March 9, 2023 • 32 mins
In this episode the BROTHERS talk about Chris Rock's new comedy special that finally deals with Will Smith's slap last year at the Oscars that was heard round the world. Next they discuss Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's latest venture on podcasts promoting his best selling book and being invited to King Charles' coronation. Then finally Larry and Thomas chat about the continuing saga of the theft of Lady Gaga's french bulldogs. She offered a reward for the dog's safe return. Jennifer McBride claims Lady Gaga owes her $500000 for returning her stolen dogs even though it has been revealed that McBride was involved in the dogknapping.
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You know what I love about whatwe do is that we deal with stories
with a lot of emotion. Yes, they're about the law and nest or
about public relations, but the beststories have a lot of emotion pulsing through
them. And we have almost abiblical lineup of stories. You always start
with just a great intro. We'vegot revenge. Yes, We've got hutzpah,
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yes we do. We've got familialanger, m we know, resentment
of the child, yes, angerfrom the father, Shakespearean degrees of fury.
Totally, we really have it all. We do. Ladies and gentlemen
from Times Square in New York,we are once again the Entertainment Brothers.
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And now the Entertainment Brothers. Here'sLarry Hackett and Thomas Valentino. All right,
let us begin with what might bethe most delicious story of the week,
and it involves the recently unveiled comedyspecial on Netflix. We have learned
that revenge is a dish best servedon a Saturday night comedy special on Netflix.
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And that's thanks to Chris Rock,whose new show titled Selective Outrage,
debuted on Saturday. He was alive taping of a show in Baltimore,
I believe, and in it hemakes the first public or at least the
first national comments about the famous slapheard around the world from last year's Oscars.
Let me just say, as someonewho's been a student of PR and
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the use of communications, this isa genius move. It came out the
week before the upcoming Oscars, andyou know it's telling you and I have
talked about the Oscars over the pastseveral months and about how any opportunity to
get better and to increase ratings andbecome kind of integral again in the culture
they seemed to pass up. Watchingthis specialty of the night, I thought
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to myself, I know it wasprobably incomment upon them to ban Will Smith
very dramatically for ten years and notallow him to come. From a PR
standpoint, yes, not having WillSmith at the Oscars was a terrible mistake.
Right they should have hadibly, Yeacauseif you were watching the Chris Rock
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special on Saturday night, Yeah,and then thought about the slap and knew
that Will Smith was going to dowhat Oscar winners always do, which is
that the ones who won the yearbefore come the next year to give him
an award. Good point, right, Yeah, and just the amount of
controversy and who ha that would havebeen involved. Yeah, you know the
opportunity of this year's host, JimmyKimmel to make fun of Will Smith while
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Will Smith sat there and laughed andhad to kind of bite his tongue knowing
that he couldn't get up and doanything about it, would have made at
least some people tune into the Oscarsanyway. Putting aside, Chris Rock at
least took advantage of the calendar anddropped this show. We don't need to
talk about you know, we makewe make a special here of not talking
about the record, the movie,the book, whatever. We leave that
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to others. We did that tothe critics who want to chew about the
product. We're not going to divergefrom that too much except to say the
use of stand up comedy was notsomething that I thought would be a particularly
sharp weapon when it came to takingsomeone down. Boy was I wrong.
It is savage. It's obviously onlyhis side of the story. It is
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shocking to some degree. Most importantly, it's really effing funny. Yeah,
and I think it's a total publicrelations triumph. What do you think?
Well, I think that he wassmart. Right. We all knew that
he was waiting and that he wasgoing to come out and say something,
and he probably was going to sayit, and it couldn't job. He
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had to do something that's Chris Rock, right, anybody. Yeah, Well,
but if Jerry Seinfeld got slapped,he'd have made a joke about it,
but it wouldn't have been as goodas Chris Rock, because some of
Chris Rock, his whole thing thereis like this undertone of anger and you
know what the f kind of thing, right, So the fact, you
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know, yeah, yeah, Seinfeldmight have made it funny, but come
on, not like Chris Rock.So Chris just really used it as an
opportunity, as a good comedian does, because you're always looking for material,
even if it's based on unpleasant circumstances. And so he took this material and
really made it funny and also provocativeand also expressed his anger and in fact
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ended the show with it by slammingthe micdown, which I thought was I
thought that was the best ending toa comedy show that I've ever seen.
It's number one on my top ten. I thought, to your point,
he wove in his own style,his own, which is we had been
consistent throughout his career that degree ofanger and observation, very black centric,
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which is I think what you're talkingabout the last line we won't give it
Away is very much about that.Yeah, and about the violation that Will
Smith had committed. And it's funny, and it's funny. It's just I
thought it's a really really interesting thing. Let's do a little experiment here.
Yeah, Chris Walker's victorious. Hewaited a year. We all wanted to
hear what he had to say.It was obviously very well honed. He
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didn't do it off the cuff.I mean obviously every the great comic performers
all looked like the jokes are justkind of coming to them as we're talking.
But of course this was so youknow, you can imagine how much
it was his workshopped and honed andtweaked and just made perfect. Yeah,
to the point where I was lookingaround for a teleprompter monitor or something,
right that I really was. Hedid muff one joke, he did,
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and he said it. He didsay yeah. But we do know that
in the intervening year he has beentrying out a lot of these lines at
small clubs around the country. Soit's not exactly this is all a revelation,
but to see it all in onepiece on a Netflix special is in
fact new. Right. If you'reWill Smith, what do you do?
I don't think you do anything rightnow? He made an apology, right,
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The apology to me wasn't. Idon't know. I don't want to
say it wasn't an apology. Inother words, when you apologize, it's
more about the feeling that you conveythan the words you could be saying.
I apologize. But people know ifyou're sincere, If you give someone in
a sincere apology, they usually detectthat and respond in a positive way.
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He went on and did this thingthat was sort of an apology, but
it was very fixed. Okay,if you're asking me, Will Smith.
And so I think at this pointhe's done what he has to do,
and I would just kind of sitand not do anything for a while.
I think a couple of things happen, and some of them might be paradoxical.
Obviously, the takedown was savage inmany ways. The things he says
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on the comedy special were way worsethan he was going during the Oscar commentary,
I mean in the oscars he wasmaking fun of Jada Pinkett's hair.
