April 3, 2025 • 43 mins
Knowledge without action is just mental clutter. This powerful truth sits at the heart of our exploration into embodiment – the transformative process that bridges the gap between what we know and how we live.
Have you ever bought a gym membership you never used? Saved workout videos you never tried? Or read self-help books that didn't change your behavior? You're not alone. Despite having unprecedented access to information through smartphones, books, podcasts, and social media, many of us struggle to create lasting change. Studies show we consume over 100,000 words of information daily but retain only about 10% without active engagement.
The reason? Embodiment requires vulnerability, discipline, and discomfort – everything our brain is programmed to avoid. We stay in "fact collector" mode because it's safe. A Stanford study revealed people who learn without practice overestimate their ability to change by 40%, setting themselves up for disappointment. As we playfully explore through our "EM Word Nerd Game" with words like empower, embark, and embrace, the message becomes clear: information without implementation creates no transformation.
Moving from knowing to embodying requires several practical approaches: applying information immediately, creating daily micro-practices, developing body awareness through breathwork, establishing accountability, and slowing down information consumption to allow for integration. Most importantly, we discuss the power of coherence – aligning your mind and heart to create unstoppable momentum toward your goals.
• Consuming information without application leads to mental clutter and false confidence
• Most people stay in "fact collector" mode because it's safe and doesn't require vulnerability
• The Dunning-Kruger effect causes people to overestimate their abilities without practice
• Embodiment requires coherence between mind and heart—not just thinking but feeling
• Our bodies serve as instruments that must resonate with what we want to attract
• Moving from knowing to doing requires immediate application, daily micro-practices, and body awareness
• Knowledge is the spark, embodiment is the flame that creates lasting change
• Even small, consistent actions create more transformation than passive consumption
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Okay, you got some Wild Wild West.
I mean, it looks like you'reready to rein in some-.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
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here with me and enjoy thiswild ride.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
You're a cowgirl.
Be here with me and enjoy thiswild ride.
You're a cowgirl.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Okay, jeans and a t-shirt Boys are so basic.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You're a cowgirl calling in all the couch
cushions this takes time to comeup with this kind of style.
I like it though.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It takes time okay.
And I'm sorry it's called ajacket, a hat, over my PJs.
It's thoughtful.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I'm sorry.
I went for the jeans andt-shirt because I thought that's
what you wanted.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Let's record a podcast.
How about this?
Welcome to the EmpowermentCouple Podcast, where your path
to self-mastery expands.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
My co-host is Empowerment Coach Zuri Starr.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
And he's Expansion Coach Mikey Starr.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Together we are the Empowerment Couple.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Our mission is simple to serve you, love, so you can
make informed decisions toregain and maintain your
personal power.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
We'll take you on a journey to a life filled with
purpose, passion and limitlesspossibilities, while sharing
stories of transformation,wellness hacks and healthy
habits backed by science andancient wisdom.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Plus, we'll keep you entertained with engaging games,
banter and funny innuendosalong the way.
Each episode is an excitingblend of education,
entertainment and empowermentdesigned to help you create a
mindset to be a magnet for morelove, happiness and abundance.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Together with our special guests.
We are dedicated to sharinginformation that empowers you to
create your most beautiful life.
A one-zine, a two-zine, athree-zine your most beautiful
life I got nothing, I gotnothing, I got nothing you're
supposed to say something.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I forgot.
How about this?
Okay, you can't drink literallyhe's drinking, while he was
sitting there swooshing hisdrink.
Like it's been a minute sinceyou recorded a podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Not just any drink.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Oh no, Not just any drink.
Some ashwagandha and somemagnesium and some L-theanine.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I mean, it's all kinds of stuff that we read in
articles and we realized, likeman, if we can just incorporate
these things into our lives.
And that's what we're doingwe're embodying our information
to become better versions ofourselves.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Better versions.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Better versions of ourselves.
Well, at least I'm trying to.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yes, yes.
Well, thanks for empowering me.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
No problem, no problem.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
How many times have you bought a gym membership and
never used it?
In my lifetime Mm-hmm At leasttwice, and they were both
24-hour fitness and they lovedto take my business yeah this
was a long time ago, but Iactually, I think, was on your
plan and I used to go more thanyou did because I would go to
(03:51):
the classes.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
The dance classes yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, the Zumbas and the dance classes and the
Pilates, and I really like those.
And I will even say that webought into all the benefits of
having a gym at our own house,even Correct.
