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dumb cool, weird
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It's dumb cool, weird halloweenthis month and it's about to
get freaky.
Yeah, so we talked about nightof the living dead this previous
week, but now we're talkingabout dawn of the dead, which is
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one of nick's favorite movies,so I'll let Nick take it away,
all right.
As you may know, it's a classicmovie where these main
characters, peter Roger, stephenand White Bitch, go into the
mall to survive out the zombieapocalypse, and then they meet
Tom Savini and his gang ofhooligans Prior to this.
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We get to see what the guys aredoing way before, so we get a
nice little scene of a creepynews broadcast and then
house-to-house fighting to getrid of the zombies and the gang
members held up inside of theprojects.
And that was pretty cool.
Yeah, I mean when Peter shootsWillie right in the back after
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he blows people's brains outjust indiscriminately, going
batshit, insane, and they'relike willie's going batshit, and
nobody thinks, you know, we'regonna stop him.
No, they just let him goapartment to apartment blasting
people until peter just got getshim.
Yeah, I think any trap, though,when they knocked out that door
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in the basement and all thosezombies came flooding in, just
imagine how you would shit yourpants.
Oh yeah, absolutely, but it'sinteresting.
This is the first time I'veactually seen this movie.
Most of the time when me andNick watch a movie, I'm usually
showing him a movie that I'veseen before or it's a movie that
we both haven't seen.
But this is actually a twist.
For once this is a movie I'venever seen and Nick's seen this,
and so Nick, the whole time,was really excited when I was
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watching certain parts of it andI got to say it's a lot more
whimsical than I thought itwould be.
I honestly I forgot a lot ofthe whimsy but I loved it
because Roger and Peter yeah,they started off technically on
the wrong footing becauseRoger's part of Willie's group,
yeah, and then Peter shoots himand then they just meet up in
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the basement and they connect.
They're like bros and they'rewalking, they're running to the
mall with all the whimsicalmusic, all the whimsical mall
perspective.
This movie is definitely veryfascinating because I honestly
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expect there to be more peoplein it.
For some reason I thought theshopping mall would have seven
or eight people, but really itwas just four people.
And then the gang of bikers whodecide oh, I'm going to destroy
this mall and I'm going to tryto steal all the money and the
TVs and the jewelry and the cash, even though that shit probably
doesn't mean anything anymore.
You know, what was actuallyvery surprising is they didn't
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take the guns as much as theyshould have.
Like the gun store at the end,when they pan off and they play
the whimsical mall music again,when the end credits come in,
you know they show the zombiesjust hanging out in the mall
with it within the gun store andit's still full of guns and
ammunition.
At no point did they ever thinkto actually take the resources
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they need.
They also wasted a bunch of thefood by throwing pies and other
desserts and everything.
Yeah, honestly, I had nosympathy for those fucking
bandits.
They really I really had nosympathy for any of those
motherfuckers.
It's just, it made me very sickto my stomach seeing a bunch of
people during an apocalypse notworking together.
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I mean, I know that does happen, but you know it's weird
because this movie is basicallyjust long periods of whimsy and
then fight scenes and then longperiods of whimsy and we get the
whimsy and then we get anabrupt case of oh, this is a
horror movie, by the way, themusic will be whimsical and then
it'll go and all the bad musickicks in immediately.
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I do like how you pointed outthat there was a cameo from
fucking George A Romero and hiswife.
Oh, yeah, at the beginning whenthey're in the newsroom.
Yeah, yeah, he's just sittingthere smoking away.
Yeah, that's actually reallyfunny because he's not really
doing anything different than heprobably already was off camera
.
No, he was probably.
Remember he.
You also mentioned that he'slike he edited that movie when
he where the beginning creditswere moving in, so he was
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probably like puffing downcigarettes by the dozen.
He probably had like his nosefilled with cigarettes.
The thing is, I enjoyed watchingthis movie.
Didn't expect it to be fuckingtwo hours long.
Of course, there was a lot ofthe mall scenes that could have
been cut out or just condensedbecause, yeah, like you said,
after Roger dies especially, itjust goes stagnant.
Yeah, and then everybody getsreally annoyed and really bored.
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Yeah, but at the same time timeit's like you said, with the,
with the bikers coming in andstealing everything.