He says that a lot more stuffabout Jada Pinkett and this special us right
that you would think if the situationwas the same, it would have been
more than a slap from Will Smith. Been a lot of other things,
and he humiliates Will Smith quite franklyfor his behavior involving his wife and his
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wife's extra marital affair at the sametime because it's funny. I think he
gives Smith an out. I thinkSmith, if he's ever asked at,
you know, the next press conferencefor the next junkin, for the next
movie that he's doing, he canmake light of it because it's now been
recast. Right in the months,in the days and weeks after the slab,
there was nothing funny about it,correct, right, and nobody could
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laugh about it. It was downto Chris Rock to then determine how are
we going to see this thing.It's now been rendered funny and everyone can
kind of laugh it off, andI think it would behoove Will Smith to
laugh it off. He's been giventhe opportunity. So what might have been
an uncomfortable question at a press conferencesix months ago before, when it was
still a serious topic and he hadto kind of apologize and grope for some
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kind of you know, soft landing. Now he's been ridiculed and he can
laugh at it, and I thinkit weirdly makes it easier for him.
You bring out a great point.That's a great point, right, and
it will be fascinating to see ifand when and he will be asked about
it, right, it's inevitable.Yeah, unless he never goes on a
talk show again, right right,right, if he or if he goes
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on a talk show and says,you're not allowed to ask me this question,
you know. But the point isthat it will be interesting to see
if he's asked, if he justsort of now continues it in a lighthearted
way as you're suggesting, which youalso bring out a good point of you
know, rock and a way openedthe door, well exactly. Yeah.
It also lets kind of Will Smithreset himself, right, yes, because
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up until that slap, Yes,he was the last guy you thought would
do something like that. He wasalways a kind of like easygoing guy for
the most part. Will Smith,well, his persona, I never felt
that it didn't surprise me when hedid what he did. I don't really
see his persona as an easygoing guy. I see it more as someone who's
pretty intense, interesting and controlling andboundary oriented and very proud. Okay,
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yeah, very proud. We maydiffer a little bit on yeah, but
that's not the germain set that.The germain piece is that you don't want
to be going forward. I meanyou mentioned, for example this, you
know, some edicts being issued tosome talk show host or a journalist at
a junk You can't ask about thisif that happens. Yeah. First of
all, it never works, right, and everybody finds out, everybody finds
out that you have this edict thatyou're not going to answer this question.
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Right. The biggest danger that WillSmith has going forward is being humorless.
Yeah, yes, right, greatpoint. He has been great point,
the opportunity to make fun of this, I agree, put a smile on
his face, absolutely, and heshould thank Chris Rock yeah for the public
adviceration. I agree. I meanthe way you're bringing out a great point
here, right, because it's we'reall wondering how is this going to be
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dealt with? We were wondering whenRock was going to come out and say
something. And he did. Andnow it's like you brought out a great
point in one way. He openedthe door. So now let's see what
happens. I suppose he comes outtwo or three times, sort of his
lighthearted about it, and Rock doesn'trespond. Then it gets a little more
interesting. But we'll see, right, So I think in some ways then
this may be naive. On marparte. We may be reaching the end
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of this, right, a coupleof more beats to go. Yeah,
but that may be it. Okay, you don't have to wonder. I
was watching Prince Harry to the dayand television, and I thought, would
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Shakespeare be able to weave in atrauma podcast if he was writing his plays
these days. Yes, I thinkhe would. I think he might too.
Yeah, I mean, I know, drafty castles, you know,
on various fields and Scotland and thingslike that. He could probably figure out
how to have a Netflix special.He had all the elements still real emotion.
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And we may say, you know, Shakespeare obviously is know arguably the
greatest words ever written in the Englishlanguage. I don't think that's being uttered
on these trauma podcasts. Prince Harry'spearing on. Nevertheless, the reason Shakespeare
wrote about the Royals is the reasonwe care about the Rows. There's something
about them that is fascinating. Whetherit's the exhibition of real or in this
case, kind of causeplay power,or just the soap operas of families who
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seem to have everything but still can'tmanage to find happiness. These are all
pretty eternal themes. Anyways, PrinceHarry is still talking about his family,
is still talking about his trauma,now talking about the hallucinogens that he's taken,
and clearly trying to draw contrasts inhis parenting to the way he was
raised. None of this is newor frankly that interesting. What I find
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interesting is the obsession that the mediahas with this. In the time since
the Netflix documentary series that came outand the emergence of the book, Harry
has become a bona fide star.We all thought this was going to be
really about Megan Markle, right,she was the focus of all the attacks
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in the British pres point. Heseemed to be the guy kind of going
alongside of her. She was beingrecast as in Diana want to be blah
blah blah blah, blah being villainizedand all those kinds of things, but
it was about her. Yeah,I think a star has been born when
it comes to Harry. And we'vetalked a little bit about this in the
past. The reason I bring itup now is that on Saturday or Sunday,
when this news of this podcast appearedeight Obscure podcast in the UK,
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there were five separate stories on thehomepage of The New York Post at least
as many, if not more,on the homepage of the Daily Mail.
The Daily Mail thoughtfully has added littletabs on the top of the page so
you can go right to the PrinceHarry or Megan. The point is nice.
These people may be cynical, butthey're not fools, right, and
they know these stories sell, right, and it gives them an opportunity kind
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of rant and rave and go ononce again attacking Prince Harry. But the
readers love it and love reading aboutit. He sold, you know,
well over a million copies of hisbook in the opening days. Right,
This guy, you know, haskind of pushed his wife I think,
out of the way for the timebeing. And he's the one that we
like for all the obvious reasons.Right. He looks like a guy you'd
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want to go have a beer with, you know, for a certain sector
of the public, he speaks intotal woke ease. And I'm not trying
to be cynical about it, butI mean he's very sensitive and in touch
yea. And this is you know, cat nip to all manner of podcasts
and women talk shows and things likethat. And lastly, his name begins
with the word prince, right,so you know he's got it all there.
I think he might assu you havea future too after this whole thing
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with the car Nation ends. Sohe's been invited. We don't know what's
going to happen, if they're gonnago or not. I don't know how
long you know the RSVAP date,you know, we'd have to rs VP
buy like you know, at thelast minute, or do you have to
declare at a certain time. Anyway, I'm looking at this less as interested
in the facts of these stories,but in the kind of public relations power
that I think he's being granted.And despite all the attacks in the British
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press, people don't read stories aboutpeople they hate. They really don't.
I mean, I can tell youthat, right now I think they do,
but they don't. Villains obviously areattractive to some degree, but as
someone who edited a magazine, theydon't sell. People who you like sell
So anyway, Well, you bringout a good point that he sort of
become the star. That's right,okay, but he wrote a book.
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Part of the book is Hey,the deal? How much did he get?
Did he get ten million or somethinglike more than that? So,
hey, Harry, guess what youhave to recoup this money? Right?
I mean, you don't have to, but we just gave you a twenty
million dollar advance. And I'm surepart of the understanding was that some of
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this was mapped out. Okay,so you're gonna go on these podcasts and
you know, say that you're thevictim, and you're going to go on
and do these different things and saythese different things. And that he's done
because he has to to support thebook and to make the money back.
