm, yeah, actually that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
There's there's heaps of vs Ye platforms.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Okay, yeah, well look you might have a point, very harsh.
What's wrong? Are you grumpy? You know what I think
it is? You haven't eaten chumps, I haven't haven't eaten
soon in your belly and you need a tummy rub
and you need a bit of a ride in the
genusis hey? Before we wrap this sacker up, tell me
one quick thing. You are looking forward to driving.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I am going on a top secret mission.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Is that why you're wearing a fake mustache?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Shades?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
So next time we talk on the podcast, I will
have seen I will have seen a very special big
SUV that everyone is waiting for. Seven cedar, yes, and
eight Cedar and it's an SUV that did once have
(34:54):
a V eight but no longer. Will don't guess it
because I'm not allowed to say what it is.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But have we talked about their brand recently?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yes, it would be on the next show, so I'm
very very excited for that.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Okay, Yeah, we're just trying to think how I could
dole up this one. There is a car that I
will be driving next week and it is a new
car to Australia current General, new brand to Australia as well,
and rival is one of the greatest selling cars in
this country.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I'm confused.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Really, would you like a clue?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
No?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
No, Contact at the Drivers Show dot com today. See
if you can guess Gordy's in mine, because I still
don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
What yours is. Actually a clue is okay? Don't tell
me though?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Do you want to, I'll give you an audio clue.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
You ready.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Stop it? Do you know what that is? I did
the flaps and everything that is going to make it,
that's going to make it amazing real?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Oh goodness, do you know what that could be? Yes?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, there you go. There's six of them.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Anyway, jeez, gaggle.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Anyway, contact us the Drivers Show dot com today if
you can guess what is up?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
You can tell This episode didn't have as much planning
as the last one.
I'm back in our studios, back together, the automotive Industry's
Kamala Harris. Thanks, thanks for coming in cackles.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, but I'm not pretending to be a murdering journalist.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Either, am I. I've said that from the start. I
don't know what the fuck I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm glad this has not been six months now, no
between dranks.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Good to see you. You've cleaned up. You've really cleaned
your habit up. You're not living in the box anymore. Actually,
that's a lie. Geelong is a how is that joint going?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It's a moment, Yeah, mainly leaving it.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Are you in Caria? Are you in?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You know they call me the King of Kiah.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, they got you the big dog. Actually, I remember
when I was living in Geelong. I was driving a
dats in two sixties that at the time, and because
literally it would take me half a tank to get
to Geelong and half a ten to get to Melbourne.
So I would stop in at the servo just sort
of you know the pullover where just outside cryo there,
(01:08):
and as you're coming in it's like a slip lane.
This fucking idiot was driving up like the split lane
at like one hundred k's an hour, and I was like,
what is it? Nearly took me right, and so I
remember I tootored my horn at him and he stopped
at the lights. He could have made it, but he
decided to stop. I'm behind him, and as I'm about
(01:29):
twenty meters behind him, he comes out of his car
with a crowbar. It was like dog man off I
current affair back. I'm like, okay, please, please, please, don't
hurt my precious car. And I didn't hurt you can't
do that.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, you were pretty good about it.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I did have to smack you with a rolled up
newspaper that does sound like Geelong.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, interesting spot. I did miss it. Actually, I remember starting.
I used to start. I worked at the radio station
there and I look, okay, right, it doesn't rock, it rocks.
