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TIM MILLARD (00:07):
Hello and welcome
to the Extras.
I'm Tim Millard, your host, andtoday we have a very exciting
show.
I have George Feltensteinjoining me to give some more
clarification about this brandnew announcement of the next
phase of the Looney Tunesreleases from the Warner Archive
, of the Looney Tunes releasesfrom the Warner Archive, and
that's specifically in referenceto the Looney Tunes Collector's
Vault, volume 1, which was justrecently announced this last
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week.
You're going to get some niceclarification on what's going to
be going into this release andwhy they made the transition
from the Looney TunesCollector's Choice to the Looney
Tunes Collector's Vault.
So, animation fans, I thinkyou're going to get a lot of
great information there, andGeorge gives us a little detail
about another Looney Tunesproject that he and Jerry are
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working on, so you'll want tohear what he has to say about
that as well.
So lots of good stuff foranimation fans and for classic
film fans.
We do have several reviews thatwe will be going over from the
January releases, so you'll wantto stay tuned for that, hi
George, hi, tim, great to bewith you, as always.
Yeah, and I'm very excited today.
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We recently obviously talkedabout the announcements of what
you're bringing in April andthere's a lot of excitement
because you have such a diversegrouping once again of animation
classic and then newer films aswell.
And then just a few days ago,this last week, you made another
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announcement which I know hasthe whole classic animation
community very excited, and itgoes back to something that you
mentioned with Jerry at the endof last year where you said that
the kind of the next evolutionof Looney Tunes will be coming
out this year and you knew it'dbe very exciting to the fans.
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So this is our opportunity foryou to kind of explain it and
announce it here on the podcast.
George Feltenstein (02:01):
Well, I
appreciate the opportunity to do
so.
Well, I appreciate theopportunity to do so.
The timing was just because,frankly, we had just gotten the
key art all locked in 50cartoons that will be in the
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collection.
But I wanted people to knowwhat was coming and what was the
plan and kind of explain it.
I would say.
Toward the end of last yearJerry and I were tossing ideas
about, and Collector's Choicewas clearly very welcomed by the
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fan community and the ardentanimation enthusiasts because it
was providing beautifulrepresentations of each of these
animated shorts that had notbeen on DVD or Blu-ray in a
remastered form.
And I always say that because,as I've discussed here
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previously, subpar masters wereadded to certain collections as
extra material, which was veryconfusing to the consumer and
therefore made people believethat something had been released
.
Where, to my mind and that'swhy I tried to get it stopped
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was that, you know, taking a 25,30-year-old master of a cartoon
as a bonus doesn't do us anyfavors and it really confuses
everyone.
So that's why I always sayremastered, because any of the
cartoons that were included inthe Golden Collection in the DVD
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era were remastered as maincartoons in those collections,
and the same goes for thePlatinum Collections.
And I think it's important totake a little trip down memory
lane.
I think I've talked about thisbefore with you, but the
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strategy for Looney Tunes on DVDwas a huge battle that went on
for I'm going to say six, Ithink six years.
I think six years because itwas just at the time I had moved
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from MGMUA to Warner Brothersthat the DVD format began and
naturally the thought was well,we need to do Looney Tunes and
at the very beginning I wasn'tpicturing them.
I didn't know how dvds weregoing to be packaged in, you
know, right before the launch,and I thought they'd be in jewel
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cases like cds.
And I was just picturing, youknow, like, all the cartoons in
various you know, because that'swhat a lot of people want, they
want all thousands of cartoons.
They brought them right now andI get it.
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But the bigger problem we hadthose of us including Jerry
being not an employee of WarnerBrothers but certainly an
honorary employee and asupporter and a fan and a
collaborator and a contributorand a consultant, and because
Jerry and I had worked togetheron the Laserdisc compilations
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and whatnot, and he had alsodone some work for Warner before
I got here in the videocassetteland.
So we wanted to take the bestapproach and make these releases
for the adult collector.
At the same time, these werebeing marketed by the family
team and they wanted to havesomething to put in Walmart for
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the moms and kids.
