September 29, 2025 • 59 mins
In this open conversation, Sean and Jonathan reflect on the recent death of Charlie Kirk and what it means for the future of faith, culture, and politics. We wrestle with hard questions about free speech, the church’s response to political issues, and the rise of violence in our communities. This episode is less about answers and more about honest dialogue — asking what the church must do now and where we go from here.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
There's always going to be the crowd that says, if I
see XYZ, I'll believe.
And there's always going to bethe crowd that says, because of
fear I have over this, that, orthe other, I'm going to believe.
But there has to be, and youhave to make it up in your
heart, if you're listening tothis, that I'm not going to God
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because I have seen XYZ orbecause I'm afraid of this or
that or the other.
I'm going to God because Ibelieve in God even if I don't,
even if I don't see his handmove over here.
SPEAKER_02 (00:51):
I'm sorry, guys, we haven't done this in a whole
year.
SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
I love it.
You guys are getting a firsthandlook at what we go through when
we pre-record because it'salways either like he'll start
us off and I'll mess it up, orvice versa.
And it's so much fun that way.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:09):
Here we go.
Take two.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
Take two.
You're listening to the EverydayChristian podcast.
SPEAKER_02 (01:12):
Well, we apply scriptural principles to
everyday Christian lives.
I'm Sean Slugett.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
And I'm John Rich.
And today we've got a couple ofthings that we're obviously
going to talk about.
Um, you'll have to bear with us.
Please, please bear with us.
I feel like I say this a lot.
We're working on getting a newstudio.
We're actually in the center ofour youth building right now.
Um, things don't look thegreatest that they could look,
but we're working with what wehave.
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I've also got a switcher on ourcameras.
No idea how the quality will be.
Just uh just bear with us ifyou're watching or listening on
Facebook or YouTube, um, and wewill obviously post that audio
and hopefully video quality alittle bit better later on.
SPEAKER_02 (01:54):
A lot of a lot of new things have yeah are
happening right now.
Yeah.
Um we have missed, I think we'relike three or four months now
worth of stuff that we'vemissed.
Um I don't know if Jonathan willapologize for it, but I will
apologize that we've missed.
SPEAKER_01 (02:11):
I'm not apologizing for nothing, bud.
I'm kidding.
SPEAKER_02 (02:15):
But uh we do apologize for that.
There's been there's been a lotgoing on in everybody's life.
Yeah.
Uh recently, just like everybodyelse's.
Uh but things have been goingon.
Obviously, we're trying newstudios.
Yeah.
Um the furniture store has shutdown.
I'm sure a lot of people knowthat.
Just just a whole bunch ofmoving things going on.
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Um brother, brother.
I'm not calling you brother.
That's all right.
Jonathan over here, this guy,this guy to my left.
Yeah.
Um, my brother, my good brother,uh had a lot going on with the
youth group.
So there's there's definitelybeen a lot going on.
Uh, but but we're back.
SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's it's kind of crazy um tothink about, to be honest with
you, that we are officiallyback.
Um, I'm kind of messing aroundhere.
I'm trying to make sure thateverything is going smooth on
this live.
It very well may not be.
And so if it's not, bear withme.
So far, things seem to be thingsseem to be okay.
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So we'll see how it goes.
Um, there's a lot of things thatobviously have taken place over,
you know, the last couple ofmonths.
Tons of things have um havehappened.
A lot of things have taken placeover the last two weeks.
Um, if you've lived under a rockor something, you probably have
no idea what we're talkingabout.
But you know, obviously, wewe're gonna mention something
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about Charlie Kirk on thisepisode.
We've shared some things abouthim so far, I think on my
personal page, and then some onthe podcast platform there.
Um, never gonna be hateful aboutit, but obviously there's going
to be people that have opposingviews about it.
There's going to be people thatdisagree with some things that
we say, there's people thatdisagree with things that he
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said.
We understand all those things.
But I feel it necessary to maybetalk a little bit about things
that have been going on insociety, things that have been
going on in the world.
Um, which by the way, if ifyou're here right now listening
to this, you were not taken upin the rapture that was supposed
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to happen today.
SPEAKER_01 (04:22):
We've still got a few hours left.
SPEAKER_00 (04:24):
We've still got a couple hours.
At least in our time zone, westill have a couple of hours
left.
So who knows how how that'll godown.
SPEAKER_02 (04:30):
But it's almost seven, so we've got yeah five
hours before.
SPEAKER_00 (04:34):
Yeah, we've got at least five.
SPEAKER_02 (04:35):
Five hours called them false prophets.
SPEAKER_00 (04:37):
Yeah, and and listen, we're we're not here to
like jab fun at you, maybe alittle bit.
We are.
Um, but a lot of things havetaken place.
A lot of what I've heard peoplesay, Sean, is um is a shift.
Like that's a word I keephearing a lot, which is really
interesting because I've feltthat same thing shift.
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Uh, I think Pastor preached tous a couple weeks ago, I think
the Sunday after his murder, andthe word that he used was shift.
I th I was talking to a friendof mine um a week afterwards,
and they said, I feel a shift.
And it's like things havechanged in us spiritually.
And I know, you know, there'sthere's people of all different
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walks of life that listen tothis podcast.
There's people from alldifferent walks of life that
agree with things that we'vesaid, that disagree strongly
with things that we said.
I don't really care about any ofthat anymore.
Obviously, I have my ownphilosophies, my own life, my
own biblical views.
Obviously, I'm trying, Sean'strying to draw out the scripture
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so that we can teach individualson this podcast how to live a
Christian life every single day.
And with that comes a lot ofscrutinization.
With that comes a lot ofindividuals that hate us.
I mean, I I can tell you oftimes where we've had episodes,
we've had people on the episodesthat have threatened, that have
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that have literally attempted tohurt somebody because of
episodes that we've released.
We understand all that.
We also understand that likewe're we're kind of a
small-scale podcast, like we'renot big by any means.
We get X amount of viewers and Xamount of downloads every week.
But um, in the grand scheme ofthings, I look at us and I'm
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like, you know, we're not reallybig, but there are individuals
that have been helped by thispodcast.
And over the last six months,I've dealt with a lot of deep
depression and deep things thatum I've struggled with in my own
mental walk.
I know some of you are going toturn it off now because I said
something about mental, um, butthere there have been a lot of
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mental struggles in my own life,Sean, that you know, I've just
um I've dealt with and and anduh different things I've done to
overcome those things.
Um and obviously there's a lotof that, a lot of that is
reasoning behind why we haven'treally done an episode over the
last five or six months, amongstdifferent things, you know,
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obviously.
Um, but I just can't in goodconscience hold back anymore.
It's like I can't in goodconscience, because I've thought
about it, you know, the lastfive months, I've thought, well,
well, maybe we should quit it,maybe we should stop.
Um and honestly, that thatmoment, I think a lot of people
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have felt this way, but at thatmoment that I saw the video, and
I don't recommend anybody to gosee the video, but the moment
that I saw the video, it waslike all of a sudden, at the
moment I was I was furious, Iwas angry, I was emotional, I
was sad, which we'll talk aboutthat here in a moment because
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I've I've got some more to addto that.
But I was really upset, and inan instant it was like God
healed me.
And I don't know why.
I don't, I'm not saying thatlike this this thing had to
happen for God to heal me.
Maybe it was my own, you know,blocks and obstacles, but it was
like at that moment I felt arelease in my mind, and I
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thought to myself, I need to domore.
I need to do more.
I'm tired of sitting sittingaround doing nothing.
I'm tired of sitting arounddoing the status quo or reaching
a ceiling and then going backdown.
And so at the moment, thatWednesday that he was shot, I'm
just sharing some of mytestimony, and and Sean
obviously interrupt me if I gotoo long or I say too much.
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But at the moment that he wasshot, listen to the man for like
13 years, like since like 2015or 2012 or something like that,
2013.
Um, he gets shot.
Immediately you see the video,you're like, he's he's gone.
Like there's there's there'sprobably no way that that he
survived this, you know.
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And all through that day, myquestion to God was, God, what
do I do?
God, what do I do?
And little like sprinkled inthroughout, um sprinkled in
throughout the last five months,I've been asking God that
question.
And he's been revealing littlethings to me here and there, and
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I'm thankful for that.
It's like, you know, even in myown hurt and depression and my
own like mental battles, it'slike God's been like sprinkling
little things in.
And so I've asked him that, andhe's revealed some things to me
that I'll hopefully share soon.
Um, but I asked those thosequestions for the last six
months.
What do I do, God?
What do I do?
How do I do this?
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What do I do here?
How do I fix this?
The moment it shot all throughthat Wednesday, God, what do I
do?
What do I do?
All day Thursday, all I couldthink about was that this person
who stood for conservativebiblical values, which by the
way, conservatism have, I'm notsaying everybody in conservative
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conservatism is right, but I amsaying that if you have biblical
values, most of those values aregoing to align with conservative
values.
So here's a man who stands upfor what's right.
And almost every video I've seenof this dude for I don't know
how many years, somewhere mixedin, there's something about
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Jesus.
SPEAKER_02 (10:19):
I believe that the full the last question that he
answered fully, yeah, uh, was hewas actually talking about Jesus
Christ.
Yeah.
So it was the second to lastquestion he ever received.
So he was witnessing just justmere seconds before.
So I mean, yeah, absolutely.
He's always Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
Up until his point of death, he was doing that.
And so all that things rushingin through my head, and I'm
thinking, God, what do I do?
Lord, what do I do?
I'm just asking that questionover and over and over again,
all throughout the day.
I just don't know why I'm askingit.
I'm just like, God, what do Ido?
And some of you may have beenasking that question, by the
way.
I think, you know, I've I'veheard of others say that, you
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know, Lord, what how can we stepin?
And you know, it's pretty crazyto see the amount of support
that has come to Turning PointUSA and how many people have
tried to open chapters and stuffand and they've engaged in that,
and I'm thankful for that.
But I think that that samethought process has gone through
people's mind of Lord, what do Ido?
What more can I do?
You know what I mean?
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And so I'm asking him that allday Wednesday, all day Thursday.
Friday rolls around.
I'm asking him that all dayFriday.
And then I think his wife speaksFriday night.
It was either Friday orSaturday, and she's up there
talking and like a little bit oflike personal for me.
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I like to listen to things whileI take a shower, you know.
So I'm in the shower listeningto this lady give a pretty
incredible speech.
And of course, I'm in there likefreaking out, like, God, what do
I do?
Like it's it's amazing how God'sworking on my heart during this
moment.
And I'm listening to this reallyincredible speech, and I'm
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crying because I I feel sorryfor her, and I'm crying because
I feel sorry for his family.
And at the same time, it's likethere's a call to action,
there's something in me that'sjust stirring.
And finally, I'm I'm in thesh'in the shower.
My wife, I don't remember whereshe went, like Dollar General or
something.
So I'm alone.
Thank God.
Because I just grab my hair andI say, God, what do I do?
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And it was as if lightning boltstruck my head.
I've never quite felt this.
The only time I've ever reallyexperienced this is when I first
was saved.
And even then it was kind ofstronger.
I don't know why, by the way.
Um, but it was like a lightningbolt just touched my head and it
went all the way down to mytoes.
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And I hear a voice in my mind,in my heart, whatever you want
to call it, and it just yellsback at me.
I yell, I yell at God, and Godyells back at me this.
Do anything.
Do anything.
So I'm like, I'm I'm sittingthere like shocked, you know.
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And all of a sudden I feel thatagain, head to my toe, and it
says, do anything.
It's better than doing nothing.
Of course, I'm bawling again,and I'm not trying to make, you
know, I could talk about CharlieKirk all day, I could talk about
his death all day.
I'm not trying to make it aboutme.
I know a lot of people are doingthat.
Um, your Candace Owens of theworld.
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Don't get me started on that.
Don't even start here.
SPEAKER_02 (13:36):
I didn't say that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:36):
I know, I know what you're about to say over here,
but even I know there'sindividuals that are trying to
take this experience and makethat about themselves.
And in a weird way, in a reallystrange way, I think it's given
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people self-reflection becauseit's given people the ability to
look at a man who stood up forwhat was right, killed for what
was right, and say, Am I reallydoing enough?
