Authenticity, Boundaries & the Power of Saying No with Andrea Pass

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Hello and welcome to this episode on the Field Podcast.
I'm your host, Melissa Crook. Today we have authenticity,
boundaries and the power of saying no with Andrea Pass.
Today's ways to engage with thisepisode are create a schedule of
when you're available and when you're not, and set boundaries

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for this. What can wait until tomorrow?
What needs to be done today? Which items on your list are a
priority? Or are they just things that are
taking up space that you don't necessarily need to tend to
right now? When it comes to work,
boundaries and time management go hand in hand, and this can

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change everything for you. Saying no is OK.
Thanks so much. We hope this gives you some ways
to engage and think about today's really, really great
episode. So many insightful, wise
resources from our friend AndreaPass Thanks so much for being
with us. Hello, welcome back to the Field

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podcast. This week I am with a friend
that I met back in 2024 and we got together and had a great
conversation. She'd reached out to me about
the podcast and possibly being guests, but she also has great
resources that are very helpful to women, to businesses, to
people starting out. But I just got to know her and I

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was like, I hope I can use you sometime.
But also I would love to have you on the podcast as a guest.
You will. You have so much to offer as a
woman, as a person, that I wouldlove to share your voice and let
your our listeners get to know you.
So I've got Andrea Pass here with me today and she is joining

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me from the East Coast. I'm in California and she
describes herself as honest, authentic, hard working,
commutative, friendly, responsible, thorough, caring
and strategic. And I love it when people know
themselves so well where they can really describe themselves

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by those character traits that represent who they are.
And because so many times we want to describe ourselves by
what we do. And I that's why I like starting
this. So I love it when someone is
like, I know these because sometimes it's not an easy thing
to come up with because we're not conditioned to think about
ourselves in that way. We're conditioned to think about

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ourselves in terms of our roles and responsibilities.
But Andrea had no problem with this.
Andrea, welcome to the Field podcast.
Thank you, Melissa. I really appreciate you having
me. I'm happy to have you, let's get
right into it. Talk to me about prioritizing
self-care in your life and what your journey has been like in

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that context. Because that's not something
that as little girls were told about necessarily right away.
So at some point we got to figure out, oh, wait a minute, I
got to take care of me if I'm going to be the best, best
version of me for everybody elseand myself.
You know, exactly, you know, as a female entrepreneur, and we

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shouldn't have to say female entrepreneur, but in today's
busy world we do. And you know, as a woman who is
running a business and juggling family needs and juggling
organization life and juggling things in the home and juggling,

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I mean, we are jugglers. And I always say ask a busy
woman because as a busy woman wecould throw another ball in
there. We just have the ability to do
that. But sometimes when we are
juggling, we forget about ourselves and we we always want
to say yes. And it's very hard to say no.

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And whether it comes to businessor personal, that's the longest
sentence in the English languageis no.
And I think as the owner of Andrea passed public relations,
I've actually said no to certainbusiness.
I realized it wasn't the right fit for me, but it took a long
time. I was so busy saying yes to

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everybody that to finally say nowas just a whole different
experience. And then setting those
boundaries in business so that Ido have time for the personal.
Yeah. Well, I think that that figuring
it out in business, how much youwant and how many hours a day

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you're going to work and are yougoing to be working at night and
are you going to be working on the weekends?
And how much can your clients have access to you?
And when do you say to your clients, I'm going on vacation,
you know, I will check emails, but I will be off the grid
basically from this day to this day.
So I think that there's so much to talk about here, but

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recognizing that we are female business owners, women business
owners, we got more on our plate.
Yeah, absolutely. And.
You I think when you don't say no to something, you're just
saying yes. It's hard for you to delineate
and slow down long enough to determine whose values that I'm

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working with really align with my values.
Is this actually a good fit? And it can be hard because
sometimes fear can feel that I got to say yes to everything.
I can't say no to any opportunity.
But you sit on that important thing, if the match is so
important, because you're only going to be able to do your best
work with and for someone who you feel aligned with in some

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kind of a way. And so being able to trust
yourself enough, like, no, I'm going to trust myself on this
one because I think trusting yourself is a component of
self-care and caring for yourself.
And you know, I've really believed that and you're able to
do that. How long do you think it took
you to get there? You talked about, you used to
say yes and then do you say how,how much time and experience do

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you think it took you before yougot to that moment?
Well, I think I can go back and I was working for a bully boss a
number of years ago. I was the vice president of
media relations at a public relations firm.
I was bringing in major clients.I was managing the clients,
managing the staff, The most senior person on the staff

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reporting to the owner of the company.
And he believed me. He bullied everybody.
He was just a bully, bully, bully, bully, boss.
And I used to joke that I would be so skinny if I lost weight
crying because I was crying all the time.
But I think it took that experience.

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For. Me to recognize myself worth and
for me to then say I've got to learn to say no and to make that
time for myself. And when I finally got the
strength to say I'm leaving thisenvironment and and left and he

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bullied me until my last minute.And and even after I left, he
bullied me. But to recognize that that's
when I got stronger. That's when I realized that I
put up with all of this. Yes.
Did I have a great salary? Yeah.
But were things being taken awayfrom me as a person whether it

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was missing an occasion. I was in wedding in the hallway
on the phone, I was on a vacation overseas outside the
restaurant on the phone. I was getting yelled at in a
Caribbean island because I didn't respond to emails when I
was off snorkeling. I don't know about you, but I
don't know if you know a way to get emails underwater while

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you're snorkeling that you couldrespond to.
You could actually see when the goggles on.
But, but I think that led me to the path of entrepreneurship.
I went to another PR firm, worked for a very lovely person.
We just had, you know, differentviews.
But things things changed. And then when I expanded and
went out on my own, I was able to learn what I need and what I

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can say. It took a while.
It wasn't the minute I started entry or past public relations.
It was probably 2 plus years into the business.
OK. That I would say I'm not
clicking with that person. That's not going to be a good
fit for me and it's a lot because we want the business, we

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want to grow, you know, we want it a nice income, but at the end
of the day to actually sleep a few hours at night is a good
thing. It is.
It's important for our health. And that goes nicely into, you
mentioned boundaries already, but confidently setting
boundaries, determining, OK, I go to sleep, I need to eat, the

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salary's nice, but what does it mean if I have no time to spend
it? I mean, getting phone calls when
you're on vacation, when you're at weddings, in weddings.
You. Know that's supposed to be your
time to refill your cup. But I think boundaries and this
goes and we'll talk about expectations later too, are
tricky because you have to communicate them.