I remember I'd start on a Saturday morning. I'd do
the weekend shift as well, and be walking in to
the radio station at five in the morning. And I
(02:13):
was living just up near Geelong Geelong Hospital and it's
like a five minute walk if that so, it's a
five minute walk. So I'm walking down five in the
morning and literally got like attempted to be jumped by
about six blokes just chasing me to fucking work and
(02:34):
as and back then the bottom of the radio station
was a bank, and so you take the elevator up
to the radio station. So quickly jumped in the quickly
got into the sort of bottom complex elevator. Sorry, the
sliding glass doors open. Quickly press the close button and
just like it was like a movie, just as they
(02:54):
were coming up banging on the doors. Oh Jesus, you know, yeah,
I thought it was a strange thing for my mum
to do, but yeah it was. Look geelong times, man, gee,
long times. Yeah, what's been happening with you?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
What has been going on? Oh? We both recently drove
the Iron five in. Oh my god, such a good car,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
That is the greatest electric car, at least the greatest
performance electric car there is. It's yes, Oh my god,
it's immensely perfect. It's just so great in every way.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
They've done such a good job with it.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I actually I had the chance to drive the RN
twenty two E, which was the prototype for the On
five in, at an event in Germany a year or
two ago, and I was blown away with that that's
when they were still playing around with gearshifts and stuff.
Then I got to drive it in Sweden when they
were doing the final stages of the ice testing for
(03:53):
the stability controls, and I was really impressed with it.
Then when we drove the final vehicle, actually because I
did think at the time the gear shifts and some
of the stuff that they had was a bit gimmicky.
ORE didn't know how it would work. When we drove
the final vehicle, I was blown away with how well
everything was integrated.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well you know what that was I saw on Kodogan's podcast.
That was that particular segment of the car I think
was developed at least helped developed by an Australian guy.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, Tim, Yeah, he was basically with that team that
developed that car under the leadership of Albert Bierman, who
was the former boss of him. And to me, when
he puts his name to something, if it's shit, he
doesn't want to know about it. And in this instance,
I think that he showed that they can really do
a performance ev And what's become evident since then when
we drove it at the proving ground, we're able to
(04:42):
do like seven farst slaps when it was quite hot
and it had no power degradation. The brakes were fantastic.
Some cars you get one lap in of the right
and handling track and they will begin falling apart and
break fades like it was just garbage. So that end
is a bona fide electric car. And even to the
point now where Tesla they held the release of the
(05:02):
Model three Performance. All three Performance was then released and
it has just been a steaming pile of the pool
in terms of the reviews from people who actually drive
like it's meant to be driven. So it is interesting
that Tesla will now need to go back to the
drawing board and probably pull apart in Iro five and
to figure out how to make an electric car that
doesn't suck when it comes to performance driving.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, I went in the Tesla Performance and I was like,
it just it didn't feel like even that much of
a jump from the old one. Yeah, it didn't even
feel like a like a two point Ohero, do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah? But that I actually can I say as well, Tesla.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
My video might be out by the time this podcast
is out, but Tesla, they are just such conniving connivers.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Because they excuse.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Me for a second, sorry, yes, what really, Okay, I'll
take him out. I'll take him out for you. For you,
Jordan Peterson, is that you do no worries. Sorry, go on.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So typically when we take a car to the proving
ground to film our video content, we let them know
that it's a private road and some insurers don't cover it,
and in the past with Tesla, they've put speed.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Limitters on their cars for some bizarre reason.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So this time around, we had the Model three Performance
lined up for a review and we said to them, look,
you just need to make sure you remove the speed limitter,
and they go, you know, we'll need to get approval.
And just so you know, we're not allowing you to
test track mode. I'm like, what the fuck why we're
on a track and yeah, we test cars. One of
my other colleagues literally took it to a racetrack and
they would have let him test track mode and he
(06:37):
cooked the brakes on the car and said it in
his video, and they wouldn't allow us to test track mode.
It's like he's had a fucking track, Like, how much
more track mode track do you need? So anyway, I
said to her look, we're not going to take the car,
then I'll just go rent one or get one off
someone who owns one. Because if you can't stand behind
your product and you're too scared for us to actually
test it, then I can tell you right now your
(06:57):
product is going to absolutely suck it. I don't even
need to drive it. So I just think Tesla has
just become so wrapped up in its own bs that,
you know, it's just really quite frustrating when you can't
actually test the car.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It's like why bother putting a car out to test?
