May 6, 2025 • 28 mins
"Entrepreneurship isn’t the easy way out—it’s the hardest path in."
This episode is a raw look at what it really takes to build and run a business. Joey and Drew break down the mental, emotional, and personal sacrifices that come with entrepreneurship—and why most people underestimate the weight of it.
You’ll hear honest insights from entrepreneurs who’ve lived it, including Trevor Cowley, Aaron Hinde, Connor McStravick, Pam Jordan, and Nick Salles. From discipline to burnout, mindset to mistakes, this is the conversation most people avoid—but every aspiring entrepreneur needs.
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Joey Bowen (00:00):
What's going on Eagles? I'm Joey. Welcome to the
Fuel Hunt Show. Since many ofthe few are entrepreneurs or
considering becomingentrepreneurs, we thought it
would be a great idea to go backthrough some of our previous
episodes and pull out somereally tactical advice about
starting and operating abusiness. We share everything
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from the brutal realities ofstarting and growing a business
to the importance of buildingsystems within your business.
And of course, impostorsyndrome, knowing your worth,
and why becoming the bestversion of yourself is always
good for business. It would meanthe world to Drew and me if you
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could leave the Fuel Hunt Show areview on Spotify or Apple
Podcasts. And make sure yousubscribe to the Fuel Hunt Show
on YouTube. Enjoy the episodeand let's hunt.
Trevor Cowley (00:56):
Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show.
Joey Bowen (00:59):
Entrepreneurship is not the solution. It's not a
solution, it's a problem. Andit's a big problem. And it's the
hardest problem that you willever introduce into your life. I
feel like nowadays, everybodylooks to entrepreneurship
because it's been glorified.
They look to it as a solution.It's a solution for their boss
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that they dislike. It's asolution for their shitty
schedule that they don't like,right? It's a solution for what
they believe the freedom thatthey don't have. It's a
solution.
So in reality, it's a bigproblem. Like when you bite the
bullet and become anentrepreneur, you are
introducing the hardest problem,the hardest challenge into your
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life. It's probably the hardestcareer path known to modern man
and woman, I would say. Right?Yeah.
I'm not saying that it won'tsolve your schedule. You know?
It won't solve the boss issue.It won't solve the freedom
issue. I'm not saying it won't,but the first thing, the hardest
truth you need to know is beforethere's any solutions, there's a
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big fucking problem thatpresents itself.
Drew Beech (02:09):
I agree. And like you said, it can't be your
escape or like your solution toyour problem because you're
going to just be presented witha lot more. Yep. On a day to day
basis, it's a it's what problemscan I solve?
Joey Bowen (02:22):
You know what I mean? Yep. Yeah. It takes and
you tell me how you feel aboutthis statement. Right?
I feel like entrepreneurshiptakes more than it gives,
especially in the early phases.And meaning it it takes more
from you than it gives to you.Like, you have to give 10 x just
to get two x back.
Drew Beech (02:42):
I might even disagree with that because I
feel like it takes even more inthe latter phases. You know what
I mean? Like like you alwayssay, like new levels, new
devils. Right?
Joey Bowen (02:52):
So
Drew Beech (02:52):
it gets almost things that have that were hard
for you in the beginning becomeeasier. Mhmm. But then new
things get harder.
Joey Bowen (03:00):
Yeah. That's the that's the whole paradox between
like, it's hard to start andachieve, but it's even harder to
keep it and maintain it. Right?
Drew Beech (03:08):
Yes. But with every day that passes though, like, it
it does grow easier and morerewarding. Like like, every day
you're doing the thing you loveto do Yep. It it fulfills you
more. Like, I I do truly believethat.
Joey Bowen (03:23):
Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. For sure. Yeah.
Drew Beech (03:24):
Trevor, we were just talking before we start kicked
it off, but you've been there,done that, built businesses.
You're out there doing the RBOthing, like, build a podcast. A
lot of people in the Fuquacommunity are looking to get
where you are or where theybelieve you are. And we've
talked about that too, just howthe grind is a grind. If you can
Trevor Cowley (03:46):
wish for. Be careful about, you know, the
expectation you have in terms ofwhat you wish for because the
problem is is, yeah, you wantthe result, but there's an
exchange that needs to be madein order for that result to
happen. I just don't thinkpeople understand how brutal of
a process that exchange is inorder to receive what it is that
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you think that you want.Obviously, people have heard,
hey, man, if I really do whatthis process would have been
like going into it, you know, Iprobably wouldn't have started
the business or I wouldn't havedone what I have done. But it's
not like that they would changeanything.
It's just the version of them onday one that started their
business. If they saw what theywould have had to go through on
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year two, three, four, five,they wouldn't have been mentally
prepared to go through thebrutality of building a
business. And so that's why theprocess is so perfect and so
beautiful is because it doesmold you and continue to prepare
you for the next step and thenext step and the next step. And
so I definitely super gratefulfor the process and everything
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that I've been able to build andthe success that I've had. But
to say that, you know, it's easyor act like that there's, you
know, it's it's roses orsunshine like, dude, man,
there's a lot of dark days.
There's a lot of dark days, asyou guys know. I mean, it's when
they say it's a grind. I mean, Iknow it's, you know, we're in
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the hustle culture and grindsounds cool. But having it sound
cool and what it feels like whenyou're going through it, there's
a big disconnect. And I thinkthat, we need to do better about
exposing really the truth ofwhat the process is.
And that's why I'm a bigbeliever in self improvement and
creating an individual that'sactually capable of surviving
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what you're going to have tosurvive when you're building a
business. And so most peoplewant to focus on the business
and the revenue and the funstuff in terms of, you know, the
trucks or the cars or thehouses. And, you know, that's
really where their focus is whenin reality, you're not going to
ever receive those things if youcan't make it through the
process. And the thing that hasto make it through the process
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is you. Right?
Exactly. Developing yourself,you you might get to the point
where it becomes so brutal thatyou quit. And so I give somebody
the perfect game plan and say,hey, here's how you get there.
But when they're going throughthe process, it doesn't matter
if they know how to get there ifthey can't bear the stress, the
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struggle, the exhaustion, thesecond guessing. If you can't go
through that, then it doesn'tmatter how thought out the plan
is.
It's making it through the toughdays and that's why this thing
has to be on lock, right? Ithink
Joey Bowen (06:45):
a lot of people, they quickly find out that they
can't build their business ortheir best business if they
don't build their best self.They find that out quickly. And
a lot of people tap out becausethey don't want to make that
exchange because it's no longerfun. They have to look in the
deep dark crevices of themselvesto make themselves the best
version, the most productiveversion, the most energetic
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version, the most givingversion, so that their business
can be built.
Trevor Cowley (07:11):
Well, I mean, let's think about it, right?
