January 25, 2025 • 58 mins
Get ready to challenge the status quo of skincare as we welcome Danny, a renowned esthetician with over 35 years of experience, to the podcast. In our conversation, we explore the evolving landscape of skincare and dive into the anxiety surrounding aging. Join us as we question the necessity and safety of invasive procedures like Botox and fillers, and instead, uncover the benefits of a more natural approach to skincare. Discover how you can embrace aging gracefully while still seeking effective ways to delay its effects using organic skincare products. Don't miss this empowering discussion on achieving healthy, radiant skin without compromising your natural beauty.
In this thought-provoking episode, we delve into the concept of trauma-based skincare and challenge the traditional belief that damaging the skin can lead to healing benefits. With Danny's expertise, we examine the long-term impacts of aggressive treatments like microdermabrasion and microneedling, advocating for a "nourish to heal" philosophy. Uncover the contradictory messages from the skincare industry and learn why preserving and nurturing the skin's integrity is crucial for achieving a youthful glow naturally. Gain insights into specific ingredients and peptides that promote dermal health and discover the power of embracing a more holistic approach to skincare.
Join us as we explore natural methods for maintaining youthful skin and uncover the potential dangers of invasive procedures like fillers and Botox. Danny shares her expert insights on the detrimental effects of these treatments, including the loss of facial expressions and disrupted skin texture. We'll discuss the rising popularity of bison tallow in skincare and the benefits of building facial muscles through microcurrent devices and face yoga. Learn how to delay aging without compromising your natural beauty and discover the profound connection between emotional health and skin aging. Prepare to embrace a well-lived life and unlock the secrets to achieving healthy, radiant skin.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Women, us women.
It's just in our nature andit's what we've always done.
We've always done our hair,we've done our skin, we've done
our nails, and this goes wayback before medical doctors got
involved with all of this,because this is just what women
do all right.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Ladies and gentlemen, today's episode is with the
amazing danny now.
Danny has been a estheticianwell over 35 years.
She's phenomenal, and why Iwanted to get her on the show is
because I think, as women,we're all really just concerned
and not really used to aging asour mothers would, as our
grandmothers would.
There's a big concern now.
We are more focused on delayingaging and looking more
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beautiful and youthful, and it'svery understandable because
that is what the norm is now.
We're so scared of wrinkles.
There's so much anxiety aroundit.
However, there are so manyreally aggressive procedures
that people are taking on, suchas Botox and fillers and all
these lasers and real justtrauma to our skin that we're
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applying, whether it's skincareor lasers or chemical peels and
etc.
And why I wanted to bring ondanny's?
Because she has a very naturalapproach to aging and skin.
So the topic is delaying agingand how we can do that, what
skin products we can use to dothat and, honestly, how negative
is botox and fillers for ourface?
(01:41):
Is that just a myth or it'sreally honest and there's a
truthful evidence and sciencebehind it that Botox is bad for
our skin and fillers are bad forour skin and chemical peels are
bad for our skin.
So Danny and I really sit downand discuss that, and also what
skincare we can use organicallyto delay aging, because I think
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that's what we all want as women.
As much as we like to sit andtalk about how we like to age
gracefully which I'm a big fanof I love aging gracefully, but
at the same time, I really wantto know how we can delay it.
I think that's an importantscience that we all need to
learn.
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Hi Dani, how are you?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I'm good Hi.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Hi, it's so nice to have you on my show.
I'm very grateful and honoredto know you and thank you for
accepting my invitation fortoday's show.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Absolutely my favorite things.
Talk about skin.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I know right.
So I mean us women and men.
We're going to go insanealready with all this
information.
I want to kind of first bringup the difference between
estheticians and practitioners.
One thing that sticks out to meis you guys were I mean
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estheticians were taking care ofskin way before aesthetics were
introduced right To the world.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That's true.
I mean women, us women.
It's just in our nature andit's what we've always done.
We've always done our hair,we've done our skin, we've done
our nails, and this goes wayback before medical doctors got
involved with all of this,because this is just what women
do.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
That's right.
I think that one thing thatI've learned from following you,
from using your amazingskincare line, and also just the
way your approach is to skin,also just the way your approach
is to skin, the most importantthing is to nurture your skin.
That's what I've learned, butthere is this other side to it,
(04:58):
that taking care of your skin ispresented very differently, and
that's through all these lasers, morpheus.
There's these CO something,laser, there's all these like
harmful products, these chemicalpeels.
Are those truly an essentialfor our skin?
Because that's what we'rehearing.
We don't have a lot ofestheticians talking about
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nurturing our skin the holisticway, the traditional way.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, well, it's a whole conversation because you
know, trauma-based skincare andthat's what I'll call it.
It's something that's referringto the hermetic effect, where
if we give our skin a little bitof harm, it heals itself.
And that's what has to beredefined is we can't harm to
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heal our skin, although I dorealize that 98%, 99% of the
skincare industry operates onthis old belief and that all got
started in the 1900s with thefirst chemical peel and that's
what started this whole idea,because it was discovered that
our dermal layer could be, couldcompletely replace our
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epidermal layer if our epidermallayer was removed by this
chemical peel.
So that set into motion this,this whole idea that we have to
hurt our skin to get it toanti-age or to heal itself.
And then in the 1970s it wentinto dry to fix where we have to
dry out our sebaceous glands,dry out our there's too much oil
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, too much excess skin cells,and so that added another layer
of what we now know ascorrective skincare.
And that's very American inmany ways, where we've gone in
and have gone kind of overboardin this way of harming our skin
and drying it to fix it and whatestheticians know, to bring
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this back to what estheticiansdo like I've been in the field.
You know I got started when Iwas 19 years old, started
working actively with skin in myearly 20s, and estheticians are
actually seeing skin day in andday out over many years at a
time often family members, sowe're able to see how genetics
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play out.
We're able to see all thedifferent age groups.
I've seen many different incomelevels and in doing this, in
this combined 30 years, it'sbecome obvious and completely
apparent to me that when we hurtour skin by harming it with
chemical peels,microdermabrasion, microneedling
, anything that is inflammatory,this thins our dermal layer
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faster.
So this creates acceleratedaging for our skin.
And I know that this flies inthe face of what many medical
providers do, but in factthere's many, many more holistic
skincare providers of.
Even medical doctors werecalled corneotherapists, and
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it's this whole group of skinprofessionals that believe in
keeping our skin intact.
Corneo is our skin layer, isour, you know, our skin cells,
and so it's all about how do wekeep this intact for optimized
long-term skin health.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So there are no actual.
Honestly, I haven't found any.
I haven't found anyevidence-based or peer-reviewed
articles or studies that showthat Morpheus and these laser
and chemical peels are hurtingthe dermal layer and not really
delaying aging.
I haven't found any.
(08:31):
But what you're saying is thatestheticians see skin every day,
maybe like four to five clientsa day so you're able to see
that there actually is Right.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And it's very divided .
To be honest, like this is avery controversial topic and
what's funding?
A lot of research and it takesvery divided to be honest, like
this is a very controversialtopic't make sense for a lot of
the industry because it'soperating at.
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You know, only one or twopercent of the industry is
operating with this nourish toheal approach and so it doesn't
serve them.
And so that's what we see thatall clinical studies are all
funded by companies that areproving that agenda.
But we are able to measuredermal thickness and it's called
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angiogenesis, where we wantthis thickening of our dermal
layer.
It is measurable and there'sbeen two things that I have
found over the years thatactually delivers.
That we can talk about thatlater.
They're both patented, ofcourse, and that's what we're
looking for when it comes tonourish to heal skincare and
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it's also this nourish to healidea is it's mostly lip service,
like it's this idea that hasjust kind of Charlie Brown to
crop, like nourish to heal andit's just like this cliche you
hear in a lot of skincare andhonestly, it's lip service
unless you're actually using theingredients that are going to
build and promote thisangiogenesis and then have the
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other practices that go inalignment with that, because we
can reverse ourselves reallyquickly, like if we're using
these powerful ingredients,we're not using them correctly
and then we go out and wereverse it with getting
trauma-based skincare, lasers,chemical peels,
microdermabrasion and all that.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So the most important thing in delaying aging since
that's the topic is nurturingour dermal layer right, you're
right, that's one piece of thepuzzle and like that, that's
what I said.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It's topical dermal nutrients and there's a new
peptide that's out thatspecifically can build that
dermal thickness, and those arethe only two things that I've
ever said that.
But that also has to becombined.
So we're preserving and growingand, you know, keeping that
dermal mattress really thick sothat it keeps making new skin
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cells.
But our skin also has to behydrated, it has to have a
restored barrier and our skinhas this native capacity to
release, and that's what needsto also be brought in, you know,
needs to be activated withinour skin, and then we have to
just not be doing all of thethings that overexercise our
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skin and actually wear out ourskin.
So it's about magnifying ourdermal layer and then it's about
preserving what we have for aslong as possible.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You know what's interesting to me?
That I just literallyremembered and I'm laughing as
I'm talking to you about itbecause it's they promote all
these lasers like Morpheus andet cetera.
But then you also hear himsaying how important it is that
use this product.
It helps the dermal layer.
Those things conflict, it's socondescending.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
It's complete madness .
And I mean I stepped into thiswhen I was 19 and got really
confused and overwhelmed andthen I went to a set of even
more confused and overwhelmedand it's, it's complete madness
and insanity.
When you actually go througheverybody's protocols, because
you will find that they were,they are so contradictory and
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they negate each other and it'sand they negate each other and
it's.
It's just a form of mentalillness in my opinion.
And what emerged?
Yeah, I mean all these beautypractices of like peel, peel,
peel, harm, oh, and then you'reI actually have, years ago,
started calling it the bipolarapproach where you do all of
these things to your skin toharm it, all of these things
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I've listed out, and then youturn around and you're soothing
and you're nice to it and you dothings that are preserving and
nurturing and kind and gentle,and you're basically just
flip-flopping between those twostrategies.
And so it's very apparentexactly what you're saying to me
, to somebody who's like reallypaying attention and really
trying to get to the bottom ofit.
(13:02):
What emerged is what I call theregenerative skin process, and
it's my life's work and it's 30plus years of my time being very
intimate with skin and thisprocess that I've developed is
the antidote for the madness,shall we say.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So I love how you call it the bipolar era.
Is that what you called it forskin?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
approach?
Yeah, because that's that'sessentially what I was doing
after I left aesthetic schooland was trying to adhere to
corrective skincare protocolsthat I was taught, but it was
also conflicting with myholistic roots, and so it's like
this mishmash of insanity, andthat's what I find time and time
again when people come to me.
(13:48):
It's this, you know, completereworking and belief change and
return to simplicity of somecore values that have a
practical application.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, I agree with you 100%.
