September 4, 2025 • 48 mins
-The Effin’ CrunchCrew — “Jeremy: The Boy Behind the Song”
Today on The Effin’ CrunchCrew, things get deep. Spook discovers that he and Jeremy — the boy behind Pearl Jam’s haunting anthem — actually went to school together. Same hallways, same yearbook, just six months before tragedy struck. But was the whole song really about Jeremy? We dig into the truth — and Eddie Vedder’s other inspiration for those lyrics.
Of course, this wouldn’t be The CrunchCrew without a little chaos. Pinkie gets accused of aiding and abetting two fugitives, Spook admits he might’ve been a snitch at 7 years old (“You didn’t see anything!” — “Shooottt yes I did!”), and we ask the real questions: Have any of the crew been traumatized? What do silent screams of depression sound like? And more importantly — who can help when nobody’s listening?
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Speaker 04 (00:01):
Today on The Effin' Crunch Crew, it's story time.
Now, I know I've been taking usfor little rides here about
people I went to high schoolwith, some who got murdered, but
this one takes the cake.
I did not realize until justyesterday that I went to school
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with the boy behind the song,Jeremy.
Yeah, we're talking about PearlJam.
So, kick back, relax, and let'sget into it.
Coming up next on The Effin'Crunch Crew.
Yeah.
Speaker 00 (00:51):
Coming to you live on the air.
You better
Speaker 04 (00:55):
ask
Speaker 00 (00:56):
somebody.
Big Spook (01:06):
Warning.
Pinkie (01:07):
We recognize that the views and opinions expressed on
the FN Crunch Crew show may beoffensive to some listeners.
Please accept this as ouradvance warning and apology.
Now, stop being little bitchesand let's get this Effin" show
on the road.
Take it away, Spook.
You can't stop
Speaker 04 (01:22):
O Oh, yeah.
It's your boy, Big Spook.
Pinkie!And Loca Lisa.
And we are.
Oh, Pan Blanco's not here.
He's gone.
Unknown (01:31):
But we are.
Speaker 04 (01:31):
The Effin' CrunchCrew.
So kick back, relax.
How y'all all doing?
Pinkie's in
Big Spook (01:36):
the house.
I'm COVID free.
So this show is going to takeoff with kind of like me just
being the narrator and thenafterwards we will go into and
discuss it and then we'll do ourregular stuff.
So we're going to pick up on itright about now.
So y'all kick back and listen.
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January 8th, 1991.
A cold morning in Richardson,Texas.
At Richardson High School,students walked into their
classrooms like any other day.
But for 15-year-old Jeremy WadeDelle, this day would be his
last.
What happened in that classroomwould not only shock his
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classmates, his teachers, andthe entire Dallas area, but
years later, it would echoacross the world in one of the
most haunting rock songs everwritten.
Jeremy Wade Delle was just akid, a 15-year-old boy from
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Richardson, Texas, who, like somany other teenagers, struggled.
Teachers described him asartistic, a quiet, sometimes
troubled young man who hadbounced between living with his
mother and his father aftertheir divorce.
Court documents showed he hadalready been dealing with
truancy issues, skippingclasses, struggling to stay
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motivated, Some classmates saidhe seemed withdrawn.
Others remember him as someonewho wanted to fit in, but
carried a heavy sadness.
His story was the story of somany kids, a little lost, a
little overlooked, carrying painhe couldn't always show.
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That morning, Jeremy showed uplate to class.
He had a pass in hand, but notfrom the office.
Instead, he carried somethingfar more devastating.
In front of the classroom fullof students, Jeremy pulled out a
handgun, raised it, put it inhis mouth, and pulled the
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trigger before anyone could stophim.
The room was frozen, shocked,terrified.
His classmates ran screaminginto the hallways.
His teacher, traumatized, wouldnever be the same.
It wasn't just another tragedyin Dallas.
It was a moment that wouldtravel far beyond Richardson
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High.
Now, here's where the storytook a turn into music history.
Across the country in Seattle,a rising band called Pearl Jam
had just started making waves.
Their lead singer, EddieVedder, was reading the morning
paper and came across Jeremy'sstory.
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The headline, the details, thehaunting reality of a young boy
who felt invisible.
It stuck with him.
Vedder later said, I rememberreading about it and being
struck by how it said he triedto speak, but no one was really
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listening.
And that's when he decided tospeak the loudest way possible.
And out of that, the songJeremy was born.
With its chilling chorus,Jeremy spoke in class today.
Eddie Vedder turned a localDallas tragedy into a worldwide
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anthem about youth despair,alienation, and the dangers of
silence.
When Pearl Jam released Jeremyin 1992, It hit hard.
The music video, with itsdisturbing imagery of a boy
standing before his classmates,became iconic.
But here's the thing.
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Many who saw it didn't know thereal Jeremy.
They didn't know Jeremy WadeDell, the teenager from
Richardson who loved art, whowas trying to find his place in
a world that didn't seem to makespace for him.
His classmates carried that daywith them forever.
For them, it wasn't just asong.
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It was real.
And to this day, RichardsonHigh School remembers.
Jeremy's story became biggerthan Dallas, bigger than Texas.
It became a warning and areminder about what happens when
we don't hear the voices of ouryoung, the hurting and the
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invisible.
So next time you hear thathaunting Pearl Jam track, think
of Jeremy Wade Delle.
Think of the boy fromRichardson, Texas, and the echo
of his final words that stillripple through speakers more
than 30 years later.
Jeremy spoke in class today.
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So first off, what'd y'allthink about that?
Pinkie (07:04):
I never knew.
I think you and I were talkingabout this earlier.
I never knew that I knew whathe was, who he was talking
about, but I didn't know he wasfrom Richardson.
Big Spook (07:12):
Yeah.
And I found out so much goinginto this because as I was doing
research on it, I heard thesong like last week and I'm
like, man, that was a badasssong.
And I remember it took place inRichardson.
And what's funny is my kidswent to school there.
Their mom went to school there,you know, and I looked at it
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was 1991 whenever he took hislife but I started looking into
it deeper and I remember seeingthe picture that would come up
with it and I said that kidlooks so familiar right and I
looked at the picture and I'mlike I know the kids around him
in the picture like I rememberthem because but they were at my
school they were at my highschool and I said there's no way
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so I looked it up and I saidwell before he killed himself at
Richardson High School did hego to any other high school?
To my shock, I went to schoolwith him.
Pinkie (08:10):
That's crazy.
LOCA LISA (08:11):
Was it like he went to your school freshman year and
then moved to Richardson theyear after?
Big Spook (08:18):
Yes, so his parents got divorced while he was at
Bryan Adams High School.
They split up, so he ended upstaying with his dad.
His dad lived in Richardsonarea.
He went to school there and hewas a freshman I was a
sophomore.
And I remember vividly becauseI have the yearbook, right?
So I came home and I opened upthe yearbook and he was in
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there.
And it was the picture thatI've seen always because in
freshman year, our cousin Juniorwas a freshman during this time
at BA, at Brown Adams too.
So I remember looking at it andI had to walk out of my office
because I'm like, that is soclose to home to have a song so
iconic be that close, right?
I thought me living inRichardson was close enough.
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You know what I'm saying?
And then I thought, well, mykids went there and their mom
went there.
That was close enough.
But to even be that much closerto what's like almost a full
circle for me that we went toschool together.
We were in the same we're inthe same freaking, you know,
yearbook.
And I'm like, holy crap.
LOCA LISA (09:20):
Yeah, I thought it happened at, you know, where he
went to where he went tofreshman because I was like, oh,
my gosh.
So right now, when we talkedabout it before we started
recording, when you told me thatit it wasn't and that it was in
Richardson I was like oh manthis whole time I thought it was
Big Spook (09:38):
you thought it was Bryan Adams yeah I thought it
was Bryan Adams yeah I I knew itwas Richardson after the fact
because I remember back in theday I was like okay where did
this kid kill himself and stufflike that gets me like if we
hear a song and somebody tellsme oh man that happened in like
Wichita I'm like what what waywhat part of Wichita I've been
there before you know well Iwanted to know and then to find
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out it happened here you know inthe city that I live in it was
just crazy um But then it wentdeeper because I went to school
together.
I went to Bryan Adams inDallas.
That's where I went to.
And when I saw that, I was justblown away.
But it went even deeper thanthat because I talked to a
friend of mine and I didn't knowhe had siblings.
And I talked to this friendtoday and I was like, my friend
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was telling me, I said, hey,we're doing a podcast show about
Jeremy, the song that Pearl Jamwrote.
And she was like, Joe, hissister was one of my best
friends.
I was like, what?
Like, what the fuck?
I didn't know he had a sister.
Was she older?
She was older, yeah.
She was older.
And I was like, okay.
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And sure enough, man, I waslooking at her and she sent me a
picture to see her.
And I was like, okay.
I said, I don't think Iremember her.
Like, I don't remember her.
Maybe.
And then she sent me a pictureto see.
But anyways, beyond that, I waslike, wow, this is deep.
So I started looking at EddieVedder.
Like, what made made him writeabout this song because the kid,
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Jeremy, was very artistic.
I don't know how he was in BA.
Could it happen there?
Was he that depressed?
A lot had to do with hisparents being divorced and
split.
That affects kids a lot,especially at that age.
At that teenage, 15 years old,you think it's your fault or
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something happened, and I hatethat.
But at the same time, I'mthinking to myself, it happened
here and it says he couldn't getalong with people here.
He didn't have a place to fitwhen he transferred to BA.
And he transferred at the timewhere he was going to be a
sophomore, right?
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So whenever he started schoolin Richardson, he became a
sophomore.
And he was only there for likesix months, I want to say.
But he came in and he startedrebelling against everything his
home he saw counselors with hisdad because he was getting in
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trouble at school and so theyset up counselors to meet with
him and his father and I'm notsure if his mom did anything but
it talked about that and thathe just felt alone he became
friends with this one girl atRichardson High School that she
talks about it in one of theinterviews I saw and he was
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basically it was like wheneveryou go to school and you get in
trouble, you go to detention orwhatever it is.
So he was in detention a lot,and so was she.
And they would write each othernotes, and on the note, he
would say, write back.
And she would get it, read it,and she would
Pinkie (12:46):
write back.
We used to do that, I remember.
We used to do that, and then W,and then the WB.
Yeah, yeah, so to write back.
Big Spook (12:54):
So he said, he would say, write back, write back,
and it happened to go on a lot.
She said the last time she gotone from him, he put something
like, I don't know if this is,don't quote me on this, see you
on the other side or see you.
So he had already had in hishead that something was going to
happen, right?
And she thought that was weirdbecause that was the last
message she got from him onpaper.
Pinkie (13:15):
Can I read this, what I just found about that?
I guess it's about that.
It says, Jeremy Wade Delle wasa quiet student known for his
sadness.
