October 31, 2025 • 53 mins
The horror genre is a beloved one, and it is teeming with multitudes of subgenres. We explore all of these subgenres in this week’s movie draft. From slashers to paranormal to monster movies and more, the exploration of our fears and anxieties are taken on in these various forms. We draft everything from old classic Universal monster movies to modern horror hits and everything in between.
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It wasn't closely. What's the secret thing?
Just got to find something you love to do and then do it for
the rest of your life. I don't want to be a product of
my environment, I want my environment to be a product of
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me. Hello and welcome.
To the Establishing Shot podcastwhere?
We do deep dives into directors and their filmographies.
I am your host Eli Price, and weare here on episode 117 of the
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podcast. But it is a bit of a different
kind of season in the podcast. I do still have to wrap up the
Spielberg series with the epilogue episode.
And I believe last episode I said that was going to be this
episode, but I lied. So sorry about that.
I am going to be getting around to recording that episode soon.
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So hopefully that will be the next episode, and then you'll
probably see that we will take abreak maybe for the rest of the
the year. I haven't really decided if I'm
going to release anything else yet.
I might do kind of a recap on the century so far, kind of go
through my maybe top 21 movies of the 21st century so far, do
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something like that just for fun.
And so we'll see if I get aroundto that, Hopefully I will.
But if not, then life is just being life.
And yeah, you know, I'll get around to it if I can.
Life is pretty crazy right now. And so the podcast is going
getting a little slower for me right now.
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So I would really appreciate if you can do that.
Yeah. So this episode, it is
Halloween. So happy Halloween to everyone
out there. We are going to be releasing an
A movie draft that we did in conjunction with, I think it was
in the the episode for The Dark Knight Rises.
It didn't really have anything to do with The Dark Knight
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Rises. It just happened to be spooky
season during that episode. And so we did this draft.
And so my guest for that draft was Zachary Lee.
You can find his work, He does alot of writing for
rodgerebert.com amongst other publications.
I believe he is part of the Chicago Critics, whatever their
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kind of critic group is called now.
So Zachary is awesome guy. I always enjoy having him on.
But yeah, so this is going to bea horror sub genre draft.
So we take the the various sub genres of horror and draft
movies. We have to have one for each sub
genre category. And so I'll explain that as we
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get into the episode. But yeah, I hope you enjoy this
episode and enjoy mine and Zachary's choices.
But yeah, let's get into that. We, we've got a really fun movie
draft. It's going to be different than
any movie draft we've done before.
So I hope, I hope we can both figure this out and do it.
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I've planned it in my mind. But yes, we'll pick like a
category or a topic that is in amovie and we'll just kind of go
back and forth and draft movies that fall into that category.
But this time I wanted to do something related to horror.
We're in October. I couldn't think of a good movie
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draft relating to Dark Knight Rises necessarily because we've
already done the DC1, we've donethe villains draft and The Dark
Knight episode. And so I was like, man, what are
we going to do? And I was like, well, it's
coming to the end of October when this is releasing.
And so let's do a horror movie draft of some sort.
So we, we kind of decided that we would do a horror subgenre
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draft. And so basically what we're
going to do, I, I found an article by no Film school that I
can link it in the, in the show notes if anyone's interested.
But it kind of breaks down the subgenres of horror.
Probably not like all of the subgenres, but like the the main
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ones. And so it has like main
categories and then like sub, main sub genres and then like
sub genres within the sub genre and in that article.
And so, but we're going to go with the main sub genres.
So we're going to basically whatwe're going to do is still the
same concept. We want to draft, you know, the
best team of movies so that we can win the votes when when it
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goes public. But what we're going to do,
instead of just going back and forth and drafting from a big
pool of movies, we're going to have to draft one movie in each
of these sub genres. And so we don't have to draft
the genres in a particular order, but we do have to fill
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one movie per per category. And so I'm going to list these
categories so that everyone can know what they are.
They are psychological horror, killer or slasher horror, gore
or disturbing horror, monster horror, paranormal and then
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miscellaneous, which miscellaneous kind of covers
stuff that doesn't necessarily fit into that other stuff.
So when you can think of like there's horror comedy or there's
like found footage horror and a few other like kind of like sub
genres that maybe don't necessarily fit into those
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others, those all fun fall undermiscellaneous.
And then I figured too, we couldget a wild card so that we could
get an extra favorite in there. So that's 12345677 choices that
we've got to make their seven movies.
So yeah, I hope everyone is following what we're doing here.
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I hope I explained it clearly. Basically we're we've got to
draft 1 horror movie from each of these subgenres.
And yeah, so Zachary's going to kick it off with the first pick.
Where are you going to go? There's there's some extra
strategy here because you want to get the best films, but you
also want to like figure out which category you want to put
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it in. I know, right?
Yeah. And I will say it's, it's
interesting 'cause I like, you know, per my Chicken Run story
from earlier this episode, I think.
Yeah, I was not big into the horror genre until honestly, I'd
say last year, maybe the little bit the year before.
So a lot of my horror watches are newer.
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So I don't know. I'm, I'm curious to see you
though how that'll work in my favour for the listeners of the
Establishing Shop podcast, if they're more traditional old
school horror film loyalists or they're, they're, they're down
with the the modern stuff too. So yeah, we'll see how it lands.
It'll be a learning experience for me too because I have no
idea. Yeah, I know we're testing the
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fuelers out, you know, for doingsome crowdsourcing info here
that yeah, you know, I'll go, you know, I'll just go straight
for the for the gnarly, the the the gore disturbing film, you
know, just because you know why?Why not actually wait, sorry to
me. Can you cut that and go back?
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I realized maybe it's better I should say the film 1st and then
I'll do the segment. Is that better or it it?
Doesn't matter to me. OK, cool.
You know what? I'll just, I'll just do it.
I'll just repeat it. It'll be fine.
Sorry, I was I think in my mind I was like oh should I say the
film 1st and then do the? No, I think either way is fine
if you want to tease it with thewith the with the category first
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or just go straight into the movie it demos.
Straight into it. OK, cool.
It doesn't matter. Either way, sorry to me for
that. No worries.
Well, this won't be too tough toedit out in the bigger part of
it. But yeah, I know for my first
pick, I'll go in line with the newer films.
I'll go with Brandon Cronenberg's Possessor.
So this was released in 2010. Yeah.
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It's, I mean, disturbing body horror.
Takes after his dad in a lot of ways, but has his own, you know,
twisted take on it. I think.
Andrea Risen, bro. Right.
And then Christopher Abbott are in it and phenomenal, great
stuff. And so I'll I'll slap that into
the the gore disturbing film category perspect.
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So yeah, yeah, I haven't seen that one.
I'm trying to think too like if I've seen any Cronenberg of him
or his dad's. I don't know that I have.
It's just one of those kind of like I don't have like an
expansive like horror genre likeknowledge either.
Like I've tried to catch up withmore and more over the years,
but but yeah, I don't think the Cronenberg's are.
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I don't think I've seen any of them.
So yeah, that's definitely a blind spot for me.
Honestly, you will probably sleep better.
I'm not. It's like once a year.
I can appreciate the film for the themes that Hazen's trying
to say, but it's one of those like, well, I guess I'll have to
wrestle with my soul for a little bit.
See this. Yeah, it's.
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Yeah. But, you know, curious.
Yeah, I, I caught up with a a particular film this past week,
knowing that this was coming andfeeling like I should watch this
and I feel like I would have slept better if I would have
left it. But we'll see if I drafted at
some point. I'm going to go with probably
what I think is one of the just probably the one of the most
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iconic horror movies. I'm going to go with Psycho in
the psychological horror. I mean, it's right there in the
the name of the movie, the genrethat's perfect.
I, you know, I just feel like Psycho and Hitchcock, for one,
like it's, it's a master class in suspense building.
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And like, yeah, that psychological horror of just
what's going on with Phil Bates and his mom.
Like, yeah, it's, it's very disturbing.
So I just think it's, yeah, it'sit's to me, it's a master class
of suspense by the master of suspense, Alfred Hitchcock.
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So yeah, of course go with Psycho.
And there's some really good ones I had written down for that
category, So it was kind of hardto choose.
But yeah, that's what I'm gonna go with.
There we go. That's great.
Yeah, I'll. Oh, OK, let me see here seeing
you. You went out swinging with that
one. So now I'm like, oh, I gotta
think about these other categories now.
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I'll go with. OK, so next film, older film.
So one of the, I think probably no, actually it might not be the
oldest, maybe second, second oldest title that's on here for
me. Also near addition to my heart
as I saw it. I saw it for the first time this
year, but I saw its sequel first.
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And then I saw it, so I. Don't know.
I don't know if that was the right way to do it, but it is
the 1992 film Candy Man. Yeah.
I yeah, I saw it for the first time at a a small arts theatre
in DC when I was staying there. And yeah, I mean, you know, and
I love NIA Decosta's film from acouple years ago.
I thought it was great. And, you know, I'm being from
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Chicago and having witnessed thegentrification and, yeah,
changing of the Cabrini Green neighborhood.
A lot of the the film really stuck to me.
But I think, yeah, I don't know.I just in in similar themes of
what we were talking about Eli and the podcast about
generational sin and trauma and violence and what it looks like
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to have it, you know, and like, you know, you know, privileged
people and like the way they like want to Co opt or turn
other people suffering into likea a thesis or a project, you
know, and I don't know, like what they unleash with that.
I felt like very timely and relevant and still very scary
and fits neatly in the slasher genre, which is where I'll place
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my pick there for the next film.So yeah.
So yeah, Candy Man, the 1990, the first one that came out.
Yeah, that was on my list for Slasher.
I don't know if I would have drafted it, but necessarily
because I have one or two more that I like a little bit more.
But yeah, that that is, I think that's probably one of my top
slasher films. Yeah, for sure.