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You can't, you know, you talked about the bully bus.
There are some people that just operate that way.
And unless you put your foot down or and really advocate for
yourself or just remove yourselffrom that environment, they're
not going to treat you with the value.
And you talked about you've realized yourself worth.
You realized your value. That is such a big part of us

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feeling OK advocating for ourselves is realizing, wait a
minute, I deserve to be valued and treated in a way that is
respectful and honoring to me and my time and my health and
what I bring to the table. And not and but but
communicating that and having a voice in the room to speak up

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and say that unapologetically. And if they don't like it, that
might not be a good fit. That might not be a place that
values your health and well-being, which can be a scary
thing. But also, you know, thinking
long term, it's really what it comes down to.
Would you say that's kind of where it sounds like that's
where you got to with where you were?

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And then now it looks, you know,a couple of years in you
realized, wait a minute, now that I and it's tricky when you
own your own business and you'vegot your own space, because many
times it's something you're passionate about and you love
giving your time to. And so sometimes you don't set
boundaries as clearly because, oh, I love this thing and I'm
building this thing that's great.

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And then all of a sudden you hita wall.
I'm like, oh, I even need to settime away from this, even though
it's my own thing so I can be fresh.
So talk about that. What's interesting is especially
when you work for yourself and if you work in a Home Office,
which I work in a Home Office, at the beginning, I wasn't

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getting around to having lunch until 3:00 in the afternoon.
Well, I don't know about you, but I get very cranky when I
don't eat and, and I'd be havingthese meetings, but my stomach
is rumbling and my head's hurting and I haven't eaten.
So I will block out on my calendar this time for lunch

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today, this time, you know, because I know I need to have
lunch. I also learned to live by my
calendar, meaning you can schedule a meeting with me on my
calendar, but you can't schedulea meeting on a Friday and you
can't schedule a meeting after 5:00.
And then when I have other meetings or in person events I'm

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going to or even going out to lunch once a week with my
parents, that's on my calendar. So you can't schedule time with
me during those times. And when someone says can we
have a call at 7:00 in the morning, I say no, I'm not doing
a call at 7:00 in the morning. And it is a choice that I am

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making and my calendar system, we'll show you my availability.
And if I choose to have a business meeting on Fridays,
which I just booked a meeting for two weeks from now on a
Friday, that's my choice. And therefore I'm making the
decision to know because I like to save my Fridays to really

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just do a deep dive into work. I might run an errand here and
there, but it's really, I don't want to be disturbed with phone
calls and and Zoom calls on a Friday.
So I'll do that. But if I schedule it myself,
then that's a choice I'm making.And I think all of us have to
set those boundaries and I'm able to set the boundary.

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And that's what's important is saying I'm going to go to this
event or no, I'm going to skip it.
Yeah, yeah, I love that too. That OK, It's OK to say no.
The world as we know is not going to implode on us if we
don't show up for an event. But I love the calendar piece
because we put in our thing, ourcalendar, the things again, that

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we value and we protect our timein there.
It keeps us accountable. It protects us from ourselves.
Because I know what you mean about the not eating.
You'll be going through your day.
You're thinking, oh, I'm at home, I'll get to it.
And it's your, your stomach's swirling, your head's hurting.
You can't think clearly. You're not showing up the way.

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And you're like, oh, I, I do have to do this.
I have to be even in some ways more intentional now that I'm
working for myself because there's nobody asking me.
Hey, have you taken your lunch break yet?
Hey, did you get, get that walk around the block with, you know,
Susie and Fred at lunchtime? I mean, there's nobody there
doing that. And one of the things I, the

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first time I ever worked at homewas during COVID, like many
people. And I had to go outside at
lunchtime, walk around the blockto just tell myself that I was
removing myself from that space and getting a break.
And then I literally would get in my car and drive it around
the block at 5:00 and then come back into my house as my house.

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And so I left it as my workplaceand I re entered it as my house
because it just kind of and to really kind of trick my brain
into seeing the difference and like, OK, I'm off now, I'm down
now, you know. And that's a good point because
I know that in my office next tomy office is a restroom, and I

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was using the restroom right next to my office.
And then after a few months, I said I need to get up and use
the restroom all the way upstairs just to move and get
away from from the desk. And, and I've also found that
when I want my day to end or I'mdeciding, OK, my day is ending

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at 5:30 or 6 or 630, whatever time I'm choosing my day to end,
I log off my computer. And therefore there isn't this
tendency to look on my phone andsay, oh, here's this e-mail I
better go on to because I don't like to answer things on my
phone if I don't have to. I like the look of an e-mail

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from a computer instead of from a phone.
I'm a little old fashioned in that.
But I have to decide what do I need to do today?
What? What do I have to do that I need
to turn the computer back on or?I'm not turning the computer
back on. I am sitting down to dinner with
my husband. I'm going out with friends.
I, I'm, I'm watching the TV show, whatever it might be, and

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deciding, OK, I have to put. It into perspective what needs
to get done now what could wait until tomorrow.
Yeah absolutely. And like we said is that's being
intentional. I love what you say about I will
I put my laptop thing lid down. It's in a desk in a different
part of the house. That way I'm not tempted to look

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at it when it lights up to, you know, tell trick myself into
thinking, oh, that no, it can wait.
And it also trains the people wework with.
A train sounds like kind of a funny word.
To know when they have access tous, to know when to expect
answers from us, and to understand that I may not get

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back to you 5 minutes after you've contacted me.
And that's OK because I'll be available tomorrow morning at,
you know, 8:00. And the most important thing is
I don't miss a single deadline. Yeah, Absolutely.
Yep. Hire Andrea.
Past public relations know that I will make sure I am in touch

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with you. I will make sure I am in touch
with the press. I will not miss a deadline.
Yeah. And.
And so I don't. And then I have to put it into
perspective. This is important and has to be
done right now. This isn't.
This could wait till next week, or maybe this doesn't have to
happen at all. And I think that by setting a

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calendar, setting our time frame, setting our boundaries
and and figuring out how it's going to work the best way
possible for us is what is goingto give us that positivity
moving. Forward, absolutely, absolutely.
We're going to feel refreshed, rejuvenated, and we're because
we're not sacrificing ourselves and we're going to have be

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fresher and better for the client, you know, and the people
that we're servicing when we do that as well.
So good. All right, taking care of our
emotional health as much as our mental and physical health.
We really touched on this already, but it's that realizing
that, Oh my gosh, it's 3:00. I haven't eaten my stomach
sprowling. I have a headache.

