January 31, 2025 • 67 mins
Discover an entirely new perspective on women's reproductive health with the brilliant Dr. Elena Grigoryants. As a former OBGYN and master acupuncturist, Dr. Grigoryants blends the wisdom of Western and Eastern medicine to address pressing questions about birth control and infertility. Could your lifestyle choices or the environment be silently impacting your fertility? Uncover the intricacies of how traditional Chinese medicine views liver and kidney health as pivotal to hormonal balance and overall well-being.
Listen as we unravel the modern challenges women face while balancing career and family planning. From the shifting norms of motherhood to the stress-induced conditions like PCOS, we explore how societal pressures impact hormonal health. Dr. Grigoryants offers enlightening insights into alternative treatments for menstrual cramps and ovarian cysts, challenging the conventional reliance on birth control pills. Understand the long-term effects of birth control, not just in terms of fertility but also on libido and potential cancer risks.
Join the conversation about how traditional Chinese medicine fosters a harmonious reproductive environment. We delve into the emotional and energetic aspects of health, like the concept of "emotional UTI," and how acupuncture and herbal remedies can enhance fertility. Learn about the vital role of education in preparing young girls for a healthy reproductive future. This episode is a treasure trove of knowledge that encourages informed decision-making and illuminates the potential for holistic healing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I see patients with the early menopausal stage,
around 40, 42.
So, and the main organ in thatperiod of time it's kidney, and
kidney, by time is kind of youknow, the kidney is a channel
and kidney as an organ is kindof declining.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hello everyone.
So today's episode is with DrElena Gregorians.
Now Dr Gregorians is a OBGYN inher country, but here she is a
Chinese herbal medicine doctor,so she's an acupuncturist.
I really wanted someone of herexpertise to come on the show,
(00:54):
who's been an OBGYN but also nowis studying and practicing
Chinese medicine.
And the topic is birth controland infertility.
And I really wanted to get intothis episode because I think
this is such a major pandemic inour country and it is and I'm
calling it that because everyother young girl that you see is
(01:21):
on birth control and everyother young woman that wants to
start a family under 40, under30, is having infertility issues
.
So my concern is what is reallyhappening?
Is this environmental?
Is this food?
Is this something that we'redoing wrong?
And what?
What is causing all theseinfertilities?
Is birth control causinginfertility?
(01:42):
Can birth control cause cancer?
So a lot of really importanttopics that I thought every
parent would want to know, everywoman would want to know.
So we dive into those subjects,um, and also we dive into the
essential organs of a woman andwhere it all stems from, like,
(02:02):
what organs do we need tonurture?
And the subject was wonderfulbecause I learned so much, and I
know that I can nurture mydaughter better, knowing all of
these important knowledge thatshe obviously spreads.
So stay tuned and I hope youenjoy this episode.
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Gregorians Hi Elena.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
How are you, hi Jada, I'm okay.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Good, good, it's so nice to connect with you.
Thank you so much for acceptingmy invitation.
Thank you for invitation too,of course.
I'm so excited about this topicbecause this is something that
I think is not really talkedabout.
What we're about to get intoit's not discussed, it's not
(03:44):
really talked about, and I thinkit's important for people to
hear that there's many otherstories behind topics and it's
really good to educatethemselves before leaning into
other things.
But before we get in, can youjust briefly tell us about your
educational background?
I know that you practice inyour country as an OBGYN.
(04:05):
Here you are a masteracupuncturist in Chinese
medicine, so walk us throughyour education a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Okay, I graduated from Russian Medical Academy.
It's Ivanova Medical Academy.
I have been practicing asobstetrician and gynecologist
for 11 years, so basically, I'mfrom the Western field, I have a
Western background.
So I graduated in 2016 fromYosan University here it's a
(04:43):
university of Chinese medicine.
So and I'm practicing since Ihave been practicing since 2018
and I'm running my own business,panacea Acupuncture.
So I'm a licensed acupuncturistand master of Chinese medicine.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Do you think that there is, so do you think that
there's a difference between,like Western medicine, and I
believe that Chinese medicine isEastern medicine, correct?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yes.
So basically, yes, this is twodifferent worlds.
One of them it's a Western,completely Western, and another
one is Eastern.
But I can tell because myeducation that days I mean
during the educational time,training time we had some
elements in our program that Ihave been having in Chinese
(05:37):
medicine training.
So it's basically observation.
So the most important part inmy time that I have been
studying Western medicine, itwas an observation.
So the most important part inmy time that I have been
studying Western medicine, itwas an observation.
So in Chinese medicine,observation is number one too.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, which do you connect with more now that you
are, because they are two worlds.
But what do you connect withmore with Western or Eastern
medicine connect?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
with more with Western or Eastern medicine.
You know I you know I likeChinese concept that there is a
yin and yang.
Right, the yin it's like a kindof a dark side.
I mean, it's not dark, it's amaterial part, and yang it's an
(06:26):
energetic part.
I would say Western and Easternit's yin and yang.
Western it's more material andEastern it's more about energy.
But when we connect them,infuse them with each other,
it's a very good blend that Ifeel that it helps me to treat
my patient and apply, you know,some Western diagnosis and a
Chinese medicine prospect.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Bringing on and having the knowledge in Western
and Eastern medicine.
Eastern practices, more onenergy, yes, but do you feel
that many healings whetheryou're dealing with cancer or
what have you you do you feel,as a professional, that eastern
medicine does its job withhealing a little bit more
(07:12):
substantially and better versuswestern?
What's your opinion?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
okay, my opinion is a long time ago I have I had some
issue.
Uh, I had some issue.
Yes, that relates to, let's say, I was diagnosed with the
cancer, but it was a long, longtime ago and that time I had
(07:37):
minimum knowledge about Easternmedicine.
But I decided to do somethingalternative and I believe it
helped me.
And that knowledge that youknow, I mean the experience that
I had that time helped me tounderstand Eastern medicine more
and I would say I have moretools to apply for patients who
(08:06):
have been having chemotherapyradiation, because, you know, I
have my own experience and Ihave a knowledge of the Eastern
medicine that supports thesystem.
It's because, you know, in theEastern medicine, because you
(08:30):
know, in the Eastern medicine,we don't divide the body by,
let's say, brain, legs, handsand internal organs.
We see the system as a, youknow, is a universe, is a
network.
This is the main, you know ideaand big point to help people
with the cancer or someautoimmune disease.
Because you know it's adifferent, different concept
compared to Western medicine.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Oh my.
So do you think that the peoplethat are struggling with
autoimmune and cancer or tumorsit's because their energy is not
aligned?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I would say it's.
You know, in Chinese medicinethere is a concept Qi is first,
blood, second, so yang is first,yin is kind of, you know,
supporting the yang and whiteinverser.
There is, maybe you know, threeor four different aspects of
(09:23):
autoimmune problem and cancerproblem.
So I would say, of course, yes,it's an energy block in some
system.
It's uh, if the energy isblocked, it blocked the or
stagnate the blood flow, itdepends, you know, we just need
to find out where is the root ofthe blockage and because
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sometimes we see only branches,we don't see the pinpoint, you
know the target.
So that's why I said theobservation, it's number one.
We need to.
I mean, as a practitioner, Ineed to see the, the whole
picture, how the patient looks,uh, what's the like, the how,
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how is the uh skin color, how'sthe uh quality of the hair,
quality of the skin, if there is, you know, some spots on the
face, spots, spots on the hands,I mean it's observation.
It's a big, big, you know, likepart that helps me to target
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the problem.
I mean, with the diagnosis, ifwe need to support, let's say,
kidney channel, or we need tosupport spleen channel, or we
need to calm down the liver,because the liver is a manager
and it's a collector of theblood, like compared to the
(10:54):
spleen.
Spleen is a producer of theblood, so we just need to find
out where is the root and help.
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no and help.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, that's.
That's amazing and that'sinteresting because I, you know,
looking at Western medicine, wetend to, you know, since our
topic today is like infertilityand birth control, we can just
like go right into it.
When a woman is having acomplex time, you know, having
babies I think that that issueis really not looked at,
(11:30):
observed, as the way the detailsthat you're explaining.
I mean, it's looked at as likea cancer, it's looked at as like
a tumor or some type of like ayou know something, versus like
looking at it from an energeticperspective, a lifestyle
perspective, right, a DNAperspective.
So I want to say this that I'venoticed, as a human being and
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being around with lots of people, working with people, having
friends, that infertility ratesare increasing like there's no
other, like every other youngperson that you know is trying
to have a family is havingdifficulty becoming pregnant.
Are you noticing this as wellin your practice, that
(12:14):
infertility is just such anissue right now, under 30?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yes, and what is this ?
First of all, if you look atthe ages of, like, let's say I'm
talking about women right nowso they decided to have a baby
after I mean the majority ofthem they decided to have a baby
after 30s.
(12:38):
So I rarely see patients beforelet's say, 26, 27, 28.
Let's say, in my time weconsider the first pregnancy, I
mean the woman who has the firstpregnancy at 25, it's kind of,
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you know, a little um, um, kindof a little late.
I mean a little, you know, like, yes, uh, but now it's, we
would say, between 25 to 32.
It's kind of normal period.
But we need to understand thatyou know, our hormones level and
(13:23):
our fertility level is kind ofhaving a peak towards to the 28,
30, and then, you know,gradually goes down.
And most of my patients, ofcourse, most of my patients it's
after 32, sometimes it's 42, 40, 42, and it's the first
pregnancy.
They just start thinking aboutfirst pregnancy.
Of course it's going 40, 42,and it's the first pregnancy.
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They just start thinking aboutfirst pregnancy.
Of course it's going to be.
The rate of the infertility isgoing to be higher compared, you
know, like, let's say, even 20years ago.
This is number one and numbertwo.
You just said this is exactlylifestyle, said this is exactly
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lifestyle and that, um, we arelike women.
We became, you know, more,maybe muscular, yeah, you know,
doing almost the same job and,uh, and taking responsibilities
that you know, like the like men, men, that, yes.
So of course it affects on ourhormone level, estrogen level
and progesterone level why doyou think?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
because you're right we.
I think what we're talkingabout is that we want to be
equalized and we have just asmore responsibility, like men do
.
We're out out there working,we're everywhere and we can do
all these things.
We're women, but we can't doall of them together.
Well, so that is affecting us,but in what way do those
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stressors can we call themstressors?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yes, I think so yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
In what way do stressors cause infertility?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So you know I don't want to be right now is like a
more Western doctor.
Let me just talk as a Chinesemedicine doctor, because you
know patients and I'm practicingChinese medicine.
So again, we need to apply bytwo systems.
One system it's a liver,another system it's a kidney.
(15:30):
So before 40, 45, the mainorgan in our body I'm talking
about women women body it's aliver, because liver is
collecting the blood andsupplying the organs with the
blood and of course, you know,it's a producer of the hormones.
