April 8, 2024 • 33 mins
Season 2 Episode 01 Part 1
"Conquering Oceans and Fears: A Voyage with Karlis Bardelis"
Embark on an adventure with Karlis Bardelis, a fearless world traveler, entrepreneur, and motivational speaker. In part 1 of this gripping three-part episode, join host Michael Devous as he introduces Karlis and delves into the beginnings of his extraordinary journey. Known for his daring exploits, including rowboating across the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian Oceans, Bardelis shares his remarkable journey of overcoming fear, pushing boundaries, and embracing challenges. This episode promises to inspire listeners with unique insights on fearlessness, resilience, and the power of the human spirit. From rowing solo across oceans to roller skating across Europe, Karlis shares his awe-inspiring tales of courage, resilience, and pushing personal limits. Discover the power of fearlessness and entrepreneurship as Karlis reflects on overcoming obstacles, facing adversity, and embracing the mindset needed to conquer the unknown. Tune in and prepare to be captivated by Karlis's fearless spirit and the thrilling start to his remarkable adventure. Stay tuned for parts 2 and 3 as the saga continues on the Fearless Road podcast.
Key Takeaways:
- Karlis Bardelis embodies fearlessness through his daring adventures, including rowing solo across oceans and roller skating across Europe.
- Overcoming obstacles and embracing a fearless mindset are essential for achieving extraordinary feats.
- Surrounding oneself with inspiration and curiosity can fuel the desire to push personal limits and embark on epic adventures.
Quotes:
- "Most of us, when we're in the entrepreneurial journey, the risks we take aren't going to cost us our lives."
- "Our failures are nothing compared to one failure in the middle of the ocean in a small rowboat."
- "There is something in each one of us that resonates with something outside that we haven't yet tapped into."
Lessons:
- Embrace fear as fuel for pushing personal limits and achieving remarkable goals.
- Surround yourself with inspiration and curiosity to maintain a fearless mindset.
- Stories of human achievement and resilience can inspire and motivate others to pursue their own adventures.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey there, everybody, and welcome to the Fearless.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Road podcast, where we explore entrepreneurial
insights, stories and advice onembracing fear, breaking
boundaries and achieving goalson the road to success.
I'm your host, michael DeVue,and after years of overcoming
obstacles and tragedy, I beganto wonder how does someone
become fearless?
Well, that's exactly what we'regoing to find out.
(00:27):
In every episode.
We dive into the lives ofindividuals who've learned to
turn fear into fuel, face someincredible challenges and
cultivate a fearless mindsetwhile navigating their fearless
road.
So join me for in-depthinterviews with some amazing
people where we investigate moredeeply the valleys on their
road to success because thevalleys are where character is
(00:48):
built, foundations are laid andwhere the fearless are born.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Welcome to the Fearless Road Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hey everybody and welcome back to the Fearless
Road Podcast.
Season two gets off this monthand gets off its ass is what I
mean.
We've been on a huge break.
I wanted to call it a hiatus,but then I thought hiatus from
my understanding, I thought itwas a shorter term and so, like
(01:19):
we went into the fall, we wentinto December for the holidays
and I had actually planned onreleasing season two and coming
out with season two in January,and then I decided I needed to
push it back a little bit andreconsider the the, the format
of our shows, how we were doingthem.
They're really long episodes, bythe way, um, which I enjoy
because they're very in-depthconversations and stuff, but I
(01:39):
wanted to look at a way to editthem down and put them into more
bite-sized pieces and I justcouldn't quite get there.
I really enjoyed, or enjoy, thelong, lengthy, in-depth
conversations.
I think there's an audience forthat.
I know it might be smaller andit doesn't appeal to the quick
bite.
You know quick fix people outthere.
So what I did was I decidedinstead keep the long version
(02:04):
but also add a new show, by theway, surprise, called Fearless
Thinking, and that is going tobe like 10 to 12 minute
bite-sized pieces, little chunks, little pieces, easily
digestible format.
Then the long, slightly windedversion of the Fearless Road
podcast, which is usually aboutan hour and 15 to an hour and a
half of really in-depthconversations.
(02:27):
And that plan was derailed byan entire month of getting sick
in February.
Weirdly enough it wasn't COVID,but whatever it was, it was a
doozy and I was out for anentire month.
And then I had to push back alot of other businesses, things
in the pipeline, projects thatwere lined up, clients and
(02:49):
things all had to get pushedback in order to make space for
the fact that I was out for anentire month.
And here we are Now.
It is coming up on April 1st.
I'm getting ready to releasethis bad boy for episode one
into season two of the FearlessRoad podcast.
And you know what I'm soexcited?
(03:11):
Because episode one I've beensitting on this episode for a
long time.
It's with Carlos Bartolis.
He is from Europe.
He's from, I believe, if I'mnot mistaken, the Netherlands,
latvia.
Anyway, I may have that wrong,but anyway he is this incredibly
ambitious, incredibly brave andfearless world traveler who is
(03:33):
also an entrepreneur andmotivational speaker.
One of the things.
One of the things that he does.
I love it.
One of the things he literallyrow boats like rows in a boat
around the world.
He has rowed, by himself in aboat, across the Atlantic,
across the Pacific, across theIndian Ocean.
I mean, my God, when you thinkabout the feats of bravery and
(03:56):
adventure that this man has totake on, or does take on, when
he's out there in the middle ofthe ocean alone by himself, and
it's just him and his mind andhis wits about him having to
problem solve.
It's fascinating when you hearhim talk about what you have to
reduce everything down to inorder to get to the solution,
and sometimes what's magicalabout that is your mind will
(04:17):
really come up with ways to saveyour ass in some of these
situations, because that's kindof what it comes down to, right
Most of us, when we're in theentrepreneurial journey.
The risks we take aren't goingto cost us our lives, and I love
that this puts these thingsinto perspective for us, because
what we do, while it mightchange lives and impact some
lives, it's never going to killanybody, least of all us,
(04:40):
especially if we fail right.
Our failures are nothingcompared to one failure in the
middle of the ocean in a smallrowboat, and what that could
cost you, you know, and whatthis show costs you Nothing but
your time and your attention,which I appreciate, and I want
to tell you that I do.