And then there were times whereboth of us did not use it at
(04:16):
all, like I'm talkingstate-of-the-art gym in your
house.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It was the cleanest room in the house because it got
cleaned and never used for likemonths.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
It got created and then not used.
Correct, yes, and to the pointwhere it was like maybe we
should get rid of all thisequipment because, by the way,
nobody's using it.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
No, Until my back went out, which reminded me oh
yeah, your back went out becauseyou asked to do something that
it wasn't.
Back went out because you askedto do something that it wasn't
prepared to do, because youweren't working out.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
So you weren't working out, even though you
knew that's good for your body,it's good for your mental health
, good for your sleep.
You had already bought into thefact.
You went all over the place,picked up equipment.
You did all of this work, allover the place, picked up like
equipment.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
You did all of this work and that was like to embody
a physical fitness.
I had the workout plans.
I had all the materials.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
The TV, the sound system.
I had everything that I neededto move forward except for the
action.
Yes, and that is what over andover again, I see in my coaching
business.
I see what over and over againI see in my coaching business.
I see it over and over again inconsulting stuff that I do on
social media.
It's this idea of I want thisthing or I know this thing and
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then not doing the thing or notembodying the thing, correct,
yeah.
So we're going to talk allabout embodiment today.
Let's do this it's going to bevery exciting.
I'm super excited.
Are you excited?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I'm very excited.
I feel like this concept iswhat literally has brought us to
the microphone.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yes, well, tell me something about that.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Well, I will tell you that we live in a day and age,
really.
A day and age, a day and agewhere we're literally flooded
with information we all havesmartphones in our pockets we
could find the answers to anyquestion that we ever needed.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Books, podcasts.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Everything, everything and yet Reels
Collectively TikToks, we'restill not doing all that great.
Yeah, experts.
And why is that?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I mean, that is the question right.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
That is the question.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
We have all of this information, but are we doing
anything with the information?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
That is correct.
It's the difference betweenreading a book and then applying
the information.
Actually, it's the differencebetween buying a book and
actually reading a book.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, like knowing something and actually embodying
.
It is what we're going to betalking about today, because you
don't become empowered by whatyou know.
You become empowered by how youlive what you know.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Ooh, I like that.
That's how you live, what youknow, that's beautiful, okay,
chloe.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
So let's talk about how knowing is not doing.
Yeah, because knowledge isimportant, but without action
it's just mental clutter,Correct?
So a factoid for you.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I like factoids.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
The average person consumes over 100,000 words of
information per day, accordingto Forbes.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
100,000 words of information per day, according
to Forbes, but studies show only10% of that information is
retained without action orengagement 10%, and I totally
agree with that and I feel likethe key word is consumes right.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
We're consuming information, we are consumers
and we have no problem consuminginformation right.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
What we need to do is apply that information.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That's the difference .
Hey, I got a quote in my pocketthat applies here.
Oh, my God.
This is from Johann Wolfgangvon Goethe.
I don't know if I pronouncedGoethe.
I love the quote, though.
He says knowing is not enough,we must apply.
Willing is not enough.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
We must enough, we must apply.
Willing is not enough, we mustdo Action, we need action.
It's really crazy, because youcould memorize every self-help,
self-development, personaldevelopment book in existence
and still feel stuck, becauseinformation without integration
is just noise.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
It's just noise, exactly, and there's so, so, so,
so, so much noise on here.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
So much noise so much noise.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well, I like to talk a little bit about kind of
focusing on what embodimentactually means.
Right, we're talking aboutaction.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
What is it?
Yeah, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
But embodiment is really when knowledge becomes
instinct right, it's felt in thebody, it's practiced daily,
becomes instinct, right, it'sfelt in the body, it's practiced
daily, it's visible in youractions, your energy, your
choices.
When you decide to applyinformation that you got
somewhere, be it a diet, be it anew way of working out, do it
(08:57):
how you raise your kids.
The embodiment, basically, iswhen you take that information
and you make a game plan as tohow you're going to move forward
.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, when you ritualize it Correct.
It's like a lot where peopleget stuck on the how.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
There's a study out of Harvard that found that
learning paired with physicalaction or emotional engagement
creates new neural pathways at afaster rate than passive
consumption.
