August 12, 2024 • 37 mins
Sorry about the long break! Gordie has finally started returning Paul's phone calls after the 'incident'.
On this show we talk about the huge invasion of Chinese cars coming to Australia and what you can expect, Gordie tries to sell his Outback and is shocked by the value and we also talk about the raft of cars you'll find in Thailand that you don't get in Australia.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Where where back? Where have you been? Bitch? Here?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
There?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And every week a lot of people have been asking
where the hell have we been? What has happened while
there's been a rift in our relationship. It's been a
very We were doing a stage show. It was your birthday.
We wanted to know what you wanted for your birthday
and he said, don't miss trump this time, and we
(00:35):
were abrupted. We stopped the band. But we've had a chat,
We've hugged it out.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
You then started taking ice and then beating your own.
That was Andrew.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
We do look similar these days, don't you know what
amazes me about that? Dude's life is down the toilet
like he is low, low, low, But damn he looks good.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I saw the news story today he was found again
with an ice pipe or something, allegedly, and I looked
at him. I'm like, for someone who was found with
an ice pipe after driving well suspended allegedly, do.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You actually look fairly with it. It's like he could
be on the front cover of a bloody David Jones
cat along, but he's still with an ice pipe. Of course,
you know, Mane very much mirrors my life. Have you been?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Have you been Yeah good. Sorry about the long time
between drinks. It's just been a bit of a scheduling nightmare.
I've been on holiday. You went on holiday and we
just couldn't make it work. And then you move studios
with studios.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
We've got a brand new driver show studio and this
sh mick. It actually sounds good so far. Everything's working
a diffuse light.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's quite something.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
That's to keep the mozzies away. We did have an
episode in the Can, but technical issues. And also I
got awfully drunk and spat some stuff about my super
outback that we should probably never publish. So yeah, I've
been away. Oh my god. Right, I went to Thailand. Yes,
So the craziest cars that you see in Thailand, right,
(02:16):
this is the thing I love about that country, like,
and it's the same with like countries, like amongst amongst
the ping pong bull shows that I frequented, a lot
of people go to Thailand to like learn how to
kickbox and stuff. I learned to do ping pong. No, no,
mister Gordy, no, you have to give it thrust anyway.
(02:40):
So what I loved is I saw a whole bunch
of cars over there that I've never seen anywhere else
in the world. Yep, I saw. I mean, we know
about the Ford f one fifty. I saw a Mustang Mustang.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
There you go, that's you. I like that, that's that's
something coming out I suspect.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, I saw a I saw a Masda too, which
I think it's looked factory. They'd don't done it up
to look like an.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Ev Oh but that was deranged.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Okay, so that was fine. But did you notice as well?
And I've noticed this before when I've been to Thailand
and Bali as well. A lot of the cars they
drive so close together, but there is just no damage
on them. No, And I don't understand how that's possible.
They must just have the skills to just not be
making contact with each other. It's really quite bizarre.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
They're very bizarre. One other thing I saw was I
don't think we have this here. Do we have a
Toyota Hilux Champ.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
No, we don't. But that's basically like when we've written
about that before. It's like blown up the website. So
it's like the Jymney where I think if they sold it,
it would have like this immense following.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I think I would do. It was actually quite cool.
I said to the dude who I saw driving. It
was dropping stuff off, like markets and stuff, and this
thing looked ball. He knew it like it was all black,
it was low to the ground, everything was like all
black everything. But it was like I'm in a highlax champ.
(04:13):
It was a different one. I reckon they should bring
that out. You saw it in the flash because you
look at it. I'll put a photo on our socials.
But I think it's one of those cars that it
looked better in person than it does in photos. It
looks cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Look, they released a new version of it, and I
got to say, it kind of just looks like it
gets the job done. It's interesting just in terms of size.
It actually like it's smaller than what we know as
you know, a regular duel cabut like a Highlights or
a Ranger. But I don't know. I just think it's
(04:51):
I just think it's a cool looking thing. In terms
of the engines, they've got a two leader of two
point seven petrol and a two point four lead diesel,
so it's almost the same parent all capput as the
highlights that we get here. So it's a pretty sort
of nifty little thing.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
One thing I loved about our break was watching this
great little video that you published on the Cherry, the
Cherry Tiggo Pro Max.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
It's actually the Tigo eight Pro Max Ultimate.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I just the comments were amazing, Like the comments
in that was basically it was you showing up quickly
explained the feature. Just explain the feature first off before
we get into it.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, so this thing is very cheap. It's like under
fifty thousand dollars drive away and it basically has a
fragrance dispenser, So basically you can load whatever fragrance you
want in there and it will dispense all over you
while you're driving.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, Trevor's Cooper Born actually comes with it in built.
Last night's rain d and Beef Curry part you just
drive along? How's about that one? Tigo? Yeah? No, the
comments were amazing, Like you read those comments and they
sat like I could hear them as callers on like
Neil Mitchell's like talkback program, just like what's bloody going on?
(06:13):
Which pool You've lost me? Pooh? I assure him talk
about them.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
The cheery Tigo Ultra Absorbant temper and whenever the fact
showing he was talking about the schmellis and you should
porch the Chinese. He's gone down hill there the way
he did the thumbs up at the end of that video,
he should porch him.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, my favorite was can we test those fragrances for carcinogens?
Not what I'm suggesting the Chinese would cut corners or
falsify numbers to make something a beer better than it
really is. It's just the anti China sentiment and the
thing that I fight funny, Like, firstly, no one is
forcing you to buy this car, so just because it exists,
(07:01):
like people are just defended by it. And if you
have a look at the comparable like Toyota product that
has seven seats, it is double the price almost. So
what you want someone who can't afford to actually like
feed the family just got you gotta buy Toyota even
though it's massively overpriced.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's such an old way of thinking. It's such an
old way of thinking, like the struggling families that are, yeah,
just trying to put fucking food in their kid's mouth,
and you guys are rubbishing like a cheap car that's
finally on the road that can put seven people in
there late.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And the other thing that's kind of just crazy about
this situation as well. We saw when Perjo took like
twenty something thousand dollars out of the price of the
E two Double oh eight that if you have a
car that you're selling that has twenty thousand dollars of
margin in it, because obviously they're still making money on it,
it just shows you how much Toyota is ripping customers
off at the moment. Maybe they're not ripping them off,
(07:57):
but they are just making so much out of these cars.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
A lot of profit. Yeah, and it's been more happy
to pay that go for it. That is such a
jump too, isn't it a twenty grand?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, Like if you can take twenty grand, even Tesla
did it with Model Y it was seventy two at
its peak, it's now fifty five and they're still making money.
So if you can take almost twenty grand out of
a Tesla as well that's also made in China, well,
it just shows you how much money everyone else is
making off you.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
So they announce that price dribe. I mean, you jump
in a Pergo and it's like it's a nice car.
I think they look great, they feel great, they have
beautiful interior. They're very underpowered in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So if you can see the speeder, which I can't.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, but the problem is they've always been very expensive
for what they are. I think they're putting out a
great product, but I'm like, Jesus paint, you want how
much and you've got like a one point five in
this what are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And that's where the EV game has really leveled the
field because previously you used to have to be a
manufacturer of note to have a car that accelerates fast
and does all that sort of stuff, Whereas now anyone
can just go get and off the shelf electric motors
and batteries and you've got a car that can accelerate
fast like you've got a lot of other elements to it.
So I'm sort of exaggerating a bit there, but like,
(09:09):
it's not it's not like that situation where a one
and a half letter is just just you can look
at it and go, well, that's not a two leader
or a three leader or whatever. So I think the
game is going to be changing. So we actually did
a presentation at the double Ada, which is the Australian
Automotive Dealers Association.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Gee, that sounds fun, the Automotive Dealers Association.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
There was a lot of women in the room just
kidding a lot of men.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
So basically, did you tell those dealers that they're a
dying breed?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yes, Andrew still buys a fever bit of stuff from them.