Right after they get out of thecity, they see the national
guard and the community bandingtogether and working together to
kill the zombies in theoutskirts of town.
But then you wonder at whatpoint did people decide we're
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going to live on the road likethat?
I mean, it's like you said, howlong does it take?
How are they?
I mean they are burning througha bunch of gas, but how long
until the gas just goes bad?
That's a good question.
I mean, it's the same questionI always had in the Walking Dead
, but they never really resolvedthat dead.
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But they never really resolvedthat because literally in the
walking dead you, it's not onlybeen five or ten years but
there's a big time skip whereit's been almost 15 years or
more and it just doesn't makelike any sense at all.
And the fact is, at least inthe walking dead the decay plays
into effect and those zombieswould have been a lot worse off
in the walking dead too, beingout in those elements like that.
Yup, I agree the.
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I think the biggest thing for mewatching this movie is I can
definitely see where a lot ofthe modern uh influences for
zombie movies come from in thismovie.
You know, aside from the firething you told me about with the
voodoo thing yeah, the lastmovie but I could see where a
lot of the zombie tropes arecoming in with this movie how
zombies are unnaturally strong,how they can just rip through
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flesh.
Oh yeah, like when uh roger waslike right in there and that
one chick just jammed her thumbinto his wound, I felt that that
pain, though Like just he'salready got this big bite inside
of there and she's just jammingher thumb inside of there, yeah
, and that's God, dude, thatwould really like freak me out,
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are you all right, percy?
Yeah, make sure you drink.
But yeah, from my perspective,this movie is one of those
things where I really enjoyedjust watching some of the makeup
effects they did in the late70s, also watching how they
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structured the movie.
And I think it's veryinteresting that Tom Savini was
in this movie.
Not only was he the makeupeffects guy for this movie, but
he was also acting in the movie.
And then George A Romero notonly wrote and directed this
movie, but he also was theeditor too.
It's funny, yeah.
And the thing is, tom Savinithis was not too long, probably
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after about 10 years, probablyafter he got home from Vietnam
from working combat camera.
So he had a lot of.
He got a lot of his inspiration, apparently from some of the
things that he saw in Dom.
Yeah, I can see that.
But overall I think that it's agood movie.
I like it.
I think it's very whimsicalDidn't expect that, which whimsy
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was strange for the setting.
I could tell the soundtrackplayed a little bit into the
late 60s sound like they hadfrom the original night of the
living dead.
I could tell they were startingto add a little bit more of a
modern soundtrack for it.
Once we get into day of thedead next week, I'm really gonna
talk heavily yeah, I'm gonna.
It's very dark.
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I'm gonna talk about howawesome that awesome.
That soundtrack for Day of theDead is Honestly a masterpiece
it is.
But one of the things I do thinkis that they at least give you
that sort of sense, even withinall the whimsy of this movie,
that there's no hope.
Yeah, pretty much.
I mean there is no hope.
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When you watch this movie.
It's very depressing, but theydo have their moments where it's
whimsical and happy, especiallywhen they're going around the
mall and just role playing,doing all these different things
, especially that scene wherethey're eating dinner and Peter
comes in and serves them food.
Yeah, it's like I'm going to bethe chef and I'm just going to
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go drink with Roger roger'sgrave right now.
Yeah, here's one for you, homie, because they buried, they
paired, roger in the fake uhplant um part of the mall where
the fucking water's running.
You know, since we're goingdown this route, right, let's go
down into the dumb, cool andthe weird here.
Yeah, what do you think was thedumbest part about this movie?
I think the dumbest part of thismovie was the fact that they
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were like let's stop at thisshopping mall and live here.
No, let's not try to go findgroups of other people to
survive with that.
Have a like-minded like us.
No, let's just stay at theshopping mall and potentially
risk ourselves getting fuckingmurdered because we don't know
what's in the shopping mall.
That was actually dumb, eventhough I know that's like a big
plot point of the movie.
Well, but here to go with that,the dumbest thing to me was the
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biker gang.
I mean, you're surviving on theroad, gas is scarce and you're
looting every other person'sthing.
Instead of just teaming up witha group of people Like're
saying, why not just work withpeople?
It could fortify the outerperimeter of the shopping mall
and turn into a major like baseof operations, but no, we're
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gonna loot the shopping mall.
Yep, that's what I thought wasdone.
