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Unlock the secrets of manifestation and discover how to reprogram your subconscious mind with our special guest,  Michele Guzy . With over 35 years of experience as a hypnotherapist and mind coach,  Michele shares her incredible journey of mastering manifestation from the tender age of nine. Learn how societal and media-driven negativity can cloud our perceptions of relationships and wealth, and find out how to break free from these influences to realize your true potential.

We'll explore the profound workings of the subconscious mind, likening it to a vast storage unit of memories, beliefs, and experiences that shape our reality. Through  Michele's expert insights, you’ll understand the significance of repetition and association in achieving your goals and how hypnosis can serve as a powerful tool for rewiring your subconscious. We also delve into the impact of historical and intergenerational trauma, such as the Armenian Genocide, on present generations and discuss strategies for breaking the cycle of negative programming to foster positive change.

Finally, we discuss the fascinating connection between mind and body, addressing how suppressed emotions can manifest as physical ailments and the concept of environmental hypnosis. Michele offers practical advice on trusting your gut instinct and understanding the energy fields around you. Whether you're struggling with subconscious fears or seeking to harness the power of manifestation, this episode is packed with valuable insights and transformative techniques to help you create the life you desire.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here's the thing there's 8 billion plus people on
the planet.
They don't all have to be yourfriends.
Family members don't all haveto be your best friends.
You don't have to take care ofeverybody.
You don't have to listen toeverybody.
You don't have to do whateverybody else wants.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
People have these unrealistic expectations and
they say like I want a billiondollars, I want a million
dollars, for example, but you'venever had access to it.
Your mind doesn't understandhow to perceive that.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
To understand that, our mind focuses on the
negatives 10 times more than thepositives, because that's what
society is.
That's what sells in society.
Negativity sells, fear sells.
Turn on the TV, watch yourcommercials.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Social media is a classic example.
We're supposed to use it tohelp us grow, but it's doing the
opposite nowadays.
It's killing today's society,the generation.
It's horrible.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
In order to learn, you have to go into a
suggestible state.
You have to, as I call it, wehave to open that door to the
subconscious mind so informationcan come in.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Hello everyone, thank you for joining me today.
Today I wanted to have a gueston just about manifestations
energy, our good instinct,intuition, energy fields.
What's really going on?
Why aren't we able to manifest?
Because I know there's peoplewho talk about this profusely
I'm manifesting, but something'snot working.

(01:33):
She explains to us about theenergy blocks.
She talks about the 90% thattakes up of our brain, which is
our subconscious mind.
Then there's a 10%, which isour conscious mind.
Ask questions of are we reallyusing 2% of our brain and why
aren't we using 100%?
What's really blocking that?
So she gets into that.

(01:53):
We do talk about the energyfields, which is so beautiful.
We talk about the bad energy,the negative energy.
What we say matters.
She explains how words are soimportant, so eloquently.
So if you are interested inmanifestations, if you want to
know how it works, how prayerreally works, how manifestation
really works, you have to listento Michelle Guzzi.

(02:15):
Michelle is a hypnotherapist anda mind coach and has been in
this field a little over 35years.
She has learned aboutmanifestations when she was nine
years old and has had herprivate practice since she was
20 years old.
What she has to say isfascinating and her experience
of manifestation is fascinating.
Anywho, I know you guys areexcited and so am I, and one

(02:39):
important thing that I touchedon for anybody that's watching
1915, there was the Armeniangenocide.
I know that the whole world isaware of this and I wanted to
ask her of why it's not beingrecognized.
What's really going on?
What are we doing wrong asArmenian, the Armenian culture,
the Armenian people?

(02:59):
And her answers weremind-blowing and I really
appreciate her because shecalled it out and I want every
single person out there thattheir culture has experienced
genocide or a Holocaust or somesort of trauma is in the culture
, whether it's war.
I really want everybody to tunein and listen to what she says,

(03:20):
because we can all change thatif we can all come together and
change the mindset and how wechange that.
I'll leave that to you to tunein and watch.
Make sure to subscribe andlet's listen to Michelle Guzzi
with her fascinating wisdom andhypnotherapy.
All right, hi, michelle, hello,my dear, it's so nice to be in
your presence today.

(03:41):
Thank you so much for acceptingmy invitation.
So happy to talk to you today.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Awesome.
I'm really excited to be here.
You are awesome.
This place is awesome, really.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
What we're going to talk about is awesome.
I know I'm so excited.
You guys, I know everybody hasbeen waiting for this podcast,
because we're going to talkabout manifestation, which is in
a lot of people's hearts, a lotof people's minds, and people
are genuinely wanting tounderstand what it is, how they
can really work on it, what'sblocking them from reaching
those goals and manifestationsand dreams, and I can't wait to

(04:15):
have this authentic conversationwith you.
So, thank you, you're welcome.
All right, so you earlier hadme look up in the dictionary
what the word manifestationactually means.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Can I read it?
You can?
I'm going to be very interestedto see what it actually means.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Because I don't think people really understand.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yes.
First, I think it's importantright to know what the word
actually means before proceedingwith action.
Yes, Right, Okay actually meansbefore proceeding with action
yes, Right, Okay.
So the one thing, that is,there's multiple definitions of
it actually, but I this thefirst one.
It says easily understood orrecognized by the mind, and then

(04:57):
it says obvious, in bulkletters, huge and in blue.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
What's obvious?
So it says obvious, yeah, bythe mind is obvious, and it's in
blue.
What's obvious?
So it said obvious, yeah, bythe mind is obvious and it's in
blue, okay, so something.
So when we're manifesting, thenit's saying that it's something
that's perceived by the mindand it's something that it's
obvious when it comes into yourlife.
It's obvious that you know,you've been thinking about this,

(05:24):
you've been wanting this, andwhen it actually happens, then
it's obvious that these are theresults that are taking place.
Wow, go ahead, you think.
I think that's what the blueobvious actually means?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I think so too.
And then there's anotherdefinition, it's multiple
definitions.
It says to make evident in blueor certain by showing or
displaying.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Okay.
So unless it's a reality,unless it's actually happening,
then it's still just stuck inyour mind.
So when we manifest it, then itcomes true in your life.
It's here, it's here, righthere, right now.
You have that.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
That's interesting.
Let me give you an example ofwhat happens to me sometimes,
and then we can dive into theconvo.
So sometimes when I'm thinkingabout someone, that person's on
my mind like maybe two dayslater that same person that I'm
thinking about, I will eithersee or I will have a phone call
from that person.
Is that manifesting?

Speaker 1 (06:29):
That's actually energy Really Can you tell me
about that.
So we got to break down what itall kind of represents.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Teach us.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
You know I deal with a mind-body healing.
I do hypnosis, hypnotherapy,all of these fascinating little
modalities.
But what people don't reallyunderstand is that everything is
a state of energy.
Your cells are energy, yourbody is energy, your thoughts
are energy, and energy is alwaysbeing received and perceived.

(06:58):
We're transforming energy,we're sending energy.
So if you're thinking aboutsomebody I just did this the
other day or if somebody popsinto my mind, I know they're
thinking about me and.
I'm open enough and experiencedenough to know that that energy
is coming to me.
It's a frequency.
So if you were thinking aboutsomebody and then a couple of

(07:21):
days later they called you orthey sent you a little text or
email, it's because you sentthat wavelength, you sent that
energy out to them.
That's so powerful and theuniverse is just energy.
The earth is energy, this tableis energy, and when you get
really really good at it, thenyou can manifest what you want

(07:42):
that energy to be.
So if you want to have a brandnew car, if you want to have a
healthy, happy relationship,then you have to create that
thought in your mind.
You need to feel it, see it,hear it, experience it, as if
it's already a reality now, andthen send that energy out into
the universe, send it out towhere you want it so it can be

(08:05):
received and then brought rightback to you.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's so interesting ?
Does everybody naturally havethe ability to possess that
energy and to manifest?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
these things, Everybody has the ability to do
that.
You know we're born with thisnatural ability to be able to
experience life to the fullest.
You know, babies, when we'reborn, we have no fears, we have
no insecurities.
You have children right.
I've been working in mybusiness for over 30 years.
And you know, children have nofears, they have no negatives,

(08:41):
they have no jealousy, nocompetition, no insecurities, no
low confidence, low self-esteem.
You name it.
Until we put that in there,true, until we start saying oh
no, no, no, you can't do this,you can't have it, you can't
think it, you can't feel that.
That cannot possibly come toyou because, well, we've never

(09:02):
had a million dollars in ourfamily.
Why would you think you deserveto have a our family?
Why would you think you deserveto have a million dollars?
Why do you think you deserve tohave a brand new car or healthy,
happy relationship?
So you know, children have thisand they can manifest things
very, very quickly.
But then we learn that it's notsafe to do so, so we shut that

(09:23):
off that it's not safe to do so,so we shut that off.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
That's something very interesting.
You said children have aneasier way of manifesting, so
that means that we all have theability, as you confirmed, but
something's blocking that, andthat something could be either
jealousy, it can be resentment,it can be hate.
Are those some of the thingsthat block our energy?