So we came up with a two-tierstrategy.
The golden collections weremeant for the adult collector.
We thought there'd be 10 ofthem, but sales continued to
deteriorate to the point wherewe got to the sixth one.
It didn't make sense to continueto the financial colleagues.
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They couldn't support that, andat that time Blu-ray was just
starting and so there was a lookto well, what do we do on
Blu-ray?
And my involvement on theplatinum collections was
peripheral, because that was areally difficult thing to
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balance.
You needed new, never beforeavailable animated shorts, but
you also couldn't leave out thethings people were dying to see
in high definition, iconicWarner Brothers cartoons.
And we did so because to haveall the very best in volume one
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didn't make sense, because youneeded to have some kind of big
magnet for future volumes.
And that created terriblecontroversy, because people do
like to complain, and if youtake the way people complained
in 2003 compared to the waypeople complained in 2025, it
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was a garden party back then.
The world has become a muchmore angry place and you know,
the evolution of social mediahas just encouraged anger and
bitterness and darkness, as wellas some really wonderful things
.
It isn't all bad and I'm surethat most of the fans of what we
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do a lot of them don'tparticipate in social media and
a lot of people also take thetime to say very nice things.
It's not everybody beingnegative, but I really wanted to
clarify what we wanted to dohere.
People should really think ofthe Collector's Vault, the first
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disc that has 25 cartoons thathave been remastered that have
never been on DVD or Blu-ray.
That's essentially what wouldhave been Looney Tunes,
collector's Choice Volume 5.
But we wanted to diversify theoffering, going forward and
offer more cartoons.
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So we came up with the ideathat we would have a 25 animated
short collection, be discnumber one and for a modest
increase in price very modest,giving the consumer more of a
value proposition we would have25 cartoons which have never
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been part of any priorcollection on Blu-ray, first
time in high definition in acollection of Looney Tunes.
So there are so many incrediblygreat cartoons that have been
limited to DVD only in the past.
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This gave us an opportunity toreally raise the value up the
ante, make a release that's moreexciting, and we're giving
double the amount of cartoonsbut not double the price.
So it's going to be.
I think when people see thelist of what we have planned,
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they'll be very, very excitedand very enthusiastic.
I hope it will, george.
It will.
As with other collections, we'reassuming there will be a volume
two and a volume three and ifconsumers respond to this and
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are supportive of it from thebeginning, if they're supportive
from the beginning, that willmean that there will be another
release, at least one additionalrelease in 2025 and more
thereafter, and I think theoverall response we had and have
continued to have for thecollector's choice volumes one
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through four.
I think we're building on that,offering more, and there'll be
a diversification of thecharacters, more characters that
you didn't see.
People were really upset.
There was no Pepe Le Pew inCollector's Choice volumes one
through four.
Well, pepe Le Pew will be partof Collector's Vault, volume 1.
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He has not been canceled.
Speedy Gonzalez will be part ofCollector's Vault, Volume 1.
He has not been canceled.
All the characters will berepresented in Volume 2 with a
lot of quality, given that we'reupgrading cartoons that were
only available on DVD to highdefinition.
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Yes, you may have seen some ofthese things in high definition
on television, but if you did,they were so compressed.
Also, some of the older highdefinition masters were not
addressing film damage and dirtand proper color correction, the
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way you will see on the seconddisc of the collector's vault.
There's going to be a lot offine-tuning going on, so I hope
people will respond and beimpressed by the stellar quality
of each of the animated shortsin that collection.
So that explains what ourtheory was, what our intention
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was, because it was concerningto me that while we were going
through and finding the cartoonsthat had not been made
available at all not includingwhat was on Laserdisc, because
for the pre-48 Merry Melodiesand the pre-48 Color Looney
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Tunes, those had been onLaserdisc.
Obviously Laserdisc is not aviable format anymore, although
I do have about a thousand ofthem at home and I still use my
player.
But we need to be in the 21stcentury and it's been a long
time.
A lot of really, reallyterrific films are going to be
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in this new collection andlooking amazing and I think
people will really be impressed.