Like, let's look at aprofessional athlete, for
instance, right? So if you're onif you're on a basketball team
or a football team, everybody'sshowing up to practice and
everybody's showing up to thegames. That's not where you're
really separating yourself.Where you're really separating
yourself is the work that you'redoing outside of practice, the
work that you're doing outoutside of the games.
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And so we're talking toentrepreneurs right now. So they
think that, hey, they'regrinding, they're putting in a
good day's work at the office orat the job site or whatever it
is. The real progress is madewhen you're doing things away
from the office or away from thejob, developing yourself so that
when you do show up to theoffice or you do show up to the
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job site, that you're showing upa better version of yourself or
an athlete showing up topractice better. So therefore,
they show up to the game better.And so there's this this lie
that just because you show upfor eight hours or ten hours or
twelve hours doing the actualthing that you should be
receiving a massive result whenin reality you're just showing
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up doing the thing as the sameversion of you that wasn't good
enough to get the result thatyou wanted the day before.
So therefore, you're going tocontinue to have the same
results over and over and over.And that's why people experience
year two, three, four, five,eight, nine, 10, and they're
bottlenecked. And they are thebottleneck, and they make a
hundred grand a year for therest of their life or $200 a
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year for the rest of their life.They're not developing
themselves outside of the workthat they actually have to do to
maintain the result that they'recurrently experiencing.
Aaron Hinde (08:45):
There's something to be said about burning the
ships at the shore. I mean, whenyou're backed into a corner, you
gotta do what you gotta do.Comfort is the the enemy of
success. You know? It's likepeople are like, oh, I wanna do
this and that.
And it's like, but they alreadygot a nice house and they got a
nice cushy job. Like you won'tfind many entrepreneurs that
shift over from like nice highpaying comfortable positions. It
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rarely happens. Usually it'slike even Elon after richest man
in the world by a long shot,even after his PayPal payout, I
mean, he got to a point wherehe's so overleveraged and put
all his money in these threestartups has to borrow a couple
hundred grand from his in lawsjust to be able to to Mhmm. Pay
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for his living expenses andstuff.
I mean, talk about being backedinto a corner. Like, that's big
time.
Drew Beech (09:35):
Yeah. I I actually had written down here comfort. I
heard you say before comfort isthe enemy of entrepreneurship. I
mean I know Rama Rama personallyyour wife but I mean I can only
imagine that. I do believe thatthe person you pick as your
partner determines where yourlife will go.
So she was she always like whenyou're like I'm gonna figure
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this out she was always on boardand always had your back? I can
only imagine she was.
Aaron Hinde (10:00):
She was always supportive and even more so like
I'm and you know men andespecially fathers, we just
don't get enough credit. And Ithink that's starting to change
a bit. We don't get enoughcredit for the burden that we
carry. Not only the burden ofthe obvious, but the mental
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burden too, of the pressure thatwe put on ourselves to live our
version of success and to be arole model for our kids and to
provide and all of these things,like that pressure is real and
it's heavy. She would alwaystake, my favorite quote of hers
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that she said to me many, many,many times that I need to be
reminded of probably weekly isshe always says, look, it all
works out in the end and if ithasn't worked out, it's not the
end.
That's her philosophy, it's verysimple, but it's very effective
it's like, it's the journey,we're on the journey and the
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more I like started gettinginto, you know, self help and
reading and all this stuff, Imean, I love, you know, some
people love or hate Tony. I loveTony. It's like, you know, Tony
always says, life is happeningto you. I'm sorry, life is
happening for you, not to you.Right?
Not a victim of life. It'shappening for us. The challenges
are there specifically for ourability to overcome them and
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become a better version ofourself. And that's my only
desire for myself is to be thebest version of myself. Like
literally, I wanna be the bestversion of myself and I know
where I'm deficient, it's likeputting energy and time there to
become the version of myselfthat I was intended to be.
That the version of myself thatmy wife knows that I can become,
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that I know I can become, that Iwanna be the best version for my
kids and and from my businessand all of that. Yep.
Connor McStravick (12:00):
Being an entrepreneur, like, it's a very
hard life.
Joey Bowen (12:04):
Mhmm.
Connor McStravick (12:04):
And we get very few moments in time where
it's like, we actually, like,like, oh, yeah. This is it.
Yeah. You know? Everything elseis just grind.
Yeah. Grind. Grind. Stress. Youknow?
Pressure. Mhmm. So, like, tryingto carve out that time for
gratitude, in my opinion, issuper important. Yeah. Because,
like, you can get lost and,like, not realize that how far
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you've come in such a shortamount of time.
Aaron Hinde (12:29):
And Yeah.
Drew Beech (12:30):
I do have a few so I think Elon Musk said it, but
entrepreneurship is like chewingglass and staring into the
abyss. That is so true. Yeah.But I think gratitude is such a
an important part of theentrepreneurial journey because,
like you said, you need thatreminder. You gotta, like,
you'll never get through thethings you're gonna have to go
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through as an entrepreneurwithout it, without remaining
grateful.
So, like, my new a quote Ipicked up from somewhere was,
you can't have a bad day whenyou're breathing. Yeah. And I've
been saying that nonstop. Like,once a I forget where we heard
it, but a man once a man I heardit, she was like, you're never
gonna stop saying that. And Iwas like, that's so true.
Because that
Connor McStravick (13:08):
That's funny.
Drew Beech (13:08):
Literally is my is my I
Connor McStravick (13:10):
actually just saw a funny one, like, making
fun entrepreneurs. Like, the guywakes up, I just took an ice
bath. Yeah. Posted on socialmedia five times.
Joey Bowen (13:18):
Yeah. It's a
Connor McStravick (13:18):
great day to alive.
Drew Beech (13:19):
Yeah. There was a video. Probably was.
Joey Bowen (13:22):
Yeah. It's there's a real interesting dichotomy.
Right? Like, you said I think,Drew, you had asked. You're
like, did you ever look back?
Like, when you had that moment,did you ever look back? And
you're like, no. From thatmoment forward, like, I was So
there's this like dichotomy oflike, you can't look back, but
then you have to look back. Likethe further you get down the
road because otherwise, if youdon't look backwards, you can't
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be grateful. Like you can't seewhere you came from.
You know what I mean? So there'slike that delicate balance every
day of, like, you know, havingto look backwards, but then also
having to stay focused on the,you know, the future goal
forward ahead of you.
Drew Beech (13:55):
And, again, we were talking about how
entrepreneurship levels you upjust in general. But
Joey Bowen (14:01):
If you choose to level.
Drew Beech (14:02):
You're rarely gonna find an entrepreneur that's that
gets upset about the temperatureof their coffee. You know what
mean? Like, dumbass shit typepeople get upset about nowadays.
Like, because, like, like, orI'll drink a cold coffee if I
Connor McStravick (14:15):
got it.
