Dreams, Grief, and Growth: A Spiritual Journey

Can intuitive abilities truly prepare you for life's greatest challenges? Join us on this episode of Everyday Shaman as Ebony Mixon, a natural healer from Detroit, Michigan, takes us on her extraordinary journey from sensing energies as a child to mastering alternative healing arts as an adult. Ebony's story is a testament to the power of spiritual awareness in navigating personal health crises and understanding the complexities of life through dreams and premonitions.

We explore the often turbulent waters of family dynamics and societal acceptance of spiritual gifts. Ebony recounts vivid experiences of premonitions about death, the varied reactions from her family, and the importance of maintaining a personal, non-religious spiritual connection. She candidly discusses encounters with darker energies and how embracing these shadow aspects can lead to profound personal growth. Ebony’s insights on balancing modern medicine with naturopathic approaches provide a holistic perspective on health and wellness, particularly during challenging times like the COVID pandemic.

Ebony's narrative is deeply personal and transformative, covering the emotional terrain of grief and the healing process after the loss of her child. We discuss the resilience needed to overcome such hardships and the interconnectedness of mental, physical, and spiritual health. From interpreting spiritual messages received in dreams to supporting her son's intuitive experiences, Ebony's journey is a compelling guide for anyone seeking to understand and harness their spiritual gifts. Listen in for a powerful exploration of healing, growth, and the delicate balance of embracing one's unique abilities in a judgmental world.

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Episode Transcript

Jeffrey Brunk (00:01):
Hello everyone and welcome back to another
episode of the Everyday Shaman.
I'm Jeffrey Brunk, your host,and today I have with me Ebony
Mixon.
Ebony's an old soul and a purespirit.
She's located in Detroit,michigan, and is the youngest of
six children.
From an early age, ebony knewthat she was meant to help
others in some way.
Ebony is married, two youngchildren, each of whom are very

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aware of themselves being oldsouls and sensitives.
Ebony immersed herself in herspiritual development and
natural healing gifts after shebecame ill and found no relief
from modern medicine.
This caused Ebony to pursueknowledge in natural medicines
as well as alternative healingmodalities.
She has a firm grasp on theworkings of the mind-body-spirit
connection, yet continues tolearn and grow in order to

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provide assistance to others.
Some of the modalities andtools that Ebony is proficient
and familiar with using includeenergy healing in person or via
distance, dream interpretation,lucid dreaming, various methods
of meditation, use of oraclecards, crystals, chakra
alignment, automatic writing,sound therapy and several others

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.
So it's a pleasure to haveEbony join me today.
Ebony, how are you?
It's good to have you here.

Ebony Mixon (01:12):
Hello, I'm doing good.
Glad to be here.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:15):
Yeah, the universe didn't want us to get
together to do this today.
It's really good to have youhere.

Ebony Mixon (01:25):
So I guess, to start give me, tell people a
little bit of an idea about whoyou are, how we met, you know
your life and situation, and howyou came to get into
alternative healing- Well, sinceI was younger, I just kind of
had the knowing of knowing thatthere was more, there was things
that others couldn't see orfeel or sense that I was able to
pick up on, and I spent a lotof time as a child trying to

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find validation in that, and soI didn't know the terminology, I
didn't know the what or the why.
But I will have reassurancewhether it was through dreams
seeing different types ofenergies, and I kind of just
kept it to myself.
And as I got older and I wouldhave more life experiences, I

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was able to use some of thosetools to help me get through
some of those experiences I had,such as loss and grief, health
issues, and so I really becamemore interested in natural
healing and energy healing, I'llsay in high school and when I
just very much first startedreally experiencing pain and

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reproductive issues and gettingsick and the doctors not really
being able to explain to me whyI was feeling the way I was
feeling, and so I began learningabout alternative medicines,
things that I can do that wouldhave a positive impact on my
health.
Some of those ideas andinformation was just kind of, I

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want to say, channeled in a wayI don't know another word for
that, but it's just kind of cameto me in a way that it appeared
to me of how to use that, evenif it was just temporarily, to
help me get through whateverhealth issues I was having or
psychological issues dealingwith grief and loss.
During college I really advancedin that way of learning more

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about herbal medicine,naturopathic medicine.
After I left college I begannaturopathic medical school and
I stayed there for a brief whileand found out that I was
pregnant and when I was pregnantI became high risk so I left
and that was my first pregnancy,which doctors did not think I

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would be able to get pregnant.
While I was at the school Ilearned a great deal of
acupuncture, chinese medicineand herbs.
That was very helpful puncture,chinese medicine and herbs.

Jeffrey Brunk (03:44):
That was very helpful.
So, going back to when you wereyoung and you had just knowing
something was different, was itfrightening for you?

Ebony Mixon (03:57):
No, it wasn't Well.
There were some instances thatwere frightening.
I could see some dark energiesthat weren't I knew they weren't
friendly.
I knew they didn't have goodintentions, and it was scary, in
a way, of not having manypeople to talk to about it.
I talked with one of my sistersabout it a great deal and she
has stories that she rememberedwhen I was little, of things
that I've said or done that Ijust don't remember all too well

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.
So they always thought in myfamily, like I was just
different in ways, and so I saw,initially.
Initially I saw a lot of darkthings.
I saw a lot of things that Iknew were negative, a lot of
temptation.
A lot of those energies wantedme to be a tool for them, and,
it being that it was kind of myfirst encounter with any type of

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energetic beings, I just knewthat if they're trying to
utilize me so much, they want meso bad, it must be for a reason
, and because of that I'm goingto not go down that road, I'm
not going to connect with that,and so that made my relationship
to God much stronger.
I became more interested inpraying, even though I went to

(05:03):
church with my grandmother, butthe church was never a place
that I felt comfortable.
It was never a place that Ifelt fit for me.
I built a personal relationshipwith God and I eventually was
able to start seeing morepositive energies.

Jeffrey Brunk (05:19):
And some that I kind of say are kind of like
neutral, not one or the other,some that I kind of say, are
kind of like neutral, not one orthe other, so you'd say you saw
what I call the divine essences, but also guides, or ancestral
guides, or not even those thatmight be connected to you,
family wise, but others that arethere.

Ebony Mixon (05:37):
Yeah, so like for example, when I was younger, I
would see sometimes like darkshadows.
They'll be circulating the roomor they'll come up close to me
and I can hear them talking tome and they would try to be very
scary or very tempting or tryto get me to want to like, oh
you know, just work with us andyou can get whatever you want,

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type thing.
I also was having dreams ofthings that would happen before
it would happen.
It became very intense during,like my high school years.
I would have dreams beforesomeone would pass away.
I would start having dreamskind of like, around the topic.
There would be like images inmy dreams and at first I would

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try to think maybe it'scoincidental.
But then during my waking hoursof the day I would see these
ravens, maybe I it happened somany times that I knew that it
was real and it was true andthere was no way that I could

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have made it up or had some typeof coincidence with that
experience.
So I just began to trust mydreams and it went from being
just dreams about who's dying toother information that would be
helpful.
I started studying in my dreamsduring college and controlling
my dreams, and then sometimes Iwill have dreams where there's

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different entities.
Maybe it could be someone inour family that maybe I've never
seen before and I've gottenconfirmation with my mom, or
when I was a nurse aide, I wouldgo to different people's houses
, and when I go to their housessometimes I might see someone
that belonged to their family orthat was in that area, like

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someone that I've never seenbefore.
But I can tell that it's not aphysical person.
When they're communicating tome, they're not talking with
their mouth, it's just all likea mental conversation, and it
used to freak me out because Iwould panic and I would get
stuck where I can't move, and soI would think like, oh, this is

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one of those paralyzed dreams,but I would be awake.

Jeffrey Brunk (07:57):
But they didn't threaten you.

Ebony Mixon (07:59):
Yeah, like I thought some of the shadow
things look scary, but then Iwould see someone that just
looks like a person.
I've seen some where there is aperson and they just kind of
change into an animal.
I've seen some that were in mydreams and in person, but they
have an essence of them thatit's just peace and calmness.
So it's not just the seeing butthe feeling, the hearing, and

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there's so many things that I'veencountered but I just don't
have like the terminology ofwhat is it called.
Like you know, I didn't knowwho to talk to.