I really appreciate your timeand attention.
That's very valuable to me.
I'm very aware of the fact thatmost of us are getting used and
(05:04):
abused by the social media powergiants out there that just want
more of our eyeballs, ourprecious and valuable time,
attention and our talents, andthey're sucking they're sucking
the passion out of us and theydon't deserve it.
You deserve a better place.
You deserve a betteropportunity.
I'm actually building thatplace.
It's a community called theAscend Hub coming this summer,
(05:26):
and it's for entrepreneurs,aspiring entrepreneurs, leaders,
executives and mentors, anybodyon that road, on that path that
is trying to come together notonly to collaborate and share
their wisdom and their strengthswith one another, but share in
the collaborative educationaljourney of both resources
education courses, coaching,mentorship, workshops, live
(05:48):
webinars, you name it.
We're going to have it in thereand it's going to be all in one
place, kind of like ragu.
You know it's in there, so moreon that will come later.
Get a chance.
Make sure you like andsubscribe Not only this series
with the Fearless Road podcast,but also the new one, fearless
Thinking, with yours truly, myshort and more bite-sized,
(06:09):
digestible, easily digestibleseries called Fearless Thinking,
launching on April 1st on allyour favorite platforms.
So, without further ado which Isay all the time and I still
don't know what it means let'sget straight to season two,
episode one with carlos bartalusstay fearless, okay, you ready
(06:33):
yeah, good to go um, awesome,okay, um.
Ladies and gentlemen, a welcometo the fearless road podcast
episode.
I don't even know which episodethis is going to be, because I
haven't decided when I'm goingto showcase this episode,
although I will tell you thattoday I'm exceedingly excited
(06:54):
about my guest on the programfor a number of reasons, least
of which is the six GuinnessWorld Records and the fact that
this individual has navigated,circumnavigated the entire globe
by boat, rowing by himself onthe oceans.
Some of the things that you runinto with fear in this world, as
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an entrepreneur, a businessperson or what have you, that
make you reticent, that causeyou to rethink your strategies
and your patterns, that make youwonder whether or not you're
going to be successful, areprobably nothing compared to the
fear that you would face in themiddle of the ocean alone.
And if it's not a testament toa person's strength and
(07:39):
fortitude and constitution, itis a testament to the human
endeavor and what we canaccomplish when we put our minds
to it and when we really makemagic happen.
And today my guest is CarlosBartalus, a world-renowned
personal rower Olympic Iwouldn't say Olympic because you
haven't competed in theOlympics yet, but you did go to
(08:01):
the Olympics and we will getinto that in a little bit.
But Carlos Bartles is with us,he's not in a boat, he is in
studio, absolutely.
He is going to be sharing withus.
Yes, he's going to be sharingwith us some incredible stories
and sharing with us his fearlessjourney.
So, everybody, please welcometo the Fearless Road Podcast,
carlos Bartolos.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Hello, welcome on board Michael and everyone who
is listening.
This is Captain Carlos,speaking here from a very couch,
first from today, but it's beenit's been some time in the
ocean and it's been some timeacross three, three oceans.
(08:46):
I unfortunately I have tocorrect you a little bit because
I still I'm a circumnavigatorin the process.
I still have to cross Africa onmy bicycle, but well, it's only
5,000 kilometers.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I guess I'm going to have to bring you back on the
show once you're finished sothat we can talk about when
you're done and I can make theofficial announcement about it.
When you're done and I can makethe official announcement about
it, I'm glad to be here, thanks.
Well, thank you.
Thank you for joining us.
I love how we connected via theSpeaker Lab.
(09:27):
I love that you're bringingyour message to the world and
taking it beyond the ocean andbeyond your own personal
experience in the waters and howdealing with and facing your
own personal fears andshortcomings, your own limits,
and pushing those to the extremecan help a person think outside
the box, approach problemsolving from a different
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perspective and address theirown personal challenges and
hurdles a little bit differently.
And I think that's anincredible message to be sharing
with the world.
Before we get into, sort oflike, all of those different
things, share with us a littlebit of your background, if you
will, for the audience whodoesn't know you and doesn't
know your experience, how yougot to where you are.
(10:10):
As you say, connect the dotsfor us on your professional and
your personal journey and howyou took this on.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, all right, let's start.
Let's start in just all.
This Board of Borders storystarted 10 years ago and that's
been an incredible journey.
Well, under the name of Boardof Borders, I do many type of
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human endeavors I would sayadventures but before that, I
was working as an environmentalengineer in a company, in a
recycling company, which isactually my education and my
background bachelor in economicsand master degree in
(11:03):
environmental management.
So, yeah, that was what I wasdoing before and before all
these big adventures.
And you know, I had a hobby Iloved to climb mountains on my
vacations, and one week or onemaximum one month in a year, I
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could get a vacation.
And after some of thoseholidays, I was thinking that
how I could prolong this timethat I'm spending in adventure,
because that's where Europemyself I'm from, north Eastern
Europe, from Latvia.
(12:01):
It's a quite small country, butwe have some climbers even here
and some rowers and some peoplewho dare to go on the big
journeys and adventures.
So that's my background.
I was actually a guy from theoffice, basically, and in 2015,
(12:22):
I just Googled how to row anocean.
So that's how you start.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
That's how you start basically, that's how you start,
ladies and gentlemen, thatrabbit hole that most of us go
down when we Google.
Carlos took that seriously.
He took that rabbit hole.
Just so you're aware, those ofyou who can't see us, you're
just listening to the podcast.
Carlos is wearing a blackturtleneck and I am wearing a
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black turtleneck.
We did not plan this.
It happens to be cold here,where I met in the mountains of
new mexico.
It's also freezing cold wherecarlos is in latvia, which you
said, I think it's one degreecelsius there's one degree
celsius now outside.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
So yeah, so pretty.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, we're both in turtlenecks and we we look like
the guys from Saturday NightLive we're going to do a modern
dance routine here shortly.
So, after you Googled, I justcan't believe it.
I love that you did this.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
How old?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
were, you, were you 24?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
No, now I'm 38.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
So all these adventures, but when you Googled
, what were you?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
When I Googled, I was 30.
