Epstein Lies, Alligator Alcatraz, and the Crocodile Tears of Michelle Obama

We dive into the ongoing Epstein controversy, examining why the calls for a "list" have become a source of division even within MAGA supporters and analyzing what transparency really means in this situation.

• The Department of Education faces massive cuts after a Supreme Court ruling permits 1,400 layoffs
• First Lady Melania Trump emerges as an influential voice in Ukraine policy, offering cultural insight that's reshaping the administration's approach
• The controversial "Alligator Alcatraz" detention facility sparks heated debate about appropriate conditions for illegal immigrants
• Growing divisions within the Democratic Party as former President Obama suggests members need to "toughen up"
• Michelle Obama faces criticism for podcast comments about women's limitations that seem disconnected from everyday American experiences

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the Elsa Kirk show, with Clay Novak serving up
trending news and conservativeviews Brought to you by the Elsa
Kirk Collection and RefugeMedical.
And now it's time for the show.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Well, hey there, how are you Clay?

Speaker 4 (00:26):
Good, I'm recovering from an uber-busy week last week
and weekend.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yes, you had some fun stuff going on.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah, sure did.
Hosted a veterans charityfundraiser Clay Target Shoot on
Thursday, jumped on a plane onFriday, went and jumped out of a
plane on Saturday.
It was busy, busy, but it's allfun things I like to do.
So how are you?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
I am good.
I am good Still on baby watch.
Baby has not arrived and she islooking on schedule to be late,
probably.
Maybe We'll see.
We'll see Due date.
I told you guys last week duedate is the 18th.
She just had.
My daughter just had herappointment today.
Today is Wednesday, guys.

(01:12):
We're recording on Wednesday.
You will see this on Thursday.
We'll be in the commentssection with you, watching along
with and hanging out with you,hanging out with you.
So, yeah, she's a little bitfurther along, but it doesn't
mean much.
It can mean everything andnothing.
So we shall see, we shall see.

(01:33):
I go Thursday, tomorrow brightand early, and so while you guys
are watching this, yeah no, Iwill already long be in Florida
and exhausted from nonstopplaying with the other grand
babies.
So, yeah, so everybody crossyour fingers that this baby
comes on Friday.
That would be so fabulous,because that just gives me a

(01:54):
longer period of time holdingthat baby.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
I could make a comment about her starting her
life properly as a woman bybeing late to the very first
thing.
But I won't say that.
I won't say that out loud.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
No, no, no, no, not at all, and it's so not true,
clay?
I mean, we're never, never late.
We're always on time.
In fact, we're early.
I am one of those people who istypically early, unless my
husband.
He is the one who is late.
And he would argue that he sayshusband, he is the one who is
late.
And he would argue that he says, if it's important, I'm there.

(02:29):
He makes fun of me because I'm.
I'm like you know, if we'regoing to a party or get together
, I don't like to miss the food.
Okay, I love, I love the food.
Everything is about food.
So, like, let's go, let's go.
He's like the food will stillbe there.
Calm down, you don't have to bethe first one through the door,
I don't care.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
I am perpetually early, bred into me by my dad
and then just reinforcedcompletely by the Army.
But listen, folks, we'realready off topic and behind,
but so we do have.
Great.
We got five plus a little bitof a funny, a little bit less of
the serious, but five bigtopics and we will get back on
track and we'll get startedright after this.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Epstein lies, alligator Alcatraz and the
crocodile tears of MichelleObama.
This week on the show we'redigging through the smoke spin
and straight up swamp nonsensethe media doesn't want you to
question.
The latest Epstein falloutspoiler alert no client list,
just a lot of finger pointing,backtracking and MAGA infighting
.
Then we dive into the quietpivot on Ukraine with Melania

(03:31):
Trump yes, really playingforeign policy whisperer.
Plus the Supreme Courtgreenlights the biggest
education department cuts inhistory.
We'll also unpack the risingcivil war inside the Democratic
Party.
And lastly, michelle Obamacomplains again.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
All right.
Well, here we go, guys.
It is another week, anotherbunch of stuff and things,
actually a continuation of stuffand things.
The Epstein list or not, right,clay?
I mean lots of big feelings onthis, continuing mixed opinions
on it within the MAGA base, aseveryone loves to call it.
I don't know, I don't know.

(04:10):
Tell me how you're feelingabout this.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
I'm angry, and I'm angry for a lot of reasons.
One, listen, we're gettingeverybody's getting wrapped
around the semantics of the wordlist.
Okay, I don't know if, I don'tknow if anybody, maybe people
did but in your head if you hadthis image of a piece of paper
with, you know, name after nameafter name after name after name
, like you know, like Epsteinhad a, you know, had a ledger of

(04:33):
sorts and maybe he did, I don'tknow.
But that's that, the use of theword list, I think, is what's
got people worked up.
I don't care what format it'sin.
If they've got the file andthere is 60 names spread
throughout the file as customers, potential clients, whatever
you want to call it, compile thelist yourself manually, compile

(04:55):
the list and put it out, orrelease the file unredacted in
its entirety and let the rest ofus peel through it.
I don't care about the word list, I don't care about the format.
I want to know the names of thepeople that are in it and the
people that are hiding behind.
And I got into it with a coupleof folks guys who used to work
for me in the army this weekthat were politicizing this and

(05:17):
saying well, you know, theprevious administration never
said the word list.
They never said list.
Now listen, people have beentalking about a list since like
2006.
Okay, new sources everybody'sbeen using the word list as if
there was a, a, an actual list,physical list.
If you're hiding behind that inthe sense of you know saying, oh

(05:39):
well, this is a conservativeconspiracy theory or this is,
you know the department,conservative conspiracy theory,
or this is, you know thedepartment shut up.
This is child sex trafficking.
If you are not outraged by this, if you are not unbelievably
upset about this, if you'repoliticizing this, if you're
blaming this on you know, apolitical party on one side or

(05:59):
the other, you are the problem.
You're the problem.
I don't care.
I don't care about the format,I don't the names of the people.
The entirety of the file, allof the information that they
have, should be publiclyreleased.
That's what we want, period.
I don't care if PresidentClinton's in there, I don't give
a crap if George Soros is inthere.
I don't care President Trump'sin there, I want to know who's

(06:21):
in there, period.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, yeah.
You know the whole campaign hasbeen on transparency, truth,
draining the swamp, like all ofthe things.
Now, in my opinion, this is thefirst and really only misstep

(06:43):
by the administration.
From a conservative MAGA pointof view, that's my point of view
on it.
However, this is a huge misstepbecause it has been such an
important thing and, like yousaid, which is truly the biggest
point of all, we are talkingabout young women and children
who were victimized horrificallyand deserve justice and deserve

(07:08):
um, to just just that, just tohave justice done here, and
nothing will ever bring backtheir innocence, obviously, um.
But there are people and againI I echo what you said.
I don't care who it is, I don'tcare if it's one of the people
I thought were that there isn'tanybody that I think that way

(07:29):
about, um, other than my husband, of course, but you know nobody
.
That I think is so great that Iwould be so heartbroken or
angry or upset that they were onthis list.
I don't care, and again I echoyou.
Again, that includes presidentTrump, who I do admire and
respect and love as ourpresident.

