January 21, 2025 • 39 mins
Is hard work really the key to success, or is there a smarter way to achieve your goals? In this episode, Joey and Drew discuss the value of hard work and the flaws in the phrase "work smarter, not harder." They share personal reflections, including the story of their first hoodie release, thoughts on the Pareto Principle, and discuss the “unsexy” side of entrepreneurship. They also talk about the importance of earned efficiencies, and their thoughts on balancing effort with smart work. Tune in to hear honest, no-nonsense insights on effort, efficiency, and what it really takes to get ahead!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I believe efficiencies are earned. So you
(00:04):
have to do a %, a 10%, a 20% ofthe work to find the smarts.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
What's going on, Eagles? Welcome to the Fuel Hunt
Show. I'm Joey. I'm joined byDrew, my cousin and co founder.
Today, I want tell a littlestory today first.
Please do. As a setup.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You are good.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
First, how are feeling, man?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm grateful to be here, dude. Grateful to be
alive.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Okay. Good.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Just got done a nice long episode with our friend,
coach Sean. Yeah. It's feelingsuper mellow, dude. Like, just
like you said, like, I mean,there was I think I got the
secondhand
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I think you got
Speaker 2 (00:41):
the secondhand cigar smoke. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah. I smoked a cigar on the show with coach
John for the first time in overten years. And, yeah, I mean, my
brain is just I'm I'm kinda calmand just
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah. It's a it's a mellow setting here today.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah. It's mellow. It's mellow. It's mellow in HQ.
I'm so I'm gonna tell a littlestory first, and then I wanna
talk about something.
Something a saying, a particularpiece of wisdom that has been
around for a really long timeapparently that I really can't
stand. And I wanna get your takeon it. And, of course, if you
(01:17):
oblige, I'll give you my take.Mhmm. And I wanna get kind of
the community members gearsgoing on it too because I
guarantee that they hear it inand out of their personal
professional lives every day.
So story time first. Do youremember one of the first
hoodies that we released? Thisis probably 02/2019.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I think it was the first hoodie we released because
I know that spoiler alert. Iknow the title of the episode.
So that
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I You don't know my you we didn't compare notes,
though. You don't know my takeon what I'm about to say.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Correct. Correct.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So what I wanna what I'm trying to get to is we did
not prepare for this.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Now, again,
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I feel like okay.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So are you referring to the the first hoodie? I I
believe our first hoodie was awork harder hoodie.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Was it was it our first?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah. Think you're right, actually.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
We had our eyes set on, like, elevated casuals. It
Speaker 1 (02:15):
was a
Speaker 2 (02:15):
super fancy Yeah. Again, very low
Speaker 1 (02:18):
French terry.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Was French terry. Low low margin.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah. Super low. The typical
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Even lower than they are today. Yeah. Yeah. Which is
if if that's even possible.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Negative margins back in the day.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah. Yeah. So you you are correct. Our original OG
work harder hoodie, you rememberit well. Right?
It's gray, French Terry. I havemine. I still have mine.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I cut mine down. It's like a old school, like
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Wait. Did you give it to Bill Belichick?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gave it to Bill Belichick? Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So I was I was actually wearing that the other
day. Mhmm. And it's crazy to seehow many community members still
wear it. You're talking about agarment that is, what, five
years old? Mhmm.
Almost. Right? That's beenthrough just, like, been through
it. People training andeverything. Ton of community
members still wear it.
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Tiny TIFF. I see Tiny TIFF in itall the time. I see them. I
haven't spoken to her recently,but she's still wearing the work
harder hoodie. So whatever
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Tiny TIFF.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
She's still killing it. She's still killing it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Strong as
Speaker 1 (03:22):
strong as ever.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Still crushing dirt ons. Right?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
That was
Speaker 2 (03:24):
her thing?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
No. I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I thought she was a dirt
Speaker 1 (03:27):
on She's a big vertical diet now, man. Like,
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Love the vertical diet.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Good for on the killing it on the diet.
Strongest strongest ever.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Good for gut health. Stan Efferdeen. Thank you. Shout
out, Stan.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah. Shout out, Stan. And shout out Tiny Tiff.
But I noticed in her storiesthat she was wearing the work
harder hoodie the other day. Itwas a nice piece, man.
French Terry. It had thatheadphone, like, pocket. Thumb
hole. Like, sneak out the cords.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah. Thumb holes.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Thumb holes. Oh, yeah. It's got thumb holes in
it. Really dope garment. Oneproblem with it.
It wasn't made in The USA.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Biggest biggest for fuel hunt nowadays.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What's that? Yeah. Yeah. It's big.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Was not
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Big issue, man. Big issue.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It was not made in The USA.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
American made only. It goes it goes to show, though,
that, like, even from thebeginning, we didn't compromise
on quality. Now we are
Speaker 2 (04:16):
We are fancy.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're fancy. You can get some
nice stuff overseas.
It just did a child make it ornot? I don't know. You know what
I'm saying? So that's kindawhere we're at, the crossroad
there. So I was wearing it theother day.
Guy stops me on the street. Oldguy. Kind guy. Old head.
Probably means well.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Philly old head.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I think he's more of like a I think he's suburban old
head that just happened to be inPhilly.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Because we're in I'm in, like, I'm in, the
Rittenhouse area. Yeah. Yeah.Yeah. Right?
So it's like, you know,different different vibe there.
So, anyway, he he stops me, andhe says, hey. And he, you know,
smiles, and he kinda points atme, and he's like, you know, you
have to work smarter. Like, ofthose. But, yeah, kind.
He meant meant well, probably. Idon't think he he understood
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that, like, I have a real issuewith work smarter, not harder.
Like, that is a phrase that Icannot stand. Like, I wanna use
the h word to describe it, but Iwon't.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
We all say the h word?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah. I'm not I'm not big on the h word. So when he
stopped me, naturally, you know,I just smile in the heart or
whatever. But I think in mymind, I'm like, man, what's
going on in in that guy's head?Like, maybe he was just trying
to, like, spread a smile.
You know, he came up to me witha smile, laughed, everything.
Maybe he's just trying to spreada smile because when I walk
around, I ain't guys smileytypically.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Like,
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I'm kinda like
Speaker 2 (05:38):
little me and mulligan.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Little militant in my in my in my moves. You know I
mean? So maybe he was justtrying to spread a smile, but I
started thinking to myself like,what's going on in his head?
Right? And then I thoughtprobably what's going on in most
people's heads with this wholework smarter, not harder thing.
And now I realize why probablythat hoodie was so popular with
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the community. You know what Imean? Because they probably feel
the same way too. Yeah. So Iwanted to chop up that phrase a
little bit today, get your takeon it.
I'll give you my take, and, youknow, give our community members
something to chew on about itbecause I know they hear it,
especially at work.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You know? I think we might have the same take on it,
to be honest. But I
Speaker 1 (06:23):
would think so.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I believe when I first heard the term, maybe my
old my first job, but that itwas all in regards to creating
efficiencies
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
When that's really not in my eyes now, how I
perceive the the phrase worksmarter, not harder. Yeah. It
actually, in in my eyes, comesto doing the hard work is the
smart work. Mhmm. And the workthat is required to get you to
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where you want to go in life.
Mhmm. Because a lot of peopleand I think you told said this
to me before, but show up atwork every day, answer emails,
shuffle papers, go home, andthen say, wow, I put in a hard
day's work.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And that's really not hard work at all. And it's not
Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's busy work.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah. And it's not gonna get you to the goals that
you may have set. And theproblem with those people, for
the most part, people that areshowing up every day, answering
emails, and going home, and sothey worked hard. And I was one
of those people before. Mhmm.
They don't they aren't travelingtowards any working towards any
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type type of goal. Yeah.Exactly. And that's I'm kind of
getting long winded here and offthe
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Well, they're just on their kinda on a hamster wheel.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Path to where I was talking, but I'm developing
another thought of, like, youneed to have a clear goal set to
be able to even know what smartwork is.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah. I agree. I agree. You you mentioned
something. You said the wordefficiencies.
Right? So do you know where popquiz. Do you know where the term
work smarter or the phrase worksmarter, not harder came
Speaker 2 (08:23):
from, where
Speaker 1 (08:24):
it originated.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I'm I'm literally gonna Google that after this
episode go. I
Speaker 1 (08:27):
don't know where it originated either, so I'm sure.
Now I'm joking. I did theresearch. I did the research,
man. I'm I'm joking, man.
I'm
Speaker 2 (08:34):
joking. YouTube people would have come for me
like, Remember the episode whereI I didn't know The
Speaker 1 (08:40):
solar system? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I didn't know where Jupiter was. I got roasted.
Like, this fucking idiot notknowing what solar
Speaker 1 (08:45):
was Yeah. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And everybody else
Speaker 1 (08:47):
We got other we got other things to handle. The
solar system is the solarsystem. We got other things to
handle. No. Did the research.
So in the thirties, there was aan engineer, I believe an
industrial engineer, MorganStern, who had this work
simplification program. Right?And he coined the phrase, work
(09:10):
smarter, not harder. Now, as Iunderstand it, this program that
he developed was basically to,like, clean up the mess of the,
like, industrial revolutionbecause that that was a mess to
a
Speaker 2 (09:24):
certain degree.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Right? So he was looking for efficiencies and to
build systems to create moreprogress based on what they
learned during the industrialrevolution. So Which is smart.
