Trevor Long is BACK! Still no sign of Paul...but he will be back, we think

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Driver's Show, Whole marriage and Gordy Waters.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to the Driver's Show.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
We got rid of Paulie.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
How fucking good is it?

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Do we swear in this? I can't remember?

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yeah? Absolutely, but you're coming in a bit hot. I'm deaf.
Let's just keep that in mind. You put your headphones on.
Start to be a professional about this.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
This is your hello. Check check one, check one too
on the Driver Show. We're not doing a second take.
That's it. And you taught me one take one.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
I did say that to you.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
You did tell me. How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I'm just so excited that Paul's not here.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm excited that you're here. You're looking great.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Thanks mate, and thank you to ozam Pick.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I think they're great main sponsor. Trevor's are like a
real Hollywood guy.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Now I've had my teeth done.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, you've got You've got ozam Pick like I've literally
saw you put a zampg needle between two slices of
free bread and eat it like a sandwich.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I know that's not true. I would never have card
pre bread. Oh yeah, okay, I'm full tip top one
son blessed always wonder what whatever it is?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
The good stuff, and you fired your personal trainer, and
you know you've got a real Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
It's just getting aggressive, to be honest, I.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Find it weird that personal trainers like fucking give me
twenty setups. I'm like, mate, I'm paying you three hundred bucks.
You fucking them.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
You'll be surprised to know. I've never had a personal trainer.
I've also never been to a gym.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
That does surprise me big time. Tell me about what's
going on before we talk like car rubbish. Tell me
what's going on in the wonderful world of television and tech.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, it's pretty it's a light period right now. We
go through these phases, so the first half of the years,
you know, very busy. I've been to a US seven
times this year and only one of them was a
family holiday, so it's been a super busy start of
the year. But it's kind of a lull right now.
We've had all the big, big announcements before the second wave,
which is Apple in September, so we're a month away
from the next iPhone. There's a trade show in Europe

(02:01):
I've got to go to at the end of the month.
But yeah, it's pretty light. Time.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's good.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, to turn through basic reviews looking at new phones,
the Samsung folding phones. I've got the Motorola folding phone.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Can I hold that?

Speaker 1 (02:10):
That's the Motorola rasor sixty.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, that's man.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
I just think the folding phone. That's the form factor
I love because it's a normal smartphone when it's open,
so you use it, it's like a normal phone. And
then when you shut it and you put it in
your pocket, it's just something that doesn't it's not obtrusive,
it's not overwhelming in your pocket.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I reckon, I'd fucking lose this in two days. Do
you know what they're done with this screen? That little crease,
the fold the crease. It's gotten better. I mean it's
not perfect.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
You don't notice it. You only notice it when you're
analyzing like this, going can you see it?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
And is it there?

Speaker 1 (02:47):
When you're using it day to day, you don't even
notice that it exists.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, honestly, she is little get around on it.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
They're a good form factor. So you know, flip phones
have been a big thing because Samsung came out with
one that was it's four point five millimeters thick when open. Now,
the USB seaport is three point six millimeters. Wow, So
there's not much room to make a thinner phone. No,
And so next month when the iPhone comes out, there
will be a thin version of that, the iPhone seventeen.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Air well even that's on ozm pic.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yes, I'm calling it the ozempic year for phones. Yeah,
they're all getting all getting thin.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
You know. Google puts out a bloody good phone they do.
Before I moved over to Apple, I was on Google
for Yanks and they're a gray phone.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Look, I don't know when this is coming out, so
we'll save the embargos for the time. But there's a
new one coming out and that'll that'll do very well.
So the next pixel they make, they're a very good phone.
But in Australia it's very hard to compete with Apple
on simpsung at the high price level. So over a
thousand bucks people are walking into a Telstra store or
a JB's and they're just buying the Samsung or the

(03:51):
Apple under one thousand dollars, far more competitive. Like a
stupid fact that's stuck in my brain is fifty four
percent of all smartphones sold in Australia are under seven
hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Fit more than half the phone sold every year in
Australia are under seven hundred dollars, which means they're not
iPhones and they're not the top Samsung phones. And then
Google come out with a nine hundred or a twelve
hundred dollars phone, they're competing with Apple and Samsung. If
they come out with a six hundred dollar phone, ye, man, that'd.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Be they're coming right into the middle of the market
there though, which is kind of an uncomfortable one.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
But I don't think it's a wise move. Whereas this Motorola,
for example, it's twelve hundred bucks and Samsung's version of.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
This, so that would compete with Samsung and Google.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yes, but this in the folding space at twelve hundred dollars,
this is six five hundred dollars cheaper than what Samsung does,
so it is competitive, but Google don't play the price game.
What do I think that's I think that's dangerous.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
What do you think we're going to say with the
I know, with Apple Glass and all that stuff coming out,
that's looking pretty nice that little software, but the AI
like Apple are really trying to get AI by the
balls because I reckon they've dropped the ball.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, they dropped the ball pretty bad because the announce
a bunch of stuff eighteen months ago, fifteen months ago
that they didn't make it. It hasn't been released yet. I
would argue, though, of most of the AI stuff that
I see in phones like Samsung and stuff, I don't
think most people are using it. I think it's all
very exciting. I think it's very amazing, but I think
people aren't using it.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, I'm curious to know what the hell like AI
is doing in phones.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Well, so with an iPhone, I actually think in the
six months that I was using an iPhone at the
start of this year with Apple Intelligence is what they
call it, I think I used more AI than I
did on any Android phone because it's little things like
notification summaries one of my favorite things. They copped a
bit of flat because, like you get summaries from news
organizations and it would summarize the news, and that was

(05:41):
a bit dangerous, Like combining three news items and trying
to dop point them.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Wasn't a bit dodgy? Were they factual or were they
kind of well.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
That was the thing. There was a few fuck ups
right in what way, Like they would just say it'd
take four messages someone died in one, someone had got
married to another, and I might say that the person
got married diet. So pretty major mistakes, right. So now
there's this pop up message that says, you know, if
you do choose to notice to summarize news events, just
be aware it might change the context. But when you

(06:09):
receive five messages from a group chat and it just
goes Paul said this, Gord, he said that, and they're
waiting for your reply. At a glance, you can see
I better get into that. If someone sends you a
long text message on the cover of your screen and
on the home screen you can just see a summary

(06:29):
that says, you know, this has happened, and you're like,
I better read that. Now I better read the whole thing. Honestly,
that stuff is pretty cool. It's pretty useful.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
It feels like a pain in the ass.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
The thing I love about the metaglasses is meta will
just say, hey, Trevor Long sent you a long message. True,
you know what I mean? Made those glasses.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
So I went on. We went to the States for
two and a half weeks with the family and I
kind of went, I'm not gonna for two reasons. One,
just stay attached to the family. I'm not going to
post on social media all the time. I'm going to
try and be a little bit phoneless. And I took
a film camera, like an old school wind up film camera,
and so I didn't post on social media for two
weeks except for from those glasses. So I'd be at

(07:09):
Dodger Stadium or Disneyland and just once a day or
a couple of times, I'd be like, hey, Meta, take
a photo and post on Instagram. Boom, it's on my stories,
to the point where I have to say to the kids,
can someone check that? See what it looked like? Because
I wasn't looking at it.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Because you actually, like you just controlled the whole thing.
I didn't know you could do.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
If your if your Instagram account is connected to your metaglasses, yeah,
you can just look at something and say, hey, Meta,
take a photo and share on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Oh my god, let me see if it works.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Hang on, and it will post it immediately to your
Instagram story, will ask you are you sure you want
to share? You'll hear the camera click, and then it'll
tell you that.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
All right, hang on, here we go. Oh I think
madam must think you're me. Hang on, let me take
one quick video.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Sore, it works. This is great podcasting content.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Then this is a first hand look of what it's
like to work with a farm animal.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Okay, all right, Okay, so they were because I can
see the white flashing lights. So this time, just try
and talk to them.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Hey, meta, take a photo and post it to my
Instagram Instagram story.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
No, because I was rolling my eyes.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yes, yeah, sharing photo?

