March 13, 2025 • 35 mins
In the heart of Washington D.C., a young woman vanishes without a trace—leaving behind a trail of secrets, scandal, and unanswered questions. Chandra Levy, a 24-year-old intern with a promising future, disappears in May 2001, seemingly swallowed by the city's streets. What followed was a media frenzy, a web of political intrigue, and a mystery that would capture the nation's attention for years.
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D (00:01):
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Sophia (01:23):
Have you guys heard of what's going on with Casey
Anthony now?
Elena (01:27):
Oh.
She's on TikTok.
Sophia (01:28):
She's on TikTok.
D (01:29):
Oh no.
Okay.
Elena (01:32):
I saw that.
That's crazy.
D (01:34):
Okay.
What is she doing on TikTok?
Sophia (01:36):
Okay, real quick, for anyone who doesn't know Casey
Anthony was, I guess, acquittedin 2011 of killing her daughter,
Caylee Anthony.
But most people do not believethat.
But, okay, so she's on TikTokand she was saying that, she's
an advocate for.
People who are having to gothrough the legal system and
that she's been working in thelegal system since 2011, which
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was her acquittal day, and shewas just positioning herself as
somebody who now I don't thinkthis is the right thing to do,
but is offering legal advice topeople.
And I don't even think she's.
Elena (02:11):
Oh my God, that's,
Sophia (02:11):
I don't even think she's an attorney, so I don't know
what she's doing and she's not.
What's funny is somebody evenasked video recorded Gypsy Rose.
And they were like, hey, what doyou think of, Casey, Anthony
giving people legal advice?
Do you think that's okay?
Since she's not an attorney?
And even Gypsy was like, no,that's not okay.
And in case anyone doesn't knowwho Gypsy is, she was the one
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who was being held captive.
Well, her mom was basicallymaking her sick and saying she
was sick with all these medicalissues when that wasn't true.
And then she had her boyfriendthat she met online, murder her
mom.
And now she's been out of prisonfor some time too.
But, very interesting.
So just wanted to share thatwith you all.
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In case you hadn't heard CaseyAnthony is on TikTok and I don't
know what she thinks she's doingthere.
But that's just what's beengoing on in the true crime world
this week.
D (03:02):
Thank you for sharing, Sophia.
Good to know.
All right.
Now we're gonna move to ourpodcast story.
Okay.
Today I'm going to explore acase that gripped the nation for
years, the disappearance ofChandra Levy, who was a
24-year-old intern at theFederal Bureau of Prisons in
Washington, DC.
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Who's Chandra Levy?
Do you guys know the story?
Sophia (03:27):
You know her name is familiar.
And was she in DC?
D (03:29):
Yes, correct.
Sophia (03:30):
Okay.
I can't remember all of it, butI do think I am.
Yes, I have learned about itbefore.
It'll come back to me.
Elena (03:36):
No, as of right now, I don't think I'm familiar with
it.
D (03:39):
Okay, so Chandra Levy was a bright and promising young woman
who was intelligent, ambitious,and driven.
Born on April 14th, 1977.
Chandra was born in Cleveland,Ohio to Robert and Susan Levy.
Eventually the family moved toModesto, California.
Her parents remember her asbeing individualistic,
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fun-loving, and sometimes bossywith her younger brother Adam.
Levy was also ambitious from ayoung age and dreamt to either
joining the FBI or becoming alawyer when she grew up.
Now she attended San FranciscoState University where she
earned a degree in journalism.
After entering for theCalifornia Bureau of Secondary
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Education and working in theoffice of the Los Angeles Mayor
Richard Riordan, she beganattending the University of
Southern California to earn amaster degree in public
administration.
As part of her final semester ofstudy, Chandra moved to
Washington DC to become a paidintern with the Federal Bureau
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of Prisons.
In October, 2000, she began herinternship in the Bureau's
headquarters where she wasassigned to the public affairs
division.
Her supervisor bureauspokesperson, Dan Dunne, was
impressed with Chandra's work.
Chandra's internship wasabruptly terminated in April of
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2001, because her academiceligibility was found to have
expired in December of 2000.
She had already completed hermaster's degree requirements and
was schedule to return toCalifornia in May, 2001 for
graduation.
She was known for beinghardworking, but she was also a
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social person, enjoying timewith friends, exercising, and
exploring the city.
By all accounts, Chandra had apromising future ahead of her.
Now let's take a step back intime to 2001 and pieced together
the chilling details of herdisappearance.
On May 1st, 2001, Chandra Levywas last seen, and her life
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would take an unexpected andtragic turn.
The assumption is she had gonefor a jog in Rock Creek Park,
just a short distance from herapartment.
The Metropolitan PoliceDepartment, which I will be
calling MPD from now, was firstalerted on May 6th when
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Chandra's parents called fromModesto to report they had not
heard from their daughter infive days.
Police called hospitals andvisited Chandra's apartment in
DuPont Circle that day, findingno indication of foul play.
Now, police didn't obtain thesecurity footage in Chandra's
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apartment until more than sevendays had passed.
They were unable to determinewhat time she left or if she
left alone.
The footage was recorded overevery seven days.
With no leads from theinvestigators Chandra's mom
looked through her daughter'sphone bill to find answers.
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The statement showed numerouscalls by Chandra to the same
cell phone number, which endedup being a US Congressman.
Oh yeah.
On May 7, Chandra's father toldthe police that his daughter had
been having an affair with a UScongressman.
Chandra's aunt also called thepolice and told them that
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Chandra had confined in herabout the affair.
Police obtained a warrant on May10 to conduct a former search of
Chandra's apartmentInvestigators found her credit
cards identification and mobilephone left behind in her purse,
along with a partially packedsuitcase.
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The answering machine was fullwith messages left by her
relatives, and two from thecongressman.
A police sergeant tried toexamine Chandra's laptop
computer and inadvertentlycorrupted the internet search
data as, he was not a trainedtechnician.
Computer experts took a month toreconstruct the data to
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determine that the laptop wasused on the morning of May 1st
to search for websites relatedto Amtrak, Baskin Robbins, the
Congressman, Southwest Airlines,and a weather report from the
Washington Post.
Her final search was at 12:59 PMwas for Alsace-Lorraine a region
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in France.
A particular search at 11:33 AMwas for information about the
Creek Park in the WashingtonPost Entertainment Guide.
Then at 11:34 AM she clicked alink to bring a app of the park.
There was no sign of Chandrawhen investigators searched the
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area.
In addition, detectives latertheorized, and I'm not even sure
if this is true, I.
That she might have met someoneat the Pierce Klingle Mansion,
which houses the parkheadquarters.