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All these things impact us and affect us if we don't take steps
away to tend to all the parts ofus.
So talk to me about how you do that, how you tend to all the
parts of you well. I think it's it's not only
learning when to say no, but if you have to cancel something.
An example must have been about two years ago.

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My mother was in the hospital and I was scheduled to give a
lecture that morning on Zoom and75 people had RSVP D for the
talk. And I was in the hospital with
my mother. And so I called the person who
was running the event. I I'd been in the hospital all
night. I waited till about, you know, 8
on the dot. And I think the talk was at

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9:30, but I didn't want to call earlier than 8.
And I explained where I was. And the first thing he said was,
how is your mother? How nice?
And he says, Andrea, we will still have our meeting.
We'll all we'll come up with a topic.
And would you be willing to be aspeaker?
I'm booked for the next two months.
But can I have yes, yes. And I was a speaker in a few

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months and I took care of what had to get taken care of in that
moment, in that moment. You know, it happened to be my
mom, but it's it's knowing when you're you're going to
emotionally separate. And I just had I just had a call
with a client of mine who said, yeah, it's crazy.

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My sister-in-law passed away. We're leaving in the morning.
And I said we didn't need to do this phone call.
I felt horrible. I said, I am so sorry.
And she said no, no, this is good for me.
And I said, as long as you're OK, if you we can do the call
when you get back from your travels.
And. You know, recognizing her

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emotions and how she wanted to handle it, That's what's if we
can emotionally touch one another and care about one
another. And if there's anything that
COVID taught us is to care aboutone another and to say how are
you? And to say no, put it in

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perspective. Do we need to do this call at
this moment? Do we, you know, your family
needs you or you're just, you need a nap, whatever it might
be? Yes.
I have to tell you Melissa, I amlike Arianna Huffington.
Arianna Huffington is a huge proponent for naps and if I
could take a 15 minute cat nap, I do it because it refreshes

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you, you're energized and that'sanother well-being step that I
take when I can. You want to take a cat nap
everyday? No, no, I don't have enough time
to do that. But if, if I can take 15
minutes, that's I'm having a later lunch and it might be, oh
great, I don't have a call till 3:00.

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I will set my alarm and I give myself 15 minutes.
And boy do I feel good. And it's finding that time or
finding that time, like you said, to walk around the block.
You're in California, I'm in NewJersey.
There are times of the year thatI can't walk around the block.
It's. Been cold for you lately?
You know, and it's interesting, I'm actually heading to
California in a few days and I, I'm looking forward to weather

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warmer than than New Jersey. But but to walk around the
block, I do try to do that. And I'll say, oh great, I have
1/2 an hour in between calls or I'm working on this project, but
I need to clear my head and thenjust say I'm going to take that
walk. And my husband and I in the warm
weather, we tend to get up at 6:30 in the morning and we have

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a loop that we do about 3 miles long.
But we are out walking at 6:30 in the morning.
And when I tell people, why are you up so early, it starts our
day. We get to have a conversation.
We, we're not on our phones because we're walking, we're
getting fresh air and then we'reready to start our day.

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And so I am a big believer in getting some fresh air when you
can. And there are times in the nice
weather that I am actually working and taking calls from my
deck. Yeah.
And I'm outside and someone willsay, what's that noise?
Now the birds are a little loud.I'm on the deck.
But just to give yourself that fresh air.

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And I think that there's a lot to be said for, for that.
And and so that's another way that I'm taking care of myself,
yeah. Yeah, and it's you're doing it
in time that already exists. You pointed, you made such a
good point so many times I will hear women say, well, when I
don't have time, let's look at the time you already have.

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I do the same thing here in California in the spring.
I will often take my laptop outside, sit down, work out
there. It's nice.
It's warm but not too warm yet. And mentally it's I'm refreshed,
I'm got it a little different scenery.
It just changes the whole way. I see things my husband and I

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started in just as the new year started in January.
It's starting getting up at 5:30in the morning and going for a
walk. I am not a morning glory.
And I really did this more to help him get it done because I
have flexibility in my day in interms of when I get my work at
him. But I tell you, it has been
really good to get up, to connect with him, to get

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outside, to clear our heads, to move our bodies before we start
the rest of our day. And what that does for my
mental, emotional, physical health.
I noticed a difference in the level of anxiety or stress that
would rise up in me as I was working on something throughout
the morning. Simply by getting outside and

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rejuvenating my senses and starting down here, rather than
starting up here spinning and thinking about all the things
that are going on in my day. Exactly.
And I think that, you know, looking at your, your emotional
and physical well-being, it alsois how you handle things.
And I know you were asking me mycharacter traits.

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And I think that for me, the oneI had at the top of the list was
honest, because I don't want anyone to work with me expecting
me to tell you what you want to hear.
Yeah. That's not going to work.
So I'm going to be honest and, and even when I have a new
business call and they say, oh, how much press can you guarantee

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me? I can't guarantee you any.
Press I will. Secure press coverage because
that's what I do for a living. But can I guarantee it?
No, Take out an ad if you want to guarantee.
Pay for it? Yes, you'd want.
Editorial coverage, Earned mediacoverage.
You come to enter your past public relations.

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I will be honest with you, but are you Wall Street Journal
material? Not necessarily.
But you might be a trade magazine material or a consumer
publication or a podcast or a newspaper.
There's other media that, yes, that's the right media.
So honesty has really helped me because then I'm not stressed

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out. I've been honest.
No one could say. But you said this.
No, because I wouldn't have saidthat because I am honest.
And I think that so many people,I don't want to say they're just
dishonest. That's not what I'm saying.
But they'll tell others what they think the others want to
hear, even though they can't achieve it.

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And in the long run, that's going to make you as a business
person look bad because you couldn't achieve it.
I'd rather be honest on what I'mable to achieve.
And if you don't like my answer,then then I'm not the right
public relations person for you.Go to someone else and I bet
you'll come back to me in a few months because that other person

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will have been, you know, fibbing a bit.
But I think that for my health and my well-being, being honest
and also when you're honest, youdon't have to keep track of a, a
story. Yeah.
Because the lie builds, even if it's not a lie, even if it's an
exaggeration. Exaggeration.