Now the other side of it hashe really has sort of consumed the public
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and now he's sort of become moreout front than her. The question is
if she likes that or not,because she seems to not really favor people
who get more attention than her,But for right now it seems to be
working out. Okay. The otherthing is this is about a father and
a son. Am I missing somethinghere? At the end of the day.
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That's what I really think this isabout. It's about you know,
they have to figure this out,and the son, being young, is
going to sit there and say it'smy dad's responsibility. Okay, and those
of us that have raised children wouldsay, okay, yeah, and I'm
it seems to me like Prince Charlesmay have reached out a few times and
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he's trying to do what a dadwould do, and the sun is still
angry. And then the sun issaying, I'm not showing up, So
what's your over under run him showingup or not? Um, I think
he's showing up either too. Yeah, oh that wasn't I know? I
was because I think that's not exciting. Here's why, And it's to be
a fool. Not are you gonnago that far not to show up?
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All right? Because here's the thing. Enough's enough At a certain point.
It is about power. And doyou think let me ask you a question?
Because I was love asking you questionsto get your input, right.
I mean, they could shut himdown in the US. There may be
a few people in Harry's corner,but you know, do you really want
to have your father proactively coming afteryou to shut you down in the US?
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I think it could be done.What do you mean my shutdown?
Um? You know, enough's enough. Like you're not gonna get the same
kind of free pass that you've gottenso far, because the father does have
friends in this country and he hasn'tactivated those relationships to say I want you
to hurt my son. Well,here's what's interesting, I think, and
it's along the lines of what you'retalking about. I know about this stuff.
The British press has tried and againHarry has made the allegation that the
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British press in Cahots, with Camillaand other people in the royal family have
tried to trash Megan and Harry andhave written terrible stories about him. The
question is how effective have those effortsbeen. I would suggest to you that
the sales of these books and thecontracts being given to him, and the
popularity that he has would suggest theefforts are not very successful. People will
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decide what they want to hear,and the British press is not going to
tell them what they ought to thinkabout Prince Harry. However, Harry still
needs to put every foot right,and if he doesn't, the public might
decide. I don't care what theBritish press are telling me about you.
You not going to your father's carnation after he invited you is pretty shabby,
right, correct? So I thinkyou're right. I don't think.
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I think he has proven relatively imperviousto the attacks upon him by the British
press. But if he does somethingdumb British press or no British press,
people say that's not cool. Yourfather invited you, and all the chatter
that always accompanies this question, it'slike, well, it'll cause all kinds
of distraction to the carnation. Giveme an effing break, right. They
know it's not like he's done evenwalking around in the middle of Mayfair,
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you know, with people behind him. Right, he shows up in his
uniform at the event. You knowthe TV cameras taken account of this,
there's all. You know, somelip reader will be hired by the Daily
Mail to figure out what he saidto his brother. The usual bs right,
and that's fine, right, andhis father will get crowned and he'll
actually attract more viewers to the thingthan if he didn't. If he doesn't
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show, the deafening chatter on everysingle television station will be where's Harry.
Where's Harry? Where's Harry? Imean somebody. If if I were doing
this, I'd have a split screenof his house at Montecito where he maybe
or the playground in Santa Barbara wherehe's taking his kids on the swing while
his father's getting crowned. Okay,So the other part of this right again,
father and son relationships and family dynamics. People know me closely. No,
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I have a lot of history andsome expertise in this area. Right.
So, I don't know how yousit there and tell your kids,
who were young, we're not goingto this because we have a beef with
your grandfather. Right. Kids don'tprocess like that. They're looking at everybody
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over there saying, wait a minute, this is a big event, daddy.
Why are you not there? Right? That's number one Number two,
Harry. I'm just giving you someadvice here. Someday, the same way
you're having it out with your dad, your kids are going to have it
out with you. And then atthat point you may realize, Oh,
man, I didn't go to thecoronation. I made a mistake. You
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don't want to be in that position. Ever, I agree, I agree.
Ever, I think he goes mhmm, go, yeah, I
think so do what you gotta do. All right. The last thing we're
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talking about, we're going from royalsto like, I can't make any American
royal. I can't make a bigenough to cran trend. Come on,
yes, this is America. Okay, we're going from Hanry's mother was Lady
Diana. We're not going to LadyGaga. Yeah, it's kind of shadow
Bucks. But this is a fascinatingstory and it goes to you. You
and I just said a very impassionedconversation about the notions and about people's own
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sense of what's right and what's wrong. Yes, so this story is fascinating.
Yeah, it really is. Solast year Lady Gaga's dog walker was
out with her three or four dogs, I can't recall exactly, and he
was confronted by thieves. He wasshot, yes, and seriously wounded.
And two of the dogs, Ithink there was three. Two of the
dogs were stolen, correct French bulldogs, yes, which as an asside have
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been the subject of other thefts andfrankly other crimes. And ye, people
stealing French bulldogs because they're very rareand they're very expensive. Yeah, So
her dogwalker was shot and seriously wounded, and the dogs were returned several days
later. Turns out that the womanwho returned the dogs was periftly involved with
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the thieves who had stolen the dogs. At least two men have gone to
prison for this, one guy beingcharged with attempted murder and is doing decades
in correct and another guy who Ithink is still awaiting sentencing. Right,
But Jennifer McBride, yes, wassomeone involved with these thieves. She was
charged with several kind of accessory chargesand pled guilty to at least one criminal
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charge stemming from her involvement with theseguys. She didn't do any of the
shooting, she wasn't charged with attemptedmurder, but she was charged as being
an accept sery. She's the womanwho returned the dogs. Now we don't
know what the conversations went on on. One imagines that she turned that she
got the dogs, read the papers. You know what happened, Yeah,
got scared and returned the dogs.Right, she returned the dogs after Lady
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Gaga had made a reward offer forhalf a million dollars for the return of
her dogs. No questions asked,Okay, McBride despite pleading guilty to a
crime of having been involved in thistheft. Yeah, now wants her half
a million dollars because she had returnedthe dogs. Why no questions as,
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Huh, what do you think ofthat? I think it takes in and
I think there's a lot of hoots, bubby and flying around. On the
other hand, if I'd look atthe narrow interpretation of what was being offered
by Gaga, you gotta wonder maybeshe needs to cough up the dough to
McBride, even though McBride was involvedin the theft of her dogs. First
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of all, all right, let'stalk about that, because I can jump
all around on this, right.But if you want your dogs back and
you say bring my dogs back,and I'm going to ask you a couple
of questions, well you're never goingto get your dogs back, right.
