March 7, 2023 • 48 mins
🎧 Living Her Authentic Truth: Mental Health, Boundaries & Integrative Healing with Lindsay Kerr
In this honest and soul-nourishing episode of The F.E.E.L Podcast, host Melissa Crook welcomes psychotherapist Lindsay Kerr for a vulnerable conversation about living in alignment with your truth, exploring integrative mental health practices, and reclaiming your emotional well-being.
Lindsay shares her journey as a therapist in private practice in Lubbock, Texas, where she partners with DeNovo Therapy to offer alternative modalities such as ketamine-assisted psychotherapy, EMDR, and therapeutic yoga. While these approaches are not blanket recommendations, Lindsay offers insight into how they’ve supported clients in navigating trauma and reconnecting to themselves on a deeper level.
This episode also dives into self-care, boundary-setting, living outside of others’ expectations, and building a life that honors your values and voice. Lindsay’s grounded wisdom reminds us that healing is not one-size-fits-all, and that finding what resonates personally—through research, intuition, and professional guidance—is an act of empowered self-leadership.
🧠Topics Covered:
Trauma-informed therapy practices
Ketamine-assisted psychotherapy & EMDR
Emotional wellness and physical health
Living in alignment with your values
Saying “no” with clarity and compassion
Supporting women in their healing journeys
The layered self: embracing your full identity
Disclaimer: This episode includes discussion of alternative healthcare approaches that may not be suitable for everyone. Listeners are encouraged to conduct their own research and consult with licensed healthcare professionals before making any treatment decisions.
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psychotherapy for women
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(00:10):
Hello feel podcast, audience. Welcome back to the Pod.
This week I am here with LindsayKerr.
Lindsay is someone that I came in contact through the fact that
she was one of our very first feel podcast followers on
Instagram. She is been with us from the
very beginning following, and Supporting what we post and what
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we talked about what we do and through that, I've been able to
also follow her and learn more about her.
Ironically, she lives here in Lubbock, so which is not always
the case, when you kind of go social with all of these things
and they're available to an you know around the world with all
our podcast, links and websites and other things.
So that was kind of a fun thing.And then I realized as I was
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following her in her work, in the therapy world that My
husband and, and I have researched some of the things in
areas, she works in and Bradys actually participated in some of
this stuff never met Lindsay before a bit kind of.
So it's kind of like oh my gosh,such a small world, you just
never know who you're going to run into and and who you've had
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contact with the whole six degrees of separation of think
it's shrinks down really quickly.
Lindsay's character traits that I she asked me to introduce her
by our playful empathetic and inspired Lindsay.
Welcome, so much to the field podcast.
I'm so happy to have you here. Thank you, Melissa.
I'm happy to be here. All right, so we are going to
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jump right in and I cannot wait for you all to hear what she has
to share today. I think that we're going to be
able to talk about some things that maybe you haven't heard
about in a while. Or you haven't heard about in a
way that's necessarily accurate.So, I'm going to ask you to
listen to this, and be willing to be curious and be willing to
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rethink old. Narratives that you've been told
about some things because I think there's some really,
There's No One path to healing and self care and therapy and
being your best self. There's a lot of different paths
that you can take and Lindsay's going to be able to offer up
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some really interesting information within that that I
think if you're if I know that when we're willing to take a
look at it, we have found to be very supportive and helpful in
kind of some Non-traditional areas other.
It's becoming it's not mainstream yet, but we're at
least having conversations again.
And you all will understand whatI'm talking about.
As we get into this conversationLindsay's to start out with.
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And I think this has to probablybe very important for you
because of the line of work thatyou are in, is how to prioritize
self-care in your life and what that looks like for you.
Yeah, well, thank you for the intro and I think we will kind
of expand upon, you know what you're alluding to.
I am a mental health therapist and self-care is of the essence,
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both in my work for myself and then it's often talked about
with the people that I work with.
So I think starting with myself,I am a single mother and I
recognize that self care for me is never perfect and it's not
static. I think that making sure that I
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noticed for myself, that it isn't just this one Wine way of
being. And it's actually always
changing its changing based on my needs.
And then also as my daughter grows up and her needs.
So, giving myself the willingness to sometimes mess
up. I think is a big piece of
self-care and to recognize when I overextend and then learn, you
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know, from that moment to say like, okay this doesn't feel
good and then how can I move back into practices that really
support me? So I've been a therapist for
around 15 years. I got my And 2007, and I did
burn out. So I had a moment of time where
I left the field of psychotherapy and was only
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teaching yoga and was actually working as a barista here in
Lubbock. And I got back into the career
in 2019. And so, I think having that also
an experience where it became too much and some things happen
in my life, where I think now, Now that I have the evidence of
what that feels like, I'm reallyable to prioritize self-care
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because I don't want to. I love my work so much and I
don't want her to, you know, experience that again because
it's really important to me to be here.
So I think prioritizing is a constant conversation with
myself and then with my daughterbecause it impacts her the most
and a lot of times that is, you know, making sure that I have a
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morning where I take good care of myself.
Before I see clients, it's sometimes also recognizing how
many people I can work with withwithin a week and even though I
want to schedule that one littleslot on my calendar that is open
but all the slots don't need to be open and filled.
They actually, there needs to betime that is just open for
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openness and spaciousness. And so learning that dance and
knowing that it is always a dance that I'm kind of
oscillating with inside. Yeah, absolutely.
You too? Each had so many important
things are one as a mom. As a parent, you're constantly
having to be flexible because they seasons change.
They've got piano lessons, they got a recital, they've got a
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game, they've got a dance thing.They've got a, you know,
whatever something going on at school, whatever, it may be, or
they just need to spend some time with you.
And so, you know, being able to adjust that but not neglecting
it. Because I think so many times
mom's just, like, forget it. I'm not even to put my effort
into it, and then all of a sudden they're just fried So
just that importance and being willing to be flexible and
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recognizing it's a dance and it's going to change but staying
with it and being consistent with it because you used a great
example. I appreciate your honesty about
how the fact that you had to step away for a while and
re-examine and how important that is to be willing to do that
for yourself and to step back. And just be like, I am not at
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the capacity. I need to be to be in this space
and I think so many times were unwilling.
Willing to step back and we waittoo long and we stay in spaces
for too long and then it just grows and becomes more prominent
when it comes out in a way that you really didn't want it to
come out in and that can happen,obviously your line of work
where you're taking you're listening to other people's
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experiences and their traumas and then you've got to, you've
got to leave space because I think you talked about a person
thing to leaving space to take that all in and release it.
Not take it on yourself and I love to eat address the stepping
away and coming back and to address the leaving enough space
in your calendar. So that your capacity doesn't
become over drawn. And you're, you know, you're
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allowing yourself to be able to take this information and then
do what you need to do, take care of yourself to be the best.
You can be for your clients for yourself for your daughter.
All of those things, I think that's really important.
Yeah. But with what was the key was
there? A key thing?
Was there a time because she went back in and 20:19 the year
before a pandemic, me what? A time to be a therapist of my
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word over these last couple of years.
It was there something that kindof let you know you were ready
to go back in. Yeah, I mean I think that as a
as a yoga teacher and as a barista I still was offering
support and and then at the sametime I had an offer to work with
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somebody doing something very unique, which we do here at De
novo therapy. So I think that while I was
practicing as a clinician, whenever I was younger, I didn't
necessarily have the tools that I have now.
And so, it was after doing some work and getting back into kind
of working one-on-one with people whether or not that was
doing some coaching work or doing private yoga session, just
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recognizing that, that is a passion of mine.
And so, I also felt like whenever I had been in practice
before I didn't really have the tools that were now Available to
mental health clinicians being that, you know, we really
understood trauma a little bit better.
So in 2019, there was an opportunity presented with me to
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work in partnership with de novotherapy where we now have
treatments that weren't available to me in the, you
know, I guess I graduated in 2007 at that point, a lot of
psychotherapy was based on kind of cognitive behavioral work,
and then I started working People that had severe trauma
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and I think that at the time I didn't feel like I had the
capacity to do a lot of healing.And now we do understand trauma
a lot more and we have tools to provide a healing space and
really I think the most empowering thing is that it's
not necessarily what I provide but we know that everybody has
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an inner healing intelligence and it's just you know giving
them the tools to allow that inner healing too.
To happen. I love that term.
Inner healing intelligence, I haven't heard that before I
think that's a really important term and to understand that we
all possess that so within that coming back in this kind of goes
nicely into it confidently. Setting boundaries you talked
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about earlier about capacity andleaving space between sessions
and not feet, you know, resisting the urge to load up
but so talk and then you're alsoa mom and a daughter, you know
you know these things and makingtime for self-care so talk about
confidently setting boundaries and how that For you.
Ooh yeah. I mean I think that again just
like the prioritizing self-care that this is always something
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that I'm kind of checking in with myself around because
sometimes I have a lot of energyand capacity to take on more and
then there's some times that I feel like I need to really, you
know, spend a lot of time being alone and having more
introspection. And I think, for me, it's to
understand that like we have an image of boundaries that it's
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not a brick wall at. Least in my mind it's more of
kind of like it's like a baby gate or something but you can
move around and kind of figure out for yourself.
I mean I think that you know, one of the things that's been
helpful is to really have trustworthy people in my life
that respect boundaries. So always kind of checking in
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and slowing down for myself too.Before I say yes I'll do that is
really. Is this a true?
Yes. Or is this an overextension?