On July 25th, 2001, three DCpolice sergeants and 28 police
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cadets served along Glover Roadin the park, but failed to find
evidence of Chandra.
Later, a second attempt foundnothing.
Well, who was the congressmanthat Chandra Levy was having an
affair with?
It was Gary Condit, a marriedcongressman from California, and
28 years her senior.
Sophia (09:26):
I just knew he was gonna be married.
D (09:28):
Yes.
He represented the congressionaldistrict in which the Levy
family resided.
At first, he denied that he hadan affair with her, although
police stated that Condit wasnot a suspect.
Levy's family said they feltCondit was being evasive and
possibly hiding informationabout the matter.
Sophia (09:51):
So my question is, they didn't get to look at the video
footage at her apartment untilshe was missing for over seven
days.
D (10:00):
At the seventh day, I think they went yes.
Or she was missing the seventhday.
Sophia (10:06):
I just, I feel like they took a while to get to that, but
I don't know what the timelinelooked like.
D (10:11):
The police did one thing after the other that really
affected everything thathappened to Chandra.
And that was just one from thevery beginning.
Elena (10:22):
Yeah.
Seven days is long.
D (10:25):
Oh, they waited so many days before they even got a, search
warrant.
So how did they meet?
Condit had been introduced toChandra when her friend visited
his office for a tour of theCapitol.
While Condit and Chandra led alife of secrecy, Chandra's
parents believed she was happyand content in DC.
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Chandra told her aunt LindaZamsky over Thanksgiving that
she had a relationship with acongressman in his fifties who
looked like Harrison Ford.
That December Chandra alsomentioned the affair in an email
that she sent to a friend.
This is what she said to herfriend,"Everything else here in
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DC is going good.
My man will be coming back whenCongress starts up again, don't
tell.
And, she has a person who was afriend in Condit's office,) who
I'm seeing, since she thinks I'mdating an FBI agent.", she
wrote.
Sophia (11:28):
Wait, who thought she was dating an FBI agent?
D (11:30):
A friend of theirs who was working in Condit's Office.
Sophia (11:35):
Oh, so she didn't even know that she was dating Condit?
D (11:37):
No, they had it as a secret affair.
Sophia (11:41):
Okay.
Well, I'm just wondering becauseat this point, Chandra is not
necessarily saying who it is,but she is telling people, hey,
I'm dating this congressman.
D (11:50):
She did tell her aunt and her friend.
Right.
But she wasn't telling otherpeople.
Sophia (11:55):
Not only one person can keep a secret.
So the more people she'stelling, the more concerning it
could get for the secret beingreleased.
D (12:03):
All right.
Most likely in April, before shehad flown back, however, Chandra
called her Aunt Zamsky and lefta message saying that she had
something important to tell her.
Zamsky never learned what thatsomething was.
Just a few days later on May1st, 2001, Chandra disappeared
and was never seen again.
Sophia (12:24):
Wait, she said she had something to tell her aunt.
D (12:27):
Mm-hmm.
Sophia (12:28):
Ooh.
Maybe I'm just making a guess,but maybe it's a pregnancy.
D (12:31):
Maybe.
I'm not sure.
Sophia (12:34):
You also have to wonder if Condit is involved.
Why now?
Why would she go missing now?
D (12:40):
Zamsky never learned what that something was.
Just a few days later on May1st, 2001, Chandra disappeared,
was never seen again for a fewweeks, the case went unnoticed
by the broader public, but allthat changed when the media
caught wind of a possibleconnection between Chandra and
the high profile politicalfigure.
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Unidentified police sourcesalleged that Condit had admitted
to an affair with Chandra duringan interview with law
enforcement officers on July7th, 2001.
That's two months later.
Condit described her to thepolice as a vegetarian who
avoided drinking and smoking.
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He thought that Chandra wasgoing to return to Washington DC
after her graduation and wassurprised to find out that the
lease on her had ended.
Investigators searched Condit'sapartment on July 10th.
A twist to the story is that lawofficers also questioned flight
attendant Ann-Marie Smith.
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Who is Ann-Marie Smith, you mayask.
Smith was involved in an affairwith Condit also.
Smith claimed that Condit toldher she did not need to speak to
the Federal Bureau ofInvestigation about his personal
life.
Federal officers beganinvestigating Condit for
possible obstruction of justice.
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Smith was not acquainted withChandra.
Upset by leaks to media, Conditrefused to submit to a polygraph
test by DC Police.
His attorney asserted thatCondit passed the test
administered by a privatelyhired examiner on July 13th.
Intensive coverage until thenews of September 11th attacks
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superseded the media coverage ofChandra's case.
Condit's involvement in the casedrew intense media intention
with many speculating that hehad something to do with
Chandra's disappearance.
The political angle added alayer of intrigue to an already
tragic story.
In fact, reporters began campingout near Condit's house trying
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to get a glimpse of informationabout the case.
Chandra's parents and friendsheld numerous vigils and press
conference in an attempt tobring Chandra home.
In 2002, a major breakthroughoccurred of sorts a May 2nd,
2002, a man called 9 1 1 when hefound a skull in a remote area
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of Rock Creek Park near BroadBranch Creek.
Investigators were quick todetermine the skull belonged to
Chandra with dental records butcould not determine a cause of
death.
However, forensic evidence foundnear the skull, including a pair
of jogging pants with knotstight at the bottom of her
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ankles did indicate foul play.
Elena (15:43):
Wait, so how long officially has she been missing
for?
D (15:46):
One year.
Elena (15:46):
Okay.
D (15:48):
Investigators believe the knotted pants could be evidence
that Chandra was restrainedbefore her death.
Detectives found bones andpersonal items scattered, but
not buried in a forested areaalong a steep incline.
A sports bra, sweatshirt,underwear, running shoes, and a
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Sony Walkman were among theevidence that was recovered.
A preliminary autopsy wasperformed.
District of Columbia Policeannounced that there was
sufficient evidence to open ahomicide investigation.
On May 28th, D.C.
Medical examiner officiallydeclared Chandra's death at
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homicide, but he said,"There'sless to work with than I would
like.
It's possible we will never knowspecifically how she died." He
found damage to her hyoid bonesuggesting that she was possibly
strangled but he did not deem itto be conclusive evidence of
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such a cause of death.
On June 6th, after the policecompleted their search, private
investigators hired by theLevy's found her shin bone and
some twisted wire about 25yards, which is 23 meters, from
the other remains.
Police Charles H.