We're addressing picture issuesas well as audio quality.
Some of the cartoons you knowdon't have great audio tracks
because of, let's say, thepicture has been maintained
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impeccably, but the audio trackwhich is stored separately might
be two or three generationsaway.
We're trying to find betteraudio tracks.
So there's an intention goingon to make this a really stellar
two-disc presentation and Ihope the fans will be very happy
.
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The company really cares aboutits library and these are as
important in the library as anyother film, whether it be a
feature film, television episode.
And I think this would be agreat time for me to address
something kind of related.
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And this is very, veryembryonic, but one of the things
that I wanted to do when Ifirst got to Warner Brothers and
Jerry asked me the very samething and that is we are trying
diligently and very hard.
We are trying diligently andvery hard.
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We are trying to resurrect theBugs Bunny show, the original
half-hour network series thatran on ABC for two seasons and
then ran on Saturday mornings inall sorts of forms, as they
continued to chop the negativesand chop the shows.
Our preservation department isactively working on this and
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I've been begging for over 20years for someone to focus on
this and this work is actuallybeing done.
It's going to take a long timeand it's going to require
microsurgery because theoriginal color negatives of
those half hour shows werebutchered and people weren't
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thinking about the future andI'm hopeful that maybe in a year
, maybe it'll take two years.
However long it takes, we'restarting with black and white
fine grains that are a complete,perfect record of what each of
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those half hour shows were andwe're laying them down as a bed
and then we're taking the cameranegatives from each show and
seeing what's missing.
Now the core of each of thosehalf hours was three cartoons
and obviously for the cartoonsthemselves, that had bridging
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footage, the cartoons are fine.
It's the bridging footage thatwe need to recreate the exact
half hour, because Chuck Jonesand Frizz Frehling and Robert
McKimpson and the WarnerBrothers cartoon department of
1961, 60, 62, I believe theycreated new animation that we
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only got to see little pieces ofyears later in the Bugs Bunny,
roadrunner show and so forth,because already the shows had
been decimated.
So I just want folks to know.
I have no idea when we'llfinish the project, but the
Warner Brothers PreservationDepartment is working on this
now diligently and carefully,and I'm hoping that that's good
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news for everyone.
TIM MILLARD (16:55):
So that's that's
fantastic news.
I think everyone's gonna bevery excited to hear that that
work is ongoing.
George Feltenstein (17:03):
It's.
It means a great deal to me andI know everyone, all the fans
have really been asking aboutthis and before I worked here I
didn't understand why thiswasn't a priority.
Because people want to seethose shows the way they
remember them.
Even you know, I never got tosee those original shows, you
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know, because by the time I wasable to watch these cartoons on
TV as a little kid it was theBugs Bunny Roadrunner Hour and
things were chopped up, yeah.
So I think it'll be amazing.
We'll try to get those post andtang commercials in there.
I mean, it will be the originalshows as they were, so they
were made in color.
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They were broadcast in blackand white until Saturday
mornings.
But this is part of what's goingon with Looney Tunes here at
Warner Brothers.
It isn't just what we're doingwith Collector's Vault and my
prayer is that we'll be able torelease a collector's vault
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release, you know, two, three,four times a year, if things go
well and the fans support thereleases.
This is very good news for ourbeloved classic animated
cartoons and I kind of thinkthat sums up my explanation of
where our head was at in comingup with Collector's Vault.
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A lot of people were saying whydid they just call it
Collector's Choice, volume 5?
Well, this is more than that.
We want to build on that and wewant people to really enjoy
what we're doing.
TIM MILLARD (18:45):
So if I could
interpret, just from my
perspective, what that means andthe value proposition that
you're presenting, is that ifyou were loving the collector's
choice volumes, you're going toget that with that disc one,
that continuation, and then, ifyou were waiting and anxiously
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posting when are they going toget around to upgrading some of
these other DVD releases you'regoing to get your cake and eat
it too.
You're going to get the onesthat were never released and now
you're going to get the onesthat were in DVD and you're
going to now have them inBlu-ray with all new masters and
the audio is going to be muchbetter.
