June 23, 2025 • 52 mins
In this session, we discuss new projects including using Royal Road for distribution, creating a novel of Warhammer 40k fan fiction with extensive use of AI, and audiobooks.
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Hey, what's going on? Welcome back.
We're hanging out. We're getting rolling, we're
getting started. Ricky's coming up the stage.
So couple things out of the gate, you know, Anunnaki ebook
out now, audiobook distributing out to all your favorite
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platforms. Hopefully Audible by this
weekend. I assume I shouldn't, but I do.
At this point I've put out a a decent chunk of stuff on there
and I find them to be fairly predictable in their approval
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schedule. So hopefully by this Friday,
tomorrow, Film 3 Space, we're going to be doing an interview
with Wilfred Lee, I believe his name is.
I think that's his handle at theleast.
And then I just put out a remakeof a video that I did last year.
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I put it out today. I finished it over the weekend.
I've been kind of dabbling with it on and on and off for a
while. But you know that that seemed
like a good lull point this weekon Wednesday just to Kick It
Out. And I haven't put out a video
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like an beat that wasn't promotional or whatever since
March. And that was also a remake.
So I've, you know, I've been kind of bogged down with the
audio book stuff, so I haven't been writing new AI shorts, but
I thought that this was a good way to revisit the material but
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clean it up a little bit more. So basically I went back to the,
in it images, the, the, the images I used to produce the
motion and I upscaled them, enhanced them to add detail and
clarity and definition and size.And then I, I reran them through
some of the newer models. So, you know, I didn't write new
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music, I didn't write a new narrative arc for it or
anything. But you know, I think I, I wrote
some new prompts, some of the stuff was easier to achieve this
time around. Like I said, I, I did this
pretty passively. So I can't necessarily give a
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good estimate of how long I was working on that compared to the
original, because again, the original I put out a year ago.
So sort of a while, don't recall.
I probably did that in like a week or two the first time while
I was doing other stuff, and this time obviously I had all
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those assets sitting around and could kind of pick and choose
when I wanted to to mess with certain things.
Used Krea, Luma and Runway for it.
The title card was done with Idiogram, but I didn't actually
regenerate that image. I just used the original 1 but
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upscaled it and then generated new Motion, which I think I,
yeah, I think it's pretty comparable to the original 1.
I'll dig up the original here onTwitter and and link it in the
thread maybe tomorrow or something.
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But yeah. Ricky, what's up?
How have you been? What are you doing?
What are you working on? Working on some CAD, wrote a
chapter of the new project yesterday.
Waiting on all this stuff to turn over Master all three on
Amazon. I have two chapters for Wargate
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Part 1 on Royal Rd. but this is the I forget how many days in a
row it's been. I'm trying to post Dragon on
Royal Rd. It's giving me this era 400 over
and over again. Tried it over the weekend, same
crap. Doing it now, same crap.
There's not a lot of usefulness online for what that is.
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Why that's happening? Yeah, something on their back
end. Yeah, it's discouraging and I'm
tired of it. I want to put the new book up
and start doing chapters and I can't.
So I'm a little, little frustrated, you know?
I'm wondering if it's a formatting thing in regards to
what you are copying from and what you are pasting to.
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It said something about cookies,right?
OK. Yeah, yeah.
But, but I don't know how to affect that.
So it can say that, but I, and if the forums are not, they're
not helpful, immediately helpful, I don't know, maybe
they're not What I'm saying is they're not helpful to me.
Maybe I don't understand what they're talking about.
But either way, I'm just trying to get this done and I don't
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care for it, you know? Let me ask you this, what are
you uploading? Are you uploading text or are
you uploading an image? It's it's all that.
It's all that stuff you need to cover.
I'm. I don't have the images
embedded, if that's what you're referring to.
There are different fields. Yeah.
Like tomorrow at 3:00 if Kimberly don't show up.
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My goal is to go over this to, like talk about it, but I don't
mind doing a preview on your show.
Sure. So all I'm saying is there's
fields you go to the writer dashboard.
Are you doing, let me ask you this because I, I know I, I'm
generally familiar with what you're talking about.
Are you doing this on a computeror are you doing this on a
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mobile device? I'm doing it on a computer
because as best as I can tell, you have no choice but to do it
on a computer. Well.
Best as I can tell, maybe I'm wrong.
Don't they have a mobile app though?
They have a mobile app, but thatdoesn't that doesn't guarantee
I'm going to be able to upload stuff.
It may just be for the readers, you know what I mean?
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I don't really know, I'm new. I'm trying to figure it all out.
Let's see, I'm looking it up a little bit too.
So error 400, Bad request. What does it mean?
It means the servers are having trouble handling the load of
everyone trying to put their stuff on at the same time.
Well that seems absurd. My guess the password based log
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in error 400. It it's a server side issue of
some kind and it could have to do with the type of image you're
trying to load up there. It could have to do with like
the file size of the image you're trying to load up.
Can you when you're entering theinformation in there, do you
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have to load U say everything all at once?
Or could you say load U the textand the title and then come back
in and place your image on a separate upload?
Lamentably, when you first put stuff up, it's there's no save
like certain things like like there's a save function.
I would much care for that because then I could begin my
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setup and figure it out, you know?
Are you on the computer that you're using for that currently?
Yeah, and unfortunately I'm working on a CAD job that I got
to get done. No, it's OK.
Do you have discord on that computer or is it on a different
computer? I have discord on my phone, I
don't have it on my. Computer, do you have your cover
image? The same file on your phone.
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I have that on the computer, butI still have it somewhere saved
on my phone as well. Well if you want drop that to me
in discord and I'll take a look at that image and if I if I can
convert it either in size or format, maybe that will enable
it. I appreciate it because my guy
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sent it. My guy sent it to me.
And when I did, when I did the Wargate book, it's the same
exact format, right. And when I posted Wargate, I
didn't get this. OK, I'm getting I'm getting this
with the dragon cover, so I'm going to drop it in.
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Well, I'll put it in yours. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Whatever is easy for you. Yeah, it's a little, it's a
little frustrating and I would love to know like what's going
on, you know? Yeah, oh, the cover looks good.
Thanks. Yeah, and it's within the
parameters that they say, like it's got to be 400 by whatever,
100 pixels, 400 wide, whatever high.
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I forget what it is, it says it on the site.
I would investigate further but I like I said, I'm trying to get
this thing out the door for the boss so.
It's all good. Gen. 4 image.
Oh, that's me doing that. What it dunce?
Where did your thing go? Should be right there.
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Where's the dragon cover that I just saved?
Where is the dragon cover that Ijust saved?
Oh, geez, I'm making a mess overhere.
Oh, OK. We don't want to.
We don't want to do that. I don't know how to spell
dragon, but I'm going to spell it close to how I think it's
spelled. So let's take this is not a big
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file. This is telling me it's 1365 by
2048. Does that sound correct?
Well hold on one second. Let me just open up that doc
where I can get the actual format size.
OK, I'm going to go to the site.It just still take Me 2 seconds.
I got it listed here. Somewhere.
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Yeah. So it's according to them, it
has to be at least 400 wide by 600 tall.
But it's that that's the low end, like, So it doesn't have to
be like, it doesn't have to be precisely that because there's a
way, there's a way to scale it, you know what I mean?
It has to be basically 2 by 3. I I if you say so.
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Yeah, I think so, yeah. Let's see.
Well, if you're saying 400 by 600, right?
OK, So yeah, this is this is this is 4400 by 602 by three if
we shrink it down. So that's not a problem.
Hey, what's up? Jen is here, dude, come up to
stage because this is who you want to talk to.
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Actually, I'm going to send you an invite.
Ricky and Jen, I've been trying to put you guys together.
So this is honestly ideal. What we're doing right now is
messing around with his cover image, trying to see, I don't
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see that there should be a problem.
But here's what I'll do. I'm going to shrink this down
for you. I'm just going to make it.
I'm not going to make it 400 by 600.
Well, actually, you know, who cares, right?
I'll make you a couple of them. We'll just do like we'll do like
a couple. I'll do one that's like 400 by
600 for it does it? Here's another question.
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Does it say PNG or JPEG format or it doesn't care?
I don't know that it cares, but I also wasn't paying super close
to that either. Yeah, no problem.
I'll just make you like a bunch of them and then.
Thanks and I brought my e-mail in your discord.
I'm just going to drop them intodiscord for you.
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I appreciate it. Thank you.
Yeah, no problem. Yeah, actually.
OK, so while I do this, Jen, this is Ricky.
Ricky, this is Jen. Jen has been working on a novel
draft that uses Chat GPTI believe to create a story in the
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Warhammer 40K universe, I believe.
Is that right? Yeah, this is the gentleman you
mentioned yesterday. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah.
Hey, hey, What's up, everybody? Yeah, yeah, I'm been using a
Gemini Pro to to try to, you know, write a Warhammer story.
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I mostly chose Warhammer mostly because I was getting into the
universe. I didn't really know the
universe and I picked a group and within the universe that I
knew nothing about and I wanted to practice like its ability to
research, research and also integrate, you know, concepts
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like lore, ideology, you know, the particular propagandas that
you know, certain groups in Warhammer have since most most
in that universe are, you know, highly ideological, you know,
highly propagandized. So I started writing it.
The first few drafts weren't toogreat, but I'm starting to get a
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version of it that is actually pretty strong.
I kind of codified all the rulesand stuff like that on how it
should write, how it shouldn't write, what it should avoid.
Mostly fighting gets its bias and I'm hoping to have a decent
version of Part 1 very soon. I think I have one that's
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pretty. It's OK, but you know, it's
still could use some more work and I think once I get those
rules codified for Part 1, I cankind of, you know, do the all
the other parts a lot more quicker.
