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September 23, 2025 • 71 mins

Join Ryan, Nick, and Chase on a brand new episode as they discuss the real estate market, as it faces a mix of challenges and opportunities, leading to a "corrugated" or uneven recovery rather than universal struggles. The conversation deep dives on their opinions behind Charlie Kirk's death and how society is more divided now more than ever. Plus, Ryan and Chase share their experiences as they prepare for their first full Ironman race. If you're an investor who prioritizes physical wellness and is hopeful about the future of our nation, then this episode is for you.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Everyday Millionaire Show with
Ryan Greenberg and Nick Kalkas.
Alright, guys, welcome back toanother episode of the Everyday
Millionaire Show.
We're here today doing anotherinternal with Nick and Chasey
Boy.
What's going on, guys?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
What's going on.
What's going on.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yeah, we were going to have a cool guest we're going
to have in the future talkingabout assisted living space,
which is something that haspiqued my interest before.
I don't know if you guys haveever.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
I actually talked to somebody about assisted living.
Might have been the same personFor you to like move into one.
No, ryan, for you I wasplanning your future, but no, he
does assisted living and it wasat the Everyday Millionaire
event that I talked to him aboutit.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
So I have two properties, that it's not
assisted living and I don't runthe business out of it, but one
guy who rents my two propertiesruns a.
I think it's like arehabilitation.
They're just townhouses butthere's multiple rooms and he
just is able to bring them inand have a full-time staff there
at the property to take care ofwhoever comes there, and the

(01:07):
government pays for it.
So anytime that thegovernment's involved with
funding, it's a great businessto get into.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, so we'll have him on in the next couple weeks,
but that'll be a cool episode.
So it's been a while sincewe've actually recorded a
podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, it's like two years.
I feel like Two years.
It's probably been while sincewe've actually recorded a
podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, it's like two years.
I feel like Two years.
It's probably been like a month, definitely since an internal
one at least, yeah, so I guesswe could do a little update.
Nick, you said you are.
I thought I saw you refinancinga property the other day on
Instagram, is that not?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
It was probably a purchase or a sale.
Lately I have not done anyrefinances.
And then what I mean by lately?
Probably the last four or fivemonths.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Just just flipping.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, just flipping.
You know, finding new dealsthat are appealing for flipping
versus buying holds A lot of itwhen I first started doing that
I mean I've been doing that nowfor like a year and a half, like
more.
So flipping but also acquiringrentals, but right now it's just
been strictly flipping.
I did acquire a rental that Ihaven't refinanced yet, you know

(02:10):
, a month or so ago, buteverything else has been buying
and selling, primarily at firstbecause of high interest rates
and then with the whole DSCRsituation that happened here in
Baltimore.
It's, I've heard, it's gettingtough to refinance with the DSCR
loan.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
So I guess, I started flipping at a good time, so how
are you?

Speaker 1 (02:31):
finding good deals right now, because I just feel
like everything that I'm lookingat, like I used to have a
standard of like okay, if I'mnot going to make x amount
percent or x amount like dollarsigns, I'm not going to do this
job like do you have like athreshold that you're looking
for?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, I won't buy to make $20,000 a flip.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's just not worth it for me, you won't buy it if
you can't make $20,000?
.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
No, if I only make $20,000.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Right so anything below $20,000, you're turning
away.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, anything below $30,000 or $40,000, I won't.
And some of the areas, like youguys know, I love pig town,
like there's probably my last.
Three of my last four flipshave been in pig town.
I know the area very well sowhen something comes up I don't
need time to analyze, I justknow exactly how these houses
are set up, on what streets andwhat sells better and what part

(03:19):
of pig town than other areas.
So they have been.
You know, three flips in thatarea.
I've done so.
I already, like, knew thenumbers.
I can dial in quickly, actquickly, call the agent quickly
or the wholesaler as soon as Isee it pop up and offer um offer
on that property.
Um, are you seeing?
how to sit longer yeah, yeah forsure, I had.

(03:40):
Um, well, it's little.
I've seen properties sit longer.
Yes, now there's.
It's weird because there's alot of active listings in
Pigtown that sit longer.
However, I've been lucky andfortunate to where, when I post
mine in Pigtown they go prettyquickly and I sold one at 774

(04:01):
West cross street and that had alot of activity.
It was a little bit closer tothe stadiums, a little bit
farther away from WashingtonBoulevard, which is a more
desirable area, and then I wasat the same time I was flipping
one on Sargent Street, which isa little bit lesser desirable
area, pigtown, and also changeszip codes, and there were agents
that were looking at a housenext door one agent and a buyer

(04:23):
of the one in Sergeant Streetand my contractors were working
on mine and they were looking atthe active listing next door to
mine and they asked mycontractors if they can walk
through.
The house wasn't even 70% done.
There was no floors installed.
I don't think there was anycountertop installed yet, the
cabinets weren't, but it wasjust a mess and we were just
under construction and theyimmediately called me.
They're like hey, we want toput an offer on this house.

(04:44):
They're like how much do youwant?
And I told him how much Iwanted.
It was like 20 grand more thanthe house next door, that's
completely done, or whatever.
And they were like let's do it.
And they wrote an offer on itthat that same day it might have
been the next day and weweren't under contract and I
don't know why they were likethis one just shows better, and
I'm like, well, my house noteven.
It's not even done yet.
I guess they were justvisualizing how it's going to be

(05:05):
done.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Um well, chase could talk on that, because he just
sold a couple of pre-sold housessame thing basically yeah I
mean so right now, like themarket, the market seems like
buyers are really scary, likethey're scared of everything, so
they I've had two or threedeals blow up recently and we
can dive into one of them.
But it's interesting thatyou're like having buyers walk
through and be like yeah, likeI'm ready to pull the trigger

(05:29):
because, like right now, I'mseeing a lot of the opposite.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, so one under contract to where when the and I
?
It was in that period where youneed two appraisals for FHA.
When their first appraisal came, the house still wasn't even
done yet, so they had orderedtheir appraisal.
Did they have to wait 90 days?
For what an fha.
Yeah, yeah, no, they so.

(05:52):
Like it had, they had to ordertwo appraisals.
I get, I think, because it wasin within six months?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I think that's the third.
So did have you owned theproperty for more than 90 days?

Speaker 3 (05:57):
yeah, yeah that's, that's the, so your close date,
and then there's a 90-daythreshold from when they can
close or write the contract.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh yeah yeah, no, I wasn't, it wasn't that quick.
Yeah, it wasn't that quick, but, gotcha, we were under
construction for you know, acouple months, yeah, and it
rolled into that probably over90 days gotcha but I was
surprised because the lenderdidn't even reach out.
I guess the buyer's agentdidn't let the lender know like
hey, maybe you should wait.
But another thing is, I didn'thave to stage it, I don't have
to pay, you know 13.50 to have astage.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
I didn't have to pay for photos yeah, did they ask
you for anything like to pickthe paint colors or anything
like that?

Speaker 3 (06:31):
no, because that's very good to be a painter, yeah,
yeah, that's been really tricky.
Um.
Are you listing your own flipstoo?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
yeah.
So they came and looked at thatproperty and they were like
there was another one that wewere interested in, but I wanted
a contract.
I was like which one was it?
And they said seven supportwars cross.
And I said, oh, that was minetoo.
Oh, so, I guess, because theyput two and two together, they
realized, like do you know, thishouse is going to be done the
same way as that one.
That's why they were like oh Iwant this one instead of the one
next door that was for sale fortwenty thousand dollars less

(07:00):
are you just a wild man justlisting your own flips out there
, all that liability.
Yeah, I mean, I got jammed upat least once.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I got a $5,000 fine or whatever through the GBBR
yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, I guess it's easier when it's not like you're
.
I mean, being an agent isn'treally your career field, so
it's like if you get hit, it iswhat it is.
You just eat it as aninvestment.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
I mean $5,000.
If you get hit, it is what itis, you just eat it as an
investment.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
I mean five grand and all the deals.
Yeah, it's not that bad, you'resaving money.
I mean we pay people like on myteam like flat fees or whatever
, to list ours, just to removethat liability piece.
But like if I lose my license,I mean that's, this is what I do
full-time.
So like then I'd have to turninto an investor full-time and
be like you so, which wouldn'tbe a bad thing no, not at all
full-time investor right now istough business I feel like it

(07:48):
would be tough, tough business.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
It's more managing right now for me with just
managing the portfolio yeahoccupying vacant units, turning
over units quickly, getting themoccupied quickly, and it's a
struggle right now with units.
I feel like a lot of things aresitting and it's going to
become more difficult, headinginto the fall and winter.
Yeah, getting uh property isthe rental market slowing down
too like placing tenants,everything is slow really.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Uh, I just noticed that, like, if it's not turnkey
and it has to be sharp, if it'snot sharp, buyers get super
scared.
Um, actually just talked to oneof my sellers recently.
Um glenn bernie property welisted originally.
This is a newer investor, justgot her contractor's license
Probably one of the biggerprojects I've seen you know an

(08:31):
investor do as far as, like shegutted the whole entire house
piping, hvac, plumbing,everything, pulled it all, redid
, everything, permits,everything.
Um listed at five, 60,.
The agent wasn't moving it.
She called me, wanted me tolist it.
I told her hey, I'm not goingto list it unless we're at like
five, 30, five, 40.
Um, because I it's Glen Burnie,right, like you know, I I think

(08:54):
the price range on that one,which is a little high, and so
we ended up, to make a longstory short, we ended up getting
down to four, 70, a cash offer,no financing contingencies, no
appraisal contingencies.
There was a seven dayinspection contingency.
They went through theirinspection contingency, had a
mold test.
The agent forgot to send me thepin or just I don't know.