After arriving late to class,he was sent to the principal's
office to fill out a tardy slip.
He returned to the classroomwith a .35 357 Magnum Revolver,
I don't know how you say that.
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Yeah, yeah, 357.
Stated, Miss, I got what Ireally went for.
Put the gun in his mouth andpulled the trigger before anyone
could react.
Yeah,
Big Spook (13:45):
yeah.
Pinkie (13:45):
That is so freaking sad.
I was going to
Big Spook (13:48):
tell you that because the teacher, when he
walked in, it was an Englishclass.
And the teacher's name startedwith an F.
I forgot her whole name.
But yeah, he did say that.
And that was also said onanother thing that I heard.
So the same words that you justsaid is what he said to the
teacher.
He had been in trouble.
He'd always be late for thisEnglish class, and that
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particular day he went out, gothis gun, came back in.
Where he got the gun, theystill don't know, which is
weird.
LOCA LISA (14:18):
So a student...
Meaning it wasn't missing fromhis parents?
Big Spook (14:23):
Yeah, they couldn't figure...
I don't know if they figured itout now, but from what I saw
research, they didn't tell meanything.
I didn't learn anything.
What I did know was the peoplewho witnessed it Witnessed by
this meaning the people who satin this classroom but the people
outside the classroom who werein the hallways there was one
kid and he said that he wasgetting into his locker and he
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was working his combination andhe heard something and he said
he thought it was like a heavybook that slammed to the ground
and come to find out it was agun going off.
He said he thought it was abook until a girl ran out of
that classroom yelling a blondegirl ran out she was yelling and
crying, and then he peeked inand he saw Jeremy's body on the
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ground, gun next to him, andblood everywhere.
And then he saw studentsholding up the teacher because
the teacher was in shock, likeshe almost fainted.
And I was like, whoa.
And then to go even furtherthan that, I met somebody who
was actually in the class whenthat happened, right, as a
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student.
And I never talked to themabout it because I really don't
know them that well but to findout that they were in the class
at that time was kind of likecreepy
LOCA LISA (15:38):
as hell yeah what was that experience like I know in
the video there's like kids withtheir like shocked face and
like blood splatter on theirface and they're all wearing
white that's exactly what he wastalking about earlier
Big Spook (15:51):
they're all wearing white and shit and so the
director of the video had put ittogether to you know they read
up on everything so the songitself I gotta get to that point
Eddie Vedder wrote the song buthe he never knew Jeremy.
But one of the sentences hesays, clearly I remember picking
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on the boy.
Okay, but how do you do that?
So he, in an interview, saidthat the song was about Jeremy
and another boy named Brian.
Brian went to school with himwhen he was in high school.
And he would always get into afight with this kid.
And this kid had a similaritythat Jeremy had.
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He brought a gun to school, buthe brought it to shoot up the
place.
Oh, dang.
So he didn't shoot nobody.
He didn't hit nobody, but hedid get in trouble for it.
So he would always pick on thiskid.
They'd fight, and this kidactually hit him in the face
with his left hook or whatever.
It was just something that hethrew in the song.
But I was like, damn.
Okay, so he put these together,and the video itself was they
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wore white.
They were in the classroom, andthey all pointed at Jeremy.
LOCA LISA (17:01):
Yeah, they were all almost like, huh?
Yeah,
Big Spook (17:04):
laughing at him.
Look at you.
And so people who watched thisvideo at first thought it was
about a kid who went into aclassroom and shot the students.
Because you notice on theirfaces, they just paused like
they're dead.
They actually have the bloodsplatter from him shooting
himself.
And people didn't realize thatat first.
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And I was like, damn, that'spretty crazy.
So they talk about him paintingin his video like he's got a
vivid vivid mindset of colorslike he talks about the sun
being orange and yellows andthese v-shaped hands up in the
air and i saw an actual paintingthat that uh Jeremy did and it
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was beautiful he's 15 year oldhe had great talent it was a
painting of this elephant andthe elephant looks so real i was
like man that is awesome thiskid had really good talent
Pinkie (17:59):
i read that he had won an award at the state fair
Big Spook (18:02):
oh he did i didn't read that part That's how good
he was.
He was a really, reallytalented kid, man.
I was like, dude, for him to gothrough whatever he was going
through and take it out onhimself like that, that's
horrible.
But I remember looking at it.
And so I asked my son, I said,hey, do you remember that song?
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It's way before your time.
And he's like, oh, yeah.
He goes, that classroom wasnext door to a classroom that I
used to go to.
And it's still there.
So during the shooting this isfucking weird nobody got sent
home they continued school
LOCA LISA (18:40):
that's crazy
Big Spook (18:41):
like nowadays you fucking find a gun you're gone
right no they continued schoolyou could go home if your
parents came to pick you up butthey continued it and they had a
bunch of counselors come in tohelp counsel the kids I won't
give a fuck I'm leaving I don'twant to be there how
Pinkie (18:57):
could you in a room full of blood or if you find out if
your son calls you and is likeoh my god this kid just blew his
his head off in the class
Big Spook (19:04):
yeah
LOCA LISA (19:05):
you're gonna be like I'm about to pick you up
Big Spook (19:07):
well remember there was no phones back then like
kids can afford phones back thenyeah that's true we had brick
phones and shit back then if youhad one you
LOCA LISA (19:14):
know so imagine imagine if your son comes home
at the end of the day like afour o'clock and he's like guess
what happened at 8 30 yeah andyou're like what the school
didn't even it
Big Spook (19:23):
was nine something
LOCA LISA (19:24):
yeah yeah like you're like dang you they didn't let
us know or they didn't notifythe parents they didn't let
anybody go home oh they're
Big Spook (19:31):
being some deep shit nowadays yeah like uh you You
should have called me.
Like, what the fuck's wrongwith y'all?
So yeah, they kept the schoolopen, which I found very fucking
weird.
Like, why would you do that?
Especially after a shooting andsomebody, I don't know.
That was kind of weird to me tofind that out.
But yeah, so he wrote this songabout him.
And then as I was reading moreabout it, the kid who played him
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in the video actually died too.
LOCA LISA (20:00):
What?
Pinkie (20:01):
Yeah.
He died at a later age.
That was his only thing he wasever on.
He was on nothing else.
No movies, no other video.
That was the only video.
They only got him because helooked like him a little bit,
not much, after I saw thepictures.
But yeah, so he went.
They won awards for it, MTVAwards or whatever.
And the kid ended up dyingat...
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He wasn't a kid when he died.
He was like 30-something yearsold.
But he died of a weird-assaccident.
And I was like, that's fuckedup.
But I thought that was crazythat that shit all happened and
I was like damn dude this wastoo close to home for me it's
like and it still shocks me thatnumber one it's full circle now
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like this song has made it thewhole world around everybody
knows this beat this song likeJeremy spoke in class everybody
knows those words and I was likedude that's that's freaking
crazy I mean Pinkie said sheremembers hearing it like when
you but I was so young I meanwhen it happened I was 11 but
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then I was reading throughout Iguess the video didn't actually
that's probably why I said itwas like 93 for me because the
video that's when the video wasrecognized
Big Spook (21:16):
yeah because 92 was the album they had that was
their that was their debut albumwas 10 was the name of the
album and that was one of thetop three songs on their album
of all time and I was like damnso 91 You were just 11?
11.
Fuck, I was already out ofschool.
Pinkie (21:37):
Were you really?
No.
Big Spook (21:39):
I was...
I want to say I was supposed tograduate in 90, 91.
Yeah.
Pinkie (21:45):
Damn, you old.
Oh, really?
Just kidding.
No, I'm kidding.
Yeah, 91.
So, 93 by the time the videocame out.
Big Spook (21:53):
It's crazy because I was driving with...
I was driving with Jojo and hisgirlfriend and I said, why are
you so quiet?
I was telling them the storyabout it and...
She was like, man, you got alot of connections.
I said, what do you mean?
She goes, well, you do.
You can look at this storyyou're talking about.
You're connected to it in acertain way.
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And then the story you toldabout, we talked about last time
when you weren't here, you weresick.
We were talking about theBlockbuster murders.
That was a connection foractually Lisa and me because our
cousin was supposed to workthat night at that Blockbuster,
which he would have been dead alot sooner than what he is now.
He's passed for a couple yearsnow but yeah he that night I
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remember that guy who went inand killed them he killed one of
the guys I went to school withtoo so it's like it's weird it's
LOCA LISA (22:45):
all in the hood
Big Spook (22:46):
all in the hood everything leads back to Texas
yeah I want you to do that thisone guy one time told me this
one of my friends actually hecame to an interview with us
Ducato Vega he always told mewhen we were younger he'd be
like you know everything leadsto Texas he's from the Louisiana
I said what do you mean he goesjust watch from now on and see
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what at least happens you knowanything news anything that
happens serial killers whetherit's something that's happening
with the war whatever it leadsback to Texas and everything
leads back to Texas I thoughtthat was crazy yeah you missed
it man I would love to hear whatyou had to say today sucker
talking about he working working
LOCA LISA (23:26):
I think he's at home asleep
Big Spook (23:27):
he's out there playing with Gus Gus and feeding
coyotes
LOCA LISA (23:31):
I think he had I think he had too hard Hot dogs
for dinner.
Big Spook (23:34):
Oh, damn.
He probably did.
Hot
Pinkie (23:36):
dogs.
Him
LOCA LISA (23:36):
and his dogs.
Snuggled up with the dogs.
Big Spook (23:40):
With Gus Gus.
Stupid ass Gus.
Pinkie (23:43):
I thought about him for Bella's birthday.
She had a pool party and weserved hot dogs.
Big Spook (23:50):
Oh, hell.
Yeah, no, that's his favoritefood of all time.
I understand that, boy.
Pinkie (23:55):
But they were the Costco hot dogs, so you know those are
better.
Big Spook (23:57):
The Costco?
Yeah.
I mean, Sam's and Costco to mehave the same dogs.
They're the same.
prices, man.
So it's like $1.50.
It's $1.38 at Sam's.
Really?
For the hot dog?
For
Speaker 04 (24:10):
the drink
Pinkie (24:11):
and the fucking hot dog.
Oh, okay.
Well, it's $1.50 at
Big Spook (24:14):
Costco.
Have you had their pizza?
Do they serve pizza at Costco?
They do.
Yeah.
Holy shit, they're good.
So Sam's has a badass pizza.
I'm like, dude, I could buy awhole large pizza and bring it
home, which I've done before.
And it's good.
Like, it's really, there'snothing bad about it.
Everything's good about it.
I'm like, damn, it's really
Pinkie (24:31):
good.
I always tell Bella, I'm like,we should go.
I I don't have one that closeto me.
I mean, it's like 15 minutesfor me, 15, 20.
But if it was closer, I'dprobably be eating there
regularly.