So yeah, I'm just most apart just looking for feedback
because the AI gives good feedback, but it does seem like.
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It's. Feedback doesn't.
It forgets things or underestimates things, or
doesn't read things correctly incomparison to a human and stuff
like that. So all that is just like a real
learning lesson of like what theAI can do, what's its
weaknesses, what's its strengthsand you know, how you navigate
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that when you're trying to writesomething.
But I'm I'm curious on how how much you guys use AI in your
writing and stuff like that. Well, I'm a novelist like I'm a
fiction writer and I'm a novelist.
I wrote in the last couple years, I wrote like four or five
novels that 100,000 words. I don't use AI very much for my
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fiction. I use it in part with Michael
for show prep and things like that.
But I don't. I've experimented with chat GTP
in that I write composite poems.I'm trying to write Cyborg poems
that are half written by myself and half written by the AI.
But I don't use it in any meaningful way to compose nor do
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I derive my outlines from it. But I am very interested in your
process. How it is that you you've
refined your prompts and how howdo you acquire also your data
for your novel? Like what's your average chapter
length? What's your ceiling like?
How long is the book going to be?
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How long are you going to make it?
Like what are you writing to? So it's going to be at least
around 100K words. I believe Part 1 was around, I
think it's right now it's around20 K words.
It was a lot longer, but it got I definitely condensed it to,
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you know, to improve the pacing,you know, you know, stuff like,
you know, I got really a lot of boring parts, but it was like 40
Ki have Part 2, which should be like maybe 20K or 30K maybe a
little bit longer. So at the end it should be like
100K book or when I you know getto editing at like 100 to 80 K
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words. So.
So yeah, it's a big book. Yeah, 100K is is a good size and
it's appropriate for the genre that you're writing that space
opera type of whatever. 40K is dystopic, however you want to
genre genreify it. But yeah, 100, a 100K would be
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good. And I don't suppose you have the
how long your average chapter islike you probably don't design
chapters, you probably just write them.
But I'm just curious as to how you're like, would you say it's
like 3006 thousand words? Like how are you?
How are you chopping up the 100 grand?
Yeah, I haven't thought about how much words per chapter, but
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it can range from maybe like so that I think for Part 1, there's
four chapters. So I, I guess it's, I guess it's
5000 words per chapter or close to that, maybe a little less.
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Yeah, well, that's, that's a lotof like I, I think George RR
Martin's chapters are between 3:00 and 6:00, but they go
mostly, I think to to 5 or 6K. My chapters are notoriously
short because I designed my pace.
I move by different philosophies, also of what
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chapter length should be. But yeah, it makes sense to me
that they'd be like 5 Ki. Don't know.
I'd love to see your manuscript,man.
That's all I got to say. I'd love to see what you're
doing. Yeah, so I kind of maybe like
pseudo open sourced it. So I have the, the current
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story, the character Bible, like, you know, all the
characters themes. I'm trying to work with stuff
like that story Bible that you know, has all, you know, all the
beats, all the things that are supposed to happen in Part 1,
all the books, you know, the stuff I use for that data
collection to kind of build, make sure that everything's law
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compliant. I have a lot of like collections
of writing books, you know how to write well, stuff like that
there. Then I have the condensed
versions because like if you putlike 10 books in the AI, it's
going to kind of slow down a little bit or it's going to kind
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of like you, you, you're taking up a significant amount of its
contacts window. So what you want to do is like,
at least for me is what you, youwant to take those 10 books, ask
all the questions you, you want from it, and then condense that
into a document. So I have a, a couple condensed
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documents. 1 is about the lore. This is about the the Tau part
of the Warhammer universe. It's just condensed lore of
everything possible. You want to know about the Tao
condensed in the document between all the books that's
ever been released from the Tao.I don't think I hit all the
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books though. There may be something that's
then I have like a condensed version of like writing tips and
stuff like that. Long, long list of all the
writing tips that AI should takeaccount of and use and analyze.
And then I have a long list of condensed rules on AI bias
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biases. So AI has a like a lot of
biases, a lot of ways as styles.It's writing that once you've
seen so much writing, and since I've seen so much of it at this
point. I can definitely hear it.
I can definitely pass the turn. I could definitely do a Turing
test and hear a lot of times, probably not poetry.
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Poetry is kind of hard, but justgeneral writing.
So just ways to avoid that, you know, also some suggestions
people have given me by reading some of the older versions of
it. So just to kind of avoid that
and you know, some of the cognitive blind spots that I
kind of noticed that it does have when it comes to like
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writing very long form stuff. So I have a long condensed
document on that. So when I begin to write, I
inject, you know, the the lore guide, the character Bibles, the
the current story and the AIAAI bias.
And then, you know, I asked it to summarize.
And then? Tell me like what it thinks and
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you know, then we get to start to writing, rewriting chapters
or figuring out what works and what doesn't.
So I have that and I have the document and I can, I can share
them all. So anyone else wants to take a
look at it or just take a look at the sources and stuff like
that. And yeah, maybe you can
spearmint and try to try to rateyour own.
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If you're, you're well, you're free to do so.
I don't know where I could send it, maybe I could like I don't
know if you guys have a group chat or discord or you know.
You know Michael well, I'm sure you trust him, so if you could
send him APDF, I'd love to checkit out.
Yeah. Jen, are you?
Are you in our discord? No for the AI.
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Gorillas. No.
Yeah, just. Send me a link, I should be able
to jump in. Yeah, hold on.
Let me let me figure out how to do that while I'm in the middle
of this. Give me a second.
Ian, welcome to stage. I don't think you've been here
before, but I see you're friendswith our friends.
So you know, what are you working on?
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What are you doing? What do you think?
You know what? What do you?
What do you? What do you have to say?
Thanks a lot. Actually, yeah, I've been here a
couple of times. I just as a listener though.
Oh, OK. Yeah, people pop in and out.
It's hard to catch working. Yeah.
Cool. Well, welcome up.
Just hearing. What you guys had to say?
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I.
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Just actually, yeah, the the bignews I guess I have is I just
released my debut collection of short stories on.
Amazon, Congrats. Put a link into the comments and
the. Reception has been really good,
So awesome. Glad to hear it.
Yeah, like I said, put a put a link into the comments for us.
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Yeah, I sure. Will what?
Can you tell us about your collection Short stories?
You said? Yeah, it's a.
Short story collection, kind of like in the same.
It's all speculative and I'd sayas genre adjacent, definitely
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respecting genre but not revering it.
So some of those tropes get, youknow, a little wonky, but but
it's a lot like the Twilight Zone, Black Mirror, that kind of
stuff. Emotionally jagged, more weird
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than dark, that kind of stuff. Yeah, that's cool.
Sounds good. Yeah, it sounds interesting.
Yeah, for sure. How long have you been working
on it? Well, it's.
I mean, it's a collection of 12 stories, and you know, I've
written a whole bunch of short stories.
That's pretty much what I do more than anything else.
But nice, I guess. I've been messing around with it
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pretty steadily for about a year.
I'm just, you know, compiling and what stories do I want to
put out? That kind of what sort stories
do I want to add to the collection?
That kind of thing. Man, look at all the people
coming in. If you guys want to come up,
grab a mic. We're just chatting.
Finally connected. Jen and Ricky.
This was huge. This was massive.
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Ian up on stage for the first time, even though he says he's
been a listener and we haven't necessarily seen him hanging out
before, but he's he's here. That's good, you know, for you
guys, you know, grab a mic if you want to.
You know how this works. OK.
This isn't your first time here.I don't have to do all the work.
You do some of the work. You could meet me halfway.
You do 50%, I do the other 50%. Yeah.
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Trying to think of, oh, we lost him.
See, that's how bad the reception is in the Ozarks.
He just fell off. Good Lord, I meant to.
Ask him if he was the and that Iknow that I do reads with but I
was waiting for an opportunity to to find out because I if
that's the case he changed his profile picture and stuff so you
don't recognize. His voice.
He's back. Oh, he's back.
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Well. I think it's just a reception.
Hey Ian, are you the and that I do reads with with MJ and all
that. You're a chef too.
You write superhero fiction. Is that is this the same Ian but
I just get a thumbs up I. Don't know, I didn't catch that.
Are you that Ian? But you it is, yeah.
Same guy, OK. Yeah, I, I thought so you
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changed your profile picture andstuff.
So I, I didn't know at first, but what's up, man?
Oh, nothing. I'm just, you know, like I say,
just we're out in the Ozarks. We had a little cabin up here
and so we're just kind of hanging out for a few days.
I. I can tell everyone in this room
that Ian's got a voice for like,miles.
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And please drop your link for your book, man.
Like, people should buy this book.
I've never heard anything Ian has read that didn't blow me
away. It's just a fact.
OK, so buy. Buy his damn book.
I don't know what to tell you. I praise.
Oh, thank you, man. Thank you very much.
Yeah, I put it in. I, I put it in the.
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I put it in the thread link. Same thing.
So I put a link in there. So whoa, it says show probable
spam. Uh oh.
Geez, Ian, you're a troublemaker.
That's what I'm trying. To do, sorry.
I'm I'm spamming. Myself, it's fine.
I don't care, you know, I'm finewith it.
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Yeah, I like spam. That's how they make that spam.
And then we. Lost.
We lose you on all the punch lines.
Whenever the the informational component of the message is
about to hit, that's when they're cutting you off.
The Ozarks doesn't want us to know the depth of your your
message. Yeah.
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It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a difficult thing.
So but anyway, yeah, it's, but no, I'm really happy with the
way it came out and, and, and it's been really, really well
received and, and all that. So I'm kind of excited to see
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what's next. I'm working on on another, on a
new, another collection as well.So I don't know when that's
coming out, but that's going to be kind of a superhero
deconstruction, OK. So we're thinking somewhere
along the lines of the boys, certainly.