So part of that is saying isto be smart and say, hey,
no questions asked. Okay. Nowwith that in mind, there's something and
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I was saying this to you earlier. You learn in law school it's called
a unilateral contract, meaning one wayokay. So this offer goes out,
no questions asked. The woman comesforward and says, here's your dogs,
I want my money. That's essentiallywhat's going on. But as we all
know from Professor Valentino in law,where there's a rule, there's always an
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exception to the rule, okay,And the exception in this case is guess
what. You can't claim a rewardif you were involved in criminal activity.
That was the reason for the personbeing deprived of their original property to begin
with. And that's exactly what youhave here, the dogs. I believe
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that McBride was either living with,or dating or somehow involved with one or
two of the people who committed theactual crime. That's correct. So you're
coming. The law has an expressionyou have to have clean hands when you're
asking for a remedy. You can'twalk into court and say, my hands
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are bloody, give me the money, right, your hands have to be
clean. So if this was alegitimate case and she wasn't involved in this
semi alleged criminal activity, then shemight have a better case to say,
I want the five hundred thousand dollarsokay. Now on a legal front,
to take it a step further,these are the cases that the first day
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of law school when you're sitting inContracts one oh one with Professor Freedman,
very first day, and you haveno idea what's going on, and you're
shaking, right, and they saythe word consideration and they say the word
offer. And this is exactly thekind of case you get where someone in
the eighteen hundreds puts an offer inthe window and then someone responds, and
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then there's a dispute and they goto court about well is this enforceable or
not? Okay, And even ifthe woman who brought the dogs back was
not guilty or allegedly guilty of criminalbehavior, Gaga has an argument to say
that my offer wasn't specific enough.It was very general. And it has
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been held by certain courts and certainjurisdictions in certain times that if the offer
is not specific enough, that itcould be called something that we know as
illusory puff wow, right puff,it doesn't exist because it's not specific enough.
So you're really getting into the finepoints of law here. But that's
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what I have. The set Iget it. I get it. And
again you know that the law operatesin this realm, and oftentimes that realm
is not really related to reality andsort of human nature. Again, the
nerve of someone to say, giveme the money, even though I was
involved in the receipt of your stolendogs and may have known more than I'm
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comping to about how I got thesedogs and where they came from. I
don't know. If you use thewords no questions asked, you're not looking
to appeal to the stranger out therewho happened to find your dog walking around,
right, You're appealing to someone whoyou know implicitly was involved. That's
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the whole reason you say no questionsasked, because all I want is my
dogs back. Good point, ifyou stolen my I don't care that you
because because in brackets, an invisibleink next to it is like, I
don't care if you stole my dogs, just bring them back, right And
in fact, if you bring themback, I'll give you a half a
million dollars. Right. It's likea ransom. Okay, it is a
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ransom, okay, right, Imean it seems to me. Then,
okay, let's let's go to thestreet. Okay, because you know,
I'd rather work in the courtroom thing. Okay, let's work. Let's let
you're you like the street, Let'sgo in the street. You're loosening your
tie. Yeah, and you're inthis oh yeah, no, because I
know. I mean, look thatyour lady Gaga, what else are you
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going to say to get your dogsback? If you if you put out
a nice offer, this woman maynot come forward. Okay, So she
does come forward, and now Gagasays, sue me, I'm not gonna
pay you. So now let's goback to the courtroom. Right. And
if I know Lady Gaga the wayI do, and I don't know her
real well, but I kind ofknow people on the periphery of her life
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right from New York City, right, I mean, she made her bones
on the Lower East Side. Areyou saying forget about it? I'm saying
forget about it. They're gonna cometo her and she's gonna say forget about
it. And if you want togo to court, I have billions and
I'm gonna bury you. And oh, by the way, do you really
want to be on the bad side. You're already involved in criminal semi criminal
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activity. Now do you also wantto go there? And I think it's
it's pretty safe, it's pretty safeto say that public sentiment will be on
the side of Gaga. Yeah.I mean, remember, this guy was
shot right by one of these assailants. Correct, four different guys. One
guy's in jail for twenty one years. One guy's in jail for like a
dozen. I mean, Chris,I almost died, right. You know,
anything involving French bulldogs had been priorto this kind of funny, but
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now it's not. It's a serioussort of thing. Look, I'm doing
this in part as a kind ofyou know, comment, but I would
kind of like exercise. Let meask you this. In the moment of
her agony and distress and despair overher dogs being stolen, if you,
as her attorney, we're working forher, and she said I'm going to
put out a ransom reward, Yeah, would you have advocated the kind of
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language that she used, Yes,I would absolutely, one hundred percent.
And if someone yes, absolutely,And if someone came forward with clean hands,
okay, clean hands, which I'mnot really sure how you can come
forward with clean hands, but you'regoing to say their answer clean because you
know what. You're not asking anyquestions. No, no, no,
But here's the thing. Right,if you're just finding these dogs and Santa
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Monica in a park somewhere and thenyou come and say I'm claiming my reward,
then yes, you deserve it.And I would be the first one
to say to her you should paythis. But this is someone who is
involved in the theft of her dogs. Now you're not directly, but indirectly,
and you're saying, well, sheshould have known that. Well maybe
maybe not, right, you don'tknow. It could have been that someone
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you know, put the dog somewhereand they came back and there wasn't any
kind of alleged criminal activity, right, So I would one hundred percent.
And she's smart, Okay, she'svery smart. This is exactly what you
do when you want to get backwhat you want to get back. And
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if the person was legitimate who broughther the dogs, I'll bet you that
Gaga would have forked over the moneyin five seconds. Okay, But it
was smart. First of all,it's five hundred thousand, okay. And
secondly, it's no questions asked.If it goes to court on a purely
legal argument, Gaga wins, andthe and the woman gets nothing, and
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she and she's gonna have to payGaga's attorney fees as well, right,
mark my words. Wow, dothey settle? You know, I don't
know if this settles, because mostpeople will be like settle, settle,
settle. I think Gaga again,you don't think she'll give her ten grand
and make her go away. Shemay not, she may not. I
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don't think this is going to settle. I think Gaga would rather spend all
the money just to give this womana hard time. So you're saying that
Gaga is I know I would ifit were my dogs, all bark and
all by. That's what I'm saying. Broke hack it, That's what I'm
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saying. Well, this dog isgoing to keep barking until this story is
done. We don't know when that'sgoing to be, but we will let
you know. Again, we havedogs, princes and comedians. Yes in
this week's episode. Yeah good stuff. Yeah I don't agree. I mean
again, all very kind of emotionalstories really based on sort of fundamental human
feelings about family, about revenge,about being wronged, about the notions of
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right and wrong. When it comesto this thing and the contract with the
dogs. Yeah, of course dogslove for the dogs. Yeah I understand
that. Yeah, I mean Iknow how I feel fit with my dog.