Speaker 1 (09:45):
resentment, it can be hate.
Are those some of the thingsthat block our energy?
It is, and it's also.
You know what we're seeing inthe social media.
You know what we see on TV,what we watch in the news, what
we hear on the radio.
So we live in a society thateverything is available to us.
Now you know, I, just you knowI grew up in Alaska.
I didn't grow up here in LosAngeles.
I grew up in a whole differentenvironment.

(10:05):
You know when.
Just you know I grew up inAlaska.
I didn't grow up here in LosAngeles.
I grew up in a whole differentenvironment.
You know when I moved here whenI was about 19,.
It was a culture shock for me,Even though I'm moving into the
same country Alaska is, you know, one of the states but I grew
up with a different mindset ofyou know how you deal with
people, how you deal with nature.
And then, coming here, andthere's 10 million plus people

(10:26):
here, the energy shifted and sothat's what I noticed for me,
actually as a young person thehigher level of the competition
and the jealousy that affectedmy confidence and self-esteem
and my ability to manifest mydreams and whatever I wanted to

(10:47):
do, because I felt now I had tobe accountable for everybody
else, right, what everybody elsewanted me to do or what I was
supposed to be doing here inthis town.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Wow, that's so interesting.
Is that why you got intohypnotherapy and the mind
coaching?

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah Well, actually it's a funny story.
Please, I'd love to hear yourstory.
I've been doing hypnotherapyfor about 33 years, my goodness.
I'm an instructor ofhypnotherapy.
I also do neurolinguisticprogramming, I'm a mind coach
and I work with energy in thebody as well.
But I started doinghypnotherapy when I was about

(11:25):
nine what?
Nine years old.
I found this book on hypnosisand it had some past life
regression in there and I justknew how to do this.
So I was with a friend of mineand we took the book, we got it
from her family's house and Istarted it and it was just so
natural for me.
So I started doing past liferegressions, which is just a

(11:49):
hypnotic modality of kind ofgoing back and looking to see if
you've lived in another life.
When I was about nine years old, I was in fourth grade and I
would do it with all the kids inthe neighborhood and just you
know, it was just something Idid.
It was just like a little funlittle thing and I didn't know
that there were schools forhypnosis.

(12:11):
I had no clue there washypnotherapy colleges.
So when I went to, you know,came here to Los Angeles when I
was about 24, I found out aboutthe College of Hypnotherapy and
then that was it?
You know, I went there and Istarted studying and I became
the youngest teacher on staffand the youngest hypnotherapist,
and it just opened up so manyavenues for me.

(12:33):
And then I was not only doinghypnosis, I used to do massage.
I was a massage therapist for alittle while, I worked in
fitness for a little while and Ijust found that everything kind
of came together.
Yes, but it all really starts inyour mind and it starts in your

(12:53):
programming and what youbelieve about yourself and what
you're hearing from everybodyelse.
So when people come in and theydo a hypnosis session with me,
I want to know where you are now.
I want to know what the dreamsand the goals are that you want
to manifest.

(13:13):
What is it that you want tohave in the future?
But it's even more importantfor me to figure out where are
we coming from.
Tell me about your past.
Tell me about growing up in thefirst eight or nine years of
your life.
What was that like for you?

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Because that imprints your subconscious beliefs, can
you tell us about thesubconscious mind, as we call it
.
What does that mean, and why isit important to recognize that
we have a subconscious mind?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
I think many people are a little confused between
the conscious mind and thesubconscious mind, and then they
hear the unconscious mind.
Yes, so I kind of like to callit the subconscious mind.
So the conscious mind is yourlogical thinking.
When we're adults, I call ityour adult logical thinking.
It's your decision making, howyou analyze your willpower, how

(14:05):
you use reasoning skills, butit's just a tiny, tiny
percentage of your mind, maybeabout 10% of your mind, and
that's it.
So what we're using right nowto communicate is just 10%.
What people are listening withis 10% of their mind.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
So when they say that you only use 2% of your brain,
that's your whole brain.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
So that's all the 2% of your brain, that's your whole
brain.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
So that's all the different parts of the brain,
with the subconscious and theunconscious included.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, so that is the communication.
So your consciousness.
When you're conscious, you'reaware, you're awake, you have
different parts of the brainworking for you.
The limbic system, everythingin your nervous system is in
charge with all of that.
But your conscious mind is yourthought process, how you're

(14:49):
thinking now.
But we call the subconsciousmind your programs.
It's about 90% of your totalmind power, which is your memory
.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Is that what you mean ?
It's your memory.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
It's your beliefs.
If we have, you know, like yourcomputer, it's your programs in
the computer.
Your cell phone, it's all ofthe.
It's your beliefs.
If we have, you know, like yourcomputer, it's your programs in
the computer.
Your cell phone, it's all ofthe apps on your cell phone.
Those are your programs.
So, from the second that youwere born, what you see, what
you hear, what you feel, whatyou taste, what you smell, all
senses all experiences.

(15:21):
Yes, they all get logged.
Wow.
So they're logged in yoursubconscious mind and your brain
creates neural pathways andthose neural pathways are firing
and wiring messages and signals.
So your subconscious is yourstorage unit.
Some people got storage unitsout there.
They put all their stuff inthere, but it's always running

(15:45):
in the background.
People, you know.
When they ask me what theunconscious mind is, then I can
go a little bit deeper and saythe unconscious could be the
collective unconscious, thatcould be more of the energy.
Or, if you want to go into thespiritual side of that, that's
the deepest, deepest level, towhere it's just so automatic.

(16:05):
You know, it's who we are, thecore of who we are, and you know
.
But it's our subconscious mind,to tell you the truth, that's
running the show.
So you may think you wantcertain things in your life.
You may say I want to have this, yes.
But if your conscious mind says, you know, I want to have this.
But if your conscious mind says, I want to be healthy, I want

(16:28):
to reduce my weight, I want toexercise, I want to increase my
confidence, you have thatthought process, that 10% saying
, yes, this is what I want to do.
I know I can do this.
But your subconscious mind hasto look at that thought that
comes in and it then needs tomatch up your programs and it

(16:53):
needs to say have we ever hadthis before?
Have we had that type ofrelationship before?
Have we had this amount ofmoney before?
Have we been at that desiredweight before?
Have we felt that healthybefore?
Have we had this amount ofmoney before?
Have we been at that desiredweight before?
Have we felt that healthybefore?
And if you have too much inyour subconscious programming

(17:13):
that's negative or that's sayingmy gosh, you know, we've
weighed this amount for 30 years.
Why do you want to get rid ofit now.
Or you've never been in a goodrelationship, or you've never
had a decent job or that amountof money.
So your subconscious, its mainpurpose, is to protect you, Is
it?
It's protecting because it'sgoing to protect what you

(17:35):
programmed it for right.
So we have our computers.
What's a virus in the computerDamage?
Damage and damages your programs, right?
So we don't want to.
We have all these virusblockers and defenders and so
forth that protect our computerfrom these viruses and from
anybody to hack our programs.

(17:56):
Well, that's what yoursubconscious mind is for,
because once it learns theinformation, it says now I have
this program, I'm going to keepit safe, I'm not going to change
it unless there's somethingelse that's coming in that's
going to be more powerful thanthis, and it has to be with a
repetition.
So everything in your mind iscalled the law of repetition and

(18:18):
the law of association.
So when you're going to startmanifesting things, you need to
keep these two laws in mind.
Because if you just think, oh,I want that brand new red
Corvette, and you just thinkabout it one time, one day your
subconscious mind is going tosay, well, that was cute, we're
going to get rid of that becauseyou've not been consistent with

(18:39):
that thought.
You've never had a brand new,shiny red Corvette.
You don't even know what thatis to drive that, so it will
kick it out so then, how do wework on our subconscious mind to
recognize these things?

Speaker 2 (18:53):
because you're absolutely right sometimes
discipline has never beenpracticed, routine has never
been articulated, or or you knowit, the thought is there, but
action has never been there.
So then, how do we get oursubconscious mind to help us?
You?

Speaker 1 (19:10):
know I really wish that as children, or even as
teenagers, we are taught aboutthe mind and how the mind works.
If I would have known about theconscious and the subconscious
mind a long time ago, it couldhave changed so many aspects in
my life Really and really somany fears.

