April 12, 2024 • 57 mins
Unlock the true meaning of biblical manhood with Ken Harrison, Chairman and CEO of Promise Keepers, in a conversation that promises to reshape your understanding of kindness and strength. As your host, Pastor Ed Tandy-McGlasson, I'm thrilled to share a dialogue that defies stereotypes, urging men to embrace a robust Christian character. We contrast the passive 'niceness' often expected from men of faith with the assertive kindness exemplified by legendary heroes of the faith and NFL greats. Dive into a revealing exploration of what it really means to be a kind, virtuous man in today's world.
This episode isn't just about reflection; it's a call to courageous action. Drawing from my experiences as a former Los Angeles policeman, I recount moments where standing against injustice wasn't just a choice, but a mandate of true virtue. Together with Ken, we navigate the complex challenges of identity and truth, urging you to stand firm in your beliefs, emboldened by scripture and God's life. Our conversation spans from personal transformation stories within men's ministry to the creation of 'fire teams,' advocating for community and accountability as catalysts for profound change.
Finally, we address the urgent crisis of masculinity, pinpointing the trends that pull men into virtual escapes and away from fulfilling their God-given roles. It's a candid look at the need for risk-embracing living, juxtaposed against a culture that often promotes avoidance and passivity. Hear how living a life of faith and purpose stands as the countermeasure to these societal ills and how, through faith, we can guide others towards more engaged and purposeful living. Join us on this journey to inspire and be inspired, to lead a life marked not only by faith but by action and conviction.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He was kind, but he wasn't nice.
You know, in America we reallyhave swallowed many, many lies
in the church.
One of them is that a greatChristian is the most prudent,
milly-mally, spineless guy outthere.
Right, that being a goodChristian means never losing
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your temper and never cussingand never drinking and never
smoking and never really doinganything other than never
drinking and never smoking andnever really doing anything
other than sitting around andgoing.
Well, isn't that nice.
And well, it's funny, you know,when I read my Bible in Hebrews
11, god says I want you to takea look at these people.
He gives us the hall of faithand says these are who I want
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you to emulate, and then heproceeds to list the most
screwed up list of people youcould possibly imagine.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Welcome to the Father Difference Podcast, where we
help men learn how to be thefather they were meant to be, so
that their children can livethe life that God has made them
for.
Each week, you'll find newpodcasts and interviews with men
who want to make the biggestdifference they can.
Your host, pastor EdTandy-McGlasson, has been
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teaching and equipping men inevents and conferences for the
last 41 years in 14 differentcountries, and now here's Ed.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, welcome to Huddle Up Men's Event, where we
each month give you a broadcastof one of those guys that I get
to do what I did in the NFL.
I consider one of God'squarterbacks.
I get to play center again,even though I'm retired and I
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don't need Advil though I'dstill take it for this job where
I raise my hand and call huddle.
I'm calling you guys to huddlearound one of God's quarterbacks
, ken Harrison, who's thechairman and CEO of Promise
Keepers.
That was begun years ago withincredible impact and it's
ever-growing and reaching somany people through digital
media, through their Zoom events, their stadium events.
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You'll hear about all that, buthe's coming to share with us
today about just this wholeconcept, which is fascinating to
me what it means for a man tobe kind.
Right, the Bible calls us to bekind, but not necessarily nice,
and so let's welcome today Ken.
(02:30):
Well, welcome, ken.
I'm so grateful that you'rehere.
So what do you mean about?
How does this start out, thiswhole idea that you're sharing
with us?
What does it mean to be kindand not nice as a man?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Well, first of all, I don't want to be a quarterback.
I want to be kind and not niceas a man.
Well, first of all, I don'twant to be a quarterback.
I want to be like a defensiveend.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I want to hit somebody okay, you can be
defensive, end, but realizethere's a center.
I'm going to get that littlenod from the guard and I'm going
to hit him on his right booty,which means you got to cover my
man.
I'm pulling out to get that.
You know, lawrence Taylor, kenHarrison, coming from the blind
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side, baby.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, I was just like Lawrence Taylor, only a lot
slower.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You know, I actually, you know, when I played for the
Giants he was a rookie.
I had to block him every singleday.
He was incredible as an athlete, just probably the most gifted
defensive end you would ever see.
Except my Rams won thechampionship.
Donaldson, I got to shout outmy boys, though they didn't give
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me any love.
You know.
No ring for retired NFL players, you know?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I mean seriously, is our Eric Donald?
Is he?
When they say I mean he's justold right, yeah.
But when they say he's the bestdefensive player ever, I'm
Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I'm sorry you know I can't.
Eric Donald is a great player,but there's no way he was a
Reggie White.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
No, and I got to block Reggie too when I was at
Eagles and got to play with themfor a while and he was, you
know, he'd run you over and thencome over and go.
Hey man, how can I pray for you?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And that segues to your question.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
He was kind, but he wasn't nice.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You know, in America we really have followed many,
many lies in the church and oneof them is that a great
Christian is the most prudent,milly-mally, spineless guy out
there.
Right, that being a goodChristian means never losing
your temper and never cussing,and never drinking, and never
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smoking and never really doinganything other than sitting
around and going.
Well, isn't that nice and well,it's funny.
You know, when I read my Bible,in Hebrews 11, god says I want
you to take a look at thesepeople.
He gives us the hall of faithand says these are who I want
you to emulate, and then heproceeds to list the most
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screwed up list of people youcan possibly imagine.
He's like be like Rahab theprostitute.
Be like Japheth, who went outthere and had a great battle and
then came back and murdered hisdaughter because he got a
little too enthusiastic thereand had a great battle and then
came back and murdered hisdaughter because he got a little
too enthusiastic.
So these are screwed up,passionate people who say I will
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not back down from a fight, Iwill not let evil into my city
during the day.
You know, think about Rahab.
Here she is.
She betrays every person she'sever known in her city.
They're all going to diebecause of what she did, because
she understands the truth ofgod's word.
So nobody in that list ofpeople, or anybody that we in
the proper nice american churchwould say are godly people.
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In fact, we would say they'rehorrible people, we would judge
them.
And yet god says be like thosepeople, be passionate, fight for
you know what does isaiah 117say?
Stand up against injustice,fight for the widow and the
orphan.
Right?
Um, that's who I want to be,man.
I don't.
I don't want to be nice.
Sometimes I'll tell you a storythat's kind of funny.
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I shouldn't say this, but youknow, you know me too well, and
so I'll start being too candid,right?
I remember, um, it's the guysthat don't know.
I used to be a Los Angelespoliceman and so I've been in a
lot of fights in my life, andone day I see these people out.
It's the day beforeThanksgiving, it's snowing
outside.
I live in Colorado.
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Years ago, my boys were bothyoung.
They're both big, strappingguys now, but they were I don't
know 9, 10 years old.
We're at Costco and this boyand girl probably early twenties
come up to me and asked me formoney, and I could tell they
weren't really panhandlers.
They really did need money toget home.
They really were stranded.
So I handed her a box and Idrove off.
And as I drove off I thoughtwhat a knucklehead I am.
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Why didn't I my wife was at ourchurch serving Thanksgiving
meals to the homeless why didn'tI take them to our church and
then get them a hotel?
Why did I just give them $20and run off?
So I tell my boys to screw up.
I just did apologize to themfor being a bad example for
Christ.
And so we're going to go takecare of those two.
So we turn back around, we getto the parking lot.
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It's been 10 minutes.
I can't find them anywhere.
So I'm looking around and soI've got my my foot off the gas
of my truck, so it's just idling, going you know a couple of
miles an hour.
And I look over here.
There's nobody, kind of lookback over my shoulder and I hear
hey, there's violent.
Hey, there's a guy who's infront of my truck now who's
flipping me off so clearly.
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He sees me barely coasting.
And this guy walked right infront of my truck, flips me off
and says I'm gonna effing killyou.
Well, he can't see into thetruck.
He's looking in my headlightsso he can't see that I'm a lot
bigger than he is.
You know this is obviously.
This is one of those guys whoyou know was a high school
football star oh yeah so I said,uh, boys, you're about to see a
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lesson.
So I put my truck in the park.
I get out, he takes a look atme.
You know I'm 6'3" 230.
And he goes oh, hey, you know.
And he starts to back up and Igo well, I thought you were
going to.
I thought you're going to killme there, hero.
And so he starts to walk awayreally fast and he starts to run
over to his truck and he jumpsin his truck and he locks the
door and I go well, I'm stillwaiting for my lesson.
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You know what are you doing?
And so I got back in my car.
My boys were like oh boy.
And I said, look, you guys needto understand that nothing I did
was out of pride and I didn'tlose my temper.
But if he stopped I was goingto knock that guy out.
And I said, because he's donethat to a hundred other guys,
yeah, he is humiliated.
How many men in front of theirwife and in front of their kids?
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He's done it so many times thathe's now staring into
headlights of a truck notrealizing that the guy behind
the wheel is not somebody thatyou wanted to mess with.
He's done it that many timesand by me doing that I'll save
the next hundred guys from beinghumiliated by this fool.
Now I would argue and a lot ofpeople argue back with me that
that is Christian virtue,because I'm standing up for the
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next guy, because I know how tofight and I'm very comfortable
with it and I would have knockedhim out in the parking lot and
I would have called thatChristian virtue.
Like I said, lots of peoplehave a problem with me, but I
think they would be wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, well, it's because they translate.
They don't understand thatmeekness in the Bible is not
weakness, but it's strengthunder control.
It's used for God's purposes.
Right, the Lord's leading youand somebody's attacking your
family or challenging what areyou going to do?
It reminds me of this crazystory with me and Brian Holloway
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.
We were growing up, we wereplaying pro football.
We're laying low in his car inNorthern Virginia going to a gym
and these two guys go by.
You know they were just, youknow they're just two rednecks
in a car, right.
And they see Brian roll downthe window and yell out the
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N-word and say we're going tokill you.
You know you're in the wrongpart of Virginia, right.
So Brian, you know, rolls downthe window and gives him the
holy middle finger.
These guys get behind us,challenge us, chase us into a
parking lot at the gym.
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Now I'm laying low, like myhead is only here on the seat.
So is Brian.
We both pull our bodies out.
They're only like five foot one.
You know Brian's six, seven.
Only like five foot one.
You know Brian's six, seven,six, eight.
I'm six four.
I had the dun-dun-duns back inthose days and these two guys
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look at us and they go I didn'tknow you were so big they jump
in the car and take off.
We laughed so hard in the midstof that because there are times
, especially right now in ourculture, where God is saying
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we're the men, we're the fathers, we're those that are not
afraid of being woke out ofbusiness right or being
marginalized, who are going tostand up in a loving way, but a
powerful way, in God's meek way,and say no, no, not that.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I think you're dead on and I think we need to
realize what strength is.
So how do we know what Jesusloves?
We look at what Jesus loves,right.
Well, we have this idea ofChrist.
Well, we forget Jesus was acarpenter.
What was a carpenter in ancientIsrael?
He was a stonemason.
The Romans came in and cut downall the trees and so things,
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furniture, were made out ofstone.
So you had a guy haulingmassive, couple hundred pound
rocks all the time, turningthose rocks, rocks, chiseling
them out.
That was what a carpenter was.
So jesus would have been a verystrong, strong, thick-handed.
I mean, I don't know if he wasa big guy, but he was a muscular
guy.
And then what does he choose ashis disciples?
The first three guys, the firstfour guys he chooses, are
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fishermen.
Well, fishermen spent theirentire day hauling these heavy
nets up and down, up and down,then hauling them out of the
water.
You know they're cleaning themall out.
They would have been big backed, big traps, strong, and then,
when they got into a school offish, all the other boats would
come over and start trying toknock them out of the school so
they could get.
