Ellin Mardirosian | Emotional Intelligence, Female Empowerment | The Edit Alaverdyan Podcast #33 - The Edit Alaverdyan Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My relationship with my mom is much better than the
relationship that she had withher mom A lot more closeness,
and now we talk about everythingtogether.
But it wasn't that way when Iwas young and I wish that it was
, so I want to give that to mydaughter.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
You'll have people talking about changing the world
, phenomenal dreams and goals ofchanging the world.
But then I'm like what doesyour room really look like?
If you look at your room, it'sa hot mess.
Then how the hell are you goingto change the world?

Speaker 1 (00:24):
So it's all about educating yourself.
Pick up a book, listen to apodcast, listen to a radio, read
, read, read.
So it's not about being adoctor or a lawyer.
It's really about educatingyourself about life.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
How bad would it feel if you don't have an A and you
go home and you have your facesmashed into the wall by a
parent?
And these things happenespecially in like the
Indo-European, middle Easterncultures.
Their whole reputation is inthe child's grade.
If somebody is loyal to you.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
They'll be there for you.
If somebody is loyal to you,they're not going to share your
secrets.
If somebody is loyal to you,they're not going to hold things
that have happened to youagainst you.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Hello everyone.
Today's episode was all aboutimmigration talk.
I don't mean by attorney base,but I do mean by personal
experiences shared by two womenwho come from immigrant families
.
I'm talking about EileenMartirosyan, who is a personal
injury attorney and one of ouramazing sponsors.

(01:32):
Eileen just surprises me everyday and I really genuinely
wanted to share her with all ofyou on this platform.
Two women talking about theeducational system, and not
technically about law per se,but our own personal stories
about coming from differentcountries and how difficult it
was to make it and what are theobstacles that we've endured,

(01:56):
even as mothers.
I think Aileen's story isfascinating.
She does have teachingcredentials and we dived a
little bit about public schools,private schools, homeschooling
even and, in general, justmotherhood.
She's such a joy to have aroundan incredibly knowledgeable
human being, and I really wantedto share our conversations with

(02:18):
all of you.
Whether you are a mom, whetheryou're a dad, I think that this
is going to be very educationalfor everyone.
I love her stance.
She's a very truthful,conservative woman with so much
respect for her community andher people, has really, really
genuine love and respect for herclients as an attorney.
She's an amazing attorney andhas helped so many family

(02:40):
overcome anxieties anddisheartening situations.
She's somebody in the communitywho I think anybody and
everyone should follow andadmire, and I'm very grateful
that she reached out and Ireally am excited for today's
conversation.
I think that it's going to bevery motivational as well.
We did dive into grit what gritreally looks like.

(03:03):
She does have an educationalbackground and I thought that it
was really important.
She asked me a question of howcan we teach our kids to have
grit, how can an individuallearn to have grit, and we dived
really deep into grit and whatperseverance looks like and what
we can do to gain that.
So, overall, a very genuineconversation.
Enjoy this episode, make sureto subscribe, and I am very

(03:26):
grateful for all of you, for allthe love, support and genuine
respect.
Thank you, aileen.
It's so nice to have you ontoday.
Thank you for joining us.
I'm excited to join you.
I know how are you feeling.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Good, I'm excited to chat with you and get this going
.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, I know.
So we connected a few monthsago and we connected because we
are both, you know, I would say,immigrants, you know children
of immigrants.
We migrated to the countrylater on.
Then we like kind of had towork on our success story.
Do you mind sharing a littlebit about your success story,
because I think you'rephenomenal?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Thank you, Of course.
So my parents immigrated fromIran to Germany.
We lived in Germany for about ayear and then moved to America.
So very traditional Armenianvalues is what I grew up with.
I have two older brothersincredibly strict, so it was
almost like growing up with fourparents.
Oh my gosh, my mom and dad camehere, had to learn the language

(04:26):
, had to learn how to raise usin the American school district.
Follow us, my brother was inhigh school, my other brother
was in older elementary schooland I was one.
So we have age gaps too, whichwas tough for them, I'm sure.
What are the age gaps Six yearsand 11 years 11 years.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
That's like my son and my daughter.
Oh, no way.
Yeah, noi is 11 and Nazani justturned one.
Yeah, so wow, how is that?

Speaker 1 (04:54):
by the way, you know, I think that now I have friends
who have big age gaps and it'svery different because my
brother had a totally differentupbringing than I did, being 11
and coming to a new country.
Versus being 1 and coming to anew country.
You know, I didn't feel theblow as much as somebody who's
11, leaving all his friends,having to adjust to so many

(05:16):
different things at the age of11.
I'm certain had a verydifferent impact on him than it
did on me.
So our relationship has acertain dynamic that I don't
think is very common.
Now, when I see my friends whohave children with big age gaps
because they have very similarupbringings no two kids have the
same parent they say, right,yes, but for us it was totally

(05:38):
different than what I see now.
You know, that's so interesting.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
You are so educated, you have so many degrees I would
say you mean you were a teacher, now you're an amazing attorney
.
Tell me a little bit about howthat like I always look to the
family, I'm like what did herparents do that worked?
Because it's important, likeeducation is so important.
I feel like a lot of familiesare lacking that nowadays.

(06:03):
Kids are so discouraged theydon't want to go to school.
What do you think in thattraditional household, what did
your parents do to allow thatlove for education?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
You know, from a very young age they followed my
schooling closely but didn'treally have the capacity to help
.
They were taught math in acompletely different way so they
couldn't help me if I had mathquestions and we weren't in the
position to have tutors or to besent to different programs to
supplement the math that I waslearning in public school.
All throughout elementary I wasa terrible student, no, Can you

(06:39):
describe that?
Terrible Sure.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
It's somewhat relatable to some people.
I love that.
Okay, yeah, very bad grades.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
C's, D's.
I remember being in sixth gradeand trying to turn a D into a
different letter, B or whateverlike add a little curve to it.
Yeah, it was not fun and theywere very strict, which means
there were repercussions forthose grades.
But they always followedclosely what I was doing in

(07:10):
school and encouraged me to dobetter.
So getting I would get terriblegrades, but I would also.
I was very social in class,which is now has worked to my
benefit.
I mean yeah yeah, my professionrequires that I be social and
get along with a lot ofdifferent personalities, but I
kept getting talks too much inclass.
I don't know if you guys, ifthey still do that All the time

(07:31):
yeah.
Talks too much in class.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
That's being the reason what we do today.
Yeah, so work for my benefit.
Did you get detention fromtalking too much?
Oh, yeah, all the time.
And did you talk too much?
My mom's like you, stop talking.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Oh yeah, why, I don't know.
I mean, why were you such atalker?
I think maybe because at home Ididn't have like people close
to my age.
I'd go home.
My brothers were in a differentlike age category and where we
lived I didn't have.
Our second home that we livedin didn't have neighbors my age.

(08:07):
Our first apartment that wewere in I had a bunch of little
girls and boys that were veryclose in my age, but we moved
when I was about six or sevenand where we moved to was an
older community, so the peoplethere didn't have young children
.
So when I would go home therewas nobody really to play with
and socialize with.
So perhaps it was because ofthat when I was in school.

(08:28):
Yeah, maybe I'm just thinkingof it now.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
And you were the only girl in the household too.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Two older brothers.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I mean, that worked out to your benefit.
Yeah, yeah, I love that.
So so OK, so they monitoredyour grades, they did.
And then what happened?
Like, how did you then thinkthat At one point did you think
that education was important?
I mean, everyone has that hitright.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
That's so true, and I think of this often.
And it was really when Ientered high school.
Yes, yeah, freshman year ofhigh school, it was like a light
bulb turned on, like, okay, itmatters now.
And I don't know what turnedthat light bulb on.
Maybe it was the consistency ofmy parents constantly telling
me that it matters yes, I'mgonna cut you off there 100

(09:10):
times.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Sorry, but I wanted to add to that.
You know how, like sometimes Imean we're, we're fairly like
the same age group, but like youknow how sometimes parents say,
like no matter how many times Itold you, you just never got it
.
Yeah, I think that it's.
It's so true.
No matter how many times I toldyou, you just never got it.
I think that it's so true, likeno matter how many times you
tell your kid they just need toget it on their own.