(19:32):
So if you want this to starthappening, you actually need to
go into what we call a state ofhypnosis.
Oh, so hypnosis is manifestationas well it is.
That's exactly what it is.
So if I was to break downhypnosis because that's kind of
a scary word to people yeah,people think it's like… oh, let
me get the little watch.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yes, I'm sleepwalking and saying things I'm going to
cluck like a chicken bark like adog.
Yeah Right, I learned in mytherapy school.
That's not what it's actuallyportrayed.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
It's the opposite.
So the word hypnosis it's justa Greek word.
It means a sleep-like state.
So that's what the wordactually means.
But if I was to take that wordhypnosis and you get rid of
everything you've seen in TV andmovies and you take that word
and you just put it aside, itjust means a state of
suggestibility.

(20:25):
So hypnosis is suggestibility,and what is suggestibility?
That is that suggestion, it'sthe power of suggestion.
And what suggestion?
That's communication.
Can you tell us a little bitmore?
Yeah, so hypnosis is how wecommunicate with our
subconscious programs, withourself.
It's how we communicate withour subconscious programs.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
With ourself.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
It's how we learn.
Wow, we need to go into a stateof hypnosis in order to learn.
So if you know you have kids,and when you have little kids
and they start going to school,you know children they have,
they're like a blank piece ofpaper.
When they're born, right, andthen we start putting everything
in there.
So by the time they're aboutfour or five years old, when

(21:09):
they may start school sometimesa little bit younger, a little
bit older they're coming inthere as a blank slate, and so
what the teachers put in, orwhat the families have put in
ahead of time starts formingtheir personality, starts
forming their natural behavioralstyles.
Well, children are in hypnosis24-7.

(21:29):
They're very, very suggestible,and when we start getting a
little bit older, then wedevelop what we call a critical
area of the mind that protectsthese known associations.
So, in order to learn, you haveto go into a suggestible state.
You have to, as I call it, wehave to open that door to the

(21:51):
subconscious mind so informationcan come in.
And to start manifesting andactualizing your dreams and your
goals, you have to put yourselfinto a state of hypnosis, which
is very, very simple.
Either I can do it, you cancome in and we can do sessions
with that and I also teachpeople what self-hypnosis is.

(22:14):
It's mind, body, emotion,spirit, if you want to add that
it's all congruent and gettinginto a certain state, to where
you're able to receive, you'reable to visualize, you're able
to communicate in your own mindin a positive way what you want
and future pace, that Put thatinto the future as if it's

(22:36):
already happening now.
And if you do that in a verysuggestible focused state of
mind and body, then, like wesaid, it sends that energy and
that message out into theuniverse.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Wow, that's so powerful.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
And then that's the law of attraction right.
So act as if you alreadypossess, act as if you already
have it.
Wow, say and repeat to yourself.
If you're going to giveyourself affirmations or use
mantras, then state it in thepositive present tense, as if
you have it now.
I love riding around LosAngeles in my brand new red

(23:11):
convertible Corvette.
Say it, say it I love it, as ifit's already here.
See it, it's parked in yourdriveway.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
So it's not just thinking of it.
Thinking is not going to domuch.
You actually have to say it forthe energy to transfer onto the
universe.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, it's not even that you can.
It's a very powerful way ofdoing that.
You can verbalize it, but Iknow what we were looking that
up with the definition it'shearing it, being able to
visualize it and speaking that.
So the mind gets it.
So, whether or not you arespeaking it out loud or you're
repeating it to yourself, you'rejust saying it to yourself over

(23:46):
and over and over again, themind will accept it either way
and that's why people are goingon social media and listening to
podcasts like this, becausethis is a state of hypnosis.
People are in hypnosis rightnow.
Believe it or not, they're inthat state.
You're in that state by the way,I love you.
I don't need to do the littleyou know.

(24:07):
I can just change my voice if Iwant to, and take it down a
little bit deeper.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Oh my God, that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
No, don't do that voice.
Do you really use that voice,though?
I use that voice.
Yes, I change my voice.
I use that voice.
Yes, I change my voice andbreathe in.
That's amazing.
And so just me doing that.
You immediately shifted yourstate, by the way.
She shifted In just a coupleseconds.
She shifted her state.
Yeah, and that's not even medoing it with you on purpose,

(24:41):
with you knowing it.
So think about that, thinkabout the power of the mind and
the power of energy, and you'regoing to get like flooded with
phone calls afterwards.
Sorry to cut you off.
We can, we can and that's great.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Everyone's going to be like who is this?
Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
I'm so happy that these thingsare possible for human beings to
have access to, and the funnything is, it's all within
yourself, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
I really just want everybody on this planet it is
literally my mission foreverybody on this planet to
understand hypnotic states,states, states of hypnosis.
There's many, many levels of it.
There are people that arecalled somnambulists.
That's me Right, that's you,and you're just highly

(25:30):
suggestible.
Yes, so there are.
You know, there's positivelevels of that, which means you
would be very good atmanifesting because you are very
suggestible.
Because you are verysuggestible and if you surround
yourself with those positivethoughts and the visualization,
and the auditory and the wholeexperience.
Yes, things are going to happenvery quickly for you.

(25:51):
But, sorry to say, there arenegative states of synambulism
as well, and that is when we getcaught up in the negative
messages in society, that, if weget a little too caught up in
what was being said in the newsor the media, you know, and so
forth, before really taking alook at ourselves and saying,

(26:13):
well, is this true for me?
Is this a belief system that Iwant to take on?
You know, because if we werereally listening to everything
that's out there, we wouldn't beable to function.
Oh my gosh, yes.
So that's when it's importantfor the conscious mind to kick
in and say, yes, I'm hearingthis, I'm seeing this, I know
it's going on.
But let me, instead of justsaying yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

(26:36):
I believe this 100%, let me stepback and ask myself is this
okay with me?
Wow, does this fit my values,my morals, my beliefs?
So it's an interesting thing.
So we're in hypnosis all thetime.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
I love what you said.
I want to dive more into this.
So noticing, a lot of teenagersare in this negative state of
mind and there's this intrusivethought of I don't know if we
would want to call it intrusivethought, but there's this
imposter syndrome, like when I'mdoing something.
I have several coaching clientswho say this.

(27:16):
When I'm doing something,immediately the thought is
what's the point?
You're a nobody, right.
Why are you even doing this?
So this is all that negativestate, this negative mindset
With this earlier you hadmentioned when you were younger.
You wished that you had knownwhat the mind is about.

(27:37):
Is that what you said?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
The difference between the conscious and the
subconscious mind.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yes.
So, with all the parents oranybody watching right now, what
is the important thing to knowabout the mind and how can
knowing those things help withthese negative thoughts that
block our manifestation.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
So just remember that the 90%, if not more, of your
negative thoughts are comingfrom your subconscious fears.
So fears that you're not evenaware of, Fears that you're not
even aware of that were put onyou by other people family,
society, teachers.
You know what Anxious parentsand so on.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
So, and we have four basic fear modalities.
We have the fear of success,the fear of failure, the fear of
rejection and then the fear ofloss of control.
Oh, that fear of rejection ishuge, for a lot of people.
That's huge and, depending onyour fear, more of what I call a
right brain or an extrovertedpersonality style that's more
fear of rejection that we dealwith.

(28:37):
If you're more of a left brain,analytical style, then you're
feeling more of a fear of lossof control.
You know, fear of success isprocrastination.
It's not that you don't thinkyou can do it, you just don't
think you may do it very well.
Fear of failure isperfectionism, which means

(28:57):
you've done your best, but yourbest could have been a little
bit better.
So you got an A.
Why didn't you get an A plus onthe test?
But you're not born with this,so you had to hear it and learn
it from somebody.
So if you have these negativethoughts that come into your
mind I'd love to do this or havethis or experience this and
then that negative thought comesin oh well, you know, you're

(29:18):
not good enough, you're notsmart enough, you're not pretty
enough, you'll never amount toanything.
It's not possible.
That is your subconsciousprogram.
Program, that's yoursubconscious mind.
And what is it doing?
It's just trying to keep yousafe because you've not
experienced it before.
Or if you have experienced andthen something happened and

(29:39):
something went wrong, then it'sgoing to latch onto that and say
oh well, remember what happenedlast time?
You got that brand new car?
Well, somebody stole it.
Oh, you got in a crash.
A couple days later, oh, youknow, it broke down.
So that is in there.
Our mind focuses on thenegatives 10 times more than the

(30:02):
positives.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Oh, my goodness, why do you think that is?

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Because that's what society is, that's what sells in
society.
Sells in society.
Negativity sells, fear sells.
Turn on the TV, watch yourcommercials.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Instagram social media is a classic example.
Pay attention, Right, I mean inorder.
We're supposed to use it tohelp us grow, but it's doing the
opposite nowadays.
It's killing today's society,the generation, it's horrible.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
And you know, every generation is going to say the
same thing.
Oh, that generation before,well, we were perfect.
And then the next generation,oh, what happened when they were
in the you know 2024?
Oh, there was a terriblegeneration.
So it's just, it's evolution,it's how society works, it's how
this planet works, but I wantpeople to be more consciously in

(31:02):
control of their subconsciousmind and their subconscious
programming Meaning.
Catch yourself when thosenegatives come up.
Just ask yourself is thiscoming from my conscious mind?
Is this a reality?
Is this really true or is thisa subconscious fear?
Is it a fear of success, fearof failure, fear of rejection,

(31:22):
fear of loss of control?
Which one of those four?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
is it?
Does it matter?
Is there a different approachfor?