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It's it's great. Yeah, I did see the the kind of,
I guess it's kind of like AI guess it's a sequel.
It feels like half sequel. Yeah, it feels like half reboot,
half sequel, half sequel becauseit's yeah, but yeah, it's it was
OK. Yeah, I thought it was really
well made. I didn't like some of the
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choices, but yeah, the the original 92 version is very good
and like, like, yeah, just really good, like disturbing
filmmaking going on in it. So yeah, OK, OK, this is playing
out interesting because like, yeah, I feel like I can wait on
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ones that you've already draftedon categories because you've
already drafted in them. But then again, like you can
draft, you might be able to draft a movie you know in a
category because some of them fit into multiple, right?
That that was what was fun and interesting is like, oh, where
do they like slot and fit? Like I could put, you know, I
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don't know, like Candyman into like, was that partly
psychological? And no, you know, yeah, so or
monster, even if you think aboutit in a way.
Yeah, that's true. OK, Where am I going to go here?
You know, I think, I think I am going to go ahead and just draft
my favorite. I think what I would say is like
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my favorite horror movie ever inthe miscellaneous category.
There we go. Because it's a found footage
film and that is The Blair WitchProject.
I love The Blair Witch Project. It is like so creepy, so
disturbing and like even just like the mythos surrounded of
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like people like thinking it wasreal when they saw it and like
back in the day. Like, yeah, I, I just think it's
like a really like a really goodlike piece of horror filmmaking,
but really just like a unique phenomena of like filmmaking in
general, in general terms. So yeah, The Blair Witch
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Project, which was 99, it was inthat that very strong year of
1999. So, but yeah, I'm I'll put it in
miscellaneous, which covers the the found footage genre.
No, that's great. I have not seen that.
But it's, you know, reputation precedes it so very much it's
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what's 1 of that? I want to kind of get to yeah,
OK, interesting. All right, so miscellaneous
category there. I honestly, I thought you're
going to say like paranormal activity initially or something
like that. I don't know.
I don't even know if that's likeshot and found footage or or
will, which wouldn't no, no dissto those films, but yeah, I I
was like, Oh yeah, clear witch like the revolutionary found
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footage horror for like of course that would be oh, this is
tough. OK, now I'm like like double
checking like is this even? Does it even count?
I might come back to that later.I'll go with.
OK, so in the in the vein of Blair Witch and, you know, found
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footage technique, maybe it applies.
So I've another film in preparation for the sequel that
came out this year to the film, which is where I found.
I feel like all these legacy sequels are giving me an excuse
to like watch the Ogs for the first.
Time. You know, things like that, but
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I'm going to go with the 81 the Evil Dead film for next pick.
And you know, we're talking about found footage, that sorts
of thing. I don't know, like I feel like
so much can be said about the fun camera angles that are
there. You know, like I think the way
it's it embodies such an off kilter sort of, you know,
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ambiance and and personality to it.
I mean it even goes further withlike the second one, the whole
tree stuff. I'm I will caveat, I'm not a big
fan of that. I don't really know what the
whole point of that was in this movie.
But as far as paranormal, which is where this falls under goes,
I've really I don't know. It's like, it's one of those
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films where like, it's it, it could be miscellaneous because
it's also very funny, but it's, I don't know, like classic, like
cabin friends or like, you know,there's this like there's no
going back. You just have to fight them.
There's a dread element that's there I I enjoy.
Yeah. So I'll go with Evil Dead for my
paranormal film. Paranormal.
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OK, yeah, that's actually another blind spot that like
it's one of those that like, I probably, I might end up
watching it this October sometime.
Yeah. Someone that I've always wanted
to get around to. And you, I know for sure there's
one of my friends that like loves like Sam Raimi horror.
And so like you might have won avote with that one for sure.
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I've gotten I got one vote potentially.
OK, so I think, I know, I think at this point in the draft like
my strategy is pretty set. I'm going to, I'm going to go
ahead and draft a movie that I caught up with I think last
year, the year before, a classichorror movie in Frankenstein,
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the original Frankenstein, I want to say 19th in the monster
category. I was like honestly, honestly
like it was I was watching some of these older like monster
movies because I was like, I want to catch up with some of
these classics. It was kind of like a more
homework kind of endeavor. And I was actually like blown
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away by Frankenstein. Like the set pieces and stuff
like are definitely of its time,but somehow hold up and fit the
atmosphere. And then like the just the ideas
that are being dealt with about humanity, what makes a human
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human is really interesting. And like, even like there's
moments of like like really deepemotional, like resonance in
this movie that like totally caught me off guard.
And so it's, it's become one of my, my personal favorites.
And so, yeah, I'm doing, yeah, Frankenstein and Monster.
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Which? What year was that one again, at
least? 1931. 31 OK, great.
I'm adding it to the watch list right now.
Another blind spot, but the poster's classic, you know.
And yeah, it, it honestly, like,it honestly blew me away.
I was not expecting to love it as much as I did.
And like, I finished it and I was like, man, that's, I think I
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have it rated like a 4 1/2 star,like, so, yeah, yeah.
Fantastic. Great.
Yeah. Well, this is me just
desperately trying to form connections and bounce off of
between our picks. But I know is it's a black and
white film. Is that am I correctly for?
But in my mind, Frankenstein is always portrayed with some
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elements of green on. On Frankenstein, of course, I'm
in the classroom, say Frankenstein's monster is always
portrayed with some elements of green on him.
And so that ties in nicely for my next pick, which is the 2015
film Green Room. So that was who was that?
Jeremy Saulnier is the director for that.
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It was a no, they're a 24 film, so you know, you kind of know
what you're getting there. But I man, I saw this for the
first time last year, also on Hulu, which shout out Hulu.
They have some great films just on their both their original
content and they're just the ones that they get.
But I it's it's about a kind of a punk band that travel are
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doing shows and then they end updoing this one show, which ends
up being this bar where these neo Nazis hang out, which is led
by was it Patrick Stewart as like the head neo Nazi, which is
just like, I don't know, played against type for him.
I'm just used to seeing him being like, you know, the
elegant professor X or yeah, hard.
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And he's like dropping F bombs and like saying questionable
things all the time. So definitely different.
And it's about their like fight to survive, I guess.
And you know, I don't know, it was it's just like, you know,
from the get go, it's just very like tightly paced.
I I'm like double checking therewith you here.
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But I think it's like, yeah, 95 minutes, you know, so it's like
already great timing choice. It's like frenetically paced
brutal. I think, you know, very much
like gets in your head too, because, you know, so I'm
sliding this under psychologicalbecause you're kind of like
you're in these confined areas and spaces and you're just like,
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how how are these people going to escape?
What have they gotten themselvesinto?
I mean, sadly very pressy and commentary about, you know, all
right, you know, extreme, you know, and are extremists of any
sort of, you know, political party being in a space and how
you you know, how do you fight that?
And you know, for some people, it's not to get too graphic.
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It's you take a box cutter to the stomach and that's how you
win. But like, is that really the we
should win for the rest of time?I don't know.
So, yeah, all to say, Green Room2015 film.
I was my pick for a psychologic.Yeah, yeah, that's another one
that's been like floating aroundon my my watch list for a while
that I just haven't gotten to. So yeah, you're really like
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schooling me on my watch list. You same with me so.
Yeah, Yeah. Well, I guess the feelings
mutual then. Yeah.
OK, so this is my 4th pick. We're starting.
We're going to start for sure. You started it with your pick,
but we're going to have to startoverlapping our categories now.
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OK, I'm going to go with. I'm going to go ahead and go
with my A movie that I caught upwith last year that I really,
really enjoyed. It was like both fun and really
disturbing, which is maybe a spoiler of the category.
I'm going to go with the thing. Oh, yes.
The thing is, it's a great movie.
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So good. Yeah.
John Carpenter just kind of likeit's wild.
It's crazy that Kurt Russell is in this movie of all people, but
yeah, it's, yeah. I mean, I think it fits for me.
And the gore, disturbing. There's a lot of like body
horror in this movie with the way this kind of like alien
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creature or Organism, I guess, like distorts like living
objects and really weird, disturbing ways.
So yeah, I think it fits nicely into that, that gore and
disturbing category in my personal opinion.
Yeah, Really good movie. It's like, it's one of those
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things where it's like it's verydisturbing and has some
interesting things to say about,you know, what we're willing to
do when, like, pressed up against the wall with fear and
how we, like, treat each other. But also like, it's kind of fun,
like in a way that only horror movies can be dealing with such
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deep, like, dark issues and alsobe fun at the same time.
So yeah, love. That no, I I also had just
caught up with it last I think one of the theaters, they were
like, was it like an anniversaryor something last year I think.
Maybe. Let's see.
Yeah, 1982. So that would have been the 50th
or the the 40th, yeah. The 40th, yeah.
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So I thought it was, I don't know.
It was. I thought that was, it was also
good. So that's a that's a fun one.
Great. I'll OK, let me see here.
I think Speaking of like one that's like both well, as you
were saying, it's like disturbing, but also, you know,
I don't know, like it's it's entertaining, enjoyable.
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I think this other one saw last year and occupy.
It's it's one of it's another. It's a similar fusion but this
time of genre of like the body horror but also teen coming of
age romance. So it's Lucas films, Guardinos
Bones and all. So I think it's Taylor Russell
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and Timothy Chalamet and it focus, I mean, it focuses on
these two cannibals lovers and their journey of trying to like
navigate and build a life where,you know, they're always
fighting with these impulses that they have to feed, as they
say. But also, you know, it's like
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element of like this is how we're made.
So who are we to deny how we're made?
And then also being like, but you know, we're ruined people's
lives And what does it mean to keep appetites and desire in
check? So it's like, it's a very, it's
like big no mistake. It's like a very like when I say
cannibal movie, I'm just like, OK, I guess we're really just
going to show you just notion onsomebody's head or something.