(09:31):
And I truly try to have a lotof parents understand this no
matter how many times you tellthem school's important,
school's important, they're notgoing to genuinely feel that
until they hit a certain age.
And it's kind of like whatyou're explaining.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Definitely I didn't think of it that way, and that's
so valid.
That's so valid.
It wasn't until freshman yearlight bulb Okay, it matters now.
And then in high school APclasses, straight A's, 4.0's
like it suddenly mattered.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
And I pulled through.
You did, and that's sointeresting.
You said AP classes that many,many little girls and boys will
live their life thinking thatthey're not smart.
But it's just like that clickfactor.
It's not because you're notintelligent or you're not smart
or you don't have grit, it'sthat motivational factor, like

(10:23):
it just needs to click, like isthis important for me to put my
effort into it?
That's so true, that's sointeresting.
I love that Learning to applyyourself.
And then you went to law school.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
No, first you went to yeah, first I went and got my.
Yeah, I got my teachingcredentials.
My bachelor's degree I did likean integrated program where I
was able to do that in fouryears.
I always liked the idea ofbeing a teacher, like I remember
lining up my stuffed animalsand playing with them that way.
And when I was in third grade Iremember my family was like

(10:58):
glued to the TV watching the OJtrial.
Oh my God.
So I had like an interest inboth and I'd created like a
little office for myself undermy God.
So I had like an interest inboth and I'd created like a
little office for myself undermy desk.
I'd put like a blanket over andit was like my office space.
So I had an interest in botheducation and law and I did the
integrated teacher educationprogram right out of high school

(11:18):
and I was very young when Istarted teaching I was 21.
So I thought maybe I could domore.
So I got my master's degree at22 in education and psych.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
That's relatively young to get a master's degree.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, I did it right away.
I was like let me just do thisnow, you were so focused I was,
I bet I was very determined toachieve my goal.
Just go, go, go.
I usually do that when I havemy eye on the ball, I don't
pause and think about it toomuch, because I feel like if I
start thinking about it too much, the thoughts will consume me

(11:50):
and it'll give me reason to sitback down.
So, yeah, I'm kind of like agoer.
I try not to attach words,especially negative words, like
oh it's hard, oh it's too much,oh I'm tired to my path, my
journey.
So that's something that I'vebeen mindful of since I was
young.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
So tell us where you started teaching first.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
I started teaching at the Learning Castle.
I taught there kindergartnersand first graders.
They do like a split class andbecause I had my master's degree
, I would kind of.
I went from kindergarten tofirst to first and second, then
third, then fourth.
And because I had my master'sdegree, I went from kindergarten
to first to first and second,then third, then fourth, and I
taught all the way to fifthgrade when I was there.
How was that experience?
I loved it.
I loved teaching so much and Ibecame very close with the

(12:36):
families there, with the parents.
I'm still very close with them,the students and the parents.
We kind of built a bond that'sso special and a lot of them
have become family to me.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
I know I'm sure.
Eileen, I have a question foryou, since you are in the
education system and you'reknowledgeable in this.
Do you think that a lot ofteachers I mean I don't know if
they teach this in schools butdo you think that emotional
intelligence is important for ateacher to have as a skill?

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Oh, absolutely, that's a very good deep question
.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Why do you think that these educational schools are
not teaching these?
I mean, it's only focused on IQversus EQ.
I think that that's so wrong.
What?

Speaker 1 (13:23):
are your thoughts about that?
I agree 100%.
When I was a teacher, I focuseda lot on what was making the
children detach when they'd comeback from recess or lunch, and
I kind of started picking up onthe fact that when they're
playing and their other childrenare not playing with them, if
they're sitting alone at snacktime or sitting alone at

(13:44):
lunchtime or having a fight atrecess and coming back to the
class, it was a lot moredifficult to focus and
concentrate on the subjectmatter.
So I made an intentional effortto buddy them up or let the hey
, you know so-and-so sittingalone at recess, why don't you?
You have a really nice group offriends and you look like
you're having fun.

(14:04):
Go play with so-and-so.
And then they'd come back, andit was a totally different
learning experience for themwhen they'd come back, because
their confidence had built too,and so it was very important for
me to teach that to all of mystudents you don't like sitting
alone, so and making them awareof the feelings that their peers

(14:25):
were feeling.
I think that now it's a lotabout numbers.
The education system haschanged drastically.
It's not like it used to bewhen I was a kid, that homey
feeling, or at least publicschools.
Private schools, of course, area little bit different, but in
public schools it's all aboutthe numbers that you're meeting,
or the teachers meeting thestandards that they're supposed

(14:46):
to be teaching, and I think thefocus on those is really taking
away from honing into thechildren and seeing what's
affecting them when they'recoming into your classroom.
Is it how they were at home?
Can you help them detach fromthat when they're in the
classroom so that their level ofeducation can increase?

(15:08):
It's changed and it'sunfortunate Very.
Do you feel that?

Speaker 2 (15:14):
it's right to determine if the child is
capable by a grade.
No, I had terrible gradesgrowing up in grade school, I
mean not exactly like I know, ohno.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Are my report cards online?
Don't hire her.
She got C's in elementaryschool.
Oh my gosh, you're right.
Yeah, that was so funny.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
But I feel that's so discouraging to see.
Oh, you have all straight A's.
Because this is what I've kindof discovered and I'm thinking
from a therapeutic backgroundthat having straight A's could
also be a trauma response.
Yeah, like how bad would itfeel if you don't have an A and

(16:01):
you go home and you have yourface smashed into the wall by?

Speaker 1 (16:04):
a parent.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Right, and these things happen especially in,
like the Indo-European, MiddleEastern cultures.
Their whole reputation is inthe child's grade.
So that's besides the point.
My thing is like why are wedetermining the child's worth by
a grade?
Why are we doing this?
Where did we go wrong?
Where is the emotionalintelligence in that?

(16:28):
I don't know.
That's like a deeper, deeperquestion, I know, but it's so
unfortunate that these thingsare happening in these
educational systems.
It really is.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
I mean, if you ask me , it'd be much better to grade
the children on effort, yeah,and well-roundedness, as opposed
to just what grade they'regetting on their test.
Maybe they had a bad day, maybesomething's going on at home
that we can help with, you know,providing.
I think of this often and Ithink it would be so nice to

(16:59):
have therapists at school tohelp kids who are troubled at
home navigate these situations,like if they're being abused
when they're getting bad grades.
Who can they talk to?
Who can help?
How can we, as how caneducators not me anymore, but
how can educators tap into thatin a legal capacity and help, as

(17:23):
opposed to just simply submit areport?
Oh, this child had.
I did my teaching credentials ata public school and there were
unfortunately it was a very lowsocioeconomic district and there
were children that were infoster care and were getting
abused.
That we learned of and it wasjust about reporting.
I mean, how sad is that?

(17:44):
I mean you just have to, youhave an obligation as an
educator to report it.
Then what?
It's sad that your duty endsthere.
What do?

Speaker 2 (17:52):
you think that what skills, besides the emotional
intelligence, should the teacherhave to be able to have that
empathy for the kids andunderstanding?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
That's a really good question and I think it goes to
what I always advocate for is dowhat you love.
If these teachers loved whatthey did, they would do much
better.
Don't just become a teacherbecause it was easier for you to
do that than something else.
Tap into what you love and ifyou have a passion for educating

(18:23):
or if you have a passion forchildren, then follow that
journey for yourself, because Ithink that the disconnect comes
from not loving what they dothese educators or trying to
push a particular agenda.
Some of these educators have anagenda that's self-fulfilling
and that's where the problemreally lies.
Can you tell us what thatself-fulfilling and that's where

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the problem really lies.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Can you tell us what that self-fulfilling looks like?

Speaker 1 (18:48):
If they have particular political views that
they want to— Like publicschools right now whatever is
happening.
Exactly.
If they have a particular viewon politics, that should stay at
home with them instead of beingpressed onto our students.
And the students should justreally be nurtured and cared for

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and taught.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, not.
Politics has no space ineducation, has no space in
education, education, I mean,this is what I feel.
I feel like teachers are secondmothers.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I agree, and it's not unless you feel that way that
you're going to do a good job.
Yeah, yeah, you have to takethat to do a good job.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, yeah, you have to take that Like being a mom
yeah, even if you're not Exactlythe image of parenting.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, yeah, and I was very young when I started
teaching I was only 21, butstill had that love for what I
did and love for the childrenand the passion and the
compassion for them, and so Ithink that that's what's lacking
in some of these educators yes.
And also, I think that ateacher has to have a good

(19:54):
mental health, absolutely.
Oh my God, that's brilliant.
Why don't you?