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh no, continue, Oh so you haven't done it before,
so it needs to Oh I've got to do it again.
I might have needed to set something up.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Oh fuck that.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
But it's a very cool feature, right yeah. And it
created this kind of in the moment thing where I'm
just literally just sharing my view of something. And it
was the same with a film camera. It take you know,
thirty five photos, and you're not taking six photos of
the same thing, because you know, you take six fither
that didn't love that one, didn't love that one, didn't
love that one. Whereas you just go, here's a photo
and in three weeks I might find out whether it
was a good photo. That's a pretty cool thing to do.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is wild. I like that. You know,
we've seen the absolute debarcle with jagg you are with
what they're putting out, and by the way, we've seen
physical cars now, right, so that'll be kind of interesting.
But now I know Aston is taken on the Apple
I guess they're kind of really yeah, yeah, they're really
like integrating Apple car Play into their cars.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's super exciting.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Do you know what you kind of said this like
two years ago on this podcast could have been longer
that you reckon the Apple car is shelved. You said
they're going to concentrate all their time, their money, their
resources into Apple car Play. You think that's where the
value is And fuck man, you got that one.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
I mean, it's fascinating because a lot of car companies
are pushing back against it. But when if I'd love
to drive that, Aston Martin, because it's a unique experience
because you're choosing to if you connect your phone, you're
choosing to say, I don't want to see the dials,
instrument cluster that Aston Martin's credit, I don't want to
see the infotainment system at all. It's all coming from
my phone, and then it's able to connect and bring

(09:55):
in all the diagnosis of the car so you can
control your temperatures and all that. But you to choose
so I want the temperature over here. You know. It's
like widgets on your phone. You get to choose how
you have the layout, you get to choose what you
want the dials to look look like. I think that
level of customization is super exciting, cool, and I think
it's a waste of money and time and resources for
car companies to develop infotainment systems when they can just

(10:19):
have something to plug and play.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
However, there is something amazing. I think when you buy
a car and you look at say that what's behind
the steering wheel rather than what Apple is customizing or
what Apple is putting out there.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Well, I would say to you, take yourself out of
the mind of a really nice car like an Aston Martin.
You now put yourself in one of these modern cars
where we're getting that the brands we've never heard of,
and you get in there and there's this square, little,
tiny but very wide, rectangular screen in front of the driver,
and it's a lot of information, Like I think there's

(10:54):
too much there. There's little tiny icons for things like
battery and all this, and I'm like, dude, I just
want to have fast I'm going and what what the
cruise control set out? And like I want to choose
basic info. I would opt for a head up display
over any instrument cluster because I think the head up
display is the least acknowledged feature of any car. Like
if I get in a car that's worth more than

(11:14):
eighty thousand dollars and it doesn't have a head up display, yeah,
that's pretty disappointing.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's a slight concern, right.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
But having said that, I mean some of these car companies,
like I kind of feel like a normal everyday commuter,
especially a lot. What are these Chinese companies are coming
out with? Should definitely be on Apple, Like keep it
fucking tight and bright, keep your Apple car play linked
with everything. It would make so much sense. But I
don't know. I feel like there's something special when you

(11:41):
go into like a Porsche or yeah, an Asta Martin
and you kind of you want to rely on, like
or even like a Ford Mustang, like they're icon design. Yeah,
their iconic stuff, and like say same with say like
a Mini. I mean, look I love the Mini, right,
I love that they've got that big o lead display
thing in the middle of the circular think in the

(12:01):
new ones. I think that's really cool. I think it
is a bit odd now that they've kind of taken
a little bit too. It just feels a little bit
clinical on that on that screen.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
It's a bit childish now the Mini because it's all
about like this cool background wallpaper. It's all like, I
don't want a background wallpaper in my car, and a
lot of the Chinese cars have it on their begin
potame and it's like choose your theme and all that.
Just give me the icons, give me the information.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
That's if you that's if you want to. Like, that's
the thing I loved about the Mini. Right you can
put it in different modes Gokart mode or whatever, and
like the whole thing, you know, how goes wrong? Yes,
like go cart mode or if you want, you can
put in the photos and all that sort of stuff
as well.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
But personalization, I guess that's a personality thing too. You know.
Some people are much more into that. You know, I
want I want this picture there, I want that thing there.
But like it's wild to me, you know, I use
Android as much as I do iPhone in a year
and there's still cars that don't support Android Order, and
I think leap Mode is one of them. From memory,
the last one I drove, I'm like, how are you
not supporting.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Fun fat They don't fucking have Apple car Play.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
I was using an Android phone at the time, and
I'm thinking, this is while they don't support this, but.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Not to have car play as well, they have nothing.
It's outrageous. That's what that was. Like That wegged me
out about the Elite MOTORC ten because I got in
that and I thought I was actually really excited because
I remember when they brought it out. I thought, Wow,
this is actually like, it looks pretty good. It looks
like a pretty nice car. It's sleek, and it's ambiguous

(13:27):
a little bit, but it's it's got a presence about it.
It's you know, I had an all black. Everything was black.
It looked cool. The interior looks really cool. You can
get it in like a tan interior, like a dog
Trump tan. Yes, presidential ten, Yes, presidential tan. But that's
where it ended for me, Like the actual driving experience

(13:48):
was rubbish. Do you feel it?

Speaker 1 (13:50):
So let's just talk driving experience of the Elite Motac ten.
I went pretty hard on it in my video and
a lot of the comments I'll acknowledge right now. A
lot of the comments were, but it does do this,
and it does do that, you just didn't know about them, Like, well,
that's not my fucking problem. Like if a brand doesn't
go to the trouble of emailing you or phoning you
to say, hey, just while you've got the car, you
should know that a normal owner would have an app

(14:10):
that they can open it with.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Also, I think it points to the fact that that
car is so not user friendly. It's not funny. The
fact that you can spend a week in that and
not know the fucking basics, I think says a lot
of how that designs.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
We were using a tap and go card on the
fucking mirror to lock. The thing I'm thinking, do I
walk away from it? Is that how it locks? I've
got a tap of the card. Yeah and yeah, okay,
an owner would have an app. But I still think
it's stupid that you've got to put the card on
the proximity on the wireless charger to start the car
and then move it to put your phone there, and
just as a drive and I'm not Paul Merrick. I

(14:44):
don't I don't know how to talk about how a
car feels, but I know when a car doesn't feel right.
And if you rewind to when when even Holden was
in Australia, remember they used to bring out like an Astra,
the opal Astra, and they'd say, but it's now the
whole inn Astra, and we've we've refined it for the
local you know, car local conditions, because we have a
different expectation of the way the steering feels. And the

(15:05):
best way I could describe it to my thirteen year
old who's like, what do you Why don't you like it?
Like there's no weight to the wheel. It's like the
wheel was just like loosely abundant to steer, which is
totally in control of the wheels. Don't get me wrong,
but I need weight to the wheel. It was just
far too loose for me, and I didn't love the
way it felt to drive at all.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Well, that's that's a really good point. And like feeling
the road is intuitive, and when you get in that car,
you don't it sounds wanky, but you don't feel the
road like you don't the steering is so loose, it
could just be doing anything, like everything kind of works
in sync with each other, and nothing does in this car,

(15:47):
even from the driving position, the wheel position, the way
it turns.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
It just ah, it felt like a startup company had
decided to build a car and they didn't bring any
motoring engineers in to go this is what we've done.
How do we make it drive like a car? Now,
we've worked out how scalelectrics works, this the accelerated thing
and breaking We've got all that worked out. But you know,
how do we put the personality into it? Because that's

(16:11):
the thing. And motoring journals of old we'll talk about
how different brands have different personalities and the feeling of it.
Like I genuinely love the fact that European cars do
have a different feel on the road than your American cars.
American cars are just a very different thing to drive. Yeah,
and that's because Americans want it that way.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I get it, and in every aspect, Like you could
sit in an American car compared to a European car,
I would. I would say, apart from the last couple
of years, the Americans haven't designed a good interior in
thirty years plus, right, whereas the Europeans, Holy molely.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Have you driven the Cadillac lyric? Yes, like that, that's
where you go. Okay, they're getting it.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
They're getting it.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
They do need they have worked out how this can
be done.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
And it's not just in the Cadillac. The Silverados like
a great sateury for the market. The Ram as well,
they're doing really good things. But you know, rewind a
couple of years ago it was not the case. But yeah,
you get in this this leap motor and that tapp
and go card and Paul. Me and Paul had a
bit of an argument about it. He goes, why don't