(09:15):
She just had a lapse.
She calls me, she's like Chase,I messed up.
She was like I forgot to sendyou the pin.
There's a mold issue.
The buyers want to back out andI was like, yeah, you did mess
up, didn't you?
So they're forfeiting their 5KEMD after we told them we will
take care of everything.
Give them a certificate and amold test.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
They don't care.
But what did them not sendingyou the pin have to do with them
backing out, because it was?

Speaker 3 (09:38):
outside of their contingency.
They're outside of theircontingency.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
They're outside of their contingency window, so
they didn't send it.
She didn't send the pin withinthe seven days.
Gotcha, okay, but you guysagreed to any way to fix it, but
they were still backing out, soit didn't matter.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, of course my seller didn't want to lose a
deal.
She's been on the market forlike four or five months.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, but what?

Speaker 1 (10:03):
I'm saying is even if they would have sent, they
probably would have terminatedthe contract and not gotten
charged their emd.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Oh, because they didn't send you the business.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah, yeah that's what I'm saying, though.
Like these buyers don't evencare and they're just gonna
forfeit a 5k emd.
Luckily with her company, she'swith redfin, so redfin is
reimbursing them.
But I told her today because oryesterday because she and she
was like, well, the sellersdon't really want to release it.
They feel like you guys knewabout the mold.
And I was like, well, you cantell them.
Good luck, you know, trying toprove that, because we didn't

(10:31):
have a mold test, we didn't haveanything.
And if it was another investor,right, that didn't pull permits
or something like that, like Iprobably wouldn't have spoken so
confidently and just been like,hey, like we probably move
along before, like it gets ugly.
But like with her, I'm veryconfident because she pulled
everything, she has all herpermits straightened away, um,

(10:52):
and she's losing money on thisdeal.
So if we go back to market justtalked to a lawyer the other
day about this if we go back tomarket and we sell it for less
than what the contract the priceis right now, since they are in
breach of contract the buyercould be responsible for damages
so.
So if we sell it for 20 K less,she could go sue them for 20 K
less and all the interest hardinterest money that she's paying
.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, can you briefly describe what a pin is for
everyone listening?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, it's the property inspection notice.
And so, like this is somethingthat I've seen a lot of agents
the one on a old Hartford messon your property messed that up.
Remember she didn't send it fortwo weeks, yeah, and it costed
her clients one percent in thatdeal.
And so the property inspectionnotice is you have a contingency
period for your inspectionperiod, typically seven to ten

(11:34):
days, and that's for you to getthe property inspected and send
over this property inspectionnotice, which is you requesting
any repairs done that was foundon the inspection.
And so if you don't get thatover within the seven calendar
days let's be very specific hereunless somebody puts in there
it's business days it's alwaysdefault calendar days, so that's

(11:55):
Saturday and Sunday, and if youdon't hit that time frame then
you're out of your contingencywindow and you would be in
breach of contract and theseller doesn't have to fix
anything.
So we were even offering to fixthe problem and they still
didn't want to go.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
So I just had a contract fallout and I'm
concerned now because when I goto homescom it shows the days on
market as the days we wereunder contract in addition to
when I first listed it.
So let's say I was days onmarket before I were under
contract, in addition to, likeyou know, when I first listed it
.
So like, let's say I was under,let's say I was days on market
before I went under contractoriginally, let's say it was 13
days and I was under contractfor 45 days.

(12:32):
It's showing like all thosedays, yep, and then I went to
the mls but then then it liketook it off to where it shows
just when I went back activeagain.
But then I'm worried like is itgoing to get pushed out there
as it would for a new listingBecause it was off, it was under
contract within like 13 dayswent off the market basically
because it was under contractfor 45 days.

(12:53):
And now I'm like relisting itand this is a create.
I've never had an experiencelike this ever.
It was a single family house inBaltimore City.
I bought it from an auction, alocal auction company here in
Baltimore, and there was a guyliving in there.
We got him evicted after weclosed on the property because
it was a foreclosure, did thewhole entire renovation permits

(13:13):
and everything Got my UNO Got itunder contract.
The buyer got a home inspection.
Obviously, they ran the waterfor like 30 minutes.
There started to become like apond out back as they're running
the water and I'm like it waslike 20 feet from the back.
I'm like okay, easy fix.
They put in the pin request andwe're like we're gonna fix

(13:34):
everything.
We start digging.
We dug like six inches and wehit like a concrete and then we
dug around and it was like aconcrete circle and we took the
lid off.
It was a freaking old cesspoolin the backyard.
It wasn't even on public sewer,it was on public water.
And to think baltimore cityyou're thinking like every other
house around there has publicsewer.

(13:55):
It's just the way that thishouse was positioned.
It didn't have public, so yeahso I'm like I've I like never in
a million years would havethought because I don't do
houses in harford county andareas where you know well and
septic are, you know commonlyfound, and then, after like
learning about everything,there's only 19 septic systems
in Baltimore City.

(14:16):
But this wasn't even a septicsystem, it was like an old
cesspool.
So like the difference betweena septic system and a cesspool
is like a cesspool.
It was like made way beforeseptic systems even existed and
I think they took the old welland made that the cesspool pit
and then kind of just ran likeone drain field out into the
woods so I'm like this is anightmare.

(14:38):
So anyway, I called septiccompanies.
I called plumbers, like whatcan we do?
And septic companies were likeif we go to put a permit in for
a new septic system, that ifthere's public sewer close by
the city is most likely going tomake you connect.
And I said how much you thinkthat will cost.
They said to do everything,probably close to a hundred
thousand dollars.
I'm like there's no way I'mpaying a hundred thousand

(15:00):
dollars to get something in herethat's a functional sewer
system.
So I called a couple ofplumbers and it's like a utility
worker that I had to get intouch with.
It's not a regular plumber andI've learned all of this along
the way.
Ana are you using?
I don't know what the companywas called, but my plumber

(15:22):
connected me with the utilityguy and they were able to come
out, connect it to the main, butthe buyer got cold feet.
And they were able to come out,connected to the the main um,
but the buyer got cold feet andthey backed out.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
So now that's how much did it cost you?

Speaker 3 (15:31):
16 000 yeah did they back out contingency?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
yeah, I mean, I felt bad also because I had no clue
there was.
It was on that and they justfelt.
You know, they were like Ididn't disclose it, but I didn't
.
As soon as I, as soon as theyfailed, the inspection failed
for that water coming out thebackyard.
I didn't fail, but it was likein the inspection report, when
we started digging, that's whenwe realized we're like hey look,
this is a cesspool like thisisn't even connected to this

(15:57):
public sewer.
When I listed it, I listed iton the public sewer because I
thought and that's somethingI've never done I never snaked a
drain on a house like and youdon't run water in the houses
that you're doing fullrenovations on because they're
fully under construction, so youdon't have water to run I now
get a camera because I just hadone of our rentals that it ended

(16:18):
up costing me 20 it was like 20, some 24 000 to fix, and I got
10 000 back from insurance butthe pipe ran underneath the
entire basement and it was.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
It ended up being cast iron we finished the whole
basement like four or five yearsago they had to tear up the
entire basement floor.
We had shit coming up in the umsump pump and we were like, how
is shit getting in the sumppump?
There was a broken pipe,basically a rotted pipe,
underground and it was goinginto the drain tile and so we

