Dr. Mark McDonald | Modern Masculinity, Gender Identity, Homeschooling | Edit Alaverdyan Podcast #28

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Are modern masculinity and femininity under attack? Join us for a compelling conversation with Dr. Mark McDonald, a distinguished child and adult psychiatrist, as we dissect the contemporary societal shifts that challenge traditional gender roles, the impacts of secular education, and the rise of a fear-dominated culture. Dr. McDonald provides an incisive critique of feminism and the consequences of removing religious foundations from schools, advocating for a return to courage and risk-taking as antidotes to a compliance-driven mindset. Explore the pressing issue of homeschooling where Dr. McDonald presents eye-opening data that counters the common concerns about socialization.

Controversial topics are not shunned here. From the ethical and psychological implications of transgenderism to the pervasive woke culture, we provide a conservative, Christian perspective on these modern phenomena. Dr. McDonald draws on ancient Greek tales of hubris to highlight the dangers of defying biological realities and questions the morality behind gender-affirming surgeries. Our discussion also delves into the repercussions of centralized power in media, politics, and business, particularly post-COVID-19, making a case for independent thinking and the reinforcement of traditional family values.

Finally, we examine the erosion of free speech and societal dynamics that have left young women struggling to find truly masculine partners. Dr. McDonald emphasizes the importance of traditional family roles and the profound impact they have on children's development, advocating for homeschooling, restricted cell phone usage, and robust parental role models. This episode promises intense and thought-provoking content that challenges modern ideologies and underscores the necessity of embracing time-honored values for societal progress. Don't miss this eye-opening discussion that calls for a grounded approach to raising the next generation.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What have we got left ?
We've got nothing.
We're living in a delusional,psychotic, post-modern,
post-apocalyptic nightmare, andwe are very close to that right
now.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
How many women have you met in their 50s that are
like oh my gosh, I regret notgetting married?
I have literally met two womenlike this Full-on depression,
just sad home.
And you know what happens theybecome psychologically messed up
too.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
You can be an excellent surgeon, but a bad
person with horrible ideas,utter confusion and disrespect
for societal norms.
In fact, I couldn't care lesswhether my surgeon is a nice guy
.
I want my surgeon to be acompetent surgeon.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I started to see red flags of what was happening when
God was removed from schools.
That was the biggest red flagthat I went oh why.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
This attack on courage, attack on risk-taking.
We're entrenched in the fearmindset, the compliance mindset
that I'll do whatever I need todo to avoid pain, as opposed to
taking risks and doing good.
And we don't have a lot ofpeople available to do that
anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Hello everyone, thank you for joining me today.
I wanted to introduce to youguys a very special human being,
a gentleman that I have beenvery, very excited to have on
the show, dr Mark McDonald,board-certified child and adult
psychiatrist and best-sellingauthor.
Dr McDonald and I talked aboutfeminism.

(01:33):
Today's topic was a little bitheavy, but very interesting and
incredibly intriguing.
We talked about the damages offeminism.
We talked about masculinity.
We talked about feminism.
We talked about feminists beingsubmissive and what that really
looks like.
We talked about homeschooling,the importance of homeschooling.

(01:55):
He's a big advocate forhomeschooling.
Actually, you guys, I thinkthat many, many parents are
trying to decide if publicsystem, private system or
homeschooling is right for them.
I think from today's episodeyou're going to get a really
good, substantial amount ofinformation of the importance of
homeschooling and that it's notso damaging because our

(02:15):
anxieties can tell us that thesocial piece, the piece where
socialization is important buthe talks about otherwise.
So his thoughts and theresearch and the data that he
presents, fascinating.
We did talk abouttransgenderism and the whole
woke movement and what thatlooks like.

(02:37):
Is it truly damaging oursociety as conservatives, as
Christian conservatives?
It was really interesting tohear his thoughts as a
board-certified psychiatrist.
So stay tuned.
It is an intense conversation.
It does have some triggeringpoints to it.
So if you feel that anythingfrom LGBTQ community

(02:58):
conversations are going to be atrigger for you, just be mindful
that throughout the topic ofthe podcast it is discussed
profusely.
But it is very educational, itis very interesting and thank
you for joining me.
Make sure you guys subscribebecause it is such support to me
.
Thank you guys for alwayssupporting the truth and

(03:20):
supporting me.
All right, dr Mark McDonald,thank you so much for joining me
today.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's an honor?
Yes, absolutely.
I found you on Instagram.
I love your work and I'm goingto have you obviously explain
everything, but I just wanted tosay that I have such respect
for clinicians and physiciansand anybody that's in the
clinical world that is fond oftruth, and I love how you speak

(03:49):
truthful things, you posttruthful things, so I definitely
appreciate that about you.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
I tell my patients that the first point of
departure for us to worktogether is that you must accept
truth.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Wow, yes.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
If you can't do that, then you can't work with me,
and I've adopted that for everypatient I've seen in the last 10
, 12 years since I opened mypractice and I really use that
to guide what I put out publiclyopinion statements.
I don't intentionally put outanything provocative although a
lot of what I say is provocativebut the intent is not to be
provocative.

(04:26):
The intent is to exposesomething that I believe to be
truthful and if it provokes,well, that's just the
consequence of putting somethingout that people are
uncomfortable with or that areshocked by.
But I'm not a shock socialmedia person.
I know that you can get a lot oflikes and follows doing that,
but that's not really my goal.
My goal is really to wakepeople up to important subjects

(04:51):
that they may not be aware of.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Do you think that clinicians are doing a good job
with waking people up with truth?
What's your perspective on that?

Speaker 1 (05:01):
I think it's gotten so bad now that rule of thumb.
I usually estimate about 80% ofclinicians.
When I say clinician I meanphysicians, psychiatrists,
therapists, associatedparaprofessionals, psychiatric
nursing staff.
I'd say about 80% of them areincompetent.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's a pretty high number, but that's what I
believe and I look at that at myRolodex.
My Rolodex is about 80% smallerthan it was five years ago and
that's because those people thathave been removed are largely
people that I've lost confidencein, in their ability to work
honestly with their patients andto do the best for their
patient, regardless of what itmight cost them professionally

(05:49):
or financially.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I agree, and I don't think that schools are doing a
good job with that either.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
I completely agree.
It starts in the trainingprograms.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I mean, I'm just going to be honest.
I remember what I learned in mytherapy school, my master's
program but not a darn thing isused when you're actually
treating a patient.
Okay, there's wonderfultheoretical approaches, but I'm
going to get so much hate onthis, but I'm speaking from my
personal experience.

(06:15):
I don't use any of that.
I think it's more about wisdom.
It's what's worked 100 yearsbefore this.
I think a lot of things arechanged and school system is
rigged.
It brainwashes you completely.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
You can be an excellent surgeon, but a bad
person with horrible ideas andutter confusion and disrespect
for societal norms.
But be an excellent surgeonbecause it's all technical.
In fact I couldn't care lesswhether my surgeon is a nice guy
.
I want my surgeon to be acompetent surgeon.

(06:50):
But with therapists it's not socut and dry, because therapy,
psychiatry, medicine thatrequires relational work is
necessarily driven by who youare as well as what you do
technically, because you're nottouching your patients.
It's the only medical professionwhere you don't touch your

(07:10):
patients, the only one.
So if something is going onthat's not technical in a
physical sense.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
More power there right.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's also.
There's a huge amount I'd saymuch more power in the mental
health field than there is inthe surgical field.
You have the ability to notmanipulate someone's body but
manipulate how they think, howthey grow, how they develop
their views, their beliefs.
That's a much, much moreimpressive responsibility than

(07:39):
simply cutting into somebody,cutting into somebody.
So we should be even morecareful in training programs
about instilling foundationalbedrock principles of morality,
guidance, patient beneficenceand, on the converse, if we
don't do that and we're notprograms that instill bad ideas

(08:04):
are likely to produce much moreharm than ideologically
corrupted surgical trainingprograms.
As long as you get the goodtraining on where to cut and
where to sew, it doesn't reallymatter what ideas they teach you
.
But in therapy, if you get badideas if you're told, for
example, that it's in yourpatient's best interest to

(08:25):
always affirm whatever thepatient proposes, you are going
to be a bad therapist and you'regoing to hurt people.
And that is exactly whattherapists are doing right now.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I agree with you Validating a lot of these mixed
emotions, especially witheverything happening in the woke
culture right now.
There's so many therapistsvalidating this idea of okay,
you feel this way, hmm, allright.
Oh, that's so unfortunate thatyour family's not accepting of
this and that.
And it's what the heck are wevalidating?
What are we doing?

