Heroes and Hypocrites

Devastating floods in Texas have killed over 100 people with many still missing as the water rose with shocking speed, giving residents almost no warning or time to evacuate.

• Coast Guard rescue swimmer Scott Ruskin saved 165 lives during his first-ever operation, also treating 230 people as the only medical manager on site
• Politicians and celebrities quickly politicized the tragedy with false claims about weather service funding and partisan blame
• The DOJ announced there is "no Epstein client list" despite years of public discussion about such evidence
• Ghislaine Maxwell remains imprisoned for trafficking, raising questions about who the clients were if no list exists
• Elon Musk's "American Party" targets congressional seats rather than the presidency, potentially holding the balance of power in close votes
• James Gunn stated the new Superman movie is explicitly "about politics" and immigration, further alienating audiences tired of political messaging in entertainment

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
it's the Elsa Kirk show with Clay Novak serving up
trending news and conservativeviews brought to you by the Elsa
Kirk collection and don't knowif it's all fun.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's never all fun.
We know better than that.
But we have a system here,right, clay, we start off hard,
right, like we.
We just throw it at you, we getit over and done with, and then
we move on to fun stuff, right?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, we always hit the big one first and we got a
couple of big ones this week andI'm a little irritated about
some of this stuff.
I'm maybe a little bit moreanimated than normal, but some
of this stuff really got undermy skin.
But we got some big stuff totalk about folks and, as
promised, we will end withsomething a little bit lighter.
As promised, we will end withsomething a little bit lighter,
a few little little lighterthings at the end, just to go
out on a happier note.
But uh, it started right afterthis.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Floods, feds and fake heroes.
Welcome to the show where wecall it like it is.
Texas is underwater, the DOJ isburying Epstein secrets,
trump's up for a Nobel, musk isbuilding a new party and
Hollywood's turning Supermaninto a border policy lecture.
Buckle up, patriots, it's goingto get real.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh, is it ever?
So?
I mean, right off the top,let's just hit the I mean
honestly, the most devastatingone, right off the bat, right,
Just just awful, awful, awful,um, and it's so crazy.
You know, we have the um, Ihave there's obviously there's
tons of video, right, clay, Imean it's all over the place, um

(01:53):
, but this one and I chopped itup a bit, um, just to just for
time and uh, it's like atime-lapse.
So somebody had done atime-lapse, it was like about a
35 minute time lapse, and theysped it up.
I took it and kind of choppedit up, but it just gives us that
, that overview of how fast thishappened.

(02:16):
Where is that?
Let's see, here it is.
Yeah, so here, let me take thatoff of there so we can actually
see that time-lapse.
So this is and I love that theyput the clock down at the
bottom there Just watching howthis water is just moving
through and wait, do you see theend of this?
It's just crazy to me, and Ithink this guy is like standing

(02:42):
on.
He's on like a bridge, which iscrazy in itself, as as, as is
obvious.
I took the sound off because itwas like kind of really loud,
but look at this, it's goingright underneath there.
You see all that debris is justbuilding up, building up.
Now here we are, 23 minuteslater.
From the start.
Look at this 23 minutes later.

(03:04):
That has got to be soterrifying to watch and I'm not
sure if I give this guy creditfor standing there and recording
it all and not getting tosafety.
Um, but yeah, see the house.
Just insane 35 minutes thereand it's gonna I think that's

(03:28):
gonna cut out right about now.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Um, yeah, awful yeah, so, um, six counties, uh
expected so kerr travis, uh,kendall burnett, williamson and
tom Green counties and, forthose that don't know, texas,
well, that is Austin as a whole,everything around Austin, a

(03:53):
little bit west of Austin, northof San Antonio, and then one
other county a little north ofthat right now, and okay, so
it's Wednesday, 430 in theafternoon, eastern time.
Because it matters thattimestamp matters, because right
now the count I saw was 119 and161 still missing.

(04:15):
Yeah okay, and again, thatnumber will change before this
airs on Thursday.
Yeah, I saw everything from sixinches in some places.
Most places was 10 to 12 inches.
Uh, some places were 20 inches,um, but but you know, you're
that that film you showed really, what that tells you is not

(04:37):
necessarily how much water, buthow fast.
I mean you can get 20 inches ofrain spread over two days or
three days.
It'll be bad, but it won't belike that.
I mean 20 inches of rain.
That happened in a matter of afew hours, folks, and so that's
the result that you get.
You get flash flood, scary,scary kind of stuff.
Yeah, and water.

(04:59):
Water is the worst.
It's strong, it's powerful,it's heavy, it is.
It will flow around throughover anything and everything in
its path.
It will carry.
You know the house is a primeexample.
You know water and this, youknow this is a case of the word,
you know one of the worst casescenarios, but water is just,

(05:22):
can, has the power to beabsolutely devastating, and
that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, and you add that next layer.
You know all of those thingsthat you said.
And then there's the whole partabout you can't see what's in
that water when it's moving.
The fact that you know.
You see all the time these,these videos of people thinking
like it'll be such a great ideato get out on their canoe or
their raft.
And you know, even if they'redoing that with the best of
intentions to try and rescuesomebody, or they're trying to

(05:47):
walk through it or swim throughit, you have no idea what's in
that water, and it's just youknow.
The dangers are just multipliedby that.
But you know the reason.
You know why I'm personallyemphasizing that timeline, how
fast that happened, um isbecause of all the disgusting
accusations.

(06:07):
You know and and I think that'sreally one of the most
sickening parts um of all ofthis that and there's been
plenty, but I'm sure you guyshave seen it as well Um, you
know just from the media,mainstream media outlets, the
alphabet media outlets, um, youknow right away going with.
You know blaming Trump and cutsto the National Weather Service

(06:30):
, and you know all of thatnonsense.
You know just running withcompletely false information and
just bringing more damage to analready awful situation People
just being disgusting, horrifichumans.
There's a couple people thathave actually gotten fired from

(06:54):
their jobs.
There's this woman here whodecided that this was a great
comment to make.
She is, or was, a doctor.
She, I believe, has beenianpediatrician pediatrician, right
, yeah, you know.
And there's several others.
I just you know.

(07:15):
I don't want to give thesedisgusting people any more
attention.
You know, definitely want themcalled out for being horrific
humans, but you know just theflip side of that.
This guy here, 26-year-oldCoast Guard rescue swimmer,
scott Ruskin, saved 165 livesduring the Texas floods.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
So he is a rescue swimmer in the Coast Guard,
which is, you know, listen,coast Guard doesn't get enough
credit and I've said this anumber of times.
You know, before 9-11, coastGuard was in contact with bad
people every single day and thenyou know, we use them.
When I was deployed, they havearrest authority.
They can arrest people.

