She Googled Bears, Wrote A Novel, And Accidentally Made Her Husband Cry

We dive into courageous reinvention with Dr. Kari Borgmann, tracing how a lifetime in accounting turned into a trilogy about love, loss, and second chances. Craft, fear, and practical writing habits meet hope, research, and a surprising new ghost romance set in Ireland.

• moving from accounting career to authorship
• channeling fear and grief into story
• reinvention in midlife and identity shifts
• writing process between plotting and discovery
• building a trilogy with a planned ending
• editing for clarity, depth and sensory detail
• the power of support in long marriages
• new project: Irish ghost mystery romance
• where to buy books and upcoming events

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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Every conversation tells a story, and the best ones
begin with honesty, courage, anda little curiosity.
That's where Elsa Kurt comes in.
She's an author, podcaster, andindependent media personality.
And this is where she bringsreal life to the table.
Authors, thinkers, creators,leaders, everyday folks with
extraordinary journeys.

(00:21):
Sit down, we dig in, we talkabout what matters, what's
messy, what's beautiful, andwhat just might inspire you to
look at the world a littledifferently.
So pour a couple of somethinggood.
Settle back and join it.
This is Elsa Kurt Interviews,which has to be everyone's
welcome.

SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
Oh well, hey my friends.
Welcome back for another episodeof Elsa Kurt Interviews.
This is one of my absolutefavorite things to do.
Today is no different.
I get to interview a wonderfulauthor and lovely woman, and
it's going to be such a greatchat.
Here is a little bit about Dr.
Carrie Boardman.

SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
Today we're visiting with someone who has lived
enough life, gathered enoughwisdom, and bravely stepped into
an entirely new chapter ofstorytelling.
Dr.
Carrie Boardman spent 30 yearsof accounting, earned more
degrees than most people collectcoffee boxes.
And after 44 years of marriage,we decided that it's time to
tackle a new adventure.

(01:22):
And rediscovering who we arewhen life ends up being a
colour.
Carrie reminds us that weadventure is just powerful.
It's powerful.
Let's welcome her to the show.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32):
Oh my goodness.
Well, welcome to the show.
It's so nice to meet you.
How are you today?
I'm very fine.
Thank you so much for hostingme.
I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42):
Oh, it is absolutely my pleasure.
I get to do the most, one of themost fun things in the world to
me, which is just talk authorstuff and book stuff.
So this is this is such a joyfor me.
So uh let's talk about you.
I want to talk about, so we we,you know, we heard in the intro,
guys, that um you were so threedecades in accounting, you have

(02:04):
five degrees, which um I havezero.
I have zero degrees.
Okay.
So I right?
I mean, but I I'm already bowledover and awed and impressed just
by that, just the tenacity of ofdoing the work to get all that.
So that alone is great.
It's literally like a full, richlife that you're you're living.
And I would love to know likewhat was the moment that you

(02:25):
thought, you know what, now it'stime to tackle this next huge
endeavor, which is writing andpublishing a book.
More than one, but we'll startwith the one.
Tell me a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_03 (02:37):
Uh well, uh, about 2018, I had um this idea
rattling around in my brain,amongst other things, you know,
finishing my doctorate.
And I I needed to take a breakfrom school for a little bit.
And it was in there.
So I just sat in my office onemorning, even before going to
work, and I just started of whatcould happen.

(02:58):
But what really drove it is umI've always had a fear of losing
my husband.
And we have been married for 44years, and I thought, what might
that be like if I mean we were alittle more mature, what if?
And let's set a character whoactually goes through that and
let's set some challenges shemight face, then falling in love

(03:23):
again and what that might belike, but you know, not um, oh,
he passed away, so let's go outon the market immediately.
Um, just things like that.
And I just started writing andthe ideas just started pouring
in, and I would write and writeand write.
And first I didn't even tell myhusband.

(03:43):
And um he said, What are youdoing?
I see, I see you're researchingbears.
What are you researching bearsfor?
Because he's attached to my myGoogle.
And I said, Well, kind ofwriting a book.
Why aren't you finishing youryour schoolwork?
Because I need a break, and Ihave I need some brain candy, I
need some brain electrolytesgoing on in there.

(04:06):
So I started finishing up thebook and then I printed it and I
let him read it.
And he said, Well, it's it'skind of our story, isn't it?
I said, Yeah, kind of.