Drew Beech (14:15):
Exactly. But, like, dumb shit, like, like, little
little inconveniences that thatthat get normal people in a
tizzy really just isn't gonnahappen for an entrepreneur
because, one, we have way toomuch others with even care about
the temperature of the coffee.And secondly, you through that,
those trials and tribulations,you develop that gratitude that
makes you, oh, my coffee's cold.Well, at least I have coffee to
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drink. Yeah.
You know what mean? Like thatperspective.
Joey Bowen (14:40):
But I was out eating the other day, and they brought
me the complete wrong meal, andI just ate it. Like, I didn't
say anything. Like, it wasn'tlike, know? I didn't look at the
price and say, is this is thiswas this more than that? Or,
like, I was really in the moodfor my, you know, avocado toast.
Like, the meal came out, and Iwas just like, I'm just gonna
eat this. Like, it doesn't evenmatter what's got bigger fish to
fry.
Drew Beech (15:00):
Went to a a restaurant with my Italian
bistro. Yeah.
Joey Bowen (15:04):
It's hype. On the bullfart? Yeah. It's not there
anymore.
Connor McStravick (15:07):
Yeah. At the bullfart.
Drew Beech (15:08):
I ordered a veal parm, but they and my grandpa
ordered a eggplant parm, and butthey swapped us, like and I
didn't know. And they were like,oh, like, how do
Joey Bowen (15:18):
like eggplant? Eggplant's good.
Drew Beech (15:18):
And I was like, I don't like eggplant. Ew. I would
never eat that. I just I justhouse the whole thing. That's
funny.
A lot of our listeners are sidehustle entrepreneurs. Right?
There are a lot of people andthe few that want to be their
own boss
Pam Jordan (15:31):
Right.
Drew Beech (15:31):
Get the like, achieve freedom through
financial freedom, freedom oftime, freedom of relationships
that we always talk about. Butyeah. So maybe some tips or,
like, things you did to getstarted for them would be great.
Pam Jordan (15:45):
Yeah. So let me start with some, you know,
blunders that I made early onthat I see a lot of people
making. One is not valuingyourself enough and not charging
enough early on my how I chargefor my services is comical
compared to it is now likecomical, comical. So I just
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started out and almost wasapologizing to people, be like,
Hey, I can help you. Do you wanthelp?
Sorry, it costs a little bit ofmoney. And I see entrepreneurs
do that all the time wherethey're like, Oh, by the way, I
can solve this problem for you.It's like $500. Is that okay?
Like you're almost apologizing.
And so that was something thatvery early on, I had to work
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through and be like, no, youknow what? I know my stuff. I
bring value. This is what I'mworth. Are you in or out?
And so it was an evolution forme to be confident in what I was
and get a couple wins under mybelt of like, dude, I just did
that. Like that company's valuewent up $1,200,000 because of
what I did. Like this matters.So that's a huge mistake that I
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did early on and also is nothaving a structure around what I
was performing. And I know youguys see this all the time.
You've got buddies that arelike, oh, I wanna start my own
business. Oh, great. And theyjust like sell this, that,
everything. They have nopackages. They have no clarity.
They have no process. They'rejust selling anything just to
put food on the table. Right?And at the get, that's fine, but
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there's a very short runwaywhere you need to get your crap
together, and you need to figureout like, this is what I do,
these are my services, these aremy products, this is what it
costs, and then rinse and repeatthat, right? Like it doesn't
matter what Chick fil A you goto, the fries are gonna be like
bomb, right?
It's because there is a one wayto make Chick fil A french
fries, and you need to, in yourbusiness, figure that out. And
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early on, I was doing I wastrying to be all things to all
people. So someone would come tome with a cash flow problem. Oh,
can solve that. Oh, you've got asales problem.
I got I can solve that. Oh, youknow, profit isn't where you
want. Oh, I can figure that out.Oh, marketing? Sure.
I can build a funnel. Right?Like, no, I can't. Yeah. You
know?
And so that was definitely earlylessons, for me of, like, really
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honing in what was my skill set,what was I good at, and what was
my value that I was bringing topeople.
Joey Bowen (18:03):
Yeah. That'll that'll really resonate with a
few with the members of ourcommunity because they're rooted
those two things are rooted insomething everybody two things
everybody struggles with. Ithink it's like a bit of a
posture syndrome, right? When inthe beginning, you're like,
you're apologizing for whatyou're charging or you're
undercutting yourself. You know,there's that, am I really that
person question that your brainkeeps running through, you know?
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So, the impostor syndrome andthen the second thing is really
like a scarcity mindset which weall kind of battle with, right?
Because you don't want to say noto something that could
potentially bring money in toput food on the table. So, you
find yourself doing everythingand when you do that, you're
pretty much good at nothing,Right?
Pam Jordan (18:45):
%.
Drew Beech (18:46):
Imagine sacrifice seems to be I've just picked up
on something that you and Dannysay a lot. Yeah. Could you tell
us in the community, like, howthat plays in the movement are
and and your guys' mindset?
Nick Salles (18:57):
Oh, yeah. I mean, Imagine Sacrifice is kinda like
a mantra we've been kindarepeating to ourselves since,
like, the beginning. And maybeif not those words, like, other
iterations, like, similarsentiments to that even before
we met each other, me and Danny.Because, since the beginning, we
all have doubtful thoughts inour minds telling us like, is
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this worth pursuing? Is itpossible?
Is it even possible? Are youwasting your time? And that's
something that took me a longtime to shake out of my mind.
Like basically up until likelate Brown Belt, I had these
doubtful thoughts, you know, notso much anymore because you find
a way to be confident in thethings that you do by chasing
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passion and seeing the resultsin the people around you. You
know, I find confidence inknowing that the people around
me are benefiting from what I'mdoing.
That gives me confidence. It'snot like this false sense of
security. I see the results. Butyeah, I mean, there was a time,
right? And I'm sure you guysheard the story about, you know,
us opening up a gym duringCOVID.
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And that was a time where a lotof people were doubtful. A lot
of people online weredisparaging us. You know, I had
even, you know, my familytelling me like, are you sure
you want to do this? This is notthe best time to do it, not the
Trevor Cowley (20:12):
best thing to do at this particular time,
Nick Salles (20:14):
you know? It wasn't like people were chomping at the
bits to do a close contact sport
Joey Bowen (20:20):
Yeah.
Nick Salles (20:21):
When there was, like, this infection or virus.
Drew Beech (20:23):
I didn't even think of that.
Nick Salles (20:24):
Yeah. Yeah.
Drew Beech (20:25):
Yeah. So like, this is hard enough. What? So, yeah.
Joey Bowen (20:27):
You can make the argument that, like, maybe it's
not the best time or maybe it isthe best time.
Nick Salles (20:31):
Maybe it well, and there's only one way to find
out. Right?
Joey Bowen (20:34):
So They're doing.
Nick Salles (20:34):
We gambled on the possibility that it was the best
time, like you just mentioned.And, you know, it worked out.
