The Fall Forward Podcast with Emilia Gardner

The Fall Forward Podcast with Emilia Gardner

Welcome to The Fall Forward Podcast! I'm Emilia Gardner, and this is my show. I've been in the "make money online" niche since about 2018, and I have several years of a professional career behind that. I started this podcast because I love, love, love talking about side hustling transitioning away from traditional careers, especially when I have the chance to talk about it with really sharp, hard-working, motivated people. As for me, I'm primarily focused on building and growing content websites monetized with display ads and affiliate links, though I am also slowly growing income streams online from KDP, teaching online, and YouTube. That being said, I still want to talk to people about their ideas, their goals, their dreams, and the struggles, in the online world or anywhere else. There's a lot to be learned from other people's journeys, even if their focus is different than mine (or yours).


April 9, 2021 36 mins

In two years, Jasper Pieterse built one of his first sites from scratch up to 240,000 page views a month, earning from both affiliate programs and display ads. He was barely 21 years old, and was making more money that he'd ever earned before.

He hired a team, and made plans to start some new sites.

And then along came google.

We talk a bit about Jasper's background, getting started in website...

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I had a great chat with Mike from Below Average Blogger in the past few weeks. Mike has recently come into the YouTube scene with his Below Average Blogger youtube channel, but he isn't what I would call a "newbie." Mike has a few websites that he is currently growing (and learning on), but he is also pulling in other side hustle dollars with his writing and voice over skills.

What I like about Mike (and thi...

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Michael Hess cold emailed me a few weeks ago to ask me about my experiences teaching on Skillshare. I've been pretty up front about my struggles and progress on the platform (consistency, violating ever-changing rules), and he asked to talk to me to gather information for his own product, Emporia.

I was happy to chat with him, and the conversation went so well that I asked him to come on the show to talk about the pro...

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I recently had a really enjoyable chat with One Hour Professor Ron Stefanski. He's a content publisher (niche websites and YouTube). We talked a lot about the big site he had listed with Flippa to try and sell at the end of the year, the growth of his YouTube channel in 2020, whether he thought his college education was a good investment, and so much more.

If you want to find out more about Ron or follow him:

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Aloha! It is so enjoyable to talk shop with other very motivated, hard working creators! Especially when they also have a passion for the outdoors as I do. Beau has been in the business of working on websites for years, and has recently started to develop a portfolio of his own. We talk a little bit about his background, and dive into his recent experience buying a site through Motion Invest.

If you want to follow Beau, h...

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I have no idea how she does it. Seng Nickerson has a job, a family, takes time for herself and her health, and still managed to produce content for her websites and YouTube channels consistently. A serial entrepreneur, Seng got into websites years ago, well before most of us even considered it. But it didn't click right away, and it wasn't until the last few years when she managed to dial it in.

Here are the lin...

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Meet blogger and small YouTuber Luke Jordan. This is a very casual "in the trenches" type interview, so those fans of the show who love very informal content--THIS IS FOR YOU! We talked a lot about goals with our online businesses ventures and the challenges of getting there, trying to find some levity, growing on YouTube, and creating content that we really won't want to make. 

If you want to follow Luke, ...

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How does one pivot when the foundation of one's business is in-personal handshakes and kissing babies? Engineer turned entrepreneur Elzie Flenard talks with me about the challenges of building strong personal relationships online. He is the "mayor" of his podcast town brand, and the host of his own podcast.

Podcast Town website
Enterprise NOW! Podcast

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Ready for project pineapple? Meet Sasha Yanshin.

Sasha has a ton of experience in the professional world, and has recently made the decision to make the jump to building online income streams. He has two YouTube channels. One of them is devoted to topics that highlights his professional experience, while the other is a new channel that will document his experience trying to make money online. Like many of us, right now hi...

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Hello folks, meet Two Hour Blogger Nick Alan. Nick is a musician who started a website a handful of years ago, never realizing that the band would break up and the website would become his main focus. This is an interview that helps us get to know Nick, his strategy, and documents where he is with his business. We'll try and circle back around to him in 6-12 months to see what has changed!

if you want to follow Nick o...

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I had a really cool chat with environmental psychologist Lee Chambers earlier this year.  Lee made the jump in 2020 to start his consulting business. While many hunkered down and scaled back their efforts, Lee did the opposite and took some major risks.  I find his attitude and outlook on life inspiring, and I think you will too. 

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This episode is a conversation I had with Mike Wilson of Speak Audibly earlier this year. He is an author, coach, and consultant. With this stacking of skills and accomplishments, you might be tempted to write him off as just another one of the typical gurus trying to make a lot of money quickly. 

This would be a mistake. 

Mike Wilson is not just trying to make a living. He is a guy who honestly wants to help peop...

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Phil Hughes has the entrepreneurial bug. He still has a full-time job, but is working hard day in and day out to learn enough and to grow enough to launch a successful software product of his own. Phil candidly admits that he hasn't "made it" just yet, but that doesn't mean his story isn't interesting, or that we can't learn from it. In fact, I would argue that it makes his story more compelling...beca...

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I bought some sites that have a lot of content on them, which is awesome, but there is so much content that I can't really work on it all that much. I let them do what they do while I work on other projects. In this episode, I talk through some content upgrades that I did with Content Refined on a few of my articles in 2020. If you want to learn more about Content Refined (or check out their Black Friday deals), here's th...

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Tracey Ferrin might be the most genuine and positive person I have ever talked to. Seriously. She is a woman, wife, and mother who was faced with some pretty serious life challenges, and managed to persevere and overcome them. Now that her kids are almost all grown, she is building up a business of her own as an author, coach, and content creator.

You can find out more about Tracey, as well as her products, services, and ...

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Today's episode is a great chat with Jerry Abiog, the CMO and Co-Founder of Standard Insights, a AI guided marketing platform.  We talked a lot about his product and company, and also what it is like to make the leap from employee to entrepreneur (and also what it takes). 

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Today's guest is Phil Pelucha, who specializes in building business relationships.

He is a podcaster, coach, and business owner, with a goal of helping struggling business owners and entrepreneurs. In this episode, we talk about the power of podcasting, and how a podcast can help you grow your business even if no one in your niche knows who you are just yet. 

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Sam Kamani was a real pleasure to speak with. He was funny, energetic, crazy smart, experienced, and enthusiastic. While he can talk in depth about startups, entrepreneurship, eSports, marketing, and more, we mostly talked about when to persist and when to pivot in our businesses.

You can find out more about Sam (and his books and his podcast) via his website

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After struggling in the Japanese education system, Natsune Oki moved to Seattle and found her feet. This move was the catalyst that put her on the entrepreneurial path. Early in her career, she is making moves that many of us who have been around the block for a while think twice about, or never even build up the confidence to move forward on. If you want to know more about this very motivated young woman, you can find her through ...

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I am not sure that I have laughed in a podcast as much as I did during my interview with The Get Up Girl podcast host Joanna Vargas. 

Vargas is an entrepreneur, business owner, creative, and coach, with dreams of moving into the world of public speaking. She teaches and leads others, but never goes full-on-guru. In a world of fake-it-til-you-make-it, Vargas leads with her relatable/down to earth real world experience and p...

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