Which is smart and which isnecessary. It's just needed.
Like, there's a lot of, youknow, inefficient and unfair
practices probably during thattime. So it was needed and was
(09:47):
necessary. So here we are now.So that was like nineteen
thirties. So here we are almosta century later, still using the
same phrase.
Yeah. Right? But in my eyes,bastardized. Yeah. I've never
ever I've never met well, Ican't Nine out of 10 times that
I've heard that phrase, it camefrom somebody that I don't wanna
(10:10):
be like.
Mhmm. Whose work ethic I don'twanna emulate.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I think I think we've held on this, but the person I
related to is definitely someonethat the place I
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah. We don't. Yeah. We don't have to we don't have
to get into it, but youunderstand where I'm coming
from. Right?
Yeah. Like, most of the timewhen it's said, it's like
Speaker 2 (10:28):
It's almost lazy.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It is. Yeah. It's basically a joke about being
lazy.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It's it's basically like, yeah. It's it's basically
a joke about being lazy. It'slike, I'm lazy, and I'm gonna
rationalize it, and let's let'sjust do funny about it. Mhmm.
Now I'm not I'm not talking likemanual, like, manual hard labor.
Like, I've been there, man.Like, I've worked on a moving
truck. We had a rule, worksmarter, not harder, where,
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like, you know, if you go intothe house to ask the customer
something, you'll always comeout with something that has to
go on the truck. Like, nevercome out to the truck empty
handed. Like, when it comes tomanual labor, I understand.
So, like, don't worry
Speaker 2 (11:08):
about manual labor. I think, like, it does apply. Like
keep going.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It it applies. Yeah. It applies. I mean, you could
even make the argument that,like, okay. Well, if I come out
to the moving truck withoutanything in my hand, that means
I need to make more trips, whichis better for my physical
fitness.
Yeah. Like, you can make theargument. You know what I mean?
We're gonna take manual labor,like, out of the equation, and
we're gonna look at it in, like,maybe, like, the corporate
setting. Every time I've heardit, it's from somebody that I
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don't wanna be like, whose workethic, like, I do not Yeah.
Have respect for. You know whatI mean? So I'm actually here to
advocate for the opposite. Workharder, not smarter.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
How do you feel about that? I think I wanna flip it.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
No. I like I like it. I I support your initiative.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I'm gonna start I'm gonna be looking for signatures
in YouTube comments.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Because, like I said, working hard is working smart.
And a lot of the times whenpeople fall short is they don't
wanna do the hard work necessaryto get the to their goal.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
To their smarts. Yeah. So here's the thing.
Right? You said efficiencies.
One point that I wanna make. Ibelieve efficiencies are earned.
Right? So you have to do a %, a10%, a 20% of the work to find
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the smarts. Right?
Back in the day when people andI had, like, team members and,
like, employees that would say,oh, work smarter, not harder.
And I'm like, bro, you've done60% of your required work today.
You have no idea the work thatis the smart work.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Know what I'm saying? Like, you have to do a % of the
work Mhmm. Before you canrealize that. Like, they try to
and the really crafty ones werelike, well, you know, the Pareto
principle.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
And I'm like, I get that. Yeah. Like and and then
they break it down. If you don'tknow what the Pareto principle
is, an Italian Pareto, anItalian economist, I believe he
was. Back in the day, he noticedthat 80% of the wealth in Italy
was controlled by 20% of thepopulace.
He also noticed I think he hadfruit trees or some shit. He
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also noticed that, like, 80% ofhis fruit came from 20% of his
trees. Right? And if you look, Ithink it's is it Freakonomics?
Maybe the book Freakonomics?
If you look throughout society,the world, the Pareto principle
holds true. In business, youknow, 80% of your revenue comes
from 20% of your actions. Like,you know what I mean? The Pareto
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principle sounds true. So thereally crafty MFers would be
like, well, Pareto principle,work smarter, not harder.
Really, only 20% of what I doare the needle movers. Yeah. So
that's what I'm gonna do, justthe 20% because I'm working
harder. I'm working smarter.It's like you have to do a % of
the work Yeah.
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To find the 20%.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You know what I mean? And then guess what? After you
get smarter and you found that20%, more problems arise because
that's how life works.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And you gotta do a % of the again.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It's funny you just recall when you said, you have
to earn your efficiencies.Ambassador of ours, athlete of
ours, Dylan Royce, and I are inthe middle of a book that he
actually recommended on ourpodcast.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
The Red Rising series that we talked about.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yep. Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And in it, there's this character, Lysander, who is
the grandson of a, like, aformer sovereign sovereign or,
like, queen. Right? She was likethe the shit. Yeah. But it's
apparent it was, like, a bad itwas a bad woman.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Formal title. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
The shit. Well, she's dead now. Well, I might have
just spoiled it. Sorry. Soanyway
Speaker 1 (14:56):
This is, the moment we had on the Yeah. On the phone
yesterday.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Oh my god. So anyway, he's recalling her and, like,
all of the lessons he taughther. She taught him Mhmm. Coming
up, like, he always resorts tothe mind's eye, like, with his
third eye, like.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And just, like, basically, like, all of this
hard these hard challenges.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
She made him do. And he was doing this one particular
challenge, like, where he had,like, he was basically running
stairs barefoot. They were like,no, that's some crazy anyway,
some wild shit. And he saidsomething like, I can't do it or
something like and she's like,oh, you want to use
contractions? Now you thinkyou've earned contractions?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Oh, that is amazing.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
That is amazing. Basically slapped this shit out.
I don't know how you just recallmaybe recall that, but I was
like like, it's all it alsocould be looked at as like a
lazy way of speaking in.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Oh, that's amazing. That is amazing.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
So who are you thinking you have to earn? You
you have to use contractions.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I'm gonna
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I I am going to use that. Everybody's got something
to come come for which gets him.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Oh, I'm gonna use that.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah. Sorry. I really can't use contractions anymore.
Now I'm,
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Dylan recommended that book to me, so, like, some
time ago,
Speaker 2 (16:14):
but
Speaker 1 (16:14):
it's fiction. Right? Yeah. So he knows, like, I'm not
a big fiction reader, but he didrecommend it. Now I'm pissed I
didn't read it because it soundslike I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And that's one thing. Contraction. And I talk about
books I mean, I talk about booksa lot, but I particularly I
love, like, a personaldevelopment book, but it's
really nice to
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah. Give your mind a break.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
At night. Like, you know I mean? When you got a lot
put put in the work that day andyou get home and you're like,
dude, I can't wait get lost inthis story.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
But Yeah. So The games.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
To all the readers out there, I recommend pick up a
fiction book here and there toYeah. Like, let loose a little.
You know?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah. I mean, when you're in the games we're in,
it's like personal developmentall the time. You need a little
bit of a of a break. SometimesI'll watch, like, a, like, a
short, like, skit comedy thingor something just to give my
mind a break. You know
Speaker 2 (17:02):
what to. I mean, you can't, like pull from as
impossible to burn the candle atboth ends at all times.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah. I've tried. I've tried. I know.
Contractions.
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That being said, if you're if you are getting into
it, it's, seven books. Okay. Andsome of them are like 800
people.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
The few are committed, bro.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
The few
Speaker 1 (17:22):
are committed.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well, I'm saying for you.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah. Yeah. I'm committed. So I'm
Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's a commitment. Yeah. And I haven't read, and
we're getting way off tangenthere, but I think the No. It's
fine. It's like Yes.
A book this this good since,like, The Hunger Games or, like,
Harry Potter. Really? Do everread The Hunger Games?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
No. No. I've also haven't read Harry Potter. What?
Yeah.
I know. I know. I know.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Have you ever read any fiction books?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
When I was a kid, like, frigging hatchet. Flew to
the flies.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Hatchet. Dude, what a wild book.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I read that book. The Outsiders?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
There was I read all the all her I see him. No. I
read all the like, TheOutsiders, Rumble Fish. Yeah.
All those, like Yo.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Do you see they have an Outsiders, like, TV show or
Speaker 2 (18:12):
movie No. I'm sick, though. Yeah. Parties that watch
that shit.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Like a pony boy, dude. Stay golden.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah. Stay golden, bro. Dude, Hatchet, like, I read
that book in, like, seventhgrade or whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Great book, but I you just brought back, like,
memories.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Hatchet yeah. Hatchet is a great book,
Speaker 2 (18:27):
dude. Hatchet is a real one, dude.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It is. Hatchet is a real one. So if you haven't read
Hatchet, it's basically probablya fourth grade reading level.
Pick it up and
Speaker 2 (18:37):
read I'm being resourceful.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah. Yep. Yep. Hatchet. So to answer your
question, like, have readfiction, but not not recently.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Not recently at all?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
No. Not really. I mean, you could consider 12
pillars fiction because it is afictional story. That's a
Speaker 2 (18:52):
fictional slash personal development.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah. But that's how it gets close as I've gotten,
really, to be honest. Like, I'lleither read personal development
books or business books or booksthat are both. That's pretty
much it. But Damn.