Speaker 1 (31:29):
each.
Well, if you're having a fearof rejection.
So what would that be?
What are people thinking aboutme?
What are my friends going tosay?
What would my family?

Speaker 2 (31:37):
say if I actually did that, so that's more shaming,
blaming.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
So it's more personal .
You know, fear of loss ofcontrol is I'm not in charge of
my life.
If this happens, I'm not goingto be in control or in charge of
my life.
So it's a little bit moreinternal.
So it's external versusinternal.
So just check the thought andask yourself is this a fact?

(32:00):
Wow, I'll never be able toamount to anything really.
Is that truly a fact?
I have no.
My favorite is I have noconfidence.
So when clients come in toamount to anything, really, is
that truly a fact?
My favorite is I have noconfidence.
So when clients come in to seeme and they say I have low
confidence or I have noconfidence, I sit there and I
say, well, that's not evenpossible, I just don't have any
confidence.
And I say, well, did you get inyour car and get on the freeway

(32:26):
here in Los Angeles and driveacross town to come into my
office.
And they say, well, yes, I saidhow did you have the confidence
to get in the car, which isprobably the most dangerous
vehicle on the planet?
Get on our freeway, drive inrush hour traffic not get hit,
not run anybody over.
Arrive at my office Park, findmy office, walk up the stairs

(32:52):
without falling down.
And now you're sitting righthere, but you have no confidence
.
So that's not a true statement,that's not a true belief.
So would you?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
say that that's a subconscious belief.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
That's a fear which is part of, okay.
So it's not that that's asubconscious belief.
That's a fear which is part of.
So it's not that you don't haveconfidence.
You're allowing a fear to bestronger than you and what it is
that you want, because you cando anything that you set your
mind to do.
You know, within what we callthe smart approach, what is
specific, what is measurable,what is attainable, what is

(33:25):
realistic.
There has to be a timeframewith it, so it has to be logical
.
I mean, if I had a dream that Iwant to go play basketball for
the Lakers, you know, is thatpossible?
He's laughing.
He's like no, she's 5'2", she'sa girl.
It's not even possible.
Maybe I could be the Lakergirls if I was like 30 years
younger, but no, that's not evenpossible.

(33:46):
So I can't.
That's not a realistic goal.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I see what you see.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
So if you're going to manifest, you have to manifest
reality and realistic goals thatyou can actually achieve.
Achieve.
The other key with manifestingis that you don't want to go too

(34:13):
high above your program,because your mind will kick that
out as well.
You mean like non-realisticgoals?
Yeah, so if you, for example,let's talk money right,
everybody would love to have alittle bit more money.
I'd love to have a little bitmore money.
Who doesn't want a little bitmore money?
Right?
But if you've only beenprogrammed to make $100,000 per
year, for example, and now youcome in and you come into my

(34:33):
office or you start doingvisualization techniques or
vision boards or any of thesethese are all manifesting
techniques and you start sayingI have a million dollars, a
million dollars, a milliondollars coming to me.
If you've never, ever beenclose to a million, your mind
stays in a state of homeostasis.
It will not even regard that.

(34:56):
That's funny.
It's like your mind's like whatyou're going.
You're going to Disneyland here.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
You're playing yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
It's not even calm down Exactly.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
That's very interesting.
Your mind is really so.
Basically it's just reallyputting you in your place, Like
calm down, Be a little real here.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
So it's not as if you can't have the million, but you
got to go up in the increments,right yeah?
So that's what happens whenpeople win the lottery, right,
and they win the lottery andthey may like the one guy, what
did he just win?
Like a couple billion dollars.
What was that?
Last year or so?
Yeah, unless he's had billionsof dollars before, that money is
going to be all gone, correct?

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well, that's what happens with?
I mean, have you watched thelottery documentary?
They're saying that it's acurse to win the lottery, but
not necessarily.
I think that people don't knowhow to manage because, as you
said, they've never….
Yes, they're not programmed, soit's not a curse.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
So eliminate that negative thought right there yes
, exactly Because that'shypnosis you just did, you just
put your whole audience in astate of hypnosis and you now
put a hypnotic suggestion thatyou're not cursed.
No, no, it's okay.
You can win the lottery, it'sokay.
But if you've not had a milliondollars and you won the lottery
, you have to look at your moneymindset right now.

(36:11):
So if you've made $100,000,then program 150 or start
thinking 200,000.
You can go up a couple timesand then, because that's more
manageable, that's morerealistic to your mind, so it's
doable, that energy can come toyou, wow, and then once you hit

(36:32):
that 200, then you can go up,you know, another 100,000.
Small increments.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Then you start thinking 500,000.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Then when you get 500,000, you're like, let me go
750.
So that's how people who arethe millionaires and the
billionaires and all of that,they didn't start off that way.
You know.
If they start with theirbusiness, you know, unless they
were born into that, then that'sjust a natural money mindset
there, because the family'salways had money.
They've never not had money.

(36:59):
But you know, most millionairesand billionaires have gone
bankrupt many, many, many timesbecause maybe they made a lot of
money but that wasn't theirprogram.
And so there goes the companies.
Oh, they had bad investments,they lost it all, but they knew
how to start over again.
Like, well, let me start alittle bit smaller here.
Let me do it this way so if youwere going to manifest, write

(37:22):
out what it is that you want,look at your programming, what
you are used to having right nowthat right, there is something
that people don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I think that you just broke that and I'm sorry for
cutting you off.
I want to validate that becauseit's probably the most
important piece in manifestation.
People have these unrealisticexpectations and they say like I
want a billion dollars, I wanta million dollars, for example,
but you've never had access toit.
Your mind doesn't understandhow to perceive that, to

(37:52):
understand that.
So, starting small and I thinkthat's just a beautiful way of
explaining that to us.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
So I'll give you another.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, have you ever been toAlaska before?

Speaker 2 (38:04):
No.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Okay, tell me about Alaska.
It's cold.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
It's got snow and amazing people.
That's all I know.
Oh, bonus points for you rightnow.
Hospitality is awesome.
Yes, I've heard wonderfulthings.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, so I'm from Alaska.
I grew up in Anchorage.
What if I told you not thisyear?
It was a little different thisyear, but the year before we
hardly had any snow.
There was hardly any snow.
Wow, that the temperatures arewarming up so high that it's
melting everything, that it'sdrop-dead gorgeous up there.

(38:38):
I bet that we grow largervegetables we have Guinness
Book-size vegetables in Alaskathan anywhere else on the planet
because we have the sun upthere.
I get a better suntan in Alaskathan I do here in California.
But when we think, oh, tell meabout Alaska, or tell me about

(38:58):
Hawaii.
Oh, surfing and hula girls andall of that, that's not at all
what Hawaii is and that's not atall what Alaska is.
But you've never been there, soyou've not what You've not
experienced it.
So my mind doesn't understand.
It has no program for it.
It has no program for it.
All it can go back in in alittle computer calculation is
say, well, what have I seen onTV or movies?

(39:20):
What have people said to me?
But unless you've experiencedit, you don't know really what
it's like, right?
So it's all about the power ofyour mind, right?
And doing podcasts like this,social media is.

(39:43):
It's so fascinating to mebecause we are not at a place to
where we're limited to anyknowledge anymore.
We have everything right here,at the tip of our fingertips,
and that could be dangeroussometimes, because it's what

(40:05):
other people believe, so I cango look up.
You know, I have stuff going onwith my health.
I can go and look up stuff onthe internet right now and one
website is going to say, oh, dothis.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
And other sites are going tosay, oh, don't you dare do any
of these things.
One doctor is going to say this, another doctor is going to say
that, and honestly, it'sconfusing people even more.

(40:25):
Is that all hypnosis?
That's hypnosis, of course itis.
So what's really fact and whatis real and what is true?
So take a deep breath in, youknow.
Think about who you are, thinkabout where you are, think about
the life that you want to lead,think about how you want your
children to be, your family tobe, your career, to be.

(40:48):
This is your life on thisplanet.
You came here for a purpose.
You came here as a male or afemale, and having this as an
experience, it's just anexperience.
Sometimes I call this, thestupid planet sometimes, because
we come here and we do stupidthings.
We do, but that's what thisplanet's for.
Yeah, this is what being humanis, is we're having.

(41:10):
You know, we're spiritualbeings, but we're having these
human experiences and there isno such thing as perfect in
human.
No such thing.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
It's not even possible.
What do you think us humansneed to know about our minds to
help ourselves a little bit moreJust, you know, stepping back
from manifestation a little bitlike you as a mind coach.
What do you think, from yourperspective, is important to
understand about our minds?

