Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (2023) – Rocket's Journey from Trauma to True Hero. Found Family, Healing, and the Heart of the MCU - The Fandom Portals Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to the Fandom Portals Podcast, the podcast
that explores how fandoms canhelp us learn and grow.
Today, I'm here with Mr BrashRackham.
How are you going today, brash?
I am Groot, that was awesome,which is Groot?
for don't do well yourself.
Yeah, not too bad.
That's uh, grutees.
The reason we're talking likethis, everybody, is because we
are doing the guardians of thegalaxy, a volume three today on
the phantom portals podcast.
If you've been keeping up withour social media, this would be

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no surprise to you, because I'vebeen posting lots of things
about that trilogy.
Now, this is a trilogy that isabout some characters that are
still reeling from the loss ofGamora.
Peter Quill rallies his team todefend the universe and save
his best friend, rocket, amission that could end the
Guardians if they're notsuccessful.
Now, this is a very awesomemovie and I'm going to get into
it and tell you everythingthat's going to happen in this
episode, but before we do that,we are going to jump into our

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gratitudes.
Rash, what's your?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
gratitude for the week is actually you.
Oh, I'm grateful for you,especially on your birthday.
Happy birthday for all those.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Thanks, man, Recording date on my birthday.
What better way to spend mybirthday than with a good mate
talking about a great movie?
Oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yes, I'm grateful for you, and it's also for a
selfish reason though, but I'mgrateful for you.
I'm grateful for you because,in a way, you make me better.
So when I had my house madehere, I sort of like having
people around me more constantlyjust makes me better and less
closed in and shut in.

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So like if I'm alone by myselffor a long period of time, I'll
sort of fall into this sort oflike a pit where I I just don't
have the energy or just can'tbother doing things like
cleaning the house becomes likea I'll go do that, I'll do it
tomorrow, I'll do it tomorrow.
I'm like that's not too bad,I'll do it tomorrow.
And then it ends up being outof control.
But with um, like you, uh, whenwe come around to the podcast, I

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can get me excited and I getamped up and I'm more energized
and like I'll zip around andlike it'll take me, like it
takes me like an hour, half anhour, to vacuum the floors.
But if it's just being bymyself, I'm like I can't even
bother doing that.
But like knowing that you'llcome around and I'm like, oh,
I'll clean up and I'll vacuum upand I'll do those things and
it's just.
It gives me energy.
It gives me like it's like avampire.
I'm like it's like being in thelifeblood of it.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, purpose than just getting up, going to work,
coming home and just repeatingthat same cycle.
Yeah, I don't swear often onthis podcast, man, but fuck,
yeah, thanks, man.
That's awesome, that's a goodgratitude, and I appreciate it
because I feel the same wayabout you.
I've been grateful for youbefore.
I'm grateful for you all thetime because you know my life's
up and down, sometimes in termsof flexibility and availability,
and you're always, you know,accommodating for that and we
always have such gooddiscussions on the podcast.
But also, it's just great tohang out in a space that's like
safe.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, because, honestly, I the time we talked
before and like after podcastcould almost be its own podcast,
just yeah, I think so right ifI'm best.
I am grateful for you and forum the opportunities that you
allow us having that well thanks, man.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
I do appreciate that my gratitude this week comes
from, uh, the fact that this isbeing recorded on my birthday,
and I've recently changed rolesin my job and when I did that, I
returned to an old team that Iused to work with and they
remembered my birthday Fromyears ago when I used to work
with them.
They remember my birthday andactually organized a cake and a

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nice little morning tea andthings like that.
So it was really nice to goback and actually be remembered
in that way.
So nice people, good friends.
It's been a really good day,actually like that and then
coming out and doing thispodcast with you and hanging out
even more.
It's just such a good day.
It's awesome times.
I hope you guys listening outthere have a really good day too
, because, yeah, there's lots ofthings to be grateful for and
that's why we love this segment.

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No-transcript, emotionallypowerful.
We're going to look at howmusic in Volume 3 helps you to
connect more deeply with yourcharacters, and we're also going
to look at the impact of grief,trauma and emotional loops on
those characters and what thatsays about their healing.
Lastly, we're going to look atempathy and how it's not just a
theme in this movie.
It's something that you can seedriving every major moment in
the Guardians of the Galaxy allthe way up to Volume 3.
So lots of good things to touchon in this episode.

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Let's get to our call sheetbackspash.
Who directed this movie?
James Gunn, yeah, yeah, yeah,absolutely James Gunn directed
this movie.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Oh my god, is this going to be a trick question.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
No of questions.
James Gunn directed this movie.
He wrote this movie as well,with the help of Jim Stalin and,
obviously, stan Lee being thecreator of Marvel.
It is starring Chris Pratt,bradley Cooper as the famous
voice of Rocket Raccoon, and ithas Chippewa Yuji as the high
evolutionary.
Do you know what the budget was, brash?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I'm always wrong with these stories.
They're way too low.
Oh, you do actually.
Yeah, I always go too low, soI'm going say probably so wrong
as well.
Uh like 300 million, 260million, 250 million 250 million
is correct.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
We'll take your third answer 250 million is
absolutely correct.
Yeah, no, no, that's not toohigh.
250 was pretty much what theygave james gunn.
They kind of gave him a blankcheck on this.
One is what I.
I read whatever he wanted tospend on this one, within reason
, they would let him, obviously,because this was the closing
arc for the characters and theydidn't really need to write any
of these characters into anyfeature movies like the aven
Avengers movies that they had toconsider when they were doing
Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
So James Gunn was free tofinish this story off how he

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wanted and he did it to thesound of $250 million, earning
$846 million.
In opening weekend they got$118 million.
Now that kind of says a littlebit.
And you know, everybody looks atbox office and they kind of
think, oh, you know, it doesn'treally suggest how good or bad a
movie is.
And that's very true,especially for a Marvel movie,
because initially, the hypearound Marvel, the opening
weekend, is always high and tocompare it to something, for

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example, this earned $118million in its opening weekend
and Ant-Man and the WaspQuantumania got $106 million in
its opening weekend.
Now, looking at those two.
They're not too far apart.
However, if word of mouthoccurs and people keep coming to
the movies and this oneGuardians of the Galaxy 3, ended
up earning $846 million,whereas Ant-Man and the Wasp,
quantumania basically bottomedout with only $406 million,

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which is half of what Guardiansearned with the same weekend
amount.
So obviously it is a well-likedmovie, had a lot of good word
of mouth and it is also prettyhighly rated on too.
If you want to come and followus, it is the second highest
rated Marvel movie on Letterboxdafter Infinity War.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I like pretty much all the Marvel movies, because I
don't go into the Marvel moviesgoing.
Alright, this better be exactlyhow it is in comics, because
you're never going to get thatand it's the same universe, it's
the same thing, so you justhave to sort of take the change.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
That's like the new Fantastic Four movie, with
everyone half on a basketball,so far being the female
iteration of which there is asmany iterations of so far so,
yeah, yeah, I think that'sthat's really valid, and I also
think that James Gunn does thatwith his characters too, where
he will see them in the comicbooks and he will use some of
them.
He uses in name and appearanceand abilities only and
everything else surrounding howthey they go on.

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He uses that to fit into thestory, uh, that he wants to tell
.
Now, some of them are obviouslyvery reminiscent of the comic
books, but I feel like jamesgunn had a very unique and
planned vision across histrilogy of guardians of the
galaxy movies, because in thismovie, guardians volume 3, we
learn that this story was uhrockets all along.
And going back and looking andwatching guardians 1 and 2 and
we'll touch on this as we talkin the podcast today you can

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actually see like littlesnippets from those characters
where a re-watch really revealsso much more about what that
character is saying early on inthe film.
And it's a really unique andfun way to make a movie, because
usually the unique, the, theusual way to make a narrative
story is you give all thebackstory first in the
orientation, you move to thecomplication and it ends up uh,
challenging what that characterthought they were, and then they
change on the end of it.
However, in a lot of this movie, we see a lot of our guardians

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in an already fractured state,and I don't mean fractured as in
they're broken physically orsome are in the form of nebula,
but a lot of them are fracturedemotionally, like trauma-wise
yes, and all different kinds oftrauma.
Yeah, yeah, and we'll look atthat a little bit later on in
the pod as well, but right nowwe're going to get into our hot
first takes.
All right, this is the segmentwhere we discuss our first

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thoughts on the media and unpackthe boldest opinions, from what
surprised us to what split theroom.
We'll also highlight your hottakes from threads, instagram
and Reddit.
If you want to get involved inthat, go and check out our show
notes.
Our social medias will be downthere.
You can.
Oh my God, first brush.
I don't give five stars lightlyon Letterboxd, but I gave all
three of these Guardians moviesfive stars.
Favorite Guardians movie.
We had a poll on our threads.
What do you think the favoritemovie from our community was in

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terms of Guardians 1, 2, and 3?
I want to say 1.
It is absolutely 1, with 49% ofthe vote.
Second place is 3 with 35% andthen 16%.
Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
My favorite Guardians of theGalaxy of Galaxy 2.
I know it does suffer a littlebit in the writing in terms of
them having the pigeonholecharacters to fit into the
Avengers roster and things likethat, but I really just love the
themes throughout.

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Guardians 2, in terms of youknow, guardians has always been
stories about really bad dads.
If you look at Guardians 1,there's obviously Yondu, who is
an extremely how we say thisabrasive dad, although he he
does have good intentions andfix it in number two.
And then you've got Ego, who isjust the narcissistic,
egocentric dad, and then Thanos,throughout as well, obviously
being the dad of Nebula andGamora.
And then in this one we've gotthe High Evolutionary, who is a

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creator slash father figure ofRocket, who is also extremely
toxic, but in number two.
I just feel like one of thosebad dads gets a good closing arc
in the form of Yondu, where hetried to do his best a lot of
the time and he says it in thatline that he says you know well,
he may have been your father,but he wasn't your daddy.
And then after that he says I'msorry, I didn't do a lot of it
right and I cry every time.
I watch that, every single time.
I've probably watched it fivetimes and I've watched and cried

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five times because that's sucha relatable feeling and that's
why number two is my favorite.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
What's where they all get together?
But I have to say when Iwatched 3, 3 became my favourite
in 1.
Like it introduced you to.
Like you had the Kree.
It introduced you to sort oflike the Kree with Ronan the
Accuser and the Nova Corps aswell.
We saw a lot of the Nova Corpsand the Nova Corps, which I was
actually hoping we mightactually get a sort of Nova.
But no, no, sneaky mentions ofRichard Rider.