Of my time as a yoga teacher. I learned pretty quickly that I
could teach every single day of the week.
And then I'd be working every day we of the week.
But in my mind, I had thought while I teach yoga, like, I'm
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just doing yoga. Yeah.
But then I realized that even ifI taught an hour class on a
Sunday that take the, it took up, you know, four hours of the
day. And that would mean a day away
from my kids. So I have some non-negotiables
and which is that I don't work on Sundays, you know, Why I try
to make sure that her and eyes time together is set in the
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times that we can be together a few days of the week.
I won't take after 5:00 clients,different things like that.
So yeah, it's been really helpful.
Absolutely. I think we do have to have those
non-negotiables and kind of set those and be clear with those so
that we can both honor them and,and express clearly it because I
think the yoga thing would be tricky, but even as it one,
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who's doing the yoga class, you're still giving of yourself.
Even though you're doing therapeutic comforting feel good
type exercise. It's still a giving of your
energy to help others do that too.
So being able to delineate when you're doing that just when it's
just your up the focus on you and your well-being versus when
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you're sharing that and espousing that out to other
people that there is a difference there.
So I think that good and that can be tricky because if you get
real easy like this would be great for me all day like.
All right. Wait a minute.
Yeah. In the fridge, Yeah, and the
same with, you know, I think being a mental health therapist,
it's like her. I could schedule seven clients
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and a day, but I have to think about how I'm going to feel the
next day and so I have have learned, you know?
Okay, well, I may not be the type of person that can see
seventh clients in a day. And so that's his also goes
into, just not comparing myself to others.
Yeah. Because other people can do
that, which is great. And then maybe that isn't
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necessarily the same. Thing that's helpful for me,
right? Absolutely.
And we'll get into that later when we talk about expectations
because I think that's a very important thing to address
taking care of our emotional health as much as our physical
health. I am a firm believer that these
things are connected. So talk to me about your journey
with that and your knowledge about that.
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So yeah, I love this question and I do believe that they're
connected and thankfully scienceis now you know taking a stand
that route, those as well. I mean I think Think that it's
felt obvious for me in that regard.
But now to say, like, okay this is all connected through our
nervous system really. And so I mean, I think for me,
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it is it's a deeper listening and we talked a lot about like,
top-down or bottom-up. And sometimes, the message has
come bottom up, so it is throughthe body that we start to really
feel our emotions and and connecting with, you know, what
is what is that Little kind of, you know, nuanced experience
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that I'm noticing in my gut. What is that saying to me?
And then, you know, there is this top-down method as well
where you might look at, okay? Let me look at what my thoughts
are thinking and how my emotionsfeel, and then how that settles
into my body. And so, they're both happening
and it's how we decide to kind of look at them.
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I think, for me, something that you had said earlier was like,
oh look, you had the willingnessto To take a break.
I don't think it was willingness, it was almost your
body screaming at you. And that's where I think we want
to make sure we don't get to that because eventually
something will it's like what's going to get our attention?
And usually the body is going tobe the thing that gets the
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attention and so we can take care of the body so that it
doesn't have to do that but we can also take care of our
emotions so that the body doesn't have to scream at us and
it's something. We're carrying in our body at it
in a way that It's detrimental. Yes.
Yeah, it's I think it's the mostphysical.
So we're going to finally take the the due diligence to take
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care of it. But the messages could have been
coming through more subtle experiences before it has to
wake us up with an injury or feeling completely depleted or
whatever. Well, yeah, I mean and, you
know, I started this podcast to have these conversations because
I got to a breaking point. When I was when we first moved
here to Lubbock, I ended up in the ER twice.
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The first two weeks of two, three weeks of September about
things that I came out at the end of the day.
I mean, I was in the, ER, twice.So a cardiologist, you know, you
know, got my hormones checked, the whole nine yards, and it was
like, it was just came down to things.
I had not processed and moved through there, like you're
physically, okay, but you've gotthis other stuff and that's when
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my husband looked at me. He's like, it might be time to
get back into therapy because I hadn't been in therapy since my
early 30s. And, you know, Take these things
that we sometimes discover wherewe deal with and walk through as
we feel safe doing so, and our brains, just won't release or
allow us, I think to do things until we're in a safe space, you
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could speak to that, probably much better than me, but for me,
it was just like, all right, I didn't have to get here.
So and what I want to do is talkabout.
So the hopefully women that are younger or even ones that are my
age or older, they're in this space feel the freedom to like,
let's dive in. Let's have these conversations.
Processions, let's make these connect points, let's and so
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that we can live, our best freest, lives, and that carrying
all this unprocessed stuff and have some tools to do so.
So and this e 0 and this all these talking points are kind of
led to that but yeah, you know. So we both you and I had that
experience. All right, wait a minute, we
don't have to get here. We can we can do, we can do this
better and we're going to do it better moving forward.
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How can we support ourselves andother women in In
unapologetically because we don't live in a world that makes
us feel like it's safe to do so,for sure.
Yeah, I would argue Texas. Especially yeah, well, I mean, I
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think that we offer women the opportunity to live
unapologetically when we do so ourselves.
I mean, I think that like, even just having this conversation
with you. Like I am, you're modeling
living in your authentic. True.
Ruth. And that is when people will
take that away and say oh wow, you know, she really just feels
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really authentic whenever I'm around her and I think that that
is what gives people the courageto live in their truth.
Yeah. And so I mean I try to do that
as much as I can. Of course, I think part of it is
unpacking old narratives and that's what I really try in.
My work is like where did this story come in that that I was
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supposed to feel this way? And this You know, both for
myself. But that's a lot of the work
that I do with my clients, like,where did this story come from?
And it is it something we want to keep, because sometimes it
is, sometimes, it's a beautiful value system.
That feels really integrated into your whole person and then
sometimes it's something that like doesn't really fit anymore
because we've grown our culture has expanded and grown.
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And so then you get to say, Hey,you know, that doesn't really
work for me anymore. And so I think it's, you know,
being bold with things that we say Say, and even if it's
something that we've progressed saying, just, you know, kind of
being willing to apologize or whatever it is.
But it's also, you know, being creative in the way that we
dress, or really taking courageous steps into doing
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things that were excited about. But kind of feel timid about.
I mean, I could imagine startinga podcast was one thing that
you're like I want to do this. How do I do this?
You know, and then when you justsay well why not and then you
take the leap and do it. Yeah, and I think that's yeah,
you said so many and I think really important things is one
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give that giving that kind of invites other people.
And when they see you, living authentically, invites other
women in and people into feel like it's safe to do the same
with you and that that's a space.
That is a great space to occupy.And also just I think just
continuing to be curious. I mean, I think so many times we
assign truth to thoughts and narratives rather than stories
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rather than just looking at her.Thoughts and stories and being
willing to pull them apart and decide if they're true or if
they used to be true, but they're not anymore.
We just automatically assigned truth to it.
And just stopping and pausing because good or bad of the
stories and thoughts that we have.
They're going to change throughout your life and through
the different seasons. You go through.
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And so being willing to pull those apart and recognize the
difference between them. And that's, I think that's a
really important. And then having those
conversations with other people,then that frees them up.
You liked it. Oh, maybe I should do that too.
Maybe that's something I should dive into.
I mean I will tell you that starting this podcast was
probably one of the I was sitting the other day and kind
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of thinking about just kind of the fears and things that we
don't do because of the narratives and stories we hear
from our backgrounds being a woman, whatever it is.
And the podcast, I told my husband, when we decide it, came
out of a dream wall on my husband's birthday that he
wanted to do and he's doing somestuff from his dream while to
Minds. Just more public because it's
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podcast. Yeah, it was one of the first
things I did were I just went into and was just kind of free
of expectation or like, I'm just, I feel like this is
something I can offer to the world.
I feel like this is a space. I can make an impact in, so
let's just see what happens. And I'm, that's not how I
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normally operate. So, but there's something so
freed in that and then when you have those conversations other
people, then it's like, Okay. Maybe, you know, that's kind of
an example. I try to talk about that because
then hopefully, that inspires something in them will that will
give them the kind of the inspiration.
Courage, you know, push, whatever it is to get to
approach things, the same way. Yeah, I always think of this
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story. I was told, actually I was doing
a lactation training and it kindof reminds me.
I use it a lot because why we have to like, ask where these
these ideas come from. And I think it's like they the,
the story goes like, A woman's making a ham for a family around
the holidays and she cuts the ends.
Off the ham and her partner is like well why do you cut the
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ends off the ham and she's like,I don't know, my mom just did it
and she's like, okay well when your mom gets here let's ask her
why she cuts the ends off the ham.
So the mom comes why do we cut the ends up the hams?
I don't know, my mom just did, it's like, okay, well, when she
gets here, why don't we ask her why she cuts the ends of the
hand. So she gets there.
Why do we cut the ends off of him?
She was like oh my pot was just too small it wouldn't fit in so
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I just hope it brings up for himso it can fit.
So sometimes you're doing that, we're recreating these things
which really, you know, maybe weneed to stop and take a look at
it and everybody we just kind ofkeep doing it.
We don't ask questions. That's the thing.
That's so funny is how many of those things are?
We just doing with like, okay, wait a minute, let me let's stop
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and analyze that. Let's revisit news.
Is this still apple or even necessary?
Or do I need to, to change wavesand I I think it's just such
human nature that we're so habityou know faced and we don't stop
and everyone once while and do like a check in.
Yeah I love people doing that with like the top sheet like so
many people are like yes, have atop sheet.