And God's just saying, doanything.
Why, why, why have we become socomfortable with if I go to
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church and I get inside of abuilding, that's when I can do
something for God.
And you can, by the way, you cando something for God in your
church building.
Why is Christ not a part of myconversation in everyday life?
Why do I go to a gas station andfill up with gas and see someone
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who's struggling and not go upto that individual and say, it's
because a couple things.
Number one, it's because of myown laziness.
And number two, it's because ofthe inconvenience that it causes
me.
We we we as Christians becomeso, we we as Christians become
so I'm so sorry, I gotinterrupted because brother your
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your dad, he says, I'm so proudof you, Jonathan.
Always have been, always willbe, and I'm pretty proud of the
other guy that's there too.
I thought he was sayingsomething bad about you.
That's so funny.
But we get so caught up in ourown time schedule.
We get so caught up in front,you know, with me, like 6 a.m.
I wake up and I pray and I readmy Bible.
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I eat breakfast, 7 a.m.
I clock into work, 4 p.m.
I clock out of work, 4 to 5 p.m.
I play with the kids, 5 to 7p.m.
I've got, you know, Wednesdaynights, it's usually I've got
youth or whatever, 5 to 8 p.m.
I've got youth.
You know, Tuesday nights, it'sapparently podcast night.
You know, it's always something.
It's like it's like we arescheduling time to be away from
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our purpose, and that purpose isto share the gospel.
There you think about, I knowI'm I need you to step in here,
man.
I need you to back me up here.
When you think about when youthink about purpose, when you
think about purpose, we we somany times we try to schedule
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things to where it it negatesthat purpose in our life or it
takes away from those moments.
And it's like if you would justtake five minutes to bring
somebody water and say a prayerfor them, or to preach Jesus or
tell them about Christ, likewhat is that gonna do to your
schedule?
It's it may mess up yourschedule by five minutes, right?
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But um, but I would much ratherhave five minutes messed up for
God than I would five minutes ofdoing nothing or getting to a
place where it's like I got hereon time, and it turns out I
didn't even it didn't evenmatter.
You ever done that before?
You're like, I've gotta getthere early.
My wife's like, you drive menuts.
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I'm like, I gotta get there atleast 15 minutes early.
And I get there 15 minutesearly, and they don't even start
for 30 more minutes.
I think that I know in myself,and I'm I'm preaching, you know,
to the to the choir here, but Iknow in myself there's more I
could do.
There's differences I can make.
There's some hard lines thatjust can't be crossed anymore.
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There's some messages that I'llprobably need to preach to our
youth group that are biblical,but they're hurtful and hard.
Because sometimes the truthhurts and sometimes the truth is
hard.
But I can't in good consciencedo nothing, Sean.
I can't conscience goodconscience do nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (17:45):
We can't anymore.
I believe it was I don't evenremember what I would I think it
was Monday, the Monday after youhad that your little that Friday
or Saturday that that happened,I called you, and we were just
sitting there talking.
And um I was I was at workactually cleaning some some
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buildings out.
And and we both just broke downin tears.
SPEAKER_01 (18:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:15):
And started crying over the phone about just, you
know, what else can we do?
What else?
And and I've you know, like youwhen that happened, I was man,
is there is there anything I cando?
Is there anything that I cananything anything extra?
I guess was kind of my question.
Yeah.
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And you know, I I think of ofCharlie Kirk and the likes you
know, they had, I believe theyhad at the time of when all that
went down, I believe they hadabout 3200 chapters going on.
Yeah.
And I was like, man, I'll neverI'll never mount to that.
I'll never have anything of thatcapacity.
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Or is it possible maybe?
Yeah, I don't know.
But while I was questioningthose kind of things, you know,
what my Sunday school class cameto mind.
SPEAKER_01 (19:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:12):
I was like, am I doing am I doing enough for my
class?
Am I studying enough?
Am I praying enough for thosekids?
Yeah.
Um, obviously the podcast cameup.
You know, we've we've taken timeoff, and and I was like, man, I
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I was gonna get pretty bold withit and say, even if Jonathan
wasn't, I was gonna try tofigure out a way to do it, but
thank God he decided he wantedto do it again, too.
SPEAKER_00 (19:41):
Finally stepped up.
SPEAKER_02 (19:42):
Um but I mean that that drive is there, that shift
that you were talking about isit's definitely there.
You see it all around.
There are there are those outthere that are hurt by different
things, and I understand that.
You know, we're not trying tonegate all of that.
Uh, but it it's it's definitelytime to stand up, take a stand
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for a lot of these things.
Uh, and we've seen it happen.
Yeah.
We're seeing it happen.
I've talked to to multipledifferent people, and I'm, you
know, like like you havedifferent ones about those
different about different thingsthat they want to do and be a
part of uh TPUSA.
Yeah.
They wanted uh I think it wasabout a year and a half ago or
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so, they asked Charlie Kirkwhere he wanted to get to, and
he said, I want to get to 20,000chapters.
SPEAKER_01 (20:37):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (20:38):
That was his goal.
It was one of these days hesaid, I want to get to 20,000
chapters.
Yeah.
You know, he was at 3,200.
And to him, you know, to hearthat.
SPEAKER_00 (20:50):
Hey, it's so hard to do it.
SPEAKER_02 (20:54):
You know, I'm sh I'm sure for him that was that was a
huge goal.
That was something that was justseemed so far out of reach for
him.
And and you know, in his mind,3,200, you know, that's to go
from that, you need to go, youknow, a six or seven multiplier
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to get to that twenty thousand.
You know, what is there any wayI'll ever get to twenty
thousand?
And he never got to see that.
But over the last two weeks,there have been over 70,000
requests, if I remember right,yeah for new chapters.
SPEAKER_00 (21:34):
Yeah.
It's pretty crazy.
I love this.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:39):
And so, you know, for me to sit here and like,
what can I do?
Is there anything extra?
What else can I do?
Right.
And then to have thatconversation with Jonathan of do
anything.
Right.
You know, that to me that wasokay, well, when are we gonna
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start the podcast back up?
Because it's it's time.
SPEAKER_01 (22:03):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:06):
When tonight I'm gonna start praying for Sunday
school for my class so I can beprepared for them Sunday.
Not wait till the weekend getshere to try to be prepared for
it.
SPEAKER_01 (22:18):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (22:19):
You know, because I want them to learn, I want them
to understand, I want to bebiblical.
SPEAKER_01 (22:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:24):
You know, I want effort, yeah.
This effort, and not that Idon't put in effort, but you can
always be better.
Yeah, you can always do better.
And when I say you, I'm talkingabout me.
Right.
I can always be better.
SPEAKER_00 (22:41):
Yeah, I agree.
You could always be better, butyeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:45):
Well, I was the one that wants to start the podcast
up.
SPEAKER_00 (22:47):
So that's so true.
Amen.
He got me here.
You know what I'm saying?
I love it because uh youprobably saw me go across the
screen.
It's because these cameras, man,they they will not stay, they
it's like they won't stay on,and I've got this cool switcher
and I'm I'm getting used to it.
Like I'm gonna I'm gonna be ableto get it down pat to where it's
just working justexponentiously.
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Is that even a word?
I don't know.
Uh, but I agree, you know, it'slike there's more, obviously,
more things that we could do andcontinue to do um to kind of
push push the limit a littlebit.
Like I think that we we reallyjust get comfortable and it's
like just push the limit.
And my wife and I, we're justhaving a discussion here, by the
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way.
I know you I know some of youguys are like, you know, what
what is this?
Like, what what is this podcast?
This is it.
Um, yeah, that this is this ispretty much it.
Like, we're just talking aboutany and all things from you know
a worldview or whatever, apolitical view.
There's probably gonna be alittle bit more politics mixed
in um to this podcast.
Bear with me.
Wait, what did you do just now?
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Day everyday Christian mugs,still have those around.
We have a warehouse full of themthat if you want yeah, I made a
bunch of them and nobody boughtthem.
So$20 to support um all proceedsgo to Sean.
He's I'm kidding, he looked atme sometimes.
Anyway, to the podcast.
To the podcast.
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There are a lot of things thatare going on, obviously, right
now.
Um more my wife and I weretalking, and and and you've
probably seen this too, but it'sit's crazy how you start seeing
it play out in real time, wherethat mentality of that mentality
of good being evil and e be evilbeing called good, it's just
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wild to me.
Like it, and you saw we've seenit a lot, obviously.
And I know what you're thinking,like, well, this is not a left
and a right thing.
This is a Jesus thing versusevil thing, and I a hundred
percent agree with you.
But like I mentioned at thebeginning of this show, if you
have biblical values, most ofthose are gonna line up with a
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conservative political stance.
They're not gonna they're notgonna line up with a
left-leaning stance, they're notgonna line up with a
left-leaning ideology, they'rejust not.
Um, and to say that they are tome is a uh a gross
misrepresentation of of what theBible, what the word of God
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says.
So I want you to think aboutthat um for a moment as I say
the next thing.
There are a lot of people on theother side of the aisle that are
so wicked and vile and evil,which by the way, I know.
Well, there's people on bothsides of the aisle.
Again, yes, I know that I agreewith that.
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There's people on the right sidethat are very wicked and evil
and vile and all that too.
When this dude was shot, it thethe news cycle is crazy how much
it's changing.
This guy shot, which take awayreligion, take away uh political
beliefs for a second.
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A man was shot because of words.
You like how I switched thecamera to you?
A man anytime Sean doessomething embarrassing, like
he's gonna pop a pimple orsomething, we're gonna switch it
to him.
A man was shot for words.
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And that should astonish some ofyou.
That should, that should Iwouldn't say scare some of you,
but that should wake some of youup.
A man was shot for words.
And the other, the left-leaningside of the aisle laughed and
didn't care and said, good, hewas speaking hate.
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And I wouldn't have pulled thebullet, but I'm glad for the
person that did.
How crazy and how messed uppulled the bullet, pulled the
trigger.
Sean you got I this is why Iswitch over to Sean because he
he's he he makes the phases andhe corrects me.
I've heard people say thatthough.
I I didn't pull the trigger, butI'm glad that somebody did.
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Shame.
But not just shame, evil andwicked.
And in the same like 48-hourperiod within a week's time,
those same people freaked outbecause ABC canceled Jimmy
Kimmel's show.
And they said, Well, they'retaking away our freedom of
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speech.
And I literally had people say,if you compare the two, really,
Jimmy Kimmel's show beingcanceled was worse than Charlie
Kirk being murdered.
I I I cannot stand it.
It aggravates me.
You guys are gonna seeaggravated John Rich in this
podcast.
I'm so mad about that becauseit's wrong to say that someone
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who had, I think between the agerate, you'll have to fact check
me on this, but like peoplewithin my age range, I think it
was like 20 to 35, a night had250,000 viewers.
And you're gonna tell me that hewas fired because of freedom of
speech.
You can argue that with me allday, but he probably should have
been fired 10 years ago.
But for someone to tell me thatan individual deserved to be
(28:09):
shot because of they really canonly come up with three or four
things that they disagree with,and they they they spew those
all over and reiterate those,I'm not saying I agree with
everything Charlie Kirk said.
I've I've I've agreed with a lotless things that Joe Biden or
Kamala Harris have said, but notone time have I ever thought to
(28:34):
myself, I wish somebody wouldpull the trigger and kill them.
But then to think that thishappening is a good thing, and
some of you are gonna disagreewith that, I simply don't care.
But for for you to think thatJimmy Kimmel's show being
(28:55):
cancelled, which it's supposedto be back on tonight, is worse
than Charlie Kirk's murder.
We are seeing in real time evilbeing called good and good being
called evil.
And I don't know about you, butit's it's time to take a stand.
It's time to stand against thosethings.
(29:15):
I am tired, Brother Sean.
I told you I was you like buckleup.
I am tired of the church worldsaying we don't need to be
involved in politics.
I'm tired of that mentality.
I'm tired of the mentality thatsays we don't need to preach
politics from behind the pulpit.
Now get listen to me.
(29:35):
I am not saying get up behindthe pulpit and tell your
congregation to vote for DonaldTrump.
And if you don't, you're not,you know, you're not just not
only not a red blooded American,but you're not a red blooded
Christian.