This isn't fishing for fun,this is fishing for what?
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Is your wife going to have anice dress that week?
So these fighters fishing.
So this is this band of thugsthat comes walking in, not like
this heroin addict thing that wesee in the movies of Jesus.
He's a big, strong guy leadingbig, strong fist fighting guys,
and then he talks about beingmeek and gentle and loving.
So it's important to rememberthat.
The story I told.
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It's very important that younever do that out of pride.
I did that as a lesson to mysons and to defend preacher men
from this fool.
I did not do it.
I've been in enough fights, Idon't need to be anymore.
But I want guys to see God'snot looking for nice guys.
In fact, I find nice guys arethe ones that quit during the
fight or stab you in the backwhen they're threatened.
God is looking for kind men whowill stand for what's right.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
That's right.
That's right.
So, when you say to stand upfor what's right, because we
both understand that, but forguys looking right now and
they're facing family issues,schools now, disney right,
disney's going to redefinechildren's early life, right.
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All that crazy stuff that'sgoing on.
So what do guys do and how dothey discover that and what
would give them the courage tostand up and take a stand?
What would you say?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Well, the number one thing is you need to know God's
Word, because for you to knowwhat you're supposed to stand on
, you need to know His Word.
We're living in a time rightnow where Satan has had all of
human history to figure out howto deceive human beings, and
it's all coming to fruition atthis moment of deep confusion.
Um, there's a really great bookI'm reading right now.
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I can't remember the name.
It's um, I never remember thename.
It's a fascinating book, so sofascinating.
I can't remember the name, butit's talking about how there's
always been immorality in theworld.
Clearly we see that in thebible, but this is the first
time where people have takentheir identity from their
immorality.
Yeah, in human history, hassomeone said I am a homosexual?
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Someone was something else ablacksmith or a philosopher or
whatever that had same-sexattraction, but this is the
first time people are leading inAmerica and the Western world
by their identity.
So we need to understand whatdoes God say about those things?
So let's take that one.
Let's take sexual perversion,or you know lots of guys, some
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guys listening to this.
They've had kids come to themand say they have a problem.
Some of the guys themselves mayhave temptations in those ways.
It says in first corinthians,chapter six, that homosexuals,
alcoholics, slanderers,idolaters, adulterers will have
no part in the kingdom of heaven.
Um, what does that mean?
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Because the kingdom of heavenis not heaven.
Jesus makes it very clear todifferentiate.
There is being not condemnedJohn 3, 18.
If you believe in him, you'renot condemned.
If you don't believe, you'recondemned already.
But then Jesus goes on inMatthew 5 through 7, the Sermon
on the Mount.
He takes his disciples, goesaway from the crowd and says let
me teach you guys something.
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And he just goes on with thesevery tough demands.
Blessed are the poor in spirit.
Blessed are the meek.
Blessed are you when peoplepersecute you and say all
terrible things about you, andthen on and about avoiding lust,
about picking up your crossdaily and following me.
What is that?
That is how we enter thekingdom of heaven.
That is how we enter intodiscipleship with God so that we
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have the highest in rewards andcrowns of the judgment seat of
Christ God, so that we have thehighest and rewards and crowns
of the judgment seat of Christ.
Because you're either going tochoose life Romans, chapter 8,
walking in the spirit, or you'regoing to choose death, the
flesh walking in the death.
So now we go back to 1Corinthians, chapter 6, a list
of people.
God's not saying these peopleare going to hell.
He's saying these people cannotbe disciples, they cannot enter
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into the kingdom of heaven, thekingdom way of living.
If I'm loving cowardlyChristians say, well, you should
go, love those peopleAbsolutely.
And how do I love them?
By giving them the truth in aloving way.
And so never does God condemnsomeone for having temptation
and sin.
He condemns them for carryingout the sin.
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So we don't condemn someone forbeing a homosexual, having
those desires, but we do warnthem if they're carrying out
those acts.
God's word says, just as hedoes to the adulterer and the
alcoholic, that they cannotenter the kingdom of heaven.
And so we as brothers want todo everything we can to help
people get to the highest levelin their Christian walk with
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Christ that they can be so weare loving to them, which means,
by the way, when we do that,people are going to turn around
and call us terrible names.
And you know I've had all thesedeath threats on my life and
whatnot for standing up fortruth.
That's what goes with theprogram.
But in order to do that, yougot to start off by knowing what
is it I'm defending.
To make sure you're there,because Satan's liars are going
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to throw stuff at you and youdarn well better know what's the
truth and what isn't.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, Well, when Jesus was attacked after he had
his coming out day, when Godnamed him this is my beloved son
, in whom I love Satan's attackcame in on his identity.
If you are a son, then do this.
In other words, have you seenhow the lack of young people and
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older people having a father,how that has really skewed their
whole image and how they seethemselves?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, I go this whole thing with my sons about
identity.
Who do you see yourself as?
Because who you see yourself asis how you will behave in a
moment.
But in that parking lot I sawmyself as a ex Los Angeles
police officer who stood up forjustice.
Right, I didn't stop and thinkabout it.
I thought how dare you?
How many men have youhumiliated?
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I'm going to make sure youdon't do that again.
It I thought how dare you?
How many men have youhumiliated?
I'm going to make sure youdon't do that again.
How you see yourself is how youwill behave, and so we need to
get ourselves to seeing ourprimary identity as sons of God,
sons of the living God.
I would never want to make myfather look bad, and if we have
any identity in front of that,then we will not behave, firstly
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, as sons of god.
If I see myself as a cop firstor an nfl football player first,
that's you and me never goodenough.
Um, you know, or as a doctor,or as a harvard do it or as a
dad, or as a ceo, or as a guywho drives a porsche.
There's a million things thatmen get their identity from that
are that are um, some are goodor some are bad but our identity
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.
I'm gonna jump into anotherissue and talk about the race
issue, right?
yeah how do we fight racism?
Fight racism by understandingthat you see yourself as a son
of god.
Then you see people on adifferent level.
You see them as your equals.
I run around trying not to beracist.
All I am is just virtuesignaling.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
But if I understand, that's exactly right.
Yeah, yeah, why are the leadersof those movements, by the way,
white virtue signaling?
But if I understand and that'sexactly right, yeah, why are the
leaders of those?
movements by the way white, whyprogressive?
You know those kinds of peoplethat are fighting for all that.
And yet, as you know, it's apolice officer, and I did as a
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national league football player.
You know, I saw the man next tome, not the black man, though
he had gifts that I don't haveand I can't run a fo-fo in the
40-yard dash Right, but I needhim.
And together man we're not.
That's not the challenge of it.
And because aren't those alsothose places like police officer
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, all those?
Those are all roles that Godgives us to fulfill, Because our
true identity, you said it, isto be a beloved son.
When our identity is clear, thatwe're a son, then, like Christ
I mean, God didn't call Jesusthe King of Kings, Lord of Lords
, when he pulled him out of thatriver that day he said this is
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my beloved son.
The core existence of Jesus wasthat.
And the other thing that I loveso much is that, Jesus, you
know, there was nothing Jesuscouldn't do, except one thing
the Son of man can do nothing onhis own, but only what he sees
his Father doing.
So, Jesus, and then I love theend of that verse in Matthew.
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There it says for the Fatherhimself loves the Son and shows
him everything he does.
So Jesus lived in that sweetspot of following the Father's
working no matter where he was.
So it didn't matter if he waspersecuted, it didn't matter if
his group went from 500 to 12 orfrom 12 to 500.
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Jesus' core identity was sonfirst, which enabled him to live
out his story without gettingdiscouraged and knocked sideways
.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And, by the way, I do have to tell you one more story
tell me so, as a guy that youwould have been in the league
with and I don't remember hisname, I think it was billy ray
something but when I was on theboard of uh fellowship of
christian athletes in san diego,uh, he had played for the
chargers, linebacker for thechargers, so he about your age,
um, but his father had playedfor the Baltimore Colts.
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And so when, when, when thislinebacker guy was in junior
high school, his dad got into aroad rage thing, some guy acting
like a knucklehead, and theydrove on, and the next day his
dad was taken to school againand there was this guy waiting
in his car by the side of thefreeway in Dallas and jumps out,
you know, trying to dosomething, and run him off the
road.
So he says some son, you know, Itried to avoid the fight
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yesterday, but today obviously Igot to do something, so.
So he pulls off the off rampand this, this knucklehead,
pulls in next to him and jumpsout of the car, starts running
at the car.
Well, dad jumps out you know,defensive end for the Baltimore
Colts and the guy runs right upand he punches him one time and
knocks him out into the gutter,gets back in the car drives,
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drops him off at school.
So that night the Dallas policecome by, knock on the door.
Sir, did you knock somebody outin the gutter today?
He says well, yeah, how do youknow it was me?
They said well, the ambulancetook him to the the hospital.
They did an x-ray on hisforehead and engraved in his
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forehead it says baltimore coltsworld champions oh man, he hit
him with a super bowl ring onsuper bowl ring man no wonder he
went night night bootsy I don'tknow what we were talking about
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, but it was too good of a storyto let pass up no, no, it's
really.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It's all about you know, coming into this place for
men and you know we're dealingwith, like you are online, the
men's groups and teaching andeverything is that.
I had a group of guys inNewfoundland.
I didn't even know whereNewfoundland was 20 guys show up
, all big beards, so I startedto interview them on chat.
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I said well, why are you here?
We do free webinars for men andthey go.
Well.
I thought it was interesting.
You talked about how to becomea good husband and father.
I've been terrible ateverything.
I said, well, scale of 1 to 10,how good was your dad being
your father?
And I got 19 zeros.
And then I said next questionwas how good have you been as a
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father?
One, two, one, two, one, two,one, two.
I said how many of you guys goto church?
Three guys said what's that?
How many of you guys have heardabout Jesus Christ?
Who's he Really?
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I was just like what is it?
And then here's my lastquestion what's the number one
activity in the town for men?
We drink.
So I started sharing about thelove of Jesus and John 3.16 and
my story, openly weeping.
I mean this group of 20 guysopenly weeping, and they kept
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texting what is this?
We've never heard this before.
Wow.
And I said if you want Christ,you can have him.
And they prayed.
Fifteen of them raised theirhands, opened their
hands—they're not evencharismatic, they don't even
know what a charismatic is, theydon't even go to church—and
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they opened their hands justweeping because they had never,
ever, been blessed, spoken to bya man.
Because, see, part of what menneed and it's what's so powerful
about promise keepers, aboutbeing with other men and being
in groups and then having men,there's this transfer of
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permission when another manblesses another man right and
prays for him.
Tell me a little bit about howyou know, in promise keepers,
how you've seen how that'schanged the lives of men.
Oh, man.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, the letters I get are unbelievable about lives
change.
We had an event.
Our comeback event was atDallas Cowboys stadium last July
and we had 30,000 guys there.
The press reported.
It was written up in theWashington Post pretty well.
Usa Today came out and tried tocancel us before the event,
tried to get AT&T to not let usbe there, and then I got a
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massive amount of death threats.
I mentioned that earlier.
I mean you should have seensome of them.
I know they were brutal.
Does anybody know where thisguy lives?
We're going to hunt him down.
Someone says aren't you, aren'tyou worried?
You know that you get all thesedeath threats.
I go.
I mean this is some guy sittingin his boxer shorts behind his
keyboard screaming at his momfor his meatball.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
It's not some navy seal, you know navy seals, by
the way, don't do threats theyshow up in the swimming pool.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Women pull, you're gone, that's right we had 1500
people get saved oh man we hadthree women ushers who were
there, part of the staff whowere together crying, and one of
our ambassadors walked up andasked them what's going on.