SPEAKER_01 (04:16):
Yeah, was it was so two-part question.
Was it hard for you to write inthat you had to put yourself in
this devastatingly emotionalstate of losing your husband who
you love and adore and don'twant to lose, of course.
So you you have to put yourselfin that emotional state.
Tell me a little bit about whatthat was like and what was it
like for your husband readingit?

(04:37):
Because it it has to be soemotional to write that.

SPEAKER_03 (04:42):
It it is emotional.
Um, so even though I'm anaccountant and I have a very
analytical mind, I also have avery artistic mind.
Uh, I'm not the typicalaccountant.
Um years and years ago, this isprobably 30 years ago.
I I wasn't even workinganywhere.

(05:02):
I was staying at home, stayinghome, stay at home mom.
And I saw Oprah Winfrey, and shewas interviewing Stephen King.
And she said, Where do you comeup with these ideas?
And he said, I start withsomething somebody fears, take a
fear.
And at the time it was about petcemetery.
And he said, People fear losingtheir children.

(05:25):
Right.
Fear for any parent.
Yes.
And he said, and I take that andI build a story around it.
For me, it was losing him.
And I almost did lose him inJanuary.
Um he was within hours ofpassing.
Oh my goodness.
And he's doing better.
But um, so now I I can I canfeel those emotions sat in that

(05:47):
hospital and relate it to what Iwas writing about as she came to
realization her husband is gone.
The emotions were mirroring.
So I I can put myself in thatsituation, I can feel it, I can
channel that energy and theninto the writing.
And um, I mean, I was never avictim of child abuse, but the

(06:12):
male protagonist of the storywas.
So I had to mentally put myselfinto that situation.
Sure.
What might those feelings belike?

SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (06:24):
So that's how I channel that into the storyline.

SPEAKER_01 (06:27):
That's brilliant.
I love that.
And you know, and the whole, andthen it goes on to the
reinventing yourself.
So it's, you know, it's thislong, long time marriage.
And, you know, for anyone whohas experienced it or imagined,
and I am like you, I have to behonest.
I I do, and I think it's justthe woman brain.
Like if they're 10 minutes lateand you haven't heard one, you

(06:48):
think the worst.
You know, we we always imaginethe worst.
And so it it leads you downalways that path of thinking if
they pass away, if they're gone,you know, and all of those
things.
So that's so relatable to havethose thoughts and fears on a
regular basis.
Uh, it's just what we do, right?
So yeah, um, but then yourcharacter has to essentially
reinvent herself.

(07:09):
Walk walk me through a littlebit of how you envision that and
and a little bit of you knowwhat she had to do without
giving away, of course, too muchof the story.
That's hard.
I don't want to tell you theending.
What happened?
No, no, can't tell us.

SPEAKER_03 (07:23):
Um so I'm in kind of that stage right now too,
reinventing myself.
I'm not working anywhere.
Um I'm I'm thinking about goingback to work.
So I've put some resumes out,but I'm at a stage of life that
I want another challenge,another not to not know what

(07:45):
I've always known.
If it's a little wordy, but Ihope that makes sense.
It makes perfect sense.
Yeah, to explore that creativeside in my brain, um, to get
those stories that I may onlyhave a sentence of it, uh
something, a word pops into myhead and and then I play on that

(08:07):
for a little bit just to allowthat creativity to come out and
not go, yeah, get back there inthe brain for a while.
You be quiet, creative side.
I don't want to tell thatcreative side to be quiet
anymore.
Yeah, check that out.

SPEAKER_01 (08:22):
Yeah, it you know, and again, I I I want to use the
word relatable.
It's such I think that's what'sso compelling about your book,
your storytelling, that it's sorelatable to the female
experience.
And I'm not trying to discountthe guys, guys, if you're
watching, as you know, we're notputting you down.
We're just we're talking aboutus right now, okay?
Um, but this is so relatable tothe female female experience.

(08:45):
Um, you mentioned that you werea stay-at-home mom, so that was
a huge chunk of your identity.
I was as well.
So that is also very relatable.
Um, you know, and as astay-at-home mom, that is for a
very long time your identity.
You are mom, mommy for so long.
And then they hit that agerange.
It's not that they never thatthey stop needing you, the needs

(09:07):
change.
And then it does come to thatpoint.
You're like, okay, well, well,who am I?
And and who am I in thisincarnation of my life?
And, you know, you can eitherlook at it as uh something
terrifying and troubling to havehave to reinvent yourself, or
something exciting andchallenging.
So I I love kind of hearing yourperspective on that.

