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SPEAKER_04 (00:28):
Oh, hey, hi.
How are you, Clay?

SPEAKER_02 (00:31):
I'm good.
How are you?
You surviving the cold?

SPEAKER_04 (00:33):
Oh, barely, barely.
How did I not schedule a Floridatrip for this nonsense?
I should be, I should be liketrapped there, not here.
Yeah, we're getting through.
How about you?
Did you guys lose power or anyof that stuff?

SPEAKER_02 (00:46):
Oh, no power.
Um, you know, greaterChicagoland area is uh prepared
for this.
This stuff is kind of normal.
We we had bits and pieces ofsnow in here, two there, three
there, whatever.
Um brutally, brutally cold.
Um those like negative five windchill, negative 30, like just
stay in the house kind of days.

(01:07):
Like good news.
But other than that, I mean itwas uh there was no catastrophe
here.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12):
Yeah, yeah, same.
Um, I actually I found it kindof you know enjoyable in the
sense that I didn't have to goout in it for any reason
whatsoever.
Everybody was nice and cozy athome.
My poor husband did have to goout and and uh do the the snow
plow thing and the driveway andeverything.
Uh we do have somebody thatcomes and does it, but you know,
he's got the guy's gotcommercial accounts too, so we
know who's taking who's takingprecedence.

(01:33):
So it's all good.
It's all good.
I I say that because I wasn'tthe one doing it.
He did.
He asked me Monday morning.
He said, uh, you know, becauseit continued on to Monday.
He said, um, gets all in his allhis gear and he starts getting
ready to go out there.
And he says, Um, you want tocome out and and help me clear
off the cars?
I said, Oh honey.
No, no, I will have a nice hotmeal for when you come inside

(01:56):
the house.
I will even take your shoes,your boots off for you.
I will serve you, but I will notgo outside.

SPEAKER_02 (02:04):
And you know what?
I think just about every guy onthe planet would take that as a
trade.
Right.
Seriously.

SPEAKER_04 (02:09):
Like I mean, that's totally fair.
Like, listen, I'm not gonna besitting inside uh just chilling
and you know, having a partywatching TV and doing whatever.
I'm gonna make sure you're alltaken care of, my friend.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24):
Something like that.
Oh, absolutely.
I'd take that.
I'd take that and trade everytime.

SPEAKER_04 (02:28):
Right?
Absolutely.
So he agreed that that was avery, very fair exchange.
And uh, you know, so it was allgood.
Everybody plays their role andeverybody's happy.
I mean, I don't know if he wasnecessarily happy, but but he
was agreeable to it all becausehe's a fair enough.

SPEAKER_03 (02:42):
Good man.
Oh, he can't good man.

SPEAKER_04 (02:44):
Oh my goodness.
Well, my guys, we all have, weall, it's just the two of us
here.
Um we got a bright channel foryou.
We got a whole bunch of topicsto talk about, lots going on,
what else is new?
Um, but uh we will bring it allto you, um, right?
I wish I'd planned that better.
I I skipped over to a spot here,but whatever, whatever, guys.

(03:05):
It's all good.
Anyhow, um, we're gonna bestarting up right after this.

SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
Every week brings another headline, another
outrage, another crisis, anotherapology.
But the real story isn't whatjust happened.
It's why the same things keephappening again and again.
It's not about anything news,it's about understanding what
happens between our culture, theconsequences they need to find,
and how we can stop being calledinto social political feet.

(03:32):
Together help the current playno backflow down connected.
Welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_04 (03:43):
You know, it it's funny, I gotta I gotta throw
this in real quick before we getstarted.
A year or two ago, if that hadhappened, you know, that I had
one of those moments where uhthings weren't just going as
smoothly smoothly as Ianticipated for them to go.
I would have felt like this waveof panic, like, oh no, something
didn't work right.
And I gotta be honest, you know,don't you just feel so casual

(04:03):
now?
It's like, yeah, so hey guys, uhtechnology doesn't work
sometimes.
And well, last week was one ofthose cases.
Our show didn't air when it wassupposed to because our
streaming software, not blamingthem.
Things happen, glitches happen,especially lately, a lot of
glitches on all kinds of fronts.
Um, something happened and itdidn't air.
And um, I was homesick in bed.

SPEAKER_02 (04:25):
Clay was um cheating on me with another podcast that
not a last minute request tojump in uh with another podcast
that I've been on a few times,and they just do it's it's cops
and soldiers, and they just weall sit on and we tell stories,
and it's a it's a good time.
And so they asked me to pop onand and fill in uh last week at

(04:45):
the same time our show aired.
And so I did what I could.
I came downstairs to my littlespace and jumped on with those
guys and had a good time, andyou know, um, and the next
morning, the next morning Ichecked social media and I was
like, What happened?
I I checked Facebook and Ididn't see anything, and then I
checked YouTube and I didn't seeanything, and I texted Elsa and

(05:07):
I said, Hey, I don't know if ourshow went on last night.
And you told me you werehomesick in bed, and yes, lo and
behold, um the show never wenton.

SPEAKER_04 (05:17):
Nope, it did not.
So uh sorry guys, but thingsthings just happen, and you
know, listen, I don't think theworld stopped turning because
one podcast show uh did not airat their scheduled time.
But I know our committed,wonderful um fan base, friend
base.
I hate saying fans and I hatesaying followers um because it

(05:38):
just sounds it's I don't know.
Um but anyhow, thank you guysfor uh being patient with us and
and uh hanging out the next daywhen you did air.
So, yeah, so we are not gonnahave that problem this time.
I I decline that problem.
All right, all of this stuff andnonsense and things out of the
way.
Um, you know, I I guess it'spretty much a given that we're
gonna be talking about thisright off the bat.

(05:59):
This is uh obviously a hugeongoing conversation with lots
of uh repercussions andconversations happening uh uh
about it.
Uh an ice braid targeting anillegal immigrant with a vinyl
linked history uh who fledturned deadly when agents
fatally shot uh Alex Pretti, a37-year-old VAIC nurse in

(06:22):
Minneapolis, again, Minneapolis,um, sparking massive protests,
surprise, surprise, and afederal probe into whether it
was an accidental just dischargeor excessive force or justified
or or or so many or we alreadyknow one side is saying this,
um, another side is saying that.
Then there's people in themiddle that are doing the

(06:44):
logical thing and saying, hangon, let's let's wait until we
get the whole picture here, thewhole thing, and let's use a
little bit of um discernment andcommon sense and reason and all
of those things.
And guess where Clay and I comeinto the picture?
Right there, kind of in thatmiddle ground.
I don't know about you, Clay.
I definitely have a lean towardum where my perspective is.