I get it, though. Like, I I getit. I get it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I'll get I'll get for Christmas, I'll give you the the
Red Rising.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Red Rising. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah. I'm I'm curious what you think.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Do you have all how far are you in?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
We're Dylan and I are both about to finish the sick
the seventh one comes out inJanuary.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Oh, so that's why I was gonna ask you. Is this like
a new this is these books arestill being released.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah. Well, it's the last one.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Oh, it is?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah. This one coming out. But so it's pretty new.
Mhmm. But the and Dylan and werejust talking about this at
training on Tuesday, but I thinkthe reason him and I both enjoy
it so much Mhmm.
Is because it's the maincharacter is has, like, one goal
chasing something great. Mhmm.And we'll stop at nothing to
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achieve it. And we see a lot ofourselves in those characters.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Like, it reminds it reminds me of, the found you
read the Fountainhead? Mhmm.That's official. Right? Oh,
that's true.
Yeah. So I
Speaker 1 (20:02):
don't really consider, and see, that's the
weird thing about me, man. Like,I guess I have read some
fiction. I like, Anne Rand,like, I don't consider, like,
her stuff fiction. I know thatsounds weird, but I don't But
Speaker 2 (20:15):
that being said, I I was hooked on that book because
Mhmm. I felt
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I mean, that's
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I related to that main character.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Right. It's like life. Yeah. That's why people
watch certain movies. That's whythey join certain communities.
That's why they it's identity.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
That's why I hate movies because I
Speaker 1 (20:31):
relate to any of
Speaker 2 (20:31):
the characters. Amanda and Parker asked me to
watch a movie. I'm just like, Ihave literally no interest.
Mhmm. And I've also
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I like a good movie every once in
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I become so anti society that I think acting is,
like, almost weird. It is weirdto me. Like, you're literally
acting out a life of a differentperson.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
It's It's kinda it's kinda weird. I mean, it's art,
though. There's an art in it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And I do have a the hot take question. Is kissing a
romance in movies cheating forthe
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's acting.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Dude, that is crazy. So you're telling me if you
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Is this why I don't want is this why you don't watch
movies? Because you envisionAmanda making out with the dude?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
All I'm saying is Amanda was an actress Yeah. And
she was in a hot steamy make outsesh, a love love scene Yeah.
On, like Well, we've talked tofor work. Yeah. Like, that's
cheating, bro.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
We've we've talked about You're we've talked about
I wouldn't it doesn't bother
Speaker 2 (21:32):
me, dude. It doesn't bother Yeah. Dane.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I think Dane's in my camp.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
But you can go make out with another guy on camera?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's not like Car. Oh, jeez. Car. We're bringing
headphones. She does she wantsno parts to this.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
She does. She has a Well, you're cool are you cool
with it?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I can understand where you're job, and she was,
you know, she's act you know, agood actress.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So she could be a stripper then? Oh, it's her job,
though. It's work.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
We we got you and I went down the rabbit hole on
this. Like, do you remember?Like, it had to be, like, four
years ago. One day we went,like, all all
Speaker 2 (22:15):
the way
Speaker 1 (22:15):
down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah. I I'm not
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Just for the record, no one agrees with me. I've
asked a few people thisquestion.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
What does that what does that actress is, like, not
they're not, like, making out.They're not, like Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
But they're not, like, there's sometimes there's
like look, I don't know. I I I'mnot an actor, so I don't know.
But I thought that there were,like, rules. You know what I
mean?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Like, the actors They're definitely professional.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Like, no tongue. Exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I'm not arguing they're professional, but like
the moment Amanda smoochesanother man on the lips, I'm
like
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Amanda, no acting.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
You're acting career's over. Picture Melissa
smooched another guy on thelips.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I mean, if it was like, you know, if she was in,
like, Batman, it would be fine,dude.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Right, dude. And
for what? Christian Bale?
Christian Bale's a friggingfrigging I'm Batman. And then
he's like, Melissa MelissaThat's a pretty good Come here,
Melissa.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
That's a good
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I practice a lot myself. That's
Speaker 1 (23:13):
a pretty good
Speaker 2 (23:14):
used to I've spent a night with a Batman mask on.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
In one of your high takes
Speaker 2 (23:28):
during the Chris, I was like, Melissa, I love you.
And then they you're gonna beable to sleep next for that
night?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah. Because she's working, dude. Don't matter to
me. That's good. I'm not dude,look, I I'm I'm not a cover,
dude.
I don't you know what I mean?I'm just kinda like, look, if
that's your job, it's your job,dude. I I get it. I see it
clearly.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I respect it. I mean, just get your comments. Let us
know. Does anyone agree with me?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I don't know. We haven't we haven't found anybody
yet, dude.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So In the YouTube comments and the shorts comp,
please let me know if you agreewith what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
You do raise an interesting point with, like,
acting, though. I never thoughtabout that. I can see if you
don't relate to any storylinesin movies, why it would be super
weird. But I do feel like ifyou're watching a film and you
can really relate to, like, thatstoryline or that character,
that there's, like, there'spower in it.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah. It's like
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
We just watched the Christmas story A Christmas
Story with Parker. Mhmm. And Iwas like, wow. When I was a kid,
I really loved this movie.They're like, I'll
Speaker 1 (24:29):
shoot your eye out thing?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah. Now I'm watching them. Like, they're
kind of living, like, a supermiserable life. The dads
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Like, wait. I would I I was watching them. Like, this
is terrible.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah. But, I mean, also times have changed too.
Like, I don't know if yeah. Idon't yeah. Yeah.
No. I get it. I get it. And I dohave a hard time.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Wants to get party to watch Home Alone now, and I'm
like
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I do have a hard time generally, and I think this is
everybody that's, like, in inour space. We we've talked about
this before. Like, have a hardtime with, like, normal stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah. See?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Like, I have a hard time. Like, I can't listen to
the radio. Like, the radio? Ican't listen to
Speaker 2 (25:08):
that radio.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Is the radio even a thing? Like, who listens to
radio? You know, if my
Speaker 2 (25:12):
With podcasts and Spotify In my
Speaker 1 (25:14):
in my Jeep, I'm gonna I'm coming I'm coming for Jeep.
In my Jeep, like my CarPlaykeeps cutting out. So, like,
sometimes I put the radio on. Ican't listen to the radio. Like,
I can't.
Like, there's just certainthings I can't relate to because
everything that goes in, I putthrough a filter. And I do the
same thing sometimes when I'mwatching TV. I'm like, I can't
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watch this freaking show. Like,I can't this like, I can almost
feel the energy. And I'm like,even though it's acting, I'm
like, I don't want this in mylife.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So I understand where you're where you're coming from.
I do. But the actors are workinghard.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah. They are.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
They're working harder, not smarter. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Working hard, dream chasing. Yeah. Of course.
They're doing it all.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Of course. Of course.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Respect that to their work.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Just don't make out of people.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah. I'm just It's funny. Wanna be one. That's
funny. That's funny.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So what you know, when it comes to I think you you
you alluded to this. Like,you've heard this work smarter,
not harder. You kinda feel thesame way I do. Yeah. I wanted to
make I wanted to make, like, tworeally key points during this.
The first one, I'm all forefficiency and systems and
everything, but that's earned.You know? And even, like, when
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you think about it, we talkabout time collapsing a lot,
right? When we do coaching orwhatever, like learn from my
mistakes so you don't have tomake them. That doesn't mean
you're mistake free, like, be amentor of ours, right, has
helped us.
He didn't come down from themountain and say, like, here's
the strategy, and then we justdid it and everything worked.
Yeah. You know? He didn't say,like He actually I'm gonna
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install the smarts. You know
Speaker 2 (26:47):
what mean? He said, here's the strategy, and then we
didn't. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And then we didn't
Speaker 2 (26:53):
listen, and
Speaker 1 (26:53):
then we did listen,
Speaker 2 (26:54):
and then we the hard way.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
And we learned the hard way. So like, even when it
comes to like that, it's like,you know, you still have to work
hard. Even when somebody givesyou the smarts, there's still
other stuff. You still have todo a % of the work. Yeah.
You know? So, like, that there'sthe two points I really wanted
to make that your efficienciesare earned. Right? And then the
second point is, don't come atme with the Pareto principle
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because you'll never know whatthat 20% is unless you do a % of
the work. I'd argue many of thetimes you have to do a 20% of
the work Mhmm.
To find the 20%.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You know what I
Speaker 2 (27:30):
mean? I you ever hear the phrase, like, shovel dirt?
It's like everybody wants to
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Eat a fuel, honk?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah. Everybody wants to essentially dig a hole, but
no one wants to shovel the dirt.You know what mean? Every day, I
shovel dirt shovel dirt. Yeah.
Yeah. It's like or I talkedabout Danny made that take out
take out the trash. Mhmm.Whereas it's almost like you
gotta find a balance in the twoof, like, taking the trash out
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one piece at a time and also ina bag while also, like, while
also taking out the trash. Youknow what I mean?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Oh, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
There's there's hard work and smart work. And in my
opinion, the work that is goingto move the needle the most for
you is the smart work at thetime. So that that needle moving
work may be not a very efficienttask. Yep. But that is the smart
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work that needs to be done toget there.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yep. Yep.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah. What I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I get it. And I I'm not hating
on smart work.
Like, that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
My beef is people that think they know the smart
work without doing a % of thework. Yeah. You know what I
mean? Yeah. Because even we werehaving this conversation with B
recently on one of our l tens.