They said we need someone tolead us to christ.
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So, after after nick boychik'saltar call led them to Christ,
somebody else went into thekitchen and led three of the
kitchen staff to Christ becausethey could hear the altar call
going on.
It was so powerful and thepress couldn't believe.
We had 30,000 people in themiddle of COVID and all that
stuff.
So that was phenomenal.
We're going to be coming back.
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We're doing an event in anarena that we're going to
announce soon.
We're in negotiations with acouple of them in October of
2022.
That's awesome 25 yearanniversary of Stand of the Gap,
which was 1.4 million mengetting to Washington DC.
That will kick off a massivetour.
We'll go all over the US.
It's really time for us to comeback.
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The goal this time, though, isnot to have big events.
We are having big events, butthat's not the goal.
The goal is to get men intowhat we're calling fire teams.
So when I went through MarineCorps officer, canada school
fire team is the basic fightingforce of the Marines.
It's four men, and what we'resaying is we've built an app.
Guys can get on the app.
Right now, there's 35 000 guyson the app and, shockingly,
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there's like 11 000 that youcount regular users.
That means they're on a coupletimes a week, 11 000 different
men across the world, so it'svery much used.
You can just download it thegoogle or the app store or
whatever, but we're trying todrive guys into relationship,
because we have an epidemic ofthe friendless american male yes
and that's one of the reasonswhy porn is such a massive
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problem in the church acrossamerica.
It's eviscerating men, it'seffeminizing men and um.
So we got to get guys to admitthat they have a problem.
We got to stop church churchingeach other meaning I'm okay,
you're okay, let's all pretendto be nice guys.
No, I'm not a nice guy, I'm abroken guy.
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I got problems, I screamed atmy wife, I kicked my dog and I
need to be.
That's what we need, rightthat's it.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, well, we gotta have this honest conversation
because, um the the see, Ibelieve the whole social network
.
You know some of the big guyswho started it, they're they're
fatherless men, yep, who createda platform so that somebody
would become their friend.
Yeah, without risk, withoutrisk so you have 10,000.
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nobody knows you and you don'thave a guy who looks at you and
says how you doing?
Man, I'm great, great, great,great, no, how you really doing
yeah or forgive my sin.
But it takes a much biggerlevel of humility to look at
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another guy and go.
You know I got some issuesgoing on in my life and would
you pray for me Until thathappens, men stay stuck when
they don't have somebody to goto, to get eye-to-eye with, to
ask the real is that what yourfire teams do?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yes, it's funny.
I just had a guy played playedthe nfl offensive lineman in the
nfl um.
He was 40 um and came to me andsaid I really need to meet with
you for dinner.
Okay, we got together fordinner and everything was great.
I mean, the guy's life's greatmarriage is great, everything
about him, loves, loves,scripture, all the whole thing.
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And after three hours of justhanging out and having good
brother time I said so what's up?
Something's up with you, what'sup?
He said I love money too much.
I just I don't know why, but Ilove money.
I can't, I want to serve God,but his wife's the CEO of some
huge company, he's got NFL moneyand he runs a really great
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other company.
I can't figure it out.
And I said to him well, thelove of money is really a
symptom of some other disease.
What you've got to figure outis why is it that you love money
?
Is it because you need securityand you never have enough,
which is a lack of faith in theLord?
Is it because you have pride,so you you got to have the
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biggest house and the biggestcar?
Is it wanting to conform toothers, so you want to belong to
the right club and be the right.
Like what is it that?
There you will find the seed ofthe evil that's in you that you
can wash out.
Now, that is what brothers do.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
He's struggling.
I love money and I can't getoff it.
What?
What do I do now?
We're following up on that andI've got him in with some other
guys that that were otherfootball player guys, cause you
guys were all crazy and got hitin the head too much.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
So I need to kind of tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
That's what fire teams do, right.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Here's another thing.
I'm going to lay a couple ofthings off on you that are that
are very interesting anddifferent, that you won't hear
from many people.
The first thing is men don't dorelationship by talking.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
So we have an effeminized society.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
We have an effeminized church.
Effeminized, not feminized.
Effeminized is a negativeconnotation on that meaning.
Our culture says dorelationship by talking.
Well, we don't talk, we doright.
And so you and I can have lunchtogether once a week for 20
years.
We'll never really be greatfriends.
We might go on a few times, butyou know we'll tell stories,
we'll laugh and giggle, but whenwe go skiing together or
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hunting together, or fishingtogether or play basketball or
whatever it might be, you knowwhen we're skiing and I watch,
you take a yard sale and then wego down to the lodge and have a
couple of beers and I make funof you all night.
Now we're friends.
That's what creates friends,and I saw how you behaved in
those moments of stress.
You know when we're hunting andyou, you missed the shot at the
buck, or and I saw you asstressful situations, and I'm
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realizing whether I can trustyou, cause I see what you do,
because men throughout thehistory of the world have needed
to interdependence to survive.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, our town.
I'm a blacksmith and you're thepreacher, and someone else is a
school teacher and someone elseis the baker.
And society requires each oneof us to step up and do our job,
cause if we don't, no one hashorseshoes because the
blacksmith didn't do his jobRight.
So we, as men, have to do that.
So the fire teams now are basedaround doing things together.
Bible study is great, butthat's not going to form
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relationship.
We want guys who have commoninterests.
If you're a golfer, gettogether with golfers.
So that's what we're drivingtowards, which leads to real,
true friendship and relationship.
Because now I know what you'rereally about a year of doing
stuff with you I know you waybetter than I would of 20 years
of having lunch and uspretending that we're both great
Christians.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
That's right.
No, that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
The other thing we have to get to is men are.
The number one fear I thinkmost men have is rejection by
women.
That sounds weird and when youfirst hear it you're like,
really, yeah, when you startlooking at violent arguments you
have with your wife, issues youhave in your life, it's somehow
when you feel like she'srejecting you or you don't feel,
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um, you know properly, I don'tknow, when you use the wrong
word there.
You know, loved by her.
Right now, we as a culture tomention social media what we've
done is we've taken the risk outof being a man.
So my sons will tell me they'rein their early twenties that
you would never ask a girl outon a date, right?
You, you would text her to sendyou a nude photo.
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No, they're not doing that.
These guys are great Christians, but that's how this culture
works.
And then you don't face anyrejection, you don't?
You don't actually.
Can I have your phone number?
Can I go on a date and riskrejection?
Right, we all did that.
You went to the school dance.
You had to ask the girl todance with you.
She said, oh, you're ugly, goaway.
And all your friends laughed atyou.
And I mean, that was our youthright, that's right.
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So what we've done in socialmedia is we've taken away the
risk of being a man, of beingrejected by women.
Now here's the other thingwe've done.
Video games is an epidemicproblem.
I just talked to a friend ofmine who runs a massive ministry
I won't say who he is.
He told me that they'restruggling with 20 or 20
something men who are not havingsex with their wives.
Their wives are coming infeeling rejected because their
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husbands now in my 20s Are youkidding me?
Like what kind of 20 yearoldyear-old right?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, like what A video game over come on, no joke
.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
All they want to do is play video games.
Because what do video games do?
They give you this feeling thatyou're saving the world without
taking any risk.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
That's exactly right or playing basketball and never
shooting a hoop and missing.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Right Never risking getting your nose broken.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
right playing golf and beating tiger woods, but you
never show up at the courts andlook him in eye to eye.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
You don't practice, you don't right?
Yeah, all that stuff.
So we've, we're taking risk outnow.
Let me just hold that as aplaceholder for a minute.
Let me take us back in historyfor a minute.
All cultures of all time havehad some form of dueling yes so
let's just go to the classicwestern.
Uh, you know, france or unitedstates.
Um, if I insult you, you arecompelled to challenge me to a
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duel.
Right?
I've insulted you in front of abunch of people.
Now, either you're insulted andyour place in society is is
really in trouble now, so youchallenge me to a duel now I
have to accept or my part insociety.
So now we're in a situationwhere one of us could die.
That's right for real peoplewere so polite, right, seriously
, I mean you think about?
I mean I have an english litdegree so I've read all these
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old books and people are likeridiculously polite because I
don't want to offend you and youdon't want to be offended.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Right Now, that kept going.
You're looking about the oldWest.
The old West was just guysdoing you know programming, they
go out there and you know bangbang.
Now that kind of went out inthe late 1800s but we still had
fist fighting.
I mean, all through ourgeneration, even in high school.
Right, you say something wrong,and and and we would punch each
other and the teachers will gohey, you asked for it.
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You know you shouldn't havecalled him a blankety blank.
So you think about a culture ofmasculinity.
Yeah, all those involve riskrisk of offending somebody, at
risk of getting hurt, risk offemale rejection.
Now we're living in a culturewhere there's no risk of any
kind.
I can sit on social media andcall you a giant turd and
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there's nothing you can do aboutit.
Right, I can have some idiot.
Hey, let's hunt this guy down.
We're going to kill him Really.
But all through human historyhe would have had to find me and
say that to my face.
You don't have to say it to myface anymore.
He can put it on some kind ofblog somewhere.
So we are trying to deal withnow a culture in which our young
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boys are not learning to be menbecause our culture has removed
all risks, or as much as theycan, and they're living in a
fantasy world that somehow theycan get through life without
risk.
Now, that will all comecrashing down at some point.
We, as men of God, need to beready to catch that thing when
it collapses.
And so the men who have stoodstrong, who know the lord, who
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know themselves, whoseidentities in being sons of god,
are going to be ready whensociety crashes.
Because, uh hey, I just hadsomebody here tonight to tell me
that her husband was on a phonecall with his IT team and one
of the guys in the IT team is atrans woman and and said I don't
feel very good today.
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I'm having woman problems.
Okay, this is a guy with adress on.
I mean to have woman problems.
And she said you know, herhusband had a hard time keeping
his mouth shut because it's anHR nightmare.
But at some point we're allwaking up to the ridiculousness
of where we're living.
We've reached a level offoolishness that is insane and
the world's going to wake up forit, and when it does, we, the
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men of God, have got to standthere and be ready to rescue
people, tell them about Christ.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
And when we do, most people are going to hate us?
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Jesus promised they would.
That's where they'll start,until we connect them to the one
who takes the hurt out of them,the ones who choose him, the
ones who choose life over death.
That's right, you know.
The disciples earned the rightfor Jesus to call them friends.
He said today I call youfriends.
I no longer call you slaves,because a slave doesn't know
what his master is doing, but Iam revealing my will to you.
Today I'll call you friends.
Why were the disciples calledfriends?
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After a period of time?
Because they persevered withChrist.
What's the next thing he tellsthem?
He says here's the good newsYou're my friend.
Here's the bad news.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
The.
The bad news.
The world's not going to hateyou.
That's right, and blessed areyou when you're persecuted for
my sake.
Matthew, chapter five, that'sright.
And so that's all part of thethe process.
Because you know um john wimberin heaven.
He was one of my spiritual dadsand but he said something that
that a young football player andhe taught this and said to me
privately.
He said you know, ed, faith isspelled R-I-S-K.
Yes, if you're not willing tostand on what God's promise is
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and risk your reputation, evenyour life, for doing what he's
called you to do, you will neverexperience what it's like to
live by faith.
And we've been called as men byGod to live by faith.
And we've been called as men byGod to live by faith.
I mean, our country wouldn'thave been founded if it wasn't
for men and women who decided Imean, think about Christopher
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Columbus getting in a boat andchallenging that the earth was
flat and first of all, theydon't have a compass, they don't
know what's up is up and downis down.
They had stars and they justpersevered.
And God met them in thatjourney in extraordinary ways.
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And so what would you say?