Elements of the Boys and Elements of Invincible and and,
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but it's not certainly not as gory.
A little more philosophic all. Right.
So that's. That'll be I'll be working on
that shortly as well your. Superman Inversion is a
meditating hermit. That's a nail on the head.
That's what it is right there. My Wonder Woman is a is a dog
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Walker and, well, you. Know we'll see when it comes
out. So you put it out on KDPI?
Assume anywhere else I did. What other plans do you have for
it? Have you thought about an audio
book? Yeah, I'd love.
To have an audio book, I, I, I wouldn't even know how to start
doing that. So I'd have to look into it
first. How do you can teach her?
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Oh yeah. Yeah, she's about to wrap one
up. Oh, cool.
Oh yeah, you. Mentioned that in the last I
think in one of the last episodes.
I was in. I listened to anyway.
Yeah, Heidi. 'S just about done.
I I listened to it, I finished it maybe not quite a month ago,
but last month perhaps. And you know, it's, it's almost,
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it's almost ready. Yo, Heidi's coming up.
The gang's all here. We're all hanging out.
Clawson's popping in. We had, oh, you know, gosh, if I
could go back and dig and get his.
I don't know if I'll be able to.I don't know how long, how far
back on the timeline that is, but we did a podcast session.
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He's got a new book that is coming out or is out.
I don't remember what is it? Is it coming out or is it out?
I don't recall. Heidi, it's it it's pending.
It's so I'm. Yeah, I'm in here right now
instead of working on it. So that's that's where I'm at.
Well. You think about that.
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Ricky's back up, though. All of a sudden, Ricky, did we
gain you back? How did you get up here?
It dumped me at a speaker for some reason.
I was listening the whole while.Were you asking me?
I had the book coming out. No, no.
No, Clawson's got the book. That's.
Dig it. Yeah, pending.
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Heidi went in the kitchen. Look at that.
She lost signal. I know that's what she did.
She was like, well, I'll just take a little break from working
on this audio book and I'll get some tea.
But I'll join this space right before I go in the kitchen so
that as soon as I start talking,it'll disconnect me.
And then that'll be a funny little trick that everybody
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likes to play that she likes to play.
One little trick. There's an error adding Heidi.
It says she is in the kitchen and cannot connect.
Take a lap. Heidi, shut down your app.
Shut down your app and come backin and get out of the kitchen.
Can you hear me? Thumbs up if you can hear me.
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Heidi, close down your app. She says I just got a message
from her. Says yes, literally in the
kitchen. Heidi, I you have to take a lap.
I can't approve you. Wait.
Oh, wait. Third time might be the charm.
She can now speak. Heidi is on stage.
We do. We have you, Heidi.
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I got claw up here all of a sudden somehow.
I don't know how that happened. Who's up?
Who's active, who's talking? Can anybody talk right now?
So dawg. Hey.
How did you get up here? I'm sorry.
Guy just requested. Oh, did you?
I just requested. To speak.
Oh, that's. OK, that's funny, 'cause it said
Heidi, but fine. Yeah, welcome back.
You know the but when is the book coming out or is it out?
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It's coming. Out on the solstice.
They started on June 20th, it seems.
It seems fitting because, you know, it's a book about a hot
place in the dead of summer. So I just, it kind of just it
kind of clicked. I'm with it.
It just made sense. I had a few changes I had to do
to it, so it made more sense that way, yeah.
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I'm cool with it. Yeah.
Pray for the birds. That's the title, right?
Yeah. Hold on.
One second no. Problem Heidi.
She's out of the kitchen. I never was in the kitchen you
sent me. That message just a second ago
that said I'm in the kitchen, I said.
I was not in the kitchen, it said I.
Am 100% in the kitchen. Laugh emoji, Laugh emoji, Crying
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laugh emoji. OK, well in, in, in the magical
bizarro world, that's the message I sent you.
No, I was on here and it just crashed and then I couldn't get
back in and it was crazy. It was the the apps glitching
because I'm literally I am. I'm literally sitting two feet
away from the Wi-Fi box. So I'm, I'm supposedly in the
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absolute best place in my house with our, with our crappy Wi-Fi.
That's Gavin. Newsom's America for you.
Hey, if it. Makes you if it makes you feel
better, the power grid in my town just went down earlier so
because it's like 100 years old.So I was just getting out of the
gym, just barely and power in the gym, which is which is cool.
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It's my favorite. Well, makes you feel.
Any better? They're trying to burn us down.
We got to do something about allthis.
Background noise, Clawson Sorry,hold on.
I'm going to my car. That's why OK, we don't have.
To go in the car though, So whatI was saying.
Before is I'm I'm in here instead of working on the audio
book. But thank you for shaming me.
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I don't know if I got that before I crashed.
It's fine. You're almost done.
I know, I know. So I'll waste.
Another 20 minutes, right? What's the big deal, you know?
I don't know at this point. It's been a year, you know.
What's, what's 20 minutes? I don't know, right?
No, it's going to come out. No.
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You know the challenges. I've faced the misery, I've been
through the long-suffering days and nights, but you're almost
there. Yeah, the audio book.
You're right at the finish line.No big.
Deal. You know?
Yeah, as soon as you get it ready and you know when it's
gonna, when you're like, when you're like ready to steal home
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from third base, that's when we'll do the podcast session
I've got. 12 chapters. Good Lord.
That's not close out of 46. Chapters.
That's 1/4 of the book. No, it's not.
Yes, it is. OK, So OK, let's.
Let's play this game. So what is 46 divided?
(34:32):
By 12 is it? 12 or is it 12 / 40?
It'd be the percentage. It'd be 4612 / 46.
That's not 1/4 of the book. It's very close to 1/4 of the.
Book Heidi. It's closer than you're going to
want to admit, but The thing is,they're recorded.
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What? No, it's all.
Recorded. I have 12 more chapters go
through. To edit.
Yeah, right. And.
I'm in one of them where it looks like I'm going to have to
it. It's I've got all these the
scratchy noises. I think it's peaking.
I think is the term what that would technically be used.
So I'm have to be recorded. You're getting a little bit of
(35:15):
like. Digital artifacts because you're
going into the red, you're clipping.
Yeah, well, it gets like a it's.Like a scratchy noise.
I don't know how to explain it sounds like rubbing, like
rubbing or scratching or some kind, you know, like some little
demons in there playing around. It's digital clip.
What was the? What?
(35:37):
Was the was it you? Michael was telling me about the
stat about how many people listen to audiobooks versus
reading or or digital, maybe print or digital.
I don't know it. Was like, it's a lot.
Right. I mean how?
Many audio books I I'm wondering, 'cause I need to, I
need to look at getting my book recorded here.
By the way, hopefully the background sound is down
(35:57):
considerably. I just have my AC going, that's
about it. So we.
Understand the AC in Arizona, it's 100 and it's 104.
Degrees currently and it's probably going to come to 109
today. So woof.
No, thank you. You.
Can keep it. It's a cooler summer day.
Actually, believe it or not, so.Yeah.
I. I I actually told.
My wife, you know, I'm a little bit, it's a little bit sad when
(36:20):
I, when we move, we're moving next month and when I'm no
longer in the desert, it'll be sad because I'm not going to
have the inspiration to, you know, to derive from from my
next book because I won't be like.
You know. It's easy to write a desert, you
know, a desert fantasy book whenyou're literally living in the
(36:40):
desert and you have to walk out in the, you know, the oven every
day. So it makes it a little bit
easier. You put the next book.
In a new setting you just pick adifferent environment.
I wish bro this. Is this I'm I'm going for
thematic here? I'm not.
I'm not gonna, you know, there'sno, there's no ice.
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There's no desert planet ice. Planet.
Rainforest. Planet.
No, no, it's. Unfortunately for unfortunately
for everyone involved, all for my imaginary characters, they're
all stuck in hell, which is in my opinion it's anything over
120°. I actually when I wrote it,
funny enough, Arizona has a veryinteresting, the monsoon
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patterns are because of high elevation, like a high elevation
elevation rim that borders the desert.
And that's what happens is the moisture from like California
comes over, pushes over the mountains, and then the heat
pushes that up into clouds and that's what creates the
monsoons. And I was doing a lot of
research on the Nile and on Egypt when I was writing a book
(37:44):
and I realized that I almost, I felt so bad because I, I know
what it's like to live like we had 100° a hundred days last
year where it didn't break below120° and no rain.
It was the hottest summer on record last year in Arizona.
And I thought to myself, I'm like, if I put my characters, I
even know, I can imagine if there was no moisture at all, if
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there's no monsoons and there's no relief.
And because there's a delta and there's a high like Highlands
above the kind of main city where the most historic takes
place. I, I empathize so much on the
characters. I had to put in something.
I was like, I got to do something about this.
It was like one of the dumbest reasons I feel like that I put
it in, but I, I kind of figured I'm like, you know, how long
could you live in a city that's like 120 a 130° in the desert,
(38:32):
you know, for that long. So give them a drink.
So did you do the math on that? I'm not.
Talking to you anymore? Yeah, well, cope seethe.
Fine, you can be correct. Yeah, can I?
Thank you. I'll be right on this point, OK?
Yeah, 26. Percent well.
(38:54):
Just never mind, OK? I have 20. 6% left.
To go, Yeah. That's not that bad.
It's. Not like, no, it is what it is.
It's a lot better than it was, say, last week.
Yeah, get it done. Which was probably closer to 50.
Percent. Really.
Yeah. Probably.
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You're working your way through.My notes.
I'm working. My way through your notes.
OK I'm in chapter 33 and I'm real and I got annoyed because I
realized I'm going to have to rerecord some of it.
I can't fix it. That's how it goes so.
I had to take a break. Yesterday you were too
frustrated to. Continue soldiering on.