(16:53):
had to.
We had to literally.
So yeah, there was poop likeliterally getting like just
caught up in the sump pump drain.
It was crazy.
So they had to tear up theentire floor, all the LVP
flooring, concrete excavation,dig in a new pipe, lay it down,
basically refinish the entirebasement.
It was a fucking nightmare.
So now, whenever the especiallyif it's if the clean out's in

(17:16):
the back, we would just assumethat the pipe went back you know
, towards the back.
It went all the way up to thefront, to the front.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
So I've been just it's like 400 bucks to have a
camp like a guy come out.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Well, no, it's like I'm thinking about my.
My main guy was like we shouldjust buy one.
I have one, 1500, I have twogrand, but I have one, but it's
like a.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
It's kind of like a cheapy one.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Um, it was, I think it was less than a thousand
bucks, but the, the plumbers canactually like, look and like,
diagnose, like so if I can getyeah, like whatever that is, if
that's like around two thousanddollars, that's probably worth
it, because then you pay foryour first five.
You know, your first fivesnakes that you do, or cameras,
or your next five houses, thenit pays for it yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, I think it was more.
I think his is like a lot more.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
That happened at one of your rentals, though, or like
a property you're managing.
No one of mine that we own, oh,lord so how?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
why did the insurance only cover a portion of it so?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
insurance only covers the damages occurred because of
the leak.
They don't cover.
Oh, the actual pipe, the actualpipe yeah so that happened.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Something similar happened at benfield the
driveway and stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, luckily that was all outside, though.
Yeah, this was through thewhole inside of the fucking
house, and that's.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's just crazy.
And you mentioned cast ironlike that's the worst type of
material.
Once years go by and for it tobe running across the whole
entire base finished basement,unfinished basement much easier,
but have run across the wholefinished basement and then to
make matters worse, my tenanthas been there since I rebuilt
the house and she's super nice,but she has the basement.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Like her family member, uncle whatever lives
down there and pays rent.
So he couldn't live thereduring this like month of time
that we were renovating it.
So I had to give her likerelief on rent too, obviously,
because she couldn't use half ofher fucking house.
So I probably gave her anotherfive thousand or so dollars and

(19:16):
just rent free rent damn so thatwas a.
That was a tough one.
So now, from now on on, I justwant to see what that looks like
, because if there's metal, evenif there's PVC in the house,
that doesn't mean yeah, it couldbe in the ground as cast iron.
They could have put a fur coatright on top of that metal and

(19:36):
put a piece of PVC in there, andyou would never know, unless
you put a camera down there or ajack in there.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
I mean in most scenarios.
Even when you do a fullrenovation and you run pvc from
the ground all the way throughthe house, they don't.
Most of the time people don'tgo and dig in the front yards to
replace the main line, theyjust you know, connect it like
you said until yeah, until itbreaks.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Um, yeah, so that that was.
That was a shitty, literalshitty.
Uh, shitty couple weeks for forone of our properties.
That's what's tough like rightnow, like people that are buying
these properties without anycash flow, like that, just eight
to four years of my cash flow,just that one issue.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
So if, like you, don't have deep pockets and
you're not making cash flow onyour properties, like you got to
be careful because yeah one ofthose things can kill you no 100
and I, every month, I still get, like you know, paper
statements for my mortgages, forall the properties, and I'll,
you know, open them all up bymyself and I'll just look at it
and I'm like every time I seethe ones that were like
refinanced, that four and aquarter, or the ones that are

(20:39):
like 120 000 debt due or less,I'm like happy about those.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
And then when I see the ones that were like bought a
little bit higher and thehigher interest rates, I'm like
from this one to that one, it'slike a huge difference and you
can clearly see that justlooking at these two pieces of
paper here yeah, I've beenlooking at some deals just in
like this area and you know,obviously like pasadena, glenn,
bernie, arnold, like there'ssome, there's some nice houses

(21:06):
that you can scoop for like 350,370, but like the cash flow,
like you're saying, is like 150,200.
And I'm just like dude, even ifI replace everything like just
one issue, one issue goes wrong.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, a maintenance issue, right, could go wrong.
But a bigger thing is liketenant, like turnovers, yeah,
you know.
Non payment, yeah, rehab aftera tenant moves out, just to get
it turned over, because that'slike now, you're holding on to
like a 350 000 mortgage versuslike 150 000 mortgage during
those periods.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
So I will say, though , I manage stuff on all ends of
the spectrum, from section eightall the way to million dollar
houses here in sabernet park,and typically the nicer, the
higher end, the turnovers are alot less because the tenants
actually take care of the place,they actually clean it up, they
actually do what they'resupposed to do.
So like a lot of the times withlike some of the, I would say

(22:01):
like all the stuff that's in thecanton, like really high end,
we can move people in and outlike in the same week.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
It's yeah, like very desirable.
I've noticed that with likecertain areas and then you
compare it to like dundalk, likedundalk, essex middle river, I
feel like tenants are all overit, whereas if you're in like,
maybe, bell or addison or evenpigtown, it's a little bit
slower for tenants to move onthose versus the ones that are
in like the county areas.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, and and I think that's part of management too
you just got to be super strictwith management and charge them.
Like we're just going tocollections with people on on
stuff, if, if they're not, ifthey're going to ruin the house,
it takes years to collect themoney.
But like people have to be heldaccountable.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, no, it's a lesson learned for them.
You know, if nobody ever doesanything, then they're going to
be like I can do it again to thenext landlord.
So it's good regardless, like Isaid.
Like, like you said, and I knowas well that you'd file
collections, you might not evensee that money, but it's also a
point made to that tenant, likemaybe they'll, on their end, not
screw it up again for the nextlandlord.

(23:05):
Or at least the landlord willsee it on record Like oh, this
person has a collections case.
Let me be more cautious whenI'm screening them.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, I was just talking to Sean about like just
buying in general and like wewere going through a couple of
different options of like, allright, well, I mean, does it
even make sense, like right now?
It just seems like he was like,why are you trying to buy so
hard?
And I was like, dude, it justseems like a good time.
Like when everybody else startsgetting cold feet, it's like it
seems like that's a good timeand you start seeing price drops
.
I'm like dude, I feel likethere's deals even on market

(23:33):
that could be had.
But like a lot of the wholesaledeals I still don't see like
makes.
I got sent one that was in myneighborhood yesterday, a sub
two deal in my neighborhood andthe dude's like, yeah, the, the
monthly payment is 2800, thelong-term rent is 2800.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I was like what?

Speaker 3 (23:53):
and then he's like short-term and mid-term.
I'm like, hey, dude, just letyou know this is my neighborhood
.
The hoa won't allow ashort-term rental like you could
do mid-term rental, but it hasto be 90 days yeah, I feel like
you know they try.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
You know a lot of these wholesalers.
They want to do something.
I give them credit for at leasttrying but at the same time
they don't.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Most of them don't know their numbers and that's
the sad part about a lot, just alot of people are.
A lot of the back-end buyers ofthose wholesalers are losing
money right now that glennbernie, do that agent or that
contractor.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
She bought from a wholesaler.
The wholesaler made 50 bandsoff her 50 racks um and she's
losing like 80 000 right now bythe day that's.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
That's a very common thing that I'm seeing.
That's why I mean talk, talkabout my business a little bit
like I'm not doing work forinvestors anymore.
I'm pretty much done Like,besides the big stuff, the big
commercial stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Is that because it's has it slowed down from your
customer standpoint, or have youjust been like it's just not
making sense for you, as in yourbusiness?

Speaker 1 (24:57):
It just doesn't make sense to do the projects,
because all these people get tothe end and they run out of
money.
They things always cost morethan what they think it's going
to cost, um, and they just theydon't want to pay.
They don't want to pay.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
So, but your, your customer clientele has changed
too.
Like serena park has reallypicked up for you as well.
So like I think that's I'veseen it shift on my perspective
like dude, we were talking aboutflipping, just like.
He's like dude, I got likethree additions and I got 12
kitchens I'm doing right now.
He's like why would I flip?
And I'm like dude, that makessense, like you should be, you

(25:33):
know doing homeowner stuff, andI think that's picked up for you
right.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah.
So like the typical investor, Iwould scrape by like 10% net,
you know, at the end of the day.
So if I did a hundred thousanddollar job, maybe I'm making 10
grand.
Hundred thousand dollar job,you think, probably is like a
two, three month job.
You make at the end of the day10 grand, whereas like a nice
master bathroom remodel, I wouldmake 10 grand and it would take

(25:58):
seven days.
So like why would I go buy ahouse, pay the lender, do all
this stuff, take the risk, whenI could just go build a bathroom
, a kitchen?