I'm not saying any of thosethings.
What I am saying is to believeor to pretend.
(30:00):
That issues such as abortionthat we believe God gives life
and God is, you know, wants usto be pro-life, for us to say
that, and then to also say Idon't want to have anything to
do with politics is an oxymoron.
Because those things go hand inhand.
(30:21):
To say I want to, I want thereto be legislation that protects
the sanctity of marriage, andthen to say, I don't want to be
involved in politics, I'm sorry,I have a problem with that.
You know, Sean, again, I talkedto you about this before.
You may completely disagree withme, and that's totally fine.
(30:42):
I just have a problem with thatthough.
To sit up here and tell me thatyou believe that God created one
man and one woman, two genders,and then not to vote against
statewide legislation to get ridof that mentality and that
(31:06):
ideology.
Well, evil's getting bad.
Evil's getting bad, but thatdoesn't mean we do nothing.
Evil's getting worse.
Evil's getting worse.
That doesn't mean we do nothing.
I I can't.
You cannot tell me that thechurch cannot be involved in
politics anymore.
Again, going back to it, I'm notsaying tell everyone and their
(31:28):
mother who to vote for.
I'm not saying any of thosethings.
What I am saying is you've gotto get engaged in your
community.
You've got to get engaged in umprotesting, you've got to get
engaged in standing outsideabortion clinics with um
sonograms to help women make theright choice.
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I think too many times, andobviously, you guys know our
background, Pentecostal holinessbackground.
And we want to say, we'vementioned this so many times,
Sean, on this podcast, but youknow what?
We haven't been here for fivemonths, so maybe you guys are
forgotten.
But we want to speak out againstCatholicism and say the things
(32:13):
that they believe are justdetrimental to the faith or all
these, you know, random things.
Their doctrines are way off.
And I don't agree with most ofCatholicism, by the way.
There's some things I do agreewith, but for me to say speak
out against this, but I alsodon't like abortion.
When they're the reasons why,one of the main reasons why
(32:37):
rather Roe versus Wade wasoverturned, Brother Sean.
Sorry, I'm talking too much.
You got to talk for me.
SPEAKER_02 (32:42):
No, you're fine.
I think um I think at one point,and I'd I think four of the
Supreme Court justices when thatwas overturned, four or four or
five almost.
I don't remember now.
Yeah they were they werepracticing Catholics.
Yeah.
(33:03):
You know, they were the onesthat got in.
And I I don't remember the exactnumbers on it either.
But but the Catholic Churchalmost single-handedly, if you
go look at the statistics andthe funding and all that stuff,
right?
Uh was the reason that it wasoverturned.
I mean, they were dumping moneyinto it uh into pro-life
(33:26):
organizations uh for years, andthey have been for a long time.
And you know, I like we'vetalked about this some me and
you and others.
It's you know, do do I agreewith the Catholics?
Yeah, like you said, not not onvery much, but I can get on
(33:50):
board with that for sure.
Yeah, you know, there there'sdefinitely a lot of things that
that other denominationschurches believe that I don't
believe, and that you know wemay see some of it we'll see eye
to eye, some of it we won't.
(34:11):
But I I have I have always triedto be a more open-minded towards
that kind of things.
I don't I don't care.
SPEAKER_01 (34:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:22):
Are you following the Bible the best you can?
SPEAKER_01 (34:24):
Right.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (34:26):
Good.
Yeah.
Are you trying to get to heaven?
Good.
Good.
Are you taking people with you?
Yeah.
Great.
Right.
I'll sit down, I'll debate, wecan talk about differing points
of view.
Yeah.
But more and more I'm yeah, I'mgetting to the point now where I
(34:48):
don't not that I was again, notthat I wasn't before, but we're
trying.
Yeah.
You're trying.
Let's get together, let's dosomething.
Yeah.
Perfect example.
Peanut butter and Jesus.
Yeah.
Uh it's a mini, there's severalministries all around.
Here in Creek County, they doone.
(35:09):
Uh I went and helped a coupleweeks ago.
And if I'm not well, I don't ifI'm not mistaken, I think there
was a Pentecostal holiness.
I know there was somePentecostal holiness people
there.
But there was also some oneness,UPC there.
(35:34):
And you know, like, well, Imean, we can't have anything to
do with the UPC because they'rethey don't believe in the
Trinity and you know all thesethings.
I get it.
There's a lot of false doctrine.
Right.
I don't care.
There's false doctrine there.
SPEAKER_00 (35:53):
Yeah.
Uh oh man, you're gonna we'regonna lose all our UPC
followers.
Sorry.
That was the one that that wasthe that was the one.
SPEAKER_02 (36:03):
We can talk about it later.
SPEAKER_01 (36:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (36:05):
Uh, you know, again, there's things we don't disagree
with, but they decided hey,there are some hurting people in
Creek County that need somehelp.
Yeah.
And I'm sure if you'd asked thatgentleman, he probably would
have said that we had a lot ofthings wrong because obviously
(36:26):
he doesn't believe the way thatwe did.
He'd have told you there was alot of things that we had messed
up.
SPEAKER_01 (36:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (36:32):
Well, guess what?
We sat side by side.
We got to talk to some people,we got to witness to some
people, we got to give some kidssome food that probably hadn't
eaten that week.
Yeah.
Some of them I would almostwould guarantee you that because
when I walked up to them and Iasked them how much they needed,
they were like, is there any waywe can have seven sandwiches?
(36:55):
Yeah.
Just me thinking here, there'sseven days in the week.
SPEAKER_01 (37:01):
You're right.
SPEAKER_02 (37:03):
That happened three or four different times.
Could have been a coincidence,and there was seven people in
the household?
Sure.
But I've heard stories of thoseones that said this is the only
meal we get.
Yeah.
I've heard those stories.
What is it gonna take?
SPEAKER_01 (37:24):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (37:25):
And and I I hate that it happened to Charlie
Kirk.
I do.
Yeah.
I I I've listened to him forprobably not as long as you
have, but I've listened to himfor a long time.
But people are finally startingto realize and to see it.
Yeah.
(37:46):
And there's uh, I mean, there'sthere's videos out there.
I saw one been a while back, andI'm actually started watching a
lot of a lot of the videos.
This one lady said that shehadn't been to church in years
because of certain things thatwere going on.
(38:08):
Yeah.
Uh some church hurt.
And that's a very real problem.
SPEAKER_01 (38:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (38:16):
Very serious, very real problem.
SPEAKER_01 (38:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (38:20):
And she had struggles in her life, some of
it she'd kind of mentioned.
Uh and you could just by lookfrom looking at her and watching
some of her videos, she lookedlike somebody that was liberal.
Yeah.
I don't know that for sure.
I'm just from looking at her andwatching her videos, she she
(38:47):
seemed to look that way.
But she, you can tell she was athinker.
And she started breaking stuffdown and really diagnosing and
analyzing.
And then she went to church on aSunday, and that Sunday
afternoon she made a video.
And she's like, Well, I guessthis is take 50 something.
(39:10):
She said, because I can't getthrough this without crying.
SPEAKER_01 (39:12):
Crying, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:13):
And right.
And she said, I walked intochurch this morning for the
first time in how many everyears?
And she said, I was greeted.
Yeah.
And I'm gonna be honest, thishit me right between the eyes.
Oh, yeah.
She said, I was greeted withopen arms.
Yeah.
(39:33):
Which and then she saidphysically, I was greeted with
open arms.
She said, I know the church.
I know enough about them.
They're always will welcome youwith open arms.
You hear churches say stuff likethat.
SPEAKER_01 (39:51):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (39:51):
She said, There were people that I hadn't seen in a
long time, people that knew me.
She said, I walked into thatdoor and they ran to the back
and opened their arms and huggedme and told me they were
thankful that I was back atchurch.
She said, I was literally, andshe's just crying her eyes out
when she's saying this.
She said, I was literallyaccepted back into the church
(40:14):
with open arms.
I'm watching that on a Sundayafternoon, and I'm like, dear
God, yeah.
Do they feel that way about me?
SPEAKER_01 (40:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:25):
I'm not much of a hugger, but if I see somebody
walk in the church, am I gonnastay in my pew?
Right.
Again, you're talking abouttaking five minutes out of your
out of your day.
Song service is going on.
Is it do I have to be so primand proper that I can't disrupt
(40:47):
service to get out of my pew,walk towards the back?
Hey brother.
Yeah, my name's Sean.
It's good to have you thisevening.
What's your name?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:58):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (41:00):
It's not that hard.
Will a few people look at me andbe like, dude, what's Sean
doing?
Probably.
SPEAKER_01 (41:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (41:06):
I don't care.
Right.
Like I've watched this lady, andjust in this last couple weeks,
like you can see again thatshift, that change.
Yeah.
And it's it's challenged me alot.
And just I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (41:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (41:29):
Well, like you said, it just like it.
Yes, it's changed.
And I think a lot of people havefelt the same way.
You know, it's it's it's like,you know, what we talked about,
like what can we do more of?
And and then it's also like aself-evaluation, like what can I
do better?
And I think that that is, youknow, there's we could talk all
(41:51):
day about like what I need to doas a part of the church and what
the church needs to be as awhole, you know, and what where
they need to go from here kindof mentality.
But you know, really, I thinkthat just the self-evaluation of
a church, you know, think aboutthings that's going on in your
church.
Like, are you being are youmaking a difference in your
(42:13):
community?
SPEAKER_02 (42:14):
And I I keep you know what I mean.
Yeah, I keep talking about thechurch, and I and I guess it's
because it's kind of where I'mcomfortable and and I have to
work on myself.
Sure.
You know, I've got my Sundayschool class that I teach, but I
(42:35):
I don't want it to be about justmy church.
Yeah, I want it to be about thepeanut butter and Jesus.
SPEAKER_01 (42:42):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (42:43):
I want it to be about the Macy's cradle.
SPEAKER_01 (42:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (42:50):
I want it to be about these things that are
outside.
Because there are those thatwill come back to church, just
like that young lady.
There are those that will feelthe need to be drawn back to
church.
But what about the ones thatdon't?
SPEAKER_01 (43:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (43:15):
What about the ones that are still hurting?
SPEAKER_01 (43:17):
Yeah.
For sure.
SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
The ones that that maybe maybe did feel a little
bit of something about this.
SPEAKER_01 (43:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (43:28):
But things were so bad that they don't feel like
they can go back.
Why can't I be the one at thegas station like you talked
about?
SPEAKER_01 (43:37):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (43:39):
Why can't I be that guy?
And when we're playing cornhole,you like hey, this guy's I
talked to a guy last night, toldhim we were evangelists,
traveled around and preached,and he had some questions about
it.
How hard is that?
We're standing side by side for10 minutes.
SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (44:03):
And man, it it that self-reflection is yeah, it's
been huge this last coupleweeks.
And I've I've had to challengemyself.
What I was saying was I've I'vehad to challenge myself that
I've got to I've got to getoutside of the church built the
full walls.
SPEAKER_00 (44:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (44:23):
It's great, but I've got to get outside of it more.
SPEAKER_00 (44:26):
Yeah.
Well, again, it just kind ofgoes back to like what we're
talking, what we've been talkingabout is like, you know, when
like how do I how do Iincorporate Christ and and
everything?
And it's a it is a consciouseffort.
Like I know, you know, somepeople it's secondhand nature,
and some people it's not.
(44:47):
And and and the reason why it'snot is because you know,
something that's secondhandnature is because practice makes
perfect.
You we have to make it up in ourmind that like every day, you
know, when I get out, when I goto work, when I'm trying to um
(45:07):
help out at church, whatever itis, when I'm going to the store,
what can I do to incorporateChrist in my language, in my
actions?
What can I do to incorporateChrist?
Something that you you hadmentioned, and I I do want to
mention this too, because I'vethought a lot about this too.
(45:29):
I think it he was just on hereand maybe he's still listening
to me now that's fine.
But I think it was your dad thatpreached about you got to give
me the title, man.
Is it like Hillary Clintonsomething in Y2K?
SPEAKER_02 (45:44):
I think Hillary Clinton is Al Gore, Y2K, Hillary
Clinton, Hillary Clinton, fearof God have in common.