(15:53):
Liver is Liver, liver yes, butafter 45, 40, 45, sometimes it's
even 40.
I mean, I see patients with theearly menopausal stage, around
40, 42.
So, and the main organ in thatperiod of time it's kidney, and
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kidney, by time, is kind of, youknow, the kidney is a channel,
kidney is an organ.
It's kind of declining, they'rereally losing their volume,
they're really losing theirvolume, they're really losing
their tissue.
So basically, we need to justsee what the age the patient I
mean the patient age or thewomen age uh, where is she?
(16:38):
She's like on the liver side orshe's more already close, I
mean close to the kidney side,and we need to support this
system.
If it's a liver.
We need to support the liverbecause, you know, like stress,
uh, is I like work, um, and alot of women, you know they're
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running business.
Again it's a stress and youknow, uh, work and maybe lack of
sleep, lack of you know, um,everything, yeah, so it, if it
will affect on liver, so inliver became kind of stagnated.
We call this liver cheesestagnation.
It creates headaches, itcreates even you know that we
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call the syndrome PCOH.
So because of the liver isblocked, and if the liver is
blocked it blocks the flow inthe pelvic area.
This is number one.
So we need to unblock the liverto lower the stress level to,
you know, to give more bloodsupply.
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If we apply to the kidney, weneed to support the kidney
because the kidneys, they'rebecoming weak and cold.
So we need to give more essence, like support the essence.
So it's a different treatment.
So one of them it's kind ofdeficiency and excess and maybe
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heat.
Another one it's deficiency,cold, two different, right?
So that's why we can say, oh,we need to give the same
treatment for two different, youknow, like women with different
ages you know, like women withdifferent ages.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So, since we're on the topic of liver and PCOS and
you know some of the symptomsthe younger girls around 12, 13,
14, 15 that are struggling withlike menstrual cramps and heavy
menstrual cramps and they'regiven birth control to help with
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that heavy menstrual cramps andthey're given birth control to
help with that Is that a normalthing to do or is it something
to look at the liver of thesegirls and say maybe their body's
under stress, versus shovingmedicine down their throat like
birth control?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, I agree, because you know I would, given
the birth control.
I mean the idea of the birthcontrol, I mean taking the pills
of birth control.
Yes, it should be applied to.
You know the main business thatpills is managing.
(19:21):
So it's a birth control.
If you're talking about theyoung girls, that they have
cramps and sometimes they couldhave some cysts in the ovaries,
yes, again, this is the liver.
It's exactly liver, blood andliver.
(19:44):
We call it, I said, livercheese stagnation and sometimes
this stagnation creates, ofcourse you know, there is no
free flow in the pelvic area,the ovaries, and in the uterus
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and in the system that I mean inthe lining of the pelvic floor.
So just the floor became overlike stagnated and, given the
clinical presentation, it's apain.
So what we need to do, we needto relax the liver, to stimulate
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the blood flow in the pelvicarea and sometimes it could be
again.
It could be cold condition andit could be heat condition.
We just need to see thepresentation.
If it's cold, we use I believeyou remember we have been using
moxa.
It's a herb that we burn on theneedle, or there is a moxa
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stick that helps during themenstrual cramps, and in Chinese
medicine.
We have some herbs that unblock, as I said, unblock the liver
and stimulate the blood flowexactly in the pelvic area.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I think that a lot of mothers with young girls would
really appreciate knowing,appreciate knowing this, because
we're so led by lack ofknowledge and fear that so many
parents do give their younggirls birth control because they
have such pain.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Because they don't know.
You know they don't know.
So this is the problem of theeducation, again that it should
be, you know, maybe someeducational you know, like talk
or educational videos that helpyoung generation to understand
that besides, like, of course,we can switch if it's a critical
situation like you know,nothing help.
(21:42):
But we can go step by step.
We can start from thealternative medicine given, you
know, like acupuncture, againgiven herbs, and then if it did
not work we can switch to, youknow, to the more heavy you know
treatment, but we can startfrom the you know.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Learn how to put your socks onfirst, before your shoes.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I learned that, Elena .
What negative impact does birthcontrol have on the body of a
woman?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
You know, I would say you even can Google.
When you Google you can seethat the problem with the birth
control, that it helped, I meanit's um uh effect on the water
retention and water retention.
You know, like some women, thatthat they could have a uh
gaining the weight emotional,again emotional aspect of
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gaining weight and waterretention.
But basically it again affectson the liver channel and liver
venous blood.
So there is a kind of a sideeffect of it's not a secret.
You can just find out that theside effect of birth control
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it's a problem with the veinfloor, especially again on the
pelvic area and legs.
Vein, you know, could beinvolved too.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And what problems can occur from that.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So it's maybe the critical situation that could
happen.
It's thrombosis or, you knowlike in the future, like clots
in the big, you know, veins andit could affect, you know,
(23:46):
during you know, pregnancy, someyou know women could have with
the problem again in the pelvicarea.
It affects on the rectum, it'shemorrhoids and bleeding in the
pelvic area.
Um, because, first of all, umthe idea of, uh, birth control,
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it's lower the estrogen levelbecause you know we need to,
kind of you know like, um, stopovulation and also, I mean it's
decreased the estrogen andprogesterone.
Um, I just said about thecritical, you know know, sides.
But there is another side itaffects on the sexual life
because low level of theestrogen effect on the libido.
(24:34):
So it's kind of you know.
So what's the point of?
taking it no, you know, let'sjust say that that that time,
when they created birth control,it was kind of a revolutionary
step for women.
We just need to, you know, tounderstand, because for women,
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having sex usually leads to, youknow, I mean, that days have
been leading to having a baby,right, but the women, that days
have been depending on men.
Right now, we could, you know,be independent, we could run the
business, we can, you know,even raise the baby by ourselves
, but at times it was like, youknow, financial dependence,
(25:24):
emotional dependence, so, andyou know, I would say maybe, you
know, 20, 30 years ago, it waslike big, you know, big relief
for most of, you know, like,women, even for our mothers and
grandmothers, because you knowmothers and grandmothers,
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because you know they, you knowthere was some, um, high rate of
abortion and, uh, women death,and you know like, and young
women, you know they, justduring the abortion they had
some consequences and uh,afterwards, uh, you know,
infertility or death.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, elena.
Do you think that birth controlcan possibly cause infertility
if it's taken for a long time?
I don't want to say.
There's a lot of studies, I'veread research on that, but you
know, it's always good to talkto professionals and see what
their perspectives are too okay.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
So I don't want to say that it affects on the like
fertility one.
It affects on the fertilitybecause, again, you know if I'm
talking as a chinese doctor itaffects on the liver and I
already mentioned that the liveris a collector of the blood and
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it produces the hormones.
So if the liver is blocked,less blood I mean blood that
goes to the liver channel andless blood supply, of course
it's going to.
You know, like the pelvic area,it's not going to be priority
for the liver to supply and itcould create, you know, some
(27:10):
cysts in the ovaries or it couldbe, you know, problem with the
lining in the uterus.
So it's kind of yes and no, butyes because you know it affects
, affects the liver, liver,blood and liver channel.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
So some of the negative impacts of birth
control is that it impacts yourorgans negatively and especially
for women, it attacks the liver.
If it's taken for a long time,which we're understanding, that
liver helps us get pregnant.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yes, exactly, that's why you know there is a.
I mean I believe gynecologiststhey should explain that if
you're on the birth I mean notyou, someone on the birth
control it should be, you know,for five, like maximum five
years, and then it should besome checkup, maybe to switch to
another alternative birthcontrol.
(28:10):
It could be, you know, like acondom.
It could be.
You know there are a lot ofother options, of course.
Yes To cleanse yourself right,it's a problem with education.
The women I mean mean sometimeswomen they don't, they don't
know their choices.
Yeah, so they need to know howthat there are, you know, like
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non-hormone choice and birthcontrol, but for five years,
maybe you know five years itshould be one year to have kind
of a rest in time to renew thesystem, to reload the liver, to
reload the blood flow, so toreload the brain.
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It's just, you know, like forsome girls and some, you know,
women, it could take even 12months.
Some, you know women, it couldtake even 12 months.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, now that you are in more Eastern medicine,
from an honest perspective, howdo you feel about birth control?
Would you prescribe it now,even if you knew that Eastern
medicine existed?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
No, I would again, I would explain in other options.
So if the in other optionsworks, uh, even you know, like
condom, I would say it's.
In some cases it's more safebecause you know the kind of
protected, you know sex and uhwe have.
(29:39):
We just did not talk about somediseases that we could be, you
know, transfer yes, what about?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
moms are going to say , okay, fine.
So then how do I help my mom,my, my daughter, who has severe
pain?
She has awful heavy cramping,awful periods.
How do you argue this withthose types of mom?
I mean, is Chinese medicine ortraditional medicine really
effective in helping these younggirls who are having these
(30:07):
really heavy period pains?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I would recommend to find a good doctor, doctor of
Chinese medicine or practitionerof Chinese medicine.
Try herbs, try acupuncture.
I'm very sure it's gonna help.
At least you know, if not let'ssay 100%, but 80, 85%, it's
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going to be better and it'sgoing to affect on the.
Not only help is the painrelief, it's going to affect on
the mood as well, because youknow some women who have been
having cramps and pain duringmenstruation.
They kind of have some sort ofdepression Because when they're
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close to the period they havedepression.
Again, depression, it's aproblem of the liver channel.
So it applies to liver andliver channel, tmg.
Like you know some of youngwomen, they have a problem with
the pain and the headaches,migraines.
(31:14):
Again, it's a liver channel,liver, gallbladder.
So my recommendation startsfrom easy and more natural you
know treatments or help, andthen, if it did not work I mean
if it won't work you can, youknow, switch to Western medicine
.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
What herbs help with severe cramping?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
So it's basically herbs that we have a lot of
formulas and some formulas inthe formula.
We have herbs that helps topromote the blood circulation,
or we call them blood mover.
Uh, saffron it's the samefamily, so, but safflower, yeah,
(32:06):
safflower tea or saffron tea,really, you know, could really
help with the cramps.
Uh, but you I mean someone whohas this should take its regular
.
It's not just you know, I havecramps.
Let me just drink.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
No, no, I was just going to ask that question,
elena, and sorry to cut you off.
I wanted to add to that thatmany of us don't believe in
these types of herbs andmedicines because I think, as
people, we want instantgratification.
We want instant.
But what people are forgettingis that, yes, chinese medicine
is effective, or integrativemedicine or in traditional
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medicine is great, but you haveto be consistent.
It's not just that one timeyou're explaining like, oh, I
have cramps, let me drinksaffron tea, and it's going to
make it go away.
If you know that you have acertain symptom, you need to be
consistently drinking that tea,right?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
yes, and also we have a very great formula.
It's a combination.
Maybe when I pronounce itsounds a little weird we have a
formal shaoyao song and job ashaoyao song.