Speaker 2 (26:07):
make more.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
An addition, you make more and we're actually just
another thing we can talk about.
I just engaged with a marketingagency, a local marketing
agency in Canton, and it's funny.
I was actually like Googling.
I was at the beach this week inobx and I was just googling

(26:28):
maryland-based um marketingcompanies for construct.
I wanted something for, likethat, new contracting companies
and construction companies, andthe first one that came up on
google I was like lookingthrough their um pictures and
about me and all that stuff.
And I saw a dude that I knewfrom my gym that lives in

(26:48):
shipley's.
He's like all right, my age,our age and and, um, he, I knew
he did some sort of marketingfor, like construction companies
and I saw his face.
I texted him and I hit him upand I had a sales call with them
and they're going to take overlike all um SEO, social media

(27:09):
video, like basically everything, and get me like I was, like I
want to be number one on Googlewhen people type in kitchen
remodels in Sabrina park in.
Arnold in Annapolis, and that'swhat they said they do, and they
do it specifically forconstruction companies nice
typically like larger scale,like commercial people, but they

(27:30):
take on smaller smallercompanies with something like
that run about 60 000 a year.
It's fair, yeah, so if the waythat I look at it is, if I
wanted to hire somebody and thisis what this guy kind of
explained to me and it makessense so like I would have like
four different divisions that Iwould work with.

(27:51):
Like there's an SEO divisionand I have a rep and that all
they do is SEO, and then I havea social person All they do is
social media.
Like then I have I forget what.
There's.
There's like four categories ofpeople and the way he pitched
it and it made sense.
He's like you can go hire oneperson and they could maybe be

(28:12):
mediocre at each one of thesethings, or you can hire us for
the same amount of money 60 000is about what I would have to
pay a starting like person andwe will have four people that
specialize in exactly what youwant them to specialize in, and
I don't have to worry about theemployee taxes and workers
compensation and all thatcompliance stuff that we're

(28:34):
going through right now with the, with the consulting company
that we're paying, paying a lotof fucking companies to tell us
what to do.
It seems like.
But that's kind of thedirection that I want to go.
I want to be like I have thatsign up dude.
That sign it on evergreen hasbeen just crushing.
He actually the guy on thesales call when he's like, are
you p home run the same companydoing that house on evergreen,
he's like I live in savannahpark.

(28:55):
I'm like, yeah, that's us.
So I'm going heavy on themarketing for the homeowners and
residential remodels, newbuilds, stuff like that.
Um, it's just better money manfor less.
There's still risk, obviously,but the the I think why this is

(29:15):
why this part is of my businessis going so well is because the
real estate is struggling,because people aren't moving.
Instead they're putting anaddition on because they want to
go bigger.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Something that we were talking about too is like
saverna park is veryintra-family, right.
So you get somebody that theirgrandma's lived in that house 40
, 50, 60 years.
It's paid off.
Now they pass it down to thegrandchild or their daughter or
whatever and they're like allright, well, I know I don't want
to sell this paid off house.
I could, but I'm gonna pay abunch of capital gains.
It's also saverna park, so whywouldn't I just move in it,

(29:47):
spend 200, 300k, pull a heloc orwhatever and then renovate it?
Like to me that makes sense.
Um, or they're in a situationwhere they did refi and they
have like a two and a quarter orthree percent rate and they
don't want to move.
So they'll just pop the top anddo an addition.
So I mean, yeah, that's.
I mean that's pretty much ever.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
That one on evergreen , that's what the guy.
It was his grandmother's houseand he took it over when she
passed away and he's doing agiant rehab on it, making it a
brand new house in zibirna park.
Those other people on cedar thebig, the big house on cedar
that we're rebuilding that againthose people they owned the

(30:27):
house and they were like,instead of buying another one,
they just built their own.
So I don't know.
I think that that business isgoing to do well as the real
estate market struggles.
So that's kind of been ourfocus, yeah yeah no, it's a good
, great point.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
You know, as we all know four or five years ago, a
homeowner can get a two, threepercent interest, so why would
they even sell that?
It's actually almost foolish to, even if somebody like actually
has to move.
Let's say, for example, forwork, like they should keep that
house and if they had to move,just buy another house because
it's free money, dude, yeahselling a house that you have
two or three percent.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
It's just not a good business choice it's not a good
business I just I mean to mepeople are like, oh, rates will
get down there and it's likedude, I don't know man, I just
unless they just announced todayit was like 0.25, drop like
it's nothing yeah so, and thatdoesn't have anything to do with
really the mortgage rates.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I mean a little bit, but not really.
So I don't know, I don't thinkwe're going to see low, low
rates for a little while, like Ithink that they're going to
stay kind of where they're at ora little, maybe get a little
bit lower, but I don't know.
I think, yeah, I think people,less people are moving and doing
additions and staying wherethey're at.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
This is like where I tell my agents too is like, okay
, well, it's slows up for youbusiness wise, but this could
also be an opportunity for youto start adding properties to
your portfolio, picking up gooddeals that have set on the
market.
Because I was talking to oneagent the other day and she said
, uh, she had a cash buyer,there was a house on the water,
it was listed at 950 and uh,they came in, offered 870 and

(32:04):
they took it and it's like those, there's deals to be had there.
It's just how long are peoplewilling to sit?
I mean, the one in chipley'syou, you had or not you had, but
the you were competing with itdid a 50k price drop.
Is it pending yet?
yeah, it is yeah, I just lookedthe other day.
That's good, it's a nice house,it's nicer than the one that
I'm selling.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, yeah, unfortunately, I would say
anything over like but thoseguys are taking a bath on that.
That's good.
It's a nice house.
It's nicer than the one thatI'm selling.
Yeah, yeah, unfortunately.
I would say anything over like,but those guys are taking a
bath on that house.
Yeah, Like they're.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
they're losing a lot of money there.
Yeah, so is that like a home?
That house was done and theywere selling it to a homeowner
the one that reduced 50 grand.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, like turnkey stuff, but even the ones that
aren't like.
There's one in Arnold thatwe're looking at right now and
Sean's like taking a couple ofhis investors through that.
Like those people look like aninvestor picked it up at an
auction, thought they were goingto flip it, and now they're
like trying to resell it andlike now, walk away.
And Sean called the agent andwas like this is what we're

(32:58):
offering.
And she was like, yeah, that'snot going to work.
He's going to lose money.
And Sean's like I don't knowwhat that's got to do with me,
but this is the offer.
Can you present it, you know?
Like it doesn't matter if he'slosing money or not.
Like this is what we're willingto pay right now.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
And yeah, or you can just sit on it on the market,
they'll come to that realization, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
So you want to hear another um, a cool want to do,
maybe so mobile kitchen right.
So when I'm doing like akitchen remodel, you have a
kitchen in a trailer dude.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
All right, I'll have carl showroom.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Let's see if carl can post this on.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
No, I think like so that they can cook.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
But yeah, no, no, so they can cook there's carry out
though look pretty cool.
We'll have to have carl postthis video, I mean what's the
average time frame of like uh?
So I looked this company up um.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
It was the average time frame for you to do a
kitchen, like four to six weeksokay, so I guess it is and I'm
confused who's the clientele?
No, no, it's for if he has, ifhe's doing a, a rehab kitchen,
it's for the homeowners to havea kitchen to use in the meantime
yeah, oh, you're gonna rent itto him, or no?

Speaker 3 (34:15):
yeah, so that's this.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
That's what this company does.
It's called kitchen cube.
They're out of the uk this isactually cool kitchen cube.
You should send me a check forthis plug they.
They rent it by the week and orby the month.
So one week is 350, um, twoweeks is 585, three weeks is 820

(34:40):
, four weeks is a thousand bucks.
So typically, let's just say akitchen is and it's 235 a week
after that, so that's like anextra five.
So it's like 1500 bucks for theentirety of the time that you
because, like we're starting akitchen on monday, we're about
to tear their kitchen out.
We're doing a lot of shit inthere, moving electric, moving
some plumbing, blah, blah.

(35:01):
That's six weeks.
They're not going to haveanything to cook with besides
like a microwave that they canplug in somewhere maybe.
But they could just get atrailer delivered with a nice
little kitchen in it and pay1500 bucks and at the price
point that I'm doing thesekitchens at 1500 bucks is really
not like that much, right?