It's like now that we'retalking and getting more deeper,
deeper into it.
You know, it's like you usethese peels but then you go home
you use like all these likesoothing things to soothe it and
try to make it come.
It's like, you know, making achild super angry but then
giving it a lollipop liketriggering a kid, giving it a
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lollipop and that makes no senseto me and I'm so happy we're
talking about this.
Wow, this is amazing.
I do have a lot of questions.
I want to get through thembecause I think it's important
that you know my, my followershear this out.
So this topic is all basicallyaging.
You know, aging and how do wereally delay aging with
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holistically, naturally, and Ithink it's important for women
to know these.
So first topic is the skinhealth, dani.
What daily skincare practicesare most effective in
maintaining youthful skin andpreventing signs of aging?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Okay, so I'm a big proponent of minimal cleansing.
So a lot of people areover-cleansing their skin,
trying to remove clogged poresor to take away bad old skin
cells, and that's old thinking.
And so it's minimal cleansing,using a hydrating mist, using a
nutritive serum, which are thosetwo ingredients that I
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mentioned.
That you have ingredients that Imentioned, and then a barrier
restoration using a densemoisturizer to actually trap
that in, and a sunscreen withoutchemicals and saying no to
inflammatory practices.
And of course, that includessaying no to the astringent and
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the drying out practices, andthat would include essential
oils.
A lot of people think thatusing essential oils are natural
, but they're very drying forour skin.
I think there's just a fewobscure handful that couldn't be
used so on a daily basis, thatwould be my, that's my
recommendation.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
That's interesting.
So we have a minimal cleansing,which lots of people well, is
this also for women who wearmakeup?
The minimal cleansing goes forwomen who have makeup.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, I'm just using a gentle cleanser, very gentle
cleanser, if you have makeup onthat's plain and non-scented and
kind of boring if you will, butnot focusing on cleansing.
And if you don't have a lot ofmakeup or sunscreen on, you know
you just using warm watercleansing is completely
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effective.
So when I say minimal cleansing, it's like just not all never
using a cleanser in the morningand only using a gentle cleanser
when you have those things on.
Many people are sohyper-focused on cleansing their
skin and exfoliating their skinand those have gone overboard
to the detriment of thinning ourdermal layer faster, disabling
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our acid mantle we can talkabout that Like.
Those things do not, you know,contribute to daily wellness of
our skin?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
you know, contribute to daily wellness of our skin.
So we've been taught, with allthe reels out there, that
cleansing with an oil first andthen cleansing with a normal
cleanser is okay.
But what I'm learning from youis that the more minimal, the
better it is.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So when it comes to cleansing, yeah, and staying
away from acid cleansers, andlike those BHAs and those things
that exactly glycolic acid,salicylic acid, lactic acid.
Why are they harmful for theskin?
Because they dissolve the toplayer of our skin in one form or
another and it's exfoliationbased in that way where it's
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it's cleansing, yeah, in a waywhere it's just destroying the
top layer of our skin slowlyover time, and we don't need
that distraction for our skin.
Our skin, when it has access tothe nutrients, is making new
skin cells voluntarily,abundantly, and then we want to
keep our natural oils on ourskin intact, and so by
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over-cleansing, we're juststripping our own natural oils,
which takes our skin backwards,and we're also over exfoliating
and drying out our skin, whichtakes our skin backwards.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
You know, I'm going to add to this because I know
that when we talked a few monthsago, I brought up my mom's skin
.
Okay, Now she is and I and Iwant everyone to hear this
because it's not just my mom, Ithink it's many of our mothers
you know.
She's in her late 60s andminimal wrinkles.
(18:41):
Okay, Very firm, just soft,even beautiful looking skin and
I look at and my skin's not thatbad.
But I fell into the wholeproduct and this and that.
But when I'm looking at herskin, Dani, she does nothing to
her skin, it's just water.
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She doesn't put like all theseretinoids and retinols and
nothing Absolutely.
Even in the Soviet times whenwe were living in Armenia, there
was no such a thing as products.
Back then times when we wereliving in Armenia, there was no
such a thing as products.
Back then, Women had justlaundry soap to wash their face
with.
It was just a black soap,that's it.
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If that, so it kind of goeswith what you're saying, the
less you do, the more nurturingthe more healing your skin is
and that's what absolutely, andit's.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
It's a saying no to those things and then saying yes
to a few, very a few, of thesereally important things.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, that is so interesting.
Okay, second question how doesdiet influence aging?
I think this is so importantbecause we know we're all about
the sugars and the breads andthe spaghettis.
I mean, do, do.
Does food really play a role inaging?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
to body health and therefore skin health.
And our skin surfacely has amicrobiome as well, and this
I've often talked about the skin, soil, gut connection, like all
of these things are combined,but what we get, the microbiome
that we deserve.
So whatever foods we're eating,we're eating reflect that
directly, and I find that thebest diets include really high
quality animal proteins andcollagen and you know really
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these really dense foods becauseour bodies are animal bodies
and it recognizes thesenutrients and is able to make
repairs.
There is a lot of researchabout how, you know, vegetarians
and vegans just have morecomplications with scars and
recovering from surgery scars.
So I'm inclined to justencourage people to eat really
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high quality animal meats tobring that into their diet.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, I was just going to ask you, as somebody
who has over 30 years ofexperience, what do you notice?
The skin difference betweenperson who eats lots of animal
fats or good you know, densefoods, versus vegetarians and
vegans?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Wound repair.
So if there's a smallextraction spot that I that I
give, it's like immediate, youknow their skin repairs, whether
it's something that they theybump their knee or scrape their
foot or something, it's justthis our bodies have this
ability to just do thisimmediate wound repair, no
matter what it is.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Wow, and this is why let's get into the topic of
tallow it's.
It's such a huge thing on themarket right now.
And I actually I'm using thebison tallow you sent me.
I don't know what I can sayabout that, but it's like there
are no words to explain howphenomenal it is.
I think each person has to useit for them to see it on
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themselves.
Like it's made such a hugedifference on my skin.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, I've experimented with making animal
tallow moisturizers years ago Imean in my early 20s years ago
and I've used them off and onand I was really excited to see
it come back into mainstream.
And I put my moisturizertogether many years ago and it's
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now finally taking off witheverybody else, and for good
reason.
It smells kind of funky.
You get used to it.
But now I reason it smells kindof funky, you get used to it.
It's a, but now I mean it's ait's a sophisticated acquired
taste.
Now I I mean, I've always reallyappreciated it, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
No, it's, it's.
It's definitely not pleasant,but it goes away after like a
few minutes.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, and now I don't find it unpleasant at all, and
there's a lot of A, c and and Evitamins in tallow Not the type
that's going to build thatangiogenesis, but it still
matters to some degree.
And it also penetrates sodeeply into our skin, deeper
than any other.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Tallow.
Does really, dani?
Is there a difference betweenbison tallow and beef tallow?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
bison tallow is a very lean animal.
There's less animal, there'sless fat when it comes to bison,
so it's just.
And many people believe thatbison is just a more nutrient,
dense animal compared to cow.
So and it's just been a specialanimal to me, being from the
native Southwest.
So I mean there's differencesbut they're both wonderful and
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bison tallow is especiallyprecious because it takes a lot
more buffalo to render thetallow than beef.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, I mean, is there a result difference
between the bison tallow andbeef tallow?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
No, I don't think so.
I mean, I think it, just Idon't think that that would be
measurable.
It's just a preference.
I mean beef tends to be harder,sometimes harder to get or not
harder to get, but over farmed,and of course you always want to
get grass fed tallow, whetherit's from beef or from bison.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah.
Do you recommend any particularbrands for beef tallow for
people that are starting to getinto it or want to?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
You know, I mean this , have to get your.
I don't.
I couldn't say.
I worked through about five toseven different vendors because
it depends on season for my, formy, bison tallow, anyways, they
come in and out of season.
It's a commodity, so you haveto.
I have several differentvendors because it depends on
season for my, for my, bisontallow, anyways, they come in
and out of season.
It's a commodity, so you haveto.
I have several differentvendors that I work with and if
they're out I go to the next andI kind of go down my, go down
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the list.
Regenerative farming isbecoming more popular.
So I would say, find your localfarm who's doing regenerative
farming and go to them and askthem for tallow.
Go to your farmer's market inyour neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Wow, that's amazing.
And, by the way, if people areinterested in bison tallow, they
can contact you correct.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Well, I don't sell the tallow, I sell the
moisturizer.
It's called Nomad, my bisontallow moisturizer.
It's whipped and you can findthat on my website.
Awesome, yeah, that's the onethat's.
You can find that on my website.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, awesome.
Yeah, that's the one that I useand I'm obsessed with, okay,
dani, natural treatments.
So, since the topic is delayingaging, what are some natural
and non-invasive treatments thatyou recommend to reduce
wrinkles and produce morecollagen?
Well, yeah, so the question foryou right.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, this big.
There's this refrain that wehear in the skincare industry
all the time, when you seeproducts and ingredients and
just all of the services is thatit stimulates collagen and
elastin and, technically,anything that is trauma, any.
If you slap your skin, it,anything is a smack or a laser
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or a microneedling thattechnically creates collagen and
elastin.
And this is the rub.
However, even though it mightstimulate it through a trauma
event, it can't reclaim what washurt in that traumatic event.
And so there's thisjustification of what's going to
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stimulate collagen and elastinand to me, it's just, it's just
not worth it.
We have to.
We have to preserve what we'vebeen given through a
mineral-based sunscreen and bynot giving it these, um, giving
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it these trauma-based eventsthat destroy more than it
creates.
And I know that's hard to hear,because everything under the sun
and you hear that over and overthat it stimulates collagen
elastin.
And they'll say that, even whenyou get injections, oh, this is
stimulating collagen elastin.
So, that being said, the thingsthat actually build, not
collagen elastin, because wecan't that's measurable to any
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kind of degree that wouldactually create visually more
volume is we want to add muscleto our skin and that would be a
microcurrent device and that's.
There's many differentcompanies that are selling them.
It'd be too hard to go into allof that.
But microcurrent because itactually builds muscle, and and
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then also face yoga because thatbuilds muscle as well into the
face, and we can gain productsthat's going to get us to
feeling more lifted, and it'sthe face.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
What is the microcurrent?
Can you tell us about that?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So it's all technology.
It was invented many years agoto help stroke victims regain
muscle control, so there's a lotof research on it.
But it's a micro electricityjolt.
It's not you won't feel it assuch, but it stimulates the
muscle so that you're buildingmuscle tone.
And so it's a.
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It's a muscle one?
No, not at all.
It feels incredibly pleasant,it's can be very calming, and so
that will actually lift andtone and build volume into our
skin.