What's Andrew still buys a febit of stuff from him?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Who's Andrew?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Okeith?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I got on that one cook?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So yeah, I got a barbecue out.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
He's up for a nice barbie.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So we had a slide up there that showed all
the Chinese brands that are coming. There were ten of
them that are going to be here in the next
six to twelve months.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
What are we looking at. We're looking at a few
of the new entries.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Let me read some of them out to you because
some of these, even me, as a car person in
the industry in the biz, hasn't actually heard of some
of these. So the one that's just around the corner
is Zeka. So they're launching two, which is a van
and a small car.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Are they Are they a derivative of MG.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
No, they're a derivative of go to my list here Ghily,
which is Volvo's parent company. So you've got Jack Motors
Jac they're about to launch a ute. You've got Smart,
which is now half owned by the Chinese. Are about
Smart have been around for a while, yeah, but now
owned by partly owned by China. Jku, which is a
(10:46):
luxury mediumsuv turned j Cuo's mate turn jus.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah yeah yeah, hold the mustard, hold the Master Crispy Noodles. Yeah,
I'll have the prawn Cracker. Complimental Management.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
That'll be grad x Peng, which there is a cream
for I think, oh yeah, she's a good woman. Leap Motor,
which has two cars coming sky well, which sounds like
a a robot that's going to take over the world.
Gak Motor, are you serious? Gack gack with a j
(11:18):
tour and you like this one deep Pal.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
What's it called deep Pal? Deepal.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So these are all just the ones that are like
six to twelve months away or so.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So if people think that just slagging off Chinese brands,
just don't buy them, it's like, well, sorry, they're cheap
and they are going to force out the manufacturers to
finally get with it on pricing. And stop just jacking
prices up constantly and unnecessarily.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Have they become they would they would now be the
biggest automotive producers in the world, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Good question. They are the biggest exporters and if you
have a look just in Australia alone, the sales. What
surprised me is over the past ten years or so,
the rate of sales of Chinese vehicles has just gone
absolutely through the roof. And compare that to the Koreans,
and the Koreans had I guess they had like a
(12:14):
bit of a slow rise but they finally got there
in the end. But the Chinese brands have just gone
through the roof in terms of how quickly they're they're
sort of coming to the market with their cars. And
we've seen a tenfold increase in the amount of cars
that they're selling over the past few years, so you know,
and they're just going to keep coming.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I think also like there's some that are entering the
market and they're putting an absolutely killer product. Some have
worked to do definitely, but some are And I'm not
just fanboying this, but like I was so impressed with
the BYD the Seal performance was just incredible, and obviously
the Seals Sorry, the Sea Line six is on its way,
(12:55):
which I still love that name. It sounds like a
it sounds like a boody sheep rided SeaWorld or something. No, Caleb,
you can't get your father's still on the Sea Lion six.
Sit down and have your fucking cheeseburger. And no, no, don't,
don't have the thick shake. No, not before you jump
(13:16):
on the Sea Lion six. You'll have a spiel. You
get home and have a creamy shit. No anyway, So
poor Caleb, poor Kaleb, bloody, Oh, poor Kale, to get
on the dolphin.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
He's lacked.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Jesus, don't get him on the dolphin. His mom took
her right and Jesus Christ that porpoise never returned. Anyway.
My point being that I genuinely believe what they're putting
to market is stuff that automatically deserves to be sitting
next to established brands, brands like Mazda and running the mill,
(13:49):
Toyotas and things like that. I think they're putting an
excellent product out there. So all these people rubbish in
Chinese cut like it. That's fine, carry on, so many
so much to choice from why why? Why get passionately
and agree about it?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And ironically they're sitting there on their iPhones, which was
assembled by some small child, probably in China. So just just.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Chill out, just chill anyway, that's all right? Hey, what
are you driving? This week's what's kind of?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
What is the HAPs? What are we driving?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
What have you got? Oh?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I got a big news. I canceled my Tesla Model
WI order. I thought to myself, was.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
This the one with the this is the facelift of
one too? Right?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
No, so facelifted one is still coming. And my car
had come to the end of its novated lease. And
I think previously we've spoken about how the values have
completely tanked, and basically my novaated lease was up in July,
and it was sort of around April April May that
I was like, I got to get rid of this
thing because a brand new one is now fifty five
(14:55):
and my residual was something like forty forty four to
forty five.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That's not bad.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, it's not great either, because everyone on the second
hand market had them listed for above fifty five. For
what is wrong with these idiots when you can just
go buy a brand new one. Why would anyone want
a secondhand one. So once they started realizing that, they
started tanking the prices, and I basically just got rid
of mine through our solo car service on our site.
Someone took it away for how much I owed on it.
(15:21):
But basically now you cannot get rid of them, so
there's a fire sale happening of model. Wise, a lot
of people bought the white one because they just wanted
the cheapest thing they could and there was just so
many listed. So I thought to myself, look at fifty
five getting a new novadd lease now is actually a
pretty good deal, because for fifty five grand, that car
is such good value for money. But I started sort
(15:43):
of having a bit more of a look at it
and novaded leasing companies, most of them are around the
fifteen percent comparison rate mark for a loan, which is
obscenely high even compared to an extortionate personal car loan.
Fifteen percent is outrageous.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
What they do is they bury all of their profits
in that and also management fees, so that you still
get a marginal tax benefit, but they gobble up pretty
much all of the actual benefit through these inflated interest rates.
So I thought to myself, look, I want to get
another model, why but I also want to try another EV.
I feel like I've owned Teslas now for five years
(16:22):
and I don't really want to just get stuck just
driving Teslas all the time.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
So you are going to go for another EV?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yes, okay, So can you see what your reaction is here?
So the Pugio e to just kidding, I wouldn't do that.
I'm getting a Ford Mustang Marquee. Now I will caveat
this by saying I'm not buying this car. I'm getting
the car from Ford for six months, so it's like
it's a long term like it is, so it obviously
(16:47):
means I won't be paying for it, But to me,
I will really want to see what it's actually like
to have another brand of EV. So I picked the
car up last week and already it's pissing me off.
Like basic stuff like the app is like light years
behind Tesla. That's probably one of the things I love
the most about Tesla. The app is just so good
(17:08):
to use, So that is beginning to annoy me. So
we'll see how it goes from here, and I'll give
regular updates. But I just really want to get a
better understanding of what it is like to own an
ev that is not a tesla, just to see what
that's like.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So I've got a bit of news to go on.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So I come on, come on down, you little daily
driving my little side dish. Go on.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yes, you got rid of the kd Lang, No, the
kd lang. The CUBR back is still there there if
you want a bloody buy it. Actually, can I say
before I reveal what I'm driving? When I bought that
car less than a year ago, right the dealer, I
(17:47):
think it was say fifty six, Right fifty six. It
was the XT Sport, so sort of mid range. He said,
keep it for like two years. You'll be able to
get rid of this for like fifty one fifty two. Wow. Interesting, Okay,
So I've gone to kind of have a look and
sort of price it on car sales. I'm like, oh
(18:10):
that have I got the right model?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I mean, did he lie to you?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
It's funny because I rang him up and I said
how much for trading? Like do you want to? Let's
do it?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Just you know when we chatted and you said you'd
you reckon?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Like, I mean, look, this is like it's actually it's
like less than twelve months now, and I mean it's
done less than ten thousand kilometers like single digits, pretty good,
you know, So thirty nine oh thirty nine oops? Oops,
all right okay? And I actually said to him, I said, oh, mate,
(18:49):
you told me keep this for two years you'll get
fifty two. What a fizzit that turned out to be?