You know, as we kind of tiethese together.
Give me kind of your, you know,three or four kind of bullet
points of what you can tell menthat are watching right now so
they can take the next step andstart entering to this life of
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what it really means to be agodly man.
What would you tell them?
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Well, thanks for that invitation.
Let's let's go do a littleround through scripture.
So hebrews 10, 38 says but myrighteous one will walk by faith
, and if he draws back, my soulhas no pleasure in him okay, I
want to I want my lord to havepleasure in me right, and that
requires me walking by faith,and faith is action, as you said
.
that's right.
Ephesians 8 and 9, we all knowthe verse For by grace you're
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saved through faith, and this,not of yourselves, is a gift of
God, lest none of you shouldboast.
Essentially, hebrews 8 and 9says that we contribute nothing
A quote that was attributed toJonathan Edwards, but I don't
know if it was related to him.
But we contribute nothing toour salvation, except for the
sin that may have nailed oursavior to the cross.
There we go.
That's right.
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He 10 says now.
So, right after saying that,paul says for we are God's
workmanship, created in ChristJesus for good works, they were
prepared beforehand that weshould walk in them.
We should walk before we wereborn, each one of us.
The moment we got saved, webecame born again.
We became babies, we became achild that now needs to grow.
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And the Lord says he has amission for us to accomplish and
we either will or we won't.
Sin will keep us fromaccomplishing that mission.
Selfishness will, a lack ofunderstanding scripture, a lack
of being on our knees in prayer,seeking the Lord in
relationship with him.
So each one of us who've givenour lives to christ have a
mission god has for us.
We've got to seek that missionout.
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How do we seek that mission out?
Hebrews 10 38 we need to walkin faith.
Romans, chapter 8.
In romans 7 you have paultalking about the conflict of
the human being right outside ofChrist.
And at the end of Romans 7, hegoes the things that I'm
supposed to do, I don't do, andthe things that I don't want to
do, I do.
Oh, wretched man that I am, whowill rescue me?
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And then we have those greatwords that start Romans 8.
There is therefore now nocondemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus.
Now, throughout romans 8, paulgoes to describe what being in
christ jesus means.
A lot of people stop atsalvation.
Well, I said the prayer.
I believe now that got you bornagain.
Being in christ jesus.
Paul says if you walk in thespirit, it's life.
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If you walk according to flesh,it's death.
Yeah, he's talking to believers.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
If you choose your flesh, if you choose to please
yourself, if you choose not toseek out the mission God had for
you Ephesians 2.10, you willdie.
You will die in yourrelationships, you will not have
joy, you will have failedmarriages, you'll have screwed
up kids because you have nowisdom for it.
If you choose the narrow roadMatthew 5 through 7, the Sermon
on the Mount you will have life.
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You will have intimacy withChrist.
You'll have strong marriagewith your wife, unless she's not
a believer.
You will have wisdom to giveyour kids and lead them in the
right way.
And even if they go off badlook at Franklin Graham with
Billy they will come back.
So you either choose life oryou choose death.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
You know, there was an evangelist in Palestine who's
walking down the street andsees Franklin Graham with long
hair having a coffee, walks overto him, looks him in the eye
and says I got to tell you whatare you doing.
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Wakes him up.
He has this incredibleencounter with Franklin and the
next thing you know he's sittingin the seat of his dad,
standing up as a man, fulfillingwho God's called him to be.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
You remember who that evangelist was?
Speaker 3 (44:43):
I don't have his name off the top of my lips.
I'm at that age.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Well, you know, billy called James Robison and James
Robison is my spiritual fatherand said, james, I need you to
go find Franklin.
And I have not heard that, so Idon't know if that was James.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
It could have been James.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Yeah, and see what's so powerful about that?
Is that what you're saying andthe way you're describing this
for guys that are watching rightnow?
How many of you guys that arewatching are completely alone in
your story.
You're stuck in shame.
You hate where you are.
You feel behind.
Your wife isn't, you know,honoring you.
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You're even fearful about whatto do there.
Your children are giving youwhatever face right, and what
men need, what we need as men,is another guy to look us in the
eye and say let me tell yousomething, this is how you do it
, this is how you do it.
Follow me, man.
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That's so powerful for us asmen, when another man gives us
permission by.
First of all, the most powerfulthing we can do right is to
live it, and it's not the truth,you know, that sets you free.
It's the truth you do Amen.
You know that sets you free isthe truth you do.
And when we live it.
And then we look at—I rememberyears ago.
You know a pastor in a localchurch.
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You know it was like the Lordwas saying to me one day.
He says why are you teachingall the things you know?
Why don't you teach the thingsyou do and why don't you follow
you?
It changed our whole church andI said, look, you might get the
same sermon for the next fourweeks.
That's because I only know onething.
I'm only doing one thing, right, right.
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And so it's the man who becomesincarnational and lives that
life as a husband to a wife andas a father to his kids.
That's, by the way, how youprotect your children from the
wackadoodle world.
You be a father that they watch.
You pull off the side of theroad and say son, here's a
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little lesson.
This guy's threatening our life.
I'm just going to go.
Hey, look at all this andthey'll go.
Dad, what are you doing, dad?
What are you doing?
It's like a scene from themovie Apostle with.
Who was that famous actor?
Robert Duvall?
Yeah, because I'm fixing tohelp this guy understand the
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gospel the preacher's out in thefront beat.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I tell a story about my wife who was always pulling
over to help people and witnessto people.
She's such an amazing woman ofGod.
She's five foot 315 pounds.
One day tells me she was sohappy and she helped these two
migrant workers that they had.
They were pushing a freighttire down the road, so she stops
, puts them in her minivan andbrings her to a tire shop, buys
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them a new tire and witnesses tohim, drops them back off and
I'm like, okay, you pick twostrange men up and you put them
in your van and you're dropping.
Well, ken, I was, you know,giving him gospel.
I said, okay, no, my LA cop,baby, I appreciate that you're
doing that, but if for them tokind of assault you, they're
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going to have to take theirseatbelts off.
So what you want to do is youpush the gas down with
everything you got.
When you get to about a hundredmiles an hour, you slam on the
brakes.
I'm trying to tell them aboutJesus and I said, well, I just
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want to tell you how to get themto them sooner.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
I love that, ken, because you know what it's like.
You know just you being youtoday, just on this time.
We have no idea that the way welive our life with God in front
of other men gives menpermission to say it's okay to
be a man, it's okay to be strong, it's okay to have opinions,
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it's okay because it really isChrist in us that changes us,
Because God's promise inEphesians is that Blessed be the
God and Father of our Lord,jesus Christ, who has blessed us
in Christ with every spiritualblessing.
That's how we change.
We need God's blessing.
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And my favorite verse, whichactually turned my whole story
around as a man a little furtherdown in verse 4, it says even
as he chose us before thefoundation of the world and I
remember when I read that I wasjust I'd still get undone that
God chose Ken and Ed and everyman that's watching, before the
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foundation of the world, beforeJesus said let there be light.
God said in his mind this iswhat I've made Ken for, this is
what I've made Ed for, this iswhat I've made you for, if
you're watching, which meansthat no matter if you came from
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the best family in town and bornon Gucci sheets, or you were a
failed attempt at an abortionand you survived with no mom,
maybe no dad.
God has an eternal purpose inhis heart for you as a man, and
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when you discover it in Christand learn to receive those gifts
, you'll feel alive for thefirst time as a man.
Whether you're standing up andteaching your son about dealing
with a hoodlum, or you're goingin and throwing on those
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floaties and you're jumping inthat estrogen river where your
wife lives, where that monsterlurks that wants to eat you up
as a man, and you'll survive.
You'll tread water a lot, butGod will enable you.
Tread water a lot, but God willenable you.
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Ken, would you pray for the menthat are watching right now?
There's guys I know that arewatching who've been away from
Christ or maybe never reallytotally received them in their
life and they've never reallybeen given permission just to be
a man.
They've been, you know.
They've been sidelined bysocial media and video games, or
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maybe porn has grabbed them andthey're all sitting there going
.
Man, that's me.
Would you pray with them?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Father, I ask for your blessing on the men who are
listening to this.
I ask, right now some of themare hearing the voice of the
enemy who's whispering in theirear.
You think you want to change,but you can't.
You're condemned, you're notloved, you'll always fail,
because we're born with thatability to hear Satan's voice,
because every one of us was borna slave of sin, a slave of
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Satan, until you came and youwashed us clean.
But that voice is still thereand I pray, lord, you would shut
that voice off to all those whorealize that, if they confess
their sins, we're faithful andjust.
We'll forgive them their sinsand cleanse them from all
unrighteousness.
That's not a verse for theunbeliever, that's a verse for
the believer to be washed andclean.
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We all want to get to heaven,like in Revelation, chapter 6,
where we're wearing the whiterobes.
That are the robes dipped inthe blood of the Lamb the
forgiveness of sins.
Lord, the world lies to us,satan lies to us, and right now
we're being told not to be men,when it's the very thing that
that people need so desperatelya strong, masculine, loving,
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gracious men, men who will fight, not out of pride but out of
love for truth out of a hatredfor evil and for seeing people
be lied to, for seeing women beoppressed.
So, lord god, I pray that youwould capture them, these men,
right now, that the truth wouldnot fall by the wayside.
It wouldn't fall on a thornypath, the stony path, but it
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would fall on ears who want tohear and listen and obey, so
they can produce fruit 30 fold,60 fold or a hundred fold, as
you say in scripture.
Lord God, I pray that theywould not apologize to anybody
for being a man, but they wouldbe gentle, loving men like you
were in Scripture, powerful andstrong, a stonemason, muscular
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and yet meek, and loving thelamb that voluntarily went to
the slaughter for the good ofmany.
May we all emulate who you are,jesus, in your name.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
Amen, amen.
Thank you, my brother.
You are a blessing and foreverybody that's there, give
them all the links again.
We're going to throw them up onthe screen to be a part of what
you're doing.
Go for it.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah, let me just say this, that on April 28th we put
out an event called SexualIntegrity Event.
I think it's called Freedom.
I never know the names ofanything we do, but it's
unbelievable.
We've got John Bevere speaking,we've got Derwin Gray and we
have some guys answer somereally tough questions.
What do I do about same-sexattraction?
What if my child comes to meand says I'm a transvestite?
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How do I kick pornography?
I'm a transvestite.
How do I kick pornography?
It's a.
It's a program that you canwatch.
It's only an hour, is very hardhitting.
And then there's a 30 daychallenge on the app the promise
keepers app that you can go to.
That goes in a deep dive intoyour particular issue and helps
you find cleanliness.
As you said, it's not feelinggood, it's not believing the
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right things.
It's what did you do?
That's what did you do.
That's what makes you a man.
What do you do, not what yousay.
So don't listen to this and sayI'm gonna try really hard
because I feel bad.
No, well, we're.
Yeah, I choose life and I gottamake the action to do it, and
part of doing that is, if I wantto be a good offensive lineman,
I gotta lift weights and runsprints and sweat and smash
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heads with people all day longand go through all that pain.
For that, that three hours ofglory on Sunday.
Well, want to be a disciple ofJesus Christ.
You got to put in the work andso the promise keepers event,
that, the sexual integrity eventthat we had.
We have other virtual eventsthat we did as well on
leadership, on being a father,and we have viewership of over a
(55:23):
million guys on a lot of those.
In fact, one of them we had 1.4million people across the world
watch these virtual events.
So these are very well attended, they're very well done and I
can't suggest enough to yourguys that they go get the app
and watch that program.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
That's all right.
So check out the app.
We're going to put it on thescreen right now and for you to
go there and sign up, guys.
Well, I sure believe in whatyou're doing.