(39:38):
You know, it's like. It's, it's a lot to ask creative
people not to get emotional sometimes.
I mean, I don't know what to say.
It's the reality of it. No, I know I'm in a room full of
men who are probably laughing their heads off at that
statement. But yeah, it does happen
occasionally. Anyway, no.
(40:02):
So I'm, I'm working on it and I'm, I'm, I'm hell bent on
getting it done because but you know, it has a lot of moving
pieces in life as you know, I don't know what to tell you.
It's hard. It's hard to do it.
It's not like I've got everybody, someone else managing
(40:22):
the rest of my life. So such is things.
And I have, you know, people to make lunches and dinners for.
What do I do? What did you make?
For lunch. Today.
The request was eggs. Nobody really eats breakfast in
this house 'cause I live in a house.
I mean, if they're eating. Eggs.
It's essentially breakfast. Yeah, but it's breakfast at.
(40:45):
Like noon, it's lunch for. It's breakfast for lunch, you
know that's right. Sure.
They requested this so you know it's not like it's a hard meal.
But anyway, yes, figure it's theleast I can do.
But yeah. No.
So I got to go work on that and I'm.
(41:08):
You know, we did the screw tape letter thing.
Yesterday. That's all we you know.
It went. Pretty well, there was a you
know, I'll, I'll tell you it. I like doing spaces where you're
that that's a that particular book or group of letters,
because it's really just like a group of newspaper articles that
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he published as letters and someone just came in.
So he did. He showed me that last night.
At some point he solved the Rubik's Cube.
No, that's good. Does that mean that you stopped
beating him? Yeah, It's.
Not even funny. I'm funny, no.
(41:53):
So the letters, it's interestingwhen you're it really.
It's really nice to kind of, it's like a book club, but not
what's nice about it is you can read one letter and then discuss
it. It'd be a lot harder to do that,
say with a book and a space. So some of the conversations can
get really meaningful, especially when you're looking
at CS Lewis, right. So I enjoy that a lot because,
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you know, it's a lot of food forthought, which, you know, feeds
my own writing and my own sort of, you know, way I'm
approaching things. So that's it's real positive on
that thing. And I, you know, it's a good
smart group of people chatting about CS Lewis, what could go
wrong, you know, what do you do?So it's good.
(42:38):
I like those spaces. We're about done.
I think we have like 3 more letters to go, so maybe two or
three or more of those spaces. So if you guys.
Catch them. They're kind of.
Fun, I mean, if you like CS Lewis, like listening to
Englishman chat about it, it's it's pretty good so.
(42:59):
Yeah. I don't want to listen to
Englishman talk. At all, to be honest.
Yeah, I know, I know. I I.
Know. I know I will.
I know you're not. You don't much like that.
Here's a funny thing. Oxford accent.
I've been watching. This 24/7 gardening channel and
it's an English guy. Well, the the English garden.
(43:21):
It's a thing, you know, It's been a thing for a long time.
Yeah. I mean the.
English garden is a beautiful. Thing you you're going to have
to let that you know they they they almost speak the same
language almost, but. Fairly not, not.
Really. Fair.
Enough. What's the?
What's my line? You know, I usually say the
(43:41):
English people, you know, I don't speak English.
I'm American. Yeah, the.
The one that really got me is they have.
I've been really focused on the silent H for a while.
Just by the nature of herb. Herbs no.
(44:03):
Yeah, that's. Not a silent H like in America
it is, but in England it's not. And then you have something like
honor, you know, my favorite on both sides of.
The Pond. Pronunciation is Lieutenant.
Yeah, trying to figure. Out where the F?
(44:24):
Is in Lieutenant, you know, where is that F, But I don't
know. I don't have to tell you.
Yeah, I'm, you know. Fine with it so long as I.
Don't have to hear it you. Know reading it is actually not
a problem, but gosh these. Audio books with.
(44:47):
English readers, just the worst punishment, truly.
Really bad. For you?
Really. Rough, not like the.
Mid-Atlantic accent, even if thebook was written.
By an Englishman less. Less annoying.
Less marginally. Less.
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Audio books with English accents.
I'm just I just you're, you're adelight.
I can't tell you. He's giving me a bad time.
Because my villains and my my audio book have English accents,
just FYI. No, I actually that wasn't the.
Connection I was making oh but. You see you.
(45:32):
You feel guilty. I know, I know the other
connection. But I'm not bringing that one up
like. I'm going to get I'm going to
get raked over the coals for my English accent.
Oh, I've done it. I did it for a.
Character. When I did The Cask of
Amontillado, I didn't, I think, I think.
(45:55):
Well, you know, it depends. I, I don't really care.
I, you know, it's kind of like the, the Dick Van Dyke Mary
Poppins thing where all the English absolutely are appalled.
Dick Van Dyke's Cockney accent. But you know, us Americans,
probably the same view that WaltDisney had of it where he sort
of said, who the hell cares? You know?
(46:15):
You know, I mean, a bunch of people in a, in a country the
size of the state of Washington seem to be offended.
I don't care. I got to move.
These these. Movies, you know, that's the
thing. Well, you know, it's it's good
to. Offend the English every now and
then. You know, they, they, they, they
respect you if they don't have no respect for you, if you're
(46:36):
just nice at them. So possible it's.
Possible. You got to.
You got to. Give it to them every now and
then. Well.
You know, as it is because we'rein the home stretch, we are
getting close for people that are hanging out listening.
If you want to come up to stage,you're welcome to while we get
(47:00):
close to the end here. Otherwise, Ian Gin, if you have
thoughts, comments, things you'dlike to kick out into the ether,
this is this is your chance. Yeah.
Hey, I just want to say I. May have this skedaddle soon,
but we're going to wrap up on the hour so you.
Know we're all going to be doingthat.
(47:22):
No, but yeah. No, I'm just excited to read
first, like meet everybody and also decided to maybe
potentially read your read everybody's stuff.
You know, I think, you know, I have my own little project and I
think if it goes a little well, I can finally, you know, get on
(47:43):
to my own books other than what I'm writing right now, you know,
not based on someone else's IP. And I'm excited to do that.
As for audio books, I have my own route for audiobooks.
Yeah, I've been looking at a lotof the different audio tools.
(48:03):
I've seen some good examples of how it can be generated
effectively alongside of sound effects and stuff like that.
So I think what I what I have now, once I get to a good state,
you know the conversion into audiobook would be the the
(48:24):
easiest thing I can possibly do.OK, I mean, I'm.
Still going to do all the mixingbuddy.
Well, you could. You could hire.
Someone you can go into ACX and hire a narrator.
No, he's talking about generating.
All of them. Oh, he's going to do an AI?
(48:45):
Generation of it I are those I'mthey have to be viable.
They have to be. They have to be accepted by some
platforms now because, yeah, like Audible is offering that
now through Amazon. Are they?
Yeah, they. Started a few months.
Back I can't imagine. I mean, it'd be interesting to
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hear what it would do. You're not up on that.
The voices and the inflection isgetting very, very good.
Yeah, I know. You've told me this.
Before I mean like there's, I mean like.
In the last month, it's. Amazing.
I'm sorry, Jen. I don't mean to keep talking.
I just, I will stop. But yeah, I'll.
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I don't know, I'm kind of torn on that one.
Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, there's a lot of new
tools. That's why I'm a little bit more
excited about it. There's a lot of new tools, some
that are more locally based thatare high quality.
It's not just, you know, 11 labs, 11 labs used to dominate
the space and was quite expensive too.
(49:50):
So now that there's more tools and things are kind of the, the
price is kind of coming down, you know, it's more excited to
kind of experiment on. I don't know, I, I didn't mean
to offend anyone by saying it was stumpy or anything, but you
didn't. I'm just.
No, no, no, I'm, I'm just commenting on like generating
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all the text is the easy part. Generating sound effects is also
the easy part. But what is going to be a lot of
work is the mixing and masteringand editing and exporting that.
That is not, that's not automatic.
That's going to be like it's a one to one translation in terms
(50:34):
of having to listen to the actual runtime.
But we're not going to go too far down that because we're
going to kind of wrap things up.Ricky, you came up Ian, if you
guys have any final comments, thoughts, additions you want to
make, this is this is the time to do that, you know, just.
(50:55):
Thanks for having me on and yeah.
I realized it was my. Phone that was the issue.
So I got on my computer and everything seems to be just
fine. So, yeah, yeah, very good.
But yeah, but thanks for having.Me on thanks for letting me talk
a little bit about what I'm doing and and I love hearing
(51:15):
about what everyone else is doing too.
And yeah, if I if I go down thatroad where I do want some, you
know, advice on an instruction on how to get an audio book
done, I'll definitely reach out to y'all.
Yeah, for sure. We do this every two weeks here.
(51:37):
Ricky, Heidi and I also host theWriter's Block on Tuesdays,
which is a thematic discussion you know in.
The middle of. The day.
Any final comments from you guys?
Otherwise, you know. We'll wrap it up.
This has gone well. You know, we've ripped, we're
(52:00):
at, we're at the end of the session any.
Check out Book of Master Off. Volume 1, it's in the purple
fill. It's the Eternity series.
Yeah, that's about it. Thanks a lot, Michael, for the
opportunity. Dope.
Hey. Well, this has been a joy, and
(52:25):
we'll talk again before too long.
Hey, what's going on? Welcome back.
We're hanging out. We're getting rolling, we're
getting started. Ricky's coming up the stage.
So couple things out of the gate, you know, Anunnaki ebook
out now, audiobook distributing out to all your favorite
(00:22):
platforms. Hopefully Audible by this
weekend. I assume I shouldn't, but I do.