Just go in, get some food.
Get what you need and walk out.
LOCA LISA (24:47):
I like it when they have them on the outside where
you don't actually have to goin.
They
Big Spook (24:53):
have them on the
LOCA LISA (24:53):
outside?
Yeah, almost like a walk-upwindow.
Is
Big Spook (24:56):
this Costco though?
Yeah.
Oh, so you
Pinkie (24:59):
have to go in.
I
Big Spook (25:00):
want a Costco.
Excuse me, I want a Costcocard.
I want to go check it outbecause we've been going to
Sam's forever.
And I told Angela, I said, youget a Costco card, I have the
Sam's card.
Yeah.
And let's just go back andforth, you know, whatever we
want to do.
Because I think Costco hasthings that Sam's doesn't.
Yeah, they do that.
They sell liquor at Costco?
LOCA LISA (25:22):
No, they sell wine.
I could have
Big Spook (25:24):
swore somebody told me they sell liquor there and I
don't think they do it at Sam's,but they do sell wine and beers
at Sam's.
I know that much.
Look how we jumped 80 years.
Went from suicide to Well,
Speaker 01 (25:34):
y'all said hot dogs, and we kind of went off on
Speaker 04 (25:37):
that.
We said Blanco.
That's all I needed.
Speaker 01 (25:40):
If he didn't have hot dogs.
Oh, my
Speaker 04 (25:42):
God.
Okay, let me go back to thestory.
So if anybody out there hasanything like stories, or I know
a lot of people who went to BA,and if you knew about this, him
going to school with us, and ifyou didn't know about it, I'd
like to hear y'all's comment, orif you had a class with him, or
if you remember anything abouthim, even from Richardson High
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school hit us
Speaker 01 (26:05):
up on did you hear about it
Speaker 04 (26:06):
yeah what did you hear about it were you in the
classroom like the person that ii know which was crazy but um
yeah i couldn't only imaginewhat it would be like if i was
in that classroom like would ibe more fucked up than i am now
Speaker 02 (26:19):
i guess i really didn't experience much
Speaker 04 (26:21):
that's i mean you realize that like if you were in
a classroom and some shit likethis happened how are you as an
adult today
Speaker 02 (26:30):
yeah
Speaker 04 (26:31):
like i don't know i mean what's the most what's most
weirdest or mind blowing thinghappened to you
Speaker 02 (26:38):
and how did it affect you
Speaker 04 (26:40):
yeah did it affect you you how about you have you
had anything happen to you likeanything it don't have to be
like a shooting or like somebodybust their knee open or fucking
twist an ankle really bad I
Speaker 02 (26:52):
mean my parents fought in a restaurant
Speaker 04 (26:58):
was that when all our aunts were in there
Speaker 02 (27:00):
all the family was up in the circle girl that
Speaker 04 (27:02):
was a that was a family of right there
Speaker 02 (27:04):
that could man that could have been on a episode of
something
Speaker 04 (27:07):
that shit right there I would have had his own
show like literally would havehad his own fucking show Pinky
do you remember anything thattragically happened and did it
affect you in any way as ayoungster
Speaker 01 (27:17):
as a youngster no
Speaker 04 (27:20):
no
Speaker 01 (27:22):
I'm trying to
Speaker 04 (27:22):
think what is the what is the most weirdest so in
high school what happened
Speaker 01 (27:26):
well I mean I know that there were oh my god we
were like freaking seven eightyears old My parents were out of
the house.
Nobody died or anything likethat.
But the police were after thiscouple.
And somehow me and my siblingsallowed these people to come and
hide in our home while myparents were away.
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I don't even know what broughtthis up just now.
I guess your question.
But the police was all in ourhouse.
My parents got home.
They're like, what the hell isgoing on?
And we're like, we don't know.
And the couple was pushing onthe door.
so the cops wouldn't come in
Speaker 04 (28:05):
yeah
Speaker 01 (28:05):
and we're just like we didn't know what the hell we
just were letting I honestlydon't remember
Speaker 04 (28:12):
how long were you in prison is what I need to
Speaker 01 (28:14):
know like what the
Speaker 04 (28:15):
fuck like that's
Speaker 01 (28:16):
some like well if you must know I was in there for
a year what was they calling ita bank I'm kidding I was never
in prison
Speaker 04 (28:23):
holy shit isn't that crazy that's nuts like I've had
some shit happen when I was akid okay so one thing that
happened when I was a kid was Ilived with my we lived with a
okay let me back it up lisa'smom was the youngest of the
sisters right and uncle peterwas the youngest well he was
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second youngest oh no he was thebaby wasn't he
Speaker 02 (28:47):
he is the baby he's
Speaker 04 (28:48):
the baby yeah so i remember all of us live with
grandma and grandpa on gastonavenue and down in dallas
Speaker 02 (28:55):
all of who
Speaker 04 (28:56):
like it was your mom it was uncle peter it was my
mom myself uh I want to say AuntLucy, maybe not.
Speaker 02 (29:06):
Josie, probably.
Speaker 04 (29:07):
Josie was already off with Domingo.
I think my mom had alreadygotten divorced.
So we're living with grandmaand grandpa.
Speaker 02 (29:16):
Okay.
Speaker 04 (29:17):
Okay.
So this house, the next doorneighbor was this old black man.
And it kind of reminds me ofSanford's son, like this guy.
He would dress that way andhe'd always come outside.
Grandpa would say hi to him andthey, you know, just a little
short talk.
One day, I'm there at home andI'm on the front porch and our
front porch didn't have a screenbut it was big enough for us
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you know it was a nice old houseI don't know if it's still
there or not but anyways Iremember looking next door and
the old man wasn't there and Iwant to say he used to go
collect junk like metal shit andsell it well I remember these
two guys and this had to be the70s late 70s because I remember
they had this long fluffy hairand they were white guys one of
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them had Had a mustache with noteven a whole goatee.
It was a goatee, but no beard.
And then the other guy, theywere both wearing blue jean
jackets and blue jeans.
And they were walking aroundhis house.
And I was like, what the fuckthese guys doing?
This is weird.
I was a kid.
I didn't know what the fuck washappening.
Well, I'm up there watching andI see them coming back and
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forth taking stuff to their car.
I had to be like eight yearsold, maybe.
Eight or nine.
And I'm looking and the policecome over And the man from next
door comes, he gets home andhe's like, he just got robbed.
There's something happening.
He didn't want to know ifanybody saw anything.
And mom and all them, I don'tknow, nobody saw anything.
And, you know, grandpa waslike, no, I was at work, nobody
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saw anything.
And they don't want you, if yousaw something, you didn't see
nothing.
You know what I'm saying?
It's that type of shit.
I said, out of the blue, Ipeeked my head and I said, I
saw, I saw two white men.
Man, my mom pushed me back inand she didn't see nothing.
I said, no, I did and they saidwe need to talk to him
Speaker 03 (31:05):
and
Speaker 04 (31:06):
I remember them coming and pulling me out and my
mom was like freaking out andeverybody was like listening to
me through the door and my momwas standing out there and I
think grandpa was out there andI told them what they looked
like and who they were but Iremember one of the guys with
the mustache he turned andlooked at me I guess he didn't
think twice well that kid ain'tgonna fucking remember me he's a
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fucking kid I remembered to theT found out like maybe a couple
days later they caught them itwas a father and son duo who
would go and break into people'shouses and take shit so that
started me off as thinking as ayoung kid damn I just saw a
robbery you know what I'm sayingthis is a robbery that just
happened in front of the housein the 70s and I'm looking at
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this shit and they're walkingaround carrying things out from
my next door neighbor did ittraumatize me no but it made me
think of shit different it mademe think of okay not everybody's
nice them white guys they badthey
Speaker 02 (32:02):
bad as hell especially if they have a long
mustache with no
Speaker 04 (32:07):
beard no beard mustache he had like I call them
motorcycle handlebars somethinglike that that's what
Speaker 03 (32:12):
it looked like
Speaker 04 (32:13):
I was like this fucker hair man so I remember
that happening and then when Igot inside they were like you
can't be doing that the onlything that traumatized me at
that house was I got up onenight to get some water and I
was a kid I went to the kitchenand I remember there was this
orange fucking chair an old ass70s orange chair it was by the
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telephone and I went and gotwater and I screamed and yelled
like a little bitch becausethere was a fucking rat as big
as like as big as a man's shoeand I was a kid and that bitch
ran around me on the wall andran underneath my legs and I
screamed and yelled and herecomes grandma running in you
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know with her nightgown andgrandpa gets up blah blah blah
and I said and she goes matalayou got to kill those damn we'll
kill it so i remember that wehad these big rats and they
fucking it traumatized me to thepoint when i was older and i
found a fucking mouse in myhouse i was like fuck it brought
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me back to life when i was akid that's the only thing that
traumatized me so i can onlyimagine being there and seeing
somebody go up to the front ofthe room and shoot themselves
Speaker 03 (33:26):
yeah
Speaker 04 (33:27):
as a kid as an adult as an adult i've seen a lot of
shit and it's kind of it kind ofnumbed that for me like seeing
stuff like that like uhshootouts i i was in a shootout
where i heard bullets going bymy ears i was i was i've seen
people get shot i've seen andand the first time you see
somebody get shot you're like ohfuck he got he got shot like
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what the hell and it's not a tvthing it's an actual thing and
it doesn't happen like tv theyget shot they yell and they're
like ow that burns it's not likeuh and they fall they fucking
shoot and they're running andand running, and then they fall.
They don't realize it.
They don't realize whathappened, right?
Oh, that's something stunning.
Like, you saw something bit me.
Speaker 02 (34:10):
Exactly.
Everybody laughed at him, butthat's probably really what it's
like.
Speaker 04 (34:15):
That shit felt just like a bee sting or something.
And the closest I got wasskinned, and that shit burned.
And it was on my pinky.
And if it would have been likea centimeter over it, I probably
would have lost a pinky.
Speaker 02 (34:29):
You would have had a pin.
You would have had a
Speaker 03 (34:31):
pin instead of a pinky.
Speaker 04 (34:33):
hell yeah little nub and shit oh mc nub that would
have been my name but that thatshit would and if i was and i
was a kid whenever i would seeshoot a stupid gang shit that i
went through when i was youngerbut did it traumatize me as much
as it would have did when i wasin high school like sitting
there see somebody come in andshoot themselves i don't know i
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don't know i think it's more ofa mindset of i hate to say this
but how soft your mind is likewhat have you seen in like
Speaker 02 (35:04):
I think maybe the children of those kids probably
suffered you know like of theparents were probably no like
yeah of the kids that were inthe classroom when they grew up
and had children they wereprobably way overprotective
Speaker 03 (35:23):
yeah
Speaker 02 (35:23):
and imagine imagine like being a teenager and being
like man I can't do nothing ormy parents homeschool me because
when they were in school somekid blew his head off in class.