And he's like, wow, you could probably get about forty
eight on the private market. It's like, you're still going
to offer me like thirty nine. So hold, let me
here's the thing less than twelve months ago. That was
a fifty six thousand dollars car.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
In fact, I'm going to check upthing. So what's your rego?
You're going to edit this bit out? Let's have a look. Yep,
super out back all will drive sport XT that's it. Okay.
So how many k's are?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Nine thousand and fifty?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeahs five hundred SA round out?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Okay, next, so okay, so a couple more questions here.
Car conditions. So service history, well, I mean it's complete, Yeah,
it's complete.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It's never even been taken into the ten thousand kilometers.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Service exterior condition poor fair or great. That's say, great
interior condition, poor fear or great, great mechanical condition poor
fear or great. Aside from the horrendous fuel economy.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Great components, all functioning, yep.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Okay, it doesn't pull as many chicks as I think
it's pulling the wrong card.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Okay, So according to our estimate, oh at depending on
the condition at the low end thirty two thousand, whoa,
and at the high end thirty seven seven to fourth.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Fuck off. I'm not now selling it to you.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Can I can I explain something to you. So the
reason it's less than what you would get on the
private market is because old mate needs to buy it.
So let's pretend he pays thirty seven for it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He'll paid thirty nine. He's already off in thirty nine. Y.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Let's pretend he pays thirty nine. He then needs to
get it cleaned checked, which is get a roadworthy done. Yeah,
and then he has to make some money off it.
So you want to be making ten, maybe twenty percent
off it. So by the time you add your twenty percent,
that is what he's going to be selling it to
a punter four, which is about fifty grand so the
whole reason, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Reckon he'll get fifty grand. I reckon he'd probably get
about Yeah, I reckon. If I sold it, I'd probably
at this point be happy with forty seven.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
But this is the thing, right, you have to list it,
you have to pay car sales the extortion and amount
that they want for it. They need to deal with
idiots who come and see it, test drive it and
then don't buy it, or idiots that just message you
is it still available?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, that's a marketplace. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
So the whole reason services like this exist so you
can get rid of it. And the reason I got
rid of mine. For what I did was because I
could see what was coming, which was this thing crashing.
So a lot of people just want to get rid
of their cars, and for me, all I did I
took some pictures of it, and then a truck turned
up and took it and that was it. So I
think that ultimately, if you do genuinely want to get
(21:32):
rid of it, you either have to go through the
hassle of selling it privately, which no one wants to do,
or you just take a hit on it and just
get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah. I mean, like for an extra eight thousand bucks,
I'll take the hit on. I'll just I'll sell it myself.
Do you know what I mean? It's a grand? A
grand is a grand? I mean you're looking at what
one hundred and fifty for.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
A car sales ad Oh, no, like four hundred? Is it?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Really?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
That's why it's such a waste of time listing on
car sales A while so expensive.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So yeah, look, there's probably a little bit of there's
probably a little bit of that, yeah at this point.
And like, plus, I'm in no real hurry to drive
it because I've got another car that I'm driving. You're
already so obviously with the fuel consumption issues, and obviously
I'm very concerned about the environ I have. I've made
(22:24):
the sweet cho go on, flick the sweech, I've gone
the ev path. Yes, you're already Genesis GV sixty. Oh
that's cute.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's cute.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Have you seen it? Seen it? Yeah, I've got it,
You've seen it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It's beautiful, it's got it's midnight blue and it's got
lovely sort of cream white interior. And do you know
what I love about it? At the most is the
little patchwork on the interior, on the leather interior, it's diamonds,
but they're g's. Some would say genesis. I'd say little
g forgot I. And you know what else I like
(23:03):
about it was when you park it, little crystal ball,
appeal crystal ball. So here's what I will say. Might
not you at first glance, I know what you're thinking.
Second second, and third glance, you're thinking, Wow, that's luxurious.
It's very opulent. It doesn't really suit my personality. I
(23:26):
like a fast car, you know, so as a daily
I can tell you right now, I do like and
I've always said this, I reckon like Eve for a
daily commuter is the best way to go. I just
I fucking I've driven Porsches in traffic before and it
was an absolute nightmare to own a Porsche as a
(23:46):
daily for me in Sydney traffic. So this is just
I can just fucking kick back, slide along. I feel
a bit luxurious. It feels nice, and you know the yeah,
the little cameras asah, oh.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
You you are trying to make this sound great.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You think I'm polishing a turd. I'm not. It's not
don't think.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I don't think it's a turd. I just think that
platform that is the worst car on that platform.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
No, yes, the worst.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I think it looks weird. And those cameras are just
diabolically bad. And that gearstick thing is the stupid yes.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Little circle, you don't like it? No, what I hang
on here?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I did that.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
If you go, if you went, say the Ionic five,
not the End, which is the greatest ev known to man,
but just the Ionic five. I mean that's the same
platform as a GV sixty, right yep, so you reckon
the GV sixty drives worse than the Ionic.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Just in terms of the looks. I just think it looks.
It just looks very weird. And yeah, just the gearstick
thing I don't love. And the mirrors, and the mirrors,
regardless of which car that is on. I never once
experienced digital mirrors that actually work. Please tell me didn't
buy it?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
No, no, no, no, okay, So look it's there's bad. It's
there for as long as I like, or until they
hear you mouth off bad things about it. So thanks
for that. Someone looks like I'm back in the ah. Look,
I say, look, and that's genuinely. They totally understand it.
(25:33):
For me, it's like it's a warts and all. It's
like I will say that the exterior of the car
is the thing I like the least. The inside I like.
Genuinely stand by it. I think it does feel great,
the little crystal bally circular thing. I think what yun
Day products do really well is they sort of switch
it up a bit in the Young Days where they
(25:54):
have the stalk. At the start, I didn't like the stork,
but I ended up really quite enjoying this stalk. I
thought it was fine. It makes sense for backwards. I think, ah,
this is just as fine as a middle thing. But
so far the little circular dials is not amazing.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well, the thing I'm confused by is they had to
make a point of difference, right, and they wanted to
make a luxurious kind of but while it's like, that
is storage space you could have had. And also that
platform supports the stalk, so just put it on a
stalk and figure out some other gimmick.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Excuse me, it has a crystal ball when it parks.
I'm driving around in a car like Liberachi. Frankly, it
goes with my glitter pads. Yes, my bumbless glitter pads
looks so so far, so good.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
It's got some first, just get this in quickly. It's
the first G spot you've hit in a while because
it's just on the seat and it's the G.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That's pretty good. It's hard to miss. Take the rest
of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I think that was enough joke for another six months.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It's just that you're really tapped down big there. Hit
the showers, big boy, quite literally. I'll follow you in.
I've got a genesis. You know what I will say though,
and generally mean it. It does. It does a few
things really well. By the way, the cameras as your
(27:28):
side mirrors, I didn't think I would get used to them,
but I'm getting I'm getting used to them.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Reverse parking, that's where I think they're the worst.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's a big it feels big to reverse.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, like those mirrors. They just don't work for reversing
the thing.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I okay. The one thing I'll say at the top
of the list. It beeps or like, I'll be a
foot away from a pole. And do you know I
had a taxi driver once and he actually got out
of his car. I didn't know what he was doing.
I was such an eadiot at the time. I didn't
really I wasn't really cultured like I am now. And
I was looking out the window like, what's he doing something?
