November 28, 2024 • 32 mins
On Thanksgiving Day, 1991, what was supposed to be a day filled with family and yummy food, instead turned into a nightmare when Omaima Nelson brutally murdered her husband, Bill Nelson. She dismembered his body and attempted to dispose of the remains in horrifying ways. Tune in to hear the full, unnerving details of what Omaima Nelson did on that fateful Thanksgiving day.
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Spend some time with your lovedones, whether that be family or
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and have some good food.
Maybe that will be turkey forsome, or not turkey if you
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But regardless, because it'sThanksgiving, I have a
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Okay, so mom, are you at allfamiliar with Omaima Aree
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Nelson?
And I say mom because I thinkthis is more your era, but
Elena, if you know this story,please let us know too.
D (02:18):
Not that I'm aware of.
Sophia (02:19):
Omaima Nelson doesn't ring any bells for you?
D (02:21):
No.
Elena (02:22):
No, not for me either.
Sophia (02:24):
Okay, I wouldn't be surprised if either of you have
heard of this once I get intoit, but in 1968, Omaima was born
and raised in Egypt, and she wasone of 16 children.
Now, she underwent a traumaticoperation at the age of 6, the
most Egyptian woman back thenexperienced.
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And that is, she underwentcustomary female circumcision at
her father's demand.
And when I say customary femalecircumcision, what that means is
that according to the geographythat a female is part of or an
ethnic group.
People will say it's forreligious reasons, but if you
look at other areas where thesame religion is practiced, like
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other countries, or if you lookat other ethnic groups who
practice that religion, theydon't participate in female
circumcision, and that is whyit's considered customary.
For reference, from 2004, to2015, 87 percent of Egyptian
girls and women age 15 to 49years had undergone female
circumcision.
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Then in 1986, Omaima marriedRoger Stainbrook, who was an
American citizen.
And then she immigrated to theUnited States, but pretty soon
after she divorced Roger.
So she would have been about 18years old at this time.
Elena (03:43):
Wow, that is really young to be going through a divorce.
Sophia (03:46):
Yes! You could say that.
I say that because it'sreflective of Omaima's love life
in general.
Omaima lived in SouthernCalifornia and worked as a nanny
and she also got a modeling jobat the South Coast Plaza in
Costa Mesa.
Elena (04:04):
Interesting.
Sophia (04:05):
During this time, Omaima would have multiple
relationships with men and wouldvisit bars to find older men who
wanted to have sex.
Somehow I don't think that washard for her to achieve, because
by the way, Omaima is aconventionally attractive woman
in that she has naturally veryhigh cheekbones.
In 1989, three years after shemoved to SoCal, Southern
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California, she received adriver's license, but
unfortunately she received 12traffic violations.
Wow.
One of them was that she stole acar, her boyfriend at the time
was leasing, whose name was JackHouston.
She then was caught shoplifting,and when she was caught, she bit
the breast of a female securityguard, so she was charged with
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battery.
Elena (04:50):
That's aggressive.
Sophia (04:51):
She's definitely a force to be reckoned with.
Omaima then found herself inmore trouble in November of 1990
when she was accused ofattempted robbery by a 61 year
old Robert Hanson.
Omaima had supposedly pointed agun at him while he was tied up
during consensual bondage, butultimately she was in charge for
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the crime.
In another relationship withRichard Gray, Richard accused
Omaima of putting a knife to histhroat, but Omaima claimed it
was just part of a sex game.
Finally, in October of 1991,Omaima was 23 and she met 56
year old William Edwin Nelson,who also went by Bill.
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They met at a Huntington Beachbar, where they were playing
pool.
When they met, Bill hadpreviously been a pilot, but was
convicted of smugglingmarijuana, so he was sentenced
to four years in federal prison.
By the time he met Omaima, hehad done his time and been
released.
After knowing each other for afew days, Bill and Omaima got
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married.
Elena (05:57):
A few days.
Sophia (05:58):
Yes, a few days.
D (05:59):
You make it sound like she enjoys having relationships with
men, but she has beencircumcised, and most women
who've been circumcised struggleto enjoy that relationship.
Sophia (06:15):
That's a good point.
I'm just giving you the facts.
So there's definitely somedebate as to whether she enjoys
the sexual aspect of it or not.
I don't know the extent of herfemale circumcision, but I
definitely know getting a femalecircumcision can have anywhere
from a mild to drastic effect onsexual pleasure.
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I don't know for Omaima how muchit was.
But a lot of people think thatshe was still able to enjoy it,
because she was out there havingsex with all these men.
I don't know if that's true justbecause she's out there having
sex with these men, I thinkthere could definitely be other
reasons for that than sexualenjoyment.
Elena (06:53):
True.
D (06:54):
I was concerned as to why she's having so many sexual
relationships, because whenwomen have female circumcision,
most of the times it is painfulto have this sexual
relationship.
So I was wondering if she'strying to make it up for
something or is she reallyenjoying it?
Sophia (07:13):
That's a good point because at some point Omaima
claims that sex for her ispainful and people don't believe
it.
Personally, I think I would notbe surprised if she was in pain
having sex.
And I have my own opinions onall of this, which I'll get into
more because I don't want tospoil the details.
But my own personal opinion isthat I don't think she enjoys
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sex.
like somebody who has not beencircumcised.
I think she's having sexualrelationships with all these
older men for differentpurposes, and I do think it's
probably to fill some sort ofneed that probably, in my
opinion, stems from her femalecircumcision and what was done
to her at the hands of herfather.
But I do want to say there'sbeen Egyptian women who've been
taken to get circumcised bytheir mothers too.
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So it's very cultural.
D (08:01):
No, that I understand.
I'm just saying that interestingshe's doing that even though she
has freedom because I am awareit can be painful.
Sophia (08:09):
Now, you can probably tell that Omaima had a hard time
staying away from trouble, andspoiler alert, things are not
going to turn out well withOmaima and Bill.
After they were quickly married,Omaima and Bill went on their
honeymoon in Texas and Arkansasto visit some of Bill's family.
The end of any potential withthese two.
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Because on this exact day,November 28th, 1991,
Thanksgiving Day, Omaima wouldend up hitting Bill with a lamp
and stabbing him with scissorsuntil he died.
She then proceeded to cut Billinto pieces, boil his head, and
cook his hands in oil.
Elena (08:48):
Oh, wow.
D (08:50):
Hold on.
She cut him into pieces with thescissors?
Sophia (08:53):
I don't think it was with scissors.
D (08:54):
Oh, because there's no other mention of another.
Sophia (08:57):
Yeah.
I don't know what she cut himinto pieces with, but she
stabbed him with the scissors.
D (09:01):
Oh, okay.
Elena (09:02):
This was not the, the turn that I thought we were
heading towards.
Sophia (09:06):
I know it's definitely a twist, but I feel with Omaima it
was building up like with whatshe was doing with all these
men, like something's going on.
Elena (09:13):
I honestly thought you were gonna say she was gonna get
killed.
So that's what I thought.
