November 5, 2025 • 39 mins
What if your favorite fandom didn’t just consume your life—it gave you one to build? We sit down with author Kaenyn King to trace the wild path from running a fan account to publishing an MM romance debut, Teach Me K-pop. The conversation is equal parts craft clinic, fandom love letter, and behind-the-scenes tour of indie publishing, told with the kind of candor that only comes from living it in public.
We start with origins: how posting twice a day on Mulvaney Media turned into friendships, industry contacts, and a supportive creative circle. Kaenyn shares the spark that changed everything—a fully formed story idea that hit while driving, leading to a twenty-two-page outline and a commitment to write through health setbacks. We talk about the mental game of author life: why some writers read less to protect their voice, how fanfic skills translate to novels, and what it feels like to hand your heart to an editor who can shape chaos into clarity.
Then we zoom into the world of K-pop and why it works so well on the page. Parasocial pull, stage personas versus offstage goofs, and the cultural rhythms of shows like Kingdom give texture to character and conflict. You do not have to be a stan to enjoy the book, and that is deliberate—Kaenyn builds gentle on-ramps so newcomers can follow the romance without prior knowledge. We also unpack indie publishing choices: picking the right editor and cover designer, navigating Kindle Unlimited versus selling direct, and growing sustainably with newsletters and special boxes without letting perfectionism stall the launch.
If you love stories about turning obsession into art, or you are curious how a secret-celebrity romance can welcome readers who know nothing about K-pop, you will feel right at home here. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs a creative nudge, and leave a quick review—your support helps us bring more voices from fandom to bookshelf.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Oh, what's her hot take on Helen Keller?
(00:01):
You'll never know, bitches.
You're never gonna know.
Can't cancel me.
SPEAKER_02 (00:17):
Okay.
Welcome to a very specialepisode of the Pharaoh Phantoms
Podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (00:25):
This is gonna go off the rails.
SPEAKER_02 (00:28):
It is already this is the intro.
Yeah, this is the intro.
We're we're already batten athousand.
I'm only James, MMO romanceauthor and owner of the Burned
Out Muse, which is themothership for this disaster
that is the Pharaoh PhantomsPodcast.
SPEAKER_00 (00:43):
Welcome back.
We appreciate you.
SPEAKER_02 (00:45):
And we are interviewing Kanan King today,
another author who also happensto run my fan account, which
sounds so weird.
And I am here with Shannon, whois, as you know, a PA for just
me.
She's very exclusive.
SPEAKER_00 (01:07):
Very exclusive.
She only works with me.
I mean, you could hire me if youwant.
SPEAKER_02 (01:11):
It's nothing big enough for anybody else to hire
you.
SPEAKER_00 (01:16):
I'm super busy.
If anybody tries to takeShannon, I'm gonna find them.
Check them wait times in theshop, baby.
You don't want me.
SPEAKER_02 (01:26):
Okay, and we are here with Kanan.
And she wrote a book calledTeach Me K-pop.
I did.
And we are gonna be talkingtoday about her journey from fan
to author.
Yes, which is a great.
Okay, so I have to ask becauseI've never asked you this
before.
Okay.
Why did you start MulvaneyMedia?
(01:48):
Like what was the impetus thatmade you decide that you were
gonna start a whole fan account?
You just appeared one day, youjust materialized out of nowhere
and started gaining way morefollowers than me.
SPEAKER_00 (01:59):
You're really good.
You really should run, youreally should run her official
one.
No, I'm just kidding, just init.
Oh my god.
Don't come for my job.
SPEAKER_02 (02:09):
They actually work well together.
SPEAKER_01 (02:11):
So I am not one of those people that knows how to
be a casual fan of anything.
I'm of the let this consume mysoul variety.
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
The too much gene.
We have it too.
SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
So I read the books at the suggestion of a friend of
mine who is also very closelytied to my K-pop journey.
And I was like, oh my god, Ilove these guys so much.
And I read them and reread themand reread them, and I have to
do something with this.
I've always been creative.
I like to write, I like totwiddle around.
(02:42):
I'm just dangerous enough withknowing how to do some editing
things and stuff that I feellike I pull off some stuff.
And I was just like, I'm gonnado this.
I'm gonna put it out there andsee what happens, and like maybe
I'll get 30 or 40 people thatalso like the books, and we'll
see what happens.
I knew some of my friends from alittle online book club would
(03:03):
probably follow me, and that wasgreat.
If it was just us, that wasgonna be fine.
Yeah.
Um, and what's really funny is Iput the first post out there and
I could not decide if I shouldtag Only or not.
I put the post up, hit send, andI ran into a mammogram
appointment.
SPEAKER_02 (03:24):
I love, I like to hit and run too.
Hit and run.
SPEAKER_00 (03:28):
I sometimes I send real hot takes through email,
and then I'm like, I'm not gonnalook at what they say back.
If I do something risky, I'lldelete the app off my phone and
just like okay, I need touchgrass.
SPEAKER_01 (03:38):
So I came and then I came out with the appointment,
and she had already been like,oh my gosh, what is this?
And we started texting, talkingthat day, DMing, and we talked
all through my trip to Cole'sand we covered all just so much
ground in that firstconversation, even of oh hey, we
actually have a lot in commonand similarities and fun stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (04:08):
You wrote them so well that it actually kind of
spooked me a little bit becauseI was like, she could literally
just slide into my place and Idon't think anybody would even
notice.
If we read that, yeah, no, I'myour girl.
You know nobody loves it.
SPEAKER_00 (04:24):
If something happens to me and I still need to get a
paycheck, I will slide you in.
I've got plenty of pictures ofher.
We'll AI your face, whatever wegotta do.
SPEAKER_02 (04:33):
But yeah, at last count, Mulvaney Media has 4,309
followers.
And you've had that account,what, a year and a half?
Next February will be fouryears.
SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
What?
Four years.
So you're from jumps.
So you are it hasn't really beenthat long.
SPEAKER_01 (04:54):
I came in, I read the all of them up until Maniac.
I came in like a month beforeManiac came out.
We all know I don't have threeor four years, something like
that.
But it's been a while, andtherefore the first two solid
years, I was doing two posts aday.
Oh, you were pranking that stuffout.
(05:15):
Um the afternoon goofy post, andI made one of the posts from
your kitchen table, which is oneof my favorite stories.
Yeah, she came to visit ourconversation.
SPEAKER_02 (05:26):
I was like, hold on, it's time for my afternoon post.
So funny is so many people werelike, You let a random stranger
come to your house who created afan account for your books.
And I was like, Duh, yeah,wouldn't you?
You died in the movie.
We had like moved on from justlike we were solid friends by
(05:49):
then.
She came to see me at the househere.
Why don't you tell me?
I I'm almost positive I did.
SPEAKER_00 (05:55):
She was here for like seven hours one day.
She didn't tell me.
I actually wasn't invited.
Hey listeners, I wasn't invitedto this party.
I talked to Mulvaney Media too.
So should I just leave theinterview since you guys are
having parties without me?
I'm only an hour away.
Would you guys would you eat?
She wouldn't show up.
Oh, you guys had little treats.
(06:15):
You have a little chit-chat,huh?
Did you have a couple laughs?
We spent the table.
I've got kids.
SPEAKER_02 (06:24):
Was there was only one at the time, right?
Jasper wasn't born yet, was he?
It was just Kane.
SPEAKER_01 (06:29):
Yeah, Kane was little.
This week is like my K-popfandom anniversary week.
So the fact that we're talkingabout this and that visit to
your house while I was drivingback and forth was a very time
of discovery for me.
And I just had just gotten intoK-pop, and that's all I listened
to driving down these crazy backroads of North Carolina and like
(06:52):
having this.
Okay, so who got you into K-pop?
Yeah, how did you start yourjourney there?
Um, that's a lot of factors herebecause I knew from talking to
Aunley that she was super intoit, and I had a vague awareness
of it.
But I read a book about a K-popstar.
That was what really piqued myinterest about it, and that's
(07:13):
how I took the back door intolearning about the group that I
am a big fan of, and then spreadout.
What group is that?
I'm an army.
No shade, I'm a stay.
SPEAKER_02 (07:25):
I've got my army guys over there.
I was just talking about my BTSarmy over here.
Oh, did you get those?
That makes me so happy.
SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
I missed three of them.
I'm not bitter.
Hardcore, but I also love straykids, part of your influence.
SPEAKER_02 (07:37):
Stray kids is the gateway to ATs, and ATs is the
gateway to stray kids, andyou'll never convince me.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
I think that's the that I had talked about earlier
is a hardcore stay.
So I keep up on them through heras well.
SPEAKER_02 (07:49):
Okay, now I might be getting this wrong, but you're
friends with Bedhead and BL.
Yes.
Okay.
This is what a small world weare in.
Okay.
So you know I love my BLs.
SPEAKER_01 (08:01):
And I have tried some because of you and her.
SPEAKER_02 (08:04):
Yeah.
So on TikTok, there's a veryselect group of pretty
well-known BL reactors.
One of them is Bedhead and BL,another one is BL down under.
They're all friends with eachother.
I didn't know this, but theyread my books and they did a
whole live about it one night.
I messaged Bedhead and BL and Iwas like, thank you guys for
(08:25):
talking about the books.
Then her and I got to talkingbecause she was basically
sending me messages, DMing me asshe read the books.
She was the one on the call thathadn't read the books yet.
I don't know why I agreed to lether basically send me her in the
moment thoughts as she read, butit was some of the funniest
(08:48):
shit.
Because she would be so mad, shewould just be like ranting at me
for like four minutes.
Then out of nowhere, I find outthat you and her are actual
friends.
And I was like, that is socrazy.
Because I found them through BL,they found me completely
independently through justreading MM romance, and then you
(09:10):
somehow also know them.
Her fandom.
This is a small community, butsomehow is it, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (09:19):
She was very kind when my book came out and said
lots of nice things about it toher followers.
So I'm very grateful for that aswell.