Remember he said sometimessuccesses and inefficiencies?
Yeah. Like, brilliance. I'mlike, yeah. I'm like, exactly.
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Exactly right. You know what Imean? Like, we're so important
to build systems and processes,right, so that you get abducted
by aliens and you know what Imean? Parker can pick it up or
Everly can pick it up and do it.But at the same time, you
sometimes have to do just thegritty grunt work, right, to
find to find the strategy andthe success.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
And that's the a lot of the times, I think, people
wanna come to us. They wannastart businesses or, like, teach
me this. Like, can you help mewith that? And I just know from
meeting them if they have it.Right?
If they have Mhmm. Thewillingness to do whatever it
takes and do the like, because alot 95 per I I was talking to my
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friend Vin about this the otherday. Our lives look like, the
brand looks sexy. Right? But thework we do
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Completely anti.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Sexy at all. And it's like like, you want a behind the
scenes, but a lot of times it'sus sitting in our laptops just
doing shit we don't wanna dohalf the time.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
You know what I mean? Like Yep. The behind the scenes
isn't as glamorous as it maylook on Instagram. It's, like,
late nights. It's freaking earlymornings.
It's
Speaker 1 (30:11):
doing More problems and solutions.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah. Doing doing percent of the tasks you you
want to do as an entrepreneurare, like, you think you're
going to do when you sign up tobe an entrepreneur
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Aren't the tasks you're gonna be doing.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
They're gonna be tasks that you feel like,
realistically, aren't worth yourtime. Right? Like, you're like,
I should be doing something
Speaker 1 (30:31):
The unsexy stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah. I should be doing something else to achieve
my goals of being anentrepreneur. But actually, it's
the Yep. The unsexy stuff that'sgonna move the needle. Yeah.
Yeah. It's the it's shovelingthe dirt.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah. Yep. Yep. Absolutely, man. Absolutely.
Yeah. I mean, there's so muchout there now to when you talk
about entrepreneurship and even,you know, on social media,
everybody's got, you know, theplaybook for you.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
But the the reality is and there's truth in the
playbook, right, that they'retrying to pedal.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
But you have to apply that playbook to your own
circumstances, and many times,that requires a lot of trial and
error. It's not like a lick itand stick it type
Speaker 2 (31:17):
of thing.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
You know what I mean? That's why having a a mentor,
someone that's going to be withyou as you go through the
iterations, that's critical.Like, that's super, super
valuable, having a coach or amentor. The program, though,
Speaker 2 (31:33):
sometimes can someone you can bounce things off of and
get Yeah. Yeah. Course. From.Like, someone that's been there
have done it before.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah. Of course. Of course. But the program and the
course, you know, there's a lotof programs and a lot of courses
bought, and not a lot comes fromit. You know what I'm saying?
It's like
Speaker 2 (31:51):
It's interesting now. Everybody has a everyone has a a
course or a playbook. I don'tsee a lot of people making
making plays. You know I mean?Yeah.
Yeah. Everyone you see onInstagram is a a coach or
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah. It's pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Like an influencer, and it's like buy my course. And
it's like your course on what?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty wild, man.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That being said, on the creating efficiencies, I
find that a very flooded marketfor those efficiency creations.
And I wonder if you'll agreewith me on this. The business
and particularly ecommercespace, the amount of
applications that are availableto create this, do that, do
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that, do this. Like, Jesse sentus a new app every day.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah. And I'm like, dude, like, most of my works are
on my notes app. Like, you knowwhat mean? Like, everything.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
But there is so many options. Oh,
Speaker 1 (32:43):
there's so many.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Bro, I can't
Speaker 1 (32:45):
even my head Listen. That's why I'm I'm making a
stand here, and I'm saying,like, we're as smart as we need
to be. Yeah. It's time to workharder, not smarter. Like, we're
as smart as we need to be.
We're smarter than we've everbeen as a society. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
We're good.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
And where are we at now? Yeah. We're we're softer
than we've ever been That's
Speaker 2 (33:02):
so true, dude.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
You know mean?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Plenty of working smart. We work too smart at
Speaker 1 (33:06):
this point.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
We're plenty of smart as far as to the AI
conversation. Like, that's,like, the ultimate smart work.
And I mean, I'm not, like
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It's a tool, man. The problem is, like, people people
it's the same people that aresaying, work smarter, not
harder, that are gonna ruin it.That are gonna ruin it. Because
instead of using it to do a % ofthe work more efficiently Yeah.
They're using it to do way lesswork.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Way less work.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Way less work. Way, way, way, way less work. That's
why, Chris, friend of thecommunity, coach of mine when it
comes to copywriting,Orzikowski, email copywriter dot
com. Great dude. If you're intocopywriting and email marketing
and stuff.
He said, when this whole AIthing came out, like, the
copywriting world was like, ohmy god. Like, we're all dead.
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And he was like, you're right ifyou're a shitty copywriter. You
know what I mean? Like, ofcourse, the machine's gonna take
you out.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Copy that you get in AI isn't always That's
Speaker 1 (34:00):
what I'm saying. Dude, of course, you're gonna
get if if you're a shittycopywriter, yeah, your life's
over. Because you're
Speaker 2 (34:05):
because you're lazy. If it matches your level of
copywriting. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yes. Because, more than likely, you were doing lazy
work anyway.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
You were not doing a % of
Speaker 2 (34:15):
the work. Exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You know? So I think maybe maybe the work harder
hoodie needs to make a return.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I agree. I mean, definitely needs to be revamped.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You think it should be do you think it should say
work harder, not smarter?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
No. You don't think so? I just don't think that'd be
sexy enough to say.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Make a compelling enough argument?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I'm with the argument. I just don't know if
that could be packaged up into asexy enough good go ahead to
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I can work with Vince, man. We could do some
things.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I don't know. Don't know if it moves my
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah. It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
My emotional needle too much Yeah. Enough.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Or I was gonna use an inappropriate analogy that
Brianna uses, but I won't.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah. Well, it'll make a return maybe with not
without not smarter, but it'llmake a return.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I think
Speaker 1 (35:06):
it should make a return.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
We had two point o too. Remember that?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Oh, we did. Yeah. We did bring it
Speaker 2 (35:11):
back once. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah. That was nice. That was nice. That was a I
think it was a black hoodie,though. Yeah.
That's when we started gettinginto our dark phase. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
When we just did all black everything.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Which we do now still to the most for the most part.
It's timeless, bro.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
It's timeless. Well, the community tells us
themselves. Like, we releasedboth, and they picked the
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Black. Black,
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I mean, you know, protective color as your friend.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Well, I didn't realize Madison Yeah. Madison is
that. I thought it was alldepressing, but it's actually
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah. It's protected. Protective color. Protection.
Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, well, this was funchopping it up. You got a
lightning round for me today?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
No. No. No.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Round. No. Lightning round. It was. We touched on a
lot of different things.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Well, I I I'm nervous for the amount of roasting
that's gonna go. I was like,
Speaker 1 (36:10):
get I'm used to it. You got thick skin. Right?
You're good. Right?
You're good. You're good.Alright, man. Anything else
going on you wanna you wannatouch on? We got I
Speaker 2 (36:22):
when I was thinking of podcast ideas, I do my
brainstorming Mhmm. I was gonnado one where we weigh in on
current events, so look forwardto that in the future.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh, jeez.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Like, there are different things going on in the
world and society where we justOh, jeez. I'll bring them to the
table. Maybe they can pop themup on the YouTube screen for
people.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
And Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
We would just weigh in on our thoughts.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I mean, I'm up for it. I feel like you want to talk
about getting roasted. I thinkwe're gonna we'll probably get
roasted.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
But my thought my theory is, like, we've made
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Not roasted by the community. Roasted by, like, the
random Yeah. The haters. Yeah.The haters.
And but we Can't have hatewithout love.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Exactly. And we've made it we've made our way being
the anti society and the and
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I mean, that's where we are.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Going against the grain and and what's not in the
society, but We've been thebeing a counter movement
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
As we say. And that is how I think we'll get to a
million hard workers worldwide.So, I mean, I'm definitely not
afraid.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
No. No. Yeah. I'm not not afraid at all. We've done
pretty good with not getting,like, banned or having our
content taken down.
We have had some we have hadsome Instagram posts get taken
down, which blows my mind.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
You know, you post something about, like, you know,
burning the boats or something.Yeah. And then we get Instagram
comes and slaps us and says itincites violence or whatever.
Meanwhile, like, violence is avirtue. Well, even with violence
is a virtue, we got, you know,we get hammered with that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
But Our first experience was the getting fact
checked.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah. We got fact checked.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
On Yeah. Crows.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Crows. Crows and eagles.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Fucking weird bro. Viral post.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Weird bro. Where I was going with that was be
prepared because if we're gonnastart addressing current events
and how the few feel about saidevents, they're definitely gonna
come for us. Yeah. Maybe it'stime.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Maybe it's time. Alright. Well, if you got value
from this episode, which it'squestionable because of where
Drew took us, I don't know. It'squestionable.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Please leave us answers on the, is it cheating?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But if you got value from this episode, share with a
hard worker. We'll share anotherone if this one was too weird
for you now. By by all means,though, share it with a hard
worker.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Please do.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
And I'll leave, I'll leave the few with a reminder.
