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Zack Hurst (00:00):
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Instead of 496 horsepower and406 pound-feet of torque, that
(00:30):
brings it to 670 horsepower and627 foot-pounds of torque.
Andy, yeah, you will never usethat.
Well, hello friends, andwelcome to episode 200 of the EV
Resource Podcast.
I'm Zach Hurst and each week, Ibring you the latest EV news,
information and interviews withindustry experts.
(00:51):
This week, I am joined by JohnHurst and Andy Cooper.
Hello, and we have some of thelatest news stories to cover for
you a couple of announcementsand, naturally being the 200th
episode, talking about what youcan expect with the future of
the podcast, because it's goingto be somewhat the same,
(01:13):
naturally, but we do have someplans.
So, welcome to both of you andI'm really excited to dive into
this.
Andy Cooper (01:21):
Thank you, congratulations on 200, by the,
by the way thank you, thanks forhaving us.
Zack Hurst (01:28):
I am very excited.
Naturally I like round numbers,so 200 is kind of a thing and
I've been trying to figure outwhat I wanted to do and having
the both of you on for thisepisode, just it made sense
getting into the news.
Uh, there, there have been someinteresting things going on.
(01:48):
One of the first things Iwanted to talk about was dodge
and their charger, daytona ev.
They just unveiled, uh thepricing and some details and the
trim levels, so I'd love to getinto it and kind of uh discuss
what we think, yeah, I, I'm gladthat, uh, they're getting into
(02:11):
the game.
Andy Cooper (02:12):
Um, I've always been kind of worried about the
stelanthus offerings, um, soit's good to see something a
full ev come out and um, it'snot technically the first, but I
think it's a major release forthem.
Jon Hurst (02:25):
So yeah, yeah, it's not the first for parent company
, um, but it is really the firstfor dodge and I've always felt
that dodge is going to be a verydifficult brand to shift to
electric because of how they'vebranded themselves, their halo
vehicles are the Hellcat modelsand you know 800 horsepower
(02:50):
charger and challenger, you knowstuff like that, and so when
you, when those are your halovehicles, the demographic that
you're going for is the, youknow cars that are going to put
hair on your chest andtraditionally EV, that's been a
tough market for EVs to get into.
But if Dodge having a full EVmodel means that people are
(03:16):
going to be test driving thiscar and the media is going to be
especially automotivejournalism is going to be
testing these cars side by side,because that's going to be
especially automotive journalismis going to be testing these
cars side by side because that'sgoing to happen.
That's what it's there for Thenit's going to be really
interesting to see thecomparisons between these and
how they pack up in terms ofperformance, because performance
(03:37):
is what Dodge is selling thesedays.
Zack Hurst (03:43):
Yes, and that, of course, with an electric car, is
not something you have to giveup.
What traditionally you do giveup with an EV is what makes many
Dodge vehicles now so exciting,not only for the driver and
(04:03):
those inside the vehicle, butalso for people outside the
vehicle the sound and the feel.
Yes, I had a challenger driveby me the other day and of
course you hear the exhaust, butas it was like right up on me
then, I heard the whine of thesupercharger and it put a smile
(04:26):
on my face Like I couldn't helpit.
It was just like, hmm, thatsounds so nice.
So Dodge has done somethingwith with this EV.
Um, it's making an exhaust soundand it's not pumped through
speakers like you might expect.
(04:48):
It's an actual like mufflerwith air flowing through it.
It's just they are pumping airthrough it with an electric pump
.
Personally, I think that'simportant for Dodge specifically
, but also important for peoplethat want to have a smoother
(05:09):
transition from internalcombustion engine over to ev.
And dodge isn't the only onethat's putting sound as a part
of the experience of drivingtheir ev.
Hyundai does that with theIoniq 5N and John, actually,
when we were at the Expo, theBMW.
Of course, that was aexperience of an EV that has
(05:29):
more performance than most ofthe cars that might be driving
(05:52):
around it on the roads.
Andy Cooper (05:53):
Yeah, I've never been a muscle car person, so the
sound to me it's never been anappealing factor for me.
So I'm probably one of theworst people to ask about this.
I love the quietness of EVsmyself, but I do understand that
(06:14):
some people like that sound andcertainly as far as a
performance racing and all thatstuff, if it's tuned in to how
you're driving around, it'sanother input factor that you
can use to know what to do inthat kind of sporty driving.
So I mean there is a legitimatepurpose for that kind of thing.
But I've never just been one tosay, drive around the
(06:37):
neighborhood and rev my engineto let everyone know I'm around.
So to me personally it's not abig appeal, uh, to other people
it it?
You know that's a legitimateappeal to someone and uh, and
you know it's, it's what getsthem going.
So that's a good thing.
I guess it certainly appeals toa whole new audience, I mean
(06:59):
potentially I agree with.
Jon Hurst (07:01):
I agree with a lot of what you're saying there.
Um it.
It doesn't really appeal to me.
When I hear something with asuper loud exhaust, be that two
wheels or four wheels, myimmediate thought is, okay,
you're compensating.
But on the flip side, when wedrove that BMW, having that
(07:22):
audible signal as to what theRPM was was super helpful.
I could see on a track saying,okay, I am now, if you're trying
to spot the apex and you don'twant to be looking at the
speedometer, knowing how fast orslow you're going in order to
(07:45):
start turning the wheel to turnin towards the apex can be super
helpful.
I know we had a when we were atthe the event I had a
discussion about how useful thatsound is, but I I'm.
I didn't think I was to be forit because traditionally I'm a
(08:06):
huge fan of authenticity.
It's like why create a sound orsome part of the experience
that isn't normally there in thefirst place?
But it turned out that I likedit because I could use it as a
tool.
Zack Hurst (08:19):
First of all, andy, you are the perfect person to
ask because of all the reasonswhy you said you might not be.
Generally, I feel that yourepresent probably the largest
group of people that are EVowners, in that most people that
are just buying cars in generalare not going to care
(08:43):
necessarily about these things.
So knowing your perspective, Ithink brings a lot to the
conversation and, just like John, I agree with most of what you
said.
It's it might not be real orauthentic, to use your word,
john, but reality is perceptionand what we perceive and if it
(09:05):
influences the experience thatwe have when driving the car and
we enjoy it more, or, to useyour point, it's a practical
tool to give feedback in adifferent way so that we don't
rely only on touch and sight.
I think for all of thosereasons I mean it's something
(09:27):
that, especially with Dodge, aswe've mentioned, you know, I
genuinely believe Dodge couldn'tmake an EV that was silent and
sell it very well, so for themit's almost mandatory.
Now, whether their traditionalbuyer will accept the fact that
this is generated or artificialin some way and not directly
(09:49):
tied to a big performance V8, Ithink that's a valid criticism
until you get in the car.
Jon Hurst (09:58):
Sitting in the car is going to make a huge difference
.
Being able to take that for atest drive and being able to see
those comparisons, I think it'sgoing to make a big difference.
Zack Hurst (10:07):
The base model RT, the gas-powered Dodge Charger RT
.
That has 370 horsepower, whichis a decent amount, but in terms
of comparing to other EVs orperformance vehicles it's okay.
The EV is 496 horsepower and404 pound-feet of torque for the
(10:33):
RT and that's standard.
They call that their directconnection stage one upgrade,
which okay, but that issignificantly more.
And even if the car did weigh athousand pounds more and I'm
(10:54):
just pulling that out, thatamount of power, especially with
the torque, I mean, andy, youdrive a car that basically is in
those numbers, you know, kindof in that range, and never use
that and this is the gv60, right?
Andy Cooper (11:11):
yeah, you think the performance, performance, yeah,
um I never use that boostbutton, I just drive it around
as it is.
I do drive it in sport mode andthat just goes so easy, like I
I've used it once, like therewas a time where I was at a
stoplight and I needed to getover in a lane so I used it once
(11:32):
and you know it put a smile toear to ear.
That worked better than Ithought it would.
But yeah, having that amount ofpower is just uh, I don't know
if I could drive around that allthe time with that level of
power going on.
Jon Hurst (11:47):
Yeah, so is there going to be a performance
version of the ev?
Zack Hurst (11:53):
yes.
So, um, they haven't, as far asI can see, released anything
that is like hellcat comparable.
But after you have RT, thenyou've got the SCAT pack, which
the gas-powered SCAT pack is 485horsepower.
(12:13):
So from the RT to the SCAT packthat's 115 horsepower boost.
That's pretty significant Likeclearly you're going to notice
that difference Prettysignificant, Like clearly you're
going to notice that difference, you'll feel it.