All they do is give them out to influences.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
We go, oh, it's so great, it's so quick, Like,
put did your test, You drive it around for a
little bit, and that was it. We're going to actually
test it so that if you do want to buy
it and take it to a track for the advertised
track mode, you'll know that it is going to last
a lap, which it just hasn't been able to do
it so far.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, and I think, yeah, when we go if we
go back to the Ionic Fi, then there is such
sophistication in that car, both in an engineering aspect and
a design aspect. And I think just the imagination too
behind it. I know that sounds weird, but the fact
that someone thought, why don't we make this car really
feel like a performance ice car? And it really does,
(07:52):
and it freaks you out how accurate they've got this too,
Like everything from the pool when you're changing gears, to
the revs to just there. It's so hard to get
a normal performance ice car, I guess, to feel a
road so well. Yet they've done it kind of in
a digital way, if that makes sense. Ye, do you
(08:14):
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
No, they've done an unreal job.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
So the only downside to that is the price, especially
with Tesla's repricing of the Model three Performance. So when
I first bought a Model three Performance, it was one
hundred and about one hundred and five on the road.
So now the Model three Performance, because they've gutted the price,
is like eighty two grand or something plus on roads.
The Onic five Event is one hundred and ten or
one hundred and eleven plus on roads. So it is
(08:39):
definitely a much better cast, significantly better in every way
than a Model three Performance. But is it that much better?
I don't like. Yeah, likely it is, but can you
justify spending an extra thirty grand and look, to me,
I think you can. But I just don't think they'll
be able to sell it to the masses because I
(09:00):
think a lot of people will look at that and go, well,
I'm not going to spend an extra thirty grand. I'll
just get the Tesla instead, because a lot of people
won't access the stuff that the end does.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I think this car, I think this is the sort
of car, even being an ev it sits with a
certain bracket, and I don't actually think it sits next
to a.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Tesla, No, exactly, this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It actually sits next to faster internal combustion cars, which
are all significantly more expensive.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, that is clear as day.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
And so that's what I'm saying though, So I thinks
that problem right, I think, in no respect, one hundred
and ten, one hundred and twenty thousand isn't too bad
for what you're getting with them.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
But the problem is that everyone will compare it to
a Model three. And I think that's the biggest issue.
If you drive them both sides to side and back
to back, you would never get the Model three. But
I just think that when people look at this and
they see the cost of EV's going down. I think
they get a bit stick of shock when they see
the price of it.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I don't know, Yeah, I think this is just so
out of a Tesler Brackett. I can't see how people
would I mean, technically, I guess you could compare it,
but I just think they're two completely different cars, and
I don't think I don't think that really journalists should
be comparing this to a Tesla Model three Performance, but.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
They will marry.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Those fake sounds are pretty good too.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I think they're great, and a lot of people that
own this car now are using those sounds because it
just gives you that sort of realistic driving experience. It's
just as I find it really fascinating.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
It's such a fun car. It's really great. Actually, there's
a dude I'd love to get him on. We should
call him on the podcast next time. But he's a
bit of an influencer with this car, and he literally
has a GT three RS next to it, so there
is two sort of you know, cars in his garage,
and it's interesting to hear his thoughts on how different
(10:53):
and what he enjoys about each one. I think the
thing that I really loved about the end was you
can take this from a performance what feels like a
let's call it a performance ice car to a quite
smooth commuter, like a daily commuter. And yeah, at the
flick of a switch, it's just if you you can
(11:13):
and you can flick between the two so much. I'm
just sort of I was thinking about.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
It, you know what, just to put some of the
speed into into reference for people and perspective.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Were actually shot a drag.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Racing series where we drag race the Ionic five N
up against literally everything from a Rolls Royce to a five.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Million dollar Lamborghini that is limited in numbers is that
the new diablou Kutas.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
But one of the cars that it genuinely surprised me
by was McLaren p one, which is which was one
of the Holy Trinity.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's literally a hypercar.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
The Ironic five N crossed the finish line in a
rolling race at almost the exact same time like it
was a bees dick in it. So to think that
that a hyena can match like what is now a
three million dollar McLaren p one, I think it's pretty unreal.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Done such a good job with it.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I saw someone take theirs to like a drag track
and it was just hilarious, like everything that was coming
up against it, I just smoke. It was what's this
guy even doing? He just like cruises on out of there. Yeah. Interesting, interesting,
such a brilliant car. God, I'd love to drive like.