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, you cannot.
It's the same thing withclinicians.
There's such a protocol rightFirst you have to pass your law
and ethics and things that aresort.
But teachers should also havethe same agenda.
And I also going back to whatyou were saying about how you
were so young.
You became a teacher, but youhad this love and this feeling

(20:17):
of nurture that comes from yourmother.
So if you had a pretty decenthousehold, that kind of
transfers into the relationshipsyou're going to have with your
students and other people.
So if you've had a prettymessed up life and then you
decide to go and be a teacher,every little thing that a child
does it's going to irk you thewrong way.
Therefore, it's going to bleedinto the way you teach.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
I think that's so true.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
I think that mental health is so important in
teachers Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Solid.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
That's what I have to tell you.
I respect the older classteachers, like the American
women with the cat earrings orthe dog, or like it was
Christmas time You'd have likethe teachers wearing Christmas
earrings.
I think I think everybody willknow what I'm talking about If
they went to school in the 90s.
You know I had a Miss Perry, Ihad a Mrs Snell.
She used to wear like earringsof Snells and it was so

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nurturing Like they felt likeour moms.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Absolutely Like the warmth that they exude when
they're wearing their Christmasvests and their ugly Christmas
sweaters that they don't thinkis ugly.
They don't think it, but theylove it and it brings so much
warmth and joy they don't thinkit's ugly.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I know the best with the dress shirts.
I will never forget those days.
It was like, yeah, they werelike second moms.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
That's so funny, you brought that up.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, so like what happened to those days?
I don't know, I miss those days, I miss those days too, and
luckily for us, our privateschool it's all teachers like
that, and I gravitated towardsthis school just because of that
feeling, because I wanted mykids to have that feeling.
But tell us this, and we'regoing to get into law because I
know it's such an interestingtopic too.

(22:00):
But what do you think is thesole difference between private
and public?
Since you worked in?

Speaker 1 (22:06):
both.
I have a hard time saying thisout loud, but I just think it's
the caliber of teachers, and Ithink that, as a director of a
private school, you really focuson the quality of educator that
you're hiring, yeah, whereas ina public school that criteria

(22:30):
doesn't necessarily exist.
It's lower, you mean Lowerstandards.
I think that in public schoolit's just the check marks that
you meet.
You know, like, do you havethis degree?
Yes, did you interview?
Well?
Yes, and that's really it.
Whereas in public schools, Ifeel like, because they're
smaller and they're run bypeople who either generally

(22:53):
they're run by people who ownthem, so they have a deeper
connection to their work productthat's their baby.
The schools are their babies,and so they really take time,
effort, energy and choose withlove who they're hiring to teach
these children, and I thinkthat's the difference.

(23:15):
What about family?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
What do you mean?
Like is there a different classof families?

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Oh, so yes and no.
When I was a teacher, therewere families who were not, you
know, barely making ends meet,but pooling together money to
put their children in a privateschool because the area that
they lived in didn't have highlyranked educational schools, and

(23:43):
so they were.
So, in a sense, yes, right,because it's people who
prioritize education sometimesmore you know, yeah, so going in
a circle the answer is yeah.
It's people who yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
And I say this with so much such warmth.
I don't mean to be, because itdoes.
It comes off as judgmental, butat the end of the day it's like
you're going to offend peopleanyway.
So it doesn't matter, but it is.
It is a different class,because and I've noticed this
from just my professionalbackground too that I feel like
people that tend to prioritizeeducation lean more towards

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private.
It doesn't mean that publicschool parents don't.
Maybe it's like a affordingfactor for them.
It's not a lot of people, it isexpensive.
It is like crazy expensive, butmajority of families that I've
met kind of lean towards privatebecause it's a healthier choice
for their family.
Do you think that?
Well, first of all, let me tellyou this If you have a

(24:40):
first-time mom, like herdaughter is getting ready or her
son is getting ready to school,they come to you.
They're like Aileen, what am Igoing to do?
Should I go to public first orprivate?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
What is your advice?
So lately I've been advocatingmore and more for private
schools, because so manyArmenians who live in really
good neighborhoods are actuallyputting their kids in private.
And I'm like, what are you guysdoing?
Like, let's use the resourcesthat are available to us.
The public schools are actuallygood public schools in certain
districts that a lot ofArmenians live in, but they're

(25:12):
all gravitating towards theprivate schools.
So I would say it reallydepends on where you live and
what public school your kids areassigned to.
Based on where you live,because some public schools are
highly ranked and some are notand what I mean is by the
education level and also theneighborhood that it's in.
Do you feel safe andcomfortable living also the
neighborhood that it's in youknow, or do you feel safe and
comfortable living in theneighborhood that you live in,

(25:33):
putting your kid in that publicschool, or are you afraid that?
I hate to say it, but are youafraid of safety issues?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Are you not just yeah , not just education Gun issues
in schools nowadays?

Speaker 1 (25:45):
So it really depends on where they live.
I have friends who live inareas where I'm like you know
what?
You should consider a charterschool.
If you can't afford a publicschool, apply to the charter
school.
I have friends that live ingreat areas and they're putting
their kids in private and I'mlike reconsider those public
schools.
There's a reason why they'renationally ranked, you know.

(26:06):
So it's circumstantial.
Really, are you going to putyour daughter to private?
I don't want to.
Why?
I really don't want because Ihad such a good public school
experience and so did my husband.
Went to public school ourentire education.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, we're a product of public, as I.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
And so I don't want to.
I'd prefer to do a publicschool, also for diversity, like
you mentioned earlier.
Like is it a different pool ofpeople in private and public,
and it is so.
I would love for my child togrow up experiencing the same
diversity that I experienced,which really provide me with a
wealth of knowledge that I'mable to use now in my career,

(26:46):
and I'd love for her to havethat too.
What schools?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
do you like public?
What are you looking for?
The.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
La Cunada school district is incredible.
It really is so they're doingphenomenal, I know, but so many
people in La Cunada are puttingtheir kids in private.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Because they have aunts and uncles who live there.
They live in freaking God knowswhere and they use their
address from them.
People, you guys are insane.
Yeah, I know they're like wait,you don't live in Laguna.
How's your school?
A kid going to this school andthey're like my uncle lives
there I'm like, oh my gosh kindof okay, so tell us okay, so,

(27:21):
teacher.
And then boom, you're anattorney.
How did that happen?

Speaker 1 (27:25):
oh my gosh so I was young when I became a teacher
and I got my master's at 22 andI was considering getting my PhD
in education and doingadministrative work in the
educational world.
But at the time they wereactually laying off teachers, so
the educational system was kindof cutting back and I was like,
OK, if I go to school for fourmore years and get my PhD in

(27:46):
education, what chance do I haveof getting a really good job
really quickly?
Little education.
What chance do I have ofgetting a really good job really
quickly?
Little.
So I thought what degree can Iget that I can do a variety of
things with.
That won't limit me, and I'mlike let me get a JD, I know.
Whatever, that's the next one.
So Was it hard?
It was.
It wasn't an easy journey atall.

(28:07):
It was, um, what's difficult?

Speaker 2 (28:09):
It was challenging.
Tell us about that.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
I didn't know any attorneys in my circle, not in
my family, not in, not asfriends, so there was nobody I
could really go to withapplication process and you went
to Pepperdine.
That's a pretty prestige school.
I went to Pepperdine for mymaster's and then I went to UNLV
.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, ah, I thought you went to law, but still, it's
still a prestige school?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, for sure.
So I wanted to also incorporateeducation and law, and there
was a program at UNLV calledKids Court School and it taught
children who were either victimsor witnesses of crimes how the
courtroom process works, and wewould teach them one day and

(28:53):
then the the next day we woulddo mock trial with them.
Oh my, I know it's such abeautiful program.
Dr Rebecca Nathanson is stillrunning that program today out
of UNLV and it's changed.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I would love to interview her.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Oh my gosh, she's so great.
Connect me to her.
I would love that.
Yeah, she's so passionate, sogreat.
Connect me to her.
I would love that yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
She's so passionate.
She created this program I lovethings like that Really From
scratch, so it's her owncreativity.
I wonder how she thought ofthat.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
She was at UCLA and I think it might've been like her
, her PhD.
What is it called?
The?
The like the final assignmentthey have to submit.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Oh, the dissertation?
I think so, but ask her forsure.
Well, no, phd is dissertation.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Dissertation.
Ask her when you interview her.
Yeah, I would love to.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
I'll read her dissertation.
I know it's like super longProbably, but I would love to.
I'm, like, fascinated withscholars.
She's a scholar, basically.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
I met her, I fell in love with her.
We bonded immediately and I didmy first internship in personal
injury and that's how I pivotedto the PI world.
But still I use my knowledgeand education every day with
clients.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
With your work Every day.
How so Tell us that's sointeresting, because it's so
different.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
It's so different but it's so similar.
You have to educate yourclients.
I educate them every day.
I talk to them about theprocess because a lot of whether
or not they're immigrants orbeen born and raised in America,
they don't know to the levelthat we do about the personal
injury world.
So I like to educate them sothat they make the best