SPEAKER_02 (09:28):
And when did you decide to write Teach Me K-pop?
SPEAKER_00 (09:32):
Did you always like to write forever?
SPEAKER_01 (09:34):
And I did I did the whole fanfic thing back in the
day.
And I guess I felt too like evenon Mulvainy Media that a lot of
what I wrote there is basicallyshort-form fanfic, like one
shot, really whatever.
And it just worked out nicelythat Only was a fan of that.
SPEAKER_00 (09:51):
What's your original fanfic?
Your original, you don't tell mewhich one it is, but what was
your fandom?
SPEAKER_01 (09:56):
I will not admit to what it was, but my original
fandom was Glee.
How much more embarrassing canthat be?
Was it Jeffrey Dahmer?
Late 90s boy band.
That's all you get out of me.
Okay.
You can talk about this off therecord.
Real people.
(10:16):
Just an RPF person.
SPEAKER_02 (10:19):
Listen, I'm Insung fanfic enthusiast, and I will
not apologize for it.
I am obsessed with that.
SPEAKER_00 (10:26):
I think it's fun, guys, and I think everyone
should chill out.
SPEAKER_02 (10:29):
There are people who have done entire dissertations
on why it's not creepy to readfanfiction about real people
because you're basically puttingthose people in the role of
somebody else.
SPEAKER_01 (10:42):
Like you're using them as actors in your head.
SPEAKER_02 (10:50):
Right.
And people do that, and writersdo that every day.
You can go to my Pinterest pageand see that like I have
character inspo.
Everybody does.
It's Pinterest was based on it.
I think it's completely normalto just kind of like throw
somebody you know in that role.
So if you were into K-pop andyou were into boy bands, what
finally just made you decide tolike write it?
(11:13):
Like as yourself.
SPEAKER_01 (11:14):
So I like I said, I I'd always written, but I had
always wanted to write a book,but that always seemed like the
big scary thing.
Because I was like, I was aone-shot writer.
Like I wrote things that werelike small and neat and compact,
and I'd never thought that Iwould ever actually commit to
writing a book.
But this was like right aroundthat same time that I had come
(11:34):
to see you, and all the stuff isin my head.
And one day I was out drivingand I got an idea that literally
dropped into my head, fullyformed.
I knew the characters, I knewtheir whole story, and I freaked
out so hard.
I pulled into the Costco parkinglot and called my bestie that I
(11:56):
have referred to a couple timesalready, my stay friend, and I
cried on the phone because I wasso overwhelmed by the idea that
I that this had just happened.
And I'm like, what do I do withthis?
And she was like, I think it is.
So I went home and I banged outa 22-page outline that had
(12:19):
everything in there.
And I was like, Oh my god, oh mygod.
Like it's all here.
I have to do this.
And I started twiddling on it alittle bit.
I'm also not an outliner, likeme either.
SPEAKER_02 (12:31):
I'm a pantser all the way.
SPEAKER_01 (12:32):
As anybody who's read my plot holes knows, but I
can't pants.
I can't pants.
I have to know that I can finisha whole thing from start to
finish, but I'd never done likethat level of this chapter, this
chapter, this chapter.
And I started twiddling aroundon it, and I'm like, I might be
onto something here.
But like I got hung up because Ihad some weird health things
going on, and that really put adamper on my progress.
(12:54):
But it also made me want to doit more.
I remember having thatconversation with you.
I've started this thing and I'mthinking about doing it.
I had to take a step back fromMulvaney Media too, because I
just couldn't handle life andbeing creative.
unknown (13:09):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:09):
So we had that conversation, and then from then
on, like, I I guess I was allI'm in it now.
I'm gonna do it.
And then I'd come ask you dumbquestions and thank you for all
the help that you gave me.
And then I was like, okay, Ihave a book.
Now, what do I do now?
SPEAKER_00 (13:25):
Yeah, and it's like a baby, right?
It's yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
We were just talking about that in the last a lot of
people didn't know.
SPEAKER_00 (13:31):
So it's such a vulnerable, it's such a
vulnerable thing to do to writesomething creative.
I'm not a creative.
You're welcome, guys, becausethat what what I would write
would be sick.
It would be so sick.
It canceled immediately.
Canceled.
You would hate it.
Anyway, I truly believe thatthat's about how Helen Keller
was a faker and a Nazi.
(13:53):
Anyway, let's not get off track.
We'll talk about it next week.
The fandom of Helen Keller andher haters.
If she has zero, I'm dead.
We were talking about how it'ssuch a vulnerable thing to do,
and I know that as people thatconsume a lot of art, then
switching to do it yourself.
Did you have like a newappreciation when you read now,
(14:15):
or does it put a different lighton it?
SPEAKER_01 (14:18):
I guess I feel and this is terrible because I've
always been a reader.
I think I read less now thanI've ever read in my life.
Absolutely.
Nina never reads.
SPEAKER_02 (14:33):
That's the only thing I read.
I read fanfic because one, I canmicrodose it.
Right, exactly.
Like I can just read smalllittle bits of it.
But two, it doesn't bleed intomy own writing.
So I don't get it too in myhead.
When I read other people'swriting, especially in this
genre, I'm always like, oh, theydid it better than me.
(14:54):
Oh, that phrase was so good.
I could never compete with that.
And I just get too in my ownhead about it.
And I just so I just don't writewhen I start to get too bogged
down about like the details.
But oh my god, I will tell youthis.
I don't know.
I don't know if you read my poston Patreon about the tea
(15:14):
debacle.
Of course I did.
I did not tell Shannon this.
Huh.
So, you know, I've had thismassive head cold, this like
sinus thing happening for likeover a week now, and I've just
been getting these majorheadaches.
And so Friday night, I was like,oh, I'm gonna go to bed early.
I'm gonna take something, andinstead, I ended up taking, I
(15:35):
have like these stress easeteas, they're called, and I took
one called tension tamer, whichwas Ashwagon and Honeybush, and
then the other one I took wascalled Calm.
No, that's calm is theAshwagonda.
Uh, the Tension Tamer one isValerian and Mint, I think, but
(15:55):
I mixed the two together and Idrank them, and it was about
8:30 at night, and I was like,I'm gonna knock myself out, be
out by nine, so I can wake up atfive or six and start working.
The girls come in.
Hey, we want to go downtown.
Can you listen for the kids from11 to 1?
(16:16):
Sure.
Okay, I guess.
That's fine.
I'll just work to stay awake.
I bang out the epilogue forRanger.
I throw it up on Patreon.
The girls, thank God, come homeat 12:40.
I am unconscious.
I wake up at noon the next day.
(16:37):
That's how hard this fucking teahit me.
Now, mind you, I had also beenmainlining Dayquil and NyQuil.
You should try vodka.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:44):
Have you heard this new thing?
It's called Vodka.
It's called booze.
I'm a fan.
SPEAKER_02 (16:48):
I wake up to a message from Molly that says,
Were you high when you wrotethis?
I got so mad, I was like, thefuck?
What are you talking about?
And then first off, I had ameltdown.
I had a meltdown.
I was like just texting her andshe's like, I'm on the phone
(17:10):
with my dad.
I'll call you in a minute.
Stop texting me.
Because I'm like, do I need torewrite the whole thing?
Is it that bad?
And then I went and read it.
And my god.
First off, the waxing poetic wasoff the charts.
Like, my like it w it wasridiculous.
Two, the fragments, the sentencefragments, they were everywhere.
It was like I started a thoughtor finished a thought, but
(17:30):
didn't get to the other side ofthe sentence.
And then I literally had a wholeparagraph about granola.
Which valid.
Like honestly.
And everybody was like, oh, Iloved it.
It was so sweet.
It was so romantic.
Please don't change a word ofit.
And I'm looking at it, andMolly's looking at it.
She's like, what happened here?
She's like, you don't write likethis.
(17:52):
That's how nice your readersare, though.
They're like, we love it.
I even confessed all of this onPatreon.
And they were all just like,what?
I thought it was great.
And I didn't know if I shouldfeel good or bad about that.
And I was like, I was like, Ithought it was true, like, not
great.
And they thought it was great.
So which of us is right?
(18:12):
So I let Molly decide as myeditor.
She has to be.
Like, this is where the ScorpioVirgo energy is perfection
because I'm like, all the ideaperson, and she's all the make
it happen person.
Like she she's actually my boss.
She's so type A.
It's crazy.
(18:33):
She has a spreadsheet that givesme anxiety.
She'll send it to me, and I'mjust like, oh no, nope.
And I'll just explain.
SPEAKER_00 (18:40):
So she sends, I know she just send me the paragraph,
Molly.
She's a birth message.
I'm like, what's happening,Molly?
You're giving me anxiety.
What did I forget?
SPEAKER_02 (18:48):
Paragraph text before I write and she just
knocks those little ding dingding-ding ding ding ding ding.
Too much.
Too much.
It's fun.
You're overwhelming me.
Or I get the podcast.
She'll voice record as she'swalking to go pick up her
daughter from school.
And I get the five-minutepodcast where I have to try to
hear her over the wind tunnels.
(19:08):
And she's picking up a Britishaccent.
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (19:11):
She's been in the UK so long that she has this crate
hybrid accent that's just it'svery like what's the old the
transatlantic.
Transatlantic.
Yeah, it's getting verytransatlantic.
It's very Kennedy.
SPEAKER_02 (19:25):
Yeah, I love it.
It's very posh, but not British,but not American.
Do you remember what was thename of that the Netflix show
where the girl Anna, whatever,she's like swindler girl that
had the oh I almost said Ialmost said Anna Cleves.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:45):
Anna Delvey.
SPEAKER_02 (19:46):
Yeah, Anna Delvey, yes.
And the girl who played her, Iloved her in Ozarks, but she did
such a great job of her weirdaccent because everybody who was
German was like, that is not aGerman accent.
And everybody in the rest of theworld was like, that's not an
anything accent.
Nobody talks like that excepther.