(17:15):
you just use your phone? Just use your phone? I
used it with my Tesla for years. You get the
average user. She's a mom with three kids. Her phone
fucking dies. Like apart from the button on the boot,
which took me ages to kind of work out, there's
a button apparently on the boot that opens it. I
think that was.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Hilarious that you had that same problem, because Finick was
just I couldn't work out to open the boot, and
I'm like, that's amazing. And then I took the car
and I went, there's a button. It was just not.
It was on the right hand side. It wasn't where
any button would ever be.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
And it looks like a censer as well. It looks
like the sense. But I wonder if we got the
same car because like, I'm sure that button.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
So Paul wasn't as negative about it, is what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
But no, he wasn't negative. He was more sort of going, well,
there's nothing wrong with using your phone, and I had
he had a card for his Tesla for ages, but
he didn't use this c ten. He didn't have to
literally fucking clumsily rub this card on the mirror the
mirror like you're asking a genie for wishers. You didn't

(18:11):
have to then go in and the only way generally
to open the boot from inside the car is to
go through three different menus on the touch screen. If
you're a mom with a couple of kids and you
just want to get the shopping in the back of
the car and your phone's dead or whatever. To me,
it just felt like an instant.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
That goes to this whole concept now, these center screens
being where all the controls are. I was in an
uber on Monday and it was a Tesla Model Y
and a lovely old bloke so like in his seventies,
retired just driving ubers and he had his maps, an
uber phone on one side, but on the off coming
off the center screen of the Chesli had an iPhone

(18:47):
which was running a third party app which had short
cut icons to quick features like open the boot, open
the door, turn on client, like.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Hit on his phone.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
What the fuck are we doing where you're using a
smartphone in amount to control features that should be a
button in the friggin car Like that is wild to me.
And the other thing about the lead murder, I think
in reflection it's a bit egotistic or whatever you want
to say about it. People listening who own one would
be like you idiots, because this, that and the other.
But when we pick up a car, you just handed

(19:17):
a set of keys, and often I'll sit in and
I go, where the fuck is the start button, like
because they've driven it over to you in this big
complex where there's just cars and cars cars, and you're like, fuck,
I better find the start button. It's like it's a
bit awkward.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Sometimes and then generally you've got to once you pull
out of it, because we go to the same place
you pull out, and when it was in Brrickville, you
have to try to find somewhere to pull over. I'm
set my phone up, house is going to work. And
the amount of times like I saw other car like
other car journalists like i'mnd, but I saw actual car
journalists like looking out the window just laughing at me,

(19:48):
like yeah, but you all fucking get we're doing the
same thing.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
So it's funny because in the tech world, I'm a
bit of a pain in the ass. Probably to some brands,
They're like, oh, we want to we want to give
you a half hour briefing on this thing and then
I'll show you how to set up the product. And
I'm like, dude, if you send me the product, I'll
set it up. Because if I can't set it up,
how does the fucking average user set it up? And
so that was always my mentality with a car, It's like,
if I can't work it out, how's anyone else working out?

(20:12):
But then I realized when you buy a car, you
do normally get ave it a walk through, So yeah,
I'll hand leapmode of that that maybe if they had
someone out there giving us a walk through, it might
be different. And it's funny because I'm going to drive
the IM the MG premium brand in a couple of months,
and oh yeah. They were like, we want to give
you a handover for twenty minutes. And I'm like, you
know what. I was going to say, fuck off, but

(20:34):
then I thought, you know what, I'm going to take
it because if there's something about the car that I
need to know, then they've got that opportunity to tell
me about it. Because I feel like that's where Leadmotor
let themselves down.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah. Yeah, the new sector of MG are putting together
some great stuff. When you were talking about the infotainment, Actually,
one thing I will say about the C ten the
fact that it does not have Apple Car Play, it
does not have Android Auto. It is not a user
for friendly car. This is a car that is not
ready for market. It should not have been released. It's

(21:05):
not a using friendly car. It is possibly the worst
car I've ever sat it.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
It's by a friendly that's all it is. Because at
forty six thousand dollars for that much space, it's pretty
buddy good value.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah. But is it though? Because that sector there's a
lot of competitive cars coming out of if you want electric.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
But for that size in electric it's unbelievable value.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
I disagree. I disagree, Like I'm driving the MG five
s EV same price, and that's for the absolute topic.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
It's a similar size too.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, and this is what I'll say about that. In
terms of the middle screen, the infotainment display, they have
nailed it like and I'm not just saying that because
I'm driving the thing. They have nailed that in such
a way where not only is like it wireless, Apple
car Play and Android Auto, everything that you need generally

(21:52):
for day to day and all the time is either
physical or it's hardwired at the bottom of the screen
so it's always there. So things like climate control physical,
they're just temperature, physical, volume, physical, changing tracks if you
want that, that's physical. But things like if you want
to get into a car, or maps or the radio media,
it's all just touch there. It's all there all the time.

(22:13):
And then you've got the Apple car plate on top
of that. Yes, so it works really well. Look that
in one of those yet No, we've we've got it
at the moment.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
So all we do is we have two cars over
two weeks, and so I'll pick a one up and
Finnical pick one up and then on a Wednesday when
we record, we swap, so that we've over the course
of two weeks, we've each got it for a full week,
including a weekend. So I've got the JCU it's called
the Super High Hybrid something J seven or something I
think it's called, and Fenix got the five S and

(22:45):
and we'll switch on on Friday. So I'll look forward
to it because I do think MG so I've not
been a fan of their petrol cars because I think
they are for the mass market. They're they're built at
a price, and that worries me a bit, but it's
it feeds the market because, as we discussed before, you
can buy cheap car anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
It's ridiculous, that's exactly I think. I think the thing
that I've always admired in that sense is what they've
done is they've put families who not doing it tough,
but life's a bit fucking hard.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I'm looking at a brand new car, well yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Exactly, they're trying to get a brand new car, and
they're putting a family of five in a brand new
car with a decent warranty behind it.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
And I wasn't a big fan of their early EV's
just because they were bolt on you upgrades to petrol cars.
But now that they've got a platform for pure evs
MG four unbelievable car, this thing looks amazing, And I
think it's because they've they've put the time and effort
into software, but without over engineering. Like the fact is
most of these brands, whether it's a deep power, leap Matterer,

(23:42):
whatever they are, they're over engineering the software. It's like,
I don't care that you've got software that can show
me people walking on the road like a Tesla can.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
No one cares, and Mike can fucking see with my
eye and no one's actually ever fucking cared that, Like
exactly the tests, like you're driving next door building or
a truck. If you're getting that information by looking at
the screen, I suggest you look in front of you
because you're about to crash your fucking shit.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
You needed to know there were construction cones by looking
at a fucking screen. Dude, you've got problems. I get it.
They're trying to prove that ghost.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Autonomous, but if you ever driven through.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
A sementary and you can see people walking on there.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
That's fucking stupid.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
That is pure Elon musk. Yeah, yeah, insanity. The bloke's
a lunaty.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Here's what I'll say about MG right, if you look
at say the last twelve to eighteen months, what I
do like is, and I'm not just I'll throw shit
at them if I have to, but what I do
like is everything from the MG five s ev to
even the ZS Hybrid which I had the HS as well.
They've come together with all brand new design language. They're

(24:45):
setting a new price point. They may not be the
best fucking car on the market, but their best I
reckon in what they're putting out in their space, do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Absolutely, we definitely, I don't know. I think we gave
the MG four best CV under fifty thousand last year
in my EFTM magazine Awards because it's fucking great value
car and fully electric, Like if you want to go electric. Man,
it's very hard to argue that MG shouldn't be your
first test drive, Yeah, because that should be that should

(25:16):
be the benchmark for Okay, what can be better than that?
So you might go to a BYD and oh that
felt better or looks different or whatever. Then you might
go to a Kere and you've got to compare it
back to that thing, which is essentially most likely going
to be the most affordable one of the big brands.
And lets you people who don't want to go to
these new Challenger brands. Are they going to be around
in five years? Don't? MG certainly will be.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, I think they will be. I think out of
all the Chinese cars, MGBYD, they're here for the long haul.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yes, yes, the rest of them, I can't make a
judgment on.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, they've got the chops to back it up as well.
I think what they're putting out is in their space,
in their own line. It's top class.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I made of mind bought the MG four and texts
me regularly that he just thinks it's the coolest thing.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Did you by the x no Ah, the XPI is fun,
you know what? I think that's interesting. They're putting out
these cars that could be most people might call them
plane Jane. They're putting out affordable cars, good design, all that,
but what it does allow them to do is to
bring out fucking nutsy things like the cyberst Like yeah,
DATLA was fun, Like you kind of look at that

(26:20):
I quite enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Look, there's a few fucking problems with it, like the
screens behind the wheel and stuff, but you don't like
that they're just they're covered by the wheel, Like just
the placement was slightly wrong. But my I visited my
uncle in Canberra on the weekend. He's got an old
mg B like he's part of the MG club and
all that. You know. I said, what's the vibe among
proper MG enthusiasts about this thing? And he said, look,

(26:42):
you know, we, he said, as the club kind of
struggle with you know, do we let them into the club?
You know, because you know, a new MG owner is
very different to a classic MG owner when they're going
on long you know, country drives, enjoying their old mgb's
and things. But he said, you know, one of their
owners has bought a cyberster and he's bringing it to
the club in September. It's going to be exciting. And
another man of mine went, this is crazy money. But
I said, look, it's not about selling lots of those cars.