(07:49):
I don't care who's on it.
Release it, and you know.
And also the argument is.
You know and I just saw thistoday that you know people are
saying, well, you can't, youcan't release the whole list
because of the victims, thevictim's names.
You've got to protect theiridentity.
Well, this is a no-duh, likeno-duh.
Of course, their names aregoing to be redacted, protected.

(08:11):
We want the names of the peoplewho were victimizing children
and young women.
That's what we're talking aboutwhen we're talking about a list
, and I'm a little stunned, tobe honest with you, with
President Trump's dismissal ofthis whole thing.
Like you know, now it's a hoaxbrought on by the Democrats, now

(08:34):
it's this.
It's that it's.
We need more.
We need more.
I can, I can believe thatbecause of all the other hoaxes
that they did, but you need toshow me how and why you're
calling it a hoax.
You just saying that it's ahoax, that it was these
particular people that you knoware creating this, you know,
make-believe list.

(08:54):
You're you're ignoring theactual context of what we're
angry about and why this is aproblem, and you know so.
They do need to pivot, andpivot fast, and I know there is
talk, uh, about more things.
You know, credible.
He has said himself and I givehim that that credit.
Um, he has been saying multipletimes that.

(09:15):
Um, if there, if at his wordswere, if there is credible
evidence to be released, heexpects for Pam Bondi to release
that.
So that's, you know, vague ofcourse, but that is kind of what
we want.
Give me credible evidence thatwhat you're saying is true.
Now they're saying that there'sup to perhaps three minutes of

(09:38):
the Epstein prison video missingnot the one minute that they
were talking about and I can'tconfirm that that's true.
I don't know if you have moreinfo on that, clay.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
I don't have more info, but I did see the same
thing.
Two minutes and 50 somethingseconds, they're saying, is
missing from that footage.
You know, again, it's allrelated and there's holes in all
of it.
You know, if we don't havenames of people, why is Maxwell,
you know, in jail, right?
Yeah, there's number one.
You know all of these younggirls you know that testified.

(10:10):
What did they say?
Where are they?
And don't just tell me PrinceAndrew, I don't want to just
stop it because he's not theonly one.
You know it's the informationis there now?
Alan Dershowitz, who has beeninvolved with this legally since
the very beginning, has saidthe names are in there.
There is no formal list, thenames are in there.

(10:33):
He's offered a couple of things.
One is that almost all of thenames are out already in the
public.
The media has not covered thosenames.
They're already out there, soyou'd have to dig for them and
find them.
Has not covered those names.
They're already out there, soyou'd have to dig for them and
find them.
He said the most of the namesthat he knows people know about,
but he also said this entirething is being suppressed, not
by politicians but and and noteven by the department of

(10:56):
justice, in the sense of the lawenforcement side of this, or
even the attorney general.
He said that this is beingsuppressed by the judges in the
legal structure that has, youknow, has worked all these
initial cases, again going backto the early 2000s.
This has been going on, but hesays it's the judges that have

(11:17):
worked this to the point whereinformation can't be released
through legal agreements, andsome of them even with Epstein
himself, who's dead for cryingout loud.
I think those agreements arekind of null and void at this
point, but I just we need to seeit.
Yes, protect the victims ahundred percent.
Nobody else, nobody elseprotecting for no one, I don't

(11:37):
care, this is gross and anybodywho is defending it and there's
a lot of, you know, presidentTrump acolytes who have said, oh
, president Trump trusts PamBondi and I'm going to trust Pam
Bondi because the press, no,absolutely not.
I don't care.
We, we deserve all of this, wedo.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
And you know optics.
Optics would say that Pam Bondiis the problem right now, you
know, in that she either spoketoo soon, said things out of
school that she should not havesaid, which in itself is a
problem, talk too much aboutthings that she maybe shouldn't

(12:20):
have been saying.
You know it's the wholeover-promised,
under-delivereddelivered thing,so that alone is just a bad look
, bad look.
Then you have the whole, youknow, rumored, probably
confirmed to be true.
Well, yeah, it's confirmed tobe true.
I mean, if President Trumptweeted about it or put it out
on Truth Social that you knowhis boys and even some of girls

(12:43):
need to play nice, and you knowall of that.
Bongino, you know what was or ison the verge of resigning.
I don't think that's resolvedyet.
Uh, cash is towing the line.
Uh, he, he did speak, or postum, essentially, that you know,
just kind of reiterating.
You know everything that can bereleased is released.

(13:04):
It's all there is, whatever.
Uh, move on, and that's thathas been the gist of it, like
move on.
And then then you have, uh,laura Trump saying, well,
there's, you know, they're goingto release some more stuff.
So, like, there's a lot ofdifferent things being said here
.
So get united on this, deliverthe message.
And the message really needs tobe here's everything that we

(13:26):
have, that we can, that we cangive you legally.
They got to.
The transparency needs to bedone, because this is this is a
big issue and it bleeds intoother things.
Right, because you're like,well, if you're lying to us
about this, or we feel likeyou're lying to us about this
and, like you said, so manyholes in all of this that it is

(13:47):
impossible it's not tinfoil hatwearing to say hang on a minute.
This is the complete oppositeof everything that has been said
up until this point.
So they need to fix this very,very quickly because this will
become a bigger problem, becauseit bleeds into other areas.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Well, and so what you're already starting to see,
right?
So we all knew that PresidentTrump was, you know his name was
involved with this.
It was the barring of theairplane.
And then you know Epsteingetting thrown off out of you
know Trump property, whatever itwas years ago, and everybody
kind of wrote it off.
As you know, president Trumphad cursory contact with Epstein

(14:25):
and that was the end of it andI mean, nobody was pushing that
narrative anymore.
But now that narrative isresurfacing.
You know, president Trump,there was a quote from him from
the you know middle 90s aboutEpstein that said oh yeah, you
know, he likes his pretty womenjust like I do.
I know Jeff.
I've known Jeff for about 15years now.
So that stuff is starting toresurface.