So these two formulas one ofthem, one of those clear the
heat, let's help to unblock theliver, I mean harmonize the
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liver channel, and soft uh, softflour tea, uh, will just help
during the menstruation tounblock the uh blood flow.
When there is a stagnation anda blood flow.
Yeah, yeah, of course it shouldbe um, some um, daily basis, uh
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, not treatment, like support.
I would say it's a support.
You're eating every day, right?
You're drinking every day, sothis is a part of your daily
routine.
And let's say, I know that Iwill have headaches if I don't
drink enough water.
So I'm just forcing myself andnot forcing, I'm just, you know,
(34:09):
like recommending myself todrink water.
So, the same as the herbs, itcould be tea, it could be pills.
I mean, it's not.
You know, right now we have theform, that very useful form.
It's like small beads or smallpills.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, easy to, you know, consume yeah, um, we from
you know our conversation.
We're understanding that birthcontrol does affect the liver of
a woman, which is primarilyresponsible for fertility, but
does birth control cause cancer?
What are your perspectives?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Um, this studies is not um, kind of kind of I let's
say it's weak so far they tryingto find, you know, like more uh
cases and more like percentage.
That it's could be true.
But again, I would say, cancerin general it's not only one,
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you know problem.
It's not about that I'm takingsomething or I'm not taking
something, it's a combination.
It's, as I said, it's acombination of set of mind
because, uh, let's say, inChinese medicine, everything
that we, um, when I do indiagnosis, I apply five elements
(35:34):
.
So five elements it's a fire,it's uh, uh like wood.
But each element has a emotion.
Let's say liver.
We have been talking a lot aboutliver, right?
So liver, it's anger.
I mean the emotion of the liver, it's anger.
So if the person angry all thetime and overthinking or have
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been having fear, their energyis going to be blocked in some
certain levels.
So it's like set of mind, andset of mind creates the blockage
in certain areas Less bloodcirculation and less blood
circulation collects let's callit some trash that the body
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should release.
But but body is collecting thattrash.
So, and this one, and, as I, wesaid that the uh, uh, birth
control can stagnate the liverand slow down the blood flow,
venous blood flow.
So you just can, you know,apply everything that I said.
And, of course, you know, if,like, set of mind, poor blood
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circulation, blockage andemotional aspect, all of this,
you know, creates a lifestylethat people, some people, you
know, even they don't care aboutwhat they're eating.
So, like these four elementswill, of course, will create
some problem.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So if someone comes to you for their infertility
dilemmas, do you ask them what'syour lifestyle like?
What are you eating?
What are you putting on yourbody?
Are you wearing perfumes?
Are you are those?
Are those things really?
Can those really causeinfertility in women?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
things really.
Can those really causeinfertility in women?
Yes, of course.
First of all, yes, I'm askingwhat your diet, what's the type
of your diet?
You, or maybe some people,don't follow any diet, but I'm
asking tell me about what youeat and what you don't eat at
all.
What about your and what youdon't eat at all?
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What about your, again, sugarconsumption, because the sugar
affects on the blood flow aswell and fertility level as well
.
Second, it's exercising, ofcourse.
You know, we in LA I don't know, I'm not talking about any
other part of the world, but inLA, all the time we're in the
car, right, we're sitting behindthe wheel, driving in the
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traffic, and again it's a stressand all of these aspects.
So again, when we have beensitting, we're blocking because
of the specific breathing.
We're blocking the diaphragm,specific breathing, we're
blocking the diaphragm.
Diaphragm is a muscle thathelps with the breathing.
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It helps to bring enough bloodfrom the liver channel to the
heart channel.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Because of the.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I mean, it's another subject.
I just want to say that sittingbehind the wheel is blocking
the muscle, the diaphragm, andcollects a lot of stagnated
blood flow in the pelvic area.
So of course, I'm asking aboutlifestyle, about exercising and
about diet.
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All these three aspects willaffect on the fertility because
of the, again, blood flowcirculation.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Can you explain to us how that blood flow, the lack
of the blood flow, circulation,affects us getting pregnant and
why is that important?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Because it will affect on the ovulation.
First, how, if it's a poorblood circulation, the ovaries
they're going to be, you know,will receive less blood flow,
will receive less hormonestimulation, and because the
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main idea for the ovaries it'smaking you know, like going
through the ovulation processright.
So if the blood flow is lessand all these you know
consequences, there is noovulation.
So no ovulation we're not goingto talk about, you know,
progesterone level and we're notgoing to talk about, I mean,
the lining is going to be thinin the uterus.
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Because all of this aspect willaffect on the lining and the
lining it's like an environmentthat should be warm, welcoming
and, again, it should haveenough blood.
Sometimes, you know, I do sometreatments for my patient.
(40:43):
They could have normalovulation, but the ut diagnosis
called uterus.
So it's a particular slowcirculation in the uterus and
making the lining is very thin.
Of course hormone level affectson the lining too, but
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environmental things like cold,like I said, that's why in
Chinese medicine we use theaspect of coldness and cold and
heat.
So less circulation couldcreate less warm environment in
the uterus.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
So it will be effect on the fertility level uterus so
and it will be effect on thefertility level.
Is that the same thing formiscarriages?
Because it's cold and thelining is thin?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yes, almost the same.
Yeah, and also it's um.
During the pregnancy the levelof the progesterone should be
higher, but it's not going tosome you know certain level.
And again, progesterone shouldcreate more heat, more warm
environment in the uterus.
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But if the progesterone levelgoes down, it's going to be
coldness in the uterus.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
And is the liver responsible for that?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Of course, because the liver creates you know that
hormones.
I mean it supports the ovaries,yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
So this is amazing and I'm learning so much as I
talk to you that you know we cansit here and we can talk about
birth control and all theresearch and one can say it's
not that bad, one can say it'sgood.
But ultimately, any type ofmedicine that a woman chooses to
put in their body whether evenif it's like thyroid medicine,
(42:37):
you know, or whatever forautoimmune, by the way, I'm
sorry, thyroid, it's a part ofthe liver too.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, for sure,liver and spleen.
That's what I'm learning, right.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
No, there is a kidney channel that should be like a
fire that support all theseorgans.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
And so, knowing this, I think,as women, we need to understand
that, no matter whether you'rechoosing, there's nothing wrong
with choosing to do medicine,birth control, whatever but it's
really an essential tounderstand that, in the long run
, it affects one of the mostimportant organs that help us
(43:21):
with our hormones, and that'sour liver.
Yes, and so we need to bereally mindful of what medicine
we're putting in our body.
Elena, how?
First of all, I want to ask youthis I have a daughter myself.
What?
How can I help my daughterhaving a healthier organ system,
(43:44):
or a reproductive organ systemas she's growing up?
What are some things that I cando as a mom to help her better
reproductive organs so that shenever comes across these types
of issues when she's ready to,you know, go through her
menstrual cycle and all thesethings?
Speaker 1 (44:03):
First of all, as a mom, you need to understand that
there is a menstruation, thathow it works, how it works, yes,
yes, and why we have it.
What's the purpose of the?
Speaker 2 (44:18):
menstruation.
Can you tell us?
We all know what it is.
We go through the pain.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
But do we know what it is?
Yeah, Second thing maybe Istill have a very old-fashioned
set of mind.
I still think that early sexuallife will affect on the
reproductive uh situation.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
We're all with you.
On my followers that meant canyou tell us how?
How does that?
Speaker 1 (44:45):
affect them.
Because you know, first of all,the body.
Let's say, if it's before, like18, uh, 17, 18, the body is not
ready.
The hormones is, I meaninternal organs, they are not
ready for, you know, to conceive.
I mean, maybe they are ready,but, uh, there is this kind of
(45:07):
separation between, um,energetic system and physical
system.
Uh, we need to, you know the,the brain and the person should
be mature enough to you know,understand, because the sexual,
you know, intercourse, it's,it's a process that it's not
(45:29):
just like having a food.
And I would start, probably,with this part to explain that
we have a menstrual cycle and wecould be pregnant any time,
especially before, let's say,because we're starting, you know
(45:52):
, our menstrual cycles, from 13,14, right, we started around
that age.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I'm hearing eight-year-olds now.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Sometimes, yes, Because, again, because of the
lifestyle, because of the diet,because of that we have a lot of
sugar in our diet hormones.
Yeah, added the earlymenstruation too, and social
media and all this.
You know things about socialmedia.
(46:24):
All of this it affects on, youknow on, because I tell, it's
not physical, you know aspect,there is an energetic aspect of
our, our system.
So, and second, there is asexual transmitted diseases that
still, you know, exist andsometimes, you know, I mean, I
(46:44):
still believe in chlamydiosis,urea plasmosis.
It's a combination of virus andbacterial form that could
affect on the fertility as welland sometimes it's asymptomatic
and we could not find, I mean,especially men, they could be
asymptomatic.
And having this, let's call themviruses, yeah, and having this,
you know, let's call themviruses, yeah.
(47:07):
So second thing, if let's sayit happens that the early sexual
, you know life, I would saymaybe it's better to use condom
or barrier stuff compared tobirth control, because at least
(47:31):
there is some protection, kindof protection, kind of a
protection, uh, yeah.
So I would start, you know,maybe from this point it should
be, you know, um, educational,friendly talk, not that, you
know, oh, you know you could bepregnant or you could have a
disease.
Not, uh, you know, likespreading the fear.
No, it should be like knowledge, knowledge, yeah, that the
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young girl would understand, ohokay, if I I'm choosing someone,
uh, but we kind of completelyforget about emotions, we just,
you know, talking as a teacher.
Yeah, Like you know, it's a,it's like a food that we have to
have it, no, first.
It's an emotional aspect, youknow that will support our liver
(48:18):
as well.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
That's right.
What are some of the foods thatyou are aware of that affect
female reproductive system?
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Sugar is number one, unfortunately, because sugar is
increasing the osmotic pressurein the blood and could create
that we have been talking aboutstagnation, could create
stagnation in the blood flow.
I mean in the pelvic area aswell, area as well.
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Second, it's, I would say, kindof artificial food that soy, I
mean soy meat or something likethat that is kind of created,
it's not natural, it doesn'texist in the nature.
It will affect on the again,because liver needs to detoxify
this and the way how we bring inthat stuff in the liver to
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detoxify.
We're going to use theseresources of the liver Alcohol
but right now people, I meanthey don't drink so much, they
have another, you know stuff.
It's uh, drugs and everythingthat relates to addiction too uh
, but again you know, I wouldsay number one for fertility.
(49:39):
I mean that could createinfertility.
It's a sugar, it's a high sugarlevel what about smoking, women
smoking.
Again, it's the same.
We are the same channel.
We are, you know, likeharassing the same channel, but
here it's a different situation.
It's from the lung.
It's the lung will be harassingthe liver.
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It's on the other side, becauseof the heat that creates I mean
the cigarette or vapes theycreate.
You know the heat that will gothrough lung channel to the
liver channel.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Ilana, have you seen a success rate with?