But she managed to fooleverybody, so good on her, I
(20:08):
guess.
But it's one of those accentswhere it's like it was
definitely forged between twovery different accents.
A Molly podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (20:18):
It's not, but she does deserve her own podcast.
I know so much about Molly, andI tread in Jason.
You're on the team.
Yeah, you are on the team.
I've never I've never seenMolly.
I've never talked to Molly.
Molly Molly is shockinglypretty.
SPEAKER_00 (20:30):
Oh, she's beautiful.
Bitch.
Yeah, she's really beautiful.
SPEAKER_02 (20:33):
Skinny.
Does she have a hot husband too?
She's got a ridiculously hothusband.
He's in the British Royal Navy.
And her kid is really cool.
Wait, are we doxing Molly?
Oh, I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00 (20:43):
It's not like I give her actual name.
And her address.
Let me guys.
Well, you know what's funnyabout Molly?
Her social security number.
Let me tell it to you.
No, she has a really hothusband, though.
SPEAKER_02 (20:54):
Her and I were on late one night.
We had started with an actualbusiness phone call, but it
always devolves just like thisis.
Best of intentions.
But she was lying on the bed andshe has to lay on his side of
the bed to keep the signal goingbecause they live in the middle
of BFE nowhere.
And so he comes in and he juststarts telling me these stories
about the Navy.
And I'm like, listen, I wasmarried to a guy in the Navy.
(21:15):
You don't have to tell me.
I remember walking over bodiesin the morning to get to the Not
Dead ones.
SPEAKER_01 (21:21):
Not dead ones.
Okay, given yeah, that I I didneed some more context there.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (21:27):
You're welcome.
I know.
I'm her interpreter.
That's really the only reasonI'm here.
Is so she doesn't get canceled.
Oh yeah, they're not gonnacancel you over murdered.
SPEAKER_02 (21:41):
I'm the person who can murder somebody in the
middle of Fifth Avenue and getaway with it.
SPEAKER_00 (21:45):
Oh, a Trump quote, cancel her! Wrap it up.
Or did or did I get canceledbefore because uh the Helen
Keller thing?
Oh, I think I don't think we'remaking it out of this podcast
alive.
Well everyone go follow MulvaneyMedia.
She's the only one not sayingcontroversial things and doxing
their editors.
My editor is lovely for therecord.
(22:08):
Oh yeah, okay.
So did we talk about theprocess?
Was it easy to navigate?
Because you know so many peoplein the industry.
It's not like you.
Really?
You are now.
SPEAKER_01 (22:18):
I mean I am now, but he's clearly my closest
associate here.
Yeah.
But and I did ask her a lot ofquestions, and she gave me a lot
of great information, and thatwas amazing.
But I used an editor that I havebeen friends with for years now.
Picked up my cover designer, wasa through a friend through
fandom.
The cover is so good.
(22:38):
I remember you told me that youliked the cover, and you asked.
Okay, I'll tell you this.
When you asked me for a copy ofthe book to put in your trophy
case, I about cried.
I need you to know that.
I was so like, oh my god.
SPEAKER_02 (22:52):
It's amazing.
My real Pokemon cards are peopleI con into writing books, and
then well, she had a publishingcompany.
I had a publishing company forthree years.
Yeah.
Which is how I really learned.
But yeah, you and then RemyBishop also is a very close
friend of mine, and she had thesame trajectory where she
(23:12):
started out as one of myreaders, and then we became
friends over K-pop because ofour mutual love of stray kids,
and then she started writingfiction.
And I'm just like, it's crazy.
There's just this pipeline, andI'm just so happy to see it
because I love fandom spaces.
I was always a Tumblr whore, Iwas always like an AO3 person,
(23:34):
and it's like more and morepeople.
I actually know somebody who'sfairly famous that I'm
definitely not gonna say hername because I'm sure she would
never green light me tellingpeople this.
Her most popular series startedout as Lord of the Rings
fanfiction.
SPEAKER_01 (23:51):
Interesting.
Fascinating the way people cantake what was fanfic and
literally translate it.
Do you watch the like varietyshows like Code and things like
that?
I used to watch straight kids.
SPEAKER_02 (24:03):
I used to watch that I get secondhand embarrassment.
Really easy.
And they go out of their way tomake these guys look like
complete doofuses, which I thinkis why we all have such a
parasocial relationship withthem.
Because when they're on stage,they're like these beasts, and
you're just like, oh my god,they're so hot.
(24:24):
And then you see them in reallife, and you're like, oh my
god, they're so dorky.
Like, what the hell?
How are these the same fuckingpeople?
This kid who is one of the toprappers in all of Korea just
tripped over his own feetwalking from point A to point B,
and it's just like, how is thatreal?
But so I don't really watch themanymore.
(24:45):
I used to watch them more in thebeginning.
I watched the survival show,which was gutting, and I will
never be the same after that.
And then I watched Kingdom,which was phenomenal, it was so
good.
That made me an A-Ts and StrayKids fan watching Kingdom.
It was really good.
Basically, they brought all ofthese boy bands together, K-pop
bands, and made them battle itout.
(25:08):
But halfway through thecompetition, they kind of start
mixing up the teams.
But it was fun because A-Ts andStray Kids in real life are
actual besties.
Like Changbin and Wu Young areactual friends, they'll text
each other 25,000 times a day.
So seeing them like competeagainst each other, but also
have to sit next to each other,and like the Korea is all about,
(25:29):
you know, hierarchy when itcomes to older people, whatever,
but Chungbin is his senior, solike he's like, you know,
basically shit-talking Changbin,and like the Hongzhun's like,
this is your senior, like we'rein fucking public, you can't do
that.
Like, stop it.
Like, so seeing stuff like thatwas like my favorite, and how
stray kids are like pocket-sizedcompared to every other boy,
(25:53):
every other group.
They're so tiny.
The tallest member of stray kidsis 5'10.
And then they're standing nextto the boys where there's nobody
under six foot.
They look like Umpalumpus.
They're so tiny.
SPEAKER_01 (26:09):
My question, the reason I got into this is
because I find, especially oncode, their editing is so
bizarre when they cut thoseepisodes off.
I'm like, what's because they'recutting out stuff they don't
want us to see.
Oh, that's a whole otherconversation.
Yeah, but just, oh, come backnext week.
Yeah, I'll be there next week.
But why did you cut it rightthere?
And just on this, again, K-poptopic, I want you to know that I
(26:30):
panicked a little bit thismorning because one of my guys
dropped a new campaign thismorning, and my soul left my
body a little bit.
And I'm like, how am I supposedto go have a coherent
conversation after this?
How dare he do this morning?
It wasn't him.
What's a campaign?
Brand ambassador, new adcampaign.
SPEAKER_00 (26:51):
He's like a commercial?
Basically, yes.
Like Bad Bunny.
SPEAKER_01 (26:58):
I have a thing for Spanish dudes.
I love it.
I need you to go on the newCalvin Kine campaign.
SPEAKER_00 (27:06):
Oh, wait.
Is it the new Calvin Klein isyour guy?
SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
Okay, technically he's my wrecker, but he's one of
my boys.
He's her bias record.
SPEAKER_00 (27:16):
Yeah, he's my bias.
SPEAKER_01 (27:17):
Which I think is who was on the campaign?
Junk Hoop.
Oh, dude.
Is this guy?
That's Ming Yu, who's also oneof my guys.
Oh, okay.
Go to the Calvin Klein page, theCalvin Klein Instagram.
SPEAKER_02 (27:33):
I remember when that photo dropped and everybody lost
their minds because that waslike he was shirtless.
Yeah.
We all know how they feel aboutnipples in Korea.
Not even the men are allowed tohave them.
SPEAKER_01 (27:44):
They don't like nipples?
Did you say that there was a lawthat just got passed that
they're not allowed to runshirtless in public anymore?
That is insane.
Yes, you need to watch the videoon the motorcycle.
SPEAKER_02 (27:57):
Oh, dude, you should see W Korea just launched Leno's
campaign and he looks rightthere standing on.
Yes, he does.
Yes.
Yes, he does.
Well, there's really no uglyK-pop starts.
They don't allow it.
SPEAKER_01 (28:10):
But I have used the fact that there are like
Mulvaney adjacent people thatlove K-pop to my advantage
because I've definitely snucksome of my boys into posts on
Mulvaney me.
SPEAKER_02 (28:23):
Hey, everybody should appreciate them.
Listen, I've made Ever andShiloh K-pop fans and Calliope
so that I could sneak my love ofK-pop into Thank you for that.
Like I named all the chickensafter Stray Kids.
Calliope has chickens andthey're all named after stray
kids.
That didn't come from me.
That came from a real woman onTikTok who named all of her
(28:44):
chickens after stray kids.
And she has these videos whereshe's just like, Hajjan, put
down the tomato.
Bang Chan, stop eating thatapple.
SPEAKER_01 (28:53):
And I had reading them, like I think it was like
Bang Chen put down the avocadoor something.
I like I snorted so hard Ialmost choked.
Genius.
SPEAKER_02 (29:03):
What were you saying, Shannon?
Oh, you started to saysomething.
SPEAKER_00 (29:08):
I was looking at the Instagram of Calvin Klein of the
boys.
I don't know them.
SPEAKER_01 (29:12):
This is why photo cards get you.
We call them boy paper.
I have not actively sought outany photo cards.
I have a binder of the ones thathave come with things, but I
have not started activelyseeking them out.
I don't seek them out, they cometo me.
SPEAKER_02 (29:27):
So they come to me through albums to stay away from
that.
SPEAKER_01 (29:34):
Well, are you planning on writing more books?
I'm about 55% through book two.
It's the series.
About halfway through writingthe first one, I was like, oh, I
got more to tell here because Iwant to follow other members of
the group.
So yeah, once you have a group,you have to.
So we'll get there's three booksthat are in total, like about
(29:56):
halfway through the second one.
The third one is totally plannedout, already to Go there might
be a novella at some point, likeyou're hearing it at some point.