(14:47):
And now what you've got is thenarrative of well, president
Trump's not releasing it becausePresident Trump is on it, right
, and that had gone by thewayside even under the Biden
administration.
Now everything is up for grabs,literally everything is suspect
and yes, there are the rank andfile ultimately loyal that will

(15:10):
deny everything.
But because this hasn't beenaddressed, like you said,
because the information hasn'tbeen put out, because it hasn't
been transparent like theypromised us, then I think
everything should be up forgrabs.
I think things should bequestioned.
Until they course correct andthey fix this, then they have to
suffer the speculation thatcomes along with it.

(15:30):
Right or wrong, that's realityright now and I and I have
sympathy for the administration,any of them.
Bondi Patel, I understandBongino got pissed off last late
last week.
He got into an argument eitherwith Bondi.
I actually heard he got into anargument with the White House
chief of staff, which is not anidea and that's why he bailed

(15:50):
Thursday afternoon, took Fridayoff and there was discussion of
him resigning over the weekend.
But they're all suspect andsubject to the ridicule until
this gets resolved and I havezero sympathy for them because
this is not what they promisedus, right.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, yeah, I am, I am.
I'm going to think positivelyand look forward to that course
correction, but it's going to,you know, I mean, this is the
problem.
It comes really at a price,because now you've shaken our
trust here and that's not cool.
Like you're going to have togive us a really credible

(16:27):
explanation as to why you hedgedon this, um, why, why you kind
of waffled all over the place onit and um, you know, help me
understand what's going on here,um, I can't fathom a reason
good enough for the Americanpublic to say oh, we understand
why you covered that up now,because we don't care about the

(16:50):
elites, the wealthy, the youknow influential people.
If you were part of doing thesethings, you deserve to be
stripped of everything you have,of everything you have.

(17:10):
So no sympathy again, nosympathy, no respect, no,
nothing, absolutely nothing.
So, yeah, I I hope that the youknow the talk of um, some more
things being released is thingsthat would satisfy us, basically
, and not, you know, I don'twant to be just appeased, I just
I want for, I want for thevictims to have some, some
justice, and I think that's whateverybody wants.
I think people really do havetheir their hearts and minds in

(17:34):
the right place on this, youknow.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
So yeah, and and until they clear this up, all of
the, the all of the rumors,right, and you've heard them too
.
So you know, hollywood is justone big pedophile ring.
You know, all the things thathappened around Diddy are 100%
true.
He just beat the system becausehe had book on people.
You know the held accountable,those are going to continue to

(17:58):
swirl, right, it will become,you know, it'll continue to gain
momentum and it will has thepotential to be all consuming
and there will be some sort ofrevolt, hopefully against in
power, you know, or thoseresponsible for this, the elites

(18:20):
that you're talking about,because we can't like that.
Even prison, even the prisonculture, knows there's nothing
more disgusting, more vile thana child predator.
Even criminals know that.
Until we get resolution on this, I'm not tolerating anyone

(18:42):
talking this down, downplayingthis, easing back anything.
We should all be demandingnothing but the truth and full
disclosure on the information,with protection of the victims
in mind, and compromise None.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I'll admit I'm big girlenough to admit that last week I
had a waiver, I had a moment oflike, oh, we've been talking
about for so many years andthere's never going to be.
And it's not that I cared less,it's you know from last week
that the word of the week lastweek was fatigue, and the
fatigue was more and is moreabout the exhaustion of never

(19:23):
seeing the.
You know the consequences thatthese people deserve and it's
like I, just you get thatfrustrated, giving up, like I, I
give up, you know, fine, youwon.
Okay, I can't keep fighting you, and that's kind of that's
shifted for me again.
And it's like you know, and aswe're talking, even more so.
And I watch I don't know if youknow who he is uh, victor Marks.

(19:44):
Um, I love that man, I love,love, love him, just his.
And I made a post about this, Idon't know, last week or
whatever.
And uh, just the first time Iever saw him was from those
amazing gun grab videos where he, just like you can't even like
you could keep your eyestoothpicked open and you can't
even see how quickly he gets agun.
If you don't know what I'mtalking about, you got to go

(20:05):
watch it.
He's just amazing.
But he and his wife and histeam of people are are very big
in the whole rescue of sextrafficking victims,
particularly children, and hespoke about this and had some
interesting things to say.
But you know, I just, we justwe just want to see justice

(20:30):
period, end of story, right, sodo it now.
I hope he's listening.
I hope he's listening to putthe heat on.
You know his team.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
And maybe because we're starting to see an
influence in some way.
Maybe, yeah, or the people whoneed to step in are the women in
the president's life.
Maybe it's his daughters, who Ilove to death president's life,
maybe it's his daughters who Ilove to death, uh, or maybe it's
.
Maybe it's the first lady whoneeds to step in and say
something to the president andwe've seen this folks already.

(20:58):
Um is, and I didn't know this.
I don't think really anybodyknew this until the president
said it the other day.
But we're seeing a, we'reseeing a shift, a U S shift on
Ukraine.
Um, a little bit of it iseconomic, a little bit of it is
dealing, a little bit of it isforeign military sales, but it's
all seemingly being generatedfrom the First Lady,

(21:18):
interestingly enough.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Very interesting.
There was, you know, beforethis term started, while they
were, while he was running.
I do remember the not so quietwhispers that Melania was going
to be taking on a very differentrole than she had in his first
term and just being more visible, more vocal, more well, all of

(21:43):
that, and she has done that.
She started that low key rightoff the bat.
She has done that.
She started that low key rightoff the bat.
You could see a difference inher, just in her presence.
You know she's always beenelegant and classy and all of
those things and beautifulbeyond words.

(22:04):
But she has made some powermoves and, of course, releasing
her book, you know, just reallycoming out to the forefront.
And you know and I wouldimagine that was a big part of
the conversation that if we'redoing this again, I'm going to,
I'm going to make my mark hereas well and and I think she has
been this is another sign ofthat.
And I know, you know, there arepeople that are like, oh, this

(22:24):
is just optics, she had nothingto do with it.
They're just saying that I, youknow I tend to disagree.
I think that that is actuallythe case.
I actually liked his littlething that he said Do I have it?
Yes, I do have it.
Well, this is what he had tosay.
It's very short.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
I tell the first lady you know I spoke with Vladimir
today.
We had a wonderful conversation.
She said oh really.
Another city was just hit.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
So, yeah, so you know that's him obviously talking
about, uh, him going home anddiscussing the latest things
that are that are going on, ashusbands and wives do, and talk
about your work day together andget each other's opinions and
insights.
And you know that was a case ofthat, according to him.
That I kind of said to her, youknow, you know, it seems like
everything went well, he wasvery agreeable, and she's on the
other side going yeah, well,he's still doing exactly what he
wanted to do.
He's telling you one thing andhe's doing another thing, so

(23:14):
what's going on with that?
So the suggestion is is that,you know he, she gave him a
little different perspective andthat is the shift here that you
see going on.
Um, you know, interestingthey're.
They're calling her agentmelania.
Have you seen the memes andeverything with her?
Yeah, I just saw him as I waslooking up all of this, so it
was funny.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yeah, I think part of it too.
One we all know that she's somuch more than a pretty face,
extremely intelligent,truthfully, like every other
woman in his life, but she alsohas that touch of the Eastern
European culture.
I think she understands andprovides some great advice and

(23:57):
insight to him about that partof the world.
That's where she grew up.
That's what she knows.
She knows it probably betterthan anybody in his inner circle
, and when she says things likethat, it has an impact, because
I don't.
I think she chooses her wordscarefully, not just in what she
says, but when she says them.
So when he says they oh, Italked to Vladimir today.