Sophia (09:18):
We were getting honestly though, like dating an older man
and.
like her troubled history, Iwould not have been surprised,
if you thought that.
Yeah.
Omaima then castrated Bill.
She boiled his hands to removehis fingerprints.
She also took his body parts andmixed them up with leftover
turkey and shoved other partsdown the disposal.
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Any extra body parts she wrappedwith newspapers and put them in
a trash bag.
Then she would later tell herpsychiatrist that she put
barbecue sauce in Bill's ribsand ate them.
Elena (09:49):
Eww.
Sophia (09:49):
A claim she would later retract.
Elena (09:52):
I wonder why she would want to retract that.
Sophia (09:55):
Yeah, I don't know if she ate them or not, but I would
not be surprised.
I don't know what Omaima endedup eating for Thanksgiving, but
I don't think it was onlyturkey.
She may have had turkey, but Ithink she also may have eaten
something else potentially.
What are we thinking guys, sofar?
Elena (10:09):
Really?
You think she might've eatensomething else?
I wonder what?
Sophia (10:14):
I think it's likely.
Elena (10:16):
Yeah.
I'm kind of at a loss of words.
It was not expecting.
Sophia (10:20):
It's a lot to take in.
Elena (10:21):
She just chopped him up and cooked him.
Wow.
Did she like give him out toanyone to also eat or did she
just like cook him in the foodand then just put it in the
fridge.
Sophia (10:34):
She did not give him out to other people to eat.
She, put him down the garbagedisposal.
I think she put him in a cooler.
She put his body parts into,actually I may have already said
this, put them into aluminumfoil and wrapped them up.
So she did different things withthe body parts.
Elena (10:54):
If she wasn't going to eat them, then why was she
cooking it within the food?
Just for like, forensic reasons?
Sophia (11:00):
I don't know; I just think she's sick.
There is something wrong withher.
Elena (11:04):
I think she might have ate it and she just doesn't
wanna.
Sophia (11:06):
Yeah, but she was doing more than just eating it.
If she ate it, she didn't justeat it, she was also trying to
get rid of the body too, whichI'm gonna do.
So I just think she's sick.
Elena (11:15):
Yeah.
D (11:16):
Something wrong up there.
Sophia (11:17):
Yeah.
Omaima claimed that Bill hadbeen sexually assaulting her,
and that he had tied her up totheir bed during bondage play,
but that she was able to breakfree and attack him in self
defense.
Either of you believe sheattacked him in self defense?
D (11:31):
If she was circumcised as a young girl, which is accurate,
and she has been going throughpain, I think there could be
some emotional part of her, andit could be that, he wanted.
to have the sexual relationshipwith her and maybe she was in
pain and didn't want to, so Ican see that.
Sophia (11:54):
What do you think about the fact that she's had other
men tied up in bondage play andhas threatened them with a gun
during this, or a knife?
D (12:02):
Then she's an unstable individual, both can be true.
I don't know, but I'm justgetting the facts from the story
here.
I can't put the puzzle togetherbecause I don't know the pieces,
but it just seems a little weirdthough.
Elena (12:15):
Yeah.
Agreed.
Sophia (12:17):
Yeah.
So I'll get into it and then wecan discuss further.
It's unfortunate that we don'thave Bill's side of the story,
but if you look at Omaima'shistory, she's had a lot of
previous instances of attackingpeople, including older men.
Her story of self defense can bea little harder to believe given
her history.
Bill died because of his stabwounds from the scissors.
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Something I do want to say is weknow Omaima put parts of his
body in the garbage disposal andneighbors heard their garbage
disposal being turned on forhours.
D (12:51):
Ooh.
Ooh.
I'm sorry.
Ooh.
Sophia (12:56):
Ew.
That's a bad picture, isn't it?
D (12:58):
It's terrible to imagine.
Elena (13:00):
Yeah.
Sophia (13:01):
But at that point though, when do you suspect that
something foul is going on?
Elena (13:05):
hearing the garbage disposal is not enough to call
the police.
D (13:09):
You're probably wondering what they're doing.
Elena (13:11):
They could just have cooked a big meal.
I mean, she did, technically,
Sophia (13:14):
For hours?
You're not even supposed to useyour garbage disposal for it too
much.
D (13:20):
Did she actually put bones down there?
Because it's not even meant forthat.
Sophia (13:24):
I think she did.
D (13:25):
Oh my god.
Elena (13:26):
I'm shocked it didn't break before that.
Sophia (13:28):
I know.
D (13:28):
Yes, yes.
Sophia (13:29):
Bill was over a few hundred pounds, and they didn't
even find all his body.
So the garbage disposal couldexplain why they didn't find so
much.
Omama claims that she castratedBill because of his alleged
sexual assaults, and herpsychiatrist said that she
dismembered Bill for 12 hoursstraight in what was like a
trance like state due to apsychotic episode she was
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having.
D (13:52):
Okay, so she does have mental issues.
This is obvious.
Sophia (13:54):
I think it's pretty clear whether you think she did
it in self defense or not, thereis something.
Elena (13:59):
She was going through a psychotic break which the
psychiatrist said so I guessthat would explain.
Sophia (14:04):
If that's even true?
It could be, but even if sheisn't there's definitely
something wrong with her.
Elena (14:09):
Didn't she get diagnosed right after she was.
Sophia (14:11):
Well, that's her psychiatrist.
It was part of the evidence tohelp her in her trial.
Elena (14:16):
Okay.
Sophia (14:18):
After Omaima was finished with Bill's body, she,
thankfully, did some really dumbthings, which is she tried to
get acquaintances and formerboyfriends to help her get rid
of Bill's body.
I don't know how she thought shewas going to convince someone to
help her, especially her oldboyfriends since she attacked
them.
Elena (14:35):
Yeah, that's an interesting way to go.
Sophia (14:37):
Yeah, she thought she could.
On December 1st, she ended upasking Richard Gray, who was her
ex-boyfriend, that she put aknife to his throat.
Well, she asked him if he wouldhelp her get rid of Bill's body
for$75,000.
He told her no, and then hecalled the police, and then he
realized he was lucky he escapedwhile he did.
Elena (14:58):
So she's not even hiding it at this point, which is
crazy.
she's like hiding it, but she'sopenly communicating with people
on the phone.
Sophia (15:07):
We've already said there's something wrong with
her, but there's something veryseriously wrong with her.
Like some sort of disconnectfrom reality because she's
reaching out to people thinkingthat they're going to help her.
And, these are people who, in myopinion, are unlikely to help
her.
So I think she's just not verybalanced enough to understand
society, social connections.
Elena (15:29):
Yeah, that's basically what like a psychotic break is.
Sophia (15:33):
Yeah, maybe she did have one.
Elena (15:35):
I wouldn't be surprised if like that part at least of it
was true.
Cause it does seem like there isa disconnect here.
Sophia (15:43):
Yeah.
D (15:44):
I do think she had a psychotic break.
Sophia (15:47):
Now the more you guys talk about it, the more I think
you're probably right.
There's something that couldexplain her disconnection.
I sometimes wonder if she ispermanently, like, disconnected
throughout most of her life andnot just during this one
instance.