(30:26):
decisions for themselves fromday one.
A lot of people don't know thatif you don't treat, you're not
going to get the samecompensation.
If you're in pain, you need totreat.
Otherwise it's as though youdidn't treat at all and you're
not going to get the samecompensation.
So it's a lot of educating myclients and teaching them like
they're my students in the field, and I think that that's what

(30:48):
really sets me apart from a lotof other attorneys.
To be honest with you, say it,yeah, I really think so, because
we connect when we have theseconversations.
A lot of men, a lot of evenwomen actually, we have a hard
time saying when we're in painand I kind of have to break that

(31:08):
down.
So there comes my psychologydegree.
It's like don't be embarrassed,don't be shy.
If you don't say it now, you'regoing to be taken complete
advantage of by defense.
If you don't go to the doctorsand you say, I'm fine, because
you're used to that, they'regoing to pay you very little at
the end of your case.
This is the time to say it.
So you're experiencing it,explain it, and I really have to
break it down for them that way.
Because they want to play.
They're used to playing thetough guy, the breadwinner of

(31:31):
the home, so they have a hardtime saying, oh my God, I was
just rear-ended and I can't goback to work tomorrow.
They want to push throughbecause that's their mentality.
So I have to break it down forthem, talk with them, and then
it really changes the trajectoryof their case, ellie needs also
fear.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yes, there's so much fear in, like Middle Eastern
cultures, indo-european cultures, that, oh, what if this happens
?
What if that happens?
It's like they never takeadvantage of what is theirs,
what's right, what their rightis, what's given to them.
That's very true.
That's very true.
It's so interesting, right?
It's always fear.
Majority of the time.

(32:09):
It's like fear that wach, as wesay it.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, when you break it down for them, that is
exactly what it is, becausethey're afraid.
It's also money too, right,Because there's.
Oh, if I say I'm scared, whatif the doctor puts me on
disability and then I can't goto work?
Or what if I have to miss workbecause of my doctor's
appointment and my boss fires me?
So it's fear and not knowingwhich is where.
Well then, you have adisability discrimination case

(32:35):
if your boss fires you for yourdoctor's appointment.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, listen, there are so many laws and regulations
to protect people, and this iswhy I feel that education is so
important.
When I say education, I don'tmean people going to school and
becoming doctors and lawyers,but reading about their rights,
especially if you're new to thecountry.
Read about your rightsAbsolutely.
Like people are afraid of themost silliest things ever.
Like there's a thing calleddefamation in this country.

(33:06):
If somebody goes after yourname, slaughters your name, you
can sue.
Like I tell my clients this allthe time don't worry, just just
learn about laws andregulations so that you're able
to be a little bit moreconfident and leave live freely.
This country is all about that,even though I feel that you
know free speech is promoted butnot supported, but that's a

(33:27):
whole different topic oh yeahbut yeah, like learn, learn,
learn, learn, learn, read, learnread.
About research I, but that's awhole different topic.
Oh yeah, but yeah, like learn,learn, learn, learn, learn read
learn, read, about research.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
I know and that's such a good point that you bring
up because I was just havingthis conversation with somebody
very close to me.
They were telling me aboutsomebody's story and I was like,
look, if you're telling me sothat I could feel sorry for them
I can't keep feeling sorry forthis person because they need to
help themselves so I could tellyou what they could do to get
out of the rut that they're in,because I've been in so many

(33:56):
ruts before.
You know, you don't getanywhere in life without having
to experience difficulties,challenges, hurdles.
I can offer my opinion andsuggestion on how they can help
themselves.
I can't feel sorry for them, soit's all about educating
yourself.
Pick up a book how they canhelp themselves.
But I can't feel sorry for them, so it's all about educating
yourself.
Pick up a book, listen to apodcast, listen to a radio, read
, read, read.
So it's not about being alawyer or an attorney but really

(34:18):
I'm sorry a doctor or a lawyer.
It's really about educatingyourself about life.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, being a more well-rounded person Also, it's
good for your kids.
Yeah, I mean like when you'rean immigrant, you're not aware
of a lot of things like allthese vaccines that are pushed
onto kids and all that stuff Ifyou're not aware they're going
to control your kid.
Why would you want the societyto teach your kids versus you?

(34:45):
It has to come from the home ithas to.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
The first school is your home.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
It has to come from the home it has to.
The first school is your home,so I don't know.
I always advocate for people toeducate themselves and you know
moms too younger, older,whatever, like it's never too
late to pick up a book and readsomething.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Absolutely.
You talk a lot about somereally cool books, like the
five-second rule book.
You've read that one.
Make your bed.
You talk about that one a lot.
These are things that I read.
I didn't know I mean it?
Didn't come to me.
I read that and I implement thelittle things.
It comes from little things tooright, Implement little things
and it makes such a bigdifference in your life.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Like honestly, yes, you'll have people talking about
changing the world.
They have these dreams,phenomenal dreams, and goals of
changing the world.
But then I'm like what doesyour room really look like?
If you look at your room, it'sa hot mess.
Then how the hell are you goingto change the world if you
can't even change one thing inyour room?

(35:41):
You know, but that also comesfrom a parent.
You'll have people say, oh, Iread this book and it was about
making your bed.
Your entire life, your entirelife, your mother was asking you
to make your bed yeah, yeah,that's so true.
You give credit to people likedavid goggins and jordan
peterson.
Oh, they said, make your bed.
But your mom has been rootingfor you to clean and make your

(36:03):
bed your whole life.
Not once did you take that intoconsideration.
That's so true.
But, yeah, like, everythingstems from the little things.
Like, if you want to change theworld and be this big person
like, look at your surroundingfirst.
Like, what can you change inyour surrounding?
What did you change in yoursurrounding?
Have you ever changed yoursurrounding?
Oh, yeah, you have All the time.
Have you had stinky friendsbefore?

(36:23):
I still do.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Why are they in your life?
No, I meant, I still change myoh.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
I thought you meant you still have stinky friends.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I'm like Ellie.
What, thank God?
No, because it's very difficultto do it once the first time,
to be like you know what thisperson is not.
I don't want to say serving me,because it sounds yucky to say
it that way, but it's energytransfer.
It's energy transfer.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Duality you give me I give you, yeah Right.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Duality you give me, I give you, yeah, and it took a
while for me to get to a pointwhere it became easier for me to
be like you know what thisperson's energy in my life is
not doing any good for me.
I can't do like the negativetalks or, like you know, in
moderation I mean, we're friendsin moderation you want to talk
about things that are bugging,that's different, but when their

(37:11):
whole being is like anegativity, I can't do it.
Yeah, and so it drains you.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
It's so draining.
What do you think a good,what's a good quality that you
look for in a friend?
Loyalty, vladimir Putin'sfavorite.
I'm fascinated by the guy'sbrain, by the way, I don't know
what people think of him.
I don't care, but I think he'sincredibly intelligent and every
interview in translation thatI've watched, they've asked him

(37:40):
what do you look for in a personand what's not forgivable?
He says trail.
Oh yeah, like he's always, andI'll always remember that it's
for me too by the way.
I concur.
Preach to the choir.
I think that loyalty why isloyalty important for you.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Everything else comes later.
So if somebody is loyal to you,they'll be there for you.
If somebody is loyal to you,they're not going to share your
secrets.
If somebody is loyal to you,they're not going to hold things
that have happened to youagainst you or things that
you've gone through against you.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
You know what I mean.
Have you ever had?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
that friend that's like do you remember when that?
And you're like yeah, that taperecorder.
Yeah, I love it, that taperecorder.
And it's like why Unless you'retrying to make me feel bad why
would you bring up somethingRight so that all stems from
loyalty, even in not just infriends, but also in my team,
like at work, in the people thatI hire?
That's the number one thing Ilook for, and I feel like you

(38:36):
can tell from the energy thatthey exude.
At an interview.
I'm like, okay, this person'sand I've gotten better at it,
but you can pick up on whetheror not they're going to be loyal
to you.
You can teach the rest, you canteach the skill.
If they have grit and loyalty.
That's all you need.
Those are the two things tomake the formula work.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, 100%.
Why is grit important for you?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
No matter what, they're going to aim for the
best.
They're going to aim to dotheir best and they're going to
come up with you Persevere,persevere, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Exactly what kind of a friend are you?