And even that, I will have tosay, can't compete with what
injections can do volumizinginjections visually.
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But those volumizing injectionsare not the kind of volume that
we want.
That volumizing is decreasingskin health, creating all sorts
of havoc in our skin.
But what we do have is thismicrocurrent and then face yoga
for volumizing our skin.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Have you seen like good results from microcurrent?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yes, and, and the thing is that you have to do it
a few times a week.
It's like going to the gymbecause, again, it's muscle Like
you can't.
You can't get muscle any otherway, by actually doing the thing
.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Wow, that's insane.
So it's good for wrinkles aswell then.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well, there's several , there's many.
The anatomy of a wrinkle isthere's superficial wrinkles
that are due to lack ofhydration and the lack of this
our skin being able to hold ontowater, and then there's deeper
wrinkles that have to do withthis collagen elastin loss over
time.
And so we have to go at go inboth ways to be able to affect
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wrinkles Like these.
Deeper wrinkles is all aboutsaying no to trauma-based
procedures and, you know,feeding your skin these dermal
nutrients so that you can get atleast get dermal thickness
happening and new skin cellshappening.
But it has a lot to do withoptimizing hydration with our
skin, which is a very specificlayering sequence which we first
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started talking about withdaily practices and not
subscribing to these dry to fixacne protocols which will
dehydrate our skin and you know,a lot of all of those acne
protocols will bring onpremature aging, sadly, will
bring on premature aging, sadly,you know.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Since we were talking about, I mean you brought up
injections a little bit and Iwant to bring this topic up.
What is this?
I mean is injections, thesefillers for the face, botox for
the face?
Is it really bad for?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
aging it is.
They do not increase skinhealth one bit.
They absolutely just don't yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Where do these fillers go?
So I was reading something Ican't oh my gosh, I wish I could
remember which article it was,but it was talking about how
fillers don't just dissolve,they go into your body.
They go into your skin is.
Have you heard about this?
What's your course?
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, tell usabout that.
(30:49):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it is.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I mean these things, these the Botox injections, the
volumizing injections.
They stretch soft skin tissuewhich then creates like, oh, you
have to do more, and they havea negative effect on the overall
ability of our skin toself-release.
So this I talked about thiswhen we, when we first got on
this native release capacity forour skin and all of these acne
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protocols and conventionalanti-aging protocols shut down
our skin's ability to actuallyrelease our own oil, and our own
oil can't make it to thesurface of our skin the way that
it's supposed to.
And so all of this subsurfacemicroclusters, you know, get
underneath our skin, create allsorts of problems for our skin
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and the injections directly shutthis down.
Every time our skin is inexperiences trauma through
microneedling or an injection,it creates a load of a
distraction of what it has todeal with.
It has to process it away, ithas to endure it, it has to
reduce the inflammation.
And when our skin is in thisstate of always having to deal
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with these things, it never andit's not supported in in the
ways that the skin harmonicsprotocols do.
It never gets to actually beingthe way that it's supposed to
be, you know, in the true agingdelay state, and so those, those
it disrupts.
It disrupts the way that skinis supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Um, what are some some of the negative results
from fillers and Botox thatyou've seen from your experience
?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Um, a lot, of, a lot of these subsurface micro
clusters underneath the skin.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I mean, are they visible to see on a woman's skin
?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Sometimes, it's like blackheads that are just
underneath the surface milia,m-i-l-i-a, milia clusters.
They disrupt the skin texture.
It's when people have thesejust constant breakouts, but
they never really go away.
And so it might kind of go away, but then the same place is
erupting again and again, sothat there's buckling of the
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skin.
When the skin gets overfilled,there's just a lackluster,
blotchy skin tone and even liketheir whole face.
You know, people lose theirfacial expressions and but
there's and there's also justlike an unevenness to this skin
and like an overstretched to theskin.
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And there's also atrophy wheremuscles can drop.
When there's a lot of Botox putin, muscles actually atrophy
and drop, when what microcurrentdoes is it lifts, it relifts
and tones the facial muscles.
So we're working activelyagainst this optimized, delayed
aging state, which is possibleby trying these toxic band-aids
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that are might create, you know,like from several feet away,
for a week or so, while, while,and then, and then that all
falls away and then we have skinthat's like really depressed,
it's exhausted, it's tired, it'sthirsty, it's hungry and you
know it's all.
It's filled with all this gunk.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I'm so basically what ?
What?
What I'm hearing you say isthat fillers stop your skin from
working from underneath, fromthe way that it's supposed to.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, so it's just that combined Right, that
combined, it's sort of all ofthese things together and it
might.
Sometimes people can never,never have gotten injections,
but their skin is alreadysuppressed in this native
release capacity because ofeverything else they're doing.
So it's just there's thisonslaught of, like you know,
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death by a thousand cuts, in away, all combined that create
this.
And sometimes it's just I'vehad people come to me where they
had one really intensemicroneedling procedure and that
was all it took for their skinto go over the cliff and have
hyperpigmentation issues neverbe the same in so many ways.
(35:07):
And we've had to get back onskin reclamation protocols
that's what I said, the skinharmonics protocols.
Like there's a way to interveneand reverse and turn all of
this around so that we can go tothat final destination of
delayed aging and we all wantdelayed aging.
Like that's where we all wantto go and there's just so much
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more that we can do to get there.
Better now, especially with youknow, my years of experience
with having taken a lot of wrongturns and have had to find out
the hard way about a lot ofthings- yeah, you know what?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I think it's such an essential to teach younger girls
the importance of reallynurturing your skin the proper
way, versus you know how manygirls do you see at Sephora
buying retinols and retinoidsand all these really, really
harmful products where I thinkthey need to be taught, maybe in
schools too, or by theirmothers?
(36:06):
You know eating animal fat andusing all these?
You know exercising hydratingsunscreen?
I wish that I was taught thesethings when I was younger.
You know it's.
I think it's important, but nowit's like 20 year olds getting
Botox because it's consideredpreventative.
What, yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, yeah, there's a fixation on volume and wrinkles
in a way that doesn't serve us,where the fixation, in my
estimate, would be to focus onhydration, barrier restoration,
allowing our skin this releasecapacity, deep pore cleansing
sessions, abstaining fromtrauma-based procedures and
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using a mineral-based sunscreen.
Like, yeah, our skin does havea love language, like it really
does, and there is a way to getback on track.
But again, I'm just one personin this sea of people, of
companies, this multi-billiondollar industry, and so it's.
(37:09):
It's a hard.
The right information can bevery hard to access.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It is, and you know when you look at the world of
you know estheticians andpractitioners, it's just as I
said in the beginning like,aesthetic estheticians don't
have that voice.
We don't listen to you guys.
We don't because everythingelse is so loud.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
You know, like our hierarchy, like my place in the
industry, is very low, becausewe have, like, the medical
doctors here and then theregistered nurses, and then we
have the different levels ofestheticians, depending on who
they're working for medicalestheticians and and whatnot,
and so, yeah, there's, there's awhole hierarchy, for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, but again, as I said, you guys were doing this
way way before any doctors werearound to do all these like
traumatic skincare stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
you know you guys are nurturing with rosewater and
carrots and you know, and thenwe and then we go to school and
we get you know, taught intoother ways and I've I've stayed
independent all these years.
So I've went and I've studiedand I've looked at a lot of
different things and havepracticed a lot.
But what emerged about 15 plusyears ago was this methodology
(38:29):
that I practice now and justdon't look back from Like I've
stayed independent.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, I'm gonna ask you what made you stay
independent, because I do hearyou talk about your view on how
and I love it because it's avery natural approach but with
all the confusion and all thisinformation, what allowed you
what was like the, the pointwhere you're like, uh, this
doesn't make sense.
Like I, I don't like the waythey're approaching skin.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, I mean, I got really depressed and angry and I
wanted to just like shut down.
Yeah, I went through a wholedark night of the soul and
wanted to quit.
And well, because it was just,I couldn't figure it out and I
had spent all this money I had,it was in like up over my head
and and was like this is nowhereand I don't feel like I'm
(39:18):
helping anybody's skin, and so Ijust showed up at work.
Anyways, I had opened up theskin sanctuary of Taos in Taos,
new Mexico, and I couldn't getout of any of my financial
commitments and so I just kindof showed up day after day and
slowly started to figure it outand I guess I'd have somebody
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would have to analyze myastrological, my astrology chart
as to why I stayed with it.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I think, I think it's great that you did.
I mean, and I'm saying this,and we're going to get into the
products that you have, becausethey're very important and I
want everyone to know about them.
I mean, I've used them and I'veseen what they do, so it's
important, but we're going toget to that.
So we talked about the yoga,the face yoga.
(40:10):
That was really important.
Um, is that something that wecan do at home?
By the way?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I mean, there's so many people doing good face yoga
, I just get on YouTube and justit's yeah, it's free, it just
it's the time, right, it's thetime and dedication to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
It is a time, Um, Danny, I wanted to talk about
sunscreens a little bit, sothere is a little.
It is a little bit of acontroversial topic because
there's many people who say thatthey have their skin has been
damaged from sunscreens.
Are sunscreens truly anessential in our life?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Well, nobody should be using a chemical sunscreen
because they are indeed toxic.
What is a chemical sunscreenLike benzoin?
There's a whole list ofingredients.
You can Google them where they.
I did a whole blog on itactually.
But yeah, chemical sunscreensjust like should not be marketed
, they should not be sold.
(41:05):
Yet zinc oxide the mineralsunscreens are, and we should be
covering our face.
We shouldn't be covering ourwhole body with sunscreen all
the time, because we do needvitamin D synthesis, but high
exposure areas our face, ourneck, our hands absolutely put
some mineral sunscreen on anduse the rest of your body to
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synthesize the vitamin D.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
What is it?
So you were saying use amineral sunscreen.
Does that mean that it doesn'thave the chemicals in it?
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Correct, correct does that mean that it doesn't have
the chemicals in that?
Correct, yeah, and sometimesthey're both.
But you want to get one with it.
Has the, the zinc oxide ortitanium dioxide, just the ones
that have the mineral, thephysical blockers.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
If a person doesn't use sunscreen um, is that going
to increase aging faster?
Well, what is it?
How does a sun age our?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
skin.
It takes away our collagenelastin, our very precious
inborn volume.
That collagen elastin mattressit does diminish it faster.
Oh my goodness that makes suchsense.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Oh my God.
Oh, let's see when are we at,danny.
Hmm, I have so many questions,I don't know which one is like
essential or Okay, so I thinkthis one's a really cool one the
mind and body connection.
So how does emotional health ormindfulness play a role in the
appearance of aging skin?
(42:35):
Cause we're all stressed.