Speaker 01 (35:34):
Imagine the teacher, because she sent him off to the
principal's office.
Speaker 04 (35:38):
And they said she's never been the same.
Speaker 01 (35:39):
I bet.
I forgot
Speaker 04 (35:41):
her name.
You said it again.
Speaker 01 (35:42):
It was Faye.
I was like, man.
So he ended up getting the gunfrom the dad's female friend.
Speaker 04 (35:49):
So they did find out who he got
Speaker 01 (35:51):
the gun
Speaker 04 (35:52):
from.
Oh, so he had a female friendalready.
Speaker 01 (35:55):
And he had written notes to a couple of friends.
I heard that he wrotesomething, but I didn't know
that.
Yeah, and he had sentcassettes.
Basically, he was saying, Idon't hate myself.
I just hate the situation I'min, like with my parents.
I moved to a new school.
I don't have any friends.
I feel like I don't fit in iswhat it was.
Speaker 04 (36:13):
Yeah.
See, I don't know.
I didn't know him in BryanAdams.
But I know...
He
Speaker 01 (36:19):
had been in a psychiatric hospital, too.
I know he had.
Oh, he did.
See,
Speaker 04 (36:24):
I didn't know him.
But when I saw his face, I knewI've seen him.
Speaker 03 (36:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 04 (36:30):
And when I saw the faces around him...
I knew that wasn't Richardson.
I was like, that's fuckingwhere I went to school.
Like those people I saw in myschool.
And, and to say that, did, didI ever rub elbows with him?
Did I ever pick on him?
No, I didn't pick on peoplelike me and Angela talked about
this.
I used to take up for people.
Like I was, I was always like,I did football and I did all
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that.
And then I did the gang thing.
Right.
Stupidity.
But I wouldn't let nobody pickon anybody like that.
Like my cousin was gay and Icouldn't stand it.
If you picked on my cousin,that's my cousin.
You don't do that.
You just let him be.
He loves who he loves.
He wants to be who he wants tobe.
Is it affecting you?
No.
Then leave it be.
You know what I'm saying?
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We only got one life on thisearth and if you want to live it
the way you want to live it tobe happy, be happy.
You know what I'm saying?
And a lot of people can't takethat.
And I can honestly say I neverpicked on this boy.
I never did anything wrong tothis boy.
I do remember him after I sawhis picture.
And it's vaguely rememberinghim.
And it was amazing how I couldput that together after seeing
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it online, his picture, andbeing like, I know that face.
And it threw me for a loop.
I'm like, this is crazy, man.
Speaker 01 (37:42):
People described him as just being a very sad boy
and they wish that they wouldhave befriended him.
Yeah, I
Speaker 04 (37:49):
could see that.
I guess anybody would say that,if I would have known.
You know what
Speaker 01 (37:55):
I'm saying?
Yeah, but you don't.
That's the thing.
People don't pick up on thosecues.
Speaker 04 (38:00):
And I saw this today, as a matter of fact, as a
online it was saying be nice topeople because you don't know
what they've been through todayor you don't know what they're
going through you know what I'msaying and I could be an asshole
I really can and I could bestupid and be pissed off if
somebody cuts me off I'm likeshoot the finger off bitch but
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in my mind that's just stupidityat that time because it
aggravated me but how do I knowhe just didn't lose somebody or
she didn't lose somebody or youknow their dog passed away or
they just lost their job youknow what I'm saying we don't
think that way we think fastfast fast go go go in this
society and for that kid who wasa kid when I was a kid like he
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was 15 I had to be about 16 Ihad to be 16 years old at least
I was a sophomore and to havehim that close and find out that
this song was written about himand it was somebody who was
right there in my vicinity likewhat do they call that whenever
you're 5 people away from uhknowing whatever his name was um
Speaker 01 (39:07):
you go into this mode of what what could i have
done
Speaker 04 (39:11):
yeah like
Speaker 01 (39:12):
what how could i have affected anything changed
that yeah
Speaker 04 (39:15):
and you really can't because i don't think that's
that's the way it's supposed tobe planned out to be so i didn't
know that he left i knew heleft a note but i didn't know he
left tapes and notes yeahthat's uh interesting because
and then it was more about hissituation with his family and he
probably wasn't more happier atBryan Adams he probably who
(39:38):
knows he would have did it therewe don't
Speaker 01 (39:40):
know yeah I mean it had to have been more so much
more if he was in a in a psychhospital yeah well maybe it was
from the same thing like wherehe because that wasn't that
wasn't his first time that hehad that he had said that he
wanted to commit that he wantedto commit suicide
Speaker 04 (39:56):
and we've been well I say we've been through that
I've been through that with mymy daughter and And then, you
know, a couple of people in myfamily and I was like, man, it's
not easy because you feel likethere's nothing you can possibly
do.
That is the worst feeling youcould be as a parent and not
being able to be that hero, thatperson who can just make it all
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better.
You can't just hug them and sayit's going to be you can do
that, but it's not going to doanything.
You know, and it's it takes ittakes that person to have the
power, but it takes you to givethat power to be that back that
that You got to be thatbackbone.
Speaker 01 (40:34):
Yeah.
And I think the worst partabout that is, is even when you
do seek help, like I knowsomeone that was kind of, that
was close to me ended up goingto one of those places because
this person also, you know, hadwanted to commit suicide or was
cutting, they were cuttingthemselves.
Oh yeah.
And one of the, one of thethings that was mentioned, um,
(40:55):
was that they would manhandlethem inside.
So can you just imagine you'realready going through all of
Speaker 04 (41:02):
this
Speaker 01 (41:02):
and And then, yeah.
So, I mean, that could havebeen something else that he had
to deal with.
I mean, you just don't know.
I believe
Speaker 04 (41:08):
that.
I really believe that.
You see stories about that,right?
Or you see shows.
Even Happy Gilmore had that oneguy who treated his grandmother
like shit when she was lockedup and, you know, with the old
folks
Speaker 01 (41:19):
on.
Oh, my God, yes.
You know what I'm talking
Speaker 04 (41:21):
about?
Yes.
And that's just...
That's a playful way, but itreally happens to the point of
who's taking care of the peoplethat you love?
You know what I'm saying?
Whenever they're locked up.
And if...
So, yeah, whenever my daughterwent away and got help and came
back and she had a lot ofsearching to do and she found
herself and I'm happy and I'mhappy that I'm happy that I'm
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still here to talk to herbecause at one time I didn't
care if I was locked up the restof my life to do something to
somebody who had hurt her.
And after being talked downfrom somebody, my friend who
actually did time, I said, bro,10, 15, years ago we could
handle this he goes but your hegoes your kids need you outside
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they don't need you inside
Speaker 01 (42:07):
yeah because you can't do anything from behind
bars
Speaker 04 (42:10):
and that that really made me think that right there
stopped me from even thinkingabout it and just focusing on
her and and that's somethingthat some a lot of these kids
don't have so at the end of theat the end of the little
document well the narration Idid it was like you know we
don't pay attention to the lowvoices of these kids or Or
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adults, too.
We don't hear their silentyells.
And I wrote a song about ourex-guitarist.
He was our guitarist until hekilled himself.
And I wrote a song after acouple of months, and I call it
Scream.
And in my mind, I'm thinking,in his mind, being him, what is
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it like to do that?
Like, I put myself in asituation of all that you're
going through, all the thingsthat running through your mind
can anybody hear me scream or isit just me in my own head
yelling like and I wonder ifthat's how it is or some of
these people and they're sotired of screaming in their own
head nobody helping them thatthey just say heck with it I
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don't know man it's it's uh itsucks and I'm I wanted to touch
on this song because I I meanthis this this person because I
didn't realize how close it wasto home even that we live in the
same town or the same or wherehe used to live in.
It went deeper than that.
Speaker 01 (43:36):
Or that you knew anyone that was close to him.
Speaker 04 (43:38):
Yeah, I mean, it's crazy.
So, okay, here's what I'm goingto do.
If you know anybody who needsany help and you're thinking
suicide, there's people outthere that can help you.
Help is available.
You can pick up your phone anddial
988-SUICIDE-IN-CRISIS-LIFELINEand they'll help you.
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They're available 24 hours aday.
They speak English, Spanish,and you can text 988.
You can call 988.
Hell, you can even chat.
But get help.
It's out there.
And I'm glad the guy wrote it.
Do y'all think writing thissong and getting as popular as
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they got from this song, likethere's more songs they got
popular from, but this is one ofthe ones.
You think that was in a bad wayor did it need to
Speaker 01 (44:29):
be thrown out?
I mean, this could have beensomething that he read the story
and he's like shit this is howI felt before so he felt
compelled to write it yeah itcould have been a situation he
probably didn't speak it but heprobably had those same feelings
and felt that he had he was avoice for that person
Speaker 04 (44:45):
there's a lot of musicians who go through a
Speaker 01 (44:49):
lot of the artists
Speaker 04 (44:50):
a lot of artists period like painters
Speaker 02 (44:52):
I mean Kurt Cobain
Speaker 04 (44:53):
oh yeah
Speaker 02 (44:54):
I don't see any negative from
Speaker 04 (44:56):
the
Speaker 02 (44:57):
song if anything it just brought more awareness
Speaker 04 (45:00):
I think it brought more more awareness.
I didn't see anything bad aboutit.
I think it, I think it gotbigger than what they thought it
was going to get.
Like that song is just known.
It's a great, it's great.
It's put together.
Great.
And the words that come outafter, you know, the story, and
then you find out that it'sactually based on some true
events.
Speaker 01 (45:21):
I knew this song before I even knew anything like
really like,
Speaker 04 (45:24):
yeah, me too.
Speaker 01 (45:26):
The story, the true story.
Yeah.
Speaker 04 (45:27):
I knew the song.
And then, then I heard, Oh,it's, it's about a kid who
actually killed himself.
And I'm like, no shit and thenit's like yeah he killed himself
in the Dallas area I'm likewhat the fuck you know I don't
know it's just it really got meand I wanted to talk about it
and it was supposed to be oursecond show but I decided we'd
put it first because I've beenreally I stayed up late putting
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this stuff together
Speaker 01 (45:50):
last night you were eager to get it out I was
Speaker 04 (45:51):
so eager to get it out and then everything that I
found out yesterday about megoing to school with this kid I
was like man
Speaker 01 (45:58):
even more
Speaker 04 (46:00):
yeah it's crazy I needed to get it out and to our
listeners I know this isn't anormal one we usually cut up and
you know X stupid do our thingbut this is something I wanted
to touch on and maybe it helpssome people out there who going
through it or who didn't knowanything about Jeremy
Speaker 03 (46:17):
the
Speaker 04 (46:17):
song like there's a lot of young listeners out there
too who maybe didn't know thereal story yeah so yeah once
again 988 is lifeline if youneed any help or you have any
suicidal thoughts.