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I'm a loyal friend.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, I'm a good friend, I'm somebody that you
could call at midnight.
I'm somebody that you can.
I'll be there, you know.
Yeah, I strive for it, and I'ma person that doesn't have a
million friends.
I have a few very good friendsthat have been in my life for
many years.
Of course, my door is alwaysopen and I'm, you know, meeting

(39:40):
so many people nowadays and Ilove bringing them into my life
too, but I prefer having qualityover quantity when it comes to
friendships.
When did you learn that I'vealways been that way.
It's interesting, I've neverbeen.
The oh, numbers are moreimportant ever since a very
young age.
Do you learn that I've alwaysbeen that way?
It's interesting, I've neverbeen.
The oh, numbers are moreimportant ever since a very
young age.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Do you think that it's important for a woman to
have friends?
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Absolutely.
We need somebody to complainabout our husbands too, that are
not our husbands yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
But I feel like it's so hard to have friendships
nowadays.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
It is because life has also become so busy.
Life has changed.
I think of this often.
You know, we have so many moresocial obligations, too, than
our parents did.
A lot of our jobs requirenetworking, whereas back in the
day it wasn't so much that way?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, because one lady decided to fight for
equality.
Yeah, why Seriously decided tofight for equality?
Yeah, why?

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Seriously, I was better off.
Why did you have to do that tome?
Oh my gosh, I would have beenfine.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Have you seen those reels online?
It's like it's Ms Dracht andthen you meet the person that
was fighting for a woman'srights.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
I send those to my husband all the time Like what
the hell?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Why no, I mean.
But then people say, well, youwouldn't have a right to vote.
Like, yeah, we would have madesomething happen, yeah that's
true, but not to this extentwhere now men can't make that
amount of money to support likeone.
I mean.
Yes, they can, but it's hardfor a lot of families.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
The woman has to work too to be able to survive.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
The dual income is a thing, it is a thing.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
So now we're like pushed into, stepping out of our
natural roles, and so that'swhy I always talk about this.
I'm like you know it is.
It's friendship is affected byall of this.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Truly, yeah, honestly it is.
It's because we have to docertain things in order to get
life going.
Like we have to go to the kid'sbirthday.
I mean, you don't want your kidto be the only one not going to
all the birthdays, now all theclassmates invite them to every
birthday.
You have like 12 birthdays amonth and then you have like

(41:49):
weddings, you have baby showers,you have your friend's
housewarming.
You have so much socialobligation, which is why it's
important to kind of narrow thatdown to what's really important
to you.
Who's really important to you?
Be selective.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
It's important?
I think it is too, because thenyou can't show up for everybody
.
Do you believe in that, sayingwomen can't have it all, or do
you think women can have it all?
I think we can have it all.
Tell me about that.
Do you disagree?
Yeah, yeah, but that's okay.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, of course it is .
Tell me yours, I'll tell youyou.
Tell me yours, I'll tell youmine.
Sure, I think it's difficult,but I also like think that I
recently learned to take thatword out of my vocabularies and
not use it to describe my thecan't.
Yeah, not the can't.
It's hard, it's difficult.
I don't like using those wordsanymore so I had to teach myself
Don't keep saying that, becausethen you're going to manifest

(42:45):
that.
So I think you can work and youcan be a good mom.
You just have to find thebalance.
And a good friend and a gooddaughter and a good sister.
You just have to find thebalance in your schedule.
So if it requires cutting somestuff out, you need to learn
what it is that you're okay withslicing off.

(43:05):
You know, and if you aremaintaining these good
friendships, they're not goingto mind if you miss their events
At the core of it exactly Atthe core of it.
They're still a good friend.
So that's really what I'velearned.
Like you know what I can do itIs it difficult?
At times it is, but I try notto focus on the difficulty of it
and kind of just move throughthe motions.

(43:25):
And I know that some phases inmy life it's going to be a lot
more difficult to balance it allthan other phases, and I've
just learned to accept that.
And by accepting that it's likeI know that this is just a
phase and my baby is not goingto need me this much when she's
off to school and once Iestablish my really good book of

(43:46):
business, I'm not going to bechained to my job either.
So the phases come and they go.
So that's how I see it.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah, so that capability piece I definitely
agree with.
That we are very strong.
It's in our essence to be verystrong and obviously because we
can also tolerate the most pain.
So, yes, but I always look atthe mental health piece, that
women are so moody nowadays.

(44:18):
And it's because we're trying tojug and like literally just
juggle so many things.
There's so many balls in theair.
You're like, okay, there's thework, then there's a daycare,
then there's family life, thenthere's cooking, then there's
cleaning.
I don't know.
I just feel like that juggle isso much that it's not
necessarily like we can't do it.
It's just the piece of it thatit's hard to do so many things

(44:42):
and be content and be in yournatural nature.
Does that make sense?
It does, because it creates adifferent mood.
We're always moody and we are,I don't care what anybody wants
it Like.
Women are so moody nowadays,constantly on the go, constantly
on the go.
And, by the way, the researchfor daycare is phenomenal to me,

(45:04):
have you been?
I mean, are you following Verylittle?
There's a woman here.
Her name is Erica Comesar.
I'm trying to get her to comeon the podcast.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
She's in New.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
York.
She's phenomenal and she's LCSWand she has done so much
research on the negative effectsof putting your child into
daycare really at a young age,and how your child is more prone
to having anxiety anddepression because that
attachment is not developedproperly.
Really, what's young, what'sconsidered like from from birth?

(45:36):
Oh, like.
It's different when a child islike five and six and they go to
school and kindergarten.
But when you put a kid intodaycare and they're like five,
six months, my child has noteven formed proper attachments
yet and it's been ripped awayfrom home and in the nurture of
people that most likely are notgoing to have a proper bond with

(45:58):
this kid in the first place.
I see so the first because,look, it's very deep.
It's very deep for me.
Who is your first relationshipever in your life?
It's your mom.
The way you form yourrelationship with mom is going
to form how you show up withpeople, how your relationships
are going to be with people.

(46:19):
So if your relationship withmom is somewhat compromised,
it's going to show up in yourlife, it's going to bleed into
your relationships.
That's why, when I say can't,it's not because we physically
can't and we shouldn't, butthere's a bigger picture there
that if being a mom is soimportant like that's dear to my

(46:42):
heart and I think a lot ofwomen have really forgotten the
true meaning behind that thatthat's, besides your career and
juggling everything, the mostimportant role in your life is
to give life and to, you know,raise tomorrow's society.
And if you're juggling 20 otherthings with that, it kind of

(47:03):
compromises that.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
I see what you're saying.
I do you know because you can't.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
It's the reality.
We're not there full time forour kids no.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
So Unfortunately we don't have two years of
maternity leave like we don't.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
It's not Europe.
It's not Europe.
You know what is it in?
Like Switzerland, I think it is.
Yeah, paternal leave, oh theyhave paternal also and
grandparents get paid.
They get paid to watch theirgrandchildren.
Really, that's a recent data Iwas looking at.
I think it's Switzerland,sweden or somewhere, something S

(47:38):
basically, and I was like NotUSA, though.
Not the USA, but my son's.
Like mom, we should move hereand let Tati Papi they'll get
paid for watching.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Your son's like brilliant, yeah, one with many
US citizens who think that way.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah.
So I was like wow, blown away.
But that's my whole reasoningbehind the can't People think I
I mean like physically we can doanything, but it compromises
our health, like so manyautoimmune diseases now amongst
women, thyroid issues, lupusissues.
It's like what's going on?
It's all these stressorsbecause we're trying to juggle
so many things.

(48:18):
It's tough.
What does a man do?
Man is a provider behind thedesk or construction worker,
whatever it is, but it's one.
One position that's to providefood for the family.
Us, that's a lot.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah, and we can't peel back from it.
I feel like it's, biologicallyspeaking, easier for a man when…
Simple thing, like when theyhear a baby cry they don't get
the same response as a womandoes, so it's easier for them to
balance than for a woman forsure, yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
So that's, I don't know.
I feel that.
And also, by the way, goingback to the loyalty piece, it
does compromise how you show upwith friends.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
I can see that.
Yeah, the energy piece you'rejust so drained.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, I can see that.
E Energy.
Yeah, just so drained.
Yeah, I can see that.
Eileen, what do you feel aboutcompetition?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
I think that healthy competition is a good thing.
You know you can use it todrive you and it's.
You can be competitive butstill be happy for your friends
or your colleagues.
Because that's how I am.
I'm very competitive in my work.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah, I was like if she only knew how I was.
Oh my God, I'm very competitivein my work.
Lokia was like if she only knewhow I was.
Oh my God, I'm so competitive.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, it's my driving force, Like, oh, this, wow,
then that's doable.
You know, like I have a friendat work and sometimes we talk
about things together and I tellhim I said, look, don't be
pissed, Use this, it will driveyou and you'll be next.
Drive you and you'll be next.
And it's true, you know, likeit's a driving force for some of
us.
I mean like if you're lackingthat, then you're probably also

(49:49):
missing, like grit, becausethat's why we work so hard, you
know, because we're like, okay,what next?
What can we do next?
What can we do better?
So it's healthy with yourselfand I know some people say like
only compete against yourselfand the older version of you.
But I, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, everybody has these great words,
but my fifth grade teacher withthe earrings of a Snell, mrs
Snell taught me to alwaysquestion authority and that from
I'm 40 years old, I took thateverywhere with me.
I said Mrs Snell taught me toquestion authority.