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Yeah, so I love one.
I really like two, but for meit was a bit.
I just couldn't as much as likehow I said before, I try and
take anything from the comicsout of it.
When I watch them it's alldifferent.
I just couldn't get past Egobeing Bill's dad Yep, yeah, and
like, and Mantis being an alienthat E ego stole instead of

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being born on like human justchanged and everything like that
.
And I love Mantis as well.
I reckon she's a fabulouscharacter.
Actually in the comics it'smeant to be a swordsman who's
been in both Hawkeye andDaredevil 3i became my favourite
.
I think it's because of all thetrauma healing that everyone
goes through.
I absolutely love that.
And there's like there's thingsfor everyone, like there's

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heartbreak healing a heartbreakthere's.
There's like Rocket stoppingrunning from his past and
accepting what's happened andmoving forward.
And then there's um Draxrealizing what his future could
be, which we'll go into later.
Yeah, finding like a purposeother than being Drax the
Destroyer, which is mentioned inthe movie by Mantis.
And then Nebula finding herplace with her family and

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finding something that she canbuild herself.
That's not her reconstruction,and like they all have their
moments.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
And they get closure.
Yeah, it's a fun group.
It doesn't really get much.
Yeah, well, for Guardians 2 and3, which is obviously the same
group throughout, and inGuardians 1 that's the different
group, or that Groot's father,or Groot spawn, you might say.
But for the second Groot, hisgrowth kind of occurs.
He's used as a plot device innumber two, as baby Groot

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basically, so the rest of theGuardians can galvanize around
him and there are so manymoments and that's another
reason why I like Guardians 2 isbecause they're all going
through lots of different fatherissues and historically,
through the guardians, we knowthat they all have these farther
issues.
But there's that scene inguardians 2 where peter and
rocket are trying to coach babygroot on how to detonate a bomb,
and it's just such a supportiveenvironment for this little
thing that's obviously mademistakes before about going
trying to get yondu's fin andcoming back with various

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different things, including aseven human thumb.
But he's just made all thesemistakes before, and then
they're still trying to coachhim and teaching on how to
operate this device.
They're trusting him, they'regiving him the time to learn it,
they're giving him multipleattempts, which is what good
teachers do as well.
They offer lots ofopportunities for them to grow
and experience things on theirown.
And even though these twoindividuals of Rocket and Quill
didn't grow up with any kind offather that they could call a
role model, they're stillfathering this young little

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plant boy in the best me.
That's why I love it.
But I think that, like forGroot's growth, his happens
mostly through the Infinity Warand Endgame, where he's that
teenager and learns to take abit more responsibility.
So, and then always sticking byRocket in the third Guardians
movie as well.
But our other poll that we hadup was about who your favorite
original Guardians member was.
Now I know your favorite's,mantis, but she's off the table

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for this one, bro.
So we're going to go withStar-Lord, gamora, rocket or
Drax, who you got, because ourcommunity has a very popular
favorite.
I'll say I'm sort of stuckbetween Rocket and Drax.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
I have to say, with three it'd probably be Rocket,
but Drax would be a close second.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, I think my favorite is also Rocket, with a
very close second being PeterQuill, star-lord, and our
community has 42% of the votefor Rocket, 38% to Star-Lord,
peter Quill and then 11% forGamora, 9% for Drax.
We had a lot of people in thecomments saying Groot was a
favourite as well, but I didn'tinclude Groot in that poll
because there's obviously twodifferent versions of Groot, so

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I made a poll for Groot.
We had the original Groot,which is Baby.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Groot Teenager, groot and Skyward Kaiser City, groot
yeah.
Guardian 3, which I calledSwole.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Groot because he's just yeah, because he's jacked.
He's jacked Especially in thatstinger.
At the end he's just even moregigantic.
And just what do they call him?
Kaju mode?
Yes, I, in terms of him growingvery quickly.
He's almost like a bunch ofreally coiled up vines that have
these plates on the outside ofthem.
I thought that was a reallygreat character design.
But our community, and a lot ofpeople, I think, thought that

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the original Groot fromGuardians 1, the one that
sacrificed himself for the teamand taught Rocket that the team
that he is with is worth givinga crap over.
Basically, the original Grootwas the favorite with.
My favorite is the baby Groot,second to the original Groot,
but I like that people like theoriginal Groot because he has
the same physique that I do.
Yeah, he's tall and long andhas massive arms.

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I love that.
So I think he was definitelythe most emotionally resonant
version of Groot and the line weare.
Groot is like it's synonymouswith connection and family says
that and also is famous forquoting Family and Fast and the
Furious.
It's like he's the guy.
I'm surprised they didn't thinkof family as a man in
Gritsalons.
He could have done that in theend of this movie in Guardians
of the Galaxy 3, when theaudience ends up understanding
him because they're now part ofthe Guardians family, they could

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have said I love this.
Took a little bit away from thatmoment because I know that Vin
Diesel is highly memed forsaying things like yeah, this is
like family family, familyreferences, things, yeah, yeah
it was a very emotional momentbut for me there was just a
little bit in the back of mybrain that said that really
sounds like Dominic Toretto yeah, and I do love how, like in the

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end, like you're able tounderstand, like the not been
able to understand what Chrishas been saying until the end.
Yeah, and I like that as wellbecause it gives her that
distance.
Yeah, exactly which is what weneeded from this.
Gamora watching Guardians 3after the Avengers the two
Avengers movies, because you canwatch Guardians 1 and 2 back to

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back and there's not reallymuch that you're not really
understanding.
But at the end of Guardians 2,when they're all standing there
at Yondu's ravager funeral,peter and Gamora are holding
each other in their arms andthen at the start of number
three, peter's a drunkard innowhere and Gamora has gone off
to be a ravager and he believesthat she's dead.
So if you don't have thatcontext in the middle, it's a
little bit hard to watch thesethree back to back to back.

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Reason, and I think that theywill, but I do agree.
I think that that was a reallynice touch.
And the elevator scene in themovie in Guardians 3, just
giving everybody a speed recapof what happened.
Yeah, yeah, I'll go.
I'll go into it a bit later,but one of my favorite moments
from Peter Quill happens in thatscene.
So, yeah, stick around for thatin the podcast because it's
it's a.
Yeah, it was one of the momentsthat really solidified him as
one of my favorite characters.
All right, our community thoughtGuardians of the Galaxy 3, I

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put up a post that says what didthis movie teach you and the
Infinity Bros?
Isaac from the Infinity Brossaid that family comes in all
shapes and sizes and attitudesas well.
We had Matthew Files that saidanimal abuse is bad, where you
come from doesn't matter, and totreat each other with respect
All very big themes in Guardiansof the Galaxy 3.
And we have Yo Hans Marble saysa movie where it does teach a
good value of family, even ifyou're not blood related.

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So that was our threads.
Yeah, all good texts, all goodtexts, all good texts.
I love those Really great textsfrom our Reddit, our threads
community, our Reddit.
We have Robert19 that says thisfilm was one of Marvel's last
gasps in cinema.
And you know what?
I think everybody goes to aMarvel movie because they do
have that, that grasp on societyat the moment and everybody

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loves to go to the movies to seethe latest in the pop culture
element of Marvel.
I still enjoy Marvel movies.
I don't think the like.
I would say that the qualitybetween Iron man and Endgame,
like that was a really solid run, but it's hard to keep that up
over 10 years.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's a decade worth of yeah and in that time there
were other misses, like Thor 2wasn't overly great, like people
didn't really like Thor 2.
Even I think Iron man 2 wasn'tprobably one of the stronger
ones of the Iron man series ofmovies and yeah.
So I think everyone's got theirown opinions and like there are
a few things and people kepthanging on Disney for being too
woke.

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Which look, which look, I'mfine with it.
Like some parts we leaned intothe wokeness a little bit too
much, but I thought it's allworth like fun, like me.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, same with me.
I think they're entertainingmovies and you don't go in
expecting like a Schindler'sList, or you don't go in
expecting a Godfather Part 1 or2.
You know, you go into a Marvelmovie expecting to be
entertained, and every a Marvelmovie because I love the
characters.
I think that they still havesome pretty good things that we
can learn from those movies andyou know it's good to see the

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community rally around things,especially when there are other
not so nice things that theycould be rallying around.
So I think that this as a formof entertainment is okay, and
also for kids there.
There is a lot that people canlearn from superhero movies,
especially kids, who love thesekinds of movies as well.
Probably not a kids movieGuardians of the Galaxy 3,
though I would say.
I think a lot of the peoplethat went to the cinema with
their kids this one inparticular probably got a little

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bit of a shock because, yes,there is some adult themes,
scary scenes that probablywouldn't go down very well with
anyone younger than I'd say,like 12 or 13,.
Even that's probably young.
I think about the time that Iwould show this to my son and,
yeah, 12, 13, I think it'd bethe youngest.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, that's what I reckon.
They'd be able to understand ita little bit more.
Yeah, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
All right, we have Matt's tutor and cook says the
female characters can beinteresting and formidable if
written and acted that way.
Ne, Gamora and Mantis stood outin this movie to me as being
the most interesting evolutionsof characters.
Mantis went from a glass cannonto an actual threat to whole
security teams and I thinkthat's a very poignant point

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because all three of thesefemale characters in terms of
Nebula, Gamora and Mantis theyhave really strong character
arcs.
They are leaders in their ownright as well and not only do
they show physical strength butemotional strength as well in
terms of the growth that they gothrough through their traumas.
But Mantis especially heremotional strength and her
ability to empathically linkwith the entire team is the best
part of her character.
But she's also shown inGuardians 3 to be an actual

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powerhouse as well.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Oh yeah, and, like in the comic, she's also a massive
powerhouse and a very, just, avery strong character overall,
being as though she's I don'tknow what she's meant to be
called.
What was she called?
I don't know if she's meant tobe human, but she was picked as
a priestess and if ever there'sa player playing the game, you
meet her in the game and she'salready done her or become the
priestess of the game.
Seeing her doing more inGuardian 3 was absolutely

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fantastic, because Hermes is oneof the ones who makes 2 better
for me.
Yep, with her, just herinteractions with the other
Guardians.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Celestial Madonna she becomes a Celestial Madonna and
, yeah, and like her powers endup transforming that, she can
even like see the future yeah,she gets a bit of precognition
yeah, yeah, I believe I'm gladthat they made her stand out
more in three, because I love, Ilove it okay yeah, we'll go
through her arc a little bitlater on as well in the podcast,
but I I think that yeah, she's,she's handled very, very well.

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So I think maths tutor and cookon our reddit has got an
insightful comment that thefemale characters in this movie
are written and created very,very well.
We have david dude guy says ittook cruelty to animals to a
whole new level and ruins theentire movie for me and they
went on to say that there was anoveremphasis of showing
procedures done to Rocket in themovie.
We saw the same thing done toLogan and to Deadpool, but these
movies made their point andmoved on.
In Guardians they showed ascene of it and it went on and

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on, and on, and on.
Now I don't know if I agree withDavid Dugan on this one,
because I think that obviouslyanimal cruelty is a throughout
this movie.
James Gunn has gone on recordto say that he loves animals
across his Twitter and he wantedto make that prominent through
this movie.
And also I think it waspertinent to Rocket's arc to
show exactly why he ended upbeing as cold and closed off as
we meet him in Guardians 1.
I think it's.

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It's not cruelty.
I think it's showing depth tothe character, but also I think
the issue of is something thatyou know.
You can foreground it and seewhat is happening to these
creatures and that is a good wayto get people to advocate for
it.
And I think burying your headin a sand about an issue like
that is how it happens for solong, but enough.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I agree with David Dugan on that one, yeah, and the
cruelty that Rocket goesthrough is, I believe, necessary
to both the Guardiansthemselves, especially when
later on, when they actually areable to get past the end or
when they're able to look intoRocket and see what he's been
through, and even to Nebula'spoint where she says this is
worse than what Thanos put methrough, just emphasizes how

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much because the past threemovies you've seen bits of the
Rocket slip out and he sort ofhides his trauma behind his
sarcasm and his yeah hardexterior and them all seeing
what he went through as a babyraccoon just horrified all of
them.
And James Gunn really wantedhis villain in the Five

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Evolutionary to not be not havethe audience sympathize with.
Yep, they didn't want anysympathize like hey, sympathize
with Thanos, like some peoplewere like well, he's kind of
correct they didn't want that.
They wanted someone.
They wanted the height ofevolutionary character to be
this cruel and just absolutelydetestable villain that no one

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can sympathize with.
Mission accomplished, oh, 100and I.
That's why I believe, like Ijust said, like the cruelty was
a necessity to show off just howevil this villain was and the
lengths he would go through goto to create what his vision was
, when his vision in the firstplace is just flawed yeah, I
100% agree.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I think that he is a truly detestable villain and it
juxtaposes well with the themesthat the high evolutionary is
trying to portray through thismovie in creating the perfect
society, along with theportrayal of nowhere, which I
think that putting those twothings together is perfect.
And then coupling it withRocket's arc and seeing how
absolutely cruel this individualcan be really made us as an
audience sympathize with Rocket,but then made the characters