(24:17):
Oh, I talked to Putin today, wehad a great conversation and
she goes, turn the TV on, watchwhat's going on.
He's manipulating you, right?
And and when your spouse notjust your spouse, but a spouse
of that caliber says thosethings to you, you take notice
and and she doesn't do it allthe time and she doesn't, you
know, I think, take advantage ofher position as his, as the

(24:38):
first lady, um, but, but hestops and he listens to her and
I think you know we've said allalong, as many people you know
say, oh, he's in putin's pocket,or he just hates zelinsky, or
he's taking sides, or he's anagent of Russia and all these
other crazy things.
We have adamantly you and Iboth, and a lot of people
adamantly said, listen, he justwants the war to end, that's all

(25:00):
he cares about, really caresabout protecting innocence, and
so every time Putin does, thisis bad enough, but when your
wife says, hey, he's mocking you, he's taking advantage of you,
um, I think it rings home evenworse that he wants this to be
over with.
And so now we're getting alittle bit different level of
involvement, um, and so the U?

(25:21):
S is has, you know, backed awayunder president Trump, our
outward support, direct supportof uh, ukraine, in the sense of
he just wants the war to end.
He doesn't want to contributeto it.
However, very knowingly, nowwhat's happening is that Germany
and, I think, turkey are buyingdirectly US Patriot missile

(25:42):
systems and then giving them tothe Ukraine to defend themselves
from these attacks, and it'sbeing done at the blessing of
President Trump.
So this isn't a backhanded,we're buying it for ourselves
and then it ends up in Ukraineon the part of Germany.
The president knows about this,it's being said out loud and he

(26:02):
looks at it twofold, in that itaffects the fight and it
defends the innocents in Ukrainewho are paying the price, but
it's also a business deal, andhe can never divest himself from
a business deal.
So it's good money for your,for US owned companies, defense
companies, but also it's NATOand then benefits the Ukraine at

(26:23):
the same time.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, you know, and of course, there are people that
are angry about it and sayingoh, you know, you're changing
your stance.
Now, all of a sudden, you'rechanging everything.
You're changing your stance onUkraine.
Well, you know, again, he is abusinessman and you can change.
You can change gears whenthings are not going the way
that you wanted them to go, likeit's actually a very normal

(26:46):
thing to do.
I'm giving you, I'm giving youthis opportunity, you know, and
this option really to go adifferent route than what you're
going, meeting him, talkingwith Putin and Zelensky, you
know, I'm giving you these,these options and these
opportunities to take adifferent course and a different
path.
And when this one was notfollowing the rules, zelensky,
he got tough on him and kind ofcut him off at the knees and

(27:09):
gave, you know, putin the sameopportunity, and if he's not
doing, you know what should bedone.
Well, now we're going to, nowwe change to, we change gears,
we change tactics and, you know,it just all kind of makes sense
in the grand scheme of things.
So, you know, I don't know it'sabove my pay grade, that's for

(27:30):
sure.
So, but it seems to make a lotof sense and I personally do
like Melania stepping to theforefront here and contributing
where she can contribute.
And, to your point, the womanspeaks like five languages, that
is, you know her region.
She understands, like you said,she understands the, the
personalities and the behaviorsand just the um, the lifestyle

(27:54):
and and how they operate thereand how they think.
So she's a great contributor tothis.
And you know, probably I'd sayto anyone that is balk, anyone
from the left particularlythat's balking at her direct
involvement here or seemingdirect involvement.
Direct involvement here orseeming direct involvement.

(28:15):
Let's settle down.
Okay, we had Jill Biden and herwork husband using the auto pen
, so how about let's not?
And sitting in on, you knowmeetings and everything, so you
don't have anything to stand onthere.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah, this is not.
This is not Jill Biden.
This is not Hillary Clinton,this is not Eleanor Roosevelt.
That's not what any of this is.
She is an advisor, truthfully,in an area that she is an expert
in by virtue of who she is andhow she grew up.
She doesn't overstep her bounds.
I think she voices her opinionto him when appropriate, but

(28:48):
there is no power grab on herpart.
When appropriate, but there isno power grab on her part.
She is not trying to be thatperson or that first lady
specifically.
So let's not get this twisted,folks.
She, she is trying to help andtruthfully do the right thing by
her husband and giving him theinsight that she has to help him
make informed and educateddecisions.
So you're right, that's that's.

(29:09):
Let's put the criticism aside,because that's not what's going
on.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
And, by the way, that is a marriage.
That is a good wife right there, Because I know, as a wife, as
a woman who cares, if I feellike somebody is making my
husband look foolish, not on mywatch, you're going to, you,
will deal with me, you know.
And in her own way, that'sexactly what she's doing.

(29:34):
She's like, oh, no, no, no, no,no, nobody, you know, is going
to make a fool or try to make afool of my husband, if I can
have something to say about it,and that's what she's doing.
So I admire and respect thattremendously, because that's
that is what you do as a spouse,as a partner, you know.
So I love it.
It's good stuff.
What do we got next?

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yeah, I think, uh, where are we at SCOTUS Is?