D (16:00):
It does sound like something was going on early on also.
Sophia (16:04):
Yeah, especially with the other dudes.
She was dating.
D (16:06):
Correct.
So it sounded like she was goingdown a certain path.
It wasn't healthy.
Actually.
Sophia (16:11):
It was gonna blow up It was just getting worse and worse
So Richard Gray caught thepolice and they immediately went
to Omaima and Bill's apartmentThey found most of the furniture
to be stained with blood andhuman flesh was all over the
apartment either in tinfoil orplastic bags or cardboard boxes
Police also found a garbage bagof his remains in the car.
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During their search, policenoticed a large soup pot, which
Omaima had used to cook some ofBill's body parts.
Elena (16:43):
Ew.
Sophia (16:44):
And they also discovered Bill's head in a cooler.
D (16:49):
Oh, okay.
Sophia (16:50):
Yeah, it's starting to remind me of the Australian case
with, I think her name was KathyBates.
Elena (16:56):
Oh, I know that case.
Sophia (16:57):
Where she cooked her ex-boyfriend.
Elena (17:00):
Boyfriend or ex-boyfriend, something like
that.
Sophia (17:02):
There was a glass jar that had some sort of body
parts, and Bill's hands were ina deep fat fryer.
Elena (17:09):
She was frying his hands?
Sophia (17:11):
Mm hmm.
Elena (17:13):
That's gross.
But just this is weird.
Sophia (17:15):
It's honestly so disgusting that I can't even
imagine walking in there as apolice officer.
It's like you're walking intohell.
Now Bill was 6 feet 4 inches andweighed 230 pounds, but police
only ended up finding about 150pounds of him.
They never discovered hisremaining 80 pounds, including
his genitals.
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And who knows if, this was dueto the garbage disposal or maybe
she dumped his body partssomewhere else, I don't know,
but Don't think she could haveeaten 80 pounds of him that
quickly.
Elena (17:46):
That's a lot.
If it was on for hours, then agood portion of him probably
went down the garbage drain.
Did she just expect that shecould put a whole body down the
garbage drain?
Sophia (17:57):
She may have in that state.
D (17:59):
It does sound like maybe she wasn't all there.
If she thought she could get ridof all of that.
Elena (18:04):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Sophia (18:05):
I realize this episode is probably going to make all
our viewers not want to eat onThanksgiving.
Sorry to have done that to youguys.
Elena (18:13):
Enjoy the feast!
Sophia (18:15):
Then, on December 2nd, so one day after Omaima told
Richard what she had done, shevisited 27 year old Jose
Esquivel, who was anacquaintance.
She said to him that Bill hadsexually assaulted her and
showed him cuts on her chest,thighs, and feet and also showed
him ligature markings on herwrists too.
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She also asked him if he couldhelp her get rid of Bill's body
for$75,000 and he said yes, butwhen he went to his truck, He
called the police.
So it was just him trying to getout of the situation.
Yeah.
When police interrogated her,she first said that Bill and her
had not fought that night, butthat instead two women and three
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guys entered the apartment thesame night drugged her, murdered
Bill, and attempted to frame herby planting his dismembered
remains when she let a neighborborrow Bill's car the next day.
Elena (19:12):
Right.
Sophia (19:13):
Omaima was then arrested on the suspicion of murder
charge on December 2nd, 1991,and her trial began in Santa Ana
almost exactly one year later onDecember 1st, 1992.
During that trial, her attorney,Thomas Mooney, claimed self
defense and said that becauseshe had undergone female genital
mutilations as a child, sex wastraumatic and painful for her,
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and that this was only increasedby the assaults she allegedly
sustained during her marriage toBill.
He also claimed that Omaima hadexperienced child abuse in Egypt
and suffered from battered womansyndrome.
Unsurprisingly, Omaima accusedBill of domestic violence and
sexual abuse during her threeweeks of marriage and said she
had lived in constant fearbecause Bill threatened her with
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death or that he would falselyreport her to immigration as an
illegal alien.
This statement from Omaima waschallenged by the prosecution,
though, which had her ex-husbandtestify that Omaima never made
mention of discomfort during sexand that did not help her
defense.
But unfortunately, I don't thinkeveryone always tells their
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sexual partner if they areexperiencing pain.
And I'm not saying this wasOmaima's case either.
I'm just saying that, we can'tsay that she wasn't having it
just because she may not haveever expressed it.
Elena (20:30):
That's very true.
D (20:31):
And it sounds like she may have been abused or something as
a child and learned not to talkabout it.
Elena (20:38):
She seemed like she had learned to keep her issues to
herself.
And any problem.
Sophia (20:42):
I wonder if it was just bubbling up
D (20:44):
Yes.
And she took it out on him.
Sophia (20:47):
Kathy Nelson, Bill's ex-wife, also took the stand and
said that.
Bill had not been violent duringtheir marriage.
A medical examination was donein December of 1991 and showed
no signs of physical sexualtrauma on Omaima while the
pathology report of Bill Nelsonrevealed that he had ligature
markings on his wrists, whichmeant that he was tied up right
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before he died.
So it's looking like she had himtied up and then stabbed him.
And that makes sense as to howshe was able to stab him with
scissors, because if he's tied,he has no defense.
And he's a big guy too.
He's six foot four, I believe.
If he wasn't tied up, I thinkit'd be harder for her to
overtake him and kill him.
D (21:29):
He is older though, also.
Sophia (21:31):
That's true.
He's 56 and his pictures, helooks a little older, but I
think it was just how he dressedprobably.
Okay.
Prosecutors claimed that Omaimahad used her beauty to get older
men to lavish her with money,pay her rent, and buy her cars.
And I also just wanna say thearea that she is in for that,
not just Southern California,but Orange County specifically
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in especially Newport Beach.
Girl, she was in the perfectarea for that.
If that was her mission.
She was finding a lot of theseguys in like Newport Beach,
Huntington Beach It's definitelyperfect for that.
Bill Nelson's attorney, JohnFitzgibbon Sr., said that he had
met Omaima in Laredo, Texas whenBill and her were on their
honeymoon.
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Bill and Omaima told John thatthey had gone and married in an
Egyptian ceremony in either LasVegas or Phoenix on November
1st, but neither city hadrecords of their marriage.
Acquaintances and coworkers ofBill Nelson described Bill and
Omaima as affectionate, but somedid have suspicions that Omaima
had married Bill for his money.
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An attorney representing BillNelson's ex-wife, Kathy Nelson,
said that their own divorceproceedings between her and Bill
had not yet been complete at thetime.
And she, along with theprosecution during Omama's
trial, called the validity oftheir marriage claim into
question.
Which if Bill was still legallymarried to Kathy, I wouldn't be
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surprised if he had done anEgyptian marriage ceremony with
Omaima because it wasn't legallybinding.
So if he did want to marryOmaima, the Egyptian ceremony
would have been a way to do thatsince he couldn't have done it
legally since he was stillmarried to Kathy.
Or maybe for him, he didn't carethat they got married so soon
because it wasn't even legallyofficial yet.