(22:39):
empathize with Rocket, which isthe whole point of the movie.
And that brings me to our nextRedditor's comment, arclight50,
who says they learned that itwas possible to have Gunn's
sensibility and still have afilm rooted deeply in empathy,
to be able to explore reallycomplex topics like guilt, grief
and trauma, while stilldelivering a rollicking and fun
movie.
And that was probably thecomment from the community that
I agreed with the most.
I think that Gunn really hasthis ability to tell a good

(23:00):
story.
He's a phenomenal storytellerand when he's given the chance
to write it across three moviesand doing it within the sandbox
of the MCU, I give him even moreprops for, because sometimes
they can dictate a lot of whatyou can and cannot do with a
character, but he stuck to hisvision.
He stuck to his guns.
He appealed to their betternature as Star-Lord says in the
movie as well to talk to thecorporate shills and he told the
story that he wanted to telland in doing so he did tackle

(23:22):
those really complex topicsthrough characters that
everybody has fallen in lovewith.
I think the Guardians trilogyis highly rated from one, two
and three.
I think the worst Guardiansmovie is definitely way better
than some of the best othermovies in a trilogy.
So I think this stands above,and we might talk about it as we
end our podcast, but I'm prettyexcited in complete creative
control.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, all right, that's going to be pretty good
Fantastic.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
I think so too.
All right, with our community'svoice being shared in our hot
takes, let's move on to ourFandom Fact Face-Off.
All right, this is our FandomFact Face-Off, where hosts go
head-to-head with trivia aboutthe focus media.
We learn new facts along theway.
The host with the least pointsat the end of the month loses
and has to take the winner on anall-expenses-paid trip to the

(24:06):
movies.
However, this month we're doingsomething different, having a
marvel team up where us, ashosts, need to collect 15 points
to send a lucky listener to themovies into this giveaway.
All you have to do is go to ourwebsite, which is
wwwfandomportalspodcastcom.
You have to sign on to ouremail list and, as we said
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We only send you one email amonth with some updates, and
you'll be the first one to findout about all of our giveaways.
So head on over and sign on tothis month's giveaway at

(24:28):
wwwphantomportalspodcastcom.
Brash together as a team.
We've got 11 points across twoweeks, so we could actually hit
15 today.
I will start our questions off.
Are you ready?
Okay, this movie almost didn'thappen because in 2018,
something happened to a veryimportant person related to this
movie that almost had itlooking completely different.

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Do you know what that was?

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Bradley Cooper wasn't going to be the voice of Rocket
Wrecking.
I'm just joking.
I'm just joking.
Would this be the James Gunnincident?
It would be.
He would have dredged upbullshit from many, many years
ago and use that to try and makehim out to be a really bad
villain because he saidsomething dumb at some point yes
, who hasn't said something dumbat some point in their lives?

Speaker 1 (25:07):
unfortunately, james gunn said it on the internet
whether people can dig it up,and they did so in the era that
cancelling people was popular.
So in july of 2018 that jamesgunn was actually removed from
directing guardians of thegalaxy 3, and it was indeed due
to those controversial tweetsthat resurfaced.
However, there was so muchbacklash over 400 000 signatures
on a petition from the publicand also Chris Pratt, zoe
Saldana and Dave Bautistapublicly supporting Gunn Dave

(25:28):
Bautista actually threateningnot to be in the movie unless
Gunn was a part of it theydecided to reinstate him, which
is a bit of a backslide that'suncommon in Hollywood.
Usually, if they make a choicelike that, they stick to the
Gunns.
Yeah, I love how much we saidthat they stick to the Gunns and
, yeah, I think that they wereall the better for it because in
the meantime actually, whenGunn was let go from his
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 movie,he picked up a DC movie which
was the Suicide Squad to go anddirect and, as a result of that,

(25:49):
they actually made him thedirector of DC after that.
So it was almost like Marvel didthe absolute worst thing, or
Disney-Marvel did the worstthing possible, because they
opened the door for him toexplore other options and
avenues, which ended up with himhelming the DCU now.
So it's crazy how those sillylittle PR decisions can have
such big ramifications, andthat's why I picked this one as
a trivia question, because Ithought that was just so
interesting.
But it's really also probablyone of the most unusual director

(26:11):
comebacks in MCU history or anydirector history at all.
As well.
Glad he came back as a thirdinstallment.
Really ticked off all the boxesfor the trilogy.
Batista is Bane, batista ishe's Bane Team.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I'd take it, not Spanish, but yeah yeah,
absolutely, he's not Luchador,but it's fine All right your
question, my question, whichactually comes off the back of
your question yes, so when JamesGunn was let go of his position
, they were still going to usesomething of his for the movie?
What was?
Were they still going to usehis script?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Sort of script?
Yeah, sort of.
I would like my clue.
It's something before thescript is screen.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Test his screen, his computer generated effects, his
screen play, his screenplay.
So the little drawings thatthey do up to try and test that
out like to make sort of likethe it's the blueprint of how
the movie is going to shape.
Um, they were going to use thatstill as the basis of the movie
.
Really, they'll get jakey idea,just run with it and just write
their own scripts and back it.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, you know what, though I don't think it would
have landed, because it's almostlike following a famous chef's
recipe you can have theinstructions written down for
you, you follow them perfectly.
But the thing that makes thebest souffle is love when
cooking that souffle, and Ithink James's poured a lot of
his own griefs and traumas intolittle bits of these characters,
and because they're little bitsof him he cares so much.
But he also can fully retellthem and fully create them in

(27:29):
the most visceral way possible.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
So I don't think, even with the same screenplay,
it would have ended up as beingsuccessful as it was no, because
they had to write the script,so everything that was written
probably would have beendifferent.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
So interactions between saying and then moving
different, how the actorsprobably moving different, like
yeah, I think he has such areally good way of of writing
dialogue as well, because notonly were a lot of the scenes in
the Guardians of the Galaxyboth either really funny, like
they make, after years of notwatching Guardians 1 and going
back and watching, I actuallylaughed again at a movie I'd
seen many, many times, so thedialogue is actually funny and

(27:59):
not such a comic book or campything to say.
I think it's really groundeddialogue for the space opera
setting that it's in, and thatis a really hard thing to do.
A lot of screenwriters andscriptwriters say that it is so
hard to write authentic dialogue, and James Gunn is able to do
that as well, so I think thatalso comes back to knowing the
character so well.
All right, so I don't know if Iget that because I had so many
guesses.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I mean, look, I just needed some help.
You didn't get to the rightlike you knew what.
You knew what I meant.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yes, all right, so we have 13 points, which means we
need two more before ouraudience member gets a family
pass to the movies.
Okay, I am going to talk thistime about so for this question,
james Gunn used a technique incinema which is called diegetic
something, and basically what itmeans is that a technique that
is usually used for only theaudience.

(28:47):
In a diegetic film, it is usedfor the characters in the movie
to experience as well as theaudience to experience.
Do you know what James Gunn didwith this diegetic?

Speaker 2 (28:58):
blank.
Yeah, probably should have paidmore attention when I did, when
I went to film school, do you?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
want to clear.
Yes, please, okay.
So this element of James Gunn'smovies is prominent through
Guardians 1, 2, and 3.
It is a very famous element ofthe Guardians of the Galaxy
trilogy and I think that notonly did a lot of people buy the
movie or the DVD or the Blu-rayor go to the movies to see it,
but they also bought this otheritem which is part of the
diegetic element that I'mtalking about the soundtrack.

(29:25):
It is the soundtrack.
Yes, so diegetic soundtrackmeans that not only the audience
can hear the music but thecharacters in the movie.
Yeah, that's diegeticsoundtracks.
So basically the Zune gifted toQuill at the end of Guardians
of the Galaxy Vol 2.
James Gunn personally selectedthose tracks, spending multiple
decades, that the audience couldhear but the characters could
also hear as well.
And the best part about Ingardis the Galaxy Volume 3.
I mean the Awesome Mix.

(29:47):
Volume 1 is probably the mostpopular Awesome Mix, but to me I
think the Awesome Mix Volume 3is the best in terms of the way
that it functions as astorytelling device, because in
the first instance of this movieyou hear that song Creep by.
That just purely sets the scenefor Rocket Raccoon.
So when we're talking aboutcreep.
You know there are a couple oflines that I've picked out here
that I want to tell you about.
So the first lines in that song, creep, is when you were here

(30:09):
before couldn't look you in theeye, and immediately we're given
a shot of Rocket Raccoon's eyes.
But also we get that sense ofhis unworthiness, his struggles
with vulnerability and that factthat he really resists want to
feel close to anybody in theinstance that they might be
taken away.
So he feels out of place, evenamongst lots of people on
Nowhere.
You see him walking alone andthen you see him casually
singing some of the lines youknow I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo,

(30:34):
what the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here.
These are all lines of Rocket'sinternal monologue and it's put
to the forefront for us to see.
And also here James Gunn isbasically telling us this is the
tale that is being told, and tobe able to perfectly pick a
song to relate to a characterand put it into a movie is just
talent.
I love that.
And then later on in the movie,at the very end of Rocket's arc,
when he goes through all hisdrama and he feels better, he
plays the Dog Days Are Over byFlorence and the Machine, and
that is a song that is about aperson who goes through a lot of
bad things and is faced withunfathomable happiness and then

(30:56):
can't help but be happy becauseof it are over, the dog days are
done, but the suffering and thesorrow is over.
And in that incident you seeRocket and Groot dancing with
one another because they justcan't help to be happy.
They're around everybody.
They're around everybody thatthey love.
They've gone through variousdifferent traumas and they've
healed from them or they'vemoved forward together.
And just that way that helayers this soundtrack and the

(31:16):
songs that he picks into thisdiegetic soundtrack is masterful
.
Always great to hear James GunnMusic soundtrack compilation.
But that means we've got 14points, which means one more.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I have a question.
Guardians of the Galaxy broke arecord.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
What was it, or any more information?
They set a record.
Is this in terms of, like amovie record, or did it
influence people to do somethingkind of record?

Speaker 2 (31:35):
No, no, no, it was a movie record, not only one that
they won an award for an awardshow, award for an award show,
but it's like, it's like a gamesport.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Oh, I do know this one.
They had the most uses ofprosthetics in any movie
whatsoever yeah, maybe made ittoo easy.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yes, no, that was it damn, maybe made it too easy no,
I just read a lot.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
That was a good one.
It almost slipped my mind too.
But yeah, especially thosescenes on counter earth where
you see the people meshed withanimals, yeah, those are all
prosthetically made and you know, looking at them, that's
probably I hate to say it, butit's probably the least strong
element of the movie for me islooking at those prospects,
because some of them look alittle bit dinky.
But I think it fits becauseobviously the high evolutionary
seeking perfection and he hasn'tgot it yet yeah, he's looking

(32:14):
at all these individuals andthinking that they're not quite
where he wants them to be andthat's why he rinses and repeats
and redoes and incinerateseverything as he goes.
But but yeah, I thought what abrilliant effort by a production
crew to make that many costumesand prosthetics and a cast of
extras as well, to undergo thatamount of makeup and hair on a
daily basis.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, that would be a grueling task to have to sit
there and get that kind ofprosthetics for you 100%.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Alright, so that means our Emily gets to go to
the movies because we've got 15points, but we're still going to
play the end of our FandomFacts face-off, even though
we've got our prize.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
I really wanted to draw that and make it last the
next week, but oh well, no,that's all good.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I think that's great.
It means that people candefinitely go on and sign on to
the giveaway now.
If you go towwwfandompodcastcom, sign on to
our emailing list.
The Guardians of the Galaxymovie Guardians of the Galaxy 3,
really emphasized a particularaspect of this movie, and by

(33:07):
that I mean that all thetrailers and the promotional
material really emphasized thefact that something was
happening, and to the pointwhere even cast members were
confirming multiple timesthrough multiple interviews that
this would be happening interms of this Guardians movie in
the MCU.
Do you know what theyemphasised as part of their
marketing campaign?