Jeffrey Brunk (08:31):
You have a sense of clairvoyance, clairaudience,
when you're dreaming, it saidthat's when the veil is thinnest
between the realms.
Personally, I know you havecontacted me when you've had
dreams about me and others, andit's always amazed me that when
you contact me, the things thatare going on right that moment
it's like being on the samewavelength.

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You know from that dream andyou have to share it and like
damn, this is your spot on withwhat's going on, and that's just
.
That's amazing, and it's notjust me.
I know that you've done thatfor other people, that we both
know you've done that.
But you've had dreams andwhat's what to me, is even more
so amazing is that it's almostin real time, which in the other

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realms is not like having awatch on in time.
We know it.
It's an amazing thing that youdo and I tell you I don't know
how to explain it either it'slike when I tell people about
you and with the dreams I cameup with dream therapist, because
I don't know any other way toput it.

Ebony Mixon (09:31):
It's just always been developing and changing.
Since I was younger, like itstarted off a whole lot of
symbolism and things that Ididn't really understand, but
over time it became very clearand specific as to what the
message is.

Jeffrey Brunk (09:46):
How young were you when it started?

Ebony Mixon (09:49):
I was like elementary age is the youngest
experience that I remember andBridget, my sister, she loves to
tell the story of there.
It was a storm, the power wentout and it was me, her and my
brother.
I was probably six years oldand while the power was out,
they put a flashlight on me andthey said, like I was like

(10:10):
reaching out, talking about aball that was bouncing down the
street and I remember that imageclear as day and I thought like
maybe it was like a dream.
She told me that and then thelights came back on and I was
sitting there like what, whyy'all looking at me?
That was like one of the veryfirst things that I kind of
remember and she kind ofremember I didn't think that she

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recognized anything thathappened, because to me I wasn't
aware of what was going on.
And as I got older and Istarted sharing with her, like
oh, I had a dream that this isabout this and then it'll happen
, and I was too young to reallyrealize that some of the things
were actually happening until Igot older.

Jeffrey Brunk (10:52):
When you were six and these things started, had
anything happened that youremember, that you might be
aware of traumatically, thatwould cause you to become so
open?
Or that's one question.
I guess the other would be howdid members of because you have
a fairly large family how didother members of your family
accept that, or what did they dowhen these things started
happening?

Ebony Mixon (11:13):
Well, there's not like a traumatic experience that
I can think of.
One thing that I thought whenmy dreams became really clear
was when I start gettinginformation about someone's
going to die, and I think thatthe relevance of that it was I
was in high school 10th, the endof my 10th grade.
Year onto my senior year, I'vecollected about eight obituaries

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from family members and closefriends, and so I feel like
those dreams were a way toprepare me and give me a better
understanding of loss and grief.
So I really think that thathelped me prepare for my
grandmother's loss and mygrandfather, my uncle, some
friends and people that were myage at the time.

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So I think that it wasimportant that I knew that
information and I was able toprocess it in a way of knowing
that I have support and clarityand for my family members.
We didn't talk about it muchwhen I was younger.
One of my sisters always calledme a witch.
That's okay, I was called awitch doctor, not long ago she,

(12:22):
you know, she, would say I was awitch and oh, you don't pray,
you don't?
You know, you don't believe inGod.
And I'm like.
I've never said that I don'tbelieve in God Just because I
don't pray openly for you to seeit, which I don't see anybody
else doing it.
I pray to myself.
I want to develop a personal.
I've always wanted a personalrelationship with God.

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I didn't feel comfortable goinginto church and talking to other
people about my experiences orlistening to the judgment or
people assuming that it's allnegative.
People get scared about thisspirituality because, yes, you
can encounter some negativeenergies, but I've always been
able to kind of feel and know,based off how I feel in my body,
to know what I'm dealing with.
And that's the same when itcomes to these dreams.

(13:07):
Like that feeling and thatknowing tells me a lot about
what the dreams mean or who isfor.
Sometimes the dreams I can'tsee who's communicating with me,
but I can sense it enough.
That's how I was able toidentify your dad.
I didn't get to see him, but Ican sense that relationship.
And so that's how I knew thatto identify your dad, I didn't
get to see him, but I can sensethat relationship, and so that's
how I knew that it was him.

Jeffrey Brunk (13:29):
Yeah, that's really cool.
Have you found that?
These abilities are they runwithin the family or do they
understand that, talking aboutpraying and having a
relationship with God?
If you have an understandingand an acceptance and a
relationship, authenticrelationship with yourself, you
have that relationship with God,or however you, whatever you
choose to call it.

Ebony Mixon (13:49):
Yeah.

Jeffrey Brunk (13:50):
Do they understand that, or do they?
Do they have any similar or noteven similar?
Do they have gifts of their ownthat they either accept or
don't accept about themselves?

Ebony Mixon (14:01):
Yes, so when I was younger it wasn't spoke of too
much, but once I got older and Iwas able to really like have
conversations with my siblings,with my mom, we don't really
talk too much about it, but I dofeel that one of my brothers

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particularly I think it kind ofscares him a bit.
He shared some things when heexperienced the loss of one of
his close friends, and so he hasthe dreams as well, in a way
that dreams have also servicedme by allowing me closure with a
loved one and communicatingwith them.
And sometimes I think that he'safraid of it and so he just

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kind of shuts it out and blocksit out.
But every now and then he'llslip up and he'll say something,
he'll share something, and I'mlike it's not a coincidence Like
if you just accept it, then Ithink that it will continue to
grow.
But if you fear it and youdon't want it, it's not going to
be forced on you.

Jeffrey Brunk (15:11):
Guys do tend to hold things in and not want to
share them, because of the machomentality, I guess, but at
least he recognizes it.

Ebony Mixon (15:20):
He does, he does, he doesn't talk about it much.
No-transcript.

(15:52):
Definitely gifted, all in theirown way.
They all have we all.
Just in our family we just sayit's our superpowers.
That's how I talk to mychildren about it it's your
superpower, and so, as well asmy mom, my mom is definitely
gifted as well.
We just didn't grow up talkingabout it so much and my mom has
shared that she didn't want tomake it feel like she's putting

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it on us because a lot of peoplelook at it so negatively.

Jeffrey Brunk (16:18):
Negatively how.

Ebony Mixon (16:20):
You know, if it's not the church I went to church
with my grandmother and if it'snot the church, or you know, or
even though they have the HolyGhost, they just think that it's
all evil.
And I had a friend and I lostmy friendship when I shared with
her, amongst other things but Ishared with her, that I have
dreams and it gives meinformation that becomes true.

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She became very upset and she'slike oh, that's like you saying
you're a prophet, and I'm likeI'm not saying, I'm just telling
you what my experience is.
I don't know what you want tolabel it or call it.

Jeffrey Brunk (16:52):
Yeah, that tends to be one of the things as far
as with church, and there are,there are labels that the church
puts on things like prophet,I'll tell people.
Oh well, I had a journey andand I met Yeshua, who is Jesus,
and they're like, oh, so youtalk to Jesus and I'm like, yeah
, and now what you do when yougo to church and pray?

Ebony Mixon (17:13):
Right, you know I'm like it sounds.
It's fine as long as it's inthe Bible.
But you don't think every, youknow, everyday people can do
these sort of things and I'm nottrying to say that I'm any
different.
I just acknowledge that I havethose abilities and accept it
and I'm grateful for it.
If God wants to communicatewith me, the universe, spirit,

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guides, angels, I'm listening.

Jeffrey Brunk (17:36):
That's a very good.
It's a very good way to goabout it and it sounds like from
an early age when you startedseeing the shadow.
It sounds like from an earlyage when you started seeing the
shadow, the darker elements.
Those, of course, do want toget to you to prevent you from
moving forward and being able toaccept those things.
They can instill a fear,exploitable vulnerability, with

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your other siblings, especiallyyour sisters, wondering if they
also have all of these innategifts.
Do they accept them?
Do they know about them?
Do they have fear about them?
Or what do they do?
Do they use them?

Ebony Mixon (18:10):
I believe they do use them.
I think that they're all stilldiscovering a lot about
themselves and what those giftsare and how to use them.
I know Bridget.
She's very, very gifted inconnecting and getting messages
and has been very clear,especially with her tarot cards,
and I think she will be able tohelp a lot of people.