At this point I've put out a a decent chunk of stuff on there
and I find them to be fairly predictable in their approval
(00:45):
schedule. So hopefully by this Friday,
tomorrow, Film 3 Space, we're going to be doing an interview
with Wilfred Lee, I believe his name is.
I think that's his handle at theleast.
And then I just put out a remakeof a video that I did last year.
(01:09):
I put it out today. I finished it over the weekend.
I've been kind of dabbling with it on and on and off for a
while. But you know that that seemed
like a good lull point this weekon Wednesday just to Kick It
Out. And I haven't put out a video
(01:31):
like an beat that wasn't promotional or whatever since
March. And that was also a remake.
So I've, you know, I've been kind of bogged down with the
audio book stuff, so I haven't been writing new AI shorts, but
I thought that this was a good way to revisit the material but
(01:51):
clean it up a little bit more. So basically I went back to the,
in it images, the, the, the images I used to produce the
motion and I upscaled them, enhanced them to add detail and
clarity and definition and size.And then I, I reran them through
some of the newer models. So, you know, I didn't write new
(02:13):
music, I didn't write a new narrative arc for it or
anything. But you know, I think I, I wrote
some new prompts, some of the stuff was easier to achieve this
time around. Like I said, I, I did this
pretty passively. So I can't necessarily give a
(02:36):
good estimate of how long I was working on that compared to the
original, because again, the original I put out a year ago.
So sort of a while, don't recall.
I probably did that in like a week or two the first time while
I was doing other stuff, and this time obviously I had all
(02:56):
those assets sitting around and could kind of pick and choose
when I wanted to to mess with certain things.
Used Krea, Luma and Runway for it.
The title card was done with Idiogram, but I didn't actually
regenerate that image. I just used the original 1 but
(03:18):
upscaled it and then generated new Motion, which I think I,
yeah, I think it's pretty comparable to the original 1.
I'll dig up the original here onTwitter and and link it in the
thread maybe tomorrow or something.
(03:39):
But yeah. Ricky, what's up?
How have you been? What are you doing?
What are you working on? Working on some CAD, wrote a
chapter of the new project yesterday.
Waiting on all this stuff to turn over Master all three on
Amazon. I have two chapters for Wargate
(04:00):
Part 1 on Royal Rd. but this is the I forget how many days in a
row it's been. I'm trying to post Dragon on
Royal Rd. It's giving me this era 400 over
and over again. Tried it over the weekend, same
crap. Doing it now, same crap.
There's not a lot of usefulness online for what that is.
(04:23):
Why that's happening? Yeah, something on their back
end. Yeah, it's discouraging and I'm
tired of it. I want to put the new book up
and start doing chapters and I can't.
So I'm a little, little frustrated, you know?
I'm wondering if it's a formatting thing in regards to
what you are copying from and what you are pasting to.
(04:47):
It said something about cookies,right?
OK. Yeah, yeah.
But, but I don't know how to affect that.
So it can say that, but I, and if the forums are not, they're
not helpful, immediately helpful, I don't know, maybe
they're not What I'm saying is they're not helpful to me.
Maybe I don't understand what they're talking about.
But either way, I'm just trying to get this done and I don't
(05:12):
care for it, you know? Let me ask you this, what are
you uploading? Are you uploading text or are
you uploading an image? It's it's all that.
It's all that stuff you need to cover.
I'm. I don't have the images
embedded, if that's what you're referring to.
There are different fields. Yeah.
Like tomorrow at 3:00 if Kimberly don't show up.
(05:35):
My goal is to go over this to, like talk about it, but I don't
mind doing a preview on your show.
Sure. So all I'm saying is there's
fields you go to the writer dashboard.
Are you doing, let me ask you this because I, I know I, I'm
generally familiar with what you're talking about.
Are you doing this on a computeror are you doing this on a
(05:58):
mobile device? I'm doing it on a computer
because as best as I can tell, you have no choice but to do it
on a computer. Well.
Best as I can tell, maybe I'm wrong.
Don't they have a mobile app though?
They have a mobile app, but thatdoesn't that doesn't guarantee
I'm going to be able to upload stuff.
It may just be for the readers, you know what I mean?
(06:20):
I don't really know, I'm new. I'm trying to figure it all out.
Let's see, I'm looking it up a little bit too.
So error 400, Bad request. What does it mean?
It means the servers are having trouble handling the load of
everyone trying to put their stuff on at the same time.
Well that seems absurd. My guess the password based log
(06:43):
in error 400. It it's a server side issue of
some kind and it could have to do with the type of image you're
trying to load up there. It could have to do with like
the file size of the image you're trying to load up.
Can you when you're entering theinformation in there, do you
(07:06):
have to load U say everything all at once?
Or could you say load U the textand the title and then come back
in and place your image on a separate upload?
Lamentably, when you first put stuff up, it's there's no save
like certain things like like there's a save function.
I would much care for that because then I could begin my
(07:28):
setup and figure it out, you know?
Are you on the computer that you're using for that currently?
Yeah, and unfortunately I'm working on a CAD job that I got
to get done. No, it's OK.
Do you have discord on that computer or is it on a different
computer? I have discord on my phone, I
don't have it on my. Computer, do you have your cover
image? The same file on your phone.
(07:51):
I have that on the computer, butI still have it somewhere saved
on my phone as well. Well if you want drop that to me
in discord and I'll take a look at that image and if I if I can
convert it either in size or format, maybe that will enable
it. I appreciate it because my guy
(08:14):
sent it. My guy sent it to me.
And when I did, when I did the Wargate book, it's the same
exact format, right. And when I posted Wargate, I
didn't get this. OK, I'm getting I'm getting this
with the dragon cover, so I'm going to drop it in.
(08:36):
Well, I'll put it in yours. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Whatever is easy for you. Yeah, it's a little, it's a
little frustrating and I would love to know like what's going
on, you know? Yeah, oh, the cover looks good.
Thanks. Yeah, and it's within the
parameters that they say, like it's got to be 400 by whatever,
100 pixels, 400 wide, whatever high.
(09:00):
I forget what it is, it says it on the site.
I would investigate further but I like I said, I'm trying to get
this thing out the door for the boss so.
It's all good. Gen. 4 image.
Oh, that's me doing that. What it dunce?
Where did your thing go? Should be right there.
(09:20):
Where's the dragon cover that I just saved?
Where is the dragon cover that Ijust saved?
Oh, geez, I'm making a mess overhere.
Oh, OK. We don't want to.
We don't want to do that. I don't know how to spell
dragon, but I'm going to spell it close to how I think it's
spelled. So let's take this is not a big
(09:41):
file. This is telling me it's 1365 by
2048. Does that sound correct?
Well hold on one second. Let me just open up that doc
where I can get the actual format size.
OK, I'm going to go to the site.It just still take Me 2 seconds.
I got it listed here. Somewhere.
(10:04):
Yeah. So it's according to them, it
has to be at least 400 wide by 600 tall.
But it's that that's the low end, like, So it doesn't have to
be like, it doesn't have to be precisely that because there's a
way, there's a way to scale it, you know what I mean?
It has to be basically 2 by 3. I I if you say so.
(10:27):
Yeah, I think so, yeah. Let's see.
Well, if you're saying 400 by 600, right?
OK, So yeah, this is this is this is 4400 by 602 by three if
we shrink it down. So that's not a problem.
Hey, what's up? Jen is here, dude, come up to
stage because this is who you want to talk to.
(10:50):
Actually, I'm going to send you an invite.
Ricky and Jen, I've been trying to put you guys together.
So this is honestly ideal. What we're doing right now is
messing around with his cover image, trying to see, I don't
(11:12):
see that there should be a problem.
But here's what I'll do. I'm going to shrink this down
for you. I'm just going to make it.
I'm not going to make it 400 by 600.
Well, actually, you know, who cares, right?
I'll make you a couple of them. We'll just do like we'll do like
a couple. I'll do one that's like 400 by
600 for it does it? Here's another question.
(11:35):
Does it say PNG or JPEG format or it doesn't care?
I don't know that it cares, but I also wasn't paying super close
to that either. Yeah, no problem.
I'll just make you like a bunch of them and then.
Thanks and I brought my e-mail in your discord.
I'm just going to drop them intodiscord for you.
(11:56):
I appreciate it. Thank you.
Yeah, no problem. Yeah, actually.
OK, so while I do this, Jen, this is Ricky.
Ricky, this is Jen. Jen has been working on a novel
draft that uses Chat GPTI believe to create a story in the
(12:16):
Warhammer 40K universe, I believe.
Is that right? Yeah, this is the gentleman you
mentioned yesterday. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah.
Hey, hey, What's up, everybody? Yeah, yeah, I'm been using a
Gemini Pro to to try to, you know, write a Warhammer story.
(12:38):
I mostly chose Warhammer mostly because I was getting into the
universe. I didn't really know the
universe and I picked a group and within the universe that I
knew nothing about and I wanted to practice like its ability to
research, research and also integrate, you know, concepts
(12:58):
like lore, ideology, you know, the particular propagandas that
you know, certain groups in Warhammer have since most most
in that universe are, you know, highly ideological, you know,
highly propagandized. So I started writing it.
The first few drafts weren't toogreat, but I'm starting to get a
(13:21):
version of it that is actually pretty strong.
I kind of codified all the rulesand stuff like that on how it
should write, how it shouldn't write, what it should avoid.
Mostly fighting gets its bias and I'm hoping to have a decent
version of Part 1 very soon. I think I have one that's
(13:45):
pretty. It's OK, but you know, it's
still could use some more work and I think once I get those
rules codified for Part 1, I cankind of, you know, do the all
the other parts a lot more quicker.
So yeah, I'm just most apart just looking for feedback
because the AI gives good feedback, but it does seem like.
(14:08):
It's. Feedback doesn't.