With the EV, it's what they'recalling the direct connection
stage two upgrade.
And that, well, instead of 496horsepower and 406 pound-feet of
(12:38):
torque, that brings it to 670horsepower and 627 foot of
torque.
Andy, yeah, you will never usethat.
Um, basically, that puts it inline with the performance
(13:00):
straight line performance specsof the model 3 performance uh
well, the older model threeperformance, not the highland.
Refresh uh so zero to 60 in 3.3seconds, quarter mile, and 11
and a half faster than a ferrarif40.
Oh yeah, you know, I I am gonnahave to, john, I hate to say
(13:23):
this because it breaks my hearttoo um, we need to stop
comparing to a 40 year old car.
Um, and I'm guilty of itrecently because it I mean, it's
such an icon, but exactly, yeah, it's a benchmark and a lot of
people are aware of it, I thinkit's so easily used.
Jon Hurst (13:47):
But it holds a special place in people's hearts
.
So if you compare to that, thenit sounds more impressive.
Zack Hurst (13:54):
Maybe we need to pick McLaren or Porsche or
Bugatti within, like I don'tknow, this century to compare.
Okay, I'm very on that like Idon't know this century.
Uh, to compare, okay, they wereon there.
I mean, in all fairness, andy'sluxury suv out, accelerates an
f40 um, and you don't have to bea special race driver to like
(14:18):
you could be anybody off thestreet and do that um, except
the thing is with especiallywith these super like, high
performance models of EVs, isthat it just adds fuel to the
fire that, oh, evs can't takecare of their tires.
Jon Hurst (14:36):
You're going to wear down your tires super fast in
the EV.
Well, that's because you'repushing down the happy pedal and
turning your tires intotomorrow's weather report.
Andy Cooper (14:50):
I am stealing that um.
I just did a quick look up hereum the dodge charger, daytona
ev.
Two electric motors, 250kilowatts each, that's, that's
nuts.
Minor is 160.
Think front and back theMustang GTs is like 200s.
Zack Hurst (15:07):
I think Dodge needs to do that.
Any other numbers or any lowernumbers for both the RT and the
Scat Pack.
I do not think that they wouldbe able to justify the pricing.
And the pricing is where,naturally, with EVs generally,
when you compare an electricmodel to a gas powered model
(15:31):
within the same brand so samecar, just one's electric, one's
gas the EV is going to cost morein terms of its sticker price.
Of course, all three of us areEV owners and anybody else
that's an EV owner that'slistening to this, we know,
unless you're paying cash upfront or have another reason
where that is affecting yourfinancial life, most people
(15:55):
finance their cars.
They pay monthly payments, soyou can't really focus on
sticker price.
You've got to break it down towhat are you actually paying?
What is your cost of ownership?
And obviously the EV is goingto cost less over time.
I don't know how long you wouldhave to own the Dodge Charger
(16:22):
Daytona EUV in either trim levelto recoup the premium or the
sticker price.
The RT is starting at $61,590,but the gas-powered Charger RT
from 2023,.
Mind you, that's fourteenthousand dollars less fourteen
(16:46):
thousand dollars.
When you look at maintenance,repairs over time with an ice
vehicle.
That's many years like thatmight be four or five years
before you kind of get to thatpoint let me add to that.
Andy Cooper (17:02):
I don't know if you guys have experience with it.
I'm not too familiar with uh,stelantis or dodge specifically,
but um, as you go into thosemore performant uh engines and
stuff like that, is there animplied higher level of
maintenance or ongoing cost withthat kind of thing?
Zack Hurst (17:20):
I don't know, so I I don't know about Dodge with
this either that dealershipswill often include maintenance
packages where you don't have topay for the maintenance for a
set number of miles or setnumber of years.
So that's also something thatkind of plays into the mix and
(17:40):
that's for the RT.
For the SCAT Pack, the EV is$20,000 more Than the scat pack.
Than the gas-powered scat pack.
Yeah, oh, okay.
So now your scat pack isstarting at $75,185 versus
$55,000, and some change for thegas-powered.
(18:03):
These are expensive cars changefor the gas powered.
These are expensive cars, beingthat Stellantis does have
experience building EVs, andthey make some good ones.
The Fiat 500E, especially therefreshed one, is amazing.
Asking your customers to pay$20,000 more for a product that
generally the impression that Iwould have is that you'd have to
(18:26):
push a little bit further toget them, like to entice them,
to buy it.
Like it's not, like there's aline of Dodge traditionalists
that are going to be standing inline waiting for this car.
I don't know if the pricing isbecause they have to or because
they figured they're not goingto sell many anyway, so they
(18:48):
might as well get what they canto justify the production and
R&D and all of those other costs.
There's a lot of variables thatI don't know about, but, oh my
God, 20 grand difference isthat's no joke.
Jon Hurst (19:09):
Maybe it's a situation where they end up
selling a bunch and then say,all right, well, uh, we're gonna
or selling more than theythought they would, and and then
they can reduce the price forthe 2026 maybe I hope so are
these now that twenty thousanddollars isn't just for more
(19:32):
power.
Zack Hurst (19:33):
It does come standard with the track package,
which is an additional upgradethat they're offering, which I
believe you could get if you hadthe RT, but it adds six piston
front and four piston rear,brembo brakes.
Jon Hurst (19:52):
Are they going to end up having brake issues because
of the brakes not being used asmuch as they would on an ICE car
, because those are decent-sizedbrakes, even for an ICE car?
You?
Zack Hurst (19:59):
can tune things where at a certain point it will
engage the friction pads andbasically be a blended use of
the brakes between the motorregeneration, like Porsche does
with the Kaikons and Macans alot of uh evs are are doing that
now.
Yeah, but also I would imagine Ihope that they're not going to
(20:24):
put you know your standard brakepad in this that, as I've
mentioned in a number ofepisodes, can have corrosion
issues from not being used.
But also it's the track package.
So I really would hope and Iwould imagine that people that
are going either for the moreexpensive scat pack option or
(20:47):
adding the track package as anoption to the RT, I would expect
that they're going to want totake it to the track.
Jon Hurst (20:56):
As long as the battery management system has.
Well, not the BMS specifically,but the battery has some decent
cooling.
Shout out to your last podcast.
Zack Hurst (21:09):
Yeah, so it will be interesting.
Cast.
Yeah, so it will be interesting.
Um, this is one vehicle thatnot only because I I want to get
more eds around the track atdominion, but also this it seems
like it would be one of thevery few eds that is
specifically designed for thatenvironment that you could also
(21:32):
drive out and about.
So this is definitely somethingthat I almost want to say.
I want to like wait and get init and drive it and test it and
get that impression of it beforereally being my.
I tend to be critical when Isee things on paper and go you
know why do you do that, butthen when I drive the car it's
(21:55):
like, oh, okay, now I get it, sowe'll see.
Um, the styling is very much afuturistic styling, but
retaining this similar bodyshape of the challenger that
that is for sale now.
Two door.
Jon Hurst (22:10):
I kind of feel like that, the styling, that angular,
futuristic kind of thing, likesimilar to what Hyundai and Kia
are doing.
More so the i5.
But I feel like that's kind ofwhere the industry is going for
this decade.
I feel like there's a lot ofautomakers that are kind of
going down that path, so I don'tthink that's going to look
(22:31):
particularly out of place in,you know, five years.
Andy Cooper (22:35):
I would agree with that I I kind of like styling
that does give homage to itsheritage.
I've always enjoyed andappreciated that kind of thing,
so I think it looks good in thatregard.
Um, like, there's no complaintfor me on that kind of thing,
it's a good looking carregardless.
Zack Hurst (22:54):
I love the way it looks and one of the things that
at least here in Richmond ifyou go to like Carson coffee or
any car meet.
That's a little bit bigger.
It's full of challengers andsome I'm sorry chargers and some
challengers.
This could sit in a row ofother Dodge performance upgraded
(23:18):
, modified vehicles and be verywell right at home.
One thing I would love to seedirectly from the company is
aftermarket mods and optionsthat not only change the
aesthetics but also, uh, forperformance related upgrades and
(23:39):
knowing that dodge is dodgeright like.
I think it's only a matter oftime before we see a version of
this or maybe another modelthat's well over a thousand
horsepower.
That is going to compete, youknow, go toe-to-toe sub 10
seconds, because the hellcat,the red eye that they said, will
(24:00):
do like around nine secondquarter miles fairly
consistently.
So I think we'll see an evversion of that, or at least I
really hope we do.
I would, I would like that.
Just to know that that existsin the world would be enough for
me.
Andy Cooper (24:16):
That is something I'm very much looking forward to
, just kind of aftermarket forany brand in general.