I'm praying for you and we have, as a gift for everybody that's
watching, my first book, theDifference a Father Makes, which
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difference in your family.
He was kind, but he wasn't nice.
You know, in America we reallyhave swallowed many, many lies
in the church.
One of them is that a greatChristian is the most prudent,
milly-mally, spineless guy outthere.
Right, that being a goodChristian means never losing
(00:20):
your temper and never cussingand never drinking and never
smoking and never really doinganything other than never
drinking and never smoking andnever really doing anything
other than sitting around andgoing.
Well, isn't that nice.
And well, it's funny, you know,when I read my Bible in Hebrews
11, god says I want you to takea look at these people.
He gives us the hall of faithand says these are who I want
(00:46):
you to emulate, and then heproceeds to list the most
screwed up list of people youcould possibly imagine.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Welcome to the Father Difference Podcast, where we
help men learn how to be thefather they were meant to be, so
that their children can livethe life that God has made them
for.
Each week, you'll find newpodcasts and interviews with men
who want to make the biggestdifference they can.
Your host, pastor EdTandy-McGlasson, has been
(01:10):
teaching and equipping men inevents and conferences for the
last 41 years in 14 differentcountries, and now here's Ed.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, welcome to Huddle Up Men's Event, where we
each month give you a broadcastof one of those guys that I get
to do what I did in the NFL.
I consider one of God'squarterbacks.
I get to play center again,even though I'm retired and I
(01:47):
don't need Advil though I'dstill take it for this job where
I raise my hand and call huddle.
I'm calling you guys to huddlearound one of God's quarterbacks
, ken Harrison, who's thechairman and CEO of Promise
Keepers.
That was begun years ago withincredible impact and it's
ever-growing and reaching somany people through digital
media, through their Zoom events, their stadium events.
(02:08):
You'll hear about all that, buthe's coming to share with us
today about just this wholeconcept, which is fascinating to
me what it means for a man tobe kind.
Right, the Bible calls us to bekind, but not necessarily nice,
and so let's welcome today Ken.
(02:30):
Well, welcome, ken.
I'm so grateful that you'rehere.
So what do you mean about?
How does this start out, thiswhole idea that you're sharing
with us?
What does it mean to be kindand not nice as a man?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Well, first of all, I don't want to be a quarterback.
I want to be kind and not niceas a man.
Well, first of all, I don'twant to be a quarterback.
I want to be like a defensiveend.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I want to hit somebody okay, you can be
defensive, end, but realizethere's a center.
I'm going to get that littlenod from the guard and I'm going
to hit him on his right booty,which means you got to cover my
man.
I'm pulling out to get that.
You know, lawrence Taylor, kenHarrison, coming from the blind
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side, baby.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, I was just like Lawrence Taylor, only a lot
slower.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You know, I actually, you know, when I played for the
Giants he was a rookie.
I had to block him every singleday.
He was incredible as an athlete, just probably the most gifted
defensive end you would ever see.
Except my Rams won thechampionship.
Donaldson, I got to shout outmy boys, though they didn't give
(03:40):
me any love.
You know.
No ring for retired NFL players, you know?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I mean seriously, is our Eric Donald?
Is he?
When they say I mean he's justold right, yeah.
But when they say he's the bestdefensive player ever, I'm
Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I'm sorry you know I can't.
Eric Donald is a great player,but there's no way he was a
Reggie White.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
No, and I got to block Reggie too when I was at
Eagles and got to play with themfor a while and he was, you
know, he'd run you over and thencome over and go.
Hey man, how can I pray for you?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And that segues to your question.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
He was kind, but he wasn't nice.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You know, in America we really have followed many,
many lies in the church and oneof them is that a great
Christian is the most prudent,milly-mally, spineless guy out
there.
Right, that being a goodChristian means never losing
your temper and never cussing,and never drinking, and never
(04:50):
smoking and never really doinganything other than sitting
around and going.
Well, isn't that nice and well,it's funny.
You know, when I read my Bible,in Hebrews 11, god says I want
you to take a look at thesepeople.
He gives us the hall of faithand says these are who I want
you to emulate, and then heproceeds to list the most
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screwed up list of people youcan possibly imagine.
He's like be like Rahab theprostitute.
Be like Japheth, who went outthere and had a great battle and
then came back and murdered hisdaughter because he got a
little too enthusiastic thereand had a great battle and then
came back and murdered hisdaughter because he got a little
too enthusiastic.
So these are screwed up,passionate people who say I will
(05:32):
not back down from a fight, Iwill not let evil into my city
during the day.
You know, think about Rahab.
Here she is.
She betrays every person she'sever known in her city.
They're all going to diebecause of what she did, because
she understands the truth ofgod's word.
So nobody in that list ofpeople, or anybody that we in
the proper nice american churchwould say are godly people.
(05:54):
In fact, we would say they'rehorrible people, we would judge
them.
And yet god says be like thosepeople, be passionate, fight for
you know what does isaiah 117say?
Stand up against injustice,fight for the widow and the
orphan.
Right?
Um, that's who I want to be,man.
I don't.
I don't want to be nice.
Sometimes I'll tell you a storythat's kind of funny.
(06:14):
I shouldn't say this, but youknow, you know me too well, and
so I'll start being too candid,right?
I remember, um, it's the guysthat don't know.
I used to be a Los Angelespoliceman and so I've been in a
lot of fights in my life, andone day I see these people out.
It's the day beforeThanksgiving, it's snowing
outside.
I live in Colorado.
(06:35):
Years ago, my boys were bothyoung.
They're both big, strappingguys now, but they were I don't
know 9, 10 years old.
We're at Costco and this boyand girl probably early twenties
come up to me and asked me formoney, and I could tell they
weren't really panhandlers.
They really did need money toget home.
They really were stranded.
So I handed her a box and Idrove off.
And as I drove off I thoughtwhat a knucklehead I am.
(06:56):
Why didn't I my wife was at ourchurch serving Thanksgiving
meals to the homeless why didn'tI take them to our church and
then get them a hotel?
Why did I just give them $20and run off?
So I tell my boys to screw up.
I just did apologize to themfor being a bad example for
Christ.
And so we're going to go takecare of those two.
So we turn back around, we getto the parking lot.
(07:16):
It's been 10 minutes.
I can't find them anywhere.
So I'm looking around and soI've got my my foot off the gas
of my truck, so it's just idling, going you know a couple of
miles an hour.
And I look over here.
There's nobody, kind of lookback over my shoulder and I hear
hey, there's violent.
Hey, there's a guy who's infront of my truck now who's
flipping me off so clearly.
(07:37):
He sees me barely coasting.
And this guy walked right infront of my truck, flips me off
and says I'm gonna effing killyou.
Well, he can't see into thetruck.
He's looking in my headlightsso he can't see that I'm a lot
bigger than he is.
You know this is obviously.
This is one of those guys whoyou know was a high school
football star oh yeah so I said,uh, boys, you're about to see a
(08:03):
lesson.
So I put my truck in the park.
I get out, he takes a look atme.
You know I'm 6'3" 230.
And he goes oh, hey, you know.
And he starts to back up and Igo well, I thought you were
going to.
I thought you're going to killme there, hero.
And so he starts to walk awayreally fast and he starts to run
over to his truck and he jumpsin his truck and he locks the
door and I go well, I'm stillwaiting for my lesson.
(08:25):
You know what are you doing?
And so I got back in my car.
My boys were like oh boy.
And I said, look, you guys needto understand that nothing I did
was out of pride and I didn'tlose my temper.
But if he stopped I was goingto knock that guy out.
And I said, because he's donethat to a hundred other guys,
yeah, he is humiliated.
How many men in front of theirwife and in front of their kids?
(08:47):
He's done it so many times thathe's now staring into
headlights of a truck notrealizing that the guy behind
the wheel is not somebody thatyou wanted to mess with.
He's done it that many timesand by me doing that I'll save
the next hundred guys from beinghumiliated by this fool.
Now I would argue and a lot ofpeople argue back with me that
that is Christian virtue,because I'm standing up for the
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next guy, because I know how tofight and I'm very comfortable
with it and I would have knockedhim out in the parking lot and
I would have called thatChristian virtue.
Like I said, lots of peoplehave a problem with me, but I
think they would be wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, well, it's because they translate.
They don't understand thatmeekness in the Bible is not
weakness, but it's strengthunder control.
It's used for God's purposes.
Right, the Lord's leading youand somebody's attacking your
family or challenging what areyou going to do?
It reminds me of this crazystory with me and Brian Holloway
(09:46):
.
We were growing up, we wereplaying pro football.
We're laying low in his car inNorthern Virginia going to a gym
and these two guys go by.
You know they were just, youknow they're just two rednecks
in a car, right.
And they see Brian roll downthe window and yell out the
(10:10):
N-word and say we're going tokill you.
You know you're in the wrongpart of Virginia, right.
So Brian, you know, rolls downthe window and gives him the
holy middle finger.
These guys get behind us,challenge us, chase us into a
parking lot at the gym.
(10:30):
Now I'm laying low, like myhead is only here on the seat.
So is Brian.
We both pull our bodies out.
They're only like five foot one.
You know Brian's six, seven.
Only like five foot one.
You know Brian's six, seven,six, eight.
I'm six four.
I had the dun-dun-duns back inthose days and these two guys
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look at us and they go I didn'tknow you were so big they jump
in the car and take off.
We laughed so hard in the midstof that because there are times
, especially right now in ourculture, where God is saying
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we're the men, we're the fathers, we're those that are not
afraid of being woke out ofbusiness right or being
marginalized, who are going tostand up in a loving way, but a
powerful way, in God's meek way,and say no, no, not that.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I think you're dead on and I think we need to
realize what strength is.
So how do we know what Jesusloves?
We look at what Jesus loves,right.
Well, we have this idea ofChrist.
Well, we forget Jesus was acarpenter.
What was a carpenter in ancientIsrael?
He was a stonemason.
The Romans came in and cut downall the trees and so things,
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furniture, were made out ofstone.
So you had a guy haulingmassive, couple hundred pound
rocks all the time, turningthose rocks, rocks, chiseling
them out.
That was what a carpenter was.
So jesus would have been a verystrong, strong, thick-handed.
I mean, I don't know if he wasa big guy, but he was a muscular
guy.
And then what does he choose ashis disciples?
The first three guys, the firstfour guys he chooses, are
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fishermen.
Well, fishermen spent theirentire day hauling these heavy
nets up and down, up and down,then hauling them out of the
water.
You know they're cleaning themall out.
They would have been big backed, big traps, strong, and then,
when they got into a school offish, all the other boats would
come over and start trying toknock them out of the school so
they could get.
This isn't fishing for fun,this is fishing for what?
(12:38):
Is your wife going to have anice dress that week?
So these fighters fishing.
So this is this band of thugsthat comes walking in, not like
this heroin addict thing that wesee in the movies of Jesus.
He's a big, strong guy leadingbig, strong fist fighting guys,
and then he talks about beingmeek and gentle and loving.
So it's important to rememberthat.
The story I told.
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It's very important that younever do that out of pride.
I did that as a lesson to mysons and to defend preacher men
from this fool.
I did not do it.
I've been in enough fights, Idon't need to be anymore.
But I want guys to see God'snot looking for nice guys.
In fact, I find nice guys arethe ones that quit during the
fight or stab you in the backwhen they're threatened.
God is looking for kind men whowill stand for what's right.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
That's right.
That's right.
So, when you say to stand upfor what's right, because we
both understand that, but forguys looking right now and
they're facing family issues,schools now, disney right,
disney's going to redefinechildren's early life, right.
(13:43):
All that crazy stuff that'sgoing on.