So when we're talking aboutpassive consumption, that's
literally consuming.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
That's literally the scroll Right exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And it's funny because they're using the same
word twice passive andconsumption right.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
See, like I'm a scroller, but then I save the
scroll, thinking that I'm goingto go back to the thing that I
just learned on TikTok orInstagram or wherever you're you
know wherever you're scrollingYouTube Shorts and you're like,
oh, I'm going to save this, I'mgoing to look at this later
because, like, I'm going toretain this at some point.
And you think like, oh, this isreally good.
(10:00):
And like how many times haveyou saved something on any
social media platform and thennot looked at?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
it.
That is correct, but I likewhat you were talking about.
Is you find something?
So, if you use social media, ifyou use the news, I take a
little action, exactly.
But if you use it to seek outinformation, you're no longer a
passive consumer, you're anactive consumer.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Right, and I do end up.
I now have created a practicewhere I take that little reel or
TikTok and I Don't you look atme when I talk to you.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Sometimes your gaze is too much Zuri.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I get that a lot.
I'm a little bit Medusa.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Oh, there's the fire, don't look too much.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
But now I take it a little step further.
I was saying and you weren'tlistening I was saying I take it
a step further and I now amlike using it and being like oh
okay, I want to look back at thethings that I saved in this
week.
So now I have a practice onSundays where I look at what
I've saved to retain it, becausesometimes I'm passively
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scrolling and then activelyscrolling and now I add it to a
ritual where I can actually putit into my brain.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, I also want to thank you for teaching me how to
actually search for things onInstagram, and actually TikTok
is what got me, because I'd gointo TikTok looking for
something and I'd spend threehours scrolling for one thing
and you're like no, just type itin, Like oh, I didn't know
there was a search for like thefirst two months.
(11:42):
I was like what the hell this?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
is all.
Social media has a search and,um, you know like it should be
used for you to find what you'reactually looking for, and also
like some of the algorithms arebetter but, like tiktok, for
example, if you put in what youare looking for, it will start
serving that content to you moreoften.
It uses your search as a way ofbuilding out your For you page
(12:07):
and whatever you interact with.
So you've got to be careful.
You can't just be interactingwith shit that you don't care
about, because if you do, it'sgoing to give you more of that
Correct, and now a lot ofplatforms have the not
interested or block or don'tserve and stuff like that.
So, yeah, we're digressing.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
No, that's actually right in alignment.
I mean you're becoming more ofa discerning user, right, you
are seeking information toembody.
It's different from justcollecting information and
consuming information, than noteven using it.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, like my Instagram workouts or my TikTok
workouts like saving them andthen not using them and then not
doing them, it's like wait, youhave to actually do the
exercise and not just save theworkout.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Exactly I mean how many times have you read a
self-help book or a self-lovebook?
And you know you can, you candescribe and, and to great
detail about self-love, right,you know, you know what it means
, but until you actually applythat information, you set
boundaries and you speak kindlyto yourself and you live in
alignment.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
you're not inviting it, you're just collecting
information, yeah, and a lot ofpeople are like, oh yeah, I
practice self-love.
And it's like, okay, how, howare you practicing self-love?
And then they're just totallystumped.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Well, I'm reading this book.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I love myself and it's like, okay, how are you
actively embodying that?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
What are your self-love practices and habits?
Well, embodiment is when yourbody, your mind and your spirit
are all on the same page.
It's wisdom in motion.
I like that Wisdom in motion,wisdom in motion.
And in order for that to happen, there has to be a two-part
process Right.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
You seek and then you apply.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yes, so let's play a game.
We're going to play a littlegame based on word association.
Mike just asked me to pausebefore the game because he
already started laughing.
I love these games.
He's like pause Okay.
Behind the scenes Ready Go, go.
So we're playing this game.
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It's a game that's like a wordassociation.
Why should we call this game?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's the M Game, m Game.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Okay, this is the M game, but Not the end, but the M
game.
The M game.
And it's a word, nerd, it's aword nerd, m is basically a
prefix.
Mike and I are both word nerdsbecause I'm a lyricist and he's
a poet, so we are word nerds.
Just join us.
Come to the fun side of theisland.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
We're going to have some fun, right now I'm over
here playing with my vowels.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Okay, to the fun side of the island.
We're going to have some fun.
Right now I'm over here playingwith my vowels, okay.
Well, I'm playing with a prefixtoday.
Okay, this prefix, m, comesfrom the Greek and Latin origins
meaning in into within or tocause to be Okay.
It often signals transformation,movement or a state of being.