Jeffrey Brunk (18:32):
And she uses them with just like any modality.
A lot of people look at tarotcards as being forms of
divination and I can see withinthe church that's going to be
frowned upon.
But she uses them with positiveintention to find answers,
because you can use them also inthe other way with negative
intention.
So she does it with the properintention.

Ebony Mixon (18:52):
She does.
She really sets up a good,positive space and environment.
I do know some people who feellike they do better with tarot
cards if they're using somethinglike alcohol or something like
that.
You know, that doesn't seem tobe guided in the most positive
way.
Bridget doesn't do anythinglike that.
She cleanses her space, sheputs herself aside and use the

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cards as a tool, but as aservice.

Jeffrey Brunk (19:20):
That's great.

Ebony Mixon (19:21):
And I've used some tools or two.
I've used a pendulum before.
I work with my own tarot andoracle cards and for me, with my
experience, it's just sometimesI get to a point with whatever
tool I have and it doesn't workanymore.

Jeffrey Brunk (19:36):
I learned after my mom died that she, when she
was young, was a dowser.
It's the same principle as apendulum and it's still using
intention, setting the intentionin your mind to.
I guess with dousing, firstthing that comes to mind is
you're trying to find water.
But you can use them to findanything, and for a long time,
and I haven't done it in a while.
But I would use I have dousingrods and I would use them in my

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room after preparing my healingspace to see where the energy
was both before a session andafter a session, and it's just
amazing.
So with pendulum you can do thesame thing.
But it all still comes down tointention.
How often do you see, not justwithin family but within others,
people that have gifts or theyhave instances of having

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bettered themselves?
But and I see this a lot peoplethat just kind of you know
after a month or two will andlife throws stuff at us all the
time.
They just let that stuff gothat they know, but they don't
listen to what they know anymoreand so things start reoccurring
, emotionally or physically orsocially, whatever it may be.

Ebony Mixon (20:41):
Yes, a lot of people just get caught up in the
physical.
It's like an immediate demandfor them, and I feel like, when
it comes to spirituality, it'snot rushed, it's not immediate,
it takes time, it takesdevelopment, it takes challenges
, it takes experiences, and so Ithink some people just get
distracted with what's going onin their physical life, even to

(21:05):
work.

Jeffrey Brunk (21:06):
All the static of the world, yeah.

Ebony Mixon (21:08):
And I get stuck sometimes and have to remind
myself.
You know it's like living intwo worlds, trying to balance
both and trying to get it towhere it fits in to both.
You want to meet your physicalneeds and everything, but I
cherish the gifts that I have.
It's very helpful for me to use.
When it comes to my physicallife, the decisions that I make,

(21:30):
the things that I go through.
I rely heavily on myspirituality to help me get
through and guide me through.

Jeffrey Brunk (21:37):
Even with the shadow things, even the darker
things.
They're not necessarily.
They can be bad, of course, butthey also help you to grow if
you recognize them and acceptthem, especially shadow, because
shadow is we all, we embodythat.
That's just part of the humannature.
But to recognize whether it's afault, or catching yourself

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when you get angry aboutsomething stupid that happens,
you know something that doesn'tmatter, taking control of that
instead of letting that takingcontrol of you.
For you, having recognized thisat such an early age, it's sort
of little steps along the wayand you get to a place where you
think you have it all figuredout and you know how to deal
with it.

(22:18):
And then boom, something,something bigger happens that's
a little more difficult to dealwith.

Ebony Mixon (22:24):
It's been like a life cycle of that where
something will happen or I'llexperience something I still
like, using different tools andthings like.
Eventually it wouldn't work.
When I used to first see likedark things flying around, I
would be paralyzed, I can't move.
I can see my husband, who wasmy boyfriend at the time, would

(22:44):
walk in the room and hit me andbe like what's going on, but I'm
stuck in fear and watchingwhat's going on.
I can't talk.
During that time what worked forme was prayer.
I would start praying and thenthey'll be gone and then it
would happen more and more andmore often and then I got to a
point where prayer no longerworked.
I needed to be more intentionalwith what I was saying and

(23:07):
doing.
Over time these energies werekind of funny.
It wasn't funny at the time,but they would say so many
things to try to get into myhead and be like oh, you don't
know what you're doing, you'restuck making fun of me.
Like you know, we could do thisall day and you don't know what
you're doing.
And then one day I was paralyzed.

(23:29):
But then I realized it was justmy physical body that was
paralyzed.
So I pulled myself out of mybody and the prayers wasn't
working to make them go away andI was like, ok, how do I get
them to go away?
And then the light in me justshined out and they go away.
And I was like, ok, how do Iget them to go away?
And then the light in me justshined out and they went away.

Jeffrey Brunk (23:48):
Now, when it shined out.
How did it do that?
Did it give you ideas of whatto do to repel these things?

Ebony Mixon (23:56):
It was very clear to me that I didn't need to call
anyone.
I didn't need a tool.
I didn't need anything otherthan to realize that I'm the
light and it's the light withinme that will protect me.
And when I realized that,that's when it happened.

Jeffrey Brunk (24:12):
And when you do that and that light is?
It's invisible to people withthe naked eye, but to a shadow
element or an element ofdarkness, it's very visible and
it's very powerful.
How do you approach thesethings?
Now?
I approach the shadow and thedarkness elements with a sense

(24:33):
of approaching it with anacceptance, especially if it's a
shadow element, of hey, we'reall from the same place, there's
light within shadow and there'sdark within shadow, and of an
appreciation of things that,even though it may be a slightly
darker element, an appreciationof what it may have been
contributed or there have beencoming from the same source or

(24:55):
god as as we do, but there'salso a sense of going through
and exerting that authoritywithout becoming confrontational
, and you haven't done that.

Ebony Mixon (25:06):
No, I've learned to just treat it like any other
energy that comes by and wantsto peek around and say hi or
whatever.
I've had a voice say hey, I'myour spirit guide.
Like no, you're not.
So sometimes, you know, I wentfrom being afraid to it's almost
comical in some ways, andsometimes I'm just like, okay,

(25:28):
today's not the day.
I don't feel like playing,because that's what it feels
like a lot of times they'redoing is coming to just play
around and hang out.
I don't know curiosity, butthey'll just kind of pop in and
say something or do somethingstrange and I'm like I want to
go to sleep.
You know I'm doing somethinglike not right now.
There's someone who at theirhouse, there's something there,

(25:52):
and the children would sayforever that there's something
there, there's something there,and they would be so terrified
if I went near the area wherethey felt something there.
And I've also sensed somethingthere and sometimes I'm really
open and I'm like, okay, it doesthrow me off when I'm like
physically awake and doingsomething and they want to

(26:14):
communicate.

Jeffrey Brunk (26:15):
What happens to throw you off?
When you're awake and you sensesomething like that, what do
you do then?

Ebony Mixon (26:20):
I kind of maybe have like a little mini heart
attack like oh, there'ssomething there, and then
sometimes kind of quiet.
First I don't know if they'retrying to see if I'm open to
communication, like I've hadsome where they just stand there
.
If I'm open to it, they'll saywhatever it is that they want to
say.
Or sometimes I'm just like I'drather you come in my dreams,

(26:43):
just come in my dreams, and wecan talk all about it.

Jeffrey Brunk (26:45):
I'm thinking you'd rather you come in my
dreams, just come in my dreams,and we can talk all about it.

Ebony Mixon (26:49):
I'm taking you out and you come in my dreams, buddy
.
So I'm, like you know, duringthe weekend, waking hours of the
day.
I don't know, it may be because, especially if other people are
around, like I just feel likeshocked sometimes, okay, like I
don't know what to do.

Jeffrey Brunk (27:06):
You think it's other people.
When you're around other peoplethat a lot of them are either
attached or chilling out,hanging out with those other
people you know, like a monkeyon the back type thing.
But that's not always the case.
It's just part of who thatperson is.

Ebony Mixon (27:15):
Yeah.

Jeffrey Brunk (27:16):
Something else unseen within that shadow or
darkness, that sort ofaccompanies that person, and it
could come out through anotherperson's words, even their
thoughts, their facialexpressions.
You know, of course, actions.