(08:53):
We're hurting these children.
How is it okay to validate achild that is so confused and
traumatized, and and how?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
so confused and traumatized and I don't even
have words to say.
We have redefined pathologyinto virtue.
I have been speaking about thisnow for four years, really
loudly in the last couple ofyears, and one of my common
tenants that I try to expressand clarify for people who may
not be aware of this is that wemay not know this, not
consciously, but we're living itall the time.
Since 2020, we have redefined alot of human qualities that

(09:35):
used to be considered perniciousinto virtues.
One of them, for example, isfear.
We have validated virtualizedfear as something good,
something to be proud of.
This is terrible.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Fear does not produce goodness.
Courage produces goodness.
The ability to risk things.
Earlier we were discussing thefears of therapists of losing
their patients if they say thetruth and the therapist is
losing the truth.
Losing a client fear rightpatients if they say the truth,

(10:08):
and the therapist is losing aclient.
If you lose your patient, well,that doesn't necessarily mean,
you're a bad therapist, it maymean that you said the right
thing.
So fear can't drive therapy.
Fear can't drive how we parent.
We can't be angry or worriedabout our child saying I hate
you because you don't give himpizza every night for dinner,
and parents instinctively knowthis.

(10:28):
So this is not something new.
But I think what is new is thatwe've been blitzed by a very
coordinated political, media andcorporate campaign in the last
four years that has changed ourway of seeing things in our
families, in our professions, inour society, in our politics,
everywhere.
That says if you express fear,if you say I'm scared, and if

(10:51):
you feel victimized by something, anything, anyone because of
your fear, that makes you a goodperson.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
This is wrong.
It's wrong, but also there'sconsequences that come from
speaking the truth.
Also, there's consequences thatcome from speaking the truth.
Earlier we were talking abouthow important it is to be a good
therapist and to tell yourclient what you really see.
But there's consequences behindthat, for example, like losing
the client, but also from theparent's perspective as well.

(11:18):
What comes with telling yourchild you can't have pizza every
night.
It's the severe tantrums, it'sI'm going to run away from home.
So I think with fear also.
But there's consequences thatare so obvious now and it's
really difficult for people tothe right thing to say the right
thing.
Like look at us now we'retalking right, but how much

(11:40):
controversy is in thisconversation?
People are not going to likethat.
This is going to come withconsequences and the
consequences losing followers.
People see you out in thestreet like how dare you?
Transgender people are people.
They deserve to be validated,they deserve to be loved.
It's like there's alwaysconsequences and we're always

(12:01):
fighting for this acceptance andwe're always fighting for this
acceptance.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
This is why we have to reinstill courage as a virtue
and not fear.
We have swapped out our altarof worship to one where we
worship fear.
That's our new God it is.
We cannot be a good people ifwe live under the umbrella of
fear, if that's what drives ourdecisions.
The only way to acceptconsequences, losses, is through

(12:26):
courage, and it doesn't meanthat you have to change how you
feel.
This is also a bigmisconception, I hear.
Well, because feelings driveeverything, because feelings are
always affirmed and validated,people today, and this includes
therapists, seem to believe thatthe road to goodness is by
riding feelings and acceptingthem and acting on the feelings.

(12:47):
No, that's immaturity.
The road to goodness is to feelthe feelings and to act in
spite of them, to feel scared,horribly terrified, and yet to
do the right thing.
And that is actually whatcourage is it's to act in spite
of fear and to take a risk, andwe're not willing to do that
anymore.
That's one of the fundamentalproblems of our society that is

(13:09):
infecting everything.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Infecting Everything.
Wow, yes, I agree with you andI think that it's definitely
people who are afraid and peoplewho live in fear are immense
danger for society.

(13:31):
That's what I feel like.
It's a very dangerous.
I guess.
What I'm trying to say is oneof the most dangerous people in
the world are weak people, arepeople who are afraid.
Look at all the dangerousthings that they do based from
fear and being weak, like howall these murderers, rapists,

(13:55):
robbers, like just bad people.
They're all people who haveimmense fear and I think it's
really difficult to be acourageous person, but it's the
most beautiful thing to be acourageous person.
It takes a lot of work to be acourageous person, but I guess
what I'm trying to say iscourageous people are amazing
people.
They are good for society.

(14:16):
They do so much kindness forsociety versus fear.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
They're necessary.
The fearful act irrationally,and irrational behavior is what
causes harm, and you can be anice person but be very scared,
very afraid and act veryirrationally.
I believe that the outlierstoday, the eccentrics, the
weirdos, are really the onlyones that are doing good.
Those who are acting in themiddle, those who are compliant,

(14:44):
those who are being safe, arelargely causing terrible harm.
We need much more strength andmuch more courage and, to be
specific about that, I thinkwhat we must have are courageous
, strong men supported by womenwho respect and admire them, and

(15:07):
we don't have that right now.
We have only toxic masculinity.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
We don't have masculinity.
Everything is toxic, that'smasculine.
And we also don't have asocietal paternal authority,
whether it's a father or apolice officer or a state or a
teacher, that can tell girls.
No, girls don't have strongdaddies anymore, and I mean that
in the literal sense and themetaphorical sense.

(15:34):
So they end up acting out.
They end up acting out in aselfish, narcissistic,
histrionic way.
I believe that women aredisproportionately as a sex, I
believe that women aredisproportionately as a sex,
disproportionately destroyingthis country, and I also believe
that it is enabled by weak men.
So I want to be very clear I'mnot attacking women, I'm

(15:55):
attacking both sexes.
But we attack men, and rightlyso, all the time for excessive
aggression, violence, sexualpredation, as we should,
aggression, violence, sexualpredation, as we should.
But we never, ever criticizewomen for their errors, for
their sex-specific flaws, whichare largely uncontrolled,
uncontained emotion whichexplodes and leaks out into

(16:16):
horribly destructive areas, suchas the sexual mutilation and
hormonal castration of youngchildren, most of whom are girls
and most of which is led bywomen.
Women therapists, womenteachers, women surgeons, women
clinical directors, womenpoliticians, women legislators,
even mothers in families arelargely driving this, not men,

(16:39):
not fathers, of course thefathers.
They're just standing aroundletting it happen.
So I'm not saying that they'reguiltless or blameless, but I'm
saying they're not stepping upand we need strong, ethical men
to stand up and to contain theexcesses of what I would call
toxic femininity.
And we have lost that balance inour society and if we don't get
it back we are going to fall asa nation.

(17:01):
We are already teetering and weare very close to the precipice
.
So our problems today?
We could say oh, the politicaldivide, a lot of politics.
Politics is a symptom of anunderlying problem.
The underlying problem is muchmore cultural.
It's much more foundational topsychology, values, community,
and we're not addressing that.
We're bickering aboutRepublicans and Democrats.

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That's not the solution.
The solution has to come back tothe core, to the community, the
family, to our values.
We have to agree on that.
We have to agree on truth.
And if we don't allow truth totake precedence, if we don't say
you know what?
Men don't menstruate, girlscan't be boys and boys can't be
girls, if we're afraid to saythat as a mommy, a daddy, a

(17:44):
teacher, a therapist, in ouroffice, at our home, on the
street, if we are afraid to saythat, those basic truths.
What have we got left?
We've got nothing.
We're living in a delusional,psychotic, post-modern,
post-apocalyptic nightmare, andwe are very close to that right
now.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
And I think that the root cause of that is women
losing touch with their naturetheir true nature.
And what worked for ourgrandparents, what worked for
our parents, is now altered intothis new wave of feminism, and
that's you don't have to work,you don't have to get married.