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Ramsey said"It's unacceptablethat these items were not
located." Although police hadpreviously searched over half
the 1,754 acre main section ofthe park, the wooded slope where
Chandra's remains wereeventually found, had not been
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searched.
Sophia (17:37):
Why?
D (17:37):
Well, let me get into it.
Due to the miscommunication, theMPD, of the District of Columbia
failed to follow its own searchparameters in the Rock Creek
Park, leaving Chandra's body todecompose for one year.
Police commanders ordered thesearch perimeters to be within
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100 yards, which is 91 meters,of each road and trail, but due
to a miscommunication, theofficers only searched within
100 yards of every road.
The remains were found aboutfour miles, six kilometers, from
Chandra's apartment.
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The MPD had been informed, butsoon dismissed the information
that Ingmar Guandique, a20-year-old undocumented
immigrant from El Salvadoralready arrested for attacking
women in Rock Creek Park.
Sophia (18:36):
Was he arrested before Chandra went missing?
D (18:40):
No, I don't think so.
Sophia (18:42):
Okay, so hypothetically he definitely could have been
involved in this potentially.
D (18:47):
Yes.
Hypothetically, that is correct.
Sophia (18:52):
Was his mo tying the runner's pants around their
ankles?
D (18:57):
I don't know.
They never mentioned that.
Guandique had denied attackingChandra.
The MPD instead put much of itsfocus on the revelation that
Chandra had been having anextramarital affair with
Congressman Gary Condit.
By then Condit's name had beencleared, though the public's
obsession with the case had onlygrown.
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Due to the cloud of suspicionraised by the intense media
focus on the missing intern andthe later revelation of the
affair.
Condit lost his bid forre-election in 2002.
On May 28th, 2002, the Levyfamily organized a memorial
service at the Modesto CentralPlaza that drew over 1,200
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people.
Speakers at the ceremonyincluded Chandra's brother,
grandmother, great aunt andfriends.
About a year later on May 27th,2003, Chandra's remains were
buried in Lakewood Memorial ParkCemetery at Houston, California,
near her hometown of Modesto.
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Now following a series ofinvestigated reports by the
Washington Post in 2008, the MPDfollowed up and finally obtained
a warrant on March 3rd, 2009, toarrest Ingmar Guandique.
Identified and dismissed by theMPD eight years earlier, on May
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1st, 2001, the day Chandra Levyvanished Guandique had
apparently missed a day of workat his construction job.
Furthermore, his former landladyrecalled that his face appeared
scratched and bruised at aroundthat time.
Sophia (20:40):
That doesn't look very good for him.
D (20:43):
True.
Sophia (20:44):
We know that Chandra was sleeping with Condit, but it
doesn't necessarily mean that'sthe reason she went missing and
was murdered.
D (20:54):
I'm just telling you the story at this point.
This is how it has progressed.
Sophia (20:58):
I know.
But I think it's natural forsomeone to be listening, such as
myself and to think, oh, well,how could Condit not have
something to do with this?
But stranger things havehappened.
D (21:12):
True.
He had been convicted ofassaulting two other women in
Rock Creek Park around the timeof Chandra's disappearance and
was still in prison on thoseconvictions, when the arrest
warrant on Chandra's death wasissued.
Prosecutors alleged thatGuandique had attacked and tied
up Chandra in a remote area ofthe park and left her to die of
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dehydration and exposure.
During the trial prosecutionwitness, Armando Morales who
shared a cell with Guandique atthe US Penitentiary in Kentucky
testified that Guandique wasconcerned about being
transferred between prisons in2006 because of inmate violence
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against suspected rapists.
Morales stated that Guandique, afellow member of the Mara
Salvatrucha gang, confined tohim that he had killed Chandra
while trying to rob her, butsaid that he did not rape her.
The prosecution rested theircase on November 10th while
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dropping two out of the sixcharges against Guandique:
sexual assault and murderassociated with that assult.
On November 15, the defenserested its case without calling
Guandique to the stand.
Other prison witnesses called bythe defense refuted Morale's
testimony.
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On November, 2010, Guandique wasconvicted of murdering Chandra.
He was sentenced in February,2011 to 60 years in prison.
Prosecutors on the case heavilyrelied upon statements from
Guandique, who's formercellmate, Armando Morales, but
it soon came to light thatMorales had been lying.
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A woman named Babs Proller,befriended Morales, who
eventually confined in her thathe had lied under oath.
Prowler gave this information toinvestigators and due to the
prosecutor's request, a judgedismissed charges against
Guandique.
In June of 2015, Guandique wasgranted a new trial.
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On July 8th, 2016, prosecutorsannounced that they would not
proceed with the case againstGuandique and would instead seek
to have him deported.
In March of 2017, Guandique losthis bid to remain in the United
States and was deported to hisnative country El Salvador on
May 5th, 2017.
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Some facts, in 2010 though, asmall amount of DNA was found on
Chandra's clothing.
It didn't match Guandique orCondit.
Sophia (23:58):
Ooh.
That's interesting.
But we are on her clothing.
D (24:02):
I have no idea.
Sophia (24:03):
That's so interesting.
D (24:04):
This is the first that I've heard of this actually, and I've
known this case.
And second is I wonder ifthey've done ancestory DNA on
that one.
Sophia (24:14):
Yes.
I ask where it is because whoknows how easy it would be for
somebody who's not involved fortheir DNA to transfer onto her
clothing.
I don't know.
D (24:24):
I don't know.
I do find interesting that theydid find DNA since her clothes
were out there over a year.
Now, maybe it was on her pantson the inside.
It had dried out, like the guyraped her if she was raped
Sophia (24:39):
Was she for sure raped.
D (24:40):
We don't know any of that.
But if they found semen on herclothing, and they have not
released that, then I would saythat's a pretty good indication
that it was this individual.
Elena (24:53):
Yeah, that's possible.
But didn't they say that it,they took a while before they
found the DNA?
D (25:00):
No, nothing of that sort.
Sophia (25:02):
If they had found semen.
Wouldn't they have tested thatDNA against both Condit and
Guandique?
And wouldn't that have beenshown at the trial to have been
like, Hey, there was semen hereand it's Guandique shut and
closed.
D (25:17):
Maybe back then they weren't able to test the DNA'cause it
was a small amount.
Now they can.
They can test a small amount andfigure out a lot more than they
could before.
Sophia (25:30):
Can I ask what does the family think?
Who do they think was involved?
D (25:35):
They have a lot of questions.
They don't think it's Guandiqueand they don't think it's Condit
now.
Sophia (25:42):
I would not be surprised if they were right.
D (25:45):
The Levy family was again left with questions regarding
their daughter's death.
I.