Speaker 3 (29:55):
that where we're going next, let's see.
Oh yeah, education department.
Yeah, yep, let's do that one.
That's a good one.
Um so, yeah, how about that?
The Supreme court?
Green lights, mass layoffs Umyeah, how many?
What was it?
1,300?
1,400.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah 1,300.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Thank you, yeah, so biggest agency downsizing in
history.
Now, a good portion of themwere already out right.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
This was just kind of so.
This was a US district judgeput a pause on this.
It was fourteen hundred firesthat had happened back in, I
think, march, and then I thinkthere was a ruling, you know so
there was an injunction put onin May that said no, you can't
do that.
And then it went to the SupremeCourt Six three decision, go
figure.
Yeah, I think it was Sotomayorwrote the dissent opinion, and

(30:51):
so what her argument is and it'san interesting argument to
listen to conceptually so herargument against this is that
presidents, the executive branchof the government, does not
have the ability to arbitrarilydisband departments,

(31:11):
directorates, et cetera, thathave been approved by Congress.
However, the loophole thatPresident Trump has found again
this is her dissenting opinionis that while I won't get rid of
the Department of Education,I'll just fire everybody in it,
and then they won't be able todo their job and it won't matter
.
So that's the dissentingopinion.
And again, it is interestingbecause there's a touch of

(31:32):
Pandora's box involved with thisright, and now I think all of
us can agree.
Anybody with a discerning eyecan look at the budget of the
DOE.
You can look at where the andthis has been well, well
documented folks.
Doge did a great job with this.
You can go in and see where thedollars have been spent in the

(31:52):
last, specifically, four yearsand the dollars that have been
wasted in the last four yearsand how much of that actually
goes to educating kids.
And it's not difficult todecide that this is a bloated
bureaucratic overblown.
You know horribly, you knowemployed organization that's

(32:13):
really not doing anything ofvalue.
And that's the consensus fromPresident Trump, the
administration and everybodyinvolved.
And that's why he put McMahonin there, so that, truthfully,
she could put an eye on this andtear it down to the bare bones
required at the national level.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, and of course, you know the, the, the prying,
and, you know, pro clutching.
Is that what's going to happento these poor students?
You mean the poor students thatyou've been failing miserably
for decades, those students,yeah, it can't get worse than
what you have done.
It can get better and I thinkit will get better, you know.

(32:52):
And again, it's not that thesefunds and resources are just
disappearing.
They're getting relocated todifferent departments.
Who are going to oversee that?
And you know, most importantly,I believe it's those funds are
going to actually go to thestates and they can determine
what their schools independentlyneed, you know.

(33:12):
So, yeah, you know they like tostir up the hysteria and the
panic and, you know, tug ateverybody's heartstrings.
Like these poor students,they're going to lose their
loans, they're going to loseeverything.
Their educations are going todecline Like.
Did you forget that?
We're like, what are we 27th in?
You know, give me a break.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Stop.
I grabbed my phone because it'sum.
You know, chicago publicschools my hometown, chicago, is
is a great example of what DOEhas not done.
Okay, so they just announcedChicago public school systems,
um is laying off 432 teachers,677 special education classroom

(33:54):
assistants, 311paraprofessionals and 33
security officers.
Okay, this summer, beforeschool starts.
And the reason?
A couple of the reasons are thisChicago, the city, has
mismanaged funds horribly, butalso because the S' unions have
protected employees for so longand to such a degree that

(34:19):
they've bloated the budgetbeyond the needs of the children
.
There are schools in the city ofChicago and we may have talked
about this on the show wherethey've consolidated schools and
school districts, where you'vegot two in the same building.
You literally have two fulladministrative staffs in the
same building with a studentload of under a couple of

(34:43):
hundred kids, but you've got twofull administrative.
So these are the places wherethe Department of Education
truthfully should be gettinginvolved to make sure that you
don't have money being spent tosupport, you know, the educators
and not the educated Right.
That's where we've lost sightof the value of this
organization is it has gone moretowards protecting teachers and

(35:07):
curriculum, correcting teachersand curriculum.
Read that as messaging, as inwhatever you want to call it,
right DEI, grooming all theseother things that are coming out
of it, and not about the truebenefit, and focus on educating
our children.
And you said it our readingrates, our math rates,
everywhere we rank in the world,has gone nothing but down since

(35:28):
the inception of the DOE, sothey've proven their value at
zero.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, absolutely.
So no sympathy from me.
I am kind enough to say thatanyone losing their job and
their livelihood is terrifyingfor them, most certainly, but do
not blame the Trumpadministration for that.
Blame the inefficiency and thefailing of the people who are

(35:57):
running that department.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
So you know, that's that's the extent upset at are
your union and the Department ofEducation.
Right AdministrationAdministrations come and go,
right Unions and their focus andtheir you know their
administrations last for a verylong time, as does the
Department of Education as aninstitution.
You should be upset with yourschool district.

(36:35):
You should be upset with yourteacher's union.
You should be upset with yourstate Department of Education,
all of those things because theyhaven't done anything to
protect, truthfully protect youas a teacher and your employment
and the benefit of the children, because that's where all of
this resides is the kids.
This is it's.
We are so upside down on this,it's not even funny.

(36:57):
And these cuts, truthfully, arewell needed.
Take that money, give it to thestates and you can fix a lot of
this.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
I look forward to seeing what'sgoing to be next, because I
think it's going to be allreally really good, beneficial
things.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
So, yeah, my only fear and I'll throw one little
caveat on this is that now youdon't have oversight at a
federal level, or you have verylittle oversight at a federal
level for some of those stateswho are controversial in what's
being taught Right, don't havethe ability, any robust ability

(37:35):
at the federal level to look inon places like California and
states like that, where you knowthe content of their curriculum
is, you know, probably worthsome speculation or at least
something you should look into,right, we won't be able to do
that.
So now you've got a problem atthe state level where kids
coming out of California arepotentially at a disadvantage,
or even you know what they'rebeing taught is is you know.
There's not a lot of oversightthere, so there's, there's some

(37:56):
give and take here, but I wouldmuch rather cut DOE at the
federal level and let the stateshave it.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, and you know, and hopefully that
means that that parents willget more involved in, more of a
say in what's going on withtheir children's education.
Because, as it is right now inthe, in the public school
setting, you know they'regetting shut out, they're
getting kicked out of you knowcourt of education meetings and

(38:22):
silenced, and that's not okay,that's not acceptable.
And, and again, you know, somany changes have gone on right
With the higher rate of, and Idon't know what the numbers are.
I'm actually super curious whatthe numbers are.
Maybe if somebody is watchingand they want to throw it in the
comments, you can go quickly,search it and tell me, um, what
the rate of homeschooling is now, or alternative schooling.