There's people out there andthey can help you 24 hours a
day.
English or Spanish.
Speaking other languages, I'mpretty sure they can help you
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the same way.
So, on that note, live long andprosper.
Speaker 01 (46:46):
Because you never know where the force may take
you.
Peace.
Bye.
Disclaimer.
Speaker 02 (47:27):
Some of these facts have not been shared.
These are just
Speaker 04 (47:30):
our opinions.
Please don't come to our showfor actual news.
For help on suicide preventionor if you need somebody to talk
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to, call the Suicide PreventionLifeline number, 1-800-273-8255.
Or you can call the three-digitnumber it was converted to,
988.
There's always somebody to talkto.
Today on The Effin' Crunch Crew, it's story time.
Now, I know I've been taking usfor little rides here about
people I went to high schoolwith, some who got murdered, but
this one takes the cake.
I did not realize until justyesterday that I went to school
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with the boy behind the song,Jeremy.
Yeah, we're talking about PearlJam.
So, kick back, relax, and let'sget into it.
Coming up next on The Effin'Crunch Crew.
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I'm COVID free.
So this show is going to takeoff with kind of like me just
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discuss it and then we'll do ourregular stuff.
So we're going to pick up on itright about now.
So y'all kick back and listen.
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January 8th, 1991.
A cold morning in Richardson,Texas.
At Richardson High School,students walked into their
classrooms like any other day.
But for 15-year-old Jeremy WadeDelle, this day would be his
last.
What happened in that classroomwould not only shock his
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classmates, his teachers, andthe entire Dallas area, but
years later, it would echoacross the world in one of the
most haunting rock songs everwritten.
Jeremy Wade Delle was just akid, a 15-year-old boy from
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Richardson, Texas, who, like somany other teenagers, struggled.
Teachers described him asartistic, a quiet, sometimes
troubled young man who hadbounced between living with his
mother and his father aftertheir divorce.
Court documents showed he hadalready been dealing with
truancy issues, skippingclasses, struggling to stay
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motivated, Some classmates saidhe seemed withdrawn.
Others remember him as someonewho wanted to fit in, but
carried a heavy sadness.
His story was the story of somany kids, a little lost, a
little overlooked, carrying painhe couldn't always show.
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That morning, Jeremy showed uplate to class.
He had a pass in hand, but notfrom the office.
Instead, he carried somethingfar more devastating.
In front of the classroom fullof students, Jeremy pulled out a
handgun, raised it, put it inhis mouth, and pulled the
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trigger before anyone could stophim.
The room was frozen, shocked,terrified.
His classmates ran screaminginto the hallways.
His teacher, traumatized, wouldnever be the same.
It wasn't just another tragedyin Dallas.
It was a moment that wouldtravel far beyond Richardson
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High.
Now, here's where the storytook a turn into music history.
Across the country in Seattle,a rising band called Pearl Jam
had just started making waves.
Their lead singer, EddieVedder, was reading the morning
paper and came across Jeremy'sstory.
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The headline, the details, thehaunting reality of a young boy
who felt invisible.
It stuck with him.
Vedder later said, I rememberreading about it and being
struck by how it said he triedto speak, but no one was really
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listening.
And that's when he decided tospeak the loudest way possible.
And out of that, the songJeremy was born.
With its chilling chorus,Jeremy spoke in class today.
Eddie Vedder turned a localDallas tragedy into a worldwide
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anthem about youth despair,alienation, and the dangers of
silence.
When Pearl Jam released Jeremyin 1992, It hit hard.
The music video, with itsdisturbing imagery of a boy
standing before his classmates,became iconic.
But here's the thing.
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Many who saw it didn't know thereal Jeremy.
They didn't know Jeremy WadeDell, the teenager from
Richardson who loved art, whowas trying to find his place in
a world that didn't seem to makespace for him.
His classmates carried that daywith them forever.
For them, it wasn't just asong.
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It was real.
And to this day, RichardsonHigh School remembers.
Jeremy's story became biggerthan Dallas, bigger than Texas.
It became a warning and areminder about what happens when
we don't hear the voices of ouryoung, the hurting and the
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invisible.
So next time you hear thathaunting Pearl Jam track, think
of Jeremy Wade Delle.
Think of the boy fromRichardson, Texas, and the echo
of his final words that stillripple through speakers more
than 30 years later.
Jeremy spoke in class today.
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So first off, what'd y'allthink about that?
Pinkie (07:04):
I never knew.
I think you and I were talkingabout this earlier.
I never knew that I knew whathe was, who he was talking
about, but I didn't know he wasfrom Richardson.
Big Spook (07:12):
Yeah.
And I found out so much goinginto this because as I was doing
research on it, I heard thesong like last week and I'm
like, man, that was a badasssong.
And I remember it took place inRichardson.
And what's funny is my kidswent to school there.
Their mom went to school there,you know, and I looked at it
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was 1991 whenever he took hislife but I started looking into
it deeper and I remember seeingthe picture that would come up
with it and I said that kidlooks so familiar right and I
looked at the picture and I'mlike I know the kids around him
in the picture like I rememberthem because but they were at my
school they were at my highschool and I said there's no way
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so I looked it up and I saidwell before he killed himself at
Richardson High School did hego to any other high school?
To my shock, I went to schoolwith him.
Pinkie (08:10):
That's crazy.
LOCA LISA (08:11):
Was it like he went to your school freshman year and
then moved to Richardson theyear after?
Big Spook (08:18):
Yes, so his parents got divorced while he was at
Bryan Adams High School.
They split up, so he ended upstaying with his dad.
His dad lived in Richardsonarea.
He went to school there and hewas a freshman I was a
sophomore.
And I remember vividly becauseI have the yearbook, right?
So I came home and I opened upthe yearbook and he was in
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there.
And it was the picture thatI've seen always because in
freshman year, our cousin Juniorwas a freshman during this time
at BA, at Brown Adams too.
So I remember looking at it andI had to walk out of my office
because I'm like, that is soclose to home to have a song so
iconic be that close, right?
I thought me living inRichardson was close enough.
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You know what I'm saying?
And then I thought, well, mykids went there and their mom
went there.
That was close enough.
But to even be that much closerto what's like almost a full
circle for me that we went toschool together.
We were in the same we're inthe same freaking, you know,
yearbook.
And I'm like, holy crap.
LOCA LISA (09:20):
Yeah, I thought it happened at, you know, where he
went to where he went tofreshman because I was like, oh,
my gosh.
So right now, when we talkedabout it before we started
recording, when you told me thatit it wasn't and that it was in
Richardson I was like oh manthis whole time I thought it was
Big Spook (09:38):
you thought it was Bryan Adams yeah I thought it
was Bryan Adams yeah I I knew itwas Richardson after the fact
because I remember back in theday I was like okay where did
this kid kill himself and stufflike that gets me like if we
hear a song and somebody tellsme oh man that happened in like
Wichita I'm like what what waywhat part of Wichita I've been
there before you know well Iwanted to know and then to find
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out it happened here you know inthe city that I live in it was
just crazy um But then it wentdeeper because I went to school
together.
I went to Bryan Adams inDallas.
That's where I went to.
And when I saw that, I was justblown away.
But it went even deeper thanthat because I talked to a
friend of mine and I didn't knowhe had siblings.
And I talked to this friendtoday and I was like, my friend
(10:24):
was telling me, I said, hey,we're doing a podcast show about
Jeremy, the song that Pearl Jamwrote.
And she was like, Joe, hissister was one of my best
friends.
I was like, what?
Like, what the fuck?
I didn't know he had a sister.
Was she older?
She was older, yeah.
She was older.
And I was like, okay.
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And sure enough, man, I waslooking at her and she sent me a
picture to see her.
And I was like, okay.
I said, I don't think Iremember her.
Like, I don't remember her.
Maybe.
And then she sent me a pictureto see.
But anyways, beyond that, I waslike, wow, this is deep.
So I started looking at EddieVedder.
Like, what made made him writeabout this song because the kid,
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Jeremy, was very artistic.
I don't know how he was in BA.
Could it happen there?
Was he that depressed?
A lot had to do with hisparents being divorced and
split.
That affects kids a lot,especially at that age.
At that teenage, 15 years old,you think it's your fault or
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something happened, and I hatethat.
But at the same time, I'mthinking to myself, it happened
here and it says he couldn't getalong with people here.
He didn't have a place to fitwhen he transferred to BA.
And he transferred at the timewhere he was going to be a
sophomore, right?
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So whenever he started schoolin Richardson, he became a
sophomore.
And he was only there for likesix months, I want to say.
But he came in and he startedrebelling against everything his
home he saw counselors with hisdad because he was getting in
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trouble at school and so theyset up counselors to meet with
him and his father and I'm notsure if his mom did anything but
it talked about that and thathe just felt alone he became
friends with this one girl atRichardson High School that she
talks about it in one of theinterviews I saw and he was
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basically it was like wheneveryou go to school and you get in
trouble, you go to detention orwhatever it is.
So he was in detention a lot,and so was she.
And they would write each othernotes, and on the note, he
would say, write back.
And she would get it, read it,and she would
Pinkie (12:46):
write back.
We used to do that, I remember.
We used to do that, and then W,and then the WB.
Yeah, yeah, so to write back.
Big Spook (12:54):
So he said, he would say, write back, write back,
and it happened to go on a lot.
She said the last time she gotone from him, he put something
like, I don't know if this is,don't quote me on this, see you
on the other side or see you.
So he had already had in hishead that something was going to
happen, right?
And she thought that was weirdbecause that was the last
message she got from him onpaper.
Pinkie (13:15):
Can I read this, what I just found about that?
I guess it's about that.
It says, Jeremy Wade Delle wasa quiet student known for his
sadness.
After arriving late to class,he was sent to the principal's
office to fill out a tardy slip.
He returned to the classroomwith a .35 357 Magnum Revolver,
I don't know how you say that.
(13:36):
Yeah, yeah, 357.
Stated, Miss, I got what Ireally went for.
Put the gun in his mouth andpulled the trigger before anyone
could react.
Yeah,
Big Spook (13:45):
yeah.
Pinkie (13:45):
That is so freaking sad.
I was going to
Big Spook (13:48):
tell you that because the teacher, when he
walked in, it was an Englishclass.
And the teacher's name startedwith an F.
I forgot her whole name.
But yeah, he did say that.
And that was also said onanother thing that I heard.
So the same words that you justsaid is what he said to the
teacher.
He had been in trouble.
He'd always be late for thisEnglish class, and that
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particular day he went out, gothis gun, came back in.
Where he got the gun, theystill don't know, which is
weird.
LOCA LISA (14:18):
So a student...
Meaning it wasn't missing fromhis parents?