SPEAKER_02 (30:07):
Do a novella anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (30:09):
The great way to build your newsletter is
offering a newsletter because Idon't know how I feel because
you're too busy writing mine.
I didn't know if we were talkingabout that or not.
I don't care that people knowthat you write mine.
SPEAKER_02 (30:23):
I swear I know her when she created the account,
but now we know each otherreally well.
SPEAKER_00 (30:28):
And yes, now she is on the payroll.
Which and it's just easier tomerge her in if anything happens
to only come.
SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
Slide her right in.
Plug and play.
It's funny she sent me a videowhen I started doing the
newsletter that she meant tojust show me how to do a couple
things on there.
She was screen recording, butshe forgot she was doing it, and
I got almost like two hours ofOnly's live.
SPEAKER_00 (30:54):
Oh my god.
Did you?
Oh my god, that's a nightmarefuel for her.
Did you know this?
SPEAKER_01 (31:00):
No, you did know this because you apologized.
She's like, you're just gonnahave to deal with how long this
is, and my K-pop like backtrackmusic and whatever.
Oh my god.
Did you watch the whole thing?
I did not watch I'm the personthough.
If you're gonna do somethinglike that, I'm the person that
you want to do it with becauseI'm not gonna do anything with
(31:20):
it.
I'm just gonna be like, oh, andthen like Yeah, that's the
nightmare feel for her.
Hey, I know I know you'retexting the wrong person number,
and look, I haven't doneanything creepy in however many
years.
So I feel like my record ispristine.
I feel like she wouldn't evenwant to send it to me.
SPEAKER_00 (31:38):
I'm blood related to her.
What was that?
I said she wouldn't even want tosend me an accidental two-hour
video of her life, and we'velived together.
I'm literally blood related toher.
SPEAKER_01 (31:47):
Well, at some point, I feel like we just have the
group chat one night becausethis is great.
SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
Yeah, sure.
Maybe invite me over next timeyou guys get together.
Keeping that in.
SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
Mean girls.
Hey, I feel like I have noresponsibility in this.
I can't be inviting people tosomeone else's house, so this is
all on her.
SPEAKER_00 (32:06):
Oh, I know the code to the front door, baby.
I'll bust in there like theKool-Aid man, grab the babies,
put them on my hip, make myselfa sandwich, and go take a nap in
her bed.
Don't fuck around.
SPEAKER_02 (32:16):
Anytime somebody rings the doorbell and I know
she's coming, I'm like, what isshe doing?
unknown (32:20):
Like what?
SPEAKER_00 (32:21):
Sometimes they put that fuck ass chain on, and then
I feel stupid when I go to openthe door and it's like d-dunk.
And I'm like, oh, Shannon'scoming over, better put the
chain on.
SPEAKER_01 (32:34):
What'd you say?
I was just saying, I need you toknow that I still think about
your couch.
Um, oh my god.
I cannot tell you the amount oftimes that I oh god, that was a
good couch.
SPEAKER_00 (32:46):
I get all her leftovers, so don't compliment
her about it because I kind ofwant her to get a hair up her
ass to get rid of it.
It's terrible.
And she's way too lazy to sellit, even though she could get
like probably a thousand dollarsfor it.
She'll be like, Shannon, do youwant this fuck ass$10,000 couch?
And I'll be like, I guess.
If I have to.
Get the U-Haul! It's time.
Go move.
SPEAKER_02 (33:05):
How long did the stupid king-size bed sit in this
box before you came in?
Actually, I brought it to thebook.
SPEAKER_00 (33:13):
I can't even get him to fucking fix the towel rack.
This is now, this is now adomestic podcast.
Listen, this fuck ass man won'tdo shit kakadudu except for go
to work and shit.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding, I love you, Alex.
Cut this apart out.
SPEAKER_02 (33:29):
Now we know why Alex was so depressed when he called
earlier.
SPEAKER_01 (33:35):
I'm just sitting here and sip my literal tea, you
don't mind me.
SPEAKER_00 (33:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:40):
Oh, well, we're tell people where to find you.
SPEAKER_02 (33:44):
Tell people how they can find your books and stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (33:46):
Uh well, you can find me on Instagram.
I would love to have some morefollowers.
Mulvaney Media is great, butalso at Canyon King.
And my books are on Amazon andKU for now.
I will probably be hitting Ollieup here shortly to ask her some
questions about selling off ofAmazon.
Because there's a you need ashop manager?
(34:08):
Hey, I tried to pick you upearlier and I think you missed
it.
I was asking if I could havesome space in your garage.
SPEAKER_00 (34:16):
My whole garage is only space.
I'm garaged out.
SPEAKER_02 (34:19):
But once the unhinged boxes go out, actually
get what's funny is if I evenhint at getting a separate
space, she has a meltdown.
She does not want it to stay inher garage.
SPEAKER_00 (34:30):
Sometimes she tries to send people to help me, like
with the boxes and stuff.
And I'm like, get these peopleout of my house.
I'm gonna do it.
And I'll answer the emails aboutthe wait times.
Shannon at onlyjames.com.
SPEAKER_02 (34:42):
Yes.
The real way, the real holdup isjust Shannon wanting to
micromanage and do it herself.
It's not at all the fact that Ijust add things on at random at
the very end when we're almostready to ship.
We need to add one more thing tothe box.
I'm like, they just want thebox.
SPEAKER_00 (34:56):
I was so worried that everything I sent wasn't
gonna be good enough that I hadlike her thing is it's not good
enough.
It's never good enough.
She wants to add another thing.
I cut her off.
So if you ever think it's notgood enough, that's me and Molly
telling her, enough.
SPEAKER_02 (35:08):
And my accountant being like, Do you actually want
to make a profit off theseboxes?
SPEAKER_00 (35:12):
Or the star of the show here is they want the book.
SPEAKER_01 (35:16):
Well, I feel good that she gives me the thumbs up
on so many things.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (35:23):
Teach me K-pop, especially if you teach me K-pop
K-pop.
SPEAKER_01 (35:27):
But you I do need to stress though, and I guess if
there was one thing I was gonnado different about all of this,
you do not have to know anythingabout K-pop to read this.
You don't have to be a K-popfan.
And I feel like the title tripssome people up.
SPEAKER_02 (35:40):
But people can listen to K-pop demon hunters
and know nothing about K-pop.
They can read Teach Me K-popwith knowing nothing about it.
SPEAKER_01 (35:47):
But I I feel like though, that's one of those
things that if you're debatingand you don't know.
Maybe the premise is cute, but Idon't really want to do the
K-pop of it all.
I literally explain everythingyou need to know.
So you have the background.
SPEAKER_00 (35:57):
What is the premise?
Is this uh male mail?
SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
Is this a um a high school librarian who does um
language tutoring on the side?
His bestie works for one of theK-pop companies and hooks him up
with an idol to tutor, but hedoes not know that his student
is an idol at the time.
I love that.
SPEAKER_00 (36:18):
Kind of, yeah.
It is kind of like a secretcelebrity.
Yeah, and he falls in love withthem without knowing.
SPEAKER_01 (36:24):
He's definitely into him before he knows who he is.
People come and tell me, though,like in the DMs and stuff, which
is so much fun.
I love that.
That they're like, oh my gosh, Iread this, or I've just gotten
into K-pop through K-pop DemonHunters or whatever.
I feel some of these charactersin the book that are trying to
introduce our main guy to theworld of K-pop and how you fall
(36:44):
down the rabbit hole, and onceyou're in, that's it.
Soul consumed, you're done.
SPEAKER_02 (36:51):
The song Your Idol is, like I said, it's a double
for a reason because it'sexactly what happens when you
get into K-pop.
They take your soul, isn't thatall of a sudden?
SPEAKER_01 (36:59):
This is your life now.
SPEAKER_02 (37:01):
It really is.
SPEAKER_00 (37:03):
If you're looking for a new cult, ladies and
gentlemen, well hey, one of theBTS.
SPEAKER_01 (37:13):
He had the hat and the suit, everything, just
putting it out there.
SPEAKER_00 (37:17):
Right.
There's a lot of costumes aboutto come out.
SPEAKER_01 (37:20):
Oh my god, I think Halloween is just gonna be all I
saw.
SPEAKER_00 (37:24):
I just did a boobash at my kids' school.
So many classes miniatures, somany Hunter scrolls.
So honey.
I thought Harper, myfour-year-old, was gonna do it,
but then she fell in love withthis like gothic gown.
She said she's a dead zombiemermaid princess.
So, and I had to get fake blood,but I had to explain to her she
actually can't wear that toschool.
(37:45):
The fake blood.
I don't know what happened.
It was a crazy switch up.
It was a crazy switch up fromK-pop to zombie princess
mermaid.
Is it's her vision.
I trust a creative process.
SPEAKER_02 (37:56):
Shannon's afraid of her, so she's gonna get what she
wants.
SPEAKER_00 (37:59):
She is a scary.
SPEAKER_02 (38:00):
She's a tiny mob boss.
Yeah, and she has a Brooklynaccent for absolutely no reason
whatsoever.
SPEAKER_00 (38:08):
Yeah, yesterday.
I will.
Yesterday she showed mesomething and I said, Wow.
And she goes, Why wouldn't Ishow you things?
I don't like that.
Don't say wow anymore when Ishow you stuff.
Because you say it like wow.
I don't like that.
She's an Aquarius.
Said, okay, girl, maybe step upyour art game.
(38:29):
Don't call CPS.
Okay.
Maybe actually impress me.
Okay.
Well, I can tell you she saidsomething earlier with her
little her little accent.
Don't talk to me like that.
I don't know where the accentcomes from.
Don't talk to me like that.
You don't talk to me like that.
SPEAKER_01 (38:48):
She's ever been to Brooklyn.
SPEAKER_00 (38:52):
I have not.
I've been to Manhattan.
My dad's from New Jersey.
SPEAKER_02 (38:55):
Her father has never really interacted with Harper.
Like, like it's not.
