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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I wasn't looking for
Margaret Wilson's story.
I was just wandering through aquiet graveyard in Stirling,
scotland, behind the Church ofthe Holy Rood.
The air was crisp, the stoneswere weathered by time and then,
as I walked past countlessgravestones, I saw it, a unique
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memorial that caught my eye.
The inscription wasn't dramaticor bold, in fact it was kind of
understated, but there wassomething about that monument
that stirred me.
I found myself asking who wasthis girl?
What happened to her?
That moment led me to discoverone of the most incredible
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stories of faith I've everpersonally encountered.
To the world she was foolish,but to those who live for King
Jesus, she was faithful.
And now, about 340 years later,her story still speaks.
And today I want to tell youabout this story, the story of
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Margaret Wilson.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
That introduction.
Well, it already has me hooked.
This month, in our MarchMission Madness series, we're
exploring the lives of crazy,amazing believers, people who
are willing to risk everythingfor Christ.
Before we go any further, let'sroll that podcast introduction.
And then Tasha I want to hearmore about Margaret Wilson.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Welcome to the Family
Disciple Me podcast.
If you have a real relationshipwith Jesus, then you're in the
right place to be encouraged,challenged and blessed as you
seek Him, speak Him.
The mission of the FamilyDisciple Me ministry is to
inspire devotion-drivendiscipleship, which is something
we believe every Christfollower can do.
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Discipleship starts with aconversation, so let's get going
with that right now.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Today's episode is
about Margaret Wilson.
I told you, wendy, about howher monument, her memorial,
caught my eye, but I didn'tdescribe it to you, so let me
create the setting here.
I'm wandering through thisgraveyard all sorts of
tombstones standing upright,falling down, old weathered,
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some you could read, some youcouldn't read, some were covered
with algae and moss and otherswere very clear.
And I'm going through all ofthese and I walk up to this
monument.
That was this huge glassencasing that held three marble
statues.
The first statue the largestwas an angel who was surrounding
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this young woman, and the youngwoman, well, she was protecting
this child.
I was so caught by the imagethere, it stunned me and it made
me know that there was evenmore to this story than what was
in the inscription.
And it turns out, as I keptresearching it, margaret Wilson.
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She was 18 years old, she wasjust a young woman.
She was on the cusp of being anadult and living her whole life
, but she chose to believe thatwhat was foolish to the world is
sacred and powerful in the eyesof God, and she chose to live
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for him more than anything oranybody else, during a very,
very dangerous point of history.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, I think, before
we go any further, tasha, I
think it's so important that weunderstand why was following
Jesus in Scotland at this time,so dangerous.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well, king James VII
of Scotland, he demanded that
all citizens take what wascalled an oath of abjuration,
declaring himself as the highestruler even over matters of
faith.
And well thing is, that wasn'tjust a law that had no
consequences.
Those who refused to take theoath of abjuration?
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They were imprisoned, they wereexiled or they were even
executed in what became known asthe killing time.
And that happened for about 10years, starting in about 1680.
A group of people that wereknown as the Covenanters refused
to recognize the king as thehead of the church.
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They were fine recognizing himas king of their country, but
they weren't okay with him beingthe king of the church.
They believed only one personhad that role and that right and
that was King.
Jesus Still is actually.
Well, the world, and maybe evenmany other people who called
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themselves Christians.
They saw the Covenanter'srefusal to call the king the
king of everything.
They saw that as foolishness,but in God's kingdom it was
faithfulness.
That is definitely setting theking of everything.
They saw that as foolishness,but in God's kingdom it was
faithfulness.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
That is definitely
setting the scene for me Now, oh
now, I'm interested to knowmore about Margaret Wilson's
life.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Margaret was a young
woman from a town called Wigtown
in Scotland and she was raisedin a faithful Covenanter
community.
Now, the thing aboutCovenanters is that, well, they
were in danger.
They couldn't just go to church, they couldn't worship where
other people might see them orhear them, so they worshiped in
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secret places, sometimes out inthe forest and out in the woods
amongst the trees.
They had to worship King Jesussecretly because they refused to
acknowledge the King ofScotland, the King of England,
as the head of the church.
Well, along the way, margaretand her 13-year-old sister,
agnes, they were arrested fornot taking the oath of
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abjuration.
They were arrested, they wereput on trial and they were
sentenced to execution.
Can you imagine, wendy?
These are young, young girlsthat were put on trial,
sentenced to be executed forworshiping Christ.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
That's absolutely
heartbreaking.
I can't even fathom what theywere going through at that time,
and yet it sounds like shedidn't back down.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
She didn't back down.
She did have a father who dideverything he could to try to
secure the release and thefreedom of his daughters.
I believe that he soldeverything he could sell.