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It was a ceremony, but it wasn'tlegal.
So maybe he was just having fun,he's in the middle of a divorce.
So he's a single man.
He's got a young, attractivewoman who is into him.
He may have been just taking iteasy for all we know.
D (23:28):
Now, they got married in Egypt or just had an Egyptian
ceremony?
Sophia (23:33):
They just had an Egyptian ceremony.
In the U.
S.?
Yes.
Okay.
D (23:37):
So if they never did what they have to do, it could not
stand.
Yes.
Elena (23:42):
Is she using his money for lawyers?
Sophia (23:45):
I don't know.
I'm not actually sure what moneyshe's using to pay for the
lawyers.
Elena (23:50):
Because then you could argue it's not his.
Sophia (23:52):
How could she use his money though if she wasn't
married to him?
Elena (23:54):
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I was wondering.
If she tried to and then theyargued, you're not technically
his wife.
Sophia (24:01):
That could be.
I'm not sure.
After the jury deliberated forsix days, Omaima was convicted
of second degree murder onJanuary 12th, 1993.
She was sentenced to 27 years tolife in prison and
unsuccessfully appealed theverdict in 1995.
From 1992 to at least 2011,Omaima was in prison at the
Central California Women'sFacility, but was then
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transferred to the CaliforniaInstitution for Women.
Throughout her time in prison,Omaima has had multiple long
distance relationships.
In 2006, Omaima claimed to havebecome a born again Christian.
Around the same time, she gainedthe rights to conjugal visits
with one of her suitors, a manin his 70s who ended up dying in
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2011.
Just like with Bill, she claimedthat they had become married,
but prison officials deny this.
She also attempted to petitionfor habeas corpus twice, in 2002
and 2019, but was denied eachtime by the circuit court.
Habeas corpus is basically whensomeone claims they've been
unlawfully imprisoned and asksfor a review to determine if
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they've been unlawfullyimprisoned.
In prison, Omaima has received anumber of disciplinary
infractions, including fighting,battering a staff member,
possession of contraband, theft,arguing, failing to comply with
instructions, and not being incompliance with grooming
standards.
So it's safe to say Omaima seemsto struggle to behave no matter
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where she is.
Omaima first became eligible forparole in 2006, but was denied
when commissioners found herunpredictable and a serious
threat to public safety.
She became eligible again in2011, but was denied by the
parole board again, citing thatshe had not taken responsibility
for the murder and would not bea productive citizen if she were
freed.
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She would not be able to try forparole again until 2026.
And that is the case of OmaimaAree Nelson.
What are your thoughts?
D (25:58):
I definitely think that there's something unbalanced
with her because it just seemsshe goes in jail and she's still
trying to get older men to comeand visit her.
So there's something wrong withher mentally and I'm glad they
don't let her out because shedoes sound like she is dangerous
to society.
Elena (26:18):
I definitely am really like shocked, not shocked by
like this case, because we,there are cases of men and women
doing crazy things, but I justdid not expect this case, to go
in that direction.
But I do think that there aremost likely some sort of mental
issues that she seems to bedealing with and is still
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affecting her.
There's a sense of overkill.
But I do think she still needsto be in prison.
She still hasn't been reformedyet.
They're taking it seriously, andthat's good.
Sophia (26:53):
I agree with you both.
I'm glad she's still in prison,because I do think she's a
danger to the public.
So I appreciate them thinkingabout that and trying to keep us
safe.
Elena (27:03):
It does seem like she was still up to her old tricks with,
even now, with the other olderguy.
Sophia (27:09):
And the fact that she claimed they were married and
they weren't says a lot, too.
Elena (27:12):
I wonder if they have her seeking any mental help while in
there.
D (27:16):
I would hope so.
Elena (27:18):
Yeah.
D (27:19):
Because they do, but I'm not sure.
Elena (27:21):
You never know.
Sophia (27:23):
Why do you think she murdered him?
Elena (27:25):
I think it was all building up, and I think
something happened that night,and she snapped.
Then she had some sort of,possibly a psychotic break, and
then afterwards she just had totry and clean it up.
And maybe she still wasn't inthe right space and thought she
could, put his whole body down agarbage disposal and had to
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improvise, and then got caught.
D (27:48):
I do think the same thing like she had some mental break
and at some point was still init and at some point she came
out.
But there is something wrong andsomething did trigger it.
And I don't know.
I think it probably has to dowith her childhood and whatever
else is wrong.
Sophia (28:05):
I agree with you both.
I don't think it's for money atall because she wasn't even
legally married to him and itwould have benefited her more
financially if he was stillalive.
Elena (28:15):
True.
Sophia (28:16):
It seems like she came close to doing this potentially
with some of the other men butthen didn't and granted she
wasn't married to them so if shehad killed them she wouldn't
have gotten any money from theirdeaths.
Not that she did with Billbecause she wasn't legally
married.
They were just claiming thatthey were.
So I don't even know if shethought she would profit or
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benefit from his death.
Again, she's so unbalanced thatmaybe in her mind she thought
she was gonna profit from it.
But, because she's so detachedfrom reality, I don't think she
thinks of the consequences ofher actions.
She was committing all of thesecrimes, except for the murder,
before she was with Bill.
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And I wondered if she justmurdered Bill and did not plan
it, because her idea to get herexes to help her cover up her
murder is such a bad plan.
Yeah.
She sounds very impulsive, andhonestly, I wonder, if her
circumcision has something to dowith what she's doing to these
men.
D (29:15):
I think if you take her situation, I would say
circumcision is just one part.
And if any of that occurred toher where she was abused as a
child, that creates a lot oftrauma and a buildup.
Sophia (29:30):
It's interesting that you mentioned that But now, it's
like she reversed it,potentially.
If this happened to her, right,she is now in the control seat
and has the power because she'stied up all these men with
bondage and she's the one who'sthreatening them with a knife or
a gun.
And then she even castratedBill.
D (29:50):
So all that sounds like from trauma of childhood.
Especially tying up the men andthen trying to take power
because she never had the powerof her childhood.
So, I am not surprised.
I'm not saying she should getout or I'm just saying she does
have issues.
Sophia (30:08):
Even if this was caused by something in her childhood, I
hate to say this, but she'sprobably beyond repair.
And I think she's way toodangerous to release because she
could do this again too.
D (30:18):
She needs a lot of therapy and I'm not sure she is at any
mind process or thought to beable to even do it.
Sophia (30:28):
If they're giving her any help, and I don't know what
they are.
D (30:31):
Other than medication, she also needs one on one therapy or
therapy of whatever they do.
I'm not sure they offer that.
Sophia (30:38):
It's devastating especially when you see what she
turned out like.
D (30:42):
Yes.
Elena (30:43):
I'm not gonna comment on I guess things that may or may
not have happened in her lifesince we don't know.
But clearly, I feel likesomething happened most likely
in her past.
And that could have been thecircumcision.
It could have been other thingsas well.
But I think something definitelyhappened that kind of affected
her mentally that led her downthis path and led her this way.