Yeah, that was eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, oh my God so basically, I'm not a rower, nor
athlete, nor sailor.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
You're a Googler, I'm a Googler.
That was the limit of yourskill set.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Just yeah, yeah because be aware what you Google
because it might take yousomewhere.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Be aware.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
My gosh.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
For some reason after you, when you and I spoke the
last time and we were talkingabout this in my head I had you
were like 24 when you did thisand started and I was like, wow,
he was young, he's been doingthis for years.
But the fact that you were 30and you took this on at 30, you
already had some life experienceunder your belt, you already
had some risk assessment aboutthings you could or could not do
(14:32):
in your life and yet you stillgoogled how to do this and went
yeah, I'm gonna do that at 30.
I'm gonna try.
Yeah, you know what actually?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
that's a good point that you're asking about this,
because, uh, there was so manyups obstacles in my mind that
was like in the way, um, beforeI went on this journey, at the
age of actually 28, when Istarted Board of Borders, there
was some other adventures, alsohuman-powered, like roller
(15:05):
skated across Europe, cycledfrom Latvia to Sochi Olympic
Games, then pulled my sled yeah,so wait, wait, you rollerbladed
across Europe.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Is that what, yeah, from you?
Just want to make sure we allheard you correctly, yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I might rollerblade oh I don't know down the street,
but not across an entirecountry or six.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Actually, I think it was nine.
Well, in Europe you know, thereare small countries, but still
it was 6,300 kilometers fromnorth to south of Europe and it
took me two months.
Yeah, it was an amazing journeyand that's how this borders
(15:52):
journey started.
But before I stepped into thisuh unknown there, there were
some obstacles.
There were some like uh, thingsthat I was afraid of, like how
I'm going to survive, like howI'm going to support myself
financially where I'm going tolive, and all these things.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Like everyone, has, Because you don't get paid to
roller skate across Europe.
Right, there's not a.
Nobody was hiring for that, nothat vacancy was already taken.
There's no insurance program?
There's no.
No absolutely so before we getfurther, ladies and gentlemen,
(16:38):
so you're listening to theFearless Road podcast.
It's Michael DeVue, your host,and Carlos Barteles, my special
guest, from Latvia, europe.
If we have sound issues oranything like that, we apologize
, but we are dealing withwhatever tech we're dealing with
and the networks and stuff.
I am currently dealing with asmall little heater in this
cabin in the woods here becauseI don't have heating.
(16:59):
So if you hear the heater, thenyou know I'm just trying to
keep warm.
And so let's get back to Carlostalking about roller skating
across Europe as one of hisfirst challenges.
That did not deter him, thatdid not sway him.
He continued to google bigger,bigger challenges.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Uh, carlos, take it away yes, because when you are
hooked on this, on this amazingjourney like of uh moving, uh
across europe, across continents, you, you cannot, you don't
want to lose this amazingfeeling of moving all the time,
(17:42):
uh, being in adventure, it wasjust what I loved.
It was just what I loved 100%.
And after first adventure, whenI came back, I was just curious
what would be the nextadventure.
And well, I already knew itthat I had some friends weird
(18:04):
friends, to say the least, Imean who wanted to, who wanted
to cycle to Sochi Olympic Gamesin the winter time.
So we face temperatures minus20 or minus 24 Celsius, so I
(18:25):
don't know what's that inFahrenheit, but it's like 20
degrees below the freezing.
So I was just hooked on thisadventure thing.
So I was just hooked on thisadventure thing.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And so when you got bit by the bug, as they say, you
were seriously bit by the bug.
Were you enjoying riding inthat cold?
I mean, how did you stay warmin those temperatures?
I would imagine, for those ofus who, if anyone out there, has
done any kind of like wintersports, downhill skiing, things
like that, if anyone out there,has done any kind of like winter
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sports, downhill skiing, thingslike that.
You know, when you wear the gear, you work up a temperature, you
work up a heat in your body andyou can sweat inside the
clothing.
How did you stay dry, how didyou stay warm without
overheating and how did youmaintain your temperature core
temperature and stuff whilebicycling and roller skating in
that freezing cold?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
so uh, so roller skating, uh.
Just to underline that, rollerskating I did in the summer, so
it was fine there were, yeah,there was, uh, uh five much
easier than on ice and snowabsolutely well, I would say
it's close to impossible, yeah,but I had five friends with me
(19:41):
and so, yeah, they just drovedown the camper van and we went
together on that journey, alltogether, and they were
preparing meals, they weremaking sure that we have a place
to stay.
So I was good on that.
And also on this second journey, uh, to Olympic games in Sochi.
(20:03):
Uh, in freezing cold, we had,uh, we had the friends who
joined us, who were finding thesafe place for us to stay for
the night.
So, regarding to dry our clothes, all was set, all was done, but
how we kept ourselves warm,well, we had some tricks.
(20:27):
Let's say, there is a specificlike a cream gel that you use to
warm up.
Let's say, if you have asoaring knee and then you need
just like a small tip of thiscream gel that you put on the
(20:49):
knee and in that, in the, inthat gel, there is uh, uh, red
peppers, so they they uh, was ituh capsaicin yeah?
yeah, that's the same we havethe same here in europe.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
So and you?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
know that you have to put just a small drop of that
gel.
So what we were doing, we usedthat gel like a sunscreen with
like thick layer of thatcapsicum we were using like a
sunscreen.
We put like a like uh, in thethick layer all over our bodies,
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and then we put our clothes onand we were sitting inside like
in a hotel or thecled about 100miles, like 170 kilometers a day
on average.
So yeah, a little bit more than100 miles.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Did you train up to that?
Did you train to get up to thatamount, or did you just start
and push yourself to see how faryou could go?
Or did you just start and pushyourself to see how far you
could go?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Well, it would be unfair if I would say that, oh,
I just jumped on the bicycle andwent minus 25 degrees Celsius
and 170 kilometers a day.
Well, I definitely did sometraining, but I wouldn't call
myself an athlete Nothing closeto that.
(22:32):
But I already had under my beltthat two months journey across
the Europe with the rollerskates, and basically all my
life I have been like, let's say, active.