(27:05):
That's about creating a flagship product that says we can
build something very impressive. I think it's a nod to
their heritage, which is, you know, the two seat sports
car open top. That that's an absolute nod to their heritage.
And I respect that. I didn't love the drive. I
think that it probably could have been tuned better, you know,

(27:26):
the steering and ride and handling could have been tuned
a bit better. But it still was the most impressive
MG I've driven.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Oh it's no funny question, undeniably fun And like, here's
the thing. Our family's got like a bit of a
long heritage. My dad, when he was like sixteen, him
and mum, Dad would do up the MG's. Mom would
be like in there in the workshop with him, and
you know, I grew up like going to my grandparents'
house and you know, there was like these MG logos
that were painted like in the garage, like dad painted

(27:53):
them when he was sixteen years old. I used to
do up tfs and all this sort of stuff, and
I thought I should I should just get an MGB
like just and so I I went to have a
look at one the other day actually, and it was, oh,
it was good. But it is driving in nineteen bloody.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
That's not a third car, that's a fourth car. You know,
that's a real you know garage, you know, take it
out once or three times a year.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, you go to the wineries with it, and that's
about it.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
And look, I respect the fact that a Chinese company
bought a brand and went we're going to sell tons
of these things, because I think if you did a
survey of most MG three hatchback owners, let alone EV owners,
I'm not sure many of them realized it's not even
British brand still, do you know what I mean? Yeah,
Like I think they bought a smart brand. My argument
here is if General Motors let go of the Holden brand,

(28:42):
like they relinquished the ownership of it, and Jeerly or
someone bought the Holden brand, you don't think they would
sell a shit ton of Holden electric cars just because
of the brand affiliation. Yes, true, Holden officiados would like
they did with the last Commodore ZB They'd be like
fuck that it's not a Holden. But a bunch of
people would go, I got a Holding electric car because

(29:04):
the brand's That's what MG has going for. It is
pure brand reputation and it's genius. Yeah, bloody genius.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I think it's I think Look my problem with the cyberster.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Was how beautiful it is, how lovely the doors are?

Speaker 2 (29:18):
You know it is? It is set up well.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I think on a tour, like a lovely country drive,
it'd be a lovely thing to take with a picnic
in the back.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
And it's a quick cart and it's almost too fucking quick,
it's so fast, and like if Obviously I don't have
this problem because I'm the size of a smurf, but
someone like Paul, who's like seven foot eight, you.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Know his heads, he's an awkward size.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
He's big fat croatian heads popping out the top, and
so that was an issue. But the dealer. I remember
when the dealer handed it over to me, he goes,
I mean, I'm like, how much are you are you
guys selling this for? He's like one hundred and ten grand.
I'm like whoa, And he goes, what are you talking about?
Not a bad price for a supercar. And I was like, oh,
so you shouldn't have said it's a supercar. It's a

(30:05):
beautiful car, it's a lovely cup it don't call it.
Don't do that.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Don't you know there's no two seat sports car on
the market.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
No, no, So they're the only ones doing it genius
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Again, I respect it. I respect what they've done with
it as a as a concept to draw the brand
and to really excite people about the brand. I think
it's very smart.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Do you want to go for a drive in an
MG cyberst mean? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Where are we going? Honey? Are we taking a picnic? No?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I was going to say the brothel?

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Well, right, okay, that's a hard note for me for
the hard pars.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, and where could we go? Where can we go?
In the in the in the cyberstuff.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
A road of never driven is the what's called the
Great Ocean Road. I think that would be a great
drive in the cyberstore on a sunny day.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
It's it's a windy, windy fucking road that one, is it? Yes?
I did it in or like what speed do you? Yeah?
I think it's technically eighty right. But even like as
an eighteen year old going down that thing full pelt
in a Reno cleo sport wasn't the smartest thing from me.

(31:09):
I always think about that and go, God, you're a
reckless little shit, Like what was I thinking?

Speaker 1 (31:14):
We all had a moment time.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I did it also in my mate's dad's E sixty
three and was it. No, it's the C sixty three.
That was the fast one back in the day, wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, that was memories.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
That was a spicy one. It was good fun. Actually,
you had the I saw it? Was it the electric
G wagon? I saw you with.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah, i've it's still out. It's sitting outside behind your MG.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Oh is it is here? Oh my god, we're gonna
have to it's a little tank.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah, it's a tank. And do you know what's funny
about it?

Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's a little bit cheaper than a normal one.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's the cheapest g wagon here. It's three hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Right, And when they announced I was in Melbourne at
the Grand Prix when they announced it, and I was like,
three hundred grands seems good. And most of the other
couple of murdering journals there and they're like, that's why
is it cheaper than the other one? Oh god? I
was right, it is cheap. And you know it's it's this.
I took it to the country, right, I took it
out to young No one there gives a shit about
a G wagon, right, even though it has the credentials

(32:09):
for being off road in the country. That thing is
all about two I raq and wore clues.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Right dropping the kids.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I took my fourteen year old daughter into the city
for an event and she was like, you've got a
g wagon. I'm like, how do you know what a
g wagon is? So it's like an influencers car, and
to the point where we had to give another teenage girl.
I left home that night after the event and we
went to the car park. I clicked the button and.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
She goes, you've got a g wagon.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
I didn't realize this thing was like appealing to, you know,
kids and influencers and all that kind of jazz. I
knew it was the eastern suburb soccer mom car.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
But honestly, if mister Beast is given that thing away
on YouTube, yeah, I'm telling you all of them, all
of them. Wont you know in the car?

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Once you're in it, it's just it's just like driving
Mercedes because all the all the screens and everything, it's
just a Mercedes. But getting into it, opening the doors,
shutting the doors, just the feeling the setund of those
things is so unbelievable. Rains not great. It's got like
a four hundred klometer range and driving to the country
not great because at one hundred and fifteen on the
highway it's really sucking through the battery.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
But did you get there on one trip?

Speaker 1 (33:12):
No, I never. I never tried in one trip. I
always stop at Yas at the Tesla supercharger. They're just
juice set up here. There's a new supercharger by the way, Golban,
which I didn't find out about until i'd passed it.
That's open to non Teslas. So it's like twenty bays.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yes, that's what it's going to say that it is
going to the rest of the industry.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Like I stop at the Tesla at Yas because there's
always space, there's always twelve bays. I normally stop at
Pheasant's Nest where there's an ampole with six norly six
bays on each side of the highway. And when I
stopped on the way home and they were all full.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
That's the ampole charges, right, it's a charge.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
They were all fucking full, and I'm like Jesus Christ,
and I was on fifteen percent, so I'm like, I
got a charge. I ended up driving to a shopping
center and picked it and charging there. But now that
I know there's Golban. I'm just going to do one
stop or one stop at everywhere charges because they're open,
they're fast, twenty of them. Dude. Tesla is putting the
others out of business because they're building the right size

(34:06):
sites with enough bays in the right places. Everyone else
is playing absolute catch up and they're not even close.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I was on ten percent coming into work the other
day and I was like, oh no, I'm gonna have
to charge this thing and I'll just walk into work
and I'll leave my charge my car here. And it
was ev I think it is E E V I
E right, four of them. I put one and they
were all empty. I'm like, oh fucking sweet, so charge
it up. And I'm like, oh, it's not it's not working.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
It's not working.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Looked at the helpline. I'm like, hey, mate, what's going on?
And he said, which bay are you in? And I said, well,
I mean you know they one? Oh yeah, yeah, there's
no charge coming out of that wae that mu's broken.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
They scoop. I knew that.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Okay, what about the next one? If I sort of
moved my car, set it all up, and am I
going to have to call you back, and he goes,
let me check. Oh, there's no check. The whole the
whole lot's broken, four of them.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
And it is such that does not happen at a Tesla.
There might be two out that are not working for
some reason, but never all of them.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
And here's the here's the disgusting bit. Right. I remember
looking down on that EV thing and the first thing
I saw that stood out right in the middle of
it is the Australian coat of arms supplied by the
Australian government. And I thought, you fucking absolute wrought, like
taxpayer dollars went into that. You've done some deal with