Sophia (31:08):
We know she was circumcised.
We don't know what othertraumatic instances that could
have happened in her childhoodthat could have influenced all
of these situations.
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Okay, so mom, are you at allfamiliar with Omaima Aree
(02:10):
Nelson?
And I say mom because I thinkthis is more your era, but
Elena, if you know this story,please let us know too.
D (02:18):
Not that I'm aware of.
Sophia (02:19):
Omaima Nelson doesn't ring any bells for you?
D (02:21):
No.
Elena (02:22):
No, not for me either.
Sophia (02:24):
Okay, I wouldn't be surprised if either of you have
heard of this once I get intoit, but in 1968, Omaima was born
and raised in Egypt, and she wasone of 16 children.
Now, she underwent a traumaticoperation at the age of 6, the
most Egyptian woman back thenexperienced.
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And that is, she underwentcustomary female circumcision at
her father's demand.
And when I say customary femalecircumcision, what that means is
that according to the geographythat a female is part of or an
ethnic group.
People will say it's forreligious reasons, but if you
look at other areas where thesame religion is practiced, like
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other countries, or if you lookat other ethnic groups who
practice that religion, theydon't participate in female
circumcision, and that is whyit's considered customary.
For reference, from 2004, to2015, 87 percent of Egyptian
girls and women age 15 to 49years had undergone female
circumcision.
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Then in 1986, Omaima marriedRoger Stainbrook, who was an
American citizen.
And then she immigrated to theUnited States, but pretty soon
after she divorced Roger.
So she would have been about 18years old at this time.
Elena (03:43):
Wow, that is really young to be going through a divorce.
Sophia (03:46):
Yes! You could say that.
I say that because it'sreflective of Omaima's love life
in general.
Omaima lived in SouthernCalifornia and worked as a nanny
and she also got a modeling jobat the South Coast Plaza in
Costa Mesa.
Elena (04:04):
Interesting.
Sophia (04:05):
During this time, Omaima would have multiple
relationships with men and wouldvisit bars to find older men who
wanted to have sex.
Somehow I don't think that washard for her to achieve, because
by the way, Omaima is aconventionally attractive woman
in that she has naturally veryhigh cheekbones.
In 1989, three years after shemoved to SoCal, Southern
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California, she received adriver's license, but
unfortunately she received 12traffic violations.
Wow.
One of them was that she stole acar, her boyfriend at the time
was leasing, whose name was JackHouston.
She then was caught shoplifting,and when she was caught, she bit
the breast of a female securityguard, so she was charged with
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battery.
Elena (04:50):
That's aggressive.
Sophia (04:51):
She's definitely a force to be reckoned with.
Omaima then found herself inmore trouble in November of 1990
when she was accused ofattempted robbery by a 61 year
old Robert Hanson.
Omaima had supposedly pointed agun at him while he was tied up
during consensual bondage, butultimately she was in charge for
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the crime.
In another relationship withRichard Gray, Richard accused
Omaima of putting a knife to histhroat, but Omaima claimed it
was just part of a sex game.
Finally, in October of 1991,Omaima was 23 and she met 56
year old William Edwin Nelson,who also went by Bill.
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They met at a Huntington Beachbar, where they were playing
pool.
When they met, Bill hadpreviously been a pilot, but was
convicted of smugglingmarijuana, so he was sentenced
to four years in federal prison.
By the time he met Omaima, hehad done his time and been
released.
After knowing each other for afew days, Bill and Omaima got
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married.
Elena (05:57):
A few days.
Sophia (05:58):
Yes, a few days.
D (05:59):
You make it sound like she enjoys having relationships with
men, but she has beencircumcised, and most women
who've been circumcised struggleto enjoy that relationship.
Sophia (06:15):
That's a good point.
I'm just giving you the facts.
So there's definitely somedebate as to whether she enjoys
the sexual aspect of it or not.
I don't know the extent of herfemale circumcision, but I
definitely know getting a femalecircumcision can have anywhere
from a mild to drastic effect onsexual pleasure.
(06:35):
I don't know for Omaima how muchit was.
But a lot of people think thatshe was still able to enjoy it,
because she was out there havingsex with all these men.
I don't know if that's true justbecause she's out there having
sex with these men, I thinkthere could definitely be other
reasons for that than sexualenjoyment.
Elena (06:53):
True.
D (06:54):
I was concerned as to why she's having so many sexual
relationships, because whenwomen have female circumcision,
most of the times it is painfulto have this sexual
relationship.
So I was wondering if she'strying to make it up for
something or is she reallyenjoying it?
Sophia (07:13):
That's a good point because at some point Omaima
claims that sex for her ispainful and people don't believe
it.
Personally, I think I would notbe surprised if she was in pain
having sex.
And I have my own opinions onall of this, which I'll get into
more because I don't want tospoil the details.
But my own personal opinion isthat I don't think she enjoys
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sex.
like somebody who has not beencircumcised.
I think she's having sexualrelationships with all these
older men for differentpurposes, and I do think it's
probably to fill some sort ofneed that probably, in my
opinion, stems from her femalecircumcision and what was done
to her at the hands of herfather.
But I do want to say there'sbeen Egyptian women who've been
taken to get circumcised bytheir mothers too.
(07:59):
So it's very cultural.
D (08:01):
No, that I understand.
I'm just saying that interestingshe's doing that even though she
has freedom because I am awareit can be painful.
Sophia (08:09):
Now, you can probably tell that Omaima had a hard time
staying away from trouble, andspoiler alert, things are not
going to turn out well withOmaima and Bill.
After they were quickly married,Omaima and Bill went on their
honeymoon in Texas and Arkansasto visit some of Bill's family.
The end of any potential withthese two.
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Because on this exact day,November 28th, 1991,
Thanksgiving Day, Omaima wouldend up hitting Bill with a lamp
and stabbing him with scissorsuntil he died.
She then proceeded to cut Billinto pieces, boil his head, and
cook his hands in oil.
Elena (08:48):
Oh, wow.
D (08:50):
Hold on.
She cut him into pieces with thescissors?
Sophia (08:53):
I don't think it was with scissors.
D (08:54):
Oh, because there's no other mention of another.
Sophia (08:57):
Yeah.
I don't know what she cut himinto pieces with, but she
stabbed him with the scissors.
D (09:01):
Oh, okay.
Elena (09:02):
This was not the, the turn that I thought we were
heading towards.
Sophia (09:06):
I know it's definitely a twist, but I feel with Omaima it
was building up like with whatshe was doing with all these
men, like something's going on.
Elena (09:13):
I honestly thought you were gonna say she was gonna get
killed.
So that's what I thought.
Sophia (09:18):
We were getting honestly though, like dating an older man
and.
like her troubled history, Iwould not have been surprised,
if you thought that.
Yeah.
Omaima then castrated Bill.
She boiled his hands to removehis fingerprints.
She also took his body parts andmixed them up with leftover
turkey and shoved other partsdown the disposal.
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Any extra body parts she wrappedwith newspapers and put them in
a trash bag.
