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June 10, 2025 35 mins

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In episode 038, Sam Donaghey and Michael Johnson sit down with Jonathan B. Smith—EOS implementer and master negotiator with The Black Swan Group—to talk about what really drives business growth and better communication.

Jonathan shares the five frustrations that hold businesses back, how EOS helps teams break through ceilings, and why tactical empathy is the key to making better deals. He also offers a preview of his upcoming book, Fight Less, Win More, and how leaders can apply negotiation skills to everyday business challenges.

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