(35:31):
our government and you've absolutely just like this is the thing. Honestly,
I would say, apart from the Tesla chargers, I still
don't have faith and confidence in the charging network around
our country. I think it's absolute and I drive a
lot of kilometers. I do that trip down the country
a lot, and so.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I'm trying BPS and poles, charge Fox, EV and Tesla
and you've.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Got to have like little memberships in your front.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm just better off of the Tesla. Now, EV's best
advantage if you've got the right car and it's not
all cars, so my Cooper won't do it. But the
KEYA does is they have an auto charge, so like Tesla's.
With the Tesla, it knows who you are. So I've
said to my wife, if you ever urgently need power,
we've got an EV station up at Hornsby, which is
not a bad drive from us. You just plug the
car in no approquiet, it will just go. Oh it's

(36:18):
Trevi's Keia charge. That's the smartest thing that EV's done.
But it's not on all their charges. It's only their
most recent models, so the ones on the highway that
I use, they're not like that. So we've got so
far to go in the charging space, and Tesla is
lengths ahead. If I was elon Musk, if you could
take any advice from me, it is because you know,
I don't know corporations, but when they split companies up

(36:39):
like Woolworth splits out BWS or whatever the hell it is,
and you know it make it's a separate company in
the stock market, separate the supercharger network out as its
own business. That thing that's got value. Yeah, that's got value.
Because they build big sites, they provide fast power, they
maintain them.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Well, they've got great tech support.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Honestly, Yeah, it's it's I hate Tesla like passion. I
would never buy one or try and drive one, but
their charging network is without fail.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Respect for its due. Yeah, I think it wouldn't surprise me,
and it's probably a good good way of going. But
these EV companies should probably start like privatizing themselves a
lot more.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
I don't know, mate, I've said for a long time
that what we need is, you know, you, Mike cannon
Brooks of the world, with all this crazy money and shit,
we need someone like Twiggy Forest or someone like that
to just go, here's fucking ten billion dollars. I want
you to build the next Shell or the next VP.
You know. I want to build the future of charging
across the country, but I don't need it to make

(37:36):
a profit for a decade.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
That has to be the condition, because it has to
pay for itself.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, I can't. I'm not going to try and withdraw
my money out of this thing. But you know, so
that's the problem is all these companies they're not expanding
their bays. They're not adding six bays to a four
bay area because they've got to suck the life out
of the four they've got there. Before they invest anymore,
you need someone who's going to go, we're going to
build twenty bays, and we're going to build a convenience

(38:02):
store and a cafe and a lounge. Like that's the
future of charging. You look go to a Tesla supercharger
where cars, both Tesla and otherwise are sitting and charging,
and I see it because I'm at Yes more often
than not. And you'll see an old couple sitting there
with a coffee in a paper. You'll see another bike
sitting there on his laptop. You'll see me editing videos
or whatever I'm doing. If I could get out of
the car and sit in a lounge and pay, pay

(38:23):
for drinks and that kind of stuff, well I would
do that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Well, I mean they've already started doing that. Tesla started
doing that with that diner over there in La, and
that's a real thing. I thought it was all fake, but.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
In March and I thought, what the fuck is this?
It looks like a space ship. Yeah, it's a very
cool idea, but it's again, it's I don't think it's
their plan for the future. I think it's just their
way of showing off the Melros you know, yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
There's but think about it, though, what have they got there?
Let's say forty charges, right, I mean, they've still got
the diner on the inside. You can do all that
they've got. I think upstairs is like a fucking bar
and a cinema up there. Like it's a great idea to.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Cool it is. Someone though, like Elon, has to put
their money where their mouth is. That's what he's done.
There's no way it's cost effective for Tesla to build
twenty charges at Goldman in a second side, because they've
already got a charger site that's Tesla only in town.
This site's another site. It just doesn't seem logical that
it's right to build twenty. But they're doing it because
they're thinking of the future. They're thinking of those five

(39:20):
days a year at the start and the finish of
school holidays when there is going to be demand.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
That's what they're thinking of. No one else is thinking
about that. That's exactly right. I mean.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
And the fact that a BP at Marulan, which is
on the HIM Highway, has one fucking charger on each
side of the highway, what the hell like, that's insanity.
So we've just got a long way to go before
these companies BP are doing and Shell now they're doing it.
They're building charges.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Starting to but they're building two at.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
A fucking time. Like folks build shitloads, you've got to build.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
A reputation, man build them.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
If you have a reputation for being the place to charge,
then you'll be the destination. That's what you've got to become.
I don't know. I think I think there's something wrong
with that. Part of the industry got a big way.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
God, you got fired up with that, didn't you.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
They get me started about charge Fox.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Can you get don't get me started at them? What
an absolute I told this story on Can you pass
me a piece of pizza? I feel like I'm going
to need to settle on my I can't believe the
pizzas in your end and you're not touching it.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
I was going to I can't believe you put them on.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Mind you, this is a new Trevor Long and I'm
not luking it.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
So about a year ago I stopped it at the
Supertar the fast charge of the charge Fox, thenner I
may charge Fox outside of gold and at the old Macasite,
the current Macro site.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
The pepperoni on these pizzas remind me of Paul and Nipples.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Go on, wow, and it just wasn't working. There was
all this drama. It just wasn't working well. The app
wasn't right, and so on Instagram going this is stupid,
it's fucking outrageous, and charge Fox get your act together
or something. Now, only a few weeks earlier, we'd interviewed
someone from charge Fox on the show, and so they
emailed me and they go, mate, this is not We
explained to you in the interview that we don't run

(40:56):
the charges, we just run the network.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
And I'm like, listen, hey, I'm back up. Did he
just give you the whole mate, I just work here kinda.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
So they're NRMA charges that are on the charge Fox network, right,
And so their argument was it's nrma's fault. They're not
working and they're not upgraded or they're not maintained or whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I'm sorry what name. I was like, who's fucking logo logo?

Speaker 1 (41:18):
When charge Fox which using charge.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Fox And so we had this Yeah, that's what the
nazis said, buddy.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
It doesn't matter if if someone is buying into the
charge Fox Network. It's as much their responsibility as the
you know, the site, the owner of the site, to
maintain the thing. And I think their reputation unfortunately has
not gone well for them because you go to like
they put again, this is a classic example, Golben. Anyone
in New South Wales knows. But you know, if you're
in Melbourne, think euro or a Shepperdon you know, big

(41:49):
place on the highway, Golban. So the charge Fox location
was a ship place on the outskirts of town, but
at least it was near a macket, so there was
somewhere across the road you go for a meal. The
Tesla location in the middle of town unbelievable, but only
for Tesla's. And then just on the outskirts of town
the other side, there's a fucking there's KFC, there's Red Rooster,
there's Macas. That's where you think this would be a

(42:09):
good spot.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
So charge Fox the mechan of like of fast foods,
food outlets and Trevor's like, fucking what a place.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Stuff, that's charge stopping right, that's where the big service
station is.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Well, that's what that's exactly what that Golbin is a
brilliant toilet stop.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yes, exactly, because fast food outlets so charge Fox or
I don't know who owns it because they run the network,
but someone and uses in charge. Fox Network puts a
charging pole in the KFC car park. It's a charging
pole with two fucking plugs on it that do I
don't know, fifty kilowatts and it's fucking goldban mate, Why
wouldn't you build six? And so what happens a year later?