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You know, and that that becomes this bigger story in their life
like oh I can do it differently.You know, it's empowering the
top sheet is such a bad example because I've continued to have a
top sheet because I grew up withthe top sheet.
My kids hate the top sheet therelike that.
Ended up getting kicked to the end of the bed like their whole
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lives. They don't do one.
I kept doing the top sheet into their like there was literally
like taking it off their bed andthrowing it on the floor.
I was just so like, yeah, it's another layer between you and
the comforter and they're just like this is stupid and I and I
still do it, but that's so funny.
You said, example because my kids were like yes my mother is
that. Oh my gosh, I'll write the
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importance of setting and comingback to your why and your
values. In everything you do.
So the work that we do at De novo is unique and I think I
already said but I realize that not everything is for everybody.
So I say this and then I'll kindof describe our work just
because maybe people that are, you know, listening to your
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podcast, might be interested or have had some Curiosities.
Or like I said, have maybe trieda bunch of things in aren't
necessarily getting to where they want to get in their story.
Is so first of all I say the waythat I work as a mental health
therapist is not linear and thisI think is maybe a theme
throughout my whole interview here which is that you know we
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have to be willing to get it wrong and and to stumble and to
circle around it's usually more of a spiral than it is
necessarily a straight line. Yeah and so when I came back
into being a mental health therapist in 20:19 the director
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of de novo had approached me asking me if I wanted to embark
on this opportunity with him. And what we do is offer ketamine
assisted Psychotherapy, where weuse non-ordinary States Of
Consciousness to help people with PTSD, depression and
anxiety. So ketamine is a anesthetic and
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actually is really safe. It's used often in Veterinary.
And medicine with children in. So what's nice about it is that
while it relaxes the body, we use it and really low doses.
It also is not going to be depressing the respiratory
system. So some anesthetics do that
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sure. However, when they first found
the substance or it was first synthesized and they were using
it in an estate anesthesia, there was something called an
emergence effect and we actuallywork that so it elicits a
psychedelic experience. Hmm.
And it again being really safe was popularized in the Vietnam
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War, actually has something called the Buddy drug because
combat veterans could have ketamine on them and when their
friend got injured, they could give them the injection and it
was enough that they could actually get off the battlefield
Battlefield and get back to actually have surgery.
So, oh wow. So that's kind of cool.
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So the way we use it is both with Ivy.
So people can come in and get about a 40-minute Ivy, and in my
office it's kind of mean assisted Psychotherapy.
So the way that we use it is an intramuscular injection, we work
with practitioners. So our office is also a blend of
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medical and therapeutic modalities.
We have, I think when I initially started, With Ben, it
was me and him, and a doctor in the, in 2019.
And now we have about five to six therapists that work with
us, as well as multiple medical team members.
So we have a nurse practitioner,a few paramedics that come in,
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and do the medicine work also. And okay, so just to give you
kind of an idea of what the sessions look like with me.
It's a two-hour session. I usually like to have some
rapport with my clients because it is You know, it's different
people that have never had anything like this is we want to
make sure that they're building trust with me and trust with the
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medicine and trust with our whole staff here.
And so initially they'll come inafter doing it in take with our
medical side of the facility will have about a 30 minute
conversation about what we're doing.
It's an intention setting space to look at you know if we are
addressing certain traumas or there is even maybe just this
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underlying Feeling of self-doubtor something that we're really
trying to use the medicine for Imean, I think we share the
intention that they just want tofeel better.
That's kind of a broad stroke ofan intention.
Sure. And it kind of goes with the old
understanding of how these substances work, which is set
and setting, so the mindset and that's what we're trying to get.
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The intention around is that mindset is for healing and then
we as a facility share that mindset and then the setting
it's a really safe. So they'll after we spend about
30 minutes kind of talking aboutthe intention then they'll
receive the injection from our medical staff and then it's a
20-minute Half-Life. So usually there's a second dose
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given in about a 40-minute art of being in this.
Not an ordinary State of Consciousness.
I often say ketamine is kind of like a dream so it's almost like
yeah, I'm holding space for a dream state and sometimes people
will talk through it. Sometimes people will stay
pretty quiet and Then afterwardswe have you know another 45
minutes to kind of dive into content that came up throughout
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the experience, to link it back to their intention.
I use the word inner healing intelligence earlier and the way
that I like to think about it isour bodies heal.
And we know that because we can see a cut and, you know, you'll
have a cut and then weeks later it will, but it is important to
not kind of like pick the scab or anything like that.
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Sure. Some with a broken bone that You
can break a bone and then maybe it gets set in the cast.
Well, the cast isn't what's doing the healing, the cast is
giving the body, the containment, so the body can do
the healing and so same with, you know, the therapy that we're
offering as well as the not ordinary State of Consciousness.
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It's not doing the healing but it is like the cast so that you
can actually get into these deeper layers to process the
trauma. Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely. And I can tell you from you, you
know, kind of seeing this be done that.
There's a lot of power in it, but it also I think and this is
true and anything going, your, you got to go into it with a
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mindset of trust and safety, or it's just going to be, you're
not going to get out of the experience, I think and I think
that's true for anything therapeutic.
Quite honestly, they going to respond spaces, where it feels
like it's safe to respond, but Ithink it's a really important
therapy. That's Out there an alternative.
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And I'm so glad you shared aboutit and just also just the safety
department, this leads nicely into living out of your own
expectations versus others because you go back into in 2019
into a therapy that still comingback in and being allowed to be
practiced and there's, you know,still some people out there,
there were like oh, it's this, woo, that your whatever,
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they're, they're extracting because they're uncomfortable
because they don't know. So talk about that and the Ian's
that you live on yourself versusthose other kind of external
ones and then also just in your life.
But I think this just ties really nicely into that.
When I think it kind of goes back into what we had said
earlier the conversation about how to live in your truth and,
you know, to work really just without asking permission right
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and write something. I bought.
I've been saying recently, as like I'm in people pleaser
recovery, which is great. And yet the people in my life
right now that sadly the people around me are bearing, the brunt
of that had they met Me, you know, 15 years ago would have
been doing a lot more all the time.
But yeah, I mean, I think I already had had some experiences
that really allowed me to believe in these medicines, and
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we're in this psychedelic Renaissance.
And then I like to remind peoplethat it's not necessarily a
Renaissance, it has been going on in indigenous Traditions or
yes, since it is continued goingon.
So even though in the Western World, the war on drugs and
everything kind of started, Topped the scientific
understandings of how they work with mental health or they've
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continued to be used in in Traditions around the world.
So I like to remind. Yeah, well that and I think my
belief in them, coupled with thedistress that I knew that people
were under made me. Really feel like this was a time
to trust, you know, to go into this that it wasn't about me.
And what people might think about the work that I was doing,
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this is about the pain that I see in the world.
He tried to stigmatize ways thatpeople receive healing, then
we're going to leave a lot of people in pain.
So for me, it is continuing to have conversations to, you know,
debunk untruths. And you know, yes is maybe
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propaganda or to even just say therapy, you know, I mean, I
want to say 20 years ago, if youhad a therapist, you didn't talk
about it people. You know, might have thought
something big was wrong. It Took a lot of Courage for
people to say I need help and that has shifted.
And so now to say hey therapy ishelpful and you know accessing
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different states of Consciousness is helpful as
well. As long as like you said,
initially it is in a safe container and we try to Advocate
that as much as possible safety and trust and consent, you know,
just knowing that at any time Even if you come for our free
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intake and you decide this isn'tfor you, you don't have to do
anything. You know.
You could show up for your appointment that day, but feel
like you're not ready to receivethe medicine and you don't have
to so ya know, I think it's really important.
I think that whole debunking, the myths and and digging into
the truth and being willing to do the research and figure out.
If this is something that might be helpful, but being open to
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that is so important because there's just so much going on
and it like I said, it's nuancedand different people.
Respond to different things and need different kinds of help.
But I think, you know, point out, something good and really
appropriate to and true is, you know, when I was growing up,
therapists were four and this was really dangerous language
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around this, which I really, I think we're starting to finally
get rid of, but not in all places is crazy.
People, you know, got had neededtherapy or, you know, messed up
people or it's like, no, that's,you know, it's Mental Health.
Health and Trauma is trauma. And and you don't have to have
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had a trauma experience to need,mental health care, and that's
okay. And that's it.
It's all part of our health Journey.
So also just removing those sigma's and bad words.
Just dangerous words in appropriate words around.
It is so much a part of it. And this is just the next step.
I think in the process as you look at these other alternative
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therapies and and you look at what they were doing with these
things, I watched a really We interesting Brady and I watched
a really interesting documentary, I think it was on
Netflix that talked about all ofyou know what I'm talking about.
It can't remember the name of it?
Yes I can't remember the name ofeither but it's a bit different.
Yeah medicines it's like a four-part.
Yeah. Yes and it breaks it all down
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but it goes back to the history like prior to the 60s and these
spaces and places this stuff wasbeing used in very successfully
and in a very healthy way and but also feel like anything any
Thing, if you use it inappropriately or wrong or in
the wrong context can be bad. And this is no different.
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So the minute it was being seen as being used in the wrong
context and not a safe environment and not a safe
container instead of like, okay,let's adjust the container.
Did just a culture just took it away.
It's just, it's gone, it's dangerous, it's gone.
Nobody can use it. No one could safe and it was
just this extreme, you know, reaction to it.