They all they all make peoplepray.
SPEAKER_00 (45:54):
Yes.
And I've thought I've thoughtabout a lot of that, you know,
not just that sermon, but I'vethought about a lot about that
mentality because like that'snot right, but something like
that.
Yeah, yeah, I'll have to get onthere and comment again here,
um, Brother Todd.
But I've thought a lot aboutthat because you think about
like 9-11 was huge.
(46:15):
And people were driven to churchout of that that fear, you know,
that that fear of like um, youknow, wanting to get close to
God because of fear for thelife, fear for the country, etc.
And I felt, again, like commentbelow if you feel differently,
(46:36):
or if you feel like, you know,maybe there's an an a different
explanation to it, or whateveryou want to call it.
But I have felt like this atthis moment, this thing that has
happened has drawn people toChrist not out of fear, but out
(46:58):
of faith, which is somethingcompletely different.
When you're drawn to Christbecause you fear what he'll do
to you, um, eventually you'llprobably leave Christ when he
doesn't do anything to you.
And I'm sure that we found, Idon't know what the numbers are,
by the way, the statistics.
I probably could have lookedthose up, but I'm sure a few
(47:20):
months after 9-11, a few yearsafter 9-11, people slowly more
and more started drifting awayfrom the church or drifting away
from God, etc.
In this moment, what I'venoticed is people are coming to
God in faith and saying, I don'tknow what it is, but something
(47:41):
is drawing me.
SPEAKER_01 (47:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (47:44):
And they're saying, I'm gonna read my Bible out of
faith.
I'm gonna pray out of faith.
Now, don't get me wrong, goingto church, praying and read your
Bible are all good things, butnone of those things will get
you to heaven.
I have heard individuals say,I've dedicated my life to
Christ.
I've rededicated my life toChrist.
I've gotten saved.
(48:06):
I've got, you know, I'mbackslidden, I was resaved,
whatever.
I know those things, all four ofthose things, are the same
thing.
But I've noticed that people arebeginning to come to Christ in
this moment because I can'tthink of another thing to call
it except the spirit's drawing.
(48:27):
And I don't know why.
I don't think the rapture'sgonna occur within the next four
hours.
Maybe it will.
I don't think it's gonna occurtomorrow.
My brother's birthday istomorrow.
I don't have to buy him apresent, so we'll see if it does
happen.
SPEAKER_02 (48:41):
You might luck out.
SPEAKER_00 (48:42):
I might luck out, you know.
Jordan, if you're watching this.
But people are coming to God infaith, and that that's a whole
different.
You know, I was reading in theBible.
Um, I know we're I don't knowhow much time we've got.
We're 48 minutes in.
I was reading the Bible theother day, and it was it was
(49:02):
Jesus, it was talking aboutJesus, and the I think it was
like John chapter three or fouror something like that.
And Jesus was doing all thesemiraculous things.
It was so it was that rightafter John chapter two when he
performed the wedding in Cana.
And performed the miracle at thewedding in Cana.
And he was doing all theseperformed the wedding.
SPEAKER_02 (49:20):
I I didn't go back and reread that one.
I missed that one.
SPEAKER_00 (49:24):
Yeah, yeah.
He married a couple, it wascool.
But anyway, he performed amiracle at the wedding of
Canaan.
He did did the Bible says he heit didn't record everything that
he did, but it did he, it saidhe did all these miracles.
And then there was a crowd ofpeople that wanted to follow
him.
And the Bible says that he drewhimself away from that crowd of
(49:45):
people because he knew whattheir hearts were saying, or he
knew what how their hearts were,he knew how they were being.
And what he was, what thescripture says when it writes,
when it um, when John wrotethat, he's saying these people
are coming to God because theysee power and they see works and
(50:06):
they see miracles instead ofcoming to God in faith.
And he drew himself away fromthat that crowd.
And there's always going to bethat crowd, by the way.
There's always gonna be thecrowd that says, if I see X, Y,
Z, I'll believe.
And there's always gonna be thecrowd that says, because of fear
(50:26):
I have over this, that, or theother, I'm going to believe.
But there has to be, and youhave to make it up in your
heart, if you're listening tothis, that I'm not going to God
because I have seen XYZ orbecause I'm afraid of this or
that or the other.
I'm going to God because Ibelieve in God even if I don't,
(50:50):
even if I don't see his handmove over here.
That's faith.
That's coming to God regardlessof everything else.
That's believing in Godregardless of everything else.
We've said it a million times onthis show.
Oh, great, my camera went out.
We've said it a million times onthe show.
We're just going to have Seanplay the whole time.
We've said it a million times onthis show, but oh man, it
(51:13):
worked.
That's incredible.
We're going to get this livething down, I promise.
Shadrag, me, shack, andabindigo.
Okay.
Perfect examples of that.
Because they're in the middle ofa trial.
SPEAKER_02 (51:26):
Even if.
SPEAKER_00 (51:27):
They're in the middle of King Nebuchadnezzar
telling them, in the midst ofall these people that are
bowing.
I think it's only camera one andthree working, but it's fine.
I told you every time, dude,popping pimples, playing with
your beard, taking a drink.
I'm going to put the camera onyou.
(51:48):
Which, by the way, I noticedthat it it keeps uh it keeps
putting a square on your face,too, with the with oh man.
If you're listening on audio,you have no idea what's going
on.
This is the funniest thing ever.
I love this thing.
But in the middle of all thesepeople that are bowing before
(52:09):
this idol, when the music plays,King Nebuchadnezzar is like, you
guys, you three have to bow, orI'm gonna throw you into the
fiery furnace, and we're gonnamake it hotter than we're gonna.
SPEAKER_02 (52:19):
Where'd you go to school at?
SPEAKER_00 (52:20):
Huh?
Three.
You three, you four.
Because you know what?
There was a foot.
There was come on, man.
SPEAKER_02 (52:32):
He said, You thought you were fixing to go ahead and
he was prophesying.
Oh my god.
King Nebuchadnezzar didn't evenknow it, but he was prophesying.
SPEAKER_00 (52:39):
Yeah, you didn't even know it, but my homeschool
math.
My homeschool math uh abilitieshere are showing.
You three are going to have tobow there.
Else I'll throw you into thefire.
And and they say, well, you knowwhat?
Here's what they say.
If God shows himself, then we'llbelieve.
(53:02):
If God proves himself and stopsthe fire from even turning on,
then we'll believe.
They don't say that.
They say we're not going to bow.
And even if God doesn't deliverus, we're still not going to
bow.
That's faith.
And when it comes to the God andwhen it comes to the things of
God, we always want to say, God,if you do this, I'll believe.
(53:25):
God, if you go down to um themiddle of Mississippi and save
my great-grandma's cat, I'llbelieve.
But that's not faith.
Faith is believing even when Godhasn't moved.
Faith is believing even when Godsays no.
(53:47):
Faith is believing even when Godshuts a door, because he has all
things in his hand, all thingsare working out for his good,
and I'm gonna believe in himregardless of whether or not
rather he answers a prayer thatI have or answers a need, I
(54:09):
believe, because that's whatfaith is, Brother Sean.
That's what faith is.
Look at me.
Is that the end of our episode?
SPEAKER_02 (54:19):
I have I'm struggling with this.
SPEAKER_00 (54:21):
I know the whole setup.
SPEAKER_02 (54:22):
There's cameras, and I'm trying to look at the
camera.
SPEAKER_00 (54:25):
That's your camera.
SPEAKER_02 (54:27):
He won't even put it on me now.
SPEAKER_00 (54:28):
That's your camera.
Now I won't put it on you.
SPEAKER_02 (54:30):
Well, it's black over here, so we we've got the
but this there's a screen rightbeside us, so I'm looking at the
screen, and then I realize likeI've got to get my camera, and
then Jonathan's over here.
SPEAKER_00 (54:41):
You get you guys and girls are getting the the full
everyday.
You guys are getting the real meeffect.
SPEAKER_02 (54:46):
I am not the I am not the just the proper I'm I'm
the goofball.
I am the the weird funny one.
Um but yes, I mean scripture, Imean scripture bears out you
know what you said.
Now now faith is the substanceof things hoped for.
(55:08):
Right.
The evidence of things not seen.
SPEAKER_01 (55:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (55:12):
You know, even if we don't see it, even if that that
it's still we still believe.
SPEAKER_01 (55:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (55:21):
Me and a couple guys were talking last night about
atheists and evolution, thingslike that.
And and this comment's been madebefore.
It wasn't that I said anythingnew, but I said, I said, you
know, as an atheist, you've gota lot more faith than I do as a
(55:42):
Christian.
Yeah, you're not quick enough.
SPEAKER_00 (55:45):
I am so slow, I swear.
SPEAKER_02 (55:47):
Uh because you know, my faith as a Christian, every
once in a while I get to seesomething happen that helps
prove it.
SPEAKER_01 (55:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (55:59):
Atheism is all based on bang, it happened.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, can you prove it?
I would have a bunch oftheories.
Yeah.
No, can you prove it?
Exactly.
Uh uh.
Nope.
I mean, you've had faith for thelast 250 million years.
(56:21):
You got way more faith than Ido, bro.
SPEAKER_01 (56:23):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_02 (56:26):
But yeah, I I'm done, so I think we are at the
awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (56:30):
Yeah, this is again very impromptu.
Like, we I think I told Seanlike lat like that Monday or
whenever that we talked.
Yeah.
So just a little over a weekago, I was like, let's go.
We got to do this again.
It's gonna look different.
You know, you guys have to bearwith us.
I swear.
I feel like I say that everytime, but it's like don't swear.
(56:51):
Yeah, I'm not gonna swear.
There's always something goingon, always something changing.
SPEAKER_02 (56:55):
Y'all have got that on record.
SPEAKER_00 (56:57):
You guys have that on record.
I'll have to cancel this livevideo.
SPEAKER_02 (57:00):
We very thankful Jonathan, the Everyday Christian
Podcast.
SPEAKER_00 (57:04):
Don't do it.
Very thankful for everyone who'slistened to this episode.
Really appreciate everyone who'sstuck with us.
I've had people that havereached out, said, Hey, when are
y'all guys gonna release a newepisode?
You know, what's that lookinglike?
I've had people give ustestimony about episodes we've
done, um, little things that Ithink God has used to draw us
(57:26):
back to it.
And we're still figuring thingsout.
Um, probably gonna switch upsome sayings, switch up our um
the way we do it, switch upwhere we post it, switch up
logos.
We're gonna do a lot of changes.
We're probably gonna do a littlebit of changes on how we
actually do the podcast.
You know, notice how we've gotthree camera angles, and um,
(57:50):
we're not sitting like we're insome sort of a news conference
room or something.
This isn't even gonna be ourstudio, so whatever.
But uh very, very thankful foreveryone who's tuned in.
You know where to find us.
I think it's on Apple Podcastsas well as well as Google
Podcasts.
But if you search at podcast forhim or podcast the number for
(58:12):
him, you're gonna find us on thepodcast platform of your choice.
Um, obviously, you can search uson here at Facebook or
Instagram, the EverydayChristian Podcast, every and day
or what, Sean?
Two separate words.
SPEAKER_02 (58:26):
Um he's got numbers and everything.
Every and day are two separatewords, podcast number for him.
SPEAKER_00 (58:33):
Yeah.
At least I didn't say podcastfor him.
At least I didn't hold up a fivethis time.
The everyday Christian podcastfor him.
Oh my goodness.
But yeah.
Love to, I know we're it this iswhere it's gonna be kind of
awkward, I'll be honest withyou.
There's a couple reasons why,and you guys are gonna probably
(58:55):
laugh.
I think we only have one viewerright now.
It was up to like 10, but thankGod it's down to one.
It's gonna get really awkwardbecause I gotta figure out how
to press the end button on mycomputer that's right over there
without getting up and making itawkward for everybody else.
SPEAKER_02 (59:10):
Too late.
This is us signing off as wegrab the camera out.
SPEAKER_00 (59:17):
This is us signing off.
There's always going to be the crowd that says, if I
see XYZ, I'll believe.
And there's always going to bethe crowd that says, because of
fear I have over this, that, orthe other, I'm going to believe.