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It builds on itself and it builds on itself, and it takes
out a life of its own, even if it's well intended.
And, and it's interesting because I had this situation
just a few weeks ago because someone had said XY and Z to me
and I was talking to a colleague.
Well, they told them a differentstory about the same situation.
And then when I went back to theperson and asked something, they
told a third story. So I'm like, I'm thinking in my

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head, which is it? And so it's easier to be honest
and tell it. Just tell the story the way it
actually happened. And then you won't get wrapped
up in mistakes. I don't necessarily want to say
falsehoods because they're not necessary falsehoods, but in
mistakes. But again, for your own

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well-being in, in business and in life and, and an interesting
story of going to this. I, I was saying to a friend, I
had a situation, something upsetme and I let it build and build.
And so I finally said, I have todiscuss this with a friend.

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And I said to her, I need to tell you how I feel.
And she immediately, you know, jumped and I said, I'm using my
words. This is how I feel.
I'm not telling you how you feel.
I need you to know how I feel and I use the term I'm using my
words to which this friend said children say that adults don't

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say that. If an adult says I'm using my
words, it means they want to do you bodily harm.
Well, of course I am like the sweetest person.
I, I barely like step on a bug. I, I, I would never do anyone
bodily harm. But the person did not want to
listen to how I felt. Yeah.

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And so that relationship is now very different because I realize
that how I feel, I don't want tosay it's not important to that
person, but they didn't want to hear me.
Yeah. And so it's important in
everything that we are doing to to be honest and say this is how

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I felt or I can't do this because it might trigger me or I
need my space or whatever. It might be that you're honest,
but sometimes you have to verbalize it to people because
they're not mind readers. And I joke, I say I never took
mind reading 101 in college. So since I didn't have that

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course offered at my university,I'm sure you didn't either.
And so we have to, you can't assume something.
I hate the word assume, but you can't assume something if and
you have to use your words to explain it, whether it's
personal or professional, so that the message is hopefully
received the way you intended tobe received and not received as

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it was an accusation. Because I was not doing an
accusation, I was just saying myfeelings.
And it's not your responsibilityfor how they receive it.
You know, it's your responsibility to deliver it
well, to talk in I statements, use your words, but it's not.
But you also, it's so important.I want to tie this back to you.
This does impact our mental, emotional, physical health and

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well-being. Because if we're not being
honest, if we're just saying yesto things to try to garner
business, that can be damaging to our integrity down the road,
that can build up our stress levels more, which negatively
impacts our physical and emotional health.
I mean, it's all tied together. So I'm so that's so great how
you brought that together and that one piece, that one

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character trait has such a broadimpact.
Yeah, exactly. And I think that this exercise,
when you said to me, you know, Andrea, list your character
traits and I think everyone should do this exercise, write
it down, then type it, print it and put it next to your desk and

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and remember those character traits.
Remember those things and, and some of the other things I said,
you know, friendly, responsible,thorough, caring, strategic.
Yeah, OK. Remember to always be caring.
Remember to be authentic. Remember to be commutative
because so many people are not effectively communicating.

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They think they wrote something or said something, but they
didn't. And I know that my public
relations clients consistently get emails from me.
They get Outlook invitations forevery interview.
I text them to remind them you have an interview tomorrow at
2:00 PM. So I'm doing all of these

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methods of communications so that nothing will slip through
the cracks because they're hiring me to get a job done.
And if you are not communicatingwith the client then how are you
getting the job done? Yeah, yeah.
But it is so interesting to me, the basic premise of
communication is so powerful, yet so underutilized.

(32:20):
And we're going to come back to that in a minute because I've
got more questions on that. But before we do, I want to ask
you about you do this really well, but you've learned how to
do this in my, in my purview. You do this really well from
from our conversations and what I've learned about you of how we
can support ourselves and other women in living

(32:41):
unapologetically. And it really starts with
showing up well, believing in ourselves, valuing ourselves,
communicating, like you said, our needs, our boundaries, our
expectations, and then supporting other women and
feeling the freedom and safety to do that as well.

(33:02):
And so talk to me about your. Journey with that and how you've
gotten to the point where you are today with it.
Networking, networking, networking.
I have met the most amazing women business owners since I
started Andrea past public relations and we all have
something different. We have different character

(33:24):
traits, we have different skill sets, we have different
backgrounds and different familysituations.
But when we are in the room, whether it's a virtual room or
an in person room, there's something so special about
fellow women in business, no matter what stage of your
business you are AT. And I've been very active in

(33:47):
networking with Fellow women business owners, general
business owners, but for instance, my colleague Carissa
Young, she is a portrait and branding photographer.
She and I recently, a number of months ago, started a women's
meet up and whether we meet at alocal Panera and everyone grabs

(34:07):
a cup of coffee or we needed a woman owned business and people
order. We went to a Waffle House
waffles and dreams in Fairfield,NJ.
I had the most amazing crepe, but I'm getting sidetracked.
But whether we're but we're supporting one another in what
we're doing. And and that support extends to

(34:28):
social media to follow one another on social media to not
only like a post, but engage with the post.
And if the post really moved, you share it with your audience.
And this is a way that we can support other women in business
that may not do what we do. We're not competitors, we're

(34:49):
supporters. And so so doing that is just
means so much to me. And even if it's meeting someone
for a cup of coffee or doing a one-on-one call virtually or
picking up the phone and saying,how are you, you know this is

(35:09):
going on or that's going on. You know that you, you know a
little bit about the person's life.
And to say something like that, I think networking and getting
to know other women business owners will definitely benefit
you personally and professionally.
And it's interesting. I met a woman when I first

(35:30):
started my business at an in person networking event.
I think we sat across the room from each other.
We didn't even sit next to each other.
And at the end of the meeting, Idon't know, we got drawn to one
another. She is now a wonderful friend
and I said that to her. I don't and I don't use the word
friend lightly. To me, everyone can't be your

(35:51):
friend. They could be someone you know,
you have a connection with. But I don't call everyone a
friend. And I was talking to her earlier
today and someone had said to me, a person I know through
business called me a friend. But we're friendly.
We are colleagues. There's a difference.
And I was explaining to this woman who started out as

(36:13):
business, who has become my friend.
And I want, I said to her, I need you to know that I value
the fact that I can call you a friend.
And some of those relationships in in business or in networking
will turn into a friend. Other relationships will be
business oriented, colleague oriented.
They all have a place in your life, but to have them is a

(36:37):
treasure. Yeah, you.
Thank you so much for that. That's so good.
I was actually this morning at I'm part of our Fresno County
Women's Chamber of Commerce hereand we had our breakfast that
kicks off every January that ournew officers are sworn in and we
have a great speaker and it's just a great place.