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So it's really I think in encouraging to see it coming
back in and hopefully more and more and more States.
These treatments will be available and legal.
I mean there's some places you still can't do it.
Thankfully ketamine was never rescheduled.
It was still you know, caber therapeutic benefit but it
wasn't. And that's good to know yet for
depression until about the 90s when they started realizing
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that. Oh even people that were
receiving, the meds for surgery were feeling better mentally.
Sure. And so I think that, you know,
that's been helpful as a tool that it is available and
Initially it was just really kind of used off-label for
treatment-resistant depression, which really treatment-resistant
depression is just that maybe you have not had any beneficial
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results off of two medications. So there's a lot of people that
have treatment-resistant depression that they have tried
a couple of antidepressants and it didn't seem to help and so
that's where kind of this like big, you know, I think push for
research around ketamine started.
And then now, once we know that it is helpful for treating
Tremont resistant, depression, we're looking at it for
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addiction. We're looking at it more trauma
for anxiety, you know, for grief, I mean, I've had a lot of
people that, you know, yes, it'shappening and just the
neurobiological contents of the brain.
But it also because there is that kind of mystical
experience, a lot of people feelreally connected to their, you
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know, their understanding of a higher power.
And so people that have had lostin their life or people that
maybe You have had kind of like a spiritual emergence or
something. Are we connected to?
What feels more kind of like a purpose in the world or gives
them context for, you know, how to take what they've been
through and actually start to recreate a life for themselves
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that feels meaningful. Mmm.
Yeah. That's, that's really
interesting. It actually makes sense and I
think the thing that's so interesting to is, you talked
about if people don't respond tothese two prescriptions we as a
culture in in the western world,We'll take prescription after
prescription after prescription and not ask and just kind of
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trust blindly not ask what it's doing to our gut, not ask what
it's what this, you know, not get too concerned about side
effects but yet we won't trust athing that you talked about did
indigenous. People have been using for
thousands of years and continue to use, I mean before, you know,
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Europeans disrupted, everything that was going on with Of
Americans they were rolling along just fine, very healthy.
Using a lot of these practices in, you see that in addition, is
Nations throughout the world. So these things that are natural
and are available will get freaked out about that and it's
all about messaging and delivering, you know, so it's
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like, let me tell you what that,you know, steroid drug, or
whatever it's doing to your gut.Versus The Experience, you can
have in a safe container in space with this.
People need to be curious and take a look at that again.
Well, and we love what we're doing and I think what a lot of
people are doing right now, like, you mentioned the
container, you know, I think it's a both and it's like like,
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let's merge indigenous healing practices with what we are may
be comfortable with and the Western World.
And so when you walk into our office it looks like normal
Psychotherapy office. It's really inviting you know we
couple really Ritualistic practices that we ask our
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clients to, you know, bring in something that represents your
intention. I'm going to set up.
I'm gonna light a candle as you go into the space and then it's
coupled with they also get theirblood pressure checked and their
heart monitor read. And you know, those are kind of
these. These models that also help us
feel safe and so sure. We're not saying it has to be
all one or all the other. It's like, let's take the wisdom
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that we have, and let's merge this.
So that we can get the best results and Treat the whole
person rather than just one symptom.
I love that, I love that blend of all the best things, we know
because I think that's what we should be aiming for, in all of
our settings, you know, not our mental health settings, are
physical health settings, which I mean, they're all connected.
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But I mean, there's ways that you can go rather than just
throwing a prescription at it. Let's take a look at the whole
piece. Let's take all the best
knowledge we have from all theseplaces and bring them together
to give the best most possible. Of healthiest outcome that would
this available to us. I love the you spoke to that,
that's so important accepting, the layered aspects of ourselves
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and this is all the stuff, all the layers, all the muck all the
good stuff, all the years, all those things talked about
accepting the layered aspects. So I'm actually in a Ph.D
program right now studying depthso elegy.
Yeah. And what I love about this
theory, is it talks a lot about our shadow side so it's Looking
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at, you know, curl Young's idea of archetypal elements inside of
us and that we do always have a shadow.
I think you had said it earlier,you know, any good seeing can
also become bad. I mean, we know this is a
something like food, like we have to feed ourselves and then
food also can carry a lot of pain and, and challenge for a
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lot of us as well. So I think that, you know, to
remember like the tallest tree cast an even larger Shadow and
yet there's parts of the A that it doesn't cast The Very bare so
we do have layers to our self. I mean I think he coin curl
young corn. The word Persona really taking
it from a word that was used in theater as this kind of like
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What actors put on this mask andand we have to recognize that we
all kind of do that. It's not dysfunctional.
It actually kind of helps like you're a mom.
Sometimes you're a podcaster, sometimes you're a wife, you
know? And then who are we When we take
up all the masks and what happened and so that's I think
both my constant work because ithas to be part of being a
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therapist, I think, is not that I have it all figured out and
I'm trying to, you know, operatefrom this hierarchical
structure. It's like I'm continuously
accessing different layers of myself and trying to be in
truth, with who and what needs space inside of me.
And then, you know, encouraging that with the people that I work
with as well and yeah, you know,connecting To our inner child
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just as much as we connect to our wise woman or, you know,
having a moment to feel really angry and then also having a
moment to feel a lot of peace and and knowing that they can
all be kind of, you know, pooling at times and their can
feel like Paradox. But often the Paradox is just
that. That's how we are.
We're layered, we have many aspects to ourselves.
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Yeah, and I think, you know, we this kind of dualistic at times
Society, we live in is just Not true to who we are.
We are complex people with a lotof nuance things happening at
one time, and that's okay. And in, don't push down any of
those things, presses them, feelthem.
Look at what they're trying to tell you.
And don't treat them as good or bad or, you know, they're all
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they're all signals and messages.
And you know that we can sit in those and take them all in as
part of who we are. That would be such an
interesting field of study to gointo it always fascinated by
those kinds of things. In summary, in living out feel
finding empowerment embracing layers.
How would you say that? Affects how you feel?
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The pun intended about yourself,and then also how it affects
your relationships, you know, I think it feels really wonderful
to feel empowered and to like wejust said, give voice to these
different pieces and to recognize that we can, you know,
feel empowered through lots of different experiences.
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So there's This feels empoweringjust to use my voice and to be
talking to you and educating people.
And then sometimes we getting inbed at night feels really
empowering and so completely that.
Yeah, you just I think being in touch with what I need is the
most important thing for me. And so, you know, checking in
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with what is it that this momentreally is allowing me to notice.
And to, again, I think I'll say,you know, Multiple times
throughout this conversation to just slow down and check in with
myself, like, I'll just touch myhands to my heart and just like,
what do I need? You know, even as simple as do,
I want to drink a topo Chico, ordo?
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I need like regular water, something like that and then
really feeling confident to makethe right choice out of that
experience. But to also know there may not
ever be a right choice that it'swhatever, we can kind of really
trust in our Journey through notto continue to just put one foot
in front of the other even beingwilling to make mistakes.
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Yeah, absolutely. And I think if you can show up
that way for yourself, then it allows you to show up that way
in your relationships with otherpeople, with a full cup with
eyes wide open. You know, recognizing you said
something really important. You know what was right, 10
years ago doesn't or five minutes ago, may not be right
now, you know? And so releasing that that that
there's always, that one right thing of right, things change.
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What's right is fluid and being open to that.
You know, that idea for whereveryou are in your journey, we are
down to the rapid-fire name. Five, activities that nourish
you. Some of them might mold
together, but spending time withmy daughter and my dog, if
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you've my dog's been running around background, I like to
just go see music with my friends.
So live music with friends. Which also involves dancing
getting a good night. Sleep is really important to me.
I would say travel and nature. Okay.
Oh, I love a lot of those thingsand there's lots of live music
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available in Lubbock. That's one of the things that
people don't necessarily know here that you go walk into about
any space on Thursday through Saturday night and someone's
going to be in the corner somewhere louder than others,
some places and I've lived all over the country and it's not
that way everywhere. So It's very much part of the
culture here and something that we've really appreciated because
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we love live music to beautiful five words on how you want to
feel the next six months. Hmm.
For a while. I mean maybe it was like five
years ago was exposed to Danielle Laporte.
I don't know if you're familiar with her.
Yeah, say that core desired feelings.
So I'm working with these core desired feelings that I've been
working with for a while and okay are balanced abundant
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playful. Free and feminine.
Mmm, I love those such interesting cross points and
connections with that. I love that.
That's really cool. And I have been following some
of that stuff too. So that's really cool.
Thank you so much Lindsay. We have battled through some
technology issues today and she has hung in there with me and we
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shared some great information. You're going to want to check
out our resources page on our website because that is where
you're going to be able to learnabout more if you want more.
Formation on any of these topicswe talked about today especially
in the therapy space. Look at our resources page on
how you can learn more about those things and just all the
(47:10):
resources that Lindsay uses it, she finds helpful, we will be
promoting that on our social media, you can find us on all
the socials and embracing layerson Instagram, embracing
layers.com as our website. And then check us out on
Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Youtube, we're at everywhere
these days. So Tick-Tock we've got some
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Tick-Tock videos and not done byme.
That's from one of my 20-somethings, but thanks so
much again, Lindsay, for being with us.
I really appreciate your time and your patience as we did this
today. Yeah.
Thank you for your patience. And my, you know, I was guessing
there's like it Elder Millennialand Maya technology issues.
(47:53):
Oh my gosh. Well, you know, we could just
stick to it. Well, thank you, Melissa.