(07:06):
Certainly, I think that's normaland natural.
And my my lead to, of course, isthat um, you know, uh, I have a
hard time calling um Prady avictim.
Um he put himself again, likeRenee Good, put himself in a
situation that he had nobusiness being in.
He um his actions and andchoices were deliberate and

(07:28):
combative.
And um things you just as asomeone with an ounce of sense,
you just do not do.
So his behavior and his actionswere illegal.
Uh they were impeding.
Uh, he had a, you know,everybody's making a big point
that uh he's a legal carry, youknow, uh gun holder.
He's illegal, he had a permitand all that stuff.
He didn't, you know, to the bestof our knowledge, at this point

(07:50):
in time, as of right now, westill are under the impression,
you correct me if I'm wrong,Clay, um, that he did not
declare at the time that he wasarmed, that he had a weapon, um,
which is something that you arerequired to do.
Uh it's just common sense, mygoodness, even if you weren't
required by law to let uh uhagent know, a police officer

(08:10):
know that you are armed, it'sjust common sense too.
Like it's common sense.
So we'll go on with this.
So you go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 (08:19):
Yeah, so up front, folks, um multiple things can be
true at the same time.
And and I think this is probablymy biggest problem with this
entire incident, is that bothsides of this, whether you're
you know, pro-Cretti or ifyou're pro, you know, federal
law enforcement DHS, there aretoo many people that are going

(08:43):
straight black and white.
Listen, Alex Predi dying is atragedy.
I don't care what side of theaisle you're on, okay?
It's a tragedy.
It is an avoidable incident fora number of reasons, and
avoidable on both sides.
Avoidable, like you said, Elsa.
He made some decisions that gothim there just like Renee good,

(09:04):
and we talked about that lastweek.
There were some circumstancesand an interaction between him
and the ICE agents that couldhave been, uh truthfully, uh
handled differently, right?
Um that led to him being shot.
Um I there are two you knowagents right now who have been

(09:25):
suspended pending investigation.
As you know, as an LEL wife,anytime there's a shooting by a
law enforcement officer, uhalmost, almost every single
time, immediate suspensionpending investigation, right?
That is normal procedure.
It is not a statement of guilt.
However, you've got two guyssitting at home who are
wondering if they're gonna becriminally charged, if at a

(09:47):
minimum their career is over, ifthey're gonna be stigmatized, if
their family is at risk.
There's a lot of things going onfor those two individuals, which
truthfully is also tragic,right?
Um, some people will say withoutany remorse, without any
sympathy, that you know, theyget what they deserve.
And on the flip side, if you ifyou were of the opposing
viewpoint, you said, well, AlexPrady got what he deserved, then

(10:08):
there would be this explosionand people would be at each
other's throats, and then nobodywould be speaking rationally
about what happened.
And I think that is our biggestproblem at this point.
I think, unlike the Renee Goodincident, which in a very short
period of time, we had plenty ofvideo evidence of exactly what
happened.
And even a lot of people who hadan opinion initially that she

(10:29):
was completely innocent andblah, blah, blah, blah.
Um, if they were rational andthey saw the film footage within
12 to 24 hours, they looked atit and said, Yeah, she hit him
with the van.
And and everybody kind of thewhole situation kind of
ratcheted down.
Unfortunately, this situationdoesn't have that.
The video footage that's outthere is cell phone footage,
it's grainy, it's from multipleangles, it's been modified.

(10:50):
I've seen multiple AImodifications of this.
Um, and people don't have aclear picture of exactly what
happened, exactly the timing ofthe shots, etc.
There are there are a lot ofholes in this, like you said.
Um, Alex Predtney, and listen,folks, I'm a concealed carry
holder.
I've had a concealed carrypermit in multiple states.

(11:11):
I've taken taken multiplecourses in multiple states to
get certified.
Okay.
Um, there are, and and everystate is different, but I did
look up the Minnesota statutes,and I will tell you that Alex
Prey by not having his concealedcarry permit on his person, uh,
was in violation of the law,right?
That is one of the number onethings they tell you in every
concealed carry course.
If you get your license, youhave to have it on you.

(11:32):
Uh, two, he didn't have a secondform of government-issued
identification on him, right?
Because he is following therules of the agitators, which
they tell all of these peopleare told don't carry any
identification on you.
Um, there's two things.
Third, anytime you're approachedby a law enforcement officer,
and again, folks, state tostate, some states, you don't
have to declare, right?

(11:53):
If I'm a concealed carry holderin certain states and I get
pulled over by the police andI've got a gun on me or in my
vehicle, I don't have to tellthem unless they ask.
Right?
Some states, you have to, youare bound to declare.
Um he chose not to declare, um,which he was well within his
rights to do.
Um, but again, rational peopleare are few and far between on

(12:16):
this issue.
I think you and I also arelooking at this rationally.
I think we both lean towardsthis is a tragedy that could
have been avoided by betterchoices by a whole bunch of
people, but there are still somuch information that we don't
know at this time.
I and and I'll be honest withyou, and I'm, you know, you
probably do too.

(12:37):
I've got family and friends thatare way on the opposite side of
this.
Um, and the reaction to this isum it's Charlie Kirk-like in the
sense of the visceral reactionthat people are having or are
having as this thing hashappened.
So um, I again I would just askeverybody, try to remain
rational as this thing unfolds,please.

(13:00):
And I've seen grown responsibleadults, I've seen retired
general officers from themilitary step in the middle of
this with an opinion that theyhave no right to do.
Yeah, and again, it's one ofthose I'm general, retired
so-and-so.

SPEAKER_03 (13:15):
Like trying to both things.

SPEAKER_02 (13:17):
Yeah.
Go, go.
All right.
Um, so please, everybody, justremain rational as this is still
kind of unfolding.
Um, I have questions myself, um,I have opinions myself, and I'm
remaining as rational as Ipossibly can uh about Alex
Predi, about those agents thathandled this and how they

(13:37):
handled this.
I'm not vilifying anybody, but Icertainly have a lot of
questions.

SPEAKER_04 (13:41):
No, I'll tell you what, you know, here's who I
will vilify though, because Iwill vilify them every single
day until there's something thatchanges with that.
I will vilify the media, themain street media, uh, for their
many, many, many, manyatrocities against um the entire
country, the world, basically,um for you know, just inciting

(14:04):
and encouraging this type ofdivisive um POBs, you know, on
all of this.
And instead of calling for uhthis, this, what we're doing
here, which is saying take astep back, take a pause.
And you know, I really like whatyou said that you know, um,
several things can be true atonce.
And you know, and and that isthis, this is a case of exactly

(14:28):
that.
Many things can be true at thesame exact time in this case.
Um you know, uh, I I I do I dohave the video, and I have to
tell you, I I watched thismultiple times.
I don't think I'm gonna play thewhole thing, I'm just gonna play
a portion of it here, just togive, if anybody has not seen
it, um, uh just to give you a anidea of the chaotic scene that

(14:51):
was uh happening here.
So here's this you got multiplepeople here.
This person's dragging thatperson, somebody's blowing a
damn whistle, people are yellingand arguing, all that stuff.
Somebody yells gun, gun, gun.
I'll have to stop it here.
You get the idea.
Um, somebody at some point yellsgun, gun, gun.

(15:12):
And um, you know, exactly whatyou think would happen in that
moment with that level ofheightened um awareness, uh,
adrenaline, all of the thingsthat are going on in this
moment.
And the moment that you heargun, that's a reactive moment
right there.
There's, you know, severalpeople like slowed it down and
you know, are claiming.

(15:33):
I can't tell anything.
I'll be honest with you.
I I cannot tell anything that'shappening there.
And I watched it several times.
It's just none of it is veryclear to me, to be perfectly
honest.
Um, it does appear that uh itlooks like Freddy is reaching to
his back pocket.
Uh you know, could he be tryingto get just get purchase or to
push somebody away?
Is he reaching for a gun?

(15:54):
You know, all we know after thefact is that he did have a
weapon.
So, you know, just terrible,terrible, terrible decisions.
Um, good intentions or not, youknow, in his mind, in anyone's
mind who's doing the things thatthey're doing, I know that they
truly believe that what they aredoing is noble and right, and

(16:15):
they're just wrong.