(38:46):
I know it's definitely gone up.
I'm just, I'm super curiouswhat those actual numbers are.
You know, because I've I'vesaid it many times before, I'll
say it again I am super thrilledthat my grandbabies are going
to be homeschooled and you know,if my daughter and son-in-law
got to a point where they'relike, oh it's, you know it's

(39:06):
kind of tough.
I don't know if it's going towork financially, we're going to
have to.
I'm like I will stop everything.
I will come, I will take.
I will do it.
I will do it just to keep them,and I know and this is not a
knock against all public schoolteachers and personnel and all
of that there are so manywonderful, amazing um public
school teachers.
I have public school teachersthat I love and adore and I'm so

(39:30):
grateful to to this day for, uh, being a part of shaping my
life and who I am and all ofthose things, and that even goes
for the ones that were terrible, because they had a pretty
impressive impression as well.
Um showed me what not to do andnot to be, but, yes, so all the
respect in the world to thoseyou know, thousands and

(39:52):
thousands of caring, dedicated,great public school teachers.
It's not against you, it'sagainst the system that you are
essentially trapped in as wellbecause of the way things are.
So wanted to make that clearbecause I come down hard on the
public schools.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Listen, I you know my sisters.
My older sister's anadministrator and my younger
sister is a teacher.
Listen, folks, I was asubstitute teacher for a year
and a half in a charter school.
I've been in the midst of it,all of it, and I see what it
looks like and I've seen whatthe environment is, and it was a
K through 12 school, and so youknow we're not speaking out of

(40:30):
turn as if we're just people onthe sidelines.
We're both invested in all ofthis and, again, very much like
our first topic, our concern isour children, and when I say our
children, I say the children ofthis nation, because they are
I'm not quoting Whitney Houstonbut they are the future right.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Like denying they're literally the most important
thing, they are our mostimportant resource there are,
they are literally everything.
So, to not be investingeverything that we possibly have
and can do to create, you know,just balanced great little

(41:08):
humans in this world, like it'spretty much the priority of
everything, just my personalopinion there.
So, yeah, yeah, any, anythingthat we can do to better the
system and I think that I thinkwe're going to see that.
You know, like you did say, andI do agree with you, there's
always going to be the outliers,the exceptions and all of that
where things do get worse.
Um, but again, it's parents,just step step up, stay super

(41:32):
vocal, get super involved, um,to the best of your abilities
and, um, you know, force, forcethat change.
You have the ultimate say inyour children and what they're
learning.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
So yeah, there's that Cause, if you don't get
involved, they end up in prison.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yes, yes, oh, what a beautiful.
Oh, that was so good, so goodLove, that Love that I was
trying to.
I was trying to think of a goodone and you just nailed it.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Obviously, this is focused on.
You know about 5,000, right, Ithink, is the capacity number
5,000 illegal immigrants.
You know in, um, you know,temporary housing in the
deportation process, um, and itwas put there for a number of
reasons.
One, because it was availableto because of the inhospitable
environment, um, you know thatsurrounds it, being the

(42:22):
Everglades.
You know alligators, uh, themassive amount of, uh, pythons
that are now living out there,which is crazy, super remote.
You know the weather as well,and so you know there's a lot of
controversy about this.
National Guard is doing a lotof the heavy lifting as far as
manning, but really the goal forthis is to encourage, if not

(42:48):
force, self-deportation whenpeople know you're going
alligator, Alcatraz, if you getcaught, people will self-deport.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
They don't want to go there, right, right and yeah,
it's not designed to be a summercamp, guys, like we have, and I
have the clip and I'll show it,and I'm probably going to stop
it a couple of times throughout,because she said so many things
that I just find highly amusingand entertaining.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz oh,I'm sorry to do this to you guys

(43:18):
, but so she's.
She went to take her tour, youknow, so she could see what's
going on for herself there andthe clip is.
I just took a portion of her ofthe clip.
But before she speaks, there's agentleman whose name I did not
catch spoke before her and hewas talking about the same thing
.
He went in there, went for thetour, he walked around, he saw

(43:39):
everything and he has I wouldn'tcall it like a glowing review,
like it's a resort.
He's describing what he sawthere and what he saw compared
to what Debbie saw, two verydifferent things.
Um, he said the accommodationswere reasonable and fine and
clean, the food smelled good,appealing.

(44:00):
Um, did not look like anythingthat he would deem as horrific
or inhumane or anything likethat.
So he finishes up and Debbiecomes up with.
You know her, you know herdrama.
So here's what she had to say.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
Review their detention standards.
They are using cages.
These detainees are living incages I.
The pictures that you've seendon't do it justice.
They are essentially packedinto cages wall to wall humans.
They are essentially packedinto cages wall to wall humans.
32 detainees per cage.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
So I'm going to stop right there and let's reiterate
the point this isn't a resort.
This isn't a five star hotel.
You are not going on vacationthere.
You are there because you arehere illegally and you declined
the option to deport yourself,so you are a lawbreaker.

(44:55):
This is your prison, not aresort, debbie.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
That is the only thing.
Inside those cages are the bunkbeds and there are three tiny
toilets that are toilet unitsthat have a sink attached to it,
so they essentially drink, theyget their drinking water and
they brush their teeth wherethey poop, in the same unit.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
So the 12-year-old boy in my brain is laughing
because she used the term poop.
But you know again, not aresort Deb, not a vacation right
.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
First of all, that toilet is in every prison in
America.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
But that is also Japanese technology.
They do that all over the placein Japan because what it does
is that water that you wash yourhands with drains into the tank
of the toilet and then that'swhat's used to flush.
It is reusing essentially whatis gray water instead of, you
know, clean water to flush thetoilet itself.

(45:57):
It's actually super efficientand you know, but again she's
finding something to complainabout.
Go ahead and play the rest, thenext part of the clip.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
They bragged that they went above standards,
supposedly, and gave them athree-foot privacy wall that
stretches the length inside the32 detainee cage.
A three-foot privacy wall thatstretches the length of the
three toilets in a row.
The showers provide no privacyat all.
There are no curtains on it.
It's a big, open shower unit.
There are no curtains on it.
It's a big, open shower unit.

(46:25):
There are, you know, smallwalls in each, in each shower,
but you know we're talking aboutall 900 men who are held in
this, in this facility 900,right, exactly what?

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Like this is every high school bathroom gym class
thing that has ever existed.
Dormitories in college still dothis.
This is not uncommon.
I don't know where thecomplaint comes from.
This is some sort of inhumanetreatment.
She clearly has never been in abarracks in the military in her
life.
Because this?

Speaker 3 (46:59):
stuff happens everywhere.
Yes, totally normal.
Here she is, she's still going.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
It is built currently for 1,000.
And they have no privacy at allwhen they're showering For
meals.
When we walked through thequote, unquote meal prep area,
the kitchen area, for lack of abetter term the portion that
they had, the portions that wereavailable for detainees and
they had the portions that wereavailable for employees being
prepared at the same time, theportions available for employees

(47:25):
large pieces of roast chicken,large sausages and the
detainees' lunches were a small,you know, gray turkey and
cheese sandwich, an apple andchips.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Okay, so they're getting room and board right,
all the amenities, shelter,clean your three square meals a
day.
I'm not seeing the problem here, especially when these people
are technically there by choice.
Like you made a decision to nottake one option.