And now you're going to presentthat 50 cartoons instead of
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roughly 25, what you had beforeor just slightly more.
So I think there's a lot herefor the fans, once they kind of
understand this, what this Vaultseries will be, to say this is
great.
I'm going to love hearing whatthe new cartoons are never
before, and then I'm going toreally enjoy seeing what you
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guys have been able to go backto from the DVDs to put out on
these releases.
So it's a great value and Ithink it needs a new name for
that reason.
George Feltenstein (20:05):
That was our
intention and that is our hope,
and I'm of the belief that wewill be able to announce the
contents probably in about amonth.
There are some in thecollection that are being newly
remastered just for thiscollection and the negatives
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were delayed arriving from theLibrary of Congress so we had to
move the release.
We were planning to do a June10th release.
That's why we moved to June17th release, because we needed
more time to create the newmasters.
This is really.
We're very excited about it.
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We hope that the fansappreciate that we're not
turning our back on this at all.
We're very passionate about itand there was too long of a
delay between the PlatinumCollection, volume 3 and
Collector's Choice Volume 1.
Volume three in Collector'sChoice, volume one, and I'm
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grateful that the company isentrusting the Warner Archive to
kind of lead the parade forBooney Tunes and all the legacy
that means to this company.
TIM MILLARD (21:24):
And I think one
last thing I'll say, george, is
that, as you started thisdiscussion going back to your
early days, this all evolvesover time and when a collection
runs its course and the sales nolonger continue to support it,
then as a business you have topivot and then a new format
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comes out Blu-ray 4K Then you'regiven new opportunities or
there's a new surge in interestor different things, and I think
that what you and Jerry do justto keep the product coming out
for the fans, for the collectors, is a great service and one
that's highly appreciated.
So many people post verypositive comments, george, of
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the work that you and Jerry doand how much they appreciate it,
so I want you to know that aswell.
That is out there and I read alot of those, and I know the
listeners of the extras feelthat way as well.
And on the YouTube channel, somany positive things that people
say Bless you and Jerry for thework you do in continuing to
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bring these out to the fans, andI think with this new Looney
Tunes Collector's Vault Volume 1, that same appreciation is
going to be there.
I'm really looking forward toit and looking forward to
talking with you and Jerry aboutthe cartoons on there as well
in another month or so.
George Feltenstein (22:46):
So we're
very excited about it and a lot
of thought went into this, and Ithink a lot of the fans know
this.
But Jerry and I aren't just thecreative minds behind this.
We are fans with incrediblepassion and enthusiasm, just
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like all the other enthusiastsout there.
We love these films, we want tosee them presented properly.
We want to make sure that we doright by all the wonderful
animated films that were madehere and that we present them in
the best possible way.
And it's a very exciting time,and that's why I wanted to share
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the little piece of news thatin the background it's embryonic
we are working on trying tomake the Bugs Bunny show a
reality.
So that's all, folks, for nowat least, about the cartoons.
But this is also a good segueinto talking about some of our
recent War Archive releases thatyou and I have not talked about
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yet.
TIM MILLARD (23:53):
Yeah, there were
two from January that just for
one reason or another we haven'tgotten around to, and I know
that there are many listenersout there who appreciate hearing
what you and I have to sayabout these.
You announce them, but then Iget a chance to watch and we can
talk together about a review ofthe final release.
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So we want to be sure and dothat and we should start, I
think, with the oldest one, andthat is the 1933 film, gabriel
over the White House.
And you mentioned when this wasannounced that you had wanted
to time it around theinauguration.
It came out a little bit afterthat, but what a perfect choice
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because it is set.
You know, the story is aboutthis man who is elected
president and he is, you know,kind of in bed with all of the
corporate titans, and then hehas this accident and he has a
change, and it's reallyinteresting to see the
transformation that he has totry to change a country for
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better.
I didn't really know this filmwhen I watched it and I was
enthralled.
It just moves, it's got greatatmosphere, the story is very
good and, of course, the actingis fantastic in it.
So I really enjoyed this film.