You know family that is tryingto get pregnant and you know
there's an infertility issue.
Does Chinese medicine genuinelyhelp with fertility?
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Yes.
Issue Does Chinese medicinegenuinely help with fertility?
Yes, I would say I have a lotof patients that most of them
they're going through IVFprocedures and of course it
increase fertility rate andbecause of that they could have
more.
They create more eggs in theovaries and maturity of the eggs
(50:52):
and I even recently I had apatient she have been going
through.
She have been freezing her eggsand it's a long way.
So the first time when she havebeen doing this.
The first trial it wasunsuccessful, but after the
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treatments I have been seeingher two times a week for like a
month and she got what shewanted.
Finally, she was really happybecause she was already close to
her 40s.
She was 39.
(51:33):
And of course, you know it's achance for her to be a mom in
the future because you know, aswe have been talking before, the
older we are, the kidneyessence, kidney channel is kind
of declining.
So yeah, that's amazing.
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Chinese medicine is definitelyhelps with the fertility.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
And why do you think it's not promoted more?
Then why are we so quick tojump to other options?
I mean, are we?
I don't know.
I mean not, it's not talkedabout.
Do you think it's not talkedabout as much?
Speaker 1 (52:18):
I think so because you know this um uh, there are
some in the Western, I meanWestern medicine.
Anyway, it's fast.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yes, oh seriously, it's fast, it's noticeable, you
know.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yes, and a lot of.
Of course.
You know a lot of money is kindof invested in research in
Western medicine than you knowin Chinese medicine, because
it's, again, you know, it's kindof a type of the business that
you know it's difficult tocompete.
I mean Chinese medicine can'tcompete with the Western because
(52:56):
of, again, money-wise andinsurances you know that covers,
I mean I can tell that some, Imean most of the insurances they
don't cover fertility.
I mean fertility treatments.
They cover pain, but they don'tcover fertility, I mean
fertility treatments, they coverpain but they don't cover
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fertility.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
So this is the answer .
Why?
Yeah, yeah, this is justfascinating to me, that I'm I.
This is why I love doing what Ido and I love learning that you
know, being a mom, too, of adaughter, that it's really
important for me to know thatshe has a little liver and that
liver needs to be nurtured andtaken care of, and her kidneys,
like.
We don't think about thingslike that.
When we think about infertility, we jump immediately into the
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reproductive system and, oh,something's off and it's like
you visualize it.
But when you look at it from adeeper perspective, something's
off and it's like you visualizeit.
But when you look at it from adeeper perspective, it's like
her organs are not properlyworking.
There's something there.
And we have people like youthat are knowledgeable and say,
hey, like this is what we needto attack, because you observe
(54:05):
the body, right, you check thetongue, this, that.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
So you immediately know yes, and of course you know
I don't want to say that Idisregard blood work.
No, I really ask, I mean ask mypatient to bring the blood work
, because I want to know, uh,what's going on in the system,
especially with the, like,hemoglobin level, this very time
level, this hormone level.
(54:30):
Of course it's important uh,because you know I can, it's
kind of a feedback that we canuh see after the treatments.
Let's say we have done somesessions and then, uh, after,
like at least it should be two,three months after the treatment
, that we can check the bloodwork and say, oh, okay, we have
(54:51):
this, you know situation.
And right now we jump to the new, completely new level, because
you know, even sometimes thevery simple thing that the women
I mean a woman could have avery low hemoglobin level anemia
.
So what kind of?
(55:12):
We can't talk about fertilityin this case.
We just need to.
You know it's already.
She has an essence deficiency,yeah, and blood deficiency.
We need to fix this first.
Chinese medicine can help thistoo.
We need to fix this first andthen help this too.
We need to fix this first, andthen, you know, we can talk
about fertility.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
The body.
Yeah, yeah, elena, for thepeople that do not believe in
acupuncture, okay, becausethere's this visual, and I've
heard a lot of people say thishow can sticking a needle in a
body help you with fertility?
Can you briefly explain to ushow does a needle help with
(55:55):
fertility, fertility?
Speaker 1 (55:57):
Okay For fertility.
We use points on the abdomen,on the lower part of the abdomen
, that kind of correspond toovaries and uterus, and we have
some points on the legs of theabdomen that kind of correspond
to ovaries and uterus and wehave some points on the legs.
So basically, you know our bodyit's like a network and it's a
(56:19):
freeways, because we havechannels, 12 channels, and they
kind of merge in each other.
But basically, what I'm doingand we are doing as
practitioners, we're placing theneedles that area that I said
that corresponds to ovaries anduterus.
We stimulate with the needleand electro-stimulation we
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stimulate that area, we attractmore blood flow there, we remove
the stagnation.
Just, you know, we're makingthe blood flow uh normal and uh
free.
Uh, second thing when the bloodflow is sufficient, it's warm up
the uterus too.
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Uh, after, when the stimulationis over, I apply Maxa.
Maxa is a herb that applies onthe needle, or I apply on ginger
it's a good treatment too.
Or direct Maxa, the same.
It stimulates more blood flowand it could help to keep the
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blood flow sufficient, at leastfor four more hours.
And these four more hours, youknow, will stimulate the ovaries
, will stimulate the uterus, theuterus lining.
So some points we have on thelegs as well, especially kidney
points.
It's close to the ankle area.
To stimulate that area we bringin more essence, we bring in
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more blood to the kidney.
So for fertility we need tobalance liver, kidney and
support the spleen, because thespleen is the main organ who is
going to transform and transportthat we have in our digestion
(58:16):
system.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
From this conversation.
Another thing that I'm pickingup is how important it is for
your body to be warm.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
It should be balanced because, you know, yeah, when,
let's say, we're getting older,especially women, we could
create some extra heat, right,that's why someone could have
hot flashes, but again, it's adeficiency aspect, we just need
to.
If it's too much, we need to.
If it's too much, we need toclear the heat, or we need to
(58:49):
support the kidney to make them,you know, uh, being more that
they could collect that heat andcan contain the heat inside
it's.
Uh, usually, you know, I am, uh.
There is a visual, very visualthing.
Let me just it's veryinteresting example, but this is
(59:13):
true.
So when we were, let's say,before 30s, 25, 30s, our kidney,
the volume of our kidney, islike that.
Can you see, yeah, big cup,right.
So after 40s, the volume of thekidney is declining.
(59:34):
It became smaller, likephysically smaller, but the heat
that the body creates it's thesame.
So there is a difference, right, that we can contain the heat
in this volume and contain theheat in this volume, yeah, so in
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this case we need to clear heatand support the kidney, kidney
essence, because it's our bankaccount.
Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Another thing that I've learnedfrom Chinese medicine, it's
that, um, it's important to notconsume ice water.
Yes, how, how effective is thison a woman's reproductive
system?
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
So this aspect affects on the spleen, because
the spleen, I suspect, effectson the spleen, because the
spleen it's a very gentle organand in order to, if, let's say,
we consume the ice water, thebody, the stomach, needs to
first of all, you know, likedigest, to bring the temperature
(01:00:46):
to the same level that our bodyhas, it takes energy.
So it takes a lot of energy.
In this situation the body isspending more time and energy to
digest this cold water and, ofcourse, you know, it will give
(01:01:08):
less to the pelvic area.
Pelvic area is going to be notpriority, so to receive the
blood and to receive the energy.
So it affects on the spleen,which is the message deliverer
and taker right.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Yes, yeah, because it will affect on transformation
and transformation.
There you go, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Transformation.
Wow.
So yeah, that's, that's onething Before we go.
I think I am going to speak forall moms when I ask this
question, you know, when they'relike little babies.
I particularly see a lot ofmoms that have their baby, like
baby girls, like barefoot andit's like really cold outside or
(01:01:55):
they're dressed very lightly.
Is it important to take care of?
I mean, like how, how importantit is to keep a baby girl, baby
girl, warm.
Is that harming theirreproductive system when they're
dressed lightly and it's coldoutside?
You hear our parents say it allthe time dress warm, it's
freezing.
(01:02:15):
But is this just a myth or isthis?
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
factual.
No, it's true For me, I usually, you know, could be a little,
not mad, but frustrated when Isee the baby with no shoe and no
socks.
So, as remember, I said whenyou asked me, uh, how we are
treating the um, how it's thefertility treatments looks like,
(01:02:41):
so we apply some needles on thefeet area, under the feet, it's
around the feet area Under thefeet, it's around the ankle area
, okay, around the ankle, andthis area it's on the feet, it's
a kidney.
Yeah, so, kidney they'resupposed to be warm, head it's
(01:03:03):
supposed to be cold.
So, and of course, you know, uh, in the future, this I don't
want to say 100%, but they couldhave UTI problem, uh, they
could have, you know, uh,coldness in the kidney and it
because I said, the kidneychannel, kidney organs, they
(01:03:25):
should be warm, they should be,should keep them warm.
Wow, I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I always, I always think about that.
I'm like, how is this mom, thischild is barefoot, she's
wearing a jacket and socks, butthe baby and I always think of
that.
I'm like these little babygirls need to be taken care of
like their.
Their private parts, especiallystarting from underneath the
feet to their like private parts, need to be warm.
That's what we learned, as youknow, our culture.
Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Yeah, but medicine applies this to the system, to
the channels kidney and liverand spleen.
Again, it's stopped from thefeet.
Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Wow.
So then the conclusion to thisis that majority of infertility
issues among women.
It doesn't matter whetheryou're in your 20s, 30s, 40s,
it's a high chance.
Obviously stressorsenvironmental stressors, but
also the organs of a woman,particularly the liver and
(01:04:25):
kidney and spleen right Need tobe looked at yes, they should
have very good support.
Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
So one of them should be great and another one should
be warm and supported Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
And that's what Chinese medicine supports.
It's finding that balanceversus these medications and
tests and things like that.
Wow, I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
You need to be in the harmony in five elements.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Yeah, definitely, because when you, when you look
at the past too, ourgrandparents were incredibly
fertile.
I mean, they have five, six,seven children.
But now that you're, it's justso different.
Now it's the chances aredecreasing.
So that's why I I wanted totalk about this and this is kind
of interesting and and you knowwhat, elena, I don't know if
(01:05:15):
you kind of agree with me, butback then the women knew how to
nurture their organs better.
They had all these holisticapproaches in their kitchens?
Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Yes, because we call it folk medicine, right?
Yeah, we could say, okay, ifsomeone has a problem like kind
of uti, but we haven't taken ourdrinking, it's a cranberry
juice or cranberry no leaves.
Yeah, right, so.
But now they're givenantibiotics and say, okay, take
(01:05:48):
antibiotics.
But actually I want to add tothe subject, because UTI could
be two types of UTI.
It could be like real UTI thatdeveloped because of the
infection, like real infection,and non-specific.
In Chinese medicine we call itemotional UTI.
(01:06:12):
You see, two different thingsand we need to give two
different remedies, right?
Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
That's amazing.