(48:05):
Again, I'm restating what Ialready said you declined the
option to leave on your own.
Now you're going to be hereuntil we forcefully make you
leave.
Not even close to what youthink you're portraying here is

(48:28):
so silly.
And why would they get the samemeal as the people who are
working there?
Why and I'm thinking, you knowto, to a homeless person, I'm
thinking a nice Turkey sandwichand a nice apple, and what was
it?
A bag of chips.
It's pretty nice meal.
It's pretty good.
You know just my opinion.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
I, I, I know I'm going to tell a war story.
I don't often do this on thisshow, but I will tell you my
first deployment to Afghanistanin 2002.
I know that's a long time ago,but it's not that long ago.
Okay, my very first deploymentin 2002, due to a number of
circumstances, I, we were livingremote, um, and and everybody

(49:09):
who fought especially inAfghanistan will relate to this
story Um, but I went an entiremonth without a shower, okay, a
month, um.
I went an entire month with nolaundry and when I finally did
laundry myself, it was nokidding wash tub, wash board,
right and as soon as I hung itall to dry, a sandstorm came

(49:30):
through and made everything thatI own look like a sugar cookie.
All right, I spent three weeks.
Every single meal was either anMRE or it was boil in bag kind
of food.
We did not have fresh food forthree weeks.
Three weeks, okay, until we gotan actual cooked meal, right,
we had to airdrop steaks in inthe middle of the night to get

(49:54):
fresh food.
Okay, so the fact that they aregetting fresh food, the fact
that there's and oh, by the way,we slept in tents, non-climate,
controlled right, tents, thatwas how we lived.
There was one computer for 750guys.
There were two Iridium phonesfor 750 guys.

(50:14):
This is the lap of luxury circa2002, eastern Afghanistan.
So I don't want to hear.
If that's okay, if that's goodenough for our soldiers, I don't
want to hear this crap from heror anybody else for that matter
.
They're sleeping inside.
They have oh, by the way, wewere burning feces like this is
not no port-a-johns, noport-a-johns.
Right, we were burning feces,right?

(50:35):
We have more toilets, they'vegot showers, they've got all of
these things.
If soldiers can live like thatfor months on end, these people
who had the option to go backwhere they came from, can live
in alligator Alcatraz.
I don't want to hear it, noteven a little bit.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Yeah, no, no, there there will be no violins playing
for any of that pearl clutchingsob story that she just tried.
And there was a little.
There was an actual, an actualmoment when she did this, which
I loved.
I was going to stop it.
I'm like, oh, let her, let herkeep going.
Oh, good grief.
So yeah, so that's the lateston that.
And, um, I have this many youknow what's to give about their

(51:17):
conditions.
So, yeah, somebody is going toget mad at me for even even
implying what I just did there.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
She's a great.
This is a great transition toour last major topic before we
get to a funnier one, and thatis people like her why the
democratic party is in turmoil.
Yeah, president Obama just saidit, whatever it was.
A week ago he was at a notactually a private engagement in
New Jersey where he was caughtsaying that the Democrats, the

(51:46):
party itself, the members of theparty, need to toughen up.
They need to stop rolling intofetal positions.
They need to stop crying andwhining.
They need to toughen up becausethis super weak stance that
they take on absolutelyeverything, the American public
is getting sick of it.
They're tired of listening toit.
They're tired of blaming Trumpfor everything.
They're tired of you know thethe blame, shifting the finger,

(52:09):
pointing the you know victim,you know playing the victim at
every opportunity.
And he just got echoed by RahmEmanuel, his former you know, I
think chief was.
I think he was the chief ofstaff.
Rahm Emanuel said the samething.
It's been echoed over and overagain.
I've said James Carville's beensaying it for years, and now
you're starting to catch it fromthe media too, because

(52:30):
Charlamagne Tha God you knowjumped on the Obama quote and
said yeah, we know, theDemocrats have been weak for a
decade for decades, and you'redefinitely seeing this very
clear fracture between these twosides, so to speak.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Your AOCs, your Wassermans, your what's this guy
in New York?
You know all these people?
Oh, mamdani.
You know you're seeing thisvery big split and it's going to
be very interesting to see andwe've been watching this for a
long time because we've seen itcoming down the pike.
Big, big shifts are going tosee and we've been watching this

(53:08):
for a long time because we'veseen it coming down the pike Big
, big shifts are going to happenand I don't know who's going to
win control of this party.
Historically, you would say,well, the younger generation is
going to win your AOCs andeverything.
But you know you're not reallydealing with.
You know, these old dinosaurs.
These are people who are, youknow, obama.
They may want to consider him adinosaur and now they'll start
playing him off as one now,because now he doesn't serve

(53:30):
their purpose anymore.
You know.
So they'll try and push him out.
But you know, I mean you havesome people with some bigger
voices that that are reallybasically telling them to knock
it off right now.
You know, basically slappingtheir hands pretty hard and
saying you know, enough isenough, we got to change tactics
.
You are losing.
You are bleeding um, um supportright now and people are just

(53:54):
walking away.
And uh, who knows what willhappen with Elon's party.
You know, you may get more ofthose people than you would have
actually thought to begin with.
Uh, chris Como, uh, when I seethat one, I've got that one, too
.
Went on a rant against.
This is all he does not in thisclip.
I don't even think he saysAOC's name, but this is all
about AOC.
Here it is.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Impeach Trump is the opposite of having a better idea
.
You're killing your party.
You're killing your party andlook, I hope it works out for
you.
I.
You're killing your party and,look, I hope it works out for
you.
I hope you guys splinter offand become, you know, whatever
you really are, because you'renot a capitalist and you're not
a Democrat and you know you cansay well, what do you know?
I was raised by a real one.
I was raised by a real one.

(54:35):
Go ahead and criticize MarioCuomo.
What's going to be your biggestinsult that he spawned me and
Andrew.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
So he goes on.
He's got, you know, he's gotmore to say, but it is it's.
It was actually, you know, nota fan, but that was actually a
pretty impressive uh againstthem.
He's not wrong at all, and it'svery interesting to see this
being called out.
So, uh, what do you guys thinkin the comments?
Do you think that this party,the democrat party, is going to
fracture into two differentparties?

(55:02):
Do you think that one is justgoing to devour the other?
And if so, who's going to win?
Who's going to win that battle?
You know, I think they're.
I don't know.
I don't know the answer to that.
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (55:16):
So, it's interesting because they've done some
analysis, some actual dataanalysis, and where they are
losing the most voters is menanalysis, and where they are
losing the most voters is men.
So they were always very like.
Hey, we know white males aregenerally conservative, that
they count on that they talkedabout it in the last election

(55:37):
the amount of women that votethe same direction as their
husband solely because of theirhusband, right, all that garbage
that they threw out there.
But really what they've noticedis that, specifically, lots and
lots and lots of Hispanic malesare leaving and flipping over
to the conservative side.
But they also saw it's not ahuge number, but it is a huge
percentage of black males thatmoved over to the conservative

(55:58):
side and we're starting to seemore and more of that.
But it goes back to the exactthings that President Obama said
, that Cuomo's talking about,that Rahm Emanuel's talking
about, and that it's this soft,you know, like blame.
Everybody whine and cry andthrow a fit and there's no
toughness in the DemocraticParty.