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You know, like it'll go there, but it's very much like a it's
you know, it's a road trip movie.
It's a it's a romance movie, youknow, between these characters
coming of age, you know, in a way with this twist.
So it's a very like, I don't know, it's like it's one of
those like it blends those all those genres really well.
So it's kind of hard to place, you know, when I was thinking
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about it, I was like, is it? It's gore?
But it's not, you know, there's some psychological, you know, I
don't know. So that's my miscellaneous.
OK. Bones and bones and all.
So yeah. OK, cool.
Yeah, Yeah, I had heard good things about it.
Came out last year, right? Yeah, 2022, So yeah, yeah.
I think I definitely heard good things about it and I haven't
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gotten around to to seeing it myself, but but yeah, it's
definitely it was definitely like intriguing.
I heard about it. I was like, oh, I'm like, try to
check this out. So I have let's see we you have
two more and I have three more now.
So there's the wild card, which I need a slasher and I need a
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paranormal and OK, I think I know what I'm going to do.
I'm going to go ahead and go with paranormal and I'm going to
go with Robert Eggers the witch for if you want to have it with
the two V's the. Vivage the bitch.
There you go. That's right.
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I this film is one that like kind of has grown in my
estimation. Like I've only seen it once like
a couple years ago, but it's like a grown in my regard of it
ever since I've seen it just like every time I think back of
it, like the imagery of it, it'sdislike.
So obviously Edgar's is like at this point known for like really
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being obsessive about like getting the period and the
language and the, and like the design and everything, like
exactly how it was and the the setting of his movie.
You know, it's when you watch the witch, you're very much in
its world, which is an impressive thing that Edgars
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does. I think the Witch is probably
his best film of the, I think there's three so far because he
has The Lighthouse and Northman also, and it's my favorite of
those three. And the way it deals with this,
like the idea of cutting yourself off from community and
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the dangers you open yourself upto when you do that, even if
it's maybe for like justifiable reasons or like, you know, at
the end of the day, there's a bit of pride that comes with not
being willing to like, give and take with a community.
It's set in like early America and I'm pretty sure.
And it's like this Puritan community or some sort of
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Christian community, either Puritans or something like that.
And he has a disagreement with like the elders of the community
and he's basically like excommunicated from it, him and
his family. And then like, they're on the
edge of these woods. There's like strange stuff
happening in the woods. Their baby goes missing and it's
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just like dealing with that ideaof what happens when you
separate yourself from communityand, like, what sorts of horrors
might you open yourself up to bydoing that?
Super interesting. And like, really like,
disturbing. Well made movie.
Yeah. So I definitely recommend that
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one. The Witch.
I'm going to take it. Did I say paranormal for it?
Yes, yeah. Which would make it makes more
sense when you watch the film why it's in the paranormal
category. But it's definitely so you'll
have to go watch it to find out why.
I won't. I won't give anything away.
Yeah, I know, I know. Like the AMC's near me, they're
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doing like thrills, like they'rebringing back some of the class,
like those horror movies. So I think I sadly missed that
one, but I know it might be on Netflix or something, so I'll
probably watch it. But yeah, that's yeah, that's
you saying it's like a good reminder, like, Oh yeah, I've
been meaning to to catch that one.
OK, yeah, let me see here. So final 2 for me.
I think I'll go with so. OK, so you got The witch.
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I'll go. I'm so torn here.
I might have to just be a game time decision.
You know what, I'll go with the one I feel like I can speak more
about at the moment. But it was not quite the Witch.
But in other, you know, there was this film sleeper head of
last year, Barbarian. So Zach Prager directed that
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one. Yeah.
Or were you going to say something?
You. Know I was just going to say
another like one that I have heard great things about but
haven't gotten around to. Yeah, no, it's OK.
I it will. I will just say it is without
because I want you to be able toenjoy it without, you know, me
having to share too much. But like, it's a there's a
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monster element to the film thatI think what I enjoyed in
particular about it. One was that it it has a lot of
twists and turns. You don't quite know where it's
going, but it explores this idea.
I think in general, I think it is actually, or rather it fits
into this Canon that I've enjoyed lately of when I think
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about monster movies, I've one of the things that draws me to
those types of films is this idea of like the monsters being
instruments of divine justice for the oppressed or
underrepresented. And so, you know, I even think
about like I love Godzilla. And I think it was very recently
I learned it's like a allegory or connection, you know, with
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the atomic bomb and, you know, being dropped on Japan and you
know, like, I guess that was there, but it was like it's only
been more recently of like viewed those films through that
social lens or sociological lens.
So I'll just say, without givingtoo much, I think I like how
Barbarian in its unique way fitsinto this this Canon.
So that that's my monster movie,let's say.
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So yeah, that was released. Last year.
OK, cool. Yeah, yeah, I guess we'll both
maybe it looks like we're going to just both save our wild card
for last for a while. Yeah, I'm going to go with the
only category other than wild card that I have left is the
killer slasher. This is one that I've struggled
with, like enjoying in the past.Maybe similar with like the
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typical movie you think about with like the gore or by your.
But yeah, I've caught up with a few of these recently.
Maybe I can mention others in honorable mentions, but I
watched one recently that like shook me like to the core, I
think. And it's like, man, it's one of
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those where you watch and you almost wish you didn't wash it
like our hat like. But at the same time, you're
like, man, that was like phenomenal filmmaking.
I'm going to go with the 74 classic of The Texas Chainsaw
Massacre. Oh.
Great, I've not seen but I I understand the reaction to.
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That I was like, one of the things that like you don't
really think about is like how sound can be horrifying and like
the sounds in this movie are like, it like just makes my skin
crawl just like thinking about it.
And yeah, it's one of those that's like, I don't know, like,
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there's probably more. The themes that it's dealing
with are less like these deep emotional themes and more like
maybe primal themes of like, survival in the will to live and
that sort of thing. But man, is it like a master
class of setting, like beauty inthe background of like absolute
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disgusting horror horror. Like.
It's because there's scenes thatyou watch where there's where if
you like, take out what's going on in the foreground, the
background is like phenomenally beautifully shot.
But then like you add back in what's going on in the
foreground and you're like, yeah, anyways, yeah, that's when
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I'm going for for Slasher. No, it's it's interesting
because I think the other film that I've seen destroyed, which
I've not seen, maybe it's some more pivot later, was that movie
Midsommar, which I haven't seen,I haven't seen.
But it's that same idea of beautiful backdrop with just
like, absolutely horrific stuff going on.
So yeah, that'll be, it's like one of those things like,
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daylight doesn't save you here. You know, you can watch this in
broad daylight and you're just, you're still going to be
disturbed. Yeah.
I out so I guess for final selection, my wild card.
I know this movie has its fans as well as its detractors, but I
think the more I think about it,the more I love it It's that
it's the 2021 James Wan film malignant.
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So this one was I think just, I think it got a limited release,
but then really got a life on HBO Max.
But it's just such a fun. Like the way I, you know, you
don't expect some of the twists there.
I think like James did this right after, yeah, this was
after he directed Aquaman, whichis like a billion dollar movie.
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So yeah, I firmly believe I'm like, I mean, I liked Aquaman,
but I'm like, I'm even happier that Aquaman doing so well led
to James being able to have the relational capital to be like, I
just want to make this for me. Yeah.
You're going to pay for it, Warner rose.
Because guess what? I just made you a billion
dollars, you know, or more so everything.
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Yeah, like the any. I don't know.
It's it's a it's a very I think just it's one of those movies
that is funny in this in the ways that it commits fully to
the kind of bonker premise, the bonkers premise and all the
characters. I think like Annabelle Wallace
is the main actress in it, but she I think just some of the
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deline deliveries, like I think it's easy in certain movies to
be like you're trying to go, youknow, have each line be deeper
or it's a double entendre of a greater theme.
But they're just like saying theline straight.
It's just a very like kind of has that B movie feel to it, but
with great effects and actions. So yeah, Malignant, there's my
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wild card pick. Yeah, yeah, that's another one.
Like there's I feel like I have like a running list of more
recent like horror movies that Ijust like haven't had the chance
to catch up with. It's one of those things like my
wife is like not only like is she not interested in, she's
like almost like pretty much like anti horror movie, like
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don't like don't watch that in my house.
So it's kind of like it's kind of like I'm like, OK, I have to
like not talk about these movieswith her at all.
Like not even mentioned just because like she's like, and
it's not like I don't think it'sa flaw.
I think it's, it's just like personality.
She's just like, I'm not interested in knowing any of
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that stuff. And I'm like, I kind of like
respect about her in a way, but also like, I really enjoy like
digging into these movies and like out why they're so
disturbing. And but yeah, that's that's
another one that I haven't had the chance to catch up with.
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Maybe it's because the past few Octobers I've done a lot of like
catching up with older stuff andlike I kind of overlooked the
the newer stuff. But yeah, I am going to go with
something relatively newer for my wild card.
It's I guess you could say it's a a personal favorite.
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It might still be my favorite Jordan Peele movie and it's
probably not the one most peoplewould think I'm talking about.
I'm going to go with us. Ah, there we go.
We have we have an US lover, which is great.
Yeah, I love us. I am under no like pretense that
us doesn't have like if you really like think hard about it
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a ton of like strange, like world building holes in it of
like how does this work and how does this work?
But I don't honestly don't care and I don't think Jordan Pill
does either because like really like the suspense of this movie
and the design and the characters, like everything
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about it. I just love and I love that like
he's like making these like broad stroke, broad stroke, like
interesting philosophical questions with what he's doing
with it that like, I don't know,I just like everything about the
movie and I think it's still maybe my Nope is up there.