Chinese medicine always leadsto like energy.
That's, as you said, energy,emotion, the well-being of a
person.
That's fascinating.
Yeah, and again, what I'munderstanding is that, at the
end of the day, whether youchoose to birth control or not,
it does its effect on femaleorgans, which is primarily
(01:06:44):
needed for reproduction.
Exactly Fascinating.
Yes, thank you so much fortoday.
Exactly Fascinating.
Yes, thank you so much fortoday.
I appreciate you and yeah,you're amazing Wealth of
knowledge.
Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Thank you.
Thank you, I was really happy.
Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
I know me too.
Thank you guys for viewing.
I see patients with the early menopausal stage,
around 40, 42.
So, and the main organ in thatperiod of time it's kidney, and
kidney, by time is kind of youknow, the kidney is a channel
and kidney as an organ is kindof declining.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hello everyone.
So today's episode is with DrElena Gregorians.
Now Dr Gregorians is a OBGYN inher country, but here she is a
Chinese herbal medicine doctor,so she's an acupuncturist.
I really wanted someone of herexpertise to come on the show,
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who's been an OBGYN but also nowis studying and practicing
Chinese medicine.
And the topic is birth controland infertility.
And I really wanted to get intothis episode because I think
this is such a major pandemic inour country and it is and I'm
calling it that because everyother young girl that you see is
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on birth control and everyother young woman that wants to
start a family under 40, under30, is having infertility issues
.
So my concern is what is reallyhappening?
Is this environmental?
Is this food?
Is this something that we'redoing wrong?
And what?
What is causing all theseinfertilities?
Is birth control causinginfertility?
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Can birth control cause cancer?
So a lot of really importanttopics that I thought every
parent would want to know, everywoman would want to know.
So we dive into those subjects,um, and also we dive into the
essential organs of a woman andwhere it all stems from, like,
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what organs do we need tonurture?
And the subject was wonderfulbecause I learned so much, and I
know that I can nurture mydaughter better, knowing all of
these important knowledge thatshe obviously spreads.
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Gregorians Hi Elena.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
How are you, hi Jada, I'm okay.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Good, good, it's so nice to connect with you.
Thank you so much for acceptingmy invitation.
Thank you for invitation too,of course.
I'm so excited about this topicbecause this is something that
I think is not really talkedabout.
What we're about to get intoit's not discussed, it's not
(03:44):
really talked about, and I thinkit's important for people to
hear that there's many otherstories behind topics and it's
really good to educatethemselves before leaning into
other things.
But before we get in, can youjust briefly tell us about your
educational background?
I know that you practice inyour country as an OBGYN.
(04:05):
Here you are a masteracupuncturist in Chinese
medicine, so walk us throughyour education a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Okay, I graduated from Russian Medical Academy.
It's Ivanova Medical Academy.
I have been practicing asobstetrician and gynecologist
for 11 years, so basically, I'mfrom the Western field, I have a
Western background.
So I graduated in 2016 fromYosan University here it's a
(04:43):
university of Chinese medicine.
So and I'm practicing since Ihave been practicing since 2018
and I'm running my own business,panacea Acupuncture.
So I'm a licensed acupuncturistand master of Chinese medicine.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Do you think that there is, so do you think that
there's a difference between,like Western medicine, and I
believe that Chinese medicine isEastern medicine, correct?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yes.
So basically, yes, this is twodifferent worlds.
One of them it's a Western,completely Western, and another
one is Eastern.
But I can tell because myeducation that days I mean
during the educational time,training time we had some
elements in our program that Ihave been having in Chinese
(05:37):
medicine training.
So it's basically observation.
So the most important part inmy time that I have been
studying Western medicine, itwas an observation.
So the most important part inmy time that I have been
studying Western medicine, itwas an observation.
So in Chinese medicine,observation is number one too.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, which do you connect with more now that you
are, because they are two worlds.
But what do you connect withmore with Western or Eastern
medicine connect?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
with more with Western or Eastern medicine.
You know I you know I likeChinese concept that there is a
yin and yang.
Right, the yin it's like a kindof a dark side.
I mean, it's not dark, it's amaterial part, and yang it's an
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energetic part.
I would say Western and Easternit's yin and yang.
Western it's more material andEastern it's more about energy.
But when we connect them,infuse them with each other,
it's a very good blend that Ifeel that it helps me to treat
my patient and apply, you know,some Western diagnosis and a
Chinese medicine prospect.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Bringing on and having the knowledge in Western
and Eastern medicine.
Eastern practices, more onenergy, yes, but do you feel
that many healings whetheryou're dealing with cancer or
what have you you do you feel,as a professional, that eastern
medicine does its job withhealing a little bit more
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substantially and better versuswestern?
What's your opinion?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
okay, my opinion is a long time ago I have I had some
issue.
Uh, I had some issue.
Yes, that relates to, let's say, I was diagnosed with the
cancer, but it was a long, longtime ago and that time I had
(07:37):
minimum knowledge about Easternmedicine.
But I decided to do somethingalternative and I believe it
helped me.
And that knowledge that youknow, I mean the experience that
I had that time helped me tounderstand Eastern medicine more
and I would say I have moretools to apply for patients who
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have been having chemotherapyradiation, because, you know, I
have my own experience and Ihave a knowledge of the Eastern
medicine that supports thesystem.
It's because, you know, in theEastern medicine, because you
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know, in the Eastern medicine,we don't divide the body by,
let's say, brain, legs, handsand internal organs.
We see the system as a, youknow, is a universe, is a
network.
This is the main, you know ideaand big point to help people
with the cancer or someautoimmune disease.
Because you know it's adifferent, different concept
compared to Western medicine.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Oh my.
So do you think that the peoplethat are struggling with
autoimmune and cancer or tumorsit's because their energy is not
aligned?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I would say it's.
You know, in Chinese medicinethere is a concept Qi is first,
blood, second, so yang is first,yin is kind of, you know,
supporting the yang and whiteinverser.
There is, maybe you know, threeor four different aspects of
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autoimmune problem and cancerproblem.
So I would say, of course, yes,it's an energy block in some
system.
It's uh, if the energy isblocked, it blocked the or
stagnate the blood flow, itdepends, you know, we just need
to find out where is the root ofthe blockage and because
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sometimes we see only branches,we don't see the pinpoint, you
know the target.
So that's why I said theobservation, it's number one.
We need to.
I mean, as a practitioner, Ineed to see the, the whole
picture, how the patient looks,uh, what's the like, the how,
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how is the uh skin color, how'sthe uh quality of the hair,
quality of the skin, if there is, you know, some spots on the
face, spots, spots on the hands,I mean it's observation.
It's a big, big, you know, likepart that helps me to target
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the problem.
I mean, with the diagnosis, ifwe need to support, let's say,
kidney channel, or we need tosupport spleen channel, or we
need to calm down the liver,because the liver is a manager
and it's a collector of theblood, like compared to the
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spleen.
Spleen is a producer of theblood, so we just need to find
out where is the root and help.
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no and help.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, that's.
That's amazing and that'sinteresting because I, you know,
looking at Western medicine, wetend to, you know, since our
topic today is like infertilityand birth control, we can just
like go right into it.
When a woman is having acomplex time, you know, having
babies I think that that issueis really not looked at,
(11:30):
observed, as the way the detailsthat you're explaining.
I mean, it's looked at as likea cancer, it's looked at as like
a tumor or some type of like ayou know something, versus like
looking at it from an energeticperspective, a lifestyle
perspective, right, a DNAperspective.
So I want to say this that I'venoticed, as a human being and
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being around with lots of people, working with people, having
friends, that infertility ratesare increasing like there's no
other, like every other youngperson that you know is trying
to have a family is havingdifficulty becoming pregnant.
Are you noticing this as wellin your practice, that
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infertility is just such anissue right now, under 30?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yes, and what is this ?
First of all, if you look atthe ages of, like, let's say I'm
talking about women right nowso they decided to have a baby
after I mean the majority ofthem they decided to have a baby
after 30s.
(12:38):
So I rarely see patients beforelet's say, 26, 27, 28.
Let's say, in my time weconsider the first pregnancy, I
mean the woman who has the firstpregnancy at 25, it's kind of,
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you know, a little um, um, kindof a little late.
I mean a little, you know, like, yes, uh, but now it's, we
would say, between 25 to 32.
It's kind of normal period.
But we need to understand thatyou know, our hormones level and
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our fertility level is kind ofhaving a peak towards to the 28,
30, and then, you know,gradually goes down.
And most of my patients, ofcourse, most of my patients it's
after 32, sometimes it's 42, 40, 42, and it's the first
pregnancy.
They just start thinking aboutfirst pregnancy.
Of course it's going 40, 42,and it's the first pregnancy.
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They just start thinking aboutfirst pregnancy.
Of course it's going to be.
The rate of the infertility isgoing to be higher compared, you
know, like, let's say, even 20years ago.
This is number one and numbertwo.
You just said this is exactlylifestyle, said this is exactly
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lifestyle and that, um, we arelike women.
We became, you know, more,maybe muscular, yeah, you know,
doing almost the same job and,uh, and taking responsibilities
that you know, like the like men, men, that, yes.
So of course it affects on ourhormone level, estrogen level
and progesterone level why doyou think?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
because you're right we.
I think what we're talkingabout is that we want to be
equalized and we have just asmore responsibility, like men do
.
We're out out there working,we're everywhere and we can do
all these things.
We're women, but we can't doall of them together.
Well, so that is affecting us,but in what way do those
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stressors can we call themstressors?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yes, I think so yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
In what way do stressors cause infertility?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So you know I don't want to be right now is like a
more Western doctor.
Let me just talk as a Chinesemedicine doctor, because you
know patients and I'm practicingChinese medicine.
So again, we need to apply bytwo systems.
One system it's a liver,another system it's a kidney.
(15:30):
So before 40, 45, the mainorgan in our body I'm talking
about women women body it's aliver, because liver is
collecting the blood andsupplying the organs with the
blood and of course, you know,it's a producer of the hormones.
(15:53):
Liver is Liver, liver yes, butafter 45, 40, 45, sometimes it's
even 40.
I mean, I see patients with theearly menopausal stage, around
40, 42.
So, and the main organ in thatperiod of time it's kidney, and
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kidney, by time, is kind of, youknow, the kidney is a channel,
kidney is an organ.
It's kind of declining, they'rereally losing their volume,
they're really losing theirvolume, they're really losing
their tissue.
So basically, we need to justsee what the age the patient I
mean the patient age or thewomen age uh, where is she?
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She's like on the liver side orshe's more already close, I
mean close to the kidney side,and we need to support this
system.
If it's a liver.
We need to support the liverbecause, you know, like stress,
uh, is I like work, um, and alot of women, you know they're
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running business.
Again it's a stress and youknow, uh, work and maybe lack of
sleep, lack of you know, um,everything, yeah, so it, if it
will affect on liver, so inliver became kind of stagnated.