But it goes back to the idea ofyou imagine this idea, you
execute it, and that's thesacrifice, right? Like, I think
at the time, me and Danny hadliterally the exact amount it
would take to purchase the thebusiness that was selling during
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the pandemic. It was it was amartial arts facility that was
closing down.
They were doing like jujitsu,MMA, CrossFit, all that stuff.
Drew Beech (21:08):
Everything.
Nick Salles (21:09):
And they were just like, you know, let's just sell
the business. And literally, itworked out perfectly. The the
exact amount we had in our bankaccounts was the amount it would
take us to just get in the doorsand just start this operation.
And so to kind of just put ourwhole life savings on the line
for this imagination, this idea,like, that's a huge sacrifice,
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you know. At the time, I thinkwe were just like so excited,
but looking back, I'm like, ohmy god.
That's crazy.
Drew Beech (21:35):
You know? Like It was just just to even underscore
how aligned we are actually.Like, we have a similar vision,
intention, action. Like, that'swhat the three things, like,
basically the same exact.Literally.
Yeah.
Joey Bowen (21:47):
It is easier now than it ever has been to create
your own life, to
Connor McStravick (21:55):
turn
Joey Bowen (21:55):
your passion into the project that pays you. Mhmm.
It's easier. Mhmm. So if it's soeasy and the tools are freely
available and the knowledge isfreely available, question for
you, why don't more people do
Drew Beech (22:09):
it? So the first S. Looking for a specific answer or
are you? Yeah. Because it'sbecause
Joey Bowen (22:18):
it's first s. Yeah. You can
Drew Beech (22:20):
you can yeah. You're saying because of the story they
tell themselves. Yes. I thoughtyou were looking for, me to give
my reasoning. I was gonna sayYeah.
I mean, the few it might be tothe few it might be the story
they tell themselves, but to thelike you said, other people
Yeah. It's realistically they'rejust consuming and being and
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being lazy.
Joey Bowen (22:42):
Yeah. Well, I think the two are kind of related.
Right? Because I think you haveto have a certain level of
awareness like the few have torealize that it's actually the
story. And that's why you'relazy.
In other words, you don'tbelieve in yourself enough to
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take the steps required torewrite that story of that
limiting belief. So instead ofcreating, you're consuming. You
know what I'm saying? Yeah.Yeah.
So I really think that that'sthe and that's why you know it's
the first S for me when I satdown and I thought about this
like, you have to rewrite yourstory. The tools are there for
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you to do this. It is possible.There are literally thousands
upon thousands of examples.We're one of them.
Drew Beech (23:32):
Yeah.
Joey Bowen (23:34):
You first need to rewrite the story you're telling
yourself. It could be somelimiting belief you have that
you don't deserve it, you're notsmart enough, you're not some
story someone told you when youwere a kid that's still rattling
around in your nervous system,right? You need to release that,
heal that. I realize that's awhole another topic, but that
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work needs to be done
Drew Beech (23:57):
Yep.
Joey Bowen (23:58):
Because that is what unleashes you
Drew Beech (24:01):
Mhmm.
Joey Bowen (24:01):
To ultimately do what you wanna do.
Drew Beech (24:05):
Hey. You gotta believe in yourself more than
anybody else does, especiallywhen starting.
Joey Bowen (24:08):
Yes.
Drew Beech (24:09):
Delusional self belief.
Joey Bowen (24:10):
Yes. Here's here's another thing though. Right?
When you're rewriting thatstory, and obviously that story
varies for people, you know, itcan be very traumatic. Right?
It can be a little bit lesstraumatic where it's, you know,
I don't know. Let's just saythere's varying degrees of it,
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okay? You hit on a word, yousaid belief. Regardless of the
story, and how deep the traumais, sometimes you need to
believe in someone else's beliefin you before you can believe in
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yourself. And I think that thefew will hunt community is that
for a lot of people.
Mhmm. Because we believe in thefew. No matter where you're at
on your journey, we see not youas you are, but you as you could
(25:16):
be and who you should be. Andthat sometimes helps you rewrite
that story more than anythingelse, that community support,
you know? Yeah.
So lean into and speaking to thefew, like lean into the
community for that belief ifyou're having trouble believing
(25:36):
yourself that you're capable ofit.
Drew Beech (25:38):
Yeah. I think what we do best, especially with the
content we put out on social,email, SMS, is that we let you
know and assure you that thepower that you're looking for to
to achieve what you want toachieve and become what you want
to become is already inside you.
Joey Bowen (25:58):
Mhmm. Yep.
Drew Beech (25:59):
And I think that's what we do best for our
community. One of the things wedo best for our community.
Joey Bowen (26:05):
Yeah. I think it's because we see people not as
they are. We see them as whatthey could be. And that's rare
nowadays. With attention spansbeing three seconds, everybody
sees the book for the cover, notthe knowledge that's inside.
Drew Beech (26:19):
Exactly. And that's what we did for ourselves.
Right? Like, being in in ourmain gig or our previous full
time jobs, a lot of peopledoubted us and never even
thought we were ever going tobecome anything. And we had to
take that criticism and feedbackand channel it
Joey Bowen (26:40):
Mhmm.
Drew Beech (26:41):
And believe in ourselves almost to a delusional
point. Mhmm. Because at thebeginning when we were hanging
eagle flags on our office doors,it was weird. Right? But now
when that eagle that same eagleflag is flying across in offices
all across the country, offices,gyms, boardrooms, whatever,
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across the the the world or thecountry, it doesn't seem that
crazy anymore.
Joey Bowen (27:09):
Yep. We were you're taking this exactly where I
wanted to go. We are we are thefounding members of the few.
Right? So the limiting beliefsthat I had that were slowing me
down and trying to convince methat we couldn't do this Mhmm.
(27:29):
I believed in your belief in meYeah. To rewrite those and vice
versa.
Drew Beech (27:34):
Yeah.
Joey Bowen (27:34):
Right?
Drew Beech (27:35):
And that and we could even this could be an
entrepreneur cop podcast, butlike partner having a partner.
Joey Bowen (27:40):
Yes.
Drew Beech (27:40):
It almost made it easier. Well, it did make it
easier. Like, that's the like,one of the best parts of having
you as a partner is it's it madeit, like, knew you always had my
back. I always had yours. So,like, where we were we were
flying wherever we were flyingin the industry, we were flying
together.
Joey Bowen (27:59):
Yes. So that's exactly where I'm going with the
story. Took us a little bit toget there. We we chopped it up a
little bit, but that limitingbelief, that story that you're
telling yourself that's keepingyou from taking the steps and
using all the freely availabletools to monetize your skills or
turn your side hustle into yourmain gig, that story needs to be
rewritten. And the best way todo it is to lean into your
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people.
Yeah. Find a partner. Find acommunity. Yeah. And those that
are listening and watching thethe show, it just so happens now
we have a large community thatthey can lean into.