(07:57):
So we had Coast Guardsmen onmore than one occasion assigned
or attached to us when we wouldgo after some high value folks
that needed to be potentiallyarrested by US authorities and
then sent to places where USprisoners went.
So I worked with Coastiesbefore.
They're very underrated folks,very professional organization
and they put their butt on theline on a regular basis and this

(08:18):
guy is a prime example.
So he's a rescue swimmer andreally folks.
It's not a great movie, but ifyou want a taste for rescue
swimmers, there is a movie outthere with some big names called
the Guardian.
It's got Kevin Costner andAshton Kutcher in it and it'll
give you a little taste of whatrescue swimmers are capable of.
But these folks are trained tojump into the worst of

(08:41):
conditions, literally.
Think off the coast of Alaska,think, you know, off the coast
of California and Florida, andobviously, in situations like
this, to jump in.
And not only are theyunbelievably talented, skilled
and strong swimmers, um, they'rescuba capable, they're medic
capable, Um, they, they havetons and tons of training I

(09:01):
think their training pipelinesover a year, um, just to get
certified right and a high, highbreakout rate.
Um, so this guy was stationedin corporate Corpus Christi, uh,
and you know this was his veryfirst operation rescue.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Wow, I don't think I realized that part of it.
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
So 165 rescues.
Right, there are divers, thereare rescue swimmers who will not
get 10 rescues in their career,will not get 15 or 20,
depending on how long they stayin.
So this guy is 165 on his firstgo, plus he triaged and treated
230 total people because he wasthe only medical manager on

(09:43):
site, so when he wasn't in thewater he was doing medic duties
on top of it to save all ofthese people.
Unfortunately and I reallybelieve that an exception should
be made the Coast Guard doeshave a Medal of Honor as a
service branch.
There's only been one CoastGuardsman who's ever been
awarded it.
But the problem is is thatMedal of Honor is traditionally
for actions in combat?
But the problem is is thatMedal of Honor is traditionally

(10:05):
for actions in combat?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I see.
Well, they need to createsomething.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
They have another.
You know top tier, you knowaward, but I think for the Coast
Guard, because of what they do,you know this guy, this is
unbelievable.
If there's anybody thatdeserves a Medal of Honor, this
is this guy.
This is unbelievable.
If there's anybody thatdeserves a medal of honor, this
is the guy right.
Yeah, oh, my goodness, and Ithink there needs to be some
sort of adjustment made.
I don't know, maybe just withinthe Coast Guard or something,

(10:33):
but unbelievable what this guydid and good on him.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I mean really really good on him, 26 years old.
Yeah, unreal, wow Talk aboutbeing made for such a time as
this he was perfect guy, perfectplace, perfect yes, yep, wow
yeah.
And, um, yeah, I'm so, I'm soglad to see him getting the, the
acknowledgement.
And, you know, like every,every true hero, it's probably,

(10:59):
you know, horrifying to him tobe singled out like that.
He probably would say he's justdoing his job, you know, and
God, god, love him for that too.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
You know I saw an interview with a couple of other
rescue divers, some some localfolks who got in, maybe, you
know, after he did, or maybe indifferent locations, and what
you don't think about, um, withthis is and let's just talk,
unfortunately, about Camp Mystic, which is one of the things
everyone's talking about.
And let's just talk,unfortunately, about Camp Mystic
, which is one of the thingseveryone's talking about.
Camp Mystic is a kid's camp andyou know it's been around for a

(11:29):
very, very long time.
In fact it's got a tie to theBush family.
I don't know if you saw that ornot.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
I did not.
I knew there were a lot ofdifferent ties.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
But yeah, I didn't realize that one.
So President Bush, uh, his wifewas a counselor there.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Uh, when she was younger and is Jenna the blonde,
is she?

Speaker 3 (11:51):
the one that's on TV, their daughter, yes, so because
mom had been a counselor there,they had sent in years past
their two kids to that camp,right.
So this camp's been around fora long time.
It's, it's well-known, it'swell-respected, um, respected,
but that that camp was in themiddle of this, you know there
are some horrifying stories.
You know the counselors therewere a total of 27 campers and

(12:13):
counselors, including thedirector himself was were killed
during this and the directorwas killed, notably trying to
save and protect kids, notablytrying to save and protect kids,
and and so.
But going back to the rescuedivers, you know those folks are
going in the water and and nowthat it's been a day, or three,
or four, they're.

(12:40):
This is not, this is not rescueanymore, this is recovery.
So, unfortunately, what thosefolks are going to go into is
some very dirty, muddy water andthey're going in to find people
that are deceased and probablynot in great shape.
So you know there's a flip side, a gut, very gut wrenching side
to that heroic effort by, youknow, petty Officer Ruskin from
the Coast Guard is that you knowthere's, there is obviously the

(13:00):
awful stuff that comes with it.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, yeah, there's going to be a huge emotional
toll, toll to be paying for forthose efforts and, and you know,
I hope they get the, the, thelove and the care and the
respect and you know, everythingthat they, they need, they will
be needing from, from this kindof experience.
It's just, it's devastating.
I can't, you know, I watchedthe video, I watched the news, I

(13:23):
watched the stories and I can'tyou know you, we can't, you
just can't truly wrap your brainaround it.
You know, you think you can,you think you can imagine it.
You cry, it breaks your heart,all of the things.
But to, to live it andexperience it as is something
completely other.
And I and I think that's why,for myself and, of course, for
you and so many others whoactually have compassionate

(13:46):
bones in their bodies, are soappalled and disgusted by the
behaviors and comments andsentiments of, you know, just
random people on the Internetwho forget, you know, their
humanity.
And just you know the stupidity, just the stupid things, just
you know the stupidity, just thestupid things.
You know celebrities areprobably my absolute favorite

(14:06):
for saying incredibly stupid,ignorant things and just
parroting nonsense that theyhear.
And you know your perfectexample, and yes, I have.
And I'm sorry, guys, it'syou're going to hate me for
putting this up here, but youknow this is representative of
the idiocy.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Here it is and what a horror story in Texas.
The flash floods in Texas, theGuadalupe River 51 missing, 51
dead, more missing children at acamp.
And you know when the presidentguts all of the early warning
systems and the weatheringforecast abilities of the

(14:43):
government.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I'm going to stop for a second.
You know, if she had juststopped, if she had just stopped
at the and of course this wasearlier on, obviously those
numbers went up since she hadposted this video right up on
her face like that If she hadjust stopped at acknowledging
the tragedy?
But then where does she have togo?
Right away from her little safespace in Ireland, cause she

(15:08):
couldn't bear to live here underpresident Trump.
But she can't help but weigh inon this stuff.
This is exactly where she goes.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
These are the results that we're going to start to
see on a daily basis, becausehe's put this country in so much
danger by his horrible,horrible decisions and this
ridiculously immoral bill thathe just signed into law.
As Republicans cheered asRepublicans cheered.

(15:40):
People will die as a result,and they've started already.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
I mean, you know way to not only just politicize a
weather event tragedy, but to doso so utterly and completely,
100% incorrectly.
And you know, as always, thething that yanks my chain is
that there's not, she'll neverbackpedal.

(16:07):
She'll never come back out andsay I was wrong, I apologize.
You know, she had her moment,she had her little, her little
dramatic statement there.
And this is what these peopledo, and they spread these lies
and false information.
And the problem with that, youknow, and I know a lot of people
will say well, who listens toRosie O'Donnell cares?