I'm hoping that picks upbecause I think that's really
important, actually because fromthat you get longevity, from
(24:36):
that you get longevity.
So if you do end up like havinga 10 year old EV where the
battery is actually failing,there's opportunity there to,
you know, rejuvenate thatvehicle, bring it back into, you
know, usability and probablythe frame is well.
I let's just assume that aframe doesn't rust away.
But if that's the case, then ifyou can say one, either put a
(24:58):
new battery pack in there or putan upgraded battery pack.
So a car like mine or something, it has a range of 235.
But 10 years from now maybe Ican put a better battery pack in
it and get 250, 270 out, packin it and get 250 270 out.
Zack Hurst (25:16):
I would expect that for a lot of the vehicles that
are going to have well one, abrand that is easy to work with
from a software side of things,that's going to be um, that's
key the nissan leaf, the firstgeneration leaf.
There are so many batteryupgrades, even aftermarket, that
you can do, because it's likeyou can even take the larger
(25:36):
Nissan Leaf batteries and putthem in the cars that originally
came with the smaller ones.
So that is something that wehave an example of that already,
but it's going to come down tohow the computers in the car
respond, where maybe you'll needto have an aftermarket software
(26:00):
.
Andy Cooper (26:00):
Yes.
Zack Hurst (26:02):
And that's possible, you know, but it's.
You're going to have brandslike Tesla that are going to be
more similar to Apple computers,that they don't really want you
messing with it, like, leave italone, we've made the best
thing and you just need to dealwith what we give you.
And then you're going to haveother brands that are like PCs,
(26:24):
that the people that want toupgrade and modify and screw
around with it, like I reallythink that will be there,
because one, uh, right to repairlaws exist, um, but two, as we
get further into this, thepeople that are going to adopt
evs are going to be more of.
(26:44):
There are going to be morepeople that want to modify them
from a performance aspect, yeah,so, transitioning then to
another news story, because wewant to cover more than just one
, um actually, somewhat maybe,relates to the traditional buyer
(27:04):
that would go for a dodgeperformance vehicle.
Not all of them are going to beRepublican.
I know that.
You know, performance is kindof crosses the aisle, but
generally, john, I think you hadsaid, like the cars that put
hair on your chest, like when Ienvision that I see them as
(27:28):
being on the Republican side ofthings.
On the Republican side ofthings.
Well, there's no question thatwhen the leader of the
Republican Party says somethingor continues to say something
over and over and over again,that many of the Republican
citizens of the country willagree with that or at least be
(27:55):
paying attention.
So a lot of people have beenvery concerned about Trump and
his position on EVs.
I find it personally verydifficult to know what Trump's
position actually is on anything, regardless of what comes out
(28:18):
of his mouth, because he's muchmore strategic and mindful
behind the scenes of what hedoes and how he does it, where,
when he's in front of amicrophone, I don't think you
can put a lot of weight on onhis words.
Um, so all of the stuff likethat's anti-ev.
(28:42):
I I haven't really believed it.
Um, I think it's pandering inmany ways.
So so now I'm even moreconfused because just within the
last week or so, trump, at acampaign rally in Atlanta,
(29:03):
georgia, basically, has saidthat he's not against electric
cars, he's for them and has nochoice but to back electric
vehicles.
Uh, because of elon musk andthe endorsement that that elon
gave trump.
I've always found that electricvehicles shouldn't be a
(29:25):
political issue, but it seemslike I'm one of the few people
that thinks or says that,because everybody makes it a
political issue.
So now what?
Andy Cooper (29:37):
well, uh, to your point about making evs a
political thing, um, I think Imean it's.
It's not unique to you to evs.
Uh, everything's been madepolitical.
If there's any level ofcontroversy, and EVs are just
among those things and I don'tknow, it riles the right people
(29:57):
up or something.
But yeah, I, to me, I still amhighly skeptical, even if he
does change how he says.
Or you know, week one he'll sayEVs are gone.
Week one, he'll say EVs aregone.
Week two, he says okay, I haveno choice but to accept EVs, I
(30:18):
guess very reluctantly.
So in general, I still thinkthat he just goes to the highest
bidder in the end.
So he'll say whatever gets himthe votes.
One thing he is consistent onis selfishness.
So if it comes to that, if itcomes to affecting him
(30:38):
negatively, then he won't likeit.
Jon Hurst (30:47):
So that's probably the biggest or best barometer
you can go by of what directionhe would take.
I think that's one thing thatI'm hoping is that if Trump
warms to EVs regardless of thereason and regardless of who
ends up in an office after nextJanuary if Trump warms to EVs
(31:08):
because Elon is supporting himor whatever, and that influences
folks on the political right toat least warm to EVs, if not
embrace them and you have theleft already embracing EVs, and
maybe that makes it so that it'snot a political issue as much
(31:28):
anymore.
It's just technology.
Technology doesn't care whereyou fall on the political
spectrum.
You know, for some reason youhave people that are, you know,
anti-environmentalism orpro-environmentalism or whatever
.
But regardless, if people onboth sides of the aisle are
(31:49):
embracing EVs, then you know, Ican't see that as a bad thing
are embracing EVs, then you know, I can't see that as a bad
thing.
Andy Cooper (31:56):
I had a similar thought too, actually, when I
first heard the news about thisis like, hey, you know, it's a
good thing.
Maybe we can kind of not worryabout the political stance of an
EV and just let it be likeyou're saying something that's
neutral and if you like them,great, if not, you don't have to
get one.
Yep.
Zack Hurst (32:16):
It's that last part that gets lost and in some cases
, like when you have a mandateto have all new car sales all
electric by a certain date, yeah, that's where what is heard is,
and you don't have a choice,you have to have, yeah, um, that
(32:40):
being said, the used car marketis still very, very strong and
cars are lasting longer andlonger these days, so it'll
probably be maybe 2050 before wesee very little when it comes
to gas-powered or dieselvehicles driving on the roads.
Jon Hurst (33:01):
Yeah, I don't think ICE vehicles are going anywhere
anytime soon, which is fine,yeah um, well, and it's.
Zack Hurst (33:07):
It's only fine if you aren't strongly, for all of
the reasons why you mightstrongly be for evs.
Uh, in terms of the air qualityor climate issues and
environmental stuff.
Um, and I, I'd like to actuallyseparate air quality being its
own issue versus theenvironmental climate stuff,
(33:30):
because there's tons of reasonswhy you want clean air and it
also depends on what you'reusing the vehicle for.
Jon Hurst (33:37):
You know if it's commuting or if it's like uh,
weekend.
You know track time orsomething like that too.
Zack Hurst (33:48):
So I find it very interesting and I mean there are
many things that theconservative right says that
echo things that I say asreasons for EVs or for clean
energy as a whole, like reducingcosts.
(34:12):
So you have the economicreasons, you have the energy
independence reasons, the jobsreasons, like so many reasons
why EVs are a good thing.
I don't know if you guys looked, looked at you know some of the
things that vance has saidwhere I'm like, looking at it
going okay, you're saying thatthose are all the reasons why
(34:34):
you don't want to have evs.
Five out of six of those thingsare applicable to evs.
So I think it's a lot of talk,a lot of positioning, a lot of
politics that when we strip thataway, the reality that I
believe we can expect is thatthings will continue in many
(35:01):
ways like they have been.
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So we do have a couple of thingsto talk about outside of the
news, maybe four or five of thelast podcasts.
At the very end I've changedwhat I've said, where I haven't
(37:17):
been saying that this podcast isa production of EV Resource
anymore.
I don't know how many peoplehave picked up on the subtle
change, but this podcast is aproduction of EvoSpark Media
Group, which is now a companythat is the parent of the EV
Resource brand, as well as a fewother brands and the events.
(37:39):
So that is a change and alongwith that, within the next six
months somewhat near futurethere are plans of adding even
more podcasts or other newsoutlets that focus on EVs and
clean energy to the group.
That will be something tofollow.
(38:07):
Now that means that EV resourcewill be a little bit more
narrowly focused Generally,unless it relates to China, as
an example, and how thatinfluences what's happening here
in North America.
Ev resource is primarily goingto focus on EV side of things
with passenger vehicles here inNorth America.
Generally.
(38:28):
That's kind of what it's alwaysbeen, but now it's going to be
that way on purpose, becausethere is so much going on all
over the world that there's noway we can keep up with that but
compensate, there will be otheruh outlets or brands or
podcasts that focus on otherareas around the world.
(38:52):
Yeah, trying to expand and notbe the one thing for everybody,
because you can't do thatanymore, um, but to be the
everything for everybody.