And you have to believe inothers belief in you before you
can believe in yourself.
What's going on Eagles? I'm Joey. Welcome to the
Fuel Hunt Show. Since many ofthe few are entrepreneurs or
considering becomingentrepreneurs, we thought it
would be a great idea to go backthrough some of our previous
episodes and pull out somereally tactical advice about
starting and operating abusiness. We share everything
(00:21):
from the brutal realities ofstarting and growing a business
to the importance of buildingsystems within your business.
And of course, impostorsyndrome, knowing your worth,
and why becoming the bestversion of yourself is always
good for business. It would meanthe world to Drew and me if you
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could leave the Fuel Hunt Show areview on Spotify or Apple
Podcasts. And make sure yousubscribe to the Fuel Hunt Show
on YouTube. Enjoy the episodeand let's hunt.
Trevor Cowley (00:56):
Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show.
Joey Bowen (00:59):
Entrepreneurship is not the solution. It's not a
solution, it's a problem. Andit's a big problem. And it's the
hardest problem that you willever introduce into your life. I
feel like nowadays, everybodylooks to entrepreneurship
because it's been glorified.
They look to it as a solution.It's a solution for their boss
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that they dislike. It's asolution for their shitty
schedule that they don't like,right? It's a solution for what
they believe the freedom thatthey don't have. It's a
solution.
So in reality, it's a bigproblem. Like when you bite the
bullet and become anentrepreneur, you are
introducing the hardest problem,the hardest challenge into your
(01:44):
life. It's probably the hardestcareer path known to modern man
and woman, I would say. Right?Yeah.
I'm not saying that it won'tsolve your schedule. You know?
It won't solve the boss issue.It won't solve the freedom
issue. I'm not saying it won't,but the first thing, the hardest
truth you need to know is beforethere's any solutions, there's a
(02:07):
big fucking problem thatpresents itself.
Drew Beech (02:09):
I agree. And like you said, it can't be your
escape or like your solution toyour problem because you're
going to just be presented witha lot more. Yep. On a day to day
basis, it's a it's what problemscan I solve?
Joey Bowen (02:22):
You know what I mean? Yep. Yeah. It takes and
you tell me how you feel aboutthis statement. Right?
I feel like entrepreneurshiptakes more than it gives,
especially in the early phases.And meaning it it takes more
from you than it gives to you.Like, you have to give 10 x just
to get two x back.
Drew Beech (02:42):
I might even disagree with that because I
feel like it takes even more inthe latter phases. You know what
I mean? Like like you alwayssay, like new levels, new
devils. Right?
Joey Bowen (02:52):
So
Drew Beech (02:52):
it gets almost things that have that were hard
for you in the beginning becomeeasier. Mhmm. But then new
things get harder.
Joey Bowen (03:00):
Yeah. That's the that's the whole paradox between
like, it's hard to start andachieve, but it's even harder to
keep it and maintain it. Right?
Drew Beech (03:08):
Yes. But with every day that passes though, like, it
it does grow easier and morerewarding. Like like, every day
you're doing the thing you loveto do Yep. It it fulfills you
more. Like, I I do truly believethat.
Joey Bowen (03:23):
Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. For sure. Yeah.
Drew Beech (03:24):
Trevor, we were just talking before we start kicked
it off, but you've been there,done that, built businesses.
You're out there doing the RBOthing, like, build a podcast. A
lot of people in the Fuquacommunity are looking to get
where you are or where theybelieve you are. And we've
talked about that too, just howthe grind is a grind. If you can
Trevor Cowley (03:46):
wish for. Be careful about, you know, the
expectation you have in terms ofwhat you wish for because the
problem is is, yeah, you wantthe result, but there's an
exchange that needs to be madein order for that result to
happen. I just don't thinkpeople understand how brutal of
a process that exchange is inorder to receive what it is that
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you think that you want.Obviously, people have heard,
hey, man, if I really do whatthis process would have been
like going into it, you know, Iprobably wouldn't have started
the business or I wouldn't havedone what I have done. But it's
not like that they would changeanything.
It's just the version of them onday one that started their
business. If they saw what theywould have had to go through on
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year two, three, four, five,they wouldn't have been mentally
prepared to go through thebrutality of building a
business. And so that's why theprocess is so perfect and so
beautiful is because it doesmold you and continue to prepare
you for the next step and thenext step and the next step. And
so I definitely super gratefulfor the process and everything
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that I've been able to build andthe success that I've had. But
to say that, you know, it's easyor act like that there's, you
know, it's it's roses orsunshine like, dude, man,
there's a lot of dark days.
There's a lot of dark days, asyou guys know. I mean, it's when
they say it's a grind. I mean, Iknow it's, you know, we're in
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the hustle culture and grindsounds cool. But having it sound
cool and what it feels like whenyou're going through it, there's
a big disconnect. And I thinkthat, we need to do better about
exposing really the truth ofwhat the process is.
And that's why I'm a bigbeliever in self improvement and
creating an individual that'sactually capable of surviving
(05:40):
what you're going to have tosurvive when you're building a
business. And so most peoplewant to focus on the business
and the revenue and the funstuff in terms of, you know, the
trucks or the cars or thehouses. And, you know, that's
really where their focus is whenin reality, you're not going to
ever receive those things if youcan't make it through the
process. And the thing that hasto make it through the process
(06:02):
is you. Right?
Exactly. Developing yourself,you you might get to the point
where it becomes so brutal thatyou quit. And so I give somebody
the perfect game plan and say,hey, here's how you get there.
But when they're going throughthe process, it doesn't matter
if they know how to get there ifthey can't bear the stress, the
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struggle, the exhaustion, thesecond guessing. If you can't go
through that, then it doesn'tmatter how thought out the plan
is.
It's making it through the toughdays and that's why this thing
has to be on lock, right? Ithink
Joey Bowen (06:45):
a lot of people, they quickly find out that they
can't build their business ortheir best business if they
don't build their best self.They find that out quickly. And
a lot of people tap out becausethey don't want to make that
exchange because it's no longerfun. They have to look in the
deep dark crevices of themselvesto make themselves the best
version, the most productiveversion, the most energetic
(07:07):
version, the most givingversion, so that their business
can be built.
Trevor Cowley (07:11):
Well, I mean, let's think about it, right?
Like, let's look at aprofessional athlete, for
instance, right? So if you're onif you're on a basketball team
or a football team, everybody'sshowing up to practice and
everybody's showing up to thegames. That's not where you're
really separating yourself.Where you're really separating
yourself is the work that you'redoing outside of practice, the
work that you're doing outoutside of the games.