We call this liver cheesestagnation.
It creates headaches, itcreates even you know that we
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call the syndrome PCOH.
So because of the liver isblocked, and if the liver is
blocked it blocks the flow inthe pelvic area.
This is number one.
So we need to unblock the liverto lower the stress level to,
you know, to give more bloodsupply.
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If we apply to the kidney, weneed to support the kidney
because the kidneys, they'rebecoming weak and cold.
So we need to give more essence, like support the essence.
So it's a different treatment.
So one of them it's kind ofdeficiency and excess and maybe
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heat.
Another one it's deficiency,cold, two different, right?
So that's why we can say, oh,we need to give the same
treatment for two different, youknow, like women with different
ages you know, like women withdifferent ages.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So, since we're on the topic of liver and PCOS and
you know some of the symptomsthe younger girls around 12, 13,
14, 15 that are struggling withlike menstrual cramps and heavy
menstrual cramps and they'regiven birth control to help with
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that heavy menstrual cramps andthey're given birth control to
help with that Is that a normalthing to do or is it something
to look at the liver of thesegirls and say maybe their body's
under stress, versus shovingmedicine down their throat like
birth control?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, I agree, because you know I would, given
the birth control.
I mean the idea of the birthcontrol, I mean taking the pills
of birth control.
Yes, it should be applied to.
You know the main business thatpills is managing.
(19:21):
So it's a birth control.
If you're talking about theyoung girls, that they have
cramps and sometimes they couldhave some cysts in the ovaries,
yes, again, this is the liver.
It's exactly liver, blood andliver.
(19:44):
We call it, I said, livercheese stagnation and sometimes
this stagnation creates, ofcourse you know, there is no
free flow in the pelvic area,the ovaries, and in the uterus
(20:04):
and in the system that I mean inthe lining of the pelvic floor.
So just the floor became overlike stagnated and, given the
clinical presentation, it's apain.
So what we need to do, we needto relax the liver, to stimulate
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the blood flow in the pelvicarea and sometimes it could be
again.
It could be cold condition andit could be heat condition.
We just need to see thepresentation.
If it's cold, we use I believeyou remember we have been using
moxa.
It's a herb that we burn on theneedle, or there is a moxa
(20:46):
stick that helps during themenstrual cramps, and in Chinese
medicine.
We have some herbs that unblock, as I said, unblock the liver
and stimulate the blood flowexactly in the pelvic area.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I think that a lot of mothers with young girls would
really appreciate knowing,appreciate knowing this, because
we're so led by lack ofknowledge and fear that so many
parents do give their younggirls birth control because they
have such pain.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Because they don't know.
You know they don't know.
So this is the problem of theeducation, again that it should
be, you know, maybe someeducational you know, like talk
or educational videos that helpyoung generation to understand
that besides, like, of course,we can switch if it's a critical
situation like you know,nothing help.
(21:42):
But we can go step by step.
We can start from thealternative medicine given, you
know, like acupuncture, againgiven herbs, and then if it did
not work we can switch to, youknow, to the more heavy you know
treatment, but we can startfrom the you know.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Learn how to put your socks onfirst, before your shoes.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I learned that, Elena .
What negative impact does birthcontrol have on the body of a
woman?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
You know, I would say you even can Google.
When you Google you can seethat the problem with the birth
control, that it helped, I meanit's um uh effect on the water
retention and water retention.
You know, like some women, thatthat they could have a uh
gaining the weight emotional,again emotional aspect of
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gaining weight and waterretention.
But basically it again affectson the liver channel and liver
venous blood.
So there is a kind of a sideeffect of it's not a secret.
You can just find out that theside effect of birth control
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it's a problem with the veinfloor, especially again on the
pelvic area and legs.
Vein, you know, could beinvolved too.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And what problems can occur from that.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So it's maybe the critical situation that could
happen.
It's thrombosis or, you knowlike in the future, like clots
in the big, you know, veins andit could affect, you know,
(23:46):
during you know, pregnancy, someyou know women could have with
the problem again in the pelvicarea.
It affects on the rectum, it'shemorrhoids and bleeding in the
pelvic area.
Um, because, first of all, umthe idea of, uh, birth control,
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it's lower the estrogen levelbecause you know we need to,
kind of you know like, um, stopovulation and also, I mean it's
decreased the estrogen andprogesterone.
Um, I just said about thecritical, you know know, sides.
But there is another side itaffects on the sexual life
because low level of theestrogen effect on the libido.
(24:34):
So it's kind of you know.
So what's the point of?
taking it no, you know, let'sjust say that that that time,
when they created birth control,it was kind of a revolutionary
step for women.
We just need to, you know, tounderstand, because for women,
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having sex usually leads to, youknow, I mean, that days have
been leading to having a baby,right, but the women, that days
have been depending on men.
Right now, we could, you know,be independent, we could run the
business, we can, you know,even raise the baby by ourselves
, but at times it was like, youknow, financial dependence,
(25:24):
emotional dependence, so, andyou know, I would say maybe, you
know, 20, 30 years ago, it waslike big, you know, big relief
for most of, you know, like,women, even for our mothers and
grandmothers, because you knowmothers and grandmothers,
(25:47):
because you know they, you knowthere was some, um, high rate of
abortion and, uh, women death,and you know like, and young
women, you know they, justduring the abortion they had
some consequences and uh,afterwards, uh, you know,
infertility or death.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, elena.
Do you think that birth controlcan possibly cause infertility
if it's taken for a long time?
I don't want to say.
There's a lot of studies, I'veread research on that, but you
know, it's always good to talkto professionals and see what
their perspectives are too okay.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
So I don't want to say that it affects on the like
fertility one.
It affects on the fertilitybecause, again, you know if I'm
talking as a chinese doctor itaffects on the liver and I
already mentioned that the liveris a collector of the blood and
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it produces the hormones.
So if the liver is blocked,less blood I mean blood that
goes to the liver channel andless blood supply, of course
it's going to.
You know, like the pelvic area,it's not going to be priority
for the liver to supply and itcould create, you know, some
(27:10):
cysts in the ovaries or it couldbe, you know, problem with the
lining in the uterus.
So it's kind of yes and no, butyes because you know it affects
, affects the liver, liver,blood and liver channel.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
So some of the negative impacts of birth
control is that it impacts yourorgans negatively and especially
for women, it attacks the liver.
If it's taken for a long time,which we're understanding, that
liver helps us get pregnant.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yes, exactly, that's why you know there is a.
I mean I believe gynecologiststhey should explain that if
you're on the birth I mean notyou, someone on the birth
control it should be, you know,for five, like maximum five
years, and then it should besome checkup, maybe to switch to
another alternative birthcontrol.
(28:10):
It could be, you know, like acondom.
It could be.
You know there are a lot ofother options, of course.
Yes To cleanse yourself right,it's a problem with education.
The women I mean mean sometimeswomen they don't, they don't
know their choices.
Yeah, so they need to know howthat there are, you know, like
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non-hormone choice and birthcontrol, but for five years,
maybe you know five years itshould be one year to have kind
of a rest in time to renew thesystem, to reload the liver, to
reload the blood flow, so toreload the brain.
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It's just, you know, like forsome girls and some, you know,
women, it could take even 12months.
Some, you know women, it couldtake even 12 months.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, now that you are in more Eastern medicine,
from an honest perspective, howdo you feel about birth control?
Would you prescribe it now,even if you knew that Eastern
medicine existed?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
No, I would again, I would explain in other options.
So if the in other optionsworks, uh, even you know, like
condom, I would say it's.
In some cases it's more safebecause you know the kind of
protected, you know sex and uhwe have.
(29:39):
We just did not talk about somediseases that we could be, you
know, transfer yes, what about?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
moms are going to say , okay, fine.
So then how do I help my mom,my, my daughter, who has severe
pain?
She has awful heavy cramping,awful periods.
How do you argue this withthose types of mom?
I mean, is Chinese medicine ortraditional medicine really
effective in helping these younggirls who are having these
(30:07):
really heavy period pains?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I would recommend to find a good doctor, doctor of
Chinese medicine or practitionerof Chinese medicine.
Try herbs, try acupuncture.
I'm very sure it's gonna help.
At least you know, if not let'ssay 100%, but 80, 85%, it's
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going to be better and it'sgoing to affect on the.
Not only help is the painrelief, it's going to affect on
the mood as well, because youknow some women who have been
having cramps and pain duringmenstruation.
They kind of have some sort ofdepression Because when they're
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close to the period they havedepression.
Again, depression, it's aproblem of the liver channel.
So it applies to liver andliver channel, tmg.
Like you know some of youngwomen, they have a problem with
the pain and the headaches,migraines.
(31:14):
Again, it's a liver channel,liver, gallbladder.
So my recommendation startsfrom easy and more natural you
know treatments or help, andthen, if it did not work I mean
if it won't work you can, youknow, switch to Western medicine
.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
What herbs help with severe cramping?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
So it's basically herbs that we have a lot of
formulas and some formulas inthe formula.
We have herbs that helps topromote the blood circulation,
or we call them blood mover.
Uh, saffron it's the samefamily, so, but safflower, yeah,
(32:06):
safflower tea or saffron tea,really, you know, could really
help with the cramps.
Uh, but you I mean someone whohas this should take its regular
.
It's not just you know, I havecramps.
Let me just drink.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
No, no, I was just going to ask that question,
elena, and sorry to cut you off.
I wanted to add to that thatmany of us don't believe in
these types of herbs andmedicines because I think, as
people, we want instantgratification.
We want instant.
But what people are forgettingis that, yes, chinese medicine
is effective, or integrativemedicine or in traditional
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medicine is great, but you haveto be consistent.
It's not just that one timeyou're explaining like, oh, I
have cramps, let me drinksaffron tea, and it's going to
make it go away.
If you know that you have acertain symptom, you need to be
consistently drinking that tea,right?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
yes, and also we have a very great formula.
It's a combination.
Maybe when I pronounce itsounds a little weird we have a
formal shaoyao song and job ashaoyao song.
So these two formulas one ofthem, one of those clear the
heat, let's help to unblock theliver, I mean harmonize the
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liver channel, and soft uh, softflour tea, uh, will just help
during the menstruation tounblock the uh blood flow.
When there is a stagnation anda blood flow.
Yeah, yeah, of course it shouldbe um, some um, daily basis, uh
(33:45):
, not treatment, like support.
I would say it's a support.
You're eating every day, right?
You're drinking every day, sothis is a part of your daily
routine.
And let's say, I know that Iwill have headaches if I don't
drink enough water.
So I'm just forcing myself andnot forcing, I'm just, you know,
(34:09):
like recommending myself todrink water.
So, the same as the herbs, itcould be tea, it could be pills.
I mean, it's not.
You know, right now we have theform, that very useful form.
It's like small beads or smallpills.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, easy to, you know, consume yeah, um, we from
you know our conversation.