(18:22):
Who cares about raisingchildren?
Well, that's the most importantthing is giving birth and
raising children.
Our children are today'ssociety.
Look at the responsibility thatwe possess, and we're not
really looking at that as animportance.
We're looking as oh, if I havethis career, that career, yes,
that too is also important.
I understand that some womenwant to work, but we forgot our

(18:44):
true nature, and that'sdestroying today's society,
including our men.
We are also destroying our men.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
We are attacking our men by this false redefinition
of what it means to be a woman,and it doesn't matter how you
feel, it doesn't matter what youbelieve.
There is a truth and a realitythat exists independent of you.
And this is another problemwith the narcissistic culture is
that, rather than minimizing,humbling ourselves and

(19:12):
acknowledging that we are really, as individuals, insignificant
in this larger world, we arefocusing so much on our own
individual feelings andso-called needs that we are
denying what is real and thatalways leads to terrible things,
including, as you said, thenear total loss now, at least in
the United States and largelyin Western Europe and other
Anglophone countries like NewZealand, australia, canada and

(19:36):
England the understanding ofwhat the reality is, not the
political opinion.
The reality, the truth offemale nature.
And there is a female natureand there is a male nature.
Whether you like it or not, itexists.
And the sort of pinnacle of thedelusional upheaval of that

(19:58):
concept of feminine nature istoday the massive proclamation
that a woman can not only denyher nature psychologically, but
even physically she can become aman.
That's almost to me like a.
It kind of reminds me of theGreek stories of hubris like the
man who can fly.
He wants to be a bird, but hecan't really be a bird.

(20:18):
So he takes wings and he gluesthem to his arms with wax and he
flies up to the heavens.
He glues them to his arms withwax and he flies up to the
heavens and the sun, the god,sun, sun, god calls him out for
his hubris.
He says you're a man, you'renot a bird, and I'm going to
increase the intensity of thesun and I'm going to melt that
wax so that you fall to yourdeath.

(20:38):
To prove to you, to show to youthat you can't cheat nature.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
That you're delusional.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
That you are delusional.
You are not actually flying,you are just putting on wings
and saying that you're a bird.
And that's what happens rightnow, biologically and
psychologically, with children,young adults and adults.
I think this is why I keepcoming back to this issue of
transgenderism, because I thinkit's the most obvious expression

(21:04):
to this issue of transgenderism.
Because I think it's the mostobvious expression, the most cut
and dried expression of theconsequence of denying one's
female nature and also, to somedegree, one's male nature.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
How you know, I always think of this.
How do you look yourself as aclinician in the mirror at the
end of the day when you'revalidating someone's delusion?
How is that proper treatment?
How is that ethical in any way?
I just can't seem to understandthat.

(21:34):
And it's you know.
I think it's much deeper thanthat.
Again, it goes back to the fear.
It's the fear and theconsequence of clinicians and
what they experience.
Look at all the consequences.
I mean Jordan Peterson we werejust talking about this had his
license stripped away from allthat hard work, all because he's
talking about what we'retalking about.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
He told the truth, he told the truth he told the
truth about men and about women.
Basically, that's what he did,and he was attacked mercilessly
for that by saying that womenand men are fundamentally
different, that women aspire todifferent achievements than men
do, that women are emotionallydifferent and have different

(22:15):
emotional capacities Obviously,men and women are physically
different that what makes menhappy doesn't make women happy
and that, fundamentally, womencannot be happy by pursuing a I
will have everything right nowpath.
It makes them miserable.
And he just said these basictruths that 100 years ago she

(22:36):
said our grandparents, our greatgrandparents, would roll our
eyes and say well, duh Like.
Why are you even mentioningthis?

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Even in some countries now.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Even in some countries now.
Even in some countries now.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
They're not fully aware of what's going on.
What do you mean?
A man can be a woman.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
I mean, I've seen some videos on this where
they're just what so it's yeah,can we talk about the lives of

(23:16):
not just hundreds but thousandsof young people and probably
tens of thousands of adults aswell, which I think is equally
bad thousands of adults as well,which I think is equally bad.
The images, videos, areavailable if you actually go to
libs of TikTok or some onInstagram, although they're
often taken down, where theseyoungsters who have had these

(23:39):
surgeries will video themselves,usually initially in an
expression of pride, althoughnot always.
Sometimes the videos are ofthem crying, looking at their
bodies and seeing the mutilation.
They're pretty ugly.
They look a lot like thepictures that I have seen of
cancer surgeries horriblescarring surgeries.

(24:01):
Horrible scarring.
Inflammation, swelling, oozingfluids from body cavities, lack
of functionality obviouslyaesthetically horrific.
There's nothing pretty aboutsurgically removing healthy
breasts and leaving a flat chestwith a scar underneath it.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
On a child.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
And this is often on children.
These are on pre-pubescentgirls.
To have these genitalia removed, have a penis removed and have
it inverted to create a vagina,or to put on a prosthetic penis
onto a vagina, creates horriblepain, strictures, urinary

(24:47):
retention, obvious infertilityand sexual impotence for life.
These are catastrophic,life-changing.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
It's not human nature to do this.
No, how do they do this?

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I don't understand how any clinician, surgeon,
therapist can actively supportthis kind of intervention.
This is not sexually affirmingor gender affirming.
This is gender denying.
This is saying we are going todeny on this sort of

(25:23):
costume-like but permanentdisfigurement that's going to
presumptively switch you intothe opposite sex, which is
absurd.
I don't think many Americansrealize that all of these
so-called treatments lead tonothing.

(25:45):
That is promised Absolutelynothing.
Physically they are abominableand psychologically and this has
been proven and shown throughsome of the largest studies, the
only ones we really haveavailable in Denmark and the
Netherlands in Europelongitudinal studies with 70, 80
, 100,000 people through theirVA equivalent healthcare system,

(26:08):
tracking people with what theycall gender dysphoria who have
had these surgeries and hormoneblockers and those who haven't.
They found conclusively thatthe rates of depression and even
suicide are up to 19-foldhigher in those who have
undergone these so-calledtreatments than those who didn't
, who also had gender dysphoria.

(26:29):
So clearly these treatments arenot only not helping, they're
actually making things worse,and that's just an objective
fact, that's not an opinion.
So we can't even medicallysupport this, much less
obviously morally or ethically.
And for us to have a systemthat encourages this as your
first go-to option when you'resuffering from a mental illness

(26:50):
is evil.
I don't know any other word thatcan that can describe this.
This is not an error.
This is not a a medicalconfusion area of debate where
we're wondering well, the datais not fully in yet we have to
do our due.
No, this is absolutely.

(27:17):
I would call it catastrophic tothe development of the next
generation of adults that if wedon't stop this, we could lead
down a road where we have anon-functioning society.
It's that bad.
This is an issue that allAmericans should be united.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
It's wake up.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
This is a wake up call.
This is a wake up time and wehaven't woken up, which is funny
because every other countryseems to have woken up.
England has already endedlegally ended these so-called
transition clinics.
The Tavistock Clinic was shutdown, I think, a year, a year
and a half ago, after classaction lawsuits and the courts
actually found that medically itwas indefensible and they said

(27:53):
we're not doing this anymore.
Same thing in France, spain,italy.
They're not doing any of thisin Western Europe.
So why are we continuing it?
Why are we so far behind theeight ball?
I think the reason is that weare probably the most fearful
and compliant nation in theentire world right now.

(28:14):
Which?