So that is exciting, along withthat EV resource specifically,
actually, andy, because of yourthoughts and encouragements, is
(39:18):
going to be focused a lot onbeing a resource for not only
consumers and people that arepurchasing passenger vehicles
and EVs here in the US, but alsoto support the EV advocates.
In many ways, people like myselfbut, andy, I know you go to a
(39:41):
lot of events and talk to a lotof people as well, and we're not
alone.
The people that are at theground level are still very much
the ones that, in many ways,can be most influential for
affecting consumer efforts andconsumer behavior and the
(40:02):
outcome of what to expectefforts and consumer behavior
and the outcome of what toexpect.
So, andy, I'm actually going tolet you kind of announce the
idea that came from your brain,which I love, that we are going
to finalize and have fairly soon.
A lot of it's already beenworked through, so last minute
details need to be tied together.
(40:23):
A lot of it's already beenworked through, so last minute
details need to be tied together, but why don't I shut up and
let you tell everybody what?
Andy Cooper (40:29):
I'm talking about.
Okay, so I work in the securityindustry and we have these
certifications that essentiallythere are some letters next to
your name, but what itsymbolizes is you can talk like
a standard language, and so theconcept that Zach and I came up
(40:50):
with was essentially an EVambassador, and so this is
probably a person who would andthis would be like based on a
standardized test, like anycertification is, as well as a
ongoing education that you wouldhave to maintain.
(41:12):
But the idea is this person,the EV ambassador.
If you approach them, you canfeel pretty comfortable that
they would have like a baselevel of knowledge about EVs.
We're not talking like atechnician.
Zack Hurst (41:26):
You know someone who can get under the hood, or
something like that.
Andy Cooper (41:28):
But they have enough knowledge, both kind of
on an industry level, about EVsin general probably like EV
offerings and general knowledgeabout all the companies that
offer EVs to.
Essentially you can go to themand they can answer questions
for you and guide you throughgetting used to the concept of
(41:49):
owning an EV.
So it's kind of yeah, that isthe idea behind this
certification.
Zack Hurst (41:57):
And that is one of a number of certifications that
is being worked on, ofcertifications that is being
worked on Now.
The reason that this would beimportant is mainly because
there's a lot of misinformationthat circulates.
I have people tell me thingsall the time that I'm going.
I know exactly where they heardthat and it's so wrong.
(42:22):
So EV Resource as a brand, asan entity, has some credibility.
Where we know EVs, we know theright things about EVs.
But also because of some of thepartnerships that I've been
working on in terms of how tocommunicate effectively with
(42:47):
anybody you talk to, books likethis one, like those, have
influenced oh no, and for thosethat aren't watching, that was
talking across the divide.
Yeah, my mugs.
(43:07):
Oh well, it was lamenting theidea that it wasn't a black mug.
Well, that one, no, that one,the handle broke.
It's the Voltage Velocity Games.
Oh, the green's not showing up.
Uh, this is all green, whichwas the genesis behind the uh
(43:33):
electric vehicle festival, whichis what this one was.
Oh well, anyway, um, moving on.
Uh, so there, there will be anumber of certifications, but
basically, ev Resource isperfectly positioned to be the
body, the certifying body, bothwith the curriculum that we've
(43:57):
put together and are finalizingNow, the reasons that somebody
would want to have thiscertification is because they
want to signal to maybe otherpeople, members of the public,
but then also, um, andy, one ofthe things that I thought would
be quite valuable is, eveninternally within the industry,
(44:19):
if somebody, as an EV advocate,uh, was certified through the
process and then tested toprovide basically that third
party verification of what theirknowledge is.
Now you can go to dealerassociations, you can go to
(44:40):
dealerships, you can go todealerships, you can get
involved in training groups orbusinesses, so much more than
just talking to people at events, there really are a lot of
applications for a certificationlike this.
Andy Cooper (45:07):
So it's exciting and I love the fact that it's
something that we can work on toadd a little bit more value um
to the space.
Yeah, no, yeah, and that'sexactly what this is meant to do
.
It.
It adds a littleprofessionalism, rather than,
you know, kind of like thehomegrown um approach a lot of
us have been taking as EVenthusiasts amongst ourselves.
It gives a new level oflegitimacy to people who are
(45:32):
interested in breaking out intothe EV industry in some form or
fashion.
Jon Hurst (45:36):
The EV industry is just growing.
It's not going to stop growing,and if you have a certification
on your resume, then that mightadd value to you as a
prospective employee as well.
Zack Hurst (45:49):
I guarantee it If you I mean just like any degree
or certification now if you havethe ability to tell people
without telling them.
You know in very little words,I know this.
You know, john, you work in thecomputer side of things Like
there are certain certificationsthat all you need to do is say
(46:11):
I am certified in this and it.
That communicates so much morethan that.
Jon Hurst (46:18):
Yeah, that could be worth $10,000 a year in pay, if
not more.
Andy Cooper (46:23):
Yeah could be yeah as soon as it gets.
If it gets recognized andpeople appreciate it, it's
legitimate and maintained.
Well, it adds that underpinningof potential.
Essentially yeah, so yeah.
Zack Hurst (46:42):
Yeah, very exciting.
Yeah, yeah, very exciting.
Um, outside of that, I'vementioned probably a lot of the
other updates, um, or uh, whatI've got going on with the other
sides of of the ev space that Ioperate in.
Um, the event coming up inoctober naturally is a big one.
Um, something that I haven'ttold, but maybe three people.
(47:06):
This is exciting actually.
This week I ordered a fastcharger and it needs to be put
together and the softwareobviously loaded onto the
charger, but that is going to beshipped to dominion raceway and
(47:30):
very nice, congratulations, I'mpermitting, is going to be the.
The timeline, that is stillquestionable, but the intention
and there might still be apossibility of having it
installed at the racetrack to beused for the event.
(47:50):
So that's a big milestonemoment, for not only will it be
available to the public ofpeople coming up and down i-95,
should they need it, uh, duringdominion raceways business hours
(48:11):
, but then also we can do a lotmore at the track, which of
course gets me excited.
Andy Cooper (48:18):
So it should get the track excited too for evs
that location there's not a veryconvenient location.
Jon Hurst (48:27):
It's EA in Spotsylvania.
Zack Hurst (48:30):
Yeah, like 10 to 15 miles, depending on whether
you're Tesla or CCS, but thenit's more the time.
Yeah, where if you're runningaround the track and you want a
fast charge, well, now you gotto drive 15, 20 minutes up the
road.
Yeah, charge for however longyou decide to charge, but then
not only are you taking another15 to 20 minutes to get back,
(48:51):
you're using electricity thatyou just charged with in order
to get there.
So, yeah, like it.
It's one of those spots that,for the very first charger of
many that are coming, it made alot of sense, so it's exciting
that it is in the works.
(49:12):
I don't know official timelines, so I can't promise that.
Yes, it will be available, butI'm doing everything I can to
make sure that the T's arecrossed and the I's are dotted
to make sure that it will beavailable.
And there are a number of othersites that we're starting to
work on and other partnerships.
(49:33):
There's a lot going on andactually, with two sites in
particular that we're working on, there is some opportunity.
I don't ask for money usually,but I do like to offer
opportunities.
So anybody that is interestedin reach out let me know,
because we should talk and therecould be some really, really
(49:57):
significant potential.
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All right, that's pretty muchall I've got, so I want to thank
you both for hopping on episode200.
I think this did it justice interms of, in many ways, covering
the news, which is a a verysignificant nod to the origin of
(50:39):
the podcast, but also beingable to make a couple of
announcements and for the futureof the podcast.
Essentially, we're not going todo the news without having
multiple people to discuss it,so I would like to see the two
of you, but then if anybody elsewants to throw their hat into
(50:59):
the ring and say, hey, I couldbe a co-host, definitely open to
it.
You know.
Jon Hurst (51:04):
Let's see who gets certified.
Zack Hurst (51:08):
I like it, john.
Ooh, I mean, I don't know,We'll see.
But yes, thank you very muchfor joining me.
It is an honor and pleasure tobe able to do this with you all
alongside.
Andy Cooper (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Thanks for having us.
Thank you.
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Instead of 496 horsepower and406 pound-feet of torque, that
(00:30):
brings it to 670 horsepower and627 foot-pounds of torque.
Andy, yeah, you will never usethat.
Well, hello friends, andwelcome to episode 200 of the EV
Resource Podcast.
I'm Zach Hurst and each week, Ibring you the latest EV news,
information and interviews withindustry experts.
(00:51):
This week, I am joined by JohnHurst and Andy Cooper.