So let's talk about M, e-mEverybody on the same page,
ready, all right, okay.
So we're talking aboutembodiment, okay.
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And embodiment comes from theword embody, right, yeah?
Which means to give form tosomething intangible.
It's about making an idea, abelief or an energy real.
It's living it, expressing it,being it.
It's not just knowing something, it's becoming it.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Correct.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
So we're going to play this game where I'm going
to have three words.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Three M words.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Three M words and I'm going to talk about what they
mean, how to embody those words.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Got it.
So three M words, I feel likeyou have something sneaky.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
No, I don't have anything sneaky, no Famous last
words.
As soon as you get that little,look on your face and you're
like no the drama, it's like thelie is big.
The higher the pitch, thebigger the lie.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I can't control it, let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
No, you can't control it.
You're just embodying all thejoy and laughter and fun of a
little kid.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
The foreplay of this game is just too much.
Let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
The foreplay is too much.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I'm too sensitive.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
It's too fast, too soon.
Okay, for example, just soeveryone knows how to play this
game, play along with us EmpowerPosse.
Let's use empower.
Okay.
Empower to embody.
Empower is to give strength orauthority.
Okay, so that's how you wouldplay this game.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Got it Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
All right, so you go first, because you're really
jumping at the bit.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So I have to come up with an M word, okay.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, so an E-M word.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
One of my favorite is , I would say, to embolden.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Embolden.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Embolden.
I don't use embolden quiteoften, However.
I embold people on a regularbasis and embolden basically is
to make someone brave orconfident.
Oh we could have been.
Oh guess what?
We could have been theemboldenment couple.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Emboldenment.
Is it emboldenment no?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Think of bold.
Bold is a root word.
Yes, emboldenment.
I don't know if it's oremboldened.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, emboldened, that's what I was going to say.
It's or emboldened yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Emboldened company.
That's what I was going to say.
It's not emboldement,emboldementsments, emboldestness
.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
No, okay, so what is it?
Emboldened, emboldened,emboldened couple.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
To make someone brave or competent.
What do?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
you got?
I don't know, it doesn't havethe same ring.
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
We chose wisely, I think we chose wisely Wait but
who?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
chose wisely.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
We did Uh-huh Okay.
I'm like who.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
All right, Speaking of you know, work, work, work,
work, work, work and twerk.
My word is employ, Ooh, Employ.
Employ it's like I employed youto be on this podcast.
No, employ is to put somethinginto use.
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So, like a person, when youhire them, for example, you're
putting their talents into use.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And it's an action.
It's them doing the action.
Ooh, yonks, gosh darn it.
You like it.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I wish I had something better.
But guess what I do?
I'm going to go for embark.
Uh-oh, embark is to start ajourney or undertaking.
So what I'm dealing with andI'm hanging out with and not
hanging out with, but when I'mworking with my clients, a lot
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of the times I'm helping themembark on a journey towards
self-discovery, a journeytowards better health, with
their partners, their loved ones.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It's a difference between counseling and coaching
is that with coaching, youembark on the application
process.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Correct, we're in the canoe at the same time.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Like counseling.
They're just listening to you.
The therapist or whatever thecounselor is listening to you,
whereas a coach is like, oh no,homeboy, we're getting in the
canoe, we're going to do thistogether.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Hold the oar like this and dip it into the water.
See, it gets some momentum.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
So embark, I love it Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
What's your third and final?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Have I done three.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yes, you did.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Okay, okay, okay, well, shoot, I have a handful
here.
Which one should I pick?
I'm going to emphasize,emphasize, emphasize.
I like that You're looking atme like it doesn't work.
I was like, wait, what Don't dothat, oh my God.
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Emphasize To put weight intosomething's importance.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
So why this is interesting is, when you
emphasize, you are adding actionto no.
Emphasize is good because itallows you to provide.
Why are you keep looking atthis?
No, no, no, I'm waiting for you.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
You're not waiting for me it provides perspective.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Right, emphasizing something that was overseen or
underseen gives someone a newperspective.
Okay, right, I like thatBecause you're really excited
about your third one so you justshit all over my third one.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I didn't shit.
Yeah, you did.
You're like.
No, I was watching you and youwere floundering and I helped
you out, you, son of a bitch.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Okay, so my last one is ML, and it's basically the
transference of digitaldocuments.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
It's what.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
ML or email.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
That's what you're waiting for this whole time.
It was funny when I thought ofit.
I'm dying.
He can't breathe.