It forgets things or underestimates things, or
doesn't read things correctly incomparison to a human and stuff
like that. So all that is just like a real
learning lesson of like what theAI can do, what's its
weaknesses, what's its strengthsand you know, how you navigate
(14:29):
that when you're trying to writesomething.
But I'm I'm curious on how how much you guys use AI in your
writing and stuff like that. Well, I'm a novelist like I'm a
fiction writer and I'm a novelist.
I wrote in the last couple years, I wrote like four or five
novels that 100,000 words. I don't use AI very much for my
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fiction. I use it in part with Michael
for show prep and things like that.
But I don't. I've experimented with chat GTP
in that I write composite poems.I'm trying to write Cyborg poems
that are half written by myself and half written by the AI.
But I don't use it in any meaningful way to compose nor do
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I derive my outlines from it. But I am very interested in your
process. How it is that you you've
refined your prompts and how howdo you acquire also your data
for your novel? Like what's your average chapter
length? What's your ceiling like?
How long is the book going to be?
(15:40):
How long are you going to make it?
Like what are you writing to? So it's going to be at least
around 100K words. I believe Part 1 was around, I
think it's right now it's around20 K words.
It was a lot longer, but it got I definitely condensed it to,
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you know, to improve the pacing,you know, you know, stuff like,
you know, I got really a lot of boring parts, but it was like 40
Ki have Part 2, which should be like maybe 20K or 30K maybe a
little bit longer. So at the end it should be like
100K book or when I you know getto editing at like 100 to 80 K
(16:29):
words. So.
So yeah, it's a big book. Yeah, 100K is is a good size and
it's appropriate for the genre that you're writing that space
opera type of whatever. 40K is dystopic, however you want to
genre genreify it. But yeah, 100, a 100K would be
(16:53):
good. And I don't suppose you have the
how long your average chapter islike you probably don't design
chapters, you probably just write them.
But I'm just curious as to how you're like, would you say it's
like 3006 thousand words? Like how are you?
How are you chopping up the 100 grand?
Yeah, I haven't thought about how much words per chapter, but
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it can range from maybe like so that I think for Part 1, there's
four chapters. So I, I guess it's, I guess it's
5000 words per chapter or close to that, maybe a little less.
(17:38):
Yeah, well, that's, that's a lotof like I, I think George RR
Martin's chapters are between 3:00 and 6:00, but they go
mostly, I think to to 5 or 6K. My chapters are notoriously
short because I designed my pace.
I move by different philosophies, also of what
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chapter length should be. But yeah, it makes sense to me
that they'd be like 5 Ki. Don't know.
I'd love to see your manuscript,man.
That's all I got to say. I'd love to see what you're
doing. Yeah, so I kind of maybe like
pseudo open sourced it. So I have the, the current
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story, the character Bible, like, you know, all the
characters themes. I'm trying to work with stuff
like that story Bible that you know, has all, you know, all the
beats, all the things that are supposed to happen in Part 1,
all the books, you know, the stuff I use for that data
collection to kind of build, make sure that everything's law
(18:42):
compliant. I have a lot of like collections
of writing books, you know how to write well, stuff like that
there. Then I have the condensed
versions because like if you putlike 10 books in the AI, it's
going to kind of slow down a little bit or it's going to kind
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of like you, you, you're taking up a significant amount of its
contacts window. So what you want to do is like,
at least for me is what you, youwant to take those 10 books, ask
all the questions you, you want from it, and then condense that
into a document. So I have a, a couple condensed
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documents. 1 is about the lore. This is about the the Tau part
of the Warhammer universe. It's just condensed lore of
everything possible. You want to know about the Tao
condensed in the document between all the books that's
ever been released from the Tao.I don't think I hit all the
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books though. There may be something that's
then I have like a condensed version of like writing tips and
stuff like that. Long, long list of all the
writing tips that AI should takeaccount of and use and analyze.
And then I have a long list of condensed rules on AI bias
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biases. So AI has a like a lot of
biases, a lot of ways as styles.It's writing that once you've
seen so much writing, and since I've seen so much of it at this
point. I can definitely hear it.
I can definitely pass the turn. I could definitely do a Turing
test and hear a lot of times, probably not poetry.
(20:32):
Poetry is kind of hard, but justgeneral writing.
So just ways to avoid that, you know, also some suggestions
people have given me by reading some of the older versions of
it. So just to kind of avoid that
and you know, some of the cognitive blind spots that I
kind of noticed that it does have when it comes to like
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writing very long form stuff. So I have a long condensed
document on that. So when I begin to write, I
inject, you know, the the lore guide, the character Bibles, the
the current story and the AIAAI bias.
And then, you know, I asked it to summarize.
And then? Tell me like what it thinks and
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you know, then we get to start to writing, rewriting chapters
or figuring out what works and what doesn't.
So I have that and I have the document and I can, I can share
them all. So anyone else wants to take a
look at it or just take a look at the sources and stuff like
that. And yeah, maybe you can
spearmint and try to try to rateyour own.
(21:37):
If you're, you're well, you're free to do so.
I don't know where I could send it, maybe I could like I don't
know if you guys have a group chat or discord or you know.
You know Michael well, I'm sure you trust him, so if you could
send him APDF, I'd love to checkit out.
Yeah. Jen, are you?
Are you in our discord? No for the AI.
(22:02):
Gorillas. No.
Yeah, just. Send me a link, I should be able
to jump in. Yeah, hold on.
Let me let me figure out how to do that while I'm in the middle
of this. Give me a second.
Ian, welcome to stage. I don't think you've been here
before, but I see you're friendswith our friends.
So you know, what are you working on?
(22:24):
What are you doing? What do you think?
You know what? What do you?
What do you? What do you have to say?
Thanks a lot. Actually, yeah, I've been here a
couple of times. I just as a listener though.
Oh, OK. Yeah, people pop in and out.
It's hard to catch working. Yeah.
Cool. Well, welcome up.
Just hearing. What you guys had to say?
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I.
(22:46):
Just actually, yeah, the the bignews I guess I have is I just
released my debut collection of short stories on.
Amazon, Congrats. Put a link into the comments and
the. Reception has been really good,
So awesome. Glad to hear it.
Yeah, like I said, put a put a link into the comments for us.
(23:07):
Yeah, I sure. Will what?
Can you tell us about your collection Short stories?
You said? Yeah, it's a.
Short story collection, kind of like in the same.
It's all speculative and I'd sayas genre adjacent, definitely
(23:27):
respecting genre but not revering it.
So some of those tropes get, youknow, a little wonky, but but
it's a lot like the Twilight Zone, Black Mirror, that kind of
stuff. Emotionally jagged, more weird
(23:47):
than dark, that kind of stuff. Yeah, that's cool.
Sounds good. Yeah, it sounds interesting.
Yeah, for sure. How long have you been working
on it? Well, it's.
I mean, it's a collection of 12 stories, and you know, I've
written a whole bunch of short stories.
That's pretty much what I do more than anything else.
But nice, I guess. I've been messing around with it
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pretty steadily for about a year.
I'm just, you know, compiling and what stories do I want to
put out? That kind of what sort stories
do I want to add to the collection?
That kind of thing. Man, look at all the people
coming in. If you guys want to come up,
grab a mic. We're just chatting.
Finally connected. Jen and Ricky.
This was huge. This was massive.
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Ian up on stage for the first time, even though he says he's
been a listener and we haven't necessarily seen him hanging out
before, but he's he's here. That's good, you know, for you
guys, you know, grab a mic if you want to.
You know how this works. OK.
This isn't your first time here.I don't have to do all the work.
You do some of the work. You could meet me halfway.
You do 50%, I do the other 50%. Yeah.
(24:57):
Trying to think of, oh, we lost him.
See, that's how bad the reception is in the Ozarks.
He just fell off. Good Lord, I meant to.
Ask him if he was the and that Iknow that I do reads with but I
was waiting for an opportunity to to find out because I if
that's the case he changed his profile picture and stuff so you
don't recognize. His voice.
He's back. Oh, he's back.
(25:18):
Well. I think it's just a reception.
Hey Ian, are you the and that I do reads with with MJ and all
that. You're a chef too.
You write superhero fiction. Is that is this the same Ian but
I just get a thumbs up I. Don't know, I didn't catch that.
Are you that Ian? But you it is, yeah.
Same guy, OK. Yeah, I, I thought so you
(25:40):
changed your profile picture andstuff.
So I, I didn't know at first, but what's up, man?
Oh, nothing. I'm just, you know, like I say,
just we're out in the Ozarks. We had a little cabin up here
and so we're just kind of hanging out for a few days.
I. I can tell everyone in this room
that Ian's got a voice for like,miles.
(26:03):
And please drop your link for your book, man.
Like, people should buy this book.
I've never heard anything Ian has read that didn't blow me
away. It's just a fact.
OK, so buy. Buy his damn book.
I don't know what to tell you. I praise.
Oh, thank you, man. Thank you very much.
Yeah, I put it in. I, I put it in the.
(26:25):
I put it in the thread link. Same thing.
So I put a link in there. So whoa, it says show probable
spam. Uh oh.
Geez, Ian, you're a troublemaker.
That's what I'm trying. To do, sorry.
I'm I'm spamming. Myself, it's fine.
I don't care, you know, I'm finewith it.
(26:48):
Yeah, I like spam. That's how they make that spam.
And then we. Lost.
We lose you on all the punch lines.
Whenever the the informational component of the message is
about to hit, that's when they're cutting you off.
The Ozarks doesn't want us to know the depth of your your
message. Yeah.
(27:11):
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a difficult thing.
So but anyway, yeah, it's, but no, I'm really happy with the
way it came out and, and, and it's been really, really well
received and, and all that. So I'm kind of excited to see
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what's next. I'm working on on another, on a
new, another collection as well.So I don't know when that's
coming out, but that's going to be kind of a superhero
deconstruction, OK. So we're thinking somewhere
along the lines of the boys, certainly.