(28:06):
Why does he keep looking under the car? What?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
What?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And then I was like, all right, you're right, And
then I realized he was having a prey. He wasn't
looking under the car.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
He was like, yeah, I think that's just a stupid
thing to be doing. Well, you've got a customer, but when.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You got to go, you go go. Have you ever
jumped in a car right that you've been looking forward
to for so long? And you're like, oh, give me
one example real quick, you.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Go yours first. I didn't even think about this.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Well, the very first we haven't reviewed properly an Alpha
product Alpha Romeo.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
That's because no one buys them FEV and especially that one.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, and I actually think Alpha products a beautiful the
do you call it? Do you say Julia or Gulia?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
The Julia Julia and the Stelvio look good, but that
Tinari looks I feel great.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I think the really, I think it's got a good bump. Look,
the lights look good when you turn them on. They
have that kind of shape. I think it's quite a
quite a nice looking suv and it certainly feels nice
on the inside. It does feel premium and you're like, oh,
this is the leather feels really good and just just
(29:32):
a little bit shit, just like just I can't. I
was driving along thinking what is it about this that
I really don't like? And the suspension, just the whole
feel of the car just didn't seem right at all.
The suspension was way off, like it just the whole
thing felt rigid, and I was I was so disappointed.
(29:52):
Another another car that I thought would blow my mind,
and it was just fine, are you ready for this?
I'm gonna get so much hate for saying this. I'm
just preparing for the onslaught of hate. Was the WRX
Club Spec?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Oh, yes, there is. It's not what it used to be.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
No, And like the Club Spec, I think it looks
pretty cool. It's got the big wing up the back,
it's got some bits and pieces, it's got some faux
carbon fiber on in the inside. They could have tuned
it a little better. They could have made it sound better.
It doesn't sound any different in my view to a
normal WRX. They're putting a premium on it, and there's
(30:31):
like they're fully going out of their way to say
how limited edition it is, and you can't buy it anywhere.
It's like I don't care though, Like they've got little
plates on there. Oh this is number five of one hundred.
I think there is only one hundred in Australia. I
was so I thought it would be so much better
than it was.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, it's one of those cars that just has something brilliant.
It's just super for you. Yeah, for me, I was
just having a bit of a think about this. It's
a bit of a backhanded compliment, but for me it
was the GWM Tank five hundred.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Now reason three hundred the other day. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
The reason I say that it was more just the
hybrid that was a bit shit. It had moments where
it really shone and excelled, but then the rest of
the time it was just so confused of itself and
didn't really know what it was doing. And it's a
shame because they have a V six available overseas that
would do really well here because the rest of the
specs really stack up nicely. The interior is amazing, like
(31:30):
the doesnt it is so good so yeah, it's one
of those ones where I was just like, I just
wish it was just a little bit better than this, But.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, a little bit. I think that was like lacking
refinement and a few bits definitely.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, not a huge amount, but it was just that
little bit that it needed to fix. So but yeah,
I don't know that the car market's interesting at the moment.
We've got this huge on slaughter of Chinese brands and
everywhere I go there are cars sitting around on dealer
lots and in storage like the done a lot of
airport trips recently in near Melbourne Airport. The storage yards
(32:03):
there Sydney as well, there are just cars sitting there.
And I think we're reaching a point where there's a
big glood of cars. And it's great if you're a
car buyer at the moment because it means that you
can pick up a good deal. Everyone is going to
be doing deals, but there is a bit of a
little bit of where do I want to use here.
There's a bit of falseness to those deals because if
(32:24):
you have a look at something like a ray of
four that's gone up like ten twenty thirty percent over
the past sort of five years, it's become a lot
more expensive and nothing has really changed. So when they
do a deal, and Toyto won't do that anytime soon,
But when a brand does a deal, you're not actually
really getting that much of a discount. You're just paying
less of an inflated price than you would have been otherwise.
(32:46):
So yeah, it's a funny old market at the moment.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, and I think we're about to be flooded with
a lot of choice, as you said, with the Chinese cars.
So I think we could even hit a situation where
the baseline of car I don't know what would call
it quality or is there going to be cars that
we just go Is there anything in the market that's
standing out that's just great, not that expensive, is just
(33:14):
above the line, because like it's now going to be well,
I don't know necessarily think it's going to be raised,
but there's certainly.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
The problem is now brands like Mitsubishi with the Triton,
they get lost now because the Trenton used to be
a value proposition and it's now become expensive more expensive.
The value proposition is now with the Chinese brands, which
there's more of coming in the dual cabute market. Absolutely,
the premium stuff is better than even the new Triton,
so you can't charge more for it. So you're just
in this middle ground where no one really has a
(33:43):
reason to buy you. So I think a lot of
brands are going to fall into that, and brands like
Citron and Persia, I mean, I think they are going
to be some of the first victims to all this stuff,
Asuzu as well. Like we've got all these new emissions
regulations coming next year and you have to sell electric
cars to offset the fines that you're going to get.
I assume it has no electric cars, they don't electrify anything.
(34:05):
So you're going to get to a point next year
where they're going to get these big fines that they
pass on to customers, and all of a sudden, the
thing that was actually a good value for money is
now very expensive.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
That's a good point. And they're well built. They're well
built cars as too. I think they've got it. They've
certainly got a place.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
And just on the Chinese cars again, you've got one
hundred and almost thirty car brands in China. Over half
of those started in the last ten years, so you
Australia has like sixty something car brands and it's one
of the most saturated markets in the world, so you're
going to have the potential for another ten or twenty
car brands to be here. I mean brands like Alfa Romeo.
(34:41):
Why would anyone buy one when you've got cheap options
with the Chinese premium stuff, with Toyota and the other brands.
It's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, I think I think the average family is going
to be looking at a lot of these cars and going, well,
hang on, that car is fifteen thousand dollars less than
that other car I'm looking at. Plus it's comes with
a seven year warranty. What's this bad stuff I'm hearing
about Chinese cars? I don't get it. I just drove it.
The average person isn't going to find like find the
(35:10):
you know, they could get in a tank three hundred
and get in a GEP Wrangler yep, and it's I
think for most people they'll just kind of going, well,
I can't really tell the difference.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Well, when it comes to money, people care less. If
you go the supermarket, if you've got an Australian made
product that's double the price at some point you're going
to go, Well, I want to support Australian made, but
I also want to eat and not be broke. So
I can see that in the car world's that's where
this is going to head. So it's interesting times.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I think we should wrap this up. Should we cue
the wrap up music and just put it in there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Go for it, go for a queue, all right.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So listen before we go. Here's what we've discovered about
each other today. You're driving a Ford Markeye. Is that
it staying a Markey? Why didn't you just take the
normal Mustang?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
They look great, by the way, because A it's not
electric and B it doesn't fit family things.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I what you can fit a kid in the back
of the eyes? I did.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
And also they keep delaying the new Mustake.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yes that's true, Yeah they do. Many of minds ordered
it and he's been pushed back heaps. I'm driving a
Genesis GB sixty and I'll say it like that every
time we talk about it. I'm going to say it
like this.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
The Genesis GB sixty. I drove it to my salon today.
Steven loves it. I love it more Genesis.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I'm keen to hear from anyone who's still listening to
this at this point. Would you buy China? You have
to finish, you have to do the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Genesis has to be the exact same every time. Makes
me moist every time I.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Drive it to the zelle.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
For the time I put my pop here pathlay into
the front seat. He's such a cheeky kulud cheeky bitch,
such a ch.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
An emotional. There's a cheek bitch.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
He's sniffing for.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
A bone, looking off as a bonus.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Would you buy a Chinese car? I'm genuinely curious. I
know a lot of people say they wouldn't, But if
you had to, would you buy a Chinese car? And
if not, why not contact at the Drivers Show dot com?