Always choose hard work overhandouts. Always choose effort
over entitlement. Remember, noone owns you. No one owes you.
You're one of the few. Now let'shunt.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
What, baby? Hey.
I believe efficiencies are earned. So you
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have to do a %, a 10%, a 20% ofthe work to find the smarts.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
What's going on, Eagles? Welcome to the Fuel Hunt
Show. I'm Joey. I'm joined byDrew, my cousin and co founder.
Today, I want tell a littlestory today first.
Please do. As a setup.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You are good.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
First, how are feeling, man?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm grateful to be here, dude. Grateful to be
alive.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Okay. Good.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Just got done a nice long episode with our friend,
coach Sean. Yeah. It's feelingsuper mellow, dude. Like, just
like you said, like, I mean,there was I think I got the
secondhand
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I think you got
Speaker 2 (00:41):
the secondhand cigar smoke. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah. I smoked a cigar on the show with coach
John for the first time in overten years. And, yeah, I mean, my
brain is just I'm I'm kinda calmand just
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah. It's a it's a mellow setting here today.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah. It's mellow. It's mellow. It's mellow in HQ.
I'm so I'm gonna tell a littlestory first, and then I wanna
talk about something.
Something a saying, a particularpiece of wisdom that has been
around for a really long timeapparently that I really can't
stand. And I wanna get your takeon it. And, of course, if you
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oblige, I'll give you my take.Mhmm. And I wanna get kind of
the community members gearsgoing on it too because I
guarantee that they hear it inand out of their personal
professional lives every day.
So story time first. Do youremember one of the first
hoodies that we released? Thisis probably 02/2019.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I think it was the first hoodie we released because
I know that spoiler alert. Iknow the title of the episode.
So that
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I You don't know my you we didn't compare notes,
though. You don't know my takeon what I'm about to say.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Correct. Correct.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So what I wanna what I'm trying to get to is we did
not prepare for this.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Now, again,
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I feel like okay.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So are you referring to the the first hoodie? I I
believe our first hoodie was awork harder hoodie.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Was it was it our first?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah. Think you're right, actually.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
We had our eyes set on, like, elevated casuals. It
Speaker 1 (02:15):
was a
Speaker 2 (02:15):
super fancy Yeah. Again, very low
Speaker 1 (02:18):
French terry.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Was French terry. Low low margin.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah. Super low. The typical
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Even lower than they are today. Yeah. Yeah. Which is
if if that's even possible.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Negative margins back in the day.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah. Yeah. So you you are correct. Our original OG
work harder hoodie, you rememberit well. Right?
It's gray, French Terry. I havemine. I still have mine.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I cut mine down. It's like a old school, like
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Wait. Did you give it to Bill Belichick?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gave it to Bill Belichick? Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So I was I was actually wearing that the other
day. Mhmm. And it's crazy to seehow many community members still
wear it. You're talking about agarment that is, what, five
years old? Mhmm.
Almost. Right? That's beenthrough just, like, been through
it. People training andeverything. Ton of community
members still wear it.
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Tiny TIFF. I see Tiny TIFF in itall the time. I see them. I
haven't spoken to her recently,but she's still wearing the work
harder hoodie. So whatever
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Tiny TIFF.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
She's still killing it. She's still killing it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Strong as
Speaker 1 (03:22):
strong as ever.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Still crushing dirt ons. Right?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
That was
Speaker 2 (03:24):
her thing?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
No. I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I thought she was a dirt
Speaker 1 (03:27):
on She's a big vertical diet now, man. Like,
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Love the vertical diet.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Good for on the killing it on the diet.
Strongest strongest ever.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Good for gut health. Stan Efferdeen. Thank you. Shout
out, Stan.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah. Shout out, Stan. And shout out Tiny Tiff.
But I noticed in her storiesthat she was wearing the work
harder hoodie the other day. Itwas a nice piece, man.
French Terry. It had thatheadphone, like, pocket. Thumb
hole. Like, sneak out the cords.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah. Thumb holes.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Thumb holes. Oh, yeah. It's got thumb holes in
it. Really dope garment. Oneproblem with it.
It wasn't made in The USA.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Biggest biggest for fuel hunt nowadays.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What's that? Yeah. Yeah. It's big.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Was not
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Big issue, man. Big issue.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It was not made in The USA.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
American made only. It goes it goes to show, though,
that, like, even from thebeginning, we didn't compromise
on quality. Now we are
Speaker 2 (04:16):
We are fancy.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're fancy. You can get some
nice stuff overseas.
It just did a child make it ornot? I don't know. You know what
I'm saying? So that's kindawhere we're at, the crossroad
there. So I was wearing it theother day.
Guy stops me on the street. Oldguy. Kind guy. Old head.
Probably means well.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Philly old head.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I think he's more of like a I think he's suburban old
head that just happened to be inPhilly.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Because we're in I'm in, like, I'm in, the
Rittenhouse area. Yeah. Yeah.Yeah. Right?
So it's like, you know,different different vibe there.
So, anyway, he he stops me, andhe says, hey. And he, you know,
smiles, and he kinda points atme, and he's like, you know, you
have to work smarter. Like, ofthose. But, yeah, kind.
He meant meant well, probably. Idon't think he he understood
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that, like, I have a real issuewith work smarter, not harder.
Like, that is a phrase that Icannot stand. Like, I wanna use
the h word to describe it, but Iwon't.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
We all say the h word?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah. I'm not I'm not big on the h word. So when he
stopped me, naturally, you know,I just smile in the heart or
whatever. But I think in mymind, I'm like, man, what's
going on in in that guy's head?Like, maybe he was just trying
to, like, spread a smile.
You know, he came up to me witha smile, laughed, everything.
Maybe he's just trying to spreada smile because when I walk
around, I ain't guys smileytypically.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Like,
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I'm kinda like
Speaker 2 (05:38):
little me and mulligan.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Little militant in my in my in my moves. You know I
mean? So maybe he was justtrying to spread a smile, but I
started thinking to myself like,what's going on in his head?
Right? And then I thoughtprobably what's going on in most
people's heads with this wholework smarter, not harder thing.
And now I realize why probablythat hoodie was so popular with
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the community. You know what Imean? Because they probably feel
the same way too. Yeah. So Iwanted to chop up that phrase a
little bit today, get your takeon it.
I'll give you my take, and, youknow, give our community members
something to chew on about itbecause I know they hear it,
especially at work.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You know? I think we might have the same take on it,
to be honest. But I
Speaker 1 (06:23):
would think so.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I believe when I first heard the term, maybe my
old my first job, but that itwas all in regards to creating
efficiencies
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
When that's really not in my eyes now, how I
perceive the the phrase worksmarter, not harder. Yeah. It
actually, in in my eyes, comesto doing the hard work is the
smart work. Mhmm. And the workthat is required to get you to
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where you want to go in life.
Mhmm. Because a lot of peopleand I think you told said this
to me before, but show up atwork every day, answer emails,
shuffle papers, go home, andthen say, wow, I put in a hard
day's work.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And that's really not hard work at all. And it's not
Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's busy work.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah. And it's not gonna get you to the goals that
you may have set. And theproblem with those people, for
the most part, people that areshowing up every day, answering
emails, and going home, and sothey worked hard. And I was one
of those people before. Mhmm.
They don't they aren't travelingtowards any working towards any
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type type of goal. Yeah.Exactly. And that's I'm kind of
getting long winded here and offthe
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Well, they're just on their kinda on a hamster wheel.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Path to where I was talking, but I'm developing
another thought of, like, youneed to have a clear goal set to
be able to even know what smartwork is.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah. I agree. I agree. You you mentioned
something. You said the wordefficiencies.
Right? So do you know where popquiz. Do you know where the term
work smarter or the phrase worksmarter, not harder came
Speaker 2 (08:23):
from, where
Speaker 1 (08:24):
it originated.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I'm I'm literally gonna Google that after this
episode go. I
Speaker 1 (08:27):
don't know where it originated either, so I'm sure.
Now I'm joking. I did theresearch. I did the research,
man. I'm I'm joking, man.
I'm
Speaker 2 (08:34):
joking. YouTube people would have come for me
like, Remember the episode whereI I didn't know The
Speaker 1 (08:40):
solar system? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I didn't know where Jupiter was. I got roasted.
Like, this fucking idiot notknowing what solar
Speaker 1 (08:45):
was Yeah. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And everybody else
Speaker 1 (08:47):
We got other we got other things to handle. The
solar system is the solarsystem. We got other things to
handle. No. Did the research.
So in the thirties, there was aan engineer, I believe an
industrial engineer, MorganStern, who had this work
simplification program. Right?And he coined the phrase, work
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smarter, not harder. Now, as Iunderstand it, this program that
he developed was basically to,like, clean up the mess of the,
like, industrial revolutionbecause that that was a mess to
a
Speaker 2 (09:24):
certain degree.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Right? So he was looking for efficiencies and to
build systems to create moreprogress based on what they
learned during the industrialrevolution. So Which is smart.
Which is smart and which isnecessary. It's just needed.
Like, there's a lot of, youknow, inefficient and unfair
practices probably during thattime. So it was needed and was
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necessary. So here we are now.So that was like nineteen
thirties. So here we are almosta century later, still using the
same phrase.