(09:29):
That for you, you were like,okay, what is the next
challenge?
What is the next endeavor thingthat I'm going to do?
And and I think that's reallyinspiring to other women who are
maybe at or getting to thatcrossroads of their life.
Do you do you feel like you putsome of that element um or maybe
a lot of that that mindset intothe storyline?

(09:49):
I think so.

SPEAKER_03 (09:50):
Um, I mean, I relate her fears.
Um, so she's she's asked, so Iset the character, she's a
professor at a local university.
I don't name the school oranything.
Um and the dean calls her in andsays, Hey, um, I got a favor.
And she he wants her to uproot,go to Iowa, take this one-year

(10:17):
assignment to help a business,and she's an accountant.
I said her as an accountant,right about what you know.
I said her as an accountant, andyou know, he talks her into it
basically.
She fights it, but she goes.
And I think, even at my stage oflife, of saying, you know what,

(10:37):
change is possible, no matterhow old we are.
And as human beings, we don'tlike change.
It's cognitive dissonance.
We don't like it.
We want things nice and statusquo.
And then we become bored, right?

SPEAKER_01 (10:53):
Yeah, it's so true.
That's absolutely true.
Yeah, and and to walk throughthat journey is um it's hard,
it's hard because there's somany emotions that come with it.
So when you're you're seeingthat on paper, and I would
imagine too, as you're writingit out, did you find as you were
writing, because it sounds likeuh I have two terms, I didn't
coin them, but there's two termsfor types of writers.

(11:15):
There's plotters and pantsers.
I don't know if you've everheard those terms, but plotters
will no?
Okay, so plotters will outlineeverything, you know, they'll
have it all like sketched outand organized, and they'll do
all of the things before they'veeven written a sentence.
And pants will literally justsit down, fly by the sea of
their pants, and just write.
I'm a pantser, so I just sitdown and start writing, and

(11:36):
whatever comes out comes out.
And I'm usually surprised by it.
Where do you where do you findyourself in the in that?

SPEAKER_03 (11:41):
I'm a happy medium one.
Oh, balance more than you.
I start, I have an outline, andit might be just one sentence,
but it's kind of thechronological order of where I
want things to go.
And then I fill in the gaps.
And that's how I'm a processor,and then it's a pantser.

(12:03):
And I'll just be typing alongand going, oh, that'd be a good
idea.
Oh, I could and then I could.
So the creative process, it justfeeds, it's a nice domino
effect.

SPEAKER_01 (12:15):
I love that.
I love that you're able to havethat balance too, that that
two-sided brain where I think Ijust I I always lean towards.
It must be so nice to be sobalanced.
Oh, it's just wonderful.
You should live in my brain.
Aren't our brains so fun?
Our brains are so fun.
Now, so this this first book,it's book one of a trilogy.

(12:38):
Did you know, did you know thatthis was like right from the
get-go?
Did you know this was going tohave the scope that it has?

SPEAKER_03 (12:46):
Yes.

unknown (12:47):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (12:48):
Because I knew when I wrote it, because one year is
obviously just one year, a timespan.
Then I thought, you know, Icould take that, I could add
another year and the new joysand the new challenges that they
come across and um, you know,things that could happen.
But how am I going to close thatout?
Am I going to leave them at theend of a second year and just

(13:10):
say, oh, thanks, you know,thanks for reading by.

SPEAKER_00 (13:12):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (13:13):
Somehow it has to have closure to it.
And I already know how I want toend the third book.
In fact, I have that littlepiece written already.
So I have the end of numberthree done, nothing above it
other than the outline.

SPEAKER_01 (13:28):
I'm I'm so impressed.
I'm still, I I have a it's likea six-book series, and there's a
seventh book in the works, and Ihave no idea what's going to
happen with it.
I have no idea what the end'sgoing to be.
I'm like, I'm just waiting tofind out.
I love that you know already.
Because I ironically, I do loveto know the ending.
One, because I don't I don'tlike to be sad.
I'm a I'm a big crybaby.