That are you? I don't think we're going to try
and commit to doing these a little more often.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Well, that's completely up to you contractually. Yes, there is,
there's your signature, and there is my gun sound to us.
See you next week. Everybody
Where where back? Where have you been? Bitch? Here?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
There?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And every week a lot of people have been asking
where the hell have we been? What has happened while
there's been a rift in our relationship. It's been a
very We were doing a stage show. It was your birthday.
We wanted to know what you wanted for your birthday
and he said, don't miss trump this time, and we
(00:35):
were abrupted. We stopped the band. But we've had a chat,
We've hugged it out.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
You then started taking ice and then beating your own.
That was Andrew.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
We do look similar these days, don't you know what
amazes me about that? Dude's life is down the toilet
like he is low, low, low, But damn he looks good.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I saw the news story today he was found again
with an ice pipe or something, allegedly, and I looked
at him. I'm like, for someone who was found with
an ice pipe after driving well suspended allegedly, do.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You actually look fairly with it. It's like he could
be on the front cover of a bloody David Jones
cat along, but he's still with an ice pipe. Of course,
you know, Mane very much mirrors my life. Have you been?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Have you been Yeah good. Sorry about the long time
between drinks. It's just been a bit of a scheduling nightmare.
I've been on holiday. You went on holiday and we
just couldn't make it work. And then you move studios
with studios.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
We've got a brand new driver show studio and this
sh mick. It actually sounds good so far. Everything's working
a diffuse light.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's quite something.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
That's to keep the mozzies away. We did have an
episode in the Can, but technical issues. And also I
got awfully drunk and spat some stuff about my super
outback that we should probably never publish. So yeah, I've
been away. Oh my god. Right, I went to Thailand. Yes,
So the craziest cars that you see in Thailand, right,
(02:16):
this is the thing I love about that country, like,
and it's the same with like countries, like amongst amongst
the ping pong bull shows that I frequented, a lot
of people go to Thailand to like learn how to
kickbox and stuff. I learned to do ping pong. No, no,
mister Gordy, no, you have to give it thrust anyway.
(02:40):
So what I loved is I saw a whole bunch
of cars over there that I've never seen anywhere else
in the world. Yep, I saw. I mean, we know
about the Ford f one fifty. I saw a Mustang Mustang.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
There you go, that's you. I like that, that's that's
something coming out I suspect.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, I saw a I saw a Masda too, which
I think it's looked factory. They'd don't done it up
to look like an.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Ev Oh but that was deranged.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Okay, so that was fine. But did you notice as well?
And I've noticed this before when I've been to Thailand
and Bali as well. A lot of the cars they
drive so close together, but there is just no damage
on them. No, And I don't understand how that's possible.
They must just have the skills to just not be
making contact with each other. It's really quite bizarre.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
They're very bizarre. One other thing I saw was I
don't think we have this here. Do we have a
Toyota Hilux Champ.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
No, we don't. But that's basically like when we've written
about that before. It's like blown up the website. So
it's like the Jymney where I think if they sold it,
it would have like this immense following.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I think I would do. It was actually quite cool.
I said to the dude who I saw driving. It
was dropping stuff off, like markets and stuff, and this
thing looked ball. He knew it like it was all black,
it was low to the ground, everything was like all
black everything. But it was like I'm in a highlax champ.
(04:13):
It was a different one. I reckon they should bring
that out. You saw it in the flash because you
look at it. I'll put a photo on our socials.
But I think it's one of those cars that it
looked better in person than it does in photos. It
looks cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Look, they released a new version of it, and I
got to say, it kind of just looks like it
gets the job done. It's interesting just in terms of size.
It actually like it's smaller than what we know as
you know, a regular duel cabut like a Highlights or
a Ranger. But I don't know. I just think it's
(04:51):
I just think it's a cool looking thing. In terms
of the engines, they've got a two leader of two
point seven petrol and a two point four lead diesel,
so it's almost the same parent all capput as the
highlights that we get here. So it's a pretty sort
of nifty little thing.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
One thing I loved about our break was watching this
great little video that you published on the Cherry, the
Cherry Tiggo Pro Max.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
It's actually the Tigo eight Pro Max Ultimate.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I just the comments were amazing, Like the comments
in that was basically it was you showing up quickly
explained the feature. Just explain the feature first off before
we get into it.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, so this thing is very cheap. It's like under
fifty thousand dollars drive away and it basically has a
fragrance dispenser, So basically you can load whatever fragrance you
want in there and it will dispense all over you
while you're driving.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, Trevor's Cooper Born actually comes with it in built.
Last night's rain d and Beef Curry part you just
drive along? How's about that one? Tigo? Yeah? No, the
comments were amazing, Like you read those comments and they
sat like I could hear them as callers on like
Neil Mitchell's like talkback program, just like what's bloody going on?
(06:13):
Which pool You've lost me? Pooh? I assure him talk
about them.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
The cheery Tigo Ultra Absorbant temper and whenever the fact
showing he was talking about the schmellis and you should
porch the Chinese. He's gone down hill there the way
he did the thumbs up at the end of that video,
he should porch him.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, my favorite was can we test those fragrances for carcinogens?
Not what I'm suggesting the Chinese would cut corners or
falsify numbers to make something a beer better than it
really is. It's just the anti China sentiment and the
thing that I fight funny, Like, firstly, no one is
forcing you to buy this car, so just because it exists,
(07:01):
like people are just defended by it. And if you
have a look at the comparable like Toyota product that
has seven seats, it is double the price almost. So
what you want someone who can't afford to actually like
feed the family just got you gotta buy Toyota even
though it's massively overpriced.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's such an old way of thinking. It's such an
old way of thinking, like the struggling families that are, yeah,
just trying to put fucking food in their kid's mouth,
and you guys are rubbishing like a cheap car that's
finally on the road that can put seven people in
there late.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And the other thing that's kind of just crazy about
this situation as well. We saw when Perjo took like
twenty something thousand dollars out of the price of the
E two Double oh eight that if you have a
car that you're selling that has twenty thousand dollars of
margin in it, because obviously they're still making money on it,
it just shows you how much Toyota is ripping customers
off at the moment. Maybe they're not ripping them off,
(07:57):
but they are just making so much out of these cars.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
A lot of profit. Yeah, and it's been more happy
to pay that go for it. That is such a
jump too, isn't it a twenty grand?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, Like if you can take twenty grand, even Tesla
did it with Model Y it was seventy two at
its peak, it's now fifty five and they're still making money.
So if you can take almost twenty grand out of
a Tesla as well that's also made in China, well,
it just shows you how much money everyone else is
making off you.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
So they announce that price dribe. I mean, you jump
in a Pergo and it's like it's a nice car.
I think they look great, they feel great, they have
beautiful interior. They're very underpowered in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So if you can see the speeder, which I can't.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, but the problem is they've always been very expensive
for what they are. I think they're putting out a
great product, but I'm like, Jesus paint, you want how
much and you've got like a one point five in
this what are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And that's where the EV game has really leveled the
field because previously you used to have to be a
manufacturer of note to have a car that accelerates fast
and does all that sort of stuff, Whereas now anyone
can just go get and off the shelf electric motors
and batteries and you've got a car that can accelerate
fast like you've got a lot of other elements to it.
So I'm sort of exaggerating a bit there, but like,
(09:09):
it's not it's not like that situation where a one
and a half letter is just just you can look
at it and go, well, that's not a two leader
or a three leader or whatever. So I think the
game is going to be changing. So we actually did
a presentation at the double Ada, which is the Australian
Automotive Dealers Association.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Gee, that sounds fun, the Automotive Dealers Association.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
There was a lot of women in the room just
kidding a lot of men.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
So basically, did you tell those dealers that they're a
dying breed?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yes, Andrew still buys a fever bit of stuff from them.