(33:28):
That'll be the last one.
Yes, I thought that was hard.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
But yes, exactly Because that was my.
If that wasn't the right answer, then I would have no idea what
it was, because I honestlybarely saw any of the trailers
because I was trying not tospoil myself, so I barely
watched all the marketing.
But I assume that they'repushing to something.
The only thing they can reallypush would be the fact that it's
the last one.
Even though they said Star-Lordwill return, the Guardians will
return, at the end of thesecond one or the end of the

(33:51):
first one, they said that andthen this one is just the
Star-Lord.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
The legendary Star-Lord will return, even to
the point where the main movieposter said once Throughout all
of the press interviews they hada confirmation from James Gunn
that he said this would be hislast Marvel project and given
what he had to go through to getit done, I don't blame him.
Dave Bautista said he wouldn'treturn for any more future MCU
installments and he wouldn'treturn as Drax.
He says in quotes.
I'm completely closed to it.

(34:14):
Unless James Gunn asked himdirectly, he thinks that Drax's
arc is fully closed.
Zoe Saldana said that she'salso leaving the Marvel
franchise and won't be back, andChris Pratt has also said that
he would continue as Star-Lordif Marvel respects Gunn's vision
for the character, which is, Ihope, he's very particular about
that.
And the thing that I thought wasinteresting was it said the
legendary Star-Lord would return, and this Star-Lord only really

(34:38):
referred to himself asStar-Lord.
But in the comics the legendaryStar-Lord is actually in
reference to some othercharacters as well.
It's the mantle of Star-Lord,in which Kitty Pryde also takes
the mantle of Star-Lord for awhile, and we know the mutants
are coming in the MCU, soperhaps Star-Lord could come to
us in a different way.
So Star-Lord will return insome manner.
Whether it's Chris Pratt'sStar-Lord, we're not too sure.
But I think that if we don't seethe Guardians in any form ever

(34:59):
again in the MCU, I'll be quitehappy because I think that the
arcs are closed in asatisfactory way for me.
I think that all the charactersthere's none that I'm
questioning, nothing that'sreally left open for me to think
.
I want to see more of what'sgoing to happen to that person.
But yeah, the final chapter ofthis version as a team was
definitely foregrounded in themarketing.
That finality was foregroundedbecause they emphasized that
perhaps there'd be characterdeaths in a lot of the trailers.

(35:21):
It had Rocket Raccoon sayinghis famous line of I don't have
a big lifespan anyway and italso, you know, foregrounded
those goodbyes and the legaciesand all that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
So I don't know people like die when they're 50
why would you even be born?
Yeah, there's like people whodie not 50.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, that was just like layer upon layer of
personal cuts.
But, yeah, I think it createdthat atmosphere of closure and
that resonated with the fans andas a result of that, they were
like, okay, we've got to seethis through to the end.
So they came to the last part.
But yeah, we got it.
So that is 16 points.
We're just going above andbeyond here.
Your last question, Brash.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
My last question Okay , technology, and one of the
biggest parts of that wasactually built for this movie.
Do you know what was actuallybuilt for this movie?

Speaker 1 (36:10):
They were using CGI or the big green screen effects.
Was it Nowhere, like the set ofNowhere was a closed set.
No, no, this thing was fourstories high.
Was it the high evolutionaryship?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
No, was it, though?
Was it the Bowie?
It was the Bowie, bro.
The Bowie was.
They built the Bowie, and itwas a four-story physical set.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Physical set.
I think.
If we're ranking the Guardiansships, I think the Bowie is
definitely my favourite and thenthe OG Milano.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, og.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Milano.
Yeah, the Benatar in theAvengers movies.
That was to those two, but Ilove the way that it spun and,
yeah, and the way that itdislodged the three different
compartments.
Yeah, what a ship, what abanger man.
That's such a good ship.
But I also know that the set ofNowhere was built as a closed
set because in the first movie,if you see Guardians 1, it
seemed really expansive.
There were lots of mining cartscoming through, lots of spinal

(36:57):
fluid everywhere.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Now set.
But yes, it was.
No, it wasn't quite the bigfour-story set that their ship
was.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, I kind of like that they.
They narrowed it down to just afew city streets of nowhere
because it felt kind of cozy,which is what we wanted for the
guardians home base, and wewanted to feel kind of cozy.
All right, let's get to our mvt.
Our most valuable takeaway isthe heart and soul of this
podcast, where we break down theone thing that hit the hardest,
stuck on us or taught ussomething new from what we just
watched.
It is our moment to spotlightthe takeaway that made us think,
feel or see things differently.
This is what we learned fromGuardians of the Galaxy, volume

(37:27):
3.
Rash, we had a little bit of achat about this one, because we
do our MVTs together now and weboth agreed that from this one
we learned that empathy andfound family is used through
this movie to overcome trauma,loss and grief.
That what are your thoughts onthat?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
So for me, should we talk about go straight into our
characters, or do you want totalk about the movie first?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
I think we'll talk a bit generally now and then we
will dive into our characters interms of this MVT a little bit
later, like in big detail.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Well, the whole premise of this movie, I think,
is about overcoming differenttraumas and loss and fears and
helping each other out, becausein a way how in the first movie
at the end really brings themtogether.
In the second one you want tosacrifice and pete's almost
death, sort of, and mantiscoming into it and being that

(38:13):
sort of empath herself, sort ofbrings them all together to
fight.
Uh, help peter overcome his uhdaddy issues and sort of, and
that sort of solidified everyoneeven more.
Then with infinity war, thatsort of gotified everyone even
more.
Then with Infinity War, thatsort of got a bit shattered, oh
yeah, with people disappearingbecause of the snap, and then
with Gamora's death with Peter,it sort of took everything that

(38:35):
they'd built and just shatteredit, with even the ones that are
still trying to be trying tosolidify the team having a hard
time doing so.
And I think what this film?
But for being the maincharacter, he's sort of not in
it yeah as himself.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, the secret main character.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
He's the main character, because everyone is
as much as they're broken.
They're sort of using his, orthey're using the fact that they
have to try and save him as thecatalyst to try and solidify
their group again yeah, and savethemselves from their own stuff
too.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Exactly, save the rocket, save the world, that
kind of thing exactly yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
So, yeah, save the rocket, save the guardians and
um and then, but then you alsoum, which I think rocket was
such a perfect choice for this,because then you also had
flashbacks of rockets, able toget the flashbacks of rockets
past and what he went through.
But in a way, you're gettingthe teams try and work together
because rocket I, I believe, outof all of them was still the
most stuck, yeah, in his loop,in his trauma loop because he

(39:34):
already, um, he already he, hewas still, he didn't get snapped
away.
He was there through that wholetime and sort of everyone, and
then when they got everyone back, like that, realistically for
him would have like been goodthing.
That's why I think him andnebula sort of, were the, the,
the sort of ones trying to holdeverything together on nowhere
at the start.
And so if, say, rocket wasn'tthe one who was injured, I don't

(39:55):
think it'd have the same impactthan trying to save someone
else, yes, especially forNebula's arc, which we will go
into a little bit later.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
But I think that the empathy side of it as well is
right throughout the wholetrilogy.
But in this movie especially,empathy serves as the main
difference between between theGuardians and the High
Evolutionary.
They're all like.
The Guardians are all trying tobe better people.
They're all trying to perfectthemselves, so to speak, in the
best manner that they can seethem doing that, and so is the
High Evolutionary.
He is also trying to perfecthumanity.

(40:23):
However, the missing ingredientis the fact that the Guardians
are doing it through empathy andunderstanding of one another's
strengths and weaknesses,whereas the High Evolutionary is
void of empathy completely.
He doesn't care if his subjectslive or die.
He's happy to incinerate themat a, at a glance he will move
from one planet to the other andleave his creations to dust.
He has no care whatsoever aboutthe feelings of anybody, to the

(40:44):
point where we see himemotionally manipulating rocket,
really, because he has thesemoments of of tenderness, you
might say, where they conversingabout music or science or
reaching for the stars andhaving that really sort of close
talk.
But the high evolutionary isdoing it to achieve a goal or a
purpose from Rocket.
It's more like a test.
Yeah, and Rocket's looking atthat and seeing it as an

(41:05):
empathetic connection becausehe's such a kind and caring and
open being at that point and Ithink that that value of empathy
and the found family within theGuardians is absolutely central
to them.
Overcoming trauma that theycame with because they were all
broken when they arrived at theGuardians.
Loss when they are within theGuardians because they lose

(41:26):
members as well Gamora Yonduoriginal group as well and then
the grief of going through thatas well.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
So I think with that mvt did you have anything more
to add or do you want to go intocharacters now?
Um, yeah, just on the part ofum rockets being manipulated, I
did like how I've noticed thatum, you know, stress movie when
you get kind of keep coming backto the flashbacks, like the
first sort of thing you see,like you see the high which you
grab out rocket, but you don'tactually see the actual face of
him.
Yeah, well, you don't see theum, the painful procedure at
first, and then you see him.
You see him up with you.
It does look a bit messed upbecause it's so dark.

(42:01):
It's hard to really show.
It doesn't really show likejust how extensive his implants
that work.
And then the next thing you haveis that nice one where him and
I have high evolution.
He's going on his lap, well,he's doing the math and they
puzzles, talking about how bluethe sky is and it seems like a
really happy moment.
But then as you go along andevery time you go back to a
flashback you can actually seeit break down like the

(42:21):
illusionary wall of this beinglike a great place.
So when they go in and Rockettells them about the subject and
what went wrong, why it's soangry.
You see him use not properpronunciation and grammar and
the high version.
He snaps at him and correctshim Yep.
And so that's your sort offirst glimpse of him being a
perfectionist.
And then, after the second time, you see him being aggressive

(42:45):
when he tries to discern howRocket knew what was going on
like what the problem was Ofaggression.
Yeah, and every time you see himgetting taken back to his cage
with the other you see that onewearing the plain tag, which I
feel bad for Tiefs becauserealistically he kind of flipped
through those cabanas.
The cage actually slowlyexpanded.
He actually started to seewhere it was more sort of dark.
On the outside you couldn't seeanything.

(43:06):
You start actually seeing othercages in the background and
realize that they're just thesetest subjects stuck in these
dreary cages and there's morelike animals, other test
subjects around them, and as itprogresses along it's sort of
like the fog of war.
Yeah, good point.
It starts to expand out and herocket, starts to see more and
more and more until he's like,until he sees who the high

(43:28):
evolutionary really is and it'slike, oh shit, this is not a
good place.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
No, it's not a good place, and they're also not
going to the good place.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
They're not going to the good place, they're going to
be exterminated.
But his brain is like, ah, weneed to leave, and I did love
that With each flashback, thevisage of this nice high
evolutionary sort of is unmaskedto who he really is.
Unmasked do who he really isand the um, the place that

(43:58):
they're in slowly start to seeand it expands out to be oh,
this is a storage container fullof just test subjects yeah, I
think that's really good becauseit also mirrors the audience's
awareness.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
So the character's awareness mirrors the audience's
awareness through thattechnique of using the darkness.
That's a really good likeobservation on that as well,
because he definitely does.
And I think that, in terms ofyour observation that the High
Evolutionary starts to snap atRocket, I feel like he's okay
with Rocket until he realizesthat Rocket learns the solution
to the equation of theaggressive mutants before he

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does and he's always saying howdid you know that I created you
and how did you know that?
And then the High Evolutionarygoes through this point where he
becomes so nasty about it,where he eventually tells Rocket
that he's not going to the goodplace, and then he's vindictive
and nasty and cruel andspiteful comment to Rocket is oh
, you couldn't figure that out,but you could figure out the
fact that all these creaturesthat is such a like a Just to