Speaker 1 (41:47):
your conscious state and your subconscious state,
that you have 10% of yourconscious mind that is analyzing
everything, that 90% of yoursubconscious mind.
It doesn't think.
It doesn't know the differencebetween good, bad, right or
wrong, positive or negative.
It's just a program, it's aneural pathway, and that we have
the power to change our mind.
So that's what that phrase isWow Change your thinking, change

(42:08):
your life.
The power of the subconsciousmind, the power of positive
thinking, the law ofmanifestation.
That's all it is.
Is you giving yourself your ownsuggestions and then making
those a reality in your life?
And how?

Speaker 2 (42:23):
can we change the way we think?
Sometimes people get stuck inthese rumination.
It's really tough to, and manypeople seek therapists and
coaches.
Yes, absolutely.
But how?
The people that can't affordthat right now?
How can they change that?

Speaker 1 (42:39):
mindset.
That's the beauty of listeningto podcasts like this and being
able to go on to those socialmedia and positive,
inspirational, motivationalpeople that do have messages.
There's a lot of people that Ilove listening to and that I
follow and that you know, andthey're not all doctors and
neuroscientists.
It doesn't have to be.

(42:59):
It doesn't have to be.
It could be just people whohave from-to-earth experience
and very easy-to-followinformation that just makes
sense or hits home for you.
So, yes, if you can go get acoach, that's great.
Yes, if you can come in and dosome hypnotherapy or work with a
teacher or mentor therapist, itcould even be your grandmother,

(43:21):
your grandfather Talk to yourancestors.
Talk to the people that havebeen here for a long time.
They have a lot of knowledge andyou know what and wisdom right.
Talk to your kids, Talk to yourkids.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Kids know everything.
Why do you think parents thinkthat they don't?
Parents think that their kidsare stupid and they don't
understand anything.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Because our brains who are you to tell me what to
do?
You're eight.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
You're eight years old, right, but you know, here's
what happens with our brains.
Our brains actually do not stopdeveloping until we're about 24
, 25 years old.
That's what they say.
Is that true?
That's true because it's yourgray matter and your white
matter.
So how your neural pathways getformed and get set.
You're not done working on yourbrain.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
That's the physical development Physiologically this
is the brain itself.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
This is not the mind.
This is the brain, physical,yes, until you're about 25.
This is why we make all thosesilly mistakes and we do stupid
things when we're young Becauseour brain doesn't know the
difference.
It doesn't know how to fire andwire with those neural pathways
.
We don't have the white matter.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
It's not there, and that's why kids are usually
easily influenced too.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
But this is also why, when you're trying to
discipline your kids, you'relike well, how do you not get it
?
I said to you you know, 15times, don't do this.
You know, don't do that.
Well, children don't hear,don't that?
Well, children don't hear,don't, they don't hear that,
they hear the opposite of that.
If I said, you know, don't,look at that thing that's on the
wall right now because it'skind of doing a weird oh, so she

(44:53):
had to do it anyway, right.
But if I say don't do it, yourmind is like what's going on
there?
So when you say don't spill themilk, you actually said to your
kid spill the milk.
You said to their brain that'snot fully developed.
Spill the milk.
And the brain says okay, andthen it unconsciously does that.
My goodness.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Look at that power.
Yeah, do you hear that, youguys?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Power.
So your brain, your mind,children, they are pure energy
sources, pure energy.
They come in here.
They see all, they know all,they hear all, they feel
everything.
Which is why the prayer of achild yes, they know everything
that's going on with you as anadult.
They see everything around you.

(45:43):
They see energy, they do don'tthey?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
So I've heard from so many people.
I mean, people have differentperspectives, but certain people
say people are born really bad,and certain people say people
are born good and they turn badfrom bad experiences.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
What's your perspective on that?
I believe that we're born asthat.
Our spirit, our soul comes intothis physical body and we come
here to have an experience.
Can everything else around usmake us bad people?
Of course You're brought up ina very difficult environment.

(46:26):
You're brought up in an abusiveenvironment.
You're brought up in a countrywhere there is a lot of turmoil
or wars.
Of course this is what you'reseeing.
You're seeing death anddestruction and negativity and
abuse and so forth.
So the mind doesn't know thatthat's not love.
And so when children get older,if that's all they've been
around, then yes, they're goingto start acting that way because

(46:49):
that's the program that was putin their computer, in their
mind.
So do I believe children areborn bad?
No, we can have genetic thingsthat are going on, but a tiny,
tiny percent of psychiatricdisease or mental illness is
what we're born with a tiny tinypercent.

(47:12):
The rest is actually learned.
It's all behavior modification,but it gets so ingrained in our
neural pathways that we don'tknow any way else but to be this
.
So can people change?
Yes, but do I believe childrenare born bad?
No, but that's just me.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
I love that.
I think I have the sameperspective.
I think people are born blank,the blank piece of paper, and we
, you know, you guide them, youteach them, and that's that we
can do a whole other podcast onpast life, regression and
reincarnation should we set adate now set the date now all

(47:57):
the souls what karma really isand everything that you're
reading in the books.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
What is karma?
Karma for me, me, okay, youtell me what you is karma.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Karma for me is Me.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Okay, you tell me what you believe.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Karma is Karma for me is oh my God.
I know that the more simplerway to say it is, when you do
bad, it jumps back right at you.
But I think that it's not justyou.
I think that it's fromancestors, maybe wrongdoing from
ancestors, grandparents, maybea parent doing something bad and
coming.
You know that, attaching the,touching the children.

(48:29):
I don't know, that's how I seekarma.
I don't think it's just memaking a mistake and hurting
someone's feelings.
I think maybe my dad could dothat and then he can come and
bite me.
I don't know, that's how.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
I see it.
So that is a very suggestiblestate of karma.
I'm going to be careful withthat one, tell me, because now
you're just saying everybodyelse around you is in control of
your life.
All of their actions, all oftheir beliefs, from now, from
all ancestors.
All of that controls who youare today.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Really, really.
So that's them taking my poweraway.
Basically, how can I get thatback?

Speaker 1 (49:11):
It's the same thing with the curse, because I work
in the metaphysical realm andthe spiritual realm.
I do a lot of differentmodalities.
It's a whole other ballgame butif you're saying, oh, that
person's cursed, that is just ahypnotic suggestion.
Could that suggestion have beenpassed down for generations?
Yes, of course the curse, yes,that's the suggestion Our family

(49:33):
is cursed With, whatever curseit is.
That suggestion has been passeddown, excuse me, has been
passed down to everybody, so itjust becomes a common belief
system in your family.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
So then, what about like?
So I'm going to bring myculture into this.
Like Armenians, we havegenocide from the 1915.
And there's a thing that is inscience and in psychology and
that's the intergenerationaltrauma that's unhealed wounds.
But Armenians, we have this.
A lot of us recognize this,that you know.
We are loud, we are angry.

(50:08):
We're constantly not recognized.
We're fighting for thisrecognition.
So does that mean that when wesay, when we say we're carrying
that trauma and we're not healed, does that mean that we're
giving power away?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
We are.
It means what you just said.
I want you to very carefullylisten to what you just said.
Yes, repeat those things thatyou just said again.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
We're unhealed.
We're not healed.
We're angry.
We're angry.
We're not getting recognition,the turkey's not recognizing
people in general, othercultures, other countries.
Some have recognized thegenocide, but majority of them
haven't, and that's making usfurious hurt.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
You're angry.
You're furious.
You're not recognized.
We're hurt.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
We're sad.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
You don't belong all of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Tell me one positive thing you said right there about
your culture Other than thefact that I'm fighting for my
people.
Tell me one positive thing.
I didn't say anything positive.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Not one thing that you said was positive.
Yes, I did not hear you saywe're a peaceful, loving people.
We love our families, we feeldeeply, we're very committed to
our culture.
Not one thing that you said waspositive, even though those
things are present.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I didn't say that.
I said was positive Even thoughthose things are present.
I didn't say that, I said theother piece.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
So you my darling, you have continued that hypnotic
belief and suggestion fromcultures before.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
That is so powerful.
So, basically, because this hasbeen said to me from
grandparents on to aunts anduncles, you know the march that
we do, that's hypnosis.
But, these things are true,that is environmental hypnosis.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
So things that happen , these are events that happen.
But what you're saying aboutyourself and what you're saying
about your culture and yourcountry, these are negative
messages.
These are negative programs.
Do you really want to gothrough your life believing that
you and your culture, you'regoing to be an angry person for

(52:18):
the rest of your life?
Do you truly want to be anangry person?
Absolutely not.
But you just told me this hasbeen going on for generations.
It's what the family says, it'swhat everybody believes.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
So, then, to be able to have this recognition, every
single one of us has to changethis mindset and put it out
there in the universe.
Basically, that's how manymillion of us right.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
How does change take place?
By believing in it.
Takes place with just oneperson, right?
Yes, takes place with you thebelief in one person.
And if you start believing this, and if the next person that
you're talking to comes from thesame background cultural
history, if they're talking thenegatives and you stop and say,

(53:03):
actually, you know what, ifthey're talking to negatives and
you stop and say, actually, youknow what?
I think you're a beautifullytalented, amazing, lovable,
wonderful person.
You've just shifted what youhave been manifesting as a
negative message in your life.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
You've just shifted that negative programming in
that person, even if the persondoesn't believe that it's
possible, by just saying it.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
What's the law?
What are the laws?
The law of repetition and thelaw of association.
So if we start saying this, westart believing it.
The more we say it, therepetition, the more you're
going to believe it.
But go back to the beginning ofour conversation.
What sells in society?
What keeps us under control?
Fear.