Absolutely. No, I'm so glad to have you.
Thank you for Early follower, wejust so appreciate that.
We're so thankful for that without people like you, we
wouldn't be doing what we're doing and so audience.
Again, you might want to get your notebook out and listen and
re-listen to some of the great information that Lindsay offered
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here. But if we hope that this
provided a different, you know, scope and some things for you to
think about as you think about your Wellness journey and what's
best for you and what's healthy for you.
If you have any questions, let us know you can DMS at embracing
layers on Ram, you can email us embracing layers at gmail.com.
If you have any questions or thoughts, thanks for joining us
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today and have a great week.
Hello feel podcast, audience. Welcome back to the Pod.
This week I am here with LindsayKerr.
Lindsay is someone that I came in contact through the fact that
she was one of our very first feel podcast followers on
Instagram. She is been with us from the
very beginning following, and Supporting what we post and what
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we talked about what we do and through that, I've been able to
also follow her and learn more about her.
Ironically, she lives here in Lubbock, so which is not always
the case, when you kind of go social with all of these things
and they're available to an you know around the world with all
our podcast, links and websites and other things.
So that was kind of a fun thing.And then I realized as I was
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following her in her work, in the therapy world that My
husband and, and I have researched some of the things in
areas, she works in and Bradys actually participated in some of
this stuff never met Lindsay before a bit kind of.
So it's kind of like oh my gosh,such a small world, you just
never know who you're going to run into and and who you've had
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contact with the whole six degrees of separation of think
it's shrinks down really quickly.
Lindsay's character traits that I she asked me to introduce her
by our playful empathetic and inspired Lindsay.
Welcome, so much to the field podcast.
I'm so happy to have you here. Thank you, Melissa.
I'm happy to be here. All right, so we are going to
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jump right in and I cannot wait for you all to hear what she has
to share today. I think that we're going to be
able to talk about some things that maybe you haven't heard
about in a while. Or you haven't heard about in a
way that's necessarily accurate.So, I'm going to ask you to
listen to this, and be willing to be curious and be willing to
(01:58):
rethink old. Narratives that you've been told
about some things because I think there's some really,
There's No One path to healing and self care and therapy and
being your best self. There's a lot of different paths
that you can take and Lindsay's going to be able to offer up
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some really interesting information within that that I
think if you're if I know that when we're willing to take a
look at it, we have found to be very supportive and helpful in
kind of some Non-traditional areas other.
It's becoming it's not mainstream yet, but we're at
least having conversations again.
And you all will understand whatI'm talking about.
As we get into this conversationLindsay's to start out with.
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And I think this has to probablybe very important for you
because of the line of work thatyou are in, is how to prioritize
self-care in your life and what that looks like for you.
Yeah, well, thank you for the intro and I think we will kind
of expand upon, you know what you're alluding to.
I am a mental health therapist and self-care is of the essence,
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both in my work for myself and then it's often talked about
with the people that I work with.
So I think starting with myself,I am a single mother and I
recognize that self care for me is never perfect and it's not
static. I think that making sure that I
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noticed for myself, that it isn't just this one Wine way of
being. And it's actually always
changing its changing based on my needs.
And then also as my daughter grows up and her needs.
So, giving myself the willingness to sometimes mess
up. I think is a big piece of
self-care and to recognize when I overextend and then learn, you
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know, from that moment to say like, okay this doesn't feel
good and then how can I move back into practices that really
support me? So I've been a therapist for
around 15 years. I got my And 2007, and I did
burn out. So I had a moment of time where
I left the field of psychotherapy and was only
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teaching yoga and was actually working as a barista here in
Lubbock. And I got back into the career
in 2019. And so, I think having that also
an experience where it became too much and some things happen
in my life, where I think now, Now that I have the evidence of
what that feels like, I'm reallyable to prioritize self-care
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because I don't want to. I love my work so much and I
don't want her to, you know, experience that again because
it's really important to me to be here.
So I think prioritizing is a constant conversation with
myself and then with my daughterbecause it impacts her the most
and a lot of times that is, you know, making sure that I have a
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morning where I take good care of myself.
Before I see clients, it's sometimes also recognizing how
many people I can work with withwithin a week and even though I
want to schedule that one littleslot on my calendar that is open
but all the slots don't need to be open and filled.
They actually, there needs to betime that is just open for
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openness and spaciousness. And so learning that dance and
knowing that it is always a dance that I'm kind of
oscillating with inside. Yeah, absolutely.
You too? Each had so many important
things are one as a mom. As a parent, you're constantly
having to be flexible because they seasons change.
They've got piano lessons, they got a recital, they've got a
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game, they've got a dance thing.They've got a, you know,
whatever something going on at school, whatever, it may be, or
they just need to spend some time with you.
And so, you know, being able to adjust that but not neglecting
it. Because I think so many times
mom's just, like, forget it. I'm not even to put my effort
into it, and then all of a sudden they're just fried So
just that importance and being willing to be flexible and
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recognizing it's a dance and it's going to change but staying
with it and being consistent with it because you used a great
example. I appreciate your honesty about
how the fact that you had to step away for a while and
re-examine and how important that is to be willing to do that
for yourself and to step back. And just be like, I am not at
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the capacity. I need to be to be in this space
and I think so many times were unwilling.
Willing to step back and we waittoo long and we stay in spaces
for too long and then it just grows and becomes more prominent
when it comes out in a way that you really didn't want it to
come out in and that can happen,obviously your line of work
where you're taking you're listening to other people's
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experiences and their traumas and then you've got to, you've
got to leave space because I think you talked about a person
thing to leaving space to take that all in and release it.
Not take it on yourself and I love to eat address the stepping
away and coming back and to address the leaving enough space
in your calendar. So that your capacity doesn't
become over drawn. And you're, you know, you're
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allowing yourself to be able to take this information and then
do what you need to do, take care of yourself to be the best.
You can be for your clients for yourself for your daughter.
All of those things, I think that's really important.
Yeah. But with what was the key was
there? A key thing?
Was there a time because she went back in and 20:19 the year
before a pandemic, me what? A time to be a therapist of my
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word over these last couple of years.
It was there something that kindof let you know you were ready
to go back in. Yeah, I mean I think that as a
as a yoga teacher and as a barista I still was offering
support and and then at the sametime I had an offer to work with
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somebody doing something very unique, which we do here at De
novo therapy. So I think that while I was
practicing as a clinician, whenever I was younger, I didn't
necessarily have the tools that I have now.
And so, it was after doing some work and getting back into kind
of working one-on-one with people whether or not that was
doing some coaching work or doing private yoga session, just
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recognizing that, that is a passion of mine.
And so, I also felt like whenever I had been in practice
before I didn't really have the tools that were now Available to
mental health clinicians being that, you know, we really
understood trauma a little bit better.
So in 2019, there was an opportunity presented with me to
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work in partnership with de novotherapy where we now have
treatments that weren't available to me in the, you
know, I guess I graduated in 2007 at that point, a lot of
psychotherapy was based on kind of cognitive behavioral work,
and then I started working People that had severe trauma
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and I think that at the time I didn't feel like I had the
capacity to do a lot of healing.And now we do understand trauma
a lot more and we have tools to provide a healing space and
really I think the most empowering thing is that it's
not necessarily what I provide but we know that everybody has
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an inner healing intelligence and it's just you know giving
them the tools to allow that inner healing too.
To happen. I love that term.
Inner healing intelligence, I haven't heard that before I
think that's a really important term and to understand that we
all possess that so within that coming back in this kind of goes
nicely into it confidently. Setting boundaries you talked
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about earlier about capacity andleaving space between sessions
and not feet, you know, resisting the urge to load up
but so talk and then you're alsoa mom and a daughter, you know
you know these things and makingtime for self-care so talk about
confidently setting boundaries and how that For you.
Ooh yeah. I mean I think that again just
like the prioritizing self-care that this is always something
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that I'm kind of checking in with myself around because
sometimes I have a lot of energyand capacity to take on more and
then there's some times that I feel like I need to really, you
know, spend a lot of time being alone and having more
introspection. And I think, for me, it's to
understand that like we have an image of boundaries that it's
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not a brick wall at. Least in my mind it's more of
kind of like it's like a baby gate or something but you can
move around and kind of figure out for yourself.
I mean I think that you know, one of the things that's been
helpful is to really have trustworthy people in my life
that respect boundaries. So always kind of checking in
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and slowing down for myself too.Before I say yes I'll do that is
really. Is this a true?
Yes. Or is this an overextension?
Of my time as a yoga teacher. I learned pretty quickly that I
could teach every single day of the week.
And then I'd be working every day we of the week.
But in my mind, I had thought while I teach yoga, like, I'm
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just doing yoga. Yeah.
But then I realized that even ifI taught an hour class on a
Sunday that take the, it took up, you know, four hours of the
day. And that would mean a day away
from my kids. So I have some non-negotiables
and which is that I don't work on Sundays, you know, Why I try
to make sure that her and eyes time together is set in the
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times that we can be together a few days of the week.
I won't take after 5:00 clients,different things like that.
So yeah, it's been really helpful.
Absolutely. I think we do have to have those
non-negotiables and kind of set those and be clear with those so
that we can both honor them and,and express clearly it because I
think the yoga thing would be tricky, but even as it one,
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who's doing the yoga class, you're still giving of yourself.
Even though you're doing therapeutic comforting feel good
type exercise. It's still a giving of your
energy to help others do that too.