But there has to be, and youhave to make it up in your
heart, if you're listening tothis, that I'm not going to God
(00:23):
because I have seen XYZ orbecause I'm afraid of this or
that or the other.
I'm going to God because Ibelieve in God even if I don't,
even if I don't see his handmove over here.
SPEAKER_02 (00:51):
I'm sorry, guys, we haven't done this in a whole
year.
SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
I love it.
You guys are getting a firsthandlook at what we go through when
we pre-record because it'salways either like he'll start
us off and I'll mess it up, orvice versa.
And it's so much fun that way.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:09):
Here we go.
Take two.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
Take two.
You're listening to the EverydayChristian podcast.
SPEAKER_02 (01:12):
Well, we apply scriptural principles to
everyday Christian lives.
I'm Sean Slugett.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
And I'm John Rich.
And today we've got a couple ofthings that we're obviously
going to talk about.
Um, you'll have to bear with us.
Please, please bear with us.
I feel like I say this a lot.
We're working on getting a newstudio.
We're actually in the center ofour youth building right now.
Um, things don't look thegreatest that they could look,
but we're working with what wehave.
(01:37):
I've also got a switcher on ourcameras.
No idea how the quality will be.
Just uh just bear with us ifyou're watching or listening on
Facebook or YouTube, um, and wewill obviously post that audio
and hopefully video quality alittle bit better later on.
SPEAKER_02 (01:54):
A lot of a lot of new things have yeah are
happening right now.
Yeah.
Um we have missed, I think we'relike three or four months now
worth of stuff that we'vemissed.
Um I don't know if Jonathan willapologize for it, but I will
apologize that we've missed.
SPEAKER_01 (02:11):
I'm not apologizing for nothing, bud.
I'm kidding.
SPEAKER_02 (02:15):
But uh we do apologize for that.
There's been there's been a lotgoing on in everybody's life.
Yeah.
Uh recently, just like everybodyelse's.
Uh but things have been goingon.
Obviously, we're trying newstudios.
Yeah.
Um the furniture store has shutdown.
I'm sure a lot of people knowthat.
Just just a whole bunch ofmoving things going on.
(02:38):
Um brother, brother.
I'm not calling you brother.
That's all right.
Jonathan over here, this guy,this guy to my left.
Yeah.
Um, my brother, my good brother,uh had a lot going on with the
youth group.
So there's there's definitelybeen a lot going on.
Uh, but but we're back.
SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's it's kind of crazy um tothink about, to be honest with
you, that we are officiallyback.
Um, I'm kind of messing aroundhere.
I'm trying to make sure thateverything is going smooth on
this live.
It very well may not be.
And so if it's not, bear withme.
So far, things seem to be thingsseem to be okay.
(03:19):
So we'll see how it goes.
Um, there's a lot of things thatobviously have taken place over,
you know, the last couple ofmonths.
Tons of things have um havehappened.
A lot of things have taken placeover the last two weeks.
Um, if you've lived under a rockor something, you probably have
no idea what we're talkingabout.
But you know, obviously, wewe're gonna mention something
(03:40):
about Charlie Kirk on thisepisode.
We've shared some things abouthim so far, I think on my
personal page, and then some onthe podcast platform there.
Um, never gonna be hateful aboutit, but obviously there's going
to be people that have opposingviews about it.
There's going to be people thatdisagree with some things that
we say, there's people thatdisagree with things that he
(04:01):
said.
We understand all those things.
But I feel it necessary to maybetalk a little bit about things
that have been going on insociety, things that have been
going on in the world.
Um, which by the way, if ifyou're here right now listening
to this, you were not taken upin the rapture that was supposed
(04:21):
to happen today.
SPEAKER_01 (04:22):
We've still got a few hours left.
SPEAKER_00 (04:24):
We've still got a couple hours.
At least in our time zone, westill have a couple of hours
left.
So who knows how how that'll godown.
SPEAKER_02 (04:30):
But it's almost seven, so we've got yeah five
hours before.
SPEAKER_00 (04:34):
Yeah, we've got at least five.
SPEAKER_02 (04:35):
Five hours called them false prophets.
SPEAKER_00 (04:37):
Yeah, and and listen, we're we're not here to
like jab fun at you, maybe alittle bit.
We are.
Um, but a lot of things havetaken place.
A lot of what I've heard peoplesay, Sean, is um is a shift.
Like that's a word I keephearing a lot, which is really
interesting because I've feltthat same thing shift.
(04:58):
Uh, I think Pastor preached tous a couple weeks ago, I think
the Sunday after his murder, andthe word that he used was shift.
I th I was talking to a friendof mine um a week afterwards,
and they said, I feel a shift.
And it's like things havechanged in us spiritually.
And I know, you know, there'sthere's people of all different
(05:20):
walks of life that listen tothis podcast.
There's people from alldifferent walks of life that
agree with things that we'vesaid, that disagree strongly
with things that we said.
I don't really care about any ofthat anymore.
Obviously, I have my ownphilosophies, my own life, my
own biblical views.
Obviously, I'm trying, Sean'strying to draw out the scripture
(05:43):
so that we can teach individualson this podcast how to live a
Christian life every single day.
And with that comes a lot ofscrutinization.
With that comes a lot ofindividuals that hate us.
I mean, I I can tell you oftimes where we've had episodes,
we've had people on the episodesthat have threatened, that have
(06:05):
that have literally attempted tohurt somebody because of
episodes that we've released.
We understand all that.
We also understand that likewe're we're kind of a
small-scale podcast, like we'renot big by any means.
We get X amount of viewers and Xamount of downloads every week.
But um, in the grand scheme ofthings, I look at us and I'm
(06:26):
like, you know, we're not reallybig, but there are individuals
that have been helped by thispodcast.
And over the last six months,I've dealt with a lot of deep
depression and deep things thatum I've struggled with in my own
mental walk.
I know some of you are going toturn it off now because I said
something about mental, um, butthere there have been a lot of
(06:46):
mental struggles in my own life,Sean, that you know, I've just
um I've dealt with and and anduh different things I've done to
overcome those things.
Um and obviously there's a lotof that, a lot of that is
reasoning behind why we haven'treally done an episode over the
last five or six months, amongstdifferent things, you know,
(07:06):
obviously.
Um, but I just can't in goodconscience hold back anymore.
It's like I can't in goodconscience, because I've thought
about it, you know, the lastfive months, I've thought, well,
well, maybe we should quit it,maybe we should stop.
Um and honestly, that thatmoment, I think a lot of people
(07:30):
have felt this way, but at thatmoment that I saw the video, and
I don't recommend anybody to gosee the video, but the moment
that I saw the video, it waslike all of a sudden, at the
moment I was I was furious, Iwas angry, I was emotional, I
was sad, which we'll talk aboutthat here in a moment because
(07:50):
I've I've got some more to addto that.
But I was really upset, and inan instant it was like God
healed me.
And I don't know why.
I don't, I'm not saying thatlike this this thing had to
happen for God to heal me.
Maybe it was my own, you know,blocks and obstacles, but it was
like at that moment I felt arelease in my mind, and I
(08:12):
thought to myself, I need to domore.
I need to do more.
I'm tired of sitting sittingaround doing nothing.
I'm tired of sitting arounddoing the status quo or reaching
a ceiling and then going backdown.
And so at the moment, thatWednesday that he was shot, I'm
just sharing some of mytestimony, and and Sean
obviously interrupt me if I gotoo long or I say too much.
(08:34):
But at the moment that he wasshot, listen to the man for like
13 years, like since like 2015or 2012 or something like that,
2013.
Um, he gets shot.
Immediately you see the video,you're like, he's he's gone.
Like there's there's there'sprobably no way that that he
survived this, you know.
(08:54):
And all through that day, myquestion to God was, God, what
do I do?
God, what do I do?
And little like sprinkled inthroughout, um sprinkled in
throughout the last five months,I've been asking God that
question.
And he's been revealing littlethings to me here and there, and
(09:15):
I'm thankful for that.
It's like, you know, even in myown hurt and depression and my
own like mental battles, it'slike God's been like sprinkling
little things in.
And so I've asked him that, andhe's revealed some things to me
that I'll hopefully share soon.
Um, but I asked those thosequestions for the last six
months.
What do I do, God?
What do I do?
How do I do this?
(09:36):
What do I do here?
How do I fix this?
The moment it shot all throughthat Wednesday, God, what do I
do?
What do I do?
All day Thursday, all I couldthink about was that this person
who stood for conservativebiblical values, which by the
way, conservatism have, I'm notsaying everybody in conservative
(09:56):
conservatism is right, but I amsaying that if you have biblical
values, most of those values aregoing to align with conservative
values.
So here's a man who stands upfor what's right.
And almost every video I've seenof this dude for I don't know
how many years, somewhere mixedin, there's something about
(10:16):
Jesus.
SPEAKER_02 (10:19):
I believe that the full the last question that he
answered fully, yeah, uh, was hewas actually talking about Jesus
Christ.
Yeah.
So it was the second to lastquestion he ever received.
So he was witnessing just justmere seconds before.
So I mean, yeah, absolutely.
He's always Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
Up until his point of death, he was doing that.
And so all that things rushingin through my head, and I'm
thinking, God, what do I do?
Lord, what do I do?
I'm just asking that questionover and over and over again,
all throughout the day.
I just don't know why I'm askingit.
I'm just like, God, what do Ido?
And some of you may have beenasking that question, by the
way.
I think, you know, I've I'veheard of others say that, you
(11:01):
know, Lord, what how can we stepin?
And you know, it's pretty crazyto see the amount of support
that has come to Turning PointUSA and how many people have
tried to open chapters and stuffand and they've engaged in that,
and I'm thankful for that.
But I think that that samethought process has gone through
people's mind of Lord, what do Ido?
What more can I do?
You know what I mean?
(11:22):
And so I'm asking him that allday Wednesday, all day Thursday.
Friday rolls around.
I'm asking him that all dayFriday.
And then I think his wife speaksFriday night.
It was either Friday orSaturday, and she's up there
talking and like a little bit oflike personal for me.
(11:43):
I like to listen to things whileI take a shower, you know.
So I'm in the shower listeningto this lady give a pretty
incredible speech.
And of course, I'm in there likefreaking out, like, God, what do
I do?
Like it's it's amazing how God'sworking on my heart during this
moment.
And I'm listening to this reallyincredible speech, and I'm
(12:06):
crying because I I feel sorryfor her, and I'm crying because
I feel sorry for his family.
And at the same time, it's likethere's a call to action,
there's something in me that'sjust stirring.
And finally, I'm I'm in thesh'in the shower.
My wife, I don't remember whereshe went, like Dollar General or
something.
So I'm alone.
Thank God.
Because I just grab my hair andI say, God, what do I do?
(12:29):
And it was as if lightning boltstruck my head.
I've never quite felt this.
The only time I've ever reallyexperienced this is when I first
was saved.
And even then it was kind ofstronger.
I don't know why, by the way.
Um, but it was like a lightningbolt just touched my head and it
went all the way down to mytoes.
(12:51):
And I hear a voice in my mind,in my heart, whatever you want
to call it, and it just yellsback at me.
I yell, I yell at God, and Godyells back at me this.
Do anything.
Do anything.
So I'm like, I'm I'm sittingthere like shocked, you know.
(13:12):
And all of a sudden I feel thatagain, head to my toe, and it
says, do anything.
It's better than doing nothing.
Of course, I'm bawling again,and I'm not trying to make, you
know, I could talk about CharlieKirk all day, I could talk about
his death all day.
I'm not trying to make it aboutme.
I know a lot of people are doingthat.
Um, your Candace Owens of theworld.
(13:34):
Don't get me started on that.
Don't even start here.
SPEAKER_02 (13:36):
I didn't say that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:36):
I know, I know what you're about to say over here,
but even I know there'sindividuals that are trying to
take this experience and makethat about themselves.
And in a weird way, in a reallystrange way, I think it's given
(13:57):
people self-reflection becauseit's given people the ability to
look at a man who stood up forwhat was right, killed for what
was right, and say, Am I reallydoing enough?
And God's just saying, doanything.
Why, why, why have we become socomfortable with if I go to
(14:20):
church and I get inside of abuilding, that's when I can do
something for God.