So how do you stress, you know,age, or age us?
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Well, how does that work, I mean stress, is the
fastest ager, and I mean we do.
We've heard this.
I've heard this ever since I asa child, that aging is a state
of mind, and it's absolutelytrue.
There is a realm where there isno aging and it's us, you know,
in direct communion withdivinity and that something that
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there's a part of our soulsthat just never age, is
completely timeless, and that isa hundred percent true.
And, like I mentioned earlier,there is a love language that
our skin has and that our wholebody has, and it is knowing
right practices.
It boils down to beliefs.
(43:26):
Our beliefs drive our patternsand if we have beliefs that are
in alignment with magnifying andpreserving life, then we will
be doing those actionable thingsevery day that are going to
take us to this delayed agingstate.
And this is where we have to.
The skin harmonics protocols isa complete reworking of our
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deepest beliefs about our skinthat we no longer have to harm
our skin to heal it.
That we don't have to scrubaway bad skin cells.
That we don longer have to harmour skin to heal it.
That we don't have to scrubaway bad skin cells.
That we don't have to overcleanse and exfoliate our skin
to clean it Like.
There's these very deep beliefsthat therefore create these
patterns that are life positiveand deliver us towards this
(44:12):
delayed aging state.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, you know, the unfortunate thing about life is
that it's it's not all rainbowsand butterflies.
It's.
It's really hard for a lot ofpeople and when I, when I look
at life and I look at you knowthe the different, the different
times.
Um, it's impossible to not bestressed, it's impossible to be
(44:36):
happy all the time and eathealthy all the time, stay
hydrated all the time.
You know we're humans, but whyI'm saying this is because
wrinkles are not really acceptedanymore and and these things
are impossible to kind of jumpover all these stressors.
And you know the air and allthese pollutions.
(44:56):
What happened that wrinkles arereally not accepted anymore?
It's like you see somebody whohas wrinkles or doesn't want to
do Botox.
We look at them like they're analien from another planet.
Aging is gone, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
I mean it just depends on what circles we work
in and live in, because there'sa lot of places I think I mean a
lot of Americans get caught upin these little tiny micro
bubbles of culture and, you know, clicks and fail to see the
rest of the world.
Our relationship with aging,that has to change and it's very
(45:36):
personal, it's very private,it's very deep, it's very
spiritual.
And in that relationship withaging, what I've come to know is
that I mean we're going to getwrinkles.
Like, of course we're going toget wrinkles.
It's just how can we?
Our physical bodies are goingto age.
We can't stop that.
(45:56):
We want that delayed aging andat the end of 60, 70, 80, 90
years old, we just want to glow.
A well-lived life will have aface that tells a story and
there will be wrinkles.
If you have laughed, if youhave cried, if you have lived
your life, there will bewrinkles.
And I've come, I've come toknow, I mean, a lot of my older
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clients and, as I'm turning intoone of my older clients, like I
, these wrinkles are beautiful.
We just have to keep feedingthem, hydrating them, supporting
them and getting getting thatsmooth texture and that overall
glow like that that we canmaintain till we're a hundred
plus years old.
It's, it's that worn out skin,the rough texture and that
(46:44):
blondness.
That's that doesn't have to be,that can be completely
reconciled.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, I think I don't know.
It's just women and I.
What you just said is sobeautiful, you know it does your
wrinkles do tell a story.
That's beautiful.
Why are we so scared?
Just women, and what you justsaid is so beautiful, you know,
it does your wrinkles do tell astory.
That's beautiful.
Why are we so scared as women,and some men too?
Men are falling into this too.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, I think it's an American kind of mental sick
culture where we're fixating inthese ways that are not healthy
for our wellness.
It's about we have to redo ourwhole lives.
We have to find ways to livethat structurally support us to
(47:26):
where we're not overworking,we're not driving a million
hours in traffic.
You know that we have torebuild our lives in a way that
they are wellness andsustainable, and that's what
we're all.
That's what we're all doing.
All the good people I know areworking towards, you know,
simplicity in their lives,towards family, these um health
(47:50):
and nutrition in these ways.
That isn't like Disney world,like you know you don't have to
have Disney world happening andcomplicated things to have this,
this very deep way ofsatisfaction and wellness in our
lives.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That's so true.
I love that, danny.
What are the main products withpeople that want to age
gracefully and do itholistically?
What are?
I know we talked about thecleansing, but what are the
essential products they need touse to keep their skin hydrated
and also for glowing?
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, so I have three different what I call origin
sets and it's a set of a mist, aserum and a moisturizer.
And there's three becausethere's different doses of the
dermal nutrients.
Our skin does have an appetite,has different appetites for the
dermal nutrients.
So the Balance Origin Set isfor somebody that has very
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sensitive skin, reactive skin,and then the Fortify Origin Set
is where most people would get.
It's just your really fantastichydrator, your dermal nutrient
serum, and then a moisturizer.
The Feast Origin Set is alittle bit stronger, where it
has a little more correctivepower to get new skin cells to
the surface, for delayed agingand to correct acne.
(49:08):
So those the Balance, Fortifyand Feast Origin Sets are the
place to start.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
I know that I've been using your products for about
two months now and I'm in lovewith them, but I talked to you
about retinoids and retinol andyou said Feast, correct, fortify
and Feast.
Yeah, this is the serum thatI'm using.
I believe, and I read on there,that it had carrot in there,
(49:37):
and I think you had mentionedthat carrot plays a role of a
retinoid.
Is that correct?
Can you tell us?
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Well, it can be a source of where retinols come
from, but the dermal nutrientsthat I've been referring to is a
form of vitamin A calledretinaldehyde, and these are
patented with liposomal delivery.
So it's like what I think Itold you the Tesla of vitamin A.
It's like not our mama'sretinol and without the sun
(50:04):
sensitizing effects associatedwith traditional retinol,
because those can make retinolscan be very tricky, in that way
(50:28):
that if you don't get the dosejust right, that it creates the
sun sensitivity and inflammation, which is inflammation, like
that's what actually ages people, and inflammation, which is
inflammation, like that's whatactually ages people.
So, with these dermal nutrients, with these retinal to hide
liposomal delivery, we're ableto get this deep nutrition
without having to have wait forthat other shoe to drop.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
I want to talk about Lamina, okay, because she has
changed my skin, my world.
It's incredibly unique.
It's not your typicalmoisturizer where you can just
dive into and just apply you.
It's very hard, you guys.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
I want you to.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
I want everybody to listen because this, I think for
me, I know I love all yourproducts, but Lamina, is it just
it.
It's so special and I've toldyou that so many times and I'm
not tired of telling you it'svery special.
How did you?
Because it's rock hard and youhave to kind of warm it up and
(51:29):
then it's yeah, it's a veryradical.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, it's a very radical product and consumers
have been taught over the yearsthat a moisturizer should go in,
and then you our skin, and itprevents water loss, like it's a
saran wrap, if you will, or aroof or a lid that actually
(52:03):
prevents water from escaping ourskin.
And the word that is used isbarrier restoration.
So this is a medical barrierrestoration product and I just I
formulated it before COVID andI just kept making it all the
prototypes no more dense, moredense, more dense and realize
(52:24):
that if the product could becompletely liquefied by friction
in the palm of our hand andthen applied, it creates almost
like this waterproof barrier.
It's like a Vaseline, but it'swith better ingredients,
obviously, and it's even moredense, so it creates this like
really thin lipid seal.
(52:48):
Yeah, on the skin lamina.
I love the way you said it,though.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
I said it in Armenian .
Well, I'll take that.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
And it's instant barrier restoration.
So this supports our skin'snatural acid mantle and our acid
mantle is our own natural oils,mixed with our own, a little
bit of our sweat, that createthe microbiome on our skin.
And the anti-aging conventionalprotocols and acne protocols
that are conventional completelyannihilate our acid mantle on a
(53:22):
daily basis.
And so going back in andsupporting it and refortifying
and building and keeping thisreally beautiful, you know acid
mantle happening in our skin, it.
It creates like no dehydrationlines on our skin, our skin oh
my gosh, none none my skin.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I put lamina on at night.
I wake up in the morningglowing, glowing, danny.
My skin loves her I do not Imean, she is obsessed with her
and I will never literally Idon't have a single any other
moisturizer but your Bicentelloand Lamina.
(54:05):
I don't.
I love them both so much I do.
You're a genius.
Has anyone ever told you thatyou're a genius, dani?
What advice, what skincareadvice, do you give women who do
want to age naturally andgracefully?
Speaker 1 (54:28):
What's a few advice that you would provide for women
like that, yeah, I mean just togo along with what we've been
saying is learn about thesedermal nutrients and the
peptides and sandwich them withthe mist and the moisturizer and
learn and become empowered andto say no to these conventional,
(54:50):
this conventional way offeeling like you have to laser
your skin and then learn aboutmicrocurrent and face yoga and
there's acupuncture, there'sfacial massage, like there's a
whole list of things that arethat are so supportive for for
(55:11):
aging delay.
And I want to say that it thiswould be honestly for anybody
who wanted aging delay, youwouldn't necessarily like people
think that if you go aboutholistic aging delay, it's sort
of the sissy way and the lesspowerful way of doing anti-aging
.
And what I've come to know isjust not true.
(55:33):
I'm knowing what I know andseeing what I've seen, it's the
most effective way to arrive ataging delay.
So even if you had a lot ofmoney and a lot of time on your
hands and you were going to bedoing all of these procedures,
these, these skin getsover-procedured and skin
accelerates and it's aging.
(55:54):
So so it's just to becomeempowered and, you know, get
good knowledge.
I have a book that I wrote therelearning skincare the story of
skin in a new way.
It gets a lot of listens onYouTube.
It's 90 minute, you know easybreezy, listen and you know,
just get access to newinformation that might be
(56:14):
outside of the media bubble,that you might be in with your
medical spa mailing list and allof the normal rigmarole, all
the Charlie Brown want, want ofall the same things that every
place is like rolling outretinols, chemical peels, you
know, and benzoyl peroxide, likethere are other ways of doing
(56:39):
things.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
I love that.
I absolutely adore how you saidlearn more, give yourself the
knowledge and the education,because it is a blessing when
you don't.
You fall into this.
Let me go and do this.
Let me go and do that becauseit's everywhere and everyone
else is doing it.
That's called questioningauthority.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
We don't know what we don't know, and so we have to
be willing to find out what wedon't know, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
I love that, Dani.
Thank you so much.
Is there anything else you'dlike to add for us to know about
?
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Well, I'm excited.
I have a new app that peoplecan access free information from
.
There's four oh, it's skinharmonics.
I'll have to put it in.
I'll.
I'll put it in there, yeah, andit's free and it gives some
really great information.