(07:33):
And so we're talking toentrepreneurs right now. So they
think that, hey, they'regrinding, they're putting in a
good day's work at the office orat the job site or whatever it
is. The real progress is madewhen you're doing things away
from the office or away from thejob, developing yourself so that
when you do show up to theoffice or you do show up to the
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job site, that you're showing upa better version of yourself or
an athlete showing up topractice better. So therefore,
they show up to the game better.And so there's this this lie
that just because you show upfor eight hours or ten hours or
twelve hours doing the actualthing that you should be
receiving a massive result whenin reality you're just showing
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up doing the thing as the sameversion of you that wasn't good
enough to get the result thatyou wanted the day before.
So therefore, you're going tocontinue to have the same
results over and over and over.And that's why people experience
year two, three, four, five,eight, nine, 10, and they're
bottlenecked. And they are thebottleneck, and they make a
hundred grand a year for therest of their life or $200 a
(08:36):
year for the rest of their life.They're not developing
themselves outside of the workthat they actually have to do to
maintain the result that they'recurrently experiencing.
Aaron Hinde (08:45):
There's something to be said about burning the
ships at the shore. I mean, whenyou're backed into a corner, you
gotta do what you gotta do.Comfort is the the enemy of
success. You know? It's likepeople are like, oh, I wanna do
this and that.
And it's like, but they alreadygot a nice house and they got a
nice cushy job. Like you won'tfind many entrepreneurs that
shift over from like nice highpaying comfortable positions. It
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rarely happens. Usually it'slike even Elon after richest man
in the world by a long shot,even after his PayPal payout, I
mean, he got to a point wherehe's so overleveraged and put
all his money in these threestartups has to borrow a couple
hundred grand from his in lawsjust to be able to to Mhmm. Pay
(09:29):
for his living expenses andstuff.
I mean, talk about being backedinto a corner. Like, that's big
time.
Drew Beech (09:35):
Yeah. I I actually had written down here comfort. I
heard you say before comfort isthe enemy of entrepreneurship. I
mean I know Rama Rama personallyyour wife but I mean I can only
imagine that. I do believe thatthe person you pick as your
partner determines where yourlife will go.
So she was she always like whenyou're like I'm gonna figure
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this out she was always on boardand always had your back? I can
only imagine she was.
Aaron Hinde (10:00):
She was always supportive and even more so like
I'm and you know men andespecially fathers, we just
don't get enough credit. And Ithink that's starting to change
a bit. We don't get enoughcredit for the burden that we
carry. Not only the burden ofthe obvious, but the mental
(10:24):
burden too, of the pressure thatwe put on ourselves to live our
version of success and to be arole model for our kids and to
provide and all of these things,like that pressure is real and
it's heavy. She would alwaystake, my favorite quote of hers
(10:45):
that she said to me many, many,many times that I need to be
reminded of probably weekly isshe always says, look, it all
works out in the end and if ithasn't worked out, it's not the
end.
That's her philosophy, it's verysimple, but it's very effective
it's like, it's the journey,we're on the journey and the
(11:08):
more I like started gettinginto, you know, self help and
reading and all this stuff, Imean, I love, you know, some
people love or hate Tony. I loveTony. It's like, you know, Tony
always says, life is happeningto you. I'm sorry, life is
happening for you, not to you.Right?
Not a victim of life. It'shappening for us. The challenges
are there specifically for ourability to overcome them and
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become a better version ofourself. And that's my only
desire for myself is to be thebest version of myself. Like
literally, I wanna be the bestversion of myself and I know
where I'm deficient, it's likeputting energy and time there to
become the version of myselfthat I was intended to be.
That the version of myself thatmy wife knows that I can become,
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that I know I can become, that Iwanna be the best version for my
kids and and from my businessand all of that. Yep.
Connor McStravick (12:00):
Being an entrepreneur, like, it's a very
hard life.
Joey Bowen (12:04):
Mhmm.
Connor McStravick (12:04):
And we get very few moments in time where
it's like, we actually, like,like, oh, yeah. This is it.
Yeah. You know? Everything elseis just grind.
Yeah. Grind. Grind. Stress. Youknow?
Pressure. Mhmm. So, like, tryingto carve out that time for
gratitude, in my opinion, issuper important. Yeah. Because,
like, you can get lost and,like, not realize that how far
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you've come in such a shortamount of time.
Aaron Hinde (12:29):
And Yeah.
Drew Beech (12:30):
I do have a few so I think Elon Musk said it, but
entrepreneurship is like chewingglass and staring into the
abyss. That is so true. Yeah.But I think gratitude is such a
an important part of theentrepreneurial journey because,
like you said, you need thatreminder. You gotta, like,
you'll never get through thethings you're gonna have to go
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through as an entrepreneurwithout it, without remaining
grateful.
So, like, my new a quote Ipicked up from somewhere was,
you can't have a bad day whenyou're breathing. Yeah. And I've
been saying that nonstop. Like,once a I forget where we heard
it, but a man once a man I heardit, she was like, you're never
gonna stop saying that. And Iwas like, that's so true.
Because that
Connor McStravick (13:08):
That's funny.
Drew Beech (13:08):
Literally is my is my I
Connor McStravick (13:10):
actually just saw a funny one, like, making
fun entrepreneurs. Like, the guywakes up, I just took an ice
bath. Yeah. Posted on socialmedia five times.
Joey Bowen (13:18):
Yeah. It's a
Connor McStravick (13:18):
great day to alive.
Drew Beech (13:19):
Yeah. There was a video. Probably was.
Joey Bowen (13:22):
Yeah. It's there's a real interesting dichotomy.
Right? Like, you said I think,Drew, you had asked. You're
like, did you ever look back?
Like, when you had that moment,did you ever look back? And
you're like, no. From thatmoment forward, like, I was So
there's this like dichotomy oflike, you can't look back, but
then you have to look back. Likethe further you get down the
road because otherwise, if youdon't look backwards, you can't
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be grateful. Like you can't seewhere you came from.
You know what I mean? So there'slike that delicate balance every
day of, like, you know, havingto look backwards, but then also
having to stay focused on the,you know, the future goal
forward ahead of you.
Drew Beech (13:55):
And, again, we were talking about how
entrepreneurship levels you upjust in general. But
Joey Bowen (14:01):
If you choose to level.
Drew Beech (14:02):
You're rarely gonna find an entrepreneur that's that
gets upset about the temperatureof their coffee. You know what
mean? Like, dumbass shit typepeople get upset about nowadays.
Like, because, like, like, orI'll drink a cold coffee if I
Connor McStravick (14:15):
got it.
Drew Beech (14:15):
Exactly. But, like, dumb shit, like, like, little
little inconveniences that thatthat get normal people in a
tizzy really just isn't gonnahappen for an entrepreneur
because, one, we have way toomuch others with even care about
the temperature of the coffee.And secondly, you through that,
those trials and tribulations,you develop that gratitude that
makes you, oh, my coffee's cold.Well, at least I have coffee to
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drink. Yeah.
You know what mean? Like thatperspective.