(53:50):
Fear and negativity, yes, turnon the news.
Negative See how many positive,wonderful, inspirational
stories are on the news.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
No, not one.
Even if there's nothing goingon in the city, they're going to
make something up.
We're being hypnotized bywatching all those negative,
even horror, movies.
I don't understand Video games.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Yeah, children, video games yeah, think of the death
and destruction and the murderand the demeaning behaviors of
men and women and so forth,women and children and
everything that are in the videogames that our young, tiny
little kids are watching.
Look at cartoons.
You really want to get mestarted?

(54:35):
Let's go back to cartoons.
We talk about that all the timeon the show.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
I love you, Michelle.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Let's look at the facts.
But this is the situation, thisis society.
It's always been like this.
We want to be peace, love,happiness planet.
That's not what this planet is,I'm sorry to say.
It's not what this planet is.
It's not why we come here to behuman.
We come here to have trauma anddrama and because if it was

(55:08):
just peace and we had no stress,this would be so boring.
You know, some stress is good,but constant stress and overload
of stress is environmentalhypnosis.
And then that's why we haveillness and disease.
Dis-ease, right.

(55:29):
This is why we have pain in ourbody and the doctor says I
don't know what the hell's goingon.
There's nothing wrong with you.
Dis-ease, dis-ease.
So disease is dis-ease.
Your body is not feeling atease.
Your mind and emotion cause 95%of illness and disease in your
body.
Can you cure yourself with yourmind, then Of course, you can I

(55:51):
don't like to use the word cureHelp yourself.
We can change what's going onin our body.
Of course we can.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
You know what I've been reading about autoimmune
disease.
That it's all suppressed.
It's a certain personality typeand it's the people who never
articulate anger in a healthyway.
It's all ingrown and that's whyI mean I have thyroid issues
and most women do.
Most women do I have thyroidissues.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Really Well.
Why do most women have thyroidissues?

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Because what is this area of the body?
It's your voice, it's yourcommunication, wow so you're not
speaking your truth.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
We're just now kind of starting to speak our truth,
and how many generations andeons has that been?
You know, men do this, women dothat, even in different
cultures all around the world.
So things are changing, thingsare always going to be changing,
but when we manifest our mentaland emotional stress and it

(56:51):
comes into our body these arecalled body syndromes I can
literally pinpoint what's goingon in your life where you have
physical symptoms in your body.
I'm ready.
Are you ready, please?
I think the audience is ready.
So there are five basic areas,okay, and we'll keep them very
general.
So if you have anything goingon from your head and your neck

(57:12):
around in this area, this iscalled decision making, from
your shoulders going all the waydown your back.
This is responsibility we have.
The middle section is yourguilt and frustration.
Your arms and your hands arethe fight mechanism.
The legs and the feet are theflight mechanism.
So everything in your body isliteral and we use organic

(57:37):
language.
We have to be very careful ofthe language that we're saying.
So if you say, oh, I got, theweight of the world is on my
shoulders, well, of course yourshoulders are going to start
hurting If you're going to workand say I can't stand.
You know my boss.
He just makes me sick to mystomach every time I go and see

(57:57):
him or her and you startwondering why you get ulcers.
Oh God, my partner gives mesuch a headache.
And you want to know why you'regetting migraines.
My goodness, I can't handlethings.
I can't put my finger on it.
What aren't you letting go?
What are you pushing away?
What can't you move forward?
So where it is in your body iswhat it means Communication.
Your eyes what did you see?

(58:18):
What don't you want to see?
Your ears what did you hear?
What don't you want to hear?
And then I'm sorry, but I breakyou in half.
So I'm going to take a look ateach side of the body.
The right side of the body isgoing to go to left brain.
So things that are going on onthe right side of the body is
left brain, which is more career, more money, finances, the

(58:38):
logical, the safety, securityside of it.
Anything going with the rightbrain is the left side of the
body Relationship, family, kids,culture, partners, everything.
So think about what's happeningin your body, really, get in
tune and say you know, where amI feeling all of this?

(59:01):
And then say what does thatpart of the body do, what
exactly does it do?
And then what's been going onin the past six months or a year
, before I started noticing this, before these symptoms started
to come up?
Because if the doctor saysliterally they don't know what's
going on it is all in your headand your mind.

(59:24):
What is your subconscious mind?
What is it programmed to do?
Keep you safe, Keeping you safe.
So, for example, a lot ofpeople come in and they want to
do weight management.
Right, Think about what you say.
This is why I don't say weightloss.
If you said to your mind I wantto lose weight, how you say

(59:49):
things, remember your mindperceives it.
Your subconscious mind is achild.
It's only about eight or nineyears old, my goodness, Okay.
So if you say I want to loseweight, I want to lose weight, I
want to lose weight, thinkabout it this way If you lost
your expensive cell phone, or ifyou lost your purse or your
wallet, what would you want todo?
Find it Exactly.

(01:00:09):
So if you say to yoursubconscious mind I want to lose
weight, your subconscious mindis going to say, okay, well, go
ahead and lose it, I'll find itfor you and then I'll bring back
extra so you don't do thatagain so language is a big piece
your organic language.
What are you saying?
So is a big piece, your organiclanguage.
What are you saying?
So how you speak to yourselfinfluences your level of program

(01:00:33):
.
So it's the power of suggestion, and what's so hard about all
of this is that we're not taughtto listen to ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Yes, that's so important.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
We're really not, you know, and we shush our kids
when they say, oh, I'm feelingthis or I'm thinking this, or
they're trying to expressthemselves.
Oh shh, not now, I don't havetime.
Oh shh, oh, you don't know whatyou're talking about.
Of course they don't know whatthey're talking about.
They're seven.
They know, as a seven-year-old,what they're talking about, but

(01:01:07):
they don't know if you're 45.
They don't have a 45-year-oldbrain.
They have a seven-year-oldbrain that still has almost 20
years left of developing.
So, no, they don't know whatyou're talking about.
They know what they're talkingabout as a seven-year-old.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
This goes back to it's interesting you bring this
up parents trying to fix I woulduse that word fix the
misbehaviors of their littlechildren and why the failure
comes to play here, becausethose kids don't really
understand what that40-something-year-old mother or
father is saying.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
And that's a really good point for people to see
that that's brain difference Ifyou give them just one option
See, kids like options.
Same thing I'm noticing with Ihave an elderly parent.
Same thing If I say anopen-ended question it's a yes
or no question I'm always goingto get a no, Right.
Do you want to go take a walk?
No, I don't want to go.
Do you want some water?
No, Everything's no, no, no, no, no, right.

(01:02:09):
But if I pose it in the way ofdo you want to take a walk now
or in 10 minutes, Then thatgives them a sense of being in
control.
Little kids, do you want toclean all of your room today or
just half of your room?
Do you want to eat breakfast at8 o'clock or 8.30?
8.30 is fine.

(01:02:31):
Then you're empowering them,You're teaching them to start
thinking, because they're alwaysgoing to resist Our minds.
That's what we're trained to dois resist everything that comes
in.
And I think exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I'm going to validate what you just said.
It allows them to think withoutus thinking for them, because
then, when they get older, thisis where they get stuck and it's
always like I can't make thisdecision, I can't make that
decision.
It's always looking at thesociety and for people to really
guide them, versus themlistening to themselves, is

(01:03:06):
letting them think at such anearly age by just little simple
things like this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Yes, perfect, perfect Right, and that's why we get so
confused and kids are veryconfused, and children are very
stressed out because they don'ttruly trust themselves anymore
to make a good decision, becausethere's just so much available
for them to get confused with.