So from Dogs to Thomas, weup. Tell your friends about us,
continue to listen well used to.We will be back with a full
docket next week. Yeah, onceagain from Times Square. We are and
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have been and will continue to beabsolutely Deanter timmer Brook. Thanks everybody,
You know what I love about whatwe do is that we deal with stories
with a lot of emotion. Yes, they're about the law and nest or
about public relations, but the beststories have a lot of emotion pulsing through
them. And we have almost abiblical lineup of stories. You always start
with just a great intro. We'vegot revenge. Yes, We've got hutzpah,
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yes we do. We've got familialanger, m we know, resentment
of the child, yes, angerfrom the father, Shakespearean degrees of fury.
Totally, we really have it all. We do. Ladies and gentlemen
from Times Square in New York,we are once again the Entertainment Brothers.
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And now the Entertainment Brothers. Here'sLarry Hackett and Thomas Valentino. All right,
let us begin with what might bethe most delicious story of the week,
and it involves the recently unveiled comedyspecial on Netflix. We have learned
that revenge is a dish best servedon a Saturday night comedy special on Netflix.
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And that's thanks to Chris Rock,whose new show titled Selective Outrage,
debuted on Saturday. He was alive taping of a show in Baltimore,
I believe, and in it hemakes the first public or at least the
first national comments about the famous slapheard around the world from last year's Oscars.
Let me just say, as someonewho's been a student of PR and
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the use of communications, this isa genius move. It came out the
week before the upcoming Oscars, andyou know it's telling you and I have
talked about the Oscars over the pastseveral months and about how any opportunity to
get better and to increase ratings andbecome kind of integral again in the culture
they seemed to pass up. Watchingthis specialty of the night, I thought
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to myself, I know it wasprobably incomment upon them to ban Will Smith
very dramatically for ten years and notallow him to come. From a PR
standpoint, yes, not having WillSmith at the Oscars was a terrible mistake.
Right they should have hadibly, Yeacauseif you were watching the Chris Rock
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special on Saturday night, Yeah,and then thought about the slap and knew
that Will Smith was going to dowhat Oscar winners always do, which is
that the ones who won the yearbefore come the next year to give him
an award. Good point, right, Yeah, and just the amount of
controversy and who ha that would havebeen involved. Yeah, you know the
opportunity of this year's host, JimmyKimmel to make fun of Will Smith while
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Will Smith sat there and laughed andhad to kind of bite his tongue knowing
that he couldn't get up and doanything about it, would have made at
least some people tune into the Oscarsanyway. Putting aside, Chris Rock at
least took advantage of the calendar anddropped this show. We don't need to
talk about you know, we makewe make a special here of not talking
about the record, the movie,the book, whatever. We leave that
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to others. We did that tothe critics who want to chew about the
product. We're not going to divergefrom that too much except to say the
use of stand up comedy was notsomething that I thought would be a particularly
sharp weapon when it came to takingsomeone down. Boy was I wrong.
It is savage. It's obviously onlyhis side of the story. It is
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shocking to some degree. Most importantly, it's really effing funny. Yeah,
and I think it's a total publicrelations triumph. What do you think?
Well, I think that he wassmart. Right. We all knew that
he was waiting and that he wasgoing to come out and say something,
and he probably was going to sayit, and it couldn't job. He
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had to do something that's Chris Rock, right, anybody. Yeah, Well,
but if Jerry Seinfeld got slapped,he'd have made a joke about it,
but it wouldn't have been as goodas Chris Rock, because some of
Chris Rock, his whole thing thereis like this undertone of anger and you
know what the f kind of thing, right, So the fact, you
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know, yeah, yeah, Seinfeldmight have made it funny, but come
on, not like Chris Rock.So Chris just really used it as an
opportunity, as a good comedian does, because you're always looking for material,
even if it's based on unpleasant circumstances. And so he took this material and
really made it funny and also provocativeand also expressed his anger and in fact
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ended the show with it by slammingthe micdown, which I thought was I
thought that was the best ending toa comedy show that I've ever seen.
It's number one on my top ten. I thought, to your point,
he wove in his own style,his own, which is we had been
consistent throughout his career that degree ofanger and observation, very black centric,
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which is I think what you're talkingabout the last line we won't give it
Away is very much about that.Yeah, and about the violation that Will
Smith had committed. And it's funny, and it's funny. It's just I
thought it's a really really interesting thing. Let's do a little experiment here.
Yeah, Chris Walker's victorious. Hewaited a year. We all wanted to
hear what he had to say.It was obviously very well honed. He
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didn't do it off the cuff.I mean obviously every the great comic performers
all looked like the jokes are justkind of coming to them as we're talking.
But of course this was so youknow, you can imagine how much
it was his workshopped and honed andtweaked and just made perfect. Yeah,
to the point where I was lookingaround for a teleprompter monitor or something,
right that I really was. Hedid muff one joke, he did,
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and he said it. He didsay yeah. But we do know that
in the intervening year he has beentrying out a lot of these lines at
small clubs around the country. Soit's not exactly this is all a revelation,
but to see it all in onepiece on a Netflix special is in
fact new. Right. If you'reWill Smith, what do you do?
I don't think you do anything rightnow? He made an apology, right,
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The apology to me wasn't. Idon't know. I don't want to
say it wasn't an apology. Inother words, when you apologize, it's
more about the feeling that you conveythan the words you could be saying.
I apologize. But people know ifyou're sincere, If you give someone in
a sincere apology, they usually detectthat and respond in a positive way.
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He went on and did this thingthat was sort of an apology, but
it was very fixed. Okay,if you're asking me, Will Smith.
And so I think at this pointhe's done what he has to do,
and I would just kind of sitand not do anything for a while.
I think a couple of things happen, and some of them might be paradoxical.
Obviously, the takedown was savage inmany ways. The things he says
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on the comedy special were way worsethan he was going during the Oscar commentary,
I mean in the oscars he wasmaking fun of Jada Pinkett's hair.
He says that a lot more stuffabout Jada Pinkett and this special us right
that you would think if the situationwas the same, it would have been
more than a slap from Will Smith. Been a lot of other things,
and he humiliates Will Smith quite franklyfor his behavior involving his wife and his
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wife's extra marital affair at the sametime because it's funny. I think he
gives Smith an out. I thinkSmith, if he's ever asked at,
you know, the next press conferencefor the next junkin, for the next
movie that he's doing, he canmake light of it because it's now been
recast. Right in the months,in the days and weeks after the slab,
there was nothing funny about it,correct, right, and nobody could
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laugh about it. It was downto Chris Rock to then determine how are
we going to see this thing.It's now been rendered funny and everyone can
kind of laugh it off, andI think it would behoove Will Smith to
laugh it off. He's been giventhe opportunity. So what might have been
an uncomfortable question at a press conferencesix months ago before, when it was
still a serious topic and he hadto kind of apologize and grope for some
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kind of you know, soft landing. Now he's been ridiculed and he can
laugh at it, and I thinkit weirdly makes it easier for him.