When I was a kid, I playedbasketball in school and then I
learned how to ski and snowboardand then climbing, ice climbing
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, rock climbing.
So I've been active all my life, but never close to being any
like athlete level or anythinglike that.
So, but yeah, when you justswitch on this, it's a mindset
like you switch on, uh, the, themindset that, okay, I will do
(23:16):
this 170 kilometers, uh, I willjust resist the the this cold
weather, and yeah, so I I don'tknow whether I have some, uh,
let's say, formula to for that,but it's a choice.
Actually, it's a lot ofchoosing your attitude.
(23:38):
It sounds like it's a mindset.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I mean, you have to set your mind to it.
And you chose to put your mindto it and establish a mindset
that said I'm going to do this.
My body and I'm going to takeon this challenge, I'm going to
do it.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, michael, going to do this, my body and my I'm
going to, I'm going to take onthis challenge, I'm going to do
it.
Yeah, michael, you know I couldagree.
It's very similar to the tolike technique, what we?
That's technique, the way wedress in the winter here in
europe.
We just have one layer, then weon another layer, another layer
, so we have maybe three, fourlayers and it's fine, you know,
and if you don't have thoselayers, you will be freezing to
(24:16):
your death and what?
Yeah, so therefore, I would saythat definitely I was adding
some layers to my mindset, to mybrain, while I was going
through some challenges beforethat across Europe with the
roller skates climbing in Alpsin Norway, there was.
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There was an accident in Norwaywhere we, where I, fell down
from the freezing waterfall likeeight meters and and I broke my
, broke my leg and a lot ofthings.
A lot of things happened firsttime when I was as a climbing
student uh, in caucasus, in inrussia, between russia and
(25:03):
georgia.
Uh, first time when we werethere, we had to rescue our
instructor because he was struckby the lightning.
I mean not directly, but thelightning struck into the
mountain Like we were on theedge of the mountain.
I mean all these things.
(25:24):
They sound like, oh come on,this guy is just telling some
fairy tales, but really that's atrue story.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I mean it's loud and it's powerful that you guys,
even though you were near him,you would have been, you would
have felt the power of thatlightning and the and the, the,
the lightning clap as they say,that incredible sound, yeah uh,
we, we were in the group of like12 people and our instructor
was on the back of the pack, sowe, we already moved.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Uh, I was in the front of the group, so
afterwards we had to come backand rescue our instructor
because, yeah, he, he wasinjured, so we had to transport
him down to the to the snowlevel, and then there were some
guys who came to to carry him tothe closest hospital.
I mean, that's in caucasus,there, there isn't like, oh, in
(26:19):
five minutes you have thehelicopter, uh to to rescue you.
Yeah, it's uh no it's veryremote, right, yeah, that region
was quite remote and yeah.
So all these adventures, allthese expeditions, they added
some layer, they added someability of this resilience, they
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added some kind of layer andalso definitely this attitude
and mindset that was adding on,adding on.
And now I would say that, ohyeah, actually it's easy to row
an ocean, you can do that.
But yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I can say that that's not a statement I would ever
make.
Yeah, there's a lot of thingsI'll say, oh, it's easy, but
that would not be one of thethings that I would.
I mean, this is incredible, thethings that you took on, but I,
you know, from a very weird andgeeky standpoint actually
developing some of the brainimaging, science and algorithms
(27:28):
and technology in order to dothat.
But I would be curious if yourmind if your brain, if we were
able to take an image, like aCAT scan or brain imaging of it,
to see what kind ofneuroplasticity that you've
developed as a result of puttingyourself through some of these
(27:50):
challenges, and then mentallyadjusting your expectation for
performance or expectation fordelivery, your expectation of
what's coming in front of you,right, what challenges are ahead
, and adjusting your thinking insuch a way that tells you, oh,
I can take this on and I canmanage this.
(28:11):
From a mental standpoint, right,from a mental strength
standpoint.
This is something that all ofus I think you know when we're
in sports learn how to do.
Just to a certain degree, welearn how to challenge our
bodies and face physicalchallenges, but it's also your
mind convincing you that you canpush yourself further than you
(28:32):
think you can go.
And I wonder about when we getinto the comfort of life and the
corporate world and working inan office environment and
comfortably sitting in ourchairs for eight hours a day, we
lose some of this particularskill set where we're able to
envision ourselves achievingsomething greater and bigger
(28:53):
beyond our own personal limitsand then taking that on right.
There's not a lot in theworkplace and corporate world
and the work environment thatallows the opportunity for us to
begin to take that mental stateand challenge ourselves, and I
think what you're doing in termsof, like you said, putting
layers on, is such a fascinatingconcept and such a fascinating
(29:16):
endeavor.
It would be amazing to applythat, I think, to strategies in
business.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, you know, michael, I think, as you said,
when we are kind of uh,surrounded by this, by this
delicate worm of the office orof our safe life or something
like that, but then, um, at, atthe same time, I would say, like
(29:42):
15 years ago, I, I was that guy, like I was, I was in the
office working like towards mynext uh, and et cetera, et
cetera.
But you know, there should besomething that you're interested
in, there should be some sparkin your eyes, because back then
(30:03):
I could remember that, I canremember that I was interested
in books about journeys, aboutclimbing, and that was my
inspiration.
So, I surrounded myself withinspiration.
That could be in form of books,that could be in form of movies
(30:25):
, that could be in form ofpodcasts.
Now, many types ofinspirational sources you could
choose, and there is somethingin each one of us that resonates
with something outside that wehaven't yet tipped our toes in.
(30:46):
But we kind of are curious,like would I be able to?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
do that actually.
Yeah, well, I think you'retalking about human stories.
I think the stories are whatconnects us.
I think the stories are whatinspires us.
I think the stories of otherhumans achieving things that we
dream about doing for ourselves.
Right, that's how we getinspired by the stories of other
humans.
And today, ladies and gentlemen,carlos Barteles is sharing his
(31:13):
story with us, and it'sincredible If you're just
joining us, carlos Barteles,from Latvia, circumnavigating
the globe by human power, rowingor bicycling or roller skating,
or rollerblading as the casemay be has taken on incredible
feats of strength and mentalacuity in order to achieve
(31:35):
things that most of us wouldnever even think of trying or
attempting.