For instance, when exactly didshe leave her apartment?
Was she alone?
Had she planned to meet someoneat the park, or did she simply
plan to go on a solo run?
Was her killer someone she knew,or was she murdered by a
stranger?
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Chandra's murder remainsunsolved.
My closing thoughts, the ChandraLevy case left an indelible mark
on the American public'sconsciousness, and the emotional
scars remained.
It raised questions about mediasensationalism, the influence of
politics and criminalinvestigations, and the way
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missing person cases arehandled.
It also highlighted theheartbreaking reality of a young
woman with so much potentialwhose life was taken too soon
and whose family, who onlywanted answers, was left with
nothing but painful uncertaintyfor many years.
Though the case of Chandra Levyremains a topic of intrigue, it
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also a reminder of how deeplypersonal and heartbreaking the
search of truth can be.
For her family.
It's a reminder of a daughter, asister, and a person with so
much promise taken too soon.
Do you guys have any questions,thoughts?
Sophia (27:10):
Well, it's sad as in every case we discover, and
Chandra was so young, she had somuch more life yet to live.
She was just starting her lifein so many ways and she seemed
to be enjoying it.
She seemed to be enjoying herrelationships and her work that
she was doing.
So it's definitely a tragedythat she wasn't able to grow old
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and experience life more andjust really get to have the
experience of living life andgoing through life.
So that's very sad.
And being in DC, living in aworld where there's a political
aspect to the city just makes ita little bit more airy and
mysterious, I think.
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Not that I think that Condit wasinvolved, there are so many
other unknowns being in a cityof DC.
I wonder who knows what elsecould have been going on.
Also makes you wonder, okay, ifit's not Condit or Guandique,
what other person waspotentially attacking woman or
decided to attack Chandra inRock Creek Park?
Elena (28:20):
Yeah, that's what I was wondering too.
There are two possible suspectsthat seem like they could both
have a motive or have hadsomething to do with it.
And yet both of them did notturn out to be part of it.
So it's very confusing andfrustrating'cause you had two
viable options and now thatthey've been cleared, you're
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left with nothing.
It's like, where do you go fromhere?
D (28:45):
The way I see it is Condit was easy, because he was having
an affair with her and he was apolitical figure.
However, he really didn't haveanything to do with it.
He was just having an affair,and it just became a big thing.
It's their private life as faras I'm concerned.
However, with Guandique, hisfirst cases were on the women he
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attacked.
He had not killed anyone.
Sophia (29:09):
That's a good point.
Elena (29:10):
True.
D (29:12):
And they were found obviously, because they were
able to identify him.
However, Chandra, probably waskilled.
She was attacked, tied up andkilled.
So I think it may have beensomeone who, took it as an
opportunity.
It just happened.
It wasn't someone who was doingthis a lot, because the police
never say that this washappening a lot except for
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Guandique doing it.
So if he didn't do it, was theresomeone else doing it too?
They never say anything.
Didn't anyone not know?
They don't talk about it.
Sophia (29:45):
It could have definitely been opportunistic, that's for
sure.
And being in DC it's almost likea house of cards in some ways.
And I'm wondering also, what didChandra want to share with her
aunt that she didn't before?
I think it was her aunt.
Right?
That she had something to sharewith.
Correct.
What also makes you wonder, isthat somehow related at all in
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what caused your death or is itnot related?
D (30:12):
It may not be related with her death at all.
Sophia (30:16):
It may not, and I will say there has been no motive
brought up as to why Conditwould've been involved.
So they never said, oh, well,she was pregnant or whatever.
There was never really anymotive given as to why kind of
would want her dead, which makesit, in my opinion, less likely
that he would have a reason toget rid of her.
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Especially'cause he was havingother affairs.
None of these women, as far as Iknow, have ended up dead.
I just don't see a motive forwhy he would want to kill
Chandra.
D (30:50):
I don't think he wanted Chandra killed.
I just think it happened thatshe was killed and he was having
an affair with her, and thepolice went down that rabbit
hole because yeah, it was bignews sensational, and they were
just like, wow, this iswonderful.
They had a lot of media and allthat.
To me, whoever did it eitherknew her or didn't.
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It doesn't matter.
They have DNA.
I hope they are able to dogenealogy DNA.
and find out if they can.
I don't know.
It's a small amount, butnowadays they can replicate even
small amount to get more.
It just depends how many markersthey have on this DNA.
Sophia (31:27):
Well, it also makes you wonder, what if it matched?
D (31:30):
It didn't match Guandique.
It didn't match Condit.
So they really need to go backand look at it.
I bet you they also did somesearches in databases.
So I think at this point, theirbest bet is to do an ancestory
DNA
Elena (31:46):
if there's enough of it.
'cause I know in order to dothat, you need enough DNA.
D (31:52):
That is true.
The other thing is if they canreplicate it,'cause now they can
replicate DNA.
This is the first I ever heardthat they had DNA.
It's interesting to know wherethey found it, because they
obviously did it to see whetheror not it was Condit's and
Guandique's.
I'm assuming that maybe it waslike something they found like
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semen, DNA They're just notsaying.
Sophia (32:16):
It's exposed to the elements.
Rain, snow.
How would that DNA even still bethere?
Is semen lasts a while?
Is that what it is?
D (32:24):
It could dry if it was semen and I don't know if it is.
That's exactly what I wasthinking.
The weather could have reallydamaged it.
DC gets cold, there's snow,rain, whatever.
But if it was maybe semen and itdried, and then it was tucked
away in her pants somehow andprotected from the element.
(32:44):
It could be if it was on herundie and her undie was in the
pants, and it was somehow tuckedin.
It could protect it.
I don't know.
I just find it very interesting.
Sophia (32:54):
We also don't know what they know and don't know.
D (32:57):
They did not handle the case very well in the past.
I'm hoping maybe they do somegenealogy DNA and just figure it
out.
Elena (33:05):
I do know that from what I remember from previous cases
is you can have enough DNA tocompare it to a suspect, but not
enough for a genealogy test.
Because I think they need like37 markers of DNA or something
like that.
And if you wanna do even furthergenealogy tests, you can have 67
(33:29):
or 111 markers.
So I think, if it's not enoughDNA or for some reason there's
something wrong with it, theymay only be able to test it
against subjects and notgenealogy.
D (33:42):
Yes, unless they can replicate it.
I mean there are ways you couldtake some part of DNA replicate
it.
I just don't how many markersthey have.
That is true.
Elena (33:50):
And also if they don't have the funding for it,'cause I
think it's expensive.
D (33:53):
It is.