Joey Bowen (14:40):
But I was out eating the other day, and they brought
me the complete wrong meal, andI just ate it. Like, I didn't
say anything. Like, it wasn'tlike, know? I didn't look at the
price and say, is this is thiswas this more than that? Or,
like, I was really in the moodfor my, you know, avocado toast.
Like, the meal came out, and Iwas just like, I'm just gonna
eat this. Like, it doesn't evenmatter what's got bigger fish to
fry.
Drew Beech (15:00):
Went to a a restaurant with my Italian
bistro. Yeah.
Joey Bowen (15:04):
It's hype. On the bullfart? Yeah. It's not there
anymore.
Connor McStravick (15:07):
Yeah. At the bullfart.
Drew Beech (15:08):
I ordered a veal parm, but they and my grandpa
ordered a eggplant parm, and butthey swapped us, like and I
didn't know. And they were like,oh, like, how do
Joey Bowen (15:18):
like eggplant? Eggplant's good.
Drew Beech (15:18):
And I was like, I don't like eggplant. Ew. I would
never eat that. I just I justhouse the whole thing. That's
funny.
A lot of our listeners are sidehustle entrepreneurs. Right?
There are a lot of people andthe few that want to be their
own boss
Pam Jordan (15:31):
Right.
Drew Beech (15:31):
Get the like, achieve freedom through
financial freedom, freedom oftime, freedom of relationships
that we always talk about. Butyeah. So maybe some tips or,
like, things you did to getstarted for them would be great.
Pam Jordan (15:45):
Yeah. So let me start with some, you know,
blunders that I made early onthat I see a lot of people
making. One is not valuingyourself enough and not charging
enough early on my how I chargefor my services is comical
compared to it is now likecomical, comical. So I just
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started out and almost wasapologizing to people, be like,
Hey, I can help you. Do you wanthelp?
Sorry, it costs a little bit ofmoney. And I see entrepreneurs
do that all the time wherethey're like, Oh, by the way, I
can solve this problem for you.It's like $500. Is that okay?
Like you're almost apologizing.
And so that was something thatvery early on, I had to work
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through and be like, no, youknow what? I know my stuff. I
bring value. This is what I'mworth. Are you in or out?
And so it was an evolution forme to be confident in what I was
and get a couple wins under mybelt of like, dude, I just did
that. Like that company's valuewent up $1,200,000 because of
what I did. Like this matters.So that's a huge mistake that I
(16:51):
did early on and also is nothaving a structure around what I
was performing. And I know youguys see this all the time.
You've got buddies that arelike, oh, I wanna start my own
business. Oh, great. And theyjust like sell this, that,
everything. They have nopackages. They have no clarity.
They have no process. They'rejust selling anything just to
put food on the table. Right?And at the get, that's fine, but
(17:14):
there's a very short runwaywhere you need to get your crap
together, and you need to figureout like, this is what I do,
these are my services, these aremy products, this is what it
costs, and then rinse and repeatthat, right? Like it doesn't
matter what Chick fil A you goto, the fries are gonna be like
bomb, right?
It's because there is a one wayto make Chick fil A french
fries, and you need to, in yourbusiness, figure that out. And
(17:36):
early on, I was doing I wastrying to be all things to all
people. So someone would come tome with a cash flow problem. Oh,
can solve that. Oh, you've got asales problem.
I got I can solve that. Oh, youknow, profit isn't where you
want. Oh, I can figure that out.Oh, marketing? Sure.
I can build a funnel. Right?Like, no, I can't. Yeah. You
know?
And so that was definitely earlylessons, for me of, like, really
(17:58):
honing in what was my skill set,what was I good at, and what was
my value that I was bringing topeople.
Joey Bowen (18:03):
Yeah. That'll that'll really resonate with a
few with the members of ourcommunity because they're rooted
those two things are rooted insomething everybody two things
everybody struggles with. Ithink it's like a bit of a
posture syndrome, right? When inthe beginning, you're like,
you're apologizing for whatyou're charging or you're
undercutting yourself. You know,there's that, am I really that
person question that your brainkeeps running through, you know?
(18:26):
So, the impostor syndrome andthen the second thing is really
like a scarcity mindset which weall kind of battle with, right?
Because you don't want to say noto something that could
potentially bring money in toput food on the table. So, you
find yourself doing everythingand when you do that, you're
pretty much good at nothing,Right?
Pam Jordan (18:45):
%.
Drew Beech (18:46):
Imagine sacrifice seems to be I've just picked up
on something that you and Dannysay a lot. Yeah. Could you tell
us in the community, like, howthat plays in the movement are
and and your guys' mindset?
Nick Salles (18:57):
Oh, yeah. I mean, Imagine Sacrifice is kinda like
a mantra we've been kindarepeating to ourselves since,
like, the beginning. And maybeif not those words, like, other
iterations, like, similarsentiments to that even before
we met each other, me and Danny.Because, since the beginning, we
all have doubtful thoughts inour minds telling us like, is
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this worth pursuing? Is itpossible?
Is it even possible? Are youwasting your time? And that's
something that took me a longtime to shake out of my mind.
Like basically up until likelate Brown Belt, I had these
doubtful thoughts, you know, notso much anymore because you find
a way to be confident in thethings that you do by chasing
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passion and seeing the resultsin the people around you. You
know, I find confidence inknowing that the people around
me are benefiting from what I'mdoing.
That gives me confidence. It'snot like this false sense of
security. I see the results. Butyeah, I mean, there was a time,
right? And I'm sure you guysheard the story about, you know,
us opening up a gym duringCOVID.
(20:00):
And that was a time where a lotof people were doubtful. A lot
of people online weredisparaging us. You know, I had
even, you know, my familytelling me like, are you sure
you want to do this? This is notthe best time to do it, not the
Trevor Cowley (20:12):
best thing to do at this particular time,
Nick Salles (20:14):
you know? It wasn't like people were chomping at the
bits to do a close contact sport
Joey Bowen (20:20):
Yeah.
Nick Salles (20:21):
When there was, like, this infection or virus.
Drew Beech (20:23):
I didn't even think of that.
Nick Salles (20:24):
Yeah. Yeah.
Drew Beech (20:25):
Yeah. So like, this is hard enough. What? So, yeah.
Joey Bowen (20:27):
You can make the argument that, like, maybe it's
not the best time or maybe it isthe best time.
Nick Salles (20:31):
Maybe it well, and there's only one way to find
out. Right?
Joey Bowen (20:34):
So They're doing.
Nick Salles (20:34):
We gambled on the possibility that it was the best
time, like you just mentioned.And, you know, it worked out.
But it goes back to the idea ofyou imagine this idea, you
execute it, and that's thesacrifice, right? Like, I think
at the time, me and Danny hadliterally the exact amount it
would take to purchase the thebusiness that was selling during
(20:58):
the pandemic. It was it was amartial arts facility that was
closing down.