(36:59):
It's to gather and get together and touch base and we meet a
couple times a month. I mean, I, I don't always get to
everything, but there's two to three times a month that we have
opportunities to get together and share what we do.
And we follow each other on social media and we share each
other's posts and we let friendsknow we use the businesses.
We, you know, there's one Gallusphotographer.

(37:21):
She's going to do some professional pics for me for my
work and I'm going to bring her on the podcast as a guest to
help people know more about whatshe does.
I mean, and, and just even just having those connections, even
if they don't end up being a match for working directly
together, you can still follow, share, promote what each other

(37:42):
does. And that's so empowering and
helpful to each other. I'd love to you mention that,
but also you said something elsereally important.
Not everybody is going to be your best friend.
That's OK. They don't have to be.
There's a different ways that weengage in relationships in our
lives. Some relationships are going to

(38:02):
change and maybe bygone or maybepast.
That doesn't mean anybody did anything wrong or bad and we can
still support each other and andlift each other up when we have
the opportunity. But it's all those relationships
are important and necessary and and part of our community and

(38:23):
engaging and being active withinthe world and supporting what
you do. But there is those different
levels. So I'm so glad that you brought
that up. That's so important.
It's knowing the relationship and being open to, I mean, to
me, I can never have enough connections.

(38:45):
Yeah, yeah, for. Sure, I I meet you on a on a
Zoom platform. And here's an interesting story.
I I was out in San Diego a few years ago visiting my son and
two women that I knew from networking were not far.
So I said to them, is there any way we could meet?

(39:06):
And they each drove an hour fromtheir directions to come meet up
with me. We started hugging like we were
long lost sorority sisters. Fast forward, one of the women
is very, very swamped right now.And I had posted on LinkedIn
that I had met a business colleague.

(39:27):
He was coming to my town for a reason and he said, can we meet
for coffee? I said of course, and I posted
it. The other woman out in
California wrote and said, when are we getting together?
So I called her. I called her yesterday and we're
chatting Whatever. I said, you posted on LinkedIn,
how would you like to have breakfast next Tuesday?

(39:50):
And she was silent, absolutely silent.
And all of a sudden she lets outthis yell.
You're going to be here, I said.Well, I don't know exactly how
far I'm going to be from you. Yeah.
But I will drive if you will drive if we could meet in the
middle. She found an amazing coffee
shop. Everything looks delicious on
this menu in some town near San Diego that I've never heard of.

(40:14):
And my husband's going to come with me and we are going to meet
her and getting a chance to meetsomeone in person.
Yeah. And but I, I, I don't know, I
have in the, in the real world, I'd have nothing in common with
this person. We have very different
backgrounds, but we met through networking and business.

(40:37):
And what we have in common is warmth, caring.
That's what we have in common. Well, those are wonderful things
to have in common and this, thispiece, this part that we make
time for, for relationships and connection is such a vital part
of our health journey and our Wellness journey.

(40:58):
This is a way of taking care of yourself.
This is a form of self-care, that connection to make time
for. So I'm so glad you pointed it
out. Thank you so much.
And I'm so glad you get to meet up with her again.
That's fantastic. I can't.
I can't. I can't wait.
I. Can't wait, she says.
I'm finding a place that you canget your decaf coffee and I can
get my decaf tea. I said it and we know that about

(41:19):
each other. We know that we bolster A decaf.
But she doesn't do coffee. I mean, but those are the
important little details. You only know when you take time
to connect with someone. I love that so much.
Thank you. That was such a good, authentic
example. I love that.
All right. Talk to me about the importance
of coming back to your why in your values, especially in your

(41:42):
work where you're really having to decide who you're going to
give your time to, who you're going to work with.
You have been in situations in the past where your Y and values
have not been honored in very, you know, volatile, unhealthy
work environment. So I would imagine for you now
as your own business owner, thisreally hits home even more for

(42:04):
you. But talk to me about how that
plays into helping you inform who you will work with.
It's very interesting because my, my, why?
I love public relations. I love what I do.
I am a kid in a candy store. When that interview or article

(42:25):
or picture or anything that I placed on behalf of the the
client comes out, yeah, I can't wait to service the client and
say here's a link to this article or this interview or
this podcast that that I securedfor you.
So you know that I'm moving the needle by getting them press
coverage to help grow their business, brand awareness, Dr.

(42:47):
sales for their product, their service, their book, their
nonprofit. Boy, do I feel good.
And so my why is to serve otherswith my expertise in public
relations. But I'm going to, again, be
honest about what's achievable. I'll always reach for the stars.

(43:10):
You know, I mean, I have had clients on ABC 2020, Good
Morning America, the Today Show,CNN, The New York Times, The
Wall Street Journal. But I've also had clients in the
little local newspaper, which isimportant, or a mom blog or, you
know, a podcast targeted to a certain audience.

(43:30):
And all of these are important to increase awareness.
But learning my why and the people that I want to work with,
you know, we have to realize we're not all going to have
everything in common. And there might be traits that
we have that don't gel with other people.
And I know that I have beliefs that others may not have, but

(43:52):
that means that I could choose if I want to work with that
person. And one time I was having a call
and someone made a derogatory comment and did not realize when
the person made the derogatory comment because I am that.

(44:12):
Oh boy. Religion that he chose to whack.
And so I waited. We were on zoom, waited few
seconds, I just paused and then I informed him that I am of that
religion. I said and I think we should end
the call now. And I didn't feel bad about it.

(44:35):
He never wrote me an e-mail apologizing.
Wow. And I was just in a state of
shock because I am a very respectful person.
I respect everybody. We can all have different
backgrounds, different beliefs, different upbringings, but the
most important thing is to be kind and respect everybody.
Yeah. And.

(44:55):
And this businessman spewed hatred.
And I, I was in a state of shock.
So I chose that I would not do business with him.
Another story, I had a new business call the other day and
we got on the call and I realized immediately this person
was not going to hire me becauseI didn't have the right look.

(45:19):
I'm not thin, I don't have long blonde hair.
I don't wear expensive jewelry. I could tell just I don't live
in an expensive town. I could just tell that
financially and image wise, she wasn't going to want me to
represent her because I didn't have the look.
And I was on the phone with a business associate.