We're understanding that birthcontrol does affect the liver of
a woman, which is primarilyresponsible for fertility, but
does birth control cause cancer?
What are your perspectives?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Um, this studies is not um, kind of kind of I let's
say it's weak so far they tryingto find, you know, like more uh
cases and more like percentage.
That it's could be true.
But again, I would say, cancerin general it's not only one,
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you know problem.
It's not about that I'm takingsomething or I'm not taking
something, it's a combination.
It's, as I said, it's acombination of set of mind
because, uh, let's say, inChinese medicine, everything
that we, um, when I do indiagnosis, I apply five elements
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.
So five elements it's a fire,it's uh, uh like wood.
But each element has a emotion.
Let's say liver.
We have been talking a lot aboutliver, right?
So liver, it's anger.
I mean the emotion of the liver, it's anger.
So if the person angry all thetime and overthinking or have
(36:00):
been having fear, their energyis going to be blocked in some
certain levels.
So it's like set of mind, andset of mind creates the blockage
in certain areas Less bloodcirculation and less blood
circulation collects let's callit some trash that the body
(36:24):
should release.
But but body is collecting thattrash.
So, and this one, and, as I, wesaid that the uh, uh, birth
control can stagnate the liverand slow down the blood flow,
venous blood flow.
So you just can, you know,apply everything that I said.
And, of course, you know, if,like, set of mind, poor blood
(36:48):
circulation, blockage andemotional aspect, all of this,
you know, creates a lifestylethat people, some people, you
know, even they don't care aboutwhat they're eating.
So, like these four elementswill, of course, will create
some problem.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So if someone comes to you for their infertility
dilemmas, do you ask them what'syour lifestyle like?
What are you eating?
What are you putting on yourbody?
Are you wearing perfumes?
Are you are those?
Are those things really?
Can those really causeinfertility in women?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
things really.
Can those really causeinfertility in women?
Yes, of course.
First of all, yes, I'm askingwhat your diet, what's the type
of your diet?
You, or maybe some people,don't follow any diet, but I'm
asking tell me about what youeat and what you don't eat at
all.
What about your and what youdon't eat at all?
(37:47):
What about your, again, sugarconsumption, because the sugar
affects on the blood flow aswell and fertility level as well
.
Second, it's exercising, ofcourse.
You know, we in LA I don't know, I'm not talking about any
other part of the world, but inLA, all the time we're in the
car, right, we're sitting behindthe wheel, driving in the
(38:10):
traffic, and again it's a stressand all of these aspects.
So again, when we have beensitting, we're blocking because
of the specific breathing.
We're blocking the diaphragm,specific breathing, we're
blocking the diaphragm.
Diaphragm is a muscle thathelps with the breathing.
(38:32):
It helps to bring enough bloodfrom the liver channel to the
heart channel.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Because of the.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I mean, it's another subject.
I just want to say that sittingbehind the wheel is blocking
the muscle, the diaphragm, andcollects a lot of stagnated
blood flow in the pelvic area.
So of course, I'm asking aboutlifestyle, about exercising and
about diet.
(39:04):
All these three aspects willaffect on the fertility because
of the, again, blood flowcirculation.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Can you explain to us how that blood flow, the lack
of the blood flow, circulation,affects us getting pregnant and
why is that important?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Because it will affect on the ovulation.
First, how, if it's a poorblood circulation, the ovaries
they're going to be, you know,will receive less blood flow,
will receive less hormonestimulation, and because the
(39:55):
main idea for the ovaries it'smaking you know, like going
through the ovulation processright.
So if the blood flow is lessand all these you know
consequences, there is noovulation.
So no ovulation we're not goingto talk about, you know,
progesterone level and we're notgoing to talk about, I mean,
the lining is going to be thinin the uterus.
(40:15):
Because all of this aspect willaffect on the lining and the
lining it's like an environmentthat should be warm, welcoming
and, again, it should haveenough blood.
Sometimes, you know, I do sometreatments for my patient.
(40:43):
They could have normalovulation, but the ut diagnosis
called uterus.
So it's a particular slowcirculation in the uterus and
making the lining is very thin.
Of course hormone level affectson the lining too, but
(41:05):
environmental things like cold,like I said, that's why in
Chinese medicine we use theaspect of coldness and cold and
heat.
So less circulation couldcreate less warm environment in
the uterus.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
So it will be effect on the fertility level uterus so
and it will be effect on thefertility level.
Is that the same thing formiscarriages?
Because it's cold and thelining is thin?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yes, almost the same.
Yeah, and also it's um.
During the pregnancy the levelof the progesterone should be
higher, but it's not going tosome you know certain level.
And again, progesterone shouldcreate more heat, more warm
environment in the uterus.
(41:55):
But if the progesterone levelgoes down, it's going to be
coldness in the uterus.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
And is the liver responsible for that?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Of course, because the liver creates you know that
hormones.
I mean it supports the ovaries,yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
So this is amazing and I'm learning so much as I
talk to you that you know we cansit here and we can talk about
birth control and all theresearch and one can say it's
not that bad, one can say it'sgood.
But ultimately, any type ofmedicine that a woman chooses to
put in their body whether evenif it's like thyroid medicine,
(42:37):
you know, or whatever forautoimmune, by the way, I'm
sorry, thyroid, it's a part ofthe liver too.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, for sure,liver and spleen.
That's what I'm learning, right.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
No, there is a kidney channel that should be like a
fire that support all theseorgans.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
And so, knowing this, I think,as women, we need to understand
that, no matter whether you'rechoosing, there's nothing wrong
with choosing to do medicine,birth control, whatever but it's
really an essential tounderstand that, in the long run
, it affects one of the mostimportant organs that help us
(43:21):
with our hormones, and that'sour liver.
Yes, and so we need to bereally mindful of what medicine
we're putting in our body.
Elena, how?
First of all, I want to ask youthis I have a daughter myself.
What?
How can I help my daughterhaving a healthier organ system,
(43:44):
or a reproductive organ systemas she's growing up?
What are some things that I cando as a mom to help her better
reproductive organs so that shenever comes across these types
of issues when she's ready to,you know, go through her
menstrual cycle and all thesethings?
Speaker 1 (44:03):
First of all, as a mom, you need to understand that
there is a menstruation, thathow it works, how it works, yes,
yes, and why we have it.
What's the purpose of the?
Speaker 2 (44:18):
menstruation.
Can you tell us?
We all know what it is.
We go through the pain.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
But do we know what it is?
Yeah, Second thing maybe Istill have a very old-fashioned
set of mind.
I still think that early sexuallife will affect on the
reproductive uh situation.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
We're all with you.
On my followers that meant canyou tell us how?
How does that?
Speaker 1 (44:45):
affect them.
Because you know, first of all,the body.
Let's say, if it's before, like18, uh, 17, 18, the body is not
ready.
The hormones is, I meaninternal organs, they are not
ready for, you know, to conceive.
I mean, maybe they are ready,but, uh, there is this kind of
(45:07):
separation between, um,energetic system and physical
system.
Uh, we need to, you know the,the brain and the person should
be mature enough to you know,understand, because the sexual,
you know, intercourse, it's,it's a process that it's not
(45:29):
just like having a food.
And I would start, probably,with this part to explain that
we have a menstrual cycle and wecould be pregnant any time,
especially before, let's say,because we're starting, you know
(45:52):
, our menstrual cycles, from 13,14, right, we started around
that age.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I'm hearing eight-year-olds now.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Sometimes, yes, Because, again, because of the
lifestyle, because of the diet,because of that we have a lot of
sugar in our diet hormones.
Yeah, added the earlymenstruation too, and social
media and all this.
You know things about socialmedia.
(46:24):
All of this it affects on, youknow on, because I tell, it's
not physical, you know aspect,there is an energetic aspect of
our, our system.
So, and second, there is asexual transmitted diseases that
still, you know, exist andsometimes, you know, I mean, I
(46:44):
still believe in chlamydiosis,urea plasmosis.
It's a combination of virus andbacterial form that could
affect on the fertility as welland sometimes it's asymptomatic
and we could not find, I mean,especially men, they could be
asymptomatic.
And having this, let's call themviruses, yeah, and having this,
you know, let's call themviruses, yeah.
(47:07):
So second thing, if let's sayit happens that the early sexual
, you know life, I would saymaybe it's better to use condom
or barrier stuff compared tobirth control, because at least
(47:31):
there is some protection, kindof protection, kind of a
protection, uh, yeah.
So I would start, you know,maybe from this point it should
be, you know, um, educational,friendly talk, not that, you
know, oh, you know you could bepregnant or you could have a
disease.
Not, uh, you know, likespreading the fear.
No, it should be like knowledge, knowledge, yeah, that the
(47:55):
young girl would understand, ohokay, if I I'm choosing someone,
uh, but we kind of completelyforget about emotions, we just,
you know, talking as a teacher.
Yeah, Like you know, it's a,it's like a food that we have to
have it, no, first.
It's an emotional aspect, youknow that will support our liver
(48:18):
as well.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
That's right.
What are some of the foods thatyou are aware of that affect
female reproductive system?
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Sugar is number one, unfortunately, because sugar is
increasing the osmotic pressurein the blood and could create
that we have been talking aboutstagnation, could create
stagnation in the blood flow.
I mean in the pelvic area aswell, area as well.
(48:55):
Second, it's, I would say, kindof artificial food that soy, I
mean soy meat or something likethat that is kind of created,
it's not natural, it doesn'texist in the nature.
It will affect on the again,because liver needs to detoxify
this and the way how we bring inthat stuff in the liver to
(49:19):
detoxify.
We're going to use theseresources of the liver Alcohol
but right now people, I meanthey don't drink so much, they
have another, you know stuff.
It's uh, drugs and everythingthat relates to addiction too uh
, but again you know, I wouldsay number one for fertility.
(49:39):
I mean that could createinfertility.
It's a sugar, it's a high sugarlevel what about smoking, women
smoking.
Again, it's the same.
We are the same channel.
We are, you know, likeharassing the same channel, but
here it's a different situation.
It's from the lung.
It's the lung will be harassingthe liver.
(50:00):
It's on the other side, becauseof the heat that creates I mean
the cigarette or vapes theycreate.
You know the heat that will gothrough lung channel to the
liver channel.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Ilana, have you seen a success rate with?
You know family that is tryingto get pregnant and you know
there's an infertility issue.
Does Chinese medicine genuinelyhelp with fertility?
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Yes.
Issue Does Chinese medicinegenuinely help with fertility?
Yes, I would say I have a lotof patients that most of them
they're going through IVFprocedures and of course it
increase fertility rate andbecause of that they could have
more.
They create more eggs in theovaries and maturity of the eggs
(50:52):
and I even recently I had apatient she have been going
through.
She have been freezing her eggsand it's a long way.
So the first time when she havebeen doing this.
The first trial it wasunsuccessful, but after the
(51:12):
treatments I have been seeingher two times a week for like a
month and she got what shewanted.