Ebony Mixon (27:29):
Yeah, when that sort of encounter, more
specifically with my sister whenshe was going through a lot of
things which is how I end upmeeting you is when I recognize
with her she had issues withalcohol, which I think was a
major result of her experiencein grief.

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We both have experienced childloss.
All of my sisters and I haveexperienced child loss.
In that process of her griefshe became very dependent on
alcohol, which I think made hermore vulnerable as a spiritual
person, which I think made hermore vulnerable as a spiritual
person.
She had lived out of state forso long that when she moved back

(28:09):
home and I would spend timewith her, I was just like you
know, I didn't want to be aroundher if she had anything to
drink and most people wouldthink like, oh, that's, you know
anybody who drinks.
But I started to spend moretime around her and that's when
I was able to recognize thatthere's more playing a role in
her life, there's something elsethat's contributing to her

(28:29):
cycle.

Jeffrey Brunk (28:30):
I'm fairly sure I know who you're speaking about
and I know I journeyed for herand, yes, there was a lot that
she was going through that wasattached to her in different
ways.
How is she doing now?

Ebony Mixon (28:43):
She's doing good.
She's doing great.
Since the last time you didthat journey for her, she
completed her rehab and she'sbeen on her self love and
discovering herself and gettingmore into spirituality and
learning more about it.
She's doing really good.

Jeffrey Brunk (29:02):
Excellent, that's great to hear.
I remember I believe it was thenight before I journeyed you
had mentioned that she hadactually jumped out of a car and
you know she was in a darkplace.
Yeah, it's the people that areopen the most, that are most
aware that this darkness andthese things gravitate towards,
because they're the ones, likeyourself, that help, that are

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meant to help rebalance, regainbalance in this world.
But they're the most vulnerable, and even the stronger ones
still have vulnerabilities andto be aware of that, I've often
said, man, it would be so mucheasier to just be the person I
used to be, which God knows, Idon't want to be that person
anymore, but it seemed so muchmore carefree, because living

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this way, being aware, is noteasy, and especially not easy
when you start to recognizethings about yourself that
aren't that great, but those arestill parts of who we are.

Ebony Mixon (29:57):
So, like after I had my first son, I got so
caught up in being a mom, fellin love with motherhood and I
just dedicated all my time andenergy to being a mom, focusing
on my goals, focusing on myphysical aspects, and not really
paying attention as much tothings spiritually.
So I started to have doubts andthink, like you know, maybe

(30:20):
there's a reason all of thisstuff was happening, but I don't
really need to focus on itright now.
There's not much happening forme spiritually and even though
it was, I kind of was feelingoverwhelmed and a part of me
just didn't want to do it.
I was having dreams aboutpeople who I haven't talked to
in years, that I didn't want tobe friends with anymore, but

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they were going throughsomething and I couldn't stop
dreaming about their situationuntil I reach out to them, I
meet with them and I share withthem the message.
And when I have those dreams, alot of times I wake up and I'm
exhausted.
I don't feel like I've sleptand for being people that I
didn't really care to associatewith anymore, I kind of didn't

(31:06):
want to do it, but I had anassignment and that was the best
way for me to be able to getthrough that.

Jeffrey Brunk (31:13):
It sounds a lot like a shamanic journey, because
after a journey I'm normallywiped out, depending on the
journey and the intensity, butit will wipe you out.
So to be asleep and wake up andfeel that way, it sounds very
similar.

Ebony Mixon (31:28):
Yes, it is very tiresome, but when I go ahead
and I get the message across,because otherwise the dream will
keep coming it might change alittle bit, it might be
different, but those spirits orenergies will keep coming to me
until I do that.
When I had the dream about yourdad, I was like I woke up.

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I was like, okay, I'll remember, I'll mention it.
I went back to sleep.
I had a completely differentdream, but every now and then it
was almost as if he was tappingmy shoulder to make sure that I
remember what he said.

Jeffrey Brunk (32:05):
That's good.

Ebony Mixon (32:06):
I got up and I just wrote everything out on my
phone and then after that hewasn't in none of my dreams.
I had another dream where itwas this Italian lady.
She didn't like my husband hada friend who was staying at this
, at her house apparently, andshe didn't like it.
She didn't know what he wasdoing to her house and she

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showed up and she was going offabout it.
I finally was able to, like,get a conversation.
She shared her story with me.
She showed me the house when shefirst got the house and she
showed me how she died and herfuneral and how her service was
in the house.
She really cherished her houseand she didn't like what this

(32:50):
guy was doing to the house andshe didn't understand why he was
even there when I wascommunicating with her and I'm
like, okay, like I will tellthem, I will communicate
whatever she wants, but when Idon't take the time, like to
wake up and write it down, whatshe did was she just kept
showing up in all my otherdreams and she would just stand

(33:11):
to the side of whatever dream Iwas having.
She would just be standingthere.
And so it was like I've had alot of those spirits who they're
very firm about what theirmessage is.
I've had someone who came andwanted me to give a message to
their girlfriend and I did notfeel comfortable reaching out to

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this person and it just seemedweird.
And they were high schoolsweethearts and I'm like I never
talked to this person, like Idon't want to have to find them.
And what did the spirit do cameback in my dream, was like
here's how you find them.
They have a business here.
This is the name of thebusiness.
You go to the store.
I put it off a little bitlonger because I'm like I really

(33:56):
don't feel comfortable likegoing to someone that almost
feels like a stranger andtelling them this type of
information.
I was afraid of what peoplewould think, what she would
think, yeah, yeah.

Jeffrey Brunk (34:08):
That's that is difficult.
That took a long time for me toovercome that, especially when
it this this for you as astranger for me.
It was more difficult withtelling people that are family
or friends just saying, hey, I'mthe messenger, I don't shoot
the messenger.
It sounds like too, with sayinggetting that tap or the dreams

(34:28):
happening and and over againunless you take action.
That's very much akin to thewhole.
Until you take that action,you're not left alone,
especially from the divine onesare going to say, hey, if it's
meant to help someone else, whenyou share these things with

(34:50):
people like you do, you may havethat apprehension about talking
to them and telling them thesethings, but you really don't
know how it may affect them inthat moment, or maybe not even
in that moment, say a day or twoor even longer down the line,
something goes bing, the lightcomes on and then they take
action upon it and how that mayripple down and affect other

(35:11):
people in a positive way.
But it is hard to do that withanyone.
Now I have to ask with yourkids when did you first notice?
Even at a young age?
He was like 60, as far as hiswisdom goes, as far as his
wisdom goes.

Ebony Mixon (35:26):
I do want to add that spirit does reassure.
When I go and do that, theyprovide a reassurance to that
person.
So, like with you, it was thesong for your dad, and with the
other guy it was the cabinetslamming in the house.
So most people, after I sharesomething with them, they will
get something that reassuresthem that I'm not a crazy person

(35:49):
.
So that helps a lot For my son.
I've always made it a point tojust involve him because of what
my experience is.
I didn't want him to feelconfused or alone or that he
couldn't speak with anyone abouthis experiences, and so when he

(36:09):
will say he sees something orhe has dreams about something, I
make sure to pay closeattention to him when he's
speaking about these things, toprovide him the support that I
feel like I didn't really have,and so I spent a lot of time
trying to figure things out onmy own.
So I remember he was three anda half years old when I lost his

(36:32):
baby brother, when we came homefrom the hospital and he was
getting ready to go to bed andhe said he saw his brother lie
out the window, and he remembersit to this day and he's also
had dreams that he shared and wewill usually look up the dream.
I will show him, like, how tokind of think about his dreams

(36:56):
in a way of like, okay, what didyou feel during your dream?
You think it means and use hisintuition in addition to looking
up whatever animal or lookingat whatever symbolism and colors
is interesting because rightnow he's kind of going through
where he knows the message thatwas given to him but he doesn't

(37:20):
necessarily want to follow itand the message just keeps
coming in different ways.
And it's kind of funny to kindof watch him go through this
because you know, we just lethim make his own decisions, like
we teach him what we want himto know so that he can be
informed, and then he has tomake the decision on his own.

(37:41):
So when he shared with me, thedream is basically meaning that
he is associated with somepeople that don't have the best
intentions for him andimmediately there's two people
that comes to mind for him andusually when he encounters these
people his hands dry out andget cracked and bleeding.