They were supposed to get helpfrom the FBI.
Just don't know nowadays.
Elena (33:58):
Yeah.
D (33:59):
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Sophia (01:23):
Have you guys heard of what's going on with Casey
Anthony now?
Elena (01:27):
Oh.
She's on TikTok.
Sophia (01:28):
She's on TikTok.
D (01:29):
Oh no.
Okay.
Elena (01:32):
I saw that.
That's crazy.
D (01:34):
Okay.
What is she doing on TikTok?
Sophia (01:36):
Okay, real quick, for anyone who doesn't know Casey
Anthony was, I guess, acquittedin 2011 of killing her daughter,
Caylee Anthony.
But most people do not believethat.
But, okay, so she's on TikTokand she was saying that, she's
an advocate for.
People who are having to gothrough the legal system and
that she's been working in thelegal system since 2011, which
(02:00):
was her acquittal day, and shewas just positioning herself as
somebody who now I don't thinkthis is the right thing to do,
but is offering legal advice topeople.
And I don't even think she's.
Elena (02:11):
Oh my God, that's,
Sophia (02:11):
I don't even think she's an attorney, so I don't know
what she's doing and she's not.
What's funny is somebody evenasked video recorded Gypsy Rose.
And they were like, hey, what doyou think of, Casey, Anthony
giving people legal advice?
Do you think that's okay?
Since she's not an attorney?
And even Gypsy was like, no,that's not okay.
And in case anyone doesn't knowwho Gypsy is, she was the one
(02:31):
who was being held captive.
Well, her mom was basicallymaking her sick and saying she
was sick with all these medicalissues when that wasn't true.
And then she had her boyfriendthat she met online, murder her
mom.
And now she's been out of prisonfor some time too.
But, very interesting.
So just wanted to share thatwith you all.
(02:52):
In case you hadn't heard CaseyAnthony is on TikTok and I don't
know what she thinks she's doingthere.
But that's just what's beengoing on in the true crime world
this week.
D (03:02):
Thank you for sharing, Sophia.
Good to know.
All right.
Now we're gonna move to ourpodcast story.
Okay.
Today I'm going to explore acase that gripped the nation for
years, the disappearance ofChandra Levy, who was a
24-year-old intern at theFederal Bureau of Prisons in
Washington, DC.
(03:23):
Who's Chandra Levy?
Do you guys know the story?
Sophia (03:27):
You know her name is familiar.
And was she in DC?
D (03:29):
Yes, correct.
Sophia (03:30):
Okay.
I can't remember all of it, butI do think I am.
Yes, I have learned about itbefore.
It'll come back to me.
Elena (03:36):
No, as of right now, I don't think I'm familiar with
it.
D (03:39):
Okay, so Chandra Levy was a bright and promising young woman
who was intelligent, ambitious,and driven.
Born on April 14th, 1977.
Chandra was born in Cleveland,Ohio to Robert and Susan Levy.
Eventually the family moved toModesto, California.
Her parents remember her asbeing individualistic,
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fun-loving, and sometimes bossywith her younger brother Adam.
Levy was also ambitious from ayoung age and dreamt to either
joining the FBI or becoming alawyer when she grew up.
Now she attended San FranciscoState University where she
earned a degree in journalism.
After entering for theCalifornia Bureau of Secondary
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Education and working in theoffice of the Los Angeles Mayor
Richard Riordan, she beganattending the University of
Southern California to earn amaster degree in public
administration.
As part of her final semester ofstudy, Chandra moved to
Washington DC to become a paidintern with the Federal Bureau
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of Prisons.
In October, 2000, she began herinternship in the Bureau's
headquarters where she wasassigned to the public affairs
division.
Her supervisor bureauspokesperson, Dan Dunne, was
impressed with Chandra's work.
Chandra's internship wasabruptly terminated in April of
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2001, because her academiceligibility was found to have
expired in December of 2000.
She had already completed hermaster's degree requirements and
was schedule to return toCalifornia in May, 2001 for
graduation.
She was known for beinghardworking, but she was also a
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social person, enjoying timewith friends, exercising, and
exploring the city.
By all accounts, Chandra had apromising future ahead of her.
Now let's take a step back intime to 2001 and pieced together
the chilling details of herdisappearance.
On May 1st, 2001, Chandra Levywas last seen, and her life
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would take an unexpected andtragic turn.
The assumption is she had gonefor a jog in Rock Creek Park,
just a short distance from herapartment.
The Metropolitan PoliceDepartment, which I will be
calling MPD from now, was firstalerted on May 6th when
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Chandra's parents called fromModesto to report they had not
heard from their daughter infive days.
Police called hospitals andvisited Chandra's apartment in
DuPont Circle that day, findingno indication of foul play.
Now, police didn't obtain thesecurity footage in Chandra's
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apartment until more than sevendays had passed.
They were unable to determinewhat time she left or if she
left alone.
The footage was recorded overevery seven days.
With no leads from theinvestigators Chandra's mom
looked through her daughter'sphone bill to find answers.
(06:55):
The statement showed numerouscalls by Chandra to the same
cell phone number, which endedup being a US Congressman.
Oh yeah.
On May 7, Chandra's father toldthe police that his daughter had
been having an affair with a UScongressman.
Chandra's aunt also called thepolice and told them that
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Chandra had confined in herabout the affair.
Police obtained a warrant on May10 to conduct a former search of
Chandra's apartmentInvestigators found her credit
cards identification and mobilephone left behind in her purse,
along with a partially packedsuitcase.
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The answering machine was fullwith messages left by her
relatives, and two from thecongressman.
A police sergeant tried toexamine Chandra's laptop
computer and inadvertentlycorrupted the internet search
data as, he was not a trainedtechnician.
Computer experts took a month toreconstruct the data to
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determine that the laptop wasused on the morning of May 1st
to search for websites relatedto Amtrak, Baskin Robbins, the
Congressman, Southwest Airlines,and a weather report from the
Washington Post.
Her final search was at 12:59 PMwas for Alsace-Lorraine a region
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in France.
A particular search at 11:33 AMwas for information about the
Creek Park in the WashingtonPost Entertainment Guide.
Then at 11:34 AM she clicked alink to bring a app of the park.
There was no sign of Chandrawhen investigators searched the
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area.
In addition, detectives latertheorized, and I'm not even sure
if this is true, I.
That she might have met someoneat the Pierce Klingle Mansion,
which houses the parkheadquarters.
On July 25th, 2001, three DCpolice sergeants and 28 police
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cadets served along Glover Roadin the park, but failed to find
evidence of Chandra.
Later, a second attempt foundnothing.