Speaker 2 (28:15):
is the opposite.
Very agreeable people we are asAmericans we want to be so
agreeable and we used to bedisagreeable.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
We used to be pioneering, we used to be
aggressive, we used to breakthrough forests and ice and
climb mountains and we used totake risks.
We used to tell off the rest ofthe world when they were wrong
and said you know what?
Come after us, we know thatwe're right.
You could call that hubris, youcould call that arrogance, but
at least it was strong and wedid, overall, the most good in

(28:44):
human history the United Statesdid and I have to say, ashamedly
, we are the exporters of someof the worst ideas now in human
history.
It is so pathetic.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
It is pathetic.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I feel very ashamed of my country right now.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
I do too, and I think that the worst part is that
there's a lot of corruptionbehind it too.
A lot of corruption becauselook at how much you're praised
for accepting these ideas andvalidating these ideas and you
get glorified for it.
Like you know, certain mayors,like they, you know they bring
like drag queens into schoolsand, oh you know, they're

(29:19):
glorified for it.
So it's, that's correct,they're glorified for it.
So there's a lot of corruptionbehind it too.
It's not only you know, they'reglorified for it, so it's,
they're glorified for it.
So there's a lot of corruptionbehind it too.
It's not only you know.
I don't think.
Yeah, corruption.
I think that's such a big wordand there's so much into that,
but I see the corruption.
I think we all do.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
We've allowed corruption to drive a lot of
evil because we've agreed tocentralize a lot of our society,
and I mean centralized power,political power, centralized
media, which media has a lot ofpower as well.
Centralized businesses, I meanlook what happened after 2020.
30% of all independently runbusinesses went bankrupt and

(29:59):
have not restarted One thirdAmazon.
For the first time in history,a company Amazon in 2020, 2021,
grossed more than $1 billion,with a B billion dollars per day
.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Per day.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Amazon was the most successful corporation in US
history in 2020, 2021.
And why?
Because we didn't allow peopleto buy things outside of Amazon,
because we had to get stuffdelivered to our house.
One billion gross per day insales Never happened before in
United States history.
Now, was that because Amazonsuddenly between 2019 and 2020,

(30:40):
2021, suddenly became a greatcompany offering wonderful value
and excellent customer service,and everyone else stopped
serving their customers?
No, this was forced on us by acorrupt media, a corrupt
government and really corruptpoliticians.
Politicians yes, Amen this ishow this happened and we haven't

(31:04):
really recovered from this.
We haven't recovered from thelockdown era.
We've recovered in the sensethat we're now out and about,
but I don't thinkpsychologically we've recovered.
We economically haven'trecovered.
We haven't recovereddevelopmentally with the
children, educationally,everything has continued to
suffer.
And I think that there's stilla holdover effect of this fear

(31:26):
and this attack on courage,attack on risk-taking.
We're entrenched in the fearmindset, the compliance mindset
that I'll do whatever I need todo to avoid pain as opposed to
taking risks and doing good.
And we don't have a lot ofpeople available to do that
anymore because all the peoplethat were courageous, that were
taking risks, the independentbusinesses, they're all gone.

(31:46):
So everything is consolidatedand I think when you centralize
and consolidate anything,anything at all, bad outcomes
and I think we are moreconsolidated and centralized on
all these fields I justmentioned than any other time in
US history.
So presumably the solution wouldbe to break all of this up, to
decentralize.
So presumably the solutionwould be to break all of this up

(32:06):
to decentralize, to put powerback to communities, whether
it's education, parenting,politics, media.
We need to break stuff upbecause when you don't have
competition and you have acentralization of power, you
wind up getting reallydictatorship.
You wind up getting rulescoming from on high that enforce
edicts that do not benefit thepopulation.

(32:27):
You don't have the benefit of300 million minds all acting
independently, but in concertyou have 1, 2, 10, 20, maybe 100
minds, which is way, way, wayless, all making decisions for
us.
And you can see the outcome ofthis.
You just look around and justlook what's happening to our

(32:49):
country.
You don't have to even watchthe news.
You just walk around yourstreets and just see how the
decay has taken over in the lastfour years and just children
being brainwashed all the time.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
You had posted something about homeschooling.
Are you a fan of homeschooling?

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I didn't used to be.
I used to be actually verysuspicious of it.
I thought it was for crazy moms.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
One of those crazy moms, I think.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Well, let me tell you how I I love homeschooling.
I mean my son's, in privateschool.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
But yeah, tell me.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
After the schools closed in 2020, 2021, and I had
one, then two, then three of mypatients commit suicide Well, I
should say commit suicide.
They experimented with drugsand died of fentanyl poisonings,
but they were also depressedand anxious while they were at
the safer at home.
Policy by Eric Garcetti, ourformer LA mayor, here After I

(33:40):
saw that happening, that reallywoke me up.
Kids need to be in school, butwhen I say in school, I mean in
a school that is not turningthem into transgender mutants.
So I was really for kids goingback to school, but what I
realized was that when kids weregoing back to school, finally

(34:03):
after the openings, yeah, theywere safe in the sense that they
weren't dying of fentanyloverdoses, at least not as
frequently as they were at home,but they were completely and
still are completely, utterlyindoctrinated by ideals pushed
on them by teachers that areordered by the California

(34:23):
Teachers Union, the NationalTeachers Association, exactly,
if they don't teach XYZ, thenthey will lose their job, they
will be fired, and that meansgay pride, transgenderism.
America is a racist country.
Men are toxic, girls can do nowrong.
Religion is horrible.
You don't have to eat and sleepand eat well to be happy.

(34:46):
In fact, the fatter you are,the better Fat pride.
So you get all of this horrible, unhealthy.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Normalizing all these unhealthy things.
It's a normalization exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
They've normalized everything.
That's bad.
They've removed the civicculture of school, and so I
don't think in public schoolstoday certainly not in LA County
, and this is true in a lot ofparts of urban America I don't
think it's even remotelypossible to do well and to do

(35:15):
right by your child by keepingthem in school.
So when parents come in andthey say I'm having a real
horrible time here, dr McDonald,my kids had to wear masks, they
had to get these injections andI said no.
But now they're back andthey're still.
The teachers are acting reallystrange and they're teaching
them all this garbage about boyscan be girls, girls can be boys
and pronoun changes and gaypride, and there's no American
flags in the schools.
And I'm not a conservative, I'mnot even a Republican, but I

(35:37):
just don't like this.
This is wrong.
This isn't what I grew up with.
What should I do?
And I tell them look, you maynot like this, but getting back
to truth, this is the truth.
You must if you want to be agood parent and you want to have
your child grow up to be a goodadult, you must take your child
out of school and homeschoolyour child period.
Now, if you find, by some act ofGod, an excellent private

(36:02):
school in your area or a charterschool, and they do exist.
There's not many, but there area few, there are a few.
If you're in that category,great, but if not and that's
most people you must homeschoolyour child, whether that means
you have to quit your job, gopart-time, lose one income, move
perhaps to an area that'scheaper, downsize whatever it
takes.
You have to do that Because ifyou don't, in a few years you're

(36:25):
going to look back and say, ohmy God, my child is a wreck, but
we still have the house and thejob and it's not going to
matter.
You're going to be miserablebecause that house, that income,
that is not going to matter toyou as a parent if you don't
raise a good child and youcannot raise a good child today
if your child is in publicschool.
It is an insurmountableobstacle.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
I agree with you and I think that's one of the
reasons why I took out my sonfrom public school.
He was in public school here inBurbank and I just we found a
beautiful Christian privateschool.
There's literally like ninekids in his class, Very private,
very small, but it's someaningful.
But what about when parentstalk about the socialization

(37:08):
piece, Like what?

Speaker 1 (37:09):
about socializing.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
That laugh says it all.
So talk to us about that.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
That was actually where I first reached the now,
I'd say, rejected conclusionthat homeschooling is
detrimental to children'sdevelopment.
I was always under the beliefthat you raise autistic children
in homeschooling.
They're all weird.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
They're all weird.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
yes, they don't know how to interact with other
people.
Well, that was a completemisconception and I acknowledge
that, because homeschooledchildren don't sit at home all
day long by themselves withtheir mother doing homework
exercises.
Often they're with other kids,they often do community group
work, and even if they are doingtheir schoolwork by themselves,

(37:52):
that schoolwork doesn't takeeight hours.
It only takes two or threehours a day because it's so much
more efficient than the publicschools which really don't have
a lot of class instruction time.
It's mostly nonsense.
So the rest of that time isusually, if the mother is in any
way involved and of course shehas to be or she wouldn't be
homeschooling in the programmingof her child she's going to

(38:14):
spend an enormous amount of timetaking that child out to
outings and trips with otherchildren going to museums, doing
sports, enrichment activities,music, art.
That actually is whatpredominantly fills the time of
homeschooling kids, rather thansitting alone at their desk
doing busy work.
So that's just false.