And you can, by the way, you cando something for God in your
church building.
Why is Christ not a part of myconversation in everyday life?
Why do I go to a gas station andfill up with gas and see someone
(14:46):
who's struggling and not go upto that individual and say, it's
because a couple things.
Number one, it's because of myown laziness.
And number two, it's because ofthe inconvenience that it causes
me.
We we we as Christians becomeso, we we as Christians become
so I'm so sorry, I gotinterrupted because brother your
(15:07):
your dad, he says, I'm so proudof you, Jonathan.
Always have been, always willbe, and I'm pretty proud of the
other guy that's there too.
I thought he was sayingsomething bad about you.
That's so funny.
But we get so caught up in ourown time schedule.
We get so caught up in front,you know, with me, like 6 a.m.
I wake up and I pray and I readmy Bible.
(15:29):
I eat breakfast, 7 a.m.
I clock into work, 4 p.m.
I clock out of work, 4 to 5 p.m.
I play with the kids, 5 to 7p.m.
I've got, you know, Wednesdaynights, it's usually I've got
youth or whatever, 5 to 8 p.m.
I've got youth.
You know, Tuesday nights, it'sapparently podcast night.
You know, it's always something.
It's like it's like we arescheduling time to be away from
(15:54):
our purpose, and that purpose isto share the gospel.
There you think about, I knowI'm I need you to step in here,
man.
I need you to back me up here.
When you think about when youthink about purpose, when you
think about purpose, we we somany times we try to schedule
(16:16):
things to where it it negatesthat purpose in our life or it
takes away from those moments.
And it's like if you would justtake five minutes to bring
somebody water and say a prayerfor them, or to preach Jesus or
tell them about Christ, likewhat is that gonna do to your
schedule?
It's it may mess up yourschedule by five minutes, right?
(16:41):
But um, but I would much ratherhave five minutes messed up for
God than I would five minutes ofdoing nothing or getting to a
place where it's like I got hereon time, and it turns out I
didn't even it didn't evenmatter.
You ever done that before?
You're like, I've gotta getthere early.
My wife's like, you drive menuts.
(17:02):
I'm like, I gotta get there atleast 15 minutes early.
And I get there 15 minutesearly, and they don't even start
for 30 more minutes.
I think that I know in myself,and I'm I'm preaching, you know,
to the to the choir here, but Iknow in myself there's more I
could do.
There's differences I can make.
There's some hard lines thatjust can't be crossed anymore.
(17:25):
There's some messages that I'llprobably need to preach to our
youth group that are biblical,but they're hurtful and hard.
Because sometimes the truthhurts and sometimes the truth is
hard.
But I can't in good consciencedo nothing, Sean.
I can't conscience goodconscience do nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (17:45):
We can't anymore.
I believe it was I don't evenremember what I would I think it
was Monday, the Monday after youhad that your little that Friday
or Saturday that that happened,I called you, and we were just
sitting there talking.
And um I was I was at workactually cleaning some some
(18:08):
buildings out.
And and we both just broke downin tears.
SPEAKER_01 (18:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:15):
And started crying over the phone about just, you
know, what else can we do?
What else?
And and I've you know, like youwhen that happened, I was man,
is there is there anything I cando?
Is there anything that I cananything anything extra?
I guess was kind of my question.
Yeah.
(18:37):
And you know, I I think of ofCharlie Kirk and the likes you
know, they had, I believe theyhad at the time of when all that
went down, I believe they hadabout 3200 chapters going on.
Yeah.
And I was like, man, I'll neverI'll never mount to that.
I'll never have anything of thatcapacity.
(18:58):
Or is it possible maybe?
Yeah, I don't know.
But while I was questioningthose kind of things, you know,
what my Sunday school class cameto mind.
SPEAKER_01 (19:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:12):
I was like, am I doing am I doing enough for my
class?
Am I studying enough?
Am I praying enough for thosekids?
Yeah.
Um, obviously the podcast cameup.
You know, we've we've taken timeoff, and and I was like, man, I
(19:33):
I was gonna get pretty bold withit and say, even if Jonathan
wasn't, I was gonna try tofigure out a way to do it, but
thank God he decided he wantedto do it again, too.
SPEAKER_00 (19:41):
Finally stepped up.
SPEAKER_02 (19:42):
Um but I mean that that drive is there, that shift
that you were talking about isit's definitely there.
You see it all around.
There are there are those outthere that are hurt by different
things, and I understand that.
You know, we're not trying tonegate all of that.
Uh, but it it's it's definitelytime to stand up, take a stand
(20:06):
for a lot of these things.
Uh, and we've seen it happen.
Yeah.
We're seeing it happen.
I've talked to to multipledifferent people, and I'm, you
know, like like you havedifferent ones about those
different about different thingsthat they want to do and be a
part of uh TPUSA.
Yeah.
They wanted uh I think it wasabout a year and a half ago or
(20:30):
so, they asked Charlie Kirkwhere he wanted to get to, and
he said, I want to get to 20,000chapters.
SPEAKER_01 (20:37):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (20:38):
That was his goal.
It was one of these days hesaid, I want to get to 20,000
chapters.
Yeah.
You know, he was at 3,200.
And to him, you know, to hearthat.
SPEAKER_00 (20:50):
Hey, it's so hard to do it.
SPEAKER_02 (20:54):
You know, I'm sh I'm sure for him that was that was a
huge goal.
That was something that was justseemed so far out of reach for
him.
And and you know, in his mind,3,200, you know, that's to go
from that, you need to go, youknow, a six or seven multiplier
(21:15):
to get to that twenty thousand.
You know, what is there any wayI'll ever get to twenty
thousand?
And he never got to see that.
But over the last two weeks,there have been over 70,000
requests, if I remember right,yeah for new chapters.
SPEAKER_00 (21:34):
Yeah.
It's pretty crazy.
I love this.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:39):
And so, you know, for me to sit here and like,
what can I do?
Is there anything extra?
What else can I do?
Right.
And then to have thatconversation with Jonathan of do
anything.
Right.
You know, that to me that wasokay, well, when are we gonna
(21:59):
start the podcast back up?
Because it's it's time.
SPEAKER_01 (22:03):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:06):
When tonight I'm gonna start praying for Sunday
school for my class so I can beprepared for them Sunday.
Not wait till the weekend getshere to try to be prepared for
it.
SPEAKER_01 (22:18):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (22:19):
You know, because I want them to learn, I want them
to understand, I want to bebiblical.
SPEAKER_01 (22:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:24):
You know, I want effort, yeah.
This effort, and not that Idon't put in effort, but you can
always be better.
Yeah, you can always do better.
And when I say you, I'm talkingabout me.
Right.
I can always be better.
SPEAKER_00 (22:41):
Yeah, I agree.
You could always be better, butyeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:45):
Well, I was the one that wants to start the podcast
up.
SPEAKER_00 (22:47):
So that's so true.
Amen.
He got me here.
You know what I'm saying?
I love it because uh youprobably saw me go across the
screen.
It's because these cameras, man,they they will not stay, they
it's like they won't stay on,and I've got this cool switcher
and I'm I'm getting used to it.
Like I'm gonna I'm gonna be ableto get it down pat to where it's
just working justexponentiously.
(23:08):
Is that even a word?
I don't know.
Uh, but I agree, you know, it'slike there's more, obviously,
more things that we could do andcontinue to do um to kind of
push push the limit a littlebit.
Like I think that we we reallyjust get comfortable and it's
like just push the limit.
And my wife and I, we're justhaving a discussion here, by the
(23:30):
way.
I know you I know some of youguys are like, you know, what
what is this?
Like, what what is this podcast?
This is it.
Um, yeah, that this is this ispretty much it.
Like, we're just talking aboutany and all things from you know
a worldview or whatever, apolitical view.
There's probably gonna be alittle bit more politics mixed
in um to this podcast.
Bear with me.
Wait, what did you do just now?
(23:50):
Day everyday Christian mugs,still have those around.
We have a warehouse full of themthat if you want yeah, I made a
bunch of them and nobody boughtthem.
So$20 to support um all proceedsgo to Sean.
He's I'm kidding, he looked atme sometimes.
Anyway, to the podcast.
To the podcast.
(24:11):
There are a lot of things thatare going on, obviously, right
now.
Um more my wife and I weretalking, and and and you've
probably seen this too, but it'sit's crazy how you start seeing
it play out in real time, wherethat mentality of that mentality
of good being evil and e be evilbeing called good, it's just
(24:34):
wild to me.
Like it, and you saw we've seenit a lot, obviously.
And I know what you're thinking,like, well, this is not a left
and a right thing.
This is a Jesus thing versusevil thing, and I a hundred
percent agree with you.
But like I mentioned at thebeginning of this show, if you
have biblical values, most ofthose are gonna line up with a
(24:54):
conservative political stance.
They're not gonna they're notgonna line up with a
left-leaning stance, they're notgonna line up with a
left-leaning ideology, they'rejust not.
Um, and to say that they are tome is a uh a gross
misrepresentation of of what theBible, what the word of God
(25:14):
says.
So I want you to think aboutthat um for a moment as I say
the next thing.
There are a lot of people on theother side of the aisle that are
so wicked and vile and evil,which by the way, I know.
Well, there's people on bothsides of the aisle.
Again, yes, I know that I agreewith that.
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There's people on the right sidethat are very wicked and evil
and vile and all that too.
When this dude was shot, it thethe news cycle is crazy how much
it's changing.
This guy shot, which take awayreligion, take away uh political
beliefs for a second.
(25:55):
A man was shot because of words.
You like how I switched thecamera to you?
A man anytime Sean doessomething embarrassing, like
he's gonna pop a pimple orsomething, we're gonna switch it
to him.
A man was shot for words.
(26:16):
And that should astonish some ofyou.
That should, that should Iwouldn't say scare some of you,
but that should wake some of youup.
A man was shot for words.
And the other, the left-leaningside of the aisle laughed and
didn't care and said, good, hewas speaking hate.
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And I wouldn't have pulled thebullet, but I'm glad for the
person that did.
How crazy and how messed uppulled the bullet, pulled the
trigger.
Sean you got I this is why Iswitch over to Sean because he
he's he he makes the phases andhe corrects me.
I've heard people say thatthough.
I I didn't pull the trigger, butI'm glad that somebody did.
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Shame.
But not just shame, evil andwicked.
And in the same like 48-hourperiod within a week's time,
those same people freaked outbecause ABC canceled Jimmy
Kimmel's show.
And they said, Well, they'retaking away our freedom of
(27:22):
speech.
And I literally had people say,if you compare the two, really,
Jimmy Kimmel's show beingcanceled was worse than Charlie
Kirk being murdered.
I I I cannot stand it.
It aggravates me.
You guys are gonna seeaggravated John Rich in this
podcast.
I'm so mad about that becauseit's wrong to say that someone
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who had, I think between the agerate, you'll have to fact check
me on this, but like peoplewithin my age range, I think it
was like 20 to 35, a night had250,000 viewers.
And you're gonna tell me that hewas fired because of freedom of
speech.
You can argue that with me allday, but he probably should have
been fired 10 years ago.
But for someone to tell me thatan individual deserved to be
(28:09):
shot because of they really canonly come up with three or four
things that they disagree with,and they they they spew those
all over and reiterate those,I'm not saying I agree with
everything Charlie Kirk said.
I've I've I've agreed with a lotless things that Joe Biden or
Kamala Harris have said, but notone time have I ever thought to
(28:34):
myself, I wish somebody wouldpull the trigger and kill them.
But then to think that thishappening is a good thing, and
some of you are gonna disagreewith that, I simply don't care.
But for for you to think thatJimmy Kimmel's show being
(28:55):
cancelled, which it's supposedto be back on tonight, is worse
than Charlie Kirk's murder.
We are seeing in real time evilbeing called good and good being
called evil.
And I don't know about you, butit's it's time to take a stand.
It's time to stand against thosethings.
(29:15):
I am tired, Brother Sean.
I told you I was you like buckleup.
I am tired of the church worldsaying we don't need to be
involved in politics.
I'm tired of that mentality.
I'm tired of the mentality thatsays we don't need to preach
politics from behind the pulpit.