(13:48):
So I'm like, is the is theending gonna be sad?
I need to know right now if it'sgonna be sad because I can't
read it if it's gonna be a sad.

SPEAKER_03 (13:54):
Now this one's not gonna be sad, but you are going
to be surprised.

SPEAKER_01 (13:58):
Oh, much better.
I do like surprises.
I do like to be surprised, sothat's awesome.
Oh tell me a little bit aboutthe actual writing process
itself.
Um, what what it what would youfind say you found the easiest
of it and the most challengingpart of it?

SPEAKER_03 (14:17):
The most challenging for me is letting go of it.
It's almost like your infant andyou want to hand over this
precious baby to a stranger andsay, tell me how beautiful my
baby is.
And then hope they come backwith, yes, it's a beautiful
baby, and and not get somegenetic anomalies going on,

(14:39):
don't you?
Um so that's the hardest partfor me.
The easiest part is going backand reading what I've written.

unknown (14:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (14:49):
And then kind of comparing it.
I mean, you can see I have awhole library behind me, and
that's only maybe a tenth ofwhat I have as far as books.
And that includes textbooks andnovels and research journals and
things.
So reading that and comparing mywriting with theirs, you know,
well-published authors, andgoing, you know, I think mine's

(15:10):
pretty good.
Uh in comparison with that.
Um I mean, I have severalfavorite authors in, and I look
at that and going, am I addingenough depth?
Am I adding enough richness?
Am I keeping the narrative easyenough to read and follow?
Am I adding too much detail?

(15:31):
Am I adding enough detail?
Can the person read my book andfeel what it's like to sit in
that church?
And have I described it enough,what it feels like to sit in
there?
Or um at that farmhouse?
Because it's it's kind of basedon uh uh an old farm and an old

(15:54):
farmhouse.
You know, can you feel it?

SPEAKER_01 (15:58):
You actually have uh you have a good editor's brain
too, uh, to be able to look atit.
I that's the analytical side ofyou, right?
That's like that that numbers,accounting, you know, what is
that, right brain or left brain?
I don't even know which side iswhich.
Thank you.
Um, so that's really beneficialthat you're able to look at it,
to take that step back and lookat it critically, basically, and

(16:21):
look for those key points.
And and another thing that yousaid that is such important uh
advice, really, for aspiringauthors is to uh, you know, and
I remember this learning thisfrom my favorite authors too,
and they all said the samething.
Like read, read, read, read, andread everything, you know, not

(16:42):
just one type of uh um book oror literature or whatever it is,
like read nonfiction, readfiction, read, you know, all the
genres, because the more youread, the more you start to
intuitively understand theprocess and the and the elements
of a story and and what makesfor a good story.
So um it's so important and it'sso I I love hearing other

(17:05):
authors basically say that, youknow, tell people like, yeah,
this is how I do it, this iswhat you need to do.
And you know, and then the othergreat advice, I and I'm sure
you'll agree, you've either toldit, I'm sure, or you've heard
it, which is, you know, whenpeople say, you know, how do you
how do you get started?
How do you write a book?
Well, you start writing and youjust start.
Just start.
Just start.
Yeah.

(17:25):
And I I want to go back if youdon't mind.
I'm just curious.
Um, you said that you surprisedyour husband with this book.
Was he completely shell-shockedthat you were writing a book, or
was he kind of like, yeah, thattracks?

SPEAKER_03 (17:40):
He was more like, yeah, that tracks.
Uh I mean, we have been together45 years, uh, married 44.
We'll be married 45 years nextMay.
Um, so I mean, he's followed methrough, you know, oh, I want to
go to school.
Okay.
I want to go to some moreschool.
Okay.
Yeah.
So um, and he's been sosupportive um with this

(18:03):
publishing process.
That's wonderful.
And and getting going on it.
And, you know, um, he's justalways been there.
He's he's like one of my bestfriends, and I can talk to him.
I, you know, I can come home andI can I can vet those
frustrations.
I can come out and go, oh, Iwrote something really, really

(18:23):
good.
Um, and he actually purchased abook off of Amazon.
He went out and bought it.
He goes, Well, you know, ifnothing else, we will get, you
know, a little bit of the moneyback from it.
That is so he he read it, but heread it in 2019.

unknown (18:38):
Okay.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (18:39):
So I've been refining and refinishing since
then.
So he bought it and he said,Well, okay, tell me what you
think.
Not as your wife, as you know,oh, I just picked this book up.
He goes, It's good, it's a goodstory.
I would, I will definitely readvolume two, not because it's
you, Carrie, but because I kindof like the story.