No, I agree, that is fuckingdumb.
What I thought was really coolabout this movie was the squib
work and, you know, the blankwork with shooting with the guns
.
I thought like they did areally good job of that, and I
even think the zombie makeuplooked pretty good for the time,
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you know, yeah, no, and waspretty realistic.
The faces were completelydrained out.
Some of those people weredecaying.
I mean, even in the first one,they had decaying people, but
they were working with 1960seffects and black and white film
.
So, yeah, it was only as goodas it was going to get.
I personally think one of thethings that was cool, though,
was when you listened in thebackground is how they were
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talking about that.
You hear somebody say that,mention that this happened, this
they're continuing off threeweeks prior to being the night
of the living dead, so thatmeans that, in sort of the movie
universe, that this exists.
This is three weeks after theinitial inspection, even though
it was 10 years ago,chronologically, yeah, but they
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definitely worked around it aswell as they could.
Yeah, and I get that.
One of the things we need totalk about also that's cool is
it was pretty cool they hadaccess to a shopping mall.
Oh yeah, as a set, that musthave cost something.
I mean, maybe they got a reallygood deal on the mall I don't
really know, but it's reallycool that they were able to get
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that.
I think, from what I remember,that there was like a there.
The reason that they were ableto get the shopping mall was
because it was like during theholiday.
It was like a.
The reason that they were ableto get the shopping mall was
because it was like during theholiday.
It was like during the holidaysor like sometime past the
holidays.
It did say Christmas sale, yeah.
So I think what they were doingwas they were shooting at night
when the mall was closed.
Oh, that makes sense If Iremember watching a review years
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ago.
Also really cool thing actuallythat I want to bring up is Tom
Savini.
Those two kid zombies were TomSavini's niece and nephew and
that created a lot of outragefor people when Peter shot the
kid zombies.
But you know, I mean that waspart of the darkness of the film
.
Yep, I totally agree, that isvery dark.
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Let's move on to the weird.
So the weirdest part of thismovie for me was that fucking
Hispanic guy that kept checkinghis blood pressure.
Dude, I kept telling you, justwatch this guy, it's going to
blow your fucking mind.
Like, hey, holmes, let me justput this in here real quick.
He puts his arm in there, likeliterally getting surrounded
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right now, and you're like, oh,maybe this is a bad idea.
And now he can't get out.
Yeah, he's fucking stuck in theblood pressure cuff.
And then the blood pressurecomes back and it's oh, zero,
zero, zero.
So I like how it's warning himstay still, can't stay still.
Literally, the blood pressure,the pressure of the blood, is
getting leaked out of hisfucking arm.
I just didn't understand,though.
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Your blood pressure's gonna beraised because you're getting
shot at Yep.
But you know what else was weirdIs how they robbed that bank in
the mall.
They grabbed all that money.
I just think the biker wetalked about how they were dumb,
dumb, the biker gangs, butthey're fucking weird too.
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You literally have no nothingelse better to do but steal all
this shit.
That means nothing, literally,money that doesn't even mean
anything anymore.
There's no broadcast for theTVs.
You know what else is weird thegirl.
She was pregnant and she wasfucking drinking.
Oh God, that was hilarious,because that's the weirdest part
of the movie.
She's drinking champagne andwine throughout the whole movie
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and smoking cigaretteschain-smoking cigarettes the
whole time.
Yeah, it's, but she wants tokeep the baby.
Yeah, she wanted to keep thebaby.
God, that's so crazy to me.
I guess 1970s babies were alittle bit more resilient to the
alcohol and tobacco use oftheir parents.
Yeah, I guess so, but that'sbasically Dawn of the Dead.
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Dawn of the Dead is where a lotof your zombie tropes come from.
It's, I think, early beginnings, even more so than Night of the
Living Dead, and I personallyliked it my first time watching
it.
I'd recommend you watch it forpurposes of trying to see where
it all began.
It may be a little toowhimsical for some of you people
who like the darker shit, butnext week we're going to have
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Dawn, the Day of the Dead, andyou guys are going to be in for
a surprise for that, becausethat is a really fucking dark
movie.
It's where a lot of modernzombie movies get a lot of their
dark themes from, especiallythe walking dead.
So definitely stay tuned forthat.
Oh yeah, nick, you want to signus up?
Stay sexy, atlanta.
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