I'd literally love that as a as a daily car
(12:26):
like I think that was my one. Yeah, maybe I will,
maybe with my with my Marrick dollars, maybe I will.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And the what else are you driving at the moment?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Oh, you want to know what it needs to be?
Would you like to know what else I'm driving at
the moment.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
My genis GD sixty on the way to the salon.
It's beautiful, it's spawty, it's a little bit ritzy, and
my dog Pavley loves just sit in the back and
as he has a doggy baby Gina, he get a
little bit of froth on his nose. What's that little puplay?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I'll stop clicking up bum Only Steven could.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Do that.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Anyway. I don't think I've got that car for much longer.
I'm still gonna say, but look we do the little
voice as I'm just gonna tell you, I quite like
the car.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I really enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I'll tell you what was. Okay, this is gonna this
is gonna divide me and you in a big way.
There's a car that I drove and our bloody was.
I'm so confused as to why I like it. I'm confused.
I'm confused as why I like this car. Guess what
it is? What do you think it could be?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Oh, it's Trevor's car.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
The Jesus No, No, a about five hundred eight No, that's.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Just an absolute no.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I know. Here's the thing. Mine was tennis ball green
in fact a look like a sleepy tennis ball with
its new lights and all that sort of stuff. It
does less than two hundred k's in range, Like you're
charging this every couple of days. It's sixty thousand dollars
and it makes fake noises. It's just so fun.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I don't know why I like it. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
It's just like it's such a dicky little car. I
love it. Just stop stop saying that.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Stop it Jenesis sixty.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I quite like what what did?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
What?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Did you not? Like?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Everything? Like? What outrageously overpriced? I just think it is
a stupid car.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
What about the like the competition on like the we had.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
We used to own one at Car Advice and I
hated that thing. It had no cruise control, it was
ship to drive.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
It's just no, the buttons are weird on it, really stupid.
I've got made who is young bloke here? I work
right and poor dude like he bought one brand new
from the dealer an E No, not an E, just
a yeah, ah put it from the dealer. And this
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is a guy who's like it's his first big car,
like his first brand new car, you know, and he's
already like it's fully conked out. It's a break new car.
Oh dude, you can't.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Like I just would not trust an Italian electric car.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, I don't know. I find it fun. It's a
good little commuter.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Now it's speaking of conking out.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Oh yeah, let's talk about what is going to be
quite a costly little recall. Yeah, not in Australia at
this stage, but in the States, more than one hundred
thousand Toyter, Tundra and Lexus Lex V six petrol engines
need to be replaced.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
More so the Tundra. They ryan the Alex that's a
beautiful looking car.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So there is a lot of engines. So basically what
they found was some examples of the engine had debris circulating. Well,
they found debris, and the concern is that it could
circulate through the engine lead to knocking, rough running, and
even a loss of powrot speed which could lead to
an accident or death. So to me, this is going
(16:28):
to be very expensive, and I think as well, hats
off to Toyota because a lot of car companies would
just go, oh, see how it goes, and then if
your engine shits itself, will then fix it. This is
what Ford did with power shift, right. They knew that
those gearboxes were shit and they would only replace them
if you had a problem, went through like three other
attempts to fix it, which was that they never really worked,
(16:51):
and then eventually you'd have to get the gearbox replaced.
By that point, people are like pulling their hair at
toy It is just going no, look, there's the risk
of it happening. It may only it may happen, But
we want to get them, get them out and replace them.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
It's a big call. It's a big thing to do.