Then she would later tell herpsychiatrist that she put
barbecue sauce in Bill's ribsand ate them.
Elena (09:49):
Eww.
Sophia (09:49):
A claim she would later retract.
Elena (09:52):
I wonder why she would want to retract that.
Sophia (09:55):
Yeah, I don't know if she ate them or not, but I would
not be surprised.
I don't know what Omaima endedup eating for Thanksgiving, but
I don't think it was onlyturkey.
She may have had turkey, but Ithink she also may have eaten
something else potentially.
What are we thinking guys, sofar?
Elena (10:09):
Really?
You think she might've eatensomething else?
I wonder what?
Sophia (10:14):
I think it's likely.
Elena (10:16):
Yeah.
I'm kind of at a loss of words.
It was not expecting.
Sophia (10:20):
It's a lot to take in.
Elena (10:21):
She just chopped him up and cooked him.
Wow.
Did she like give him out toanyone to also eat or did she
just like cook him in the foodand then just put it in the
fridge.
Sophia (10:34):
She did not give him out to other people to eat.
She, put him down the garbagedisposal.
I think she put him in a cooler.
She put his body parts into,actually I may have already said
this, put them into aluminumfoil and wrapped them up.
So she did different things withthe body parts.
Elena (10:54):
If she wasn't going to eat them, then why was she
cooking it within the food?
Just for like, forensic reasons?
Sophia (11:00):
I don't know; I just think she's sick.
There is something wrong withher.
Elena (11:04):
I think she might have ate it and she just doesn't
wanna.
Sophia (11:06):
Yeah, but she was doing more than just eating it.
If she ate it, she didn't justeat it, she was also trying to
get rid of the body too, whichI'm gonna do.
So I just think she's sick.
Elena (11:15):
Yeah.
D (11:16):
Something wrong up there.
Sophia (11:17):
Yeah.
Omaima claimed that Bill hadbeen sexually assaulting her,
and that he had tied her up totheir bed during bondage play,
but that she was able to breakfree and attack him in self
defense.
Either of you believe sheattacked him in self defense?
D (11:31):
If she was circumcised as a young girl, which is accurate,
and she has been going throughpain, I think there could be
some emotional part of her, andit could be that, he wanted.
to have the sexual relationshipwith her and maybe she was in
pain and didn't want to, so Ican see that.
Sophia (11:54):
What do you think about the fact that she's had other
men tied up in bondage play andhas threatened them with a gun
during this, or a knife?
D (12:02):
Then she's an unstable individual, both can be true.
I don't know, but I'm justgetting the facts from the story
here.
I can't put the puzzle togetherbecause I don't know the pieces,
but it just seems a little weirdthough.
Elena (12:15):
Yeah.
Agreed.
Sophia (12:17):
Yeah.
So I'll get into it and then wecan discuss further.
It's unfortunate that we don'thave Bill's side of the story,
but if you look at Omaima'shistory, she's had a lot of
previous instances of attackingpeople, including older men.
Her story of self defense can bea little harder to believe given
her history.
Bill died because of his stabwounds from the scissors.
(12:40):
Something I do want to say is weknow Omaima put parts of his
body in the garbage disposal andneighbors heard their garbage
disposal being turned on forhours.
D (12:51):
Ooh.
Ooh.
I'm sorry.
Ooh.
Sophia (12:56):
Ew.
That's a bad picture, isn't it?
D (12:58):
It's terrible to imagine.
Elena (13:00):
Yeah.
Sophia (13:01):
But at that point though, when do you suspect that
something foul is going on?
Elena (13:05):
hearing the garbage disposal is not enough to call
the police.
D (13:09):
You're probably wondering what they're doing.
Elena (13:11):
They could just have cooked a big meal.
I mean, she did, technically,
Sophia (13:14):
For hours?
You're not even supposed to useyour garbage disposal for it too
much.
D (13:20):
Did she actually put bones down there?
Because it's not even meant forthat.
Sophia (13:24):
I think she did.
D (13:25):
Oh my god.
Elena (13:26):
I'm shocked it didn't break before that.
Sophia (13:28):
I know.
D (13:28):
Yes, yes.
Sophia (13:29):
Bill was over a few hundred pounds, and they didn't
even find all his body.
So the garbage disposal couldexplain why they didn't find so
much.
Omama claims that she castratedBill because of his alleged
sexual assaults, and herpsychiatrist said that she
dismembered Bill for 12 hoursstraight in what was like a
trance like state due to apsychotic episode she was
(13:50):
having.
D (13:52):
Okay, so she does have mental issues.
This is obvious.
Sophia (13:54):
I think it's pretty clear whether you think she did
it in self defense or not, thereis something.
Elena (13:59):
She was going through a psychotic break which the
psychiatrist said so I guessthat would explain.
Sophia (14:04):
If that's even true?
It could be, but even if sheisn't there's definitely
something wrong with her.
Elena (14:09):
Didn't she get diagnosed right after she was.
Sophia (14:11):
Well, that's her psychiatrist.
It was part of the evidence tohelp her in her trial.
Elena (14:16):
Okay.
Sophia (14:18):
After Omaima was finished with Bill's body, she,
thankfully, did some really dumbthings, which is she tried to
get acquaintances and formerboyfriends to help her get rid
of Bill's body.
I don't know how she thought shewas going to convince someone to
help her, especially her oldboyfriends since she attacked
them.
Elena (14:35):
Yeah, that's an interesting way to go.
Sophia (14:37):
Yeah, she thought she could.
On December 1st, she ended upasking Richard Gray, who was her
ex-boyfriend, that she put aknife to his throat.
Well, she asked him if he wouldhelp her get rid of Bill's body
for$75,000.
He told her no, and then hecalled the police, and then he
realized he was lucky he escapedwhile he did.
Elena (14:58):
So she's not even hiding it at this point, which is
crazy.
she's like hiding it, but she'sopenly communicating with people
on the phone.
Sophia (15:07):
We've already said there's something wrong with
her, but there's something veryseriously wrong with her.
Like some sort of disconnectfrom reality because she's
reaching out to people thinkingthat they're going to help her.
And, these are people who, in myopinion, are unlikely to help
her.
So I think she's just not verybalanced enough to understand
society, social connections.
Elena (15:29):
Yeah, that's basically what like a psychotic break is.
Sophia (15:33):
Yeah, maybe she did have one.
Elena (15:35):
I wouldn't be surprised if like that part at least of it
was true.
Cause it does seem like there isa disconnect here.
Sophia (15:43):
Yeah.
D (15:44):
I do think she had a psychotic break.
Sophia (15:47):
Now the more you guys talk about it, the more I think
you're probably right.
There's something that couldexplain her disconnection.
I sometimes wonder if she ispermanently, like, disconnected
throughout most of her life andnot just during this one
instance.
D (16:00):
It does sound like something was going on early on also.
Sophia (16:04):
Yeah, especially with the other dudes.
She was dating.
D (16:06):
Correct.
So it sounded like she was goingdown a certain path.
It wasn't healthy.
Actually.