SPEAKER_02 (16:17):
Yeah, like you said, so there, you know, the press is
at fault in this in many casesbecause they're using that
inflammatory language, right?
I've seen executed or executionum multiple times.
That's that is an a blatantmisapplication of that word, and
it brings a specific connotationfor people as they read it,

(16:41):
right?
Alex uh uh Predi was executed byIce Agents or PPS, right?
That is a connotation that ishorribly untrue, right?
That is not what happened there.
Um, and so you've got peopleusing that type of language,
which are passing judgment, andthey're trying to trying to

(17:02):
shape the narrative of whathappened.
Um, that is a significantproblem.
Um, you know, you can askyourself the question, you know,
because I I know the wordhelper, the you know, he was
just there to help.
He was there to okay, so I I'llI'll play a little bit of a
game, right?
He is a VA, ER, right, or ICUnurse, ICU nurse, a highly

(17:25):
trained medical person, right?
I am ultimately curious, andunfortunately we'll never know
the answer, but I'm ultimatelycurious why someone like that,
who if they truthfully had it intheir heart to go there to help,
would be there without a medicalkit.

(17:47):
Why in the world would someonewith that training choose a gun
versus a first aid kit?

SPEAKER_04 (17:54):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (17:54):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (17:55):
And this is this is I'm sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 (17:57):
Listen, I I I carry both, to be honest with you.
And I'm not a medic.
I've got you know combat medicaltraining.
I can stop bleeding, I can puton a tourniquet, I can, you
know, pack some gauze and stopsome bleeding.
But but I carry, I actuallycarry two just in my truck,
right?
One I can grab and go, onethat's a little more for cuts
and scrapes and burns kind ofstuff.
But but like he chose as an ICUnurse to go to something like

(18:23):
this with a gun and not an aidkit, right?
So that begs some questionsright there.
Again, we'll never know why,unfortunately, because he's
dead.
Um but but you know, foreverybody who has said, well, if
ice wasn't there, this wouldn'thave happened.
I can turn around and I can tellyou, well, if tens of thousands

(18:44):
of illegal immigrants weren'tthere, then ICE wouldn't have to
be there and this wouldn'thappen.
Or if there wasn't inflammatorylanguage by the governor and the
mayor and the police chief, andall of these people encouraging
people to stand up to, havephysical contact, fight against,
go to war with ice, this alsoprobably wouldn't have happened.

SPEAKER_04 (19:05):
And that is precisely the type of language
that they are actually using.
These are the words that arebeing said and inciting already
emotionally fragile people whohave lost all sense of you know
reason and um just discernmentand and ability to pause to
think and be rational aboutanything.

(19:28):
They're they're highlyencouraging this type of
behavior.
Why?
Because it doesn't hurt them,they're not the ones.
I mean, there's that see the onewith the walls standing
literally, standing behind hisgate, telling the people, you
know, the crowd to know whateverhe was yelling at them to do.
But you know, from the safety ofbehind his gated home, the irony

(19:49):
of that is just it should be uhmind blowing to anyone and
everyone.

SPEAKER_02 (19:56):
And listen, you know, even in a place like
Chicago where just a few Weeks,months ago, these same types of
operations were going on.
The police department wasworking in cooperation with DHS,
right?
And what the police departmentwas doing was keeping people
like Alex Pretdy back away fromthe operation.
They were keeping the crowd atbay.

(20:16):
They were doing crowd control toallow the DHS agents to
apprehend people like this pieceof garbage that they were going
in.

SPEAKER_04 (20:23):
Violent, criminal, illegal alien.

SPEAKER_02 (20:26):
This is what they were trying to protect and deter
and stop agents from getting butin Minneapolis, up until last
night or the night before, therewas no police cooperation.
The police had been told not tocooperate with bikes.
They've been told not tocooperate with DHS agents,
right?
So they weren't doing crowdcontrol as they have been in

(20:48):
other places that prevent thingslike this from happening, that
prevent, right?
And so when you've got that, andlisten, folks, you know, we can
Monday morning quarterback thisall day, but the reality is that
when you've got, and I know thisbecause this is exactly how the
military operated when we usedto run operations, military
operations in Iraq andAfghanistan for 20 years, right?

(21:09):
You set a an uh you know acordon, we called it, right?
That pushes the people back,they keep them away, they keep
security around the area whileyou go into a building and you
grab whoever it is that you needto grab, right?

SPEAKER_03 (21:20):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (21:21):
And that's what local police have been doing
wherever DHS has been.
That is not happening inMinneapolis.
So the crowd gets close, right?
And you've got the DHS guys, andthey're going in there to
apprehend a violent person.
And all of a sudden, you've gotsomebody from the outside that's
trying to step their way in, andtempers are high, and adrenaline
is running, and and all of thesethings.

(21:41):
And again, it's a tragedy.
But there are so many componentsthat go into this that just
blaming ice is very myopic, itis it is intellectually
dishonest.
Yeah, truthfully.
You are lying to yourself.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (21:55):
Absolutely.
I, you know, just watching, likeI said, just watching that video
and how chaotic those momentsare.
And I'm watching that as acomfy, warm, cozy observer from
behind a screen, just watchingit.
And I feel confused and chaotic.
And I've watched it in you know,regular speed, I watched it in
slow motion.
Now stop for a moment andimagine being this is all you

(22:19):
know, with under probably undera minute uh time that this all
happened.
I mean, seconds, really, youknow, and there is this massive
amount of chaos going.
You are immersed right in it,and you have already, as uh DHS
and and um uh ICE, you know,whoever the case is, um, you
have just spent the past howevermany weeks and and months being

(22:43):
physically attacked and all, youknow, um under the threat of
physical attack for just doingyour damn job, okay?
And now you have this, this guycoming in and literally barging
them.
Now he's he's in the process.
He's he was going to be gettingarrested.
I mean, he was being arrestedfor interfering.
So he's non-compliant witharrest, he's fighting them.

(23:05):
Um, they discover that he has agun.
Somebody cries out, like I said,that there's a gun.
Uh, the officers are all callingto each other.
He's still not complying.
At no point in time did he say,Whoa, whoa, whoa, okay.
So, you know, did he ever juststop and comply?
Never does that.
Um, gunshot goes off.
I'm looking at this, readinglike the timeline here.

(23:26):
Um, yeah, the fact is that theyhave to make these decisions in
a split second because that ishow quickly these things go
down.
Not from, like you said, not theMonday morning quarterback thing
where you get to sit back andwatch the replays and you know,
make these analyticalassessments, you know, from the
comfort of your couch.
Um, you know, and the truth isthat those decisions, they don't

(23:47):
have to be correct.
The law, the law of self-defensedoes not require them to make
perfect decisions.
So they have to make decisionsin the moment.
And I challenge anyone to beable to um, you know, to do that
in a moment like that.
And I don't care how muchtraining that you have,
de-escalation, uh, de-escalationtraining, any of those things,
when you are in the midst of amoment like that, like we just

(24:10):
watched, um, you know, it is itis all reaction and reactive and
uh again, so highly preventable.
Um, like you said right off atthe top, it is completely
tragic.
Um, you know, what what a tragicuh waste um for someone who, you
know, by career choice wasprobably doing wonderful things

(24:32):
in life and you know, made areally, really poor decision.