Big Spook (14:23):
Yeah, they couldn't figure...
I don't know if they figured itout now, but from what I saw
research, they didn't tell meanything.
I didn't learn anything.
What I did know was the peoplewho witnessed it Witnessed by
this meaning the people who satin this classroom but the people
outside the classroom who werein the hallways there was one
kid and he said that he wasgetting into his locker and he
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was working his combination andhe heard something and he said
he thought it was like a heavybook that slammed to the ground
and come to find out it was agun going off.
He said he thought it was abook until a girl ran out of
that classroom yelling a blondegirl ran out she was yelling and
crying, and then he peeked inand he saw Jeremy's body on the
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ground, gun next to him, andblood everywhere.
And then he saw studentsholding up the teacher because
the teacher was in shock, likeshe almost fainted.
And I was like, whoa.
And then to go even furtherthan that, I met somebody who
was actually in the class whenthat happened, right, as a
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student.
And I never talked to themabout it because I really don't
know them that well but to findout that they were in the class
at that time was kind of likecreepy
LOCA LISA (15:38):
as hell yeah what was that experience like I know in
the video there's like kids withtheir like shocked face and
like blood splatter on theirface and they're all wearing
white that's exactly what he wastalking about earlier
Big Spook (15:51):
they're all wearing white and shit and so the
director of the video had put ittogether to you know they read
up on everything so the songitself I gotta get to that point
Eddie Vedder wrote the song buthe he never knew Jeremy.
But one of the sentences hesays, clearly I remember picking
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on the boy.
Okay, but how do you do that?
So he, in an interview, saidthat the song was about Jeremy
and another boy named Brian.
Brian went to school with himwhen he was in high school.
And he would always get into afight with this kid.
And this kid had a similaritythat Jeremy had.
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He brought a gun to school, buthe brought it to shoot up the
place.
Oh, dang.
So he didn't shoot nobody.
He didn't hit nobody, but hedid get in trouble for it.
So he would always pick on thiskid.
They'd fight, and this kidactually hit him in the face
with his left hook or whatever.
It was just something that hethrew in the song.
But I was like, damn.
Okay, so he put these together,and the video itself was they
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wore white.
They were in the classroom, andthey all pointed at Jeremy.
LOCA LISA (17:01):
Yeah, they were all almost like, huh?
Yeah,
Big Spook (17:04):
laughing at him.
Look at you.
And so people who watched thisvideo at first thought it was
about a kid who went into aclassroom and shot the students.
Because you notice on theirfaces, they just paused like
they're dead.
They actually have the bloodsplatter from him shooting
himself.
And people didn't realize thatat first.
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And I was like, damn, that'spretty crazy.
So they talk about him paintingin his video like he's got a
vivid vivid mindset of colorslike he talks about the sun
being orange and yellows andthese v-shaped hands up in the
air and i saw an actual paintingthat that uh Jeremy did and it
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was beautiful he's 15 year oldhe had great talent it was a
painting of this elephant andthe elephant looks so real i was
like man that is awesome thiskid had really good talent
Pinkie (17:59):
i read that he had won an award at the state fair
Big Spook (18:02):
oh he did i didn't read that part That's how good
he was.
He was a really, reallytalented kid, man.
I was like, dude, for him to gothrough whatever he was going
through and take it out onhimself like that, that's
horrible.
But I remember looking at it.
And so I asked my son, I said,hey, do you remember that song?
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It's way before your time.
And he's like, oh, yeah.
He goes, that classroom wasnext door to a classroom that I
used to go to.
And it's still there.
So during the shooting this isfucking weird nobody got sent
home they continued school
LOCA LISA (18:40):
that's crazy
Big Spook (18:41):
like nowadays you fucking find a gun you're gone
right no they continued schoolyou could go home if your
parents came to pick you up butthey continued it and they had a
bunch of counselors come in tohelp counsel the kids I won't
give a fuck I'm leaving I don'twant to be there how
Pinkie (18:57):
could you in a room full of blood or if you find out if
your son calls you and is likeoh my god this kid just blew his
his head off in the class
Big Spook (19:04):
yeah
LOCA LISA (19:05):
you're gonna be like I'm about to pick you up
Big Spook (19:07):
well remember there was no phones back then like
kids can afford phones back thenyeah that's true we had brick
phones and shit back then if youhad one you
LOCA LISA (19:14):
know so imagine imagine if your son comes home
at the end of the day like afour o'clock and he's like guess
what happened at 8 30 yeah andyou're like what the school
didn't even it
Big Spook (19:23):
was nine something
LOCA LISA (19:24):
yeah yeah like you're like dang you they didn't let
us know or they didn't notifythe parents they didn't let
anybody go home oh they're
Big Spook (19:31):
being some deep shit nowadays yeah like uh you You
should have called me.
Like, what the fuck's wrongwith y'all?
So yeah, they kept the schoolopen, which I found very fucking
weird.
Like, why would you do that?
Especially after a shooting andsomebody, I don't know.
That was kind of weird to me tofind that out.
But yeah, so he wrote this songabout him.
And then as I was reading moreabout it, the kid who played him
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in the video actually died too.
LOCA LISA (20:00):
What?
Pinkie (20:01):
Yeah.
He died at a later age.
That was his only thing he wasever on.
He was on nothing else.
No movies, no other video.
That was the only video.
They only got him because helooked like him a little bit,
not much, after I saw thepictures.
But yeah, so he went.
They won awards for it, MTVAwards or whatever.
And the kid ended up dyingat...
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He wasn't a kid when he died.
He was like 30-something yearsold.
But he died of a weird-assaccident.
And I was like, that's fuckedup.
But I thought that was crazythat that shit all happened and
I was like damn dude this wastoo close to home for me it's
like and it still shocks me thatnumber one it's full circle now
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like this song has made it thewhole world around everybody
knows this beat this song likeJeremy spoke in class everybody
knows those words and I was likedude that's that's freaking
crazy I mean Pinkie said sheremembers hearing it like when
you but I was so young I meanwhen it happened I was 11 but
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then I was reading throughout Iguess the video didn't actually
that's probably why I said itwas like 93 for me because the
video that's when the video wasrecognized
Big Spook (21:16):
yeah because 92 was the album they had that was
their that was their debut albumwas 10 was the name of the
album and that was one of thetop three songs on their album
of all time and I was like damnso 91 You were just 11?
11.
Fuck, I was already out ofschool.
Pinkie (21:37):
Were you really?
No.
Big Spook (21:39):
I was...
I want to say I was supposed tograduate in 90, 91.
Yeah.
Pinkie (21:45):
Damn, you old.
Oh, really?
Just kidding.
No, I'm kidding.
Yeah, 91.
So, 93 by the time the videocame out.
Big Spook (21:53):
It's crazy because I was driving with...
I was driving with Jojo and hisgirlfriend and I said, why are
you so quiet?
I was telling them the storyabout it and...
She was like, man, you got alot of connections.
I said, what do you mean?
She goes, well, you do.
You can look at this storyyou're talking about.
You're connected to it in acertain way.
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And then the story you toldabout, we talked about last time
when you weren't here, you weresick.
We were talking about theBlockbuster murders.
That was a connection foractually Lisa and me because our
cousin was supposed to workthat night at that Blockbuster,
which he would have been dead alot sooner than what he is now.
He's passed for a couple yearsnow but yeah he that night I
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remember that guy who went inand killed them he killed one of
the guys I went to school withtoo so it's like it's weird it's
LOCA LISA (22:45):
all in the hood
Big Spook (22:46):
all in the hood everything leads back to Texas
yeah I want you to do that thisone guy one time told me this
one of my friends actually hecame to an interview with us
Ducato Vega he always told mewhen we were younger he'd be
like you know everything leadsto Texas he's from the Louisiana
I said what do you mean he goesjust watch from now on and see
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what at least happens you knowanything news anything that
happens serial killers whetherit's something that's happening
with the war whatever it leadsback to Texas and everything
leads back to Texas I thoughtthat was crazy yeah you missed
it man I would love to hear whatyou had to say today sucker
talking about he working working
LOCA LISA (23:26):
I think he's at home asleep
Big Spook (23:27):
he's out there playing with Gus Gus and feeding
coyotes
LOCA LISA (23:31):
I think he had I think he had too hard Hot dogs
for dinner.
Big Spook (23:34):
Oh, damn.
He probably did.
Hot
Pinkie (23:36):
dogs.
Him
LOCA LISA (23:36):
and his dogs.
Snuggled up with the dogs.
Big Spook (23:40):
With Gus Gus.
Stupid ass Gus.
Pinkie (23:43):
I thought about him for Bella's birthday.
She had a pool party and weserved hot dogs.
Big Spook (23:50):
Oh, hell.
Yeah, no, that's his favoritefood of all time.
I understand that, boy.
Pinkie (23:55):
But they were the Costco hot dogs, so you know those are
better.
Big Spook (23:57):
The Costco?
Yeah.
I mean, Sam's and Costco to mehave the same dogs.
They're the same.
prices, man.
So it's like $1.50.
It's $1.38 at Sam's.
Really?
For the hot dog?
For
Speaker 04 (24:10):
the drink
Pinkie (24:11):
and the fucking hot dog.
Oh, okay.
Well, it's $1.50 at
Big Spook (24:14):
Costco.
Have you had their pizza?
Do they serve pizza at Costco?
They do.
Yeah.
Holy shit, they're good.
So Sam's has a badass pizza.
I'm like, dude, I could buy awhole large pizza and bring it
home, which I've done before.
And it's good.
Like, it's really, there'snothing bad about it.
Everything's good about it.
I'm like, damn, it's really
Pinkie (24:31):
good.
I always tell Bella, I'm like,we should go.
I I don't have one that closeto me.
I mean, it's like 15 minutesfor me, 15, 20.
But if it was closer, I'dprobably be eating there
regularly.
Just go in, get some food.
Get what you need and walk out.
LOCA LISA (24:47):
I like it when they have them on the outside where
you don't actually have to goin.
They
Big Spook (24:53):
have them on the
LOCA LISA (24:53):
outside?
Yeah, almost like a walk-upwindow.
Is
Big Spook (24:56):
this Costco though?
Yeah.
Oh, so you
Pinkie (24:59):
have to go in.
I
Big Spook (25:00):
want a Costco.
Excuse me, I want a Costcocard.
I want to go check it outbecause we've been going to
Sam's forever.
And I told Angela, I said, youget a Costco card, I have the
Sam's card.
Yeah.
And let's just go back andforth, you know, whatever we
want to do.
Because I think Costco hasthings that Sam's doesn't.
Yeah, they do that.
They sell liquor at Costco?
LOCA LISA (25:22):
No, they sell wine.
I could have
Big Spook (25:24):
swore somebody told me they sell liquor there and I
don't think they do it at Sam's,but they do sell wine and beers
at Sam's.