So what do guys do and how dothey discover that and what
would give them the courage tostand up and take a stand?
What would you say?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Well, the number one thing is you need to know God's
Word, because for you to knowwhat you're supposed to stand on
, you need to know His Word.
We're living in a time rightnow where Satan has had all of
human history to figure out howto deceive human beings, and
it's all coming to fruition atthis moment of deep confusion.
Um, there's a really great bookI'm reading right now.
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I can't remember the name.
It's um, I never remember thename.
It's a fascinating book, so sofascinating.
I can't remember the name, butit's talking about how there's
always been immorality in theworld.
Clearly we see that in thebible, but this is the first
time where people have takentheir identity from their
immorality.
Yeah, in human history, hassomeone said I am a homosexual?
(14:37):
Someone was something else ablacksmith or a philosopher or
whatever that had same-sexattraction, but this is the
first time people are leading inAmerica and the Western world
by their identity.
So we need to understand whatdoes God say about those things?
So let's take that one.
Let's take sexual perversion,or you know lots of guys, some
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guys listening to this.
They've had kids come to themand say they have a problem.
Some of the guys themselves mayhave temptations in those ways.
It says in first corinthians,chapter six, that homosexuals,
alcoholics, slanderers,idolaters, adulterers will have
no part in the kingdom of heaven.
Um, what does that mean?
(15:19):
Because the kingdom of heavenis not heaven.
Jesus makes it very clear todifferentiate.
There is being not condemnedJohn 3, 18.
If you believe in him, you'renot condemned.
If you don't believe, you'recondemned already.
But then Jesus goes on inMatthew 5 through 7, the Sermon
on the Mount.
He takes his disciples, goesaway from the crowd and says let
me teach you guys something.
(15:39):
And he just goes on with thesevery tough demands.
Blessed are the poor in spirit.
Blessed are the meek.
Blessed are you when peoplepersecute you and say all
terrible things about you, andthen on and about avoiding lust,
about picking up your crossdaily and following me.
What is that?
That is how we enter thekingdom of heaven.
That is how we enter intodiscipleship with God so that we
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have the highest in rewards andcrowns of the judgment seat of
Christ God, so that we have thehighest and rewards and crowns
of the judgment seat of Christ.
Because you're either going tochoose life Romans, chapter 8,
walking in the spirit, or you'regoing to choose death, the
flesh walking in the death.
So now we go back to 1Corinthians, chapter 6, a list
of people.
God's not saying these peopleare going to hell.
He's saying these people cannotbe disciples, they cannot enter
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into the kingdom of heaven, thekingdom way of living.
If I'm loving cowardlyChristians say, well, you should
go, love those peopleAbsolutely.
And how do I love them?
By giving them the truth in aloving way.
And so never does God condemnsomeone for having temptation
and sin.
He condemns them for carryingout the sin.
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So we don't condemn someone forbeing a homosexual, having
those desires, but we do warnthem if they're carrying out
those acts.
God's word says, just as hedoes to the adulterer and the
alcoholic, that they cannotenter the kingdom of heaven.
And so we as brothers want todo everything we can to help
people get to the highest levelin their Christian walk with
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Christ that they can be so weare loving to them, which means,
by the way, when we do that,people are going to turn around
and call us terrible names.
And you know I've had all thesedeath threats on my life and
whatnot for standing up fortruth.
That's what goes with theprogram.
But in order to do that, yougot to start off by knowing what
is it I'm defending.
To make sure you're there,because Satan's liars are going
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to throw stuff at you and youdarn well better know what's the
truth and what isn't.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, Well, when Jesus was attacked after he had
his coming out day, when Godnamed him this is my beloved son
, in whom I love Satan's attackcame in on his identity.
If you are a son, then do this.
In other words, have you seenhow the lack of young people and
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older people having a father,how that has really skewed their
whole image and how they seethemselves?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, I go this whole thing with my sons about
identity.
Who do you see yourself as?
Because who you see yourself asis how you will behave in a
moment.
But in that parking lot I sawmyself as a ex Los Angeles
police officer who stood up forjustice.
Right, I didn't stop and thinkabout it.
I thought how dare you?
How many men have youhumiliated?
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I'm going to make sure youdon't do that again.
It I thought how dare you?
How many men have youhumiliated?
I'm going to make sure youdon't do that again.
How you see yourself is how youwill behave, and so we need to
get ourselves to seeing ourprimary identity as sons of God,
sons of the living God.
I would never want to make myfather look bad, and if we have
any identity in front of that,then we will not behave, firstly
(18:45):
, as sons of god.
If I see myself as a cop firstor an nfl football player first,
that's you and me never goodenough.
Um, you know, or as a doctor,or as a harvard do it or as a
dad, or as a ceo, or as a guywho drives a porsche.
There's a million things thatmen get their identity from that
are that are um, some are goodor some are bad but our identity
(19:06):
.
I'm gonna jump into anotherissue and talk about the race
issue, right?
yeah how do we fight racism?
Fight racism by understandingthat you see yourself as a son
of god.
Then you see people on adifferent level.
You see them as your equals.
I run around trying not to beracist.
All I am is just virtuesignaling.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
But if I understand, that's exactly right.
Yeah, yeah, why are the leadersof those movements, by the way,
white virtue signaling?
But if I understand and that'sexactly right, yeah, why are the
leaders of those?
movements by the way white, whyprogressive?
You know those kinds of peoplethat are fighting for all that.
And yet, as you know, it's apolice officer, and I did as a
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national league football player.
You know, I saw the man next tome, not the black man, though
he had gifts that I don't haveand I can't run a fo-fo in the
40-yard dash Right, but I needhim.
And together man we're not.
That's not the challenge of it.
And because aren't those alsothose places like police officer
(20:10):
, all those?
Those are all roles that Godgives us to fulfill, Because our
true identity, you said it, isto be a beloved son.
When our identity is clear, thatwe're a son, then, like Christ
I mean, God didn't call Jesusthe King of Kings, Lord of Lords
, when he pulled him out of thatriver that day he said this is
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my beloved son.
The core existence of Jesus wasthat.
And the other thing that I loveso much is that, Jesus, you
know, there was nothing Jesuscouldn't do, except one thing
the Son of man can do nothing onhis own, but only what he sees
his Father doing.
So, Jesus, and then I love theend of that verse in Matthew.
(20:53):
There it says for the Fatherhimself loves the Son and shows
him everything he does.
So Jesus lived in that sweetspot of following the Father's
working no matter where he was.
So it didn't matter if he waspersecuted, it didn't matter if
his group went from 500 to 12 orfrom 12 to 500.
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Jesus' core identity was sonfirst, which enabled him to live
out his story without gettingdiscouraged and knocked sideways
.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And, by the way, I do have to tell you one more story
tell me so, as a guy that youwould have been in the league
with and I don't remember hisname, I think it was billy ray
something but when I was on theboard of uh fellowship of
christian athletes in san diego,uh, he had played for the
chargers, linebacker for thechargers, so he about your age,
um, but his father had playedfor the Baltimore Colts.
(21:50):
And so when, when, when thislinebacker guy was in junior
high school, his dad got into aroad rage thing, some guy acting
like a knucklehead, and theydrove on, and the next day his
dad was taken to school againand there was this guy waiting
in his car by the side of thefreeway in Dallas and jumps out,
you know, trying to dosomething, and run him off the
road.
So he says some son, you know, Itried to avoid the fight
(22:12):
yesterday, but today obviously Igot to do something, so.
So he pulls off the off rampand this, this knucklehead,
pulls in next to him and jumpsout of the car, starts running
at the car.
Well, dad jumps out you know,defensive end for the Baltimore
Colts and the guy runs right upand he punches him one time and
knocks him out into the gutter,gets back in the car drives,
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drops him off at school.
So that night the Dallas policecome by, knock on the door.
Sir, did you knock somebody outin the gutter today?
He says well, yeah, how do youknow it was me?
They said well, the ambulancetook him to the the hospital.
They did an x-ray on hisforehead and engraved in his
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forehead it says baltimore coltsworld champions oh man, he hit
him with a super bowl ring onsuper bowl ring man no wonder he
went night night bootsy I don'tknow what we were talking about
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, but it was too good of a storyto let pass up no, no, it's
really.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It's all about you know, coming into this place for
men and you know we're dealingwith, like you are online, the
men's groups and teaching andeverything is that.
I had a group of guys inNewfoundland.
I didn't even know whereNewfoundland was 20 guys show up
, all big beards, so I startedto interview them on chat.
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I said well, why are you here?
We do free webinars for men andthey go.
Well.
I thought it was interesting.
You talked about how to becomea good husband and father.
I've been terrible ateverything.
I said, well, scale of 1 to 10,how good was your dad being
your father?
And I got 19 zeros.
And then I said next questionwas how good have you been as a
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father?
One, two, one, two, one, two,one, two.
I said how many of you guys goto church?
Three guys said what's that?
How many of you guys have heardabout Jesus Christ?
Who's he Really?
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I was just like what is it?
And then here's my lastquestion what's the number one
activity in the town for men?
We drink.
So I started sharing about thelove of Jesus and John 3.16 and
my story, openly weeping.
I mean this group of 20 guysopenly weeping, and they kept
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texting what is this?
We've never heard this before.
Wow.
And I said if you want Christ,you can have him.
And they prayed.
Fifteen of them raised theirhands, opened their
hands—they're not evencharismatic, they don't even
know what a charismatic is, theydon't even go to church—and
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they opened their hands justweeping because they had never,
ever, been blessed, spoken to bya man.
Because, see, part of what menneed and it's what's so powerful
about promise keepers, aboutbeing with other men and being
in groups and then having men,there's this transfer of
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permission when another manblesses another man right and
prays for him.
Tell me a little bit about howyou know, in promise keepers,
how you've seen how that'schanged the lives of men.
Oh, man.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, the letters I get are unbelievable about lives
change.
We had an event.
Our comeback event was atDallas Cowboys stadium last July
and we had 30,000 guys there.
The press reported.
It was written up in theWashington Post pretty well.
Usa Today came out and tried tocancel us before the event,
tried to get AT&T to not let usbe there, and then I got a
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massive amount of death threats.
I mentioned that earlier.
I mean you should have seensome of them.
I know they were brutal.
Does anybody know where thisguy lives?
We're going to hunt him down.
Someone says aren't you, aren'tyou worried?
You know that you get all thesedeath threats.
I go.
I mean this is some guy sittingin his boxer shorts behind his
keyboard screaming at his momfor his meatball.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
It's not some navy seal, you know navy seals, by
the way, don't do threats theyshow up in the swimming pool.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Women pull, you're gone, that's right we had 1500
people get saved oh man we hadthree women ushers who were
there, part of the staff whowere together crying, and one of
our ambassadors walked up andasked them what's going on.
They said we need someone tolead us to christ.
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So, after after nick boychik'saltar call led them to Christ,
somebody else went into thekitchen and led three of the
kitchen staff to Christ becausethey could hear the altar call
going on.
It was so powerful and thepress couldn't believe.
We had 30,000 people in themiddle of COVID and all that
stuff.
So that was phenomenal.
We're going to be coming back.
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We're doing an event in anarena that we're going to
announce soon.
We're in negotiations with acouple of them in October of
2022.
That's awesome 25 yearanniversary of Stand of the Gap,
which was 1.4 million mengetting to Washington DC.
That will kick off a massivetour.
We'll go all over the US.
It's really time for us to comeback.
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The goal this time, though, isnot to have big events.
We are having big events, butthat's not the goal.
The goal is to get men intowhat we're calling fire teams.
So when I went through MarineCorps officer, canada school
fire team is the basic fightingforce of the Marines.
It's four men, and what we'resaying is we've built an app.