You bring out a great point.That's a great point, right, and
it will be fascinating to see ifand when and he will be asked about
it, right, it's inevitable.Yeah, unless he never goes on a
talk show again, right right,right, if he or if he goes
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on a talk show and says,you're not allowed to ask me this question,
you know. But the point isthat it will be interesting to see
if he's asked, if he justsort of now continues it in a lighthearted
way as you're suggesting, which youalso bring out a good point of you
know, rock and a way openedthe door, well exactly. Yeah.
It also lets kind of Will Smithreset himself, right, yes, because
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up until that slap, Yes,he was the last guy you thought would
do something like that. He wasalways a kind of like easygoing guy for
the most part. Will Smith,well, his persona, I never felt
that it didn't surprise me when hedid what he did. I don't really
see his persona as an easygoing guy. I see it more as someone who's
pretty intense, interesting and controlling andboundary oriented and very proud. Okay,
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yeah, very proud. We maydiffer a little bit on yeah, but
that's not the germain set that.The germain piece is that you don't want
to be going forward. I meanyou mentioned, for example this, you
know, some edicts being issued tosome talk show host or a journalist at
a junk You can't ask about thisif that happens. Yeah. First of
all, it never works, right, and everybody finds out, everybody finds
out that you have this edict thatyou're not going to answer this question.
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Right. The biggest danger that WillSmith has going forward is being humorless.
Yeah, yes, right, greatpoint. He has been great point,
the opportunity to make fun of this, I agree, put a smile on
his face, absolutely, and heshould thank Chris Rock yeah for the public
adviceration. I agree. I meanthe way you're bringing out a great point
here, right, because it's we'reall wondering how is this going to be
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dealt with? We were wondering whenRock was going to come out and say
something. And he did. Andnow it's like you brought out a great
point in one way. He openedthe door. So now let's see what
happens. I suppose he comes outtwo or three times, sort of his
lighthearted about it, and Rock doesn'trespond. Then it gets a little more
interesting. But we'll see, right, So I think in some ways then
this may be naive. On marparte. We may be reaching the end
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of this, right, a coupleof more beats to go. Yeah,
but that may be it. Okay, you don't have to wonder. I
was watching Prince Harry to the dayand television, and I thought, would
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Shakespeare be able to weave in atrauma podcast if he was writing his plays
these days. Yes, I thinkhe would. I think he might too.
Yeah, I mean, I know, drafty castles, you know,
on various fields and Scotland and thingslike that. He could probably figure out
how to have a Netflix special.He had all the elements still real emotion.
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And we may say, you know, Shakespeare obviously is know arguably the
greatest words ever written in the Englishlanguage. I don't think that's being uttered
on these trauma podcasts. Prince Harry'spearing on. Nevertheless, the reason Shakespeare
wrote about the Royals is the reasonwe care about the Rows. There's something
about them that is fascinating. Whetherit's the exhibition of real or in this
case, kind of causeplay power,or just the soap operas of families who
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seem to have everything but still can'tmanage to find happiness. These are all
pretty eternal themes. Anyways, PrinceHarry is still talking about his family,
is still talking about his trauma,now talking about the hallucinogens that he's taken,
and clearly trying to draw contrasts inhis parenting to the way he was
raised. None of this is newor frankly that interesting. What I find
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interesting is the obsession that the mediahas with this. In the time since
the Netflix documentary series that came outand the emergence of the book, Harry
has become a bona fide star.We all thought this was going to be
really about Megan Markle, right,she was the focus of all the attacks
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in the British pres point. Heseemed to be the guy kind of going
alongside of her. She was beingrecast as in Diana want to be blah
blah blah blah, blah being villainizedand all those kinds of things, but
it was about her. Yeah,I think a star has been born when
it comes to Harry. And we'vetalked a little bit about this in the
past. The reason I bring itup now is that on Saturday or Sunday,
when this news of this podcast appearedeight Obscure podcast in the UK,
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there were five separate stories on thehomepage of The New York Post at least
as many, if not more,on the homepage of the Daily Mail.
The Daily Mail thoughtfully has added littletabs on the top of the page so
you can go right to the PrinceHarry or Megan. The point is nice.
These people may be cynical, butthey're not fools, right, and
they know these stories sell, right, and it gives them an opportunity kind
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of rant and rave and go ononce again attacking Prince Harry. But the
readers love it and love reading aboutit. He sold, you know,
well over a million copies of hisbook in the opening days. Right,
This guy, you know, haskind of pushed his wife I think,
out of the way for the timebeing. And he's the one that we
like for all the obvious reasons.Right. He looks like a guy you'd
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want to go have a beer with, you know, for a certain sector
of the public, he speaks intotal woke ease. And I'm not trying
to be cynical about it, butI mean he's very sensitive and in touch
yea. And this is you know, cat nip to all manner of podcasts
and women talk shows and things likethat. And lastly, his name begins
with the word prince, right,so you know he's got it all there.
I think he might assu you havea future too after this whole thing
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with the car Nation ends. Sohe's been invited. We don't know what's
going to happen, if they're gonnago or not. I don't know how
long you know the RSVAP date,you know, we'd have to rs VP
buy like you know, at thelast minute, or do you have to
declare at a certain time. Anyway, I'm looking at this less as interested
in the facts of these stories,but in the kind of public relations power
that I think he's being granted.And despite all the attacks in the British
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press, people don't read stories aboutpeople they hate. They really don't.
I mean, I can tell youthat, right now I think they do,
but they don't. Villains obviously areattractive to some degree, but as
someone who edited a magazine, theydon't sell. People who you like sell
So anyway, Well, you bringout a good point that he sort of
become the star. That's right,okay, but he wrote a book.
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Part of the book is Hey,the deal? How much did he get?
Did he get ten million or somethinglike more than that? So,
hey, Harry, guess what youhave to recoup this money? Right?
I mean, you don't have to, but we just gave you a twenty
million dollar advance. And I'm surepart of the understanding was that some of
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this was mapped out. Okay,so you're gonna go on these podcasts and
you know, say that you're thevictim, and you're going to go on
and do these different things and saythese different things. And that he's done
because he has to to support thebook and to make the money back.
Now the other side of it hashe really has sort of consumed the public
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and now he's sort of become moreout front than her. The question is
if she likes that or not,because she seems to not really favor people
who get more attention than her,But for right now it seems to be
working out. Okay. The otherthing is this is about a father and
a son. Am I missing somethinghere? At the end of the day.