(01:03:32):
There's too many things outthere that they can listen to
and watch and be like, oh well,so-and-so is doing this or
they're not doing this, and soit's an overload, remember an
overload of stimulus, anoverload of what I call message
units.
Messages is a state of hypnosis.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
So then, if video games are hypnosis, news is a
hypnosis social media.
Some parts of it could be verynegative.
What can people do?
Because it seems like it'soxygen for everyone nowadays.
You don't have social media, bythe way.
How do you survive?
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Actually, now I'm starting to feel like you've got
to do social media, because Ido TV and radio and a bunch of
things.
Yes, you know I've been inbusiness for my gosh.
I just turned 57.
I've been in business since.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I was….
You look amazing, michelle,thank you that's hypnosis.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
I um, so it's, it's.
We didn't have that.
You know, when I started doingmy hypnotherapy practice and and
seeing clients, I was 24, 25years old.
We didn't have social media.
We didn't really have computers, we had no emails, we really
didn't have cell phones.
That was just kind of startingto come out and everything would
have been print ads.
So if you wanted to do an ad inthe paper for your business
which was social media back thenor maybe you wanted to do a TV

(01:04:52):
commercial or a radio commercial, you had to pay a lot of money
for it.
And so I've, you know, I'vebuilt up my private practice
because 95% of, not more, of myclients are referrals because
I've been in business for solong.
But when people are juststarting with this business,
then yes, it's important forsocial media to come on and to

(01:05:13):
be able to use that, because youcan reach more and the masses
and I think it's fun.
I like coming on and doingpodcasts and working with other
people, because if I do a TVshow, it may just be on a
certain time.
Not everybody has access towatch it.
Once it's done, it's done.

(01:05:33):
You may not always be able tosee it again.
But the good thing withpodcasts and especially with
YouTube and so forth, is thatit's there forever and you can
go back and watch it again andyou can save it and you can
listen to it and you can recordit and you're like, oh, let me
listen to that message over andover and over and over again.
So that's what I like aboutsocial media and, yes, am I

(01:05:55):
getting it?
Yes, all right, everybody, goon my social media.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
We're going to link it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Everybody can follow.
I'll talk more about hypnosis,whatever you know what.
What do you want me to talkabout?
Because I have so many things,and that's what's going on with
me is I have so many peoplesaying you should do a social
media channel about this.
Oh, no, no, no, you should doit about this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
You should, people need it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
You should do about this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
I mean people have social media for all kinds of
stupid things and people followthese stupid things we need
intelligent, wise people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
What do we need?
So that's what you can ask yourfollowers and people you know
what people need.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
What do they need?
I'll tell you right now.
People need to learn how totrust their gut instinct.
Teach us how to do that whenyou know there's something in
there telling you that don'ttrust this person.
You know, just never listen toyourself and you go and do it
and you're in a shitty situation.
How do we help ourselves?

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
How can we trust ourselves to that extent?

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
It's that gut instinct coming from how you
feel it right.
Yeah, like there's this feeling.
It just tells you that person'soff.
You're just not really feelingthat person's energy, but people
, I don't know.
Like I'm going to speak formyself, I don't want to.
You want to be a really goodperson and you want to give
everyone an opportunity,everyone a chance to be in your

(01:07:14):
life.
But there's just something inyou that says, not that person,
but that person is notportraying anything, any red
flags that you can kind of.
And I'm really intelligent,like I'm wise.
I can tell when I meet someonelike something's off, but I
don't listen to myself and Ithink a lot of people can relate
.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Because who are you listening to?
You have the hit, you have yourintuition, your energy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Yes, that's telling you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
God, goddess, all that there is universe, earth,
whatever you want to call it.
You have this gut instinct thatcomes in and little hairs go up
on your arm.
Or, all of a sudden, yourlittle spidey eyes and spidey
ears are like something's notright.
Maybe it was a tone of voice.
Maybe it was their bodylanguage, maybe it was a word
that they said and something wasnot right.
Here's the thing there's 8billion plus people on the

(01:08:06):
planet.
They don't all have to be yourfriends.
Family members don't all haveto be your best friends.
Not everybody has to be yourfriend you don't have to take
care of everybody, you don'thave to listen to everybody, you
don't have to do what everybodyelse wants.
But that's not what you weretaught.
Women are taught a certainthing, men are taught another

(01:08:29):
thing.
You know, men actually have alittle bit easier time trusting
that gut intuition because thatwas okay for them to say I don't
like you, no, we're not doingbusiness, sorry, that was
historically okay.
But for women to say that nowwe're being you know the B word,

(01:08:49):
there's something wrong with us.
You're not kind, you're notvery lovable, it's not ladylike,
it's not socially acceptable,all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
That's interesting.
So then we're fighting againstsomething bigger than here.
So it's whose voice is in yourhead, really?
Who's telling you that youshouldn't trust your instinct?
If you feel something thatsomeone's you know, you're not
vibing with someone, as we wantto call it today.
You should trust yourself anddon't initiate any conversations

(01:09:25):
, just boundaries.
But what's important isunderstanding whose voice is
that?
Is that the culture behind youor your gut instinct?
That gut instinct?
So just just trust it.
Trust it, learn to trust it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
It is always right.
It is always right.
Your gut instinct is alwaysright.
Really, go go back and take alook at all of the times and
situations when you had thatthought or that feeling, or some
people call it like what alittle premonition.
Wow, and it was actually real.

(01:10:00):
You're like I knew it.
I knew something was wrong withthe situation.
I knew something was wrong withthat person.
I knew this was not going to begood with that person.
I knew this was not going to begood.
Why didn't I listen to myself?
Why didn't I pay attention?
If you want to go on aspiritual or more of a
metaphysical level, some peoplesay well, those are your angels

(01:10:22):
talking to you, our angel, yourspirit guides talking to you,
those that have transitioned onyour ancestors who are helping
you from the other side.
So gut instinct it's that Couldbe that as well.
Wow, those little hits thatyou're getting.
So I'm open to everything.
I believe in anything andeverything, because we are only

(01:10:43):
as smart as medicine, technology, religion, science, politics
allows us to be in this moment.
Religion, science, politicsallows us to be in this moment.
So when people say, well,that's not possible, then I'll
say go watch your sci-fi movies,because whatever's in your
sci-fi movies, that is your nextreality, that is your future.
So our brains and our bodiesare very capable of doing

(01:11:08):
everything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Wow, do you believe in angel numbers, the 1111s, the
444s?

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Those are my numbers 1111.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
I always see the 333 and then the 1111.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
So these are all what I call little hits.
Again, these are signs.
These are little signals foryou to pay attention, and if you
start opening to a belief inthat, then you'll see them a lot
.
And so that's how you canactually start manifesting

(01:11:40):
things a little bit faster,because you can ask for signs
God, goddess, all that there is,all angels, all guides, those
that have transitioned onwhatever you want to call it.
You can ask for those as signsthat that is coming to you.
The other thing to make surethat, if you're going to start

(01:12:00):
manifesting and putting thoughtsinto your mind of goals or
dreams and desires that you wantto have, also make sure that
you give it a time frame.
Remember that smart approachGive it a time frame, because if
you say I want that brand new,red, shiny, convertible Corvette
but you don't give it a timeframe, your subconscious mind

(01:12:22):
will say, okay, I'll get it toyou in about 50 years.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
So do you have to say the time to the universe too?
Do you have to say it, or doyou have to put a vision board?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Same thing, it's all the same thing.
So you have to say it.
Or do you have to put a visionboard?
Same thing, it's all the samething.
So you can verbally say it.
Remember, you can write it down.
By the way, when you writethings down not typing it, but
when you write things down thisis an idiom motor response goes
directly to your subconsciousmind.
So if you're going to writedown your dreams, your
affirmations, then write it outand give it a date, a time frame

(01:12:56):
, maybe six months from now, butyou have to say December 12th
2024, I will have received$50,000 in my bank account.
So make it very literal.
Your subconscious is like achild, so make it so simple and

(01:13:17):
easy for it to understand.
Don't say oh my God, I hope Iget $50,000.
, I hope it comes to me someday.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Why is our inner child?
No, I mixed it.
Why is our subconscious mind soyoung?
Our inner child no, I mixed it.
Why is our subconscious mind soyoung?

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Because it doesn't think, it doesn't use logic or
reason, it's just, it's thosefirst eight or nine years of
your life.
It's what's imprinted in there,it's your program, your initial
programs.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
The 90% and it accumulates over time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
But those first eight or nine years are everything
that you experience.
What if there's a lot of traumain there?
Then that becomes your program.
Ooh, that becomes your beliefsystem.
One of the hardest things whenpeople come in and talk to me

(01:14:15):
about your subconscious mind andwhen there is so much trauma or
drama or abuse and so forth,they come in and say, well, I
didn't ask for this, I didn'tcome here to have this in my
life.
Why me?
Why do all these bad thingskeep happening to me?
You know, and I have somepeople right now that I'm

(01:14:35):
working with and I'll just I'llstay in relationships right now,
just keep this very general.
But I've have clients thatcontinually and continue,
continue to pick the same typeof person over and over and over
again and then they're like, oh, there's not enough good women

(01:14:55):
out there, there's no good menout there.
I attract this type.
That's what I have I attractthis, I get all the bad ones.
Yeah, because your mind comesback and says, well, what was
the very first one that you hadthat was significant, that made
a difference in your life?
And if that very firstrelationship that you had was

(01:15:17):
not the best person or the bestrelationship, your mind doesn't
have anything else to compare itto.
My goodness, so the next one'sgoing to go next relationship,
and maybe the first relationshipwas in when you were young.
Maybe you were just a teenager,right?
Or you're in school and youjust started dating.
Well, it depends on if thatfirst dating experience was good

(01:15:39):
or not.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
And that programs you and gets you ready for the next
and so that's called?