Finally, she was really happybecause she was already close to
her 40s.
She was 39.
(51:33):
And of course, you know it's achance for her to be a mom in
the future because you know, aswe have been talking before, the
older we are, the kidneyessence, kidney channel is kind
of declining.
So yeah, that's amazing.
(51:54):
Chinese medicine is definitelyhelps with the fertility.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
And why do you think it's not promoted more?
Then why are we so quick tojump to other options?
I mean, are we?
I don't know.
I mean not, it's not talkedabout.
Do you think it's not talkedabout as much?
Speaker 1 (52:18):
I think so because you know this um uh, there are
some in the Western, I meanWestern medicine.
Anyway, it's fast.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yes, oh seriously, it's fast, it's noticeable, you
know.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yes, and a lot of.
Of course.
You know a lot of money is kindof invested in research in
Western medicine than you knowin Chinese medicine, because
it's, again, you know, it's kindof a type of the business that
you know it's difficult tocompete.
I mean Chinese medicine can'tcompete with the Western because
(52:56):
of, again, money-wise andinsurances you know that covers,
I mean I can tell that some, Imean most of the insurances they
don't cover fertility.
I mean fertility treatments.
They cover pain, but they don'tcover fertility, I mean
fertility treatments, they coverpain but they don't cover
(53:20):
fertility.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
So this is the answer .
Why?
Yeah, yeah, this is justfascinating to me, that I'm I.
This is why I love doing what Ido and I love learning that you
know, being a mom, too, of adaughter, that it's really
important for me to know thatshe has a little liver and that
liver needs to be nurtured andtaken care of, and her kidneys,
like.
We don't think about thingslike that.
When we think about infertility, we jump immediately into the
(53:42):
reproductive system and, oh,something's off and it's like
you visualize it.
But when you look at it from adeeper perspective, something's
off and it's like you visualizeit.
But when you look at it from adeeper perspective, it's like
her organs are not properlyworking.
There's something there.
And we have people like youthat are knowledgeable and say,
hey, like this is what we needto attack, because you observe
(54:05):
the body, right, you check thetongue, this, that.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
So you immediately know yes, and of course you know
I don't want to say that Idisregard blood work.
No, I really ask, I mean ask mypatient to bring the blood work
, because I want to know, uh,what's going on in the system,
especially with the, like,hemoglobin level, this very time
level, this hormone level.
(54:30):
Of course it's important uh,because you know I can, it's
kind of a feedback that we canuh see after the treatments.
Let's say we have done somesessions and then, uh, after,
like at least it should be two,three months after the treatment
, that we can check the bloodwork and say, oh, okay, we have
(54:51):
this, you know situation.
And right now we jump to the new, completely new level, because
you know, even sometimes thevery simple thing that the women
I mean a woman could have avery low hemoglobin level anemia
.
So what kind of?
(55:12):
We can't talk about fertilityin this case.
We just need to.
You know it's already.
She has an essence deficiency,yeah, and blood deficiency.
We need to fix this first.
Chinese medicine can help thistoo.
We need to fix this first andthen help this too.
We need to fix this first, andthen, you know, we can talk
about fertility.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
The body.
Yeah, yeah, elena, for thepeople that do not believe in
acupuncture, okay, becausethere's this visual, and I've
heard a lot of people say thishow can sticking a needle in a
body help you with fertility?
Can you briefly explain to ushow does a needle help with
(55:55):
fertility, fertility?
Speaker 1 (55:57):
Okay For fertility.
We use points on the abdomen,on the lower part of the abdomen
, that kind of correspond toovaries and uterus, and we have
some points on the legs of theabdomen that kind of correspond
to ovaries and uterus and wehave some points on the legs.
So basically, you know our bodyit's like a network and it's a
(56:19):
freeways, because we havechannels, 12 channels, and they
kind of merge in each other.
But basically, what I'm doingand we are doing as
practitioners, we're placing theneedles that area that I said
that corresponds to ovaries anduterus.
We stimulate with the needleand electro-stimulation we
(56:44):
stimulate that area, we attractmore blood flow there, we remove
the stagnation.
Just, you know, we're makingthe blood flow uh normal and uh
free.
Uh, second thing when the bloodflow is sufficient, it's warm up
the uterus too.
(57:04):
Uh, after, when the stimulationis over, I apply Maxa.
Maxa is a herb that applies onthe needle, or I apply on ginger
it's a good treatment too.
Or direct Maxa, the same.
It stimulates more blood flowand it could help to keep the
(57:31):
blood flow sufficient, at leastfor four more hours.
And these four more hours, youknow, will stimulate the ovaries
, will stimulate the uterus, theuterus lining.
So some points we have on thelegs as well, especially kidney
points.
It's close to the ankle area.
To stimulate that area we bringin more essence, we bring in
(57:55):
more blood to the kidney.
So for fertility we need tobalance liver, kidney and
support the spleen, because thespleen is the main organ who is
going to transform and transportthat we have in our digestion
(58:16):
system.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
From this conversation.
Another thing that I'm pickingup is how important it is for
your body to be warm.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
It should be balanced because, you know, yeah, when,
let's say, we're getting older,especially women, we could
create some extra heat, right,that's why someone could have
hot flashes, but again, it's adeficiency aspect, we just need
to.
If it's too much, we need to.
If it's too much, we need toclear the heat, or we need to
(58:49):
support the kidney to make them,you know, uh, being more that
they could collect that heat andcan contain the heat inside
it's.
Uh, usually, you know, I am, uh.
There is a visual, very visualthing.
Let me just it's veryinteresting example, but this is
(59:13):
true.
So when we were, let's say,before 30s, 25, 30s, our kidney,
the volume of our kidney, islike that.
Can you see, yeah, big cup,right.
So after 40s, the volume of thekidney is declining.
(59:34):
It became smaller, likephysically smaller, but the heat
that the body creates it's thesame.
So there is a difference, right, that we can contain the heat
in this volume and contain theheat in this volume, yeah, so in
(59:55):
this case we need to clear heatand support the kidney, kidney
essence, because it's our bankaccount.
Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Another thing that I've learnedfrom Chinese medicine, it's
that, um, it's important to notconsume ice water.
Yes, how, how effective is thison a woman's reproductive
system?
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
So this aspect affects on the spleen, because
the spleen, I suspect, effectson the spleen, because the
spleen it's a very gentle organand in order to, if, let's say,
we consume the ice water, thebody, the stomach, needs to
first of all, you know, likedigest, to bring the temperature
(01:00:46):
to the same level that our bodyhas, it takes energy.
So it takes a lot of energy.
In this situation the body isspending more time and energy to
digest this cold water and, ofcourse, you know, it will give
(01:01:08):
less to the pelvic area.
Pelvic area is going to be notpriority, so to receive the
blood and to receive the energy.
So it affects on the spleen,which is the message deliverer
and taker right.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Yes, yeah, because it will affect on transformation
and transformation.
There you go, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Transformation.
Wow.
So yeah, that's, that's onething Before we go.
I think I am going to speak forall moms when I ask this
question, you know, when they'relike little babies.
I particularly see a lot ofmoms that have their baby, like
baby girls, like barefoot andit's like really cold outside or
(01:01:55):
they're dressed very lightly.
Is it important to take care of?
I mean, like how, how importantit is to keep a baby girl, baby
girl, warm.
Is that harming theirreproductive system when they're
dressed lightly and it's coldoutside?
You hear our parents say it allthe time dress warm, it's
freezing.
(01:02:15):
But is this just a myth or isthis?
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
factual.
No, it's true For me, I usually, you know, could be a little,
not mad, but frustrated when Isee the baby with no shoe and no
socks.
So, as remember, I said whenyou asked me, uh, how we are
treating the um, how it's thefertility treatments looks like,
(01:02:41):
so we apply some needles on thefeet area, under the feet, it's
around the feet area Under thefeet, it's around the ankle area
, okay, around the ankle, andthis area it's on the feet, it's
a kidney.
Yeah, so, kidney they'resupposed to be warm, head it's
(01:03:03):
supposed to be cold.
So, and of course, you know, uh, in the future, this I don't
want to say 100%, but they couldhave UTI problem, uh, they
could have, you know, uh,coldness in the kidney and it
because I said, the kidneychannel, kidney organs, they
(01:03:25):
should be warm, they should be,should keep them warm.
Wow, I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I always, I always think about that.
I'm like, how is this mom, thischild is barefoot, she's
wearing a jacket and socks, butthe baby and I always think of
that.
I'm like these little babygirls need to be taken care of
like their.
Their private parts, especiallystarting from underneath the
feet to their like private parts, need to be warm.
That's what we learned, as youknow, our culture.
Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Yeah, but medicine applies this to the system, to
the channels kidney and liverand spleen.
Again, it's stopped from thefeet.
Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Wow.
So then the conclusion to thisis that majority of infertility
issues among women.
It doesn't matter whetheryou're in your 20s, 30s, 40s,
it's a high chance.
Obviously stressorsenvironmental stressors, but
also the organs of a woman,particularly the liver and
(01:04:25):
kidney and spleen right Need tobe looked at yes, they should
have very good support.
Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
So one of them should be great and another one should
be warm and supported Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
And that's what Chinese medicine supports.
It's finding that balanceversus these medications and
tests and things like that.
Wow, I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
You need to be in the harmony in five elements.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Yeah, definitely, because when you, when you look
at the past too, ourgrandparents were incredibly
fertile.
I mean, they have five, six,seven children.
But now that you're, it's justso different.
Now it's the chances aredecreasing.
So that's why I I wanted totalk about this and this is kind
of interesting and and you knowwhat, elena, I don't know if
(01:05:15):
you kind of agree with me, butback then the women knew how to
nurture their organs better.
They had all these holisticapproaches in their kitchens?
Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Yes, because we call it folk medicine, right?
Yeah, we could say, okay, ifsomeone has a problem like kind
of uti, but we haven't taken ourdrinking, it's a cranberry
juice or cranberry no leaves.
Yeah, right, so.
But now they're givenantibiotics and say, okay, take
(01:05:48):
antibiotics.
But actually I want to add tothe subject, because UTI could
be two types of UTI.
It could be like real UTI thatdeveloped because of the
infection, like real infection,and non-specific.
In Chinese medicine we call itemotional UTI.
(01:06:12):
You see, two different thingsand we need to give two
different remedies, right?
Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
That's amazing.
Chinese medicine always leadsto like energy.
That's, as you said, energy,emotion, the well-being of a
person.
That's fascinating.
Yeah, and again, what I'munderstanding is that, at the
end of the day, whether youchoose to birth control or not,
it does its effect on femaleorgans, which is primarily
(01:06:44):
needed for reproduction.
Exactly Fascinating.
Yes, thank you so much fortoday.
Exactly Fascinating.
Yes, thank you so much fortoday.
I appreciate you and yeah,you're amazing Wealth of
knowledge.
Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Thank you.
Thank you, I was really happy.
Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
I know me too.
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