(38:02):
We've tried all kinds ofmoisturizers, we've tried all
types of stuff.
We've been to the dermatologistthe only time his hands have
really, really cleared up whenyou did that journey for him,
and that's when we began tolearn like that's a way of that
energy kind of manifesting inthey'll start bleeding or he'll
get a cut or something.
And so he had the dream.

(38:32):
We looked it up, he knew whatit meant, and then one of those
people just kept reaching out tohim and contacting him, wanted
to spend time, and he didn'twant to say no.

Jeffrey Brunk (38:43):
And then the dream shows up in another way
Same meeting shows up in anotherway same meeting and he
understand the good selfishnessaspect for himself of distancing
yourself from.
It's a person or a situationthat say an energy vampire type
thing.
I'll use that analogy.
Does he understand that, thatit's best for him?

Ebony Mixon (39:02):
He understands, I think at a more basic level.
Like he doesn't understandfully how to practice, he knows,
like when he was going to thedermatologist, like he was like
I don't want to sound crazy, butI know when I interact with
these people is when my handsget worse, and so he has a good
understanding.
We do try to teach him methodsand ways to protect himself and

(39:24):
set boundaries, but it's alsogoing to be something that over
time, he's going to develop Likehe's aware and he knows.
But it's also going to besomething that over time, he's
going to develop he's aware andhe knows.
But it's almost like one ofthose easier said than done
things for him and so he's stilllearning and figuring out the
best way that he can do that toprotect himself.
But he's well aware of what'shappening and why it's happening

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.

Jeffrey Brunk (39:48):
That's great.

Ebony Mixon (39:48):
What it means, but I think he just don't understand
yet that it's not selfish, it'sjust for your own protection.

Jeffrey Brunk (39:56):
Yeah, I named it good selfishness, because
selfishness, you know it has anegative connotation, but when
it's selfishness for yourselfand your own wellbeing, it's not
an intentional self.
You know I'm not sharing thisor whatever.
It's taking yourself out, nomatter what the other people
think, in order to keep yourselfin a good place.

(40:16):
Because when he gets older, aswe know, if you don't take care
of yourself and take yourselfout at times from those
situations and you let thingscontinue to manifest physically,
emotionally, however they maybe, being around people, you
don't take yourself out of thosesituations and you let things
continue to manifest physically,emotionally, however they may
be.
You know being around people.
You don't take yourself out ofthose situations.
You can't help anyone else.

Ebony Mixon (40:35):
Yes.

Jeffrey Brunk (40:37):
I strongly believe he is one that is meant
to help people.

Ebony Mixon (40:41):
I agree and he definitely feels the same.

Jeffrey Brunk (40:44):
One thing you mentioned and it's so important
is researching the dreams,because dreams, to me, are the
way I look at it is you have totake everything into context If
there's so many things that canbe in a dream.
Many, many people are intodream work and dream journaling,
and how do you go about theprocess of researching?

(41:07):
I know intuition is a big partof it looking at the whole
picture but do you researchdifferent elements within those
dreams or do you do that withhim?

Ebony Mixon (41:17):
Yes, so sometimes there will be animals, and so we
will look up the meaning of thetype of animal and what the
animal is doing in the dream.

Jeffrey Brunk (41:28):
Both the good and the bad aspects of the animal,
because they always have twosides.

Ebony Mixon (41:33):
We take different parts of the dream, different
pieces of the dream.
So it could be an animal, itcould be the environment that
we're in if we're inside a house, if you're outside, if you're
near the water, the environment,the different people that you
have in the dream, the tone ofthe dream, the way that you felt
during the dream.

(41:53):
If there's other elements inthe dream, if it's fire, this
water, if it's storming, we takeall of those things and
research it and put it togetherand that will kind of, when you
put it, when you piece ittogether like a puzzle, like
that's when you can figure outwhat it actually means.

(42:15):
That, along with the intuition,the feeling if you heard direct
messages, usually I can senseas well as he can the tone
enough to give us like ourfoundation with all the other
pieces.

Jeffrey Brunk (42:32):
It's great that you research everything, because
so many will just dive into Idon't know, antiflowscom or
whatever and look at a dream andwhat it may mean.
But there'll be elements withinthe dream that may represent
death and that will justfrighten someone.
But it may not be physicaldeath.
It may be death of a habit or adeath of a way of living or a

(42:55):
change that's coming.
So to look at those things andnot just gravitate.
If it's a good meaning, becausepeople want to hear the good
stuff, they want it to be a goodmeaning, but to also accept the
meanings that may not be allthat pleasant to hear but it's
something that's mayberepresents an obstacle that has
to be overcome.
That's not necessarily easy andit sounds like he's able to

(43:18):
recognize that when those typethings come up.
How do you and how does he lookat those, those negative
aspects, and accept them forwhat they are through intuition,
and overcome them and moveforward with it?

Ebony Mixon (43:33):
Well, I think both of us we've had dreams, give us
messages and we clearly knowwhat it's saying.
But for whatever reason duringthe time, you still end up doing
what it is that you're told notto do, because you don't see
any other reason not to otherthan the dream and the message.
And unfortunately, sometimesthat's just not enough.

(43:54):
And so you go through it andwhen you kind of see at the end
result that it wasn't a goodexperience or it could have been
prevented if you just listenedto what you were told, you kind
of learn it the hard way untilyou get to the point where you
can really trust and just followblindly, in a way.

Jeffrey Brunk (44:13):
But doing that is also better than doing nothing.

Ebony Mixon (44:15):
Yeah.

Jeffrey Brunk (44:16):
Because sometimes you have to learn the hard way.
Sometimes this is the best wayis to learn the hard way in
order to really get ahold ofgrass, something, and have it,
have it sink in.
You know, have to fall beforeyou walk, have to fall before
you walk.
You have to crawl before youwalk, and then you fall and you
get up and you can walk somemore.
But, yeah, that's not a badthing.
But way too many people outthere that would just fall and

(44:38):
say I'm like falling off a bikeor falling off a horse, I'm not
riding a horse again, I'm notriding a bike again.
Now, talking about protectingyourself, what methods do you
use?
Because I get this question alot.
I need to find out how toprotect myself from this and
that.
What type of things do you do?

Ebony Mixon (44:56):
It's hard to technically protect yourself.

Jeffrey Brunk (44:59):
Say you know you're going to a large
gathering and you don't knowwho's going to be there.
There's inevitably going to besomeone there that's had a bad
day, or they're just negative bynature that's a good band name
negative by nature To make surethat no matter who you run into
or what situation you might comeinto, it's not going to affect

(45:23):
you, because there are ways todo that and a lot of it is
intuitional and, I guess,recognizing it in your mind.
But prior to going or being ina situation, or even within your
own home or within a familymember's home or someone you
know, what type of things wouldyou do to protect yourself?

Ebony Mixon (45:42):
You know.

Jeffrey Brunk (45:42):
I'll use example of smudging.
Personally, I carry a medicinebag that I've made or mochi
marbles in my pockets forbalance, you know, and grounding
.
What are the things that youwould do?

Ebony Mixon (45:55):
yes, one of the main things that I do is
visualization meditation, wherewe put a white bubble around
ourselves.
Usually I will start with justmyself.
I put a bubble around myself.
I remove anything that doesn'tbelong or that I don't want in
my bubble.
I make my bubble go repellent,so anything that tries to come

(46:19):
my way or try to come in itbounces back in the opposite
direction, and then I fill mybubble with light and sometimes
there will be different colorsand I don't think about what
colors I'm going to put into it.
It's just the process ofcreating a protective barrier,

(46:39):
removing the parts that I don'twant in there and everything
that I need to support andsecure my bubble.
What I'll do is I will makesure sometimes I can do it
further than myself.
I do it for myself, I do it formy husband and each child and
do the same process.
Sometimes I'll do it for ourwhole apartment.
Sometimes I can do it for otherpeople in their homes.
Some days I'm like I can't doit.

(46:59):
That far I can't reach that far.