And I also have six differentskin courses too, for I have one
(57:37):
for acne, for menopause, forsensitive skin, I have one for
the possible precursor lesionsand I have one for outdoor skin.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
So in all of the 36 videos at people's fingertips,
yes, and I'm going to link allof that for anyone that wants it
.
I highly recommend the book,though.
It's phenomenal.
I love how you just explainedwhat has worked for many, many
years.
Before.
It was kind of shut down in away, but yes, definitely I'll
(58:09):
link everything.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
Thank you, guys, for tuning in.
And Dani, thank you so much forall the beautiful information.
I appreciate you and I'lldefinitely link where everyone
can find you.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
My pleasure.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
Thank you so much.
Women, us women.
It's just in our nature andit's what we've always done.
We've always done our hair,we've done our skin, we've done
our nails, and this goes wayback before medical doctors got
involved with all of this,because this is just what women
do all right.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Ladies and gentlemen, today's episode is with the
amazing danny now.
Danny has been a estheticianwell over 35 years.
She's phenomenal, and why Iwanted to get her on the show is
because I think, as women,we're all really just concerned
and not really used to aging asour mothers would, as our
grandmothers would.
There's a big concern now.
We are more focused on delayingaging and looking more
(00:57):
beautiful and youthful, and it'svery understandable because
that is what the norm is now.
We're so scared of wrinkles.
There's so much anxiety aroundit.
However, there are so manyreally aggressive procedures
that people are taking on, suchas Botox and fillers and all
these lasers and real justtrauma to our skin that we're
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applying, whether it's skincareor lasers or chemical peels and
etc.
And why I wanted to bring ondanny's?
Because she has a very naturalapproach to aging and skin.
So the topic is delaying agingand how we can do that, what
skin products we can use to dothat and, honestly, how negative
is botox and fillers for ourface?
(01:41):
Is that just a myth or it'sreally honest and there's a
truthful evidence and sciencebehind it that Botox is bad for
our skin and fillers are bad forour skin and chemical peels are
bad for our skin.
So Danny and I really sit downand discuss that, and also what
skincare we can use organicallyto delay aging, because I think
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that's what we all want as women.
As much as we like to sit andtalk about how we like to age
gracefully which I'm a big fanof I love aging gracefully, but
at the same time, I really wantto know how we can delay it.
I think that's an importantscience that we all need to
learn.
So enjoy this episode.
But before you start, Igenuinely want to introduce you
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Hi Dani, how are you?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I'm good Hi.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Hi, it's so nice to have you on my show.
I'm very grateful and honoredto know you and thank you for
accepting my invitation fortoday's show.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Absolutely my favorite things.
Talk about skin.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I know right.
So I mean us women and men.
We're going to go insanealready with all this
information.
I want to kind of first bringup the difference between
estheticians and practitioners.
One thing that sticks out to meis you guys were I mean
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estheticians were taking care ofskin way before aesthetics were
introduced right To the world.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That's true.
I mean women, us women.
It's just in our nature andit's what we've always done.
We've always done our hair,we've done our skin, we've done
our nails, and this goes wayback before medical doctors got
involved with all of this,because this is just what women
do.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
That's right.
I think that one thing thatI've learned from following you,
from using your amazingskincare line, and also just the
way your approach is to skin,also just the way your approach
is to skin, the most importantthing is to nurture your skin.
That's what I've learned, butthere is this other side to it,
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that taking care of your skin ispresented very differently, and
that's through all these lasers, morpheus.
There's these CO something,laser, there's all these like
harmful products, these chemicalpeels.
Are those truly an essentialfor our skin?
Because that's what we'rehearing.
We don't have a lot ofestheticians talking about
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nurturing our skin the holisticway, the traditional way.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, well, it's a whole conversation because you
know, trauma-based skincare andthat's what I'll call it.
It's something that's referringto the hermetic effect, where
if we give our skin a little bitof harm, it heals itself.
And that's what has to beredefined is we can't harm to
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heal our skin, although I dorealize that 98%, 99% of the
skincare industry operates onthis old belief and that all got
started in the 1900s with thefirst chemical peel and that's
what started this whole idea,because it was discovered that
our dermal layer could be, couldcompletely replace our
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epidermal layer if our epidermallayer was removed by this
chemical peel.
So that set into motion this,this whole idea that we have to
hurt our skin to get it toanti-age or to heal itself.
And then in the 1970s it wentinto dry to fix where we have to
dry out our sebaceous glands,dry out our there's too much oil
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, too much excess skin cells,and so that added another layer
of what we now know ascorrective skincare.
And that's very American inmany ways, where we've gone in
and have gone kind of overboardin this way of harming our skin
and drying it to fix it and whatestheticians know, to bring
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this back to what estheticiansdo like I've been in the field.
You know I got started when Iwas 19 years old, started
working actively with skin in myearly 20s, and estheticians are
actually seeing skin day in andday out over many years at a
time often family members, sowe're able to see how genetics
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play out.
We're able to see all thedifferent age groups.
I've seen many different incomelevels and in doing this, in
this combined 30 years, it'sbecome obvious and completely
apparent to me that when we hurtour skin by harming it with
chemical peels,microdermabrasion, microneedling
, anything that is inflammatory,this thins our dermal layer
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faster.
So this creates acceleratedaging for our skin.
And I know that this flies inthe face of what many medical
providers do, but in factthere's many, many more holistic
skincare providers of.
Even medical doctors werecalled corneotherapists, and
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it's this whole group of skinprofessionals that believe in
keeping our skin intact.
Corneo is our skin layer, isour, you know, our skin cells,
and so it's all about how do wekeep this intact for optimized
long-term skin health.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So there are no actual.
Honestly, I haven't found any.
I haven't found anyevidence-based or peer-reviewed
articles or studies that showthat Morpheus and these laser
and chemical peels are hurtingthe dermal layer and not really
delaying aging.
I haven't found any.
(08:31):
But what you're saying is thatestheticians see skin every day,
maybe like four to five clientsa day so you're able to see
that there actually is Right.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And it's very divided .
To be honest, like this is avery controversial topic and
what's funding?
A lot of research and it takesvery divided to be honest, like
this is a very controversialtopic't make sense for a lot of
the industry because it'soperating at.
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You know, only one or twopercent of the industry is
operating with this nourish toheal approach and so it doesn't
serve them.
And so that's what we see thatall clinical studies are all
funded by companies that areproving that agenda.
But we are able to measuredermal thickness and it's called
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angiogenesis, where we wantthis thickening of our dermal
layer.
It is measurable and there'sbeen two things that I have
found over the years thatactually delivers.
That we can talk about thatlater.
They're both patented, ofcourse, and that's what we're
looking for when it comes tonourish to heal skincare and
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it's also this nourish to healidea is it's mostly lip service,
like it's this idea that hasjust kind of Charlie Brown to
crop, like nourish to heal andit's just like this cliche you
hear in a lot of skincare andhonestly, it's lip service
unless you're actually using theingredients that are going to
build and promote thisangiogenesis and then have the
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other practices that go inalignment with that, because we
can reverse ourselves reallyquickly, like if we're using
these powerful ingredients,we're not using them correctly
and then we go out and wereverse it with getting
trauma-based skincare, lasers,chemical peels,
microdermabrasion and all that.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So the most important thing in delaying aging since
that's the topic is nurturingour dermal layer right, you're
right, that's one piece of thepuzzle and like that, that's
what I said.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It's topical dermal nutrients and there's a new
peptide that's out thatspecifically can build that
dermal thickness, and those arethe only two things that I've
ever said that.
But that also has to becombined.
So we're preserving and growingand, you know, keeping that
dermal mattress really thick sothat it keeps making new skin
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cells.
But our skin also has to behydrated, it has to have a
restored barrier and our skinhas this native capacity to
release, and that's what needsto also be brought in, you know,
needs to be activated withinour skin, and then we have to
just not be doing all of thethings that overexercise our
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skin and actually wear out ourskin.
So it's about magnifying ourdermal layer and then it's about
preserving what we have for aslong as possible.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You know what's interesting to me?
That I just literallyremembered and I'm laughing as
I'm talking to you about itbecause it's they promote all
these lasers like Morpheus andet cetera.
But then you also hear himsaying how important it is that
use this product.
It helps the dermal layer.
Those things conflict, it's socondescending.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
It's complete madness .
And I mean I stepped into thiswhen I was 19 and got really
confused and overwhelmed andthen I went to a set of even
more confused and overwhelmedand it's, it's complete madness
and insanity.
When you actually go througheverybody's protocols, because
you will find that they were,they are so contradictory and
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they negate each other and it'sand they negate each other and
it's.
It's just a form of mentalillness in my opinion.
And what emerged?
Yeah, I mean all these beautypractices of like peel, peel,
peel, harm, oh, and then you'reI actually have, years ago,
started calling it the bipolarapproach where you do all of
these things to your skin toharm it, all of these things
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I've listed out, and then youturn around and you're soothing
and you're nice to it and you dothings that are preserving and
nurturing and kind and gentle,and you're basically just
flip-flopping between those twostrategies.
And so it's very apparentexactly what you're saying to me
, to somebody who's like reallypaying attention and really
trying to get to the bottom ofit.
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What emerged is what I call theregenerative skin process, and
it's my life's work and it's 30plus years of my time being very
intimate with skin and thisprocess that I've developed is
the antidote for the madness,shall we say.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So I love how you call it the bipolar era.
Is that what you called it forskin?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
approach?
Yeah, because that's that'sessentially what I was doing
after I left aesthetic schooland was trying to adhere to
corrective skincare protocolsthat I was taught, but it was
also conflicting with myholistic roots, and so it's like
this mishmash of insanity, andthat's what I find time and time
again when people come to me.
(13:48):
It's this, you know, completereworking and belief change and
return to simplicity of somecore values that have a
practical application.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, I agree with you 100%.
It's like now that we'retalking and getting more deeper,
deeper into it.
You know, it's like you usethese peels but then you go home
you use like all these likesoothing things to soothe it and
try to make it come.
It's like, you know, making achild super angry but then
giving it a lollipop liketriggering a kid, giving it a
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lollipop and that makes no senseto me and I'm so happy we're
talking about this.
Wow, this is amazing.
I do have a lot of questions.
I want to get through thembecause I think it's important
that you know my, my followershear this out.
So this topic is all basicallyaging.
You know, aging and how do wereally delay aging with
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holistically, naturally, and Ithink it's important for women
to know these.
So first topic is the skinhealth, dani.
What daily skincare practicesare most effective in
maintaining youthful skin andpreventing signs of aging?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Okay, so I'm a big proponent of minimal cleansing.