(38:35):
It's a misconception.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
And I have met a lot of children from public schools
and from homeschooling.
You can see them running aroundthe neighborhood too.
The children that come fromhomeschools are the most mature
in their social skills.
They make eye contact, theyshake hands, they address adults
and other kids properly.
They are respectful, they arethoughtful, they are attentive,

(38:58):
they are gracious.
They just look at the.
You know the.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Confidence levels.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's amazing, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
It's amazing Because they're not bullied.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
They're not bullied, they're not on their phones all
day, they're not having theiremotional needs corrupted and
driven into politicalideological campaigns, and

(39:30):
growing with this wonderfulnutritional environment of other
kids and adults who sharesimilar points of view and
values about the world, whichare basically values grounded in
reality, and they just turn outbetter.
This is just empirically true.
You look at the results and youcan see the results.
Homeschooled kids are not dorkyand goofy.
They're actually quite involved.
They take on leadership rolesto a much, much larger degree as
they get older than do kids inpublic schools.

(39:51):
So this concept ofsocialization being a weakness
of homeschooling is actually notonly false, it's actually
inverted.
The socialization in publicschools is horrific.
They're socialized to be scared, to be bullies or to be bullied
.
They're socialized to becompliant, weak, to not express
an opinion that contradicts thatof the teacher.

(40:13):
Like well, I don't understand.
Why do men menstruate if theydon't have a vagina?
You are a transphobe.
Go to the principal's officeand sit there for the rest of
the day.
That's what's going on inpublic schools.
And so what is that kid goingto do the next time?
It's just it's not his head thenext time he says, yeah, men

(40:33):
menstruate Absolutely yes.
Yes, I'll put that down on mytest.
That's not good socializationat all.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
No.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
To be scared and intimidated into adopting a
worldview that's literallydelusional.
I think again, getting back toreality, how important it is to
live in reality.
Children that are homeschooledspend more time in reality than
those in public schools, justlike kids that were taken out of
public schools during thelockdowns and allowed to play

(41:01):
touch dirt, touch other kidsplay ball, which is reality.
They had a better development,without loss of IQ points,
language deficits and even astronger immune system,
ironically because they were outtouching things and interacting
with the environment, asopposed to public school kids,
who got weaker emotionally,linguistically, intellectually

(41:23):
and physically.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
I agree with you.
I think that parents definitelyneed to take better charge
they're very afraid to be.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Parents are so scared .

Speaker 2 (41:32):
They're so scared and it's so understandable, and
especially the ones that are notreally aware, they don't really
understand what's going on.
They're they're, they're higher, they're more agreeable, and I
feel for parents like that,especially immigrant parents.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Agreeability, as Jordan Peterson says, is a much
higher character trait in womenthan in men, and women often
make the decisions on wherechildren go to school.
And I think women want to beagreeable, and right now to be
agreeable means to it's easier,though it is easier.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
It's less stressful, it's less conflictual, it's hard
to be agreeable and right nowto be agreeable.
It's easier though it is easier, it's less stressful it is.
It's less conflictual.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
It's hard to you avoid fights by being agreeable
so it makes your life easier, atleast in the short especially
if they have trauma,intergenerational trauma, and
their nervous system acts up.
I mean, it's so much easier tobe like okay versus constantly
fighting, you know which isfunny, because all the immigrant
mothers that I meet are theones that are the most worried
about what's happening to theirchildren.

(42:31):
They don't always act on itbecause they're scared.
They want to be agreeable, butthey know what's going on
because they came from countrieswhere similar kinds of abuse
was taking place by government.
That's why they left.
I just met with a couple ofArmenian women in my office
yesterday who were working for apharmaceutical company and she

(42:51):
said you know, I came from avery difficult environment.
One was Russian, armenian, andwe fled our land where we were
living, because we were feelingunsafe.
We were feeling that wecouldn't keep our children
protected.
And we come here and now wehave to throw them to the wolves
.
What do I do Again, what do Ido?
What do I do?
Comes up.
It's not that they don't know.

(43:12):
They know very well, even muchmore than American-born women
today.
They know that something'sterribly wrong because they
lived what was wrong before.
So they have that ability torecognize it.
They just sometimes don't havethe tools, the strength, the
courage and, most importantly,the community.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
The support system.
The support system to takeaction.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
I've said, and people asked me three years ago what's
the one thing that I should doto keep myself from going crazy
in the midst of this insanity.
And I said you need to findlike-minded people and you do
associate with them, preferablyin person in your community, but
if not, then remotely, throughwebsites, through blogs, through
chat groups.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
It's not ideal, but churches absolutely.
You can do online church now.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
I'm not a big fan of online anything, but if you
don't have any other option,it's absolutely better than
nothing, because if you don'thave that support of people with
like-minded ideas, you will notbe able to find the courage to
do what's right.
And it doesn't mean you're abad person, it just means the
human nature is that alone, very, very, very few people are able
to step up to that barricadeand take all that incoming fire

(44:17):
if there's no one standingbehind them or beside them.
Very, very few can do it.
And I don't fault people fornot wanting to jump up to the
parakeet.
We don't want everyone to dothat, but everyone needs to find
some way to become courageous,and that starts with getting
like-minded people together.
We don't have PTAs anymore.
Ptas are gone.
They've all been taken over byteachers unions, and parents who

(44:41):
come to meetings at schools areoften shouted down, arrested,
even referred to social services.
I mean, this is real hardcoreMarxism here.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
It's that consequence .
It is Marxism.
This is a real consequence.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
This is not just feeling like oh, people don't
like me.
I mean to have a police officerhandcuff you, give you a civil
fine.
Have you referred to socialservices because you come to a
teacher's or a PTA schoolmeeting with a book that has
pornography, that has graphicdescriptions of anal sex for
your five-year-old, and say Idon't want this to be taught or

(45:13):
even allowed to be in thelibrary in my kindergarten, at
my school, and then to bearrested for that.
That's pretty darn scary, it'svery scary.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
It's again goes back to those consequences.
There's always a consequencefor speaking up for your truth.
And also, I'd like to add,there's this, jill Simone, and I
don't know if you know her, butshe works for PragerU.
She's one of my good friends.
We were talking and she's likethere's this like thing of be
kind, be kind, be kind.
Well, who's going to be kind tous?
What about us?
Like?
I deserve the love, I deserveto be respected, my opinions

(45:43):
deserve to be respected.
Who's going to do that?
For why is it always theopponent Like?

Speaker 1 (45:52):
what about us as conservatives?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Inclusion sensitivity .

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Acceptance is not a one-way street.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
No and the only people.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
the only people today that are being excluded are
those who profess what we wouldcall traditional values.
If you don't profess atraditional value, you're not
excluded.
I was laughing the last.
What is it now?
30, 60, 90, I can't evenremember how long it's been.
Pride month is all year now andyou have the pride slogan of we

(46:25):
need to be visible.
Pride month is importantbecause we need visibility.
Well, I can't think of a groupthat is not the most visible
group in the United States butout gay men and women, in
particular, transvestites andtransgendered people.

(46:45):
Where can you not see them?
I mean, it's not like they'rehiding in the closet.
So the whole thing is a joke.
It's a lie, it's dishonest.
The people who are hiding, thepeople who are not out, the
people who are intimidated toexpress their views and to march
on the streets, areheterosexual Christians.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
They're scared to death.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
And, by the way, we're doing a horrible job use.
And to march on the streets areheterosexual Christians.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
They're scared to death and, by the way, we're
doing a horrible job speaking up.
We need to, you guys, we needto be more out there, we need to
be more loud, and I mean,there's a few of us that are
speaking up about it.
I'm very grateful, but a lot ofthem are very afraid again
because of these consequenceslike losing jobs.
Friends, you friends, Do youever think about your license?