(16:28):
Which is it?
The problem is she's like Isaid, she's parroting what these
other people, these mainstreammedia which, by the way, you may
not be listening to what RosieO'Donnell says, but you're, you
can be damn sure that there area lot of people listening to
what the mainstream media saysand taking it as truth and then
running with it.
You know, it's that, um, Idon't know.

(16:49):
It's like the bad version of,like the butterfly effect.
They just keep spreading thisgarbage, um, did you see clay?
The other thing, the other one Iwanted to touch on on this was
the um.
You know, it brings out all ofthe things right.
It brings out the heroes andand the amazing stories of of
courage and greatness.
Those are my favorite ones.
Those are the ones I wouldreally prefer to focus on.

(17:10):
Um, it brings out the zeros,like that, that pediatrician, um
, who's absolute garbage, and um.
And it also brings out my otherfavorite the conspiracy
theorists.
And I have a little bit of itin my blood, so I have nothing
against it, but sometimes itgets a little carried away, and
I think this is one of the cases.

(17:31):
I think this is it.
Yeah, the cloud seeding.
Did you see the people blamingcloud seeding?

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, I've seen this seeding.
Yeah, I've seen this.
And listen, there is, I'm abeliever that there is some
truth to, you know, to cloudseeding, right To generating
cloud seeding to generate rain,and I know it's been done in
many places, you know, for cropsand to prevent drought or to

(17:58):
reverse drought and those kindsof and listen, the technology's
out there.
There's no doubt about it.
Folks, this ain't it Like I?
I know everybody jumps on theseopportunities to say stuff like
that because it's, you know,tangentially related.
But this ain't it Right.
This is, this is not.
That's not what this is.
And you're right.
There's different levels ofstupid associated with

(18:20):
incidences like this.
One of them is the mainstreammedia, who is pretending to
inform, you know and report, andthat's not what they're doing.
And then you've got the youknow the mouths that politicize
the Rosie O'Donnell's, thepediatrician.
There's another one out therewho was was a uh, not only I, I

(18:41):
don't.
She said something along thesame stupid lines of like you
know, this is trump and maga,and blah, blah, blah, totally
erroneous, um, and then, whenpeople jumped on her, she
doubled down yes, is that theone that was um basically
mocking the christian?

Speaker 2 (18:57):
that's a range.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yes, you're shooting.
And she's like come at my house, I got something for you,
something like that, and it waslike so you know, you've got
that.
And then you've got this,you've got the conspiracy
theorists.
You know which is a differentlevel.
You know kind of crazy orstupid that goes along with this
stuff.
So you know, people can't helpthemselves.
There is, like you said, there'svery, I think, there's a lot of

(19:19):
compassion out there.
I just think that in the themoments of quiet, when the
compassionate people are doingwhat they should be doing,
you've got the loud mouths whocan't help themselves.
They've got to fill the silenceand they fill it with their
stupidity and then that's whatyou get.
So, no, I, I'm, I'm again.
That's one of the things I'mnot happy about.
Um I I.
It's horrific that anyoneespecially since it's been

(19:40):
debunked already Right, they'velaid out all the timelines of
all the warnings.
Yeah, the National WeatherService, the National Weather
Service says they have all themanning, that they need to have
Right Reports come out.
It's all there, the facts areout there, and yet you still
have these people who refuse toacknowledge that because they've
got political messaging ontheir mind, right, and it's just

(20:01):
sick and it's gross yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah and exactly.
And the fact was is that theyhad extra staff on hand.
They were not understaffed,they had extra staff on hand.
Warnings had been going outfrom 12 hours, I believe, prior
to and, of course, all leadingup to I think correct me if I'm
wrong, clay all leading up to Ithink correct me if I'm wrong,

(20:26):
clay the biggest problem camewhen those critical, critical
warnings like the get the heckout of there.
Now it was like the middle ofthe night and people were
sleeping.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Early morning.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Early morning, early morning and they simply were not
awake to hear it, to know, and,um, you know, and there's that
sense of disbelief, I think thatthat happens.
You know that people are like,oh yeah, oh, we're going to get
a lot of rain, it's going to becrazy, let's just, you know,
wait it out.
And um, you know, it's acombination of so many things,
but the biggest factor is thattimeline.

(20:56):
You know how quickly thathappened and, um, just to
quickly go back to that cloudseeding, um, I want to just say
two quick things.
Uh, one, I completely agree,guys, I do know I'm not, I'm not
disputing that cloud seeding isa thing, it's absolutely a
thing.
That's happening.
Um, I, I do not love this idea.
I do not think we should befooling around with mother

(21:16):
nature, um, and trying tobasically play mother nature
gets, gets a little.
We start hitting those grayareas.
I didn't feel like that's oneof them.
It creeps me out a little bit,um, however, so this is, um,
what was reported and you know,I mean, I can't tell you what to
do.
Believe it, don't believe it,whatever, um, but this is what

(21:37):
they put out.
So they said, yes, rainmaker,which is the cloud seeding
company that they were talkingabout conducted cloud seeding on
July 2nd 2025 in South CentralTexas.
That was accurate.
That is true it said, but theclouds dissipated that afternoon
.
The July 4 floods killing over100, were caused by natural

(21:58):
heavy rains from tropical stormberries remnants per
meteorologists and fact checks.
I know we hate the phrase factcheck, it always gives you a
little twinge, but you know.
So the claims are.
The claims are just not, nottrue.
You know coincidental, sure,and no, I don't like that word
either, but they have timelineshere to show.

(22:21):
I mean, they can back up whatthey said.
So there's that Again.
I don't dispute that cloudseeding is a thing, certainly
not saying that.
But that was not the factorhere that caused this to happen.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
So yeah, yeah, I think you know going forward,
nothing you know other than theheroic actions by Petty Officer.
You know, not a lot of great isgoing to come out of this
Except and you know, folks, ifyou think I'm saying this too
early and maybe we should take abreath, okay, but I think you
know the discussion has to behad for facilities like Camp

(22:59):
Mystic in their emergency, notin their viability or anything
else, but in their emergencyresponse.
And some of that is regionalright.
You know, if you're, if it's aMidwest, upper Midwest kind of
thing, and you're in TornadoAlley, if you've got a camp for
kids, you know you're a parent,you should be asking okay, in
case of a tornado, what is thecrisis action?
You know by the camp.