So being able to delineate when you're doing that just when it's
just your up the focus on you and your well-being versus when
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you're sharing that and espousing that out to other
people that there is a difference there.
So I think that good and that can be tricky because if you get
real easy like this would be great for me all day like.
All right. Wait a minute.
Yeah. In the fridge, Yeah, and the
same with, you know, I think being a mental health therapist,
it's like her. I could schedule seven clients
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and a day, but I have to think about how I'm going to feel the
next day and so I have have learned, you know?
Okay, well, I may not be the type of person that can see
seventh clients in a day. And so that's his also goes
into, just not comparing myself to others.
Yeah. Because other people can do
that, which is great. And then maybe that isn't
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necessarily the same. Thing that's helpful for me,
right? Absolutely.
And we'll get into that later when we talk about expectations
because I think that's a very important thing to address
taking care of our emotional health as much as our physical
health. I am a firm believer that these
things are connected. So talk to me about your journey
with that and your knowledge about that.
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So yeah, I love this question and I do believe that they're
connected and thankfully scienceis now you know taking a stand
that route, those as well. I mean I think Think that it's
felt obvious for me in that regard.
But now to say, like, okay this is all connected through our
nervous system really. And so I mean, I think for me,
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it is it's a deeper listening and we talked a lot about like,
top-down or bottom-up. And sometimes, the message has
come bottom up, so it is throughthe body that we start to really
feel our emotions and and connecting with, you know, what
is what is that Little kind of, you know, nuanced experience
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that I'm noticing in my gut. What is that saying to me?
And then, you know, there is this top-down method as well
where you might look at, okay? Let me look at what my thoughts
are thinking and how my emotionsfeel, and then how that settles
into my body. And so, they're both happening
and it's how we decide to kind of look at them.
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I think, for me, something that you had said earlier was like,
oh look, you had the willingnessto To take a break.
I don't think it was willingness, it was almost your
body screaming at you. And that's where I think we want
to make sure we don't get to that because eventually
something will it's like what's going to get our attention?
And usually the body is going tobe the thing that gets the
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attention and so we can take care of the body so that it
doesn't have to do that but we can also take care of our
emotions so that the body doesn't have to scream at us and
it's something. We're carrying in our body at it
in a way that It's detrimental. Yes.
Yeah, it's I think it's the mostphysical.
So we're going to finally take the the due diligence to take
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care of it. But the messages could have been
coming through more subtle experiences before it has to
wake us up with an injury or feeling completely depleted or
whatever. Well, yeah, I mean and, you
know, I started this podcast to have these conversations because
I got to a breaking point. When I was when we first moved
here to Lubbock, I ended up in the ER twice.
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The first two weeks of two, three weeks of September about
things that I came out at the end of the day.
I mean, I was in the, ER, twice.So a cardiologist, you know, you
know, got my hormones checked, the whole nine yards, and it was
like, it was just came down to things.
I had not processed and moved through there, like you're
physically, okay, but you've gotthis other stuff and that's when
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my husband looked at me. He's like, it might be time to
get back into therapy because I hadn't been in therapy since my
early 30s. And, you know, Take these things
that we sometimes discover wherewe deal with and walk through as
we feel safe doing so, and our brains, just won't release or
allow us, I think to do things until we're in a safe space, you
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could speak to that, probably much better than me, but for me,
it was just like, all right, I didn't have to get here.
So and what I want to do is talkabout.
So the hopefully women that are younger or even ones that are my
age or older, they're in this space feel the freedom to like,
let's dive in. Let's have these conversations.
Processions, let's make these connect points, let's and so
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that we can live, our best freest, lives, and that carrying
all this unprocessed stuff and have some tools to do so.
So and this e 0 and this all these talking points are kind of
led to that but yeah, you know. So we both you and I had that
experience. All right, wait a minute, we
don't have to get here. We can we can do, we can do this
better and we're going to do it better moving forward.
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How can we support ourselves andother women in In
unapologetically because we don't live in a world that makes
us feel like it's safe to do so,for sure.
Yeah, I would argue Texas. Especially yeah, well, I mean, I
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think that we offer women the opportunity to live
unapologetically when we do so ourselves.
I mean, I think that like, even just having this conversation
with you. Like I am, you're modeling
living in your authentic. True.
Ruth. And that is when people will
take that away and say oh wow, you know, she really just feels
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really authentic whenever I'm around her and I think that that
is what gives people the courageto live in their truth.
Yeah. And so I mean I try to do that
as much as I can. Of course, I think part of it is
unpacking old narratives and that's what I really try in.
My work is like where did this story come in that that I was
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supposed to feel this way? And this You know, both for
myself. But that's a lot of the work
that I do with my clients, like,where did this story come from?
And it is it something we want to keep, because sometimes it
is, sometimes, it's a beautiful value system.
That feels really integrated into your whole person and then
sometimes it's something that like doesn't really fit anymore
because we've grown our culture has expanded and grown.
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And so then you get to say, Hey,you know, that doesn't really
work for me anymore. And so I think it's, you know,
being bold with things that we say Say, and even if it's
something that we've progressed saying, just, you know, kind of
being willing to apologize or whatever it is.
But it's also, you know, being creative in the way that we
dress, or really taking courageous steps into doing
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things that were excited about. But kind of feel timid about.
I mean, I could imagine startinga podcast was one thing that
you're like I want to do this. How do I do this?
You know, and then when you justsay well why not and then you
take the leap and do it. Yeah, and I think that's yeah,
you said so many and I think really important things is one
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give that giving that kind of invites other people.
And when they see you, living authentically, invites other
women in and people into feel like it's safe to do the same
with you and that that's a space.
That is a great space to occupy.And also just I think just
continuing to be curious. I mean, I think so many times we
assign truth to thoughts and narratives rather than stories
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rather than just looking at her.Thoughts and stories and being
willing to pull them apart and decide if they're true or if
they used to be true, but they're not anymore.
We just automatically assigned truth to it.
And just stopping and pausing because good or bad of the
stories and thoughts that we have.
They're going to change throughout your life and through
the different seasons. You go through.
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And so being willing to pull those apart and recognize the
difference between them. And that's, I think that's a
really important. And then having those
conversations with other people,then that frees them up.
You liked it. Oh, maybe I should do that too.
Maybe that's something I should dive into.
I mean I will tell you that starting this podcast was
probably one of the I was sitting the other day and kind
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of thinking about just kind of the fears and things that we
don't do because of the narratives and stories we hear
from our backgrounds being a woman, whatever it is.
And the podcast, I told my husband, when we decide it, came
out of a dream wall on my husband's birthday that he
wanted to do and he's doing somestuff from his dream while to
Minds. Just more public because it's
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podcast. Yeah, it was one of the first
things I did were I just went into and was just kind of free
of expectation or like, I'm just, I feel like this is
something I can offer to the world.
I feel like this is a space. I can make an impact in, so
let's just see what happens. And I'm, that's not how I
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normally operate. So, but there's something so
freed in that and then when you have those conversations other
people, then it's like, Okay. Maybe, you know, that's kind of
an example. I try to talk about that because
then hopefully, that inspires something in them will that will
give them the kind of the inspiration.
Courage, you know, push, whatever it is to get to
approach things, the same way. Yeah, I always think of this
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story. I was told, actually I was doing
a lactation training and it kindof reminds me.
I use it a lot because why we have to like, ask where these
these ideas come from. And I think it's like they the,
the story goes like, A woman's making a ham for a family around
the holidays and she cuts the ends.
Off the ham and her partner is like well why do you cut the
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ends off the ham and she's like,I don't know, my mom just did it
and she's like, okay well when your mom gets here let's ask her
why she cuts the ends off the ham.
So the mom comes why do we cut the ends up the hams?
I don't know, my mom just did, it's like, okay, well, when she
gets here, why don't we ask her why she cuts the ends of the
hand. So she gets there.
Why do we cut the ends off of him?
She was like oh my pot was just too small it wouldn't fit in so
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I just hope it brings up for himso it can fit.
So sometimes you're doing that, we're recreating these things
which really, you know, maybe weneed to stop and take a look at
it and everybody we just kind ofkeep doing it.
We don't ask questions. That's the thing.
That's so funny is how many of those things are?
We just doing with like, okay, wait a minute, let me let's stop
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and analyze that. Let's revisit news.
Is this still apple or even necessary?
Or do I need to, to change wavesand I I think it's just such
human nature that we're so habityou know faced and we don't stop
and everyone once while and do like a check in.
Yeah I love people doing that with like the top sheet like so
many people are like yes, have atop sheet.
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You know, and that that becomes this bigger story in their life
like oh I can do it differently.You know, it's empowering the
top sheet is such a bad example because I've continued to have a
top sheet because I grew up withthe top sheet.
My kids hate the top sheet therelike that.
Ended up getting kicked to the end of the bed like their whole
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lives. They don't do one.
I kept doing the top sheet into their like there was literally
like taking it off their bed andthrowing it on the floor.
I was just so like, yeah, it's another layer between you and
the comforter and they're just like this is stupid and I and I
still do it, but that's so funny.
You said, example because my kids were like yes my mother is
that. Oh my gosh, I'll write the
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importance of setting and comingback to your why and your
values. In everything you do.
So the work that we do at De novo is unique and I think I
already said but I realize that not everything is for everybody.
So I say this and then I'll kindof describe our work just
because maybe people that are, you know, listening to your
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podcast, might be interested or have had some Curiosities.