SPEAKER_00 (38:59):
No, we're no contact.
We have no dads.
Well, my kids have a dad.
Our family podcast, our familygroups is called No Daddies,
Just Issues.
That's right.
No daddy's.
SPEAKER_01 (39:11):
Don't know if anybody else is gonna appreciate
this, but it's been great forme.
SPEAKER_00 (39:14):
I just spew randomness on here and then I
log out and then she has to dealwith it all.
But I I gotta ship her books andshit and answer the emails.
So, like, what do you want?
SPEAKER_02 (39:22):
I have to write a whole chapter before uh 8 30
tonight.
So rent is due, Bookie.
Rent is due.
All right, guys.
SPEAKER_00 (39:30):
Yeah.
See you next week.
Thanks for having me on.
Go read her book.
Oh, what's her hot take on Helen Keller?
(00:01):
You'll never know, bitches.
You're never gonna know.
Can't cancel me.
SPEAKER_02 (00:17):
Okay.
Welcome to a very specialepisode of the Pharaoh Phantoms
Podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (00:25):
This is gonna go off the rails.
SPEAKER_02 (00:28):
It is already this is the intro.
Yeah, this is the intro.
We're we're already batten athousand.
I'm only James, MMO romanceauthor and owner of the Burned
Out Muse, which is themothership for this disaster
that is the Pharaoh PhantomsPodcast.
SPEAKER_00 (00:43):
Welcome back.
We appreciate you.
SPEAKER_02 (00:45):
And we are interviewing Kanan King today,
another author who also happensto run my fan account, which
sounds so weird.
And I am here with Shannon, whois, as you know, a PA for just
me.
She's very exclusive.
SPEAKER_00 (01:07):
Very exclusive.
She only works with me.
I mean, you could hire me if youwant.
SPEAKER_02 (01:11):
It's nothing big enough for anybody else to hire
you.
SPEAKER_00 (01:16):
I'm super busy.
If anybody tries to takeShannon, I'm gonna find them.
Check them wait times in theshop, baby.
You don't want me.
SPEAKER_02 (01:26):
Okay, and we are here with Kanan.
And she wrote a book calledTeach Me K-pop.
I did.
And we are gonna be talkingtoday about her journey from fan
to author.
Yes, which is a great.
Okay, so I have to ask becauseI've never asked you this
before.
Okay.
Why did you start MulvaneyMedia?
(01:48):
Like what was the impetus thatmade you decide that you were
gonna start a whole fan account?
You just appeared one day, youjust materialized out of nowhere
and started gaining way morefollowers than me.
SPEAKER_00 (01:59):
You're really good.
You really should run, youreally should run her official
one.
No, I'm just kidding, just init.
Oh my god.
Don't come for my job.
SPEAKER_02 (02:09):
They actually work well together.
SPEAKER_01 (02:11):
So I am not one of those people that knows how to
be a casual fan of anything.
I'm of the let this consume mysoul variety.
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
The too much gene.
We have it too.
SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
So I read the books at the suggestion of a friend of
mine who is also very closelytied to my K-pop journey.
And I was like, oh my god, Ilove these guys so much.
And I read them and reread themand reread them, and I have to
do something with this.
I've always been creative.
I like to write, I like totwiddle around.
(02:42):
I'm just dangerous enough withknowing how to do some editing
things and stuff that I feellike I pull off some stuff.
And I was just like, I'm gonnado this.
I'm gonna put it out there andsee what happens, and like maybe
I'll get 30 or 40 people thatalso like the books, and we'll
see what happens.
I knew some of my friends from alittle online book club would
(03:03):
probably follow me, and that wasgreat.
If it was just us, that wasgonna be fine.
Yeah.
Um, and what's really funny is Iput the first post out there and
I could not decide if I shouldtag Only or not.
I put the post up, hit send, andI ran into a mammogram
appointment.
SPEAKER_02 (03:24):
I love, I like to hit and run too.
Hit and run.
SPEAKER_00 (03:28):
I sometimes I send real hot takes through email,
and then I'm like, I'm not gonnalook at what they say back.
If I do something risky, I'lldelete the app off my phone and
just like okay, I need touchgrass.
SPEAKER_01 (03:38):
So I came and then I came out with the appointment,
and she had already been like,oh my gosh, what is this?
And we started texting, talkingthat day, DMing, and we talked
all through my trip to Cole'sand we covered all just so much
ground in that firstconversation, even of oh hey, we
actually have a lot in commonand similarities and fun stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (04:08):
You wrote them so well that it actually kind of
spooked me a little bit becauseI was like, she could literally
just slide into my place and Idon't think anybody would even
notice.
If we read that, yeah, no, I'myour girl.
You know nobody loves it.
SPEAKER_00 (04:24):
If something happens to me and I still need to get a
paycheck, I will slide you in.
I've got plenty of pictures ofher.
We'll AI your face, whatever wegotta do.
SPEAKER_02 (04:33):
But yeah, at last count, Mulvaney Media has 4,309
followers.
And you've had that account,what, a year and a half?
Next February will be fouryears.
SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
What?
Four years.
So you're from jumps.
So you are it hasn't really beenthat long.
SPEAKER_01 (04:54):
I came in, I read the all of them up until Maniac.
I came in like a month beforeManiac came out.
We all know I don't have threeor four years, something like
that.
But it's been a while, andtherefore the first two solid
years, I was doing two posts aday.
Oh, you were pranking that stuffout.
(05:15):
Um the afternoon goofy post, andI made one of the posts from
your kitchen table, which is oneof my favorite stories.
Yeah, she came to visit ourconversation.
SPEAKER_02 (05:26):
I was like, hold on, it's time for my afternoon post.
So funny is so many people werelike, You let a random stranger
come to your house who created afan account for your books.
And I was like, Duh, yeah,wouldn't you?
You died in the movie.
We had like moved on from justlike we were solid friends by
(05:49):
then.
She came to see me at the househere.
Why don't you tell me?
I I'm almost positive I did.
SPEAKER_00 (05:55):
She was here for like seven hours one day.
She didn't tell me.
I actually wasn't invited.
Hey listeners, I wasn't invitedto this party.
I talked to Mulvaney Media too.
So should I just leave theinterview since you guys are
having parties without me?
I'm only an hour away.
Would you guys would you eat?
She wouldn't show up.
Oh, you guys had little treats.
(06:15):
You have a little chit-chat,huh?
Did you have a couple laughs?
We spent the table.
I've got kids.
SPEAKER_02 (06:24):
Was there was only one at the time, right?
Jasper wasn't born yet, was he?
It was just Kane.
SPEAKER_01 (06:29):
Yeah, Kane was little.
This week is like my K-popfandom anniversary week.
So the fact that we're talkingabout this and that visit to
your house while I was drivingback and forth was a very time
of discovery for me.
And I just had just gotten intoK-pop, and that's all I listened
to driving down these crazy backroads of North Carolina and like
(06:52):
having this.
Okay, so who got you into K-pop?
Yeah, how did you start yourjourney there?
Um, that's a lot of factors herebecause I knew from talking to
Aunley that she was super intoit, and I had a vague awareness
of it.
But I read a book about a K-popstar.
That was what really piqued myinterest about it, and that's
(07:13):
how I took the back door intolearning about the group that I
am a big fan of, and then spreadout.
What group is that?
I'm an army.
No shade, I'm a stay.
SPEAKER_02 (07:25):
I've got my army guys over there.
I was just talking about my BTSarmy over here.
Oh, did you get those?
That makes me so happy.
SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
I missed three of them.
I'm not bitter.
Hardcore, but I also love straykids, part of your influence.
SPEAKER_02 (07:37):
Stray kids is the gateway to ATs, and ATs is the
gateway to stray kids, andyou'll never convince me.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
I think that's the that I had talked about earlier
is a hardcore stay.
So I keep up on them through heras well.
SPEAKER_02 (07:49):
Okay, now I might be getting this wrong, but you're
friends with Bedhead and BL.
Yes.
Okay.
This is what a small world weare in.
Okay.
So you know I love my BLs.
SPEAKER_01 (08:01):
And I have tried some because of you and her.
SPEAKER_02 (08:04):
Yeah.
So on TikTok, there's a veryselect group of pretty
well-known BL reactors.
One of them is Bedhead and BL,another one is BL down under.
They're all friends with eachother.
I didn't know this, but theyread my books and they did a
whole live about it one night.
I messaged Bedhead and BL and Iwas like, thank you guys for
(08:25):
talking about the books.
Then her and I got to talkingbecause she was basically
sending me messages, DMing me asshe read the books.
She was the one on the call thathadn't read the books yet.
I don't know why I agreed to lether basically send me her in the
moment thoughts as she read, butit was some of the funniest
(08:48):
shit.
Because she would be so mad, shewould just be like ranting at me
for like four minutes.
Then out of nowhere, I find outthat you and her are actual
friends.
And I was like, that is socrazy.
Because I found them through BL,they found me completely
independently through justreading MM romance, and then you
(09:10):
somehow also know them.
Her fandom.
This is a small community, butsomehow is it, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (09:19):
She was very kind when my book came out and said
lots of nice things about it toher followers.
So I'm very grateful for that aswell.
SPEAKER_02 (09:28):
And when did you decide to write Teach Me K-pop?
SPEAKER_00 (09:32):
Did you always like to write forever?
SPEAKER_01 (09:34):
And I did I did the whole fanfic thing back in the
day.
And I guess I felt too like evenon Mulvainy Media that a lot of
what I wrote there is basicallyshort-form fanfic, like one
shot, really whatever.
And it just worked out nicelythat Only was a fan of that.
SPEAKER_00 (09:51):
What's your original fanfic?
Your original, you don't tell mewhich one it is, but what was
your fandom?
SPEAKER_01 (09:56):
I will not admit to what it was, but my original
fandom was Glee.
How much more embarrassing canthat be?
Was it Jeffrey Dahmer?
Late 90s boy band.
That's all you get out of me.