I think he raised as much moneyas he could from friends and
family members to try to raisebail much money as he could from
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friends and family members totry to raise bail.
He went to Edinburgh to try toget the Privy Council to release
his daughters, but in the endthey wouldn't reverse their
ruling and he only had enoughmoney to afford the ransom of
one daughter.
So he ransomed his youngerdaughter, Agnes, and so there
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was Margaret, his other daughtersentenced to death by drowning
in a waterway called the SolwayFirth.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
What happened on this
day of execution?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well, margaret Wilson
had been captured with another
Margaret, a Margaret namedMargaret McLaughlin, and that
woman was in her 60s and we knowthat Margaret Wilson was 18.
Well, these two women were tiedto a stake in the rising tide
and they put Margaret McLaughlinfurther out, like deeper into
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the waters, and they tiedMargaret Wilson to a stake
closer in, because they werehoping that, as she watched
Margaret McLaughlin die for herfaith, that she would take the
oath of abjuration to rescue herlife.
So Margaret watched her belovedfriend, this older woman, die
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for Jesus in the incoming tide.
And as the tide was coming in,she knew she was next and the
guards gave her one chance afterthe next to swear allegiance to
the king.
In fact, wendy, her family wasgathered around her begging her
just take the oath, just takethe oath.
In fact, wendy, her family wasgathered around her begging her
just take the oath, just takethe oath.
You can almost imagine themsaying you don't even have to
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mean it, just say it and it'llspare your life.
But Margaret would not put KingJesus in second place in her
life.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
This is such a lesson
already.
We haven't even gotten throughher story and yet I want to go
and share it with my ownchildren right now.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So let's keep going,
Keep telling me, can you imagine
an 18-year-old with this sortof determination?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Absolutely not, and
especially let's be real in
today's society.
There's no comparison right nowin today's society.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
There's no comparison
right now.
And yet, wendy, my deepestdesire is that we will be able
to speak into the nextgeneration and raise up these
strong warriors who livesacrificially for Jesus, no
matter what their age.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Which is telling me
that these conversations that
we're having with the nextgeneration, they're vital for
helping all children, all ages,from our young little ones,
elementary age, to our youngadults, to live on mission for
what God has called them to do.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Absolutely.
And you know, what is soinspiring to me about Margaret
Wilson's life is that she knewat least two chapters of
scripture.
As I've studied that timeperiod of history, it was really
hard to get copies of the Bible.
In fact people were beingburned at the stake in that
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general time period for makingcopies of the Bible.
So it was very dangerous tohave copies of the word of God,
so they would have been sacredand rare.
And in the midst of all thatshe was experiencing and going
through as a young woman, shewas rock solid in her faith,
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knowing, having memorized twochapters of scripture.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I wonder if her
parents helped her memorize
those scriptures.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I wonder if that
happened.
We don't know, I didn't findthat in the history, but I did
find that her older brother wasa huge spiritual influence in
her life as well.
So, however it happened,margaret Wilson had hidden God's
word in her heart.
And well before I tell you whatthose scriptures were, I just
want to say we have thatopportunity with our kids and
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our families as well.
We are focusing on differentverses in every single Family.
Disciple Me devotion-drivendiscipleship conversation.
So as we hide those scripturesin our kids' hearts and our
hearts, we never know how God isgoing to bring those back and
use those in their lives.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Absolutely, because
we know that the Word is living
and so when you're reading thosescriptures, it has something to
say to you at that time in yourlife, when you're reading it,
and you can turn around andshare that with the next
generation.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I'm certain that
Margaret Wilson had these two
chapters memorized, because,well, I doubt she was holding
any pieces of paper in theincoming tide.
But witnesses later testifiedthat she began to sing Psalm
chapter 25, a song of trust inGod, even in suffering.
And I can tell you, the nexttime I read Psalm 25 in the
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context of that being amongstMargaret's last words, wow, it
took on a whole differentmeaning and a whole different
depth to me.
I'll never read that Psalm thesame again.
And as the waters rose, shealso recited Romans, chapter 8,
declaring that nothing, not evendeath, could separate her from
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Christ.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I'm just imagining
right now that she is on her
death doorstep, really, andshe's clinging to these verses
Psalms 25 and Romans 8.
You said you went back and youread those.
After hearing this story, whatreally stands out to you about
those verses?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh, so many things
stand out to me from those
verses, but one verse inparticular just jumps off the
page at me, and actually this isthe verse that is our theme
verse for this particularconversation in our March
Mission Madness conversations,and it is Romans, chapter 8,
verse 18.
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And that verse says I considerthat our present sufferings are
not worth comparing with theglory that will be revealed in
us.