Sophia (16:11):
It was gonna blow up It was just getting worse and worse
So Richard Gray caught thepolice and they immediately went
to Omaima and Bill's apartmentThey found most of the furniture
to be stained with blood andhuman flesh was all over the
apartment either in tinfoil orplastic bags or cardboard boxes
Police also found a garbage bagof his remains in the car.
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During their search, policenoticed a large soup pot, which
Omaima had used to cook some ofBill's body parts.
Elena (16:43):
Ew.
Sophia (16:44):
And they also discovered Bill's head in a cooler.
D (16:49):
Oh, okay.
Sophia (16:50):
Yeah, it's starting to remind me of the Australian case
with, I think her name was KathyBates.
Elena (16:56):
Oh, I know that case.
Sophia (16:57):
Where she cooked her ex-boyfriend.
Elena (17:00):
Boyfriend or ex-boyfriend, something like
that.
Sophia (17:02):
There was a glass jar that had some sort of body
parts, and Bill's hands were ina deep fat fryer.
Elena (17:09):
She was frying his hands?
Sophia (17:11):
Mm hmm.
Elena (17:13):
That's gross.
But just this is weird.
Sophia (17:15):
It's honestly so disgusting that I can't even
imagine walking in there as apolice officer.
It's like you're walking intohell.
Now Bill was 6 feet 4 inches andweighed 230 pounds, but police
only ended up finding about 150pounds of him.
They never discovered hisremaining 80 pounds, including
his genitals.
(17:36):
And who knows if, this was dueto the garbage disposal or maybe
she dumped his body partssomewhere else, I don't know,
but Don't think she could haveeaten 80 pounds of him that
quickly.
Elena (17:46):
That's a lot.
If it was on for hours, then agood portion of him probably
went down the garbage drain.
Did she just expect that shecould put a whole body down the
garbage drain?
Sophia (17:57):
She may have in that state.
D (17:59):
It does sound like maybe she wasn't all there.
If she thought she could get ridof all of that.
Elena (18:04):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Sophia (18:05):
I realize this episode is probably going to make all
our viewers not want to eat onThanksgiving.
Sorry to have done that to youguys.
Elena (18:13):
Enjoy the feast!
Sophia (18:15):
Then, on December 2nd, so one day after Omaima told
Richard what she had done, shevisited 27 year old Jose
Esquivel, who was anacquaintance.
She said to him that Bill hadsexually assaulted her and
showed him cuts on her chest,thighs, and feet and also showed
him ligature markings on herwrists too.
(18:39):
She also asked him if he couldhelp her get rid of Bill's body
for$75,000 and he said yes, butwhen he went to his truck, He
called the police.
So it was just him trying to getout of the situation.
Yeah.
When police interrogated her,she first said that Bill and her
had not fought that night, butthat instead two women and three
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guys entered the apartment thesame night drugged her, murdered
Bill, and attempted to frame herby planting his dismembered
remains when she let a neighborborrow Bill's car the next day.
Elena (19:12):
Right.
Sophia (19:13):
Omaima was then arrested on the suspicion of murder
charge on December 2nd, 1991,and her trial began in Santa Ana
almost exactly one year later onDecember 1st, 1992.
During that trial, her attorney,Thomas Mooney, claimed self
defense and said that becauseshe had undergone female genital
mutilations as a child, sex wastraumatic and painful for her,
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and that this was only increasedby the assaults she allegedly
sustained during her marriage toBill.
He also claimed that Omaima hadexperienced child abuse in Egypt
and suffered from battered womansyndrome.
Unsurprisingly, Omaima accusedBill of domestic violence and
sexual abuse during her threeweeks of marriage and said she
had lived in constant fearbecause Bill threatened her with
(19:59):
death or that he would falselyreport her to immigration as an
illegal alien.
This statement from Omaima waschallenged by the prosecution,
though, which had her ex-husbandtestify that Omaima never made
mention of discomfort during sexand that did not help her
defense.
But unfortunately, I don't thinkeveryone always tells their
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sexual partner if they areexperiencing pain.
And I'm not saying this wasOmaima's case either.
I'm just saying that, we can'tsay that she wasn't having it
just because she may not haveever expressed it.
Elena (20:30):
That's very true.
D (20:31):
And it sounds like she may have been abused or something as
a child and learned not to talkabout it.
Elena (20:38):
She seemed like she had learned to keep her issues to
herself.
And any problem.
Sophia (20:42):
I wonder if it was just bubbling up
D (20:44):
Yes.
And she took it out on him.
Sophia (20:47):
Kathy Nelson, Bill's ex-wife, also took the stand and
said that.
Bill had not been violent duringtheir marriage.
A medical examination was donein December of 1991 and showed
no signs of physical sexualtrauma on Omaima while the
pathology report of Bill Nelsonrevealed that he had ligature
markings on his wrists, whichmeant that he was tied up right
(21:10):
before he died.
So it's looking like she had himtied up and then stabbed him.
And that makes sense as to howshe was able to stab him with
scissors, because if he's tied,he has no defense.
And he's a big guy too.
He's six foot four, I believe.
If he wasn't tied up, I thinkit'd be harder for her to
overtake him and kill him.
D (21:29):
He is older though, also.
Sophia (21:31):
That's true.
He's 56 and his pictures, helooks a little older, but I
think it was just how he dressedprobably.
Okay.
Prosecutors claimed that Omaimahad used her beauty to get older
men to lavish her with money,pay her rent, and buy her cars.
And I also just wanna say thearea that she is in for that,
not just Southern California,but Orange County specifically
(21:52):
in especially Newport Beach.
Girl, she was in the perfectarea for that.
If that was her mission.
She was finding a lot of theseguys in like Newport Beach,
Huntington Beach It's definitelyperfect for that.
Bill Nelson's attorney, JohnFitzgibbon Sr., said that he had
met Omaima in Laredo, Texas whenBill and her were on their
honeymoon.
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Bill and Omaima told John thatthey had gone and married in an
Egyptian ceremony in either LasVegas or Phoenix on November
1st, but neither city hadrecords of their marriage.
Acquaintances and coworkers ofBill Nelson described Bill and
Omaima as affectionate, but somedid have suspicions that Omaima
had married Bill for his money.
(22:34):
An attorney representing BillNelson's ex-wife, Kathy Nelson,
said that their own divorceproceedings between her and Bill
had not yet been complete at thetime.
And she, along with theprosecution during Omama's
trial, called the validity oftheir marriage claim into
question.
Which if Bill was still legallymarried to Kathy, I wouldn't be
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surprised if he had done anEgyptian marriage ceremony with
Omaima because it wasn't legallybinding.
So if he did want to marryOmaima, the Egyptian ceremony
would have been a way to do thatsince he couldn't have done it
legally since he was stillmarried to Kathy.
Or maybe for him, he didn't carethat they got married so soon
because it wasn't even legallyofficial yet.
(23:16):
It was a ceremony, but it wasn'tlegal.
So maybe he was just having fun,he's in the middle of a divorce.
So he's a single man.
He's got a young, attractivewoman who is into him.
He may have been just taking iteasy for all we know.