SPEAKER_02 (24:36):
You know, your your point about the chaos of of what
was going on.
Um I I'll tell you, you know,unless you've been unless you've
been in a gunfight before.
Um it is, you know, I I have ahard time um with people who
criticize uh, you know, any lawenforcement officer, any

(24:57):
military member, anybody who'swho's in a situation, a life,
real life, life or death chaoticsituation like that.
And then you, you know, you rollback the clock and you sit there
and you make judgment on them.
Um, but I will also tell youthat every single one of those
situations is different, right?
Every life and death situationthat every one of those agents
has ever been in has beendifferent, right?

(25:19):
I can promise you, those sixguys, five or six agents that
were attempting to arrest him,um, had never been five or six
guys trying to arrest one personbefore, right?
So they're they're all right.
This is not, you know, six guyswho live and breathe and work
and they're shoulder to shouldertogether.
They're never more than fivefeet apart, 24 hours a day,

(25:42):
seven days a week, 365, and havedone this 60, 70, 80 times in
training.
I can promise you, that specificchaotic incident is the first
time that has happened to thosesix guys as a collective, right?
And so, so again, level oftraining it is, I won't say it's
irrelevant, but there's anotherset of variables that go into

(26:04):
that.
And folks, again, I'm I'm I'mnot making excuses, but I'm
trying to provide some rationalthought to this uh, you know, as
it went.
It is tragic.
You know, if it turns out thatone of those agents acted
irresponsibly, acted in, youknow, outside of the you know,
the uh the SOPs and the andwhatever training that they

(26:24):
have, and they were in thewrong, I I'll be the first
person to say, okay, they foundwhat happened and they're
holding somebody accountable.
And that's good.
I we just don't know right now.
So, you know, I you and I, Alsa,we can go back and forth on this
thing for another hour.
We really want to.

SPEAKER_04 (26:40):
Well, easily, easily.
And that's me.
The last thing I I do want tosay on it though, um, is you
know, as with every single oneof these things, you know, your
timeline, your social mediatimeline gets flooded with all
of these memes and fake uhreports and quotes.
There was one that um I rightaway just put into a search to
find out the validity, which wasthat the parents, I don't know

(27:02):
if you saw that one, that hisparents, you know, um were
there's like a big long thing,and actually only one thing
turned out to be true about it,but basically the parents were
um, you know, he was fired fromhis job and that he's a cross
dresser or something, and that,you know, all of these crazy
things that the parents were uhvery upset with him and disowned

(27:23):
him because he chose to do this.
And I think the only thing thathad a grain of truth to it was
that the parents warned him,asked him, warned him to not
participate in this stuff.
And I still don't even know ifthat's 100% true.
It was just multiple um, youknow, sources basically said the
same thing.
It seemed to be reputable thatthe parents did speak to him

(27:43):
about his decision to be there.
But everything else um so farseems to be, you know, pretty
much BS.
So be careful what you repostand what you take as the gospel
truth in these any of thesecases.
It's like just either say and donothing with it, or if you feel
so compelled to share it andpost about it and comment on it,

(28:05):
like just take the extra minuteand verify as best you can if it
is true.
And if you're still not sure,don't do it.
Like, come on, we just need tobe a little bit better here.
Yeah, preferably a lot bitbetter, right?
Um, we can move.
I mean, this is almosteverything just kind of a lot of

(28:25):
this ties right in.
Let's uh move right into this.
Um, you brought this up, Clay.
You know, as you know, I'vementioned in the past, Clay is
our is our topic guru, and hepicks them.
And I am so thrilled that hedoes that for me, for us.
Um so yeah, this was this mademe pause for thought to really
sit and think about it.

(28:46):
Um, the nationwide protestsafter events like this, what we
were just talking about, havepeople asking if disorganized
unrest could morph into afull-blown anti-police or
anti-government insurgency,especially with armed groups,
because that's what we're seeingmore and more now, more of these
armed citizens showing up atthese uh protests and all of

(29:07):
these things.
Um, so yeah, I mean, I want tohear your thoughts on it, Clay.

SPEAKER_02 (29:11):
Yeah, so um I sent Elsa, there's a write-up by a uh
former uh special forces warrantofficer.
And I I've had this kind ofbouncing around in my head, and
I really couldn't articulate it,and he did a great job uh of
putting all of this together.
But for those of us in themilitary who spent the last, you
know, 20 years not just fightingagainst, but studying

(29:34):
insurgencies so that we couldfight against them, we have been
seeing there's a there's a lotof expertise out there, right?
Current and former military asfar as insurgencies go.
And what a lot of us are seeing,and and some of us are really
talking about out loud, is thatwe are starting to see many of
the things that we studied andsaw in both Iraq and

(29:57):
Afghanistan.
Um, and so part of it, you know,some of the indicators that
we're starting to see are, andwe've talked about it in various
pieces and parts, right?
Part of it is funding.
We've been talking about thissince George Floyd, we've been
talking about this since theriots during COVID, right?
There is a funding that isbehind these protests, right?
And it's uh, you know, it's theuh pallets of bricks that show

(30:22):
up out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_04 (30:23):
It's the perfectly crafted signs, protest signs.

SPEAKER_02 (30:26):
That are across the nation, right?
That are exactly the same in 18different cities, and they're
they're printed and they'refree.
And you know, you've got uh riotshields made out of garbage
cans, and you've got all thesethings that just suddenly show
up and they're all being paidfor by someone, right?
So the financing of this is anindicator that this is becoming
more organized.
Communications is the next part.

(30:48):
Um, and and apps like Signal,like Pilot, like even like
WhatsApp, which isn't veryencrypted, but it is, um, they
are there is evidence beingfound that these groups are
using these apps to communicateum and and send information

(31:08):
about hey, this is where thenext event is, right?
There is a rumor out there, andfolks, this is unconfirmed, but
there is a rumor out there thatthere is a signal group that is
organizing a lot of theseanti-ICE, anti-DHS protests in
Minnesota.
And the rumor is that I I'veheard two, they use the lady's

(31:30):
same name, but it's either thelieutenant governor of the state
is an admin, or it was a womanwho worked on Governor Walls'
campaign staff and has been inthe administration, but not
necessarily the lieutenantgovernor.
Regardless of who's running it,there's a level of organization
and communication uh going on inthese in the preparation for

(31:51):
each of these events.
There is also rounded outreporting going back up as these
events are going on.
And we're seeing indications ofvery military-style reporting.
Military uses acronyms foreverything.
I I've got more acronyms in myhead than I know what to do
with.
I don't even know what half ofthem mean anymore.
But they are using uh somethingthat we used to call a salute

(32:14):
report.
It's an acronym, right?
So they would, there's reportinggoing on in these app channels,
pilot and some others that say,you know, size.
There, you know, our 32 DHSagents, activity.
They are getting ready to raidat, you know, and then L
location, you know, and theywould give street corners and
locations, and then, you know,blah, and they're providing all

(32:34):
this very regimented, veryspecific information, and it's
going not just out, but it'sgoing back up to the people that
are reporting this.
Um, and then they're beingorganized, right?
There's somebody who isorganizing and saying, okay, we
need X amount of people to go tothis location, and then we need
X amount of people to go to thislocation, and we need X amount
of people to do this when youget there, and we need, you

(32:55):
know, and so right now it'sMinnesota, it's a little bit of
a microcosm, um, but we'reseeing so much organization
within this that it is veryreminiscent to all of us, but
also very disturbing for all ofus at the same time that fought
against this because clearlysomeone who has the same level