Hello, and we have some of thelatest news stories to cover for
you a couple of announcementsand, naturally being the 200th
episode, talking about what youcan expect with the future of
the podcast, because it's goingto be somewhat the same,
(01:13):
naturally, but we do have someplans.
So, welcome to both of you andI'm really excited to dive into
this.
Andy Cooper (01:21):
Thank you, congratulations on 200, by the,
by the way thank you, thanks forhaving us.
Zack Hurst (01:28):
I am very excited.
Naturally I like round numbers,so 200 is kind of a thing and
I've been trying to figure outwhat I wanted to do and having
the both of you on for thisepisode, just it made sense
getting into the news.
Uh, there, there have been someinteresting things going on.
(01:48):
One of the first things Iwanted to talk about was dodge
and their charger, daytona ev.
They just unveiled, uh thepricing and some details and the
trim levels, so I'd love to getinto it and kind of uh discuss
what we think, yeah, I, I'm gladthat, uh, they're getting into
(02:11):
the game.
Andy Cooper (02:12):
Um, I've always been kind of worried about the
stelanthus offerings, um, soit's good to see something a
full ev come out and um, it'snot technically the first, but I
think it's a major release forthem.
Jon Hurst (02:25):
So yeah, yeah, it's not the first for parent company
, um, but it is really the firstfor dodge and I've always felt
that dodge is going to be a verydifficult brand to shift to
electric because of how they'vebranded themselves, their halo
vehicles are the Hellcat modelsand you know 800 horsepower
(02:50):
charger and challenger, you knowstuff like that, and so when
you, when those are your halovehicles, the demographic that
you're going for is the, youknow cars that are going to put
hair on your chest andtraditionally EV, that's been a
tough market for EVs to get into.
But if Dodge having a full EVmodel means that people are
(03:16):
going to be test driving thiscar and the media is going to be
especially automotivejournalism is going to be
testing these cars side by side,because that's going to be
especially automotive journalismis going to be testing these
cars side by side because that'sgoing to happen.
That's what it's there for Thenit's going to be really
interesting to see thecomparisons between these and
how they pack up in terms ofperformance, because performance
(03:37):
is what Dodge is selling thesedays.
Zack Hurst (03:43):
Yes, and that, of course, with an electric car, is
not something you have to giveup.
What traditionally you do giveup with an EV is what makes many
Dodge vehicles now so exciting,not only for the driver and
(04:03):
those inside the vehicle, butalso for people outside the
vehicle the sound and the feel.
Yes, I had a challenger driveby me the other day and of
course you hear the exhaust, butas it was like right up on me
then, I heard the whine of thesupercharger and it put a smile
(04:26):
on my face Like I couldn't helpit.
It was just like, hmm, thatsounds so nice.
So Dodge has done somethingwith with this EV.
Um, it's making an exhaust soundand it's not pumped through
speakers like you might expect.
(04:48):
It's an actual like mufflerwith air flowing through it.
It's just they are pumping airthrough it with an electric pump
.
Personally, I think that'simportant for Dodge specifically
, but also important for peoplethat want to have a smoother
(05:09):
transition from internalcombustion engine over to ev.
And dodge isn't the only onethat's putting sound as a part
of the experience of drivingtheir ev.
Hyundai does that with theIoniq 5N and John, actually,
when we were at the Expo, theBMW.
Of course, that was aexperience of an EV that has
(05:29):
more performance than most ofthe cars that might be driving
(05:52):
around it on the roads.
Andy Cooper (05:53):
Yeah, I've never been a muscle car person, so the
sound to me it's never been anappealing factor for me.
So I'm probably one of theworst people to ask about this.
I love the quietness of EVsmyself, but I do understand that
(06:14):
some people like that sound andcertainly as far as a
performance racing and all thatstuff, if it's tuned in to how
you're driving around, it'sanother input factor that you
can use to know what to do inthat kind of sporty driving.
So I mean there is a legitimatepurpose for that kind of thing.
But I've never just been one tosay, drive around the
(06:37):
neighborhood and rev my engineto let everyone know I'm around.
So to me personally it's not abig appeal, uh, to other people
it it?
You know that's a legitimateappeal to someone and uh, and
you know it's, it's what getsthem going.
So that's a good thing.
I guess it certainly appeals toa whole new audience, I mean
(06:59):
potentially I agree with.
Jon Hurst (07:01):
I agree with a lot of what you're saying there.
Um it.
It doesn't really appeal to me.
When I hear something with asuper loud exhaust, be that two
wheels or four wheels, myimmediate thought is, okay,
you're compensating.
But on the flip side, when wedrove that BMW, having that
(07:22):
audible signal as to what theRPM was was super helpful.
I could see on a track saying,okay, I am now, if you're trying
to spot the apex and you don'twant to be looking at the
speedometer, knowing how fast orslow you're going in order to
(07:45):
start turning the wheel to turnin towards the apex can be super
helpful.
I know we had a when we were atthe the event I had a
discussion about how useful thatsound is, but I I'm.
I didn't think I was to be forit because traditionally I'm a
(08:06):
huge fan of authenticity.
It's like why create a sound orsome part of the experience
that isn't normally there in thefirst place?
But it turned out that I likedit because I could use it as a
tool.
Zack Hurst (08:19):
First of all, andy, you are the perfect person to
ask because of all the reasonswhy you said you might not be.
Generally, I feel that yourepresent probably the largest
group of people that are EVowners, in that most people that
are just buying cars in generalare not going to care
(08:43):
necessarily about these things.
So knowing your perspective, Ithink brings a lot to the
conversation and, just like John, I agree with most of what you
said.
It's it might not be real orauthentic, to use your word,
john, but reality is perceptionand what we perceive and if it
(09:05):
influences the experience thatwe have when driving the car and
we enjoy it more, or, to useyour point, it's a practical
tool to give feedback in adifferent way so that we don't
rely only on touch and sight.
I think for all of thosereasons I mean it's something
(09:27):
that, especially with Dodge, aswe've mentioned, you know, I
genuinely believe Dodge couldn'tmake an EV that was silent and
sell it very well, so for themit's almost mandatory.
Now, whether their traditionalbuyer will accept the fact that
this is generated or artificialin some way and not directly
(09:49):
tied to a big performance V8, Ithink that's a valid criticism
until you get in the car.
Jon Hurst (09:58):
Sitting in the car is going to make a huge difference
.
Being able to take that for atest drive and being able to see
those comparisons, I think it'sgoing to make a big difference.
Zack Hurst (10:07):
The base model RT, the gas-powered Dodge Charger RT
.
That has 370 horsepower, whichis a decent amount, but in terms
of comparing to other EVs orperformance vehicles it's okay.
The EV is 496 horsepower and404 pound-feet of torque for the
(10:33):
RT and that's standard.
They call that their directconnection stage one upgrade,
which okay, but that issignificantly more.
And even if the car did weigh athousand pounds more and I'm
(10:54):
just pulling that out, thatamount of power, especially with
the torque, I mean, andy, youdrive a car that basically is in
those numbers, you know, kindof in that range, and never use
that and this is the gv60, right?
Andy Cooper (11:11):
yeah, you think the performance, performance, yeah,
um I never use that boostbutton, I just drive it around
as it is.
I do drive it in sport mode andthat just goes so easy, like I
I've used it once, like therewas a time where I was at a
stoplight and I needed to getover in a lane so I used it once
(11:32):
and you know it put a smile toear to ear.
That worked better than Ithought it would.
But yeah, having that amount ofpower is just uh, I don't know
if I could drive around that allthe time with that level of
power going on.
Jon Hurst (11:47):
Yeah, so is there going to be a performance
version of the ev?
Zack Hurst (11:53):
yes.
So, um, they haven't, as far asI can see, released anything
that is like hellcat comparable.
But after you have RT, thenyou've got the SCAT pack, which
the gas-powered SCAT pack is 485horsepower.
(12:13):
So from the RT to the SCAT packthat's 115 horsepower boost.
That's pretty significant Likeclearly you're going to notice
that difference Prettysignificant, Like clearly you're
going to notice that difference, you'll feel it.
With the EV, it's what they'recalling the direct connection
stage two upgrade.
And that, well, instead of 496horsepower and 406 pound-feet of
(12:38):
torque, that brings it to 670horsepower and 627 foot of
torque.
Andy, yeah, you will never usethat.
Um, basically, that puts it inline with the performance
(13:00):
straight line performance specsof the model 3 performance uh
well, the older model threeperformance, not the highland.
Refresh uh so zero to 60 in 3.3seconds, quarter mile, and 11
and a half faster than a ferrarif40.