SPEAKER_01 (18:58):
Ah, that's so awesome.
And that's huge because whenyou're in a a long-term healthy
relationship like that, they aregonna let you know.
They will tell you.
They'll be like, Listen, I Ilove you.
I'm gonna say this as gently asI can, but you know, so they
will tell you the truth.
So that is uh so reassuring foryou specifically to hear that
from the person whose opinionactually matters the most and

(19:21):
that you trust, you know.
That's such a huge thing.
So I'm so I'm so glad for youbecause it's it's so important
to have somebody in your cornerthat believes in you and that
encourages you.
And even if it's somebody thatdoesn't really get it or
understand, because I I'm ananomaly to all of my family, you
know, all of my friends.
I'm the only one doing thethings that I'm doing in my
lane.
So it's so weird, but they'reall so incredibly supportive.

(19:43):
And they're like, I don't knowwhat the heck you're doing, but
you know, we're we're gonnacheer you on the the whole way,
and and that is so huge.
So it is um, you know, I so foranybody watching, if you don't
have anybody in your cornercheering you on, Carrie and I
are cheering you on, just so youknow.
We're cheering you all on,right?
Like you got this, you can doit.
Oh, and it's it's just soimportant.
And and I, you know, like I kindof touched on earlier with you,

(20:05):
um the fact that you're writinga book or have written a book
like this or in writing a serieslike this, um, I I again I think
it's so inspiring because yes,it's fiction, um, but it does
offer that that hope and thatresiliency and and that reminder
that you know you can overcomethe the hardest things in your

(20:25):
life and you can actually comeout on the other side of it um
changed, yes, of course, but butalso stronger and still live
this really rich, full life.
So, you know, it's and I I kindof love that that even in
fiction, you can relay thosemessages.
It's beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 (20:41):
Yeah, and I have a lot of reality in there too.
And it is fiction, um, butthere's a lot of reality, daily
challenges that you know a lotof us face.

SPEAKER_01 (20:53):
Right.
Yeah, absolutely.
All right, now tell me a littlebit.
I know you I know because wetalked beforehand, um, you have
a whole bunch of other things inthe works too, of course, with
this, but uh give give everybodya little idea of what else uh to
be looking for down the roadwith you.

SPEAKER_03 (21:08):
Well, so one of my other books, which I don't
really have a good title forjust yet, uh uh the title that
I'm going with right now iscalled A Forgotten Soul.
And it's uh a man who was bornin 1780 and he's killed in 1810.
He is murdered, and his soulstays here on earth, and he's a

(21:32):
ghost.
And he knows that his only wayto get to heaven, he's he's seen
the glorious lights, he's heardthe angels singing, is to figure
out who murdered him.
And um so the house that he'shad built in Ireland, it is set
in Ireland.
Um it's passed down to otherpeople buy it, it's passed down

(21:55):
family generations.
Well, it ends up with a womanwho's age appropriate.
She's housed in New York, shenever knew her biological
father, her mother would nevertell her.
Well, as it turns out, he was aninheritor of this house in
Ireland.
But his brother never had anychildren.
So they said, Okay, we'll leaveit to your daughter.

(22:19):
We won't tell her, we'll justlet it be a surprise when the
will is read.
Okay.
Well, so she turns up at thishouse, and no one has been able
to see this ghost in almost 200years.
And she can.

SPEAKER_01 (22:32):
Oh, oh, this is gonna be so good.
Can you hurry up and publishthis, please?
No pressure, no pressure.

SPEAKER_03 (22:39):
Come on, lady, come on.
I'm a fast typist, I really,really am.
Um uh, but it it turns out theyalso become romantically
involved.

SPEAKER_02 (22:51):
Oop cool.

SPEAKER_03 (22:52):
So she has she can have a physical connection with
him as well.
So they do solve his murder,he's gonna move on, and then
she's left.
Oh so there we have that, uh,you know, the love of a
lifetime, a very passionaterelationship, emotionally,
physically passionate, and she'sleft to figure out what to do.