So even though there's hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Engines, right, yeah, even though this the alex is sold
in Australia with this engine. We still don't know whether
it is an issue for Australian vehicles. We're still yet
to find out.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But I thought it was not affecting the hybrids, right.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, it's got nothing to do with the hybrid stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
It's all.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Three point four later. So yeah, that's that's big news.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
So for Toyota that really has rarely has a big step,
that is that is a massive, massive thing.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Being the Kamala Harris of the automotive scene, you should
probably shed some light on this one. This is okay,
I'm kind of taking this one with a grain of
salt because Trump has pledged to kill I guess, or
just block Chinese TV subsidiaries.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
What's that just the long pause? Trump has pledged.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
To kill dot dot dot. Yeah, we'll get back to
you after this short break. So he's basically and I
was watching the Republican convention when he got up to speak,
I sat it running in the background.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And then is your mentor and he's your religious icon.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
He's a zero.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, so absolutely, But anyway, we won't get into that.
So he got to the end of it and he
basically said that if he's elected he will end the
electric vehicle mandate on day one, thereby saving the US
auto industry from complete obliteration, which is happening right now,
and saving US customers thousands and thousands of dollars per cup. Now,
(18:29):
there is a lot of merit to this because at
the moment in the States they have federal tax credits
for electric vehicles. Tesla has basically funded their business globally
from credits like this and fines from other manufacturers overseas.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And guess who's paying all of that, Well, the American taxpayer,
right correct.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
So the American taxpayer, I think doesn't really know that
the scale of this. And Biden has already committed billions
and billions and billions of dollars to this, to this
green subsidy. And he then went on to say that
he will hit Chinese vehicles with one hundred percent tariff
in the US. Now, one hundred percent, I don't really
(19:09):
sell that many Chinese vehicles in the US anyway, but
one hundred percent is significantly more than what they've just
put in it in Europe, which varies between twenty and
forty percent. But the funny thing is some Chinese companies
are saying that's fine, we can still make money off
that would.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
This affect Tesla because obviously Tesla like make a lot
of their cars in the States, they also make them
in China.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
And I know it's weird because like and Elin and
Trump are.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Like, well, that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I think Elon saw what was happening, and he's committed
to something like sixty million dollars a month to fund
Trump's campaign, So I think he's hoping for a favorable
outcome here. But I think realistically what will happen is
they'll probably dial back those subsidies and I think that
he will say you will only be allowed to sell
vehicles if they're made in this country.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
So it'll be interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I think it's do you think it'll worked, Well, look
at it this way. If you don't do it, you'll
end up with what we have in Australia where you
just cannot manufacture anything because it's insanely expensive and everything
from China is cheaper.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
So you know, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
For the Australian consumer, but ultimately you're going to get
to a point where you just don't have a manufacturing industry.
And the issue they have in the States is the
automotive unions over there are so so powerful that you
just cannot do anything without their endorsement. And Tesla is
one of the few manufacturers that doesn't have unionism, so
it means that they can get around some of these issues.
(20:33):
But when these unions come in and just demand more
and more money, it just becomes impossible to manufacture cars.
So the only way around that is by saying to
all these brands, you know, you will get hit with
tariffs unless you manufacture here, and that, in theory, should
spread out those jobs and make it more cost effective
to manufacture cars in.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
The States.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
So yeah, there a isn't there A. Isn't there an
American brand apart from Tesla that manufacturers in China?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Oh there's there's heaps, There's heaps.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
So the difference though is Tesla was the first car
brand that didn't have to have a JV with a
Chinese company. So what I've heard from some sources is
that when you're a manufacturer, like let's say Volkswagen, and
you go to manufacturer in China and you have.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Your JV, typically the JV is fifty or fifty.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
One percent owned by the Chinese company, and even though
you have joint decision making, they pretty much call all
the shots.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
So when you go, oh, look.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
We'd like to release this thing, and they go, I'm
you sure about that, and you go no, no, that.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Was a terrible idea. Kevin's fired.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
So yeah, I think that this is you know, Tesla
is one of the only ones that doesn't have that.