Well, who was the congressmanthat Chandra Levy was having an
affair with?
It was Gary Condit, a marriedcongressman from California, and
28 years her senior.
Sophia (09:26):
I just knew he was gonna be married.
D (09:28):
Yes.
He represented the congressionaldistrict in which the Levy
family resided.
At first, he denied that he hadan affair with her, although
police stated that Condit wasnot a suspect.
Levy's family said they feltCondit was being evasive and
possibly hiding informationabout the matter.
Sophia (09:51):
So my question is, they didn't get to look at the video
footage at her apartment untilshe was missing for over seven
days.
D (10:00):
At the seventh day, I think they went yes.
Or she was missing the seventhday.
Sophia (10:06):
I just, I feel like they took a while to get to that, but
I don't know what the timelinelooked like.
D (10:11):
The police did one thing after the other that really
affected everything thathappened to Chandra.
And that was just one from thevery beginning.
Elena (10:22):
Yeah.
Seven days is long.
D (10:25):
Oh, they waited so many days before they even got a, search
warrant.
So how did they meet?
Condit had been introduced toChandra when her friend visited
his office for a tour of theCapitol.
While Condit and Chandra led alife of secrecy, Chandra's
parents believed she was happyand content in DC.
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Chandra told her aunt LindaZamsky over Thanksgiving that
she had a relationship with acongressman in his fifties who
looked like Harrison Ford.
That December Chandra alsomentioned the affair in an email
that she sent to a friend.
This is what she said to herfriend,"Everything else here in
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DC is going good.
My man will be coming back whenCongress starts up again, don't
tell.
And, she has a person who was afriend in Condit's office,) who
I'm seeing, since she thinks I'mdating an FBI agent.", she
wrote.
Sophia (11:28):
Wait, who thought she was dating an FBI agent?
D (11:30):
A friend of theirs who was working in Condit's Office.
Sophia (11:35):
Oh, so she didn't even know that she was dating Condit?
D (11:37):
No, they had it as a secret affair.
Sophia (11:41):
Okay.
Well, I'm just wondering becauseat this point, Chandra is not
necessarily saying who it is,but she is telling people, hey,
I'm dating this congressman.
D (11:50):
She did tell her aunt and her friend.
Right.
But she wasn't telling otherpeople.
Sophia (11:55):
Not only one person can keep a secret.
So the more people she'stelling, the more concerning it
could get for the secret beingreleased.
D (12:03):
All right.
Most likely in April, before shehad flown back, however, Chandra
called her Aunt Zamsky and lefta message saying that she had
something important to tell her.
Zamsky never learned what thatsomething was.
Just a few days later on May1st, 2001, Chandra disappeared
and was never seen again.
Sophia (12:24):
Wait, she said she had something to tell her aunt.
D (12:27):
Mm-hmm.
Sophia (12:28):
Ooh.
Maybe I'm just making a guess,but maybe it's a pregnancy.
D (12:31):
Maybe.
I'm not sure.
Sophia (12:34):
You also have to wonder if Condit is involved.
Why now?
Why would she go missing now?
D (12:40):
Zamsky never learned what that something was.
Just a few days later on May1st, 2001, Chandra disappeared,
was never seen again for a fewweeks, the case went unnoticed
by the broader public, but allthat changed when the media
caught wind of a possibleconnection between Chandra and
the high profile politicalfigure.
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Unidentified police sourcesalleged that Condit had admitted
to an affair with Chandra duringan interview with law
enforcement officers on July7th, 2001.
That's two months later.
Condit described her to thepolice as a vegetarian who
avoided drinking and smoking.
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He thought that Chandra wasgoing to return to Washington DC
after her graduation and wassurprised to find out that the
lease on her had ended.
Investigators searched Condit'sapartment on July 10th.
A twist to the story is that lawofficers also questioned flight
attendant Ann-Marie Smith.
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Who is Ann-Marie Smith, you mayask.
Smith was involved in an affairwith Condit also.
Smith claimed that Condit toldher she did not need to speak to
the Federal Bureau ofInvestigation about his personal
life.
Federal officers beganinvestigating Condit for
possible obstruction of justice.
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Smith was not acquainted withChandra.
Upset by leaks to media, Conditrefused to submit to a polygraph
test by DC Police.
His attorney asserted thatCondit passed the test
administered by a privatelyhired examiner on July 13th.
Intensive coverage until thenews of September 11th attacks
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superseded the media coverage ofChandra's case.
Condit's involvement in the casedrew intense media intention
with many speculating that hehad something to do with
Chandra's disappearance.
The political angle added alayer of intrigue to an already
tragic story.
In fact, reporters began campingout near Condit's house trying
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to get a glimpse of informationabout the case.
Chandra's parents and friendsheld numerous vigils and press
conference in an attempt tobring Chandra home.
In 2002, a major breakthroughoccurred of sorts a May 2nd,
2002, a man called 9 1 1 when hefound a skull in a remote area
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of Rock Creek Park near BroadBranch Creek.
Investigators were quick todetermine the skull belonged to
Chandra with dental records butcould not determine a cause of
death.
However, forensic evidence foundnear the skull, including a pair
of jogging pants with knotstight at the bottom of her
(15:39):
ankles did indicate foul play.
Elena (15:43):
Wait, so how long officially has she been missing
for?
D (15:46):
One year.
Elena (15:46):
Okay.
D (15:48):
Investigators believe the knotted pants could be evidence
that Chandra was restrainedbefore her death.
Detectives found bones andpersonal items scattered, but
not buried in a forested areaalong a steep incline.
A sports bra, sweatshirt,underwear, running shoes, and a
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Sony Walkman were among theevidence that was recovered.
A preliminary autopsy wasperformed.
District of Columbia Policeannounced that there was
sufficient evidence to open ahomicide investigation.
On May 28th, D.C.
Medical examiner officiallydeclared Chandra's death at
(16:30):
homicide, but he said,"There'sless to work with than I would
like.
It's possible we will never knowspecifically how she died." He
found damage to her hyoid bonesuggesting that she was possibly
strangled but he did not deem itto be conclusive evidence of
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such a cause of death.
On June 6th, after the policecompleted their search, private
investigators hired by theLevy's found her shin bone and
some twisted wire about 25yards, which is 23 meters, from
the other remains.
Police Charles H.
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Ramsey said"It's unacceptablethat these items were not
located." Although police hadpreviously searched over half
the 1,754 acre main section ofthe park, the wooded slope where
Chandra's remains wereeventually found, had not been
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searched.
Sophia (17:37):
Why?
D (17:37):
Well, let me get into it.