(33:18):
of education or the same levelof study as most of us did um is
participating, or someone who'ssmart enough to pull all the
military doctrine for insurgencyand counterinsurgency, and
they're starting to apply it towhat is going on in places like
Minneapolis and Minnesota atlarge.
Um, it is very disturbing to me,especially when you put on top

(33:39):
there's a growth in nationwide,but a growth in Minnesota
specifically of anti-ICE,never-before gun owners going
out and buying firearms.
Right.
Second Amendment, I I'm I'm allon board with it.
If you want to buy a gun, Irecommend you go get some
training.
You go do all the things thatyou're supposed to do.
But the scary part is that ifyou take that and you put it on

(34:01):
top of this uh potentialinsurgency that's brewing up
there, um now you now a pushingand shoving and throwing bricks
and bottles of ice and at DHSand police officers turns into
legitimate firefight.
And then and then we have asignificant problem.
Yeah.
But the pro the biggest problemis that there is no one fighting

(34:21):
against this locally.
Governor Walls, MinneapolisPolice Department, they are not
participating in the efforts tofind out who this is, to use
their local contacts, to to youknow really gain any
intelligence or information sothat this can be at least
analyzed and taken apart.
And it's very, very frightening.

SPEAKER_04 (34:41):
Yeah, it is.
And um it feels like it feelslike that state is like the test
ground for everything that theywant to do nationally.
Like, doesn't it feel like likeeverything is there right now?
It's and it's our right.

SPEAKER_02 (34:59):
It feels very, very familiar to me specifically
because when I was in Baghdad in2009, our area of operations was
actually one of those areas.
There was a terroristorganization called Katab
Hezbollah who used to use mybattalion's area to test new
IDs, new um detonation, allkinds of things.
It was a test area.
We would see things one time.

(35:20):
We couldn't even come up with away to counteract it because
we'd never see it again, right?
They would use a new detonationsystem to set things off, they
would use new technology, theywould use new whatever it was,
we would see all the one-offs.
It was all an experimental areathat was very, very frustrating
because we couldn't do a lotabout it.
And that's what this feels likewith Minneapolis.
And so I had a discussion withsomebody uh yesterday or the day

(35:41):
before, you know, because thereis discussions about pull pull
everybody out, pull DHS out,shut everything down, pull
everybody out.
Even Megan Kelly um, you know,said, hey, they should tell all
the illegal aliens in the UnitedStates, just go to Minneapolis,
go to Minnesota, pull all of DHSout, and just tell them, be
like, hey, any any other state,you're gonna get arrested,

(36:01):
you're gonna go to jail, but ifyou go to Minneapolis, you're
fine, and just send them all upthere.
I I actually think there's valuein potentially pulling DHS out,
giving everybody a breather, andthen going and running these
operations in another location,yeah, and then see if they can
monitor, pick up, find anyevidence of those same
insurgency tactics being used inanother location, and then see

(36:24):
if they can figure out who'sbehind it.
Um, but it is all very, veryscary.
It's very dis it's disturbing.

SPEAKER_04 (36:31):
Yeah, it is, it is.
And you know, obviously we'llwe'll keep watching it.
Um, but you know, I as we'retalking, literally the whole
time we're talking, so my mindworks in in mysterious ways.
But one of the ways one of thethings that my I always do, my
default setting is to always goalmost immediately to how do we

(36:55):
fix the problem?
How do we fix this?
How do you correct this?
How do you how do you writethis, you know, ship?
Um and do and of course it needsto be done pretty quickly.
So I obviously don't have theanswers to that.
I and I'm putting you on thespot and wondering um if you
have any thoughts on how thatcould be done.

(37:16):
And I know, like I, you know, Idon't think I'm so special to be
the only person thinking aboutsolutions here.
I I know that and I know thehires up that the powers that be
are are, you know, I would hopeat least um discussing this very
same topic.
But from our layman'sperspective, um, what are your
thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 (37:33):
Well, I I think a couple of things need to happen.
Um, one, there's got to be theanti-police sentiment across the
United States has to beovercome.
And I and I say overcome and notignore there, like there's the
reason, rational or not, there'sa reason for the anti-police
sentiment.
Okay.
People feel, again, rational ornot, that the police are doing

(37:56):
wrong.
Whether they've been taughtthat, whether they personal
experience, seen it on TV,whatever.
We've got all these defund thepolice pockets all over the
United States.
It is what it is.
I think the solution to that iscommunity involvement.
I think it is uh by the police.
I think it is to communitypolicing.
It's it's truthfully what theywere doing it.

(38:17):
That was the solution that wasworking in New York City under
Mayor Giuliani.
It was police on the street andand interaction with people.
And it's not always badinteraction with people, right?
Like police can have, shouldhave conversations with people.
All of that is good.
Like just people passing by onthe street, know who lives in
your neighborhood, know who'snot supposed to be there, where

(38:37):
did that car come from?
Why are you out here at threeo'clock in the morning, right?
All of those things.
I think that that right there,community involvement by the by
the police, supported andencouraged by politicians, I
think a lot to eliminate thisfirebed of crap that's going on

(38:58):
across the country.
That that's my personal opinion.

SPEAKER_04 (39:00):
Yeah, and I and I love that.
And I think it's, you know, it'sso much it's so much easier to
do in small town capacity.
It's so much harder to do in thecities because you're dealing
with local government that istypically liberal and democrat,
and they don't want that tohappen.

(39:21):
And that's the real, you know,that's like the dirty little
secret that most people don'tknow, that they don't realize
that the people who are shoutingthe loudest for reform and you
know, uh activism and all ofthese things, they don't want
the problem solved because thenthey're out of a job.

SPEAKER_03 (39:39):
Correct.

SPEAKER_04 (39:40):
You know, so you know, that's that's the part to
me that is so widely frustratingand and defeating.
Like that's the part that feelsso defeating to me that the very
people who are screaming theloudest in these cities and in
these states um for reform andbetter this and better.

(40:00):
That and change and all of thesethings, they don't actually,
they're lying, bold, bold facelying to people.
They don't want it becausethey'll be out of a job.
It's, you know, I mean, you canequate that to a lot of
different lanes, you know, uh,to big pharma and all of that
stuff, you know, anything likethat, anything where somebody is
profiting off of other people'sillness, uh, strife, you know,

(40:24):
tension, all of these things.
If there's someone's profitingfrom it, you better damn well
believe that they are not goingto help be part of the solution.
So um it does, it really, likeyou said, it really does come
down to a combination of youknow, the people.
It comes down to the people onthose local levels, um, just
freaking communicating andbypassing all of this BS.

(40:45):
Get the hell off of mainstreammedia, go out and talk to your
neighbors, talk to people, justtouch grass.
Everybody, and I include myselfin that, by the way, guys,
because I get fired up as we allknow.
I get fired up.
Um, you know, we need to touchgrass, talk to our neighbors,
and get involved in things on alocal level if we want to make
some real positive good changein the world.

(41:07):
So there, there's my soapsoapbox moment for today.
All right, oh my goodness.
Um, well, let's see.
Well, now I'm gonna get allfired up again, Clay.
Just go and get angry all again.
Oh, listen.
So uh we've got, you know,Kimmel crying again, his
crocodile fake tears, and you'vegot uh Billy Eilish, and I'm

(41:30):
sure half of our listeners don'teven know who that is, you know.
But just, you know, she's just arepresentative of you know,
stars um getting on their littlehigh horses and and lecturing
everybody on what they shoulddo.
And then, of course, we havecreepy little Cobar um who wants
to be a tough guy, ready forhim, be a tough guy.
Here you go, guys.