(35:22):
you get a couple of those truckswith trailers in it yeah and
then I could start calling otherremodelers, like high-end, you
know remodeling companies andgetting them to sell it to their
clients, yeah, or just addingit in their package.
Right, for two thousand bucksyou get a kitchen, you get a
temporary kitchen yeah, it'spretty cool.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Well.
So, yeah, I think adding it onversus like adding, adding it
after, offering it after, like,look, we can include this into
this deal.
That way it's like it's an, itis an upsell, but then it's also
you're providing something elsesomething that another
contractor isn't providing, likeyou're like oh, I didn't even
think about that.
I'm not gonna have a kitchenfor six weeks.

(36:02):
What am I gonna do?
Oh, there's a kitchen rightoutside for me.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
That's what I was thinking, Like you just build
that into your price.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Like however long the rehab's going to take, and if
they want to take it off, havethem take it off.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah, and then if they're like, this price is a
little higher.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
And then, like oh, trailer a 16,.
I was just looking these upbecause I was looking at
trailers.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Like $6,000 to $8,000 for the trailer.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, so you can get a good trailer for $6,000, right
, how much can it cost to buildout one of those things?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
$10,000 maybe I would say $15,000 for a whole thing
$15,000 with appliances.
Well, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
You got to have a water tank, though right, a
holding tank.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
No you, you would have a hose hookup like my, like
the boat does so, like when weget to like a shore when we get
to shore, you just plug in ahose and the hose runs and then
you just have an uh under thesink water heater and a filter.
And yeah, you can have a field.
You could put a filter rightonto the hose connection, but
you just pop like a camper.

(37:07):
You know like a camper has youjust connect the hose to it, um,
and then it'll have like adrain tank for the gray water,
that just like a porta potty.
You'd have to come and havepeople, somebody, service it so
often or whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
I guess the good thing they wouldn't be like
using the bathroom in there, sothey would.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
It's just gray water from the sink would be the only
thing.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
And then, I guess, a generator to run the stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I would just run a plug from their house.
Yeah, plug it right in.
I mean you could get a propanegrill to go, so you have propane
for the grill and then electricjust to plug.
And you could even get a 30-ampplug for a boat, like a bigger
one, so you can put a plug andyou can even get like a 30 amp
plug like for like a boat youknow, like a bigger one so you

(37:53):
can put like a microwave and allthat.
I don't know man could be.
Uh, could be a cool projectopportunity could be an
opportunity.
Um so, uh, I had another thing,oh sad about charlie kirk.
Huh, yeah you, you should paysome sort of tribute to him.
That's really sad it is.
I've been seeing all sorts ofcrazy conspiracies and stuff,

(38:20):
but ultimately they caught theguy and it was just as a kid.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, and it's one thing to imagine doing something
like that and I'm sure there'sa lot of people who didn one
thing to like imagine doingsomething like that.
I'm sure there's a lot ofpeople who don't, who didn't
like him wanting to do somethinglike that, and then it's
another thing to like actuallyplanning out and actually follow
through with it, which that kidobviously did, and it's like
crazy, just the whole, wholesituation yeah, I I posted
something the other day.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I was really like kind of hesitant on posting and
I think a lot of us mean I'msure you guys probably had to
think like, oh, like I haveclients or somebody's going to
see this, or I think that's justsad man, like that, we have to
think about that before we postviews.
But like, should we die for ouropinions?
And that's literally what hedid is like people are acting

(39:13):
like, um, that we're praisinghim or we're like he's some god
we're worshiping, because we'relike like mourning his death.
The problem is it's it's notjust about who he was, but it
was what he stood for on freespeech, and that's my biggest
issue with it is like people arelike, oh well, what about the
kids that you know got got shotin Colorado?
It's like, yes, that's awful aswell.
Like I 100% agree with you.
Nobody's life is more valuablethan the other person's life.

(39:36):
The problem is when you starthaving political assassinations
and we start killing each otherfor opinions, that's what Civil
War like, that's how Civil Warhappens.
So, like that's my big thing islike, like I understand, like
there, anybody that getsassassinated is awful, but on
the same token as like politicalassassination is like it's, it

(39:57):
is what, it's what it is to tobring some levity to this
conversation.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Can we imagine just for a second the left versus the
right?
We have a bunch of blue-hairedum people with beanies on, and,
and, uh, you know whatever.
Uh, what are those people?
Called the, the fuzzies, thefurries, the furries we got a
bunch of furries coming out andthen it's just then.

(40:23):
It's all the rednecks and allthe the people on the right with
all the guns.
It would be.
It would be a riot to watch.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Well, it's also interesting.
It's like the first one's thepoint to like gun violence is
the people that are killingpeople with guns.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
So it's kind of interesting.
It's like we need more guncontrol.
It's like, no, we need moremental health control.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
And at first, you know, when it came out, we
didn't really know what wasgoing on.
The news didn't know what wasgoing on and they were saying
people on Facebook who were,like you know, supported what
the shooter did.
They're like, oh, look at thisnow, it was a Republican who
shot him.
You know a straight guy who's aRepublican.
And then we find out that hewas having sexual relations with

(41:06):
a transgender and he wasn't.
Republican, you know.
So the truth finally came out.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
But like to see people post like, oh, you know,
this guy had a gun and he'srepublican, when that wasn't
even the case yeah, and then thedad turns him in after going to
the priest and um also, theyturn the reward money down and
is giving it to the charlie kirkfamily.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Um I, I saw it, but okay, I don't know if that was
true.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
But yeah, I fact check I don't know.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
I just saw that, so I saw that too, but then I also
saw something that's saying thatthat was fake, that like it
wasn't a million dollar reward,it was like a hundred thousand
dollars so it was a hundredthousand dollar reward from the
fbi, but apparently somepolitical figures and I again I
don't know this is just facebooknews, right, but of a couple
political figures like offered amore, a bigger reward of a

(41:55):
million dollars and so on, andit grew so there's a lot of
stuff circulating the web that'slike ai generated and it's more
so to get a debate going andclicks and views and comments.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
However, that the director of fbi did say that the
night that he was turned in,the hundred thousand dollars was
released.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
So that's a fact, because the director of the fbi
said that yeah, I also sawsomebody else say that the fbi
has never actually given areward for like anything oh yeah
really yeah, but then there'salways like those top 10 yeah,
yeah, most wanted yeah don'tthey have a reward?
I would think yeah, I don'tknow.
I just saw again.

(42:34):
This is all just like.
This is all fake news, just soyou guys know you're listening.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
We are literally talking.
We have no idea what we'retalking about.
We are not politicalcommentators, or I yeah, I know
anything about this subject atall, so but so before you roast
us too bad in the comments theyhad to offer something because
so many hours passed.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, like he should have been caught that same day
it is crazy that he got away forthat long.
For that long yeah if he wantedto get away like forever after
the first 24 hours, it wouldhave been super easy for him too
yeah he, if he could have gotto mexico or canada, you know
yeah, I mean with the messageswith his transgender boyfriend,

(43:12):
girlfriend, whatever he wastelling him or her hey look, put
the gun here, don't sayanything, blah, blah, blah.
But he was the first one whosaid something and they were
cooperative with the FBI, but hecould have easily just been
away for good One.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
there's so many cameras, so like facial
recognition eventually would getwell, no, no like of that.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
He would have gotten identified, just like his dad
identified him.
However, he could have been sofar away to where it would have
been like a chase to find himright versus his dad saying hey
look, this is where he livesover here, go get him.
And if they didn't offer thatmoney, what his dad, his dad,
probably hey look, this is wherehe lives over here, go get him.
And if they didn't offer thatmoney, what his dad, his dad
probably still would have turnedhim in.
But that's another question.

(43:56):
Like the fbi was, they justdidn't have any leads at that
point.
They were like we have to offerthis money.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Apparently they underestimated how many people
were going to be there.
Um, there was like over 3 000,some apparently.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I think that's the biggest campus in Utah and they
only had like six cops orsomething is from what I heard.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Again, this is speculation, but I just think
it's crazy that that happens.
Business idea for you is Iheard this after this and this
is obviously not cool by anymeans but what about a security
company that has drones and youhave eight people?
I was just going to say dronesthat records the whole time like

(44:37):
four drones up high and it'slike an AI that could just pick
up on guns or something and scanevery rooftop.
You're telling me we can't dothat.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
You can't see a rooftop when everyone's standing
on the ground, as you said thatbefore.
You even said drone.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I was in my head, I was.
I was thinking drone, drone,drone.
Like that you could literallydo it with a fucking dji.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Yeah, like maverick you get a couple of people you
have like eight pilots throwthem up and then, as they, as
one comes down, another goes up,and you just keep rotating them
and you're just like scanningthe area and you're telling me
we don't have ai.
That could be built in thatlike picks up on a gun or like
metal or something that justalerts you, right like hey, look
into this person and they flydown and check like dude.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
You could probably charge like 10 grand for
security like so that kid had tocarry a rifle, jump up onto a
roof of a college campus unseen.
That's fucking crazy, as it islike getting away with getting
up on the roof first of all.
So you get up on the roof witha gun, you have to walk through

(45:38):
campus to get there and thenlike going through that whole.
He said in the text I guess hewas planning it for like a week.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Yeah, um but think about it, man.
We're so all caught up in ourday-to-day and our phones Like
if you go to an event you don'tthink that something like that,
so crazy, is going to happen,that you just suspect this guy
that's walking with a gun.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Or yeah, Even if he gets on the roof, you're like,
oh, maybe that's just thesecurity getting on the roof
Like the one kid.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
There is a video of like oh, this guy's on the roof,
but he's getting kind ofgetting up on there late, like
they thought the security wasjust late and that he was a
sniper for charlie kirk didn'teven know, so like somebody saw
him.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
But like you, you wouldn't expect that I would at
one of those fucking events.
Now, yeah, I mean, that's a lotof.
When you get that many peopleriled up and yeah, um yeah, and
people get radicalized, I don'tknow that that is.
It's super sad.
Um, they, this is another crazything.