Due to the miscommunication, theMPD, of the District of Columbia
failed to follow its own searchparameters in the Rock Creek
Park, leaving Chandra's body todecompose for one year.
Police commanders ordered thesearch perimeters to be within
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100 yards, which is 91 meters,of each road and trail, but due
to a miscommunication, theofficers only searched within
100 yards of every road.
The remains were found aboutfour miles, six kilometers, from
Chandra's apartment.
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The MPD had been informed, butsoon dismissed the information
that Ingmar Guandique, a20-year-old undocumented
immigrant from El Salvadoralready arrested for attacking
women in Rock Creek Park.
Sophia (18:36):
Was he arrested before Chandra went missing?
D (18:40):
No, I don't think so.
Sophia (18:42):
Okay, so hypothetically he definitely could have been
involved in this potentially.
D (18:47):
Yes.
Hypothetically, that is correct.
Sophia (18:52):
Was his mo tying the runner's pants around their
ankles?
D (18:57):
I don't know.
They never mentioned that.
Guandique had denied attackingChandra.
The MPD instead put much of itsfocus on the revelation that
Chandra had been having anextramarital affair with
Congressman Gary Condit.
By then Condit's name had beencleared, though the public's
obsession with the case had onlygrown.
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Due to the cloud of suspicionraised by the intense media
focus on the missing intern andthe later revelation of the
affair.
Condit lost his bid forre-election in 2002.
On May 28th, 2002, the Levyfamily organized a memorial
service at the Modesto CentralPlaza that drew over 1,200
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people.
Speakers at the ceremonyincluded Chandra's brother,
grandmother, great aunt andfriends.
About a year later on May 27th,2003, Chandra's remains were
buried in Lakewood Memorial ParkCemetery at Houston, California,
near her hometown of Modesto.
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Now following a series ofinvestigated reports by the
Washington Post in 2008, the MPDfollowed up and finally obtained
a warrant on March 3rd, 2009, toarrest Ingmar Guandique.
Identified and dismissed by theMPD eight years earlier, on May
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1st, 2001, the day Chandra Levyvanished Guandique had
apparently missed a day of workat his construction job.
Furthermore, his former landladyrecalled that his face appeared
scratched and bruised at aroundthat time.
Sophia (20:40):
That doesn't look very good for him.
D (20:43):
True.
Sophia (20:44):
We know that Chandra was sleeping with Condit, but it
doesn't necessarily mean that'sthe reason she went missing and
was murdered.
D (20:54):
I'm just telling you the story at this point.
This is how it has progressed.
Sophia (20:58):
I know.
But I think it's natural forsomeone to be listening, such as
myself and to think, oh, well,how could Condit not have
something to do with this?
But stranger things havehappened.
D (21:12):
True.
He had been convicted ofassaulting two other women in
Rock Creek Park around the timeof Chandra's disappearance and
was still in prison on thoseconvictions, when the arrest
warrant on Chandra's death wasissued.
Prosecutors alleged thatGuandique had attacked and tied
up Chandra in a remote area ofthe park and left her to die of
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dehydration and exposure.
During the trial prosecutionwitness, Armando Morales who
shared a cell with Guandique atthe US Penitentiary in Kentucky
testified that Guandique wasconcerned about being
transferred between prisons in2006 because of inmate violence
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against suspected rapists.
Morales stated that Guandique, afellow member of the Mara
Salvatrucha gang, confined tohim that he had killed Chandra
while trying to rob her, butsaid that he did not rape her.
The prosecution rested theircase on November 10th while
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dropping two out of the sixcharges against Guandique:
sexual assault and murderassociated with that assult.
On November 15, the defenserested its case without calling
Guandique to the stand.
Other prison witnesses called bythe defense refuted Morale's
testimony.
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On November, 2010, Guandique wasconvicted of murdering Chandra.
He was sentenced in February,2011 to 60 years in prison.
Prosecutors on the case heavilyrelied upon statements from
Guandique, who's formercellmate, Armando Morales, but
it soon came to light thatMorales had been lying.
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A woman named Babs Proller,befriended Morales, who
eventually confined in her thathe had lied under oath.
Prowler gave this information toinvestigators and due to the
prosecutor's request, a judgedismissed charges against
Guandique.
In June of 2015, Guandique wasgranted a new trial.
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On July 8th, 2016, prosecutorsannounced that they would not
proceed with the case againstGuandique and would instead seek
to have him deported.
In March of 2017, Guandique losthis bid to remain in the United
States and was deported to hisnative country El Salvador on
May 5th, 2017.
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Some facts, in 2010 though, asmall amount of DNA was found on
Chandra's clothing.
It didn't match Guandique orCondit.
Sophia (23:58):
Ooh.
That's interesting.
But we are on her clothing.
D (24:02):
I have no idea.
Sophia (24:03):
That's so interesting.
D (24:04):
This is the first that I've heard of this actually, and I've
known this case.
And second is I wonder ifthey've done ancestory DNA on
that one.
Sophia (24:14):
Yes.
I ask where it is because whoknows how easy it would be for
somebody who's not involved fortheir DNA to transfer onto her
clothing.
I don't know.
D (24:24):
I don't know.
I do find interesting that theydid find DNA since her clothes
were out there over a year.
Now, maybe it was on her pantson the inside.
It had dried out, like the guyraped her if she was raped
Sophia (24:39):
Was she for sure raped.
D (24:40):
We don't know any of that.
But if they found semen on herclothing, and they have not
released that, then I would saythat's a pretty good indication
that it was this individual.
Elena (24:53):
Yeah, that's possible.
But didn't they say that it,they took a while before they
found the DNA?
D (25:00):
No, nothing of that sort.
Sophia (25:02):
If they had found semen.
Wouldn't they have tested thatDNA against both Condit and
Guandique?
And wouldn't that have beenshown at the trial to have been
like, Hey, there was semen hereand it's Guandique shut and
closed.
D (25:17):
Maybe back then they weren't able to test the DNA'cause it
was a small amount.
Now they can.
They can test a small amount andfigure out a lot more than they
could before.
Sophia (25:30):
Can I ask what does the family think?
Who do they think was involved?
D (25:35):
They have a lot of questions.
They don't think it's Guandiqueand they don't think it's Condit
now.
Sophia (25:42):
I would not be surprised if they were right.
D (25:45):
The Levy family was again left with questions regarding
their daughter's death.
I.
For instance, when exactly didshe leave her apartment?
Was she alone?
Had she planned to meet someoneat the park, or did she simply
plan to go on a solo run?
Was her killer someone she knew,or was she murdered by a
stranger?