I know that much.
Look how we jumped 80 years.
Went from suicide to Well,
Speaker 01 (25:34):
y'all said hot dogs, and we kind of went off on
Speaker 04 (25:37):
that.
We said Blanco.
That's all I needed.
Speaker 01 (25:40):
If he didn't have hot dogs.
Oh, my
Speaker 04 (25:42):
God.
Okay, let me go back to thestory.
So if anybody out there hasanything like stories, or I know
a lot of people who went to BA,and if you knew about this, him
going to school with us, and ifyou didn't know about it, I'd
like to hear y'all's comment, orif you had a class with him, or
if you remember anything abouthim, even from Richardson High
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school hit us
Speaker 01 (26:05):
up on did you hear about it
Speaker 04 (26:06):
yeah what did you hear about it were you in the
classroom like the person that ii know which was crazy but um
yeah i couldn't only imaginewhat it would be like if i was
in that classroom like would ibe more fucked up than i am now
Speaker 02 (26:19):
i guess i really didn't experience much
Speaker 04 (26:21):
that's i mean you realize that like if you were in
a classroom and some shit likethis happened how are you as an
adult today
Speaker 02 (26:30):
yeah
Speaker 04 (26:31):
like i don't know i mean what's the most what's most
weirdest or mind blowing thinghappened to you
Speaker 02 (26:38):
and how did it affect you
Speaker 04 (26:40):
yeah did it affect you you how about you have you
had anything happen to you likeanything it don't have to be
like a shooting or like somebodybust their knee open or fucking
twist an ankle really bad I
Speaker 02 (26:52):
mean my parents fought in a restaurant
Speaker 04 (26:58):
was that when all our aunts were in there
Speaker 02 (27:00):
all the family was up in the circle girl that
Speaker 04 (27:02):
was a that was a family of right there
Speaker 02 (27:04):
that could man that could have been on a episode of
something
Speaker 04 (27:07):
that shit right there I would have had his own
show like literally would havehad his own fucking show Pinky
do you remember anything thattragically happened and did it
affect you in any way as ayoungster
Speaker 01 (27:17):
as a youngster no
Speaker 04 (27:20):
no
Speaker 01 (27:22):
I'm trying to
Speaker 04 (27:22):
think what is the what is the most weirdest so in
high school what happened
Speaker 01 (27:26):
well I mean I know that there were oh my god we
were like freaking seven eightyears old My parents were out of
the house.
Nobody died or anything likethat.
But the police were after thiscouple.
And somehow me and my siblingsallowed these people to come and
hide in our home while myparents were away.
(27:48):
I don't even know what broughtthis up just now.
I guess your question.
But the police was all in ourhouse.
My parents got home.
They're like, what the hell isgoing on?
And we're like, we don't know.
And the couple was pushing onthe door.
so the cops wouldn't come in
Speaker 04 (28:05):
yeah
Speaker 01 (28:05):
and we're just like we didn't know what the hell we
just were letting I honestlydon't remember
Speaker 04 (28:12):
how long were you in prison is what I need to
Speaker 01 (28:14):
know like what the
Speaker 04 (28:15):
fuck like that's
Speaker 01 (28:16):
some like well if you must know I was in there for
a year what was they calling ita bank I'm kidding I was never
in prison
Speaker 04 (28:23):
holy shit isn't that crazy that's nuts like I've had
some shit happen when I was akid okay so one thing that
happened when I was a kid was Ilived with my we lived with a
okay let me back it up lisa'smom was the youngest of the
sisters right and uncle peterwas the youngest well he was
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second youngest oh no he was thebaby wasn't he
Speaker 02 (28:47):
he is the baby he's
Speaker 04 (28:48):
the baby yeah so i remember all of us live with
grandma and grandpa on gastonavenue and down in dallas
Speaker 02 (28:55):
all of who
Speaker 04 (28:56):
like it was your mom it was uncle peter it was my
mom myself uh I want to say AuntLucy, maybe not.
Speaker 02 (29:06):
Josie, probably.
Speaker 04 (29:07):
Josie was already off with Domingo.
I think my mom had alreadygotten divorced.
So we're living with grandmaand grandpa.
Speaker 02 (29:16):
Okay.
Speaker 04 (29:17):
Okay.
So this house, the next doorneighbor was this old black man.
And it kind of reminds me ofSanford's son, like this guy.
He would dress that way andhe'd always come outside.
Grandpa would say hi to him andthey, you know, just a little
short talk.
One day, I'm there at home andI'm on the front porch and our
front porch didn't have a screenbut it was big enough for us
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you know it was a nice old houseI don't know if it's still
there or not but anyways Iremember looking next door and
the old man wasn't there and Iwant to say he used to go
collect junk like metal shit andsell it well I remember these
two guys and this had to be the70s late 70s because I remember
they had this long fluffy hairand they were white guys one of
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them had Had a mustache with noteven a whole goatee.
It was a goatee, but no beard.
And then the other guy, theywere both wearing blue jean
jackets and blue jeans.
And they were walking aroundhis house.
And I was like, what the fuckthese guys doing?
This is weird.
I was a kid.
I didn't know what the fuck washappening.
Well, I'm up there watching andI see them coming back and
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forth taking stuff to their car.
I had to be like eight yearsold, maybe.
Eight or nine.
And I'm looking and the policecome over And the man from next
door comes, he gets home andhe's like, he just got robbed.
There's something happening.
He didn't want to know ifanybody saw anything.
And mom and all them, I don'tknow, nobody saw anything.
And, you know, grandpa waslike, no, I was at work, nobody
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saw anything.
And they don't want you, if yousaw something, you didn't see
nothing.
You know what I'm saying?
It's that type of shit.
I said, out of the blue, Ipeeked my head and I said, I
saw, I saw two white men.
Man, my mom pushed me back inand she didn't see nothing.
I said, no, I did and they saidwe need to talk to him
Speaker 03 (31:05):
and
Speaker 04 (31:06):
I remember them coming and pulling me out and my
mom was like freaking out andeverybody was like listening to
me through the door and my momwas standing out there and I
think grandpa was out there andI told them what they looked
like and who they were but Iremember one of the guys with
the mustache he turned andlooked at me I guess he didn't
think twice well that kid ain'tgonna fucking remember me he's a
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fucking kid I remembered to theT found out like maybe a couple
days later they caught them itwas a father and son duo who
would go and break into people'shouses and take shit so that
started me off as thinking as ayoung kid damn I just saw a
robbery you know what I'm sayingthis is a robbery that just
happened in front of the housein the 70s and I'm looking at
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this shit and they're walkingaround carrying things out from
my next door neighbor did ittraumatize me no but it made me
think of shit different it mademe think of okay not everybody's
nice them white guys they badthey
Speaker 02 (32:02):
bad as hell especially if they have a long
mustache with no
Speaker 04 (32:07):
beard no beard mustache he had like I call them
motorcycle handlebars somethinglike that that's what
Speaker 03 (32:12):
it looked like
Speaker 04 (32:13):
I was like this fucker hair man so I remember
that happening and then when Igot inside they were like you
can't be doing that the onlything that traumatized me at
that house was I got up onenight to get some water and I
was a kid I went to the kitchenand I remember there was this
orange fucking chair an old ass70s orange chair it was by the
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telephone and I went and gotwater and I screamed and yelled
like a little bitch becausethere was a fucking rat as big
as like as big as a man's shoeand I was a kid and that bitch
ran around me on the wall andran underneath my legs and I
screamed and yelled and herecomes grandma running in you
(32:55):
know with her nightgown andgrandpa gets up blah blah blah
and I said and she goes matalayou got to kill those damn we'll
kill it so i remember that wehad these big rats and they
fucking it traumatized me to thepoint when i was older and i
found a fucking mouse in myhouse i was like fuck it brought
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me back to life when i was akid that's the only thing that
traumatized me so i can onlyimagine being there and seeing
somebody go up to the front ofthe room and shoot themselves
Speaker 03 (33:26):
yeah
Speaker 04 (33:27):
as a kid as an adult as an adult i've seen a lot of
shit and it's kind of it kind ofnumbed that for me like seeing
stuff like that like uhshootouts i i was in a shootout
where i heard bullets going bymy ears i was i was i've seen
people get shot i've seen andand the first time you see
somebody get shot you're like ohfuck he got he got shot like
(33:50):
what the hell and it's not a tvthing it's an actual thing and
it doesn't happen like tv theyget shot they yell and they're
like ow that burns it's not likeuh and they fall they fucking
shoot and they're running andand running, and then they fall.
They don't realize it.
They don't realize whathappened, right?
Oh, that's something stunning.
Like, you saw something bit me.
Speaker 02 (34:10):
Exactly.
Everybody laughed at him, butthat's probably really what it's
like.
Speaker 04 (34:15):
That shit felt just like a bee sting or something.
And the closest I got wasskinned, and that shit burned.
And it was on my pinky.
And if it would have been likea centimeter over it, I probably
would have lost a pinky.
Speaker 02 (34:29):
You would have had a pin.
You would have had a
Speaker 03 (34:31):
pin instead of a pinky.
Speaker 04 (34:33):
hell yeah little nub and shit oh mc nub that would
have been my name but that thatshit would and if i was and i
was a kid whenever i would seeshoot a stupid gang shit that i
went through when i was youngerbut did it traumatize me as much
as it would have did when i wasin high school like sitting
there see somebody come in andshoot themselves i don't know i
(34:55):
don't know i think it's more ofa mindset of i hate to say this
but how soft your mind is likewhat have you seen in like
Speaker 02 (35:04):
I think maybe the children of those kids probably
suffered you know like of theparents were probably no like
yeah of the kids that were inthe classroom when they grew up
and had children they wereprobably way overprotective
Speaker 03 (35:23):
yeah
Speaker 02 (35:23):
and imagine imagine like being a teenager and being
like man I can't do nothing ormy parents homeschool me because
when they were in school somekid blew his head off in class.
Speaker 01 (35:34):
Imagine the teacher, because she sent him off to the
principal's office.
Speaker 04 (35:38):
And they said she's never been the same.
Speaker 01 (35:39):
I bet.
I forgot
Speaker 04 (35:41):
her name.
You said it again.
Speaker 01 (35:42):
It was Faye.
I was like, man.
So he ended up getting the gunfrom the dad's female friend.
Speaker 04 (35:49):
So they did find out who he got
Speaker 01 (35:51):
the gun
Speaker 04 (35:52):
from.
Oh, so he had a female friendalready.
Speaker 01 (35:55):
And he had written notes to a couple of friends.
I heard that he wrotesomething, but I didn't know
that.
Yeah, and he had sentcassettes.
Basically, he was saying, Idon't hate myself.
I just hate the situation I'min, like with my parents.
I moved to a new school.
I don't have any friends.
I feel like I don't fit in iswhat it was.