(44:50):
make himself feel like thesmarter.
Yeah, superior in the room.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Superior being, yeah, yeah and I think Because
everyone has to be below him.
He has to be the it's in hisname the high evolutionary, like
he himself thinks of himself asthe highest form of evolution,
trying to create the highestform of evolution yeah, when
realistically he was just aforward person doing cool things
.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, and, as Rocket said, you know he was just never
happy with the world the waythat it was.
And in that same vein, if we'retalking about how high he
actually thinks he is, you knowthere was that moment where they
say there is like for goodnessor for God's sake, and he says
there is no.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
God, that's why I stepped in.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
So he's even posturing himself as above the
high and mighty.
And I think that that's reallywell coupled in this movie where
his slow breakdown is occurringmovie.
Where his slow breakdown isoccurring but also Rocket and
the audience think of him asthis higher, godly figure.
And you'll notice at the startwhere the hand comes in the cage
and it's just an ominous hand.
It's like the hand of God orthe hand of fate coming in to
choose Rocket's fate and it'sjust a faceless hand that comes

(45:44):
in and picks him and that'salmost like that element of the
higher power coming in.
And it also couples well withLila's comment when Rocket says
you know, what purpose do wehave?
We weren't even meant to behere.
The guy that created us wasjust going to throw us away.
We've got no purpose at all.
And then Lila says that linewhere she says there are the
hands that made us and there arethe hands that guide the hands.
So it's insinuating the factthat this guy postures himself

(46:08):
as a creator but in actual fact,your destiny and your path is
beyond him.
Exactly, fact, your destiny andyour path is like on him.
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
I think that, like we were goingto talk about high evolutionary
later, but I think that that'sreally well covered it there,
because I think he also has thiselement of of growth in terms
of counter earth and nowhere andthe difference between those
two societies.
Because if we're talking aboutthe high evolutionary and the

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way that he perceives theperfect world, it's in his.
He's creating what he perceivesto be perfect and that's not out
of any kind of concern forhumanity to make it perfect.
It comes out of a concern forcontrol, or him.
So he, as Rocket said, isunhappy with the world the way
that it is, so he needs to be incontrol of how it looks.
And because he has no control,he does everything he can to all
the creatures that he can totry and exact that amount of

(46:51):
control.
So he feels secure, which iswhy, when you're looking at the
difference between his societyof counter-earth that he
perceives as perfect and nowhere, where all of the individuals
there are literally a ragtaggroup of nobodies pitched
together from all differentspecies across the galaxy
however, they're allowed theirself-expression, they're allowed
their freedoms to do what theychoose and they feel welcomed

(47:11):
and comforted in their space.
And that's where we went backto that MVT of empathy, and
that's the difference in termsof the society as well, with
nowhere everybody's welcome,whereas in Counter-Earth you
must fit the perfect mold.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
I also love the fact that sort of ironic that he
wants Rocket Raccoon becauseRocket's brain like Rocket's his
first creation that was able tothink or have new ideas, where
all of his wants blindly followhim and don't have any new ideas
, and that's why he wantsRocket's brain, so his new
creations have new ideas.
So in reality he's justcreating normal life, so he's
not actually going to becreating anything that's not

(47:46):
already created.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Or nothing that will sustain beyond himself.
It'll only be as intelligent ashe is.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
It will only be as emotionally capable as he is
that's what he has created, andhe wants rocket so they can
create, because the rocket wasone who was able to fix all that
problem.
So he wants to create life thatwill have a think of new ideas
and learn new things and do newthings.
But that's what sort of peoplealready do who really, really,
really.
He just and I think that's, andI think that's what would

(48:14):
happen if he was was to getrocket and get that brain and
create these beings who wereable to think for themselves and
think, oh, new things and donew things and create new things
.
He'd absolutely hate that,because it's basically just
doing a full circle to what,what we already have?

Speaker 1 (48:28):
yeah, I think.
I think he's definitely, as wesaid before, one of the most
detestable villains in the MCU,because he was written with no
redeeming qualities and I thinkthat that was important for
Rocket's growth.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, he sacrifices everything just for Rocket.
And then when they're like, hey, we need to back out, we need
to regroup, we need to go to thenew planet, it's like, no, I'm
not leaving without Rocket andends up losing everything
because of it.
All of that singular obsession,everything because of that, all
of that singular obsession.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
All right, let's get to our character spotlight.
We dive into our standoutcharacters from the movie.
We pick our favorite charactersand take a closer look at how
they evolve through the story.
We break down the character'sjourney and give a personal take
on why this character deservesyour attention.
Crash off the characters in theGuides of the Galaxy, volumes 1
, 2, and 3.
We're going to start off withRocket Raccoon.
Obviously, his arc with RocketRaccoon obviously His arc is
titular for the whole trilogy.
He evolves from this defensive,angry loner and goes into this

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true leader and hero.
And when people are goingthrough spaces like that, when
they're going through trauma,when we're looking at that at
schools and things like that,they usually sit in four
categories.
So there's the victim, thesurvivor, the advocate and then
the hero.
And when we are introduced toRocket in Volume 1 of Guardians
of the Galaxy, he's sitting inthat survivor mentality there.
So he sits in that survivormentality because he's got these

(49:41):
defense mechanisms where hepushes people away when he's
hurt.
He's got this resentment andthis guilt.
So resentment of himself butalso resentment for what
happened to him.
But he's also got thatresentment and that guilt of not
being able to save and leavingbehind his first found family of
Lila, tiefs and Floor, andbecause of that he basically
froze in that moment and you canalmost see it as well because

(50:01):
it's animated so well becauseyou know, bradley Cooper does
such a great job of voice acting.
When his found family is killed, when Lila is shot by the High
Evolutionary and then Tiefs andFloor is shot behind him as a
result of him trying to escape,the scream that he lets out in
that moment is obviously theimpact of that trauma occurring.
As he runs away and gets in theship and he has that moment of
safety and he has that minute toactually process what happens,

(50:23):
you can see a shift that happensin that raccoon's eyes like
you'll see him be immediatelyfearful and then, as he's
turning the ship to sort ofescape and go into the
atmosphere, you see his eyesalmost like hardened and his
expression harden and that wasthe moment he completely closed
off.
And we get that through scenesin volume one.
But we also get little hintsabout what happened to him in
volume one.

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So there's that scene where hesays I didn't ask to be made, I
didn't ask to be pulled apartand put back together all these
times and he says that in amoment of drunkenness and he
hates being called vermin and hehates being called a pet and he
hates being called a raccoon,because he hasn't fully
consolidated his own trauma andhis own origin.
It's like he remembers how thehigh evolutionary used to talk
to him when people talk to himlike that.
So he's still in that sort ofsurvival sense where this

(51:05):
triggers are still really,really sharp and the trauma is
still so raw.
So he's sort of sitting in thatspace of you know um victim but
also in that survivor too.
I think that it's also presentand we get a little bit of
information as well when he goesto break out of prisons.
And that's like a weird caveatfor me for prisons, because you
know he says I've broken out of22 prisons before.
But in your head you'rethinking maybe he got so good at
that because he couldn't breakhis friends out of the first

(51:26):
prison in the first place.
But that's a skill that's fedby guilt that he's developed
over time as well.
And he hides things with humorand sarcasm.
And I love the scene inGuardians Volume 2 where Yondu
calls him out because he says Iknow who you are boy, because
you're me, you know you pusheverybody away at the first sign
of love because it reminds youof the hole you have in your
heart that's just empty.

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And I think for Rocket, seeingthat in somebody else really
made him A bond with Yondu.
But B through that whole secondmovie he's been an absolute
grump.
Like Rocket is stealingbatteries that he doesn't need
because he's trying to get intothese adversarial situations
with the Guardians because he'sstarting to feel really
connected to them afterGuardians 1, he's trying to find
a reason for them to push himaway.
Yeah, and Qu to him as well.

(52:10):
He's like do you want everybodyto hate you here because you're
doing a good job?
And Rocket just sort of sulksabout that because he doesn't
want that.
He wants to be loved, he wantsto be connected, he wants to
have that found family again.
But he's afraid to.
He's afraid of what happenswhen he loses them.
Yeah, and you can see that he'sstill fighting for it because
those different sort of spacejumps in order to go and get

(52:31):
them.
I think he also has thatreaffirmed.
When Yondu falls, I think Rocketsees that okay, another one is
gone.
And then again, as we discussedbefore, during Infinity War and
Endgame, where he starts tosort of take on that
responsibility role, but almostmoving toward that advocate role
as well, because he doesn'treally hide from his pain so
much.
He confronts it and tries tohelp everybody to get his

(52:52):
friends back.
Yeah, he confronts it and triesto help everybody to get his
friends back.
Yeah, so instead of holdingpeople at bay or avoiding the
situation or thinking to himself, okay, they're gone, I'll go
find myself some new guardians,he actually sticks around with
the Avengers to try and helpthem fix the problem, take some
responsibility and someleadership, and goes through and
actually, you know, gets themback with Nebula.
I think he also falls into thatadvocate role in the third

(53:13):
movie as well, when he's rescued, but then he insists that his
team also rescues the animals aswell.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, I was gonna bring that part up.
I think that's a reallysignificant part.
But even at the start of themovie, when Quill's drunk and he
, he has the what do they callit?
The zoom, the zoom, yeah, thezoom, and he's playing music.
He's playing creep and he walksinto the bar.
Quill wakes up, teasing with itand Juggly comes up and he's
like what do you do?
I told you not to touch thatbecause Rocket I think this is

(53:42):
how Rocket and Quill reallybonded in the first place was
with through music.
I love that too, yeah, andQuill, being the way he was, was
sort of just lashing out, sortof how Rocket was lashing out
when he was going through hisissues, and that ensued.
But I think Rocket in a way wasstuck, as we said earlier, in
sort of this, because he goteveryone back.
But then, even though everyonewas back and they were sort of

(54:05):
building something in nowhere,it didn't quite feel right yeah,
because, yeah, some of thepeople in his little found
family were still broken andholding onto their stuff.
Yeah, Kimura was gone.
Nebula was trying to holdthings together but was really
still in.
Wow, she was.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Along her journey as well.
It just goes to show as well,like these trauma cycles,
they're not linear.
People go through them and youcan backslide and regress, which
is what we saw Rocket do at theend of Volume volume one, and
into volume two and then, youknow, into this volume, volume
three.
He really kind of falls intothat advocate role and he moves
into that leadership role aswell, because towards the end of
the movie he takes command ofthe Guardians which we see in

(54:42):
that ending stinger.
But I loved what you said aboutthe music too, because it goes
to show that his relationshipswith the other Guardians is
really important.
But through him healing he isalso trying to help the others
heal.
Because I think it's so subtlydone too, because throughout all
the movies you see Rocketslowly starting to like the
music, like he says I think weshould put the music on at the
start of number two and Quillgoes no, the Aboleth's almost

(55:02):
here, we need to fight, and hestarts that winking joke.
So he's really into the music.
And then he becomes the DJ ofnowhere through the zoom.
And in the end of number three,pierre actually goes back to
get theune 4 rocket, because heknows that healing power of
music.
He knows how much thatnostalgia and that musical bond
helped him get through a lot ofhis traumas and I think that
that is the crux of theirrelationship.
I think that him facing the highevolutionary in this is the

(55:25):
ultimate form of him confrontinghis initial traumas, because he
says I'm done running.
And the poignant moment aboutit is when he's actually
fighting the high evolutionary,who's taken down quite quickly,
but he does it with his team.
Everybody gets a hit in on thathigh evolutionary and in the
end of it or at the start of it,he says his name for the first
time.
He calls himself rocket all thetime.
It's the power of names.