(50:25):
So now when I hear a person saysomething that's like wow, but
I'm like, hold on a second,you've got to question that Like
I've literally learned toquestion authority.
That has saved me from so muchtrouble, by the way.
I love that.
Yeah, you have to.
So when they say compete withyour older self or the version
of you.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yeah, no, I hear I've been seeing a lot of that.
No, and it's not me.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
You know who my competition was You're going to
laugh?
I'm all Clooney.
Oh my gosh, I love her.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Gosh.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
I grew up competing, competing with her, but it was I
didn't know her, she doesn'tknow me like she was still a
celebrity.
She's still a celebrity.
She's, you know, human rightsattorney and she was in george
clooney's wife at the.
At the time she was just amalabdullah.
Something I knew her of her atthat time I knew of her because,
I was looking for a role model.

(51:18):
I was working at the hospitaland um during my 20s, I was
literally the only armenian girlworking at providence holy.
During my 20s, I was literallythe only Armenian girl working
at Providence Holy CrossHospital.
I was in the registrationdepartment and I would see
Aileen, these young Indiandoctor girls.
They would walk by with theirwhite coats and I would just be
sitting there.
I mean I'm young, I'm like 19years old, 20 years old, and I'm

(51:39):
registering somebody forsurgery and I would call Dr
Shirakakar.
I will never forget her name.
She was so beautiful long hair,brown skin and she would just
walk over and she would justgive like her chart and I would
just look at her like I'mliterally like going to be like
you one day.
I don't care what I'm going todo, but you motivate me to be a

(51:59):
better person.
I love that and I love that egoin people.
Like I never want that ego todie in people, so that
competitiveness is so importantfor me.
So how did Amal Clooney get inthe picture is that?
I looked at her.
I'm like she sits well, shetalks eloquently, phenomenal
dresser, I mean, she's justeverything that I aspire to be.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
And I literally like look up to her.
What a great role model to have.
She is a great role I wish notthe kardashians.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I wish that.
I wish that younger women canlook up to women like you.
Yeah, thank you I do becauseit's important.
You know, like livingtraditionally, doing the right
thing, learning, learning, goodmom, good wife, like all these
things are missing now.
Everything is eye candy now.
It's like who has a biggerbehind, who has bigger lips?

(52:49):
Let me look up to her.
It's like no, no, no, no, no,no.
That's the competition I'mtalking.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Yes, and I love it, and it's healthy and it drives
us to do better.
Look at what it did to you,right.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Yeah, you saw that.
Did you have anyone you lookedup to?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
I, throughout my life there have been different
people that I have looked up to.
To be honest with you, therehasn't been I can't say like
there's been a celebrity figurethat I've looked up to per se,
but throughout my life therehave been different people.
Like when I was a teacher, Iwould look up to the director of
the school.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
You know Somebody in a hierarchy right.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Yes, and when I was in law school, I looked up to Dr
Rebecca Nathanson, who I hopethat you interview soon, and so
it's always been somebody in thefield that I've been in.
I do look like right now it'smy current partner.
Yeah, absolutely Like.
He's built a firm of 450 peoplesuccessful.
Who is he?
Um, kevin dinesh.
Yeah, he is a powerhouse of ahuman and still runs this firm

(53:50):
beautifully to a t and is stilla good family man, good husband
to his wife and good father tohis children.
Um, and still has fun in hislife and balance.
You know, the balance is therefor him and so it doesn't
necessarily even have to be awoman that we look up to right
no 100.
Yeah, and my competition isgenerally men I'm generally like
, oh my god, how did you getthat?

(54:11):
Yeah, now in my profession.
Yeah, back in.
I mean, it's like I love thatlike, yeah, like I said earlier,
like it was whoever was in mylike the director of the school
and then the dean she was asitting dean at the time,
rebecca and then now it's youknow, the people in my industry
the current partner of theoffice, and it changes.

(54:32):
It changes as I morph, as Igrow.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I also look up to stay-at-home moms Me too Because
it's so hard.
And my grandma oh, I love that.
Yeah, I forgot to mention.
I was like wait, because mygrandma she was 26 when my
grandpa died she raised fivekids on her own and so she's
like was phenomenal, like sostrong for her kids, like it's

(54:59):
these types of women, you know,that just inspire you so much.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Absolutely yeah.
Stay inspire you so much.
Absolutely yeah.
Stay at home, moms every afterevery Saturday and Sunday at
home.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I'm like damn who goes to stay at home?
Moms, I stay home four days andit's so hard.
No-transcript.
You're just mentally drainedbecause you're on alert all the

(55:31):
time, like lizard brain, likeconstantly.
What if she?
Oh my God, I have to wash thebottle.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Where's she now Like?
Did you close the bathroom door?
Oh my God, she's going to gostand in the door.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Is your daughter like that oh?

Speaker 1 (55:41):
yeah, she's so active .
It's hilarious, she's so cute.
But I have to watch her likeevery second.
I can't take my eyes off of herfor two seconds.
She ends up literally standingon top of the toilet with like
looking inside.
She's so funny.
She's trying to get her handsin.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Yeah, she's very curious so disgusting, very.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
She's like.
It looks like a bowl of soup tome, like an extra large bowl of
soup.
How does she look like Maura,you or your husband?
Oh my God, she's a duplicate ofmy husband.
Mine too.
All that work.
Copy paste, print likeliterally yes.
From the moment she came outshe's like a replica of him, but
she acts like me, especiallynow.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
That's interesting.
You said that it goes for mynext as I formulate my questions
as we talk.
How would you show up in arelationship with your daughter
differently than how you werewith your mom or your mom was
with you?

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Good question.
My mom was very back in the day.
I feel like it was more commonfor moms to be authoritative
figure instead of a friend.
And I'm not saying be a friendlike your kids, be best friend.
Your kids are going to maketheir own friends, so but be
more friendly with them so thatit can open conversations that

(56:56):
were incredibly difficult for meto have with my mom when I was
a kid.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Why do you think that is?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
difficult for me to have with my mom when I was a
kid.
Why do you think that isBecause there was a wall, you
know, and I think it's becauseI've thought about it a lot, and
I think it's because of herrelationship with her mother.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah, my relationship with my mom is much better than
the relationship that she hadwith her mom A lot more
closeness, and now we talk abouteverything together.
But it wasn't that way when Iwas young and I wish that it was
, so I want to give that to mydaughter.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Do you think that wall has impacted you in any way
?

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yes, I do.
I think that it makes it harderfor me to open up generally.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Really yeah, but you opened up to me so like well,
I've learned.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
It's a skill that I've learned.
Yes, it's a skill that I'velearned.
You teach yourself, you do, andto whom you know.
That's what I was talking to myfriend about recently too.
You can open up, but to whomare you opening up to, and
that's you know.
Maybe it's not a bad thing,because I was very closed off
with people and then now I openup much.
It's much more.
It's easier for me to open upto people, but I'm selective who
I'm opening up with and on whattopics.
So it's different.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
So you would want a more open friendship
relationship?

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Definitely.
I want her to be able to tellme hey, so-and-so introduced me
to this or so-and-so was doingthat.
I want to be able to be thefirst person to guide her.
So-and-so was doing that.
I want to be able to be thefirst person to guide her.
I want her to openly tell methings that she's experiencing
so that I can guide her, because, as you said earlier, it comes
from the home.
The home is so important and Iwant to be able to be the one to

(58:35):
establish those standards andregulations for her too, and
teach her how to navigate Insome of these difficult
situations.
Growing up, I navigatedindividually and independently
because of my relationship withmom, and so I want to be the one
to be the first person to belike hey, okay, that happened.
What are some options we canexplore?

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Absolutely.
And then, when pain ispresented to them, they don't
hold that in.
Yeah, they can easily come andsay mom, you know, yeah, Because
it.
I mean like, look, it takes onetry.
You know, like that moment whenyour kid comes to you and
you're just emotionallyoverwhelmed and you don't open

(59:18):
those doors, it takes that onetime for them to kind of like
shut those doors and never tocome to you again.
Or if you judge them, or if youjudge them yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Judgment could be good, though, but not in that
judgmental way.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Not in a critical way .

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yeah, soft, yeah.
Speaking of softness, what doyou think about goodie bags?