George Feltenstein (25:20):
I thought
that it was a wonderful
opportunity to upgrade this film.
It had only been available onDVD and the source master it
came from was about 30 years old.
So for this new 4K scan of ourbest preservation elements and
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to give it a really goldentreatment and to put it out at
an appropriate time, I justthought was the right thing to
do.
And the director, gregoryLaCava, who's a multi-talented
director he directed a lot ofreally great films and different
genres and styles and feel thisfilm is really it's some people
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have referred to it as a wildmovie that it's like so over the
top hope and speaks to thegreatness of true patriotism and
loving the freedoms of ourcountry.
I mean, I think that's thetakeaway message of it.
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Walter Houston's performance asthe president is really quite
remarkable.
This is a film that was prettymuch consigned to really really
good film school classes hardlyseen anywhere, occasionally
maybe at two o'clock in themorning on Turner Classic Movies
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or something.
And, like I said, we did havean early Warner Archive DVD
which came from a very oldmaster.
The quality of a presentationcan change how much you can
enjoy what a film has to say anda really terrible print of a
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really great movie is stillgoing to be great because the
movie itself is great.
But when you have a beautifulpresentation of a great movie,
especially one that you may nothave known about, this is a film
I really recommend people.
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They're going to do a blind buy, take a risk.
Watch the movie.
You will be glad to add it toyour collection.
Yes, and it was always kind ofan I don't want to say
underground, but it was kind oflike if you were savvy enough in
your American film history toknow about Gabriel over the
White House, that puts you, as afilm buff and a film fan, in a
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special category of people whoreally know their stuff.
This film needs to be betterknown and falls into the rare
and hard to find category.
That was why it was part of theWarner Archive collection in
the early DVDs, but now it's aBlu-ray from a beautiful master
and it looks terrific.
TIM MILLARD (28:29):
And I'm finding
that a lot of these films from
the 30s as I'm watching them,you know, obviously the
restoration just really bringsthem to life.
But topically it's almost likeI mean, we're talking 90 years
ago, george, coming up on 100,before too long, and yet the
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relevance of the subject matterit's still the same relevance
people, jobs, economy, likethere's so many things in this
specifically that are asrelevant today as they were 80,
90, 100 years ago and that makesit prescient for the viewer now
.
But you can see it historicallyas well for that time.
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So I just found it that itworked on so many levels.
And then, of course, walterHouston is fantastic and the
other actors as well.
So definitely a great blind buy.
If you don't know this one, I'veeven read some comments from
people who did that and theywere so glad that they did so.
Really fun to review this one.
And there are some extras onhere, george, from what 1933,
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the cartoons that you have on.
You have Bosco in person,buddy's Beer Garden and the Dish
Ran Away with the Spoon, and Iwatched all three and they're
really fun and totally fit thetheme of 1933 here with this
film.
George Feltenstein (29:54):
Well, it
puts you in the mood of what you
would have experienced if youwent to a movie theater, and if
you didn't, you wouldn't haveseen exactly these cartoons, you
would have seen something likethem.
I always find that to be agreat deal of fun.
Just to be able to add that onhave gotten on this film so far,
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especially in terms of therehave been some big, pretty big
articles written about it inmajor newspapers and online
sites, where people who don'tusually talk about our releases
wanted to talk about Gabrielover the White House.
Obviously, these are verypolitically sensitive times and
a film that is 92 years oldhaving a message for us now it's
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kind of like you know, peoplespeaking to us from the great
beyond.
It's quite remarkable and Ireally hope people enjoy yeah.
TIM MILLARD (30:52):
Yeah, that is fun
that people have been refinding
this again, and that's whatthese new Blu-rays allow George
people to refine it, and whenyou put a little publicity and
promotion behind it, you knowthe new launch of the Blu-ray
and it brings back into theconversation, so to speak.
So that's great to hear.
Well, we have one other filmthat we wanted to talk about,
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and this is Last Stand at SabreRiver from 1997.
And this one stars Tom Selleckin a Western that was based off
of an Elmore Leonard novel.