I really appreciated Nope, Get Out I think is good but a little
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bit more straightforward, which is I think can be a strong point
too. But I personally enjoy the more
like ambiguous stuff as far as like what is this movie about?
Let me dig into it. And Us is definitely that so.
And then like Lupita and Yongo'sperformance as both characters.
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Her and her like underworld self, it's just like next level
phenomenal like. I'm yeah, like if I'm ever
making a case to the Academy forY or should we take more
seriously? It's like her performance there
and then Mia Goth's performancesand you know, like X or Pearl
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that I guess like you have thesetwo, you know, women just bring
their age. Like what do you, you know, why
are they not being recognized inthis way?
So it's funny. Because the reality is that
like, horror movies is one of the things that keeps like
theaters alive. It doesn't matter if a horror
movie is good or bad. Like people go see horror movies
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in the theater. So it's funny that like The
Academy Is like just totally ignores the whole genre
basically. It will it's interesting because
I was seeing that, you know, thenew Exorcist movie that's coming
out. I guess as we're recording this
now, it would be coming out thisweek.
So October 7th like it's gotten some it's getting hit hard
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critically like it's or October 6th.
It's not going to do it doesn't like it got like a, you know,
critically it's not doing well, but it's still slated to like
open to like a 51 million plus Ithink like, Oh yeah, debut.
So it's like, yeah, as you said,these horror movies are critic
proof, you know, like people just want to go for a for a good
time. So doesn't matter if it's bad or
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good. And, and there is a sense in
which, like, I don't know, I waslistening to something recently,
I can't remember what it was a podcast, but I don't remember
which one, where they were kind of saying like, it's it's a kind
of this weird thing about horrormovies where like, it's both
true that it's the best thing ever to go watch a horror movie
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in a crowded theater, but also, like the best thing ever to,
like, curl up on your couch alone in the dark and watch a
horror movie. Like, both of those things are
like, both true. And I was like, yeah, that is
true. Like, yeah.
Yeah, that's that was that was areally.
Fun draft. I need to do more along these
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lines where you have. Like that was great.
Different categories I think. I was going to name a couple of
honorable mentions I wanted to shout out one that I think some
people would say is not horror, but I put it in the horror
category because I think it follows a lot of horror tropes
with Alien. I would say Alien is a sci-fi
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horror. I think some people disagree.
But yeah, Alien, I mentioned GetOut I think is a great movie.
Hereditary I think is very good.You know, Toni Collette's
performance is like another example of what you were talking
about. Like this deserves an Oscar.
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I personally do like the original Paranormal Activity.
I think it's fun. It's like it's funny.
It's surprisingly funny, especially in the first portion.
And then like, it just does somereally like well crafted jump
scare and like that sort of thing.
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And and it's probably like a nostalgia thing.
I I went and saw it like openingnight in a crowded theater with
a friend. Yeah.
And like, I have memories of that.
Another another one that I feel like was really overlooked. 20
the 2020 The Invisible Man with yeah, Elisabeth Moss.
It was phenom. Also in US, right?
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Yeah, Yeah, she's great. Yeah, that one's directed by Lee
Whannell, who hasn't done a whole lot, but yeah, that one
was phenomenal. And one from this year that I
that I've mentioned in a past episode is a skinnamarink I
really enjoyed. It's kind of one of those that
it's hard for me to like recommend because I think like
it's going to be like, either you absolutely hate this or
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really love it like I did. Yeah.
And yeah, I don't know if you'veseen it and where you stand,
but. I have not seen it.
And it's like for that reason where I'm like some people,
they're like, they just found this the most madding thing
ever. Yeah.
And I'm just this is one of those like insert cinema is so
back memes, right? But I'm just like, it's one of
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those like, oh, can I, can I sitthrough something like that?
Maybe I've heard good things from people I trust like you,
you know, and others. So I'm like maybe it is worth it
but. It it's I think it's one it
might be the biggest like differential between the actual
like letterbox score and what I rated it from.
Like all my movies. It has a 2.9 on letterbox which
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generally movies that fall below3 tend to stick stay away from.
But I I rated it 4 out of five. I really enjoyed it.
The night of the living dead. Great.
Classic a blind spot for me, butI've heard things about that. 1,
the there's two Nosferatu's thatI think are both phenomenal, the
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original 19 version and Mourner Herzog's version from 1979 is
really, really good too. Yeah, those are, I guess those
are some I could go on because they're, you know, I have a big
list of horror movies that I have ranked on Letterbox.
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But yeah. What kind of stuff did you have
any maybe a couple that you wanted to shout out?
Yeah, no, it I will say it's because I know Robert Eggers is
doing a Nosferatu remake. So maybe once once I see a
trailer product or press photos that'll be like OK I gotta want
do my Nosferatu catch up before.I the original is like is
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surprisingly like very eerie andlike effective.
OK. Like when you look at like
stills of it, you're like, oh, this is really cheesy.
But when you actually watch it, you're like wow, how did he make
this like cheesy looking dude beso like effectively like creepy
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and eerie? Yeah, no, that's great.
I've I'll keep an eye for that. Yeah.
I, you know, honestly, I feel like in the monster category, I
were the most honorable mentionsthere because I really enjoyed
the there's this 2019 film by Alexandre Aha called Crawl.
It's a like a it's a yeah, abouta, a swimmer and her dad and
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they're trapped in their house in Florida that's about to, you
know, get hit by a hurricane andthey have to fight off
crocodiles. And it's just like, I don't
know, I just really, was it crocodiles or is it?
Alligators, I think it was. It is alligators.
Yeah. Alligators.
Yeah, but I thought that was so fun.
Actually, that has the whole place in my heart 'cause that's
the first movie I locked that letterbox.
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So it's like, OK, back in 2019 it was like, you know, crawl.
It was the first thing I did. So maybe there's some nostalgia
bias there, but I love I mean, and this one probably doesn't
count as horror even though likemaybe generally the franchises
they're similar with Alien, but I thought the Prey movie for the
the Predator, like yeah, film set and like I thought that was
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so fun. Very well done.
Not once again, I thought that was great.
And then, yeah, I think there's just two more.
I think for psychological Rebecca Hall's film The
Resurrection, that was also withTim Roth, but thought that was
very yeah, I don't know. It was, you know, a lot of
movies these days, you know, horror movies, the schtick is
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like it's about trauma, you know, like that.
It's like a meme in a way. But the way I will just say the
way she she doesn't does a greatperformance there, the way she
embodies and explores out the theme.
She didn't direct her or anything, but I think she's the
producer, executive producer on it.
But I really enjoyed her performance there exploring that
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theme. And then what is one more
Annihilation? The Alex?
Garland is fantastic. So good.
That was actually one of the on that article that you'll link in
the show notes. That was one of their
recommendations for Miscellaneous.
And I was like, Oh yeah, that one, you know, demon bear that
mimics human voice. Like that's, that's yeah.
Nightmare fuel right there. It is.
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I'll, I'll. That'll fit in very nicely, so.
It's funny for that one, Like, Isaw that and I was like
Annihilations and I was like, yeah, I guess it is horror, but
that I didn't really put it on my list because I was like, I
don't usually think about that as a horror movie.
Yeah. Because like especially like the
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way it ends, it like reads way more as a sci-fi movie to me
than a horror movie. But but I can definitely see how
like you could definitely say like, Oh well, it's still a
horror movie. Yeah.
Yeah, I think, I think that I did.
I had two more that I forgot to mention.
You mentioned trauma and I was like, Oh yeah.
I didn't mention my other choicefor for slasher that I was
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trying to decide between. I really like a nightmare on Elm
Street. I think I think it's really well
done. It's a it's the whole like dream
world thing. Maybe is like inconsistent how
it works. But I mean, it's a dream world.
Who says it has to be consistent?
But I feel like it's a actually like a clever work around to
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like how these like, killers usually like get around way too
quickly in these movies. And it's like, well, he's a
dream. So like, of course he can pop up
anywhere. There we go.
But but yeah, I think Nightmare on Elm Street is good.
And I would actually like I would.
My experience of David Lynch's Eraserhead was very much a
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horror experience. My skin was crawling that whole
movie. Wow.
Yeah, it's a very disturbing movie in my opinion.
Yeah, but yeah, I'll, I'll read through the final list.
Zachary took Possessor and Gore,The Ninety 1992 Candy Man and
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Slasher, The Evil Dead and Paranormal, Green Room and
psychological, Bones and All andMiscellaneous, Barbarian and
Monster and Malignant. For his wild card.
I went with Psycho and Psychological, The Blair Witch
Project in Miscellaneous, Frankenstein and Monster, The
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Thing in Gore, The Witch in Paranormal, The Texas Chainsaw
Massacre and Slasher and US for my wild card.
And I think we built a pretty great list of horror movies
here. Together.
I know I'm so excited to see thethe people chime in there.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that'll be fun.
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But yeah, that's that's our movie draft.
I hope you enjoyed that movie draft.
I know I enjoyed it a lot back when I did it and so.
Yeah, a lot of great. Movies a lot of great
recommendations that maybe if you haven't gotten around to
enough spooky movies, today's the last day.
Obviously you can watch them whenever you want, but if you
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want to watch them during the spooky season, today is the last
day. So maybe choose one of those and
have a good spooky. Evening watching one, but yeah,
that that. That probably pretty much
concludes the episode. Like I said, be on the lookout
for what's coming next. It might be a Spielberg epilogue
episode. It might be something else.
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I'm not really sure. I'm trying to plan that out and
at this point I don't know. But you will know when it comes
out because you'll see it. So enjoy that and I'll hopefully
be announcing the next director.I'm going to do.
It will probably be next year before we get to that, but but
I'm excited about it. And so yeah, it's been a great
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journey going through these first 3 directors.
Looking forward to wrapping up Spielberg with the epilogue and
his movie next year. At some point, we're going to be
needing to do an episode on the Phoenician scheme, a Wes
Anderson's movie that came out this year.