But ultimately, you know, as we've seen, Chinese government has
If you run a company in China, they have access
to your information. Yeah, so I don't know how they
get around that.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
But and the cameras in your phone and a lot
of other things.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
No comment, they what they do.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
They have accessed to a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, but I'm sure many companies do.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
To have access to your TikTok account, I know what's
going on and you snapchot.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
All the letters on the US.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
But yeah, I think it is interesting times. If Trump
gets in, I think we're going to see I can
see that Silicon Valley is excited because he's he's his
vice president is a tech businessman, so it's great news
for the tech industry. He's talking up crypto, which is
fantastic news for anyone in that industry.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
For you and me. But yeah, he took me n
fts buy any chance.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I look there naturally on the way out. It's like
a penfolds gronge a.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You can't even pronounce it. How do you pronounce it?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You leave it in the cupboard.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It will go up in value, even your young d NFTs.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Unlikely but anyway, but yeah, look, I think that it is.
It is interesting times and I can't wait to see
what happens. If he gets in, you'll get in, you
know you reckon?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yes, of course, of course I think Camala, Mala, Camilla.
I'm sorry, I can't say her name. Kamala. No wait, sorry, no,
I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Kamala, Come on, Kamala? Is it Kamela or Kamala camel tuck? Anyway,
So another story that I thought was interesting. Actually two more,
this one plus another one. Volkswagen owners are claiming that
steeringwel buttons are causing crashes.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Technology Publication ARS Technica reports that at least thirteen crashers
crash reports have been filed in the US National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration, many of which involve certain Volkswagen vehicles
hitting objects while parking.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You tried to tell them with the haptic touch, you
tried to.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I did, And this is the annoying thing.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Every time we took one of their cars for a
drive around the proving ground sports cars, my hands would
be on fire. I'm like, what the fuck is going
on here? And it was the heated steering wheel. It's
the capacitive touch button was right on the edge, so
you keep rolling onto it. And I think a lot
of owners just struggle with using these correctly and they're
basically phasing them out. They've gone back, right, yeah, but
(24:07):
some cars still have still have the.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Tig Is it the tig One's gone back? Yeah, tig
one amrok yep. I think the new Golf eight point
five Yeah, oh god, do you know what? They need
to also stop the haptic touch of volume control, which
wasn't that bad, but it was just like, guys, what
are you doing? You don't need to do that? And
they've got that have they got that in? They've got
(24:32):
that in more than Volkswagen Skoda yep.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
So they are fixing that and it is actually exciting
because Rivian and Volkswagen have signed like a five billion
dollar deal for Rivian to supply the software stack for
Volkswagen's future evs from twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Use yeah, something something.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
So that is exciting because it means that Volkswagen had
a service called I think it was carryad.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Basically it was an.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Absolute disaster and it delayed a lot of Volkswagen's roll
out of electric vehicles. And it just has to do
with I listened to a podcast with r. J. Scrima,
who is the CEO of Rivia and the founder, and
you listened to some rivetings, but he was basically saying
that their cars are different because you're plumbing everything through
(25:25):
basically a central computing network, whereas currently with cars you
have situations where you've got countless tens of CPUs that
manage certain things. So he said, basically, if you wanted
to make a change to the way that a driver's
door opens when a driver grabs the handle or beeps
or something like that in a traditional car, you'd basically
(25:47):
have to have the computer that manages the door handle,
the computer that manages the passive unlocked, the computer that
manages the infotament system, the computer that manages the lights
in the audio. You would have to make all of
these changes. And because it's all sourced by third party suppliers.
You basically have a headache to make all this stuff happen,
whereas with Rivian, because it's all controlled by the one
(26:09):
set of code, you're basically just making one change.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Oh far out, that makes more sense, are you right?