(45:40):
I was explaining the story to her and I had to write the
proposal the next day and I was holding off.
Lo and behold, she reaches out to me and says thank you so
much. But I found someone who's a
better fit that understands my my message.
Well, I understood her message. Yeah.
She was a bit narrow minded in thinking that her message could

(46:01):
only go to this audience but I was so glad that I didn't take
the time to write the proposal because I knew we were not a fit
and it was for the wrong reasons.
So when I wrote back to her I said thank you so much for
getting back to me should anything change.
You know where to find me because person she's hiring
might have the right look but may not have the right

(46:25):
abilities, so she might be. Back in.
Six months. We'll see.
And you ended it in a way that was respectful and kind.
But I love how you put the pauseon.
I want to talk about the pause because I think taking a pause
sometimes is so important when we're taking a moment to assess

(46:48):
how much time and energy do I want to give to something that
is probably not going to be a fit anyway.
I think that's really valuable and really smart that you that
you did that in the 1st place. You didn't burn energy on
something that you knew wasn't probably you weren't going to
get any. Not that you do things, but in

(47:08):
business, you do you want returns.
If you invest time on space and energy, you want to return from
that. You knew that.
So you were like, I don't need to prove anything to her.
I already have a sense and that,you know, I think that's
something that's so important too, is we, we in so many ways

(47:30):
mistakenly judge a book by its cover, whatever the cover may
be. And we don't actually ask the
questions and learn the story and understand the gifts and
what's behind all of that. And it gets us in trouble time
and time again. I I.
I. Want you to let me know if you
ever hear back from her. I'm very curious about this, but

(47:52):
I think it's it's such a good example and it's fine.
You're fine. I mean, that's the thing that
I'm I'm more than fine you. Know and, and like, you know,
again, if you're choosing to notwork with me because of I don't
have the right hair or the rightjewelry or the right weight, OK,
then, then you're superficial. That is your, your choice.

(48:14):
I happen to be an expert in public relations.
I would be able to be successfulfor you, but that's OK.
I'm at a stage of my life now and I'm not near retirement age,
but I don't know if I'll ever retire because I love public
relations and I'll always want to do it and represent people.
But I can, I can be picky. And I think, and one of the

(48:36):
things I say to, to business owners, especially young women,
yeah, business owners is, is that you might have to pay your
duties. You're going to have to pay your
dues, sure. But to any entrepreneur, I say
don't go into business for yourself if you can't afford
health insurance because in today's world you don't know the

(49:02):
insurance is insurance. You don't know what tomorrow is
going to bring. And to get the appropriate
healthcare, you might need to gowork for someone else for a
while until you save up money. So you could pay for health
insurance unless you have a a spouse or another method to to
get health insurance. I happen to be fortunate my
health insurance is through my husband's company.

(49:24):
Not everyone is, is married or their spouse has insurance or,
or what have you. But to realize, what can you
achieve? What do you need money for?
OK. I I don't drive a fancy car.
Yeah. I I it's not one of the things
that matters to me. Yeah.
It's not one of your, it's not something you value.

(49:45):
You spend your time and energy on the places and things that
you value and. And for us, we value travel.
Yeah. We, we want to, we want to see
things and, and travel. And so as we've, you know,
gotten older, we're scheduling more trips and people laugh at
us. We, we've already booked a trip
for a year and a half from now. People laugh at you.

(50:05):
I really did. That.
It's because we want to take these opportunities while we can
and and while we can, you know, physically get around and go
hiking and go snorkeling and take this tour and keep walking
and whatever it is that we're doing.
But that's what we value other people, that's not important to
them. They want the fancy, the fancy

(50:27):
car or the fancy house. That's fine.
That's fine, whatever you want to do.
But recognize in your business what is your goal, what's your
goal? And my goal is to be happy and
to help others be more successful in their business by
securing press coverage and being a very effective public

(50:49):
relations professional. But I think that finding the
time for volunteerism, I, I do anumber of volunteer things that
are my choice. I always get a kick out of
people who reach out to me and say, oh, could you do pro bono
work for me? Can you?
No, no, no. If I choose to find a something,
that's my choice. Otherwise, I get paid for my

(51:09):
services. But, but to to volunteer.
I love volunteering to speak. I, I, I'm a featured author in a
book called Heart Centered Marketing.
And, and so I speak about that. I'm speaking at a Rotary Club in
two weeks. And listen, these are mostly
retired people. I'm not securing any business

(51:30):
from this Rotary Club, nor do I make money.
If anyone buys the book, that goes to the book publishing
house, but I'm going to teach them something.
Yeah. And so I'm actually teaching a
class in public relations for a local Community College that has
an institute for learning in retirement.
And I'm watching you talk about public relations.

(51:52):
It's just a one class for about an hour and a half.
It's you know, they, they sign up for these classes, whatever.
But the way I positioned it is learn to secure press coverage
in your volunteer life or your second act.
Oh, I like that. Because so many retirees get
very active in volunteerism, andsecuring press coverage for your

(52:14):
volunteer organization is something you can do on your
own. I'll give you some tips.
And so giving back. It feels so good to give back.
Yeah, it does. And you've chosen those places
because I want to say something important here.
To have you touch on it is amazing to me because I've

(52:35):
chosen there are organizations that I will do pro bono speaking
for. There's a gender and leadership
development group at Fresno State University and the College
of Business for Women to help them build up their confidence
and their value and their beliefin themself and give them just
good tools and resources as theyget ready to go out into the

(52:58):
business world as women in environments that aren't
necessarily a lot of women in them.
And so everything I do for them is pro bono.
Same thing with in the Chamber of Commerce, if I speak at a
lunch or whatever pro bono and Ichoose that and I love that.
And that's how I give back. But it's always a learn amazing

(53:19):
to me how many people will approach about, oh, will you do
that pro bono? Oh, will you just, you know, as
a woman, it's even though there's so many of us out here
in the world running businesses doing them successfully.
I heard an amazing statistic this morning at the breakfast I
was at that the mayor of Fresno,who's a man and did all the the

(53:43):
rate the helping people into their new offices today and
honoring them. He's the one that shared the
statistic about how much more successful new women
entrepreneurs have a 70% higher success rate than men do.
And yet there's still this thingout there of asking women to
give away their gifts, their resources for free.

(54:07):
So how do you, I love that you brought that up.
And like, I choose what it is. I will give my time to.
If you want something from me, we can sit down and I can write
a proposal and we can talk aboutit.
But I think that's a really important thing for women to
hear and know that that's good and right, and you should demand

(54:29):
what you deserve in terms of your value and what you're
bringing to someone. So I'm so glad you brought that
up. Do you have anything else you
want to say about that? No, it's, it's very interesting
because you have to know your value.
And I had someone say, oh, but someone said they could do it
for this amount of money per month.
And I said, well, I would need to work 20 hours.