Yeah. Right? But in my eyes,bastardized. Yeah. I've never
ever I've never met well, Ican't Nine out of 10 times that
I've heard that phrase, it camefrom somebody that I don't wanna
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be like.
Mhmm. Whose work ethic I don'twanna emulate.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I think I think we've held on this, but the person I
related to is definitely someonethat the place I
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah. We don't. Yeah. We don't have to we don't have
to get into it, but youunderstand where I'm coming
from. Right?
Yeah. Like, most of the timewhen it's said, it's like
Speaker 2 (10:28):
It's almost lazy.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It is. Yeah. It's basically a joke about being
lazy.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It's it's basically like, yeah. It's it's basically
a joke about being lazy. It'slike, I'm lazy, and I'm gonna
rationalize it, and let's let'sjust do funny about it. Mhmm.
Now I'm not I'm not talking likemanual, like, manual hard labor.
Like, I've been there, man.Like, I've worked on a moving
truck. We had a rule, worksmarter, not harder, where,
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like, you know, if you go intothe house to ask the customer
something, you'll always comeout with something that has to
go on the truck. Like, nevercome out to the truck empty
handed. Like, when it comes tomanual labor, I understand.
So, like, don't worry
Speaker 2 (11:08):
about manual labor. I think, like, it does apply. Like
keep going.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It it applies. Yeah. It applies. I mean, you could
even make the argument that,like, okay. Well, if I come out
to the moving truck withoutanything in my hand, that means
I need to make more trips, whichis better for my physical
fitness.
Yeah. Like, you can make theargument. You know what I mean?
We're gonna take manual labor,like, out of the equation, and
we're gonna look at it in, like,maybe, like, the corporate
setting. Every time I've heardit, it's from somebody that I
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don't wanna be like, whose workethic, like, I do not Yeah.
Have respect for. You know whatI mean? So I'm actually here to
advocate for the opposite. Workharder, not smarter.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
How do you feel about that? I think I wanna flip it.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
No. I like I like it. I I support your initiative.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I'm gonna start I'm gonna be looking for signatures
in YouTube comments.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Because, like I said, working hard is working smart.
And a lot of the times whenpeople fall short is they don't
wanna do the hard work necessaryto get the to their goal.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
To their smarts. Yeah. So here's the thing.
Right? You said efficiencies.
One point that I wanna make. Ibelieve efficiencies are earned.
Right? So you have to do a %, a10%, a 20% of the work to find
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the smarts. Right?
Back in the day when people andI had, like, team members and,
like, employees that would say,oh, work smarter, not harder.
And I'm like, bro, you've done60% of your required work today.
You have no idea the work thatis the smart work.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Know what I'm saying? Like, you have to do a % of the
work Mhmm. Before you canrealize that. Like, they try to
and the really crafty ones werelike, well, you know, the Pareto
principle.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
And I'm like, I get that. Yeah. Like and and then
they break it down. If you don'tknow what the Pareto principle
is, an Italian Pareto, anItalian economist, I believe he
was. Back in the day, he noticedthat 80% of the wealth in Italy
was controlled by 20% of thepopulace.
He also noticed I think he hadfruit trees or some shit. He
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also noticed that, like, 80% ofhis fruit came from 20% of his
trees. Right? And if you look, Ithink it's is it Freakonomics?
Maybe the book Freakonomics?
If you look throughout society,the world, the Pareto principle
holds true. In business, youknow, 80% of your revenue comes
from 20% of your actions. Like,you know what I mean? The Pareto
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principle sounds true. So thereally crafty MFers would be
like, well, Pareto principle,work smarter, not harder.
Really, only 20% of what I doare the needle movers. Yeah. So
that's what I'm gonna do, justthe 20% because I'm working
harder. I'm working smarter.It's like you have to do a % of
the work Yeah.
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To find the 20%.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You know what I mean? And then guess what? After you
get smarter and you found that20%, more problems arise because
that's how life works.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And you gotta do a % of the again.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It's funny you just recall when you said, you have
to earn your efficiencies.Ambassador of ours, athlete of
ours, Dylan Royce, and I are inthe middle of a book that he
actually recommended on ourpodcast.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
The Red Rising series that we talked about.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yep. Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And in it, there's this character, Lysander, who is
the grandson of a, like, aformer sovereign sovereign or,
like, queen. Right? She was likethe the shit. Yeah. But it's
apparent it was, like, a bad itwas a bad woman.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Formal title. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
The shit. Well, she's dead now. Well, I might have
just spoiled it. Sorry. Soanyway
Speaker 1 (14:56):
This is, the moment we had on the Yeah. On the phone
yesterday.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Oh my god. So anyway, he's recalling her and, like,
all of the lessons he taughther. She taught him Mhmm. Coming
up, like, he always resorts tothe mind's eye, like, with his
third eye, like.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And just, like, basically, like, all of this
hard these hard challenges.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
She made him do. And he was doing this one particular
challenge, like, where he had,like, he was basically running
stairs barefoot. They were like,no, that's some crazy anyway,
some wild shit. And he saidsomething like, I can't do it or
something like and she's like,oh, you want to use
contractions? Now you thinkyou've earned contractions?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Oh, that is amazing.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
That is amazing. Basically slapped this shit out.
I don't know how you just recallmaybe recall that, but I was
like like, it's all it alsocould be looked at as like a
lazy way of speaking in.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Oh, that's amazing. That is amazing.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
So who are you thinking you have to earn? You
you have to use contractions.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I'm gonna
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I I am going to use that. Everybody's got something
to come come for which gets him.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Oh, I'm gonna use that.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah. Sorry. I really can't use contractions anymore.
Now I'm,
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Dylan recommended that book to me, so, like, some
time ago,
Speaker 2 (16:14):
but
Speaker 1 (16:14):
it's fiction. Right? Yeah. So he knows, like, I'm not
a big fiction reader, but he didrecommend it. Now I'm pissed I
didn't read it because it soundslike I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And that's one thing. Contraction. And I talk about
books I mean, I talk about booksa lot, but I particularly I
love, like, a personaldevelopment book, but it's
really nice to
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah. Give your mind a break.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
At night. Like, you know I mean? When you got a lot
put put in the work that day andyou get home and you're like,
dude, I can't wait get lost inthis story.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
But Yeah. So The games.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
To all the readers out there, I recommend pick up a
fiction book here and there toYeah. Like, let loose a little.
You know?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah. I mean, when you're in the games we're in,
it's like personal developmentall the time. You need a little
bit of a of a break. SometimesI'll watch, like, a, like, a
short, like, skit comedy thingor something just to give my
mind a break. You know
Speaker 2 (17:02):
what to. I mean, you can't, like pull from as
impossible to burn the candle atboth ends at all times.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah. I've tried. I've tried. I know.
Contractions.
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That being said, if you're if you are getting into
it, it's, seven books. Okay. Andsome of them are like 800
people.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
The few are committed, bro.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
The few
Speaker 1 (17:22):
are committed.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well, I'm saying for you.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah. Yeah. I'm committed. So I'm
Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's a commitment. Yeah. And I haven't read, and
we're getting way off tangenthere, but I think the No. It's
fine. It's like Yes.
A book this this good since,like, The Hunger Games or, like,
Harry Potter. Really? Do everread The Hunger Games?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
No. No. I've also haven't read Harry Potter. What?
Yeah.
I know. I know. I know.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Have you ever read any fiction books?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
When I was a kid, like, frigging hatchet. Flew to
the flies.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Hatchet. Dude, what a wild book.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I read that book. The Outsiders?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
There was I read all the all her I see him. No. I
read all the like, TheOutsiders, Rumble Fish. Yeah.
All those, like Yo.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Do you see they have an Outsiders, like, TV show or
Speaker 2 (18:12):
movie No. I'm sick, though. Yeah. Parties that watch
that shit.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Like a pony boy, dude. Stay golden.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah. Stay golden, bro. Dude, Hatchet, like, I read
that book in, like, seventhgrade or whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Great book, but I you just brought back, like,
memories.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Hatchet yeah. Hatchet is a great book,
Speaker 2 (18:27):
dude. Hatchet is a real one, dude.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It is. Hatchet is a real one. So if you haven't read
Hatchet, it's basically probablya fourth grade reading level.
Pick it up and
Speaker 2 (18:37):
read I'm being resourceful.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah. Yep. Yep. Hatchet. So to answer your
question, like, have readfiction, but not not recently.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Not recently at all?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
No. Not really. I mean, you could consider 12
pillars fiction because it is afictional story. That's a
Speaker 2 (18:52):
fictional slash personal development.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah. But that's how it gets close as I've gotten,
really, to be honest. Like, I'lleither read personal development
books or business books or booksthat are both. That's pretty
much it. But Damn.
I get it, though. Like, I I getit. I get it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I'll get I'll get for Christmas, I'll give you the the
Red Rising.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Red Rising. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah. I'm I'm curious what you think.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Do you have all how far are you in?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
We're Dylan and I are both about to finish the sick
the seventh one comes out inJanuary.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Oh, so that's why I was gonna ask you. Is this like
a new this is these books arestill being released.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah. Well, it's the last one.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Oh, it is?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah. This one coming out. But so it's pretty new.