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
it's called a gestalt .
That's your very first coreassociation.
And then everything along theline comes back to that core and
says, well, how did I deal withit then?
What do I know about thisrelationship stuff?
Oh, let me get somethingsimilar to it.
Here's apples.
I'm used to having apples.
Let me get some more apples.
Well, let me get some moreapples.

(01:16:05):
There's no pineapple in here.
We just had apples, and maybeyou want to have a pineapple but
you've had all these bad applesalong the line.
You've got to break your cycle.
You've got to catch it.
You've got to like you saidtrust your intuition, your gut

(01:16:26):
instinct, and we all go intorelationships, we all go into
experiencing, knowing what theoutcome is going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
We are, and I know you're like exhausted because
you're all these awesomeinformation for us.
But I have one last questionand I'm just going to speak from
I statement and connect withmyself and talk to you about
this.
I am learning.
I haven't read this anywhere.
It might not even be a thing, Idon't know, but I feel that and

(01:17:03):
what I'm learning from myexperience is that there's
different types of energies andthere's different types of looks
that carry those energies.
Let me explain what I mean,because everyone's going to be
like what is she talking about?
So there's a certain type ofpeople that look the same.
They might have like similarfeatures, and there's people

(01:17:24):
like that in the world.
They're like wait, wow, thatperson looks like this actor or
that person looks.
So I feel like those types ofpeople come with a certain
energy type, whether it'snegative, whether it's positive.
Do you see what I'm saying?
Are those things true?

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Do you believe them to be true?
Yes, okay, then they're truefor you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
It's true for me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
There's your answer.
It's true for you.
Yes, is that true?

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
for everybody?
No, obviously it's not going tobe.
But yeah, I'm kind of linking,I'm like wait, like these type
of people like look alike, butthey also carry that same energy
type.
That's so interesting.
I don't know.
I've experienced that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Okay, so it's a me thing, so it's a you thing, but
it's an energy thing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
That.
That's how you are experiencingthe world.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yes, and that protects me, because half the
time it's true.
It's true Like I trust myselfand it's true, I'm like, oh my
goodness, this is quiteinteresting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
So now you have your life experience, you have your
knowledge, you have everythingthat you've gone through and
your mind is adding two plus twoand you're like well, it's a
four.
So if I have this and this andthis, it's going to equate to
that and that's like you said,it's protecting you.
See, you already said it, it'skeeping you safe and it really

(01:18:45):
does, so your beliefs areprogrammed to keep you safe.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
And it really does work, like I've had to learn to
trust myself.
It was not an easy thing to do.
I think obviously a master'sprogram helped.
Going into a PhD program thathelped.
But also reading and reallylearning about myself helped.
Rejection helped All of thesethings help.

(01:19:11):
Yeah, it forms who you are.
It really does.
So I think people shouldn't beafraid of this rejection, the
fear like tackle it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
And go see Michelle, Ask yourself just what is it?
What's going on?
How is it affecting me?
What do I want to do about it?
How do I want to change it?
Because you've got the power ofchange.
And if I don't know how to doit myself, who do I need to talk
to?
What do I need to look up?
What research do I need to have?

(01:19:41):
And then be able to realize Icall it the three R's being able
to research, research yoursubconscious programming.
Is it a fact or is it a programthat you learned?
It's been installed.
Then take a look at thatprogram, reprogram it, change it
around, change it from anegative, change it to a

(01:20:04):
positive, and then realize youcan do anything you set your
mind to do.
You have the power to changeyour life.
Yes, and if other people don'tlike it, that's too bad, that's
too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
What about people that think hypnotherapy is their
hypnotherapists are psychics ormediums?

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Those are different.
Everybody is psychic andeverybody's a medium.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Everybody's a hypnotherapist and everybody is
a hypnotist and everybody is acounselor and everybody is a
coach and everybody is atherapist on this planet.
And guess what?
We're all doctors and we're alllawyers and we're all teachers
and we're all policemen andwe're all janitors.
Don't you tell people what todo?
Don't you give people advice?
Don't you put Band-Aids on yourchildren?
Don't you tell people what todo?

(01:20:52):
Don't you give people advice?
Don't you put Band-Aids on yourchildren?
Don't you clean?
Don't you clean?
So we're all of thesemodalities.
Hypnotherapy is just behaviormodification, counseling.
So get out of the fear of theword hypnosis, because that's
just communication.
All I'm doing is communicatingto your subconscious mind, and

(01:21:15):
if you come in and you do asession with me, I'll put you in
a state of suggestibility.
You're very focused, you'revery aware, your body is relaxed
.
You hear everything that I'msaying.
I may be from Alaska, but Idon't go on fishing trips.
I'm not going to go in and findall your deep, dark secrets.
I don't need to, because that'sTV and movies.
That's the scary part.
That's not at all what we do.
Where are you?

(01:21:36):
Give me your history and wheredo you want to go, and then I'm
going to give you suggestions ina very suggestible state.
So there's no, I'm going toopen the doors.
So there's nothing blocking me.
But they're your suggestions.
It's what you want, not what Iwant.
I don't care if you stopsmoking or not, but if you want

(01:21:57):
to, we'll formulate the rightsuggestions for you, and then
I'll open the door, I'll dropthem in, and when I close the
door, I now have created a newneural pathway.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
And what a way to finish.
I love that because I thinkpeople needed to really
understand what it is.
Many people are scared of it.
Oh, it goes against our faithand it's like, no, it doesn't
even touch.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Faith is hypnosis, religion is hypnosis, prayer is
hypnosis, meditation is hypnosis.
How is?

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
faith hypnosis when you have faith.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Faith is what it's a belief system, it's an energy.
You're putting that out therewhen you're praying.
What are you doing?
You're being grateful.
Well, what are you doing?
It's a message, it's acommunication.
It's communication to what?

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
To my Lord Jesus Christ, to whoever, whatever,
whatever faith, whatever,whoever whatever, whatever,
whatever faith, whatever culture, you have, whatever religion
you have, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
And so when you put yourself in that state and you
are praying or you're sayingmantras or you're chanting, you
know nam-myoho-renge-kyo,whatever it is that you're doing
, those are hypnotic states, andwhen you truly believe in that
prayer, that's why hands-onhealing is real.

(01:23:16):
That's why, when you go to bigevents and they're all praying,
they're all in that samemotivation, the same thought
process of here's what I want,here's the intention of it.
It can be real.
Same thing if it's negativethough.
Wow, same thing if it'snegative.

(01:23:38):
So if you have enough peoplecoming together with a negative
intention, is it going tomanifest?
Yes, so everything is a stateof hypnosis, my dear.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Wow, michelle, thank you for today.
I'd love to have you on becauseI want to talk about life after
death.
Yeah, would you be down to?

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
have that conversation.
Let me check in all my otherlifetimes.
Hold on, yeah, they're allcoming together.
They're all said yes, yeah,they're like.
Yeah, we'll talk, we'll talk.
I love it.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
She has humor too, which is awesome, thank, you so
much I love talking to you sowise Thank you it's been fun.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
And just remember, think about what you're saying
to yourself yeah, think aboutwhat you're saying about your,
your culture, our people andyour people and what those
beliefs are, and and get rid ofthe negatives, because unless
you get rid of that negativelanguage that you're saying,
you're not going to be able tobreak the cycle.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Is there such a thing as a happy march, though?
So if we're marching, we'reprotesting for a good purpose
and that's recognition.
Do you think that maybechanging that mindset and doing
that is helpful?
Versus the 1915, never againshout.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Well, if you look at Martin Luther, you know Jr King
and all that.
It was supposed to be peacefulprotest.
Peaceful protest, yes, back inthe day when they're changing
how people are seeing you knowother people and stuff changing
how people are seeing you knowother people and stuff.
It's Gandhi, you know it was apeaceful thing.

(01:25:15):
He did the whole fasting for along time but he wasn't killing
people, he was just like I'mmaking a statement, john Lennon
hanging out in his yes, yoko Ono.
They're all hanging out intheir apartment, naked, doing
whatever, peacefully protesting,but in a loving way.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Yeah, not manifesting negative.
That makes so much sense.
Thank you for that.
We really appreciate that.
Thank you, all right.
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