It's just in your pants. You're having a bit of
a Biden moment. What's going mom? Mom?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
There was one where he was in there speaking and
he goes, mom, so you stand up and she'd been
dead for like ten or fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Really, my favorite was he was like, I'm just very
proud to be like the first black vice president, Jesus Christ.
Time to sit in that chair, Time to sit in
the chair man, You've got cognitive decline.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
This is you really are worry now.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
This is not a political show. But he right at
the end there it was just like what will he
do next?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Like us just a train wreck. But anyway, I loved her.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I was having poo in a box. I don't know why,
but just like poo in a box and.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Just in the last one I wanted to quickly mention
goes just this crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Story we ran on the site the other day. It
was about this Ford Fairlane. It was zed El Fairlane.
It's been left at a shopping center and let me
just triple check with John's so Northcote Plaza down you alway,
for over ten years it's been parked in the car
park in the exact same spot.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Now, is this a proper old like fairlane or is
this a zed.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
L was in the eighties, late eighties, and it's been
sitting there for that long, no regio plates, sort of
dusty and all that sort of stuff. Basically, the reason
it's been there was the former owner's son asked for
the car park for the car to be left in
the car park because it belonged to his father. And
(27:53):
the father passed away and he had some sort of
connection to that shopping center.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
What and what was he like a janator there or something?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Sure, we worked there.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
So basically he passed away more than fifteen years ago
and the car has been there the whole time, and
management have basically come out and said, well, they're going
to let the car stay there. Someone regularly cleans it
and make sure it isn't sort of too damaged.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I did someone in there is like a little tribute.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, father, Yeah, At the shopping like he loved this
shopping center. Yeah, and I really can't be fucked moving
this car.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I think it's a nice feel good story, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
So like it's like a little it's like a like
a mureral.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They put like a little fountain or something around it.
Maybe you can truck something. Coiner there, what happened? Let
me get this right. So they leave the car there
and people come to wash it.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, someone cleans it, and so they open it up
and it's just the outside, just the inside.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I'm glad you're finally coming around to the concept.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Waste a fucking time. That was my inside voice. I'll
change that. I feel like we're going to go in
another six months, break.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Everybody, if I don't die from whatever I got.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
What have you got there? Have you got a bit
of COVID? No, I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
By the way, not real. So that was a joke, clearly,
So please don't ride in.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I say you're having sex with the COVID bat outside.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
A fish or monkey?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
No, no, it's definitely a bat. Was this a little
present that your kid brought back from daycare?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Probably got that she goes around just licking things. I'm like, no,
don't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
She gets up from her dad, I'll stop.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Does she.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Um? Oh my goodness, speaking of oh my goodness, super
usol terror you pass.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Got to drive that? Yeah, lucky you. A few will
ever drive one.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
The cousin of the TOYOTAZ four x b Z four x,
which sounds like a fucking it sounds like a coffee order. Well,
elon Musk's other kid. It's probably the older one, the
older one blowing the long hair. keV stop at.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Gen So Salteria reason. I think it's stupid, okay, And
the Toyota isn't the toy.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Wait can I pause? You really you think you're not
a fan of that, but you're okay with the Toyota.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
With the Toyota, you can go from driving a Cambri
to driving that and everything feels the same. It's got
lots of buttons. It is just Toyota. It is then
backed up by having an Australia wide dealer networks. You
can charge it at any of the dealers and it's
it's easy. It just is easy, right, it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I didn't know you could do that.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
That's the Subaru. It is like the Toyota, except without
the dealer network and without it being like any other
subar aside from the fact it's all will drive well.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I mean it's their very first EV. I get what
you're saying, like, does it still fit in the realm's?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I just don't get why you would release it in Australia.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
So I think in sort of places like California where
it feels good to be driving an EV, fine, whatever
you can get away with it. There's lots of EV's,
lots of charging in Australia where none of that's really developed.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Why would you buy a super U of all EV's.
I just it has.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
One feature that the Toyota doesn't have, and it's such
an amazing feature. Do you know what this car can do?