SPEAKER_01 (23:15):
Oh wow, I'm already visualizing the the Netflix
series.
Wouldn't that be cool?
Let's see.
This would be the leading lady.
Right?
I know.
Start you have to start likevisualizing the whole thing.
I love that sounds so intriguingand so cool that you're you're
able to essentially like genrehop because it's different, very

(23:35):
different uh lanes to be writinghistorical, historical fiction
is really hard.
I'm afraid to tackle it becauseI'm just I'm just not a big
researcher.
Um and you know, that I gotgoing for me.
Yes, I why does that notsurprise me?

SPEAKER_03 (23:49):
It doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 (23:49):
I love it.
I love it.
It's so awesome.
Um, do me a favor, tell everyonewhere they can find your books.
And if you're doing any booktours or anything like that,
feel free to throw those outthere as well.

SPEAKER_03 (24:00):
So my books right now are available on Amazon.
You can search by my name, andI'm gonna give you one caution
though.
My last name has two N's on theend of it.
So be sure and type inB-O-R-G-M-A-N-N, and it should
populate on Amazon and on Barnesand Noble.
Uh, book volume two is supposedto come out today of one year.

(24:24):
We'll also be available onBarnes and Noble and Amazon for
right now.
I do have a live book signingcoming up in December at Barnes
and Noble.
I don't have the location justyet or the timing of the event,
but you can look on my website.
Um, I'm sorry, not on mywebsite, which is not quite
ready to go, on my Facebookpage, which is just Carrie

(24:46):
Boardman.
You can also look at me underCarrie Gist Bordman, and that
middle name is G-I-S-T, justlike the word gist.
I love it.
You can find it either there,I'll have it posted on both
sides.
I am on Instagram, and I havebeen invited to exhibit at the
International Book Fair inLondon.
Excuse me, Miss.
Yes, which is March 10th, 11th,and 12th.

(25:10):
My daughter is super excitedbecause I'm taking her with me.
That's so awesome.
She gets to be your assistantfor the week.
Yes, yes.
That's wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 (25:17):
How many moms get to take their daughter to London
for Yeah, you rank as thecoolest mom right now.
That's pretty awesome.
Yeah, yeah, you definitely areranking there.

SPEAKER_03 (25:28):
And then also Oh, I'm sorry.
I didn't interrupt you.
No, no, no, go right ahead,please.
I am also going to have anexhibit in Reader's Digest.
We're gonna do uh a snippet ofme and a snippet of the book.
I haven't determined which uhsnippet of the book I want to
put in there just yet because Iwant a teaser, you know,
something to hook somebody in.

(25:50):
But those are the things thatare upcoming.
And I'm hoping uh the secondbook, which is called A Second
Year, uh, will be out by spring.

SPEAKER_01 (25:59):
Wow.
Oh so you are one busy, busywoman.
And I love that.
I love that for you.
That is so fantastic.
And guys, we will put, I willput out all of the the links and
everything you need.
Everything we just discussedwill be in our show notes.
So you'll be able to just clickright on it, go right over to
and get it.
And and I always try to rememberto tell everyone, please go give
those books a five-star reviewwhen you read them, you know,

(26:22):
because that that helps theauthors.
And it really, like we alwayssay, it's not about us, it's
about other readers.
So it lets other readers know,hey, this is a great book.
I really enjoyed it.
You should read it too.
And so you're helping out thereading community by giving them
those five-star reviews.
So make sure you guys do thatwhen you read the book.
Uh, Carrie, this was such a joyto talk to you.

(26:43):
Thank you so much for takingtime out of your day and sharing
all of this with us.
And I can't wait to share thisinterview with everyone.
This was so much fun.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 (26:50):
Thank you so much, Alsa.
I appreciate it probably morethan you even know.
And it was so nice to talk toyou and to meet you and to share
ideas.
I have just really enjoyedmyself.

SPEAKER_01 (27:01):
Good.
I'm so glad.
Thank you very much.
And we will talk soon.
And you're gonna have to comeback for the the next book.
So I've just gotta have to haveyou back.
We could talk about it.
How fun will that be?
Absolutely.
And then the third one, and thefourth.
Yes, yes, and then the 10th andthe 11th.
We know we're nowhere near done.
I know.
Oh, wonderful.
All right, guys, thank you somuch for joining us.
We'll see you in the nextepisode.

(27:22):
Take care.

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