Elements of the Boys and Elements of Invincible and and,
(27:53):
but it's not certainly not as gory.
A little more philosophic all. Right.
So that's. That'll be I'll be working on
that shortly as well your. Superman Inversion is a
meditating hermit. That's a nail on the head.
That's what it is right there. My Wonder Woman is a is a dog
(28:14):
Walker and, well, you. Know we'll see when it comes
out. So you put it out on KDPI?
Assume anywhere else I did. What other plans do you have for
it? Have you thought about an audio
book? Yeah, I'd love.
To have an audio book, I, I, I wouldn't even know how to start
doing that. So I'd have to look into it
first. How do you can teach her?
(28:34):
Oh yeah. Yeah, she's about to wrap one
up. Oh, cool.
Oh yeah, you. Mentioned that in the last I
think in one of the last episodes.
I was in. I listened to anyway.
Yeah, Heidi. 'S just about done.
I I listened to it, I finished it maybe not quite a month ago,
but last month perhaps. And you know, it's, it's almost,
(28:58):
it's almost ready. Yo, Heidi's coming up.
The gang's all here. We're all hanging out.
Clawson's popping in. We had, oh, you know, gosh, if I
could go back and dig and get his.
I don't know if I'll be able to.I don't know how long, how far
back on the timeline that is, but we did a podcast session.
(29:22):
He's got a new book that is coming out or is out.
I don't remember what is it? Is it coming out or is it out?
I don't recall. Heidi, it's it it's pending.
It's so I'm. Yeah, I'm in here right now
instead of working on it. So that's that's where I'm at.
Well. You think about that.
(29:43):
Ricky's back up, though. All of a sudden, Ricky, did we
gain you back? How did you get up here?
It dumped me at a speaker for some reason.
I was listening the whole while.Were you asking me?
I had the book coming out. No, no.
No, Clawson's got the book. That's.
Dig it. Yeah, pending.
(30:03):
Heidi went in the kitchen. Look at that.
She lost signal. I know that's what she did.
She was like, well, I'll just take a little break from working
on this audio book and I'll get some tea.
But I'll join this space right before I go in the kitchen so
that as soon as I start talking,it'll disconnect me.
And then that'll be a funny little trick that everybody
(30:24):
likes to play that she likes to play.
One little trick. There's an error adding Heidi.
It says she is in the kitchen and cannot connect.
Take a lap. Heidi, shut down your app.
Shut down your app and come backin and get out of the kitchen.
Can you hear me? Thumbs up if you can hear me.
(30:46):
Heidi, close down your app. She says I just got a message
from her. Says yes, literally in the
kitchen. Heidi, I you have to take a lap.
I can't approve you. Wait.
Oh, wait. Third time might be the charm.
She can now speak. Heidi is on stage.
We do. We have you, Heidi.
(31:06):
I got claw up here all of a sudden somehow.
I don't know how that happened. Who's up?
Who's active, who's talking? Can anybody talk right now?
So dawg. Hey.
How did you get up here? I'm sorry.
Guy just requested. Oh, did you?
I just requested. To speak.
Oh, that's. OK, that's funny, 'cause it said
Heidi, but fine. Yeah, welcome back.
You know the but when is the book coming out or is it out?
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It's coming. Out on the solstice.
They started on June 20th, it seems.
It seems fitting because, you know, it's a book about a hot
place in the dead of summer. So I just, it kind of just it
kind of clicked. I'm with it.
It just made sense. I had a few changes I had to do
to it, so it made more sense that way, yeah.
(31:54):
I'm cool with it. Yeah.
Pray for the birds. That's the title, right?
Yeah. Hold on.
One second no. Problem Heidi.
She's out of the kitchen. I never was in the kitchen you
sent me. That message just a second ago
that said I'm in the kitchen, I said.
I was not in the kitchen, it said I.
Am 100% in the kitchen. Laugh emoji, Laugh emoji, Crying
(32:17):
laugh emoji. OK, well in, in, in the magical
bizarro world, that's the message I sent you.
No, I was on here and it just crashed and then I couldn't get
back in and it was crazy. It was the the apps glitching
because I'm literally I am. I'm literally sitting two feet
away from the Wi-Fi box. So I'm, I'm supposedly in the
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absolute best place in my house with our, with our crappy Wi-Fi.
That's Gavin. Newsom's America for you.
Hey, if it. Makes you if it makes you feel
better, the power grid in my town just went down earlier so
because it's like 100 years old.So I was just getting out of the
gym, just barely and power in the gym, which is which is cool.
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It's my favorite. Well, makes you feel.
Any better? They're trying to burn us down.
We got to do something about allthis.
Background noise, Clawson Sorry,hold on.
I'm going to my car. That's why OK, we don't have.
To go in the car though, So whatI was saying.
Before is I'm I'm in here instead of working on the audio
book. But thank you for shaming me.
(33:25):
I don't know if I got that before I crashed.
It's fine. You're almost done.
I know, I know. So I'll waste.
Another 20 minutes, right? What's the big deal, you know?
I don't know at this point. It's been a year, you know.
What's, what's 20 minutes? I don't know, right?
No, it's going to come out. No.
(33:47):
You know the challenges. I've faced the misery, I've been
through the long-suffering days and nights, but you're almost
there. Yeah, the audio book.
You're right at the finish line.No big.
Deal. You know?
Yeah, as soon as you get it ready and you know when it's
gonna, when you're like, when you're like ready to steal home
(34:09):
from third base, that's when we'll do the podcast session
I've got. 12 chapters. Good Lord.
That's not close out of 46. Chapters.
That's 1/4 of the book. No, it's not.
Yes, it is. OK, So OK, let's.
Let's play this game. So what is 46 divided?
(34:32):
By 12 is it? 12 or is it 12 / 40?
It'd be the percentage. It'd be 4612 / 46.
That's not 1/4 of the book. It's very close to 1/4 of the.
Book Heidi. It's closer than you're going to
want to admit, but The thing is,they're recorded.
(34:53):
What? No, it's all.
Recorded. I have 12 more chapters go
through. To edit.
Yeah, right. And.
I'm in one of them where it looks like I'm going to have to
it. It's I've got all these the
scratchy noises. I think it's peaking.
I think is the term what that would technically be used.
So I'm have to be recorded. You're getting a little bit of
(35:15):
like. Digital artifacts because you're
going into the red, you're clipping.
Yeah, well, it gets like a it's.Like a scratchy noise.
I don't know how to explain it sounds like rubbing, like
rubbing or scratching or some kind, you know, like some little
demons in there playing around. It's digital clip.
What was the? What?
(35:37):
Was the was it you? Michael was telling me about the
stat about how many people listen to audiobooks versus
reading or or digital, maybe print or digital.
I don't know it. Was like, it's a lot.
Right. I mean how?
Many audio books I I'm wondering, 'cause I need to, I
need to look at getting my book recorded here.
By the way, hopefully the background sound is down
(35:57):
considerably. I just have my AC going, that's
about it. So we.
Understand the AC in Arizona, it's 100 and it's 104.
Degrees currently and it's probably going to come to 109
today. So woof.
No, thank you. You.
Can keep it. It's a cooler summer day.
Actually, believe it or not, so.Yeah.
I. I I actually told.
My wife, you know, I'm a little bit, it's a little bit sad when
(36:20):
I, when we move, we're moving next month and when I'm no
longer in the desert, it'll be sad because I'm not going to
have the inspiration to, you know, to derive from from my
next book because I won't be like.
You know. It's easy to write a desert, you
know, a desert fantasy book whenyou're literally living in the
(36:40):
desert and you have to walk out in the, you know, the oven every
day. So it makes it a little bit
easier. You put the next book.
In a new setting you just pick adifferent environment.
I wish bro this. Is this I'm I'm going for
thematic here? I'm not.
I'm not gonna, you know, there'sno, there's no ice.
(37:00):
There's no desert planet ice. Planet.
Rainforest. Planet.
No, no, it's. Unfortunately for unfortunately
for everyone involved, all for my imaginary characters, they're
all stuck in hell, which is in my opinion it's anything over
120°. I actually when I wrote it,
funny enough, Arizona has a veryinteresting, the monsoon
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patterns are because of high elevation, like a high elevation
elevation rim that borders the desert.
And that's what happens is the moisture from like California
comes over, pushes over the mountains, and then the heat
pushes that up into clouds and that's what creates the
monsoons. And I was doing a lot of
research on the Nile and on Egypt when I was writing a book
(37:44):
and I realized that I almost, I felt so bad because I, I know
what it's like to live like we had 100° a hundred days last
year where it didn't break below120° and no rain.
It was the hottest summer on record last year in Arizona.
And I thought to myself, I'm like, if I put my characters, I
even know, I can imagine if there was no moisture at all, if
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there's no monsoons and there's no relief.
And because there's a delta and there's a high like Highlands
above the kind of main city where the most historic takes
place. I, I empathize so much on the
characters. I had to put in something.
I was like, I got to do something about this.
It was like one of the dumbest reasons I feel like that I put
it in, but I, I kind of figured I'm like, you know, how long
could you live in a city that's like 120 a 130° in the desert,
(38:32):
you know, for that long. So give them a drink.
So did you do the math on that? I'm not.
Talking to you anymore? Yeah, well, cope seethe.
Fine, you can be correct. Yeah, can I?
Thank you. I'll be right on this point, OK?
Yeah, 26. Percent well.
(38:54):
Just never mind, OK? I have 20. 6% left.
To go, Yeah. That's not that bad.
It's. Not like, no, it is what it is.
It's a lot better than it was, say, last week.