Guys can get on the app.
Right now, there's 35 000 guyson the app and, shockingly,
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there's like 11 000 that youcount regular users.
That means they're on a coupletimes a week, 11 000 different
men across the world, so it'svery much used.
You can just download it thegoogle or the app store or
whatever, but we're trying todrive guys into relationship,
because we have an epidemic ofthe friendless american male yes
and that's one of the reasonswhy porn is such a massive
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problem in the church acrossamerica.
It's eviscerating men, it'seffeminizing men and um.
So we got to get guys to admitthat they have a problem.
We got to stop church churchingeach other meaning I'm okay,
you're okay, let's all pretendto be nice guys.
No, I'm not a nice guy, I'm abroken guy.
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I got problems, I screamed atmy wife, I kicked my dog and I
need to be.
That's what we need, rightthat's it.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, well, we gotta have this honest conversation
because, um the the see, Ibelieve the whole social network
.
You know some of the big guyswho started it, they're they're
fatherless men, yep, who createda platform so that somebody
would become their friend.
Yeah, without risk, withoutrisk so you have 10,000.
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nobody knows you and you don'thave a guy who looks at you and
says how you doing?
Man, I'm great, great, great,great, no, how you really doing
yeah or forgive my sin.
But it takes a much biggerlevel of humility to look at
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another guy and go.
You know I got some issuesgoing on in my life and would
you pray for me Until thathappens, men stay stuck when
they don't have somebody to goto, to get eye-to-eye with, to
ask the real is that what yourfire teams do?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yes, it's funny.
I just had a guy played playedthe nfl offensive lineman in the
nfl um.
He was 40 um and came to me andsaid I really need to meet with
you for dinner.
Okay, we got together fordinner and everything was great.
I mean, the guy's life's greatmarriage is great, everything
about him, loves, loves,scripture, all the whole thing.
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And after three hours of justhanging out and having good
brother time I said so what's up?
Something's up with you, what'sup?
He said I love money too much.
I just I don't know why, but Ilove money.
I can't, I want to serve God,but his wife's the CEO of some
huge company, he's got NFL moneyand he runs a really great
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other company.
I can't figure it out.
And I said to him well, thelove of money is really a
symptom of some other disease.
What you've got to figure outis why is it that you love money
?
Is it because you need securityand you never have enough,
which is a lack of faith in theLord?
Is it because you have pride,so you you got to have the
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biggest house and the biggestcar?
Is it wanting to conform toothers, so you want to belong to
the right club and be the right.
Like what is it that?
There you will find the seed ofthe evil that's in you that you
can wash out.
Now, that is what brothers do.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
He's struggling.
I love money and I can't getoff it.
What?
What do I do now?
We're following up on that andI've got him in with some other
guys that that were otherfootball player guys, cause you
guys were all crazy and got hitin the head too much.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
So I need to kind of tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
That's what fire teams do, right.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Here's another thing.
I'm going to lay a couple ofthings off on you that are that
are very interesting anddifferent, that you won't hear
from many people.
The first thing is men don't dorelationship by talking.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
So we have an effeminized society.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
We have an effeminized church.
Effeminized, not feminized.
Effeminized is a negativeconnotation on that meaning.
Our culture says dorelationship by talking.
Well, we don't talk, we doright.
And so you and I can have lunchtogether once a week for 20
years.
We'll never really be greatfriends.
We might go on a few times, butyou know we'll tell stories,
we'll laugh and giggle, but whenwe go skiing together or
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hunting together, or fishingtogether or play basketball or
whatever it might be, you knowwhen we're skiing and I watch,
you take a yard sale and then wego down to the lodge and have a
couple of beers and I make funof you all night.
Now we're friends.
That's what creates friends,and I saw how you behaved in
those moments of stress.
You know when we're hunting andyou, you missed the shot at the
buck, or and I saw you asstressful situations, and I'm
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realizing whether I can trustyou, cause I see what you do,
because men throughout thehistory of the world have needed
to interdependence to survive.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, our town.
I'm a blacksmith and you're thepreacher, and someone else is a
school teacher and someone elseis the baker.
And society requires each oneof us to step up and do our job,
cause if we don't, no one hashorseshoes because the
blacksmith didn't do his jobRight.
So we, as men, have to do that.
So the fire teams now are basedaround doing things together.
Bible study is great, butthat's not going to form
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relationship.
We want guys who have commoninterests.
If you're a golfer, gettogether with golfers.
So that's what we're drivingtowards, which leads to real,
true friendship and relationship.
Because now I know what you'rereally about a year of doing
stuff with you I know you waybetter than I would of 20 years
of having lunch and uspretending that we're both great
Christians.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
That's right.
No, that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
The other thing we have to get to is men are.
The number one fear I thinkmost men have is rejection by
women.
That sounds weird and when youfirst hear it you're like,
really, yeah, when you startlooking at violent arguments you
have with your wife, issues youhave in your life, it's somehow
when you feel like she'srejecting you or you don't feel,
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um, you know properly, I don'tknow, when you use the wrong
word there.
You know, loved by her.
Right now, we as a culture tomention social media what we've
done is we've taken the risk outof being a man.
So my sons will tell me they'rein their early twenties that
you would never ask a girl outon a date, right?
You, you would text her to sendyou a nude photo.
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No, they're not doing that.
These guys are great Christians, but that's how this culture
works.
And then you don't face anyrejection, you don't?
You don't actually.
Can I have your phone number?
Can I go on a date and riskrejection?
Right, we all did that.
You went to the school dance.
You had to ask the girl todance with you.
She said, oh, you're ugly, goaway.
And all your friends laughed atyou.
And I mean, that was our youthright, that's right.
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So what we've done in socialmedia is we've taken away the
risk of being a man, of beingrejected by women.
Now here's the other thingwe've done.
Video games is an epidemicproblem.
I just talked to a friend ofmine who runs a massive ministry
I won't say who he is.
He told me that they'restruggling with 20 or 20
something men who are not havingsex with their wives.
Their wives are coming infeeling rejected because their
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husbands now in my 20s Are youkidding me?
Like what kind of 20 yearoldyear-old right?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, like what A video game over come on, no joke
.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
All they want to do is play video games.
Because what do video games do?
They give you this feeling thatyou're saving the world without
taking any risk.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
That's exactly right or playing basketball and never
shooting a hoop and missing.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Right Never risking getting your nose broken.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
right playing golf and beating tiger woods, but you
never show up at the courts andlook him in eye to eye.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
You don't practice, you don't right?
Yeah, all that stuff.
So we've, we're taking risk outnow.
Let me just hold that as aplaceholder for a minute.
Let me take us back in historyfor a minute.
All cultures of all time havehad some form of dueling yes so
let's just go to the classicwestern.
Uh, you know, france or unitedstates.
Um, if I insult you, you arecompelled to challenge me to a
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duel.
Right?
I've insulted you in front of abunch of people.
Now, either you're insulted andyour place in society is is
really in trouble now, so youchallenge me to a duel now I
have to accept or my part insociety.
So now we're in a situationwhere one of us could die.
That's right for real peoplewere so polite, right, seriously
, I mean you think about?
I mean I have an english litdegree so I've read all these
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old books and people are likeridiculously polite because I
don't want to offend you and youdon't want to be offended.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Right Now, that kept going.
You're looking about the oldWest.
The old West was just guysdoing you know programming, they
go out there and you know bangbang.
Now that kind of went out inthe late 1800s but we still had
fist fighting.
I mean, all through ourgeneration, even in high school.
Right, you say something wrong,and and and we would punch each
other and the teachers will gohey, you asked for it.
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You know you shouldn't havecalled him a blankety blank.
So you think about a culture ofmasculinity.
Yeah, all those involve riskrisk of offending somebody, at
risk of getting hurt, risk offemale rejection.
Now we're living in a culturewhere there's no risk of any
kind.
I can sit on social media andcall you a giant turd and
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there's nothing you can do aboutit.
Right, I can have some idiot.
Hey, let's hunt this guy down.
We're going to kill him Really.
But all through human historyhe would have had to find me and
say that to my face.
You don't have to say it to myface anymore.
He can put it on some kind ofblog somewhere.
So we are trying to deal withnow a culture in which our young
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boys are not learning to be menbecause our culture has removed
all risks, or as much as theycan, and they're living in a
fantasy world that somehow theycan get through life without
risk.
Now, that will all comecrashing down at some point.
We, as men of God, need to beready to catch that thing when
it collapses.
And so the men who have stoodstrong, who know the lord, who
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know themselves, whoseidentities in being sons of god,
are going to be ready whensociety crashes.
Because, uh hey, I just hadsomebody here tonight to tell me
that her husband was on a phonecall with his IT team and one
of the guys in the IT team is atrans woman and and said I don't
feel very good today.
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I'm having woman problems.
Okay, this is a guy with adress on.
I mean to have woman problems.
And she said you know, herhusband had a hard time keeping
his mouth shut because it's anHR nightmare.
But at some point we're allwaking up to the ridiculousness
of where we're living.
We've reached a level offoolishness that is insane and
the world's going to wake up forit, and when it does, we, the
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men of God, have got to standthere and be ready to rescue
people, tell them about Christ.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
And when we do, most people are going to hate us?
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Jesus promised they would.
That's where they'll start,until we connect them to the one
who takes the hurt out of them,the ones who choose him, the
ones who choose life over death.
That's right, you know.
The disciples earned the rightfor Jesus to call them friends.
He said today I call youfriends.
I no longer call you slaves,because a slave doesn't know
what his master is doing, but Iam revealing my will to you.
Today I'll call you friends.
Why were the disciples calledfriends?
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After a period of time?
Because they persevered withChrist.
What's the next thing he tellsthem?
He says here's the good newsYou're my friend.
Here's the bad news.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
The.
The bad news.
The world's not going to hateyou.
That's right, and blessed areyou when you're persecuted for
my sake.
Matthew, chapter five, that'sright.
And so that's all part of thethe process.
Because you know um john wimberin heaven.
He was one of my spiritual dadsand but he said something that
that a young football player andhe taught this and said to me
privately.
He said you know, ed, faith isspelled R-I-S-K.
Yes, if you're not willing tostand on what God's promise is
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and risk your reputation, evenyour life, for doing what he's
called you to do, you will neverexperience what it's like to
live by faith.
And we've been called as men byGod to live by faith.
And we've been called as men byGod to live by faith.
I mean, our country wouldn'thave been founded if it wasn't
for men and women who decided Imean, think about Christopher
(40:15):
Columbus getting in a boat andchallenging that the earth was
flat and first of all, theydon't have a compass, they don't
know what's up is up and downis down.
They had stars and they justpersevered.
And God met them in thatjourney in extraordinary ways.
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And so what would you say?
You know, as we kind of tiethese together.
Give me kind of your, you know,three or four kind of bullet
points of what you can tell menthat are watching right now so
they can take the next step andstart entering to this life of
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what it really means to be agodly man.
What would you tell them?
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Well, thanks for that invitation.
Let's let's go do a littleround through scripture.
So hebrews 10, 38 says but myrighteous one will walk by faith
, and if he draws back, my soulhas no pleasure in him okay, I
want to I want my lord to havepleasure in me right, and that
requires me walking by faith,and faith is action, as you said
.
that's right.
Ephesians 8 and 9, we all knowthe verse For by grace you're
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saved through faith, and this,not of yourselves, is a gift of
God, lest none of you shouldboast.
Essentially, hebrews 8 and 9says that we contribute nothing
A quote that was attributed toJonathan Edwards, but I don't
know if it was related to him.
But we contribute nothing toour salvation, except for the
sin that may have nailed oursavior to the cross.
There we go.
That's right.
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He 10 says now.