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Well, I was investigated by the California
Medical Board formally in 2021for spreading medical
misinformation.
That was the charge and itwasn't brought by a patient.
It was brought by anonymousparties who didn't like what I'd

(47:56):
posted on Twitter regarding theuse of ivermectin to treat the
Wuhan virus infection andultimately led to an interview,
an investigation by aninvestigator and a physician who
is hired by the medical boardto conduct an interview to
decide whether or not.
I had actually spread medicalmisinformation.

(48:16):
Well, congratulations I thinkthat's very successful.
I told the guy that interviewedme I'm so glad that we're
having this opportunity todiscuss the information I posted
on social media, which includedciting research articles about
how ivermectin was a successfultreatment around the world that
saved millions of lives and thatled to a Nobel Prize.

(48:38):
Well, now you can stillprescribe it.
You can only prescribe it forvery specific disorders.
So they still have it kind ofrestricted, even now in 2024.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
People are getting it from.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Mexico.
You can get it from Mexico.
You can get it from overseas.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yes, people know where to get it.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
It's still available but it's not nearly as easy to
prescribe as it used to be andyou get a lot of pushback from
insurance companies and so forthand the medical board backed
down because they realized thatthere really wasn't anything
that they could call me out forfor having harmed patients,
because everything that I saidwas medically valid.
It also might have had a littlebit to do with that is dropping

(49:17):
this my lawsuit.
I filed a federal lawsuitMcDonald v Lawson Christina
Lawson is the former head of themedical board.
She's an attorney, not a doctor, and she was at the time the
head of the medical board ofCalifornia and I filed it in
federal court challenging the ABI think it's 2098, that is now

(49:38):
expired and defunct and actuallyrescinded by the California
state legislature, whichcriminalized the truth-telling
to patients regarding anythingcoronavirus, whether it was
masks or injections or antiviralmedication.
If you said anything that wentagainst the state's position at

(50:00):
that moment, which of coursechanged all the time you could
be not criminally but medicallyprosecuted and have your license
stripped from you, and thatwent into effect in January of
about a year, year and a halfago, I think.
It was then rescinded by thestate because they realized it
was unconstitutional, but Ifiled a lawsuit against her
personally and Rob Bonta, thestate attorney general, on

(50:22):
constitutional grounds and itwas actually.
It was heard in the Pasadena Iforgot what circuit that is a
federal court about a year agoand the panel of judges grilled
the defense attorney, which wasthe state attorney, asking
questions like well, why do weneed this rule to go after
physicians who are practicingmedical misinformation?

(50:45):
Don't we have malpractice lawalready?
Well, yes, we do, but why do wehave to have one law for this
specific disease?
This feels very political.
Well, you have to understandJudge.
The people on the panel weren'tbuying it and I think the state
realized that they were in alosing battle, so it was taken
into consideration for decision.
Before the decision was writtenand published, the state dropped

(51:07):
the investigation against meand the legislature voted to
rescind their own law.
Ab 2098 was rescinded and oncethat happened, sort of became
sort of.
My lawsuit became moot and sothere was never a decision
rendered.
But I would consider it a win.
We won on both counts.
I certainly won theinvestigation.
I won the lawsuit, in a sensebecause I think they would have
it a win.
Yes, we won on both counts, Icertainly won the investigation.
I won the lawsuit in a sensebecause I think they would have

(51:29):
had a formal loss if thedecision had come out.

(52:06):
No-transcript associations,state medical associations that
are restricting the speech ofthose people who participate in
their associations, and so theirjustification is essentially
well, if it's professionalspeech, we can restrict it, and
the court in California wasabout to issue a judgment saying

(52:27):
you know what, just because youput on a coat or you go to the
court as an attorney, a whitecoat, or go to the court, that
doesn't mean that you can't talkanymore when you walk into your
consulting office.
Your speech rights are notrestricted.
It doesn't work like that.
We have a first amendment, so Iwould love for that to be a
Supreme Court decision, becauseI think that speech restrictions
right now are one of theprimary tools that is instilling

(52:51):
fear in people.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Well, of course.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
You can't speak freely.
No, Then you can't act.
And that's why the FirstAmendment is the first, because
if you don't have the ability tospeak the right to speak that's
protected by the state all yourother rights are lost.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Well, certainly, in this country free speech is
promoted, but it certainly isn'tsupported.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
That's correct.
It is not supported at all.
It is not supported.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
It's promoted, but it's not.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
It's there, quote unquote, but it's not supported.
It's promoted and supportedbased on the content.
That you say anti-Semitic,pro-terrorist UCLA student
occupying Royce Hall and wantsto execute all the Jews and give
money to Iran to fund terrorismin the Middle East then you
have the absolute right insupport of the university to

(53:36):
speak that loudly and clearlyand even to destroy the entire
building with graffiti and fecesand food and broken windows and
chairs and pitch tents out infront of the building and block
students from being able toaccess the grounds or the
building.
That is absolutely defended andsupported.
But if you were to walk pastthe building with a megaphone

(53:59):
and say I'm a proud Jew and holda flag up of Israel, you would
probably be escorted off thecampus by the police because you
would be instilling a riot orinstigating a riot.
So I think we have a huge doublestandard right now in terms of
support for free speech.
Speech is absolutely right,except when we don't like it and

(54:20):
then it's banned.
In other words, any speech isgreat as long as it's not hate
speech, specifically hate speechagainst us.
We can hate against youabsolutely, but you say anything
that we don't like that mightmake us uncomfortable and that
has to be restricted becauseonce again, we're relying on
this narcissistic view ofsociety that if my feelings are

(54:40):
hurt, then your speech must belimited.
That's a very, very dangerousprecedent.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Your speech is violent.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Your speech is violent.
How many times have you?

Speaker 2 (54:50):
heard that before.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
We never had this level of corruption of language
and I started speaking aboutthis a few years ago too.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Proper English and language yes.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
We've lost truth and precision in language.
We don't have justice anymore.
We have social justice, whichis not justice.
It's actually revenge.
We don't have equality.
We have equity, which is notequality.
Equity is theft gettingsomething that you didn't earn
and stealing it from someoneelse.
We don't have truth.

(55:23):
We have affirmation which isnot actually affirming at all.
It's actually denying.
It's denying reality.
We have laws now that have beenpassed by some school boards I
can't remember what state orwhat county they were passed.
Local cities passed these lawsthat stated that if you, as a
parent, go to the school boardand you, no, not even at the

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school board, if you write aletter, if you issue a campaign,
a public proclamation, if youshow up at a meeting and if you
make any comments in writing orspoken that make any of the
school board membersuncomfortable, meaning
emotionally upset, you arebanned from participating in the
school board meetings.
You are banned from being oncampus physically and you can be

(56:06):
fined civilly.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
But they're okay to make us feel.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Apparently, that is completely fine and completely
protected.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
And has been for a while.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
It's amazing, isn't it?
I really wish that moreAmericans the far left that are
pushing contemporary Marxism arelost.
They're bad people, but mostAmericans are not on the far
left that are pushingcontemporary Marxism are lost.
They're bad people, but mostAmericans are not on the far
left.
They're just in this kind ofsquishy middle zone.
They would call themselvesliberals or Democrats or liberal
Democrats, whatever you want.

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I wish more of the people inthat group, so not the
conservative group, because wealready know what's going on.
We have been for a long time.
But that 50%, 60% in the middle, I'm going to say the left is
probably under 20%, maybe under10.
That 60% in the middle.
I wish more Americans who arethere in that group would start
to acknowledge just one basicthing Just start to acknowledge

(56:57):
what's actually happening, startto acknowledge reality, start
to accept the truth of what'sgoing on.
Decide the truth of what's goingon, decide.
Just that's all you need to do.
I'm not even asking you toagree with me or believe in my
opinion.
I couldn't care less.
I don't want agreement, I wantactually conflict.
I think we should have moreconflict.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yes, it's so healthy.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
We need that healthy conflict in order to find out
what's right and wrong, who'sthe winner, who's the loser.
So please disagree by all means, but please just bring reality
to the table.
Bring reality to the ring.
Don't come with lies, Don'tcome with delusions, Don't come
with psychoses.
Don't create a false, afictitious world and use that as

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your straw man argument,because we're seeing the results
of that path, what this isleading up to.
We're seeing this idea that themore money we take from taxes
and spend on homelessness, theworse the problem gets.
Just acknowledge that first,Then we can talk about how to
fix the problem.
But you have to acknowledgethat what we're doing isn't
working.
And if it's not working, ifwhat?