It can if you're like on grass or some sort
of like loose gravel. Maybe you've got like a maybe
you live on acreage with a big driveway. You can
do sort of like a semi off roady cruise control
with it.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
And you've got like a bushy landing streep.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Little bushy bush you can just really cruise on the
bush yep and you can't do that in the bee
Z four.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
X, yes, because an EV doesn't belong like an EV
like that does not belong anywhere near an.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Off road like a bit of an off road vibe.
It's just putting from the rough really, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You're not a fan. I didn't like. I don't. My
feelings aren't as strong as yours. It was okay, it
was like my thing was. It was fine because it
technically did everything it sort of claimed to do. It
was just fine. And I feel like the EV market
is so saturated at the moment with good stuff, Like
whether you like it or not, there's some heavy competition.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
It's expensive, why would you buy it?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And well I sort of got confused as to this
is going to be your debut EV and it's fine.
Like I sort of think, if you're going to do this,
you've got to bring your A game on. And I
think Superu have missed the mark on that lately a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
But you have a look at Suberu, right, You've got
some of their products are just super ute. Forester is big,
it's got lots of room, the outback is big. It's
sort of you can do light of fighting and all
that sort of stuff. WX is stupid, it's dead. No
one really cares about that anymore. But with the EV,
it just has nothing that is super u about it. Like, yes,
it has all will drive, but big big deal. That's
so easy to do in an EV. It just has
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no trademark Subaru stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I think they've tried to carry on the the looks
a little bit, maybe that sort of.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I think what they've done is they've gone, we have
a free platform to work with with Toyota. What is
the least amount of effort we can put into this
to make it a super Oh I know, let's give
it a cruise control for off road that no one
will ever use.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I don't think they're put in the least about of
effort in this car.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I would love to see an EV on the market,
even your Genesis.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, they made the thing six Oh yeah, they've even
got like the spinny thing in the middle. It looks
different and it's the same platform, but they've gone to effort.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I can't think of any other platform E Tron and
Tykwon they're just different cars. I can't think of any
other platform that less effort has been put into making
it unique.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Mustang marquees. Pretty boring.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
No, but that's it's not shared with other Ford stuff.
That's true. It is its own car.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Like I can't think of any other shared platform where
they have just put less effort in.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Hmmm, yeah, actually that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
There's there's heaps of vs Ye platforms.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Okay, yeah, well look you might have a point, very harsh.
What's wrong? Are you grumpy? You know what I think
it is? You haven't eaten chumps, I haven't haven't eaten
soon in your belly and you need a tummy rub
and you need a bit of a ride in the
genusis hey? Before we wrap this sacker up, tell me
one quick thing. You are looking forward to driving.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I am going on a top secret mission.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Is that why you're wearing a fake mustache?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Shades?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
So next time we talk on the podcast, I will
have seen I will have seen a very special big
SUV that everyone is waiting for. Seven cedar, yes, and
eight Cedar and it's an SUV that did once have
(34:54):
a V eight but no longer. Will don't guess it
because I'm not allowed to say what it is.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But have we talked about their brand recently?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yes, it would be on the next show, so I'm
very very excited for that.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Okay, Yeah, we're just trying to think how I could
dole up this one. There is a car that I
will be driving next week and it is a new
car to Australia current General, new brand to Australia as well,
and rival is one of the greatest selling cars in
this country.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I'm confused.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Really, would you like a clue?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
No?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
No, Contact at the Drivers Show dot com today. See
if you can guess Gordy's in mine, because I still
don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
What yours is. Actually a clue is okay? Don't tell
me though?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Do you want to, I'll give you an audio clue.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
You ready.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Stop it? Do you know what that is? I did
the flaps and everything that is going to make it,
that's going to make it amazing real?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Oh goodness, do you know what that could be? Yes?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, there you go. There's six of them.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Anyway, jeez, gaggle.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Anyway, contact us the Drivers Show dot com today if
you can guess what is up?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
You can tell This episode didn't have as much planning
as the last one.
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