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He initially names himself andthat's the first time they all
start to rebel.
You know, when they all startto get their name of, they get
their names and they start toactually form a unit and bond.
And then in this moment, afterhe's faced his trauma and he
actually finds who he is onRocket Raccoon bang and then he
shoots the High Evolutionary.
That's that moment ofacceptance to him and I think
that that is where he reallyowns his own identity and he's

(56:08):
able to move through and facewhat the High Evolutionary did
and the face what the highevolutionary did, and the thing
that I'm I'm up in the air aboutit, I'm questioning about it is
, you know, through this wholebig hack and slack movie of
Guardians of the Galaxy, wherethey just literally killed 30
people to get to the highevolutionary rocket makes the
choice not to end this man'slife, and I'm on two ways of
thinking about that.
Well, what are your?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
thoughts on that.
It wouldn't make him like theHigh Evolutionary or anything
like that, but it would him sortof not so much forgiving him
but saying you're a terribleperson, you've been beaten by us
, you have no power, you arepretty much nothing.
You have to live with that.
I'm going to move on with myfamily and be happy.

(56:50):
That's your punishment.
That's what I sort of gleanedfrom it.
So he's sort of punishing theHigh Evolutionary because for
the High Evolutionary, Rocketwas just a stepping stone, just
another test subject, worthlesstrash that could just easily be
thrown away.
And he's showing him hey, lookhow important I am now and look
how important my life is to menow.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah, that I've done without you.
Yeah, and look at you on theground with nothing and that
element of empathy andcompassion that he's obviously
developed, apart from the highevolutionary, because he
definitely didn't teach in thatin his creationary father figure
role.
So him saying that I havelearnt to value things beyond
you is probably the correctreading from that scene the like
life too, like the importanceof life.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
So, instead of him taking another life, he's like
no, I'm not going to takeanother life just to be able to
take another life.
That's not who I'm going to be.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
I think it's symbolic to think about the manner in
which he is looking at him too,because, if you see, he's
standing over him, but the highevolutionary has just had his
mask ripped off and,symbolically, you can see that,
as you know, everything thatyou're hiding behind has been
completely revealed to me.
As Rocket, I know that you'renot actually this nice person
who sat me on your lap andtaught me about music.
You're actually a reallyhorrible and disgusting and

(57:59):
detestable person, and that'ssymbolically represented through
the fact that his face lookslike absolute goop.
Yeah, and he's not perfecthimself yeah, but evolutionary.
He's hiding behind a mask ofperfect.
That is his complete arc inRocket, but we touched on it
earlier.
But I kind of want to talkabout Rocket's relationship with
Nebula as well, because thatdeveloped so beautifully across
Endgame and Infinity War.
They're the only two left fromthe Guardians and that's also

(58:21):
where Nebula started to changeand shift as well, because
initially she's obviously thishardened and she's very similar
to Rocket.
She has an abusive parent, shehas Banos, who basically
villainized siblings againsteach other, with Gamora and
Nebula and Nebula always losing.
And she says that poignant linein number two where she says I
didn't want to win all the time,I just wanted a sister.
And that was.
That was so heavy and sopowerful and Karen Gillian
executed so well.

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And it just really speaks toNebula's character because in
Infinity War and Endgame Rocketand her get really close and
they they go on missionstogether and they attempt to get
the, the Guardians back.
And there's this awesome scenein the avengers movies where
nebula faces nebula and oldnebula is talking to new nebula,
nebula and you know she'ssaying you can be something else

(59:03):
.
And then nebula that's stillattached to thanos says he won't
let me.
And that was really powerfulbecause it shows that our nebula
has just gone through so muchgrowth through the connections
that she's made, through herrelationship with rocket, that
she's able to see the fact thatthe relationship that you're in
or that situation you're in withyour abusive parent is just not
healthy.
And I'm going to grow beyondthat, which is what she did.
She ended up in the endcreating a society, or wanting

(59:27):
to create a society for thesechildren so they would grow up
with something that she neverhad.
So she's gone from a destroyerof worlds to a creator of worlds
and she's realized the impactof her trauma on herself and
wanting that it doesn't impactothers through that loss and
grief of her own.
And I think that was reallypowerful and I loved in the
movie where it was probably themost emotional.
I'm not seeing nebula wherethey're on communications and

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nebula's in the highevolutionary pyramid and quill
tells them you know, we're onthe, we got out, and then Rocket
speaks and Nebula says, is thatyou Rocket?
And he says, yeah, I'm okay,and then she's visibly like
moved, she's so happy and Ithink that's just amazing.
And my other favorite scene withNebula is when Peter and Gamora
get into an argument becausePeter's trying to impress or

(01:00:08):
oppress his feelings upon Gamora.
And Gamora says to him him, howmuch of a pathetic person are
you that I need to be everythingfor you.
And then she says I don't wantto go.
And Gamora says I don't want togo and rescue this raccoon, to
which Nebula says we're goingafter him because he's family.
And Gamora previously said youknow, we're blood.
And Nebula said yeah, he is too.
He's family too.

(01:00:29):
So to Rocket as a similar beingin terms of their journey, but
I just love how both of themcame out of it together and as
leaders in the end too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yeah, neville is probably one of the most.
When she first came on board inthe Guardians of the Galaxy as
the villain trying to hunt themdown and she was like the
right-hand man, the assassin forThanos I didn't think she'd end
up having such an impact in themovies at first.
And then as soon as that secondmovie came out Thanos I didn't
think she'd end up having suchan impact in the movies at first
and then as soon as that secondmovie came out and you see that
that turn, all that that sortof shift that she starts taking

(01:01:02):
and then in the Avengers andthat when she fully turns Karen
Gillian, I think, like for me, Iunderestimated her.
I do a lot and now goingthrough and seeing the whole
combination of Nebula's journeyhas to be probably one of the
most drastic and most impactfulchanges out of nearly all of
them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Yeah, I think so too.
I think she fights forvengeance or she doesn't fight
for vengeance anymore.
She fights for the people thatshe loves, she fights for the
things that are right and she'skind of it's almost like she
took that time to go and findout what her values were.
And that time alone from theGuardians although it was an
involuntary separation shestarts to think about what she
wants.
She spends all that time withTony Stark in Infinity War and

(01:01:41):
Endgame through the snap,because they're the only two
that survived that moment.
So she's able to really see howothers work in a team
environment and she seesfirsthand just the love and
connection that other peopleshare.
And she wants a part of thattoo, because she's always
yearned for it from her, hersister, who she never got it
from.
But I also think that in the endher relationship with gamora

(01:02:01):
also develops.
So they have that communicationwhere they see each other,
where they're grunting to eachother.
There's the grunt of hello andthe grunt of hello back and
that's almost like theyunderstand each other on a
non-verbal level for one to havethat sibling connection.
But in the end there's thatrespect for one another too,
where Gamora goes off with theRavagers and she stays behind,
who govern nowhere.
But they're still together.
But they, they know that theydon't define each other's
relationship to each other, ifyou know what I mean by that.

(01:02:23):
So, but they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Nebula's happiness, for example, isn't relying on
Gamora's approval and vice versa, because on their own, the
first grunt is very aggressiveand then the second grunt at the
end is very playful.
Yeah, and so it shows theirshift, throughout this movie
alone, of them realizing that,even though they were also a fan
family and how they grew up wasatrocious, but they share,

(01:02:46):
that's something that they sharetogether and it's something
that, even though they're goingto be separated, they're going
to be separated they can stillcall each other sister and have
that relationship, even thoughthey are going to be apart.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
I also like how Gamora's death, as sad as it was
, also created a bond and arelationship between Peter and
Nebula.
Because when Peter's drunk onNowhere at the start of Volume 3
, nebula's the one that goes andpicks him up and takes him to
his sleeping place and tucks himin and he says and he says I
love you, gamora.
And there's this look on herface where it's like I
understand, because I also loveher and she's gone.

(01:03:18):
I'm not sure if I took that asher yearning for that kind of
love and connection from Peter,but I took it as her wanting and
yearning that love just fullstop.
She's somebody who just wantssomebody to care for her.
That where the Orgo Corp, whereGamora says you know, that
doesn't sound like me, thatsounds like her and points to
Nebula.
And then they have just a weirdmoment where Peter says I've
never noticed how black youreyes are.
I'm just saying big, beautifulset.

(01:03:39):
Yeah, I think I really like howthose two connected over that.
So she respects how much Peterloves her sister.
But also she understands whatPeter brings to the Guardians
and that is, if you notice, he'sdrunk and he's not present at
the start of Guardians 3 andthey get completely wiped out by
Adam Warlock when he comes in.
There's no unity, there's noleadership, there's no grounded

(01:04:01):
sort of force to instruct thebattle.
But she understands that hebrings that role, but he's also
the one that believes in thingswhen later.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
But if you have anything more on on nebula,
nebula, slash gomorrah, slashrocket I wasn't talking about
this earlier, but you brought upwith nebula, about her carrying
him when he was drunk, and thatsort of gives you that first
look, because if you see thatpart, all of them come together
and start walking and it'snebula carrying a drunk peter
quill and all of them like Idon't know, actually like in
dull and shadowed.

(01:04:30):
And then it's not until the endof the movie when you see them
all turning, when they alwaysget shipped, and then, like now
they're supposed to get kids andthey all make.
They all just instantly makethe decision yep, we're gonna go
rescue these kids where themore sort of like, why are we
doing this?
because she's sort of out of thegroup because of what happened
with the snap of her dying andher start walking together and

(01:04:51):
you see them, they're all like,heads held high, like they've
all sort of.
That's the point, sort of wherethey haven't quite, because
it's not till the very end, whenthey all sort of like go over
their grief, but they've allreached that point where they're
like it's like how they were inthe first and second movie when
they're candy, it's like thewhole movie.
They've sort of been a brokenshell.
You have to rescue these kidsand they all make that position

(01:05:11):
and argue about it.
They just all say yep, they'reall in agreeance, they all turn,
they all start walking to gointo the ship.
I believe that's like a reallyimportant part for their growth
and their culmination of thegrowth throughout the movie in
that point right there wherethey are all on the same wave,
yeah, and I think it's like justthe direction that they all did

(01:05:33):
a 180.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
And you can, you can reflect that on the fact that
they're they're looking at theirproblems individually and their
traumas individually, but thenthey all turned together to face
them together and that's howthey healed through it.
But you can also I also noticedin that scene the two members
of the guardians that turnedfirst with Rocket was Groot, he
was immediate and then Ne they'dgotten, and how much she loves

(01:05:58):
that raccoon.
Um, and everybody turnedshortly after, but it was those
two that turned first.
So I think their relationshipover time had just gotten so
strong and so, um, disconnectedand amazing.
But yeah, let's talk aboutpeter, this man, this man.
A couple of things about peter.
He's one of my favoritecharacters of guardians, for one
, uh, two.
He suffers from what wegenerally see and call somebody
who has been arrested, and notin the way that he's going to
jail.
But he suffered a trauma at avery young age and his age
stopped and maturity developmentstopped at that point.

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So he witnessed his mother'sdeath at a very young age, at
the age of eight or nine, and hewas unable to face her, which
he has lived with forever andever and ever.
He ran away from hisgrandfather and then he was
shortly then taken by theravages.
So he was never, ever, everable to deal with that grief in
any particular way, because hewent straight into spacefaring
and that can be almost seen as ametaphor for escaping reality,

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which a lot of people do whenthey suffer a trauma escaping
reality and adopting the fantasy, and it's really fun.
It's done really well becausewhen we do that time skip and we
see Peter for the first timelooking for the Power Stone, we
see this really like ominousspace-faring adventurer that
stands tall and looks strong andhas all these gadgets and gears
.
But then he starts dancing likean eight-year-old or a

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nine-year-old would, and he'sgot this affinity for nostalgia
items, things that remind him ofhis past, the music, the
Walkman, all of those sorts ofthings tell us sort of trapped
where he first suffered thatinitial trauma.
It was basically him trying tohide from his trauma and just
hide in his playful pirating,yeah, and the persona that he's
made up too, because he goes byStar-Lord and he wants everybody

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to call him Star-Lord andthat's kind of like a nuanced
connection to his mom becauseshe called him Star-Lord.
But he's turned that into a,like a comforting and cherished
childhood nickname.
He turned into a, an outlawname, so he was almost making a
mockery of it to the point wherehe wanted to be known by it,
probably for affectionate means,but also because he has that
deep rooted fear and this cockysort of flippant attitude that

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presents through his exterior.
But internally he's just like agooey mess and that's presented
through his effortsromantically and also through
his.
One thing about his arresteddevelopment that I like is the
fact that he has thisunfathomable belief in the
unlikely to occur and it's hisbiggest piece of charm.
And it's amazing to see thatcome back in volume three when
they're in the Orgo Corp and yousee him looking at Gamora and
saying I'm so glad you get tosee this for the first time

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again, when he's talking aboutcharming the woman, like he's
being quite arrogant there.
But then he's also in thatmoment where he says, um, I can
convince them if I speak from myheart and and just doing the
unbelievable thing like graspingfor the infinity stone, knowing
it's going to kill him, and hesays it as well.
He says I always have anuncanny ability to get myself
out of really bad situations.
You should know that.
That's his superpower, if youwill.