Or like I said, have maybe trieda bunch of things in aren't
necessarily getting to where they want to get in their story.
Is so first of all I say the waythat I work as a mental health
therapist is not linear and thisI think is maybe a theme
throughout my whole interview here which is that you know we
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have to be willing to get it wrong and and to stumble and to
circle around it's usually more of a spiral than it is
necessarily a straight line. Yeah and so when I came back
into being a mental health therapist in 20:19 the director
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of de novo had approached me asking me if I wanted to embark
on this opportunity with him. And what we do is offer ketamine
assisted Psychotherapy, where weuse non-ordinary States Of
Consciousness to help people with PTSD, depression and
anxiety. So ketamine is a anesthetic and
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actually is really safe. It's used often in Veterinary.
And medicine with children in. So what's nice about it is that
while it relaxes the body, we use it and really low doses.
It also is not going to be depressing the respiratory
system. So some anesthetics do that
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sure. However, when they first found
the substance or it was first synthesized and they were using
it in an estate anesthesia, there was something called an
emergence effect and we actuallywork that so it elicits a
psychedelic experience. Hmm.
And it again being really safe was popularized in the Vietnam
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War, actually has something called the Buddy drug because
combat veterans could have ketamine on them and when their
friend got injured, they could give them the injection and it
was enough that they could actually get off the battlefield
Battlefield and get back to actually have surgery.
So, oh wow. So that's kind of cool.
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So the way we use it is both with Ivy.
So people can come in and get about a 40-minute Ivy, and in my
office it's kind of mean assisted Psychotherapy.
So the way that we use it is an intramuscular injection, we work
with practitioners. So our office is also a blend of
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medical and therapeutic modalities.
We have, I think when I initially started, With Ben, it
was me and him, and a doctor in the, in 2019.
And now we have about five to six therapists that work with
us, as well as multiple medical team members.
So we have a nurse practitioner,a few paramedics that come in,
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and do the medicine work also. And okay, so just to give you
kind of an idea of what the sessions look like with me.
It's a two-hour session. I usually like to have some
rapport with my clients because it is You know, it's different
people that have never had anything like this is we want to
make sure that they're building trust with me and trust with the
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medicine and trust with our whole staff here.
And so initially they'll come inafter doing it in take with our
medical side of the facility will have about a 30 minute
conversation about what we're doing.
It's an intention setting space to look at you know if we are
addressing certain traumas or there is even maybe just this
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underlying Feeling of self-doubtor something that we're really
trying to use the medicine for Imean, I think we share the
intention that they just want tofeel better.
That's kind of a broad stroke ofan intention.
Sure. And it kind of goes with the old
understanding of how these substances work, which is set
and setting, so the mindset and that's what we're trying to get.
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The intention around is that mindset is for healing and then
we as a facility share that mindset and then the setting
it's a really safe. So they'll after we spend about
30 minutes kind of talking aboutthe intention then they'll
receive the injection from our medical staff and then it's a
20-minute Half-Life. So usually there's a second dose
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given in about a 40-minute art of being in this.
Not an ordinary State of Consciousness.
I often say ketamine is kind of like a dream so it's almost like
yeah, I'm holding space for a dream state and sometimes people
will talk through it. Sometimes people will stay
pretty quiet and Then afterwardswe have you know another 45
minutes to kind of dive into content that came up throughout
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the experience, to link it back to their intention.
I use the word inner healing intelligence earlier and the way
that I like to think about it isour bodies heal.
And we know that because we can see a cut and, you know, you'll
have a cut and then weeks later it will, but it is important to
not kind of like pick the scab or anything like that.
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Sure. Some with a broken bone that You
can break a bone and then maybe it gets set in the cast.
Well, the cast isn't what's doing the healing, the cast is
giving the body, the containment, so the body can do
the healing and so same with, you know, the therapy that we're
offering as well as the not ordinary State of Consciousness.
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It's not doing the healing but it is like the cast so that you
can actually get into these deeper layers to process the
trauma. Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely. And I can tell you from you, you
know, kind of seeing this be done that.
There's a lot of power in it, but it also I think and this is
true and anything going, your, you got to go into it with a
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mindset of trust and safety, or it's just going to be, you're
not going to get out of the experience, I think and I think
that's true for anything therapeutic.
Quite honestly, they going to respond spaces, where it feels
like it's safe to respond, but Ithink it's a really important
therapy. That's Out there an alternative.
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And I'm so glad you shared aboutit and just also just the safety
department, this leads nicely into living out of your own
expectations versus others because you go back into in 2019
into a therapy that still comingback in and being allowed to be
practiced and there's, you know,still some people out there,
there were like oh, it's this, woo, that your whatever,
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they're, they're extracting because they're uncomfortable
because they don't know. So talk about that and the Ian's
that you live on yourself versusthose other kind of external
ones and then also just in your life.
But I think this just ties really nicely into that.
When I think it kind of goes back into what we had said
earlier the conversation about how to live in your truth and,
you know, to work really just without asking permission right
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and write something. I bought.
I've been saying recently, as like I'm in people pleaser
recovery, which is great. And yet the people in my life
right now that sadly the people around me are bearing, the brunt
of that had they met Me, you know, 15 years ago would have
been doing a lot more all the time.
But yeah, I mean, I think I already had had some experiences
that really allowed me to believe in these medicines, and
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we're in this psychedelic Renaissance.
And then I like to remind peoplethat it's not necessarily a
Renaissance, it has been going on in indigenous Traditions or
yes, since it is continued goingon.
So even though in the Western World, the war on drugs and
everything kind of started, Topped the scientific
understandings of how they work with mental health or they've
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continued to be used in in Traditions around the world.
So I like to remind. Yeah, well that and I think my
belief in them, coupled with thedistress that I knew that people
were under made me. Really feel like this was a time
to trust, you know, to go into this that it wasn't about me.
And what people might think about the work that I was doing,
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this is about the pain that I see in the world.
He tried to stigmatize ways thatpeople receive healing, then
we're going to leave a lot of people in pain.
So for me, it is continuing to have conversations to, you know,
debunk untruths. And you know, yes is maybe
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propaganda or to even just say therapy, you know, I mean, I
want to say 20 years ago, if youhad a therapist, you didn't talk
about it people. You know, might have thought
something big was wrong. It Took a lot of Courage for
people to say I need help and that has shifted.
And so now to say hey therapy ishelpful and you know accessing
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different states of Consciousness is helpful as
well. As long as like you said,
initially it is in a safe container and we try to Advocate
that as much as possible safety and trust and consent, you know,
just knowing that at any time Even if you come for our free
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intake and you decide this isn'tfor you, you don't have to do
anything. You know.
You could show up for your appointment that day, but feel
like you're not ready to receivethe medicine and you don't have
to so ya know, I think it's really important.
I think that whole debunking, the myths and and digging into
the truth and being willing to do the research and figure out.
If this is something that might be helpful, but being open to
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that is so important because there's just so much going on
and it like I said, it's nuancedand different people.
Respond to different things and need different kinds of help.
But I think, you know, point out, something good and really
appropriate to and true is, you know, when I was growing up,
therapists were four and this was really dangerous language
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around this, which I really, I think we're starting to finally
get rid of, but not in all places is crazy.
People, you know, got had neededtherapy or, you know, messed up
people or it's like, no, that's,you know, it's Mental Health.
Health and Trauma is trauma. And and you don't have to have
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had a trauma experience to need,mental health care, and that's
okay. And that's it.
It's all part of our health Journey.
So also just removing those sigma's and bad words.
Just dangerous words in appropriate words around.
It is so much a part of it. And this is just the next step.
I think in the process as you look at these other alternative
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therapies and and you look at what they were doing with these
things, I watched a really We interesting Brady and I watched
a really interesting documentary, I think it was on
Netflix that talked about all ofyou know what I'm talking about.
It can't remember the name of it?
Yes I can't remember the name ofeither but it's a bit different.
Yeah medicines it's like a four-part.
Yeah. Yes and it breaks it all down
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but it goes back to the history like prior to the 60s and these
spaces and places this stuff wasbeing used in very successfully
and in a very healthy way and but also feel like anything any
Thing, if you use it inappropriately or wrong or in
the wrong context can be bad. And this is no different.
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So the minute it was being seen as being used in the wrong
context and not a safe environment and not a safe
container instead of like, okay,let's adjust the container.
Did just a culture just took it away.
It's just, it's gone, it's dangerous, it's gone.
Nobody can use it. No one could safe and it was
just this extreme, you know, reaction to it.
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So it's really I think in encouraging to see it coming
back in and hopefully more and more and more States.
These treatments will be available and legal.
I mean there's some places you still can't do it.
Thankfully ketamine was never rescheduled.
It was still you know, caber therapeutic benefit but it
wasn't. And that's good to know yet for
depression until about the 90s when they started realizing
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that. Oh even people that were
receiving, the meds for surgery were feeling better mentally.
Sure. And so I think that, you know,
that's been helpful as a tool that it is available and
Initially it was just really kind of used off-label for
treatment-resistant depression, which really treatment-resistant
depression is just that maybe you have not had any beneficial
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results off of two medications. So there's a lot of people that
have treatment-resistant depression that they have tried
a couple of antidepressants and it didn't seem to help and so
that's where kind of this like big, you know, I think push for
research around ketamine started.