SPEAKER_00 (41:48):
It's all the way up to Maine.
It's rinted here in New YorkCity.
I want to thank everyone herewho stood outside in the cold
today before.
I think we can all agree.

SPEAKER_04 (42:10):
Oh, he's so tough with his FIC.
He's a big tough guy.
Yeah.
Give me a break.
I thought it was the book hand.
When is he going away?

SPEAKER_02 (42:20):
I think it's May.
I thought I just saw a date.
I just saw a date today.
I didn't truthfully pay all thatmuch attention to it, but it is
coming soon.
Uh he is done with TV.
And listen, you know, I I don'tlisten to any of them.
Pay attention with you know,there's repercussions like Mark
Ruffalo losing his$500 milliondeal.

(42:40):
Um you notice he hasn't saidanything since Alex didn't,
right?
Um probably a littledisappointed about that cash on
that check.
Yeah, the reason why I don't payattention to them is because,
like you said, they're notactually trying to help.
None of them, none of them are.
Um, and and there are there areplenty of examples.
And I'm listening folks, I'm notlambasting Hollywood, but

(43:02):
because there are plenty ofactors and actresses who have
become politicians.
And and listen, I'll just runthrough like just a brief, brief
list, right?
Of people that you know bothsides of the aisle.
Um, you know, Clay Aiken, right,ran for office, Sonny Bono.
Yep.
Um, who else?
Uh let's see, Clint Eastwood,obviously.

(43:22):
Um Al Franken, Melissa Gilbertran for office, um Arnold
Schwarzenegger, ArnoldSchwarzenegger, right?
You got Ronald Reagan, you gotyou know, all of these people,
Richard Petty, for crying outloud, ran for office.
Will Rogers, right?
Jerry Springer, George Takay,Fred Thompson, right?
Jesse Ventura.

(43:43):
All these people ran for officebecause why?
They wanted to help.
They wanted to actually make adifference.
So they put their Hollywoodcareer to the side and they ran
for office.
Um and and so they were willingto actually put their money
where their mouth is and and youknow, try and get involved in

(44:04):
the American process to makethings better.
That's why I don't care aboutGeorge Clooney's opinion or Mark
Ruffalo's opinion or BillyEilish's opinion or any of the
rest of these people who runtheir mouth and they, you know,
and and you know, and they do itfrom overseas.
You know, you've got KristenStewart who says she's gonna
make a big old splash becauseshe's leaving America, because

(44:25):
she can't work, uh, is herclaim.
I don't care.
None of us should care.
Most people in Hollywood, youknow, barely got out of high
school.
Some of them didn't even dothat, right?
Um, they're self-licking icecream cones with the media.
The media, you know, makes themfeel good.
They puppet whatever the mediasays, but they don't do anything
to actually help, right?

(44:46):
And oh, by the way, using yourplatform is not helping.

SPEAKER_03 (44:50):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (44:51):
Okay.
Um, so I I don't I don't buy it,I don't like it, I don't listen
to them, and I personally don'tcare.
Worry.

SPEAKER_04 (44:59):
No, and anyone that does, I seriously, I seriously
question your sanity.
I I mean, really, you know, andthere, and and I'll tell you,
you know, anytime that I see anactor uh or um celebrity, I
guess we'll say, uh come out asas conservative.
Yeah, absolutely.
I do.
I do a little, you know, mentalslow clap for them and a nice,

(45:20):
you know, nice, pleasantlysurprised uh reaction.
Um however, their theirstatements are not, you know,
like James Woods.
I'm a James Woods fan.
I was a James Woods fan as anactor long before any of this,
always been.
So yeah, when he came out on theconservative side and was very
vocal and is very vocal, um,yeah, I was like, oh, that's

(45:42):
really cool.
Now, is James Woods the personthat I go to for all of my um,
you know, political informationand how I determine what I'm
going to think and feel?
Of course not.
You know, so for anybody to bedoing that with any celebrity,
whatever side of things you areuh are are on, it's like, come
on now, stop being silly.
You know, they're they're calledactors for a reason.

(46:04):
Their job is to perform, andthey perform whether it's on the
stage or on the screen or offthe screen.
And that is a perfect example ofthat.
How do we know?
Because uh, are they what arethey doing besides, you know,
saying a few words and on a youknow, black, you know, I like
their dramatic videos, theirPSAs that they put out, you
know, it's always like black andwhite, dramatic, and they like

(46:26):
you know, say their line andthey take turns, you know, it's
like so stupid.
I've mocked them many times.
They've done like spoofs ofthat.
But where where are you puttingyour dollars?
Your your millions and millionsof dollars that you make off of
one movie, millions of dollarsjust to recite some lines and
and evoke some emotions withpeople.
By the way, great job.
Not knocking the talent.
I don't I don't know if I coulddo it.

(46:47):
I mean I think maybe I could,but whatever.
Most of us can't.

SPEAKER_02 (46:50):
Before people jump up and down, there is a guy who
is an entertainer who decided tothrow his hat in the ring and
you know, kind of becamepresident of the United States,
and he's doing a hell of a jobright now.
Yes, yes, Donald Trump is inthat crowd too.
No, we didn't miss him.
It was kind of a three-footputt, and I decided not to
mention that somebody, you know.

SPEAKER_04 (47:08):
Yeah, how could you forget about him?
What's wrong with you?

SPEAKER_02 (47:11):
He's he's in there too, folks.
I didn't forget about him.
Yeah, I'll know.
But he did, he did exactly whatI'm talking about, right?
Make America great again.
That's what he wanted to do,right?
Does it benefit him as a as areal estate guy?
Sure it does, right?
But he did he did what we wantAmerican citizens to do, right?
He jumped in there, he put hismoney where his mouth is, yeah,
and he ran and got elected twiceto be president of the United

(47:32):
States.
Good for him, right?

SPEAKER_04 (47:34):
I listen, I admire that whether whether I'm on the
same um political side assomeone or not, I admire anyone
who um decides to do that,decides to, you know, say, hey,
listen, I've got these reallystrong opinions, and I'm, like
you said, I'm gonna put my moneywhere my mouth is.
I'm gonna, you know, and I'm notgonna just talk the talk.
I'm actually gonna walk the walkand throw my hat in and do the

(47:56):
hard things and um, you know,whatever happens, happens.
But at least they try.
At least they try.

SPEAKER_02 (48:01):
So yeah, um folks will there will be folks in the
comments that will criticize usfor the exact same thing.
Of course, right?
Yeah, and listen, I catch itfrom my mom all the time.
She tells me I should run foroffice.
I'm not all the time.
And here's the reality, folks.
I put 27 years of governmentservice in.
Like I've yeah, I've paid mypaid my dues.

(48:22):
I have served the government fora long, long time.

SPEAKER_04 (48:25):
Yes, you have definitely paid your dues and
then some.
Yeah, absolutely.
And as for me, yes, I havepeople, I have had people many
times say, I wish you would runrun for office.
I was like, it's not my lane,not my lane.
I know my lane, I know my skillset and uh politics.
I I'm honestly, I know you guysare gonna have hard time
believing this, but I'm way toohot-headed for that.