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That's what I really think this isabout. It's about you know,
they have to figure this out,and the son, being young, is
going to sit there and say it'smy dad's responsibility. Okay, and those
of us that have raised children wouldsay, okay, yeah, and I'm
it seems to me like Prince Charlesmay have reached out a few times and
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he's trying to do what a dadwould do, and the sun is still
angry. And then the sun issaying, I'm not showing up, So
what's your over under run him showingup or not? Um, I think
he's showing up either too. Yeah, oh that wasn't I know? I
was because I think that's not exciting. Here's why, And it's to be
a fool. Not are you gonnago that far not to show up?
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All right? Because here's the thing. Enough's enough At a certain point.
It is about power. And doyou think let me ask you a question?
Because I was love asking you questionsto get your input, right.
I mean, they could shut himdown in the US. There may be
a few people in Harry's corner,but you know, do you really want
to have your father proactively coming afteryou to shut you down in the US?
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I think it could be done.What do you mean my shutdown?
Um? You know, enough's enough. Like you're not gonna get the same
kind of free pass that you've gottenso far, because the father does have
friends in this country and he hasn'tactivated those relationships to say I want you
to hurt my son. Well,here's what's interesting, I think, and
it's along the lines of what you'retalking about. I know about this stuff.
The British press has tried and againHarry has made the allegation that the
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British press in Cahots, with Camillaand other people in the royal family have
tried to trash Megan and Harry andhave written terrible stories about him. The
question is how effective have those effortsbeen. I would suggest to you that
the sales of these books and thecontracts being given to him, and the
popularity that he has would suggest theefforts are not very successful. People will
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decide what they want to hear,and the British press is not going to
tell them what they ought to thinkabout Prince Harry. However, Harry still
needs to put every foot right,and if he doesn't, the public might
decide. I don't care what theBritish press are telling me about you.
You not going to your father's carnation after he invited you is pretty shabby,
right, correct? So I thinkyou're right. I don't think.
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I think he has proven relatively imperviousto the attacks upon him by the British
press. But if he does somethingdumb British press or no British press,
people say that's not cool. Yourfather invited you, and all the chatter
that always accompanies this question, it'slike, well, it'll cause all kinds
of distraction to the carnation. Giveme an effing break, right. They
know it's not like he's done evenwalking around in the middle of Mayfair,
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you know, with people behind him. Right, he shows up in his
uniform at the event. You knowthe TV cameras taken account of this,
there's all. You know, somelip reader will be hired by the Daily
Mail to figure out what he saidto his brother. The usual bs right,
and that's fine, right, andhis father will get crowned and he'll
actually attract more viewers to the thingthan if he didn't. If he doesn't
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show, the deafening chatter on everysingle television station will be where's Harry.
Where's Harry? Where's Harry? Imean somebody. If if I were doing
this, I'd have a split screenof his house at Montecito where he maybe
or the playground in Santa Barbara wherehe's taking his kids on the swing while
his father's getting crowned. Okay,So the other part of this right again,
father and son relationships and family dynamics. People know me closely. No,
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I have a lot of history andsome expertise in this area. Right.
So, I don't know how yousit there and tell your kids,
who were young, we're not goingto this because we have a beef with
your grandfather. Right. Kids don'tprocess like that. They're looking at everybody
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over there saying, wait a minute, this is a big event, daddy.
Why are you not there? Right? That's number one Number two,
Harry. I'm just giving you someadvice here. Someday, the same way
you're having it out with your dad, your kids are going to have it
out with you. And then atthat point you may realize, Oh,
man, I didn't go to thecoronation. I made a mistake. You
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don't want to be in that position. Ever, I agree, I agree.
Ever, I think he goes mhmm, go, yeah, I
think so do what you gotta do. All right. The last thing we're
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talking about, we're going from royalsto like, I can't make any American
royal. I can't make a bigenough to cran trend. Come on,
yes, this is America. Okay, we're going from Hanry's mother was Lady
Diana. We're not going to LadyGaga. Yeah, it's kind of shadow
Bucks. But this is a fascinatingstory and it goes to you. You
and I just said a very impassionedconversation about the notions and about people's own
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sense of what's right and what's wrong. Yes, so this story is fascinating.
Yeah, it really is. Solast year Lady Gaga's dog walker was
out with her three or four dogs, I can't recall exactly, and he
was confronted by thieves. He wasshot, yes, and seriously wounded.
And two of the dogs, Ithink there was three. Two of the
dogs were stolen, correct French bulldogs, yes, which as an asside have
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been the subject of other thefts andfrankly other crimes. And ye, people
stealing French bulldogs because they're very rareand they're very expensive. Yeah, So
her dogwalker was shot and seriously wounded, and the dogs were returned several days
later. Turns out that the womanwho returned the dogs was periftly involved with
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the thieves who had stolen the dogs. At least two men have gone to
prison for this, one guy beingcharged with attempted murder and is doing decades
in correct and another guy who Ithink is still awaiting sentencing. Right,
But Jennifer McBride, yes, wassomeone involved with these thieves. She was
charged with several kind of accessory chargesand pled guilty to at least one criminal
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charge stemming from her involvement with theseguys. She didn't do any of the
shooting, she wasn't charged with attemptedmurder, but she was charged as being
an accept sery. She's the womanwho returned the dogs. Now we don't
know what the conversations went on on. One imagines that she turned that she
got the dogs, read the papers. You know what happened, Yeah,
got scared and returned the dogs.Right, she returned the dogs after Lady
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Gaga had made a reward offer forhalf a million dollars for the return of
her dogs. No questions asked,Okay, McBride despite pleading guilty to a
crime of having been involved in thistheft. Yeah, now wants her half
a million dollars because she had returnedthe dogs. Why no questions as,
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Huh, what do you think ofthat? I think it takes in and
I think there's a lot of hoots, bubby and flying around. On the
other hand, if I'd look atthe narrow interpretation of what was being offered
by Gaga, you gotta wonder maybeshe needs to cough up the dough to
McBride, even though McBride was involvedin the theft of her dogs. First
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of all, all right, let'stalk about that, because I can jump
all around on this, right.But if you want your dogs back and
you say bring my dogs back,and I'm going to ask you a couple
of questions, well you're never goingto get your dogs back, right.
So part of that is saying isto be smart and say, hey,
no questions asked. Okay. Nowwith that in mind, there's something and
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I was saying this to you earlier. You learn in law school it's called
a unilateral contract, meaning one wayokay. So this offer goes out,
no questions asked. The woman comesforward and says, here's your dogs,
I want my money. That's essentiallywhat's going on. But as we all
know from Professor Valentino in law,where there's a rule, there's always an
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exception to the rule, okay,And the exception in this case is guess
what. You can't claim a rewardif you were involved in criminal activity.