So Carlos is here here and it'sincredible.
This is an amazing journey forme just to be witnessing and
participating.
I really thank you for sharingyour time with us today and
taking us on this journey.
So, board of Borders is yourtitle, it's your moniker, it's
(32:01):
your tagline, if you will, andobviously I had said before that
your last name, bartolis,sounded like borderless.
And borders seem to be.
Yeah, so borders are the thingthat you tackle.
You have no borders in yourmind.
You cross borders around theworld.
What do borders mean to you,philosophically speaking?
(32:23):
What do borders mean to you?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And, ladies and gentlemen, that concludes part
one of our interview with CarlosBartolus, where we last asked
him about borders and what doborders mean to him.
If you want to know more, checkout part two and then, of
course, part three.
This is a good one.
All right, see you at the nextepisode.
Thank you.
Hey there, everybody, and welcome to the Fearless.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Road podcast, where we explore entrepreneurial
insights, stories and advice onembracing fear, breaking
boundaries and achieving goalson the road to success.
I'm your host, michael DeVue,and after years of overcoming
obstacles and tragedy, I beganto wonder how does someone
become fearless?
Well, that's exactly what we'regoing to find out.
(00:27):
In every episode.
We dive into the lives ofindividuals who've learned to
turn fear into fuel, face someincredible challenges and
cultivate a fearless mindsetwhile navigating their fearless
road.
So join me for in-depthinterviews with some amazing
people where we investigate moredeeply the valleys on their
road to success because thevalleys are where character is
(00:48):
built, foundations are laid andwhere the fearless are born.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Welcome to the Fearless Road Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hey everybody and welcome back to the Fearless
Road Podcast.
Season two gets off this monthand gets off its ass is what I
mean.
We've been on a huge break.
I wanted to call it a hiatus,but then I thought hiatus from
my understanding, I thought itwas a shorter term and so, like
(01:19):
we went into the fall, we wentinto December for the holidays
and I had actually planned onreleasing season two and coming
out with season two in January,and then I decided I needed to
push it back a little bit andreconsider the the, the format
of our shows, how we were doingthem.
They're really long episodes, bythe way, um, which I enjoy
because they're very in-depthconversations and stuff, but I
(01:39):
wanted to look at a way to editthem down and put them into more
bite-sized pieces and I justcouldn't quite get there.
I really enjoyed, or enjoy, thelong, lengthy, in-depth
conversations.
I think there's an audience forthat.
I know it might be smaller andit doesn't appeal to the quick
bite.
You know quick fix people outthere.
So what I did was I decidedinstead keep the long version
(02:04):
but also add a new show, by theway, surprise, called Fearless
Thinking, and that is going tobe like 10 to 12 minute
bite-sized pieces, little chunks, little pieces, easily
digestible format.
Then the long, slightly windedversion of the Fearless Road
podcast, which is usually aboutan hour and 15 to an hour and a
half of really in-depthconversations.
(02:27):
And that plan was derailed byan entire month of getting sick
in February.
Weirdly enough it wasn't COVID,but whatever it was, it was a
doozy and I was out for anentire month.
And then I had to push back alot of other businesses, things
in the pipeline, projects thatwere lined up, clients and
(02:49):
things all had to get pushedback in order to make space for
the fact that I was out for anentire month.
And here we are Now.
It is coming up on April 1st.
I'm getting ready to releasethis bad boy for episode one
into season two of the FearlessRoad podcast.
And you know what I'm soexcited?
(03:11):
Because episode one I've beensitting on this episode for a
long time.
It's with Carlos Bartolis.
He is from Europe.
He's from, I believe, if I'mnot mistaken, the Netherlands,
latvia.
Anyway, I may have that wrong,but anyway he is this incredibly
ambitious, incredibly brave andfearless world traveler who is
(03:33):
also an entrepreneur andmotivational speaker.
One of the things.
One of the things that he does.
I love it.
One of the things he literallyrow boats like rows in a boat
around the world.
He has rowed, by himself in aboat, across the Atlantic,
across the Pacific, across theIndian Ocean.
I mean, my God, when you thinkabout the feats of bravery and
(03:56):
adventure that this man has totake on, or does take on, when
he's out there in the middle ofthe ocean alone by himself, and
it's just him and his mind andhis wits about him having to
problem solve.
It's fascinating when you hearhim talk about what you have to
reduce everything down to inorder to get to the solution,
and sometimes what's magicalabout that is your mind will
(04:17):
really come up with ways to saveyour ass in some of these
situations, because that's kindof what it comes down to, right
Most of us, when we're in theentrepreneurial journey.
The risks we take aren't goingto cost us our lives, and I love
that this puts these thingsinto perspective for us, because
what we do, while it mightchange lives and impact some
lives, it's never going to killanybody, least of all us,
(04:40):
especially if we fail right.
Our failures are nothingcompared to one failure in the
middle of the ocean in a smallrowboat, and what that could
cost you, you know, and whatthis show costs you Nothing but
your time and your attention,which I appreciate, and I want
to tell you that I do.
I really appreciate your timeand attention.
That's very valuable to me.
I'm very aware of the fact thatmost of us are getting used and
(05:04):
abused by the social media powergiants out there that just want
more of our eyeballs, ourprecious and valuable time,
attention and our talents, andthey're sucking they're sucking
the passion out of us and theydon't deserve it.
You deserve a better place.
You deserve a betteropportunity.
I'm actually building thatplace.
It's a community called theAscend Hub coming this summer,
(05:26):
and it's for entrepreneurs,aspiring entrepreneurs, leaders,
executives and mentors, anybodyon that road, on that path that
is trying to come together notonly to collaborate and share
their wisdom and their strengthswith one another, but share in
the collaborative educationaljourney of both resources
education courses, coaching,mentorship, workshops, live
(05:48):
webinars, you name it.
We're going to have it in thereand it's going to be all in one
place, kind of like ragu.
You know it's in there, so moreon that will come later.
Get a chance.