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But I love the fact that Peter'san ordinary guy.
He's literally.
He's got no superpowers andhe's sprung into just a
situation.
That is everything he's learned, everything that he is, all of
his gadgets are all learned, andhe's also one to cling to a
found family as well.
He's always the one to look forthe other guardians and to
connect each other and callthemselves the guardians of the
galaxy, and he wants everybodyto be together so much because

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he's got that clingy sort ofmentality of someone who's
experienced loss before.
And when he meets his father,ego, he bonds with him quickly
because he's susceptible to thatconditional emotional
manipulation that Ego knows willwork on him.
But what I do like about thatwith Peter is he's given all of
this power in the world and theeight-year-old comes out of him
again because he's like I'mgoing to make so much weird shit
.
Yeah, like he's not going totake over the world.
He doesn't want to like thosesorts of things.

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And I think he's very muchunderestimated by Ego, because
Ego thought that he had him.
Ego thought that he had him innumber two when he said you know
, the world can be ours, we canshape it how we want.
All of these other people areinsignificant because you're
grander than them.
And he basically kind ofrefuses that.
And then when Ego says, youknow, I really hated to put that
tumor in your mother, heliterally, he literally just
shot him like snapped completelyout of it.

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And he uses his power toovercome this tyrannical figure
saying one of my favorite linesthat Peter ever says you
shouldn't have killed my mom andsquished my walk man.
He activates his power and he'sand he's just, he uses it for
such a good purpose.
But in terms of his, his, hewas so easily manipulated
because he's got that connectionwound, he, he leads through

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this.
And he does make a silly choicein Infinity War as well,
because when they're instigatingthe plan and he learns that
Gamora is dead, he does punchThanos mid-plan.
But what I love about Peter inVolume 3 is that he takes
accountability for that in theelevator scene.
He sits there and he says weused to be in love, but then her
father got in her head andthrew her off a magical cliff

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and when I learned about herdeath I lost my temper and got
really angry and almostdestroyed half the universe.
And that's him taking thataccountability which is so only
like, which probably wasn't agood idea, yeah, yeah, which
probably wasn't a good idea, but, yeah, I think that his, his
trauma in response to that waswhen he backslides again.
Uh, because he has a traumaresponse where he's trying to
force a connection upon herwhich isn't fair and he's not.
He's not being abusive in thatway towards gamora, but he's

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also he's being emotionallydesperate.
You know, gamora calls him outon it, and that's when he
realizes that he's chasing aghost, but she's gone.
This isn't the Gamora that hewanted, this isn't the Gamora
that he loved, and she neverloved him.
They're two different people,which kind of begs the question.
For me, it's interesting to note, like meeting a significant
other at the perfect time, theperfect place in both of your
lives.
Peter was a.
When new Gamora met Peter, theywere both in two different

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places and they weren'tcompatible anymore.
So it's that realisticstorytelling that Dunn uses to
present that love and I love thefact that he didn't bring them
back together in the end as acouple.
I thought that that was reallya strong and bold choice because
so many audience members wouldhave wanted it.
I wanted it.
When I first watched it Ithought that that was what I
wanted to see.
But I think final scene Gamoraactually, you know, not

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sympathizes but entertains theidea for a second where she says
I bet we would have been fun,but she, she's helping him on
his journey of acceptance.
And then he does accept itbecause he says you wouldn't
believe it.
But that's the audience, themoment.
The moment the audience knowsthat Peter has come to terms
with the fact that she's goneyeah, like he says that, like
you wouldn't believe.
Yeah, he says it almostreminiscently like he's letting

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go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
And the thing that's sort of only just come to me now
is the actual moment thatGamora starts having feelings
for Pete was when he shared hismusic with her.
When they're at the gamblinghouse and they're on the balcony
and he gives her the earbud andthey're both listening to music
, and so they have that moment.
The dancing the dancing's thebest one it's been a while
Pulled around and fell in love.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
I think it's that one , yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Pulled around and fell in love and then that's
sort of way Rocket goes on, hischange of junk Things sort of
breaks up that moment.
But that's sort of the moment.
Again, the music is what bringsand brought them and they
haven't.
And Quill was never able torecreate that moment with that
music.
Because the time when you startto see Gamora not so much go

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back to her old self but sort ofshe softens, softens up and
sees what they're trying to doas a group, is when she's in the
like in the ship by herself.
Because she doesn't want to goand help, she's happy to stay on
the ship until her varying pickup accepted.
But she starts listening tomusic.
Ghost repeater stuff startslistening to music.
Oh, she does too.
And then that's the, and shestarts listening to music and
she starts going through his bagtoo, and goes through his bag

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and like, seeing, like, like thekey tapes he has and like later
on gives him back the photos asa value bag as when she starts
to understand who he is beyond,yeah, who he's trying to impress
upon her exactly because he'strying to impress on her by
being his quote-unquote charmingself, which is more of like a
boyish charm rather than reallyforced.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Yeah, it's almost his true self is what attracted her
, and also his manner of wantingto save the day all the time,
but doing it in a heroic fashion, unintentionally and without
bravado.
Because there's that scenewhere they go to crash the ship
onto the High Evolutionaries andhe literally it's such a good
scene, scene like an actionsequence, where he sets the ship
into self-destruct and thentackles Gamora out the window,
slides across the deck bay floorand they have that moment where

(01:13:28):
there's one on top of the otherand the ship goes and she says
what did you do?
He says I set the self-destruct.
It explodes and there's almosta moment there where you're like
, ah, will they how my otherself might have fallen for.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
So far, all he's been doing is been pushing his
feelings onto her, and that'sreally unattractive.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Exactly.
And you know it comes to thepoint where they're all in their
Skittle suits about to go intothe Orgo Corp where he says we
were in love, we were perfecttogether.
You know, you and I weretogether.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Yeah, we Like.
This is really the longestinteraction we've had.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
And she also said she said it flatly too.
It was like I don't think so.
You know, in terms of that Idoubt it, or I highly doubt it,
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Because you seem like a clingy, like a really clingy,
emotionally clingy person, andI don't think I would have
thought of that.
But realistically, they fell inlove over time, first through
the music and then of how Peteracting and his heroism and his
just in the time that he has,naturally, rather than this

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forced charm that he's trying topush upon her.
And this, these moments thatthey had, that he had with
gamora, that gamora never had,and just try and push all that
onto her is just would be a lotfor anyone to take.
Yeah, exactly, exactly, notfair at all for her, because he
may have had those moments,she's had those moments.
So how is she supposed toreplicate that when she never
experienced it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Yeah, it would have been tricky for Peter to go
through as well, because seeingthe one that you love dying and
then seeing her in flesh andblood in front of you but then
coming to terms with the factthat it's not the same person.
But through his arc he doeslearn this emotional maturity to
love someone without forcingthem to love him back.
So he will still love thatGamora because she looks like
his Gamora, but he does notexpect her love in return or

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back in the same way, in thatmanner, and I think that's the
emotional arc he goes through,there, where he heals from the
fact that he's a drunken mess atthe start.
But I think the bigger healingcomes for Peter at the end of
his traumat arc where he lefthis mother at the start, where
he faces Gamora and says youknow, this is real life, I'm not
running away from a fantasy.
And then Mantis calls him outon it in volume three as well.

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You know.
She says you lost your mum andthen you ran away, but your
grandfather was on earth and helost his daughter and his
grandson in the same day.
And then that's when they getinto the talk about people dying
at 50.
But it comes full circle in themoment where his trauma began
Earth, and he meets his family,member of his grandfather, and
the most beautiful thing is hegets to go back and be an eight
slash nine-year-old.

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He gets to sit there, talkfamily with his granddad, eat
some cereal, watch him read thenewspaper talk about the fact
that the neighbor's mowing thelawn in the wrong manner, like
that's all things that a kidwould do.
So Peter actually gets to goback and be that kid that he
never got to be because he wasarrested at eight as well in
that manner.
And you know, when they look atthe legendary Star-Lord will
return.
That's a really slippery slopefor me.
I'm like what are you going todo with that character now?
Are you going to present him asa more mature person who's gone

(01:16:07):
through this healing journeywhich is what I think Chris
Pratt means when he says hewants them to respect Gunn's
vision or are they going tostill making that character?

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
I think he's always going to be that, though he's
going to have that cockiness tohim and that bravado, but I
think he's just going to be notso much taking things seriously
but be a bit more like how hewas self-aware, yeah, and how he
was when he was telling thatthe alien woman in Orgo Court
and she's like I want to speakfrom the heart and and he's like
what that's stupid.

(01:16:41):
And he like sets off all thejets on all the all the flesh
men.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Can I also say, just like finally, on that point
about Peter saying that he'sgoing to talk to these corporate
shills from the heart, I thinkthat that was a bit of tongue in
cheek from James Gunn, becausethat's literally what he did to
Disney Marvel to try and get hisjob back.
Incorporated that into thestory as well Just goes to show
how good of a storyteller thatJames Gunn is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
I think he'll be more like that for Star Wars.
So he'll still have all thatempathy because of all the stuff
he's gone through and all thestuff that he's overcome and
published, but he'll still havethat sort of boyish charm, that
provider of being Star Wars.
But, yeah, instead of him justbeing Star Wars, he's now going
to be like the sort ofcombination of everything he
healed Star Wars.
Yeah, and I think that will beall the better.
That will hopefully be better,will be like the best outcome.

(01:17:25):
The worst outcome is theycompletely change.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Satirize his character yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Alright, do you want to talk about Drax and Mantis?
Yes, we'll just start onquickly.
There's not heaps for Drax, andyou learn about Drax's
backstory in the first movie,but you don't see anything of it
, and you don't really.
All you know is that Thanos didwhat he's done to a lot of
planets wiped it out, killed hisfamily, killed half the

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population, including what washis daughter, and he becomes
Drax the Destroyer to getrevenge on Thanos for killing
his daughter and realistically,thor gets it but never really
gets that revenge.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Yeah, he gets it on Ronan, but he does not get it on
Thanos, does he?
But he's a man that's ready todie Like he he's got really
nothing.
And in the end of the firstyeah, in the end of the first
movie, he actually does havepeople.
He walks through those hall,friends, and he goes.
You know, peter Quill, you'remy friend.
Rocket, you're my friend.
Walking Tree man, you're myfriend, green Whore, you are my

(01:18:27):
friend yeah about like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
To me I think that's because they all have a sort of
a reason to not like Thanos,because Thanos is, after all,
because of the power stand wasthe power stand that they had or
was the tower?
And because Thanos is chasingafter that and he sends Ronan
after him, after them for it.
That sort of brings them alltogether and for him he says
they're friends, but it's moreof a we're a friend in the same
fight.
Yeah, not so much.