So a lot of people areover-cleansing their skin,
trying to remove clogged poresor to take away bad old skin
cells, and that's old thinking.
And so it's minimal cleansing,using a hydrating mist, using a
nutritive serum, which are thosetwo ingredients that I
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mentioned.
That you have ingredients that Imentioned, and then a barrier
restoration using a densemoisturizer to actually trap
that in, and a sunscreen withoutchemicals and saying no to
inflammatory practices.
And of course, that includessaying no to the astringent and
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the drying out practices, andthat would include essential
oils.
A lot of people think thatusing essential oils are natural
, but they're very drying forour skin.
I think there's just a fewobscure handful that couldn't be
used so on a daily basis, thatwould be my, that's my
recommendation.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
That's interesting.
So we have a minimal cleansing,which lots of people well, is
this also for women who wearmakeup?
The minimal cleansing goes forwomen who have makeup.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, I'm just using a gentle cleanser, very gentle
cleanser, if you have makeup onthat's plain and non-scented and
kind of boring if you will, butnot focusing on cleansing.
And if you don't have a lot ofmakeup or sunscreen on, you know
you just using warm watercleansing is completely
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effective.
So when I say minimal cleansing, it's like just not all never
using a cleanser in the morningand only using a gentle cleanser
when you have those things on.
Many people are sohyper-focused on cleansing their
skin and exfoliating their skinand those have gone overboard
to the detriment of thinning ourdermal layer faster, disabling
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our acid mantle we can talkabout that Like.
Those things do not, you know,contribute to daily wellness of
our skin?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
you know, contribute to daily wellness of our skin.
So we've been taught, with allthe reels out there, that
cleansing with an oil first andthen cleansing with a normal
cleanser is okay.
But what I'm learning from youis that the more minimal, the
better it is.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So when it comes to cleansing, yeah, and staying
away from acid cleansers, andlike those BHAs and those things
that exactly glycolic acid,salicylic acid, lactic acid.
Why are they harmful for theskin?
Because they dissolve the toplayer of our skin in one form or
another and it's exfoliationbased in that way where it's
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it's cleansing, yeah, in a waywhere it's just destroying the
top layer of our skin slowlyover time, and we don't need
that distraction for our skin.
Our skin, when it has access tothe nutrients, is making new
skin cells voluntarily,abundantly, and then we want to
keep our natural oils on ourskin intact, and so by
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over-cleansing, we're juststripping our own natural oils,
which takes our skin backwards,and we're also over exfoliating
and drying out our skin, whichtakes our skin backwards.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
You know, I'm going to add to this because I know
that when we talked a few monthsago, I brought up my mom's skin
.
Okay, Now she is and I and Iwant everyone to hear this
because it's not just my mom, Ithink it's many of our mothers
you know.
She's in her late 60s andminimal wrinkles.
(18:41):
Okay, Very firm, just soft,even beautiful looking skin and
I look at and my skin's not thatbad.
But I fell into the wholeproduct and this and that.
But when I'm looking at herskin, Dani, she does nothing to
her skin, it's just water.
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She doesn't put like all theseretinoids and retinols and
nothing Absolutely.
Even in the Soviet times whenwe were living in Armenia, there
was no such a thing as products.
Back then times when we wereliving in Armenia, there was no
such a thing as products.
Back then, Women had justlaundry soap to wash their face
with.
It was just a black soap,that's it.
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If that, so it kind of goeswith what you're saying, the
less you do, the more nurturingthe more healing your skin is
and that's what absolutely, andit's.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
It's a saying no to those things and then saying yes
to a few, very a few, of thesereally important things.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, that is so interesting.
Okay, second question how doesdiet influence aging?
I think this is so importantbecause we know we're all about
the sugars and the breads andthe spaghettis.
I mean, do, do.
Does food really play a role inaging?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
to body health and therefore skin health.
And our skin surfacely has amicrobiome as well, and this
I've often talked about the skin, soil, gut connection, like all
of these things are combined,but what we get, the microbiome
that we deserve.
So whatever foods we're eating,we're eating reflect that
directly, and I find that thebest diets include really high
quality animal proteins andcollagen and you know really
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these really dense foods becauseour bodies are animal bodies
and it recognizes thesenutrients and is able to make
repairs.
There is a lot of researchabout how, you know, vegetarians
and vegans just have morecomplications with scars and
recovering from surgery scars.
So I'm inclined to justencourage people to eat really
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high quality animal meats tobring that into their diet.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, I was just going to ask you, as somebody
who has over 30 years ofexperience, what do you notice?
The skin difference betweenperson who eats lots of animal
fats or good you know, densefoods, versus vegetarians and
vegans?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Wound repair.
So if there's a smallextraction spot that I that I
give, it's like immediate, youknow their skin repairs, whether
it's something that they theybump their knee or scrape their
foot or something, it's justthis our bodies have this
ability to just do thisimmediate wound repair, no
matter what it is.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Wow, and this is why let's get into the topic of
tallow it's.
It's such a huge thing on themarket right now.
And I actually I'm using thebison tallow you sent me.
I don't know what I can sayabout that, but it's like there
are no words to explain howphenomenal it is.
I think each person has to useit for them to see it on
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themselves.
Like it's made such a hugedifference on my skin.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, I've experimented with making animal
tallow moisturizers years ago Imean in my early 20s years ago
and I've used them off and onand I was really excited to see
it come back into mainstream.
And I put my moisturizertogether many years ago and it's
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now finally taking off witheverybody else, and for good
reason.
It smells kind of funky.
You get used to it.
But now I reason it smells kindof funky, you get used to it.
It's a, but now I mean it's ait's a sophisticated acquired
taste.
Now I I mean, I've always reallyappreciated it, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
No, it's, it's.
It's definitely not pleasant,but it goes away after like a
few minutes.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, and now I don't find it unpleasant at all, and
there's a lot of A, c and and Evitamins in tallow Not the type
that's going to build thatangiogenesis, but it still
matters to some degree.
And it also penetrates sodeeply into our skin, deeper
than any other.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Tallow.
Does really, dani?
Is there a difference betweenbison tallow and beef tallow?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
bison tallow is a very lean animal.
There's less animal, there'sless fat when it comes to bison,
so it's just.
And many people believe thatbison is just a more nutrient,
dense animal compared to cow.
So and it's just been a specialanimal to me, being from the
native Southwest.
So I mean there's differencesbut they're both wonderful and
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bison tallow is especiallyprecious because it takes a lot
more buffalo to render thetallow than beef.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, I mean, is there a result difference
between the bison tallow andbeef tallow?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
No, I don't think so.
I mean, I think it, just Idon't think that that would be
measurable.
It's just a preference.
I mean beef tends to be harder,sometimes harder to get or not
harder to get, but over farmed,and of course you always want to
get grass fed tallow, whetherit's from beef or from bison.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah.
Do you recommend any particularbrands for beef tallow for
people that are starting to getinto it or want to?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
You know, I mean this , have to get your.
I don't.
I couldn't say.
I worked through about five toseven different vendors because
it depends on season for my, formy, bison tallow, anyways, they
come in and out of season.
It's a commodity, so you haveto.
I have several differentvendors because it depends on
season for my, for my, bisontallow, anyways, they come in
and out of season.
It's a commodity, so you haveto.
I have several differentvendors that I work with and if
they're out I go to the next andI kind of go down my, go down
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the list.
Regenerative farming isbecoming more popular.
So I would say, find your localfarm who's doing regenerative
farming and go to them and askthem for tallow.
Go to your farmer's market inyour neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Wow, that's amazing.
And, by the way, if people areinterested in bison tallow, they
can contact you correct.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Well, I don't sell the tallow, I sell the
moisturizer.
It's called Nomad, my bisontallow moisturizer.
It's whipped and you can findthat on my website.
Awesome, yeah, that's the onethat's.
You can find that on my website.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, awesome.
Yeah, that's the one that I useand I'm obsessed with, okay,
dani, natural treatments.
So, since the topic is delayingaging, what are some natural
and non-invasive treatments thatyou recommend to reduce
wrinkles and produce morecollagen?
Well, yeah, so the question foryou right.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, this big.
There's this refrain that wehear in the skincare industry
all the time, when you seeproducts and ingredients and
just all of the services is thatit stimulates collagen and
elastin and, technically,anything that is trauma, any.
If you slap your skin, it,anything is a smack or a laser
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or a microneedling thattechnically creates collagen and
elastin.
And this is the rub.
However, even though it mightstimulate it through a trauma
event, it can't reclaim what washurt in that traumatic event.
And so there's thisjustification of what's going to
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stimulate collagen and elastinand to me, it's just, it's just
not worth it.
We have to.
We have to preserve what we'vebeen given through a
mineral-based sunscreen and bynot giving it these, um, giving
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it these trauma-based eventsthat destroy more than it
creates.
And I know that's hard to hear,because everything under the sun
and you hear that over and overthat it stimulates collagen
elastin.
And they'll say that, even whenyou get injections, oh, this is
stimulating collagen elastin.
So, that being said, the thingsthat actually build, not
collagen elastin, because wecan't that's measurable to any
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kind of degree that wouldactually create visually more
volume is we want to add muscleto our skin and that would be a
microcurrent device and that's.
There's many differentcompanies that are selling them.
It'd be too hard to go into allof that.
But microcurrent because itactually builds muscle, and and
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then also face yoga because thatbuilds muscle as well into the
face, and we can gain productsthat's going to get us to
feeling more lifted, and it'sthe face.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
What is the microcurrent?
Can you tell us about that?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So it's all technology.
It was invented many years agoto help stroke victims regain
muscle control, so there's a lotof research on it.
But it's a micro electricityjolt.
It's not you won't feel it assuch, but it stimulates the
muscle so that you're buildingmuscle tone.
And so it's a.
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It's a muscle one?
No, not at all.
It feels incredibly pleasant,it's can be very calming, and so
that will actually lift andtone and build volume into our
skin.
And even that, I will have tosay, can't compete with what
injections can do volumizinginjections visually.
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But those volumizing injectionsare not the kind of volume that
we want.
That volumizing is decreasingskin health, creating all sorts
of havoc in our skin.
But what we do have is thismicrocurrent and then face yoga
for volumizing our skin.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Have you seen like good results from microcurrent?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yes, and, and the thing is that you have to do it
a few times a week.
It's like going to the gymbecause, again, it's muscle Like
you can't.
You can't get muscle any otherway, by actually doing the thing
.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Wow, that's insane.
So it's good for wrinkles aswell then.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well, there's several , there's many.
The anatomy of a wrinkle isthere's superficial wrinkles
that are due to lack ofhydration and the lack of this
our skin being able to hold ontowater, and then there's deeper
wrinkles that have to do withthis collagen elastin loss over
time.