(23:20):
You know, if you're in on theWest coast and you've got
something in California, what'sthe earthquake protocol?
You know plan camp.
You know if you're in Florida,the Southeast or even on the
Gulf coast, what's the hurricaneplan, you know what I mean,
like the and those facilitiesand those camps.
I'm not saying camp mysticdidn't have this Cause, I don't
know, but what I'm saying is you, as a parent or any consumer

(23:44):
like that, if you're going to goand enjoy those types of events
or if you're going to send afamily member.
You should be asking thosequestions within just common
sense, and if you're an owner,operator of one of those
facilities, you should beplanning these kinds of things,
and I know it gets a little costprohibitive sometimes, but you
can't have these kinds of thingshappen.
And I'm not saying that whathappened at Camp Mystic was

(24:05):
preventable, I have no idea.
But I think, the grand schemeof things, we collectively need
to start taking a better viewand a better preparedness
posture for things like this,because even if the facility
can't prevent it, when MotherNature votes she votes, and
facility can't, you know,prevent it.
You know, if mother, whenmother nature votes, she votes,
and there's sometimes there'snothing you can do about it.
But if all the precautionsaren't being taken, then you

(24:27):
should at least raise an eyebrow.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, and you know, and, as is always the case with
tragedies along these lines, youknow, they unfortunately become
the the learning curve, sadly.
Right, you know, and, andthat's you know.
So, if, if there is somethinggood, and that's what, that's
what you do, I think that's whatwe do.
You know the humanity side ofus, survival side, you know all

(24:53):
of those things.
That's the side that says okay,so something horrific has
happened.
This is devastating andheartbreaking.
Something horrific has happened.
This is devastating andheartbreaking.
What can we do now to preventthat?
So what can we do to make goodcome from something so tragic
and awful?
Well, we can learn from it.
Right, we can do better as faras everything you just said.

(25:16):
So how can we ensure thatsomething like this is, at the
very least, less likely to have?
Because that whole area correctme if I'm wrong that whole area
is known to be prone to flashflooding like that.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Right, I mean that whole part of Texas, yes, that
part of Texas, you know.
When you go through weeks andmonths of no rain, you know, and

(25:53):
then all of a sudden there'ssome rain, the ground doesn't
just absorb that folks Like.
Sometimes the ground is so hardand so dry that it can't
consume all that rain quicklyenough.
It just doesn't work that way,you know, and, and people who
live there know those things,you know you've ever spent any
amount of time in Texas, right,you drive around on the roads

(26:15):
and there's just this dust oneverything and then all of a
sudden it rains and it is, itmight, it may as well be be ice,
all that dirt and oil andeverything else on the road, and
the water hits it and itbecomes slick as all get out.
So you know those those things,um, you know it, that part of
Texas, you're right, is prone to, um, flash flooding, uh, only

(26:38):
because they don't get, you know, perpetual rain, as we, you
know, kind of do further northof Mason-Dixon.
So, yeah, you've got to takethe precautions, and don't?
You know what you said about?
And what I said about learningfrom this is, you know, it is an
absolute tragedy that thishappened and the loss of life is
horrific and we all hate it.
Do not look past it and ifwe're going to make that

(27:00):
anything good come out of thatloss of life, it's to prevent it
from happening again in anotherway.
So learn the lessons, applywhat we know and make sure that
we're not having to do thisagain at another location, in
another place, because somebodydidn't pay attention.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Right, yeah, absolutely, our hearts and
prayers absolutely go out toeveryone affected by that and to
the rescuers out there and justjust working tirelessly to, you
know, hopefully find as manysurvivors as possible, and you

(27:33):
know, and the recovery effortsobviously as well.
Yeah, so we'll.
You know, I again, I think I'mechoing you, clay.
I don't think there's a wholeheck of a lot more to be said on
it.
I mean it, it.
I don't mean it is what it is,but I know, you know what I mean
.
Guys, at the moment, this is,this is what we have on that
Moving on, we've got this.

(27:55):
This is like a, this is such ayou know, wah, wah, wah wah
moment, except not in a funny,amusing way.
So many feelings on this.
I just, at this point, I don'teven.
I don't even know what to sayat this point.
Like we know, we all know,everybody knows he didn't hang

(28:22):
himself.
There's just I'm sorry, youwill never convince the majority
of the world, because why, ifhe was innocent, if there's no
list, no list why is amultimillionaire I've heard
billionaire, I don't know ifthat's accurate, but at least a
multimillionaire?

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Owned an island, right?
What yeah he owned?

Speaker 2 (28:49):
an island.
So billionaire is probably nottoo far off.
Yeah, billionaire is probablyaccurate.
So that answer, that conclusion, only gives more questions and
they have to have known that.
But my impression here, clay,and you tell me what you think
is that they are closing theconversation on that.
They are done talking about itand I think that is going to be

(29:14):
the continuing response that wehave concluded our investigation
on this, we're done talkingabout it and that's that.
And a lot of people are nothappy.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, I said at the top of the show that there are
some things that I am upsetabout and this is really really
high on the list and I'm goingto apologize to everybody before
I get started.
This, you know, with theAttorney General Bondi coming
forward and saying there is nolist on top of the Patel Bongino

(29:48):
, he didn't kill himself whenPresident Trump ran his campaign
.
Two of the things specifically,well, specifically, the one
thing that he talked about wasEpstein files would be released
and the list would be releasedand there would be full
transparency and we would knoweverything.
Right, yep, now, now he didn'tkill.

(30:11):
Now he, now he did kill himself.
On a tape that no list, on atape that is suspect, on a good
day, there's now no list.
And we have been, literally, wehave been talking about a list
of clients for years, years,people, and now all of a sudden,
oh, we never said there was alist.

(30:32):
We said there was a file, right, and that was the Bondi
position, which is totalbullshit, I'm sorry folks.
And then you've got the WhiteHouse press secretary, you know,
staying on message and saying,oh well, what she said was that
it's on my desk.
She didn't say, you know,because Ducey called her out.
I don't know if you saw that ornot.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yes, I saw that.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Right.
So Peter Ducey God love him forbeing an honest attempt at
being a journalist, right,playing both sides Said listen,
you know, she said there was alist.
And then, you know, the presssecretary said no, no, what she
said was it was on her desk andwhat she was talking about was
the whole file, not a list.
Specifically, we've been sayinglist, everybody has been saying

(31:15):
list, for years, years, and nowthere's no list, right, we
didn't say file, nobody wassaying the Epstein file, nobody
was saying you know thatanything but they were list was
the word.
Right.
And now, all of a sudden,there's no list.
And you know, ghislaine Maxwellis still in jail, right, she's

(31:35):
going to get released based onthat based on that right.
So if there's no clients, thenshe didn't traffic anybody.
Right, which we've got victimsout there who have raised their
hand.
We know prince andrew was onthe island.
Right, the royal family hasostracized that guy.
He's done that.
Guy's living in a hut somewherebecause they don't want.
He is kryptonite.

(31:56):
They don't go anywhere near him.
Right, we know.
We know there were people downthere.
We know there were people ofpower down there.
Right, we know that there arevictims that have testified.
Ghislaine Maxwell is in jailright now for trafficking.
We, we all know this.
And the fact that they'retelling us that this doesn't
exist now, after all these years, this is the Democrat playbook.