That verse in context ofMargaret being tied to this
stake out in this waterway withthis incoming tide, this young,
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18-year-old woman being executedbecause King Jesus was on the
throne of her heart higher thanany other king, her saying these
words I consider that mypresent sufferings are not worth
comparing with the glory thatwill be revealed in me.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That is absolutely
riveting to me At this point I
have to ask you, as you've beentelling this story, as you've
been recounting this story, asyou have been just laying this
beautiful scenery for us of thistime in Scotland, when you were
standing there and you werelooking at Margaret's memorial,
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you were reading thatinscription.
Did you know at that time howpowerful her story was?
At that time?
Did you know that it wouldcontinue to just lay upon your
heart for months and monthsafter going to Scotland?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Once I started
researching her story as we were
headed back to our hotel, I wasstruck by the significance of
her story but honestly, I had noidea how much it would
reverberate in my life this manymonths later.
I wanted to know who she was.
When I read her story and Ithought about her faith and it
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challenged me to live for Godmore sacrificially than ever.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
You seem so
passionate about this story.
After reading it, actually, itseems like you kind of stumbled
upon this story.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I did.
I stumbled on this story as wewere walking through that
graveyard.
There were four of us togetherthere, the other three including
my beloved husband.
They kept walking.
I'm the one that was standingthere gaping at this monument,
but then, as we left, I was theone that kept just researching
it and thinking about it.
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Margaret Wilson's life, heryoung 18-year-old life, made me
ask myself do I live with thatkind of conviction?
Do I let the world and theworld's pressures silence my
faith?
Margaret's story reminds methat there's more to this life
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than just this life, and whilethat may seem foolishness to the
world to live that way, and yetthat's the choice that I want
to make every day to live forKing Jesus and to keep him
highest on the throne of myheart, of my life.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Margaret's story is
such a great reminder of how to
live sacrificially for Jesus.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
And that's going to
look different in all of our
lives, right?
Hopefully we're not going to betied to a stake, set in the
incoming tide, to be killed bydrowning for our faith.
Probably isn't going to looklike that, but there are ways,
every single day, that God asksus to stand up for our faith and
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to be sacrificial, and thequestion is whether or not we'll
choose to live that when themoments come.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And not only are we
living that way, but we want to
turn around and share into ourchildren to do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
That's right around
and share into our children to
do the same thing.
That's right.
Margaret Wilson's legacy as ayoung person Well, she is such
an example of what we'rehighlighting in this March
Mission Madness series and thatis crazy.
Amazing faith and what I loveabout Margaret is so many things
actually.
But even though she was killedby drowning, her faith could
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never drown.
In fact, it's almost like atidal wave into my heart and,
wendy, I hope it's a tidal waveinto the hearts of everybody who
hears just a little bit abouther story.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
And this just isn't
for one age listener.
This is for our youngs, this isfor elementary, this is for our
middle school, our young adults.
Margaret was 18 years old andshe had her whole life ahead of
her, but she knew there wassomething greater coming.
She lived for Jesus, she diedfor Jesus, and now she is with
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Jesus.
I want nothing more than for mychildren to understand this.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That's right, and it
starts with us leaning in and
seeking the Lord about this inour own lives, and then we have
the amazing privilege to turnaround and speak this into the
lives of those entrusted to us.
So, for all of us, let's spendsome time seeking the Lord about
, well, this theme.
Verse from Margaret's life,romans, chapter 8, verse 18.
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Let's ask the Spirit of God toshow us what he wants to say to
us through that.
Let's ask Him those questionswhat, why and how.
That is in every conversationhere with Family, disciple Me
and then, as he speaks to us, ashe shows us how he wants us to
walk and live out that truth,then let's be sure, wendy, you
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and me and everybody who'slistening, let's be sure to turn
around and speak him into thelives of those entrusted to us.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yes, I can't wait to
get home and share this with as
fast as I can.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It's good stuff.
Well, this is the end of March.
Mission Madness for this year.
We'll see what next year holds,but for now, wendy, would you
close us out with a final prayerof blessing about living on
mission for Jesus?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Dear Heavenly Father.
Lord, what an opportunity toseek you, to know who you are,
to hear your voice in thesestories of extraordinary women
that we have had the privilegeto study during this month.
May we hear their stories, maywe apply them to our lives, may
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we seek your word and hear whatyou have to say and share it
with the next generation.
Lord, we just praise you forthis blessed time that you've
given us.
I pray for our listeners, Ipray for all those that are
tuning in that they would hearyour voice, that they would
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study your scripture and knowwho you are, that we would
continue to live on mission foryou, jesus Christ, as you have
called us to live for you, lordJesus, and it's in your precious
and heavenly name we pray.
Amen.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yes, Amen, yes,
friends, thank you for tuning in
.
God bless you.
Until next time, be encouraged.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
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