So that'll be on the docket for some point.
So we've got a lot of things kind of in the works.
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But like I said this, the podcast might be slowing down a
little bit, how you might see episodes a little less frequent,
frequently for a while, but justkeep tuned in, keep subscribed,
and we will be seeing you soon. That's it for this episode.
I've been Eli Price and you've been listening to The
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It wasn't closely. What's the secret thing?
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I am your host Eli Price, and weare here on episode 117 of the
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And I believe last episode I said that was going to be this
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the year. I haven't really decided if I'm
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I might do kind of a recap on the century so far, kind of go
through my maybe top 21 movies of the 21st century so far, do
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something like that just for fun.
And so we'll see if I get aroundto that, Hopefully I will.
But if not, then life is just being life.
And yeah, you know, I'll get around to it if I can.
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Yeah. So this episode, it is
Halloween. So happy Halloween to everyone
out there. We are going to be releasing an
A movie draft that we did in conjunction with, I think it was
in the the episode for The Dark Knight Rises.
It didn't really have anything to do with The Dark Knight
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Rises. It just happened to be spooky
season during that episode. And so we did this draft.
And so my guest for that draft was Zachary Lee.
You can find his work, He does alot of writing for
rodgerebert.com amongst other publications.
I believe he is part of the Chicago Critics, whatever their
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kind of critic group is called now.
So Zachary is awesome guy. I always enjoy having him on.
But yeah, so this is going to bea horror sub genre draft.
So we take the the various sub genres of horror and draft
movies. We have to have one for each sub
genre category. And so I'll explain that as we
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get into the episode. But yeah, I hope you enjoy this
episode and enjoy mine and Zachary's choices.
But yeah, let's get into that. We, we've got a really fun movie
draft. It's going to be different than
any movie draft we've done before.
So I hope, I hope we can both figure this out and do it.
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I've planned it in my mind. But yes, we'll pick like a
category or a topic that is in amovie and we'll just kind of go
back and forth and draft movies that fall into that category.
But this time I wanted to do something related to horror.
We're in October. I couldn't think of a good movie
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draft relating to Dark Knight Rises necessarily because we've
already done the DC1, we've donethe villains draft and The Dark
Knight episode. And so I was like, man, what are
we going to do? And I was like, well, it's
coming to the end of October when this is releasing.
And so let's do a horror movie draft of some sort.
So we, we kind of decided that we would do a horror subgenre
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draft. And so basically what we're
going to do, I, I found an article by no Film school that I
can link it in the, in the show notes if anyone's interested.
But it kind of breaks down the subgenres of horror.
Probably not like all of the subgenres, but like the the main
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ones. And so it has like main
categories and then like sub, main sub genres and then like
sub genres within the sub genre and in that article.
And so, but we're going to go with the main sub genres.
So we're going to basically whatwe're going to do is still the
same concept. We want to draft, you know, the
best team of movies so that we can win the votes when when it
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goes public. But what we're going to do,
instead of just going back and forth and drafting from a big
pool of movies, we're going to have to draft one movie in each
of these sub genres. And so we don't have to draft
the genres in a particular order, but we do have to fill
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one movie per per category. And so I'm going to list these
categories so that everyone can know what they are.
They are psychological horror, killer or slasher horror, gore
or disturbing horror, monster horror, paranormal and then
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miscellaneous, which miscellaneous kind of covers
stuff that doesn't necessarily fit into that other stuff.
So when you can think of like there's horror comedy or there's
like found footage horror and a few other like kind of like sub
genres that maybe don't necessarily fit into those
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others, those all fun fall undermiscellaneous.
And then I figured too, we couldget a wild card so that we could
get an extra favorite in there. So that's 12345677 choices that
we've got to make their seven movies.
So yeah, I hope everyone is following what we're doing here.
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I hope I explained it clearly. Basically we're we've got to
draft 1 horror movie from each of these subgenres.
And yeah, so Zachary's going to kick it off with the first pick.
Where are you going to go? There's there's some extra
strategy here because you want to get the best films, but you
also want to like figure out which category you want to put
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it in. I know, right?
Yeah. And I will say it's, it's
interesting 'cause I like, you know, per my Chicken Run story
from earlier this episode, I think.
Yeah, I was not big into the horror genre until honestly, I'd
say last year, maybe the little bit the year before.
So a lot of my horror watches are newer.
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So I don't know. I'm, I'm curious to see you
though how that'll work in my favour for the listeners of the
Establishing Shop podcast, if they're more traditional old
school horror film loyalists or they're, they're, they're down
with the the modern stuff too. So yeah, we'll see how it lands.
It'll be a learning experience for me too because I have no
idea. Yeah, I know we're testing the
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fuelers out, you know, for doingsome crowdsourcing info here
that yeah, you know, I'll go, you know, I'll just go straight
for the for the gnarly, the the the gore disturbing film, you
know, just because you know why?Why not actually wait, sorry to
me. Can you cut that and go back?
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I realized maybe it's better I should say the film 1st and then
I'll do the segment. Is that better or it it?
Doesn't matter to me. OK, cool.
You know what? I'll just, I'll just do it.
I'll just repeat it. It'll be fine.
Sorry, I was I think in my mind I was like oh should I say the
film 1st and then do the? No, I think either way is fine
if you want to tease it with thewith the with the category first
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or just go straight into the movie it demos.
Straight into it. OK, cool.
It doesn't matter. Either way, sorry to me for
that. No worries.
Well, this won't be too tough toedit out in the bigger part of
it. But yeah, I know for my first
pick, I'll go in line with the newer films.
I'll go with Brandon Cronenberg's Possessor.
So this was released in 2010. Yeah.
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It's, I mean, disturbing body horror.
Takes after his dad in a lot of ways, but has his own, you know,
twisted take on it. I think.
Andrea Risen, bro. Right.
And then Christopher Abbott are in it and phenomenal, great
stuff. And so I'll I'll slap that into
the the gore disturbing film category perspect.
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So yeah, yeah, I haven't seen that one.
I'm trying to think too like if I've seen any Cronenberg of him
or his dad's. I don't know that I have.
It's just one of those kind of like I don't have like an
expansive like horror genre likeknowledge either.
Like I've tried to catch up withmore and more over the years,
but but yeah, I don't think the Cronenberg's are.
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I don't think I've seen any of them.
So yeah, that's definitely a blind spot for me.
Honestly, you will probably sleep better.
I'm not. It's like once a year.
I can appreciate the film for the themes that Hazen's trying
to say, but it's one of those like, well, I guess I'll have to
wrestle with my soul for a little bit.
See this. Yeah, it's.
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Yeah. But, you know, curious.
Yeah, I, I caught up with a a particular film this past week,
knowing that this was coming andfeeling like I should watch this
and I feel like I would have slept better if I would have
left it. But we'll see if I drafted at
some point. I'm going to go with probably
what I think is one of the just probably the one of the most
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iconic horror movies. I'm going to go with Psycho in
the psychological horror. I mean, it's right there in the
the name of the movie, the genrethat's perfect.
I, you know, I just feel like Psycho and Hitchcock, for one,
like it's, it's a master class in suspense building.
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And like, yeah, that psychological horror of just
what's going on with Phil Bates and his mom.
Like, yeah, it's, it's very disturbing.
So I just think it's, yeah, it'sit's to me, it's a master class
of suspense by the master of suspense, Alfred Hitchcock.
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So yeah, of course go with Psycho.
And there's some really good ones I had written down for that
category, So it was kind of hardto choose.
But yeah, that's what I'm gonna go with.
There we go. That's great.
Yeah, I'll. Oh, OK, let me see here seeing
you. You went out swinging with that
one. So now I'm like, oh, I gotta
think about these other categories now.
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I'll go with. OK, so next film, older film.
So one of the, I think probably no, actually it might not be the
oldest, maybe second, second oldest title that's on here for
me. Also near addition to my heart
as I saw it. I saw it for the first time this
year, but I saw its sequel first.
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And then I saw it, so I. Don't know.
I don't know if that was the right way to do it, but it is
the 1992 film Candy Man. Yeah.
I yeah, I saw it for the first time at a a small arts theatre
in DC when I was staying there. And yeah, I mean, you know, and
I love NIA Decosta's film from acouple years ago.
I thought it was great. And, you know, I'm being from
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Chicago and having witnessed thegentrification and, yeah,
changing of the Cabrini Green neighborhood.
A lot of the the film really stuck to me.
But I think, yeah, I don't know.I just in in similar themes of
what we were talking about Eli and the podcast about
generational sin and trauma and violence and what it looks like
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to have it, you know, and like, you know, you know, privileged
people and like the way they like want to Co opt or turn
other people suffering into likea a thesis or a project, you
know, and I don't know, like what they unleash with that.
I felt like very timely and relevant and still very scary
and fits neatly in the slasher genre, which is where I'll place
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my pick there for the next film.So yeah.
So yeah, Candy Man, the 1990, the first one that came out.
Yeah, that was on my list for Slasher.
I don't know if I would have drafted it, but necessarily
because I have one or two more that I like a little bit more.
But yeah, that that is, I think that's probably one of my top
slasher films. Yeah, for sure.
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It's it's great. Yeah, I did see the the kind of,
I guess it's kind of like AI guess it's a sequel.
It feels like half sequel. Yeah, it feels like half reboot,
half sequel, half sequel becauseit's yeah, but yeah, it's it was
OK. Yeah, I thought it was really
well made. I didn't like some of the
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choices, but yeah, the the original 92 version is very good
and like, like, yeah, just really good, like disturbing
filmmaking going on in it. So yeah, OK, OK, this is playing
out interesting because like, yeah, I feel like I can wait on
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ones that you've already draftedon categories because you've
already drafted in them. But then again, like you can
draft, you might be able to draft a movie you know in a
category because some of them fit into multiple, right?