(54:50):
So 20 hours into that amount of money means I'm getting less
than I would if I was bagging groceries at the supermarket and
you hear silence like on the other side.
I love that, you know, and and and and.
It's no disrespect to the the the beggars at the supermarket,
but they know going into it whattheir salary is going to be.

(55:11):
I have experienced and thereforeI am not going to work for that
amount of money. And they don't realize I said,
oh, but it just takes you just sent an e-mail.
No, booking an interview and securing press is not an e-mail.
It's strategy. It's research.
And I have an overhead. I subscribe to databases in my

(55:33):
industry that get me closer to the right editor or producer or
host. Those databases cost a lot of
money. The newsletters I subscribe to
cost a lot. So I have an overhead, you know,
and we all do in business, even if it's to have business
insurance. And I'm amazed at how many
people don't have business insurance.

(55:54):
And I'm like, no, I'm not chancing someone eventually
suing me. There's no.
Reason I would. But I'm going to buy the
insurance and you know, having awebsite and updating your
website and paying for the hosting all of these things,
business cards, a logo, everything costs money in
business that I am not going to take you on for this.

(56:16):
A little amount of money when, when and then they they well, it
doesn't. Yeah, it does.
But go ahead. I'll get an intern.
OK, go get an intern. And I did have a few situations
where people came to me. They didn't know me, but they
came to me after they had APR firm that didn't do the work.

(56:36):
And I said, well, I can't speak for them, but if you hire Andrea
past public relations, I do the work, I communicate, I'm going
to be honest with you and we're going to see the needle, needle
move. And within days they were seeing
this. They said we never heard from
our PR person. They just sent the bill and we
paid it. And I said, why did you pay the

(56:58):
bill? Yeah.
Why did you pay the bill if theydidn't do any work?
And, and so I'm going to do the work and I'm going to feel good
about the work and I'm going to work with people who I know like
and trust. And they're going to work with
me because they get to know likeand trust me.
And and that's where I want to be moving forward with those

(57:21):
kind of people and see it to feel good to be able to not
worry if I need to cancel an appointment because I have to
take my parents to a doctor or, you know, I have to cancel an
appointment because maybe I don't feel well or whatever it
might be. Or I'm saying, let's meet for
coffee. And sometimes I'm paying for a

(57:44):
cup of coffee and other times I'm not going to split the, you
know, I'm going to split the check because we're meeting for
a cup of coffee and I can't afford to always pay for
everything. Yeah.
And I'm always going to be true to me and they're going to be
able to say if I'm with Andrea and I'm working with Andrea past
public relations, I'm going to have a great experience and I'm

(58:04):
going to like her. Yeah, yeah.
I love that. Oh, thank you so much for all of
that. So much good stuff there.
All right. We've talked a lot about this
already today, but living out ofyour own expectations versus
others, you have outlined that very well.
How you do that throughout this episode today and that, but that

(58:26):
communication piece is so key. You learned the hard way, the
cost to yourself if you did not communicate your expectations
versus somebody else's expectations of you, your needs,
all those kinds of things. So is there anything else you
want to add to that because you've you've outlined it,
you've spoken to it so well or anything that you would say to

(58:50):
women in general, not just womenstarting a business, but women
in general about the importance of communicating their
expectations and being clear about that.
Because you have to do that across the board.
You have to be an excellent communicator for what you work
in. And so, yeah, just go ahead on
that, you know? So I I would just say don't,

(59:11):
don't assume that someone knows what you're saying.
Make sure that you verbalize, maybe follow up with with an
e-mail. Take the time to get to know the
other person. Google them, listen to them on
podcasts, you know, look at whatthey're posting on social and

(59:33):
you'll see if that's if you're going to jail and if you're not
going to jail, walk away. There'll be.
Another opportunity. Walk away, because it doesn't.
You should not be losing sleep. You should not have heartburn.
You should, you know, life is too short that we should all be

(59:53):
happy and, and do what we love to do and be able to then
achieve whatever that is. If it is that you want to write
a book or you want to go on a vacation or you know, you want
to buy a new car, whatever it might be that you want, you
know, or you want to just spend time with your friends and
family or or or watch Jeopardy, whatever it might be.

(01:00:19):
Be happy. Be whatever you can do so that
you are happy in your world. Yeah, yeah.
Thank you for that. So good.
All right. Accepting the layered aspects of
ourselves, all those pieces and parts that make up our story.
Some we love, some we don't. Decisions we wish we would have
made that we didn't make relationships.

(01:00:39):
It's the full package. Talk to me about your layers
journey and accepting all those pieces and parts that of your
story that make up who you are. Oh my goodness.
You know, it's so funny when I think about my, my layers, the
layer that drives me crazy is when others don't do what I
think should be done. And we can't control other
people. And I had worked at it at A at a

(01:01:00):
firm a number of years ago. And I was remote and the staff
was working in their time zone from 8:00 to 4:00.
But when I would go to their time zone, they would show up at
8:30 quarter to 9. And at 9:15, they left to get
Starbucks and there was a full kitchen.

(01:01:21):
And then they would go out to lunch for an hour and a half and
the phone would ring and they wouldn't answer the phone.
And I'd say, but the phone is ringing.
If someone's calling you, it's aclient or the press, that's
who's calling you. And then in the afternoon, they
would stand around camping. And at 4:00, I would still be
there working because I was visiting and they were gone at 2
minutes to four and I'd be waiting for something.

(01:01:43):
And the boss would say, oh, but it's 4:00.
I said, but I'm on deadline. If I don't get this information
to the reporter, the client won't be included in the story.
And so I realized that we can't force others to work at the
level that we're working. And it was eating me up.
And I knew how I was going to establish Andrea past public

(01:02:08):
relations and not have any for workers or any interns or any
newbies because I knew that it had to be, you know, you didn't
have to work a million hours, but you had to make sure that
you weren't missing deadlines and those sort of things.
So I think that the layers are that we have to realize what's

(01:02:29):
going to work for us. And maybe what's going to work
for you is to work for someone else, maybe not work for
yourself, or to create strategicpartnerships to be involved in a
mastermind group. There are so many things that
can help us. And I know for me, those
strategic partners and masterminds and networking
groups and relationships and learning something new every day

(01:02:53):
is part of the layers that make me who I am.
And I think that for me right now, the most important layer is
that I'm going to get to see my son and his girlfriend in a few
days. And tonight I'm going to be with
my grandson and play with him onthe floor.
He's 8 months old. And and that my husband and I

(01:03:13):
are going on a vacation vacationin a few months.
And that, you know, business is great, but personal is
wonderful. And and and that's what I think
about the layers. Yeah, I love that.
Thank you so much. And I love how you spoke to we
can't make people do things the way we want them to do them.