(48:47):
Um shocking, I know, it'sshocking.
I know it's so shocking.
Yeah, I do not have the skilland of um reserve.
I I just I can't I listen, likeI said, I know my skill set, and
politics is not it.
It's just not you send me inthat faith-based direction any
day, anytime, and be off like arocket.

(49:09):
But politics, no.
I I generally, you know, theirony here, guys, uh is you
know, Clay and I talk about thisstuff every week.
Uh I talk about it uh on all ofmy content, you know, or my
version of talking about it.
And um, but I will tell you,like most people, I hate
politics.
I hate everything about it.
I think it's disgusting andgross and corrupt and bad.
Um, you know, what we've done toit as people, as humans.

(49:32):
As my husband has always said,um, you know, his favorite line
is, you know, what what dopeople do?
Honey, he says to me, and I say,people ruin everything because
that's what you know, that'sthat's the line.
That's what he says.
People ruin everything.
Everything that is good, people,humans, will find a way to ruin
it.
And yeah, endless examples.
Oh, let's see, which one do youwant to do?

(49:54):
Clay.

SPEAKER_02 (49:56):
You pick.

SPEAKER_04 (49:57):
Let's talk about let's talk about this.
Can we skip to this one?
Is that okay?
Yeah.
Oh my goodness.
So this just happened the otherday.
As you guys probably know andremember, but if you're new to
the show, you don't know this.
That uh Clay and I record onWednesday and we air the show on
Thursday.
Uh it's a timing thing, um, justcoordinating our schedules, all

(50:20):
of that stuff.
So we cover the previous week'suh goings on um and the first
half of this week.
So yeah, so this will be youknow a couple days old by the
time you guys are seeing this.
Um so here's my here's mythought on this.
The minute I watch the video, Ihonestly thought right away.

(50:40):
I was like, did they like planthat?
Did they script it?
Because it's really cheesy.
Like that's the nicest way Icould say it's so cheesy.
Like, first of all, she getssprayed.
Like, first of all, there's apoint where it looks like she
kind of like nods to the guy.
Does she?
I don't know.
It just kind of looks that way.
Like she gives him, like, okay,yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (50:59):
Wait, hold on, folks, before we go too far,
this is about Oh, I'm sorry, goahead.
Alien Omar was holding a pressconference last night, last
night, night before, um, wheresomeone who was sitting in a
chair four feet away from hergot up, sprayed an unknown
liquid in her face, and then wasgrabbed by security and removed.

(51:21):
Um, so this is Elsa's reactionto what happened.

SPEAKER_04 (51:24):
Sorry, guys.
I you know, I I treated thissegment as if it were the
thoughts in my head.
You know, I'm one of those, I'mone of those women that will be
having a conversation in my headand then just start saying it
out loud.
And you know, usually it's mypoor husband who's like, why are
you talking?
I just did that to you guys.
Thank you, Clay, for uhclarifying.

(51:48):
Uh, but yeah, so that's that'sthat.
So yeah, it just looks reallyfake.
Like when you're like, let'slet's pretend, let's just
pretend that I, you know, I'm anattacker or you're an attacker
and you've got a substance thatyou're gonna spray at somebody
because you, I don't know, youwant to scare them or cause some
physical discomfort, whateveryour intentions, big or small.

(52:09):
Like, I'm thinking I'm not gonnaaim for your chest, your
clothing.
I would I'm thinking I'dprobably try and go for your
face because I want to likeblind you or you know, but the
choose the sprays are on thechest.

SPEAKER_02 (52:23):
I'm also not gonna choose apple cider vinegar as
the substance that I'm going tospray you with.
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (52:31):
Yeah, and you know, just the whole body, and I'm not
a body language expert, I'm justan average person saying what I
see here, calling out what Isee.
Now, her response and reactionlike I she like braced herself
for it, and her immediatereaction was to like to go after

(52:51):
him, to go chase him down andget him.
I I just don't really believethat that was a instinctual
natural response.
The whole thing smells like BSto me.

SPEAKER_02 (53:05):
What do you think?
She's got Jussie Smolet writtenall over it, yes.
As um um Dave Chappelle callsthem juicy smolet.
But uh, this is so I when thesmallet thing happened, I I am
the first person that I know thefollowing morning when it hit
the news wire.
I was like, this is 100% BS.

(53:27):
I did not react as quickly tothis one, but my feeling is
exactly the same.
There are so many holes in this.
Like, she's a sitting uh memberof the House of Representatives.
Like this guy that sprayed her,who didn't do a good job of
clearing out his entire socialmedia uh background, is way, way
left.
He's got like pronouns, transkids, he's got like all of this.

(53:51):
He's he is all of those things.
Um he got into the front row.
Um he decided to use again applecider or vinegar to spray her
with.
He was allowed to stand up andclose the distance with her,
spray her, and then step awayfrom her before any of the
security reacted to what wasgoing on.

unknown (54:13):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (54:13):
And by the way, very small space, right?
Very small space.

SPEAKER_02 (54:17):
She didn't flinch, she didn't shy away, she went
right after him, she went andwashed her face off right away.
Like there was no concern aboutbiohazard.
There was no like get her to thehospital, evacuate the room.
Nobody else was cleared out ofthe room.
She washed her face and cameback and kept talking.
This is 100% garbage.

SPEAKER_04 (54:38):
It's so silly.
It's so silly, it's soembarrassing.
And you know, what the you know,the story that they wanted to
run this with is like, how lookat how violent the right is that
they're attacking.
You know, because the the theback room discussion had to have
been like, listen, we're lookingreally bad with all these
attacks.
But if if if it looks likethey're attacking us, you know,
we can we've got something tosay here.

(54:59):
Idiots.

SPEAKER_02 (55:00):
I I think this was an attempt to deflect away from
them going through her finances.

SPEAKER_04 (55:06):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (55:08):
100%.
This is the same that you know,again, it's Justy Smollett.
It's the exact same thing.
Um and and they are gonna findvery, very quickly that there
was some sort of communicationbetween this guy and someone
connected with her.
And it's all gonna come apartvery and and and she is going to

(55:29):
be in more legal trouble becausethis is right, this is a a form
of interference, it's a form offraud.
Like there's there's all of thethings that are gonna go on top
of this, just like Smollett did,right?
He got nailed because he wastedtens, hundreds of thousands of
dollars from the Chicago PoliceDepartment in the investigation.
The exact same thing is gonnahappen because this, ladies and

(55:49):
gentlemen, I'm calling it now.
If you're not a believer, thisis all BS.
It's garbage.

SPEAKER_04 (55:55):
Completely, completely so I'm like, I can't
stand her and I'm embarrassedfor her.
Oh, that was so lame.
Um, last thing, we're just aboutout of time, but we promised
that we would be taking a lookinto that comments section to
see what y'all had to say.
Um, so Clay, I didn't even askif you pulled any up.
I did pull up.
I have I have two first.

SPEAKER_03 (56:17):
Yeah, you really did.

SPEAKER_04 (56:18):
I mean, it's only fair.
You didn't get all of our topicsfirst.
I think it's the least I coulddo here.
So listen, I want to start witha nice one.
Start with a nice one here,Clay.
And guess who it's for?
Not me.
It's for you.
Uh, this is for anybodylistening.
Candy said, I do appreciate youbreaking this all down so I
understand what's actually goingon in regards to Greenland.