This is how you know he's a dad.
His jokes are so bad and he'sthe only one laughing M-ail.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
M-ail M-ail.
No, it's email.
I'm just messing with you.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
It's not good.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Actually, I have something better.
You didn't have anything else.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
You really wanted that to land.
Oh, that's so cute.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Okay, I'm going to go for embellish.
On the real embellish, justlike you did with that really
bad joke, to make something moreattractive by adding
decorations, and sometimes Ihave to embellish people's lives
so they get to know just howgood they have it.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
And just how good they are.
Correct, yeah, by the way, myoutfit I embellished my PJs with
this jacket and this hat.
Earlier I had on some blingbling because, like, why not,
you know?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
That outfit makes me want to impregnate you.
Oh, guess what?
There's another.
M word.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Look at, you're just ruining this whole thing, the
editing I will have to do.
Anyway, that was a fun game.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That was a good game, do you?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
have another one, because you look real excited.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
No, no, no, no, I shot my load with email.
It was good times.
I was having a hard timecontrolling that one.
It was such a good one.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
You could see it was okay.
I mean, I don't know, employ,emphasize, what did I say?
Embody, empower, mm-hmm Well.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Right now.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Embrace.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Right now I'm getting hungry and I feel like I'm
suffering from being emaciated.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And I'm going to emulate throwing up on all of
your jokes today.
You know, in sign language,when they do the throw up sign,
I'm going to you know whatemulate is to imitate.
(23:45):
I'm embarrassed to imitate orstrive to match.
So the throw up sign is perfectfor your jokes.
I'm matching your jokes with myphysical reaction.
I'm emulating vomit you emptiedout your, your intestinal tract
well, I hope that we embossedsome amazing laughter and fun
(24:08):
into your day with this game.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That is correct.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
And I'm going to emphasize the importance of
laughing as much as possible, atevery point possible, so that
we can embark on this journeyand embrace every single moment
with joy.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Okay, let's get back down to the show.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Swear, we are sober, swear we are sober 100%.
Just high on life.
Okay, so we're going to talkabout why we get stuck in
knowledge mode and this is goingto help.
Okay, so the key thing tounderstand is that most people
stay in the fact collector zonebecause it's safe Ooh, the safe
(24:52):
zone.
Embodiment requiresvulnerability, discipline and
oftentimes discomfort.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That is correct.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
And what does our brain hate more than anything?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Discomfort.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Discomfort, like it will do everything to avoid
being uncomfortable.
Oh, for sure, For sure Wellthere's a Stanford study showed
that that people who engage inintellectual learning without
practice overestimated theirability to change by 40%.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
And you know what that overestimation is?
A fucking buzzkill, right whenyou're like, oh, this time next
month I'm going to be doing thisand doing that, doing this, and
then when it doesn't happen,it's a double hit.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, I always like I had these moments in early
adulthood where people would saylike, oh well, that's going to
take you like three years, and Iwas like what are you talking
about?
And like manifesting generatorpersonality, I was like I can do
that in three months, you know,and not realizing that they're
actually right, and sometimes Icould cut it in half because I
(25:59):
am fast at certain things.
But you know, and I manifestand stuff like that, and I'm
like, oh, I'm playing with adifferent energy field and I
have like this cockiness, butactually, like you really have
to do a lot of action in orderfor things even manifesting.
Even manifesting, we'll talkmore about that.
But here's a good factoid.
(26:20):
The Dunning-Kruger effect oftenshows up here.
The more you know, the more youthink you've arrived.
But without embodiment, growthplateaus.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
So I have arrived several times in my life, right?
I get to a point where I'm like, oh yeah, I've totally figured
this out, I get it and I haven'tarrived anywhere, right?
Yep, I just got a little bitmore comfortable being somewhere
.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yep, but it comes down to this, like if
information was the answer, we'dall be billionaires with
perfect abs.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Oh yes.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
That's from Derek Zippers.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I like how you just pull these quotes out of your
pocket, that's nice yeah.
Your pockets have deep quotes.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
But it happens a lot in my coaching business.
People are like oh yeah, I knowthat, oh yeah, I learned that,
and it's like, yes, you reallyhaven't learned something until
you've embodied it, until you'veput it into application, until
it's part of your habits.
It's part of your habits, it'spart of who you are as a person,
and the universe will matchthat.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
It's not what you know, but what you do.
Yeah.