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Chandra's murder remainsunsolved.
My closing thoughts, the ChandraLevy case left an indelible mark
on the American public'sconsciousness, and the emotional
scars remained.
It raised questions about mediasensationalism, the influence of
politics and criminalinvestigations, and the way
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missing person cases arehandled.
It also highlighted theheartbreaking reality of a young
woman with so much potentialwhose life was taken too soon
and whose family, who onlywanted answers, was left with
nothing but painful uncertaintyfor many years.
Though the case of Chandra Levyremains a topic of intrigue, it
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also a reminder of how deeplypersonal and heartbreaking the
search of truth can be.
For her family.
It's a reminder of a daughter, asister, and a person with so
much promise taken too soon.
Do you guys have any questions,thoughts?
Sophia (27:10):
Well, it's sad as in every case we discover, and
Chandra was so young, she had somuch more life yet to live.
She was just starting her lifein so many ways and she seemed
to be enjoying it.
She seemed to be enjoying herrelationships and her work that
she was doing.
So it's definitely a tragedythat she wasn't able to grow old
(27:35):
and experience life more andjust really get to have the
experience of living life andgoing through life.
So that's very sad.
And being in DC, living in aworld where there's a political
aspect to the city just makes ita little bit more airy and
mysterious, I think.
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Not that I think that Condit wasinvolved, there are so many
other unknowns being in a cityof DC.
I wonder who knows what elsecould have been going on.
Also makes you wonder, okay, ifit's not Condit or Guandique,
what other person waspotentially attacking woman or
decided to attack Chandra inRock Creek Park?
Elena (28:20):
Yeah, that's what I was wondering too.
There are two possible suspectsthat seem like they could both
have a motive or have hadsomething to do with it.
And yet both of them did notturn out to be part of it.
So it's very confusing andfrustrating'cause you had two
viable options and now thatthey've been cleared, you're
(28:42):
left with nothing.
It's like, where do you go fromhere?
D (28:45):
The way I see it is Condit was easy, because he was having
an affair with her and he was apolitical figure.
However, he really didn't haveanything to do with it.
He was just having an affair,and it just became a big thing.
It's their private life as faras I'm concerned.
However, with Guandique, hisfirst cases were on the women he
(29:06):
attacked.
He had not killed anyone.
Sophia (29:09):
That's a good point.
Elena (29:10):
True.
D (29:12):
And they were found obviously, because they were
able to identify him.
However, Chandra, probably waskilled.
She was attacked, tied up andkilled.
So I think it may have beensomeone who, took it as an
opportunity.
It just happened.
It wasn't someone who was doingthis a lot, because the police
never say that this washappening a lot except for
(29:35):
Guandique doing it.
So if he didn't do it, was theresomeone else doing it too?
They never say anything.
Didn't anyone not know?
They don't talk about it.
Sophia (29:45):
It could have definitely been opportunistic, that's for
sure.
And being in DC it's almost likea house of cards in some ways.
And I'm wondering also, what didChandra want to share with her
aunt that she didn't before?
I think it was her aunt.
Right?
That she had something to sharewith.
Correct.
What also makes you wonder, isthat somehow related at all in
(30:08):
what caused your death or is itnot related?
D (30:12):
It may not be related with her death at all.
Sophia (30:16):
It may not, and I will say there has been no motive
brought up as to why Conditwould've been involved.
So they never said, oh, well,she was pregnant or whatever.
There was never really anymotive given as to why kind of
would want her dead, which makesit, in my opinion, less likely
that he would have a reason toget rid of her.
(30:39):
Especially'cause he was havingother affairs.
None of these women, as far as Iknow, have ended up dead.
I just don't see a motive forwhy he would want to kill
Chandra.
D (30:50):
I don't think he wanted Chandra killed.
I just think it happened thatshe was killed and he was having
an affair with her, and thepolice went down that rabbit
hole because yeah, it was bignews sensational, and they were
just like, wow, this iswonderful.
They had a lot of media and allthat.
To me, whoever did it eitherknew her or didn't.
(31:12):
It doesn't matter.
They have DNA.
I hope they are able to dogenealogy DNA.
and find out if they can.
I don't know.
It's a small amount, butnowadays they can replicate even
small amount to get more.
It just depends how many markersthey have on this DNA.
Sophia (31:27):
Well, it also makes you wonder, what if it matched?
D (31:30):
It didn't match Guandique.
It didn't match Condit.
So they really need to go backand look at it.
I bet you they also did somesearches in databases.
So I think at this point, theirbest bet is to do an ancestory
DNA
Elena (31:46):
if there's enough of it.
'cause I know in order to dothat, you need enough DNA.
D (31:52):
That is true.
The other thing is if they canreplicate it,'cause now they can
replicate DNA.
This is the first I ever heardthat they had DNA.
It's interesting to know wherethey found it, because they
obviously did it to see whetheror not it was Condit's and
Guandique's.
I'm assuming that maybe it waslike something they found like
(32:13):
semen, DNA They're just notsaying.
Sophia (32:16):
It's exposed to the elements.
Rain, snow.
How would that DNA even still bethere?
Is semen lasts a while?
Is that what it is?
D (32:24):
It could dry if it was semen and I don't know if it is.
That's exactly what I wasthinking.
The weather could have reallydamaged it.
DC gets cold, there's snow,rain, whatever.
But if it was maybe semen and itdried, and then it was tucked
away in her pants somehow andprotected from the element.
(32:44):
It could be if it was on herundie and her undie was in the
pants, and it was somehow tuckedin.
It could protect it.
I don't know.
I just find it very interesting.
Sophia (32:54):
We also don't know what they know and don't know.
D (32:57):
They did not handle the case very well in the past.
I'm hoping maybe they do somegenealogy DNA and just figure it
out.
Elena (33:05):
I do know that from what I remember from previous cases
is you can have enough DNA tocompare it to a suspect, but not
enough for a genealogy test.
Because I think they need like37 markers of DNA or something
like that.
And if you wanna do even furthergenealogy tests, you can have 67
(33:29):
or 111 markers.
So I think, if it's not enoughDNA or for some reason there's
something wrong with it, theymay only be able to test it
against subjects and notgenealogy.
D (33:42):
Yes, unless they can replicate it.
I mean there are ways you couldtake some part of DNA replicate
it.
I just don't how many markersthey have.
That is true.
Elena (33:50):
And also if they don't have the funding for it,'cause I
think it's expensive.
D (33:53):
It is.
They were supposed to get helpfrom the FBI.
Just don't know nowadays.
Elena (33:58):
Yeah.
D (33:59):
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