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7% fewer than 10% of blackstudents in LAUSD can read and
write when they finish highschool and are passing grade
levels one to the next.
That's a failure.
That's an abject failure.
Some schools are 0% literate incertain minority groups.
But these schools are gettingmore and more and more money and
teachers are getting more andmore money.

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We're spending more on publiceducation in California than any
country in the world outsideSwitzerland, I think.
It's up to about $16,000 perpupil per year.
That is a lot of money.
I bet you could use that moneyas a homeschooling mother and do
a much, much better job with it.
And yet that's what we'repaying in taxes.
That's why our property taxesare so high.
Largely it's to pay for allthese outsourced administrative

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bloat over the schools.
We have what?
60, 100 school administratorsfor every teacher now in LAUSD.
This is absurd.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
It is, and what?

Speaker 1 (58:53):
are they doing?
I have no answer to thatquestion.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
We don't know.
We don't know.
You said something earlier.
It was interesting.
You said conservative side, weknew what was happening.
It was interesting.
You said conservative side, weknew what was happening.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I started to see red flags of what was happening when
God was removed from schools,and this was years ago.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
What was it Like over 10 years ago?
We don't have the Pledge ofAllegiance anymore.
That was the biggest red flagthat I went oh why, why, and I
think we should have donesomething then the reason why we
waited too long To answer yourfirst question, the reason why
it happened.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
It was, I think, very specific, which is that if you
remove God, you remove God as anauthority, and if you remove
God as an authority, then you nolonger have to follow God's
rules.
You have to follow thesubstitute.

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God figure which is going to bethe principal, the politician,
the corporation, the media, thefederal government.
That's the reason why it wastaken out.
And it was also taken outbecause those who wish to
inhabit the delusional fantasythat they are again getting back
to narcissism the mostimportant, more important that

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they are gods.
I am an Instagram influencerwith 10 million followers.
I am God.
Don't tell me that there issomeone above me.
No one is above me.
So that narcissism, thepsychological illness, bred the
what I would call strategicdecision and it was very
strategic and power-driven toremove God from our entire

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structure of society, especiallyin the schools.
That way, we can bring in notan altar or a flag or a prayer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
It's easier with kids .

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Much easier.
Let's just get a flag with 100different colors and a board
that has 2,500 different sexualgender identities and pronouns.
That will be now what weworship.
We're going to worship ideology, human-driven ideology.
I think that's why it happened.
I mean, obviously that didn'thappen overnight.
No, that took years.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
It did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
That's where we've come to now.
So I think it was verystrategic.
I think it was driven in partby psychological illness, partly
by the corrupt drive for power,and you can see the results
Taking God out of the schoolshas made us far worse.
It has not made us better.
It doesn't matter whether youbelieve in God or not and
whether you're religious or not.
And again, getting back toreality, acknowledge, please

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acknowledge, that we are worseoff.
Now.
You can argue whether you likeit or don't like it.
Same thing with feminism.
You can argue whether you likefeminism, it doesn't matter, I
don't care but acknowledge thatit has wrecked our society.
Acknowledge a secular societyis a worse society.
Acknowledge a feminist-runsociety is a worse society.
Just acknowledge that realityand then at least we'll be able

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to then argue and discuss withinthe world of possible solutions
, solutions that are allpotentially workable, rather
than arguing about whether thesun rises in the east or whether
it rises in the west.
That's a dead end.
We're just wasting our timebecause we already know the
truth to that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I try to encourage women to go back to their old
ways, as I would call it is asafer way to call it.
You know, being thatstay-at-home mom is so important
.
Being feminine, being thenurture of the family, is so

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important.
Do you feel that to get towhere we need to be as
conservatives, to have a moretruthful way of living, that a
lot of these?
The way to that is to havemothers gain their power back
and their true nature back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Absolutely.
What do?

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
you think about that?

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I think that the women today are incredibly weak.
I think the women who accused,led, supported the criminal
trial of the owner of theSpanish soccer team who, in
jubilation after seeing hisgirls girls soccer team win the

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national internationalcompetition, picked one of them
up and gave her a three secondnon-sexual but excited kiss on
the on the mouth.
And then those women thatpursued him into court saying
that he's transgressed, he'sviolated her bodily autonomy,
and encouraged a law to bepassed, which just got passed
two days ago in Spain, thatstates that without affirmation

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meaning I want you to kiss meright now without affirmation, a
unsolicited kiss is considereda sexual assault, subject to, I
think it's two to three years inprison.
This is now a law in Spain asof this week.
The women that drive that areweak and they weaken all women.
It is so insulting, it is socondescending to women to say

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that a woman who receives anunwanted kiss is so destroyed,
so traumatized and so weak thatshe can't raise her arm and push
this man away and say, ohplease, I'm not into that right
at the moment that she can'ttolerate something so minuscule.
If she's that weak, how couldshe possibly tolerate childbirth

(01:04:20):
?
How could she defend her childagainst a bully, how could she
speak up for her child at school?
That requires tremendously morecourage than turning the other
cheek literally turning theother cheek when a man
approaches her for a kiss thatshe didn't affirm.
So I don't think it does womena service.
I think it does them adisservice to turn against their
traditional nature and to saythat we shouldn't have mothers.

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We shouldn't have parents.
Women should just be working.
Women should become like men.
I think that weakens women.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
It weakens women, but also men aren't really acting
like men, and I think thatthey're not, and I think that's
what makes women step up alittle bit and start taking the
masculine role.
I think both sexes are doing ahorrible job and, like what on
is is what we need to reallyprocess.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
They're filling a vacuum of lack of masculinity.
Men have become eunuchs.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
They have lost their cojones.
And when you have, when youhave a eunuch in your family, in
your business, in yourpolitical office, in your school
, on your streets as your coach,in your business, in your
political office, in your school, on your streets as your coach,
when you don't have a real manas a woman, you're going to feel

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uncomfortable, you're going tofeel unsafe, you're going to
want to jump in to protect, andthat is not your role in the
long run.
In certain times in history,women did jump and fill in.
In World War II, all the menwere gone.
Industries, factories were leftidle.
Women jumped in and theystarted working in the factories
and they did an excellent job.
But that's not their role longterm.
That is their emergencyposition, their fallback.

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They don't want to take on thatrole in perpetuity.
They knew that the war wouldend and, like you know what, I'm
just going to give up, for afew years, my role as a woman.
I'm going to roll up my sleevesand get my hands dirty and
start.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
As you should for your family, making bullets
instead of cosmetics cases?