(46:40):
Then we can stop talking aboutdeath so much.
But they said that they're,they're the potential to for
death penalties on the table,and it would be by firing squad
wild.
That seems so ironic, medieval.
Oh yeah, I mean ironic.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
I guess too, but that's yeah everybody was saying
to a 200 yard shot is like it'sgot to be a professional dude.
I'm in the military or I was inthe military.
I have a hunting background.
By any means, 200 yards is nota hard shot and I think it's six
.
It was a big yeah, in the neckwhere he hit, I definitely think
he was aiming chest or head.

(47:18):
Um, some people are saying ifhe was aiming chest the where,
because he was so elevated thathe missed a little high.
Um, that's why.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
But like, 200 yards is not a hard shot at all the 30
out six is a big caliber, solike it had some buck to it, so
that he's probably that'sprobably why he missed high,
because most of the time youwould aim for their chest will
you anticipate the the pull whenyou pull the trigger?
If you're a professional.
If you were a professional buthe was, I don't think he was
like no, you, if you're not aprofessional, you anticipate it.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
So you're like you're kind of jerking a little bit
because you're like trying togive with the gun as it shoots.
If you're a professional,you're squeezing it tight,
you're just slow and steady andit keeps you more precision.
But when you are an amateur,you kind of jerk back a little
bit, anticipating the kick.
So that's why a lot of peoplemiss or they, you know the

(48:10):
trigger, they're not smooth itdefinitely makes me want to go
to events a lot less yeahknowing how safe they are not.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yeah, you know that is concerning you think about.
I think about this all the time, like how many places I could
have snuck in a weapon.
Like I accidentally took apocket knife, like a big dewalt
pocket knife to grenada where mybrother, when my brother was
there, like on the plane,through tsa, through customs,

(48:38):
had no idea it was there.
I ended up just leaving itthere because I didn't check a
bag.
But I was like damn, I got afucking knife on this plane.
And then you see somebody getaway with assassinating somebody
on top of a rooftop.
Like we ain't safe anyway no,no, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
And guns is not gonna stop violence, man, I promise
you.
No, it's not gonna stopviolence um.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Anyway, moving on to um, this will actually come out,
so we don't spend too much timeon this.
But chase and I, I might not beback hosting the podcast ever
again after this weekend.
There's a chance that one of usmay die out on the Ironman
course.
I'm going to leave it.

(49:22):
I'm going to leave it all there.
It's the last race, the biggestone of the year.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Who's more excited to ?

Speaker 3 (49:27):
get it over with Probably me.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Yeah, I'd definitely say me I'm ready I think we're
equally ready to get it overwith but I'm more excited to get
it over with yeah, I'mdefinitely ready.
I I was like good until likethree, four weeks ago.
Then, when it got like reallycrazy with long, long weekends
and we're like working out forlike six hours a day, and I

(49:50):
actually told page yesterday Iwas like what am I gonna do?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
after wait.
Are you gonna slow down on likeworking out?

Speaker 1 (49:58):
I mean I'm gonna still like stay in shape, but
I'm not gonna do six hoursaturdays yeah like I might do
two hours dude this.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
How, how nice has this week been this week.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, this taper week has been really nice.
Haven't really done too much,couple short runs and stuff like
that, but yeah, I'm ready.
Man, it's been a fucking brutal, brutal couple months of
training.
I am nervous about the run.
It's my longest run ever.
It's my longest bike ever too.
My longest bike was like 102miles.
Now we're doing 112.

(50:28):
My longest run was like 18, Ithink 17, 18.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Was that in another Ironman?
No, it was just a training runa couple weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
And that's like solo probably Wait.
So you Probably didn't bike andthen run.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
So this is actually like a full Ironman the last one
was 70.3.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
So that was half Half .

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, Okay and so that was half Half, yeah, okay,
and you did the half one too,right, yeah.
So this is the first full one.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
First one for all of us.
I'm going to cry, I know.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I'm going to cry.
So it's me, Ben, Chase and Matt, and we're going to talk about
trying to stick together in someway figure it out after we get
out of the water, because we allswim a little bit different
speeds To um.
But to just have people withyou, people with us, finish it

(51:15):
really, yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
So until somebody craps out, we're gonna try to
stick together and uh, I think,even if, like someone craps out,
like I'm still gonna stick withpeople, like I don't want to, I
don't want to be by myself,dude, the 27 mile run is gonna
be awful, after all 26.2.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
It's not even 27, whatever dude like after a
hundred mile bike.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
I the other day, like last couple weeks ago when we
did our hundred mile bike, likeI was so done with working out
that day and I was just like Ihave to, I'm ready to go.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Did you run at all after that?

Speaker 3 (51:42):
I did, they did.
I had to go show five miles.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Five miles, were you like, dead after that yeah, but
like I did it like as a trainingrun.
So like you, you know you'reworking like iron man effort's
going to be like a little bitdialed back and in everything
like if normally, like a halfiron man, we would be shooting
for like 22 miles an houraverage on the bike, like we're

(52:05):
gonna shoot for 20 and like thelike usually we would run a half
marathon in the eight minutepace, we're gonna shoot for like
10 minute pace, so you kind ofjust dial it back and pray a
whole family's gonna be there,so that's gonna be my family, my
coach, is gonna be there sothat's gonna be cool.
She's gonna be at one of the aidstations.
Um, yeah, we're gonna.

(52:27):
We're gonna get her done.
You should take your boat downit's the well.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I was just looking up on the map.
It's like to get to annapolis.
It's far from me, but I sawannapolis here and the place is
way down here.
How long is it gonna take youto get down there?
Two hours, two hours, yeah.
So definitely probably take melike two hours and 45 minutes if
I took the boat yeah yeah it's,it's a ways.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
It's, it's definitely a ways, but it would.
So it's two hours for me, butI'm all the way up to seven so I
have to come down the seven andthen so if I was in annapolis
it would be like an hour and ahalf gotcha, so it might take me
like two hours and 15 minutesyeah just over two hours I'd say
um, how much does it cost torent a slip there?

Speaker 2 (53:07):
it?

Speaker 1 (53:07):
was cheap.
It was.
I mean it's like 100 bucks anight or something.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
100, yeah, I think it's like you're staying on the
boat, you guys yeah, we'restaying, both of you are just
you two it's four of us, four ofus we're gonna be bro now, so I
think matt has a hotel fridaynight saturday night or friday
night friday night is that wherethe race starts at the hotel,
like right around there?

Speaker 1 (53:27):
it's like the deck, that's like a couple minutes up
the road, gotcha, but we'll havea like a social event or
something tomorrow night.
Um, but yeah, matt has a hotelfriday night, so it'll be me,
matt, ben and chase on the boattomorrow night matt's leaving
friday and then just chase I andben you take your bikes on the
boat uh match driving his truck.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
So we're gonna put the.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
But we have taken the bikes for eagle man.
We took them um on the boat andit's just a pain in the ass.
Like you got to take the bikeapart, you got to like it's it's
a pain we did it for that rockhall.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
It's a pain in the ass.
Do you ride your bike?
Are you gonna ride your bikefrom the hotel to the starting
point, or how are you?
Getting there, well, I guess, amatch truck, yeah, one of the
girls will drive us drop us off.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Um, yeah, I mean it's not too far, but we probably
will not be riding our.
We can't ride our bikes there,actually, because our bikes are
going to be racked the daybefore okay, so everything's got
to be put up the day before.
Um, yeah, it'll be interesting.
It's kind of set up differentthan the half ironmans and the
and the other triathlons thatwe've done.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
It's not.
The finish line isn't in thevillage.
Did you see that?
Yeah, it's different, it's alittle ways away.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, I mean, weather's supposed to be good.
It might get a little hot.
It's supposed to be like 77degrees in the middle of the day
.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
A ton of jellyfish we , matt went and swam the other
day in the magothy and got stungall around his neck and it was
so red he said it burned forlike four hours straight.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, it's gonna be fantastic um, I was just like oh
yeah, thanks for making it evenharder than it already needed
to be, you know because I knowfriday is supposed to be like 86
and sunny, and then saturday itcools down just a hair, but not
much yeah yeah I was hoping itwas going to be like, because
what's going to suck?