That that was what was fun and interesting is like, oh, where
do they like slot and fit? Like I could put, you know, I
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don't know, like Candyman into like, was that partly
psychological? And no, you know, yeah, so or
monster, even if you think aboutit in a way.
Yeah, that's true. OK, Where am I going to go here?
You know, I think, I think I am going to go ahead and just draft
my favorite. I think what I would say is like
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my favorite horror movie ever inthe miscellaneous category.
There we go. Because it's a found footage
film and that is The Blair WitchProject.
I love The Blair Witch Project. It is like so creepy, so
disturbing and like even just like the mythos surrounded of
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like people like thinking it wasreal when they saw it and like
back in the day. Like, yeah, I, I just think it's
like a really like a really goodlike piece of horror filmmaking,
but really just like a unique phenomena of like filmmaking in
general, in general terms. So yeah, The Blair Witch
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Project, which was 99, it was inthat that very strong year of
1999. So, but yeah, I'm I'll put it in
miscellaneous, which covers the the found footage genre.
No, that's great. I have not seen that.
But it's, you know, reputation precedes it so very much it's
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what's 1 of that? I want to kind of get to yeah,
OK, interesting. All right, so miscellaneous
category there. I honestly, I thought you're
going to say like paranormal activity initially or something
like that. I don't know.
I don't even know if that's likeshot and found footage or or
will, which wouldn't no, no dissto those films, but yeah, I I
was like, Oh yeah, clear witch like the revolutionary found
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footage horror for like of course that would be oh, this is
tough. OK, now I'm like like double
checking like is this even? Does it even count?
I might come back to that later.I'll go with.
OK, so in the in the vein of Blair Witch and, you know, found
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footage technique, maybe it applies.
So I've another film in preparation for the sequel that
came out this year to the film, which is where I found.
I feel like all these legacy sequels are giving me an excuse
to like watch the Ogs for the first.
Time. You know, things like that, but
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I'm going to go with the 81 the Evil Dead film for next pick.
And you know, we're talking about found footage, that sorts
of thing. I don't know, like I feel like
so much can be said about the fun camera angles that are
there. You know, like I think the way
it's it embodies such an off kilter sort of, you know,
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ambiance and and personality to it.
I mean it even goes further withlike the second one, the whole
tree stuff. I'm I will caveat, I'm not a big
fan of that. I don't really know what the
whole point of that was in this movie.
But as far as paranormal, which is where this falls under goes,
I've really I don't know. It's like, it's one of those
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films where like, it's it, it could be miscellaneous because
it's also very funny, but it's, I don't know, like classic, like
cabin friends or like, you know,there's this like there's no
going back. You just have to fight them.
There's a dread element that's there I I enjoy.
Yeah. So I'll go with Evil Dead for my
paranormal film. Paranormal.
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OK, yeah, that's actually another blind spot that like
it's one of those that like, I probably, I might end up
watching it this October sometime.
Yeah. Someone that I've always wanted
to get around to. And you, I know for sure there's
one of my friends that like loves like Sam Raimi horror.
And so like you might have won avote with that one for sure.
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I've gotten I got one vote potentially.
OK, so I think, I know, I think at this point in the draft like
my strategy is pretty set. I'm going to, I'm going to go
ahead and draft a movie that I caught up with I think last
year, the year before, a classichorror movie in Frankenstein,
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the original Frankenstein, I want to say 19th in the monster
category. I was like honestly, honestly
like it was I was watching some of these older like monster
movies because I was like, I want to catch up with some of
these classics. It was kind of like a more
homework kind of endeavor. And I was actually like blown
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away by Frankenstein. Like the set pieces and stuff
like are definitely of its time,but somehow hold up and fit the
atmosphere. And then like the just the ideas
that are being dealt with about humanity, what makes a human
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human is really interesting. And like, even like there's
moments of like like really deepemotional, like resonance in
this movie that like totally caught me off guard.
And so it's, it's become one of my, my personal favorites.
And so, yeah, I'm doing, yeah, Frankenstein and Monster.
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Which? What year was that one again, at
least? 1931. 31 OK, great.
I'm adding it to the watch list right now.
Another blind spot, but the poster's classic, you know.
And yeah, it, it honestly, like,it honestly blew me away.
I was not expecting to love it as much as I did.
And like, I finished it and I was like, man, that's, I think I
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have it rated like a 4 1/2 star,like, so, yeah, yeah.
Fantastic. Great.
Yeah. Well, this is me just
desperately trying to form connections and bounce off of
between our picks. But I know is it's a black and
white film. Is that am I correctly for?
But in my mind, Frankenstein is always portrayed with some
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elements of green on. On Frankenstein, of course, I'm
in the classroom, say Frankenstein's monster is always
portrayed with some elements of green on him.
And so that ties in nicely for my next pick, which is the 2015
film Green Room. So that was who was that?
Jeremy Saulnier is the director for that.
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It was a no, they're a 24 film, so you know, you kind of know
what you're getting there. But I man, I saw this for the
first time last year, also on Hulu, which shout out Hulu.
They have some great films just on their both their original
content and they're just the ones that they get.
But I it's it's about a kind of a punk band that travel are
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doing shows and then they end updoing this one show, which ends
up being this bar where these neo Nazis hang out, which is led
by was it Patrick Stewart as like the head neo Nazi, which is
just like, I don't know, played against type for him.
I'm just used to seeing him being like, you know, the
elegant professor X or yeah, hard.
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And he's like dropping F bombs and like saying questionable
things all the time. So definitely different.
And it's about their like fight to survive, I guess.
And you know, I don't know, it was it's just like, you know,
from the get go, it's just very like tightly paced.
I I'm like double checking therewith you here.
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But I think it's like, yeah, 95 minutes, you know, so it's like
already great timing choice. It's like frenetically paced
brutal. I think, you know, very much
like gets in your head too, because, you know, so I'm
sliding this under psychologicalbecause you're kind of like
you're in these confined areas and spaces and you're just like,
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how how are these people going to escape?
What have they gotten themselvesinto?
I mean, sadly very pressy and commentary about, you know, all
right, you know, extreme, you know, and are extremists of any
sort of, you know, political party being in a space and how
you you know, how do you fight that?
And you know, for some people, it's not to get too graphic.
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It's you take a box cutter to the stomach and that's how you
win. But like, is that really the we
should win for the rest of time?I don't know.
So, yeah, all to say, Green Room2015 film.
I was my pick for a psychologic.Yeah, yeah, that's another one
that's been like floating aroundon my my watch list for a while
that I just haven't gotten to. So yeah, you're really like
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schooling me on my watch list. You same with me so.
Yeah, Yeah. Well, I guess the feelings
mutual then. Yeah.
OK, so this is my 4th pick. We're starting.
We're going to start for sure. You started it with your pick,
but we're going to have to startoverlapping our categories now.
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OK, I'm going to go with. I'm going to go ahead and go
with my A movie that I caught upwith last year that I really,
really enjoyed. It was like both fun and really
disturbing, which is maybe a spoiler of the category.
I'm going to go with the thing. Oh, yes.
The thing is, it's a great movie.
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So good. Yeah.
John Carpenter just kind of likeit's wild.
It's crazy that Kurt Russell is in this movie of all people, but
yeah, it's, yeah. I mean, I think it fits for me.
And the gore, disturbing. There's a lot of like body
horror in this movie with the way this kind of like alien
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creature or Organism, I guess, like distorts like living
objects and really weird, disturbing ways.
So yeah, I think it fits nicely into that, that gore and
disturbing category in my personal opinion.
Yeah, Really good movie. It's like, it's one of those
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things where it's like it's verydisturbing and has some
interesting things to say about,you know, what we're willing to
do when, like, pressed up against the wall with fear and
how we, like, treat each other. But also like, it's kind of fun,
like in a way that only horror movies can be dealing with such
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deep, like, dark issues and alsobe fun at the same time.
So yeah, love. That no, I I also had just
caught up with it last I think one of the theaters, they were
like, was it like an anniversaryor something last year I think.
Maybe. Let's see.
Yeah, 1982. So that would have been the 50th
or the the 40th, yeah. The 40th, yeah.
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So I thought it was, I don't know.
It was. I thought that was, it was also
good. So that's a that's a fun one.
Great. I'll OK, let me see here.
I think Speaking of like one that's like both well, as you
were saying, it's like disturbing, but also, you know,
I don't know, like it's it's entertaining, enjoyable.
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I think this other one saw last year and occupy.
It's it's one of it's another. It's a similar fusion but this
time of genre of like the body horror but also teen coming of
age romance. So it's Lucas films, Guardinos
Bones and all. So I think it's Taylor Russell
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and Timothy Chalamet and it focus, I mean, it focuses on
these two cannibals lovers and their journey of trying to like
navigate and build a life where,you know, they're always
fighting with these impulses that they have to feed, as they
say. But also, you know, it's like
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element of like this is how we're made.
So who are we to deny how we're made?
And then also being like, but you know, we're ruined people's
lives And what does it mean to keep appetites and desire in
check? So it's like, it's a very, it's
like big no mistake. It's like a very like when I say
cannibal movie, I'm just like, OK, I guess we're really just
going to show you just notion onsomebody's head or something.
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You know, like it'll go there, but it's very much like a it's
you know, it's a road trip movie.
It's a it's a romance movie, youknow, between these characters
coming of age, you know, in a way with this twist.
So it's a very like, I don't know, it's like it's one of
those like it blends those all those genres really well.
So it's kind of hard to place, you know, when I was thinking
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about it, I was like, is it? It's gore?
But it's not, you know, there's some psychological, you know, I
don't know. So that's my miscellaneous.
OK. Bones and bones and all.
So yeah. OK, cool.