Oh yeah, you know, I I am gonnahave to, john, I hate to say
(13:23):
this because it breaks my hearttoo um, we need to stop
comparing to a 40 year old car.
Um, and I'm guilty of itrecently because it I mean, it's
such an icon, but exactly, yeah, it's a benchmark and a lot of
people are aware of it, I thinkit's so easily used.
Jon Hurst (13:47):
But it holds a special place in people's hearts
.
So if you compare to that, thenit sounds more impressive.
Zack Hurst (13:54):
Maybe we need to pick McLaren or Porsche or
Bugatti within, like I don'tknow, this century to compare.
Okay, I'm very on that like Idon't know this century.
Uh, to compare, okay, they wereon there.
I mean, in all fairness, andy'sluxury suv out, accelerates an
f40 um, and you don't have to bea special race driver to like
(14:18):
you could be anybody off thestreet and do that um, except
the thing is with especiallywith these super like, high
performance models of EVs, isthat it just adds fuel to the
fire that, oh, evs can't takecare of their tires.
Jon Hurst (14:36):
You're going to wear down your tires super fast in
the EV.
Well, that's because you'repushing down the happy pedal and
turning your tires intotomorrow's weather report.
Andy Cooper (14:50):
I am stealing that um.
I just did a quick look up hereum the dodge charger, daytona
ev.
Two electric motors, 250kilowatts each, that's, that's
nuts.
Minor is 160.
Think front and back theMustang GTs is like 200s.
Zack Hurst (15:07):
I think Dodge needs to do that.
Any other numbers or any lowernumbers for both the RT and the
Scat Pack.
I do not think that they wouldbe able to justify the pricing.
And the pricing is where,naturally, with EVs generally,
when you compare an electricmodel to a gas powered model
(15:31):
within the same brand so samecar, just one's electric, one's
gas the EV is going to cost morein terms of its sticker price.
Of course, all three of us areEV owners and anybody else
that's an EV owner that'slistening to this, we know,
unless you're paying cash upfront or have another reason
where that is affecting yourfinancial life, most people
(15:55):
finance their cars.
They pay monthly payments, soyou can't really focus on
sticker price.
You've got to break it down towhat are you actually paying?
What is your cost of ownership?
And obviously the EV is goingto cost less over time.
I don't know how long you wouldhave to own the Dodge Charger
(16:22):
Daytona EUV in either trim levelto recoup the premium or the
sticker price.
The RT is starting at $61,590,but the gas-powered Charger RT
from 2023,.
Mind you, that's fourteenthousand dollars less fourteen
(16:46):
thousand dollars.
When you look at maintenance,repairs over time with an ice
vehicle.
That's many years like thatmight be four or five years
before you kind of get to thatpoint let me add to that.
Andy Cooper (17:02):
I don't know if you guys have experience with it.
I'm not too familiar with uh,stelantis or dodge specifically,
but um, as you go into thosemore performant uh engines and
stuff like that, is there animplied higher level of
maintenance or ongoing cost withthat kind of thing?
Zack Hurst (17:20):
I don't know, so I I don't know about Dodge with
this either that dealershipswill often include maintenance
packages where you don't have topay for the maintenance for a
set number of miles or setnumber of years.
So that's also something thatkind of plays into the mix and
(17:40):
that's for the RT.
For the SCAT Pack, the EV is$20,000 more Than the scat pack.
Than the gas-powered scat pack.
Yeah, oh, okay.
So now your scat pack isstarting at $75,185 versus
$55,000, and some change for thegas-powered.
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These are expensive cars changefor the gas powered.
These are expensive cars, beingthat Stellantis does have
experience building EVs, andthey make some good ones.
The Fiat 500E, especially therefreshed one, is amazing.
Asking your customers to pay$20,000 more for a product that
generally the impression that Iwould have is that you'd have to
(18:26):
push a little bit further toget them, like to entice them,
to buy it.
Like it's not, like there's aline of Dodge traditionalists
that are going to be standing inline waiting for this car.
I don't know if the pricing isbecause they have to or because
they figured they're not goingto sell many anyway, so they
(18:48):
might as well get what they canto justify the production and
R&D and all of those other costs.
There's a lot of variables thatI don't know about, but, oh my
God, 20 grand difference isthat's no joke.
Jon Hurst (19:09):
Maybe it's a situation where they end up
selling a bunch and then say,all right, well, uh, we're gonna
or selling more than theythought they would, and and then
they can reduce the price forthe 2026 maybe I hope so are
these now that twenty thousanddollars isn't just for more
(19:32):
power.
Zack Hurst (19:33):
It does come standard with the track package,
which is an additional upgradethat they're offering, which I
believe you could get if you hadthe RT, but it adds six piston
front and four piston rear,brembo brakes.
Jon Hurst (19:52):
Are they going to end up having brake issues because
of the brakes not being used asmuch as they would on an ICE car
, because those are decent-sizedbrakes, even for an ICE car?
You?
Zack Hurst (19:59):
can tune things where at a certain point it will
engage the friction pads andbasically be a blended use of
the brakes between the motorregeneration, like Porsche does
with the Kaikons and Macans alot of uh evs are are doing that
now.
Yeah, but also I would imagine Ihope that they're not going to
(20:24):
put you know your standard brakepad in this that, as I've
mentioned in a number ofepisodes, can have corrosion
issues from not being used.
But also it's the track package.
So I really would hope and Iwould imagine that people that
are going either for the moreexpensive scat pack option or
(20:47):
adding the track package as anoption to the RT, I would expect
that they're going to want totake it to the track.
Jon Hurst (20:56):
As long as the battery management system has.
Well, not the BMS specifically,but the battery has some decent
cooling.
Shout out to your last podcast.
Zack Hurst (21:09):
Yeah, so it will be interesting.
Cast.
Yeah, so it will be interesting.
Um, this is one vehicle thatnot only because I I want to get
more eds around the track atdominion, but also this it seems
like it would be one of thevery few eds that is
specifically designed for thatenvironment that you could also
(21:32):
drive out and about.
So this is definitely somethingthat I almost want to say.
I want to like wait and get init and drive it and test it and
get that impression of it beforereally being my.
I tend to be critical when Isee things on paper and go you
know why do you do that, butthen when I drive the car it's
(21:55):
like, oh, okay, now I get it, sowe'll see.
Um, the styling is very much afuturistic styling, but
retaining this similar bodyshape of the challenger that
that is for sale now.
Two door.
Jon Hurst (22:10):
I kind of feel like that, the styling, that angular,
futuristic kind of thing, likesimilar to what Hyundai and Kia
are doing.
More so the i5.
But I feel like that's kind ofwhere the industry is going for
this decade.
I feel like there's a lot ofautomakers that are kind of
going down that path, so I don'tthink that's going to look
(22:31):
particularly out of place in,you know, five years.
Andy Cooper (22:35):
I would agree with that I I kind of like styling
that does give homage to itsheritage.
I've always enjoyed andappreciated that kind of thing,
so I think it looks good in thatregard.
Um, like, there's no complaintfor me on that kind of thing,
it's a good looking carregardless.
Zack Hurst (22:54):
I love the way it looks and one of the things that
at least here in Richmond ifyou go to like Carson coffee or
any car meet.
That's a little bit bigger.
It's full of challengers andsome I'm sorry chargers and some
challengers.
This could sit in a row ofother Dodge performance upgraded
(23:18):
, modified vehicles and be verywell right at home.
One thing I would love to seedirectly from the company is
aftermarket mods and optionsthat not only change the
aesthetics but also, uh, forperformance related upgrades and
(23:39):
knowing that dodge is dodgeright like.
I think it's only a matter oftime before we see a version of
this or maybe another modelthat's well over a thousand
horsepower.
That is going to compete, youknow, go toe-to-toe sub 10
seconds, because the hellcat,the red eye that they said, will
(24:00):
do like around nine secondquarter miles fairly
consistently.
So I think we'll see an evversion of that, or at least I
really hope we do.
I would, I would like that.
Just to know that that existsin the world would be enough for
me.
Andy Cooper (24:16):
That is something I'm very much looking forward to
, just kind of aftermarket forany brand in general.
I'm hoping that picks upbecause I think that's really
important, actually because fromthat you get longevity, from
(24:36):
that you get longevity.
So if you do end up like havinga 10 year old EV where the
battery is actually failing,there's opportunity there to,
you know, rejuvenate thatvehicle, bring it back into, you
know, usability and probablythe frame is well.
I let's just assume that aframe doesn't rust away.