(42:48):
Tesla builds twenty? And there's just I know that Tesla
is more expensive to charge than charge Fox or Evey,
but I'll pay the ten or twenty cents per killer
lot more every day of the week. So the simplicity
and speed of a Tesla super.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
If I'm going to get a full charge on eighteen
minutes and it's going to cost me thirty bucks as
opposed to twenty two bucks for a fucking one and
a half hours, I'll tell you where I'm going.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Every day of the week.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
What's it the deal with this EV tax? Can you
put me across this? Because for me, I don't see
what all the fuss is about, because I mean, we've
known about this for years and it sort of seems
like the thing that should happen anyway. So basically, if
you're an EV owner, you're now going to basically get
tax for using the roads.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
That's right. So you know you're an EV owner, you're
not paying for petrol, so therefore you're not paying the
fuel excise.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
But just like a petrol car user is getting tax
to use the roads.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Sparasn right, and so in Victoria they implemented this a
couple of years ago. So and the EV owners of
course took them to court because they're being stuck up
EV owners who think that they should have entitlements that
they don't.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Right, you were stuck up Evan. You've got two of
them too, of them.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
But I'm realistic. I think of myself more as a
business person than the stuck up EV I know, who goes,
how's the government going to do? The numbers here? They're
making like seventy to twenty billion dollars a year out
of fuel excise, and if we have more and more
and more evs, there's going to be billions and billions
of dollars missing from the budget. How's that going to
affect us? They're either going to put our fucking personal
tax up or something else is going to go on

(44:13):
right here, so they have to fill the hole in
the budget of course.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Right of course, having said that, I think if they're
going to pay tax on it, they need to come
up with and they're going to put in The Australian
government are going to put their logo on charges, fucking
make sure they work. Well, that's true.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
If the government's going to put their logo on things,
there should be a requirement for uptime and all that
kind of stuff. But how do you penalize the charge
and itworks for that you're just penalizing the based on uptime.
That doesn't help the people that came across the charger
at the wrong time. You don't get a compensation for.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
You never get hold responsible for it. But it's like
it's the reputation. You can ask anyone who's too scared
to jump in and buy an EV these days, they'll
all say, ah, look, I don't know, like don't know
about the charging. I don't think we're still we're quite ready,
which I don't if you're about it, I'm still fifty
percent fascinating.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Thing about the Melbourne thing was got overturned by the courts,
right I don't know which court, Supreme Court or something
like that, right, And what's really interesting. I spoke to
someone in government in New South Wales who said at
the time it's actually a really interesting ruling because it
basically says the ruling broadly says that a state can't
impose this level of tax on its citizens. It's just
not entitled to. So it actually draws into question things

(45:21):
like stamp duty and all that kind of stuff if
you actually dug into it. But what they realized was
we can't do it at a state levels. So now
the states are saying the federal government needs to do it.
So the idea is the federal government institute's a law.
I assume the states will run it through registration. We'll
have to say how many CA's we've done, and we'll
pay it. I don't give a shit because four hundred
dollars a year or whatever it's going to be, it's
still cheaper than running a petrol car. Right, So if

(45:43):
you're complaining about as an EV owner, you're actually you're
out of touch. Right. But here's my solution. Buck off
the fuel excise, drop the price of petrol by fifty
two cents, and make everyone pay a road user charge.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Yeah, but you know, if they did that, like the
whole EV thing wouldn't be as attractive anymore.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
No, but it's just neutralizing that as a cost. Everything
else stays the same. For EV drivers, they're cheap it
to maintain, cheaper to run, cheaper to feel. But a
petrol car owner can choose to drive less and potentially
pay less in this road usage tax. But it's also
neutralized so that over time the budget stays the same
based on road usage. It's not one tax and another tax.

(46:24):
It's just one big tax for everyone.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
I don't think like necessarily owning an EV. Well, it
can be cheaper, yes, depending on how you use your EV.
If you're charging at home and you're doing it on
peak hours, fine, fine, fine, And obviously like you've got
to maintain a petrol car and that's fucking expensive. I
get that, but I don't know. Me and Paul have
always talked about this Atlanta, and they always seem at
the moment just to be fifty to fifty.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, I'm pretty confident we're saving three grand a year
on the KEYA versus the EV nine versus the Carnival.
Now we are charging at home a lot more often
than not. But if I look at a trip to
the country and I go, if i'd paid for petral,
you know, full tank is going to be one hundred
plus dollars, and it was thirty five forty on the
on the Tesla charger. So I've always said that charging

(47:08):
an EV is thirty to forty percent the cost of
filling a petrol car. So just on usage, there's no
doubt that it's cheaper to run an electric car. And
if you're really smart by you know, getting you go
to an electricity company with eight cent overnight charging and
all that kind of stuff, you can absolutely bring the
cost of owning an EV down. So if it is
an issue for you, there are very smart things you

(47:30):
can do to make it genuinely cheaper.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
You know what they should get rid of the luxury
car tax, like especially the import luxury car tax.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Especially if we don't have any local industry.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
We don't have a local market we protect. We don't
have a local car market. That's what it was there for,
was to protect your forward and your holdings and all
that sort of.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Stuff happened, We'll buy a Caprice instead of a BMW.
But there's no such thing anymore.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
No, it's it's wild like it's it actually you look
at say I'm in the market to try and get
an old Porsche, right, so much cheaper in New Zealand,
and yeah, my god, there's so much cheaper on the
scheme of things. Say they were say whatever I was
looking at would be eighty grand here, model dependent. But
say if I'm looking about eighty grand here, that would

(48:13):
be about sixty over there. Having said that, by the
time I get it over, which you wouldn't think would
be this much, But it's anywhere between six and end
grand to get it over.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Taxes when you're landed here.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, taxes, transportation. Yeah, plus you pay the person extra
to do all the paperwork and fucking stuff around it.
Just I just don't get it. I don't get why
it's so goddamn expensive to import a car. It's it's wild.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
It's very niche. I guess it's not probably a very
big priority for the government. It's just but the luxury
car tax is definitely something you need assessing. My taxes
generally need assessing. That's the biggest problem we've got in Australia.
It's just weird. Tax system.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
In my view, I've run out of pizza.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Oh you haven't really done the whole pizza of you.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
What else are we? What else are we going to
bring out?

Speaker 1 (48:58):
We know we were going to mention the story that's
been around a little while. How old was that Australian
Automotive Association doing an analysis of the range on an
electric vehicles. So they found like a BYD that had
a stated range of I don't know when iver caught
four hundred k's it was like twenty percent less in
their real world testing. I think the Smart three was
not that bad, but it was still under and so

(49:20):
their basic claim in the headlines in the media was
EV's not living up to the advertised range. And I
think it's a great story because it's good analysis, but
it's just proof that we need education. We need to
educate people. The range is a variable. Range is really
a comparative tool. So if you're shopping for elite motor
versus a depower versus an MG at a price point,

(49:40):
you can absolutely look at and the go, well, this
one's got more range. It definitely has more range on
a comparison basis, because if one says it's got a
bigger battery and a better range. It's going to have
a better range than that other one. However, when you
sit in the car and drive it, you're never going
to achieve Like Mike Evin nine has a five hundred
and eleven K range. It doesn't achieve five hundred eleven K.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Have you ever got over four to fifty in that?

Speaker 1 (50:03):
No? No, it normally gets six hundred. Oh fuck because
it drives around fucking town.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
It goes to the shops and back.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I don't take it anywhere. My wife drives it, and
an EV around town is sick.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
So when shit, yeah, that's what they're great for.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
So when change understated by the way she.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Fully charges that thing, is that going to six comes up?

Speaker 1 (50:20):
It says sometimes it's got six hundred k's range because
it uses the smarts of what it's been driving, not
what the manufacturer said. Whereas if I take the fucking
g Wagon to young it says maximum range four hundred
and one, minimum range three hundred and twenty six, And
I'm like, I don't even think it got three twenty six.
I think it was probably less than that. But you've
got to know when you're buying an EV that it's

(50:42):
going to be dependent on what you do and how
you drive it.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
No, here's my argument against that. Right, if you're going
to drive an EV, you've got to know that it's
not going to reach the kilometers it's advertised.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
For on which drive? Well, just are you assuming everyone's
taking it on a freeway?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Well, because that's the only.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Time it won't reach its goal is if you're driving
a lot of freeways. That's highly inefficient in electric cars.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Well, nah, disagree. I mean I'm sort of driving ten
minutes to work, twenty minutes to pick up my kid.
That sort of staff that MG five s that's advertised
is about four forty right, I'm getting about three eighty
filling that thing.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Ah yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I just feel like as a normal consumer and you're
going to realize we're car guys, you know what I mean? No,
one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
So it's the biggest question we get on our EV
show is just people going, I'm worried about the range
and you've got to you've got to tell people, Hey,
breaking news, whatever you think it's going to have assume
less by the way, in winter, fucking even less because
cold effects batteries and range and then driving It used
to be that you take your petrol car on the freeway,
you get fucking really good fuel economy, But in an