(32:18):
I'm sorry folks, oh no, this istotal.
You know they're treating uslike we're idiots.
They really are.
Now, I'm telling you, thebiggest disappointment in this
whole thing was President Trumpthe other day.
Sorry folks, I know everybody'sa fan, but when he said oh,
you're still talking aboutEpstein, we're still talking
about this guy.
Have people been talking aboutthis guy for years?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
You ran your campaign on this right not so many
months ago that guy's a monster,I I am.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
so patel bongino, um bondi, it's all crap all it is,
and I hope, I really, reallyhope someone investigates them.
I really do, because this isdishonest.
There is something highlyillegal going on when it comes
to this, and they can come knockon my front door.
I really don't care, but thisis garbage people.

(33:08):
We're all being lied to, period.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
And the reality of it is, and I'm pretty sure we all,
I think everybody realizes, Ithink everybody knows what this
actually comes down to, which isthat there are some
unbelievably wealthy, powerfulpeople who are running the show,
and it's not our electedofficials.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Nope, and um well it might be.
Some of them might be ourelected.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, some of them certainly might be.
Yeah, absolutely, um, butoverall they are protecting
people who basically said thisis not going to ever come out,
period, end of story.
And they said yes, sir, yes,ma'am, we will toe the line, no

(33:58):
matter what the cost.
And that tells you thatactually you know to some level.
That is, we should all be kindof frightened by that that
anyone can have that level ofpower and control.
Um, because you are silencing,you're silencing the people who
are supposed to be the biggestplayers.

(34:19):
You know the most, they aresupposed to be the most powerful
people in the world and youknow they are just more puppets.
Um, it it's, you know,disappointing is the
understatement of the year,isn't it?
It's, it's, um, it's justdisheartening because they're,
they're, they're getting awaywith it and I don't think that's
going to change.

(34:39):
None of this will come outuntil all of these people are
buried in their graves.
And we won't live to see Most ofus will not live to see these
names and the truth come out.
And you know, and here's whereI'm honestly torn, and I think
some people are going to be madat me, some people are going to
be disappointed in me for sayingthis bank on.

(35:12):
By the way, you know, we usethe term fatigue, this and that
fatigue, and that is whatthey're banking on.
And I am intelligent enough tobe aware that their tactic is
working to a degree on me whereI feel this fatigue over the
whole thing and I'm like allright, you know what, if this
isn't going to happen, if you'renot going to hold these people
accountable, if they're notgoing to see their day, you know
, if the powers that be are thatstrong, then I mean, I don't

(35:36):
know, I guess we can keepbeating our heads against this
brick wall or we can focus oncriminals and crimes that we can
actually lock people up for.
And you know, and I'm not sayingthat that is the right take to
have on this by any means, andyou know, and I'm not saying
that that is the right take tohave on this by any means, it's
just the frustration and fatiguethat, like I can't let my brain
stay in that, in that zone,because it, like you Clay, it

(35:58):
makes me like shaking, angry,like you know.
You know, I get so angry thatyou're shaking, the adrenaline
makes you shake from it.
It's like that shake from it,it's like that, it's, it's the
the, the rage on the behalf ofthese victims because, by the
way, they're, they're children,you know, and that's the thing
that really makes you lose yourmind.

(36:19):
Or they were children, uh, whenthis was all happening, and
their lives are destroyed.
And now they're put back inthat position of almost being,
you know, invisible, likethey're just getting erased, you
know, invisible, like they'rejust getting erased, you know.
Well, it didn't happen.
No list, no clients, no,nothing to see here.

(36:39):
Move on.
Yeah, you know, and I knowwe're just echoing that the
anger and frustrations that youguys are all feeling as well
about this.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
The problem, though, elsa, is that people are there,
are people that are defendingthis.
Yeah, people there are there,are, you know, trump, maga,
acolyte, like you know, diehardfollowers and say, well, the
president says so.
If the president trusts PamBondi, I trust the president,
and if she says there's no list,then there's no list, says

(37:12):
there's no list, then there's nolist.
And you know I, I can't that.
Everybody who voted forpresident Trump railed, just
railed on the entire Bidenadministration for doing exactly
the same thing.
Right, they all went along withwhat president Biden said.
They all went along with whatSoros paid for.
They all went along with all ofit, and the entire election was
over the fact that you haddistrust, dishonesty, you had

(37:33):
lying within the government,being protected by the
government, and President Trumpwon the election to try to avoid
that from continuing to happen,and now that's exactly what we
have happening.
Happening, and it's just.
You know, there are people whoare literally out there going oh
well, then there must not be alist, if you know, if Pam Bondi

(37:55):
says there's no list andPresident Trump says there's no
list and we should stop talkingabout Epstein, then we should
probably do it.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
No, yeah, it's a little crazy and I see some of
the you know, the big namepundits toeing the line here and
doing that.
Right, right, and and that thatsays a lot right there about you
.
Know, to answer the question ofis there a club, like, is there
a club that they're all part of?
I'm pretty sure the answer onthat is yes, there is.

(38:19):
Yes, yes, there absolutely is.
And and I have never been moreproud and happy to not be in a
club I, you know, this is one ofthose many, many times that
I've had during the course ofthis, this podcasting, social
media journey.
Somebody just asked me today ifI had.
They didn't mean it in aninsulting way, but they asked if

(38:41):
I had any clout as in, like, doI have any connections to any
political figures and you know,or media figures or any of those
things?
And I said not a damn one.
And I am so proud of that I,that is, that is a badge of
honor.
Uh, to me, I don't want to bepart of that world.
I am thrilled to be, and I'mgrateful to be, an absolute

(39:03):
outsider, and that's where Ihave every intention of staying.
Um, because that is a dirtyugly world.
And you know, yeah, yeah, I'mglad to not be part of the club,
the cool kids club, becausethis is what's expected of you
Now.
Here's your script, here's whateverybody's going to say now,
and you keep saying that untilmore people say it, because you

(39:26):
have influence.
So, yeah, yeah, it'sdisappointing.
I still love Trump.
I do believe that this issomething so much bigger than
any of us can possibly fathom.
I mean, I just don't even knowwhat to do anymore with this.
What do you do with thisanymore?
I love the fact there arepeople that aren't going to give
up.
I do know that there are peoplewho who will now make this

(39:46):
their life's mission, to getsome type of truth and justice
out of this.
I just I hope they're, I hopethey're not in the hamster wheel
wasting their time.
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yeah, I think these are the things.
You know.
The habitual argument has been,or the discussion has been,
that when the left loses or theyget outmaneuvered, they get
violent right.
I've seen that time and timeagain.
We've seen it in the, you know,in the protests that become
riots, and then you know it'sburning down cities and it's
attacking ICE agents, whichhappened this week twice.