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Absolutely, but that's not what women are doing
now.
Women are taking over the roleof men in perpetuity because the
men have left.
They're not available.
My patients say that to me inthe office.
These young women come in andsay I can't find a man to date.
Where are the real men?
I don't know where they are.
I go into a bar and I lookaround and all I see are men in
man buns and skinny jeans andtight clothes and they don't

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look physically strong.
They don't make eye contact,they will not approach me
they're scared, they are scaredand intimidated.
So it's a vicious cycle that'sgoing around and around and both
sexes are losing.
We have women who are becomingmore masculine, despite the fact
that they don't want to be,because they don't see any
masculinity anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Well, that's not our natural habitat.
It's not.
That's why we're so angry.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Women are in a bad mood now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Yes and in this case.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
I think it is justifiable anger.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
They do not know where to find men anymore.
They don't see them anywhere.
Correct.
But I have to, you know, putthe mirror back in them and say
your sex women.
You have led this, you havedriven this.
You have so driven menunderground that they don't.
They've just decided they'rechecking out.
You've got to start to support.
If you want more men, you needto start encouraging masculinity

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.
You need to start encouragingmen to offer unsolicited kisses.
You need to encourage men toapproach you to say you look
amazing, what's your name?
I want to take you out, ratherthan rolling your eyes and
screaming patriarchy.
Just because that guy may nothave been the hottest guy that
you've ever seen, because youknow what he might be a great
fit for someone else.
You've got to start encouragingfathers to defend your

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daughters.
So when a boy puts a skirt onand jumps into the soccer game
and gives your daughter aconcussion in soccer, you need
to encourage your father to pickup that guy and throw him over
the fence.
And women aren't doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
No, we're being agreeable to that.
Well, some.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Some not all, but many of them are being agreeable
, they're leading this.
And then the men obviously theyneed to start stepping up,
taking risks and, as men, shouldstrong men take those arrows.
Accept that your role is not tobe liked and loved and
appreciated by everyone.
Your role is to do good and youmight get injured emotionally,
financially, socially.
But if you do that, if you step, if you express courage and

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strength, women will see thatand strong women are attracted
to strong men.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Strong women do not want weak men, they want strong
men.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
We don't want to take on someone else's role.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Why I want to be a woman.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Let me be submissive, let me be, you know, the
nurturer.
You know, this is what I'veobserved.
I think that women can takemore physical pain than men.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
But women cannot take more emotional pain than men.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
You're right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Men are more masculine so they can take on
stress more because they'reproviders.
And providing requires a lot ofwork, a lot of hard work.
That triggers stress.
Women, physical Men they cantake more stress.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Yeah, I always observe, I'm like well, that's
why women are in bad mood.
We're pushed to be these men weare.
We're pushed to like, act likemen, talk like men, walk like
men, you know, because we'remissing the masculinity, excuse
me.
So of course that's going toput us in a bad mood.
Then there's this other piecetoo.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
You cannot be a fulfilled woman expressing your
femininity in the absence ofmasculinity.
Oh my God, the women arealready screaming.
That's how.
That's so patriarchal, that'sso misogynistic.
I can be everything I want tobe without a man.
Nonsense.
You cannot express yourfemininity without masculinity.
Think about art.
You can't express light withouthaving a shadow right.

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You need to have that contrast.
That's just almost like laws ofphysics, laws of biology.
This foolish notion thatfeminists push that you can
become more of a woman by simplyturning your backs on men and
grabbing, stealing, inculcatingthe qualities that you admire or
are envious of in men is a lie.

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It will actually make you lessof a woman.
It'll certainly make you lesshappy.
Very unhappy it will prevent youfrom being able to surrender
and fall into the strength of amale embrace, which is what is
the most gratifying part ofbeing a woman.
I firmly believe whether awoman will admit it or not I
know this is truepsychologically that every woman

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, at some level, whether it'sconscious, semi-conscious or
unconscious, every woman has afantasy of surrendering to a
strong man in the context ofsafety.
Every single woman.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
I will affirm Because , again, it's not in our nature
to be fighters no it's ournature to be nurturers.
It's a big difference and whenyou're placed in that position,
outside of your role, it's a lotfor a woman to handle.
Emotionally we get overwhelmedand yeah, you can't nurture when

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you're fighting.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
No, you can only nurture when you're safe and no,
you can only nurture whenyou're safe and you can't be
safe unless the man there that'swith you is strong.
A weak man will not provide youwith a sense of safety, and if
you don't feel safe, again feelis important here.
If you don't feel safe, you willnot act in a nurturing way, and

(01:11:26):
then you will not feel feminineand you will not feel that
you're a woman and you will bebitter and angry and envious and
nasty and you will push peopleaway.
I just I see this so often thatit's not even a theory for me
anymore, it's so clear.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
I have met so many women above 40 in their fs,
early 50s, full-on depression,yeah.
And it makes me so angry thatthis kind of behavior like oh,
go after your career, Only yourcareer is.
Oh, who cares?
Don't be a stay-at-home mom,Screw that.
Why is that important?
That's not important.
That makes me so angry becauseI see what it does to women.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
You see the consequences of that lie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
There is a consequence that makes me so
angry because I see what it doesto women.
You see the consequences ofthat lie.
It is a lie.
It's a lie that these younggirls are being brainwashed at
schools because of this idea.
What is this?
No, how many women have you metin their 50s that are like, oh
my gosh, I regret not gettingmarried?
I have literally met two womenlike this Full-on depression,

(01:12:27):
just sad home, and you know whathappens.
They become psychologicallymessed up too.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
They do, it's not only the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Let's talk about the aftermath of that too.
What happens when you don'thave a partner, when you don't
have any meaningfulconversations?
What are you going to?
Who are you going to talk to?
Your cats in your four walls?
What is that?
But then somebody will come andargue and say well, you have
friends.
Well, your friends don't gohome with you, they don't cuddle
with you.
You know how good it feels whenyou're making homemade

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sourdough and then you give itto your family to eat with a
meal that you've made and yourhusband kisses your hand and
says this was delicious and yourchild says mom, can you make
this again?
I don't know, I get emotionaljust saying that, but that's the
most meaningful thing that it'sGod-given.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
That provides a far more powerful experience than
your boss acknowledging you atthe board meeting for having
written a great report.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Yes, and giving you a raise.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
And giving you a raise.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I feel needed, yeah, and when I feel needed, I feel
that that's purposeful, that'syour purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
I would challenge any woman who has had that
experience that you justdescribed to deny its importance
and to argue that their senseof purpose, meaning and value in
their life is more fulfilled bythe accolades they received in
their work life.
Yeah, from a stranger, somebodythat just pays your salary.
I really challenge that.

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I don't think that it'sobviously.
Maybe there's one or two in thecountry.
There's always exceptions, butthat's not the point.
The point is that it is sonearly inconceivable and
undeniable, and the fact thatwomen will protest this without
thinking about it is evidence tohow strong and powerful the

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brainwashing is that leads themto believe the contrary.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Yes, fight with me on this.
Your kid walks home and smellsa home-cooked meal and I've
watched my kids do this, I swearto God.
And I just stand there watchingthem like, wow, look at what I
just did.
That was me, I did that.
Who's going to do that for youin an office?

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Who's going to do that for youin an office?
Nobody.
So I want every young woman tothink about that image that your
spouse is kissing your hand onthe dinner table and your
children are watching him dothat.
That's meaning.
That's masculinity.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Yes, it is, and that's yes.
And when parents ask me nowwhat can I do to help save my
child, I say three things Onehomeschool.
Two remove all the cell phones.
No cell phones until age 18.
And the third, which is what youjust described and exemplified,
is offer traditional, male andfemale role models man, woman,

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masculine, feminine throughexactly those simple sorts of
binary approaches that arecomplementary and that instill a
sense of safety and admirationin the hearts and minds of the
children so that as they grow up, they will start to model that
behavior and, even moreimportantly, look for the
opposite sex who can complementthat behavior and who receives

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it.
And then they don't have to gothrough years and years and
years of online dating apps andmisery and drugs and corporate
adventures and misadventuresbecause they're going to be so
focused on what they knew mademom and daddy happy that they're
going to look for that whenthey're young, when they're in
their teen years and their earlycollege years.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
You can't teach that by just giving lessons.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
It has to be modeled.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
It has to be done all the time.
Yes, it has to be part of theirlife, just like nutrition, just
like exercise, just like sleep.
It has to become a habit and soingrained that if they do get
assaulted and they will by allof the crazy ideology, they're
just going to look at them andthink that doesn't even make
sense to me.
That doesn't resonate with me,because I had day after day
seeing mommy and daddy helpingeach other, and I know that what

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you're telling me isn't.
I know it's not true.
You can't convince me of that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
That's what we need to do.
We need strong foundation inthe homes.
Feminism sucks.
Traditional families areawesome and they work.
So true, Dr McDonald.
Thank you for today.
I know it was an intenseconversation.
Thank you All right.