Make sure you like andsubscribe Not only this series
with the Fearless Road podcast,but also the new one, fearless
Thinking, with yours truly, myshort and more bite-sized,
(06:09):
digestible, easily digestibleseries called Fearless Thinking,
launching on April 1st on allyour favorite platforms.
So, without further ado which Isay all the time and I still
don't know what it means let'sget straight to season two,
episode one with carlos bartalusstay fearless, okay, you ready
(06:33):
yeah, good to go um, awesome,okay, um.
Ladies and gentlemen, a welcometo the fearless road podcast
episode.
I don't even know which episodethis is going to be, because I
haven't decided when I'm goingto showcase this episode,
although I will tell you thattoday I'm exceedingly excited
(06:54):
about my guest on the programfor a number of reasons, least
of which is the six GuinnessWorld Records and the fact that
this individual has navigated,circumnavigated the entire globe
by boat, rowing by himself onthe oceans.
Some of the things that you runinto with fear in this world, as
(07:18):
an entrepreneur, a businessperson or what have you, that
make you reticent, that causeyou to rethink your strategies
and your patterns, that make youwonder whether or not you're
going to be successful, areprobably nothing compared to the
fear that you would face in themiddle of the ocean alone.
And if it's not a testament toa person's strength and
(07:39):
fortitude and constitution, itis a testament to the human
endeavor and what we canaccomplish when we put our minds
to it and when we really makemagic happen.
And today my guest is CarlosBartalus, a world-renowned
personal rower Olympic Iwouldn't say Olympic because you
haven't competed in theOlympics yet, but you did go to
(08:01):
the Olympics and we will getinto that in a little bit.
But Carlos Bartles is with us,he's not in a boat, he is in
studio, absolutely.
He is going to be sharing withus.
Yes, he's going to be sharingwith us some incredible stories
and sharing with us his fearlessjourney.
So, everybody, please welcometo the Fearless Road Podcast,
carlos Bartolos.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Hello, welcome on board Michael and everyone who
is listening.
This is Captain Carlos,speaking here from a very couch,
first from today, but it's beenit's been some time in the
ocean and it's been some timeacross three, three oceans.
(08:46):
I unfortunately I have tocorrect you a little bit because
I still I'm a circumnavigatorin the process.
I still have to cross Africa onmy bicycle, but well, it's only
5,000 kilometers.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I guess I'm going to have to bring you back on the
show once you're finished sothat we can talk about when
you're done and I can make theofficial announcement about it.
When you're done and I can makethe official announcement about
it, I'm glad to be here, thanks.
Well, thank you.
Thank you for joining us.
I love how we connected via theSpeaker Lab.
(09:27):
I love that you're bringingyour message to the world and
taking it beyond the ocean andbeyond your own personal
experience in the waters and howdealing with and facing your
own personal fears andshortcomings, your own limits,
and pushing those to the extremecan help a person think outside
the box, approach problemsolving from a different
(09:49):
perspective and address theirown personal challenges and
hurdles a little bit differently.
And I think that's anincredible message to be sharing
with the world.
Before we get into, sort oflike, all of those different
things, share with us a littlebit of your background, if you
will, for the audience whodoesn't know you and doesn't
know your experience, how yougot to where you are.
(10:10):
As you say, connect the dotsfor us on your professional and
your personal journey and howyou took this on.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, all right, let's start.
Let's start in just all.
This Board of Borders storystarted 10 years ago and that's
been an incredible journey.
Well, under the name of Boardof Borders, I do many type of
(10:42):
human endeavors I would sayadventures but before that, I
was working as an environmentalengineer in a company, in a
recycling company, which isactually my education and my
background bachelor in economicsand master degree in
(11:03):
environmental management.
So, yeah, that was what I wasdoing before and before all
these big adventures.
And you know, I had a hobby Iloved to climb mountains on my
vacations, and one week or onemaximum one month in a year, I
(11:29):
could get a vacation.
And after some of thoseholidays, I was thinking that
how I could prolong this timethat I'm spending in adventure,
because that's where Europemyself I'm from, north Eastern
Europe, from Latvia.
(12:01):
It's a quite small country, butwe have some climbers even here
and some rowers and some peoplewho dare to go on the big
journeys and adventures.
So that's my background.
I was actually a guy from theoffice, basically, and in 2015,
(12:22):
I just Googled how to row anocean.
So that's how you start.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
That's how you start basically, that's how you start,
ladies and gentlemen, thatrabbit hole that most of us go
down when we Google.
Carlos took that seriously.
He took that rabbit hole.
Just so you're aware, those ofyou who can't see us, you're
just listening to the podcast.
Carlos is wearing a blackturtleneck and I am wearing a
(12:51):
black turtleneck.
We did not plan this.
It happens to be cold here,where I met in the mountains of
new mexico.
It's also freezing cold wherecarlos is in latvia, which you
said, I think it's one degreecelsius there's one degree
celsius now outside.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
So yeah, so pretty.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, we're both in turtlenecks and we we look like
the guys from Saturday NightLive we're going to do a modern
dance routine here shortly.
So, after you Googled, I justcan't believe it.
I love that you did this.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
How old?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
were, you, were you 24?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
No, now I'm 38.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
So all these adventures, but when you Googled
, what were you?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
When I Googled, I was 30.
Yeah, that was eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, oh my God so basically, I'm not a rower, nor
athlete, nor sailor.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
You're a Googler, I'm a Googler.
That was the limit of yourskill set.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Just yeah, yeah because be aware what you Google
because it might take yousomewhere.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Be aware.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
My gosh.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
For some reason after you, when you and I spoke the
last time and we were talkingabout this in my head I had you
were like 24 when you did thisand started and I was like, wow,
he was young, he's been doingthis for years.
But the fact that you were 30and you took this on at 30, you
already had some life experienceunder your belt, you already
had some risk assessment aboutthings you could or could not do
(14:32):
in your life and yet you stillgoogled how to do this and went
yeah, I'm gonna do that at 30.
I'm gonna try.