(51:48):
electric car, it's the worst thing you can.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Do, the opposite.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yes, So people don't know that. So this is the
thing we've got to educate people. Dealerships are not trying
to educate people.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Well, then going to if like if you're the average
person thinks that they're going to go a better sell
right for a car. Here's my new EV one, right,
it's shiny, it's beautiful, it's forty five thousand dollars, and
I'll get a forty I'll get four hundred and forty
kilometers of range in it. That that's the cell. But

(52:17):
when you drive that, you're like, ah, I'm only getting
like three point fifty What the fuck.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
There's a sticker on the on the window that says
that too. But here's my counter to that whole fucking story.
My key of Carnival that we bought before the even nights,
we had it for four or five years, had a
stick we had still had the sticker on it, you know,
the fuel economy stick was still on the fucking thing
after five years. I'd never take them off.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Oh, that's embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Eleven point six was the claim fuel economy. I didn't
reset the trip meter from birth, so at the end
of its life having driven, I don't know. I think
it was one hundred thousand k's something. Fourteen point six
was its fuel economy. Yeah, that's why it never came close.
By the way, fourteen.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Point six is massive. I was doing less in a
Chevy silver Rider because.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
My wife just drives to the shops and to the
fucking pick the kids up at school. It doesn't it
doesn't get opened up, whereas I if I took it
on the highway, it might do nine on the highway,
which is awesome and under the stated fuel economy. But
I would challenge motoring journals of Australia to say, how
many cars have you driven that you find fuel economy
wise come under the stated fuel economy. But it's not

(53:20):
a headline. It's not a headline unless it's diesel gate. Well,
it's not a headline that cars petrol cars are not sorry,
are consuming more petrol than was predicted, so therefore their
range is lower than was expected.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Well, we've got used to that over time. This is
a new thing. It's evs, We're going to bash the
shit out.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
That's all I'm saying is it's a fucking great headline.
So I agree it's a problem and we need to
educate people, but I think it was a really good headline.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Safety features on cars now, I would strongly argue that
they are anything but safe, and I want to know
scary sometimes. I'd love to know from whoever it is.
When you get the A CAP safety rating, what the
fuck is actually going on? Because if you're if you're

(54:10):
advertising in car, is that this has got a five
cap start, five star and CAP safety rating because it's
got lane departure assist and speed exceeding the speeding limit
and an alarm for this and a bing for that
and a bong for that. Blah blah blah blah blah.
When you're driving and all this shit is going off.
And this is probably one of the worst things about
the Chinese EV's that are coming in. They are notorious

(54:33):
for it. They are the worst at it and.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
The worst at it, and they're the worst to find
the setting, which makes it even more distracting just to
go looking through the menu while you're trying to turn
the fucking thing off.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
And you're trying to fucking drive. Yes, right, it's it's
absolutely stupid.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
I'm offender that most cars. When I'm singing Billy Joel
loudly on my own in the car, it thinks I'm yawning.
Come on, guys, I'm not tired. I'm excited. That's that's
the car. Because China is listening to us. That's them slowly.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Dying and then hearing Trev like singing like some sort
of constipated dinosaur, as it should be. Yeah, yes, take
this China. What is it something pussy Cat? What's new
pussy What's new pussy Cat? Oh? All that? But yeah,

(55:19):
it's a.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Great way to round out the show.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Well, it's very it's very similar to yours. No, but yeah,
here's the thing I'd say, the safety systems on these cars.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Just it's frustrating. Diabolic motor again going back to oh yeah,
it's lane keeper was just so persistent and it was like, dude,
I don't I need lane keep when I'm leaving the
lane problematically, But when I'm just on the M two,
let me fucking choose where I want to be in
the lane.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
And also like when it's saying concentrate on the road.
And it's saying that over and over and over again.
It's like, mate, I am concentrating on the road. You're
making me lose my concentration because you big big me.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
My kids, my kids love the fact that I get
frustrated because it brings at me and I'm going, fucking,
why are you binging?

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I don't even know why?

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Now. Yeah, some are very obvious. It says you're tired,
you're doing whatever. But other cars just go being being
and I'm like, I missed the red light? What was it?
What was it binging for?

Speaker 2 (56:08):
It's look, it's I think they do more harm.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Ye, And I think I think that I think the
needle on that will swing backwards because they're all realizing
it through software updates and stuff. And I think what
they're doing is they're getting another cars and going, oh,
you can do it, but a bit more subtly. It
doesn't need to be as annoying. It can just be
a little pop up message and all that kind of stuff.
So I think they're all going to learn from each
other which ways things are possible. And like Kia, you know,

(56:31):
it was frustrating to me that we had the speed
of chime a lart and my wife's on the phone
in the car and I can hear the beeping. I'm like, bait,
stop speeding. If you're not going to mute it, stop speeding.
Because they implemented a software update where you push and
hold the mute button and it turns off the speed function. Perfect.
So whenever I get in the Kia, the first thing
I did before I reverse out of the driveway is
I turn that off.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
I mean, that's fine. Actually that's the one thing. The
MG that I'm driving was giving me the shit at
the start, right. It was saying, yeah, focus on the
focus on the road, and it was only doing it,
funny enough when I was taking a phone call in
the car. Obviously not on my phone, but like it was.
It was really doing it. And then I spoke to
MG and they said, yeah, whatever you want to turn off,

(57:13):
the customize the it's the starbut on the steering wheel, right,
So once you can customize that. So once you push that,
you choose what you want to turn off. And I
still want to keep the speed warning on there. I
still want to keep like emergency this on there, but
I want to turn off the sleep stuff and the
bloody concentrate on the road crap, and so yeah, it's

(57:35):
that's to me, that's one of the great things.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
In the defense of all those safety systems. I am
technologically blown away by how accurate they are. I disagree
the fact that they can mate if I if I
am tired, it's it knows that they're not. But if
I am not looking at the road, it knows it.
I think it's amazing that they've nailed that. I just
think the implementation of the warning is fucking her end.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yeah I didn't. I didn't think so at all. I
don't think they know when I'm tired. It's gone off
a lot of the time. When I'm not. When you
look at the speed half the time, it's fucking sha
Like you go from say here, go over the bridge,
which is a five minute drive, right, it thinks it's
it's hit three different four different speeds. It's like it
still hasn't registered. And no, no, this is not a
twenty twenty k zoning.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Ones the ones that automatically break down to another speed
when it's passes a speed sign and you're on a motorway,
you're going one hundred and you drive past an off
ramp and it says seventy for the off ram and
he goes, oh, it's seventy and fucking You're like, dude,
does it which ones? I can't remember which one that was,
but it happened to me once, and I'm like, holy shit.
It was because I was in cruise control, so it

(58:41):
was like he was trying to automatically adjust to the cruise.
I'm like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah,
and by the way, just a shit cantesla quickly at
the end. In that uber that I was in the
other day driving out to more Bank, I was sleeping
in the back. Was a fucking hour drive and it's
fantom breaked twice on the seven.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (58:59):
So he's just driving long at eighty and it think
just goes to break because it detects something that it
thinks is going to be a problem, and it's just bullshit.
It's not a real problem. Oh God, fantom breaking, mate,
Oh that's the word. Bike didn't even apologize either. I
was very four stars to that bloke.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
That happened to us once. In my wife's volvo. It
fucking just breaked, and I'm like, what the fuck and
the steering wheel. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
The seatbelt.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
The seatbelts like lock back, and it's scarce.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
The shit out in the road coming into our kind
of suburb has it's like fifty ks an hour, but
has a slight turning and along the road there's parking
all the way for people to who live there, right,
and there's always these cars on the out what would
be the outside of the turn, and it sets off
fifty percent of cars forward collision at no, no, mate, I'm turning.
It's the fucking road. It's okay, Relax, I'm turning the

(59:43):
fucking corner.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Relax. We we've got along terribly well in this episode
and it's going to piss a lot of people off.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
And oh, that's right, we had beef. Sorry, I've forgotten
that we were meant to have beef.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yeah, well, I blame you. You know what it is. It's
because you're skinny now, and I find you quite good
looking at it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
And I'll come back in another six months and see
if we've actually made some progress on that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Hey, let's let's get to a couple of questions. When
is the merch coming out? And how do I get it?
Regards Dan W.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
W W dot shit merch dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Shut up. You know what my favorite? Do you know
what I've actually like? I remember when you do come
on here, I'm always like straight on your but I thought,
you know what, I'm just gonna let you talk today.
I'm just gonna let you go. I've had a hard
day on the on the ones, and yeah, I've had
to talk about Justin Bieber and I've really had to

(01:00:40):
talk about Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Remember the sticky you gave me, You gave me one
of your drivers show stickers. Yeah, I've still got that.
It's stuck on the lid of the bin out in
the front of the office. We've got a big commercial
bin and it's every time I put something in the bin,
there's you're poorly fuck you, I'll send you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Gave me a you gave me ATM hat once and unfortunately,
I bloody love that hat. And this was when I
was living in quite a posh area with a country club.
I wore it to the country club gym and I
left it on the beach scene.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Which one the one with the stripe or the ones
with the logo on the side, the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Black one, Yeah, it was the one with the logo
on the side. It was the classic one. I'd like
one because like I fucking went to have a shower
and I came back in some old bastard had taken
my e DM.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Man, he's a big fan the FtM. But that's okay whatever,
he's a big fan that. What is atm f TM
Everything for the Man?