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I don't believe for him,because everything for him he
believes, everything he says, soliterally they're his friends
because they're all fighting forthe same cause, he just stops
Thanos.
But then when Thanos sort ofdoesn't become well in the
second one, when they meetMantis and Mantis sort of Jax is
making fun of Mantis becauseshe's ugly and everything like
that, and she's like, but thenhe's like but you remind me of

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my daughter, and Mantis is likewhat ugly?
And he's like ah, innocent,that's right, yeah, innocent.
And for me, and in that moment,and then she touches him to
feel what he's feeling, becauseevery other time she's touched
him he's been this jovial, happy, like, because all his emotions
are like he always, he always,emotions always serve his level.
That or I just think he's ableto because of like, how his

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people are and how they're verylike on the nose, only sort of
one emotion can be there at onetime.
But deep down I think he alwayshas this deep sadness and that
really comes out when he says,remind me of my daughter for
your innocence.
And Metis touches him and like,and I think it was done very
well how Pom the actress playsMetis, she just like fully, just

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breaks down into this.
Just like for me, like watchingit, I have to watch it again
and it's just like thisunimaginable sadness that she
just washes over her.
And that's sort of what draxhas been carrying ever since his
daughter was taken away.
So he's carried that allthrough the first.
So that joking, sort ofbellowing laughter of a man that
drax is in the first movie,that even when he's like saying
oh, they killed my daughter, buthe through the whole thing he's

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like, he's like one of thecomic relief characters in the
movie.
And in the second one youfinally see that he's not just
this comic relief character.
He has this deep sadness withinhim.
And then the third one againthe whole time he's played off
as this sort of character whocontinuously messes up and is
the cause of a lot of issuesliability, liability calls him

(01:20:38):
out on that too.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
There's that moment in the high evolutionary ship
where they're talking about itand she says you know he's a
liability.
You always mess up.
Um, all you do is laugh ateverything and you're an
imbecile all that kind of things.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
And but then mantis is one that backs, backs him up
and says, uh, um, he's noliability, he's an idiot.
He's no liability, um, becauseshe has firsthand seen what is
really inside drax I love.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
I love when she says he's the only one out of all of
you who doesn't hate himself.
That was the beautiful partthat I because that was us
seeing Mantis value people fortrue strengths.
You know he's a person whomakes them laugh is what she
said.
You know he makes them laughand he makes us happy.
How is that a liability?
I think that was just sobeautiful.
And I also like how Drax gotreally sad when Mantis called

(01:21:24):
him an idiot, but he didn'treally give a shit when Nebula
called him all those things andI think it was because obviously
he respects and loves the pointof view that Mantis has of him
and then she always made himforget.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
But yeah, and I think it's also the fact that Mantis
does remind him of his daughterFor Mantis to call an idiot, and
that's sort of like sort ofprobably get a nerve a little
bit and sort of stab him in theheart a bit and that's why and
then I think that's all.
That was like oh shit.
But it then comes out evenfurther when they find the kids
and they're trying tocommunicate with the kids and
Nebula is yelling at the kidsand to try and like yelling at

(01:21:54):
the kids, trying to say, andthen they start fighting and
then Drax is able to like sayhuh, call some little idiots.
And then, but he's able toconnect him and make him laugh
by making them the monkey noisesthat actually sounds like a
duck chicken or something, andand because that's like

(01:22:17):
something he's doing, to likewhen he was with his daughter,
and he's able to connect allthese children and I think
that's the first moment whenNebula sees just how Drax is.
And then Drax talks to him andcommunicates them in their
language and she's like, why doyou tell us you can speak a
language like, why do you not?
Because, like, instead of youjust always assuming that I'm

(01:22:39):
just on a big oath you couldhave been like can anyone
understand what these guys aresaying?
You're like no, you're an idiot, you wouldn't know.
It just dismisses it, and Ithink that's that's a big
turning point for nebula withdrax, and that he's not just
this big oath, he's, and I thinkthat's why, at the end, when um
, nebula's like no, I need youwith me because I need someone
to look, ah, I need you to helpme look after these kids,
because these kids need a fatherand, um, it's like she's not

(01:23:01):
good with kids, obviously, soshe's like I need you because I
need someone who's.
We have all these kids now.
I need someone who can lookafter these kids and who, better
than and because she's like,you're not Drax the Destroyer,
you're Drax the father.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Yeah, drax the dad.
And you know what I think?
That's also the first time thatNebula would have seen a good
dad.
An abusive figure, yeah, andshe sees that in Drax and really
admires it.
And the fact that she went fromcalling him an imbecile and a
liability to then requiring himand needing him for the job as
almost like a second in commandis really big growth for not
only Drax but also Nebula aswell but yeah, but Mantis, who I

(01:23:36):
believe was really anunderrated character even in the
third movie.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
She is pretty much the heart of the team.
Now she is the one when Bill'sstatus is lowest.
They're like you're retarded,so why are you torturing me?
She's like he doesn't listen tome, no one takes me seriously.
And then so she tries to getthe help of, like say, drax
because Drax and become fairlyclose, even though, like they
play pranks on each other, thebond that they grew in the
second movie together and theyplay tricks like making everyone

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fall in love with Drax andmaking Drax fall in love with
his sock, like just all thisdumb stuff.
And it's like all these likesort of childish pranks that
like a daughter might play on afather or something like that.
It's sort of like thatsurrogate's relationship.
And whereas Mantis is sort oflike filling in for Drax's
daughter in a way, and that'show they grow really close.
So like filling in for Drax'sdaughter in a way, and that's

(01:24:26):
how they grow really close.
So she sends Drax over withwords that she told him to say
to Peter to like sort of helpgame out of that funk, and at
first it's like sort of works,but then Bill is so confused,
the fact that he's actuallysaying something that makes
sense in a metaphor that's notsomething that his race is known
for.
And then when peter questions it, that's when he sort of messes
up and falls back on the samething and just makes these

(01:24:47):
terrible, terrible walls.
But, um, and then bill seesthat, uh, mantis is there in the
background pulling the strings.
So she's always there in thebackground, she always sees the
issues but has never takenseriously enough for anyone to
listen to her, and I think.
But by the end of it she's sortof and she's very patient with
everyone, especially drax.
And by the end of it, whenthey're faced with the analysts

(01:25:10):
and she's like they eatbatteries why would they want to
eat us?
And she's the one that sort oflooks at them and says they're
just scared, like, and shedoesn't have to touch them to
feel like she can sense it,which I think is a like growth
for her, and she basically saysno, trust, we're not in any
danger, we just need to showthem that we don't mean any harm
for them, because they're not.
We shouldn't be scared of them,they're scared of us and what

(01:25:31):
we're going to do to them.
And finally, like reaches outand gives the powers to connect
to the Abolus and befriends theAbolus, and I think that's a
very poignant part in herdevelopment because, again,
because Nebula is always likethat sort of always calculated
and sort of like logical, butlike Spock.
So she's like Spock where shethinks that she's like

(01:25:53):
everything has to be calculated,everything has to be.
She's correct.
These guys are idiots.
All their ideas are dumbbecause they make no sense and
they would never work becausethere's no calculations.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Yeah, she's really critical.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Yeah, critical and calculated and like, instead of
being emotional and I thinkthat's like Empathetic.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Empathetic.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Well, she's not empathetic, she's more
calculated and I think bothseeing Drax and his approach to
the kids, seeing Mantis and herapproach to the Abolists, sort
of, and seeing those things work, when her just yelling at them
and thinking that they shouldunderstand her because she's
yelling at them and she'stelling them that you need to do
this to be safe and her justdemanding that they do that is
the only course of action thatshe has because she can't think

(01:26:33):
outside the box.
Maybe because, mostly, butseeing the Atrax come in and
make and the trust of the kidsand able to speak their language
and communicate with them.
And then Mantis is what alsohelps Nebula take that shift and
be more open to everyone else'ssensitive approach yeah,
sensitivities, and that's why Ithink both Drax and Mantis are

(01:26:54):
really detrimental in this movie, purely because of that.
They show us that emotion likeusing emotion, using empathy and
using these out of the boxthinkings is always another
approach you can take atproblems that come your way,
instead of just bashing intothem and thinking of cold, hard
decision yeah, I think that'sreally powerful because it shows
that there is some power inempathy, which we know that

(01:27:16):
Mantis is known for and Drax isalso as well.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
but yeah, I think that growth in Nebula was the
realization Without Drax andMantis.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
I don't think Nebula would have that full growth
because that whole time thatthey're on that ship she's
pretty much my way or thehighway.
You guys are both idiots.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
I'm stuck with you to try and solve all these yeah
and try to solve all theseproblems herself when really she
should have tried to trust itin the to her head, with Mantis
being the absolute embodiment ofempathy across the two movies
that she's in, which is acentral theme for all three
Guardians movies.
And she's empathy in spades.
She gives it to everybody atthe detriment of herself.

(01:27:51):
And that's where her arc comesto a close, at the end of number
three, where she says you know,first I served Ego and taught
him how to be empathetic, andthen I served the Guardians and
I don't know who I am.
And I think that's the bestending for her character ever
was that she goes out on her own.
But it was so beautiful when,as soon as she said that, drax
said well, I'll go with youbecause you need protection from
your incredible flaws, and itwas just so lovely to see that

(01:28:15):
he values that protective roleof her.
But then she went and said thisis something that I needed to
do for my own growth, which ismoving and becoming empathy of
yourself.
I needed to do for my owngrowth, which is moving and
becoming empathy of yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
And helping with his growth.
I believe too, because she wastaking that sort of role of like
Jax's daughter, how he wasreally protective of her and
they had all their playfulbanter and he sort of grown that
attachment and she knew thatshe was under your standing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Yeah, or even like that's the role of a father.
Sometimes, when the daughter orthe child gets to a particular
age, you do have to watch themgo and try and make their own
journey, and that was himrealizing that and letting go of
that moment.
With Mantis it's like I don't,I'm not the one that's
protecting you anymore.
I'll always be here to protectyou, but you're going out on
your own now and you're verycapable of protecting yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
I think that's when the Exinibio's like no, drax, I
need you here because there's awhole bunch of other kids now
that need a father, and sothat's when he's like oh, so,
then he lets Mantis go on herjourney so he can then retake on
that role as the father to allthese other kids.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Beautiful.
All right, this is our FandomPortals On A Board.
It's time to rate and rank.
Each host gives the movie ascore out of five.
We then take the average andadd it to our official
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If you want to follow thatalong, you can join us on our
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(01:29:34):
Brash, I'm not going to beataround the bush on this one.
I gave it five stars.
What?
4.5 is very fair for theGuardians 3.
Okay.
So, with an average of 4.75,with Brash's vote being 4.5 and
mine being 5, that means thatthis movie tops the New Mutants,
which had an average of 4.5, asour new leader of the fandom
portals on board.
Congratulations, guardians ofthe Galaxy 3.
Let's go into our sign-up.
All right, everybody, this hasbeen the Fandom Portals podcast

(01:29:58):
with Aaron and Brash and Brash,and you have been listening to
our review slash talk on theGuardians of the Galaxy 3.
If you wanted to get involvedon the community, shout out
parts, you can definitely do soon our social medias, which is
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Instagram.
That is at fandomportals, andwe have achieved our goal of
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So if you join our news mailinglist which you can do so at

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you'll be the first one to knowabout our giveaways and you'll
also go into the draw to win afamily pass to the movies for
this April, which we're happy togive out as well Next time.
Brash, brash, do you want totell us what we're doing?
We are doing Iron man Uno, hmm,iron, iron man 1, where it all

(01:30:45):
began, with Robert Downey Jr forthe MCU.
Just in time, for it'll be thelast entry of our Marvel month,
which means it'll be just intime for you to go to the cinema
in May and watch theThunderbolts, and obviously
we're going to review how RobertDowney Jr started his journey
and then ended his journey, nowbecoming Dr Doom a little bit
later on.
Alright, thank you for comingalong with the journey with us.
Keep learning, keep growing,keep loving fandoms.

(01:31:07):
Brash, I love you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
I did, yeah, I did.
At the start I was Iron Grootand at the end I was I Love you,
guys.
Yeah, the audience is part.

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