(40:21):
You know, and they do.
That's their response.
And the conservative side saysyou know, it's kind of funny
because we're the ones wholegally own all the guns and
we're the ones who are not theviolent side.
But these are the kinds ofthings that that will raise the
level of frustration to thepoint of violence.
I hate to say it, but there areenough people that will be
upset about this to such adegree that it would not

(40:45):
surprise me if there was somesort of, you know, unwarranted
well, unwarranted is probablynot even the right word, but you
know some sort of violentresponse to this in some way,
shape or form.
It feels like the biggest conjob ever, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Well, this actually leads unintentionally, believe
it or not, guys, this leadsactually right into this
question Is this going to be?
Is this going to be the answer?
For some people, could thishave been, or could this be, the
thing that pushes people to sayyou know what?
I am done with the Democrats, Iam done with the Republicans,

(41:27):
it's time for something new.
I am done with the Republicans,it's time for something new.
And you know, in my before thisliteral conversation right this
minute, I was so dismissive ofElon Musk's what's he called the
American Party, the AmericanParty.
I was so dismissive of thisbecause I thought it was absurd

(42:00):
and obnoxious and ridiculous andreactive, which it's, all of
those things.
However, this whole Epsteinthing and the disappointment,
the profound disappointment, ofwhere this went and where it
ended up, could be the verything that adds fuel to Elon's
plan here.
And I'm not saying it's a goodplan.
I'm not saying it's a good plan, I'm not saying it's the right
plan, I'm just saying it's.
It's something that couldabsolutely push people in this
direction.
You know who are just sick andtired of all of them.
You know this, this one bigclub again, I'll use that phrase

(42:23):
Um, you know, this kind ofproves that they really truly
are all in it together, right?
Or at least it certainly feelsthat way.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, this, this, you know this.
Third, you and I have talkedthird party politics 20 times.
You know whether it's RossPerot or if it's, you know, RFK
Jr on national level elections.
But I saw a new perspectivetoday and it actually came from

(42:53):
Musk One.
Listen, folks, politics isexpensive, very, very expensive.
That's why things like bigpharma get things done in their
favors, because they have moneyto lobby and truthfully to buy
off, to buy votes withinCongress.
And listen, they're not theonly ones.

(43:14):
The pro-abortion lobby, thepro-life lobby, the gun pro-gun,
anti-gun right, it's all thelobbying, is all part of it.
But really politics isexpensive.
When was the last time a poorperson became president of the
United States, right?
What was the?
last like even if president ofthe United States Right, what
was the last?
Like?

(43:35):
Even if you say Obama, Idisagree with you.
But you go back and look at howmuch money the democratic party
, the DNC, dumped into gettinghim elected.
Okay, people without moneydon't get elected.
Musk is like the guy who can dothis because he is willing to I
think in most cases, put up hisown cash to fund this.
So that's part of it.
There's some reality to thisbecause of his financial ability

(43:55):
.
Now, the thing that I hadn'tthought of in all the
discussions that you and I'vehad and I've had with other
people is Musk is not looking atthis point to change or even
put a third party candidate infor president.
That's not where he is focused.
He is focused on congressionalseats, because if you look at

(44:16):
Congress right now both theHouse and the Senate it's a
razor thin margin between thetwo parties.
And what he said in the youknow the kind of announcement of
all this is.
You know and it was in responseto the you know, one big,
beautiful bill getting passedwas if you put a third party in
there a viable third party andthey hold, say, you know, six or

(44:37):
seven seats in the Senate andthey hold 25 seats in the house.
They are the swing vote andthey hold all the power.
Right, you don't have to beright.
You can affect the majority,you can be the ones who make the
majority by only having a fewpeople, because the margin is so
thin.

(44:57):
And that's what he's aiming at.
I think he really is aiming atbacking enough moderates to get
those kinds of seats acrossCongress, because then it
changes what laws are passed andhow it's not.
You can't go party line anymore.
You can't, which, again, I amall for Um, but I think
affecting the white house is atotally different matter.

(45:19):
But I don't think that that'swhat he is aiming for.
So, um, third party politicsbelow the the you know the the
white house, I think, is a isdefinitely a new discussion and
one that has some teeth rightnow, in light of everything
that's going on.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Right, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I think this definitely lightsa more fire underneath anyone
who considering this as apotential viable option or idea.
So I don't know.
You know Elon Musk, I I havenever been an actual fan of his
by any means.

(45:54):
I I have consistently said Iappreciate the role he has
played, um to serve purposesthat have been beneficial, uh
for us as a country, uh, forsocial media as a platform, uh,
all of that stuff that does notcoincide with trusting him, or,
you know, I mean really anyonein power, and nor should anybody

(46:15):
have that high level of trustin them.
You know, your trust is youtrust them as much as you need
them.
Basically, I think is kind ofwhat it comes down to, right,
but either way, it's obviouslysomething we have to keep
watching.
I think that is going todevelop, probably very rapidly.
I think you know he's alreadydeclared that it's a thing for

(46:37):
him to backpedal now to say, ok,never mind, I'm not going to do
it.
I don't think that's going tohappen, you know, at least not
anytime soon.
There's egos involved, so we'llsee what direction that takes
and let's you know, all I can doat the moment is just hope that
it is something that actuallyends up being beneficial to the
American people.
Um, in some way or other andthere's plenty of people that

(46:58):
that you know do feel that, thatit does have that potential to
do that.
So, um, jury's out for me.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah, I think Jerry's out for me too, but I think in
the context of what he's talkingabout, it makes it much more
viable than trying to WhiteHouse.
So you know, it's a, it's asmarter approach and I think it
has a much.
It's not a high chance of beingsuccessful, but it is a higher
chance of being successfulbecause he's not aiming for the
White House, which is right.

(47:26):
So yes, very smart, but verysmart talking about egos egos
whether or not president Trump,do you think he's going to win a
Nobel prize?

Speaker 2 (47:38):
You know what I mean.
What is this?
Is this like the third orfourth time?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
I thought I thought the same thing, but if you go
back, and you go back into hisprevious administration, right,
this is like the 12th time hehas been.
He has had about 12 nominationsgive or take for a Nobel Prize.
Wow, this one you've got thelatest one.
Folks is President or PrimeMinister, whatever he is.

(48:04):
Netanyahu Bibi handed him apiece of paper and said hey, I'm
nominating you for a NobelPrize, right?
Netanyahu Bibi handed him apiece of paper and said, hey,
I'm nominating you for a NobelPrize, right.
And Trump was very, you know,gracious and those sorts of
things.
Now, he hasn't been so graciousin the past about the Nobel
Prize.
He has made statements, likeyou know, they gave it to Obama
for nothing.
You know Obama, you know,talked about how good he was at

(48:24):
bombing people with drones andthey still gave him a Nobel
Prize.
And I, you know, I did this andI did that and I still won't
get a Nobel prize.
And there's some truth to that.
But again, you know, he's notthe most, he doesn't have the
most humility, but yeah, soPakistan nominated him last
month.
Yeah.
US representative, carter Carter, daryl Issa, have all nominated

(48:46):
him within the last six orseven months and going again,
going back, I think the numberis somewhere in the 10 to 12
range of total nominations.
Wow, yeah, that he has beennominated for the Nobel Peace
Prize, but I don't think he'sgoing to get it.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, he probably will not.
I personally believe that hedoes deserve it.
But yeah, will he get it?
Probably not.
I have to agree with him hesaid that as well, of course
that he probably would not getit, and that is probably true.
I do think he deserves it.
But you know, the flip side ofthat is, at this point, I mean,
how much do we care about thesethings you know, any more, like

(49:26):
prizes, awards, all this stuff,like you know, and I know, this
is like the top of the top.
But you know, in the generalsense and maybe this is my,
here's the fatigue word again myHollywood fatigue and celebrity
fatigue and the yay me fatigue.
You know, I am, I am so tiredof all of that kind of stuff and

(49:47):
when it comes down to it, it'sthey're just trivial things,
like like all that should bemattering is you know what
you're actually doing and notthe.
You know, I don't know theaccolades for it, which are nice
.
I mean, don't get me wrong, Ilove a pat on the back, I love
compliments.
I love compliments.
You know that make me awkwardand uncomfortable, but I still
love them, secretlyuncomfortable, but I still love

(50:12):
them secretly Not so secretly,but I don't know like how much
when you know, you know, to, tokind of echo Trump.
You know, when Obama got it forbasically nothing, um, how much
weight does this actually holdin anybody's minds, you know?