But if that's the case, then ifyou can say one, either put a
(24:58):
new battery pack in there or putan upgraded battery pack.
So a car like mine or something, it has a range of 235.
But 10 years from now maybe Ican put a better battery pack in
it and get 250, 270 out, packin it and get 250 270 out.
Zack Hurst (25:16):
I would expect that for a lot of the vehicles that
are going to have well one, abrand that is easy to work with
from a software side of things,that's going to be um, that's
key the nissan leaf, the firstgeneration leaf.
There are so many batteryupgrades, even aftermarket, that
you can do, because it's likeyou can even take the larger
(25:36):
Nissan Leaf batteries and putthem in the cars that originally
came with the smaller ones.
So that is something that wehave an example of that already,
but it's going to come down tohow the computers in the car
respond, where maybe you'll needto have an aftermarket software
(26:00):
.
Andy Cooper (26:00):
Yes.
Zack Hurst (26:02):
And that's possible, you know, but it's.
You're going to have brandslike Tesla that are going to be
more similar to Apple computers,that they don't really want you
messing with it, like, leave italone, we've made the best
thing and you just need to dealwith what we give you.
And then you're going to haveother brands that are like PCs,
(26:24):
that the people that want toupgrade and modify and screw
around with it, like I reallythink that will be there,
because one, uh, right to repairlaws exist, um, but two, as we
get further into this, thepeople that are going to adopt
evs are going to be more of.
(26:44):
There are going to be morepeople that want to modify them
from a performance aspect, yeah,so, transitioning then to
another news story, because wewant to cover more than just one
, um actually, somewhat maybe,relates to the traditional buyer
(27:04):
that would go for a dodgeperformance vehicle.
Not all of them are going to beRepublican.
I know that.
You know, performance is kindof crosses the aisle, but
generally, john, I think you hadsaid, like the cars that put
hair on your chest, like when Ienvision that I see them as
(27:28):
being on the Republican side ofthings.
On the Republican side ofthings.
Well, there's no question thatwhen the leader of the
Republican Party says somethingor continues to say something
over and over and over again,that many of the Republican
citizens of the country willagree with that or at least be
(27:55):
paying attention.
So a lot of people have beenvery concerned about Trump and
his position on EVs.
I find it personally verydifficult to know what Trump's
position actually is on anything, regardless of what comes out
(28:18):
of his mouth, because he's muchmore strategic and mindful
behind the scenes of what hedoes and how he does it, where,
when he's in front of amicrophone, I don't think you
can put a lot of weight on onhis words.
Um, so all of the stuff likethat's anti-ev.
(28:42):
I I haven't really believed it.
Um, I think it's pandering inmany ways.
So so now I'm even moreconfused because just within the
last week or so, trump, at acampaign rally in Atlanta,
(29:03):
georgia, basically, has saidthat he's not against electric
cars, he's for them and has nochoice but to back electric
vehicles.
Uh, because of elon musk andthe endorsement that that elon
gave trump.
I've always found that electricvehicles shouldn't be a
(29:25):
political issue, but it seemslike I'm one of the few people
that thinks or says that,because everybody makes it a
political issue.
So now what?
Andy Cooper (29:37):
well, uh, to your point about making evs a
political thing, um, I think Imean it's.
It's not unique to you to evs.
Uh, everything's been madepolitical.
If there's any level ofcontroversy, and EVs are just
among those things and I don'tknow, it riles the right people
(29:57):
up or something.
But yeah, I, to me, I still amhighly skeptical, even if he
does change how he says.
Or you know, week one he'll sayEVs are gone.
Week one, he'll say EVs aregone.
Week two, he says okay, I haveno choice but to accept EVs, I
(30:18):
guess very reluctantly.
So in general, I still thinkthat he just goes to the highest
bidder in the end.
So he'll say whatever gets himthe votes.
One thing he is consistent onis selfishness.
So if it comes to that, if itcomes to affecting him
(30:38):
negatively, then he won't likeit.
Jon Hurst (30:47):
So that's probably the biggest or best barometer
you can go by of what directionhe would take.
I think that's one thing thatI'm hoping is that if Trump
warms to EVs regardless of thereason and regardless of who
ends up in an office after nextJanuary if Trump warms to EVs
(31:08):
because Elon is supporting himor whatever, and that influences
folks on the political right toat least warm to EVs, if not
embrace them and you have theleft already embracing EVs, and
maybe that makes it so that it'snot a political issue as much
(31:28):
anymore.
It's just technology.
Technology doesn't care whereyou fall on the political
spectrum.
You know, for some reason youhave people that are, you know,
anti-environmentalism orpro-environmentalism or whatever
.
But regardless, if people onboth sides of the aisle are
(31:49):
embracing EVs, then you know, Ican't see that as a bad thing
are embracing EVs, then you know, I can't see that as a bad
thing.
Andy Cooper (31:56):
I had a similar thought too, actually, when I
first heard the news about thisis like, hey, you know, it's a
good thing.
Maybe we can kind of not worryabout the political stance of an
EV and just let it be likeyou're saying something that's
neutral and if you like them,great, if not, you don't have to
get one.
Yep.
Zack Hurst (32:16):
It's that last part that gets lost and in some cases
, like when you have a mandateto have all new car sales all
electric by a certain date, yeah, that's where what is heard is,
and you don't have a choice,you have to have, yeah, um, that
(32:40):
being said, the used car marketis still very, very strong and
cars are lasting longer andlonger these days, so it'll
probably be maybe 2050 before wesee very little when it comes
to gas-powered or dieselvehicles driving on the roads.
Jon Hurst (33:01):
Yeah, I don't think ICE vehicles are going anywhere
anytime soon, which is fine,yeah um, well, and it's.
Zack Hurst (33:07):
It's only fine if you aren't strongly, for all of
the reasons why you mightstrongly be for evs.
Uh, in terms of the air qualityor climate issues and
environmental stuff.
Um, and I, I'd like to actuallyseparate air quality being its
own issue versus theenvironmental climate stuff,
(33:30):
because there's tons of reasonswhy you want clean air and it
also depends on what you'reusing the vehicle for.
Jon Hurst (33:37):
You know if it's commuting or if it's like uh,
weekend.
You know track time orsomething like that too.
Zack Hurst (33:48):
So I find it very interesting and I mean there are
many things that theconservative right says that
echo things that I say asreasons for EVs or for clean
energy as a whole, like reducingcosts.
(34:12):
So you have the economicreasons, you have the energy
independence reasons, the jobsreasons, like so many reasons
why EVs are a good thing.
I don't know if you guys looked, looked at you know some of the
things that vance has saidwhere I'm like, looking at it
going okay, you're saying thatthose are all the reasons why
(34:34):
you don't want to have evs.
Five out of six of those thingsare applicable to evs.
So I think it's a lot of talk,a lot of positioning, a lot of
politics that when we strip thataway, the reality that I
believe we can expect is thatthings will continue in many
(35:01):
ways like they have been.
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So we do have a couple of thingsto talk about outside of the
news, maybe four or five of thelast podcasts.
At the very end I've changedwhat I've said, where I haven't
(37:17):
been saying that this podcast isa production of EV Resource
anymore.
I don't know how many peoplehave picked up on the subtle
change, but this podcast is aproduction of EvoSpark Media
Group, which is now a companythat is the parent of the EV
Resource brand, as well as a fewother brands and the events.
(37:39):
So that is a change and alongwith that, within the next six
months somewhat near futurethere are plans of adding even
more podcasts or other newsoutlets that focus on EVs and
clean energy to the group.
That will be something tofollow.
(38:07):
Now that means that EV resourcewill be a little bit more
narrowly focused Generally,unless it relates to China, as
an example, and how thatinfluences what's happening here
in North America.
Ev resource is primarily goingto focus on EV side of things
with passenger vehicles here inNorth America.
Generally.
(38:28):
That's kind of what it's alwaysbeen, but now it's going to be
that way on purpose, becausethere is so much going on all
over the world that there's noway we can keep up with that but
compensate, there will be otheruh outlets or brands or
podcasts that focus on otherareas around the world.
(38:52):
Yeah, trying to expand and notbe the one thing for everybody,
because you can't do thatanymore, um, but to be the
everything for everybody.
So that is exciting, along withthat EV resource specifically,
actually, andy, because of yourthoughts and encouragements, is
(39:18):
going to be focused a lot onbeing a resource for not only
consumers and people that arepurchasing passenger vehicles
and EVs here in the US, but alsoto support the EV advocates.
In many ways, people like myselfbut, andy, I know you go to a
(39:41):
lot of events and talk to a lotof people as well, and we're not
alone.