Jeffrey Brunk (47:02):
When I journey for someone yeah, I do that for
our land, our home.
I've even done it for a car mywife, the person I'm journeying
for, the people that live withher or them, I put a protection
around everyone and the colors.
I find it interesting.
You say that because if they'redifferent colors and they're

(47:23):
not always the same the colorsthat are surrounding you are
colors that are meant for thatsituation.
If you see them in differentways, in different situations,
they're there.
Those colors are thererepresenting the attributes,
with the things that you needfor that situation or for being
around that particular person,or whatever it is.

Ebony Mixon (47:41):
Yeah, I just make sure that throughout the day, I
remind myself that it's there, Ijust see it there, I keep it
there.
If it starts to feel weak andinvulnerable, I just make sure
that I reset and reestablish it,and so I do teach my son that,
and so he uses that as well.
He's going to be interactingwith people or going to

(48:02):
different places before he go tobed.
That's been like one of thegreatest tools that I've used,
and I didn't really learn itfrom anywhere.
I just one day laid down tomeditate and thought you know,
let me just heal myself, let meprotect myself, because I know
I'm about to go into a situationthat I don't want to be in.

(48:23):
So a lot of the things thatI've done, it just came.

Jeffrey Brunk (48:27):
It's not taught You're a highly sensitive person
and highly sensitive people aremore apt to be affected by
these negative energies andpeople.
When I say negative energies, Idon't necessarily mean ghosts,
but these negative energies orshadows or things that are
attached to other people orwithin other situations.
You can allow them to get toyou.

(48:47):
There's always a choice.
You can choose to either engagein that and get yourself riled
up and put yourself in thatlower place, that lower
vibration, or choose not to.
Everyone should be doing that.
Not everyone does, becauseeveryone wants their opinion
heard.
Everyone has one.
But to do that, you also haveto be in a place where, even if
you're not highly sensitive, tobe able to just shut your mind

(49:09):
down long enough to recognizethese things.
Now, if you're in one of thesesituations or around a group of
people, do you do something?
Is there something you doafterwards, like after you get
home, to also protect yourselfor to clear yourself of these
things?

Ebony Mixon (49:24):
Yes, I find that when certain situations affect
my emotions and I allow thereactions, that's when I know
that, ok, it's time for me tosage, it's time for me to clear
whatever this is that'slingering around.
Usually, when we come home,we'll sage our apartment, we'll
sage ourselves and just kind ofrelease and throw everything out

(49:46):
to the trees.

Jeffrey Brunk (49:47):
And again, that's all done with intention, isn't
it?

Ebony Mixon (49:50):
Yes, all with intention.
Focused intention and also justkind of like setting up the
barriers.
I'm very intentional about howI do it.
It's almost like a routine.
The doorway start there and Ikind of work myself in a clock
to each room.
Of course the windows are open.
I got whatever air condition orheat or something blowing up

(50:13):
high.
I got the fans going to justget everything circulating.

Jeffrey Brunk (50:17):
Do you open a window?

Ebony Mixon (50:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, we open the windows and um because
people need to know.

Jeffrey Brunk (50:24):
There is a process to this.
It's not just lighting a smudgestick and going around, you
know, without intention first,but there is a process to this.
It's not just lighting a smudgestick and going around, you
know, without intention first,but there is a process.
Like you mentioned, goingaround clockwise and I do this a
lot and I've even done it afterjourneys I'll take a shower.
Water is so cleansing and justand it's not just a physical
body shower just to clean, it'sto wash away that negativity,

(50:47):
but also with intentionintention for me it's baths.

Ebony Mixon (50:50):
I take baths sometimes when I do my sage and
I sage in the tub and I justlike build up a nice big pool of
smoke in the tub.
Not too long afterwards usuallyI'll go or I'll run my bath
water and I'll take some sageand kind of smudge the area in
the bathroom.
And when I was really sick andhaving a hard time finding

(51:14):
relief is when I really got moreinto doing the baths.
I would take my bath with thestones.
Sometimes I will put herbsthere's like herbs for, like
inflammation.
Sometimes I'll do sage,Sometimes I'll do rose petals in
a way of wit intention.
The rose petals for me wasself-love and self-healing and

(51:37):
that kind of positiveselfishness of giving to myself.
Like each thing had a differentrepresentation and I will have
sometimes not always the sametype of stones that I'll set up
by the bathtub.
I'll listen to eithermeditation or certain healing
frequencies, have a candle and Iwould get so much information.

Jeffrey Brunk (52:03):
Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that about
frequencies and vibrations.
But the healing effect and it'sbeen scientifically proven that
there's even medical proceduresnow that use frequencies to
break up tumors it is veryhealing and there are different
frequencies for differentailments, even emotional
ailments and psychologicalailments.

(52:24):
You had suffered from lupuspretty badly.
Is this when you were doingthat?

Ebony Mixon (52:35):
Yes, yes, that's when I was going through that.
I had a lot of symptoms that Icouldn't get under control, and
it was also during COVID, so itwas very hard to get in and see
a doctor.
If it wasn't COVID, I probablywould have spent a lot of time
in the ER, but I had to figureit out on my own and the
information that I was getting.
It was amazing, becausesometimes I would just wake up
at three o'clock in the morningand I can't go to sleep, and I

(52:56):
realized that it's not that Ican't sleep.
There's information for me,there's a message for me, and
when I would get up I would justfollow what my intuition is
saying, whether it's to go takea bath, go sit down in the quiet
and drink some tea or just sitthere for a moment and quiet my
mind.
I remember one time like Icouldn't go to the bathroom for

(53:18):
probably a couple weeks and mystomach was swelling up.
I was on a vegan diet the wholetime during COVID, because when
I said I was trying everything,I was trying everything, so I
was mostly raw food.
I had plenty of time to cook,so I was eating really healthy,
but I still was struggling and Iwoke up one day it's like three
o'clock in the morning, alwaysaround the same time and I went

(53:40):
into the kitchen pulling out allmy herbs and I'm like, okay,
I've done this before.
Like is it going to work threeo'clock in the morning?
I don't know.
But I did something differentthat day.
I can't remember and I wish Iwould have wrote it down because
I've mixed things and didthings differently.
There was some herbs that I use,some that I didn't.
I just followed what I wasbeing told Do this, do this

(54:03):
amount, do this and that I didit.
I went and I took my bath andfinally was able to go to the
bathroom and I start feeling somuch better.
And that to me proved to melike, okay, I need to just
listen when I'm waking up, likethat, I need to listen and get
the information and take action.
The more I did that, the more Iwas able to start finding

(54:25):
relief for myself.
I didn't just start.
I don't want to make it seemlike I just grabbed some herbs
and throw them in there.
Having an autoimmune disorder,I know enough that you can't
just take anything.
You can't take any type ofherbs, even though it's natural
when you have an autoimmunedisorder, you are supposed to
use that support your immunesystem but doesn't stimulate

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your immune system.
So all the herbs and thingsthat we have, I've researched,
I've learned, I've read themedical articles for specific
herbs for myself, specific onesfor my husband and his ailments,
and as well as my children.

Jeffrey Brunk (55:00):
And you do have a background in nursing, so you
understand that.

Ebony Mixon (55:04):
Yes.
So don't just go grabbing stuffoff the shelves and mixing it
all up.

Jeffrey Brunk (55:09):
It's a good point , because so many people want to
have one, that quick fix, butjust try to force things and do
it themselves without doing thelistening, because answers are
there if we just listen.
But when we force them or tryto make things happen on our own
, it will either prolong thehealing or the betterment or it
will just stifle it.

Ebony Mixon (55:30):
I feel like there are some things you have to
address physically and thenthere are some things you have
to address more spiritually.
It is a balance of both andsometimes you need to do both,
and for what I was going throughwas a mental and physical need
to detox and change a lot ofthings.

Jeffrey Brunk (55:49):
There should be a better balance.
There is a combination ofmodern medicine and traditional
or ancient medicine, and theyshould work together.
Unfortunately, most not all,but most of the modern medical
community look at traditional beit homeopathic or holistic type
medicines or energy medicine assomething that is more of a

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pseudoscience than it is a realthing, even though these things
have been practiced forthousands of years prior to
modern medicine's advancements.
Having been in the medicalfield, have you said anything or
did you do anything or speakwith anyone about this at any
point?

Ebony Mixon (56:27):
Yes, I do combine both on an as-needed basis.
So I'm not completely againstmedicine when needed, but I
wouldn't recommend it as alifestyle.
If you need it for a quick fix,I'm all for it Very helpful to
have especially I've had twoC-sections.
You know, and imagine doingthat without medicine.