Speaker 3 (50:22):
I might.
Am I wrong?
Play, what do you think?
No, I mean, you can go into thecomparatives and that's the
problem.
Right, there's been a low barset, and so what people will
will say is well, he got it, whyshouldn't so-and-so get it?
Or why don't I, why don't Ihave it?
And and there's been mistakesmade.
But I, I think you know theNobel committee.
When you guys start gettinginto science and research and

(50:45):
those kinds of things, that's alittle bit different.
Yes, the peace prize seems andthose kinds of things, that's a
little bit different.
Yes, the Peace Prize seems tobe a very arbitrary popularity
contest.
It probably needs to go awaybecause it's been stained and
soiled over the years so manytimes that I think it's largely
irrelevant.
So, yeah, do I think he'll winit?
No, do I think he'll keepgetting nominated?

(51:05):
Yes, some people arespeculating.
Why did Netanyahu do it?
Why, you know, is it is it abribe Like?
Is he trying to stay in Trump'sgood graces?
Is it payment for something?
Was there an agreement made?
You know, hey, you know youguys got to hit Iran.
We can't really hit it again,but if you do it and you pull it
off, I'll nominate you for aNobel.
You know what I mean.
Like so.

(51:25):
So again it goes back to thebig club theory.
Right, new world order, right.
But I, I think, regardless ofof all else, I don't think he's
going to get it anyway.
I, I don't, no one, no one inany kind of liberal mindset
anywhere in the world, uh, iswilling to give him anything,
right?

(51:45):
Yeah, they wouldn't give myhostessess cupcake.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
No, they would not.
They would not, nope, no,absolutely.
Yeah, they've proven that timeand again that there is
absolutely nothing he can do.
No good deed, no amazing act,nothing that he can do that will
make them.
You know, give him that cake,right Cupcake.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
He could cure cancer and they would say, well, he
took away Medicaid, so it reallydoesn't matter, people will be
able to afford the cure.
You know what I mean?
Like they would find a reason.
It's the floods, it's the samething.
They'll find a reason to blamehim, to not give him credit and
all of those things.
So, regardless of how manynominations it's been or it will
be, he's not going to.
It's not happening.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah, yeah, I am of the same mindset.
I do hope it for his sake, youknow, just because it's.
You know, there's obviouslysome, some swagger to that, you
know still, but yeah, it'sprobably not going to happen,
but I would be OK with beingwrong there is.
There's a few things that Iwould be OK with being wrong
with.
One thing I am not wrong aboutis our, our last and final

(52:57):
lighthearted topic, which is Idon't know if lighthearted is is
necessarily the right term.
You guys can maybe come up withsomething right Laughable
laughable, laughable, I like.
Yeah, it is laughable because ifyou don't, if you don't laugh,
you'll throat punch somebody,right?
So here it is.
Clay tasked me with withpicking out this one, and this

(53:18):
was it for me.
This was the.
You know, rip my hat off myhead, throw it on the floor,
shake my head and go what?
Wait what?
Shake my head and go what.
Wait what?
This is?
This is just for the people whoare listening and not watching.

(53:39):
I've just thrown up a picture.
It's a screenshot from a tweet,I think from Variety, and it
says James Gunn says he's the, Iguess director.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
He is the director yes, okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
James Gunn says Superman is about an immigrant
that came from other places andhow we've lost the value of
basic human kindness.
And he also said, yes, it'sabout politics.
So get ready, guys, the newSuperman movie, with a new

(54:09):
Superman guy playing.
It is about politics.
It's about an immigrant whocame to this country.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Are they trying to kill thesefranchises?
Is that the actual goal?
Do they really hate thesefranchises so much that they

(54:30):
have to just grind them into theground?
It is so ridiculous and I have.
I have some points here and Iwrote them down.
Guys, you can bear with mebecause I want to read episode.
I have a word of the episode,and it's fatigue.
This time today it's all aboutfatigue.

(54:53):
It is yet another $200 millionblockbuster, reprogrammed to
push guilt trips instead of grit.
Will patriotic audiences thisis the question, of course will
patriotic audiences finally sayno, thank you at the box office?
And I think that is absolutelythe case.
These movies are tanking.
Snow White is just right offthe top of my head, an example.

(55:14):
I think some of the Marvelflicks have tanked as well,
which is such a.
I became a Marvel fan aftermarrying my geek husband who
loved Marvel and all of thatstuff.
So we would go see every singleone of those movies the minute
it came out and I fell in lovewith them and I enjoyed it.
And then, of course, whathappened?
They went ridiculously woke and, you know, just changed these

(55:38):
characters from the essence andcore of who they are and what
they represent and all of thatstuff.
And you know, it's so crazy tome because the irony here is
that this James Gunn and all ofthese people live behind their
their, you know, their gatedcommunities and their walls and
their wealth and all thosethings, and they're completely
out of touch with the real world.

(55:59):
And you know to to callSuperman and OK, so go with me
on this, guys, because I amaware that we are talking about
a fictional character, but if wecan just go into pretend world
for a minute, let's be real here.
Superman came from another well,not country, but another world,

(56:23):
another realm, I don't know.
Right, planet, yeah, anotherplanet.
Thank you Marvel, not DC, Idon't know what to tell you and
he came here and he moved in, hewas adopted by a Kansas family,
right, kansas couple, and hedid this crazy thing that all
legal immigrants did and theyassimilated to this country.

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He didn't try and destroy it,didn't trash it, didn't tell
everybody that it's the suckiestplace in the world and they
should change it to be more likehis planet.
He came here to make it abetter place.
So, and that is what theimmigrants of my, my growing up,
my lifetime have always been,they came here legally, they

(57:07):
worked their butts off, theyfought for the American dream.
They believed in the Americandream.
They fought to have that forthemselves and their lives and
they loved this country, um, ifnot as much as their, their
natural, their born country, umas much they.
They loved it here so much andwanted to become part of it, not
change it.