So if you're active in theprocess of redoing your life or
in the process of up-levelingyour education or something that
is actually what you're doing,yeah, and the pattern is that
most people want to feel betterwithout doing better.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Correct.
That's where facts fail andembodiment wins.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Wins, and what we're looking for are wins.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yes, right, we want win after win after win,
integration baby.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So the next segment really is going to be about how
to move from knowing toembodiment.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
So we're going to talk a little bit more about
some actual practices.
Right?
So you have what is called theintegration time, right?
So after learning something,you have to apply it immediately
.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, this is where, like, the scrolling thing
doesn't totally work.
That's why I'm like I startedrevisiting it, Like when you
know, like this exercise programthat I like saved.
I'm like I started revisitingit, Like when you know, like
this exercise program that Ilike saved.
I'm like, oh, I want to learnhow to do that dance mover.
Oh, I want to learn how to dothis, Like, and I'd save it.
And then I'd scroll to the nextthing A couple of minutes later
, save something else.
And it's like, wait a minute,if I'm never going to look at
(28:35):
these, this is ridiculous.
Like, why am I even looking atthis?
Content Correct, so you have toapply it immediately.
You have to apply it immediatelyor set time aside that you're
going to actually apply it.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Correct, even if the action is tiny like what you
said.
You know what I'm going to maketime tomorrow to check this out
.
I'm going to make time tomorrowto call this number.
I'm going to make time, youknow, put it in your schedule.
Whatever you can do to make itto add some momentum, the better
.
Then you have your practicesright.
So you have your daily micropractices.
(29:07):
Habits and these are small,consistent actions that align
you, step-by-step, with whatyou're looking for.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Right, and sometimes they're baby steps and sometimes
they become, you know, morecomplex, like a habit stack, for
example.
That would be a complex way ofputting it into practice.
It's like, okay, I only have somuch time in the day.
I'm going to do my mind food atthe same time as my workout for
example.
Okay, let's talk about bodyawareness.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Okay.
So, of course, with bodyawareness, you want to use your
breath work, you want to usemovement.
You need to do some sort ofsomatic exercises so that you
are in constant connection withyour body, with your heart.
Get into your body, get intoyour heart, and that will allow
you to move faster, becausewhat's going to slow you down is
(29:57):
your ego.
It's the mind that will slowyou down.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, your mind Every time.
Get in your head, you're dead.
Start with your heart instead.
So your breath work and yoursomatic practices which somatic
practices would be breath workthose are going to allow your
nervous system to get into arhythm of action.
(30:21):
So, that's when you're actuallyapplying something that you
have learned.
If you know you're meant tomeditate, that would be a
practice.
If you know you're meant topractice deep breathing.
That would be a practice.
Body awareness is massive.
What else?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
There's accountability and reflection.
This is like you know.
You're journaling.
This is where coaching comes in, or some sort of community
check-in that you're connectedwith.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, yep, and then slowing down with your
information consumption like youused that word earlier because
embodiment requires digestion,correct.
So you sometimes think that youknow something.
All of us me, mike we all haveexperiences where we think we
(31:08):
know it and then we keeplearning the same lesson again.
A big one for me is likeboundaries Like I think I have
amazing boundaries and then allof a sudden I'm getting like
totally leeched on by anotherenergy vampire because I had
compassion for what they weregoing through, right.
So it's like my patterns arebecause I haven't learned how to
(31:29):
embody them in every situationand like you haven't really
learned it.
Until the universe stopschallenging you with it to a
point where you're notchallenged, you're just like, oh
no, that's a no.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I like also what you said in regards to requires
digestion.
It reminded me of a time whereI was consuming books via
Audible, like over and, over and, over and over again, and I got
.
I was, I don't know, reading,listening to a book a week, bare
minimum.
And I got to a point the otherday when I was like, oh, I'm
going to get back into Audiblebecause I was listening to music
for a while.
So I'm going to get back intoAudible and I started going
(32:09):
through all the books that Iread and a lot of them I don't
remember because I didn't.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Take time to digest them.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I didn't take time to digest.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
And you were probably habit stacking you.
I didn't take time to digestthem.
I didn't take time to digestand you were probably habit
stacking.
You're like I'm going to listento this while I'm doing dishes
Correct, and then you weren'ttaking notes.
And there is a lot ofneuroscientists that say there's
no such thing as multitasking,which I love to multitask, but
they believe that because youcan only do a certain amount of
tasks.