What's Andrew still buys a febit of stuff from him?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Who's Andrew?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Okeith?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I got on that one cook?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So yeah, I got a barbecue out.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
He's up for a nice barbie.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So we had a slide up there that showed all
the Chinese brands that are coming. There were ten of
them that are going to be here in the next
six to twelve months.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
What are we looking at. We're looking at a few
of the new entries.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Let me read some of them out to you because
some of these, even me, as a car person in
the industry in the biz, hasn't actually heard of some
of these. So the one that's just around the corner
is Zeka. So they're launching two, which is a van
and a small car.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Are they Are they a derivative of MG.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
No, they're a derivative of go to my list here Ghily,
which is Volvo's parent company. So you've got Jack Motors
Jac they're about to launch a ute. You've got Smart,
which is now half owned by the Chinese. Are about
Smart have been around for a while, yeah, but now
owned by partly owned by China. Jku, which is a
(10:46):
luxury mediumsuv turned j Cuo's mate turn jus.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah yeah yeah, hold the mustard, hold the Master Crispy Noodles. Yeah,
I'll have the prawn Cracker. Complimental Management.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
That'll be grad x Peng, which there is a cream
for I think, oh yeah, she's a good woman. Leap Motor,
which has two cars coming sky well, which sounds like
a a robot that's going to take over the world.
Gak Motor, are you serious? Gack gack with a j
(11:18):
tour and you like this one deep Pal.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
What's it called deep Pal? Deepal.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So these are all just the ones that are like
six to twelve months away or so.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So if people think that just slagging off Chinese brands,
just don't buy them, it's like, well, sorry, they're cheap
and they are going to force out the manufacturers to
finally get with it on pricing. And stop just jacking
prices up constantly and unnecessarily.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Have they become they would they would now be the
biggest automotive producers in the world, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Good question. They are the biggest exporters and if you
have a look just in Australia alone, the sales. What
surprised me is over the past ten years or so,
the rate of sales of Chinese vehicles has just gone
absolutely through the roof. And compare that to the Koreans,
and the Koreans had I guess they had like a
(12:14):
bit of a slow rise but they finally got there
in the end. But the Chinese brands have just gone
through the roof in terms of how quickly they're they're
sort of coming to the market with their cars. And
we've seen a tenfold increase in the amount of cars
that they're selling over the past few years, so you know,
and they're just going to keep coming.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I think also like there's some that are entering the
market and they're putting an absolutely killer product. Some have
worked to do definitely, but some are And I'm not
just fanboying this, but like I was so impressed with
the BYD the Seal performance was just incredible, and obviously
the Seals Sorry, the Sea Line six is on its way,
(12:55):
which I still love that name. It sounds like a
it sounds like a boody sheep rided SeaWorld or something. No, Caleb,
you can't get your father's still on the Sea Lion six.
Sit down and have your fucking cheeseburger. And no, no, don't,
don't have the thick shake. No, not before you jump
(13:16):
on the Sea Lion six. You'll have a spiel. You
get home and have a creamy shit. No anyway, So
poor Caleb, poor Kaleb, bloody, Oh, poor Kale, to get
on the dolphin.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
He's lacked.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Jesus, don't get him on the dolphin. His mom took
her right and Jesus Christ that porpoise never returned. Anyway.
My point being that I genuinely believe what they're putting
to market is stuff that automatically deserves to be sitting
next to established brands, brands like Mazda and running the mill,
(13:49):
Toyotas and things like that. I think they're putting an
excellent product out there. So all these people rubbish in
Chinese cut like it. That's fine, carry on, so many
so much to choice from why why? Why get passionately
and agree about it?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And ironically they're sitting there on their iPhones, which was
assembled by some small child, probably in China. So just just.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Chill out, just chill anyway, that's all right? Hey, what
are you driving? This week's what's kind of?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
What is the HAPs? What are we driving?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
What have you got? Oh?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I got a big news. I canceled my Tesla Model
WI order. I thought to myself, was.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
This the one with the this is the facelift of
one too? Right?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
No, so facelifted one is still coming. And my car
had come to the end of its novated lease. And
I think previously we've spoken about how the values have
completely tanked, and basically my novaated lease was up in July,
and it was sort of around April April May that
I was like, I got to get rid of this
thing because a brand new one is now fifty five
(14:55):
and my residual was something like forty forty four to
forty five.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That's not bad.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, it's not great either, because everyone on the second
hand market had them listed for above fifty five. For
what is wrong with these idiots when you can just
go buy a brand new one. Why would anyone want
a secondhand one. So once they started realizing that, they
started tanking the prices, and I basically just got rid
of mine through our solo car service on our site.
Someone took it away for how much I owed on it.
(15:21):
But basically now you cannot get rid of them, so
there's a fire sale happening of model. Wise, a lot
of people bought the white one because they just wanted
the cheapest thing they could and there was just so
many listed. So I thought to myself, look at fifty
five getting a new novadd lease now is actually a
pretty good deal, because for fifty five grand, that car
is such good value for money. But I started sort
(15:43):
of having a bit more of a look at it
and novaded leasing companies, most of them are around the
fifteen percent comparison rate mark for a loan, which is
obscenely high even compared to an extortionate personal car loan.
Fifteen percent is outrageous.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
What they do is they bury all of their profits
in that and also management fees, so that you still
get a marginal tax benefit, but they gobble up pretty
much all of the actual benefit through these inflated interest rates.
So I thought to myself, look, I want to get
another model, why but I also want to try another EV.
I feel like I've owned Teslas now for five years
(16:22):
and I don't really want to just get stuck just
driving Teslas all the time.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
So you are going to go for another EV?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yes, okay, So can you see what your reaction is here?
So the Pugio e to just kidding, I wouldn't do that.
I'm getting a Ford Mustang Marquee. Now I will caveat
this by saying I'm not buying this car. I'm getting
the car from Ford for six months, so it's like
it's a long term like it is, so it obviously
(16:47):
means I won't be paying for it, But to me,
I will really want to see what it's actually like
to have another brand of EV. So I picked the
car up last week and already it's pissing me off.
Like basic stuff like the app is like light years
behind Tesla. That's probably one of the things I love
the most about Tesla. The app is just so good
(17:08):
to use, So that is beginning to annoy me. So
we'll see how it goes from here, and I'll give
regular updates. But I just really want to get a
better understanding of what it is like to own an
ev that is not a tesla, just to see what
that's like.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So I've got a bit of news to go on.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So I come on, come on down, you little daily
driving my little side dish. Go on.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yes, you got rid of the kd Lang, No, the
kd lang. The CUBR back is still there there if
you want a bloody buy it. Actually, can I say
before I reveal what I'm driving? When I bought that
car less than a year ago, right the dealer, I
(17:47):
think it was say fifty six, Right fifty six. It
was the XT Sport, so sort of mid range. He said,
keep it for like two years. You'll be able to
get rid of this for like fifty one fifty two. Wow. Interesting, Okay,
So I've gone to kind of have a look and
sort of price it on car sales. I'm like, oh
(18:10):
that have I got the right model?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I mean, did he lie to you?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
It's funny because I rang him up and I said
how much for trading? Like do you want to? Let's
do it?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Just you know when we chatted and you said you'd
you reckon?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Like, I mean, look, this is like it's actually it's
like less than twelve months now, and I mean it's
done less than ten thousand kilometers like single digits, pretty good,
you know, So thirty nine oh thirty nine oops? Oops,
all right okay? And I actually said to him, I said, oh, mate,
(18:49):
you told me keep this for two years you'll get
fifty two. What a fizzit that turned out to be?