(57:27):
Superman did the same thing.
So to compare Superman withillegal immigrants who are here
waving the flags of theircountry and being mad that
they're getting deported forbeing here illegally not the
same thing, bud.
Not the same thing at all.
And James Gunn, you absolutetwit for trying to make that

(57:48):
comparison.
Congratulations on trashing yetanother franchise and flushing
it right down the tubes.
And that's my rant on that.
And you know, as you guys cansee, I'm laughing about it.
I'm not really.
I'm not mad at all.
It's just too stupid toactually get mad about.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
It's laughable.
It's laughable because you, youmentioned Snow White, right?
Snow White tanked because theyoung lady who starred in that
movie don't even remember hername, was adamant and very
political and really snottyabout everything.
And, and you know, if you lookat at Disney cause that's really
what this is, right, she's, youknow, right in line with all of
all of the Disney stuff, exceptfor the fact that there's been

(58:28):
this ongoing and growingbacklash against Disney and its
woke ism for the last few years.
Right, so right on time, thisgirl steps in, opens her mouth
and seals the deal to destroyher own movie.
Yeah, the superhero movies areon the same thing.
They're all on the downturn,right?
Everybody's worn out that thestoryteller, as a guy who tells
stories for a living, right as afiction writer.

(58:53):
I will tell you all of thismultiverse stuff which now
they've got both in Marvel andin DC, and all the comic is lazy
storytelling.
Nobody ever stays dead in comicbooks anymore, except for
Spider-Man's Uncle Ben.
He's the only one that's deadforever.
Everybody else comes back tolife somehow and they keep
re-imagining.
And it's a new thing, thing,and it's a retelling of this
basic story.
I mean, this is the fourth orfifth time that the Superman
story has been told.

(59:13):
And now what you've got issuperhero fatigue I'll steal
your word, right, Superheromovie fatigue.
And then you've got a directorwho basically says this is about
politics.
He actually used the wordsjerks and screw them in an
interview, talking aboutpotential audience.
And so feel free to follow inthe footsteps of Snow White,

(59:35):
right, Stick your foot in yourmouth and take your movie before
it even starts.
So you know.
And Kellyanne Conway, you know,came out.
They were talking about this.
She was on, I think, the fiveor something, and she said
nobody wants to go to a movie tobe lectured to anymore.
And she's right.
And she listened.
She took a lot of crap for that, but she's right.
Like we're all at the point now.

(59:56):
I just want entertainment andif you tell me before I even go
to the movie that it's aboutpolitics, I'm not going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Exactly Like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I'm already out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Thank you.
Thank you for letting me know,thanks for saving me that,
whatever it is, 18, 20 bucks nowright.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
You're better off pulling the bait and switch
right and like letting me get inthere and find out halfway
through that it's about politics.
Then I'll be pissed afterwards.
Now I'm just not going to spendthe money and I think you're
going to see a lot of that, andI think you're going to see
disappointing performance at thebox office from yet another
dum-dum who decided to, you know, read the room right and and

(01:00:29):
just let things go.
And on top of it, to make iteven worse, his brother.
He casts his brother in all hismovies.
Okay, okay.
And if you're a marvel, right.
If you're a marvel fan, yeah,james gunn did the um guardians
of the galaxy movies right,right, yes, and his brother is
one of the um ravagers, ravagersokay, okay, right yeah so he's

(01:00:49):
one of those guys.
He even he's in this movie too.
He came out at the one of theuh premiere events and basically
echoed everything that hisbrother said.
So you know, they're all in ittogether and they're going to
tank this movie yeah, together,because it's going to be a mess
and you know it's laughable andit is, folks, that's what we're
ending with.
We're it is because you knowwhat I'm, I'm you know what, I'm

(01:01:12):
patient.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
I am a you know well.
I mean, I'm technically notreally, but I can be in
something like this.
I guess, when I care less, Ican be pretty patient.
But you know, these, thesecomics, these movies have, like
you said, they just recirculatethem, they reimagine them every
couple few years, they start allover again and that shift
happens when they wake up andthey realize, oh, oh, these

(01:01:36):
aren't making money becausenobody wants to see this kind of
garbage.
They will go back to theoriginal concepts and ideas and
it will be wonderful again andwe will, I will say, take my
money.
Here it is.
I will come and watch everysingle one, one after another,
and love them to pieces.
Just, you know, that's thething about you know these,

(01:01:56):
these, these storylines, peopleactually love the familiarity of
them.
They don't want you changing it.
I think in this one, I think Iread somewhere that, like he
didn't even bother with anybackstory, nothing.
They just plot these charactersright dead center of the
storyline that he created andjust ran with it.
So there's no backstory.
I think him and Lois Lane arealready a couple.

(01:02:16):
It's just like bam, oh, okay,we're in the middle of the story
already.
Okay, cool, so save your money,guys.
Can we have Christopher Reeveback, please?
Can we just-.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
All I know is this movie has the dog super is in
the movie.
It's never been done in aSuperman movie before.
So I think that was their,their, their attempt at bringing
something new.
But you know, look, folks,regardless of all that it's, it
is laughable because they'retrying to convince everybody to
see these movies and uh, andthen they're shooting themselves
in the foot at the same time.

(01:02:45):
So see it if you want.
Maybe let us know, maybe you gosee it and you think it's
awesome and maybe the politicsaren't as overt as James Gunn
would have you believe.
But I would be interested in areview from one of our viewers,
fans, listeners, and not fromsome crap you know crack guy in
Hollywood that's going to tellyou what the studios want you to

(01:03:06):
hear.
So I think that's it, I thinkwe's it, I think we hit them all
.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
That is it.
That is the end of the thing.
So listen, guys, next week iskind of up in the air.
I think my daughter isexpecting any time now my fourth
kid, grandbaby number four.
That baby's going to be herenext week, no matter what that
is.
Her due date is the 18th.

(01:03:30):
My flight is scheduled for the17th.
Cutting it close.
All her babies have been late.
Clay and I were talking aboutthis before.
All her babies have been late.
This one seems to be on trackto be late as well, but you
never know.
So we will see.
It's up in the air.
So I'm so excited.
I am no less excited forgrandbaby number four as I was

(01:03:52):
for one, two or three.
So I am so excited I can't waitto hold the teeny, tiny little
thing.
Yeah, that's it.
That's all I got.
Clay, you close them out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Hey, folks, keep moving, keep shooting.
Second edition is out, it'savailable.
It's in the wild.
I know people that have gottena copy already, so if you
haven't gotten it off of Amazon,go check it out Again.
That's the second edition, andI am going to do one of my most
favoritest things this comingweekend and I'm going back to
jump out of an airplane inFlorida, weather permitting.
We'll see what happens, butthat is my plan for the weekend,

(01:04:23):
which I can't wait to do, andamongst many, many other busy
things I got going on.
So, check out the book, folks.
It's out there.
The sequel's coming soon, crossthe Bear.
So keep that on your radarscreen and until then, from me,
keep moving, keep shooting.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Take care, guys, we'll see you in the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Prepare for the re-release of Clay's
electrifying novel Keep Moving,Keep Shooting.
This is book one in hisgripping Cross, the Bear series
Experience.
We'll be right back.