And so we have to go at go inboth ways to be able to affect
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wrinkles Like these.
Deeper wrinkles is all aboutsaying no to trauma-based
procedures and, you know,feeding your skin these dermal
nutrients so that you can get atleast get dermal thickness
happening and new skin cellshappening.
But it has a lot to do withoptimizing hydration with our
skin, which is a very specificlayering sequence which we first
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started talking about withdaily practices and not
subscribing to these dry to fixacne protocols which will
dehydrate our skin and you know,a lot of all of those acne
protocols will bring onpremature aging, sadly, will
bring on premature aging, sadly,you know.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Since we were talking about, I mean you brought up
injections a little bit and Iwant to bring this topic up.
What is this?
I mean is injections, thesefillers for the face, botox for
the face?
Is it really bad for?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
aging it is.
They do not increase skinhealth one bit.
They absolutely just don't yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Where do these fillers go?
So I was reading something Ican't oh my gosh, I wish I could
remember which article it was,but it was talking about how
fillers don't just dissolve,they go into your body.
They go into your skin is.
Have you heard about this?
What's your course?
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, tell usabout that.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean it is.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I mean these things, these the Botox injections, the
volumizing injections.
They stretch soft skin tissuewhich then creates like, oh, you
have to do more, and they havea negative effect on the overall
ability of our skin toself-release.
So this I talked about thiswhen we, when we first got on
this native release capacity forour skin and all of these acne
(31:16):
protocols and conventionalanti-aging protocols shut down
our skin's ability to actuallyrelease our own oil, and our own
oil can't make it to thesurface of our skin the way that
it's supposed to.
And so all of this subsurfacemicroclusters, you know, get
underneath our skin, create allsorts of problems for our skin
(31:40):
and the injections directly shutthis down.
Every time our skin is inexperiences trauma through
microneedling or an injection,it creates a load of a
distraction of what it has todeal with.
It has to process it away, ithas to endure it, it has to
reduce the inflammation.
And when our skin is in thisstate of always having to deal
(32:03):
with these things, it never andit's not supported in in the
ways that the skin harmonicsprotocols do.
It never gets to actually beingthe way that it's supposed to
be, you know, in the true agingdelay state, and so those, those
it disrupts.
It disrupts the way that skinis supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Um, what are some some of the negative results
from fillers and Botox thatyou've seen from your experience
?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Um, a lot, of, a lot of these subsurface micro
clusters underneath the skin.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I mean, are they visible to see on a woman's skin
?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Sometimes, it's like blackheads that are just
underneath the surface milia,m-i-l-i-a, milia clusters.
They disrupt the skin texture.
It's when people have thesejust constant breakouts, but
they never really go away.
And so it might kind of go away, but then the same place is
erupting again and again, sothat there's buckling of the
(33:06):
skin.
When the skin gets overfilled,there's just a lackluster,
blotchy skin tone and even liketheir whole face.
You know, people lose theirfacial expressions and but
there's and there's also justlike an unevenness to this skin
and like an overstretched to theskin.
(33:28):
And there's also atrophy wheremuscles can drop.
When there's a lot of Botox putin, muscles actually atrophy
and drop, when what microcurrentdoes is it lifts, it relifts
and tones the facial muscles.
So we're working activelyagainst this optimized, delayed
aging state, which is possibleby trying these toxic band-aids
(33:51):
that are might create, you know,like from several feet away,
for a week or so, while, while,and then, and then that all
falls away and then we have skinthat's like really depressed,
it's exhausted, it's tired, it'sthirsty, it's hungry and you
know it's all.
It's filled with all this gunk.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I'm so basically what ?
What?
What I'm hearing you say isthat fillers stop your skin from
working from underneath, fromthe way that it's supposed to.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, so it's just that combined Right, that
combined, it's sort of all ofthese things together and it
might.
Sometimes people can never,never have gotten injections,
but their skin is alreadysuppressed in this native
release capacity because ofeverything else they're doing.
So it's just there's thisonslaught of, like you know,
(34:44):
death by a thousand cuts, in away, all combined that create
this.
And sometimes it's just I'vehad people come to me where they
had one really intensemicroneedling procedure and that
was all it took for their skinto go over the cliff and have
hyperpigmentation issues neverbe the same in so many ways.
(35:07):
And we've had to get back onskin reclamation protocols
that's what I said, the skinharmonics protocols.
Like there's a way to interveneand reverse and turn all of
this around so that we can go tothat final destination of
delayed aging and we all wantdelayed aging.
Like that's where we all wantto go and there's just so much
(35:31):
more that we can do to get there.
Better now, especially with youknow, my years of experience
with having taken a lot of wrongturns and have had to find out
the hard way about a lot ofthings- yeah, you know what?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I think it's such an essential to teach younger girls
the importance of reallynurturing your skin the proper
way, versus you know how manygirls do you see at Sephora
buying retinols and retinoidsand all these really, really
harmful products where I thinkthey need to be taught, maybe in
schools too, or by theirmothers?
(36:06):
You know eating animal fat andusing all these?
You know exercising hydratingsunscreen?
I wish that I was taught thesethings when I was younger.
You know it's.
I think it's important, but nowit's like 20 year olds getting
Botox because it's consideredpreventative.
What, yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, yeah, there's a fixation on volume and wrinkles
in a way that doesn't serve us,where the fixation, in my
estimate, would be to focus onhydration, barrier restoration,
allowing our skin this releasecapacity, deep pore cleansing
sessions, abstaining fromtrauma-based procedures and
(36:48):
using a mineral-based sunscreen.
Like, yeah, our skin does havea love language, like it really
does, and there is a way to getback on track.
But again, I'm just one personin this sea of people, of
companies, this multi-billiondollar industry, and so it's.
(37:09):
It's a hard.
The right information can bevery hard to access.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It is, and you know when you look at the world of
you know estheticians andpractitioners, it's just as I
said in the beginning like,aesthetic estheticians don't
have that voice.
We don't listen to you guys.
We don't because everythingelse is so loud.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
You know, like our hierarchy, like my place in the
industry, is very low, becausewe have, like, the medical
doctors here and then theregistered nurses, and then we
have the different levels ofestheticians, depending on who
they're working for medicalestheticians and and whatnot,
and so, yeah, there's, there's awhole hierarchy, for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, but again, as I said, you guys were doing this
way way before any doctors werearound to do all these like
traumatic skincare stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
you know you guys are nurturing with rosewater and
carrots and you know, and thenwe and then we go to school and
we get you know, taught intoother ways and I've I've stayed
independent all these years.
So I've went and I've studiedand I've looked at a lot of
different things and havepracticed a lot.
But what emerged about 15 plusyears ago was this methodology
(38:29):
that I practice now and justdon't look back from Like I've
stayed independent.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, I'm gonna ask you what made you stay
independent, because I do hearyou talk about your view on how
and I love it because it's avery natural approach but with
all the confusion and all thisinformation, what allowed you
what was like the, the pointwhere you're like, uh, this
doesn't make sense.
Like I, I don't like the waythey're approaching skin.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, I mean, I got really depressed and angry and I
wanted to just like shut down.
Yeah, I went through a wholedark night of the soul and
wanted to quit.
And well, because it was just,I couldn't figure it out and I
had spent all this money I had,it was in like up over my head
and and was like this is nowhereand I don't feel like I'm
(39:18):
helping anybody's skin, and so Ijust showed up at work.
Anyways, I had opened up theskin sanctuary of Taos in Taos,
new Mexico, and I couldn't getout of any of my financial
commitments and so I just kindof showed up day after day and
slowly started to figure it outand I guess I'd have somebody
(39:41):
would have to analyze myastrological, my astrology chart
as to why I stayed with it.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I think, I think it's great that you did.
I mean, and I'm saying this,and we're going to get into the
products that you have, becausethey're very important and I
want everyone to know about them.
I mean, I've used them and I'veseen what they do, so it's
important, but we're going toget to that.
So we talked about the yoga,the face yoga.
(40:10):
That was really important.
Um, is that something that wecan do at home?
By the way?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I mean, there's so many people doing good face yoga
, I just get on YouTube and justit's yeah, it's free, it just
it's the time, right, it's thetime and dedication to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
It is a time, Um, Danny, I wanted to talk about
sunscreens a little bit, sothere is a little.
It is a little bit of acontroversial topic because
there's many people who say thatthey have their skin has been
damaged from sunscreens.
Are sunscreens truly anessential in our life?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Well, nobody should be using a chemical sunscreen
because they are indeed toxic.
What is a chemical sunscreenLike benzoin?
There's a whole list ofingredients.
You can Google them where they.
I did a whole blog on itactually.
But yeah, chemical sunscreensjust like should not be marketed
, they should not be sold.
(41:05):
Yet zinc oxide the mineralsunscreens are, and we should be
covering our face.
We shouldn't be covering ourwhole body with sunscreen all
the time, because we do needvitamin D synthesis, but high
exposure areas our face, ourneck, our hands absolutely put
some mineral sunscreen on anduse the rest of your body to
(41:27):
synthesize the vitamin D.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
What is it?
So you were saying use amineral sunscreen.
Does that mean that it doesn'thave the chemicals in it?
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Correct, correct does that mean that it doesn't have
the chemicals in that?
Correct, yeah, and sometimesthey're both.
But you want to get one with it.
Has the, the zinc oxide ortitanium dioxide, just the ones
that have the mineral, thephysical blockers.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
If a person doesn't use sunscreen um, is that going
to increase aging faster?
Well, what is it?
How does a sun age our?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
skin.
It takes away our collagenelastin, our very precious
inborn volume.
That collagen elastin mattressit does diminish it faster.
Oh my goodness that makes suchsense.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Oh my God.
Oh, let's see when are we at,danny.
Hmm, I have so many questions,I don't know which one is like
essential or Okay, so I thinkthis one's a really cool one the
mind and body connection.
So how does emotional health ormindfulness play a role in the
appearance of aging skin?
(42:35):
Cause we're all stressed.
So how do you stress, you know,age, or age us?
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Well, how does that work, I mean stress, is the
fastest ager, and I mean we do.
We've heard this.
I've heard this ever since I asa child, that aging is a state
of mind, and it's absolutelytrue.
There is a realm where there isno aging and it's us, you know,
in direct communion withdivinity and that something that
(43:05):
there's a part of our soulsthat just never age, is
completely timeless, and that isa hundred percent true.
And, like I mentioned earlier,there is a love language that
our skin has and that our wholebody has, and it is knowing
right practices.
It boils down to beliefs.
(43:26):
Our beliefs drive our patternsand if we have beliefs that are
in alignment with magnifying andpreserving life, then we will
be doing those actionable thingsevery day that are going to
take us to this delayed agingstate.