So, right after saying that,paul says for we are God's
workmanship, created in ChristJesus for good works, they were
prepared beforehand that weshould walk in them.
We should walk before we wereborn, each one of us.
The moment we got saved, webecame born again.
We became babies, we became achild that now needs to grow.
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And the Lord says he has amission for us to accomplish and
we either will or we won't.
Sin will keep us fromaccomplishing that mission.
Selfishness will, a lack ofunderstanding scripture, a lack
of being on our knees in prayer,seeking the Lord in
relationship with him.
So each one of us who've givenour lives to christ have a
mission god has for us.
We've got to seek that missionout.
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How do we seek that mission out?
Hebrews 10 38 we need to walkin faith.
Romans, chapter 8.
In romans 7 you have paultalking about the conflict of
the human being right outside ofChrist.
And at the end of Romans 7, hegoes the things that I'm
supposed to do, I don't do, andthe things that I don't want to
do, I do.
Oh, wretched man that I am, whowill rescue me?
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And then we have those greatwords that start Romans 8.
There is therefore now nocondemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus.
Now, throughout romans 8, paulgoes to describe what being in
christ jesus means.
A lot of people stop atsalvation.
Well, I said the prayer.
I believe now that got you bornagain.
Being in christ jesus.
Paul says if you walk in thespirit, it's life.
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If you walk according to flesh,it's death.
Yeah, he's talking to believers.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
If you choose your flesh, if you choose to please
yourself, if you choose not toseek out the mission God had for
you Ephesians 2.10, you willdie.
You will die in yourrelationships, you will not have
joy, you will have failedmarriages, you'll have screwed
up kids because you have nowisdom for it.
If you choose the narrow roadMatthew 5 through 7, the Sermon
on the Mount you will have life.
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You will have intimacy withChrist.
You'll have strong marriagewith your wife, unless she's not
a believer.
You will have wisdom to giveyour kids and lead them in the
right way.
And even if they go off badlook at Franklin Graham with
Billy they will come back.
So you either choose life oryou choose death.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
You know, there was an evangelist in Palestine who's
walking down the street andsees Franklin Graham with long
hair having a coffee, walks overto him, looks him in the eye
and says I got to tell you whatare you doing.
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Wakes him up.
He has this incredibleencounter with Franklin and the
next thing you know he's sittingin the seat of his dad,
standing up as a man, fulfillingwho God's called him to be.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
You remember who that evangelist was?
Speaker 3 (44:43):
I don't have his name off the top of my lips.
I'm at that age.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Well, you know, billy called James Robison and James
Robison is my spiritual fatherand said, james, I need you to
go find Franklin.
And I have not heard that, so Idon't know if that was James.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
It could have been James.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Yeah, and see what's so powerful about that?
Is that what you're saying andthe way you're describing this
for guys that are watching rightnow?
How many of you guys that arewatching are completely alone in
your story.
You're stuck in shame.
You hate where you are.
You feel behind.
Your wife isn't, you know,honoring you.
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You're even fearful about whatto do there.
Your children are giving youwhatever face right, and what
men need, what we need as men,is another guy to look us in the
eye and say let me tell yousomething, this is how you do it
, this is how you do it.
Follow me, man.
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That's so powerful for us asmen, when another man gives us
permission by.
First of all, the most powerfulthing we can do right is to
live it, and it's not the truth,you know, that sets you free.
It's the truth you do Amen.
You know that sets you free isthe truth you do.
And when we live it.
And then we look at—I rememberyears ago.
You know a pastor in a localchurch.
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You know it was like the Lordwas saying to me one day.
He says why are you teachingall the things you know?
Why don't you teach the thingsyou do and why don't you follow
you?
It changed our whole church andI said, look, you might get the
same sermon for the next fourweeks.
That's because I only know onething.
I'm only doing one thing, right, right.
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And so it's the man who becomesincarnational and lives that
life as a husband to a wife andas a father to his kids.
That's, by the way, how youprotect your children from the
wackadoodle world.
You be a father that they watch.
You pull off the side of theroad and say son, here's a
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little lesson.
This guy's threatening our life.
I'm just going to go.
Hey, look at all this andthey'll go.
Dad, what are you doing, dad?
What are you doing?
It's like a scene from themovie Apostle with.
Who was that famous actor?
Robert Duvall?
Yeah, because I'm fixing tohelp this guy understand the
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gospel the preacher's out in thefront beat.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I tell a story about my wife who was always pulling
over to help people and witnessto people.
She's such an amazing woman ofGod.
She's five foot 315 pounds.
One day tells me she was sohappy and she helped these two
migrant workers that they had.
They were pushing a freighttire down the road, so she stops
, puts them in her minivan andbrings her to a tire shop, buys
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them a new tire and witnesses tohim, drops them back off and
I'm like, okay, you pick twostrange men up and you put them
in your van and you're dropping.
Well, ken, I was, you know,giving him gospel.
I said, okay, no, my LA cop,baby, I appreciate that you're
doing that, but if for them tokind of assault you, they're
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going to have to take theirseatbelts off.
So what you want to do is youpush the gas down with
everything you got.
When you get to about a hundredmiles an hour, you slam on the
brakes.
I'm trying to tell them aboutJesus and I said, well, I just
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want to tell you how to get themto them sooner.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
I love that, ken, because you know what it's like.
You know just you being youtoday, just on this time.
We have no idea that the way welive our life with God in front
of other men gives menpermission to say it's okay to
be a man, it's okay to be strong, it's okay to have opinions,
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it's okay because it really isChrist in us that changes us,
Because God's promise inEphesians is that Blessed be the
God and Father of our Lord,jesus Christ, who has blessed us
in Christ with every spiritualblessing.
That's how we change.
We need God's blessing.
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And my favorite verse, whichactually turned my whole story
around as a man a little furtherdown in verse 4, it says even
as he chose us before thefoundation of the world and I
remember when I read that I wasjust I'd still get undone that
God chose Ken and Ed and everyman that's watching, before the
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foundation of the world, beforeJesus said let there be light.
God said in his mind this iswhat I've made Ken for, this is
what I've made Ed for, this iswhat I've made you for, if
you're watching, which meansthat no matter if you came from
(50:07):
the best family in town and bornon Gucci sheets, or you were a
failed attempt at an abortionand you survived with no mom,
maybe no dad.
God has an eternal purpose inhis heart for you as a man, and
(50:27):
when you discover it in Christand learn to receive those gifts
, you'll feel alive for thefirst time as a man.
Whether you're standing up andteaching your son about dealing
with a hoodlum, or you're goingin and throwing on those
(50:47):
floaties and you're jumping inthat estrogen river where your
wife lives, where that monsterlurks that wants to eat you up
as a man, and you'll survive.
You'll tread water a lot, butGod will enable you.
Tread water a lot, but God willenable you.
(51:09):
Ken, would you pray for the menthat are watching right now?
There's guys I know that arewatching who've been away from
Christ or maybe never reallytotally received them in their
life and they've never reallybeen given permission just to be
a man.
They've been, you know.
They've been sidelined bysocial media and video games, or
(51:31):
maybe porn has grabbed them andthey're all sitting there going
.
Man, that's me.
Would you pray with them?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Father, I ask for your blessing on the men who are
listening to this.
I ask, right now some of themare hearing the voice of the
enemy who's whispering in theirear.
You think you want to change,but you can't.
You're condemned, you're notloved, you'll always fail,
because we're born with thatability to hear Satan's voice,
because every one of us was borna slave of sin, a slave of
(52:05):
Satan, until you came and youwashed us clean.
But that voice is still thereand I pray, lord, you would shut
that voice off to all those whorealize that, if they confess
their sins, we're faithful andjust.
We'll forgive them their sinsand cleanse them from all
unrighteousness.
That's not a verse for theunbeliever, that's a verse for
the believer to be washed andclean.
(52:25):
We all want to get to heaven,like in Revelation, chapter 6,
where we're wearing the whiterobes.
That are the robes dipped inthe blood of the Lamb the
forgiveness of sins.
Lord, the world lies to us,satan lies to us, and right now
we're being told not to be men,when it's the very thing that
that people need so desperatelya strong, masculine, loving,
(52:49):
gracious men, men who will fight, not out of pride but out of
love for truth out of a hatredfor evil and for seeing people
be lied to, for seeing women beoppressed.
So, lord god, I pray that youwould capture them, these men,
right now, that the truth wouldnot fall by the wayside.
It wouldn't fall on a thornypath, the stony path, but it
(53:12):
would fall on ears who want tohear and listen and obey, so
they can produce fruit 30 fold,60 fold or a hundred fold, as
you say in scripture.
Lord God, I pray that theywould not apologize to anybody
for being a man, but they wouldbe gentle, loving men like you
were in Scripture, powerful andstrong, a stonemason, muscular
(53:32):
and yet meek, and loving thelamb that voluntarily went to
the slaughter for the good ofmany.
May we all emulate who you are,jesus, in your name.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
Amen, amen.
Thank you, my brother.
You are a blessing and foreverybody that's there, give
them all the links again.
We're going to throw them up onthe screen to be a part of what
you're doing.
Go for it.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah, let me just say this, that on April 28th we put
out an event called SexualIntegrity Event.
I think it's called Freedom.
I never know the names ofanything we do, but it's
unbelievable.
We've got John Bevere speaking,we've got Derwin Gray and we
have some guys answer somereally tough questions.
What do I do about same-sexattraction?
What if my child comes to meand says I'm a transvestite?
(54:19):
How do I kick pornography?
I'm a transvestite.
How do I kick pornography?
It's a.
It's a program that you canwatch.
It's only an hour, is very hardhitting.
And then there's a 30 daychallenge on the app the promise
keepers app that you can go to.
That goes in a deep dive intoyour particular issue and helps
you find cleanliness.
As you said, it's not feelinggood, it's not believing the
(54:41):
right things.
It's what did you do?
That's what did you do.
That's what makes you a man.
What do you do, not what yousay.
So don't listen to this and sayI'm gonna try really hard
because I feel bad.
No, well, we're.
Yeah, I choose life and I gottamake the action to do it, and
part of doing that is, if I wantto be a good offensive lineman,
I gotta lift weights and runsprints and sweat and smash
(55:02):
heads with people all day longand go through all that pain.
For that, that three hours ofglory on Sunday.
Well, want to be a disciple ofJesus Christ.
You got to put in the work andso the promise keepers event,
that, the sexual integrity eventthat we had.
We have other virtual eventsthat we did as well on
leadership, on being a father,and we have viewership of over a
(55:23):
million guys on a lot of those.
In fact, one of them we had 1.4million people across the world
watch these virtual events.
So these are very well attended, they're very well done and I
can't suggest enough to yourguys that they go get the app
and watch that program.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
That's all right.
So check out the app.
We're going to put it on thescreen right now and for you to
go there and sign up, guys.
Well, I sure believe in whatyou're doing.
I'm praying for you and we have, as a gift for everybody that's
watching, my first book, theDifference a Father Makes, which
we are now over 400,000 bookseither downloaded or sold.
(56:01):
I wish they were all sold, thatwould be really good, but we
have over 100,000 downloads inthe last 12 months.
Wow, guys, who are starting tounderstand about what it means
to be a father, be a husband andbe blessed by God.
So if you want that, it will bethere as well for you.
So if you want that, it'll bethere as well for you.
(56:25):
And remember, it's never toolate for God to turn around your
story and make you into the manhe has dreamed you to be.
Bless you guys.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
We hope you enjoyed the Father Difference podcast.
Are you ready to learn moreabout the Father Difference?
Well, we have a special giftfor you in the bio to help you
get started.
Remember the Father loves youand wants you to make the Father
difference in your family.
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