Now get listen to me.
(29:35):
I am not saying get up behindthe pulpit and tell your
congregation to vote for DonaldTrump.
And if you don't, you're not,you know, you're not just not
only not a red blooded American,but you're not a red blooded
Christian.
I'm not saying any of thosethings.
What I am saying is to believeor to pretend.
(30:00):
That issues such as abortionthat we believe God gives life
and God is, you know, wants usto be pro-life, for us to say
that, and then to also say Idon't want to have anything to
do with politics is an oxymoron.
Because those things go hand inhand.
(30:21):
To say I want to, I want thereto be legislation that protects
the sanctity of marriage, andthen to say, I don't want to be
involved in politics, I'm sorry,I have a problem with that.
You know, Sean, again, I talkedto you about this before.
You may completely disagree withme, and that's totally fine.
(30:42):
I just have a problem with thatthough.
To sit up here and tell me thatyou believe that God created one
man and one woman, two genders,and then not to vote against
statewide legislation to get ridof that mentality and that
(31:06):
ideology.
Well, evil's getting bad.
Evil's getting bad, but thatdoesn't mean we do nothing.
Evil's getting worse.
Evil's getting worse.
That doesn't mean we do nothing.
I I can't.
You cannot tell me that thechurch cannot be involved in
politics anymore.
Again, going back to it, I'm notsaying tell everyone and their
(31:28):
mother who to vote for.
I'm not saying any of thosethings.
What I am saying is you've gotto get engaged in your
community.
You've got to get engaged in umprotesting, you've got to get
engaged in standing outsideabortion clinics with um
sonograms to help women make theright choice.
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I think too many times, andobviously, you guys know our
background, Pentecostal holinessbackground.
And we want to say, we'vementioned this so many times,
Sean, on this podcast, but youknow what?
We haven't been here for fivemonths, so maybe you guys are
forgotten.
But we want to speak out againstCatholicism and say the things
(32:13):
that they believe are justdetrimental to the faith or all
these, you know, random things.
Their doctrines are way off.
And I don't agree with most ofCatholicism, by the way.
There's some things I do agreewith, but for me to say speak
out against this, but I alsodon't like abortion.
When they're the reasons why,one of the main reasons why
(32:37):
rather Roe versus Wade wasoverturned, Brother Sean.
Sorry, I'm talking too much.
You got to talk for me.
SPEAKER_02 (32:42):
No, you're fine.
I think um I think at one point,and I'd I think four of the
Supreme Court justices when thatwas overturned, four or four or
five almost.
I don't remember now.
Yeah they were they werepracticing Catholics.
Yeah.
(33:03):
You know, they were the onesthat got in.
And I I don't remember the exactnumbers on it either.
But but the Catholic Churchalmost single-handedly, if you
go look at the statistics andthe funding and all that stuff,
right?
Uh was the reason that it wasoverturned.
I mean, they were dumping moneyinto it uh into pro-life
(33:26):
organizations uh for years, andthey have been for a long time.
And you know, I like we'vetalked about this some me and
you and others.
It's you know, do do I agreewith the Catholics?
Yeah, like you said, not not onvery much, but I can get on
(33:50):
board with that for sure.
Yeah, you know, there there'sdefinitely a lot of things that
that other denominationschurches believe that I don't
believe, and that you know wemay see some of it we'll see eye
to eye, some of it we won't.
(34:11):
But I I have I have always triedto be a more open-minded towards
that kind of things.
I don't I don't care.
SPEAKER_01 (34:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:22):
Are you following the Bible the best you can?
SPEAKER_01 (34:24):
Right.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (34:26):
Good.
Yeah.
Are you trying to get to heaven?
Good.
Good.
Are you taking people with you?
Yeah.
Great.
Right.
I'll sit down, I'll debate, wecan talk about differing points
of view.
Yeah.
But more and more I'm yeah, I'mgetting to the point now where I
(34:48):
don't not that I was again, notthat I wasn't before, but we're
trying.
Yeah.
You're trying.
Let's get together, let's dosomething.
Yeah.
Perfect example.
Peanut butter and Jesus.
Yeah.
Uh it's a mini, there's severalministries all around.
Here in Creek County, they doone.
(35:09):
Uh I went and helped a coupleweeks ago.
And if I'm not well, I don't ifI'm not mistaken, I think there
was a Pentecostal holiness.
I know there was somePentecostal holiness people
there.
But there was also some oneness,UPC there.
(35:34):
And you know, like, well, Imean, we can't have anything to
do with the UPC because they'rethey don't believe in the
Trinity and you know all thesethings.
I get it.
There's a lot of false doctrine.
Right.
I don't care.
There's false doctrine there.
SPEAKER_00 (35:53):
Yeah.
Uh oh man, you're gonna we'regonna lose all our UPC
followers.
Sorry.
That was the one that that wasthe that was the one.
SPEAKER_02 (36:03):
We can talk about it later.
SPEAKER_01 (36:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (36:05):
Uh, you know, again, there's things we don't disagree
with, but they decided hey,there are some hurting people in
Creek County that need somehelp.
Yeah.
And I'm sure if you'd asked thatgentleman, he probably would
have said that we had a lot ofthings wrong because obviously
(36:26):
he doesn't believe the way thatwe did.
He'd have told you there was alot of things that we had messed
up.
SPEAKER_01 (36:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (36:32):
Well, guess what?
We sat side by side.
We got to talk to some people,we got to witness to some
people, we got to give some kidssome food that probably hadn't
eaten that week.
Yeah.
Some of them I would almostwould guarantee you that because
when I walked up to them and Iasked them how much they needed,
they were like, is there any waywe can have seven sandwiches?
(36:55):
Yeah.
Just me thinking here, there'sseven days in the week.
SPEAKER_01 (37:01):
You're right.
SPEAKER_02 (37:03):
That happened three or four different times.
Could have been a coincidence,and there was seven people in
the household?
Sure.
But I've heard stories of thoseones that said this is the only
meal we get.
Yeah.
I've heard those stories.
What is it gonna take?
SPEAKER_01 (37:24):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (37:25):
And and I I hate that it happened to Charlie
Kirk.
I do.
Yeah.
I I I've listened to him forprobably not as long as you
have, but I've listened to himfor a long time.
But people are finally startingto realize and to see it.
Yeah.
(37:46):
And there's uh, I mean, there'sthere's videos out there.
I saw one been a while back, andI'm actually started watching a
lot of a lot of the videos.
This one lady said that shehadn't been to church in years
because of certain things thatwere going on.
(38:08):
Yeah.
Uh some church hurt.
And that's a very real problem.
SPEAKER_01 (38:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (38:16):
Very serious, very real problem.
SPEAKER_01 (38:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (38:20):
And she had struggles in her life, some of
it she'd kind of mentioned.
Uh and you could just by lookfrom looking at her and watching
some of her videos, she lookedlike somebody that was liberal.
Yeah.
I don't know that for sure.
I'm just from looking at her andwatching her videos, she she
(38:47):
seemed to look that way.
But she, you can tell she was athinker.
And she started breaking stuffdown and really diagnosing and
analyzing.
And then she went to church on aSunday, and that Sunday
afternoon she made a video.
And she's like, Well, I guessthis is take 50 something.
(39:10):
She said, because I can't getthrough this without crying.
SPEAKER_01 (39:12):
Crying, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:13):
And right.
And she said, I walked intochurch this morning for the
first time in how many everyears?
And she said, I was greeted.
Yeah.
And I'm gonna be honest, thishit me right between the eyes.
Oh, yeah.
She said, I was greeted withopen arms.
Yeah.
(39:33):
Which and then she saidphysically, I was greeted with
open arms.
She said, I know the church.
I know enough about them.
They're always will welcome youwith open arms.
You hear churches say stuff likethat.
SPEAKER_01 (39:51):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (39:51):
She said, There were people that I hadn't seen in a
long time, people that knew me.
She said, I walked into thatdoor and they ran to the back
and opened their arms and huggedme and told me they were
thankful that I was back atchurch.
She said, I was literally, andshe's just crying her eyes out
when she's saying this.
She said, I was literallyaccepted back into the church
(40:14):
with open arms.
I'm watching that on a Sundayafternoon, and I'm like, dear
God, yeah.
Do they feel that way about me?
SPEAKER_01 (40:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:25):
I'm not much of a hugger, but if I see somebody
walk in the church, am I gonnastay in my pew?
Right.
Again, you're talking abouttaking five minutes out of your
out of your day.
Song service is going on.
Is it do I have to be so primand proper that I can't disrupt
(40:47):
service to get out of my pew,walk towards the back?
Hey brother.
Yeah, my name's Sean.
It's good to have you thisevening.
What's your name?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:58):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (41:00):
It's not that hard.
Will a few people look at me andbe like, dude, what's Sean
doing?
Probably.
SPEAKER_01 (41:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (41:06):
I don't care.
Right.
Like I've watched this lady, andjust in this last couple weeks,
like you can see again thatshift, that change.
Yeah.
And it's it's challenged me alot.
And just I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (41:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (41:29):
Well, like you said, it just like it.
Yes, it's changed.
And I think a lot of people havefelt the same way.
You know, it's it's it's like,you know, what we talked about,
like what can we do more of?
And and then it's also like aself-evaluation, like what can I
do better?
And I think that that is, youknow, there's we could talk all
(41:51):
day about like what I need to doas a part of the church and what
the church needs to be as awhole, you know, and what where
they need to go from here kindof mentality.
But you know, really, I thinkthat just the self-evaluation of
a church, you know, think aboutthings that's going on in your
church.
Like, are you being are youmaking a difference in your
(42:13):
community?
SPEAKER_02 (42:14):
And I I keep you know what I mean.
Yeah, I keep talking about thechurch, and I and I guess it's
because it's kind of where I'mcomfortable and and I have to
work on myself.
Sure.
You know, I've got my Sundayschool class that I teach, but I
(42:35):
I don't want it to be about justmy church.
Yeah, I want it to be about thepeanut butter and Jesus.
SPEAKER_01 (42:42):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (42:43):
I want it to be about the Macy's cradle.
SPEAKER_01 (42:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (42:50):
I want it to be about these things that are
outside.
Because there are those thatwill come back to church, just
like that young lady.
There are those that will feelthe need to be drawn back to
church.
But what about the ones thatdon't?
SPEAKER_01 (43:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (43:15):
What about the ones that are still hurting?
SPEAKER_01 (43:17):
Yeah.
For sure.
SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
The ones that that maybe maybe did feel a little
bit of something about this.
SPEAKER_01 (43:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (43:28):
But things were so bad that they don't feel like
they can go back.
Why can't I be the one at thegas station like you talked
about?
SPEAKER_01 (43:37):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (43:39):
Why can't I be that guy?
And when we're playing cornhole,you like hey, this guy's I
talked to a guy last night, toldhim we were evangelists,
traveled around and preached,and he had some questions about
it.
How hard is that?
We're standing side by side for10 minutes.
SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (44:03):
And man, it it that self-reflection is yeah, it's
been huge this last coupleweeks.
And I've I've had to challengemyself.
What I was saying was I've I'vehad to challenge myself that
I've got to I've got to getoutside of the church built the
full walls.
SPEAKER_00 (44:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (44:23):
It's great, but I've got to get outside of it more.
SPEAKER_00 (44:26):
Yeah.
Well, again, it just kind ofgoes back to like what we're
talking, what we've been talkingabout is like, you know, when
like how do I how do Iincorporate Christ and and
everything?
And it's a it is a consciouseffort.
Like I know, you know, somepeople it's secondhand nature,
and some people it's not.
(44:47):
And and and the reason why it'snot is because you know,
something that's secondhandnature is because practice makes
perfect.
You we have to make it up in ourmind that like every day, you
know, when I get out, when I goto work, when I'm trying to um
(45:07):
help out at church, whatever itis, when I'm going to the store,
what can I do to incorporateChrist in my language, in my
actions?
What can I do to incorporateChrist?
Something that you you hadmentioned, and I I do want to
mention this too, because I'vethought a lot about this too.
(45:29):
I think it he was just on hereand maybe he's still listening
to me now that's fine.
But I think it was your dad thatpreached about you got to give
me the title, man.