Yeah, you know what actually?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
that's a good point that you're asking about this,
because, uh, there was so manyups obstacles in my mind that
was like in the way, um, beforeI went on this journey, at the
age of actually 28, when Istarted Board of Borders, there
was some other adventures, alsohuman-powered, like roller
(15:05):
skated across Europe, cycledfrom Latvia to Sochi Olympic
Games, then pulled my sled yeah,so wait, wait, you rollerbladed
across Europe.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Is that what, yeah, from you?
Just want to make sure we allheard you correctly, yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I might rollerblade oh I don't know down the street,
but not across an entirecountry or six.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Actually, I think it was nine.
Well, in Europe you know, thereare small countries, but still
it was 6,300 kilometers fromnorth to south of Europe and it
took me two months.
Yeah, it was an amazing journeyand that's how this borders
(15:52):
journey started.
But before I stepped into thisuh unknown there, there were
some obstacles.
There were some like uh, thingsthat I was afraid of, like how
I'm going to survive, like howI'm going to support myself
financially where I'm going tolive, and all these things.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Like everyone, has, Because you don't get paid to
roller skate across Europe.
Right, there's not a.
Nobody was hiring for that, nothat vacancy was already taken.
There's no insurance program?
There's no.
No absolutely so before we getfurther, ladies and gentlemen,
(16:38):
so you're listening to theFearless Road podcast.
It's Michael DeVue, your host,and Carlos Barteles, my special
guest, from Latvia, europe.
If we have sound issues oranything like that, we apologize
, but we are dealing withwhatever tech we're dealing with
and the networks and stuff.
I am currently dealing with asmall little heater in this
cabin in the woods here becauseI don't have heating.
(16:59):
So if you hear the heater, thenyou know I'm just trying to
keep warm.
And so let's get back to Carlostalking about roller skating
across Europe as one of hisfirst challenges.
That did not deter him, thatdid not sway him.
He continued to google bigger,bigger challenges.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Uh, carlos, take it away yes, because when you are
hooked on this, on this amazingjourney like of uh moving, uh
across europe, across continents, you, you cannot, you don't
want to lose this amazingfeeling of moving all the time,
(17:42):
uh, being in adventure, it wasjust what I loved.
It was just what I loved 100%.
And after first adventure, whenI came back, I was just curious
what would be the nextadventure.
And well, I already knew itthat I had some friends weird
(18:04):
friends, to say the least, Imean who wanted to, who wanted
to cycle to Sochi Olympic Gamesin the winter time.
So we face temperatures minus20 or minus 24 Celsius, so I
(18:25):
don't know what's that inFahrenheit, but it's like 20
degrees below the freezing.
So I was just hooked on thisadventure thing.
So I was just hooked on thisadventure thing.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And so when you got bit by the bug, as they say, you
were seriously bit by the bug.
Were you enjoying riding inthat cold?
I mean, how did you stay warmin those temperatures?
I would imagine, for those ofus who, if anyone out there, has
done any kind of like wintersports, downhill skiing, things
like that, if anyone out there,has done any kind of like winter
(18:57):
sports, downhill skiing, thingslike that.
You know, when you wear the gear, you work up a temperature, you
work up a heat in your body andyou can sweat inside the
clothing.
How did you stay dry, how didyou stay warm without
overheating and how did youmaintain your temperature core
temperature and stuff whilebicycling and roller skating in
that freezing cold?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
so uh, so roller skating, uh.
Just to underline that, rollerskating I did in the summer, so
it was fine there were, yeah,there was, uh, uh five much
easier than on ice and snowabsolutely well, I would say
it's close to impossible, yeah,but I had five friends with me
(19:41):
and so, yeah, they just drovedown the camper van and we went
together on that journey, alltogether, and they were
preparing meals, they weremaking sure that we have a place
to stay.
So I was good on that.
And also on this second journey, uh, to Olympic games in Sochi.
(20:03):
Uh, in freezing cold, we had,uh, we had the friends who
joined us, who were finding thesafe place for us to stay for
the night.
So, regarding to dry our clothes, all was set, all was done, but
how we kept ourselves warm,well, we had some tricks.
(20:27):
Let's say, there is a specificlike a cream gel that you use to
warm up.
Let's say, if you have asoaring knee and then you need
just like a small tip of thiscream gel that you put on the
(20:49):
knee and in that, in the, inthat gel, there is uh, uh, red
peppers, so they they uh, was ituh capsaicin yeah?
yeah, that's the same we havethe same here in europe.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
So and you?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
know that you have to put just a small drop of that
gel.
So what we were doing, we usedthat gel like a sunscreen with
like thick layer of thatcapsicum we were using like a
sunscreen.
We put like a like uh, in thethick layer all over our bodies,
(21:48):
and then we put our clothes onand we were sitting inside like
in a hotel or thecled about 100miles, like 170 kilometers a day
on average.
So yeah, a little bit more than100 miles.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Did you train up to that?
Did you train to get up to thatamount, or did you just start
and push yourself to see how faryou could go?
Or did you just start and pushyourself to see how far you
could go?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Well, it would be unfair if I would say that, oh,
I just jumped on the bicycle andwent minus 25 degrees Celsius
and 170 kilometers a day.
Well, I definitely did sometraining, but I wouldn't call
myself an athlete Nothing closeto that.
(22:32):
But I already had under my beltthat two months journey across
the Europe with the rollerskates, and basically all my
life I have been like, let's say, active.
When I was a kid, I playedbasketball in school and then I
learned how to ski and snowboardand then climbing, ice climbing
(22:55):
, rock climbing.
So I've been active all my life, but never close to being any
like athlete level or anythinglike that.
So, but yeah, when you justswitch on this, it's a mindset
like you switch on, uh, the, themindset that, okay, I will do
(23:16):
this 170 kilometers, uh, I willjust resist the the this cold
weather, and yeah, so I I don'tknow whether I have some, uh,
let's say, formula to for that,but it's a choice.
Actually, it's a lot ofchoosing your attitude.
(23:38):
It sounds like it's a mindset.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I mean, you have to set your mind to it.
And you chose to put your mindto it and establish a mindset
that said I'm going to do this.
My body and I'm going to takeon this challenge, I'm going to
do it.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, michael, going to do this, my body and my I'm
going to, I'm going to take onthis challenge, I'm going to do
it.
Yeah, michael, you know I couldagree.