Okay.
You can talk about this off therecord.
Real people.
(10:16):
Just an RPF person.
SPEAKER_02 (10:19):
Listen, I'm Insung fanfic enthusiast, and I will
not apologize for it.
I am obsessed with that.
SPEAKER_00 (10:26):
I think it's fun, guys, and I think everyone
should chill out.
SPEAKER_02 (10:29):
There are people who have done entire dissertations
on why it's not creepy to readfanfiction about real people
because you're basically puttingthose people in the role of
somebody else.
SPEAKER_01 (10:42):
Like you're using them as actors in your head.
SPEAKER_02 (10:50):
Right.
And people do that, and writersdo that every day.
You can go to my Pinterest pageand see that like I have
character inspo.
Everybody does.
It's Pinterest was based on it.
I think it's completely normalto just kind of like throw
somebody you know in that role.
So if you were into K-pop andyou were into boy bands, what
finally just made you decide tolike write it?
(11:13):
Like as yourself.
SPEAKER_01 (11:14):
So I like I said, I I'd always written, but I had
always wanted to write a book,but that always seemed like the
big scary thing.
Because I was like, I was aone-shot writer.
Like I wrote things that werelike small and neat and compact,
and I'd never thought that Iwould ever actually commit to
writing a book.
But this was like right aroundthat same time that I had come
(11:34):
to see you, and all the stuff isin my head.
And one day I was out drivingand I got an idea that literally
dropped into my head, fullyformed.
I knew the characters, I knewtheir whole story, and I freaked
out so hard.
I pulled into the Costco parkinglot and called my bestie that I
(11:56):
have referred to a couple timesalready, my stay friend, and I
cried on the phone because I wasso overwhelmed by the idea that
I that this had just happened.
And I'm like, what do I do withthis?
And she was like, I think it is.
So I went home and I banged outa 22-page outline that had
(12:19):
everything in there.
And I was like, Oh my god, oh mygod.
Like it's all here.
I have to do this.
And I started twiddling on it alittle bit.
I'm also not an outliner, likeme either.
SPEAKER_02 (12:31):
I'm a pantser all the way.
SPEAKER_01 (12:32):
As anybody who's read my plot holes knows, but I
can't pants.
I can't pants.
I have to know that I can finisha whole thing from start to
finish, but I'd never done likethat level of this chapter, this
chapter, this chapter.
And I started twiddling aroundon it, and I'm like, I might be
onto something here.
But like I got hung up because Ihad some weird health things
going on, and that really put adamper on my progress.
(12:54):
But it also made me want to doit more.
I remember having thatconversation with you.
I've started this thing and I'mthinking about doing it.
I had to take a step back fromMulvaney Media too, because I
just couldn't handle life andbeing creative.
unknown (13:09):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:09):
So we had that conversation, and then from then
on, like, I I guess I was allI'm in it now.
I'm gonna do it.
And then I'd come ask you dumbquestions and thank you for all
the help that you gave me.
And then I was like, okay, Ihave a book.
Now, what do I do now?
SPEAKER_00 (13:25):
Yeah, and it's like a baby, right?
It's yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
We were just talking about that in the last a lot of
people didn't know.
SPEAKER_00 (13:31):
So it's such a vulnerable, it's such a
vulnerable thing to do to writesomething creative.
I'm not a creative.
You're welcome, guys, becausethat what what I would write
would be sick.
It would be so sick.
It canceled immediately.
Canceled.
You would hate it.
Anyway, I truly believe thatthat's about how Helen Keller
was a faker and a Nazi.
(13:53):
Anyway, let's not get off track.
We'll talk about it next week.
The fandom of Helen Keller andher haters.
If she has zero, I'm dead.
We were talking about how it'ssuch a vulnerable thing to do,
and I know that as people thatconsume a lot of art, then
switching to do it yourself.
Did you have like a newappreciation when you read now,
(14:15):
or does it put a different lighton it?
SPEAKER_01 (14:18):
I guess I feel and this is terrible because I've
always been a reader.
I think I read less now thanI've ever read in my life.
Absolutely.
Nina never reads.
SPEAKER_02 (14:33):
That's the only thing I read.
I read fanfic because one, I canmicrodose it.
Right, exactly.
Like I can just read smalllittle bits of it.
But two, it doesn't bleed intomy own writing.
So I don't get it too in myhead.
When I read other people'swriting, especially in this
genre, I'm always like, oh, theydid it better than me.
(14:54):
Oh, that phrase was so good.
I could never compete with that.
And I just get too in my ownhead about it.
And I just so I just don't writewhen I start to get too bogged
down about like the details.
But oh my god, I will tell youthis.
I don't know.
I don't know if you read my poston Patreon about the tea
(15:14):
debacle.
Of course I did.
I did not tell Shannon this.
Huh.
So, you know, I've had thismassive head cold, this like
sinus thing happening for likeover a week now, and I've just
been getting these majorheadaches.
And so Friday night, I was like,oh, I'm gonna go to bed early.
I'm gonna take something, andinstead, I ended up taking, I
(15:35):
have like these stress easeteas, they're called, and I took
one called tension tamer, whichwas Ashwagon and Honeybush, and
then the other one I took wascalled Calm.
No, that's calm is theAshwagonda.
Uh, the Tension Tamer one isValerian and Mint, I think, but
(15:55):
I mixed the two together and Idrank them, and it was about
8:30 at night, and I was like,I'm gonna knock myself out, be
out by nine, so I can wake up atfive or six and start working.
The girls come in.
Hey, we want to go downtown.
Can you listen for the kids from11 to 1?
(16:16):
Sure.
Okay, I guess.
That's fine.
I'll just work to stay awake.
I bang out the epilogue forRanger.
I throw it up on Patreon.
The girls, thank God, come homeat 12:40.
I am unconscious.
I wake up at noon the next day.
(16:37):
That's how hard this fucking teahit me.
Now, mind you, I had also beenmainlining Dayquil and NyQuil.
You should try vodka.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:44):
Have you heard this new thing?
It's called Vodka.
It's called booze.
I'm a fan.
SPEAKER_02 (16:48):
I wake up to a message from Molly that says,
Were you high when you wrotethis?
I got so mad, I was like, thefuck?
What are you talking about?
And then first off, I had ameltdown.
I had a meltdown.
I was like just texting her andshe's like, I'm on the phone
(17:10):
with my dad.
I'll call you in a minute.
Stop texting me.
Because I'm like, do I need torewrite the whole thing?
Is it that bad?
And then I went and read it.
And my god.
First off, the waxing poetic wasoff the charts.
Like, my like it w it wasridiculous.
Two, the fragments, the sentencefragments, they were everywhere.
It was like I started a thoughtor finished a thought, but
(17:30):
didn't get to the other side ofthe sentence.
And then I literally had a wholeparagraph about granola.
Which valid.
Like honestly.
And everybody was like, oh, Iloved it.
It was so sweet.
It was so romantic.
Please don't change a word ofit.
And I'm looking at it, andMolly's looking at it.
She's like, what happened here?
She's like, you don't write likethis.
(17:52):
That's how nice your readersare, though.
They're like, we love it.
I even confessed all of this onPatreon.
And they were all just like,what?
I thought it was great.
And I didn't know if I shouldfeel good or bad about that.
And I was like, I was like, Ithought it was true, like, not
great.
And they thought it was great.
So which of us is right?
(18:12):
So I let Molly decide as myeditor.
She has to be.
Like, this is where the ScorpioVirgo energy is perfection
because I'm like, all the ideaperson, and she's all the make
it happen person.
Like she she's actually my boss.
She's so type A.
It's crazy.
(18:33):
She has a spreadsheet that givesme anxiety.
She'll send it to me, and I'mjust like, oh no, nope.
And I'll just explain.
SPEAKER_00 (18:40):
So she sends, I know she just send me the paragraph,
Molly.
She's a birth message.
I'm like, what's happening,Molly?
You're giving me anxiety.
What did I forget?
SPEAKER_02 (18:48):
Paragraph text before I write and she just
knocks those little ding dingding-ding ding ding ding ding.
Too much.
Too much.
It's fun.
You're overwhelming me.
Or I get the podcast.
She'll voice record as she'swalking to go pick up her
daughter from school.
And I get the five-minutepodcast where I have to try to
hear her over the wind tunnels.
(19:08):
And she's picking up a Britishaccent.
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (19:11):
She's been in the UK so long that she has this crate
hybrid accent that's just it'svery like what's the old the
transatlantic.
Transatlantic.
Yeah, it's getting verytransatlantic.
It's very Kennedy.
SPEAKER_02 (19:25):
Yeah, I love it.
It's very posh, but not British,but not American.
Do you remember what was thename of that the Netflix show
where the girl Anna, whatever,she's like swindler girl that
had the oh I almost said Ialmost said Anna Cleves.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:45):
Anna Delvey.
SPEAKER_02 (19:46):
Yeah, Anna Delvey, yes.
And the girl who played her, Iloved her in Ozarks, but she did
such a great job of her weirdaccent because everybody who was
German was like, that is not aGerman accent.
And everybody in the rest of theworld was like, that's not an
anything accent.
Nobody talks like that excepther.
But she managed to fooleverybody, so good on her, I
(20:08):
guess.
But it's one of those accentswhere it's like it was
definitely forged between twovery different accents.
A Molly podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (20:18):
It's not, but she does deserve her own podcast.
I know so much about Molly, andI tread in Jason.
You're on the team.
Yeah, you are on the team.
I've never I've never seenMolly.
I've never talked to Molly.
Molly Molly is shockinglypretty.
SPEAKER_00 (20:30):
Oh, she's beautiful.
Bitch.
Yeah, she's really beautiful.
SPEAKER_02 (20:33):
Skinny.
Does she have a hot husband too?
She's got a ridiculously hothusband.
He's in the British Royal Navy.
And her kid is really cool.
Wait, are we doxing Molly?
Oh, I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00 (20:43):
It's not like I give her actual name.