Speaker 1 (55:11):
we're going to get out of the water and we're going
to be chilly on the bikebecause it's going to be like 7,
8 am.
It'd be like 60 degrees andthen, right when we start
running is going to be thehottest part it should be
flip-flop.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
You should do the run first that would actually be
about the sleeves, about sleeveswhat?
Sleeves what?

Speaker 3 (55:28):
sleeves the arm sleeves for the bike.
So did I, yeah, so that way youcan just like you, slide them
on and off real quick when youget warm.
And then I bought actually likea head thing for the bike too,
so that way like a, a do-rag,kind of Not a do-rag, but like a
bandana of sorts Things thatpeople ride with a motorcycle.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
But that way because I always get water like sweat
dripping on my glasses and stuff, so hopefully that'll.
Do you guys have like a towelthat?
you can, that you wipe off withat all, or no, yeah, not on the
bike, but yeah, not not, wedon't carry it, but like in
transition, like in a little bag, yeah, um, but yeah it'll be
not from the water but like, Iguess, from the bike, between
the bike and the end of the run,like aren't you like sweating
to where you wouldn't need wantto wipe your face off or
something, or no?

Speaker 3 (56:12):
yeah, that's what I have.
I got a headband for that, sothat way I'll wear it under my
hat, so that way all the sweatjust drips to the back.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, I just I just wear a running hat and that kind
of absorbs everything.
But I'm like by the end of therace, dude, I'm putting getting
ice at the aid stations, puttingit in my hat and I'm just,
you're fully saturated.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Last, the iron man main.
This guy was standing therewith a pitcher of ice and water
and he was like and I was like,yeah, sure, dump it on me.
So I just stood there and justgot ice and it went all down my
jersey all the way, because yourjersey is one piece.
So it was like I had a bunch ofice just sitting on my butt and
it was like uncomfortable I'mlike trying to let it out while
I'm running.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Yeah, crazy.
Anything to cool, anything tocool yourself down out there is
yeah, um, all right.
So the other thing we're goingto release another event soon,
so keep posted.
Oh, one cool thing Our Facebookhas blown up 20,000 subscribers
.
Um, so shout out to Carl forthat one, Cause he's been
putting out him and Eric havebeen putting together out him

(57:10):
and eric have been puttingtogether, patching together a
lot of old content since wehaven't posted it at an episode,
and that thing's just beensteady growing this month.
This past month we did 4.2million views on facebook videos
.
Yeah, they're crushing it, man.
That's pretty crazy.
So that, um, we do have a.
I have to give you guys some,do you?
Do you work?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
out.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
I just started working out I have to get you
some of this pre-workout.
We're going to try it for thisnew uh sponsor, sponsor, yeah,
so real quickly.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I just started working out in june only because
um one of lupe's friendsreached out and said do you guys
want to join this umcompetition on the move app?
I'm sure you guys know aboutthat and like it was like five
teams of four and you competeagainst each other like weekly
what's the move app have youheard of it.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
No, strava, basically probably yeah, you like you
compete.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
So like, let's say there's six teams, you're up
against one team per week.
So let's say I'm against.
You know it's us four on a teamand another four on a team
You're facing them per week.
So you get points for runs,walks, you can do push-ups,
weightlifting, pretty much anyworkout you can think of you get
points for.
You try to compete against theother team.
So like I'm more of acompetitor, I like to compete

(58:17):
against people.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
So that kind of motivated me to actually start
working out they have this othercool thing um that you might be
interested in because you're acompetitor um, it's called iron
man um, you could, can I sign upstill?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
you can still sign up .
You need a bike.
You got a spare bike in yourgarage I do we can print you off
perfect size I have the perfectsize for you, I could probably
do the bike in the run, but youthink you could do the bike in
the run just?
No training?
Yeah, but not the swim dude.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Okay, now we have to do a video we're gonna one day.
We're gonna do.
We'll just simulate an iron,we're just to do.
We'll just simulate an Ironman,we're just going to have you
untrained.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
We'll go bike 112 miles and then we'll run a
marathon together.
That'll be a great video andwe'll see how you do.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I'm ready.
I think that he'll get to mile70, 80 maybe.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
On the bike yeah and then you give up.
I don't know if you make it 70,dude I think less than that.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
If we were riding somewhere flat, maybe like 70.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
So when you guys did the 100 miler, did you go like
50 miles and then startdeclining in miles per hour or
you kept it the same the whole?

Speaker 3 (59:22):
time, same pace, yeah .

Speaker 2 (59:24):
And that was what 20?
.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Actually, at that last one the end was the fastest
because it was the flattest.
So we were what's and what'sthat pace for?

Speaker 1 (59:38):
like the 100 miler 20 , 20 is like the goal for a race
, but that was probably we didlike 17, 18, yeah, because there
was hills and yeah, and we hadmore stoppages, like we were
stopping at red light, stoppingat stops, you know stuff like
that.
Where in the race there will beless stoppages, it'll be more
yeah, we didn't even talk aboutyour accident on your bike oh
yeah, I try to forget about thathonestly, nick.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Thank you, I almost forgot about it until you guys
started talking about the race.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I wish I had a video of that.
Um, how did we honestly I dotoo did we not talk about you
fucking crashing?

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
No so chase buys a brand new 12 around 12 000 bike
and rides it three times maybefour times.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
And we went out on a very nice easy training ride.
Ryan jinxed us.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Let's not forget this part.
Ryan wakes up kind of groggy inthe morning.
Go ahead, you tell it.
Your wife threw you under thebus.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I woke up.
I was a little groggy.
I didn't feel like going outthere and doing the work that we
had to do, so I went.
I think I said something alongthe lines of like, if we just
got hit by a car, we wouldn'thave to he was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Basically, I show up, I had an energy drink, I'm
ready, like I was just ready forthis morning, I don't know why
and ryan was a little sleepypage walks out and she's like
ryan.
I don't I don't mean to be likea debbie downer, but chase just
seems like he's got more energyand he's like, to be honest,
I'm I'm kind of thinking aboutmile one just wrecking so you
can come pick us up and I'm justsaying, I'm not thinking of

(01:01:04):
anything.
I'm just like I hope you don'tjinx yourself.
And, um, I think page said thattoo.
She was like said somethingabout jinxing yourself and and
then we get like and we'realmost back by this point, and
I'm we were, we were gonna.
You were like 40 miles in wewere gonna go like 60 or 70 that
day, but yeah we were close um,close enough not to crash and,

(01:01:26):
uh, I was following ryan, I waspretty close to him and the
worst part is we were goinguphill and there was a spot
right there at the guardrailthat was kind of in the road and
he goes around it and I'm up onmy handlebars, like holding the
top arrow bars, and the wayyou're positioned and I'm trying

(01:01:47):
to make an excuse for myselfhere the way you're positioned
you're kind of like higher up onthe bike, so it's really hard
to turn the handlebars and makeyourself turn.
You have to kind of lean.
It's kind of like riding acrotch racket a little bit.
And so he goes around it.
I see it the last second, goaround it.
And then my weight shifted tocome back because there's cars
flying past us at like 50 milesan hour.
So I'm trying to get back.

(01:02:08):
You know, on the shoulder alittle bit and my weight just
kind of carried me and Icouldn't get my foot out to kick
the guardrail and I'm like,well, I guess I'm going over.
So I hit it.
I didn't hit it like head on, Ihit it kind of on the side and
I just flipped over it.
My feet come out everything andI'm like over the thing and my
bike just did a 360 and, likestayed standing up.

(01:02:30):
It was kind of cool actually,um I learned.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
All I heard was like boom, fuck.
And then I saw him in the woodsand it was just you two.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Yeah, yeah did you have to like was your bike good
or?