The people that are at theground level are still very much
the ones that, in many ways,can be most influential for
affecting consumer efforts andconsumer behavior and the
(40:02):
outcome of what to expectefforts and consumer behavior
and the outcome of what toexpect.
So, andy, I'm actually going tolet you kind of announce the
idea that came from your brain,which I love, that we are going
to finalize and have fairly soon.
A lot of it's already beenworked through, so last minute
details need to be tied together.
(40:23):
A lot of it's already beenworked through, so last minute
details need to be tied together, but why don't I shut up and
let you tell everybody what?
Andy Cooper (40:29):
I'm talking about.
Okay, so I work in the securityindustry and we have these
certifications that essentiallythere are some letters next to
your name, but what itsymbolizes is you can talk like
a standard language, and so theconcept that Zach and I came up
(40:50):
with was essentially an EVambassador, and so this is
probably a person who would andthis would be like based on a
standardized test, like anycertification is, as well as a
ongoing education that you wouldhave to maintain.
(41:12):
But the idea is this person,the EV ambassador.
If you approach them, you canfeel pretty comfortable that
they would have like a baselevel of knowledge about EVs.
We're not talking like atechnician.
Zack Hurst (41:26):
You know someone who can get under the hood, or
something like that.
Andy Cooper (41:28):
But they have enough knowledge, both kind of
on an industry level, about EVsin general probably like EV
offerings and general knowledgeabout all the companies that
offer EVs to.
Essentially you can go to themand they can answer questions
for you and guide you throughgetting used to the concept of
(41:49):
owning an EV.
So it's kind of yeah, that isthe idea behind this
certification.
Zack Hurst (41:57):
And that is one of a number of certifications that
is being worked on, ofcertifications that is being
worked on Now.
The reason that this would beimportant is mainly because
there's a lot of misinformationthat circulates.
I have people tell me thingsall the time that I'm going.
I know exactly where they heardthat and it's so wrong.
(42:22):
So EV Resource as a brand, asan entity, has some credibility.
Where we know EVs, we know theright things about EVs.
But also because of some of thepartnerships that I've been
working on in terms of how tocommunicate effectively with
(42:47):
anybody you talk to, books likethis one, like those, have
influenced oh no, and for thosethat aren't watching, that was
talking across the divide.
Yeah, my mugs.
(43:07):
Oh well, it was lamenting theidea that it wasn't a black mug.
Well, that one, no, that one,the handle broke.
It's the Voltage Velocity Games.
Oh, the green's not showing up.
Uh, this is all green, whichwas the genesis behind the uh
(43:33):
electric vehicle festival, whichis what this one was.
Oh well, anyway, um, moving on.
Uh, so there, there will be anumber of certifications, but
basically, ev Resource isperfectly positioned to be the
body, the certifying body, bothwith the curriculum that we've
(43:57):
put together and are finalizingNow, the reasons that somebody
would want to have thiscertification is because they
want to signal to maybe otherpeople, members of the public,
but then also, um, andy, one ofthe things that I thought would
be quite valuable is, eveninternally within the industry,
(44:19):
if somebody, as an EV advocate,uh, was certified through the
process and then tested toprovide basically that third
party verification of what theirknowledge is.
Now you can go to dealerassociations, you can go to
(44:40):
dealerships, you can go todealerships, you can get
involved in training groups orbusinesses, so much more than
just talking to people at events, there really are a lot of
applications for a certificationlike this.
Andy Cooper (45:07):
So it's exciting and I love the fact that it's
something that we can work on toadd a little bit more value um
to the space.
Yeah, no, yeah, and that'sexactly what this is meant to do
.
It.
It adds a littleprofessionalism, rather than,
you know, kind of like thehomegrown um approach a lot of
us have been taking as EVenthusiasts amongst ourselves.
It gives a new level oflegitimacy to people who are
(45:32):
interested in breaking out intothe EV industry in some form or
fashion.
Jon Hurst (45:36):
The EV industry is just growing.
It's not going to stop growing,and if you have a certification
on your resume, then that mightadd value to you as a
prospective employee as well.
Zack Hurst (45:49):
I guarantee it If you I mean just like any degree
or certification now if you havethe ability to tell people
without telling them.
You know in very little words,I know this.
You know, john, you work in thecomputer side of things Like
there are certain certificationsthat all you need to do is say
(46:11):
I am certified in this and it.
That communicates so much morethan that.
Jon Hurst (46:18):
Yeah, that could be worth $10,000 a year in pay, if
not more.
Andy Cooper (46:23):
Yeah could be yeah as soon as it gets.
If it gets recognized andpeople appreciate it, it's
legitimate and maintained.
Well, it adds that underpinningof potential.
Essentially yeah, so yeah.
Zack Hurst (46:42):
Yeah, very exciting.
Yeah, yeah, very exciting.
Um, outside of that, I'vementioned probably a lot of the
other updates, um, or uh, whatI've got going on with the other
sides of of the ev space that Ioperate in.
Um, the event coming up inoctober naturally is a big one.
Um, something that I haven'ttold, but maybe three people.
(47:06):
This is exciting actually.
This week I ordered a fastcharger and it needs to be put
together and the softwareobviously loaded onto the
charger, but that is going to beshipped to dominion raceway and
(47:30):
very nice, congratulations, I'mpermitting, is going to be the.
The timeline, that is stillquestionable, but the intention
and there might still be apossibility of having it
installed at the racetrack to beused for the event.
(47:50):
So that's a big milestonemoment, for not only will it be
available to the public ofpeople coming up and down i-95,
should they need it, uh, duringdominion raceways business hours
(48:11):
, but then also we can do a lotmore at the track, which of
course gets me excited.
Andy Cooper (48:18):
So it should get the track excited too for evs
that location there's not a veryconvenient location.
Jon Hurst (48:27):
It's EA in Spotsylvania.
Zack Hurst (48:30):
Yeah, like 10 to 15 miles, depending on whether
you're Tesla or CCS, but thenit's more the time.
Yeah, where if you're runningaround the track and you want a
fast charge, well, now you gotto drive 15, 20 minutes up the
road.
Yeah, charge for however longyou decide to charge, but then
not only are you taking another15 to 20 minutes to get back,
(48:51):
you're using electricity thatyou just charged with in order
to get there.
So, yeah, like it.
It's one of those spots that,for the very first charger of
many that are coming, it made alot of sense, so it's exciting
that it is in the works.
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I don't know official timelines, so I can't promise that.
Yes, it will be available, butI'm doing everything I can to
make sure that the T's arecrossed and the I's are dotted
to make sure that it will beavailable.
And there are a number of othersites that we're starting to
work on and other partnerships.
(49:33):
There's a lot going on andactually, with two sites in
particular that we're working on, there is some opportunity.
I don't ask for money usually,but I do like to offer
opportunities.
So anybody that is interestedin reach out let me know,
because we should talk and therecould be some really, really
(49:57):
significant potential.
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All right, that's pretty muchall I've got, so I want to thank
you both for hopping on episode200.
I think this did it justice interms of, in many ways, covering
the news, which is a a verysignificant nod to the origin of
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the podcast, but also beingable to make a couple of
announcements and for the futureof the podcast.
Essentially, we're not going todo the news without having
multiple people to discuss it,so I would like to see the two
of you, but then if anybody elsewants to throw their hat into
(50:59):
the ring and say, hey, I couldbe a co-host, definitely open to
it.
You know.
Jon Hurst (51:04):
Let's see who gets certified.
Zack Hurst (51:08):
I like it, john.
Ooh, I mean, I don't know,We'll see.
But yes, thank you very muchfor joining me.
It is an honor and pleasure tobe able to do this with you all
alongside.
Andy Cooper (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Thanks for having us.
Thank you.
Zack Hurst (51:33):
I really hope you've enjoyed this podcast and want
to thank you so much for beinghere.
If you haven't left a review orrating on Apple Podcasts or
Spotify, I'd really appreciateit, and if you have any feedback
for the show, questions for meor just want to reach out and
say hi, you can email me athello at ev-resourcecom.
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The EV Resource Podcast is aproduction of EvoSpark Media
Group and is supported byviewers and listeners just like
you.
Supporters of EV Resource onPatreon include at the director
tier, rajiv Narayan and AndyCooper, at the executive
producer tier, christopherLawrence and Dave Lanzma, and at
the producer tier, eric Weberand Tony Stuntz.
(52:14):
To get ad-free episodes of thepodcast, free EV Resource
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discussion, you can head over topatreoncom slash EV resource.
I've been your host, zach Hurst.
Thank you so much for watchingand listening and I'll catch you
next time.
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