D (23:28):
Now, they got married in Egypt or just had an Egyptian
ceremony?
Sophia (23:33):
They just had an Egyptian ceremony.
In the U.
S.?
Yes.
Okay.
D (23:37):
So if they never did what they have to do, it could not
stand.
Yes.
Elena (23:42):
Is she using his money for lawyers?
Sophia (23:45):
I don't know.
I'm not actually sure what moneyshe's using to pay for the
lawyers.
Elena (23:50):
Because then you could argue it's not his.
Sophia (23:52):
How could she use his money though if she wasn't
married to him?
Elena (23:54):
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I was wondering.
If she tried to and then theyargued, you're not technically
his wife.
Sophia (24:01):
That could be.
I'm not sure.
After the jury deliberated forsix days, Omaima was convicted
of second degree murder onJanuary 12th, 1993.
She was sentenced to 27 years tolife in prison and
unsuccessfully appealed theverdict in 1995.
From 1992 to at least 2011,Omaima was in prison at the
Central California Women'sFacility, but was then
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transferred to the CaliforniaInstitution for Women.
Throughout her time in prison,Omaima has had multiple long
distance relationships.
In 2006, Omaima claimed to havebecome a born again Christian.
Around the same time, she gainedthe rights to conjugal visits
with one of her suitors, a manin his 70s who ended up dying in
(24:45):
2011.
Just like with Bill, she claimedthat they had become married,
but prison officials deny this.
She also attempted to petitionfor habeas corpus twice, in 2002
and 2019, but was denied eachtime by the circuit court.
Habeas corpus is basically whensomeone claims they've been
unlawfully imprisoned and asksfor a review to determine if
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they've been unlawfullyimprisoned.
In prison, Omaima has received anumber of disciplinary
infractions, including fighting,battering a staff member,
possession of contraband, theft,arguing, failing to comply with
instructions, and not being incompliance with grooming
standards.
So it's safe to say Omaima seemsto struggle to behave no matter
(25:28):
where she is.
Omaima first became eligible forparole in 2006, but was denied
when commissioners found herunpredictable and a serious
threat to public safety.
She became eligible again in2011, but was denied by the
parole board again, citing thatshe had not taken responsibility
for the murder and would not bea productive citizen if she were
freed.
(25:49):
She would not be able to try forparole again until 2026.
And that is the case of OmaimaAree Nelson.
What are your thoughts?
D (25:58):
I definitely think that there's something unbalanced
with her because it just seemsshe goes in jail and she's still
trying to get older men to comeand visit her.
So there's something wrong withher mentally and I'm glad they
don't let her out because shedoes sound like she is dangerous
to society.
Elena (26:18):
I definitely am really like shocked, not shocked by
like this case, because we,there are cases of men and women
doing crazy things, but I justdid not expect this case, to go
in that direction.
But I do think that there aremost likely some sort of mental
issues that she seems to bedealing with and is still
(26:41):
affecting her.
There's a sense of overkill.
But I do think she still needsto be in prison.
She still hasn't been reformedyet.
They're taking it seriously, andthat's good.
Sophia (26:53):
I agree with you both.
I'm glad she's still in prison,because I do think she's a
danger to the public.
So I appreciate them thinkingabout that and trying to keep us
safe.
Elena (27:03):
It does seem like she was still up to her old tricks with,
even now, with the other olderguy.
Sophia (27:09):
And the fact that she claimed they were married and
they weren't says a lot, too.
Elena (27:12):
I wonder if they have her seeking any mental help while in
there.
D (27:16):
I would hope so.
Elena (27:18):
Yeah.
D (27:19):
Because they do, but I'm not sure.
Elena (27:21):
You never know.
Sophia (27:23):
Why do you think she murdered him?
Elena (27:25):
I think it was all building up, and I think
something happened that night,and she snapped.
Then she had some sort of,possibly a psychotic break, and
then afterwards she just had totry and clean it up.
And maybe she still wasn't inthe right space and thought she
could, put his whole body down agarbage disposal and had to
(27:46):
improvise, and then got caught.
D (27:48):
I do think the same thing like she had some mental break
and at some point was still init and at some point she came
out.
But there is something wrong andsomething did trigger it.
And I don't know.
I think it probably has to dowith her childhood and whatever
else is wrong.
Sophia (28:05):
I agree with you both.
I don't think it's for money atall because she wasn't even
legally married to him and itwould have benefited her more
financially if he was stillalive.
Elena (28:15):
True.
Sophia (28:16):
It seems like she came close to doing this potentially
with some of the other men butthen didn't and granted she
wasn't married to them so if shehad killed them she wouldn't
have gotten any money from theirdeaths.
Not that she did with Billbecause she wasn't legally
married.
They were just claiming thatthey were.
So I don't even know if shethought she would profit or
(28:36):
benefit from his death.
Again, she's so unbalanced thatmaybe in her mind she thought
she was gonna profit from it.
But, because she's so detachedfrom reality, I don't think she
thinks of the consequences ofher actions.
She was committing all of thesecrimes, except for the murder,
before she was with Bill.
(28:57):
And I wondered if she justmurdered Bill and did not plan
it, because her idea to get herexes to help her cover up her
murder is such a bad plan.
Yeah.
She sounds very impulsive, andhonestly, I wonder, if her
circumcision has something to dowith what she's doing to these
men.
D (29:15):
I think if you take her situation, I would say
circumcision is just one part.
And if any of that occurred toher where she was abused as a
child, that creates a lot oftrauma and a buildup.
Sophia (29:30):
It's interesting that you mentioned that But now, it's
like she reversed it,potentially.
If this happened to her, right,she is now in the control seat
and has the power because she'stied up all these men with
bondage and she's the one who'sthreatening them with a knife or
a gun.
And then she even castratedBill.
D (29:50):
So all that sounds like from trauma of childhood.
Especially tying up the men andthen trying to take power
because she never had the powerof her childhood.
So, I am not surprised.
I'm not saying she should getout or I'm just saying she does
have issues.
Sophia (30:08):
Even if this was caused by something in her childhood, I
hate to say this, but she'sprobably beyond repair.
And I think she's way toodangerous to release because she
could do this again too.
D (30:18):
She needs a lot of therapy and I'm not sure she is at any
mind process or thought to beable to even do it.
Sophia (30:28):
If they're giving her any help, and I don't know what
they are.
D (30:31):
Other than medication, she also needs one on one therapy or
therapy of whatever they do.
I'm not sure they offer that.
Sophia (30:38):
It's devastating especially when you see what she
turned out like.
D (30:42):
Yes.
Elena (30:43):
I'm not gonna comment on I guess things that may or may
not have happened in her lifesince we don't know.
But clearly, I feel likesomething happened most likely
in her past.
And that could have been thecircumcision.
It could have been other thingsas well.
But I think something definitelyhappened that kind of affected
her mentally that led her downthis path and led her this way.
Sophia (31:08):
We know she was circumcised.
We don't know what othertraumatic instances that could
have happened in her childhoodthat could have influenced all
of these situations.
But just a reminder, we justdon't know.
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