That was the reason for the personbeing deprived of their original property to begin
with. And that's exactly what youhave here, the dogs. I believe
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that McBride was either living with,or dating or somehow involved with one or
two of the people who committed theactual crime. That's correct. So you're
coming. The law has an expressionyou have to have clean hands when you're
asking for a remedy. You can'twalk into court and say, my hands
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are bloody, give me the money, right, your hands have to be
clean. So if this was alegitimate case and she wasn't involved in this
semi alleged criminal activity, then shemight have a better case to say,
I want the five hundred thousand dollarsokay. Now on a legal front,
to take it a step further,these are the cases that the first day
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of law school when you're sitting inContracts one oh one with Professor Freedman,
very first day, and you haveno idea what's going on, and you're
shaking, right, and they saythe word consideration and they say the word
offer. And this is exactly thekind of case you get where someone in
the eighteen hundreds puts an offer inthe window and then someone responds, and
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then there's a dispute and they goto court about well is this enforceable or
not? Okay, And even ifthe woman who brought the dogs back was
not guilty or allegedly guilty of criminalbehavior, Gaga has an argument to say
that my offer wasn't specific enough.It was very general. And it has
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been held by certain courts and certainjurisdictions in certain times that if the offer
is not specific enough, that itcould be called something that we know as
illusory puff wow, right puff,it doesn't exist because it's not specific enough.
So you're really getting into the finepoints of law here. But that's
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what I have. The set Iget it. I get it. And
again you know that the law operatesin this realm, and oftentimes that realm
is not really related to reality andsort of human nature. Again, the
nerve of someone to say, giveme the money, even though I was
involved in the receipt of your stolendogs and may have known more than I'm
(26:29):
comping to about how I got thesedogs and where they came from. I
don't know. If you use thewords no questions asked, you're not looking
to appeal to the stranger out therewho happened to find your dog walking around,
right, You're appealing to someone whoyou know implicitly was involved. That's
(26:51):
the whole reason you say no questionsasked, because all I want is my
dogs back. Good point, ifyou stolen my I don't care that you
because because in brackets, an invisibleink next to it is like, I
don't care if you stole my dogs, just bring them back, right And
in fact, if you bring themback, I'll give you a half a
million dollars. Right. It's likea ransom. Okay, it is a
(27:12):
ransom, okay, right, Imean it seems to me. Then,
okay, let's let's go to thestreet. Okay, because you know,
I'd rather work in the courtroom thing. Okay, let's work. Let's let
you're you like the street, Let'sgo in the street. You're loosening your
tie. Yeah, and you're inthis oh yeah, no, because I
know. I mean, look thatyour lady Gaga, what else are you
(27:32):
going to say to get your dogsback? If you if you put out
a nice offer, this woman maynot come forward. Okay, So she
does come forward, and now Gagasays, sue me, I'm not gonna
pay you. So now let's goback to the courtroom. Right. And
if I know Lady Gaga the wayI do, and I don't know her
real well, but I kind ofknow people on the periphery of her life
(27:52):
right from New York City, right, I mean, she made her bones
on the Lower East Side. Areyou saying forget about it? I'm saying
forget about it. They're gonna cometo her and she's gonna say forget about
it. And if you want togo to court, I have billions and
I'm gonna bury you. And oh, by the way, do you really
want to be on the bad side. You're already involved in criminal semi criminal
(28:15):
activity. Now do you also wantto go there? And I think it's
it's pretty safe, it's pretty safeto say that public sentiment will be on
the side of Gaga. Yeah.I mean, remember, this guy was
shot right by one of these assailants. Correct, four different guys. One
guy's in jail for twenty one years. One guy's in jail for like a
dozen. I mean, Chris,I almost died, right. You know,
anything involving French bulldogs had been priorto this kind of funny, but
(28:37):
now it's not. It's a serioussort of thing. Look, I'm doing
this in part as a kind ofyou know, comment, but I would
kind of like exercise. Let meask you this. In the moment of
her agony and distress and despair overher dogs being stolen, if you,
as her attorney, we're working forher, and she said I'm going to
put out a ransom reward, Yeah, would you have advocated the kind of
(28:59):
language that she used, Yes,I would absolutely, one hundred percent.
And if someone yes, absolutely,And if someone came forward with clean hands,
okay, clean hands, which I'mnot really sure how you can come
forward with clean hands, but you'regoing to say their answer clean because you
know what. You're not asking anyquestions. No, no, no,
But here's the thing. Right,if you're just finding these dogs and Santa
(29:21):
Monica in a park somewhere and thenyou come and say I'm claiming my reward,
then yes, you deserve it.And I would be the first one
to say to her you should paythis. But this is someone who is
involved in the theft of her dogs. Now you're not directly, but indirectly,
and you're saying, well, sheshould have known that. Well maybe
maybe not, right, you don'tknow. It could have been that someone
(29:42):
you know, put the dog somewhereand they came back and there wasn't any
kind of alleged criminal activity, right, So I would one hundred percent.
And she's smart, Okay, she'svery smart. This is exactly what you
do when you want to get backwhat you want to get back. And
(30:03):
if the person was legitimate who broughther the dogs, I'll bet you that
Gaga would have forked over the moneyin five seconds. Okay, But it
was smart. First of all,it's five hundred thousand, okay. And
secondly, it's no questions asked.If it goes to court on a purely
legal argument, Gaga wins, andthe and the woman gets nothing, and
(30:26):
she and she's gonna have to payGaga's attorney fees as well, right,
mark my words. Wow, dothey settle? You know, I don't
know if this settles, because mostpeople will be like settle, settle,
settle. I think Gaga again,you don't think she'll give her ten grand
and make her go away. Shemay not, she may not. I
(30:47):
don't think this is going to settle. I think Gaga would rather spend all
the money just to give this womana hard time. So you're saying that
Gaga is I know I would ifit were my dogs, all bark and
all by. That's what I'm saying. Broke hack it, That's what I'm
(31:07):
saying. Well, this dog isgoing to keep barking until this story is
done. We don't know when that'sgoing to be, but we will let
you know. Again, we havedogs, princes and comedians. Yes in
this week's episode. Yeah good stuff. Yeah I don't agree. I mean
again, all very kind of emotionalstories really based on sort of fundamental human
feelings about family, about revenge,about being wronged, about the notions of
(31:33):
right and wrong. When it comesto this thing and the contract with the
dogs. Yeah, of course dogslove for the dogs. Yeah I understand
that. Yeah, I mean Iknow how I feel fit with my dog.
So from Dogs to Thomas, weup. Tell your friends about us,
continue to listen well used to.We will be back with a full
docket next week. Yeah, onceagain from Times Square. We are and
(31:55):
have been and will continue to beabsolutely Deanter timmer Brook. Thanks everybody,
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