(56:18):
Tim Walz was utter and completefailure in that sense.
Right, he was supposed to betheir man's man and he's not.
And everybody sniffed it out ina heartbeat.
They don't have that, andunless they have that, they're
going to continue to bleed malevoters until they regain that.
I mean, think about it.
Men loved Bill Clinton.
Why?
Because the guy right, he wasguy's guy.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Yeah, they tried to.
We already know he's a lot ofother things but surface value
here presentation.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
He was very likable period and they tried to
manufacture that with Obama withthe sports thing, right.
Espn was complicit in that.
Oh, let's go talk.
He's a basketball guy, he playsand let's do his picks for the
tournament of 64, and blah, blah, blah.
Everybody saw through that too,right?
But now you've got Biden, whowas too old to show anything

(57:08):
manly, right.
And now everything comingbehind him is weak and so
they're bleeding male voters andthere's turmoil in the party,
and God love them.
If they think that David Hogan,the people like him, are their
saviors, then fine, put him backin a position of power.
He's backing candidates.
Now I mean, you want to talkabout turmoil in the party?

(57:30):
He is publicly backingcandidates and gaining attention
for doing it.
Do more of that, please do more.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Please do more.
Aoc keeps screeching, jasmineCrockett keeps screeching, all
of them keep doing exactly whatyou're doing.
We are loving it, and I knowthey like to think that maga is
fracturing, because we're youknow now we're just yelling.
We're like a big, old, big olditalian family all yelling at
each other.
But we're good, we're fine,we're all fine.

(57:59):
Um, so listen, our very lastthing.
Right, push it right to thewire here, a little bit past the
wire, but that's okay, becausecome on now.
Oh, michelle obama is alwayscrying and whining and
complaining about her horrible,tough life and how hard it is to

(58:20):
be her, uh, on her podcast.
That is what her podcast,apparently, is all about how
difficult everything is for her,and now she's been generous
enough to include all ofwomankind and how hard we have
it and that men can't possiblyunderstand.

Speaker 6 (58:40):
Here she is, we have so many landmines and barriers
and don'ts and limitations.
It's you know, I mean Craig,you're the guy at the table, but
I think it's important for allguys listening, especially men
raising daughters, to realizethat difference, you know, and
that thing that, inadvertently,as you are loving and raising

(59:01):
these beautiful girls, there areso many rules that make us
small, baked in without ourknowing it.
You know, and I wish I could.
I mean I well, you know, Iremember people say oh well,
she's a female doctor, asopposed to just she's a doctor.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
OK, first of all, shut up.
Shut up with yourridiculousness.
Ok, I am not limited, any moreso than what a man is limited.
We are limited in differentthings because we are different
from each other.
So my limitations are morebiology related and, by the way,

(59:38):
they're not limitations,they're just simply differences.
So don't lump me in with you,as I'm some kind of victim of
anything.
We have a lot of stuff that goeson with us physically.
I'm not arguing any of thatthat men do not have.
I mean, our whole biologicaldesign makes life a little
difficult for us.
Yes, we have a differentexperience than men, but I am

(01:00:02):
not going to jump into thisridiculous club of women who
need to put down men and theirexperience to just build up my
poor me.
And then let's just talk abouther specifically and Julia
Louis-Dreyfus, who I actuallylove as an actress.
We've talked about this before.
I find her comedic timing.

(01:00:22):
She is brilliant as a comedicactress.
Love her Other than that.
That's all I can say on that.
But for these two women who aremultimillionaires, who live in
big, beautiful mansions, havesecurity details and protection
and their own podcast where theycan sit in this beautiful and

(01:00:46):
their own podcast where they cansit in this beautiful, lovely
environment and to have theaudacity to be like us.
Women all have it so hard.
Our, our lived experience is somuch harder than anything else,
and it's baked in, baked in.
Is this going to be like thenew catchphrase now?
Like, oh, my lived experience,it's just baked into who I am.

(01:01:07):
Stop.
And, by the way, since when isit wrong or bad to acknowledge
if a doctor is male or female?
That is what you are.
If you are female and you're adoctor, you are a female doctor.
That's not an insult, it's nota slur, it's not a knock against

(01:01:27):
who you are.
Or what you bring Maybe tosomebody is maybe somebody, some
guy, some crotchety old guy islike hey, sweetheart, I'd rather
have a male doctor.
You know not you a little bit.
So what?
Give them a male doctor, it'snot your problem.
Move on with your life and gotreat somebody else.
That's my rant.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
So you hit on something that is supremely
important, and that is they wantto whitewash the fact that
someone is a woman.
Right, this goes back to thetransgender, the athletes, the
men and women, all of thosethings, all those arguments that
they're trying to, you know,eliminate by taking that

(01:02:06):
designator out of theconversation is another way to
you know.
It's not breeding equality,folks.
I hate to break it to you, butit goes back to our last topic,
which is this is exactly thestuff that her husband is
talking about.
Right, whining and complaining,right, toughen up a little bit
and you know, and that's, youknow, that's how you stop losing

(01:02:30):
everything.
But you know his wife, you knowyou can.
I don't care about the rumors.
You know the difference ofopinion between the two of them
and the potential rocky marriagecrap that's going on.
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
I don't care, I really don'tcare.

(01:02:51):
But I will tell you, the onlything that would make that
entire table funnier and dumberthan it already was is if they
put Meghan Markle in there andsuck her at that table, and that
would be a whole differentlevel of you know.
Feel sorry for us because ourlife is so challenging, because
she is the reigning queen rightnow in absurdity when it comes
to it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Yes, oh, my goodness, all right guys Weigh in on all
of it.
Thank you all for watching andallowing me the space Right.
Thank you for saving what isthe newest, it's all baked in.
Yeah, it's all baked in.
It's all baked in that I neededthe space to feel comfortable
to share my feelings, whatever.
Anyhow, it's all baked in that.
You know I needed the space tofeel comfortable to share my

(01:03:27):
feelings, whatever.
Anyhow, it's all good.
Guys, like I said, weigh in onthe comments.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Clay, you close them out.
Folks, as always, we appreciateyou popping in and you know
Elsa and I are involved in a lotof stuff and we're super, super
busy, but we love taking thishour every week to spend it with
you all.
And until next time from me,keep moving, keep shooting.

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