I thought this was great fun Ifyou enjoy Westerns, if that's a
genre that interests you.
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I thought the acting from Tomand his supporting cast was very
good.
And then it's a fun,interesting storyline of this
ex-Confederate officer orsoldier who comes back to his
home and his wife and his familyand things have changed, and so
it has a lot of great drama anda lot of great action in it as
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well.
George Feltenstein (32:01):
And I
thoroughly enjoyed watching it.
Well, the TNT network back inthe days when it was started by
Ted Turner, they really formedtheir own TNT Originals
production unit where TurnerBroadcasting was funding the
making of films specifically forTNT.
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And Ted loved westerns and,with the exception of the
occasional Dances with Wolves in1990, unforgiven 1992, Wyatt
Earp, 1994.
There were a few Westerns beingmade for the big screen, but
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not a lot, and Ted did a greatservice to fans of the genre by
making many Westerns as well asmany other non-Westerns for TNT.
The TNT telefilms were really astep above most made for
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television films.
There were still in the 90s,movies being made for network TV
, although that was dying out ascable was becoming a resurgent
medium.
And I think a lot of the filmsthat were made for TNT were up
to the level and as good as thethings that were being made for
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HBO, which were probably thebest things ever made that
weren't for a theatrical release.
But this particular TNT Western, not only because of Tom
Selleck's continued popularityfor decades as a performer, but
because the story was written byElmore Leonard two years before
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this movie, get Shorty came outin the theaters and people who
didn't know Elmore Leonard'sincredible, unique sense of
writing, became aware of him,and he of course, already had a
huge fan following.
So I think this was acombination of Elmore Leonard
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and the TNT Western comingtogether under the best
conditions.
And here we went back to thecamera negative and scanned it
4K and you don't feel likeyou're watching a telefilm.
You feel like you're watching atheatrical film of what would
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now be called a modest budget,but it's good storytelling, good
acting.
Susie Amos is the female lead,there's a lot of action but
there's a lot of heart and it'salso very relatable.
The writing is of such highquality that it kind of sticks
with you.
It kind of sticks with you andwe intend to do more with the
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TNT library over the next comingyears.
We would like to do a lot morebringing these films to Blu-ray,
because people are wearing outtheir DVDs or their VHS copies.
You know this is the time,certainly not for all of them,
but for some of them.
Their excellence demands anexcellent presentation and I'm
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excited about a lot of the oneswe have in the hopper that we're
planning on for later on thisyear and next year and hopefully
the year after.
TIM MILLARD (35:38):
And I think he did
some other Westerns, so
hopefully those are in thatbatch you're talking about.
George Feltenstein (35:42):
Oh yes.
TIM MILLARD (35:44):
I've been asking
already, so looking forward to
that.
So, yeah, another thumbs up onthis one.
It's a very solid movie and forfans of the Western genre this
is a lot of fun.
So well, that kind of wraps upour discussion for today.
George, that was a lot ofterritory, even though it was
just a few topics that I thinkthat's, you know, really fun for
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both animation and film fans.
And as always, George, it'sgreat to hear from you and the
explanation on these things sothat people can get from the
source and get the truth and notjust speculation or rumors or
conjecture that is sometimes outthere.
So I want to thank you againfor coming on the Extras Well,
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thank you, tim.
George Feltenstein (36:27):
It's always
a pleasure and I look forward to
the next get together.
We'll have a lot of fun thingsto talk about.
That we will.
That we will.
TIM MILLARD (36:38):
Well, that's
exciting news.
I'm so glad that George wasable to jump on to give us the
full announcement for thatLooney Tunes Collector's Vault,
volume 1.
We'll get George and Jerry backon to talk about this release
either closer to the release orsoon after, and they'll also be
announcing probably in anothermonth or so the actual cartoons
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that are included.
So lots of great stuff aheadfor animation fans, for Looney
Tunes fans, and so that'ssomething to look forward to.
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Those were two fine films that Ihope you'll add to your list if
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So thank you very much for that.
Until next time you've beenlistening to Tim Millard, stay
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