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
That's what reason I stood for you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Is that? Are you trying to do like a fucking
man show, Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
No, No, it was just it was the idea was
that it was you know, there was so much women's
content on the internet, Mum and mirr and all that.
There was no.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
You're going to be the mail being freeman just teching
cars made sense. Everything for the Man? Welcome to what's
the next fucking question?

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
I want to go home. Everything, man, my wife's calling me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Everything Everything for the Man sounds like a fucking website.
I do not want to visit. Okay, here we go.
Should we be pushing hybrid cars before ev seeing as
we don't have infrastructure for charging them? Well, thank you
for that, Doug WOOKI we kind of. That's actually an
interesting question. That's a great point, given that we've shadowing

(01:02:17):
a lot of the infrastructure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Of anyone that says that they do a lot of
driving a lot of a lot of kilometers in terms
of rural driving and stuff. Yeah, hybrid is definitely going
to be a better option. And by the way, the
plug in hybrids are a brilliant option because you get
to have the full EV experience at home around town,
but you've got the benefit of range.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
No, they're making way better plug in hybrids now than
they work like two years.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
So byd shark going like, see so many of them
on the road and the country. The JQ that I'm driving, like,
it's got that benefit of being an EV around town,
but it's a fucking a thousand commoners range. It's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
The key is and the Bloody Yandais are making some
great hybrids, some really good ones. When we're Donna and
ham Hamburger warmers, be back on who's Trevor Long again.
That's a good one. Thank you for that one. Yeah,
Donna and Hamburger warmers. That's a joke because I don't

(01:03:12):
worry use she warms at Hamburgers in spots wible a
good gear anyway. I just I prefer those questions. To
be honest, I'm not going into any of the fucking
We'll leave those for Paul. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Yeah, when Paul bothers to come back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Actually he's on next app he'll be back next up.
I know his name's on the fucking billboard and he's
been too busy traveling.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Update the billboards. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
He's, uh, what for you?

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Just for the show?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Actually, once upon a time you wouldn't have fitted. But
now some sort of like filter on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Your photo show to put myself over that? Yeah, yeah,
really pissed Paul off.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Well look a look at Look how fucking white I'm
looking these days. Look at that? I look like like
Donna's left hit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Yeah, there's a bit of tan going on there. That's
fake tan.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
No, No, I had a real time there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Yeah, yeah, I did get my first fake tan.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I love that Paul's laughing at you in the photo too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Fun. Fact, they're two different photos. I can see that,
all right, they're fucking photo.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Paul called dead taking a photo with you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Yes, he would would. I reckon if I booked in
like a proper photo.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Shoot, does Paul do this show?

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
You would be surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Why does Paul do this show? Because it's it's that's
the question that keeps coming up on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
No, it doesn't. This is a reputable car program. This
is absolutely it's better than fucking two idiots and a navy.
Is that guy what's his name?

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Finnick Stephen?

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Yeah, he's good guy. He's actually a good guy. I
don't know why he hangs out with you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Money probably is not related at all.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
They're not related at all. They do look alike.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
They're phoenix, they're multice I guess that's the only women, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Oh there gays your little you know you. Probably everyone
probably thought, oh fuck, he's like he's hanging out with
Jeff Fenix brother. That's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Most people think it's pretty cool that he's Maria or
Frenix brother in his own right. He did play for
South Sydney as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Stephen, So yeah, there's that, but it's not it's called
as Jeffick h Murray. Yeah, that's fuck Maria.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Wow there it is a visual well a, it's been
great hanging out with you. Can I go now?

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
No? I want to I want to talk to you
just two more minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
My wife wants me home put her on, No, no,
she just you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Get the whole When are you coming home?

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
How far does it? How long does it take to
drive home?

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
I reckon twenty five minutes at this time of night.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
There you get.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
It's all a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
What are you driving that? Or what are you going
to be driving that you're really excited about before we go?

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Ummm, Once you've had like a round thousand dollars g wagon,
it's pretty hard to find the next exciting thing. So yeah,
it's all a bit downhill from here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Do you know what? I jumped into Masda m X
five the other day. Shout out to the lovely Focused
Subtle and Masda who just contacted me and said, hey,
do you want an m X five for the for
the week And it's like the special edition sp blah
blah blah. Yeah right, I haven't jumped in a great car.
It's so good. But here's my thing, why would it?
And sorry to Sutherland Master and which, by the way,
you guys were one of the best dealers I've ever

(01:06:09):
walked into. Everyone's friendly, and I'm going to show its
a big difference. I'm going to shout them out because
those sorts of experiences are like far between. Anyway, why
would anyone buy a brand new Mazda MX five. Here's
my thing. It feels exactly like it did five years ago.
It hasn't changed much.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Which, by the way, when you just buy a five
year old one, yeah, because I mean like it's like
warranty maybe maybe car experience.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
It feels exactly the same. And Geszu's saving a lot
of money if you do, like, you're saving a lot.
And by the way, the Apple car play on those
new ones, you've still got to control it through the
fucking wind.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Why, Well, that's the problem with it's a five year
old car, a new Masa with.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Touchscreen, you don't but but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
But it's like it's it's still an old model, like
they haven't actually updated yeah anything inside the car. It's
they're just fucking rolling the same thing off the production.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Yeah, well that's what's But you know, he's such a
fun engage.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Don't buy that car for touchscreen. You buy that car
for the windy roads and the fucking ride and handling it. Well,
that's a great car.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
You turn all that ship off. Yeah, you know what's
still good is the bloody Toyota eighty six.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Yeah, fucking how the driver's car.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
It's still great. It's such as there's such a good
reason why that's a cult car. It's I had a
mate of mine who's got a GT three RS, and
he said that Toyota eighty six that I had is
just as engaging. It's the only other car that's as
engaged his Porsche. That's a bit he's driven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Yeah, in a manual mode, it would be yeah, yeah,
so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Great car.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
That's what you get when you actually have someone who,
like a company, decides to build a car and refine
the drive that we go right back to the leap matter.
You just I'm not saying we can make it drive
like an eighty six. You need someone to go should
the suspension be different, Should we influence the steering in
some way? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
It needs hard to engineer. I reckon a lot of
these evs, like it's hard to get a road for They've.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Got the best fucking weight distribution possible because the battery
is low, it should be actually really good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
You look at a Ionic five N that is that
is probably one of the great that's the greatest EV
you can get it's and it's such a brilliant lesson
to anyone who is bringing out an EV because it's
so us. It just feels the road like nothing else.
For sure, it's fucking amazing. So nothing, nothing you're looking
forward to, all right, So.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
I'm for every day in life, but yeah, I'm not
looking forward to returning the g wagon at this point.
Sad days.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Okay. Contact at the Drivershow dot com dot au. Thank
you for coming on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Man, it's my pleasure. No, it's as long as Paul's
not here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
No, let's kill him off next time he comes in.
I'm gonna push your face on there just to see
what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Yeah, sorry, mate, we didn't update it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Yeah, these the numbers were good, would you take Yeah?
I reckon. You need to start doing like a centerfold
for us, do like a centifold naked shot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
That's definitely not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Thanks for coming in there, buddy, Thanks for listening to
The Driver's Show. If you'd like to put your brand here,
you can now sponsor us. Contact at the Driver's Show
podcast dot com dot au or drop us a DM
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