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Goody bags.
What do you mean?
What do you mean Like goodiebags to go home, like at parties
, soft goodie bags.
I'll tell you why.
Yeah, tell me why Like at abirthday party.
Okay, tell me, where did thiscome from?
I can't stand goodie bags.
I don't blame you, it'sannoying and they're all trash.

(01:00:01):
It all goes into the trash.
It bags.
I don't blame you, it'sannoying and they're all trash.
It all goes into the trash.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
It's filled with like dollar toys that like or slime
that are gonna ruin your car andlike it's that kid's birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
It's not a kid's birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
It's that kid's birthday.
Why does every other kid haveto have a gift?
Oh, I get it.
That's a good point.
I didn't think of it that way.
Or like when your child isthird place, yeah, why do they
get a prize.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
They're third place.
They need to be first place.
Why are you dumb crying?

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
You don't get a prize , you're third place.
I'm serious.
Think about that from a deeperperspective I have, I know
they're softies because ofthings.
Then they get mad.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
I didn't get a goody bag Participation award.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Please.
You're in fourth place, kid.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
You're in fourth place.
Work harder, work harder, dobetter.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
A fourth place should not get an award.
Oh, it's going to hurt theirconfidence.
No, it's not.
You're actually ruining theirlife by giving him these things,
because people hurt otherpeople on the outside, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
I hate goodie bags.
I hate goodie bags.
I don't blame you, I mean, theynever have anything cool in
them.
Anyways, from what I've, evergotten.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
I get the shitty goodie bags you do.
Oh my gosh, I mean I get thatpoint Definitely.
Yeah, it's like it's it's yourchild's birthday.
Why does my child have to havea gift too?
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
What's the point of?

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
a goodie bag, it's, it's setting.
See, elon musk talked aboutthis a few days ago, I believe
he was.
It was on a podcast with trumpand he, I believe.
But he was talking about how weare setting um, setting up kids
for failure.
Like even in the educationalsystem, the, the capacity for

(01:01:40):
our expectations for kids to dobetter has been dumbed down,
like it's decreasedsubstantially.
We don't have like highexpectations of kids anymore and
it all starts from these damngoodie bags, like what?
is the point.
Look, it's deeper.
We don't have that time framefor me to go like all into it,
but it matters, like why shouldmy kid have a goodie bag on your

(01:02:01):
kid's birthday?
It's your kid's birthday, yourkid needs to have all the
birthday.
My kid doesn't need a gift, Iget it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
You're kind of talking about expectation too.
It is, it's unrealistic.
Then they end up expectingeverything, then you go to a
market and they want this andthat with no effort.
That's what it is.
It is Expectation with zeroeffort, and that's where you're

(01:02:28):
going with this, and I totallysee it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
It's like I'm going on birthday, I get to go home
with something, or I don't haveto win to get an award, I don't
have to do my best.
Yeah, like you're in fifthplace, but your mom is waiting
for you with a you know plate offruit and an award.
Oh honey, but you're still mywinner.
No, lady, he's not a winner andyou should not teach him that.
Let him fight, let him havethat healthy competition to be
number one.
That's what gets people.

(01:02:49):
This is what's going to getArmenians to win this damn war.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
What.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
It's this pushing your kids to be the best
educators ever Architects,lawyers, doctors it's not going
out there and screaming on topLike I always think about this.
I'm like what can we do aspeople to kind of win as a
culture?
It's that it's things like this.
Look at Jews.

(01:03:17):
Look at you know the statistics.
Number one it was about successbut income.
It was Jews and then it wasIndians.
And then it was Asians and thenIranians, obviously which
Iranians can be Jews as well butwhere were we on that list?

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I don't even know we're all so small.
How was it calculated?
I don't know.
I'll send it to you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I'm interested in seeing that I will send it you.
I'll send it to you.
I will send it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
It was so fascinating , but come on now the cultures
that help lift each other arethe cultures that are generally
on top of these lists.
You know they help each othersucceed, but guess what?
They're also very competitive,and I'm not generalizing, I'm
just speaking of the people thatI know that are parts of these
cultures that you just mentioned, that are on top of this list,
and what they do is they compete, but they also support, and

(01:04:07):
that's what we were talkingabout earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yes, but they also have healthy expectations from
their kids.
Exactly Again, it starts fromthose goodie bags.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Yeah, and those participation, words and
cleaning the rooms.
Yeah, oh my gosh, it's true,the little things, the little
the little things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Yeah, I don't know how these goodie bags came about
, but when you said soft, I'mlike this is a perfect topic.
Yeah, softies, we're raising abunch of infant adults.
No, infant adults, it is.
So what tell me?
What do you think?
What?
What makes a good attorney,first of all, besides, obviously

(01:04:44):
, the law degree and experience,but what do you think like a
true?

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Very good question.
I think that being personablehas taken me so far in this
industry, you mean with clientsand defense attorneys.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Oh yeah, why with defense attorneys?

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Because I've learned when to be combative and when
not to be combative.
And those who are alwayscombative and are always
fighting instead of makingfriends with defense counsel I
mean, this isn't the only timeAre they friendly?
Not usually, but you have tospeak with them, talk with them,

(01:05:22):
get to know them.
We don't just usually have onecase together, we have several,
and you have to kind of tap intothem and learn that at the end
of the day, there are people tooand they don't want to be
fighting eight hours a day onthe phone or in the courtroom,
you know.
So tap into it and learn alittle bit about them in their
profession and how they workwell and work with them, you

(01:05:45):
know.
So I'll talk with my defensecounsel and establish
relationships with them, becauseneither of us are retiring
anytime soon.
Generally, I mean, sometimesthey are, and that's really fun
too, because they have such awealth of knowledge and I use
that to my benefit Like, hey,you've been doing this for 45
years.
What can you teach me beforeyou leave?
Then they love me and we have agreat relationship.

(01:06:07):
It's kind of like amentor-mentee relationship is
what it turns into.
Even though they're on theopposite side.
I don't treat them as my enemy.
Sometimes I may have to, and Ido.
But again, it's about when topick and choose.
And sometimes it's also like,hey, no, I have this side of me
too.
Pick your side, I can be yourfriend or I can be your enemy.

(01:06:29):
And if I can be their friendand we can work out a resolution
them knowing my capabilitiesand my record, then we can
resolve it and it'll benefit myclient so much more than if we
fight tooth and nail for fouryears and litigate a case, for
example.
That's just a little example,do you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
feel like attorneys need to have a healthy nervous
system.
Oh yeah, I think that stuff isso compromised when you're in
court.
I could just imagine hownervous you get.
You become a wreck, you getangry.
It's like a roller coaster ofemotions, I'm sure.
Definitely so how do younavigate your nervous?

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
system.
A roller coaster of emotions?
I'm sure, definitely so.
How do you navigate yournervous system?
It takes time, I think In thebeginning it's very nerve
wracking and absolutely is.
But the more you do it you kindof get used to it and you're
always going to be nervous aboutcertain situations.
But you always have to haveyour eye on the ball and see the
end this is going to finish andtake it task by task.

(01:07:22):
So have your eye on the balland see the end.
This is going to finish.
And take it task by task.
So have your eye on the ball.
What's the final outcome youwant?
But take it step by step, taskby task.
Don't think about the trialwhen you have discovery due,
focus on the discovery first,and then you'll have tomorrow,

(01:07:43):
the next day, to think about agame plan for the trial.
So, step by step.
You know, don't overwhelmyourself with everything.
How do you handle failure?
I use it to my advantage.
So when I fail, it's greatbecause it's like, okay, this is
what happened here.
How do we learn from this andnot let that happen again?
Why did this happen?
How are we going to preventthis from happening in the
future?
And you know it happens and wefail many times before we
succeed.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
It's so funny.
I used to watch Suits all thetime.
I love that show and I learnedso much from that show.
But I always think aboutpersonalities of attorneys, like
do you think that a soft-spokenperson can be, or do you feel
like it's a certain personalitytype I think you have?

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
to be able to put yourself on the line, as in Like
, if you're too soft-spoken, Idon't think you're going to get
far as an attorney.
Really.
Yeah, I think that you have tobe able to come out of your
shell, definitely because you'regoing to be pushed around, in
my opinion, if you'resoft-spoken all of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Who pushes you in those cases?
Defense attorneys and clients,man, really Sometimes these
clients push my buttons.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Wow, what do they do?
I mean, I have some clientsthat they nag.
You know they'll push our callconstantly for updates, some of
them and then eventually, whenthey get used to us, it stops.
It's generally in the beginningof a case, when they've just
met me, that there'll be alittle naggy call constantly.
Then, once they get to know usand see, oh, they're pushing my

(01:09:15):
case just how I want it or how Iexpect it, tapering their
expectations, then it smoothsout.
But some, you know, defenseattorneys and clients can both.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
How do you?
I mean, you have to go to lawschool, obviously, to be a
defense attorney, but how do youget that position?