And then now, once we know that it is helpful for treating
Tremont resistant, depression, we're looking at it for
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addiction. We're looking at it more trauma
for anxiety, you know, for grief, I mean, I've had a lot of
people that, you know, yes, it'shappening and just the
neurobiological contents of the brain.
But it also because there is that kind of mystical
experience, a lot of people feelreally connected to their, you
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know, their understanding of a higher power.
And so people that have had lostin their life or people that
maybe You have had kind of like a spiritual emergence or
something. Are we connected to?
What feels more kind of like a purpose in the world or gives
them context for, you know, how to take what they've been
through and actually start to recreate a life for themselves
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that feels meaningful. Mmm.
Yeah. That's, that's really
interesting. It actually makes sense and I
think the thing that's so interesting to is, you talked
about if people don't respond tothese two prescriptions we as a
culture in in the western world,We'll take prescription after
prescription after prescription and not ask and just kind of
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trust blindly not ask what it's doing to our gut, not ask what
it's what this, you know, not get too concerned about side
effects but yet we won't trust athing that you talked about did
indigenous. People have been using for
thousands of years and continue to use, I mean before, you know,
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Europeans disrupted, everything that was going on with Of
Americans they were rolling along just fine, very healthy.
Using a lot of these practices in, you see that in addition, is
Nations throughout the world. So these things that are natural
and are available will get freaked out about that and it's
all about messaging and delivering, you know, so it's
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like, let me tell you what that,you know, steroid drug, or
whatever it's doing to your gut.Versus The Experience, you can
have in a safe container in space with this.
People need to be curious and take a look at that again.
Well, and we love what we're doing and I think what a lot of
people are doing right now, like, you mentioned the
container, you know, I think it's a both and it's like like,
(38:41):
let's merge indigenous healing practices with what we are may
be comfortable with and the Western World.
And so when you walk into our office it looks like normal
Psychotherapy office. It's really inviting you know we
couple really Ritualistic practices that we ask our
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clients to, you know, bring in something that represents your
intention. I'm going to set up.
I'm gonna light a candle as you go into the space and then it's
coupled with they also get theirblood pressure checked and their
heart monitor read. And you know, those are kind of
these. These models that also help us
feel safe and so sure. We're not saying it has to be
all one or all the other. It's like, let's take the wisdom
(39:25):
that we have, and let's merge this.
So that we can get the best results and Treat the whole
person rather than just one symptom.
I love that, I love that blend of all the best things, we know
because I think that's what we should be aiming for, in all of
our settings, you know, not our mental health settings, are
physical health settings, which I mean, they're all connected.
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But I mean, there's ways that you can go rather than just
throwing a prescription at it. Let's take a look at the whole
piece. Let's take all the best
knowledge we have from all theseplaces and bring them together
to give the best most possible. Of healthiest outcome that would
this available to us. I love the you spoke to that,
that's so important accepting, the layered aspects of ourselves
(40:07):
and this is all the stuff, all the layers, all the muck all the
good stuff, all the years, all those things talked about
accepting the layered aspects. So I'm actually in a Ph.D
program right now studying depthso elegy.
Yeah. And what I love about this
theory, is it talks a lot about our shadow side so it's Looking
(40:29):
at, you know, curl Young's idea of archetypal elements inside of
us and that we do always have a shadow.
I think you had said it earlier,you know, any good seeing can
also become bad. I mean, we know this is a
something like food, like we have to feed ourselves and then
food also can carry a lot of pain and, and challenge for a
(40:51):
lot of us as well. So I think that, you know, to
remember like the tallest tree cast an even larger Shadow and
yet there's parts of the A that it doesn't cast The Very bare so
we do have layers to our self. I mean I think he coin curl
young corn. The word Persona really taking
it from a word that was used in theater as this kind of like
(41:14):
What actors put on this mask andand we have to recognize that we
all kind of do that. It's not dysfunctional.
It actually kind of helps like you're a mom.
Sometimes you're a podcaster, sometimes you're a wife, you
know? And then who are we When we take
up all the masks and what happened and so that's I think
both my constant work because ithas to be part of being a
(41:38):
therapist, I think, is not that I have it all figured out and
I'm trying to, you know, operatefrom this hierarchical
structure. It's like I'm continuously
accessing different layers of myself and trying to be in
truth, with who and what needs space inside of me.
And then, you know, encouraging that with the people that I work
with as well and yeah, you know,connecting To our inner child
(42:00):
just as much as we connect to our wise woman or, you know,
having a moment to feel really angry and then also having a
moment to feel a lot of peace and and knowing that they can
all be kind of, you know, pooling at times and their can
feel like Paradox. But often the Paradox is just
that. That's how we are.
We're layered, we have many aspects to ourselves.
(42:24):
Yeah, and I think, you know, we this kind of dualistic at times
Society, we live in is just Not true to who we are.
We are complex people with a lotof nuance things happening at
one time, and that's okay. And in, don't push down any of
those things, presses them, feelthem.
Look at what they're trying to tell you.
And don't treat them as good or bad or, you know, they're all
(42:46):
they're all signals and messages.
And you know that we can sit in those and take them all in as
part of who we are. That would be such an
interesting field of study to gointo it always fascinated by
those kinds of things. In summary, in living out feel
finding empowerment embracing layers.
How would you say that? Affects how you feel?
(43:08):
The pun intended about yourself,and then also how it affects
your relationships, you know, I think it feels really wonderful
to feel empowered and to like wejust said, give voice to these
different pieces and to recognize that we can, you know,
feel empowered through lots of different experiences.
(43:28):
So there's This feels empoweringjust to use my voice and to be
talking to you and educating people.
And then sometimes we getting inbed at night feels really
empowering and so completely that.
Yeah, you just I think being in touch with what I need is the
most important thing for me. And so, you know, checking in
(43:51):
with what is it that this momentreally is allowing me to notice.
And to, again, I think I'll say,you know, Multiple times
throughout this conversation to just slow down and check in with
myself, like, I'll just touch myhands to my heart and just like,
what do I need? You know, even as simple as do,
I want to drink a topo Chico, ordo?
(44:13):
I need like regular water, something like that and then
really feeling confident to makethe right choice out of that
experience. But to also know there may not
ever be a right choice that it'swhatever, we can kind of really
trust in our Journey through notto continue to just put one foot
in front of the other even beingwilling to make mistakes.
(44:37):
Yeah, absolutely. And I think if you can show up
that way for yourself, then it allows you to show up that way
in your relationships with otherpeople, with a full cup with
eyes wide open. You know, recognizing you said
something really important. You know what was right, 10
years ago doesn't or five minutes ago, may not be right
now, you know? And so releasing that that that
there's always, that one right thing of right, things change.
(44:59):
What's right is fluid and being open to that.
You know, that idea for whereveryou are in your journey, we are
down to the rapid-fire name. Five, activities that nourish
you. Some of them might mold
together, but spending time withmy daughter and my dog, if
(45:20):
you've my dog's been running around background, I like to
just go see music with my friends.
So live music with friends. Which also involves dancing
getting a good night. Sleep is really important to me.
I would say travel and nature. Okay.
Oh, I love a lot of those thingsand there's lots of live music
(45:41):
available in Lubbock. That's one of the things that
people don't necessarily know here that you go walk into about
any space on Thursday through Saturday night and someone's
going to be in the corner somewhere louder than others,
some places and I've lived all over the country and it's not
that way everywhere. So It's very much part of the
culture here and something that we've really appreciated because
(46:03):
we love live music to beautiful five words on how you want to
feel the next six months. Hmm.
For a while. I mean maybe it was like five
years ago was exposed to Danielle Laporte.
I don't know if you're familiar with her.
Yeah, say that core desired feelings.
So I'm working with these core desired feelings that I've been
working with for a while and okay are balanced abundant
(46:27):
playful. Free and feminine.
Mmm, I love those such interesting cross points and
connections with that. I love that.
That's really cool. And I have been following some
of that stuff too. So that's really cool.
Thank you so much Lindsay. We have battled through some
technology issues today and she has hung in there with me and we
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shared some great information. You're going to want to check
out our resources page on our website because that is where
you're going to be able to learnabout more if you want more.
Formation on any of these topicswe talked about today especially
in the therapy space. Look at our resources page on
how you can learn more about those things and just all the
(47:10):
resources that Lindsay uses it, she finds helpful, we will be
promoting that on our social media, you can find us on all
the socials and embracing layerson Instagram, embracing
layers.com as our website. And then check us out on
Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Youtube, we're at everywhere
these days. So Tick-Tock we've got some
(47:32):
Tick-Tock videos and not done byme.
That's from one of my 20-somethings, but thanks so
much again, Lindsay, for being with us.
I really appreciate your time and your patience as we did this
today. Yeah.
Thank you for your patience. And my, you know, I was guessing
there's like it Elder Millennialand Maya technology issues.
(47:53):
Oh my gosh. Well, you know, we could just
stick to it. Well, thank you, Melissa.
Absolutely. No, I'm so glad to have you.
Thank you for Early follower, wejust so appreciate that.
We're so thankful for that without people like you, we
wouldn't be doing what we're doing and so audience.
Again, you might want to get your notebook out and listen and
re-listen to some of the great information that Lindsay offered
(48:15):
here. But if we hope that this
provided a different, you know, scope and some things for you to
think about as you think about your Wellness journey and what's
best for you and what's healthy for you.
If you have any questions, let us know you can DMS at embracing
layers on Ram, you can email us embracing layers at gmail.com.
If you have any questions or thoughts, thanks for joining us
(48:35):
today and have a great week.
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