And he's like, wow, you could probably get about forty
eight on the private market. It's like, you're still going
to offer me like thirty nine. So hold, let me
here's the thing less than twelve months ago. That was
a fifty six thousand dollars car.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
In fact, I'm going to check upthing. So what's your rego?
You're going to edit this bit out? Let's have a look. Yep,
super out back all will drive sport XT that's it. Okay.
So how many k's are?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Nine thousand and fifty?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeahs five hundred SA round out?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Okay, next, so okay, so a couple more questions here.
Car conditions. So service history, well, I mean it's complete, Yeah,
it's complete.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It's never even been taken into the ten thousand kilometers.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Service exterior condition poor fair or great. That's say, great
interior condition, poor fear or great, great mechanical condition poor
fear or great. Aside from the horrendous fuel economy.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Great components, all functioning, yep.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Okay, it doesn't pull as many chicks as I think
it's pulling the wrong card.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Okay, So according to our estimate, oh at depending on
the condition at the low end thirty two thousand, whoa,
and at the high end thirty seven seven to fourth.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Fuck off. I'm not now selling it to you.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Can I can I explain something to you. So the
reason it's less than what you would get on the
private market is because old mate needs to buy it.
So let's pretend he pays thirty seven for it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He'll paid thirty nine. He's already off in thirty nine. Y.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Let's pretend he pays thirty nine. He then needs to
get it cleaned checked, which is get a roadworthy done. Yeah,
and then he has to make some money off it.
So you want to be making ten, maybe twenty percent
off it. So by the time you add your twenty percent,
that is what he's going to be selling it to
a punter four, which is about fifty grand so the
whole reason, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Reckon he'll get fifty grand. I reckon he'd probably get
about Yeah, I reckon. If I sold it, I'd probably
at this point be happy with forty seven.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
But this is the thing, right, you have to list it,
you have to pay car sales the extortion and amount
that they want for it. They need to deal with
idiots who come and see it, test drive it and
then don't buy it, or idiots that just message you
is it still available?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, that's a marketplace. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
So the whole reason services like this exist so you
can get rid of it. And the reason I got
rid of mine. For what I did was because I
could see what was coming, which was this thing crashing.
So a lot of people just want to get rid
of their cars, and for me, all I did I
took some pictures of it, and then a truck turned
up and took it and that was it. So I
think that ultimately, if you do genuinely want to get
(21:32):
rid of it, you either have to go through the
hassle of selling it privately, which no one wants to do,
or you just take a hit on it and just
get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah. I mean, like for an extra eight thousand bucks,
I'll take the hit on. I'll just I'll sell it myself.
Do you know what I mean? It's a grand? A
grand is a grand? I mean you're looking at what
one hundred and fifty for.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
A car sales ad Oh, no, like four hundred? Is it?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Really?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
That's why it's such a waste of time listing on
car sales A while so expensive.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So yeah, look, there's probably a little bit of there's
probably a little bit of that, yeah at this point.
And like, plus, I'm in no real hurry to drive
it because I've got another car that I'm driving. You're
already so obviously with the fuel consumption issues, and obviously
I'm very concerned about the environ I have. I've made
(22:24):
the sweet cho go on, flick the sweech, I've gone
the ev path. Yes, you're already Genesis GV sixty. Oh
that's cute.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's cute.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Have you seen it? Seen it? Yeah, I've got it,
You've seen it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It's beautiful, it's got it's midnight blue and it's got
lovely sort of cream white interior. And do you know
what I love about it? At the most is the
little patchwork on the interior, on the leather interior, it's diamonds,
but they're g's. Some would say genesis. I'd say little
g forgot I. And you know what else I like
(23:03):
about it was when you park it, little crystal ball,
appeal crystal ball. So here's what I will say. Might
not you at first glance, I know what you're thinking.
Second second, and third glance, you're thinking, Wow, that's luxurious.
It's very opulent. It doesn't really suit my personality. I
(23:26):
like a fast car, you know, so as a daily
I can tell you right now, I do like and
I've always said this, I reckon like Eve for a
daily commuter is the best way to go. I just
I fucking I've driven Porsches in traffic before and it
was an absolute nightmare to own a Porsche as a
(23:46):
daily for me in Sydney traffic. So this is just
I can just fucking kick back, slide along. I feel
a bit luxurious. It feels nice, and you know the yeah,
the little cameras asah, oh.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
You you are trying to make this sound great.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You think I'm polishing a turd. I'm not. It's not
don't think.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I don't think it's a turd. I just think that
platform that is the worst car on that platform.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
No, yes, the worst.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I think it looks weird. And those cameras are just
diabolically bad. And that gearstick thing is the stupid yes.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Little circle, you don't like it? No, what I hang
on here?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I did that.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
If you go, if you went, say the Ionic five,
not the End, which is the greatest ev known to man,
but just the Ionic five. I mean that's the same
platform as a GV sixty, right yep, so you reckon
the GV sixty drives worse than the Ionic.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Just in terms of the looks. I just think it looks.
It just looks very weird. And yeah, just the gearstick
thing I don't love. And the mirrors, and the mirrors,
regardless of which car that is on. I never once
experienced digital mirrors that actually work. Please tell me didn't
buy it?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
No, no, no, no, okay, So look it's there's bad. It's
there for as long as I like, or until they
hear you mouth off bad things about it. So thanks
for that. Someone looks like I'm back in the ah. Look,
I say, look, and that's genuinely. They totally understand it.
(25:33):
For me, it's like it's a warts and all. It's
like I will say that the exterior of the car
is the thing I like the least. The inside I like.
Genuinely stand by it. I think it does feel great,
the little crystal bally circular thing. I think what yun
Day products do really well is they sort of switch
it up a bit in the Young Days where they
(25:54):
have the stalk. At the start, I didn't like the stork,
but I ended up really quite enjoying this stalk. I
thought it was fine. It makes sense for backwards. I think, ah,
this is just as fine as a middle thing. But
so far the little circular dials is not amazing.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well, the thing I'm confused by is they had to
make a point of difference, right, and they wanted to
make a luxurious kind of but while it's like, that
is storage space you could have had. And also that
platform supports the stalk, so just put it on a
stalk and figure out some other gimmick.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Excuse me, it has a crystal ball when it parks.
I'm driving around in a car like Liberachi. Frankly, it
goes with my glitter pads. Yes, my bumbless glitter pads
looks so so far, so good.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
It's got some first, just get this in quickly. It's
the first G spot you've hit in a while because
it's just on the seat and it's the G.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That's pretty good. It's hard to miss. Take the rest
of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I think that was enough joke for another six months.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It's just that you're really tapped down big there. Hit
the showers, big boy, quite literally. I'll follow you in.
I've got a genesis. You know what I will say though,
and generally mean it. It does. It does a few
things really well. By the way, the cameras as your
(27:28):
side mirrors, I didn't think I would get used to them,
but I'm getting I'm getting used to them.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Reverse parking, that's where I think they're the worst.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's a big it feels big to reverse.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, like those mirrors. They just don't work for reversing
the thing.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I okay. The one thing I'll say at the top
of the list. It beeps or like, I'll be a
foot away from a pole. And do you know I
had a taxi driver once and he actually got out
of his car. I didn't know what he was doing.
I was such an eadiot at the time. I didn't
really I wasn't really cultured like I am now. And
I was looking out the window like, what's he doing something?