And her address.
Let me guys.
Well, you know what's funnyabout Molly?
Her social security number.
Let me tell it to you.
No, she has a really hothusband, though.
SPEAKER_02 (20:54):
Her and I were on late one night.
We had started with an actualbusiness phone call, but it
always devolves just like thisis.
Best of intentions.
But she was lying on the bed andshe has to lay on his side of
the bed to keep the signal goingbecause they live in the middle
of BFE nowhere.
And so he comes in and he juststarts telling me these stories
about the Navy.
And I'm like, listen, I wasmarried to a guy in the Navy.
(21:15):
You don't have to tell me.
I remember walking over bodiesin the morning to get to the Not
Dead ones.
SPEAKER_01 (21:21):
Not dead ones.
Okay, given yeah, that I I didneed some more context there.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (21:27):
You're welcome.
I know.
I'm her interpreter.
That's really the only reasonI'm here.
Is so she doesn't get canceled.
Oh yeah, they're not gonnacancel you over murdered.
SPEAKER_02 (21:41):
I'm the person who can murder somebody in the
middle of Fifth Avenue and getaway with it.
SPEAKER_00 (21:45):
Oh, a Trump quote, cancel her! Wrap it up.
Or did or did I get canceledbefore because uh the Helen
Keller thing?
Oh, I think I don't think we'remaking it out of this podcast
alive.
Well everyone go follow MulvaneyMedia.
She's the only one not sayingcontroversial things and doxing
their editors.
My editor is lovely for therecord.
(22:08):
Oh yeah, okay.
So did we talk about theprocess?
Was it easy to navigate?
Because you know so many peoplein the industry.
It's not like you.
Really?
You are now.
SPEAKER_01 (22:18):
I mean I am now, but he's clearly my closest
associate here.
Yeah.
But and I did ask her a lot ofquestions, and she gave me a lot
of great information, and thatwas amazing.
But I used an editor that I havebeen friends with for years now.
Picked up my cover designer, wasa through a friend through
fandom.
The cover is so good.
(22:38):
I remember you told me that youliked the cover, and you asked.
Okay, I'll tell you this.
When you asked me for a copy ofthe book to put in your trophy
case, I about cried.
I need you to know that.
I was so like, oh my god.
SPEAKER_02 (22:52):
It's amazing.
My real Pokemon cards are peopleI con into writing books, and
then well, she had a publishingcompany.
I had a publishing company forthree years.
Yeah.
Which is how I really learned.
But yeah, you and then RemyBishop also is a very close
friend of mine, and she had thesame trajectory where she
(23:12):
started out as one of myreaders, and then we became
friends over K-pop because ofour mutual love of stray kids,
and then she started writingfiction.
And I'm just like, it's crazy.
There's just this pipeline, andI'm just so happy to see it
because I love fandom spaces.
I was always a Tumblr whore, Iwas always like an AO3 person,
(23:34):
and it's like more and morepeople.
I actually know somebody who'sfairly famous that I'm
definitely not gonna say hername because I'm sure she would
never green light me tellingpeople this.
Her most popular series startedout as Lord of the Rings
fanfiction.
SPEAKER_01 (23:51):
Interesting.
Fascinating the way people cantake what was fanfic and
literally translate it.
Do you watch the like varietyshows like Code and things like
that?
I used to watch straight kids.
SPEAKER_02 (24:03):
I used to watch that I get secondhand embarrassment.
Really easy.
And they go out of their way tomake these guys look like
complete doofuses, which I thinkis why we all have such a
parasocial relationship withthem.
Because when they're on stage,they're like these beasts, and
you're just like, oh my god,they're so hot.
(24:24):
And then you see them in reallife, and you're like, oh my
god, they're so dorky.
Like, what the hell?
How are these the same fuckingpeople?
This kid who is one of the toprappers in all of Korea just
tripped over his own feetwalking from point A to point B,
and it's just like, how is thatreal?
But so I don't really watch themanymore.
(24:45):
I used to watch them more in thebeginning.
I watched the survival show,which was gutting, and I will
never be the same after that.
And then I watched Kingdom,which was phenomenal, it was so
good.
That made me an A-Ts and StrayKids fan watching Kingdom.
It was really good.
Basically, they brought all ofthese boy bands together, K-pop
bands, and made them battle itout.
(25:08):
But halfway through thecompetition, they kind of start
mixing up the teams.
But it was fun because A-Ts andStray Kids in real life are
actual besties.
Like Changbin and Wu Young areactual friends, they'll text
each other 25,000 times a day.
So seeing them like competeagainst each other, but also
have to sit next to each other,and like the Korea is all about,
(25:29):
you know, hierarchy when itcomes to older people, whatever,
but Chungbin is his senior, solike he's like, you know,
basically shit-talking Changbin,and like the Hongzhun's like,
this is your senior, like we'rein fucking public, you can't do
that.
Like, stop it.
Like, so seeing stuff like thatwas like my favorite, and how
stray kids are like pocket-sizedcompared to every other boy,
(25:53):
every other group.
They're so tiny.
The tallest member of stray kidsis 5'10.
And then they're standing nextto the boys where there's nobody
under six foot.
They look like Umpalumpus.
They're so tiny.
SPEAKER_01 (26:09):
My question, the reason I got into this is
because I find, especially oncode, their editing is so
bizarre when they cut thoseepisodes off.
I'm like, what's because they'recutting out stuff they don't
want us to see.
Oh, that's a whole otherconversation.
Yeah, but just, oh, come backnext week.
Yeah, I'll be there next week.
But why did you cut it rightthere?
And just on this, again, K-poptopic, I want you to know that I
(26:30):
panicked a little bit thismorning because one of my guys
dropped a new campaign thismorning, and my soul left my
body a little bit.
And I'm like, how am I supposedto go have a coherent
conversation after this?
How dare he do this morning?
It wasn't him.
What's a campaign?
Brand ambassador, new adcampaign.
SPEAKER_00 (26:51):
He's like a commercial?
Basically, yes.
Like Bad Bunny.
SPEAKER_01 (26:58):
I have a thing for Spanish dudes.
I love it.
I need you to go on the newCalvin Kine campaign.
SPEAKER_00 (27:06):
Oh, wait.
Is it the new Calvin Klein isyour guy?
SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
Okay, technically he's my wrecker, but he's one of
my boys.
He's her bias record.
SPEAKER_00 (27:16):
Yeah, he's my bias.
SPEAKER_01 (27:17):
Which I think is who was on the campaign?
Junk Hoop.
Oh, dude.
Is this guy?
That's Ming Yu, who's also oneof my guys.
Oh, okay.
Go to the Calvin Klein page, theCalvin Klein Instagram.
SPEAKER_02 (27:33):
I remember when that photo dropped and everybody lost
their minds because that waslike he was shirtless.
Yeah.
We all know how they feel aboutnipples in Korea.
Not even the men are allowed tohave them.
SPEAKER_01 (27:44):
They don't like nipples?
Did you say that there was a lawthat just got passed that
they're not allowed to runshirtless in public anymore?
That is insane.
Yes, you need to watch the videoon the motorcycle.
SPEAKER_02 (27:57):
Oh, dude, you should see W Korea just launched Leno's
campaign and he looks rightthere standing on.
Yes, he does.
Yes.
Yes, he does.
Well, there's really no uglyK-pop starts.
They don't allow it.
SPEAKER_01 (28:10):
But I have used the fact that there are like
Mulvaney adjacent people thatlove K-pop to my advantage
because I've definitely snucksome of my boys into posts on
Mulvaney me.
SPEAKER_02 (28:23):
Hey, everybody should appreciate them.
Listen, I've made Ever andShiloh K-pop fans and Calliope
so that I could sneak my love ofK-pop into Thank you for that.
Like I named all the chickensafter Stray Kids.
Calliope has chickens andthey're all named after stray
kids.
That didn't come from me.
That came from a real woman onTikTok who named all of her
(28:44):
chickens after stray kids.
And she has these videos whereshe's just like, Hajjan, put
down the tomato.
Bang Chan, stop eating thatapple.
SPEAKER_01 (28:53):
And I had reading them, like I think it was like
Bang Chen put down the avocadoor something.
I like I snorted so hard Ialmost choked.
Genius.
SPEAKER_02 (29:03):
What were you saying, Shannon?
Oh, you started to saysomething.
SPEAKER_00 (29:08):
I was looking at the Instagram of Calvin Klein of the
boys.
I don't know them.
SPEAKER_01 (29:12):
This is why photo cards get you.
We call them boy paper.
I have not actively sought outany photo cards.
I have a binder of the ones thathave come with things, but I
have not started activelyseeking them out.
I don't seek them out, they cometo me.
SPEAKER_02 (29:27):
So they come to me through albums to stay away from
that.
SPEAKER_01 (29:34):
Well, are you planning on writing more books?
I'm about 55% through book two.
It's the series.
About halfway through writingthe first one, I was like, oh, I
got more to tell here because Iwant to follow other members of
the group.
So yeah, once you have a group,you have to.
So we'll get there's three booksthat are in total, like about
(29:56):
halfway through the second one.
The third one is totally plannedout, already to Go there might
be a novella at some point, likeyou're hearing it at some point.
SPEAKER_02 (30:07):
Do a novella anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (30:09):
The great way to build your newsletter is
offering a newsletter because Idon't know how I feel because
you're too busy writing mine.
I didn't know if we were talkingabout that or not.
I don't care that people knowthat you write mine.
SPEAKER_02 (30:23):
I swear I know her when she created the account,
but now we know each otherreally well.
SPEAKER_00 (30:28):
And yes, now she is on the payroll.
Which and it's just easier tomerge her in if anything happens
to only come.
SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
Slide her right in.
Plug and play.
It's funny she sent me a videowhen I started doing the
newsletter that she meant tojust show me how to do a couple
things on there.
She was screen recording, butshe forgot she was doing it, and
I got almost like two hours ofOnly's live.
SPEAKER_00 (30:54):
Oh my god.