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
yeah, the handlebar broke.
Did you have to pay to get itfixed?
It cost me 245 or something fornew aero bars.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
But and you just ordered that online and did it
yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
I had to sit the manufacturer up and they sent me
new ones so then we had to waitand came and picked him up and
I ended up finishing that framealone is six thousand dollars
and it's carbon fiber, so likeonce it's got a crack, it's done
.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yeah, you're screwed all the integrity so your feet
are strapped in, like they'relike clipped in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Yeah so and you can.
I don't have mine super tight,so it's a little bit easier.
Ryan's are probably a littletighter than mine.
Um, but I like just being ableto get out of mine really quick,
like if you have to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Yeah, unfortunately not quick enough apparently you
gotta practice that part, yougotta practice the quickness,
yeah that it was kind of scary,like I thought he would have
been way more hurt than he was,seeing like where he fell.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
There's like a stanchion post, like a metal,
like with pointy edges yeah, Isaw the picture that you posted
yeah so I cut my finger uppretty bad and I was bleeding
pretty good, but because I, like, grabbed the rail and it sliced
my finger because it was justsharp, um yeah, so it's a wild
world we live in, with chase onhis little bicycle I just didn't

(01:03:56):
want to do 20 more miles, to behonest that was a good way to
get out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
It was my idea you're welcome for that one.
Um, yeah, I think that's.
That's all I got today.
I gotta go cook the wife uh,the wife.
What kind of watch you got overthere is that?
Don't worry about it, dude whatkind of watch you?
Got over there.
Is that a don't worry about itdude?
What kind of watch?

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
is that?
I just looked at yours.
I was surprised you're wearingyour rolly over there I don't
think nick saw my new watch yetno, I didn't yeah nice nice
little investment.
Can we debate that?
Is that nice?
It's a, it's a investment.
Is it an investment, nick?
I think nick would probably beon the same page as you,
honestly so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
So this watch, when let's just I forget what year I
looked it up, but like 1990s,this watch was like 2 000 bucks.
You could still and like these,you could still get a 1990s
model right now and it would belike 11 000,000.
So investment, that's a longtime to hold it.

(01:04:52):
Well, that's what people thewatches like the Swiss watches
like they last forever, likethere's no battery?

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Yeah, it's just it's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
You have to get it serviced every seven years by
you know.
Send it into Rolex and theykeep it for a couple weeks and
they tune it or whatever.
But yeah, yeah, you know whatthis watch has started already
so many conversations.
So like I was racing cars thisweekend first day, wore my
garmin watch then realizedbecause after you have something

(01:05:22):
or you see something, yourealize when other people have
it like you start to notice itwhere normally, normally you
probably wouldn't.
And I saw I don't know a dozenpeople wearing rolexes on the
race, like at the racetrack,like doing you know, walking
around the different pits and um, whatever.
So then I wore my rolex thenext day, had like three
conversations that day withpeople like oh, like, I've been

(01:05:45):
explorer, you have a yachtmaster, like you have a
submariner, so it's a goodconversation starter.
I was at a restaurant the othernight and I met like my
sister-in-law's, boyfriend's,brother or sister, whatever, and
first thing he's like oh well,like your watch, like kind of
watch that like I've been tryingto get into collective watches.
So it is a conversation starterand um I am looking at it as an

(01:06:07):
investment yeah, I agree I agree, do you have anything?

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I don't.
Yeah, I'm surprised I don'thave one piece of jewelry.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
This is it for me.
I don't have any other jewelry.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
So I was talking to Kristen's cousin about watches,
because he's a watch guy too,but he also dresses pretty nice,
so do I dude, I got my PEproperty management shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
No, not that you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
It, dude, I got my p property management shirt.
No, not that you don't just seethis yeah, no, you're, you're
to the t dude.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
You look great, um, but like he's like, he wears
like linen his.
His wife dresses him.
But shout out to p homeremodeling for sponsoring this
episode and this outfit here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Yeah um, but so he had.
He's like dude, this is like aguy's piece, right, like if you
have a watch or you havebracelets, that's like all of us
can we can only wear certaincombinations of stuff before
we're all just looking the samebut like if you have a certain
watch, he's like dude, you needto find your watch.
He wears a what's the onebrighton, yeah, um, so that's

(01:07:06):
like his thing and he's like youknow, rolexes are some people's
thing and you just got to findyour watch or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
But it's a it's a crazy world.
Like I don't want to speak toomuch because I don't really know
that much yet about it.
I've been still like learning.
But like just to get like I Itold them what model I wanted at
the at the jewelry store andlike they don't like, just have
them readily available they haveto, like, call around and find,
you know, find them.
So, like this one, they flew infrom chicago.

(01:07:32):
And then the other one I wantedto see a one with a blue face,
and they flew it in fromsomewhere else.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Oh, just for you to see it just for me to try it on
and see it, and then I pickedthe one that I wanted and they
sent back the other one, butit's not like something that's
just like at the store, readilyavailable yeah, ever since you
bought one, I've been watchingthis one guy in new york that
just like moses maybe I'vewatched him on instagram.
One of them he just opened astore or something yeah,

(01:07:57):
probably he's funny yeah I likeit, though, like they, and
that's all they do is just sellthe watches and flip watches.
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
So like I'm I'm looking for, I've been looking
now I've just been like lookingat watches, watches, you know,
but um, some of them, dude, arelike they're the details are
still get so crazy.
So, like the same watch withlike a different um bracelet or
a different like bezel couldchange the price by 20 or
$30,000.

(01:08:25):
Like it's wild.
Like the one um I was lookingat was like the same model as
this, but it was.
It had like a different faceand a different like bezel or
something and it was like 30,$40,000 more.
So it's a wild fucking game andthe prices go up and down.

(01:08:48):
But like if you get in and,like you, you get an allocation
from rolex or from some of thesepeople.
Like you could pretty muchinstantly sell most of them and
make money.
Like if you get a new one likepatex, you can get them for like
100k and they're instantly likesome of them are like three
hundred thousand dollars.
Like just because you, you haveto get like approved to buy it

(01:09:12):
is that it's the text.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
A brand of rolex?
No, it's a brand.
It's a brand of watch yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
So there's like a couple of like big you know name
brand or like watch makers thatum trade higher than retail,
but like they'll sell x amountof them, but they only sell
certain amount so it's limitedto where the value goes up and
they only sell it to specificpeople, and then you have to try
to buy it on the secondarymarket if you want it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
So god, I couldn't imagine getting getting a fake
or something.
Yeah, and then hard to tellbecause you can only get it on
the secondary market.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yeah, that's why it's important you got to get it
like, so they.
They gave me an appraisal withmy like.
I brought it like.
I bought it at a very reputablejeweler, for to begin with,
they're an authorized rolexdealer, so that's a big one.
And then it comes with box andpapers make sure it has the
papers and matches the serialnumber, you got the green box.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Yeah, cool.
Yeah, that's big too, from whatI see this guy just the empty
box is worth 500 bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Yeah, just the empty box, without, without the watch,
um, but yeah, it's a cool.
It's a cool conversationstarter.
Um, I only had my fitness watchand I would go to like a
wedding or go somewhere and youdon't have anything like nice to
wear.
They do say, wearing a watch,like at an interview or at a
meeting, does make a difference.
It gets like something thatpeople look at yeah, I don't

(01:10:32):
know I just have a michaelcourse over here is that what
that is sincehigh school, nice.
Yeah, nick, I'll start sendingyou some.
Okay, I'll take a look at it.
Start sending you some, don'tworry, I'll get you on the game.
And then they have watchmeetups and shit like oh yeah,
yeah, yeah, like there's one inColumbia I think it's in
Columbia where a guy like rentsout a room in a restaurant and

(01:10:56):
people just come in and likethey rock their you know,
different watches and they allmeet and talk about it and touch
each other or whatever.
I don't really know what thefuck they do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Be rich cucks, yeah, just be rich together, I guess,
I don't know.
Um, all right, I think that'sit, guys.
What?
Uh?
So I think if you guys haveoctober 23rd open, that might be
the date for the next event arewe about to just cold announce
this right now without any?

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
I could do the 23rd.
We do have to call the.
We have to call uh, yeah, we'llmake it happen, ross and and
mike griffith, to make sure wecan use the space on that day,
but uh 10 to 10 yeah october23rd, uh, six to nine albers and
associates and hopefully, uh,I'm saying this and I'll get
permission, and if not, I'llannounce on the next one that

(01:11:46):
we're not having the event there.
So probably shouldn't havefucking announced anything,
really.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
But either way, we're walking on that date, october
23rd baby six to nine.
We'll let you know the locationall right, all right, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Until next time, see ya.
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