(28:06):
Why does he keep looking under the car? What?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
What?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And then I was like, all right, you're right, And
then I realized he was having a prey. He wasn't
looking under the car.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
He was like, yeah, I think that's just a stupid
thing to be doing. Well, you've got a customer, but when.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You got to go, you go go. Have you ever
jumped in a car right that you've been looking forward
to for so long? And you're like, oh, give me
one example real quick, you.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Go yours first. I didn't even think about this.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Well, the very first we haven't reviewed properly an Alpha
product Alpha Romeo.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
That's because no one buys them FEV and especially that one.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, and I actually think Alpha products a beautiful the
do you call it? Do you say Julia or Gulia?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
The Julia Julia and the Stelvio look good, but that
Tinari looks I feel great.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I think the really, I think it's got a good bump. Look,
the lights look good when you turn them on. They
have that kind of shape. I think it's quite a
quite a nice looking suv and it certainly feels nice
on the inside. It does feel premium and you're like, oh,
this is the leather feels really good and just just
(29:32):
a little bit shit, just like just I can't. I
was driving along thinking what is it about this that
I really don't like? And the suspension, just the whole
feel of the car just didn't seem right at all.
The suspension was way off, like it just the whole
thing felt rigid, and I was I was so disappointed.
(29:52):
Another another car that I thought would blow my mind,
and it was just fine, are you ready for this?
I'm gonna get so much hate for saying this. I'm
just preparing for the onslaught of hate. Was the WRX
Club Spec?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Oh, yes, there is. It's not what it used to be.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
No, And like the Club Spec, I think it looks
pretty cool. It's got the big wing up the back,
it's got some bits and pieces, it's got some faux
carbon fiber on in the inside. They could have tuned
it a little better. They could have made it sound better.
It doesn't sound any different in my view to a
normal WRX. They're putting a premium on it, and there's
(30:31):
like they're fully going out of their way to say
how limited edition it is, and you can't buy it anywhere.
It's like I don't care though, Like they've got little
plates on there. Oh this is number five of one hundred.
I think there is only one hundred in Australia. I
was so I thought it would be so much better
than it was.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, it's one of those cars that just has something brilliant.
It's just super for you. Yeah, for me, I was
just having a bit of a think about this. It's
a bit of a backhanded compliment, but for me it
was the GWM Tank five hundred.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Now reason three hundred the other day. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
The reason I say that it was more just the
hybrid that was a bit shit. It had moments where
it really shone and excelled, but then the rest of
the time it was just so confused of itself and
didn't really know what it was doing. And it's a
shame because they have a V six available overseas that
would do really well here because the rest of the
specs really stack up nicely. The interior is amazing, like
(31:30):
the doesnt it is so good so yeah, it's one
of those ones where I was just like, I just
wish it was just a little bit better than this, But.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, a little bit. I think that was like lacking
refinement and a few bits definitely.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, not a huge amount, but it was just that
little bit that it needed to fix. So but yeah,
I don't know that the car market's interesting at the moment.
We've got this huge on slaughter of Chinese brands and
everywhere I go there are cars sitting around on dealer
lots and in storage like the done a lot of
airport trips recently in near Melbourne Airport. The storage yards
(32:03):
there Sydney as well, there are just cars sitting there.
And I think we're reaching a point where there's a
big glood of cars. And it's great if you're a
car buyer at the moment because it means that you
can pick up a good deal. Everyone is going to
be doing deals, but there is a bit of a
little bit of where do I want to use here.
There's a bit of falseness to those deals because if
(32:24):
you have a look at something like a ray of
four that's gone up like ten twenty thirty percent over
the past sort of five years, it's become a lot
more expensive and nothing has really changed. So when they
do a deal, and Toyto won't do that anytime soon,
But when a brand does a deal, you're not actually
really getting that much of a discount. You're just paying
less of an inflated price than you would have been otherwise.
(32:46):
So yeah, it's a funny old market at the moment.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, and I think we're about to be flooded with
a lot of choice, as you said, with the Chinese cars.
So I think we could even hit a situation where
the baseline of car I don't know what would call
it quality or is there going to be cars that
we just go Is there anything in the market that's
standing out that's just great, not that expensive, is just
(33:14):
above the line, because like it's now going to be well,
I don't know necessarily think it's going to be raised,
but there's certainly.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
The problem is now brands like Mitsubishi with the Triton,
they get lost now because the Trenton used to be
a value proposition and it's now become expensive more expensive.
The value proposition is now with the Chinese brands, which
there's more of coming in the dual cabute market. Absolutely,
the premium stuff is better than even the new Triton,
so you can't charge more for it. So you're just
in this middle ground where no one really has a
(33:43):
reason to buy you. So I think a lot of
brands are going to fall into that, and brands like
Citron and Persia, I mean, I think they are going
to be some of the first victims to all this stuff,
Asuzu as well. Like we've got all these new emissions
regulations coming next year and you have to sell electric
cars to offset the fines that you're going to get.
I assume it has no electric cars, they don't electrify anything.
(34:05):
So you're going to get to a point next year
where they're going to get these big fines that they
pass on to customers, and all of a sudden, the
thing that was actually a good value for money is
now very expensive.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
That's a good point. And they're well built. They're well
built cars as too. I think they've got it. They've
certainly got a place.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
And just on the Chinese cars again, you've got one
hundred and almost thirty car brands in China. Over half
of those started in the last ten years, so you
Australia has like sixty something car brands and it's one
of the most saturated markets in the world, so you're
going to have the potential for another ten or twenty
car brands to be here. I mean brands like Alfa Romeo.
(34:41):
Why would anyone buy one when you've got cheap options
with the Chinese premium stuff, with Toyota and the other brands.
It's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, I think I think the average family is going
to be looking at a lot of these cars and going, well,
hang on, that car is fifteen thousand dollars less than
that other car I'm looking at. Plus it's comes with
a seven year warranty. What's this bad stuff I'm hearing
about Chinese cars? I don't get it. I just drove it.
The average person isn't going to find like find the
(35:10):
you know, they could get in a tank three hundred
and get in a GEP Wrangler yep, and it's I
think for most people they'll just kind of going, well,
I can't really tell the difference.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Well, when it comes to money, people care less. If
you go the supermarket, if you've got an Australian made
product that's double the price at some point you're going
to go, Well, I want to support Australian made, but
I also want to eat and not be broke. So
I can see that in the car world's that's where
this is going to head. So it's interesting times.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I think we should wrap this up. Should we cue
the wrap up music and just put it in there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Go for it, go for a queue, all right.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So listen before we go. Here's what we've discovered about
each other today. You're driving a Ford Markeye. Is that
it staying a Markey? Why didn't you just take the
normal Mustang?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
They look great, by the way, because A it's not
electric and B it doesn't fit family things.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I what you can fit a kid in the back
of the eyes? I did.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
And also they keep delaying the new Mustake.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yes that's true, Yeah they do. Many of minds ordered
it and he's been pushed back heaps. I'm driving a
Genesis GB sixty and I'll say it like that every
time we talk about it. I'm going to say it
like this.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
The Genesis GB sixty. I drove it to my salon today.
Steven loves it. I love it more Genesis.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I'm keen to hear from anyone who's still listening to
this at this point. Would you buy China? You have
to finish, you have to do the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Genesis has to be the exact same every time. Makes
me moist every time I.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Drive it to the zelle.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
For the time I put my pop here pathlay into
the front seat. He's such a cheeky kulud cheeky bitch,
such a ch.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
An emotional. There's a cheek bitch.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
He's sniffing for.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
A bone, looking off as a bonus.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Would you buy a Chinese car? I'm genuinely curious. I
know a lot of people say they wouldn't, But if
you had to, would you buy a Chinese car? And
if not, why not contact at the Drivers Show dot com?
That are you? I don't think we're going to try
and commit to doing these a little more often.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Well, that's completely up to you contractually. Yes, there is,
there's your signature, and there is my gun sound to us.
See you next week. Everybody
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