Yeah, Yeah, I had heard good things about it.
Came out last year, right? Yeah, 2022, So yeah, yeah.
I think I definitely heard good things about it and I haven't
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gotten around to to seeing it myself, but but yeah, it's
definitely it was definitely like intriguing.
I heard about it. I was like, oh, I'm like, try to
check this out. So I have let's see we you have
two more and I have three more now.
So there's the wild card, which I need a slasher and I need a
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paranormal and OK, I think I know what I'm going to do.
I'm going to go ahead and go with paranormal and I'm going to
go with Robert Eggers the witch for if you want to have it with
the two V's the. Vivage the bitch.
There you go. That's right.
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I this film is one that like kind of has grown in my
estimation. Like I've only seen it once like
a couple years ago, but it's like a grown in my regard of it
ever since I've seen it just like every time I think back of
it, like the imagery of it, it'sdislike.
So obviously Edgar's is like at this point known for like really
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being obsessive about like getting the period and the
language and the, and like the design and everything, like
exactly how it was and the the setting of his movie.
You know, it's when you watch the witch, you're very much in
its world, which is an impressive thing that Edgars
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does. I think the Witch is probably
his best film of the, I think there's three so far because he
has The Lighthouse and Northman also, and it's my favorite of
those three. And the way it deals with this,
like the idea of cutting yourself off from community and
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the dangers you open yourself upto when you do that, even if
it's maybe for like justifiable reasons or like, you know, at
the end of the day, there's a bit of pride that comes with not
being willing to like, give and take with a community.
It's set in like early America and I'm pretty sure.
And it's like this Puritan community or some sort of
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Christian community, either Puritans or something like that.
And he has a disagreement with like the elders of the community
and he's basically like excommunicated from it, him and
his family. And then like, they're on the
edge of these woods. There's like strange stuff
happening in the woods. Their baby goes missing and it's
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just like dealing with that ideaof what happens when you
separate yourself from communityand, like, what sorts of horrors
might you open yourself up to bydoing that?
Super interesting. And like, really like,
disturbing. Well made movie.
Yeah. So I definitely recommend that
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one. The Witch.
I'm going to take it. Did I say paranormal for it?
Yes, yeah. Which would make it makes more
sense when you watch the film why it's in the paranormal
category. But it's definitely so you'll
have to go watch it to find out why.
I won't. I won't give anything away.
Yeah, I know, I know. Like the AMC's near me, they're
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doing like thrills, like they'rebringing back some of the class,
like those horror movies. So I think I sadly missed that
one, but I know it might be on Netflix or something, so I'll
probably watch it. But yeah, that's yeah, that's
you saying it's like a good reminder, like, Oh yeah, I've
been meaning to to catch that one.
OK, yeah, let me see here. So final 2 for me.
I think I'll go with so. OK, so you got The witch.
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I'll go. I'm so torn here.
I might have to just be a game time decision.
You know what, I'll go with the one I feel like I can speak more
about at the moment. But it was not quite the Witch.
But in other, you know, there was this film sleeper head of
last year, Barbarian. So Zach Prager directed that
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one. Yeah.
Or were you going to say something?
You. Know I was just going to say
another like one that I have heard great things about but
haven't gotten around to. Yeah, no, it's OK.
I it will. I will just say it is without
because I want you to be able toenjoy it without, you know, me
having to share too much. But like, it's a there's a
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monster element to the film thatI think what I enjoyed in
particular about it. One was that it it has a lot of
twists and turns. You don't quite know where it's
going, but it explores this idea.
I think in general, I think it is actually, or rather it fits
into this Canon that I've enjoyed lately of when I think
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about monster movies, I've one of the things that draws me to
those types of films is this idea of like the monsters being
instruments of divine justice for the oppressed or
underrepresented. And so, you know, I even think
about like I love Godzilla. And I think it was very recently
I learned it's like a allegory or connection, you know, with
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the atomic bomb and, you know, being dropped on Japan and you
know, like, I guess that was there, but it was like it's only
been more recently of like viewed those films through that
social lens or sociological lens.
So I'll just say, without givingtoo much, I think I like how
Barbarian in its unique way fitsinto this this Canon.
So that that's my monster movie,let's say.
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So yeah, that was released. Last year.
OK, cool. Yeah, yeah, I guess we'll both
maybe it looks like we're going to just both save our wild card
for last for a while. Yeah, I'm going to go with the
only category other than wild card that I have left is the
killer slasher. This is one that I've struggled
with, like enjoying in the past.Maybe similar with like the
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typical movie you think about with like the gore or by your.
But yeah, I've caught up with a few of these recently.
Maybe I can mention others in honorable mentions, but I
watched one recently that like shook me like to the core, I
think. And it's like, man, it's one of
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those where you watch and you almost wish you didn't wash it
like our hat like. But at the same time, you're
like, man, that was like phenomenal filmmaking.
I'm going to go with the 74 classic of The Texas Chainsaw
Massacre. Oh.
Great, I've not seen but I I understand the reaction to.
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That I was like, one of the things that like you don't
really think about is like how sound can be horrifying and like
the sounds in this movie are like, it like just makes my skin
crawl just like thinking about it.
And yeah, it's one of those that's like, I don't know, like,
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there's probably more. The themes that it's dealing
with are less like these deep emotional themes and more like
maybe primal themes of like, survival in the will to live and
that sort of thing. But man, is it like a master
class of setting, like beauty inthe background of like absolute
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disgusting horror horror. Like.
It's because there's scenes thatyou watch where there's where if
you like, take out what's going on in the foreground, the
background is like phenomenally beautifully shot.
But then like you add back in what's going on in the
foreground and you're like, yeah, anyways, yeah, that's when
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I'm going for for Slasher. No, it's it's interesting
because I think the other film that I've seen destroyed, which
I've not seen, maybe it's some more pivot later, was that movie
Midsommar, which I haven't seen,I haven't seen.
But it's that same idea of beautiful backdrop with just
like, absolutely horrific stuff going on.
So yeah, that'll be, it's like one of those things like,
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daylight doesn't save you here. You know, you can watch this in
broad daylight and you're just, you're still going to be
disturbed. Yeah.
I out so I guess for final selection, my wild card.
I know this movie has its fans as well as its detractors, but I
think the more I think about it,the more I love it It's that
it's the 2021 James Wan film malignant.
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So this one was I think just, I think it got a limited release,
but then really got a life on HBO Max.
But it's just such a fun. Like the way I, you know, you
don't expect some of the twists there.
I think like James did this right after, yeah, this was
after he directed Aquaman, whichis like a billion dollar movie.
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So yeah, I firmly believe I'm like, I mean, I liked Aquaman,
but I'm like, I'm even happier that Aquaman doing so well led
to James being able to have the relational capital to be like, I
just want to make this for me. Yeah.
You're going to pay for it, Warner rose.
Because guess what? I just made you a billion
dollars, you know, or more so everything.
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Yeah, like the any. I don't know.
It's it's a it's a very I think just it's one of those movies
that is funny in this in the ways that it commits fully to
the kind of bonker premise, the bonkers premise and all the
characters. I think like Annabelle Wallace
is the main actress in it, but she I think just some of the
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deline deliveries, like I think it's easy in certain movies to
be like you're trying to go, youknow, have each line be deeper
or it's a double entendre of a greater theme.
But they're just like saying theline straight.
It's just a very like kind of has that B movie feel to it, but
with great effects and actions. So yeah, Malignant, there's my
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wild card pick. Yeah, yeah, that's another one.
Like there's I feel like I have like a running list of more
recent like horror movies that Ijust like haven't had the chance
to catch up with. It's one of those things like my
wife is like not only like is she not interested in, she's
like almost like pretty much like anti horror movie, like
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don't like don't watch that in my house.
So it's kind of like it's kind of like I'm like, OK, I have to
like not talk about these movieswith her at all.
Like not even mentioned just because like she's like, and
it's not like I don't think it'sa flaw.
I think it's, it's just like personality.
She's just like, I'm not interested in knowing any of
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that stuff. And I'm like, I kind of like
respect about her in a way, but also like, I really enjoy like
digging into these movies and like out why they're so
disturbing. And but yeah, that's that's
another one that I haven't had the chance to catch up with.
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Maybe it's because the past few Octobers I've done a lot of like
catching up with older stuff andlike I kind of overlooked the
the newer stuff. But yeah, I am going to go with
something relatively newer for my wild card.
It's I guess you could say it's a a personal favorite.
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It might still be my favorite Jordan Peele movie and it's
probably not the one most peoplewould think I'm talking about.
I'm going to go with us. Ah, there we go.
We have we have an US lover, which is great.
Yeah, I love us. I am under no like pretense that
us doesn't have like if you really like think hard about it
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a ton of like strange, like world building holes in it of
like how does this work and how does this work?
But I don't honestly don't care and I don't think Jordan Pill
does either because like really like the suspense of this movie
and the design and the characters, like everything
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about it. I just love and I love that like
he's like making these like broad stroke, broad stroke, like
interesting philosophical questions with what he's doing
with it that like, I don't know,I just like everything about the
movie and I think it's still maybe my Nope is up there.
I really appreciated Nope, Get Out I think is good but a little
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bit more straightforward, which is I think can be a strong point
too. But I personally enjoy the more
like ambiguous stuff as far as like what is this movie about?
Let me dig into it. And Us is definitely that so.
And then like Lupita and Yongo'sperformance as both characters.
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Her and her like underworld self, it's just like next level
phenomenal like. I'm yeah, like if I'm ever
making a case to the Academy forY or should we take more
seriously? It's like her performance there
and then Mia Goth's performancesand you know, like X or Pearl
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that I guess like you have thesetwo, you know, women just bring
their age. Like what do you, you know, why
are they not being recognized inthis way?