Well, really, one task at atime is how to execute.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I agree, and here's what I'll say about that is the
more tasks that I'm doing, themore in my head I am right, the
less in the heart I am, whichreminds me of a Sue proverb that
says the longest journey youwill ever take is from your head
to your heart.
Journey you will ever take isfrom your head to your heart.
(33:04):
Now, when I can do one thing ata time and put my heart into it
, that's going to be spectacular.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yes, coherence is really an under-taught thing.
Getting your mind and yourheart to be in coherence
together is super powerful.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Well, extrapolate just a little bit on the
coherence together is superpowerful.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Well, extrapolate just a little bit on the
coherence.
Well, how I talk aboutcoherence is that our heart is
just an organ the same as ourbrain, is just an organ.
Our heart was first.
It was made first, right.
So just scientifically speaking, our heart came first.
Okay, it was made first, right.
(33:44):
So just scientifically speaking, our heart came first.
Okay, and so the heart has to.
The heart can outlive the brain, meaning many people can live
and they'll, they're brain dead.
Right, but the brain can't livewithout the heart, correct,
because the heart comes first.
And so when people say like,follow your heart, it's because
your heart has to lead allthings, because your heart is
(34:04):
not afraid, your heart doesn'twant to keep you in your safety
zone, your heart is not mad.
When people say that you have abroken heart, it's because
you're thinking of a memory or athing that makes your heart
feel the emotions.
Your heart is like your masterorgan.
(34:26):
It has its own brain and it hasits own purpose.
And it's really what's connectedto your soul.
So when your brain and yourheart are in alignment, you are
unstoppable, because your braincan be powerful, but it can work
as a tool against you or foryou, and it's just an organ.
So that's how I like to thinkof coherence is that when they
(34:49):
work together, unstoppable.
But oftentimes what's happeningis they're working against each
other.
Like you know, if you get intoyour head and you then become
depressed, if you get into yourhead and you then become
depressed, your heart is likely.
It's likely because ofnon-movement, your heart is not
pumping.
If you get into your head andyou know you're anxious.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
It's because you are thinking of the future and
possibly, what's happening withyour heart is that you aren't
taking a deep breath and,furthermore, right.
Furthermore, the term is embody.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Right.
So usually, when you talk aboutyour body, you're talking about
your torso, which is where yourheart lives.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
It's where all of your major organs, aside from
your brain, we're not talkingabout in mind.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Right, we're not talking about in ego, we're not
talking about in mental, we'retalking about if you want to
actually assimilate it into yourlife, you have to bring it into
your body, you have to bring itinto your heart.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Yeah, Mind, body and spirit is what a lot of people
say, and you need to focus onyour body first and then the
rest will follow suit.
Like when you go for a walk,your mind clears for a reason
because it's following yourheart.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
So, going back to you know, don't over consume
information.
You got to stop trying to learnmore and start trying to live
more of what you already know.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Exactly.
Apply what you already know.
The challenge would be for theEmpowered Posse this week is to
embody one thing that you havelearned from the Empowerment
Couple podcast.
One thing, whether it'smovement medicine or it's
laughter medicine, like take oneof our medicine episodes and
(36:32):
imply it, like and apply it, notimply and apply it.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
We are implying that you need to Employ it, you can.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Employ it, you can employ it but embody it.
So, like you know, we have oneabout hugging, we have one about
skin to skin, like basically,take something that you have
learned from us and embody itand do it for 30 to 60 days.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
And you apply it.
By what A habit?
Speaker 3 (36:58):
A habit, embody anything that you have learned.
That is positive, that you know.
You're like oh, that's thelinchpin that's going to unlock
me, because we all have them.
We all have these keys, theselocks, and we all have these
keys that we know.
Usually, you know, you know theanswer of what's missing, like,
oh, I'm not moving enough or oh, I'm complaining too much.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Whatever the thing is , you have officially become
comfortable with beinguncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Exactly so.
For example, like in our Holdthe Vibe course, I talk a lot
about thoughts, you know, andmindset, and you know thinking,
and a lot of times manifestationcoaches are teaching only about
like one part of the universallaws.
You know, like the law ofattraction.
Oh, if you think good thoughtsand it's not just thinking good
(37:48):
thoughts manifesting, if you'rethinking good thoughts and your
body is feeling like shit, youare not going to manifest
anything because you have toembody those good feeling
thoughts, those good feeling.