Is it like Hillary Clintonsomething in Y2K?
SPEAKER_02 (45:44):
I think Hillary Clinton is Al Gore, Y2K, Hillary
Clinton, Hillary Clinton, fearof God have in common.
They all they all make peoplepray.
SPEAKER_00 (45:54):
Yes.
And I've thought I've thoughtabout a lot of that, you know,
not just that sermon, but I'vethought about a lot about that
mentality because like that'snot right, but something like
that.
Yeah, yeah, I'll have to get onthere and comment again here,
um, Brother Todd.
But I've thought a lot aboutthat because you think about
like 9-11 was huge.
(46:15):
And people were driven to churchout of that that fear, you know,
that that fear of like um, youknow, wanting to get close to
God because of fear for thelife, fear for the country, etc.
And I felt, again, like commentbelow if you feel differently,
(46:36):
or if you feel like, you know,maybe there's an an a different
explanation to it, or whateveryou want to call it.
But I have felt like this atthis moment, this thing that has
happened has drawn people toChrist not out of fear, but out
(46:58):
of faith, which is somethingcompletely different.
When you're drawn to Christbecause you fear what he'll do
to you, um, eventually you'llprobably leave Christ when he
doesn't do anything to you.
And I'm sure that we found, Idon't know what the numbers are,
by the way, the statistics.
I probably could have lookedthose up, but I'm sure a few
(47:20):
months after 9-11, a few yearsafter 9-11, people slowly more
and more started drifting awayfrom the church or drifting away
from God, etc.
In this moment, what I'venoticed is people are coming to
God in faith and saying, I don'tknow what it is, but something
(47:41):
is drawing me.
SPEAKER_01 (47:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (47:44):
And they're saying, I'm gonna read my Bible out of
faith.
I'm gonna pray out of faith.
Now, don't get me wrong, goingto church, praying and read your
Bible are all good things, butnone of those things will get
you to heaven.
I have heard individuals say,I've dedicated my life to
Christ.
I've rededicated my life toChrist.
I've gotten saved.
(48:06):
I've got, you know, I'mbackslidden, I was resaved,
whatever.
I know those things, all four ofthose things, are the same
thing.
But I've noticed that people arebeginning to come to Christ in
this moment because I can'tthink of another thing to call
it except the spirit's drawing.
(48:27):
And I don't know why.
I don't think the rapture'sgonna occur within the next four
hours.
Maybe it will.
I don't think it's gonna occurtomorrow.
My brother's birthday istomorrow.
I don't have to buy him apresent, so we'll see if it does
happen.
SPEAKER_02 (48:41):
You might luck out.
SPEAKER_00 (48:42):
I might luck out, you know.
Jordan, if you're watching this.
But people are coming to God infaith, and that that's a whole
different.
You know, I was reading in theBible.
Um, I know we're I don't knowhow much time we've got.
We're 48 minutes in.
I was reading the Bible theother day, and it was it was
(49:02):
Jesus, it was talking aboutJesus, and the I think it was
like John chapter three or fouror something like that.
And Jesus was doing all thesemiraculous things.
It was so it was that rightafter John chapter two when he
performed the wedding in Cana.
And performed the miracle at thewedding in Cana.
And he was doing all theseperformed the wedding.
SPEAKER_02 (49:20):
I I didn't go back and reread that one.
I missed that one.
SPEAKER_00 (49:24):
Yeah, yeah.
He married a couple, it wascool.
But anyway, he performed amiracle at the wedding of
Canaan.
He did did the Bible says he heit didn't record everything that
he did, but it did he, it saidhe did all these miracles.
And then there was a crowd ofpeople that wanted to follow
him.
And the Bible says that he drewhimself away from that crowd of
(49:45):
people because he knew whattheir hearts were saying, or he
knew what how their hearts were,he knew how they were being.
And what he was, what thescripture says when it writes,
when it um, when John wrotethat, he's saying these people
are coming to God because theysee power and they see works and
(50:06):
they see miracles instead ofcoming to God in faith.
And he drew himself away fromthat that crowd.
And there's always going to bethat crowd, by the way.
There's always gonna be thecrowd that says, if I see X, Y,
Z, I'll believe.
And there's always gonna be thecrowd that says, because of fear
(50:26):
I have over this, that, or theother, I'm going to believe.
But there has to be, and youhave to make it up in your
heart, if you're listening tothis, that I'm not going to God
because I have seen XYZ orbecause I'm afraid of this or
that or the other.
I'm going to God because Ibelieve in God even if I don't,
(50:50):
even if I don't see his handmove over here.
That's faith.
That's coming to God regardlessof everything else.
That's believing in Godregardless of everything else.
We've said it a million times onthis show.
Oh, great, my camera went out.
We've said it a million times onthe show.
We're just going to have Seanplay the whole time.
We've said it a million times onthis show, but oh man, it
(51:13):
worked.
That's incredible.
We're going to get this livething down, I promise.
Shadrag, me, shack, andabindigo.
Okay.
Perfect examples of that.
Because they're in the middle ofa trial.
SPEAKER_02 (51:26):
Even if.
SPEAKER_00 (51:27):
They're in the middle of King Nebuchadnezzar
telling them, in the midst ofall these people that are
bowing.
I think it's only camera one andthree working, but it's fine.
I told you every time, dude,popping pimples, playing with
your beard, taking a drink.
I'm going to put the camera onyou.
(51:48):
Which, by the way, I noticedthat it it keeps uh it keeps
putting a square on your face,too, with the with oh man.
If you're listening on audio,you have no idea what's going
on.
This is the funniest thing ever.
I love this thing.
But in the middle of all thesepeople that are bowing before
(52:09):
this idol, when the music plays,King Nebuchadnezzar is like, you
guys, you three have to bow, orI'm gonna throw you into the
fiery furnace, and we're gonnamake it hotter than we're gonna.
SPEAKER_02 (52:19):
Where'd you go to school at?
SPEAKER_00 (52:20):
Huh?
Three.
You three, you four.
Because you know what?
There was a foot.
There was come on, man.
SPEAKER_02 (52:32):
He said, You thought you were fixing to go ahead and
he was prophesying.
Oh my god.
King Nebuchadnezzar didn't evenknow it, but he was prophesying.
SPEAKER_00 (52:39):
Yeah, you didn't even know it, but my homeschool
math.
My homeschool math uh abilitieshere are showing.
You three are going to have tobow there.
Else I'll throw you into thefire.
And and they say, well, you knowwhat?
Here's what they say.
If God shows himself, then we'llbelieve.
(53:02):
If God proves himself and stopsthe fire from even turning on,
then we'll believe.
They don't say that.
They say we're not going to bow.
And even if God doesn't deliverus, we're still not going to
bow.
That's faith.
And when it comes to the God andwhen it comes to the things of
God, we always want to say, God,if you do this, I'll believe.
(53:25):
God, if you go down to um themiddle of Mississippi and save
my great-grandma's cat, I'llbelieve.
But that's not faith.
Faith is believing even when Godhasn't moved.
Faith is believing even when Godsays no.
(53:47):
Faith is believing even when Godshuts a door, because he has all
things in his hand, all thingsare working out for his good,
and I'm gonna believe in himregardless of whether or not
rather he answers a prayer thatI have or answers a need, I
(54:09):
believe, because that's whatfaith is, Brother Sean.
That's what faith is.
Look at me.
Is that the end of our episode?
SPEAKER_02 (54:19):
I have I'm struggling with this.
SPEAKER_00 (54:21):
I know the whole setup.
SPEAKER_02 (54:22):
There's cameras, and I'm trying to look at the
camera.
SPEAKER_00 (54:25):
That's your camera.
SPEAKER_02 (54:27):
He won't even put it on me now.
SPEAKER_00 (54:28):
That's your camera.
Now I won't put it on you.
SPEAKER_02 (54:30):
Well, it's black over here, so we we've got the
but this there's a screen rightbeside us, so I'm looking at the
screen, and then I realize likeI've got to get my camera, and
then Jonathan's over here.
SPEAKER_00 (54:41):
You get you guys and girls are getting the the full
everyday.
You guys are getting the real meeffect.
SPEAKER_02 (54:46):
I am not the I am not the just the proper I'm I'm
the goofball.
I am the the weird funny one.
Um but yes, I mean scripture, Imean scripture bears out you
know what you said.
Now now faith is the substanceof things hoped for.
(55:08):
Right.
The evidence of things not seen.
SPEAKER_01 (55:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (55:12):
You know, even if we don't see it, even if that that
it's still we still believe.
SPEAKER_01 (55:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (55:21):
Me and a couple guys were talking last night about
atheists and evolution, thingslike that.
And and this comment's been madebefore.
It wasn't that I said anythingnew, but I said, I said, you
know, as an atheist, you've gota lot more faith than I do as a
(55:42):
Christian.
Yeah, you're not quick enough.
SPEAKER_00 (55:45):
I am so slow, I swear.
SPEAKER_02 (55:47):
Uh because you know, my faith as a Christian, every
once in a while I get to seesomething happen that helps
prove it.
SPEAKER_01 (55:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (55:59):
Atheism is all based on bang, it happened.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, can you prove it?
I would have a bunch oftheories.
Yeah.
No, can you prove it?
Exactly.
Uh uh.
Nope.
I mean, you've had faith for thelast 250 million years.
(56:21):
You got way more faith than Ido, bro.
SPEAKER_01 (56:23):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_02 (56:26):
But yeah, I I'm done, so I think we are at the
awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (56:30):
Yeah, this is again very impromptu.
Like, we I think I told Seanlike lat like that Monday or
whenever that we talked.
Yeah.
So just a little over a weekago, I was like, let's go.
We got to do this again.
It's gonna look different.
You know, you guys have to bearwith us.
I swear.
I feel like I say that everytime, but it's like don't swear.
(56:51):
Yeah, I'm not gonna swear.
There's always something goingon, always something changing.
SPEAKER_02 (56:55):
Y'all have got that on record.
SPEAKER_00 (56:57):
You guys have that on record.
I'll have to cancel this livevideo.
SPEAKER_02 (57:00):
We very thankful Jonathan, the Everyday Christian
Podcast.
SPEAKER_00 (57:04):
Don't do it.
Very thankful for everyone who'slistened to this episode.
Really appreciate everyone who'sstuck with us.
I've had people that havereached out, said, Hey, when are
y'all guys gonna release a newepisode?
You know, what's that lookinglike?
I've had people give ustestimony about episodes we've
done, um, little things that Ithink God has used to draw us
(57:26):
back to it.
And we're still figuring thingsout.
Um, probably gonna switch upsome sayings, switch up our um
the way we do it, switch upwhere we post it, switch up
logos.
We're gonna do a lot of changes.
We're probably gonna do a littlebit of changes on how we
actually do the podcast.
You know, notice how we've gotthree camera angles, and um,
(57:50):
we're not sitting like we're insome sort of a news conference
room or something.
This isn't even gonna be ourstudio, so whatever.
But uh very, very thankful foreveryone who's tuned in.
You know where to find us.
I think it's on Apple Podcastsas well as well as Google
Podcasts.
But if you search at podcast forhim or podcast the number for
(58:12):
him, you're gonna find us on thepodcast platform of your choice.
Um, obviously, you can search uson here at Facebook or
Instagram, the EverydayChristian Podcast, every and day
or what, Sean?
Two separate words.
SPEAKER_02 (58:26):
Um he's got numbers and everything.
Every and day are two separatewords, podcast number for him.
SPEAKER_00 (58:33):
Yeah.
At least I didn't say podcastfor him.
At least I didn't hold up a fivethis time.
The everyday Christian podcastfor him.
Oh my goodness.
But yeah.
Love to, I know we're it this iswhere it's gonna be kind of
awkward, I'll be honest withyou.
There's a couple reasons why,and you guys are gonna probably
(58:55):
laugh.
I think we only have one viewerright now.
It was up to like 10, but thankGod it's down to one.
It's gonna get really awkwardbecause I gotta figure out how
to press the end button on mycomputer that's right over there
without getting up and making itawkward for everybody else.
SPEAKER_02 (59:10):
Too late.
This is us signing off as wegrab the camera out.
SPEAKER_00 (59:17):
This is us signing off.
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