So it's funny. Because the reality is that
like, horror movies is one of the things that keeps like
theaters alive. It doesn't matter if a horror
movie is good or bad. Like people go see horror movies
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in the theater. So it's funny that like The
Academy Is like just totally ignores the whole genre
basically. It will it's interesting because
I was seeing that, you know, thenew Exorcist movie that's coming
out. I guess as we're recording this
now, it would be coming out thisweek.
So October 7th like it's gotten some it's getting hit hard
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critically like it's or October 6th.
It's not going to do it doesn't like it got like a, you know,
critically it's not doing well, but it's still slated to like
open to like a 51 million plus Ithink like, Oh yeah, debut.
So it's like, yeah, as you said,these horror movies are critic
proof, you know, like people just want to go for a for a good
time. So doesn't matter if it's bad or
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good. And, and there is a sense in
which, like, I don't know, I waslistening to something recently,
I can't remember what it was a podcast, but I don't remember
which one, where they were kind of saying like, it's it's a kind
of this weird thing about horrormovies where like, it's both
true that it's the best thing ever to go watch a horror movie
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in a crowded theater, but also, like the best thing ever to,
like, curl up on your couch alone in the dark and watch a
horror movie. Like, both of those things are
like, both true. And I was like, yeah, that is
true. Like, yeah.
Yeah, that's that was that was areally.
Fun draft. I need to do more along these
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lines where you have. Like that was great.
Different categories I think. I was going to name a couple of
honorable mentions I wanted to shout out one that I think some
people would say is not horror, but I put it in the horror
category because I think it follows a lot of horror tropes
with Alien. I would say Alien is a sci-fi
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horror. I think some people disagree.
But yeah, Alien, I mentioned GetOut I think is a great movie.
Hereditary I think is very good.You know, Toni Collette's
performance is like another example of what you were talking
about. Like this deserves an Oscar.
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I personally do like the original Paranormal Activity.
I think it's fun. It's like it's funny.
It's surprisingly funny, especially in the first portion.
And then like, it just does somereally like well crafted jump
scare and like that sort of thing.
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And and it's probably like a nostalgia thing.
I I went and saw it like openingnight in a crowded theater with
a friend. Yeah.
And like, I have memories of that.
Another another one that I feel like was really overlooked. 20
the 2020 The Invisible Man with yeah, Elisabeth Moss.
It was phenom. Also in US, right?
(43:55):
Yeah, Yeah, she's great. Yeah, that one's directed by Lee
Whannell, who hasn't done a whole lot, but yeah, that one
was phenomenal. And one from this year that I
that I've mentioned in a past episode is a skinnamarink I
really enjoyed. It's kind of one of those that
it's hard for me to like recommend because I think like
it's going to be like, either you absolutely hate this or
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really love it like I did. Yeah.
And yeah, I don't know if you'veseen it and where you stand,
but. I have not seen it.
And it's like for that reason where I'm like some people,
they're like, they just found this the most madding thing
ever. Yeah.
And I'm just this is one of those like insert cinema is so
back memes, right? But I'm just like, it's one of
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those like, oh, can I, can I sitthrough something like that?
Maybe I've heard good things from people I trust like you,
you know, and others. So I'm like maybe it is worth it
but. It it's I think it's one it
might be the biggest like differential between the actual
like letterbox score and what I rated it from.
Like all my movies. It has a 2.9 on letterbox which
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generally movies that fall below3 tend to stick stay away from.
But I I rated it 4 out of five. I really enjoyed it.
The night of the living dead. Great.
Classic a blind spot for me, butI've heard things about that. 1,
the there's two Nosferatu's thatI think are both phenomenal, the
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original 19 version and Mourner Herzog's version from 1979 is
really, really good too. Yeah, those are, I guess those
are some I could go on because they're, you know, I have a big
list of horror movies that I have ranked on Letterbox.
(45:42):
But yeah. What kind of stuff did you have
any maybe a couple that you wanted to shout out?
Yeah, no, it I will say it's because I know Robert Eggers is
doing a Nosferatu remake. So maybe once once I see a
trailer product or press photos that'll be like OK I gotta want
do my Nosferatu catch up before.I the original is like is
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surprisingly like very eerie andlike effective.
OK. Like when you look at like
stills of it, you're like, oh, this is really cheesy.
But when you actually watch it, you're like wow, how did he make
this like cheesy looking dude beso like effectively like creepy
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and eerie? Yeah, no, that's great.
I've I'll keep an eye for that. Yeah.
I, you know, honestly, I feel like in the monster category, I
were the most honorable mentionsthere because I really enjoyed
the there's this 2019 film by Alexandre Aha called Crawl.
It's a like a it's a yeah, abouta, a swimmer and her dad and
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they're trapped in their house in Florida that's about to, you
know, get hit by a hurricane andthey have to fight off
crocodiles. And it's just like, I don't
know, I just really, was it crocodiles or is it?
Alligators, I think it was. It is alligators.
Yeah. Alligators.
Yeah, but I thought that was so fun.
Actually, that has the whole place in my heart 'cause that's
the first movie I locked that letterbox.
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So it's like, OK, back in 2019 it was like, you know, crawl.
It was the first thing I did. So maybe there's some nostalgia
bias there, but I love I mean, and this one probably doesn't
count as horror even though likemaybe generally the franchises
they're similar with Alien, but I thought the Prey movie for the
the Predator, like yeah, film set and like I thought that was
(47:38):
so fun. Very well done.
Not once again, I thought that was great.
And then, yeah, I think there's just two more.
I think for psychological Rebecca Hall's film The
Resurrection, that was also withTim Roth, but thought that was
very yeah, I don't know. It was, you know, a lot of
movies these days, you know, horror movies, the schtick is
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like it's about trauma, you know, like that.
It's like a meme in a way. But the way I will just say the
way she she doesn't does a greatperformance there, the way she
embodies and explores out the theme.
She didn't direct her or anything, but I think she's the
producer, executive producer on it.
But I really enjoyed her performance there exploring that
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theme. And then what is one more
Annihilation? The Alex?
Garland is fantastic. So good.
That was actually one of the on that article that you'll link in
the show notes. That was one of their
recommendations for Miscellaneous.
And I was like, Oh yeah, that one, you know, demon bear that
mimics human voice. Like that's, that's yeah.
Nightmare fuel right there. It is.
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I'll, I'll. That'll fit in very nicely, so.
It's funny for that one, Like, Isaw that and I was like
Annihilations and I was like, yeah, I guess it is horror, but
that I didn't really put it on my list because I was like, I
don't usually think about that as a horror movie.
Yeah. Because like especially like the
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way it ends, it like reads way more as a sci-fi movie to me
than a horror movie. But but I can definitely see how
like you could definitely say like, Oh well, it's still a
horror movie. Yeah.
Yeah, I think, I think that I did.
I had two more that I forgot to mention.
You mentioned trauma and I was like, Oh yeah.
I didn't mention my other choicefor for slasher that I was
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trying to decide between. I really like a nightmare on Elm
Street. I think I think it's really well
done. It's a it's the whole like dream
world thing. Maybe is like inconsistent how
it works. But I mean, it's a dream world.
Who says it has to be consistent?
But I feel like it's a actually like a clever work around to
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like how these like, killers usually like get around way too
quickly in these movies. And it's like, well, he's a
dream. So like, of course he can pop up
anywhere. There we go.
But but yeah, I think Nightmare on Elm Street is good.
And I would actually like I would.
My experience of David Lynch's Eraserhead was very much a
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horror experience. My skin was crawling that whole
movie. Wow.
Yeah, it's a very disturbing movie in my opinion.
Yeah, but yeah, I'll, I'll read through the final list.
Zachary took Possessor and Gore,The Ninety 1992 Candy Man and
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Slasher, The Evil Dead and Paranormal, Green Room and
psychological, Bones and All andMiscellaneous, Barbarian and
Monster and Malignant. For his wild card.
I went with Psycho and Psychological, The Blair Witch
Project in Miscellaneous, Frankenstein and Monster, The
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Thing in Gore, The Witch in Paranormal, The Texas Chainsaw
Massacre and Slasher and US for my wild card.
And I think we built a pretty great list of horror movies
here. Together.
I know I'm so excited to see thethe people chime in there.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that'll be fun.
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But yeah, that's that's our movie draft.
I hope you enjoyed that movie draft.
I know I enjoyed it a lot back when I did it and so.
Yeah, a lot of great. Movies a lot of great
recommendations that maybe if you haven't gotten around to
enough spooky movies, today's the last day.
Obviously you can watch them whenever you want, but if you
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want to watch them during the spooky season, today is the last
day. So maybe choose one of those and
have a good spooky. Evening watching one, but yeah,
that that. That probably pretty much
concludes the episode. Like I said, be on the lookout
for what's coming next. It might be a Spielberg epilogue
episode. It might be something else.
(52:05):
I'm not really sure. I'm trying to plan that out and
at this point I don't know. But you will know when it comes
out because you'll see it. So enjoy that and I'll hopefully
be announcing the next director.I'm going to do.
It will probably be next year before we get to that, but but
I'm excited about it. And so yeah, it's been a great
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journey going through these first 3 directors.
Looking forward to wrapping up Spielberg with the epilogue and
his movie next year. At some point, we're going to be
needing to do an episode on the Phoenician scheme, a Wes
Anderson's movie that came out this year.
So that'll be on the docket for some point.
So we've got a lot of things kind of in the works.
(52:48):
But like I said this, the podcast might be slowing down a
little bit, how you might see episodes a little less frequent,
frequently for a while, but justkeep tuned in, keep subscribed,
and we will be seeing you soon. That's it for this episode.
I've been Eli Price and you've been listening to The
Establishing Shop. We will see you next time.
(53:12):
Be here for a little while. But look, I figure it this way,
better to be king for a night than smoke for a lifetime.
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