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But when it comes to thelifestyle, when I pick my
doctors, I like to make surethat they understand that I'm
willing to do the work and makethe lifestyle changes for
whatever issues I have.

Jeffrey Brunk (57:01):
Thank you for saying that.
Thank you for saying thatbecause I know people personally
that they're so pro-doctor, sopro-take this pill and this, but
then not do anything forthemselves, and people have to
take it upon themselves.
Unless you're getting a shot ofpenicillin, you know which is
needed.
I mean, there are things thatare definitely advantageous, but

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unless you're doing things tohelp yourself physically and
emotionally, even spiritually,then anything you're doing, it's
either going to be prolonged oryou're not going to see results
.
And then you start goingdownhill emotionally again
because I'm not getting betteror this hurts worse.
And what are you doing for it?

Ebony Mixon (57:39):
Nothing.
You have to be realistic withyourself, like I know some
people who are like oh, I wantto go to the naturopathic doctor
, I want to do everythingnatural, I want to do all of
this stuff.
That's great.
But be realistic.
Can you afford to consistentlygo to the naturopathic doctor,
or do you need to use what yourinsurance will be, a network

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with which may be an MD or a DO,but find someone who can
support your want and desires tomake the changes and be more
natural?
I get some people who say theywant to do the natural thing and
they go, they see the doctor,they understand what they're
supposed to do and then theydon't do it, they don't follow
it, they don't commit to it.

(58:21):
So at that point you're doingnothing.

Jeffrey Brunk (58:24):
Yeah, and I've had the same thing happen with
people that I work with thatthey want the help and they may
stick with changes that they'remaking for a while or they may
not do anything, and I don'tunderstand that.
Of course there are people outthere that just like to have the
attention.
But, yeah, I agree with whatyou're saying, but there's so

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many that won't do the thingsthat they and I don't understand
why they don't do the thingsthat they know is going to be
advantageous for them to do tobecome well, either physically
or otherwise.
But it is easy to take a pillbecause you're not really
addressing the underlying issues.

Ebony Mixon (59:00):
And sometimes you could take a pill and it doesn't
work.
Or you can do all those thingsand it doesn't work.
And so a lot of times, when Iknow I've done the things, I've
addressed things physically, ithas to be something
energetically that I'm missing,that I'm not aware of, and
that's when I'm like OK, I needto take another approach.

(59:20):
It's a balance you have toaddress.

Jeffrey Brunk (59:23):
I want to ask since the time you and I know
it's a sensitive subject, butwhen you lost a child, that's a
huge trauma.
Did your gifts, did theyamplify after that?

Ebony Mixon (59:36):
When I lost my son.
I'll give a brief story of whathappened.
So my first son was premature.
He was born emergency C-section.
They found out that the cordwas having poor circulation
which slowed his growth andultimately could stop his heart.
So we had him emergencyC-section.
He was premature.

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He caught up on the growthchart and doing well.
And then I got pregnant againand this time you know
everyone's like oh, you got tothink positive, do everything
the right way.
I had a doula, a midwife, andwas ready to try to do things
the natural way.
A part of me still knew thatsomething wasn't right.

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But I went all the way throughmy pregnancy.
I went into labor and then,when I was in labor and I
arrived at the hospital, thenurses didn't realize I can read
the ultrasounds, and so I sawthat his heart had stopped and
that he was gone, and so Idelivered him a vaginal birth

(01:00:41):
and when it happened I reallyfelt like I was not in my
physical body.
I was not bound to earth.
I was somewhere above my body,but I couldn't get my feet
grounded to the earth.
It was so intense of feelinglike I'm here but I'm not here.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:01:04):
Was it part of the trauma at that moment when
it happened, or was that alittle later?

Ebony Mixon (01:01:10):
That feeling.
It remained throughout for somemonths.
I think the trauma gave mephysical way that manifested,
but in a spiritual way.
I realized that I could seethree different aspects of

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myself my physical body, mymental and emotional body and my
spiritual body.
I realized that because allthree of those were unaligned,
they were all separate.
I do feel like the traumaitself wiped me out, in a way of
taking my focus off ofeverything else.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:01:57):
It sort of broke you in a way.

Ebony Mixon (01:01:59):
It definitely broke me.
It broke me down to I don'teven really know how to put it
into words.
It was so profound that Icouldn't explain it to anybody.
I had this emptiness and I hadmy three and a half year old and
my husband was very involvedand we all stayed involved in

(01:02:21):
each other's grief and made surethat we got through it together
.
But when I looked at myself inthe mirror, the way that I felt,
it was like all three of themhad something to say about the
other.
As strangely as it sounds, it'slike my physical body.
I looked at my physical body asincapable, as, like, my body

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betrayed me, not allowing me tobring a healthy baby.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:02:48):
Yet you did again .

Ebony Mixon (01:02:50):
Which I did, again with a lot of advocating, a lot
of knowledge and a whole notherprobably a whole podcast worth
of a journey of what I went toget my rainbow baby, as we call
them.
They're called rainbow babieswhen you have a baby after you
experience a loss.
During that time I felt like anempty vessel where anything

(01:03:12):
could come and attach.
And, as I mentioned before,with my sister and she
experienced grief and thestruggle she was having with
alcoholism and how I felt likeshe had something else playing a
toll on her After my loss, whenI saw her and I hugged her.
I'm not a hugger, I don't liketo really be hugged, I'm more of

(01:03:35):
a one-arm pat on the back typehugger.
But I saw her and I hugged herand I can feel her grief.
I feel like I can.
I could sense so many things tothe point where I had to tell
some people like I can't beavailable for you, I can't have

(01:03:55):
a conversation about anything, Ican't do anything like.
I'm completely open and I'mtrying to help myself.
I have to figure out what it isthat I'm, what I'm going
through and how to get throughit.
But not too long after I huggedmy sister because I initially,
when I experienced the loss, Iwanted to.
I knew I wanted to go throughthe grief.

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I didn't want to tiptoe aroundit, I didn't want to use
anything to try to make it feelbetter than what it was, I
wanted to just go through it.
After I hugged her, maybe somedays later, I start having
really bad negative thoughts.
Thoughts about hurting myself,thoughts about hurting my family

(01:04:38):
just kind of random negativethoughts.
Family just kind of randomnegative thoughts.
And I knew I'm like this is notme, this is not how I deal with
challenges, this is not how Ideal with things in life.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:04:52):
Now, how long did that go on?
How, how long did that processtake?
And then, what kind of got youto the place where I know grief
can take a long time to overcome?
When did you realize that youhad reached that spot?

Ebony Mixon (01:05:06):
I realized in that darkness, the source of that
darkness, when I hugged mysister and me, being open,
allowing that energy to attachto me, and that gave me a better
understanding of what I wasdealing with and how I was
feeling, with me being feelinglike I'm three different parts

(01:05:26):
of myself.
There's still times where mycup of grief just gets over full
and I have to let it out, Ihave to dump it out.
But I also realize inexperiences I'm grieving
memories that I don't have.
When I grieved my grandparentsand things, I grieved the times
we had.
I had memories to look on, Ihad pictures, but when I lost my

(01:05:50):
son, I felt like I'm alwaysgoing to be a grieving, bereaved
mother because I didn't havethe life or the time with him
have the life or the time withhim.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:06:06):
But I find it remarkable you know, true
testament to who you are thatyou took that grief, you took
that trauma and you channeled itinto helping other women that
had gone through similarsituations to help them in their
healing, which I'm sure helpedyou in your healing.

Ebony Mixon (01:06:22):
We'll say the first year was completely a blur.
I barely remember specificdetails of that year.
I think that whole year I wasjust trying to get through.
So I focused on myself.
I didn't engage with a lot ofpeople because I really just
needed to heal myself, I neededto find meaning and

(01:06:44):
understanding and I really wasupset in a spiritual aspect
because I felt like before Iwould have dreams and messages
before somebody died but Icouldn't get it for my own child
.
But in all reality, when Ireally think about some of the
things, there were subtle signsand messages, you know, with the

(01:07:05):
birds, with certain dreams whenI was trying to do like a labor
meditation, I would havenightmares.
So there were some things, butI wasn't open to listening to
those things.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:07:21):
Not something you would have expected.
Yeah, something to that extent.