They were doing like jujitsu,MMA, CrossFit, all that stuff.
Drew Beech (21:08):
Everything.
Nick Salles (21:09):
And they were just like, you know, let's just sell
the business. And literally, itworked out perfectly. The the
exact amount we had in our bankaccounts was the amount it would
take us to just get in the doorsand just start this operation.
And so to kind of just put ourwhole life savings on the line
for this imagination, this idea,like, that's a huge sacrifice,
(21:29):
you know. At the time, I thinkwe were just like so excited,
but looking back, I'm like, ohmy god.
That's crazy.
Drew Beech (21:35):
You know? Like It was just just to even underscore
how aligned we are actually.Like, we have a similar vision,
intention, action. Like, that'swhat the three things, like,
basically the same exact.Literally.
Yeah.
Joey Bowen (21:47):
It is easier now than it ever has been to create
your own life, to
Connor McStravick (21:55):
turn
Joey Bowen (21:55):
your passion into the project that pays you. Mhmm.
It's easier. Mhmm. So if it's soeasy and the tools are freely
available and the knowledge isfreely available, question for
you, why don't more people do
Drew Beech (22:09):
it? So the first S. Looking for a specific answer or
are you? Yeah. Because it'sbecause
Joey Bowen (22:18):
it's first s. Yeah. You can
Drew Beech (22:20):
you can yeah. You're saying because of the story they
tell themselves. Yes. I thoughtyou were looking for, me to give
my reasoning. I was gonna sayYeah.
I mean, the few it might be tothe few it might be the story
they tell themselves, but to thelike you said, other people
Yeah. It's realistically they'rejust consuming and being and
(22:41):
being lazy.
Joey Bowen (22:42):
Yeah. Well, I think the two are kind of related.
Right? Because I think you haveto have a certain level of
awareness like the few have torealize that it's actually the
story. And that's why you'relazy.
In other words, you don'tbelieve in yourself enough to
(23:03):
take the steps required torewrite that story of that
limiting belief. So instead ofcreating, you're consuming. You
know what I'm saying? Yeah.Yeah.
So I really think that that'sthe and that's why you know it's
the first S for me when I satdown and I thought about this
like, you have to rewrite yourstory. The tools are there for
(23:25):
you to do this. It is possible.There are literally thousands
upon thousands of examples.We're one of them.
Drew Beech (23:32):
Yeah.
Joey Bowen (23:34):
You first need to rewrite the story you're telling
yourself. It could be somelimiting belief you have that
you don't deserve it, you're notsmart enough, you're not some
story someone told you when youwere a kid that's still rattling
around in your nervous system,right? You need to release that,
heal that. I realize that's awhole another topic, but that
(23:56):
work needs to be done
Drew Beech (23:57):
Yep.
Joey Bowen (23:58):
Because that is what unleashes you
Drew Beech (24:01):
Mhmm.
Joey Bowen (24:01):
To ultimately do what you wanna do.
Drew Beech (24:05):
Hey. You gotta believe in yourself more than
anybody else does, especiallywhen starting.
Joey Bowen (24:08):
Yes.
Drew Beech (24:09):
Delusional self belief.
Joey Bowen (24:10):
Yes. Here's here's another thing though. Right?
When you're rewriting thatstory, and obviously that story
varies for people, you know, itcan be very traumatic. Right?
It can be a little bit lesstraumatic where it's, you know,
I don't know. Let's just saythere's varying degrees of it,
(24:32):
okay? You hit on a word, yousaid belief. Regardless of the
story, and how deep the traumais, sometimes you need to
believe in someone else's beliefin you before you can believe in
(24:53):
yourself. And I think that thefew will hunt community is that
for a lot of people.
Mhmm. Because we believe in thefew. No matter where you're at
on your journey, we see not youas you are, but you as you could
(25:16):
be and who you should be. Andthat sometimes helps you rewrite
that story more than anythingelse, that community support,
you know? Yeah.
So lean into and speaking to thefew, like lean into the
community for that belief ifyou're having trouble believing
(25:36):
yourself that you're capable ofit.
Drew Beech (25:38):
Yeah. I think what we do best, especially with the
content we put out on social,email, SMS, is that we let you
know and assure you that thepower that you're looking for to
to achieve what you want toachieve and become what you want
to become is already inside you.
Joey Bowen (25:58):
Mhmm. Yep.
Drew Beech (25:59):
And I think that's what we do best for our
community. One of the things wedo best for our community.
Joey Bowen (26:05):
Yeah. I think it's because we see people not as
they are. We see them as whatthey could be. And that's rare
nowadays. With attention spansbeing three seconds, everybody
sees the book for the cover, notthe knowledge that's inside.
Drew Beech (26:19):
Exactly. And that's what we did for ourselves.
Right? Like, being in in ourmain gig or our previous full
time jobs, a lot of peopledoubted us and never even
thought we were ever going tobecome anything. And we had to
take that criticism and feedbackand channel it
Joey Bowen (26:40):
Mhmm.
Drew Beech (26:41):
And believe in ourselves almost to a delusional
point. Mhmm. Because at thebeginning when we were hanging
eagle flags on our office doors,it was weird. Right? But now
when that eagle that same eagleflag is flying across in offices
all across the country, offices,gyms, boardrooms, whatever,
(27:03):
across the the the world or thecountry, it doesn't seem that
crazy anymore.
Joey Bowen (27:09):
Yep. We were you're taking this exactly where I
wanted to go. We are we are thefounding members of the few.
Right? So the limiting beliefsthat I had that were slowing me
down and trying to convince methat we couldn't do this Mhmm.
(27:29):
I believed in your belief in meYeah. To rewrite those and vice
versa.
Drew Beech (27:34):
Yeah.
Joey Bowen (27:34):
Right?
Drew Beech (27:35):
And that and we could even this could be an
entrepreneur cop podcast, butlike partner having a partner.
Joey Bowen (27:40):
Yes.
Drew Beech (27:40):
It almost made it easier. Well, it did make it
easier. Like, that's the like,one of the best parts of having
you as a partner is it's it madeit, like, knew you always had my
back. I always had yours. So,like, where we were we were
flying wherever we were flyingin the industry, we were flying
together.
Joey Bowen (27:59):
Yes. So that's exactly where I'm going with the
story. Took us a little bit toget there. We we chopped it up a
little bit, but that limitingbelief, that story that you're
telling yourself that's keepingyou from taking the steps and
using all the freely availabletools to monetize your skills or
turn your side hustle into yourmain gig, that story needs to be
rewritten. And the best way todo it is to lean into your
(28:23):
people.
Yeah. Find a partner. Find acommunity. Yeah. And those that
are listening and watching thethe show, it just so happens now
we have a large community thatthey can lean into.
And you have to believe inothers belief in you before you
can believe in yourself.
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