Did you?
Oh my god, that's a nightmarefuel for her.
Did you know this?
SPEAKER_01 (31:00):
No, you did know this because you apologized.
She's like, you're just gonnahave to deal with how long this
is, and my K-pop like backtrackmusic and whatever.
Oh my god.
Did you watch the whole thing?
I did not watch I'm the personthough.
If you're gonna do somethinglike that, I'm the person that
you want to do it with becauseI'm not gonna do anything with
(31:20):
it.
I'm just gonna be like, oh, andthen like Yeah, that's the
nightmare feel for her.
Hey, I know I know you'retexting the wrong person number,
and look, I haven't doneanything creepy in however many
years.
So I feel like my record ispristine.
I feel like she wouldn't evenwant to send it to me.
SPEAKER_00 (31:38):
I'm blood related to her.
What was that?
I said she wouldn't even want tosend me an accidental two-hour
video of her life, and we'velived together.
I'm literally blood related toher.
SPEAKER_01 (31:47):
Well, at some point, I feel like we just have the
group chat one night becausethis is great.
SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
Yeah, sure.
Maybe invite me over next timeyou guys get together.
Keeping that in.
SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
Mean girls.
Hey, I feel like I have noresponsibility in this.
I can't be inviting people tosomeone else's house, so this is
all on her.
SPEAKER_00 (32:06):
Oh, I know the code to the front door, baby.
I'll bust in there like theKool-Aid man, grab the babies,
put them on my hip, make myselfa sandwich, and go take a nap in
her bed.
Don't fuck around.
SPEAKER_02 (32:16):
Anytime somebody rings the doorbell and I know
she's coming, I'm like, what isshe doing?
unknown (32:20):
Like what?
SPEAKER_00 (32:21):
Sometimes they put that fuck ass chain on, and then
I feel stupid when I go to openthe door and it's like d-dunk.
And I'm like, oh, Shannon'scoming over, better put the
chain on.
SPEAKER_01 (32:34):
What'd you say?
I was just saying, I need you toknow that I still think about
your couch.
Um, oh my god.
I cannot tell you the amount oftimes that I oh god, that was a
good couch.
SPEAKER_00 (32:46):
I get all her leftovers, so don't compliment
her about it because I kind ofwant her to get a hair up her
ass to get rid of it.
It's terrible.
And she's way too lazy to sellit, even though she could get
like probably a thousand dollarsfor it.
She'll be like, Shannon, do youwant this fuck ass$10,000 couch?
And I'll be like, I guess.
If I have to.
Get the U-Haul! It's time.
Go move.
SPEAKER_02 (33:05):
How long did the stupid king-size bed sit in this
box before you came in?
Actually, I brought it to thebook.
SPEAKER_00 (33:13):
I can't even get him to fucking fix the towel rack.
This is now, this is now adomestic podcast.
Listen, this fuck ass man won'tdo shit kakadudu except for go
to work and shit.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding, I love you, Alex.
Cut this apart out.
SPEAKER_02 (33:29):
Now we know why Alex was so depressed when he called
earlier.
SPEAKER_01 (33:35):
I'm just sitting here and sip my literal tea, you
don't mind me.
SPEAKER_00 (33:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:40):
Oh, well, we're tell people where to find you.
SPEAKER_02 (33:44):
Tell people how they can find your books and stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (33:46):
Uh well, you can find me on Instagram.
I would love to have some morefollowers.
Mulvaney Media is great, butalso at Canyon King.
And my books are on Amazon andKU for now.
I will probably be hitting Ollieup here shortly to ask her some
questions about selling off ofAmazon.
Because there's a you need ashop manager?
(34:08):
Hey, I tried to pick you upearlier and I think you missed
it.
I was asking if I could havesome space in your garage.
SPEAKER_00 (34:16):
My whole garage is only space.
I'm garaged out.
SPEAKER_02 (34:19):
But once the unhinged boxes go out, actually
get what's funny is if I evenhint at getting a separate
space, she has a meltdown.
She does not want it to stay inher garage.
SPEAKER_00 (34:30):
Sometimes she tries to send people to help me, like
with the boxes and stuff.
And I'm like, get these peopleout of my house.
I'm gonna do it.
And I'll answer the emails aboutthe wait times.
Shannon at onlyjames.com.
SPEAKER_02 (34:42):
Yes.
The real way, the real holdup isjust Shannon wanting to
micromanage and do it herself.
It's not at all the fact that Ijust add things on at random at
the very end when we're almostready to ship.
We need to add one more thing tothe box.
I'm like, they just want thebox.
SPEAKER_00 (34:56):
I was so worried that everything I sent wasn't
gonna be good enough that I hadlike her thing is it's not good
enough.
It's never good enough.
She wants to add another thing.
I cut her off.
So if you ever think it's notgood enough, that's me and Molly
telling her, enough.
SPEAKER_02 (35:08):
And my accountant being like, Do you actually want
to make a profit off theseboxes?
SPEAKER_00 (35:12):
Or the star of the show here is they want the book.
SPEAKER_01 (35:16):
Well, I feel good that she gives me the thumbs up
on so many things.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (35:23):
Teach me K-pop, especially if you teach me K-pop
K-pop.
SPEAKER_01 (35:27):
But you I do need to stress though, and I guess if
there was one thing I was gonnado different about all of this,
you do not have to know anythingabout K-pop to read this.
You don't have to be a K-popfan.
And I feel like the title tripssome people up.
SPEAKER_02 (35:40):
But people can listen to K-pop demon hunters
and know nothing about K-pop.
They can read Teach Me K-popwith knowing nothing about it.
SPEAKER_01 (35:47):
But I I feel like though, that's one of those
things that if you're debatingand you don't know.
Maybe the premise is cute, but Idon't really want to do the
K-pop of it all.
I literally explain everythingyou need to know.
So you have the background.
SPEAKER_00 (35:57):
What is the premise?
Is this uh male mail?
SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
Is this a um a high school librarian who does um
language tutoring on the side?
His bestie works for one of theK-pop companies and hooks him up
with an idol to tutor, but hedoes not know that his student
is an idol at the time.
I love that.
SPEAKER_00 (36:18):
Kind of, yeah.
It is kind of like a secretcelebrity.
Yeah, and he falls in love withthem without knowing.
SPEAKER_01 (36:24):
He's definitely into him before he knows who he is.
People come and tell me, though,like in the DMs and stuff, which
is so much fun.
I love that.
That they're like, oh my gosh, Iread this, or I've just gotten
into K-pop through K-pop DemonHunters or whatever.
I feel some of these charactersin the book that are trying to
introduce our main guy to theworld of K-pop and how you fall
(36:44):
down the rabbit hole, and onceyou're in, that's it.
Soul consumed, you're done.
SPEAKER_02 (36:51):
The song Your Idol is, like I said, it's a double
for a reason because it'sexactly what happens when you
get into K-pop.
They take your soul, isn't thatall of a sudden?
SPEAKER_01 (36:59):
This is your life now.
SPEAKER_02 (37:01):
It really is.
SPEAKER_00 (37:03):
If you're looking for a new cult, ladies and
gentlemen, well hey, one of theBTS.
SPEAKER_01 (37:13):
He had the hat and the suit, everything, just
putting it out there.
SPEAKER_00 (37:17):
Right.
There's a lot of costumes aboutto come out.
SPEAKER_01 (37:20):
Oh my god, I think Halloween is just gonna be all I
saw.
SPEAKER_00 (37:24):
I just did a boobash at my kids' school.
So many classes miniatures, somany Hunter scrolls.
So honey.
I thought Harper, myfour-year-old, was gonna do it,
but then she fell in love withthis like gothic gown.
She said she's a dead zombiemermaid princess.
So, and I had to get fake blood,but I had to explain to her she
actually can't wear that toschool.
(37:45):
The fake blood.
I don't know what happened.
It was a crazy switch up.
It was a crazy switch up fromK-pop to zombie princess
mermaid.
Is it's her vision.
I trust a creative process.
SPEAKER_02 (37:56):
Shannon's afraid of her, so she's gonna get what she
wants.
SPEAKER_00 (37:59):
She is a scary.
SPEAKER_02 (38:00):
She's a tiny mob boss.
Yeah, and she has a Brooklynaccent for absolutely no reason
whatsoever.
SPEAKER_00 (38:08):
Yeah, yesterday.
I will.
Yesterday she showed mesomething and I said, Wow.
And she goes, Why wouldn't Ishow you things?
I don't like that.
Don't say wow anymore when Ishow you stuff.
Because you say it like wow.
I don't like that.
She's an Aquarius.
Said, okay, girl, maybe step upyour art game.
(38:29):
Don't call CPS.
Okay.
Maybe actually impress me.
Okay.
Well, I can tell you she saidsomething earlier with her
little her little accent.
Don't talk to me like that.
I don't know where the accentcomes from.
Don't talk to me like that.
You don't talk to me like that.
SPEAKER_01 (38:48):
She's ever been to Brooklyn.
SPEAKER_00 (38:52):
I have not.
I've been to Manhattan.
My dad's from New Jersey.
SPEAKER_02 (38:55):
Her father has never really interacted with Harper.
Like, like it's not.
SPEAKER_00 (38:59):
No, we're no contact.
We have no dads.
Well, my kids have a dad.
Our family podcast, our familygroups is called No Daddies,
Just Issues.
That's right.
No daddy's.
SPEAKER_01 (39:11):
Don't know if anybody else is gonna appreciate
this, but it's been great forme.
SPEAKER_00 (39:14):
I just spew randomness on here and then I
log out and then she has to dealwith it all.
But I I gotta ship her books andshit and answer the emails.
So, like, what do you want?
SPEAKER_02 (39:22):
I have to write a whole chapter before uh 8 30
tonight.
So rent is due, Bookie.
Rent is due.
All right, guys.
SPEAKER_00 (39:30):
Yeah.
See you next week.
Thanks for having me on.
Go read her book.
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