And this is where we have to.
The skin harmonics protocols isa complete reworking of our
(43:50):
deepest beliefs about our skinthat we no longer have to harm
our skin to heal it.
That we don't have to scrubaway bad skin cells.
That we don longer have to harmour skin to heal it.
That we don't have to scrubaway bad skin cells.
That we don't have to overcleanse and exfoliate our skin
to clean it Like.
There's these very deep beliefsthat therefore create these
patterns that are life positiveand deliver us towards this
(44:12):
delayed aging state.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, you know, the unfortunate thing about life is
that it's it's not all rainbowsand butterflies.
It's.
It's really hard for a lot ofpeople and when I, when I look
at life and I look at you knowthe the different, the different
times.
Um, it's impossible to not bestressed, it's impossible to be
(44:36):
happy all the time and eathealthy all the time, stay
hydrated all the time.
You know we're humans, but whyI'm saying this is because
wrinkles are not really acceptedanymore and and these things
are impossible to kind of jumpover all these stressors.
And you know the air and allthese pollutions.
(44:56):
What happened that wrinkles arereally not accepted anymore?
It's like you see somebody whohas wrinkles or doesn't want to
do Botox.
We look at them like they're analien from another planet.
Aging is gone, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
I mean it just depends on what circles we work
in and live in, because there'sa lot of places I think I mean a
lot of Americans get caught upin these little tiny micro
bubbles of culture and, you know, clicks and fail to see the
rest of the world.
Our relationship with aging,that has to change and it's very
(45:36):
personal, it's very private,it's very deep, it's very
spiritual.
And in that relationship withaging, what I've come to know is
that I mean we're going to getwrinkles.
Like, of course we're going toget wrinkles.
It's just how can we?
Our physical bodies are goingto age.
We can't stop that.
(45:56):
We want that delayed aging andat the end of 60, 70, 80, 90
years old, we just want to glow.
A well-lived life will have aface that tells a story and
there will be wrinkles.
If you have laughed, if youhave cried, if you have lived
your life, there will bewrinkles.
And I've come, I've come toknow, I mean, a lot of my older
(46:20):
clients and, as I'm turning intoone of my older clients, like I
, these wrinkles are beautiful.
We just have to keep feedingthem, hydrating them, supporting
them and getting getting thatsmooth texture and that overall
glow like that that we canmaintain till we're a hundred
plus years old.
It's, it's that worn out skin,the rough texture and that
(46:44):
blondness.
That's that doesn't have to be,that can be completely
reconciled.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, I think I don't know.
It's just women and I.
What you just said is sobeautiful, you know it does your
wrinkles do tell a story.
That's beautiful.
Why are we so scared?
Just women, and what you justsaid is so beautiful, you know,
it does your wrinkles do tell astory.
That's beautiful.
Why are we so scared as women,and some men too?
Men are falling into this too.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, I think it's an American kind of mental sick
culture where we're fixating inthese ways that are not healthy
for our wellness.
It's about we have to redo ourwhole lives.
We have to find ways to livethat structurally support us to
(47:26):
where we're not overworking,we're not driving a million
hours in traffic.
You know that we have torebuild our lives in a way that
they are wellness andsustainable, and that's what
we're all.
That's what we're all doing.
All the good people I know areworking towards, you know,
simplicity in their lives,towards family, these um health
(47:50):
and nutrition in these ways.
That isn't like Disney world,like you know you don't have to
have Disney world happening andcomplicated things to have this,
this very deep way ofsatisfaction and wellness in our
lives.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That's so true.
I love that, danny.
What are the main products withpeople that want to age
gracefully and do itholistically?
What are?
I know we talked about thecleansing, but what are the
essential products they need touse to keep their skin hydrated
and also for glowing?
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, so I have three different what I call origin
sets and it's a set of a mist, aserum and a moisturizer.
And there's three becausethere's different doses of the
dermal nutrients.
Our skin does have an appetite,has different appetites for the
dermal nutrients.
So the Balance Origin Set isfor somebody that has very
(48:47):
sensitive skin, reactive skin,and then the Fortify Origin Set
is where most people would get.
It's just your really fantastichydrator, your dermal nutrient
serum, and then a moisturizer.
The Feast Origin Set is alittle bit stronger, where it
has a little more correctivepower to get new skin cells to
the surface, for delayed agingand to correct acne.
(49:08):
So those the Balance, Fortifyand Feast Origin Sets are the
place to start.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
I know that I've been using your products for about
two months now and I'm in lovewith them, but I talked to you
about retinoids and retinol andyou said Feast, correct, fortify
and Feast.
Yeah, this is the serum thatI'm using.
I believe, and I read on there,that it had carrot in there,
(49:37):
and I think you had mentionedthat carrot plays a role of a
retinoid.
Is that correct?
Can you tell us?
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Well, it can be a source of where retinols come
from, but the dermal nutrientsthat I've been referring to is a
form of vitamin A calledretinaldehyde, and these are
patented with liposomal delivery.
So it's like what I think Itold you the Tesla of vitamin A.
It's like not our mama'sretinol and without the sun
(50:04):
sensitizing effects associatedwith traditional retinol,
because those can make retinolscan be very tricky, in that way
(50:28):
that if you don't get the dosejust right, that it creates the
sun sensitivity and inflammation, which is inflammation, like
that's what actually ages people, and inflammation, which is
inflammation, like that's whatactually ages people.
So, with these dermal nutrients, with these retinal to hide
liposomal delivery, we're ableto get this deep nutrition
without having to have wait forthat other shoe to drop.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
I want to talk about Lamina, okay, because she has
changed my skin, my world.
It's incredibly unique.
It's not your typicalmoisturizer where you can just
dive into and just apply you.
It's very hard, you guys.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
I want you to.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
I want everybody to listen because this, I think for
me, I know I love all yourproducts, but Lamina, is it just
it.
It's so special and I've toldyou that so many times and I'm
not tired of telling you it'svery special.
How did you?
Because it's rock hard and youhave to kind of warm it up and
(51:29):
then it's yeah, it's a veryradical.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, it's a very radical product and consumers
have been taught over the yearsthat a moisturizer should go in,
and then you our skin, and itprevents water loss, like it's a
saran wrap, if you will, or aroof or a lid that actually
(52:03):
prevents water from escaping ourskin.
And the word that is used isbarrier restoration.
So this is a medical barrierrestoration product and I just I
formulated it before COVID andI just kept making it all the
prototypes no more dense, moredense, more dense and realize
(52:24):
that if the product could becompletely liquefied by friction
in the palm of our hand andthen applied, it creates almost
like this waterproof barrier.
It's like a Vaseline, but it'swith better ingredients,
obviously, and it's even moredense, so it creates this like
really thin lipid seal.
(52:48):
Yeah, on the skin lamina.
I love the way you said it,though.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
I said it in Armenian .
Well, I'll take that.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
And it's instant barrier restoration.
So this supports our skin'snatural acid mantle and our acid
mantle is our own natural oils,mixed with our own, a little
bit of our sweat, that createthe microbiome on our skin.
And the anti-aging conventionalprotocols and acne protocols
that are conventional completelyannihilate our acid mantle on a
(53:22):
daily basis.
And so going back in andsupporting it and refortifying
and building and keeping thisreally beautiful, you know acid
mantle happening in our skin, it.
It creates like no dehydrationlines on our skin, our skin oh
my gosh, none none my skin.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I put lamina on at night.
I wake up in the morningglowing, glowing, danny.
My skin loves her I do not Imean, she is obsessed with her
and I will never literally Idon't have a single any other
moisturizer but your Bicentelloand Lamina.
(54:05):
I don't.
I love them both so much I do.
You're a genius.
Has anyone ever told you thatyou're a genius, dani?
What advice, what skincareadvice, do you give women who do
want to age naturally andgracefully?
Speaker 1 (54:28):
What's a few advice that you would provide for women
like that, yeah, I mean just togo along with what we've been
saying is learn about thesedermal nutrients and the
peptides and sandwich them withthe mist and the moisturizer and
learn and become empowered andto say no to these conventional,
(54:50):
this conventional way offeeling like you have to laser
your skin and then learn aboutmicrocurrent and face yoga and
there's acupuncture, there'sfacial massage, like there's a
whole list of things that arethat are so supportive for for
(55:11):
aging delay.
And I want to say that it thiswould be honestly for anybody
who wanted aging delay, youwouldn't necessarily like people
think that if you go aboutholistic aging delay, it's sort
of the sissy way and the lesspowerful way of doing anti-aging
.
And what I've come to know isjust not true.
(55:33):
I'm knowing what I know andseeing what I've seen, it's the
most effective way to arrive ataging delay.
So even if you had a lot ofmoney and a lot of time on your
hands and you were going to bedoing all of these procedures,
these, these skin getsover-procedured and skin
accelerates and it's aging.
(55:54):
So so it's just to becomeempowered and, you know, get
good knowledge.
I have a book that I wrote therelearning skincare the story of
skin in a new way.
It gets a lot of listens onYouTube.
It's 90 minute, you know easybreezy, listen and you know,
just get access to newinformation that might be
(56:14):
outside of the media bubble,that you might be in with your
medical spa mailing list and allof the normal rigmarole, all
the Charlie Brown want, want ofall the same things that every
place is like rolling outretinols, chemical peels, you
know, and benzoyl peroxide, likethere are other ways of doing
(56:39):
things.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
I love that.
I absolutely adore how you saidlearn more, give yourself the
knowledge and the education,because it is a blessing when
you don't.
You fall into this.
Let me go and do this.
Let me go and do that becauseit's everywhere and everyone
else is doing it.
That's called questioningauthority.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
We don't know what we don't know, and so we have to
be willing to find out what wedon't know, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
I love that, Dani.
Thank you so much.
Is there anything else you'dlike to add for us to know about
?
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Well, I'm excited.
I have a new app that peoplecan access free information from
.
There's four oh, it's skinharmonics.
I'll have to put it in.
I'll.
I'll put it in there, yeah, andit's free and it gives some
really great information.
And I also have six differentskin courses too, for I have one
(57:37):
for acne, for menopause, forsensitive skin, I have one for
the possible precursor lesionsand I have one for outdoor skin.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
So in all of the 36 videos at people's fingertips,
yes, and I'm going to link allof that for anyone that wants it
.
I highly recommend the book,though.
It's phenomenal.
I love how you just explainedwhat has worked for many, many
years.
Before.
It was kind of shut down in away, but yes, definitely I'll
(58:09):
link everything.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
Thank you, guys, for tuning in.
And Dani, thank you so much forall the beautiful information.
I appreciate you and I'lldefinitely link where everyone
can find you.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
My pleasure.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
Thank you so much.
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