Ebony Mixon (01:07:26):
Yeah, I thought like maybe I'd be sick or
something.
But there was a lot going on, alot of fighting with those
three aspects of myself.
But I had to look at each pieceand learn forgiveness,
compassion for each one of thoseaspects.
Over time I was able to mergethem back into one.

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It took a long time, it took alot of therapy, it took for me
servicing and helping otherpeople.
So I joined a nonprofit to helpothers who experienced
pregnancy and infant loss.
We did workshops, supportgroups, collaborating with other
organizations and it really wasa big part of my healing

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process.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:08:10):
You're a wounded healer.

Ebony Mixon (01:08:11):
Yeah, it's still something that after I got
pregnant with my rainbow babythere were a lot of triggers so
I set that aside to focus andadvocate for myself and get
myself through that pregnancy.
But it is something that stillis dear to me.
Done some patient advocatinghelping other women know how to
communicate with their doctors,advocate for themselves in a way

(01:08:35):
that so they can be heard.
A lot of people don't realizethe doctor's not really in
charge.
You're in charge.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:08:42):
When you told me that you were pregnant again my
gosh you got two wonderful kidsbeautiful kids too but that led
to you.
That experience led you tohelping others, which is
something you mentioned way backin the beginning of this.
But you've wanted to helpothers and it's funny how the
ways that come up, that you'reable to help people, are
sometimes the most unexpectedand in your case it was a very

(01:09:06):
traumatic experience.
But to bring yourself backtogether to be able to help
others.
Now you're doing ASL signlanguage, helping others, and
you're learning that it's thatripple effect.
You know it's taking a traumaand initially helping other
women in the same situations orsimilar situations that you went
through, but leading down adifferent path with the ASL.

Ebony Mixon (01:09:28):
Yes, I have people reach out and want to connect me
with other people who are goingthrough it.
Or maybe they know someone, butthey don't know what to do to
help or how to interact withthem.
About a year after my loss, oneof my other sisters had their
baby premature and knew that thebaby was going to die shortly
after birth.
When they called me, I went tothe hospital and the nurses

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there were freaking out.
They didn't know what to do,how to react, even though I
experienced loss.
I don't know always the rightthing to say.
There's nothing really you cansay, but some things will be
frustrating if you say thingslike oh, you know they're in a
better place, don't.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:10:10):
Or even simply I'm sorry.
How many times can you hearthat?

Ebony Mixon (01:10:14):
Yeah, it's the action, so sometimes just
sitting there being present.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:10:19):
Yeah, and it's wonderful you say that just
being there and sometimes sayingnothing speaks louder than
anything you could ever say.

Ebony Mixon (01:10:27):
Exactly when I went to the hospital and the nurses
were kind of stuck not knowingwhat to do, and so I'm like well
, what would you do if it was aliving baby?
Name the baby, get the babydress.
Take pictures.
Let the mom hold the baby.
Get the baby dressed.
Take pictures.
Let the mom hold the baby.

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Even if it's not something thatyou want to look at later, if
you don't want to look at thepictures or anything like that,
at least you have them.
I don't know how everything isgoing to tie together in the
future with the things I'velearned intuition, dreams,
pregnancy and infant loss,service in the deaf and hard of
hearing community but I do feelstrongly that all these

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experiences are just adding upto take me somewhere where I can
put it all together.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:11:17):
Yeah, and you don't want to actually try to
figure out where that's going tobe, because nine times out of
10, that's not where it's goingto be.
It's.
It's leading you where you needto be.
So there's an element of trustin that and having that
knowledge, that that knowing ofthe unseen being there and
guiding you.
There's no method to theirmadness.

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There's no yes or no answers.
They give you the divine, sothey lead you where you're meant
to be.
It's just a choice of whetherto accept it or not, and so
you've got a wonderful attitudeand perspective on that.
Your kids are lucky that youshare that with them and support
them with that.
Children are very vulnerable,of course, with all the other

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kids and with society'sexpectations, and so you're a
great advocate for them and, Ibelieve, a great advocate for
people that are listening tothis to have someone such as
yourself and Akil your husband,that supports, that understands
that with especially young kids,so for you to be able to let
them know it's okay is great.

(01:12:22):
Yes, you know, I'm curious and Ijust had a thought about with
the deaf community not beingbombarded with the constant
barrage of news and social mediaand static of the world.
Have you encountered peoplethat you've worked with that are
more sensitive and open tothings?
You lose one sense and othersbecome more enhanced.
Just curious about that,whether or not, without the

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hearing, they were able tolisten, if you know what I mean.

Ebony Mixon (01:12:49):
A lot of people have questions like that.
I haven't met anyone.
The community is pretty small.
I've moved a few differentplaces but never really got the
opportunity to meet someone on aspiritual aspect of their
spiritual encounters.
I do know, like social media,there's a lot of deaf people
online who share information.

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There's someone who's on myInstagram who teaches everything
about astrology and signlanguage, and I can never really
grasp astrology so much.
I'm not a big reader, sowatching them show the visual of
how things work when it comesto astrology is fascinating.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:13:32):
It's going to be interesting to see where this
leads you, because this is justanother leg in your journey.
I believe.

Ebony Mixon (01:13:37):
It is.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:13:38):
We probably should look at wrapping up this
episode.
But I want to ask is thereanything else that you'd?
But I want to ask is thereanything else that you'd like to
say to listeners out there?
And also, how can people get intouch with you?
Because I can.
I can see where people there'sa lot of different reasons
people might want to contact youmost definitely.

Ebony Mixon (01:13:57):
If you're interested, um, you can contact
the Everyday Shaman through thewebsite.
I'm working on making a socialmedia, but the best way would be
email.
If you're listening to this andyou're on your journey and path
, the universe will connect youwith the support that you need.
It may not always be family.

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It may not always be friends.
I've found a lot of people invarious ways.
I've learned to decipher thatthere's two voices in my head.
Learn to distinguish the two soyou know which one you need to
listen to.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:14:33):
Yeah Well, the brain will lie to you, the heart
will not.

Ebony Mixon (01:14:38):
Very true.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:14:39):
Yeah, or it will lead you astray.
The brain will lead you astrayor cause you to slow down, but
that little voice that screamsis often overshadowed.
Yeah, you're right, that's agood way of putting it what you
said.

Ebony Mixon (01:14:52):
The first one, but you always kind of second guess
it.
You always think of the excuseand try to do the opposite of
whatever it is and justify it.
And try to do the opposite ofwhatever it is and justify it.
But having a support system,having resources there's so many
resources out here but having asupport system and it doesn't
always have to be someone thatyou already know.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:15:15):
Absolutely, and you're one that would gladly
talk to anyone, no matter thecircumstances that they're going
through, and do it in anonjudgmental, open, accepting,
loving way.

Ebony Mixon (01:15:26):
Yeah.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:15:27):
And there are people like you and myself and
many others out there thatreally want to provide
assistance.

Ebony Mixon (01:15:33):
I'm very open-minded.
I've never been judgmental.
I just believe you knoweverybody has their own way,
their own path, no right, nowrong.
So I'm happy to discuss things,answer questions.
If you're looking foradditional resources, happy to
help and can reach out to me,reach out to Jeff we're here

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Absolutely Well.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:15:57):
Thanks, Ebony, and thanks for being on the show
.
It was great having you hereand speaking with you again and
seeing you again, but it's beengreat and I appreciate you being
here and I think it's going to.
The things you've said aregoing to resonate with a lot of
people and don't be surprised.
You may have to build a websiteor get a kill to build a
website for you.

Ebony Mixon (01:16:14):
Yeah.

Jeffrey Brunk (01:16:15):
So again I want to thank Ebony Mixon for joining
us.
Very informative and a lot ofinformation there and I hope
things that Ebony has said hasresonated with people.
And feel free please, like shesaid, to contact her.
Don't feel shy, don't have fearabout it.
In a nonjudgmental way, in avery accepting way.
She'll be glad to help provide,like she said, resources to

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anyone who contacts her.
So thank you for joining ushere.
I look forward to the nextepisode of the Everyday Shaman
and we'll see you soon.
Take care.