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And so wearing ourselves, staying in an environment where
it's just going to keep driving us crazy is not worth it.
And it's not. People have to want to be
different. And us, you know, staying there
and doing things the way we do it, hoping someone else will
follow hope is not a strategy. And so I love you pointed that

(01:03:57):
out because I think we can get really hung up on that
sometimes. And we keep thinking whether
it's in work or relationships, if I say enough of this, if I do
enough of that, if I show up here or do this, they're sure to
see it. No, they're not.
I mean, maybe they will, but is it worth what it's costing you
to to take that chance? So thank you for that.

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That was such a good point. And just all the parts of our
life that make up who we are, that bring us joy and
contentment, our relationships, our family, the travel.
Travel's a value of mine as well.
My husband and I always are trying to at least, you know,
once or twice a year do something new, see something
new. And so making sure those are the

(01:04:39):
things you're incorporating as part of all the pieces that make
up your life. Thank you for that.
So good. All right, in living out field,
finding empowerment, embracing layers which you you have
displayed so beautifully today. Talk to me about the impact that
has on your relationship with yourself as well as your

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relationship with other people. I think that because I stay true
to myself, most of my relationships are true
relationships. Every once in a while you're
going to find one that you thought was a relationship that
maybe it was, but maybe today it's not what it was a few years

(01:05:22):
ago. It's OK.
You can move on every relationship and there's room
for new relationships. So I think that that it's as
simple as that. If I meet you and we clicked, we
have a relationship, but just because I was friends with you
for 20 years, maybe we're different now.
So I it hurts. It hurts, you know, but maybe

(01:05:46):
it's just not. We just don't have those things
in common anymore. We see each other, We give each
other a hug when we see each other.
But our lives have taken different turns.
And especially when you, when you own a business, when you
know, in my case, a very successful marriage, you know,
and not everybody has had a successful marriage and you

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know, children that are doing well, not everyone has that or
not everyone has children. So we're, we're going to have
different wants and needs as we get older.
And some people will be along for the ride the whole way and
other people won't be. But to me, as long as you

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respect each other, no matter ifsomething ends, a business
relationship, a personal relationship, respect is the
most important thing. And be true to yourself.
I, I, I just can't. I can't deiterate that enough.
Thank you. That's so good.
And those are such key components.
And if if you don't take anything else away from this

(01:06:53):
episode today, ladies, that those are your two very
important keys and they won't let you down if you stay true to
those. Thank you so much for that.
All right, we're down to the, we're wrapping up here.
Name 5 activities that nourish you.
Oh my goodness 5 activities thatnourish me family, especially my

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grandson. Definitely travel, learning
something new every day I. Love that.
Book club I love, I love. I'm in two book clubs.
I love reading books. I love when I get to go to
author events, especially in person.
There's nothing. There's nothing like reading,

(01:07:37):
you know, and I'm going to be corny on the last one for
nourishment. I love trying new restaurants
and especially with family or friends to to, to try a new
restaurant. All of these elements, really.
And, you know, I can go on about, you know, exercising and
working out and walking and, yeah, OK, you know, but.

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But but those elements you just met, those are part of yourself
care too. I want to bring that back in
that we sometimes we minimize the amount of things that fit
into that box. That is so important.
I love a good new restaurant. I love a good new
recommendation. My Uber driver gave me a
recommendation for a Cuban bakery down in Southern

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California. The next time I go, then I'm
like, yes, I'm going to go find that place.
So I love that. I think that's so great.
All right, 5 words on how you want to feel the next six
months. 5 words on happy, healthy, fulfilled, a little

(01:08:47):
thinner. And.
Educated. Well, that you're learning
something new every day. You're going to be, you're going
to hit that one easily. And all those thank you so much
today for your time, Andrea. I've enjoyed this conversation
so much. It's been so fun to get to know
you more in this side of you. And, and I, I think that you

(01:09:09):
have laid out a beautiful formula for yourself.
And I can see how you're not only a helper to your people
that you work with and helping them get the word out about what
they do, but you understand the importance of the full aspect of
your life of Wellness in all theareas.
And I think that having you as that support person that

(01:09:30):
understands the full lived experience of not just work is
so valuable in someone who is guiding and directing people and
helping them let people know what they're about.
So thank you so much for that. Tell a little people where they
can find you and follow you. This will also be on our
website, on our resources page on embracinglayers.com.

(01:09:52):
But let people know where they can find you, follow you, work
with you. Well, Melissa, thank you so much
for this conversation. I think you and I finally could
have talked for like another five hours.
And I know that if we live near each other, we'd be out having
coffee. So thank you so much for having
me as your guest. Andrea Pass Public Relations is
the name of my company, so my website is Andrea Pass PR.

(01:10:15):
I'm on LinkedIn Andrea Pass. I am on Facebook, Andrea Pass
Public Relations. I'm on Instagram, Andrea pass
PR, I'm on blue sky, I'm on Twitter.
I'm all over the place. So so you'll you'll find me
there. I run a networking group called
Access success networking. It meets the third Thursday of

(01:10:36):
every month at 2:00 PM Eastern, 11 AM Pacific.
It is open to all people in business.
It is a complimentary group, so look us up on LinkedIn and and
feel free to to join us. And I do offer a complimentary
half hour consultation if publicrelations is what you're looking
for, for your service based business, your consumer product

(01:10:59):
based business, your book, your nonprofit.
But I am clear. I do charge for my services, but
I do have a complimentary A complimentary half hour
consultation. But I'd welcome the chance and
just tell me you heard me, you know, on on layers,
unapologetically. All right, all right, well,
thank you so much for being herewith me today.

(01:11:20):
I appreciate this so much feel podcast audience go to
embracinglayers.com. Check out what Andrea offers,
follow her on social media, learn from her.
Even if you don't work with her directly.
She's got so much to offer and Ilove and network this week.
You're you're the thing that I really want you to do is think
of a way you can support yourself and another woman, how

(01:11:43):
you can connect with them, advocate for them, share what
they do that that networking community piece is so valuable
in how we support each other. Andrea, thank you for your time.
Go enjoy that grandson and we'lltalk soon.
Listeners, have a great week. Hello, Melissa Crook here.

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