If they're not producing afeeling, if you're not
envisioning them as if they arereal and you're not creating
(38:09):
coherence or you know, like wewere just talking about, but if
you aren't creating energy inyour body, that's a match to
what you're looking for, likethe outcome that you are seeking
, that's a match to what you'relooking for, like the outcome
that you are seeking, if yournervous system is all tight
because it's like, oh gosh, Igot to have the thing, whatever,
(38:33):
like I need to get anotherclient, or whatever you're
manifesting, whatever you'reworking on.
If your body is constantlyfeeling the lack, or if you're
manifesting a partner and you'reconstantly feeling in your body
lonely, like the lack of touchand the lack of, you know, just
the warmth of a person near youor the energy of like having
that partner.
If you're feeling that in yournervous system you are not a
(38:55):
match, because your body is aninstrument, correct, and your
body is going to resonate withhowever it's being played as an
instrument, as an instrumentCorrect and your body is going
to resonate with however it'sbeing played as an instrument.
As an instrument, and so you'reeither going to be in harmony or
disharmony or discord, withwhatever you're looking to
attract, whatever you're lookingto be a match for.
So your alignment won't work ifyou aren't an embodiment of
(39:17):
that.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
That is correct.
It's the same thing as sayingyou become a match of what you
want.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
You have to marry the good thinking with the
(39:47):
embodiment, and then you know,apply some action, take inspired
action and you know and thenallow, and a lot of people make
it super complex.
Most things that you want tolearn, that you want to master,
are very simple, but the reasonwhy people don't master them is
because they don't embody them.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
And I agree with you they just learn, learn, learn,
learn, learn.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Get all these certifications and then they're
never a master of anythingbecause they're looking
everywhere outside instead oflooking inside of like.
Okay, it's time to put thisinto practice.
It's a difference betweeninformation and transformation.
The difference isimplementation.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Okay, yes, that is correct.
I love that.
Say that one more time.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
The difference between information and
transformation is implementation, that's it.
That's implementation, that'sit.
That's it.
That's it.
That's the sauce.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
So nothing makes it into your life until you put it
there.
Implementation you have toimplement, you got to put it on
your plate.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
It's spelled differently, but it is
implementation Spelled with an I.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
That is correct.
It's spelled with an I becauseit has a P in front of it.
That's another weird littlegrammar thing.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Whatever, and let me just tell you this Knowledge is
the spark, embodiment is theflame.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Is the freaking flame , motherfucking, flame.
Flame it up honey.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Alright, we're burning it all down Phoenix
energy.
Mm-hmm.
Let's learn one more time andembody it.
This time you got to do alittle body roll.
When you do it, embody it.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
That's nice, you like it, that's nice, that's nice.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
We'll have to do it real.
I have a request for youEmpowered Posse.
Okay, what I would like is takea screen grab of this episode,
tag us on social and tell uswhat you learned about
embodiment, or tell us what youare going to embody for the next
(41:57):
30, 60 days.
You set the time frame.
You know you.
You know how long it takes youto create a habit.
Habits, there we go, I can tellyou about science.
Science says 21 days, otherscientists say 60.
You decide how long you want tocommit to putting this into
practice and embody somethingpositive that's going to empower
you to be your best self.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
And don't forget the benefit of baby steps.
Yes, this process doesn't haveto be your best self.
And don't forget the benefit ofbaby steps yes, this process
doesn't have to be overwhelming.
It can be beautiful every stepof the way.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
And it doesn't have to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
It just has to be.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
You just have to embody it, just embody it.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
You can take a baby step as long as you're taking a
step.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Okay, kisses, sending you the highest vibrations.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
You are held.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
You are loved when.
Mikey gets going.
He embodies when he gets goingwith his laughter.
He embodies like an old sailorOne eye closes oh I'm.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Popeye, you turn into Popeye, you turn into Popeye.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
And then you like laugh like a Popeye sailor, but
then you have like all of thisflim that comes from like the
depths of Soros or whateverDepths of Soros.
Soros, soros, soros.
What are you talking about?
I was trying to nerd with youSoros, soros.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Soros.
What's Soros, soron?
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Oh Soron, oh my God.
People probably think thatwe're like high If you're going
to nerd honey, if you're goingto nerd, you've got to nerd.
I can't nerd at your level.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
You've got to do your research.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
People already know I can't nerd at your level.
Okay've got to do your research.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Anyways, people already know I can't nerd at
your level.
Okay, that is correct, that iscorrect.
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