Speaker 04 (36:13):
Yeah.
See, I don't know.
I didn't know him in BryanAdams.
But I know...
He
Speaker 01 (36:19):
had been in a psychiatric hospital, too.
I know he had.
Oh, he did.
See,
Speaker 04 (36:24):
I didn't know him.
But when I saw his face, I knewI've seen him.
Speaker 03 (36:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 04 (36:30):
And when I saw the faces around him...
I knew that wasn't Richardson.
I was like, that's fuckingwhere I went to school.
Like those people I saw in myschool.
And, and to say that, did, didI ever rub elbows with him?
Did I ever pick on him?
No, I didn't pick on peoplelike me and Angela talked about
this.
I used to take up for people.
Like I was, I was always like,I did football and I did all
(36:51):
that.
And then I did the gang thing.
Right.
Stupidity.
But I wouldn't let nobody pickon anybody like that.
Like my cousin was gay and Icouldn't stand it.
If you picked on my cousin,that's my cousin.
You don't do that.
You just let him be.
He loves who he loves.
He wants to be who he wants tobe.
Is it affecting you?
No.
Then leave it be.
You know what I'm saying?
(37:11):
We only got one life on thisearth and if you want to live it
the way you want to live it tobe happy, be happy.
You know what I'm saying?
And a lot of people can't takethat.
And I can honestly say I neverpicked on this boy.
I never did anything wrong tothis boy.
I do remember him after I sawhis picture.
And it's vaguely rememberinghim.
And it was amazing how I couldput that together after seeing
(37:33):
it online, his picture, andbeing like, I know that face.
And it threw me for a loop.
I'm like, this is crazy, man.
Speaker 01 (37:42):
People described him as just being a very sad boy
and they wish that they wouldhave befriended him.
Yeah, I
Speaker 04 (37:49):
could see that.
I guess anybody would say that,if I would have known.
You know what
Speaker 01 (37:55):
I'm saying?
Yeah, but you don't.
That's the thing.
People don't pick up on thosecues.
Speaker 04 (38:00):
And I saw this today, as a matter of fact, as a
online it was saying be nice topeople because you don't know
what they've been through todayor you don't know what they're
going through you know what I'msaying and I could be an asshole
I really can and I could bestupid and be pissed off if
somebody cuts me off I'm likeshoot the finger off bitch but
(38:21):
in my mind that's just stupidityat that time because it
aggravated me but how do I knowhe just didn't lose somebody or
she didn't lose somebody or youknow their dog passed away or
they just lost their job youknow what I'm saying we don't
think that way we think fastfast fast go go go in this
society and for that kid who wasa kid when I was a kid like he
(38:45):
was 15 I had to be about 16 Ihad to be 16 years old at least
I was a sophomore and to havehim that close and find out that
this song was written about himand it was somebody who was
right there in my vicinity likewhat do they call that whenever
you're 5 people away from uhknowing whatever his name was um
Speaker 01 (39:07):
you go into this mode of what what could i have
done
Speaker 04 (39:11):
yeah like
Speaker 01 (39:12):
what how could i have affected anything changed
that yeah
Speaker 04 (39:15):
and you really can't because i don't think that's
that's the way it's supposed tobe planned out to be so i didn't
know that he left i knew heleft a note but i didn't know he
left tapes and notes yeahthat's uh interesting because
and then it was more about hissituation with his family and he
probably wasn't more happier atBryan Adams he probably who
(39:38):
knows he would have did it therewe don't
Speaker 01 (39:40):
know yeah I mean it had to have been more so much
more if he was in a in a psychhospital yeah well maybe it was
from the same thing like wherehe because that wasn't that
wasn't his first time that hehad that he had said that he
wanted to commit that he wantedto commit suicide
Speaker 04 (39:56):
and we've been well I say we've been through that
I've been through that with mymy daughter and And then, you
know, a couple of people in myfamily and I was like, man, it's
not easy because you feel likethere's nothing you can possibly
do.
That is the worst feeling youcould be as a parent and not
being able to be that hero, thatperson who can just make it all
(40:18):
better.
You can't just hug them and sayit's going to be you can do
that, but it's not going to doanything.
You know, and it's it takes ittakes that person to have the
power, but it takes you to givethat power to be that back that
that You got to be thatbackbone.
Speaker 01 (40:34):
Yeah.
And I think the worst partabout that is, is even when you
do seek help, like I knowsomeone that was kind of, that
was close to me ended up goingto one of those places because
this person also, you know, hadwanted to commit suicide or was
cutting, they were cuttingthemselves.
Oh yeah.
And one of the, one of thethings that was mentioned, um,
(40:55):
was that they would manhandlethem inside.
So can you just imagine you'realready going through all of
Speaker 04 (41:02):
this
Speaker 01 (41:02):
and And then, yeah.
So, I mean, that could havebeen something else that he had
to deal with.
I mean, you just don't know.
I believe
Speaker 04 (41:08):
that.
I really believe that.
You see stories about that,right?
Or you see shows.
Even Happy Gilmore had that oneguy who treated his grandmother
like shit when she was lockedup and, you know, with the old
folks
Speaker 01 (41:19):
on.
Oh, my God, yes.
You know what I'm talking
Speaker 04 (41:21):
about?
Yes.
And that's just...
That's a playful way, but itreally happens to the point of
who's taking care of the peoplethat you love?
You know what I'm saying?
Whenever they're locked up.
And if...
So, yeah, whenever my daughterwent away and got help and came
back and she had a lot ofsearching to do and she found
herself and I'm happy and I'mhappy that I'm happy that I'm
(41:43):
still here to talk to herbecause at one time I didn't
care if I was locked up the restof my life to do something to
somebody who had hurt her.
And after being talked downfrom somebody, my friend who
actually did time, I said, bro,10, 15, years ago we could
handle this he goes but your hegoes your kids need you outside
(42:06):
they don't need you inside
Speaker 01 (42:07):
yeah because you can't do anything from behind
bars
Speaker 04 (42:10):
and that that really made me think that right there
stopped me from even thinkingabout it and just focusing on
her and and that's somethingthat some a lot of these kids
don't have so at the end of theat the end of the little
document well the narration Idid it was like you know we
don't pay attention to the lowvoices of these kids or Or
(42:32):
adults, too.
We don't hear their silentyells.
And I wrote a song about ourex-guitarist.
He was our guitarist until hekilled himself.
And I wrote a song after acouple of months, and I call it
Scream.
And in my mind, I'm thinking,in his mind, being him, what is
(42:55):
it like to do that?
Like, I put myself in asituation of all that you're
going through, all the thingsthat running through your mind
can anybody hear me scream or isit just me in my own head
yelling like and I wonder ifthat's how it is or some of
these people and they're sotired of screaming in their own
head nobody helping them thatthey just say heck with it I
(43:16):
don't know man it's it's uh itsucks and I'm I wanted to touch
on this song because I I meanthis this this person because I
didn't realize how close it wasto home even that we live in the
same town or the same or wherehe used to live in.
It went deeper than that.
Speaker 01 (43:36):
Or that you knew anyone that was close to him.
Speaker 04 (43:38):
Yeah, I mean, it's crazy.
So, okay, here's what I'm goingto do.
If you know anybody who needsany help and you're thinking
suicide, there's people outthere that can help you.
Help is available.
You can pick up your phone anddial
988-SUICIDE-IN-CRISIS-LIFELINEand they'll help you.
(44:00):
They're available 24 hours aday.
They speak English, Spanish,and you can text 988.
You can call 988.
Hell, you can even chat.
But get help.
It's out there.
And I'm glad the guy wrote it.
Do y'all think writing thissong and getting as popular as
(44:21):
they got from this song, likethere's more songs they got
popular from, but this is one ofthe ones.
You think that was in a bad wayor did it need to
Speaker 01 (44:29):
be thrown out?
I mean, this could have beensomething that he read the story
and he's like shit this is howI felt before so he felt
compelled to write it yeah itcould have been a situation he
probably didn't speak it but heprobably had those same feelings
and felt that he had he was avoice for that person
Speaker 04 (44:45):
there's a lot of musicians who go through a
Speaker 01 (44:49):
lot of the artists
Speaker 04 (44:50):
a lot of artists period like painters
Speaker 02 (44:52):
I mean Kurt Cobain
Speaker 04 (44:53):
oh yeah
Speaker 02 (44:54):
I don't see any negative from
Speaker 04 (44:56):
the
Speaker 02 (44:57):
song if anything it just brought more awareness
Speaker 04 (45:00):
I think it brought more more awareness.
I didn't see anything bad aboutit.
I think it, I think it gotbigger than what they thought it
was going to get.
Like that song is just known.
It's a great, it's great.
It's put together.
Great.
And the words that come outafter, you know, the story, and
then you find out that it'sactually based on some true
events.
Speaker 01 (45:21):
I knew this song before I even knew anything like
really like,
Speaker 04 (45:24):
yeah, me too.
Speaker 01 (45:26):
The story, the true story.
Yeah.
Speaker 04 (45:27):
I knew the song.
And then, then I heard, Oh,it's, it's about a kid who
actually killed himself.
And I'm like, no shit and thenit's like yeah he killed himself
in the Dallas area I'm likewhat the fuck you know I don't
know it's just it really got meand I wanted to talk about it
and it was supposed to be oursecond show but I decided we'd
put it first because I've beenreally I stayed up late putting
(45:49):
this stuff together
Speaker 01 (45:50):
last night you were eager to get it out I was
Speaker 04 (45:51):
so eager to get it out and then everything that I
found out yesterday about megoing to school with this kid I
was like man
Speaker 01 (45:58):
even more
Speaker 04 (46:00):
yeah it's crazy I needed to get it out and to our
listeners I know this isn't anormal one we usually cut up and
you know X stupid do our thingbut this is something I wanted
to touch on and maybe it helpssome people out there who going
through it or who didn't knowanything about Jeremy
Speaker 03 (46:17):
the
Speaker 04 (46:17):
song like there's a lot of young listeners out there
too who maybe didn't know thereal story yeah so yeah once
again 988 is lifeline if youneed any help or you have any
suicidal thoughts.
There's people out there andthey can help you 24 hours a
day.
English or Spanish.
Speaking other languages, I'mpretty sure they can help you
(46:39):
the same way.
So, on that note, live long andprosper.
Speaker 01 (46:46):
Because you never know where the force may take
you.
Peace.
Bye.
Disclaimer.
Speaker 02 (47:27):
Some of these facts have not been shared.
These are just
Speaker 04 (47:30):
our opinions.
Please don't come to our showfor actual news.
For help on suicide preventionor if you need somebody to talk
(47:53):
to, call the Suicide PreventionLifeline number, 1-800-273-8255.
Or you can call the three-digitnumber it was converted to,
988.
There's always somebody to talkto.
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