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
As a defense counsel.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Yeah, defense counsel .

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Or even a defense attorney.
No, you're right in theterminology, you just apply for
that position on the oppositeside.
So you're asking, like thedifference between what I do,
which is personal injuryplaintiff's work.
I?

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
mean you're a defense attorney for your client, but
there's also the courts.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Oh, I see what you're asking the district attorney.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
I think I'm trying to say Maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
I don't know.
So there's plaintiff'sattorneys, which I am because I
represent victims.
Yeah, and they're consideredplaintiffs, so victims of
accidents, and then the defensecounsel is on the other side
Other side they represent theinsurance companies.
Oh yeah, so they represent theinsurance companies and it's
really just applying for thatposition.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
So what are district attorneys?

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
District attorneys represent the state.
Oh, that's a tough job to have.
It is a tough job to have.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Would you ever want to work as a district attorney?

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
No, no, we're dealing with crimes and, you know,
prosecuting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Do you like criminal law?

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
In law school I loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
I see you doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Yeah, it's fun stuff sometimes and sometimes it's
terrible stuff too.
When I was clerking for thejudge I worked for we had a
murder trial and lots of rapecases and it can weigh heavily
on you if you're not able toseparate the work from when you
go home.
And I can see doing it longterm would not something that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
I want to do, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
dangerous.
I think so, in my opinion, foryour well-being as an attorney?

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I think so, 100%, especially if you're dealing
with mafia, mafia stuff.
Absolutely.
What do you think about?
I'm going to ask you this it'sprobably a cliche question Did
you watch the Johnny De depp?

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
amber heard okay, a little bit.
It's funny because my husbandwas yeah, so when he was
watching it.
But okay, like, let's watch ittogether.
Um, man, she did so bad, pooramber.
On the witness stand oh, johnnydepp's attorney.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
What was her name?
Name, I forgot, but she was.
Camillo, Camilla, I think so.
Wow, she nailed it.
She was so, but it was sonatural for her and that the
reason why I asked you thequestions of the skills is
because I look at her.
I'm like how bad of a logicalthinker do you have to be to be
able to be on top of aborderline personality disorder

(01:11:43):
individual like Amber Heard?

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
She was so good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
She was good because she was following her, or else
you would have just fell intoher trap.
But I mean, do you feel likelogical thinking is important
also, as a skit?

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Absolutely, and you do have to be 10 steps ahead
always, eileen my son is likethat, that's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
We keep pushing, my husband and I, we keep pushing,
and we're like Noah.
He's so intelligent but also sowitty and he'll just.
He's so detailed, like he'lljust see things or writings, or
whatever in life in general, I'mlike you'll make a great
attorney, but he wants to be arace car driver, so Of course

(01:12:28):
he's 10, 11?
, 11.
Yeah, yeah.
So no attorney, but I alwayslook for, I'm fascinated by, by
your work, thank you.
I think it takes a really just,uh, I think it takes a really
calm person to show up in acourtroom and defend a person,
whether in the right or in thewrong.
But also I always, always,always look at an attorney's

(01:12:52):
nervous system and I'm like, wow, this attorney has to be
mentally healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Absolutely you do, because there's so much that can
drag you down in the field.
It has so many challenges thatyou have to be very strong to
persevere.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Yeah that grit basically so grit's important in
life.
You think so as an educator aswell.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
And you know I don't know.
You tell me, do you think youcould teach grit?
Why are you asking me?
Isn't that hard?

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
I've thought of this because I have a baby now, so
I'm like I want her to have grit.
How okay.
I think that life teaches yougrit.
So, going back to the beginning, remember how we were talking
about our traditional householdand like what your parents did
right with you, that you're soeducated and well-rounded, and
you said, um, you know I failed,I wasn't a good student.
There are certain things hereand there, I think that grit is

(01:13:52):
taught by loss and failure.
I think that grit is taught bybullying, bullied kids.
I think everything thatanything that entails pain
teaches grit.
I did watch a TED talk of theperson who was talking.
I forgot her name, but she waspresenting grit and how schools

(01:14:16):
need to teach grit.
But I don't think that schoolscan teach.
I think life teaches that.
I think failure teaches thatBecause, again going back to
this, you can tell a child howimportant education is and how
important you know God is, orwhat have you all you want, but
until something clicks thatkid's never going to do as you

(01:14:38):
say, and they probably will, butmaybe out of fear or just to
shut you up, but I think lifeteaches you grit.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Wow, I feel like you nailed that answer, because I've
also seen this video that keepspopping up on my Instagram feed
.
That says if you do everythingfor your kids, you're not
letting them fail, and so you'rebuilding a child with low
self-esteem and low confidence.
You don't love your kid ifyou're doing that, so you got to
let them do things.
Fail at it, failure, learnthemselves, and even like

(01:15:09):
infants, or you know, like don'tconstantly pick up the bottle
and give it to them.
Let them learn to pick it up100%.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
So wow, yeah, yeah Again.
And I say this with all myheart because I love kids and I
love parents and I always wantthe best for every parent, every
child.
But there's two types of kids.
There's a kid that's going tolearn from someone else's
mistake and there's also thatkid that's going to have to fall
and hit their head on the rock.
Oh yeah To learn from thatmistake.
Yeah, I mean there's alwaysthat.

(01:15:37):
So grit is taught by failure.
The universe teaches grit, notyou.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
I was that person, by the way, growing up.
It wasn't until I experiencedit.
I hit a few rocks Same girl,was it one for you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
I hit like 10 rocks.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
No, definitely not one Boulders.
There have been boulders in mylife, you know what zut is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
How do you say zut?
So wasn't that that oil inArmenia?
Zut?
So it was rocks of it, Like itwas so hard.
It's like this oily thing theyuse for construction, right?
Yeah, so in Armenia.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
I'm sorry everyone's going to be like what's going on
?

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
I'll show you, so I'll tell you, so I'm going to
tell you where I hit my head.
Literally, it's Zut.
Okay.
In Armenia, where, where Ilived, they had like these black
rocks, but it was used forconstruction purposes, okay, and
it was hard, harder than a rock, and it had like hard shells
like around the edges.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
I hit my head on like five zoots mentally oh my god,
I'm like waiting for the storylike I was riding my bike.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Storyteller, I'm a great storyteller.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
I love it, I know girl.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Yeah, I know that taught me grit.
By the way, it's the zut thattaught me grit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Yes, and I swear to you, no matter how many times my
dad said, read a book, go toschool.
It's like until I hit my headon that rock I never knew how
important that you know life isand education is and all that
stuff.
So my perseverance came fromthat, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
That is so funny Life teaches you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Yeah, life teaches you With the zoots and the
boulders.
Zoots and the boulders.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
This was so awesome.
It really was, and thank you somuch for today.
Thank you so much for having meon.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
I hope you'll come back on again.
I would love to, and then wecan talk about PI cases.
Yeah, which is fun.
I have so many tons ofquestions about that.
Oh my God, car accidents, slipand falls.
There are lots of fun to talkabout and I'd be happy to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Yeah, before we go, what's one thing that you've
accepted about yourself that youcouldn't years ago?

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
One thing you know I've accepted that the boulders
I've hit in my life have createdthe strong, independent woman
that I am today.
Instead of being embarrassed ofthe troubles and letting them
hold me back, I've accepted thatthat's part of my journey and

(01:18:02):
has brought me to where I amtoday, and I'm proud of the
woman that I am today.
If it wasn't for thoseexperiences, I wouldn't be who I
am today.
So it's a loaded question witha little bit of a loaded answer,
but generally that's what it isthat the things that would
sometimes I would feel ashamedof have made me who I am today.

(01:18:23):
So to accept them as part of myjourney.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I love that.
Yeah, thank you so much.
Thank you, I love being on here.
I know I love having you Such anatural, by the way, great
storyteller, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
It's good to have guests that just love to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Yeah, tell a story.
Yeah, it makes it so mucheasier.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
I'm talking her no, you're not talking.
I talked over you.
Did I talk?

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
no, I think no, no, no it's just like you know, you
have a lot to say, I have a lotto say, and we're like, but no,
not at all yeah, because youknow the, the people that sit
down and say, do I talk a lot,do I have a lot?

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
sometimes I feel like I don't make sense are the
people that have never beenheard before.
Yeah, they've got a lot to say.
They have never been heardbefore.
Yeah, they've got a lot to say,but they've never been heard
before.
I like that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Sorry, thank you, thank you, thank you so much.

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