Mhmm. But the and Dylan and werejust talking about this at
training on Tuesday, but I thinkthe reason him and I both enjoy
it so much Mhmm.
Is because it's the maincharacter is has, like, one goal
chasing something great. Mhmm.And we'll stop at nothing to
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achieve it. And we see a lot ofourselves in those characters.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Like, it reminds it reminds me of, the found you
read the Fountainhead? Mhmm.That's official. Right? Oh,
that's true.
Yeah. So I
Speaker 1 (20:02):
don't really consider, and see, that's the
weird thing about me, man. Like,I guess I have read some
fiction. I like, Anne Rand,like, I don't consider, like,
her stuff fiction. I know thatsounds weird, but I don't But
Speaker 2 (20:15):
that being said, I I was hooked on that book because
Mhmm. I felt
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I mean, that's
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I related to that main character.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Right. It's like life. Yeah. That's why people
watch certain movies. That's whythey join certain communities.
That's why they it's identity.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
That's why I hate movies because I
Speaker 1 (20:31):
relate to any of
Speaker 2 (20:31):
the characters. Amanda and Parker asked me to
watch a movie. I'm just like, Ihave literally no interest.
Mhmm. And I've also
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I like a good movie every once in
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I become so anti society that I think acting is,
like, almost weird. It is weirdto me. Like, you're literally
acting out a life of a differentperson.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
It's It's kinda it's kinda weird. I mean, it's art,
though. There's an art in it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And I do have a the hot take question. Is kissing a
romance in movies cheating forthe
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's acting.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Dude, that is crazy. So you're telling me if you
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Is this why I don't want is this why you don't watch
movies? Because you envisionAmanda making out with the dude?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
All I'm saying is Amanda was an actress Yeah. And
she was in a hot steamy make outsesh, a love love scene Yeah.
On, like Well, we've talked tofor work. Yeah. Like, that's
cheating, bro.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
We've we've talked about You're we've talked about
I wouldn't it doesn't bother
Speaker 2 (21:32):
me, dude. It doesn't bother Yeah. Dane.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I think Dane's in my camp.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
But you can go make out with another guy on camera?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's not like Car. Oh, jeez. Car. We're bringing
headphones. She does she wantsno parts to this.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
She does. She has a Well, you're cool are you cool
with it?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I can understand where you're job, and she was,
you know, she's act you know, agood actress.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So she could be a stripper then? Oh, it's her job,
though. It's work.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
We we got you and I went down the rabbit hole on
this. Like, do you remember?Like, it had to be, like, four
years ago. One day we went,like, all all
Speaker 2 (22:15):
the way
Speaker 1 (22:15):
down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah. I I'm not
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Just for the record, no one agrees with me. I've
asked a few people thisquestion.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
What does that what does that actress is, like, not
they're not, like, making out.They're not, like Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
But they're not, like, there's sometimes there's
like look, I don't know. I I I'mnot an actor, so I don't know.
But I thought that there were,like, rules. You know what I
mean?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Like, the actors They're definitely professional.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Like, no tongue. Exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I'm not arguing they're professional, but like
the moment Amanda smoochesanother man on the lips, I'm
like
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Amanda, no acting.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
You're acting career's over. Picture Melissa
smooched another guy on thelips.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I mean, if it was like, you know, if she was in,
like, Batman, it would be fine,dude.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Right, dude. And
for what? Christian Bale?
Christian Bale's a friggingfrigging I'm Batman. And then
he's like, Melissa MelissaThat's a pretty good Come here,
Melissa.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
That's a good
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I practice a lot myself. That's
Speaker 1 (23:13):
a pretty good
Speaker 2 (23:14):
used to I've spent a night with a Batman mask on.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
In one of your high takes
Speaker 2 (23:28):
during the Chris, I was like, Melissa, I love you.
And then they you're gonna beable to sleep next for that
night?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah. Because she's working, dude. Don't matter to
me. That's good. I'm not dude,look, I I'm I'm not a cover,
dude.
I don't you know what I mean?I'm just kinda like, look, if
that's your job, it's your job,dude. I I get it. I see it
clearly.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I respect it. I mean, just get your comments. Let us
know. Does anyone agree with me?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I don't know. We haven't we haven't found anybody
yet, dude.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So In the YouTube comments and the shorts comp,
please let me know if you agreewith what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
You do raise an interesting point with, like,
acting, though. I never thoughtabout that. I can see if you
don't relate to any storylinesin movies, why it would be super
weird. But I do feel like ifyou're watching a film and you
can really relate to, like, thatstoryline or that character,
that there's, like, there'spower in it.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah. It's like
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
We just watched the Christmas story A Christmas
Story with Parker. Mhmm. And Iwas like, wow. When I was a kid,
I really loved this movie.They're like, I'll
Speaker 1 (24:29):
shoot your eye out thing?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah. Now I'm watching them. Like, they're
kind of living, like, a supermiserable life. The dads
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Like, wait. I would I I was watching them. Like, this
is terrible.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah. But, I mean, also times have changed too.
Like, I don't know if yeah. Idon't yeah. Yeah.
No. I get it. I get it. And I dohave a hard time.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Wants to get party to watch Home Alone now, and I'm
like
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I do have a hard time generally, and I think this is
everybody that's, like, in inour space. We we've talked about
this before. Like, have a hardtime with, like, normal stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah. See?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Like, I have a hard time. Like, I can't listen to
the radio. Like, the radio? Ican't listen to
Speaker 2 (25:08):
that radio.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Is the radio even a thing? Like, who listens to
radio? You know, if my
Speaker 2 (25:12):
With podcasts and Spotify In my
Speaker 1 (25:14):
in my Jeep, I'm gonna I'm coming I'm coming for Jeep.
In my Jeep, like my CarPlaykeeps cutting out. So, like,
sometimes I put the radio on. Ican't listen to the radio. Like,
I can't.
Like, there's just certainthings I can't relate to because
everything that goes in, I putthrough a filter. And I do the
same thing sometimes when I'mwatching TV. I'm like, I can't
(25:35):
watch this freaking show. Like,I can't this like, I can almost
feel the energy. And I'm like,even though it's acting, I'm
like, I don't want this in mylife.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So I understand where you're where you're coming from.
I do. But the actors are workinghard.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah. They are.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
They're working harder, not smarter. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Working hard, dream chasing. Yeah. Of course.
They're doing it all.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Of course. Of course.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Respect that to their work.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Just don't make out of people.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah. I'm just It's funny. Wanna be one. That's
funny. That's funny.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So what you know, when it comes to I think you you
you alluded to this. Like,you've heard this work smarter,
not harder. You kinda feel thesame way I do. Yeah. I wanted to
make I wanted to make, like, tworeally key points during this.
The first one, I'm all forefficiency and systems and
everything, but that's earned.You know? And even, like, when
(26:25):
you think about it, we talkabout time collapsing a lot,
right? When we do coaching orwhatever, like learn from my
mistakes so you don't have tomake them. That doesn't mean
you're mistake free, like, be amentor of ours, right, has
helped us.
He didn't come down from themountain and say, like, here's
the strategy, and then we justdid it and everything worked.
Yeah. You know? He didn't say,like He actually I'm gonna
(26:45):
install the smarts. You know
Speaker 2 (26:47):
what mean? He said, here's the strategy, and then we
didn't. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And then we didn't
Speaker 2 (26:53):
listen, and
Speaker 1 (26:53):
then we did listen,
Speaker 2 (26:54):
and then we the hard way.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
And we learned the hard way. So like, even when it
comes to like that, it's like,you know, you still have to work
hard. Even when somebody givesyou the smarts, there's still
other stuff. You still have todo a % of the work. Yeah.
You know? So, like, that there'sthe two points I really wanted
to make that your efficienciesare earned. Right? And then the
second point is, don't come atme with the Pareto principle
(27:18):
because you'll never know whatthat 20% is unless you do a % of
the work. I'd argue many of thetimes you have to do a 20% of
the work Mhmm.
To find the 20%.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You know what I
Speaker 2 (27:30):
mean? I you ever hear the phrase, like, shovel dirt?
It's like everybody wants to
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Eat a fuel, honk?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah. Everybody wants to essentially dig a hole, but
no one wants to shovel the dirt.You know what mean? Every day, I
shovel dirt shovel dirt. Yeah.
Yeah. It's like or I talkedabout Danny made that take out
take out the trash. Mhmm.Whereas it's almost like you
gotta find a balance in the twoof, like, taking the trash out
(27:59):
one piece at a time and also ina bag while also, like, while
also taking out the trash. Youknow what I mean?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Oh, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
There's there's hard work and smart work. And in my
opinion, the work that is goingto move the needle the most for
you is the smart work at thetime. So that that needle moving
work may be not a very efficienttask. Yep. But that is the smart
(28:32):
work that needs to be done toget there.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yep. Yep.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah. What I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I get it. And I I'm not hating
on smart work.
Like, that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
My beef is people that think they know the smart
work without doing a % of thework. Yeah. You know what I
mean? Yeah. Because even we werehaving this conversation with B
recently on one of our l tens.
Remember he said sometimessuccesses and inefficiencies?
Yeah. Like, brilliance. I'mlike, yeah. I'm like, exactly.