(56:39):
And um, you know, I completelyagree with Candy because I
didn't really, I don't reallyunderstand it very well.
And um, so I I also thank you,but it was really great that uh
Candy got that from last week'sepisode.
And um you really did, I gottasay, you really did break it
down so well.
Like it was so clear and easy tounderstand.

(57:00):
Because most people like mostpeople, and I include myself in
that, um, don't follow thisstuff that heavily.
Like we kind of get the littlesound bites and stuff, but we
don't really understand.
And like, let's face it, life isbusy, we're overwhelmed with all
of the things that get you knowthrown at us all day long that
like you just you're like, yeah,I want to know, but I just I
can't, I just can't dive intothat right now.

(57:22):
And you broke it down so quicklyand easily for everyone, myself
included.
So it was great.
My second reason for wanting toput that up there, Clay, is
because you know, we weretalking last week.
Man, they throw punches at youin that in that comment section
a lot of times.
So I'm like, I this guy needs a,you know, and I know you're
tough and you can handle it justfine, but you know, let's give
him an out of boy here.

SPEAKER_02 (57:41):
Thank you.
Thank you.
Taking my sensitive side intoaccount.
I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_04 (57:46):
You're very welcome.
Very well.
I've said this before.
I have I I am a fierce defenderof my my people and my life.
So that includes you, please.
I will I will go to fisticuffsfor you.
Oh, and then speaking offisticuffs, then we've got this
guy.
So my favorite thing among manythings, and of course I mean

(58:06):
this sarcastically, is thepeople who drop in the comment
section with their memes.
Like they just drop a meme andthey're like, you know, like
they're dropping a truth bomb ateverybody.
Um, you know, this is anotherone of those stupid guys.
If you're listening, it's a memeuh with a picture of uh Alex
Pretty and a DHS officer uh faceto face.

(58:26):
It's just a still shot of them.
Uh, you can see in the picturethat Freddy is holding his cell
phone uh up.
Um and the caption is in Trump'sAmerica, a camera is considered
a weapon.
Why?
Because it's loaded with theammunition they fear most of
all, the truth.
That's that's his meme.
I mean, listen, that's so dumb.

(58:48):
I honestly just wanted to sharebecause it's just so dumb.
You're uh throwing a meme up ina comment section isn't the
winning argument that you thinkit is.
It's lazy, it's cheap, it's hasa maybe most times like the most
vague ounce of truth to it, butit's mostly just in inflaming
and stupidity.

(59:09):
Um, what were your thoughts onthat?

SPEAKER_02 (59:12):
Well, it one of my pet peeves, and I've said this a
number of times, because I Ihave people that have come after
me, you know, all over socialmedia for a number of reasons,
and it's always the same peoplewho generate no original thought
or no original content.
And so that gentleman, deacon,whatever his name was, um again,
that's not original thought.
That is him dumping somebodyelse's thought, somebody else's

(59:35):
meme that he pulled fromsomewhere else, and he's using
it to send some sort of message.
I know people, uh, friends andfamily, acquaintances, even
people I don't know, who donothing but, literally, nothing
but post some big long thingthat somebody else has written,
and at the top they'll just say,This.
Yeah.
And they generate no originalthought, no analysis, no

(59:57):
original content, nothing.
Literally.
It's everything from everybodyelse.
And it is like the number oneindicator to me that you are a
lemming.
You really are a lemming.
If you don't produce anything ofyour own, and all you do is push
everybody else's crap, um, youhave no original thought.
And truthfully, I I have not thetime nor the inclination to read

(01:00:21):
whatever it is that you'reputting up.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:22):
Yeah.
On the rare occasion that I uhclick on these people's
profiles, I before I do it, Imake a little bet with myself.
And the bet is usually is thereso there, it's gonna be one of
two things.
They have almost next to nothingon their um their profile, um,
or it is all memes, anti-Trumpmeans, anti-you know,

(01:00:45):
everything, everything with thisadministration or anyone who,
you know, is MAGA.
Um in nine times out of ten,actually, ten times out of ten,
I'm 100% correct.
Every single time, every singlepost.
There is nothing about lovedthis wonderful day with my
family, uh, no, you know, tookthis great picture of this

(01:01:08):
scenery, uh, went to this trip,did this really nice fun thing.
Thank you to so like nothingpositive, nothing productive,
nothing kind, nothing useful.
Meme after meme after meme aftermeme.
And that's enough.
Like that's all I don't evenhave to, I don't even click on
them anymore, but for a periodof time, I would be curious
enough to take a peep, see whatthey're all about.

(01:01:29):
And sure enough, that's all itis.
And you know, quite frankly, Ifind it uh I find it depressing.
Yeah, like it makes me so sadfor their families.
Like, this is the person youguys have to deal with.
Like I can just block them anddelete them, but you're stuck
with them.
Oh, you poor, poor things.
So sad.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:47):
So I I am I am much more apt to listen to you, to
listen to your opinion if I seethings like I read this article.
Here's the link.
Here's what I took from this.
Yeah, here's what I believe.
I think this, even if you say Ithink the author's full of crap
and the article's garbage,express something, do some
analysis of your own.

(01:02:08):
But the you know, that wholelike this or I can't even, or
like just the meme, or you know,those kinds of things.
If that is like you said, ifthat is your content and that is
all your content is, like, don'texpect me to take you seriously.
I'm just not gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:25):
No, it's impossible.
And any comment, uh, you know,anything along those lines in
the comments sections, I canguarantee to you, you're not
gonna get a reaction, you're notgonna get a response, you're not
gonna get anything.
You know, if you're gonna throwout the the cliche, you know,
maggots, you know, that's my oneof my other favorites.
Oh, you're another maggot,blonde bimbo, you know, bearded

(01:02:45):
guy.
Like, you know, somebody I didsee somebody since I didn't even
bother capturing this.
Somebody said, Why the brickwall?
Dude, it's a calm down it.
It's not a real brick wall, it'sjust a backdrop.
Okay.
I mean, I don't know.
Do you want to see thesoundproofing in in my studio?
I I mean, I can do that for youif you want, but I just I don't

(01:03:08):
want to look at soundproofingbehind me.
So calm down.
Care less about stupid things.
Yeah, oh, okay.
So that was fun.
Actually, I'm I actually reallylike this segment.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:21):
I do too.
I think it's great.
I wouldn't keep doing this.
I like it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:24):
And I I think I'm gonna try and do that.
Like one nice one, one spicyone, right?
That's kind of fun.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:29):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:30):
Oh my goodness, guys, that was a lot of fun.
Uh, even the tough topics.
It's you know, when I say funwhen we're talking about tough,
tough topics, what I mean isthat I I like the dialogue, I
like the you know, perspective,um, back and forth sharing.
So, and I hope you guys enjoyedit too.
Clay, I'm giving it to you toclose them out.
You know the deal.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:50):
Hey, folks, uh, we appreciate you.
We appreciate the comments.
Uh, keep them coming.
Maybe you'll get picked and getput in there next week and we'll
talk about you and we'll putyour name up there.
Um, but uh, as always for me,until then, keep moving, keep
shooting.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:02):
Take care, guys.
We'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:04):
The headlines will change by tomorrow, but the
patterns won't.
Thanks for spending this timewith us.
We'll be back to keep asking theharder questions and telling the
quieter truths.
Until then, stay grounded, bediscerning, and we'll see you
next time.