It's very similar to the tolike technique, what we?
That's technique, the way wedress in the winter here in
europe.
We just have one layer, then weon another layer, another layer
, so we have maybe three, fourlayers and it's fine, you know,
and if you don't have thoselayers, you will be freezing to
(24:16):
your death and what?
Yeah, so therefore, I would saythat definitely I was adding
some layers to my mindset, to mybrain, while I was going
through some challenges beforethat across Europe with the
roller skates climbing in Alpsin Norway, there was.
(24:40):
There was an accident in Norwaywhere we, where I, fell down
from the freezing waterfall likeeight meters and and I broke my
, broke my leg and a lot ofthings.
A lot of things happened firsttime when I was as a climbing
student uh, in caucasus, in inrussia, between russia and
(25:03):
georgia.
Uh, first time when we werethere, we had to rescue our
instructor because he was struckby the lightning.
I mean not directly, but thelightning struck into the
mountain Like we were on theedge of the mountain.
I mean all these things.
(25:24):
They sound like, oh come on,this guy is just telling some
fairy tales, but really that's atrue story.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I mean it's loud and it's powerful that you guys,
even though you were near him,you would have been, you would
have felt the power of thatlightning and the and the, the,
the lightning clap as they say,that incredible sound, yeah uh,
we, we were in the group of like12 people and our instructor
was on the back of the pack, sowe, we already moved.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Uh, I was in the front of the group, so
afterwards we had to come backand rescue our instructor
because, yeah, he, he wasinjured, so we had to transport
him down to the to the snowlevel, and then there were some
guys who came to to carry him tothe closest hospital.
I mean, that's in caucasus,there, there isn't like, oh, in
(26:19):
five minutes you have thehelicopter, uh to to rescue you.
Yeah, it's uh no it's veryremote, right, yeah, that region
was quite remote and yeah.
So all these adventures, allthese expeditions, they added
some layer, they added someability of this resilience, they
(26:44):
added some kind of layer andalso definitely this attitude
and mindset that was adding on,adding on.
And now I would say that, ohyeah, actually it's easy to row
an ocean, you can do that.
But yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I can say that that's not a statement I would ever
make.
Yeah, there's a lot of thingsI'll say, oh, it's easy, but
that would not be one of thethings that I would.
I mean, this is incredible, thethings that you took on, but I,
you know, from a very weird andgeeky standpoint actually
developing some of the brainimaging, science and algorithms
(27:28):
and technology in order to dothat.
But I would be curious if yourmind if your brain, if we were
able to take an image, like aCAT scan or brain imaging of it,
to see what kind ofneuroplasticity that you've
developed as a result of puttingyourself through some of these
(27:50):
challenges, and then mentallyadjusting your expectation for
performance or expectation fordelivery, your expectation of
what's coming in front of you,right, what challenges are ahead
, and adjusting your thinking insuch a way that tells you, oh,
I can take this on and I canmanage this.
(28:11):
From a mental standpoint, right,from a mental strength
standpoint.
This is something that all ofus I think you know when we're
in sports learn how to do.
Just to a certain degree, welearn how to challenge our
bodies and face physicalchallenges, but it's also your
mind convincing you that you canpush yourself further than you
(28:32):
think you can go.
And I wonder about when we getinto the comfort of life and the
corporate world and working inan office environment and
comfortably sitting in ourchairs for eight hours a day, we
lose some of this particularskill set where we're able to
envision ourselves achievingsomething greater and bigger
(28:53):
beyond our own personal limitsand then taking that on right.
There's not a lot in theworkplace and corporate world
and the work environment thatallows the opportunity for us to
begin to take that mental stateand challenge ourselves, and I
think what you're doing in termsof, like you said, putting
layers on, is such a fascinatingconcept and such a fascinating
(29:16):
endeavor.
It would be amazing to applythat, I think, to strategies in
business.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, you know, michael, I think, as you said,
when we are kind of uh,surrounded by this, by this
delicate worm of the office orof our safe life or something
like that, but then, um, at, atthe same time, I would say, like
(29:42):
15 years ago, I, I was that guy, like I was, I was in the
office working like towards mynext uh, and et cetera, et
cetera.
But you know, there should besomething that you're interested
in, there should be some sparkin your eyes, because back then
(30:03):
I could remember that, I canremember that I was interested
in books about journeys, aboutclimbing, and that was my
inspiration.
So, I surrounded myself withinspiration.
That could be in form of books,that could be in form of movies
(30:25):
, that could be in form ofpodcasts.
Now, many types ofinspirational sources you could
choose, and there is somethingin each one of us that resonates
with something outside that wehaven't yet tipped our toes in.
(30:46):
But we kind of are curious,like would I be able to?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
do that actually.
Yeah, well, I think you'retalking about human stories.
I think the stories are whatconnects us.
I think the stories are whatinspires us.
I think the stories of otherhumans achieving things that we
dream about doing for ourselves.
Right, that's how we getinspired by the stories of other
humans.
And today, ladies and gentlemen,carlos Barteles is sharing his
(31:13):
story with us, and it'sincredible If you're just
joining us, carlos Barteles,from Latvia, circumnavigating
the globe by human power, rowingor bicycling or roller skating,
or rollerblading as the casemay be has taken on incredible
feats of strength and mentalacuity in order to achieve
(31:35):
things that most of us wouldnever even think of trying or
attempting.
So Carlos is here here and it'sincredible.
This is an amazing journey forme just to be witnessing and
participating.
I really thank you for sharingyour time with us today and
taking us on this journey.
So, board of Borders is yourtitle, it's your moniker, it's
(32:01):
your tagline, if you will, andobviously I had said before that
your last name, bartolis,sounded like borderless.
And borders seem to be.
Yeah, so borders are the thingthat you tackle.
You have no borders in yourmind.
You cross borders around theworld.
What do borders mean to you,philosophically speaking?
(32:23):
What do borders mean to you?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And, ladies and gentlemen, that concludes part
one of our interview with CarlosBartolus, where we last asked
him about borders and what doborders mean to him.
If you want to know more, checkout part two and then, of
course, part three.
This is a good one.
All right, see you at the nextepisode.
Thank you.
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