Yeah, get it done. Which was probably closer to 50.
Percent. Really.
Yeah. Probably.
(39:15):
You're working your way through.My notes.
I'm working. My way through your notes.
OK I'm in chapter 33 and I'm real and I got annoyed because I
realized I'm going to have to rerecord some of it.
I can't fix it. That's how it goes so.
I had to take a break. Yesterday you were too
frustrated to. Continue soldiering on.
(39:38):
You know, it's like. It's, it's a lot to ask creative
people not to get emotional sometimes.
I mean, I don't know what to say.
It's the reality of it. No, I know I'm in a room full of
men who are probably laughing their heads off at that
statement. But yeah, it does happen
occasionally. Anyway, no.
(40:02):
So I'm, I'm working on it and I'm, I'm, I'm hell bent on
getting it done because but you know, it has a lot of moving
pieces in life as you know, I don't know what to tell you.
It's hard. It's hard to do it.
It's not like I've got everybody, someone else managing
(40:22):
the rest of my life. So such is things.
And I have, you know, people to make lunches and dinners for.
What do I do? What did you make?
For lunch. Today.
The request was eggs. Nobody really eats breakfast in
this house 'cause I live in a house.
I mean, if they're eating. Eggs.
It's essentially breakfast. Yeah, but it's breakfast at.
(40:45):
Like noon, it's lunch for. It's breakfast for lunch, you
know that's right. Sure.
They requested this so you know it's not like it's a hard meal.
But anyway, yes, figure it's theleast I can do.
But yeah. No.
So I got to go work on that and I'm.
(41:08):
You know, we did the screw tape letter thing.
Yesterday. That's all we you know.
It went. Pretty well, there was a you
know, I'll, I'll tell you it. I like doing spaces where you're
that that's a that particular book or group of letters,
because it's really just like a group of newspaper articles that
(41:29):
he published as letters and someone just came in.
So he did. He showed me that last night.
At some point he solved the Rubik's Cube.
No, that's good. Does that mean that you stopped
beating him? Yeah, It's.
Not even funny. I'm funny, no.
(41:53):
So the letters, it's interestingwhen you're it really.
It's really nice to kind of, it's like a book club, but not
what's nice about it is you can read one letter and then discuss
it. It'd be a lot harder to do that,
say with a book and a space. So some of the conversations can
get really meaningful, especially when you're looking
at CS Lewis, right. So I enjoy that a lot because,
(42:17):
you know, it's a lot of food forthought, which, you know, feeds
my own writing and my own sort of, you know, way I'm
approaching things. So that's it's real positive on
that thing. And I, you know, it's a good
smart group of people chatting about CS Lewis, what could go
wrong, you know, what do you do?So it's good.
(42:38):
I like those spaces. We're about done.
I think we have like 3 more letters to go, so maybe two or
three or more of those spaces. So if you guys.
Catch them. They're kind of.
Fun, I mean, if you like CS Lewis, like listening to
Englishman chat about it, it's it's pretty good so.
(42:59):
Yeah. I don't want to listen to
Englishman talk. At all, to be honest.
Yeah, I know, I know. I I.
Know. I know I will.
I know you're not. You don't much like that.
Here's a funny thing. Oxford accent.
I've been watching. This 24/7 gardening channel and
it's an English guy. Well, the the English garden.
(43:21):
It's a thing, you know, It's been a thing for a long time.
Yeah. I mean the.
English garden is a beautiful. Thing you you're going to have
to let that you know they they they almost speak the same
language almost, but. Fairly not, not.
Really. Fair.
Enough. What's the?
What's my line? You know, I usually say the
(43:41):
English people, you know, I don't speak English.
I'm American. Yeah, the.
The one that really got me is they have.
I've been really focused on the silent H for a while.
Just by the nature of herb. Herbs no.
(44:03):
Yeah, that's. Not a silent H like in America
it is, but in England it's not. And then you have something like
honor, you know, my favorite on both sides of.
The Pond. Pronunciation is Lieutenant.
Yeah, trying to figure. Out where the F?
(44:24):
Is in Lieutenant, you know, where is that F, But I don't
know. I don't have to tell you.
Yeah, I'm, you know. Fine with it so long as I.
Don't have to hear it you. Know reading it is actually not
a problem, but gosh these. Audio books with.
(44:47):
English readers, just the worst punishment, truly.
Really bad. For you?
Really. Rough, not like the.
Mid-Atlantic accent, even if thebook was written.
By an Englishman less. Less annoying.
Less marginally. Less.
(45:11):
Audio books with English accents.
I'm just I just you're, you're adelight.
I can't tell you. He's giving me a bad time.
Because my villains and my my audio book have English accents,
just FYI. No, I actually that wasn't the.
Connection I was making oh but. You see you.
(45:32):
You feel guilty. I know, I know the other
connection. But I'm not bringing that one up
like. I'm going to get I'm going to
get raked over the coals for my English accent.
Oh, I've done it. I did it for a.
Character. When I did The Cask of
Amontillado, I didn't, I think, I think.
(45:55):
Well, you know, it depends. I, I don't really care.
I, you know, it's kind of like the, the Dick Van Dyke Mary
Poppins thing where all the English absolutely are appalled.
Dick Van Dyke's Cockney accent. But you know, us Americans,
probably the same view that WaltDisney had of it where he sort
of said, who the hell cares? You know?
(46:15):
You know, I mean, a bunch of people in a, in a country the
size of the state of Washington seem to be offended.
I don't care. I got to move.
These these. Movies, you know, that's the
thing. Well, you know, it's it's good
to. Offend the English every now and
then. You know, they, they, they, they
respect you if they don't have no respect for you, if you're
(46:36):
just nice at them. So possible it's.
Possible. You got to.
You got to. Give it to them every now and
then. Well.
You know, as it is because we'rein the home stretch, we are
getting close for people that are hanging out listening.
If you want to come up to stage,you're welcome to while we get
(47:00):
close to the end here. Otherwise, Ian Gin, if you have
thoughts, comments, things you'dlike to kick out into the ether,
this is this is your chance. Yeah.
Hey, I just want to say I. May have this skedaddle soon,
but we're going to wrap up on the hour so you.
Know we're all going to be doingthat.
(47:22):
No, but yeah. No, I'm just excited to read
first, like meet everybody and also decided to maybe
potentially read your read everybody's stuff.
You know, I think, you know, I have my own little project and I
think if it goes a little well, I can finally, you know, get on
(47:43):
to my own books other than what I'm writing right now, you know,
not based on someone else's IP. And I'm excited to do that.
As for audio books, I have my own route for audiobooks.
Yeah, I've been looking at a lotof the different audio tools.
(48:03):
I've seen some good examples of how it can be generated
effectively alongside of sound effects and stuff like that.
So I think what I what I have now, once I get to a good state,
you know the conversion into audiobook would be the the
(48:24):
easiest thing I can possibly do.OK, I mean, I'm.
Still going to do all the mixingbuddy.
Well, you could. You could hire.
Someone you can go into ACX and hire a narrator.
No, he's talking about generating.
All of them. Oh, he's going to do an AI?
(48:45):
Generation of it I are those I'mthey have to be viable.
They have to be. They have to be accepted by some
platforms now because, yeah, like Audible is offering that
now through Amazon. Are they?
Yeah, they. Started a few months.
Back I can't imagine. I mean, it'd be interesting to
(49:07):
hear what it would do. You're not up on that.
The voices and the inflection isgetting very, very good.
Yeah, I know. You've told me this.
Before I mean like there's, I mean like.
In the last month, it's. Amazing.
I'm sorry, Jen. I don't mean to keep talking.
I just, I will stop. But yeah, I'll.
(49:28):
I don't know, I'm kind of torn on that one.
Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, there's a lot of new
tools. That's why I'm a little bit more
excited about it. There's a lot of new tools, some
that are more locally based thatare high quality.
It's not just, you know, 11 labs, 11 labs used to dominate
the space and was quite expensive too.
(49:50):
So now that there's more tools and things are kind of the, the
price is kind of coming down, you know, it's more excited to
kind of experiment on. I don't know, I, I didn't mean
to offend anyone by saying it was stumpy or anything, but you
didn't. I'm just.
No, no, no, I'm, I'm just commenting on like generating
(50:12):
all the text is the easy part. Generating sound effects is also
the easy part. But what is going to be a lot of
work is the mixing and masteringand editing and exporting that.
That is not, that's not automatic.
That's going to be like it's a one to one translation in terms
(50:34):
of having to listen to the actual runtime.
But we're not going to go too far down that because we're
going to kind of wrap things up.Ricky, you came up Ian, if you
guys have any final comments, thoughts, additions you want to
make, this is this is the time to do that, you know, just.
(50:55):
Thanks for having me on and yeah.
I realized it was my. Phone that was the issue.
So I got on my computer and everything seems to be just
fine. So, yeah, yeah, very good.
But yeah, but thanks for having.Me on thanks for letting me talk
a little bit about what I'm doing and and I love hearing
(51:15):
about what everyone else is doing too.
And yeah, if I if I go down thatroad where I do want some, you
know, advice on an instruction on how to get an audio book
done, I'll definitely reach out to y'all.
Yeah, for sure. We do this every two weeks here.
(51:37):
Ricky, Heidi and I also host theWriter's Block on Tuesdays,
which is a thematic discussion you know in.
The middle of. The day.
Any final comments from you guys?
Otherwise, you know. We'll wrap it up.
This has gone well. You know, we've ripped, we're
(52:00):
at, we're at the end of the session any.
Check out Book of Master Off. Volume 1, it's in the purple
fill. It's the Eternity series.
Yeah, that's about it. Thanks a lot, Michael, for the
opportunity. Dope.
Hey. Well, this has been a joy, and
(52:25):
we'll talk again before too long.
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