(29:01):
Exactly right. You know what Imean? Like, we're so important
to build systems and processes,right, so that you get abducted
by aliens and you know what Imean? Parker can pick it up or
Everly can pick it up and do it.But at the same time, you
sometimes have to do just thegritty grunt work, right, to
find to find the strategy andthe success.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
And that's the a lot of the times, I think, people
wanna come to us. They wannastart businesses or, like, teach
me this. Like, can you help mewith that? And I just know from
meeting them if they have it.Right?
If they have Mhmm. Thewillingness to do whatever it
takes and do the like, because alot 95 per I I was talking to my
(29:45):
friend Vin about this the otherday. Our lives look like, the
brand looks sexy. Right? But thework we do
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Completely anti.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Sexy at all. And it's like like, you want a behind the
scenes, but a lot of times it'sus sitting in our laptops just
doing shit we don't wanna dohalf the time.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
You know what I mean? Like Yep. The behind the scenes
isn't as glamorous as it maylook on Instagram. It's, like,
late nights. It's freaking earlymornings.
It's
Speaker 1 (30:11):
doing More problems and solutions.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah. Doing doing percent of the tasks you you
want to do as an entrepreneurare, like, you think you're
going to do when you sign up tobe an entrepreneur
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Aren't the tasks you're gonna be doing.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
They're gonna be tasks that you feel like,
realistically, aren't worth yourtime. Right? Like, you're like,
I should be doing something
Speaker 1 (30:31):
The unsexy stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah. I should be doing something else to achieve
my goals of being anentrepreneur. But actually, it's
the Yep. The unsexy stuff that'sgonna move the needle. Yeah.
Yeah. It's the it's shovelingthe dirt.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah. Yep. Yep. Absolutely, man. Absolutely.
Yeah. I mean, there's so muchout there now to when you talk
about entrepreneurship and even,you know, on social media,
everybody's got, you know, theplaybook for you.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
But the the reality is and there's truth in the
playbook, right, that they'retrying to pedal.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
But you have to apply that playbook to your own
circumstances, and many times,that requires a lot of trial and
error. It's not like a lick itand stick it type
Speaker 2 (31:17):
of thing.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
You know what I mean? That's why having a a mentor,
someone that's going to be withyou as you go through the
iterations, that's critical.Like, that's super, super
valuable, having a coach or amentor. The program, though,
Speaker 2 (31:33):
sometimes can someone you can bounce things off of and
get Yeah. Yeah. Course. From.Like, someone that's been there
have done it before.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah. Of course. Of course. But the program and the
course, you know, there's a lotof programs and a lot of courses
bought, and not a lot comes fromit. You know what I'm saying?
It's like
Speaker 2 (31:51):
It's interesting now. Everybody has a everyone has a a
course or a playbook. I don'tsee a lot of people making
making plays. You know I mean?Yeah.
Yeah. Everyone you see onInstagram is a a coach or
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah. It's pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Like an influencer, and it's like buy my course. And
it's like your course on what?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty wild, man.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That being said, on the creating efficiencies, I
find that a very flooded marketfor those efficiency creations.
And I wonder if you'll agreewith me on this. The business
and particularly ecommercespace, the amount of
applications that are availableto create this, do that, do
(32:33):
that, do this. Like, Jesse sentus a new app every day.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah. And I'm like, dude, like, most of my works are
on my notes app. Like, you knowwhat mean? Like, everything.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
But there is so many options. Oh,
Speaker 1 (32:43):
there's so many.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Bro, I can't
Speaker 1 (32:45):
even my head Listen. That's why I'm I'm making a
stand here, and I'm saying,like, we're as smart as we need
to be. Yeah. It's time to workharder, not smarter. Like, we're
as smart as we need to be.
We're smarter than we've everbeen as a society. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
We're good.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
And where are we at now? Yeah. We're we're softer
than we've ever been That's
Speaker 2 (33:02):
so true, dude.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
You know mean?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Plenty of working smart. We work too smart at
Speaker 1 (33:06):
this point.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
We're plenty of smart as far as to the AI
conversation. Like, that's,like, the ultimate smart work.
And I mean, I'm not, like
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It's a tool, man. The problem is, like, people people
it's the same people that aresaying, work smarter, not
harder, that are gonna ruin it.That are gonna ruin it. Because
instead of using it to do a % ofthe work more efficiently Yeah.
They're using it to do way lesswork.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Way less work.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Way less work. Way, way, way, way less work. That's
why, Chris, friend of thecommunity, coach of mine when it
comes to copywriting,Orzikowski, email copywriter dot
com. Great dude. If you're intocopywriting and email marketing
and stuff.
He said, when this whole AIthing came out, like, the
copywriting world was like, ohmy god. Like, we're all dead.
(33:53):
And he was like, you're right ifyou're a shitty copywriter. You
know what I mean? Like, ofcourse, the machine's gonna take
you out.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Copy that you get in AI isn't always That's
Speaker 1 (34:00):
what I'm saying. Dude, of course, you're gonna
get if if you're a shittycopywriter, yeah, your life's
over. Because you're
Speaker 2 (34:05):
because you're lazy. If it matches your level of
copywriting. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yes. Because, more than likely, you were doing lazy
work anyway.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
You were not doing a % of
Speaker 2 (34:15):
the work. Exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You know? So I think maybe maybe the work harder
hoodie needs to make a return.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I agree. I mean, definitely needs to be revamped.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You think it should be do you think it should say
work harder, not smarter?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
No. You don't think so? I just don't think that'd be
sexy enough to say.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Make a compelling enough argument?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I'm with the argument. I just don't know if
that could be packaged up into asexy enough good go ahead to
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I can work with Vince, man. We could do some
things.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I don't know. Don't know if it moves my
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah. It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
My emotional needle too much Yeah. Enough.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Or I was gonna use an inappropriate analogy that
Brianna uses, but I won't.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah. Well, it'll make a return maybe with not
without not smarter, but it'llmake a return.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I think
Speaker 1 (35:06):
it should make a return.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
We had two point o too. Remember that?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Oh, we did. Yeah. We did bring it
Speaker 2 (35:11):
back once. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah. That was nice. That was nice. That was a I
think it was a black hoodie,though. Yeah.
That's when we started gettinginto our dark phase. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
When we just did all black everything.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Which we do now still to the most for the most part.
It's timeless, bro.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
It's timeless. Well, the community tells us
themselves. Like, we releasedboth, and they picked the
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Black. Black,
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I mean, you know, protective color as your friend.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Well, I didn't realize Madison Yeah. Madison is
that. I thought it was alldepressing, but it's actually
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah. It's protected. Protective color. Protection.
Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, well, this was funchopping it up. You got a
lightning round for me today?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
No. No. No.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Round. No. Lightning round. It was. We touched on a
lot of different things.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Well, I I I'm nervous for the amount of roasting
that's gonna go. I was like,
Speaker 1 (36:10):
get I'm used to it. You got thick skin. Right?
You're good. Right?
You're good. You're good.Alright, man. Anything else
going on you wanna you wannatouch on? We got I
Speaker 2 (36:22):
when I was thinking of podcast ideas, I do my
brainstorming Mhmm. I was gonnado one where we weigh in on
current events, so look forwardto that in the future.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh, jeez.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Like, there are different things going on in the
world and society where we justOh, jeez. I'll bring them to the
table. Maybe they can pop themup on the YouTube screen for
people.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
And Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
We would just weigh in on our thoughts.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I mean, I'm up for it. I feel like you want to talk
about getting roasted. I thinkwe're gonna we'll probably get
roasted.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
But my thought my theory is, like, we've made
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Not roasted by the community. Roasted by, like, the
random Yeah. The haters. Yeah.The haters.
And but we Can't have hatewithout love.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Exactly. And we've made it we've made our way being
the anti society and the and
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I mean, that's where we are.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Going against the grain and and what's not in the
society, but We've been thebeing a counter movement
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
As we say. And that is how I think we'll get to a
million hard workers worldwide.So, I mean, I'm definitely not
afraid.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
No. No. Yeah. I'm not not afraid at all. We've done
pretty good with not getting,like, banned or having our
content taken down.
We have had some we have hadsome Instagram posts get taken
down, which blows my mind.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
You know, you post something about, like, you know,
burning the boats or something.Yeah. And then we get Instagram
comes and slaps us and says itincites violence or whatever.
Meanwhile, like, violence is avirtue. Well, even with violence
is a virtue, we got, you know,we get hammered with that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
But Our first experience was the getting fact
checked.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah. We got fact checked.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
On Yeah. Crows.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Crows. Crows and eagles.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Fucking weird bro. Viral post.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Weird bro. Where I was going with that was be
prepared because if we're gonnastart addressing current events
and how the few feel about saidevents, they're definitely gonna
come for us. Yeah. Maybe it'stime.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Maybe it's time. Alright. Well, if you got value
from this episode, which it'squestionable because of where
Drew took us, I don't know. It'squestionable.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Please leave us answers on the, is it cheating?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But if you got value from this episode, share with a
hard worker. We'll share anotherone if this one was too weird
for you now. By by all means,though, share it with a hard
worker.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Please do.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
And I'll leave, I'll leave the few with a reminder.
Always choose hard work overhandouts. Always choose effort
over entitlement. Remember, noone owns you. No one owes you.
You're one of the few. Now let'shunt.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
What, baby? Hey.
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